Q4 2025 Chicago Atlantic BDC Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good day and welcome to the Chicago Atlantic BDC, Inc. fourth quarter 2020 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode.
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Speaker #2: Thank you . Good morning . Welcome to the Chicago Atlantic BDC, Inc. conference call to review the company's results on the call today will be Peter Sack chief Executive Officer Tom Jeffrey , interim chief financial officer , and Dino Colonna , president .
Tripp Sullivan: Thank you. Good morning. Welcome to the Chicago Atlantic BDC conference call to review the company's results. On the call today will be Peter Sack, Chief Executive Officer, Thomas Geoffroy, Interim Chief Financial Officer, and Dino Colonna, President. Our results were released this morning in our earnings press release, which can be found in the investor relations section of our website and in our supplemental earnings presentation filed with the SEC. The live audio webcast of this call is being made available today. For those who listen to the replay of this webcast, we remind you that the remarks made herein are as of today and will not be updated subsequent to this call.
Tripp Sullivan: Thank you. Good morning. Welcome to the Chicago Atlantic BDC conference call to review the company's results. On the call today will be Peter Sack, Chief Executive Officer, Tom Geoffroy, Interim Chief Financial Officer, and Dino Colonna, President. Our results were released this morning in our earnings press release, which can be found in the investor relations section of our website and in our supplemental earnings presentation filed with the SEC. The live audio webcast of this call is being made available today. For those who listen to the replay of this webcast, we remind you that the remarks made herein are as of today and will not be updated subsequent to this call.
Speaker #2: Our results were released this morning in our earnings press release, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website and in our supplemental earnings presentation filed with the SEC.
Speaker #2: The live audio webcast of this call is being made available today . For those who listen to the replay of this webcast . We remind you that the remarks made herein are , as of today and will not be updated subsequent to this call .
Speaker #2: Before we begin , I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements that are not based on historical facts may , during this call , including statements related to financial guidance , may be deemed forward looking statements under federal securities laws .
Tripp Sullivan: Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements that are not based on historical facts made during this call, including statements related to financial guidance, may be deemed forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. Because such statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. We encourage you to refer to our most recent SEC filings for information on some of these risk factors. Chicago Atlantic BDC assumes no obligation or responsibility to update any forward-looking statements. Please note that the information reported on this call speaks only as of today, 19 March 2026. Therefore, you're advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay or transcript reading. I'll now turn the call over to Peter Sack. Please go ahead.
Tripp Sullivan: Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements that are not based on historical facts made during this call, including statements related to financial guidance, may be deemed forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. Because such statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. We encourage you to refer to our most recent SEC filings for information on some of these risk factors. Chicago Atlantic BDC assumes no obligation or responsibility to update any forward-looking statements. Please note that the information reported on this call speaks only as of today, 19 March 2026. Therefore, you're advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay or transcript reading. I'll now turn the call over to Peter Sack. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Because such statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward looking statements .
Speaker #2: We encourage you to refer to our most recent SEC filings for information on some of these risk factors Chicago Atlantic BDC, Inc. assumes no obligation or responsibility to update any forward looking statements .
Speaker #2: Please note that the information reported on this call speaks only as of today , March 19th , 2026 . Therefore , you're advised that time sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay or transcript reading .
Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call over to Peter Sack . Please go ahead Thanks , Tripp . Good morning everyone During the fourth quarter and the full year results continued to demonstrate that Chicago Atlantic BDC, Inc. is a uniquely positioned BDC , investing primarily in direct loans to privately held companies in niche markets .
Peter Sack: Thanks, Trip. Good morning, everyone. During the Q4 and the full year, the results continued to demonstrate that Chicago Atlantic BDC is a uniquely positioned BDC, investing primarily in direct loans to privately held companies in niche markets with the goal to deliver an attractive return while creating downside protection. We are one of the only public BDCs that is primarily focused on and able to lend to cannabis companies. We also focus on pockets of the lower middle market commonly overlooked by capital providers. We believe that this differentiation provides uncorrelated, distinct credit opportunities. Net investment income for the Q4 of 2025 was $0.36 per share and $1.45 for the full year, demonstrating the potential of the business model to generate a yield to book value of 2.7% for the Q4 and 11% for the year.
Peter Sack: Thanks, Trip. Good morning, everyone. During the Q4 and the full year, the results continued to demonstrate that Chicago Atlantic BDC is a uniquely positioned BDC, investing primarily in direct loans to privately held companies in niche markets with the goal to deliver an attractive return while creating downside protection. We are one of the only public BDCs that is primarily focused on and able to lend to cannabis companies. We also focus on pockets of the lower middle market commonly overlooked by capital providers. We believe that this differentiation provides uncorrelated, distinct credit opportunities. Net investment income for the Q4 of 2025 was $0.36 per share and $1.45 for the full year, demonstrating the potential of the business model to generate a yield to book value of 2.7% for the Q4 and 11% for the year.
Speaker #2: With the goal to deliver an attractive return while creating downside protection We are one of the only public bdc's that is primarily focused on and able to lend to cannabis companies .
Speaker #2: We also focus on pockets of the lower middle market , commonly overlooked by capital providers . We believe that this differentiation provides uncorrelated , distinct credit opportunities .
Speaker #2: Net investment income for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $0.36 per share and $1.45 for the full year, demonstrating the potential of the business model to generate a yield to book value of 2.7%.
Speaker #2: For the fourth quarter and 11% for the year During the fourth quarter , we executed on our pipeline funding 31.7 million across seven new investments , including for new borrowers , effectively utilizing additional capacity on our credit facility During the fourth quarter , the broader PDC market was impacted by negative sentiment among investors , with many more Pdcs trading below net asset value by the end of 2025 .
Peter Sack: During Q4, we executed on our pipeline, funding $31.7 million across 7 new investments, including 4 new borrowers, effectively utilizing additional capacity on our credit facility. During Q4, the broader BDC market was impacted by negative sentiment among investors, with many more BDCs trading below net asset value by the end of 2025. Investors placed less reliance on book value as a primary valuation metric and focused more on potential dividend cuts and losses in existing loan books. They were concerned that the froth in the private credit markets may have led to looser underwriting standards, potentially pressuring portfolio performance and driving higher defaults. Additionally, the drop in the Fed funds rate in December has caused fears that this will weigh on earnings and dividends.
Peter Sack: During Q4, we executed on our pipeline, funding $31.7 million across 7 new investments, including 4 new borrowers, effectively utilizing additional capacity on our credit facility. During Q4, the broader BDC market was impacted by negative sentiment among investors, with many more BDCs trading below net asset value by the end of 2025. Investors placed less reliance on book value as a primary valuation metric and focused more on potential dividend cuts and losses in existing loan books. They were concerned that the froth in the private credit markets may have led to looser underwriting standards, potentially pressuring portfolio performance and driving higher defaults. Additionally, the drop in the Fed funds rate in December has caused fears that this will weigh on earnings and dividends.
Speaker #2: Investors place less reliance on book value as a primary valuation metric, and focus more on potential dividend cuts and losses in existing loan books.
Speaker #2: They were concerned that the froth in the private credit markets may have led to looser underwriting standards , potentially pressuring portfolio performance and driving higher defaults Additionally , the drop in the fed funds rate in December has caused fears that this will weigh on earnings and dividends Meanwhile , in global markets , companies operating in the software industry , which were heavily backed by private credit , fell out of favor with the perception that AI would eliminate the need for their services .
