Q4 2025 Ascent Industries Co Earnings Call

Operator: Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Ascent Industries Co. Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Bryan Kitchen.

Speaker #2: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Ascent Industries Co Q1, 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

Speaker #2: Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, please press *11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.

Speaker #2: To withdraw your question, please press *11 again. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ryan Kitchen.

Bryan Kitchen: Thanks, Josh, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we continue, I would like to remind all participants that the discussion today may contain certain forward-looking statements pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the federal securities laws. These statements are based on information currently available to us and are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Ascent advises all those listening to this call to review the latest 10-Q and 10-K posted on its website for a summary of these risks and uncertainties. Ascent does not undertake the responsibility to update any forward-looking statements. The discussion today may include non-GAAP measures. In accordance with Regulation G, the company has reconciled these amounts back to the closest GAAP-based measurement.

Bryan Kitchen: Thanks, Josh, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we continue, I would like to remind all participants that the discussion today may contain certain forward-looking statements pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the federal securities laws. These statements are based on information currently available to us and are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Ascent advises all those listening to this call to review the latest 10-Q and 10-K posted on its website for a summary of these risks and uncertainties. Ascent does not undertake the responsibility to update any forward-looking statements. The discussion today may include non-GAAP measures. In accordance with Regulation G, the company has reconciled these amounts back to the closest GAAP-based measurement.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Josh, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we continue, I would like to remind all participants that the discussion today may contain certain forward-looking statements pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of the Federal Securities Laws.

Speaker #3: These statements are based on information currently available to us and are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.

Speaker #3: Ascent advises all those listening to this call to review the latest 10-Q and 10-K posted on its website for a summary of these risks and uncertainties.

Speaker #3: Ascent does not undertake the responsibility to update any forward-looking statements. Further, the discussion today may include non-GAAP measures. In accordance with Regulation G, the company is reconciled these amounts back to the closest GAAP-based measurement.

Speaker #3: The reconciliations can be found in the earnings press release, issued earlier today, and posted on the investors' section of the company's website at www.ascentco.com.

Bryan Kitchen: The reconciliations can be found in the earnings press release issued earlier today and posted on the investor section of the company's website at www.ascentco.com. Please note that this call is available for replay via our webcast link that is also posted on the investor section of the company's website. Now with that, let's talk about the business. We exited 2025 as a pure-play specialty chemical company and a structurally stronger business. Gross margin expanded nearly 1,000 basis points. Gross profit increased 61%. Adjusted EBITDA improved by more than $4 million year-over-year, despite operating on approximately 7% lower revenue. We delivered these results while fully exiting our legacy tubular segment. That is not cyclical recovery. That is structural improvement. The business we are building has a higher earnings power, and we are still in the early stages of unlocking it.

Bryan Kitchen: The reconciliations can be found in the earnings press release issued earlier today and posted on the investor section of the company's website at www.ascentco.com. Please note that this call is available for replay via our webcast link that is also posted on the investor section of the company's website. Now with that, let's talk about the business. We exited 2025 as a pure-play specialty chemical company and a structurally stronger business. Gross margin expanded nearly 1,000 basis points. Gross profit increased 61%. Adjusted EBITDA improved by more than $4 million year-over-year, despite operating on approximately 7% lower revenue. We delivered these results while fully exiting our legacy tubular segment. That is not cyclical recovery. That is structural improvement. The business we are building has a higher earnings power, and we are still in the early stages of unlocking it.

Speaker #3: Please note that this call is available for replay via our webcast link, which is also posted in the Investors section of the company's website.

Speaker #3: Now, with that, let's talk about the business. We exited 2025 as a pure-play specialty chemical company and a structurally stronger business. Gross margin expanded nearly 1,000 basis points.

Speaker #3: Gross profit increased 61%, adjusted EBITDA improved by more than $4 million year over year, despite operating on approximately 7% lower revenue. And we delivered these results while fully exiting our legacy tubular segment.

Speaker #3: That is not cyclical recovery; that is structural improvement.

Speaker #2: The business we are building has a higher earnings power, and we are still in the early stages of unlocking it.

Speaker #3: Fourth quarter results reflected continued end-market softness and unfavorable mix. Which pressured absorption and led to sequential moderation in margin and adjusted EBITDA. While the quarter did not extend the momentum of Q2 and Q3, it does not alter the trajectory of our business.

Bryan Kitchen: Q4 results reflected continued end market softness and unfavorable mix, which pressured absorption and led to sequential moderation in margin and adjusted EBITDA. While the quarter did not extend the momentum of Q2 and Q3, it does not alter the trajectory of our business. Importantly, we did not chase volume to protect optics. We protected margin integrity. We are reshaping our book of business towards higher margin, lower volatility revenue. That transition can create short-term variability, but the earnings foundation today is materially stronger and more durable than what it was 12 months ago. Against that backdrop, the Q4 was defined by several tangible advances that reinforce our structural progress. We permanently exited Munhall, eliminating a legacy drag that will contribute approximately $2.1 million of run rate improvement in 2026.

Bryan Kitchen: Q4 results reflected continued end market softness and unfavorable mix, which pressured absorption and led to sequential moderation in margin and adjusted EBITDA. While the quarter did not extend the momentum of Q2 and Q3, it does not alter the trajectory of our business. Importantly, we did not chase volume to protect optics. We protected margin integrity. We are reshaping our book of business towards higher margin, lower volatility revenue. That transition can create short-term variability, but the earnings foundation today is materially stronger and more durable than what it was 12 months ago. Against that backdrop, the Q4 was defined by several tangible advances that reinforce our structural progress. We permanently exited Munhall, eliminating a legacy drag that will contribute approximately $2.1 million of run rate improvement in 2026.

Speaker #3: Importantly, we did not chase volume to protect optics. We protected margin integrity. We are reshaping our book of business towards higher-margin, lower-volatility revenue.

Speaker #3: That transition can create short-term variability, but the earnings foundation today is materially stronger and more durable than what it was 12 months ago. Against that backdrop, the fourth quarter was defined by several tangible advances that reinforced our structural progress.

Speaker #3: We permanently exited the month haul, eliminating a legacy drag that will contribute to approximately $2.1 million of run rate improvement in 2026. We secured a significant new commercial program expected to generate more than $10 million of incremental annualized revenue that will improve operating leverage across two of our manufacturing sites.

Bryan Kitchen: We secured a significant new commercial program expected to generate more than $10 million of incremental annualized revenue that will improve operating leverage across two of our manufacturing sites. Our pipeline conversion reached 25% in Q4. We won 38 projects across 23 customers with an average sales cycle of 2.9 months. These wins generated commitments of $9.4 million of annualized revenue. Approximately $7.1 came from new customer program, and $2.3 came from additional wins carrying margins in excess of 40%. The majority of these wins came from existing customers, reinforcing strong runway with share of wallet expansion. Product sales represented 47% of the wins, with custom manufacturing contributing the balance. In Q4, we added a record $43.4 million of new selling projects and sunsetted $40.8 million.

Bryan Kitchen: We secured a significant new commercial program expected to generate more than $10 million of incremental annualized revenue that will improve operating leverage across two of our manufacturing sites. Our pipeline conversion reached 25% in Q4. We won 38 projects across 23 customers with an average sales cycle of 2.9 months. These wins generated commitments of $9.4 million of annualized revenue. Approximately $7.1 came from new customer program, and $2.3 came from additional wins carrying margins in excess of 40%. The majority of these wins came from existing customers, reinforcing strong runway with share of wallet expansion. Product sales represented 47% of the wins, with custom manufacturing contributing the balance. In Q4, we added a record $43.4 million of new selling projects and sunsetted $40.8 million.

Speaker #2: Our pipeline conversion reached 25% in Q4. We won 38 projects across 23 customers with an average sales cycle of $2.9 months. These wins generated commitments of $9.4 million of annualized revenue.

Speaker #2: Approximately $7.1 million came from the new customer program, and $2.3 million came from additional wins carrying margins in excess of 40%. The majority of these wins came from existing customers.

Speaker #2: Reinforcing strong runway with share of wallet expansion. Product sales represented 47% of the wins, with custom manufacturing contributing the balance.

