Q4 2025 Hallador Energy Co Earnings Call

March 12, 2026

Operator: Good afternoon, and thank you for attending Hallador Energy's Q4 and full year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following our prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would like to turn the conference over to Sean Mansouri, the company's investor relations advisor for Elevate IR. Please go ahead, Sean.

Speaker #1: Following our prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this call is being recorded.

Speaker #1: I now like to turn the conference over to Sean Mansouri, the company's investor relations advisor for Elevate IR. Please go ahead, Sean.

Speaker #2: Thank you. And good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining us to discuss our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. With me today are President and CEO Brent Bilsland, and CFO Todd Telesz.

Sean Mansouri: Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining us to discuss our Q4 and full year 2025 results. With me today are President and CEO, Brent Bilsland, and CFO, Todd Telesz. This afternoon, we released our Q4 and full year 2025 financial and operating results in a press release that is now on the Hallador investor relations website. Today, we will discuss those results as well as our perspective on current market conditions and our outlook. Following prepared remarks, we will open the call to answer your questions. Before we begin, a reminder that some of our remarks today may include forward-looking statements subject to a variety of risks, uncertainties, and assumptions contained in our filings from time to time with the SEC and are also reflected in today's press release.

Speaker #2: This afternoon, we released our fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial and operating results, in a press release that is now on the HALLADOR Investor Relations website.

Speaker #2: Today, we will discuss those results as well as our perspective on current market conditions and our outlook. Following prepared remarks, we will open the call to answer your questions.

Speaker #2: Before we begin, a reminder that some of our remarks today may include forward-looking statements, subject to a variety of risks, uncertainties, and assumptions contained in our filings from time to time with the SEC, and are also reflected in today's press release.

Speaker #2: While these forward-looking statements are based on information currently available to us, if one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize, or if our underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary materially from those we projected or expected.

Sean Mansouri: While these forward-looking statements are based on information currently available to us, if one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize, or if our underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary materially from those we projected or expected. In providing these remarks, Hallador has no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, unless required by law to do so. With the preliminaries out of the way, I'll turn the call over to President and CEO, Brent Bilsland.

Speaker #2: In providing these remarks, HALLADOR has no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, unless required by law to do so.

Speaker #2: And with the preliminaries out of the way, I'll turn the call over to President and CEO Brent Bilsland.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Sean. And thank you, everyone, for joining us this afternoon. HALLADOR delivered strong financial performance in 2025 as we continue advancing our transformation into a vertically integrated, independent power producer.

Brent Bilsland: Thank you, Sean, and thank you everyone for joining us this afternoon. Hallador delivered strong financial performance in 2025 as we continued advancing our transformation into a vertically integrated independent power producer. For the full year, total revenue increased 16% year over year to $469.5 million. Net income improved materially to $41.9 million. Adjusted EBITDA increased approximately threefold to $56 million. Operating cash flow increased 23% to $81.1 million. These results reflect both improving power market conditions and the operating leverage embedded in our business model. Electric sales were the primary driver of revenue growth during the year, increasing approximately 19% to $310.7 million compared to 2024.

Speaker #3: For the full year, total revenue increased 16% year over year, to $469.5 million. Net income improved materially to $41.9 million, adjusted EBITDA increased approximately threefold to $56 million.

Speaker #3: And operating cash flow increased 23% to $81.1 million. These results reflect both improving power market conditions and the operating leverage embedded in our business model.

Speaker #3: Electric sales were the primary driver of revenue growth during the year. Increasing approximately 19% to $310.7 million compared to 2024. Coal sales also increased 8% year over year, to $148.7 million.

Brent Bilsland: Coal sales also increased 8% year-over-year to $148.7 million as Sunrise Coal continued to support both internal fuel needs at Merom and third-party customers. Together, these segments highlight the advantages of our integrated platform, where our coal operations provide a secure price certain fuel supply for our generation assets, while also allowing us to participate opportunistically in third-party coal markets. Operationally, our Merom power plant performed well through most of the year. In the fourth quarter, however, we experienced operational challenges, which continued into Q1 and reduced availability of the units. Due to this availability issue, we now expect consolidated Q1 2026 results to be similar to Q4 2025.