Peter Sack: Meanwhile, in global markets, companies operating in the software industry, which were heavily backed by private credit, fell out of favor with the perception that AI would eliminate the needs for their services. Now there are developing concerns about the banks that have backed private credit. It's clear to us that Chicago Atlantic BDC stock is being influenced by negative sentiment currently surrounding the private credit markets. I think it's important for us to reiterate how differentiated Chicago Atlantic BDC is from the rest. Chicago Atlantic BDC operates within a unique intersection of credit, the emerging sector of the US cannabis industry, and lower middle markets underserved by other capital providers. Our thesis is simple. We apply best-in-class sector expertise, highly developed relationship-based sourcing capabilities, and fundamental credit and investment principles to make debt investments to borrowers with limited sources of debt capital.
Peter Sack: Meanwhile, in global markets, companies operating in the software industry, which were heavily backed by private credit, fell out of favor with the perception that AI would eliminate the needs for their services. Now there are developing concerns about the banks that have backed private credit. It's clear to us that Chicago Atlantic BDC stock is being influenced by negative sentiment currently surrounding the private credit markets. I think it's important for us to reiterate how differentiated Chicago Atlantic BDC is from the rest. Chicago Atlantic BDC operates within a unique intersection of credit, the emerging sector of the US cannabis industry, and lower middle markets underserved by other capital providers. Our thesis is simple. We apply best-in-class sector expertise, highly developed relationship-based sourcing capabilities, and fundamental credit and investment principles to make debt investments to borrowers with limited sources of debt capital.
Speaker #2: And now they're developing concerns about the banks that have backed private credit It's clear to us that Chicago Atlantic BDC, Inc. stock is being influenced by negative sentiment .
Speaker #2: Currently surrounding the private credit markets . I think it's important for us to reiterate how differentiated Chicago Atlantic BDC, Inc. from the rest Chicago Atlantic BDC, Inc. within a unique intersection of credit , the emerging sector of the US cannabis industry and lower middle markets underserved by other capital providers Our thesis is simple we apply best in class sector expertise , highly developed relationship based sourcing capabilities and fundamental credit and investment principles to make debt investments to borrowers with limited sources of debt , capital .
Speaker #2: We take advantage of limited lending competition to structure first what we believe to be differentiated downside risk of senior secured positions and second , a highly outsized return profile .
Peter Sack: We take advantage of limited lending competition to structure, first, what we believe to be differentiated downside risk of senior secured positions, and second, a highly outsized return profile relative to broader credit and lending portfolios. Our portfolio has extremely limited overlap with other private credit managers, and the drivers of current private credit market pressure simply are not relevant to us. We have limited exposure to software, receivables factoring, and no exposure to recent examples of fraud in some large syndicated facilities. Our focus areas have not experienced an over-allocation of capital, leading to compressed yields that we see across other sectors of private credit. Our strategy is built on a disciplined focus on credit and collateral. We work collaboratively with other borrowers to create value, and our work is executed by a team of originators and underwriters with deep industry and rigorous risk management expertise.
Peter Sack: We take advantage of limited lending competition to structure, first, what we believe to be differentiated downside risk of senior secured positions, and second, a highly outsized return profile relative to broader credit and lending portfolios. Our portfolio has extremely limited overlap with other private credit managers, and the drivers of current private credit market pressure simply are not relevant to us. We have limited exposure to software, receivables factoring, and no exposure to recent examples of fraud in some large syndicated facilities. Our focus areas have not experienced an over-allocation of capital, leading to compressed yields that we see across other sectors of private credit. Our strategy is built on a disciplined focus on credit and collateral. We work collaboratively with other borrowers to create value, and our work is executed by a team of originators and underwriters with deep industry and rigorous risk management expertise.
Speaker #2: Relative to broader credit and lending portfolios . Our portfolio has extremely limited overlap with other private credit managers and the drivers of current private credit market pressure simply are not relevant to us We have limited exposure to software receivables , factoring and no exposure to recent examples of fraud and some of some large syndicated facilities .
Speaker #2: Our focus areas have not experienced an over-allocation of capital, leading to compressed yields that we see across other sectors of private credit. Our strategy is built on a disciplined focus on credit and.
Speaker #2: We work collaboratively with other borrowers to create value, and our work is executed by a team of originators and underwriters with deep industry and rigorous risk management expertise.
Speaker #2: The metrics speak for themselves , so I will call out a few . The public BDC industry data points that I'm about to mention are taken from Raymond James BDC Weekly Insights .
Peter Sack: The metrics speak for themselves, so I will call out a few. The public BDC industry data points that I'm about to mention are taken from Raymond James BDC Weekly Insight as of 13 March 2026, and Oppenheimer's BDC Quarterly Report as of 16 December 2025. Our weighted average yield on debt investments as of 31 December 2025, was 15.8% compared to 10.8% for the average public BDC. 99.5% of our portfolio is senior secured compared to other BDCs who have an average of 24.9% exposure to subordinated debt, equity, and JV investments. 73% of the portfolio at par is either fixed rate or floating rate at floor, insulating the company against a drop in interest rates. Only 27% of the portfolio is impacted by a further decline in interest rates.
Peter Sack: The metrics speak for themselves, so I will call out a few. The public BDC industry data points that I'm about to mention are taken from Raymond James BDC Weekly Insight as of 13 March 2026, and Oppenheimer's BDC Quarterly Report as of 16 December 2025. Our weighted average yield on debt investments as of 31 December 2025, was 15.8% compared to 10.8% for the average public BDC. 99.5% of our portfolio is senior secured compared to other BDCs who have an average of 24.9% exposure to subordinated debt, equity, and JV investments. 73% of the portfolio at par is either fixed rate or floating rate at floor, insulating the company against a drop in interest rates. Only 27% of the portfolio is impacted by a further decline in interest rates.
Speaker #2: As of March 13th , 2026 , and Oppenheimer's BDC quarterly Quarterly Report as of December 16th , 2025 . Our weighted average yield on debt investments as of December 31st , 2025 , was 15.8% compared to 10.8% for the average public BDC , 99.5% of our portfolio is senior secured compared to other BDCs who have an average of 24.9% .
Speaker #2: Exposure to subordinated debt equity and JV investments 73% of the portfolio at par is either fixed rate or floating rate at floor insulating , the company against a drop in interest rates .
Speaker #2: Only 27% of the portfolio is impacted by a further decline in interest rates . We calculate that 100 basis point drop in rates only impacts NII of the company by approximately 1% .
Peter Sack: We calculate that a 100 basis point drop in rates only impacts NII of the company by approximately 1%. Only 3% of the portfolio is currently exposed to the software industry. Our unique investment strategy is focused on underserved markets, providing no overlap in investments made by any other public BDC that we are aware of. We conduct full due diligence on new credits ourselves instead of relying on underwriting conducted by bankers or co-investors, and we carefully monitor the performance of each of our portfolio companies ourselves. The portfolio is underlevered, with only $25 million of debt as of quarter end and with a 0.08x debt to equity ratio. This compares with the BDC average of 1.2x debt to equity.
Peter Sack: We calculate that a 100 basis point drop in rates only impacts NII of the company by approximately 1%. Only 3% of the portfolio is currently exposed to the software industry. Our unique investment strategy is focused on underserved markets, providing no overlap in investments made by any other public BDC that we are aware of. We conduct full due diligence on new credits ourselves instead of relying on underwriting conducted by bankers or co-investors, and we carefully monitor the performance of each of our portfolio companies ourselves. The portfolio is underlevered, with only $25 million of debt as of quarter end and with a 0.08x debt to equity ratio. This compares with the BDC average of 1.2x debt to equity.
Speaker #2: Only 3% of the portfolio is currently exposed to the software industry. Our unique investment strategy is focused on underserved markets, providing no overlap in investments made by any other public BDC that we are aware of.