Speaker #3: In the fourth quarter, we added a record $43.4 million of new selling projects and sunsetted $40.8 million. Of the projects that we removed, some reflected continued demand softness, while others were opportunities we chose not to pursue because they did not meet our return threshold.

Bryan Kitchen: Of the projects that we removed, some reflected continued demand softness, while others were opportunities we chose not to pursue because they did not meet our return thresholds. Finally, in December, we modernized the demand engine. Website traffic increased 218%, and contact submissions rose 122% within weeks of repositioning our digital strategy. These advances were achieved while removing more than $5 million of labor, overhead, and other costs as compared to 2024, more than offsetting targeted reinvestment. We are strengthening the business while lowering the structural cost base. What underpins this progress and gives it durability is a deliberate upgrade of our operating platform across marketing, sales, R&D, and operations. These were not defensive moves. They were intentional investments in people, processes, tools, and capabilities designed to improve coordination, discipline, and earnings quality.

Bryan Kitchen: Of the projects that we removed, some reflected continued demand softness, while others were opportunities we chose not to pursue because they did not meet our return thresholds. Finally, in December, we modernized the demand engine. Website traffic increased 218%, and contact submissions rose 122% within weeks of repositioning our digital strategy. These advances were achieved while removing more than $5 million of labor, overhead, and other costs as compared to 2024, more than offsetting targeted reinvestment. We are strengthening the business while lowering the structural cost base. What underpins this progress and gives it durability is a deliberate upgrade of our operating platform across marketing, sales, R&D, and operations. These were not defensive moves. They were intentional investments in people, processes, tools, and capabilities designed to improve coordination, discipline, and earnings quality.

Speaker #3: Finally, in December, we modernized the demand engine. Website traffic increased 218% and contact submissions rose 122% within a week of repositioning our digital strategy.

Speaker #3: These advances were achieved while removing more than $5 million of labor, overhead, and other costs as compared to 2024. More than offsetting targeted reinvestment.

Speaker #3: We are strengthening the business while lowering the structural cost base. What underpins this progress and gives it durability is a deliberate upgrade of our operating platform across marketing, sales, R&D, and operations.

Speaker #3: These were not defensive moves. They were intentional investments in people, processes, tools, and capabilities designed to improve coordination, discipline, and earnings quality. In marketing, we built and scaled measurable demand engines that did not exist two years ago.

Bryan Kitchen: In marketing, we built and scaled measurable demand engine that did not exist two years ago. This function is tightly integrated with both sales and R&D, generating qualified opportunities and strengthening our authority in priority chemistries and markets. In 2025, marketing delivered a return on investment well in excess of 100% across trade shows, digital demand, and inside sales campaigns. That engine is translating into commercial momentum. In sales, resources are directed towards customers and programs that meet defined return thresholds and generate durable earnings. We are not managing for pipeline optics. We are managing for margin, cash generation, and long-term retention. Through structured account planning and executive engagement, we are embedding our solutions into customer formulations and validated workflows, increasing defensibility as integration deepens. R&D has become a growth catalyst.

Bryan Kitchen: In marketing, we built and scaled measurable demand engine that did not exist two years ago. This function is tightly integrated with both sales and R&D, generating qualified opportunities and strengthening our authority in priority chemistries and markets. In 2025, marketing delivered a return on investment well in excess of 100% across trade shows, digital demand, and inside sales campaigns. That engine is translating into commercial momentum. In sales, resources are directed towards customers and programs that meet defined return thresholds and generate durable earnings. We are not managing for pipeline optics. We are managing for margin, cash generation, and long-term retention. Through structured account planning and executive engagement, we are embedding our solutions into customer formulations and validated workflows, increasing defensibility as integration deepens. R&D has become a growth catalyst.

Speaker #3: Dysfunction is tightly integrated with both sales and R&D. Generating qualified opportunities and strengthening our authority and priority chemistries in markets. In 2025, marketing delivered a return on investment well in excess of 100% across trade shows, digital demand, and inside sales campaigns.

Speaker #3: And that engine is translating into commercial momentum. In sales, resources are directed towards customers and programs that meet defined return thresholds and generate durable earnings.

Speaker #3: We are not managing for pipeline optics. We are managing for margin, cash generation, and long-term retention. Through structured account planning and executive engagement, we are embedding our solutions in the customer formulations and validated workflows, increasing defensibility as integration deepens.

Speaker #3: R&D has become a growth catalyst. Approximately 95% of our fourth quarter wins were driven by or enabled by R&D efforts, including formulation development, process optimization, and scale-up support. That depth is elevating conversion quality.

Bryan Kitchen: Approximately 95% of our Q4 wins were driven by or enabled by R&D efforts, including formulation development, process optimization, scale-up support, and that depth is elevating conversion quality, strengthening our margins, and shortening our sales cycle times. In operations, we prioritize leverage over expansion. Rather than adding fixed costs, we revitalize existing assets and debottleneck capacity. Guided by a disciplined return on investment mindset, we deployed approximately $435,000 to bring idle equipment back online, capability that would have required more than $3.7 million of new investment. This improves asset utilization and expands capability without increasing structural overhead. What gives us confidence in this next phase is the operating discipline now embedded across the organization. Quality, service, reliability across our asset base have never been stronger. Teams are increasing uptime, driving out waste, and executing with appropriate urgency.

Bryan Kitchen: Approximately 95% of our Q4 wins were driven by or enabled by R&D efforts, including formulation development, process optimization, scale-up support, and that depth is elevating conversion quality, strengthening our margins, and shortening our sales cycle times. In operations, we prioritize leverage over expansion. Rather than adding fixed costs, we revitalize existing assets and debottleneck capacity. Guided by a disciplined return on investment mindset, we deployed approximately $435,000 to bring idle equipment back online, capability that would have required more than $3.7 million of new investment. This improves asset utilization and expands capability without increasing structural overhead. What gives us confidence in this next phase is the operating discipline now embedded across the organization. Quality, service, reliability across our asset base have never been stronger. Teams are increasing uptime, driving out waste, and executing with appropriate urgency.

Speaker #3: Strengthening our margins and shortening our sales cycle times. In operations, we prioritize leverage over expansion. Rather than adding fixed costs, we revitalize existing assets and debottleneck capacity.

Speaker #3: Guided by a disciplined return on investment mindset, we deployed approximately $435,000 to bring idle equipment back online. Capability that would have required more than $3.7 million of new investment.

Speaker #3: This improves asset utilization and expands capability without increasing structural overhead. What gives us confidence in this next phase is the operating discipline now embedded across the organization.

Speaker #3: Quality, service, reliability across our asset base have never been stronger. Teams are increasing uptime driving out waste and executing with appropriate urgency. And that execution is the backbone of our margin expansion story.

Bryan Kitchen: That execution is the backbone of our margin expansion story. It enables us to grow efficiently, protect profitability, and deliver for customers in any environment. Every investment we make in people, processes, or technology is deliberate and return driven. We are doing this from a position of financial strength. We ended the year with significant liquidity, no debt, and a clean balance sheet. That's after buying back approximately 7% of our outstanding shares. Our strong balance sheet gives us resilience in soft demand environment and flexibility to continue investing in high return opportunities. Stepping back as I reflect on 2025, I'm proud of what the team has delivered. We improved margins and earnings in a difficult market while reshaping the portfolio and reinforcing the foundation of the business. That doesn't happen by accident. It reflects ownership, accountability, and disciplined execution across the organization.

Bryan Kitchen: That execution is the backbone of our margin expansion story. It enables us to grow efficiently, protect profitability, and deliver for customers in any environment. Every investment we make in people, processes, or technology is deliberate and return driven. We are doing this from a position of financial strength. We ended the year with significant liquidity, no debt, and a clean balance sheet. That's after buying back approximately 7% of our outstanding shares. Our strong balance sheet gives us resilience in soft demand environment and flexibility to continue investing in high return opportunities. Stepping back as I reflect on 2025, I'm proud of what the team has delivered. We improved margins and earnings in a difficult market while reshaping the portfolio and reinforcing the foundation of the business. That doesn't happen by accident. It reflects ownership, accountability, and disciplined execution across the organization.

Speaker #3: It enables us to grow efficiently, protect profitability, and deliver for customers in any environment. Every investment we make and people, processes, or technology is deliberate.