Speaker #3: As Sunrise Coal continued to support both internal fuel needs at Merrim and third-party customers, together these segments highlight the advantages of our integrated platform, where our coal operations provide a secure, price-certain fuel supply for our generation assets, while also allowing us to participate opportunistically in third-party coal markets.

Speaker #3: Operationally, our Merrim Power Plant performed well through most of the year. In the fourth quarter, however, we experienced operational challenges which continued into Q1 and reduced availability of the units.

Speaker #3: Due to this availability issue, we now expect consolidated first quarter of 2026 results to be similar to fourth quarter of 2025. Maintaining high levels of reliability remains a top priority for our team, particularly as MISO increasingly depends on dispatchable resources during periods of peak demand which is highest in the summer.

Brent Bilsland: Maintaining high levels of reliability remains a top priority for our team, particularly as MISO increasingly depends on dispatchable resources during periods of peak demand, which is highest in the summer. As such, the generating units in question will receive a major maintenance outage beginning in May, which, once complete, should significantly improve performance. Sunrise Coal also delivered consistent performance throughout the year. Production optimization initiatives and disciplined cost management help improve the operating performance across the mining complex. As part of our vertically integrated platform, Sunrise Coal provides a reliable fuel foundation for our generation assets while helping optimize our overall cost structure. Across the broader marketing environment, we continue to see strong demand for reliable dispatchable generation across the MISO region.

Speaker #3: As such, the generating units in question will receive a major maintenance outage beginning in May, which, once complete, should significantly improve performance. Sunrise Coal also delivered consistent performance throughout the year.

Speaker #3: Production optimization initiatives and disciplined cost management help improve the operating performance across the mining complex. As part of our vertically integrated platform, Sunrise Coal provides a reliable fuel foundation for our generation assets while helping optimize our overall cost structure.

Speaker #3: Across the broader marketing environment, we continue to see strong demand for reliable dispatchable generation across the MISO region. Electricity demand growth combined with the prior retirement of dispatchable assets is tightening supply conditions across the system.

Brent Bilsland: Electricity demand growth, combined with the prior retirement of dispatchable assets, is tightening supply conditions across the system, increasing the value of accredited capacity as utilities and load-serving entities attempt to secure reliable resources throughout the Midwest. Against that backdrop, we have made progress towards selling energy and capacity at elevated prices. We have also recently received additional competitive offers to acquire our accredited capacity for over a decade in length. We are excited by what we are seeing in the market. The company is in a strong, long-accredited capacity position, which appears to be getting better with time. We hope to make more announcements on this topic very soon. These robust market conditions led us to file an application in MISO's Expedited Resource Addition Study, or ERAS program. During the month of December, we were awarded one of the coveted 50 ERAS slots.

Speaker #3: Increasing the value of accredited capacity as utilities and load-serving entities attempt to secure reliable resources throughout the Midwest. Against that backdrop, we have made progress towards selling energy and capacity at elevated prices.

Speaker #3: We have also recently received additional competitive offers to acquire our accredited capacity for over a decade in length. We are excited by what we are seeing in the market.

Speaker #3: The company is in a strong long-accredited capacity position which appears to be getting better with time. We hope to make more announcements on this topic very soon.

Speaker #3: These robust market conditions led us to file an application in MISO's expedited resource adequacy study or ERAS program. During the month of December, we were awarded one of the coveted 50 ERAS slots in conjunction with our application's acceptance.