Speaker #2: We conduct full due diligence on new credits ourselves instead of relying on underwriting conducted by bankers or co-investors , and we carefully monitor the performance of each of our portfolio companies ourselves .
Speaker #2: The portfolio is under levered , with only 25 million of debt as of quarter end , and with a 0.08 x debt to equity ratio .
Speaker #2: This compares with the BDC average of 1.2 times debt to equity . Assuming full utilization of our $100 million credit facility during the year , we would still be well below industry averages of leverage Lastly , we have no non-accruals compared with an industry average of 3.3% of cost Today , we announced a 34 cent dividend , marking the sixth consecutive quarter .
Peter Sack: Assuming full utilization of our $100 million credit facility during the year, we would still be well below industry averages of leverage. Lastly, we have no non-accruals compared with an industry average of 3.3% of cost. Today, we announced a $0.34 dividend, marking the sixth consecutive quarter at that rate. Total dividends paid out for the year now total $1.36 per share. The platform is performing well, exceeding returns from the larger BDC market with low downside risk and an expanding opportunity set. Recent M&A in the cannabis market has increased our pipeline for 2026. In addition, in recent months, there has been positive momentum in cannabis policy. At the federal level, there was a meaningful shift in December 2025, with the current administration committed to pursuing the reclassification of cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule III.
Peter Sack: Assuming full utilization of our $100 million credit facility during the year, we would still be well below industry averages of leverage. Lastly, we have no non-accruals compared with an industry average of 3.3% of cost. Today, we announced a $0.34 dividend, marking the sixth consecutive quarter at that rate. Total dividends paid out for the year now total $1.36 per share. The platform is performing well, exceeding returns from the larger BDC market with low downside risk and an expanding opportunity set. Recent M&A in the cannabis market has increased our pipeline for 2026. In addition, in recent months, there has been positive momentum in cannabis policy. At the federal level, there was a meaningful shift in December 2025, with the current administration committed to pursuing the reclassification of cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule III.
Speaker #2: At that rate , total dividends paid out for the year . Now total $1.36 per share . The platform is performing well , exceeding returns from the larger BDC market , with low downside risk and an expanding opportunity set .
Speaker #2: Recent M&A in the cannabis market has increased our pipeline for 2026. In addition, in recent months, there has been positive momentum in cannabis policy at the federal level.
Speaker #2: There was a meaningful shift in December 2025, with the current administration committed to pursuing the reclassification of cannabis from Schedule One to Schedule Three.
Speaker #2: While this is not legalization, rescheduling would represent a significant federal policy. As I've said before, rescheduling would dramatically increase cash flow after taxes for our borrowers.
Peter Sack: While this is not federal legalization, rescheduling would represent a significant federal policy. As I've said before, rescheduling would dramatically increase cash flow after taxes for our borrowers. In the short term, this would translate into higher equity valuations of both public and private cannabis companies. There would likely be increased M&A activity and higher capital expenditures driven by the higher free cash flow of operators, leading to greater opportunity for our platform. In the medium and long term, there's lingering uncertainty that would continue to limit investment until federal regulators put in place a regulatory framework for cannabis as a Schedule III substance. This continued ambiguity will continue to create challenges for US public listings and access to debt markets. We highlighted a slide in this quarter's supplemental on how this may set the stage for improved industry economics without opening the door for increased lending competition.
Peter Sack: While this is not federal legalization, rescheduling would represent a significant federal policy. As I've said before, rescheduling would dramatically increase cash flow after taxes for our borrowers. In the short term, this would translate into higher equity valuations of both public and private cannabis companies. There would likely be increased M&A activity and higher capital expenditures driven by the higher free cash flow of operators, leading to greater opportunity for our platform. In the medium and long term, there's lingering uncertainty that would continue to limit investment until federal regulators put in place a regulatory framework for cannabis as a Schedule III substance. This continued ambiguity will continue to create challenges for US public listings and access to debt markets. We highlighted a slide in this quarter's supplemental on how this may set the stage for improved industry economics without opening the door for increased lending competition.
Speaker #2: In the short term , this would translate into higher equity valuations of both public and private cannabis companies . There would likely be increased M&A activity and higher capital expenditures , driven by the higher free cash flow of operators , leading to greater opportunity for our platform in the medium and long term .
Speaker #2: There's lingering uncertainty that would continue to limit investment until federal regulators put in place a regulatory framework for cannabis as a Schedule III substance.
Speaker #2: This continued ambiguity will continue to create challenges for US public listings and access to debt markets . We highlighted a slide in this quarter supplemental on how this may set the stage for improved industry economics without opening the door for increased lending competition .
Speaker #2: We believe that Chicago Atlantic BDC, Inc. is well positioned to benefit from these developments. Although the success of our strategy is not dependent on these changes, we manage the business.
Peter Sack: We believe that Chicago Atlantic BDC is well positioned to benefit from these developments. Although the success of our strategy is not dependent on these changes, we manage the business assuming that the regulatory environment does not change. With this mindset, we will continue to pursue higher yields in niche markets where we believe the risk-reward is attractive, deploying available liquidity all while continuing to build a portfolio with strong credit metrics and protections. We have carved out a unique strategy with above-market returns, opportunity for growth, and limited competition. We have demonstrated that this strategy delivers positive results. Now I'll turn it over to Tom to discuss the numbers in greater detail.
Peter Sack: We believe that Chicago Atlantic BDC is well positioned to benefit from these developments. Although the success of our strategy is not dependent on these changes, we manage the business assuming that the regulatory environment does not change. With this mindset, we will continue to pursue higher yields in niche markets where we believe the risk-reward is attractive, deploying available liquidity all while continuing to build a portfolio with strong credit metrics and protections. We have carved out a unique strategy with above-market returns, opportunity for growth, and limited competition. We have demonstrated that this strategy delivers positive results. Now I'll turn it over to Tom to discuss the numbers in greater detail.
Speaker #2: Assuming that the regulatory environment does not change . With this mindset , we will continue to pursue higher yields in niche markets where we believe the risk reward is attractive .
Speaker #2: Deploying available liquidity , all while continuing to build a portfolio with strong credit metrics and protections . We have carved out a unique strategy with above market returns , opportunity for growth , and limited competition .
Speaker #2: We have demonstrated that this strategy delivers positive results . Now I'll turn it over to Tom to discuss the numbers in greater detail Good morning .
Thomas Geoffroy: Good morning. Thanks, Peter. I want to highlight the investor presentation that was filed with the SEC this morning that serves as our earnings supplemental. I'll start with the investment portfolio. We have 39 portfolio company investments. 25% of the portfolio is invested in non-cannabis companies across multiple sectors. The average credit investment size is approximately 2.4% of our debt portfolio at fair value. 73% of the debt portfolio is insulated from further interest rate declines due to either fixed rates or floating rate floors. The gross weighted average yield of the company's debt investment portfolio is approximately 15.8%, which is in line with the last quarter's yield, and none of our loans are on non-accrual status. As of 31 December 2025, the company had $25 million of debt outstanding, all of which was drawn from the revolving line of credit.
Tom Geoffroy: Good morning. Thanks, Peter. I want to highlight the investor presentation that was filed with the SEC this morning that serves as our earnings supplemental. I'll start with the investment portfolio. We have 39 portfolio company investments. 25% of the portfolio is invested in non-cannabis companies across multiple sectors. The average credit investment size is approximately 2.4% of our debt portfolio at fair value. 73% of the debt portfolio is insulated from further interest rate declines due to either fixed rates or floating rate floors. The gross weighted average yield of the company's debt investment portfolio is approximately 15.8%, which is in line with the last quarter's yield, and none of our loans are on non-accrual status. As of 31 December 2025, the company had $25 million of debt outstanding, all of which was drawn from the revolving line of credit.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Peter. I want to highlight the investor presentation that was filed with the SEC this morning. That serves as our earnings supplemental.