Speaker #3: And return-driven. And we are doing this from a position of financial strength. We ended the year with significant liquidity, no debt, and a clean balance sheet.

Speaker #3: And that's after buying back a approximately 7% of our outstanding shares. Our strong balance sheet gives us resilience and soft demand environment and flexibility to continue investing in high-return opportunities.

Speaker #3: Stepping back, as I reflect on 2025, I'm proud of what the team has delivered. We improved margins and earnings in a difficult market while reshaping the portfolio and reinforcing the foundation of the business.

Speaker #3: And that doesn't happen by accident. It reflects ownership, accountability, and disciplined execution across the organization. As we look ahead, our priorities are clear: deepening customer partnerships through innovation, reliability, and speed.

Bryan Kitchen: As we look ahead, our priorities are clear. Deepen customer partnerships through innovation, reliability, and speed. Fill available capacity with high-margin organic growth. Preserve balance sheet strengths and allocate capital with discipline. We are not waiting on the market to recover. The market didn't do it to us, and the market's not gonna fix it for us. We are building a stronger company regardless of the cycle and positioning it to compound. Our company looks very different today than when we began this journey two short years ago. It is stronger, more disciplined, and built for durability. To the entire Ascent team, thank you. You are our unfair advantage. With that, I'll turn it over to Ryan to walk through the financials in more detail. Ryan?

Bryan Kitchen: As we look ahead, our priorities are clear. Deepen customer partnerships through innovation, reliability, and speed. Fill available capacity with high-margin organic growth. Preserve balance sheet strengths and allocate capital with discipline. We are not waiting on the market to recover. The market didn't do it to us, and the market's not gonna fix it for us. We are building a stronger company regardless of the cycle and positioning it to compound. Our company looks very different today than when we began this journey two short years ago. It is stronger, more disciplined, and built for durability. To the entire Ascent team, thank you. You are our unfair advantage. With that, I'll turn it over to Ryan to walk through the financials in more detail. Ryan?

Speaker #3: Fill available capacity with high-margin organic growth, and preserve balance sheet strengths and allocate capital with discipline. We are not waiting on the market to recover.

Speaker #3: The market didn't do it to us, and the market's not going to fix it for us. We are building a stronger company regardless of the cycle and positioning it to compound.

Speaker #3: Our company looks very different today than when we began this journey two short years ago. It is stronger, more disciplined, and built for durability.

Speaker #3: To the entire Ascent team, thank you. You are our unfair advantage. And with that, I'll turn it over to Ryan to walk through the financials in more detail.

Speaker #3: Ryan?

Speaker #2: Thanks, Ryan. And good afternoon, everyone. Starting with net revenue, the key takeaway for the quarter is that we delivered year-over-year growth despite an uneven demand environment.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): Thanks, Bryan. Good afternoon, everyone. Starting with net revenue, the key takeaway for the Q is that we delivered year-over-year growth despite an uneven demand environment. Net sales increased 4%, supported by a 6% lift in shipments as several higher throughput programs ramped. As expected, that benefit came with a mix shift. Incremental pounds skewed toward lower price, lower margin wins, which compressed spreads on a consolidated basis. Turning to the full year, net sales declined 7.2% as a 17.7% contraction in demand more than offset 10.9% in pricing action. In that context, we remain disciplined on value and continue to sharpen mix and execution, positioning the book to participate as volumes normalize.

Ryan Kavalauskas: Thanks, Bryan. Good afternoon, everyone. Starting with net revenue, the key takeaway for the Q is that we delivered year-over-year growth despite an uneven demand environment. Net sales increased 4%, supported by a 6% lift in shipments as several higher throughput programs ramped. As expected, that benefit came with a mix shift. Incremental pounds skewed toward lower price, lower margin wins, which compressed spreads on a consolidated basis. Turning to the full year, net sales declined 7.2% as a 17.7% contraction in demand more than offset 10.9% in pricing action. In that context, we remain disciplined on value and continue to sharpen mix and execution, positioning the book to participate as volumes normalize.

Speaker #2: Net sales increased 4%, supported by a 6% lift in shipments as several higher-throughput programs ramped. As expected, that benefit came with a mixed shift.

Speaker #2: Incremental pounds skewed toward lower price, lower margin wins, which compressed spreads on a consolidated basis. Turning to the full year, net sales declined 7.2% as a 17.7% contraction in demand more than offset 10.9% in pricing actions.

Speaker #2: In that context, we remain disciplined on value and continue to sharpen mix and execution, positioning the book to participate as volumes normalize. From a profitability standpoint in the quarter, while mix and the broader cycle remained uneven, gross profit was essentially flat year over year, down less than 50,000.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): From a profitability standpoint in the quarter, while mix in the broader cycle remained uneven, gross profit was essentially flat year-over-year, down less than $50,000, and gross margin declined by approximately 90 basis points. Holding margin movement to that level, given the spread compression and demand variability, is a solid outcome, and it reinforces that we're scaling throughput without compromising the earnings profile we're building. Stepping back to the full year, gross profit increased by $6.5 million, and gross margin expanded by nearly 1,000 basis points, driven by a 2.5% improvement in material profit as our sourcing initiatives, product line management, and operating execution took hold across the portfolio. Moving to SG&A, expenses were $6.5 million, compared to $5.4 million in the prior year period.

Ryan Kavalauskas: From a profitability standpoint in the quarter, while mix in the broader cycle remained uneven, gross profit was essentially flat year-over-year, down less than $50,000, and gross margin declined by approximately 90 basis points. Holding margin movement to that level, given the spread compression and demand variability, is a solid outcome, and it reinforces that we're scaling throughput without compromising the earnings profile we're building. Stepping back to the full year, gross profit increased by $6.5 million, and gross margin expanded by nearly 1,000 basis points, driven by a 2.5% improvement in material profit as our sourcing initiatives, product line management, and operating execution took hold across the portfolio. Moving to SG&A, expenses were $6.5 million, compared to $5.4 million in the prior year period.

Speaker #2: And gross margin declined by approximately 90 basis points. Holding margin movement to that level given the spread compression and demand variability is a solid outcome.

Speaker #2: And it reinforces that we're scaling throughput without compromising the earnings profile we're building. Stepping back to the full year, gross profit increased by 6.5 million, and gross margin expanded by nearly 1,000 basis points.

Speaker #2: Driven by a 2.5% improvement in material profit, as our sourcing initiatives, product line management, and operating execution took hold across the portfolio. Moving to SG&A, expenses were $6.5 million, compared to $5.4 million in the prior-year period.

Speaker #2: The year-over-year comparison is influenced by merit accrual reversals in the fourth quarter of 2024, along with an unfavorable impact from litigation settlement expenses in the current period.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): The year-over-year comparison is influenced by merit accrual reversals in the Q4 2024, along with an unfavorable impact from litigation settlement expenses in the current period. On a full year basis, SG&A was up $3.2 million, largely driven by $2.1 million related to legacy Mulholland & Palmer activity that was reclassed to SG&A in the Q2, as well as stock compensation and incentive payouts, partially offset by reductions in professional fees. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was a loss of $1.1 million, a decrease of roughly $600,000 year-over-year. Full year EBITDA was a loss of $570,000, an improvement of $4.1 million year-over-year.

Ryan Kavalauskas: The year-over-year comparison is influenced by merit accrual reversals in the Q4 2024, along with an unfavorable impact from litigation settlement expenses in the current period. On a full year basis, SG&A was up $3.2 million, largely driven by $2.1 million related to legacy Mulholland & Palmer activity that was reclassed to SG&A in the Q2, as well as stock compensation and incentive payouts, partially offset by reductions in professional fees. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was a loss of $1.1 million, a decrease of roughly $600,000 year-over-year. Full year EBITDA was a loss of $570,000, an improvement of $4.1 million year-over-year.

Speaker #2: On a full-year basis, SG&A was up $3.2 million, largely driven by $2.1 million related to legacy Monholland Palmer activity that was reclassed to SG&A in the second quarter, as well as stock compensation and incentive payouts, partially offset by reductions in professional fees.

Speaker #2: Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was a loss of 1.1 million, a decrease of roughly 600,000 year over year. Full-year EBITDA was a loss of 570,000, an improvement of 4.1 million year over year.