Brent Bilsland: In conjunction with our application's acceptance, we funded approximately $14 million of required refundable deposits to support the potential addition of up to 515MW of natural gas generation. The ERAS program was designed to accelerate the development of new generation resources that can help address reliability needs across the MISO system. Currently, we expect MISO to complete the study of our application in Q3 of this year. Additionally, we are in negotiations with multiple counterparties for equipment for the project. As the project develops, we plan to share more details around the cost and potential economics of the project. If successful in our development plans, we would target the plant coming online around Q3 of 2029. This expansion would significantly increase our accredited generating capacity of the company, leveraging infrastructure that is already in place at our Merom site.

Speaker #3: We funded approximately $14 million of required refundable deposits to support the potential addition of up to 515 megawatts of natural gas generation. The ERAS program was designed to accelerate the development of new generation resources that can help address reliability needs across the MISO system.

Speaker #3: Currently, we expect MISO to complete the study of our application in the third quarter of this year. Additionally, we are in negotiations with multiple counterparties for equipment for the project.

Speaker #3: As the project develops, we plan to share more details around the cost and potential economics of the project. If successful in our development plans, we would target the plant coming online around the third quarter of 2029.

Speaker #3: This expansion was significantly increased our accredited generating capacity at the company. Leveraging infrastructure that is already in place at our Merrim site, compared with Greenfield developments, the Merrim interconnection offers both speed to market and certain cost advantages.

Brent Bilsland: Compared with greenfield developments, the Merom interconnection offers both speed to market and certain cost advantages. Turning briefly to capital allocation, we maintained a disciplined approach throughout 2025. Capital expenditures were focused primarily on planned maintenance at the Merom facility and operational improvements across our mining operations, along with early-stage work supporting potential generation expansion at the Merom site under the ERAS program. We currently expect capital expenditures in 2026 to increase modestly compared to 2025 levels, excluding potential ERAS developments. Looking ahead, we will continue to focus on maintaining operational reliability at Merom, executing efficiently across our coal operations, and advancing the strategic initiatives that we believe can drive long-term growth for Hallador.

Speaker #3: Turning briefly to capital allocation, we maintained a disciplined approach throughout 2025. Capital expenditures were focused primarily on planned maintenance at the Merrim facility and operational improvements across our mining operations.

Speaker #3: Along with early-stage work supporting potential generation expansion, at the Merrim site under the ERAS program, we currently expect capital expenditures in 2026 to increase modestly compared to 2025 levels, excluding potential ERAS development.

Speaker #3: Looking ahead, we will continue to focus on maintaining operational reliability at Merrim, executing efficiently across our coal operations, and advancing the strategic initiatives that we believe can drive long-term growth for Hallador.

Speaker #3: At the same time, we remain disciplined in how we approach new opportunities and will continue to focus on projects and commercial arrangements that we believe will most meaningfully enhance shareholder value for the long term.

Brent Bilsland: At the same time, we remain disciplined in how we approach new opportunities and will continue to focus on projects and commercial arrangements that we believe will most meaningfully enhance shareholder value for the long term. Before handing it over to Todd, I'd like to briefly highlight two recent additions to our board that strengthen our leadership during the next phase of Hallador's growth. In January, we welcomed Barbara Sugg to our board of directors following the retirement of longtime director David Hardie, whose more than three decades of service and support to Hallador we sincerely appreciate. Barbara previously served as president and CEO of Southwest Power Pool, where she led regional reliability and wholesale market operations across a 14-state footprint. Her industry leadership across grid operations, transmission development, and resource integration will be valuable as we continue positioning our Merom facility to support growing demand for reliable capacity.

Speaker #3: Before handing it over to Todd, I'd like to briefly highlight two recent additions to our board that strengthen our leadership during the next phase of HALLADOR's growth.

Speaker #3: In January, we welcomed Barbara Sugg to our board of directors following the retirement of longtime director David Hardy. He's more than three decades of service and support to HALLADOR we sincerely appreciate.

Speaker #3: Barbara previously served as president and CEO of Southwest Power Pool, where she led regional reliability and wholesale market operations across a 14-state footprint. Her industry leadership across grid operations, transmission development, and resource integration will be valuable as we continue positioning our Merrim facility to support growing demand for reliable capacity.