Speaker #2: I'll start with the investment portfolio . We have 39 portfolio company investments , 25% of the portfolio is invested in Non-cannabis companies across multiple sectors .
Speaker #2: The average credit investment size is approximately 2.4% of our debt portfolio. At fair value, 73% of the debt portfolio is insulated from further interest rate declines due to either fixed rates or floating rate floors.
Speaker #2: The gross weighted average yield of the company's debt investment portfolio is approximately 15.8%, which is in line with last quarter's yield.
Speaker #2: And none of our loans are on Nonaccrual status . As of December 31st , 2025 , the company had 25 million of debt outstanding .
Speaker #2: All of which was drawn from the revolving line of credit . As of March 18th , 2026 , the company had approximately 47.5 million of liquidity , comprised of 45.5 million of borrowing capacity under its $100 million credit facility , subject to borrowing base and other restrictions and approximately 2.2 million of cash .
Thomas Geoffroy: As of 18 March 2026, the company had approximately $47.5 million of liquidity, comprised of $45.5 million of borrowing capacity under its $100 million credit facility, subject to borrowing base, and other restrictions, and approximately $2.2 million of cash on the balance sheet. We started 2026 with ample liquidity and lower leverage than other BDCs, providing us the flexibility to deploy additional capital strategically. Financial highlights for Q4 were gross investment income totaling $14.2 million, compared to $15.1 million for Q3.
Tom Geoffroy: As of 18 March 2026, the company had approximately $47.5 million of liquidity, comprised of $45.5 million of borrowing capacity under its $100 million credit facility, subject to borrowing base, and other restrictions, and approximately $2.2 million of cash on the balance sheet. We started 2026 with ample liquidity and lower leverage than other BDCs, providing us the flexibility to deploy additional capital strategically. Financial highlights for Q4 were gross investment income totaling $14.2 million, compared to $15.1 million for Q3.
Speaker #2: On the balance sheet We started 2026 with ample liquidity and lower leverage than other BDCs , providing us the flexibility to deploy additional capital strategically Financial highlights for the fourth quarter were gross investment income totaling 14.2 million , compared to 15.1 million for the third quarter .
Speaker #2: The net decrease in investment income of approximately 0.9 million from the prior quarter was primarily due to one time fees from unscheduled repayments recognized in the third quarter of approximately 2 million , which were partially offset by increases of approximately 0.7 million in amendment and origination fees , and an increase of 0.4 million of interest income for the fourth quarter .
Thomas Geoffroy: The net decrease in investment income of approximately $0.9 million from the prior quarter was primarily due to one-time fees from unscheduled repayments recognized in Q3 of approximately $2 million, which were partially offset by increases of approximately $0.7 million in amendment and origination fees and an increase of $0.4 million of interest income for Q4. Net expenses for the quarter were $5.9 million, compared to $5.6 million in Q3. Net investment income for the quarter was $8.3 million or $0.36 per share, compared to $9.5 million or $0.42 per share in Q3. The decrease, again, was primarily due to the impact of one-time fees earned in Q3. Net assets totaled $303.4 million at quarter end.
Tom Geoffroy: The net decrease in investment income of approximately $0.9 million from the prior quarter was primarily due to one-time fees from unscheduled repayments recognized in Q3 of approximately $2 million, which were partially offset by increases of approximately $0.7 million in amendment and origination fees and an increase of $0.4 million of interest income for Q4. Net expenses for the quarter were $5.9 million, compared to $5.6 million in Q3. Net investment income for the quarter was $8.3 million or $0.36 per share, compared to $9.5 million or $0.42 per share in Q3. The decrease, again, was primarily due to the impact of one-time fees earned in Q3. Net assets totaled $303.4 million at quarter end.
Speaker #2: Net expenses for the quarter were 5.9 million , compared to 5.6 million in the third quarter . Net investment income for the quarter 8.3 million , or $0.36 per share , compared to 9.5 million , or $0.42 per share , in the third quarter .
Speaker #2: The decrease, again, was primarily due to the impact of one-time fees earned in the third quarter. Net assets totaled $303.4 million at quarter end.
Speaker #2: Net asset value per share was $13.30, compared to $13.27 in the third quarter. At quarter end, there were 22.8 million common shares issued and outstanding on a basic and fully diluted basis.
Thomas Geoffroy: Net asset value per share was $13.30, compared to $13.27 in Q3. At quarter end, there were 22.8 million common shares issued and outstanding on a basic, and fully diluted basis. I will now turn it over to Dino to talk about our originations efforts.
Tom Geoffroy: Net asset value per share was $13.30, compared to $13.27 in Q3. At quarter end, there were 22.8 million common shares issued and outstanding on a basic, and fully diluted basis. I will now turn it over to Dino to talk about our originations efforts.
Speaker #2: I will now turn it over to Dino to talk about our originations efforts.
Speaker #3: Thanks , Tom . During the fourth quarter , we funded $31.7 million in new debt investments to seven portfolio companies . Four of these investments are new borrowers to the BDC .
Dino Colonna: Thanks, Tom. During Q4, we funded $31.7 million in new debt investments to 7 portfolio companies. 4 of these investments are new borrowers to the BDC. Of these new debt investments, 100% of them were senior secured, and 89% are floating rate loans at their floor at quarter end. During Q4, we also had loan repayments and amortization totaling approximately $11 million, which included pay downs of $8.1 million. As of the end of Q4, there were approximately $25 million in total unfunded commitments for the portfolio. To date in Q1 2026, we have funded $93.9 million in new investments to 7 borrowers, of which 3 were new to the BDC. Included in this was a refinance of $38.3 million to our largest borrower.
Dino Colonna: Thanks, Tom. During Q4, we funded $31.7 million in new debt investments to 7 portfolio companies. 4 of these investments are new borrowers to the BDC. Of these new debt investments, 100% of them were senior secured, and 89% are floating rate loans at their floor at quarter end. During Q4, we also had loan repayments and amortization totaling approximately $11 million, which included pay downs of $8.1 million. As of the end of Q4, there were approximately $25 million in total unfunded commitments for the portfolio. To date in Q1 2026, we have funded $93.9 million in new investments to 7 borrowers, of which 3 were new to the BDC. Included in this was a refinance of $38.3 million to our largest borrower.
Speaker #3: Of these new debt investments , 100% of them were senior secured and 89% are floating rate loans at their floor at quarter end .
Speaker #3: During the fourth quarter , we also had loan repayments and amortization totaling approximately 11 million , which included paydowns of 8.1 million . As of the end of the fourth quarter , there were approximately 25 million in total unfunded commitments for the portfolio .
Speaker #3: The date in the first quarter of 2026 . We have funded 93.9 million in new investments to seven borrowers , of which three were new to the BDC .
Speaker #3: Included in this was a refinance of 38.3 million to our largest borrower . We are excited to have delivered a bespoke solution to the company that met their needs .