Speaker #2: Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with 57.6 million of cash, no debt, and 11.4 million of incremental availability under our revolver.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): Turning to the balance sheet, we ended Q4 with $57.6 million of cash, no debt, and $11.4 million of incremental availability under our revolver. We finished the year with significant liquidity and a clean balance sheet, which gives us flexibility and staying power as we move through this part of the cycle. With the cash conversion cycle down to 61 days, we're demonstrating tighter working capital discipline, building confidence that the business is getting more resilient even as demand softens. With that, I'll turn it back to the operator for questions. Thank you.

Ryan Kavalauskas: Turning to the balance sheet, we ended Q4 with $57.6 million of cash, no debt, and $11.4 million of incremental availability under our revolver. We finished the year with significant liquidity and a clean balance sheet, which gives us flexibility and staying power as we move through this part of the cycle. With the cash conversion cycle down to 61 days, we're demonstrating tighter working capital discipline, building confidence that the business is getting more resilient even as demand softens. With that, I'll turn it back to the operator for questions. Thank you.

Speaker #2: We finished the year with significant liquidity and a clean balance sheet, which gives us flexibility in staying power as we move through this part of the cycle.

Speaker #2: And with the cash conversion cycle down to 61 days, we're demonstrating tighter working capital discipline, building confidence that the business is getting more resilient, even as demand softens.

Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn it back to the operator for questions. Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again.

Bryan Kitchen: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. One moment for questions. Our first question comes from Adam Waldo with Managing Member, Lismore Partners LLC. You may proceed.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. One moment for questions. Our first question comes from Adam Waldo with Managing Member, Lismore Partners LLC. You may proceed.

Speaker #3: One moment for questions. And our first question comes from Adam Waldo, managing member at Lismore Partners, LLC. You may proceed.

Adam Waldo: Yes, good day, Bryan and Ryan. I hope you can hear me okay.

Speaker #4: Yes, good day, Brian and Ryan. I hope you can hear me okay. We can. Okay, thanks. So I wanted to dig in a little bit more on the cadence of the quarter by month as you released your third-quarter results.

Adam Waldo: Yes, good day, Bryan and Ryan. I hope you can hear me okay.

Bryan Kitchen: Yes.

Ryan Kavalauskas: Yes.

Adam Waldo: We can? Okay, thanks. I wanted to dig in a little bit more on the cadence of the quarter by month as you released your Q3 results. Were you starting to see some of the softness or did that develop really late in the quarter? How is the macro environment as we sit here, 2 months into the Q1? Obviously, the some geopolitical developments the last few days. You know, before that, were you seeing an improving macro environment?

Bryan Kitchen: We can?

Adam Waldo: Okay, thanks. I wanted to dig in a little bit more on the cadence of the quarter by month as you released your Q3 results. Were you starting to see some of the softness or did that develop really late in the quarter? How is the macro environment as we sit here, 2 months into the Q1? Obviously, the some geopolitical developments the last few days. You know, before that, were you seeing an improving macro environment?

Speaker #4: Were you starting to see some of the soft concerted debt develop really late in the quarter? And how is the macro environment as we sit here two months into the first quarter?

Speaker #4: Obviously, some geopolitical developments the last few days. But before that, were you seeing an improving macro environment?

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah, Adam, I really appreciate the question. You know, related to the demand build inside of 2025, you know, what we're dealing with is still some, you know, inherent seasonality challenges with, you know, the legacy book of business. You know, really strong Q2, really strong Q3, and, you know, a little bit of softness in Q4 and in Q1. You know, as I mentioned in the script, you know, one of the things that we're working on is building a more, you know, stable ratable book of business throughout the year, so we can minimize the impact of some of the seasonality volatility that we have.

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah, Adam, I really appreciate the question. You know, related to the demand build inside of 2025, you know, what we're dealing with is still some, you know, inherent seasonality challenges with, you know, the legacy book of business. You know, really strong Q2, really strong Q3, and, you know, a little bit of softness in Q4 and in Q1. You know, as I mentioned in the script, you know, one of the things that we're working on is building a more, you know, stable ratable book of business throughout the year, so we can minimize the impact of some of the seasonality volatility that we have.

Speaker #2: Yeah, Adam, I really appreciate the question. So, related to the demand build inside of 2025, what we're dealing with is still some inherent seasonality challenges with the legacy book of business.

Speaker #2: Really strong Q2, really strong Q3, and a little bit of softness in Q4 and Q1. So, as I mentioned in the script, one of the things that we're working on is building a more stable, rateable book of business throughout the year so we can minimize the impact of some of the seasonality volatility that we have.

Bryan Kitchen: You know, related to the most recent conflict that emerged over the weekend, what I would say is, look, you know, with the cost of petroleum input, raw material costs will go up, well, will likely go up. If and when they do, you know, we already have demonstrated the ability to pass along those raw material increases to customers. We're pretty well protected on that.

Bryan Kitchen: You know, related to the most recent conflict that emerged over the weekend, what I would say is, look, you know, with the cost of petroleum input, raw material costs will go up, well, will likely go up. If and when they do, you know, we already have demonstrated the ability to pass along those raw material increases to customers. We're pretty well protected on that.

Speaker #2: Related to the most recent conflict that emerged over the weekend, what I would say is with the cost of petroleum input raw material costs will go up.

Speaker #2: Well, will likely go up. And if and when they do, we already have demonstrated the ability to pass along those raw material increases to customers.

Speaker #2: So we're pretty well protected on that.

Speaker #4: Oh, that's very helpful. Now, as we're sort of building up our outlook for 2026, just directionally, I know you don't give specific forward guidance, but you issued a press release on December 1st about the sizable new win, client win, of over 10 million in annualized revenue, which portended mid-teens or better revenue growth in 2026 if the existing same client revenues would be flattish year over year in 26 relative to 25.

Adam Waldo: No, that's very helpful. Now, as we're sort of building up our outlook for 2026, just directionally, I know you don't give specific forward guidance, but you issued a press release on 1 December, you know, about the sizable new client win of over $10 million in annualized revenue, which portended, you know, mid-teens or better revenue growth in 2026 if the existing same client revenues would be flattish year-over-year in 2026 relevant to 2025. Are you still comfortable that the company, based on that win and the existing new business pipeline and backlog, can deliver double-digit revenue growth for 2026?

Adam Waldo: No, that's very helpful. Now, as we're sort of building up our outlook for 2026, just directionally, I know you don't give specific forward guidance, but you issued a press release on 1 December, you know, about the sizable new client win of over $10 million in annualized revenue, which portended, you know, mid-teens or better revenue growth in 2026 if the existing same client revenues would be flattish year-over-year in 2026 relevant to 2025. Are you still comfortable that the company, based on that win and the existing new business pipeline and backlog, can deliver double-digit revenue growth for 2026?

Speaker #4: Are you still comfortable that the company based on that win and the existing new business pipeline and backlog can deliver double-digit revenue growth for 2026?

Bryan Kitchen: That's certainly the plan, yes. You know, that piece of new business that we won, has started. It's beginning to scale. You know, I think we're on track for getting that to full run rate early Q2.

Bryan Kitchen: That's certainly the plan, yes. You know, that piece of new business that we won, has started. It's beginning to scale. You know, I think we're on track for getting that to full run rate early Q2.

Speaker #2: Yes, certainly the plan, yes. That piece of new business that we won has started. It's beginning to scale. And I think we're on track for getting that to full run rate early Q2.

Speaker #4: Okay. And last question, and thank you for allowing the questions. Are we feeling pretty good about the ability to deliver a consolidated gross margin that's sort of above the at or above the low 30s or better level to which Ryan had said the company kind of on a steady state basis is aspiring on a consolidated basis now pro forma for the tubular divestitures and having moved the Monholland facility off the books?

Adam Waldo: Okay. Last question, and thank you for allowing the questions. Are we feeling pretty good about the ability to deliver a consolidated gross margin that's sort of at or above the low thirties or better level, to which Ryan had said the company kind of on a steady state basis is aspiring on a consolidated basis, now pro forma for the tubular divestitures and having moved the Munhall facility off the books?

Adam Waldo: Okay. Last question, and thank you for allowing the questions. Are we feeling pretty good about the ability to deliver a consolidated gross margin that's sort of at or above the low thirties or better level, to which Ryan had said the company kind of on a steady state basis is aspiring on a consolidated basis, now pro forma for the tubular divestitures and having moved the Munhall facility off the books?