Dino Colonna: We are excited to have delivered a bespoke solution to the company that met their needs while maintaining an attractive and well-structured investment for the portfolio. We have had $55.7 million in payoffs from borrowers quarter to date, resulting in approximately $40 million in net originations thus far in 2026. The pipeline across the Chicago Atlantic platform as of quarter end, which includes cannabis and non-cannabis opportunities, totaled approximately $732 million in potential debt transactions. The breakdown of the opportunity set includes approximately $616 million in cannabis opportunities and approximately $116 million in non-cannabis opportunities. As Tom mentioned, we have approximately $48 million of liquidity to grow the portfolio. As always, we will maintain our disciplined approach to underwriting and structuring investments that deliver above-market risk-adjusted returns.
Dino Colonna: We are excited to have delivered a bespoke solution to the company that met their needs while maintaining an attractive and well-structured investment for the portfolio. We have had $55.7 million in payoffs from borrowers quarter to date, resulting in approximately $40 million in net originations thus far in 2026. The pipeline across the Chicago Atlantic platform as of quarter end, which includes cannabis and non-cannabis opportunities, totaled approximately $732 million in potential debt transactions. The breakdown of the opportunity set includes approximately $616 million in cannabis opportunities and approximately $116 million in non-cannabis opportunities. As Tom mentioned, we have approximately $48 million of liquidity to grow the portfolio. As always, we will maintain our disciplined approach to underwriting and structuring investments that deliver above-market risk-adjusted returns.
Speaker #3: While maintaining an attractive and well structured investment for the portfolio . We have had 55.7 million in payoffs from borrowers quarter to date , resulting in approximately 40 million in net originations thus far in 2026 .
Speaker #3: The pipeline across the Atlantic platform as of quarter end, which includes cannabis and non-cannabis opportunities, totaled approximately $732 million in potential debt transactions.
Speaker #3: The breakdown of the opportunity set includes approximately 616 million in cannabis opportunities and approximately 116 million in Non-cannabis opportunities . As Tom mentioned , we have approximately 48 million of liquidity to grow the portfolio .
Speaker #3: But as always , we will maintain our disciplined approach to underwriting and structuring investments that deliver above market risk adjusted returns . We've had to show patience in the past when the markets around us seem to underprice risk , and that patience has paid off because we have the portfolio strength and liquidity go offense when many other private credit managers are busy playing defense .
Dino Colonna: We've had to show patience in the past when the markets around us seem to underprice risk, and that patience has paid off because we have the portfolio strength and liquidity to go on offense when many other private credit managers are busy playing defense. Both the cannabis and non-cannabis verticals continue to perform well within the portfolio, while demand for new debt capital within the lower middle markets remains healthy. As Peter mentioned, recent M&A activity in the cannabis industry has been a positive for our pipeline. Our discipline and thoughtful approach to sourcing and structuring investments has resulted in a portfolio with low correlation to other asset classes and the broader private credit markets.
Dino Colonna: We've had to show patience in the past when the markets around us seem to underprice risk, and that patience has paid off because we have the portfolio strength and liquidity to go on offense when many other private credit managers are busy playing defense. Both the cannabis and non-cannabis verticals continue to perform well within the portfolio, while demand for new debt capital within the lower middle markets remains healthy. As Peter mentioned, recent M&A activity in the cannabis industry has been a positive for our pipeline. Our discipline and thoughtful approach to sourcing and structuring investments has resulted in a portfolio with low correlation to other asset classes and the broader private credit markets.
Speaker #3: Both the cannabis and non-cannabis verticals continue to perform well within the portfolio. While demand for new debt capital within the lower middle markets remains healthy.
Speaker #3: As Peter mentioned, recent M&A activity in the cannabis industry has been a positive for our pipeline. Our discipline and thoughtful approach to sourcing and structuring investments has resulted in a portfolio correlation to other asset classes and the broader private credit markets.
Speaker #3: This differentiated portfolio has been intentionally constructed and is a direct result of how we approach creating value for our investors, and they include investing in underserved market niches, which allows for favorable downside protection with pricing power.
Dino Colonna: This differentiated portfolio has been intentionally constructed and is a direct result of how we approach creating value for our investors, and they include investing in underserved market niches, which allows for favorable downside protection with pricing power. We have a limited reliance on sponsor-driven deal flow, so we tend to maintain control over underwriting, structuring, and documentation. We believe that not chasing the ultra-competitive parts of the market translates to better credit performance in the long run. We perform our own rigorous due diligence on all of our investments. Our strategy remains almost entirely focused on first lien senior secured loans that are structured with lender-friendly covenants. The underlying strength of the portfolio and structural protections from further interest rate risk has allowed us to continue to generate a stable and durable dividend.
Dino Colonna: This differentiated portfolio has been intentionally constructed and is a direct result of how we approach creating value for our investors, and they include investing in underserved market niches, which allows for favorable downside protection with pricing power. We have a limited reliance on sponsor-driven deal flow, so we tend to maintain control over underwriting, structuring, and documentation. We believe that not chasing the ultra-competitive parts of the market translates to better credit performance in the long run. We perform our own rigorous due diligence on all of our investments. Our strategy remains almost entirely focused on first lien senior secured loans that are structured with lender-friendly covenants. The underlying strength of the portfolio and structural protections from further interest rate risk has allowed us to continue to generate a stable and durable dividend.
Speaker #3: We have a limited reliance on sponsored , driven deal flow . So we tend to control over underwriting , structuring and documentation . And we believe that not chasing the ultra competitive parts of the market translates to better credit performance in the long run .
Speaker #3: We perform our own rigorous due diligence on all of our investments, and our strategy remains almost entirely focused on first lien senior secured loans that are structured with lender-friendly covenants.
Speaker #3: The underlying strength of the portfolio and structural protections from further interest rate risk has allowed us to continue to generate a stable and durable dividend .
Speaker #3: The underlying loans in the portfolio also continue to demonstrate significant health overall , with low net leverage , high interest coverage , and no non-accruals .
Dino Colonna: The underlying loans in the portfolio also continue to demonstrate significant health overall, with low net leverage, high interest coverage, and no non-accruals. There's also no overlap with investments made by other public BDCs that we are aware of. Finally, the portfolio is under-leveraged compared to industry standards. Periods of macro uncertainty tend to expose underwriting shortcuts and reward discipline. While market anxiety today is real, our consistent, repeatable approach has positioned us well for what we believe is an increasingly attractive deployment environment. We do not compete by chasing large sponsor-driven deals or by stretching on leverage, structure, or pricing. Our focus remains on disciplined sourcing, conservative structuring, and rigorous underwriting. That is how the platform was built, and it is how we intend to grow.
Dino Colonna: The underlying loans in the portfolio also continue to demonstrate significant health overall, with low net leverage, high interest coverage, and no non-accruals. There's also no overlap with investments made by other public BDCs that we are aware of. Finally, the portfolio is under-leveraged compared to industry standards. Periods of macro uncertainty tend to expose underwriting shortcuts and reward discipline. While market anxiety today is real, our consistent, repeatable approach has positioned us well for what we believe is an increasingly attractive deployment environment. We do not compete by chasing large sponsor-driven deals or by stretching on leverage, structure, or pricing. Our focus remains on disciplined sourcing, conservative structuring, and rigorous underwriting. That is how the platform was built, and it is how we intend to grow.
Speaker #3: There's also no overlap with investments made by other public BDCs that we are aware of , and finally , the portfolio is underleveraged compared to industry standards , periods of macro uncertainty tend to expose underwriting shortcuts and reward discipline , while market anxiety today is real , are consistent , repeatable approach has positioned us well for what we believe is an increasingly attractive deployment environment .
Speaker #3: We do not compete by chasing large sponsor-driven deals or by stretching on leveraged structure or pricing. While focus remains on disciplined sourcing, conservative structuring, and rigorous underwriting.
Speaker #3: That is how the platform was built , and it is how we intend to grow . We believe this approach has produced and will continue to produce an idiosyncratic credit opportunity that targets above market returns with a strong emphasis on capital preservation .
Dino Colonna: We believe this approach has produced and will continue to produce an idiosyncratic credit opportunity that targets above-market returns with a strong emphasis on capital preservation. Thank you for your continued support, and we look forward to updating you again next quarter. Operator, we are now ready for questions.
Dino Colonna: We believe this approach has produced and will continue to produce an idiosyncratic credit opportunity that targets above-market returns with a strong emphasis on capital preservation. Thank you for your continued support, and we look forward to updating you again next quarter. Operator, we are now ready for questions.
Speaker #3: Thank you for your continued support, and we look forward to updating you again next quarter. Operator, we are now ready for questions.
Speaker #1: Thank you . We will now begin the question and answer session to ask a question . You may press star , then one on your touchtone phone .
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Speaker #1: Then two . At this time , we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster The first question today comes from Pablo Zuanic with Zuanic in Associates .
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Speaker #4: Thank you and good morning , everyone . Look , just , I guess , a two part question , but first , in terms of housekeeping , when you talk about the $732 million pipeline , is that for the Chicago Atlantic Group as a platform or for Leon specifically ?
Pablo Zuanic: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Look, just I guess a two-part question, but first in terms of housekeeping, when you talk about the $732 million pipeline, is that for the Chicago Atlantic Group as a platform or for LIEN specifically? Then I was looking at the Q3 press release. I don't think a pipeline number was given then. If you can just talk about how much the pipeline grew between November and now March. That's the first part to the question is housekeeping. The second part is that I know you addressed it in part, but you know, obviously we had 18 December, right, executive order. Talk about how discussions are playing out with the potential borrowers out there. Has there been a bit of a cadence?
Pablo Zuanic: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Look, just I guess a two-part question, but first in terms of housekeeping, when you talk about the $732 million pipeline, is that for the Chicago Atlantic Group as a platform or for LIEN specifically? Then I was looking at the Q3 press release. I don't think a pipeline number was given then. If you can just talk about how much the pipeline grew between November and now March. That's the first part to the question is housekeeping. The second part is that I know you addressed it in part, but you know, obviously we had 18 December, right, executive order. Talk about how discussions are playing out with the potential borrowers out there. Has there been a bit of a cadence?
Speaker #4: And then I was looking at the third quarter press release . I don't think a pipeline number was given then , but if you can just just talk about how much the pipeline grew between November and now March , that's the first part of your question is housekeeping .
Speaker #4: Then the second part is that I know you addressed it in part , but , you know , obviously we had December 18th , right Executive order .
Speaker #4: Talk about how discussions are playing out with the potential borrowers out there been a bit of a cadence ? Maybe there was a lot of discussions in December , January , but here we are in March and we still don't have news .
Pablo Zuanic: Maybe there was a lot of discussions in December, January, but here we are in March and we still don't have news on rescheduling. Has that changed? If you can just talk about the cadence and how the discussions have changed with operators, in general. Thank you.
Pablo Zuanic: Maybe there was a lot of discussions in December, January, but here we are in March and we still don't have news on rescheduling. Has that changed? If you can just talk about the cadence and how the discussions have changed with operators, in general. Thank you.
Speaker #4: On rescheduling . Has that changed ? If you can just talk about the cadence and how the discussions have changed with operators in general ?
Speaker #4: Thank you .
Speaker #3: Yes . Thank you . Pablo . Hey , Pablo , maybe I'll just just quickly on the pipeline that's across the entire platform .
Peter Sack: Yep. Thank you, Pablo. Hey, Pablo. Just quickly on the pipeline. That's across the entire platform. Last quarter we reported approximately $600 million of a pipeline. So that's a pretty nice increase to the $700 and change we just mentioned.
Peter Sack: Yep. Thank you, Pablo. Hey, Pablo. Just quickly on the pipeline. That's across the entire platform. Last quarter we reported approximately $600 million of a pipeline. So that's a pretty nice increase to the $700 and change we just mentioned.
Speaker #3: And last quarter was we reported approximately 600 million of pipeline . So that's a pretty nice increase to the 700 and change . We just mentioned .
Speaker #5: Thanks
Pablo Zuanic: Thanks.
Pablo Zuanic: Thanks.
Peter Sack: Excuse me. I'll start with your last question, Pablo, as it relates to pipeline. Rescheduling, I think, it has breathed a new fresh air of optimism into the industry. We're seeing it from a couple perspectives. We're seeing greater eagerness to execute on consolidation as larger players see potentially a short window to execute acquisitions before rescheduling becomes effective. On the supply side, we're seeing greater eagerness of operators who have stayed on the sidelines, not pursuing exits in a very low valuation environment, starting to cross the sidelines to consider exiting or selling their business. All of that volume, all of that transaction activity is positive for LIEN because it creates more new opportunities to provide financing.
Speaker #6: Excuse me I'll start with your . I'll start with your last question , Pablo . And it relates to pipeline . We reschedule , I think is has breathed a new fresh air of optimism into the industry .
Peter Sack: Excuse me. I'll start with your last question, Pablo, as it relates to pipeline. Rescheduling, I think, it has breathed a new fresh air of optimism into the industry. We're seeing it from a couple perspectives. We're seeing greater eagerness to execute on consolidation as larger players see potentially a short window to execute acquisitions before rescheduling becomes effective. On the supply side, we're seeing greater eagerness of operators who have stayed on the sidelines, not pursuing exits in a very low valuation environment, starting to cross the sidelines to consider exiting or selling their business. All of that volume, all of that transaction activity is positive for LIEN because it creates more new opportunities to provide financing.
Speaker #6: We're seeing it from a couple perspectives . We're seeing greater eagerness to execute on consolidation as larger players see potentially a short window and execute acquisitions before rescheduling becomes effective .
Speaker #6: And then on the supply side , we're seeing greater eagerness of operators who have stayed on the sidelines not pursuing exits in a very low valuation environment , starting to come off the sidelines to consider exiting or selling their business and all of that , all of that volume , all of that transaction activity is positive for lean because it creates more new opportunities to provide financing .
Speaker #6: And then I think more difficult to quantify across the industries . You're seeing a general , stronger willingness to for operators to invest in their businesses and invest in growth .
Peter Sack: I think more difficult to quantify across the industry is just seeing a general stronger willingness to invest for operators to invest in their businesses and invest in growth.
Peter Sack: I think more difficult to quantify across the industry is just seeing a general stronger willingness to invest for operators to invest in their businesses and invest in growth.
Speaker #5: Right ?
Pablo Zuanic: Right. Just to follow up on that same point, at the state level, given the news flow right now on Virginia, I guess Pennsylvania is more a question mark. Do you want to highlight any states where you're seeing more activity in terms of potential catalysts at the state level?
Pablo Zuanic: Right. Just to follow up on that same point, at the state level, given the news flow right now on Virginia, I guess Pennsylvania is more a question mark. Do you want to highlight any states where you're seeing more activity in terms of potential catalysts at the state level?
Speaker #4: And just to follow up on that same point at the state level , given the news flow right on on Virginia , I guess Pennsylvania is more a question mark .
Speaker #4: Do you want to highlight any states where you're seeing more activity in terms of potential catalysts at the state level
Peter Sack: I'd say the thoughts are still early in Pennsylvania, but certainly eagerness in Virginia. I think the consolidation tends to be focused on states where the fundamental economics are attractive. We're still seeing lots of consolidation activity in Ohio, Missouri, and Maryland to some extent. More mature states that have seen stabilizations in their market, including legacy states like Colorado and California.