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah, I'll start. Ryan, you can jump in. I mean, certainly that's what we're running and gunning towards. You know, what we said from day one is we were targeting margins in that 30% to 35% range. That flow through to SG&A of 15%. Obviously, we need to grow into that SG&A, flow through all the way down to, you know, 15% EBITDA margins. That wasn't an immediate target. That wasn't a, we're gonna go fulfill that this month or this quarter or even this year. That was more of a long-term target. You know, you could do a quick look back and look at our performance in Q2 and Q3. You know, what we delivered was squarely in the upper 20s to lower 30s range.

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah, I'll start. Ryan, you can jump in. I mean, certainly that's what we're running and gunning towards. You know, what we said from day one is we were targeting margins in that 30% to 35% range. That flow through to SG&A of 15%. Obviously, we need to grow into that SG&A, flow through all the way down to, you know, 15% EBITDA margins. That wasn't an immediate target. That wasn't a, we're gonna go fulfill that this month or this quarter or even this year. That was more of a long-term target. You know, you could do a quick look back and look at our performance in Q2 and Q3. You know, what we delivered was squarely in the upper 20s to lower 30s range.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I'll start, Ryan. You can jump in. I mean, certainly, that's what we're running a gunning towards. What we said from day one as we were targeting margins in that 35% range, that flow through to SG&A of 15%, obviously, we need to grow into that SG&A.

Speaker #2: And then flow through all the way down to 15% EBITDA margins. That wasn't an immediate target. That wasn't, "Hey, we're going to go fulfill that this month or this quarter." Or even this year.

Speaker #2: That was more of a long-term target. But you could do a quick look back and look at our performance in Q2 and Q3 and what we delivered was really in the upper 20s to lower 30s range.

Speaker #4: Okay. And the new business you're bringing on more recently, is it higher gross margins? So is it reasonably conservative, but plausible to expect a consolidated gross margin for 2026 in at least that high 20s to low 30s range that you articulated, Brian?

Adam Waldo: Okay. The new business you're bringing on more recently is at higher gross margins. Is it reasonably conservative but plausible to expect a consolidated gross margin for 2026 in at least the high 20s to low 30s range that you articulated, Bryan?

Adam Waldo: Okay. The new business you're bringing on more recently is at higher gross margins. Is it reasonably conservative but plausible to expect a consolidated gross margin for 2026 in at least the high 20s to low 30s range that you articulated, Bryan?

Speaker #2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, look, it's early. There's always going to be puts and takes along the way. We'll see how the year shapes.

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah, I think so. I mean, look, it's really there's always gonna be puts and takes along the way. We'll see how the year shapes. You know, certainly, you know, the mid-20s to, you know, lower 30s is still our target.

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah, I think so. I mean, look, it's really there's always gonna be puts and takes along the way. We'll see how the year shapes. You know, certainly, you know, the mid-20s to, you know, lower 30s is still our target.

Speaker #2: But certainly, the mid-20s to lower 30s is still our target.

Speaker #4: Okay. Thanks so much.

Adam Waldo: Okay. Thanks so much.

Adam Waldo: Okay. Thanks so much.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Adam.

Bryan Kitchen: Thanks, Adam.

Bryan Kitchen: Thanks, Adam.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Gregory Kitt with Pinnacle. You may proceed.

Operator: Our next question comes from Gregory Kitt with Pinnacle. You may proceed.

Operator: Our next question comes from Gregory Kitt with Pinnacle. You may proceed.

Speaker #2: Hi, Brian and Ryan. Thank you for taking my questions. Hey, Greg.

Gregory Kitt: Hi, Bryan and Ryan. Thank you for taking my questions.

Gregory Kitt: Hi, Bryan and Ryan. Thank you for taking my questions.

Bryan Kitchen: Hey, Greg.

Bryan Kitchen: Hey, Greg.

Adam Waldo: Hey, Greg.

Ryan Kavalauskas: Hey, Greg.

Speaker #4: First, congratulations on a good year. In which you had to accomplish a lot with divestitures and managing the portfolio. And through that, you were still continuing to win new business.

Gregory Kitt: First, congratulations on a good year, in which you had to accomplish a lot with divestitures and managing the portfolio. Through that, you were still continuing to win new business. I've read your comment that you're exiting with a clean and focused platform focused on or capable of delivering higher quality earnings and operating leverage. If I could kind of break it down into revenue margins and operating leverage, kind of piggyback on some of Adam's questions. On revenue, just to make sure that I understood, did you say that you won $9.4 million of business in the quarter? How do I reconcile that with the 1 December announcement of that $10 million plus that you announced? I was a little confused.

Gregory Kitt: First, congratulations on a good year, in which you had to accomplish a lot with divestitures and managing the portfolio. Through that, you were still continuing to win new business. I've read your comment that you're exiting with a clean and focused platform focused on or capable of delivering higher quality earnings and operating leverage. If I could kind of break it down into revenue margins and operating leverage, kind of piggyback on some of Adam's questions. On revenue, just to make sure that I understood, did you say that you won $9.4 million of business in the quarter? How do I reconcile that with the 1 December announcement of that $10 million plus that you announced? I was a little confused.

Speaker #4: I've read your comment that you're exiting with a clean and focused platform focused on or capable of delivering higher quality earnings and operating leverage.

Speaker #4: If I could kind of break it down into revenue margins and operating leverage, kind of piggyback on some of Adam's questions. On revenue, just to make sure that I understood, did you say that you won 9.4 million dollars of business in the quarter?

Speaker #4: And then how do I reconcile that with the December 1st announcement of that $10 million-plus that you announced? I was a little confused.

Speaker #2: Yeah, that's right. So what we flashed was $9.4 million of wins in the fourth quarter, of which I believe $7.1 million of that was attributed to that new customer program.

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah, that's right. you know, what we flashed was, $9.4 million of wins in Q4, of which, I believe it was 7.1 of that was attributed to that new customer program. $2.3 million, or the balance of that, came from additional new customer wins outside of the programmatic win that we announced.

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah, that's right. you know, what we flashed was, $9.4 million of wins in Q4, of which, I believe it was 7.1 of that was attributed to that new customer program. $2.3 million, or the balance of that, came from additional new customer wins outside of the programmatic win that we announced.

Speaker #2: 2.3 million or the balance of that came from additional new customer wins. Outside of the programmatic one that we announced.

Speaker #4: Okay. And so that's 7.1 million there was an opportunity there's an opportunity for that to continue to grow. To reach that $10 million potential.

Gregory Kitt: Okay. That $7.1 million, there's an opportunity for that to continue to grow, to reach that $10 million potential.

Gregory Kitt: Okay. That $7.1 million, there's an opportunity for that to continue to grow, to reach that $10 million potential.

Speaker #2: Absolutely. Yes.

Bryan Kitchen: Absolutely, yes.

Bryan Kitchen: Absolutely, yes.

Speaker #4: Okay. Okay. Great. And so is there some way to think about you had talked about somewhere in the range of a combined $30 million of wins, a little north of $30 million of wins over the course of 25.

Gregory Kitt: Okay. Okay, great. Is there some way to think about, you know, you had talked about somewhere in the range of a combined $30 million of wins, a little north of $30 million of wins over the course of 2025. Is there any way to think about how much, if any of that contributed to results last year?

Gregory Kitt: Okay. Okay, great. Is there some way to think about, you know, you had talked about somewhere in the range of a combined $30 million of wins, a little north of $30 million of wins over the course of 2025. Is there any way to think about how much, if any of that contributed to results last year?

Speaker #4: Is there any way to think about how much, if any, of that contributed to results last year?

Bryan Kitchen: That's a good question. Let me take an action, and I'll follow up with you on that, on our follow-up call. I don't wanna spitball a number. I did wanna go back, Greg, to your prior question around the 7.1 versus the 10 and trying to reconcile that. Of the, you know, of the $9 million, $9.4 million that we referenced, that is predicated on us actually receiving firm purchase order for a shipment. Part of that $10 million, we've shipped out a number of SKUs, but we haven't shipped out all of them, and because of that, there's gonna be some bleed over into Q1.