Peter Sack: I'd say the thoughts are still early in Pennsylvania, but certainly eagerness in Virginia. I think the consolidation tends to be focused on states where the fundamental economics are attractive. We're still seeing lots of consolidation activity in Ohio, Missouri, and Maryland to some extent. More mature states that have seen stabilizations in their market, including legacy states like Colorado and California.
Speaker #6: Thoughts are still early in Pennsylvania , but certainly eagerness in Virginia . And I think the consolidation is is consolidation tends to be focused on states where .
Speaker #6: In states where the fundamental economics are attractive and we're still seeing lots of consolidation activity in Ohio , Missouri and Maryland to some extent And more more mature states that have seen stabilization in their market , including legacy states like Colorado and California
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Pablo Zuanic: Thank you. Then in terms of the credit facility, obviously you gave the numbers for March 18, $100 million in total. Is there room to increase that revolver in 2026, or would that be difficult right now?
Pablo Zuanic: Thank you. Then in terms of the credit facility, obviously you gave the numbers for March 18, $100 million in total. Is there room to increase that revolver in 2026, or would that be difficult right now?
Speaker #4: And then in terms of the credit facility , obviously , you gave the numbers for March 18th , 100 million in total . Is there room to increase that that revolver in 2026 or that would be difficult right .
Speaker #5: Now
Peter Sack: It certainly is possible. There are other options of financing available to BDCs, including unsecured financings.
Speaker #6: It's certainly possible . And then there are other options of financing available to BDCs , including unsecured financings
Peter Sack: It certainly is possible. There are other options of financing available to BDCs, including unsecured financings.
Speaker #4: But obviously , issuing equity would not be an option given the discount to par value . Right ?
Pablo Zuanic: Obviously issuing equity would not be an option given the discount to par value, right?
Pablo Zuanic: Obviously issuing equity would not be an option given the discount to par value, right?
Speaker #5: Right . Okay . Thank you .
Peter Sack: Right.
Peter Sack: Right.
Pablo Zuanic: Okay. Thank you. Then, look, I mean, obviously totally agree with the fresh air and the new optimism in the industry, of course. When I look at some of your new loans, like in Q4, yes, about $14 million on a new with Illicit, right, the new company enterprises. There was just one borrower, one new borrower on the cannabis side, and I think three on the non-cannabis side. I don't know what's that ratio for Q1. I'm just trying to say, yes, we have to focus on the par value, right? There was more lent to cannabis than to non-cannabis. In terms of operators, it seems that you're increasing much faster the number of borrowers in terms of operators, on the non-cannabis side versus cannabis.
Pablo Zuanic: Okay. Thank you. Then, look, I mean, obviously totally agree with the fresh air and the new optimism in the industry, of course. When I look at some of your new loans, like in Q4, yes, about $14 million on a new with Illicit, right, the new company enterprises. There was just one borrower, one new borrower on the cannabis side, and I think three on the non-cannabis side. I don't know what's that ratio for Q1. I'm just trying to say, yes, we have to focus on the par value, right? There was more lent to cannabis than to non-cannabis. In terms of operators, it seems that you're increasing much faster the number of borrowers in terms of operators, on the non-cannabis side versus cannabis.
Speaker #4: And then look , I mean , obviously totally agree with the fresh air and the new optimism in the industry . Of course .
Speaker #4: But when I look at some of your new loans , like in the fourth quarter , yes , about 14 million on a new with a elicit , right .
Speaker #4: The new company enterprises, but there was just one borrower, one new borrower on the cannabis side. And I think three on the non-cannabis.
Speaker #5: Side .
Speaker #4: And I don't know what , what's , what's that ratio for ? For the first quarter . I'm just trying to say , yes , we have to focus on the par value .
Speaker #4: Right ? So there was more length to cannabis than to non cannabis . But in terms of operators , it seems that you are increasing much faster .
Speaker #4: The number of borrowers in terms of operators on the non-cannabis side versus cannabis , you want to share some , some some light on that or just by definition , loans to smaller to middle market companies in cannabis will be smaller than cannabis loans .
Pablo Zuanic: You want to share some light on that? Or just by definition, loans to smaller-to-middle-market companies in non-cannabis will be smaller than cannabis company loans.
Pablo Zuanic: You want to share some light on that? Or just by definition, loans to smaller-to-middle-market companies in non-cannabis will be smaller than cannabis company loans.
Speaker #6: It's more the latter . We consistently our non-cannabis positions in that portfolio of non-cannabis positions is going to reflect a much more diversified portfolio of positions and issuers than our cannabis positions .
Peter Sack: It's more the latter. We construct our non-cannabis positions, and that portfolio of non-cannabis positions is going to reflect a much more diversified portfolio of positions and issuers than our cannabis positions.
Peter Sack: It's more the latter. We construct our non-cannabis positions, and that portfolio of non-cannabis positions is going to reflect a much more diversified portfolio of positions and issuers than our cannabis positions.
Speaker #6: Okay .
Pablo Zuanic: Okay. Then if you can, you spoke about in Q1 in terms of the new loans. You spoke about a bespoke solution for one of your operators. You wanna share more color in terms of what was that specifically? Maybe on the borrowing.
Pablo Zuanic: Okay. Then if you can, you spoke about in Q1 in terms of the new loans. You spoke about a bespoke solution for one of your operators. You wanna share more color in terms of what was that specifically? Maybe on the borrowing.
Speaker #4: And then if you can , you spoke about in the in the first quarter in terms of the new loans , you spoke about a bespoke solution for one of your operators .
Speaker #4: Do you want to share more color in terms of what was that specifically ? And maybe on the borrower
Peter Sack: I'm reluctant to provide the borrower names because we have not disclosed it in this specific filing. In this case, this was a first out, last out financing in partnership with a large financial institution. We're finding that as the industry matures, partnership with bank partners can provide both attractive return and risk profiles for lenders such as Chicago Atlantic, while also providing increasingly competitive and sustainable credit facilities for some of the larger, most credit-worthy operators in the space.
Speaker #6: I'm reluctant to provide the borrower names because we have not disclosed it in any specific way in this specific filing. But in this case, this was a first out, last out financing in partnership with a large financial institution.
Peter Sack: I'm reluctant to provide the borrower names because we have not disclosed it in this specific filing. In this case, this was a first out, last out financing in partnership with a large financial institution. We're finding that as the industry matures, partnership with bank partners can provide both attractive return and risk profiles for lenders such as Chicago Atlantic, while also providing increasingly competitive and sustainable credit facilities for some of the larger, most credit-worthy operators in the space.
Speaker #6: We're finding we're finding that as the industry matures , partnership with his bank partners can provide both attractive return and risk profiles for lenders such as Chicago Atlantic , while also providing increasingly competitive and sustainable credit facilities for some of the larger , most creditworthy operators in the space
Speaker #4: Right . I'm going to add two more questions and apologies if there's anyone else on the queue in terms of repayments that we saw in the fourth quarter and the ones we've seen so far in the first quarter , you know , does that come as a bit of a surprise ?
Pablo Zuanic: Right. I'm gonna add two more questions, and apologies if there's anyone else on the queue. In terms of repayments that we saw in Q4 and the ones you've seen so far in Q1, you know, does that come as a bit of a surprise? I mean, at least in terms of my modeling, it's a lot more than I had expected, and I don't understand what's driving that or is it just normal for the course of business? Thank you.
Pablo Zuanic: Right. I'm gonna add two more questions, and apologies if there's anyone else on the queue. In terms of repayments that we saw in Q4 and the ones you've seen so far in Q1, you know, does that come as a bit of a surprise? I mean, at least in terms of my modeling, it's a lot more than I had expected, and I don't understand what's driving that or is it just normal for the course of business? Thank you.
Speaker #4: I mean, at least in terms of my modeling, it's a lot more than I had expected. And I don't understand what's driving that.
Speaker #4: Or is it just normal for the course of business ? Thank .
Peter Sack: You're asking, was the originations volume as a subsequent event a surprise?
Speaker #6: You're asking, was the originations volume as a subsequent event a surprise?
Peter Sack: You're asking, was the originations volume as a subsequent event a surprise?
Speaker #4: No no no no no . The origination . I'm talking about the repayments that the early repayments or unscheduled repayments that took place both in the fourth quarter and so far in the first quarter , it seems to me that I mean , I know it's hard to model and anticipate , right ?
Pablo Zuanic: No, no. Not the origination. I'm talking about the repayments that the early repayments or unscheduled repayments that took place both in Q4 and so far in Q1. It seems to me that, I mean, I know it's hard to model and anticipate, right? They are unscheduled. It just seems to me that they've been a lot more than I had expected, and I'm wondering what's driving that. More opportunities for those borrowers out there, you know, other solutions. I'm just trying to understand the book growth in terms of gross origination has been great, so obviously, congratulations. I think in terms of repayments has been maybe more than I had expected and maybe more than you had expected, and I'm just trying to understand what has been driving that.
Pablo Zuanic: No, no. Not the origination. I'm talking about the repayments that the early repayments or unscheduled repayments that took place both in Q4 and so far in Q1. It seems to me that, I mean, I know it's hard to model and anticipate, right? They are unscheduled. It just seems to me that they've been a lot more than I had expected, and I'm wondering what's driving that. More opportunities for those borrowers out there, you know, other solutions. I'm just trying to understand the book growth in terms of gross origination has been great, so obviously, congratulations. I think in terms of repayments has been maybe more than I had expected and maybe more than you had expected, and I'm just trying to understand what has been driving that.
Speaker #4: They are unscheduled , but it just seems to me that they've been a lot more than I had expected . And I'm wondering what's what's driving that more opportunities for those borrowers out there , you know , other solutions .
Speaker #4: I'm just trying to understand the book growth in terms of growth of origination has been great. So obviously, congratulations. But I think in terms of repayments, it has been maybe more than I had expected, maybe more than you had expected.
Speaker #4: And I'm just trying to understand what has been driving that
Peter Sack: As far as payoffs in Q4, the payoffs have been idiosyncratic across a fairly large number of borrowers with relatively small individual positions. I do think it is reflective of that broader transaction activity that's accelerated within the market. The broader transaction activity means both more frequent financing opportunities, but also more frequent refinancing opportunities of our existing portfolio. With regard to originations and payoffs, as a subsequent event, the large origination and the large pay down were connected and were the same borrower.
Speaker #6: As far as payoffs in Q4 . The payoffs have been idiosyncratic across a large a fairly large number of borrowers , relatively small , relatively small in individual positions .
Peter Sack: As far as payoffs in Q4, the payoffs have been idiosyncratic across a fairly large number of borrowers with relatively small individual positions. I do think it is reflective of that broader transaction activity that's accelerated within the market. The broader transaction activity means both more frequent financing opportunities, but also more frequent refinancing opportunities of our existing portfolio. With regard to originations and payoffs, as a subsequent event, the large origination and the large pay down were connected and were the same borrower.
Speaker #6: But I do think it is reflective of that broader transaction activity that's accelerated within the market. The broader transaction activity means both more frequent financing opportunities, but also more frequent refinancing opportunities of our existing portfolio.
Speaker #6: With regard to originations and payoffs, as a subsequent event, the large origination and the large paydown were connected and were the same borrower.
Pablo Zuanic: Okay, that's good. Thank you. That's all for me. Thank you.
Pablo Zuanic: Okay, that's good. Thank you. That's all for me. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Okay, that's good. Thank you. That's all for me. Thanks.
Operator: The next question comes from Mitchel Penn with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Mitchel Penn with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: The next question comes from Mitchell Penn with Oppenheimer . Please go ahead .
Mitchel Penn: Morning, guys. Hey, just following up on Pablo's question. You talked about the states. Is it possible to get disclosures on which states these companies are in?
Mitchel Penn: Morning, guys. Hey, just following up on Pablo's question. You talked about the states. Is it possible to get disclosures on which states these companies are in?
Speaker #7: Morning , guys . Hey , just following up on Pablo's question . You talked about the states is it is it possible to get disclosures on which states these companies are in
Peter Sack: We will explore that for next quarter.
Peter Sack: We will explore that for next quarter.
Speaker #6: We will explore that for next quarter .
Mitchel Penn: a second question. Can you remind us in terms of your valuations, you know, BDCs, all BDCs sort of employ third-party valuation services and they use them in different ways. Can you walk us through how you guys use third parties in the valuation services for your portfolio? Because it is a little different than most of the BDCs, as you mentioned.
Speaker #7: In a second question in can you remind us , in terms of your valuations You know , BDCs all BDC sort of employ third party valuation services , and they use them in different ways .
Mitchel Penn: a second question. Can you remind us in terms of your valuations, you know, BDCs, all BDCs sort of employ third-party valuation services and they use them in different ways. Can you walk us through how you guys use third parties in the valuation services for your portfolio? Because it is a little different than most of the BDCs, as you mentioned.
Speaker #7: Can you walk us through how you guys use third parties in the valuation services for your portfolio? Because it is a little different than most of the BDCs, as you mentioned.
Peter Sack: We utilize a third-party valuation provider to value every position each quarter.
Peter Sack: We utilize a third-party valuation provider to value every position each quarter.
Speaker #6: We utilize the third party valuation provider to value every position each quarter . The BDC , other other BDC managers opt to use third party advisors for , in some cases , for each position only once per year , rely on internal valuations through the balance of the year and we've opted to provide a more transparent and consistent approach .
Mitchel Penn: Uh, it-it-
Mitchel Penn: Uh, it-it-
Peter Sack: Other BDC managers opt to use third-party advisors for, in some cases, for each position only once per year.
Peter Sack: Other BDC managers opt to use third-party advisors for, in some cases, for each position only once per year.
Mitchel Penn: Yeah.
Mitchel Penn: Yeah.
Peter Sack: Rely on internal valuations through the balance of the year. We've opted to provide a more transparent and consistent approach.
Peter Sack: Rely on internal valuations through the balance of the year. We've opted to provide a more transparent and consistent approach.
Mitchel Penn: Got it. Thanks. My last question. What percent of the portfolio overlaps with REFI?
Mitchel Penn: Got it. Thanks. My last question. What percent of the portfolio overlaps with REFI?
Speaker #7: Got it . Thanks . And my last question is there is what percent of the portfolio overlaps with refi
Peter Sack: We haven't published that number historically, and I think we will take it under consideration for next quarter in conjunction with your question on state-by-state exposure.
Peter Sack: We haven't published that number historically, and I think we will take it under consideration for next quarter in conjunction with your question on state-by-state exposure.
Speaker #6: We haven't published that number historically , but I think we would take it under consideration for next quarter in conjunction with your question on Excuse me , state by state exposure .
Mitchel Penn: Okay. Thanks. That's all for me. Thanks so much, guys.
Mitchel Penn: Okay. Thanks. That's all for me. Thanks so much, guys.
Speaker #7: Okay , thanks . That's all for me . Thanks so much , guys .
Peter Sack: Thank you, Mitchell.
Peter Sack: Thank you, Mitchell.
Speaker #6: Thank you . Mitchell .
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