Bryan Kitchen: That's a good question. Let me take an action, and I'll follow up with you on that, on our follow-up call. I don't wanna spitball a number. I did wanna go back, Greg, to your prior question around the 7.1 versus the 10 and trying to reconcile that. Of the, you know, of the $9 million, $9.4 million that we referenced, that is predicated on us actually receiving firm purchase order for a shipment. Part of that $10 million, we've shipped out a number of SKUs, but we haven't shipped out all of them, and because of that, there's gonna be some bleed over into Q1.

Speaker #2: That's a good question. Let me take an action and I'll follow up with you on that. Our follow-up call. I don't want to spitball a number.

Speaker #2: But I did want to go back, Greg, to your prior question around the 7.1 versus the 10 and trying to reconcile that. Of the nine million dollars, 9.4 million dollars that we referenced, that is predicated on us actually receiving for purchase order for a shipment.

Speaker #2: So part of that $10 million we've shipped out a number of SKUs, but we haven't shipped out all of them. And because of that, there's going to be some bleed over into the first quarter.

Speaker #4: Okay. Okay. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Thank you for that clarification. I think the big thing for me is not to say that you were distracted, but you did have other operational focuses with the divestitures that you don't have anymore.

Gregory Kitt: Okay. Okay. Oh, that's great. Yeah, thank you for that clarification. I think the big thing for me is not to say that you were distracted, but you did have other operational focuses with the divestitures that you don't have anymore.

Gregory Kitt: Okay. Okay. Oh, that's great. Yeah, thank you for that clarification. I think the big thing for me is not to say that you were distracted, but you did have other operational focuses with the divestitures that you don't have anymore.

Bryan Kitchen: Okay.

Bryan Kitchen: Okay.

Gregory Kitt: I think I look at the platform and say, Hey, you can just focus on winning business. Something that you said in your prepared remarks that was interesting was that you invested some amount of dollars to effectively expand your capacity, and you did that in a cost-effective manner rather than having to buy new equipment. What are you looking at? Or maybe walk us through that decision because you've talked about how your assets are relatively underutilized. Just that decision-making process in investing and to effectively expand your capacity now, what's giving you that confidence to do that?

Speaker #4: And so, I think I look at the platform and say, "Hey, you can just focus on winning business." And something that you said in your prepared remarks—which was interesting—was that you invested some amount of dollars to effectively expand your capacity, and you did that in a cost-effective manner rather than having to buy new equipment.

Gregory Kitt: I think I look at the platform and say, Hey, you can just focus on winning business. Something that you said in your prepared remarks that was interesting was that you invested some amount of dollars to effectively expand your capacity, and you did that in a cost-effective manner rather than having to buy new equipment. What are you looking at? Or maybe walk us through that decision because you've talked about how your assets are relatively underutilized. Just that decision-making process in investing and to effectively expand your capacity now, what's giving you that confidence to do that?

Speaker #4: What are you looking at? Or maybe walk us through that decision because you've talked about how your assets are relatively underutilized. Just that decision-making process in investing in to effectively expand your capacity now, what's giving you that confidence to do that?

Speaker #2: Yeah, so just to be clear, what I said was to expand our capability, not our capacity. So this isn't a function, Greg, of adding additional reactors.

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah. Just to be clear, what I said was to expand our capability, not our capacity.

Bryan Kitchen: Yeah. Just to be clear, what I said was to expand our capability, not our capacity.

Gregory Kitt: Okay.

Gregory Kitt: Okay.

Bryan Kitchen: This isn't a function, Greg, of adding additional reactors to the mix because as you know, we have a fair amount already that are grossly underutilized. What this really refers to is putting old storage tanks back into commission to support new business that we have won. Another example is in Virginia, we had rail capability going inbound into our multipurpose plant that at some point in time had been paved over with asphalt. Well, the team in Virginia found a really creative way in partnership with the local railroad to get that back in service, you know, for nominally $20,000, right? That's just another example. These are not material adds where we're going out and adding net new capacity. It's all about capabilities to support existing and new business.

Bryan Kitchen: This isn't a function, Greg, of adding additional reactors to the mix because as you know, we have a fair amount already that are grossly underutilized. What this really refers to is putting old storage tanks back into commission to support new business that we have won. Another example is in Virginia, we had rail capability going inbound into our multipurpose plant that at some point in time had been paved over with asphalt. Well, the team in Virginia found a really creative way in partnership with the local railroad to get that back in service, you know, for nominally $20,000, right? That's just another example. These are not material adds where we're going out and adding net new capacity. It's all about capabilities to support existing and new business.

Speaker #2: To the mix, because as you know, we have a fair amount already that are grossly underutilized. So what this really refers to is putting old storage tanks back into commission to support new business that we have won.

Speaker #2: Another example is in Virginia, we had rail capability going inbound into our multi-purpose plant that at some point in time had been paved over with asphalt.

Speaker #2: Well, the team in Virginia found a really creative way in partnership with the local railroad to get that back in service. For nominally 20,000 dollars, right?

Speaker #2: So just another example. But these are not material ads where we're going out and adding net new capacity; it's all about capabilities to support existing and new business.

Speaker #4: Okay. Great. Thank you. On the gross margin side, I would guess that that was the only piece where I said, "I can't wait to learn more." Because I think you'd had great linear progress in Q2 and Q3 of last year.

Gregory Kitt: Okay, great. Thank you. On the gross margin side, I would guess that was the only piece where I said, "I can't wait to learn more," because I think you'd had a, you know, great linear progress in Q2 and Q3 of last year. This is a, you know, it's gonna be revenue-based. You're absorbing fixed overhead. I expected margins to be down this quarter. Can you give us any sort of way to think about gross margins going forward? Did anything this quarter make you...

Gregory Kitt: Okay, great. Thank you. On the gross margin side, I would guess that was the only piece where I said, "I can't wait to learn more," because I think you'd had a, you know, great linear progress in Q2 and Q3 of last year. This is a, you know, it's gonna be revenue-based. You're absorbing fixed overhead. I expected margins to be down this quarter. Can you give us any sort of way to think about gross margins going forward? Did anything this quarter make you...

Speaker #4: And this is a it's going to be revenue-based. You're absorbing fixed overhead. And so I expected margins to be down this quarter. Can you give us any sort of way to think about gross margins going forward?

Speaker #4: Did anything this quarter make you—I heard what you said to Adam—but did anything you saw in the fourth quarter make you revisit your margin targets and say, 'Hey, this might take a little bit longer than we thought, or might be more challenging than we thought?'

Gregory Kitt: I heard what you said to Adam, but did anything you saw in Q4 make you revisit your margin targets and say, Hey, this might take a little bit longer than we thought, or it might be more challenging than we thought?

Gregory Kitt: I heard what you said to Adam, but did anything you saw in Q4 make you revisit your margin targets and say, Hey, this might take a little bit longer than we thought, or it might be more challenging than we thought?

Speaker #2: No, all that rides up in on that, Ryan.

Bryan Kitchen: No, I'll let Ryan jump in on that, Ryan.

Bryan Kitchen: No, I'll let Ryan jump in on that, Ryan.

Speaker #3: Yeah. I mean, nothing in the quarter. I mean, we have some inventory adjustments, some accruals, and things like that. So there was a handful of one-time items: some building of stock, some customers there wherein we control the raw material spend.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): Yeah, I mean, nothing in Q4. I mean, we have, you know, some inventory adjustments, some accruals and things like that. There was a handful of one-time items, some building of stock, some customers there wherein we control the raw material spend. You see raw material co-costs come up. The margins are effectively the same, but those type of things came through in Q4. Nothing that we saw, in my opinion, is structural. It's more just timing and predominantly just mix. Some of our newer customers, we've gone out and win. We were aware that there was a volume aspect that we were willing to trade for margin.

Ryan Kavalauskas: Yeah, I mean, nothing in Q4. I mean, we have, you know, some inventory adjustments, some accruals and things like that. There was a handful of one-time items, some building of stock, some customers there wherein we control the raw material spend. You see raw material co-costs come up. The margins are effectively the same, but those type of things came through in Q4. Nothing that we saw, in my opinion, is structural. It's more just timing and predominantly just mix. Some of our newer customers, we've gone out and win. We were aware that there was a volume aspect that we were willing to trade for margin.

Speaker #3: So you see raw material costs come up, the margins are effectively the same. But those type of things came through in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #3: Nothing that we saw, in my opinion, is structural. It's more just timing and predominantly just mix. Some of our newer customers, we've gone out and won.

Speaker #3: We were aware that there was a volume aspect that we were willing to trade for margin. We won't always do that, but in the scenarios where our plants are so grossly underutilized, these are deals that come few and far between in this kind of macro environment, where you can go out and find large chunks of volume who are willing to kind of move.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): We won't always do that, but in the scenarios where our plants are so grossly underutilized, these are deals that come few and far between in this kind of macro environment where you can go out and find large chunks of volume, we're willing to kind of move. We took on that business, and we did see some of that mix effects, which did compress margins in the quarter. Nothing that happened in this quarter would make me think that, you know, our targets of, you know, plus 30% are unachievable. We'll still continue to march that way. Sometimes the quarters will get choppy, and the mix will throw that off and kind of, you know, take away that kind of linear progression you saw where we're kind of ramping up margins every quarter.

Ryan Kavalauskas: We won't always do that, but in the scenarios where our plants are so grossly underutilized, these are deals that come few and far between in this kind of macro environment where you can go out and find large chunks of volume, we're willing to kind of move. We took on that business, and we did see some of that mix effects, which did compress margins in the quarter. Nothing that happened in this quarter would make me think that, you know, our targets of, you know, plus 30% are unachievable. We'll still continue to march that way. Sometimes the quarters will get choppy, and the mix will throw that off and kind of, you know, take away that kind of linear progression you saw where we're kind of ramping up margins every quarter.

Speaker #3: So we took those we took on that business and we did see some of that mixed effects, which did compress margins in the quarter.

Speaker #3: But nothing that happened in this quarter. Would make me think that our targets of plus 30% are unachievable. We'll still continue to march that way.

Speaker #3: But sometimes the quarters will get choppy, and the mix will throw that off and kind of take away that kind of linear progression you saw where we were kind of ramping up margins every quarter.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): We should get back to that mid-20s, low 20s here for the first half and hopefully start to ramp back up as, you know, capacity and utilization increases.

Speaker #3: So we should get back to that mid-20s, low-20s here for the first half, and hopefully start to ramp back up as capacity increases and utilization increases.

Ryan Kavalauskas: We should get back to that mid-20s, low 20s here for the first half and hopefully start to ramp back up as, you know, capacity and utilization increases.

Speaker #3: Or capacity utilization increases.

Gregory Kitt: Thank you. Two more for me, quick ones. On SG&A, is there any way to think about that litigation settlement, how material that could have been in the quarter?

Gregory Kitt: Thank you. Two more for me, quick ones. On SG&A, is there any way to think about that litigation settlement, how material that could have been in the quarter?

Speaker #4: Thank you. Two more for me—quick ones. On SG&A, is there any way to think about that litigation settlement? How material that could have been in the quarter?

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): It was about a little over $200,000. That was a legacy issue we've been working on. We finally got it wrapped up. It was a good win for us in the end of where we thought it could be at. Call it $200,000, a little over that.

Ryan Kavalauskas: It was about a little over $200,000. That was a legacy issue we've been working on. We finally got it wrapped up. It was a good win for us in the end of where we thought it could be at. Call it $200,000, a little over that.

Speaker #3: It was about $200,000, a little over $200,000. So that was a legacy issue we've been working on. We finally got it wrapped up. It was a good win for us in the end, of where we thought it could be at.

Speaker #3: So, call it 200,000—a little over that.

Speaker #4: Thank you. And then you announced—you and the board announced—that share repurchase authorization back in November. Not a ton of traction in the fourth quarter.

Gregory Kitt: Thank you. Then you announced, you and the board announced that share repurchase authorization back in November. Not a ton of traction in Q4. Can you help us think about capital allocation? I'm assuming you're still continuing to look at potential acquisitions and how you weigh that versus share repurchases.

Gregory Kitt: Thank you. Then you announced, you and the board announced that share repurchase authorization back in November. Not a ton of traction in Q4. Can you help us think about capital allocation? I'm assuming you're still continuing to look at potential acquisitions and how you weigh that versus share repurchases.

Speaker #4: Can you help us think about capital allocation? I'm assuming you're still continuing to look at potential acquisitions and how you weigh that versus share repurchases?

Speaker #3: Yeah. I mean, predominantly the first thing we focused on is reinvestments in the assets. As Brian mentioned, some of that can be capacity or capability enhancements, process improvements, first-time inspect, things like that where we're able to streamline and be more efficient.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): Yeah, I mean, predominantly, the first thing we focus on is reinvestments in the assets. As Bryan mentioned, some of that can be capacity or capability enhancements, process improvements, first time in SPAC, things like that, where we're able to streamline and be more efficient. We'll always allocate $ to that first. When we looked at share buybacks, you know, the stock was trading sub-15. We thought there was a really good opportunity from where we felt we could be in a few years, and then the stock did run a little bit up. It kind of came out of our buy box for a little bit. We'll still have that in our quiver, but, you know, it was much more attractive, you know, in the places where we were quite a bit more active.

Ryan Kavalauskas: Yeah, I mean, predominantly, the first thing we focus on is reinvestments in the assets. As Bryan mentioned, some of that can be capacity or capability enhancements, process improvements, first time in SPAC, things like that, where we're able to streamline and be more efficient. We'll always allocate $ to that first. When we looked at share buybacks, you know, the stock was trading sub-15. We thought there was a really good opportunity from where we felt we could be in a few years, and then the stock did run a little bit up. It kind of came out of our buy box for a little bit. We'll still have that in our quiver, but, you know, it was much more attractive, you know, in the places where we were quite a bit more active.

Speaker #3: So we’ll always allocate dollars to that first. When we looked at share buybacks, the stock was trading sub-$15. We thought there was a really good opportunity from where we felt we could be in a few years, and then the stock did run a little bit up.

Speaker #3: So it kind of came out of our buy box for a little bit. So we'll still have that in our quiver, but it was much more attractive in the places where we were quite a bit more active.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): We'll continue to look at that, you know, be opportunistic where we can in buybacks. We've positioned ourselves to do that. M&A is always there. Right now there is so much capacity, not only within our own assets, but within the broader industry as a whole and specifically in North America. We haven't seen anything attractive to this point. We're continuing to be open and looking, but again, our first, second, and third focus is filling up our own assets. We're hesitant, and we'll be cautious when we see assets come along that look similar in utilization to our own. We don't need that added problem. We'll continue to kind of look at things that way in that priority order.

Speaker #3: So, we'll continue to look at that, being opportunistic where we can. In buybacks, we've positioned ourselves to do that. And then M&A is always there.

Ryan Kavalauskas: We'll continue to look at that, you know, be opportunistic where we can in buybacks. We've positioned ourselves to do that. M&A is always there. Right now there is so much capacity, not only within our own assets, but within the broader industry as a whole and specifically in North America. We haven't seen anything attractive to this point. We're continuing to be open and looking, but again, our first, second, and third focus is filling up our own assets. We're hesitant, and we'll be cautious when we see assets come along that look similar in utilization to our own. We don't need that added problem. We'll continue to kind of look at things that way in that priority order.

Speaker #3: Right now, there is so much capacity not only within our own assets, but within the broader industry as a whole, and specifically in North America.

Speaker #3: So, where we haven't seen anything attractive to this point, we're continuing to be open and looking, but again, our first, second, and third focus is filling up our own assets.

Speaker #3: So we're hesitant, and we'll be cautious when we see assets come along that look similar in utilization to our own. We don't need that added problem.

Speaker #3: So, we'll continue to kind of look at things that way, in that priority order: invest in our assets and people first, opportunistically buy shares where we can and where the price looks right.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): You know, invest in our assets and people first, opportunistically buy shares where we can and where the price looks right. Then if an attractive asset comes along or a product portfolio comes along, we're in a position to make that move quickly if we need to.

Ryan Kavalauskas: You know, invest in our assets and people first, opportunistically buy shares where we can and where the price looks right. Then if an attractive asset comes along or a product portfolio comes along, we're in a position to make that move quickly if we need to.

Speaker #3: And then, if an attractive asset comes along or a product portfolio comes along, we're in a position to make that move quickly if we need to.

Speaker #4: Thank you very much.

Gregory Kitt: Thank you very much.

Gregory Kitt: Thank you very much.

Speaker #1: Thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, please press *11 on your telephone. Our next question comes from Howard Root with Fairhope Capital.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. Our next question comes from Howard Root with Fairhope Capital. You may proceed.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. Our next question comes from Howard Root with Fairhope Capital. You may proceed.

Speaker #1: You may proceed.

Howard Root: Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my call, Bryan and Ryan. Just a little follow-up on the gross profit. I mean, I was kind of surprised going from 29% in Q3 down to 18% in Q4. Was any of that related to new contracts you took on, or is it? You talked about one time. You know, if it wasn't for the one time expenses you had, would that have been closer to the 23% you had for the year? Or how much of that can we look at as one time, one quarter, or how much of that might be continuing into 2026?

Howard Root: Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my call, Bryan and Ryan. Just a little follow-up on the gross profit. I mean, I was kind of surprised going from 29% in Q3 down to 18% in Q4. Was any of that related to new contracts you took on, or is it? You talked about one time. You know, if it wasn't for the one time expenses you had, would that have been closer to the 23% you had for the year? Or how much of that can we look at as one time, one quarter, or how much of that might be continuing into 2026?

Speaker #5: Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my call, Brian and Ryan. It's a little follow-up on the gross profit. I mean, I was kind of surprised going from 29% in Q3 down to 18% in Q4.

Speaker #5: Was any of that related to new contracts you took on, or is it—you talked about one-time? If it wasn't for the one-time expenses you had, would that have been closer to the 23% you had for the year, or how much of that can we look at as one-time, one-quarter, or how much of that might be continuing into 2026?

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): I'd say about, call it a little over half a million dollars was kind of what I would consider one time. Are they, you know, normal course of business things like inventory accruals and things like that? Yes. You know, they were things that were headwinds and normally they are. When we look at comps year-over-year, there was some tailwinds in 2024 that we didn't get in 2025. I think if you stripped all that out, we would probably have spent somewhere in that low 20% margin. Definitely a compression compared to Q3. Again, some of that's just mix driven, right? Where we have these kind of higher volume, lower mix customers, that mix just shifted a little bit for us in Q4.

Ryan Kavalauskas: I'd say about, call it a little over half a million dollars was kind of what I would consider one time. Are they, you know, normal course of business things like inventory accruals and things like that? Yes. You know, they were things that were headwinds and normally they are. When we look at comps year-over-year, there was some tailwinds in 2024 that we didn't get in 2025. I think if you stripped all that out, we would probably have spent somewhere in that low 20% margin. Definitely a compression compared to Q3. Again, some of that's just mix driven, right? Where we have these kind of higher volume, lower mix customers, that mix just shifted a little bit for us in Q4.

Speaker #3: I'd say about, call it a little over half a million, was kind of what I would consider one-time. Are they normal course of business things, like inventory accruals and things like that?

Speaker #3: Yes, but they were things that were headwinds, and normally they are. When we look at comps year over year, there were some tailwinds in '24 that we didn't get in '25.

Speaker #3: So, I think if you stripped all that out, we would probably have spent somewhere in that low 20% margin. So, definitely a compression compared to Q3.

Speaker #3: And again, some of that's just mix-driven, right? Where we have these kind of higher-volume, lower-mix customers, that mix just shifted a little bit for us in Q4.

Speaker #3: If you compound that with some of the things we did to clean up the inventory and things like that, that's what pulled things back.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): You compound that with some of the things we did to clean up the inventory and things like that, and that's what pulled things back. Again, these aren't structural margin compression we're seeing. These are more just timing and mix related. We should get back into that 20% going forward and then start to get back on that ramp closer to 30% is where we hope to be long term.

Ryan Kavalauskas: You compound that with some of the things we did to clean up the inventory and things like that, and that's what pulled things back. Again, these aren't structural margin compression we're seeing. These are more just timing and mix related. We should get back into that 20% going forward and then start to get back on that ramp closer to 30% is where we hope to be long term.

Speaker #3: So again, these aren't structural margin compression we're seeing. These are more just timing and mix-related. So we should get back into that 20% going forward and then start again to get back on that ramp closer to 30% is where we hope to be long-term.

Speaker #5: Okay, great, thanks. And then just a general question on the M&A environment. What are you seeing out there in terms of the size of targets and valuation, and also your appetite for it as you have another quarter in?

Howard Root: Okay, great. Thanks. Just a general question on the M&A environment. What are you seeing out there, in terms of the size of targets, valuation, and kind of also your appetite for it as you're another quarter in? Do you see that as something you want to do this year, you would do for the exact right thing, or are things getting into the right price range for you to do something now?

Howard Root: Okay, great. Thanks. Just a general question on the M&A environment. What are you seeing out there, in terms of the size of targets, valuation, and kind of also your appetite for it as you're another quarter in? Do you see that as something you want to do this year, you would do for the exact right thing, or are things getting into the right price range for you to do something now?

Speaker #5: Do you see that as something you want to do this year? You would do it for the exact right thing, or are things getting into the right price range for you to do something now?

Speaker #2: Yeah. Look, I would say that we were always in the hunt, but it's got to be the right opportunity. So, as Ryan mentioned, the last thing that we want to do is go out and buy another, let's say, a distressed asset that has relatively low utilization when all that would do is effectively compound our existing problem statement.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): Yeah, look, I would say that we're always in the hunt, but it's got to be the right opportunity. As Ryan mentioned, the last thing that we want to do is go out and buy, you know, another, let's say, a distressed asset that has relatively low utilization when all that would do is effectively compound our existing problem statement. You know, what we'd really like is, you know, a product line or product lines that we could acquire and then integrate into our manufacturing base to get that utilization up and get that dual bump. We haven't found that right opportunity just yet. We're not running away from M&A, but we certainly don't have any dollars burning a hole in our pocket, Howard.

Ryan Kavalauskas: Yeah, look, I would say that we're always in the hunt, but it's got to be the right opportunity. As Ryan mentioned, the last thing that we want to do is go out and buy, you know, another, let's say, a distressed asset that has relatively low utilization when all that would do is effectively compound our existing problem statement. You know, what we'd really like is, you know, a product line or product lines that we could acquire and then integrate into our manufacturing base to get that utilization up and get that dual bump. We haven't found that right opportunity just yet. We're not running away from M&A, but we certainly don't have any dollars burning a hole in our pocket, Howard.

Speaker #2: So what we'd really like is a product line or product lines that we could acquire and then integrate into our manufacturing base and get that utilization up and get that dual bump.

Speaker #2: We haven't found that right opportunity just yet. We're not running away from M&A, but we certainly don't have any dollars burning a hole in our pocket, Howard.

Speaker #5: Great. All right. Thanks. And thanks again for all the hard work last year getting this set on the right path forward. So I look forward to a great 2026 for you guys.

Howard Root: Great. All right. Thanks. You know, thanks again for all the hard work last year, getting this set on the right path forward. I look forward to a great 2026 for you guys.

Howard Root: Great. All right. Thanks. You know, thanks again for all the hard work last year, getting this set on the right path forward. I look forward to a great 2026 for you guys.

[Company Representative] (Ascent Industries Co): Appreciate it, Howard.

Ryan Kavalauskas: Appreciate it, Howard.

Speaker #2: Appreciate it, Howard.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Gregory Kitt: Thank you.

Gregory Kitt: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Brian Kitchen for any closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Bryan Kitchen for any closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Bryan Kitchen for any closing remarks.

Speaker #6: Okay, Josh. We'd like to thank everyone for listening to today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you all again when we report our first quarter 2026 results.

Gregory Kitt: Okay, Josh. We'd like to thank everyone for listening to today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you all again when we report our Q1 2026 results. Thanks very much, and have a great day.

Gregory Kitt: Okay, Josh. We'd like to thank everyone for listening to today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you all again when we report our Q1 2026 results. Thanks very much, and have a great day.

Speaker #6: Thanks very much and have a great day.

Operator: Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Operator: Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Q4 2025 Ascent Industries Co Earnings Call

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Ascent Industries

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Q4 2025 Ascent Industries Co Earnings Call

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Tuesday, March 3rd, 2026 at 10:00 PM

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