Speaker #3: Further, last week, we appointed Daniel Hudson to the board, expanding the board to seven members. Daniel brings deep expertise in natural gas generation, capital markets, and power asset transactions.

Brent Bilsland: Further, last week, we appointed Daniel Hudson to the board, expanding the board to 7 members. Daniel brings deep expertise in natural gas generation, capital markets, and power asset transactions, having led or advised on more than $35 billion in strategic energy investments. As we pursue opportunities to expand generation at Merom and evaluate additional assets that can scale our power platform, we believe Daniel's background in gas-fired power development and energy infrastructure optimization will provide meaningful strategic guidance for our team. With that, I will now pass the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Todd Telesz, to take you through our financial results. Tom?

Speaker #3: Having led or advised on more than 35 billion in strategic energy investments, as we pursue opportunities to expand generation at Merrim, and evaluate additional assets that can scale our power platform, we believe Daniel's background in gas-fired power development and energy infrastructure optimization will provide meaningful strategic guidance for our team.

Speaker #3: With that, I will now pass the call over to our chief financial officer, Todd Telesz, to take you through our financial results. Todd?

Speaker #1: Great. Thank you, Brent, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll add my thanks for joining us today. Jumping right into our fourth quarter results, electric sales for the fourth quarter increased 3% to 71.6 million dollars compared to 69.7 million dollars in the prior year period.

Todd Telesz: Great. Thank you, Brent, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll add my thanks for joining us today. Jumping right into our Q4 results. Electric sales for the Q4 increased 3% to $71.6 million compared to $69.7 million in the prior year period. Coal sales increased 24% to $29.1 million for the Q4 compared to $23.4 million in the prior year period. Electric sales in the Q4 reflect a continued electricity demand across the MISO market and stable realized pricing, partially offset by lower generation during the period due to the previously mentioned operational challenges and unit availability impacts in Q4 2025 and Q1 2026. The unit outages reduced dispatch for part of the Q4. The plant continued to operate and serve market demand as conditions allowed.

Speaker #1: While coal sales increased 24% to 29.1 million dollars for the fourth quarter compared to 23.4 million dollars in the prior year period. Electric sales in the fourth quarter reflect a continued electricity demand across the MISO market and stable realized pricing.

Speaker #1: Partially offset by lower generation during the period, due to the previously mentioned operational challenges and unit availability impacts in Q4 2025 and Q1 2026.

Speaker #1: While the unit outages reduced dispatch for part of the fourth quarter, the plant continued to operate and serve market demand as conditions allowed. The increase in coal sales during the fourth quarter was driven primarily by higher third-party shipments to customers, reflecting continued production optimization at Sunrise Coal and our ability to supply both internal fuel requirements at Merrim and external market demand.

Todd Telesz: The increase in coal sales during Q4 was driven primarily by higher third-party shipments to customers, reflecting continued production optimization at Sunrise Coal and our ability to supply both internal fuel requirements at Merom and external market demand. On a consolidated basis, total operating revenue increased 8% to $102.4 million for Q4 compared to $94.7 million in the prior year period. Net loss for Q4 was $0.2 million compared to a net loss of $215.8 million in the prior year period. It's worth noting that the year ago period loss includes an approximate $215 million non-cash write-down associated with the value of our mining operations.

Speaker #1: On a consolidated basis, total operating revenue increased 8% to $102.4 million for the fourth quarter, compared to $94.7 million in the prior year period.

Speaker #1: Net loss for the fourth quarter was 0.2 million dollars compared to a net loss of 215.8 million dollars in the prior year period. It's worth noting that the year-ago period loss includes an approximate 215 million dollar non-cash write-down associated with the value of our mining operations.

Speaker #1: Operating cash flow for the fourth quarter was 8.1 million dollars compared to 32.5 million dollars in the prior year period, with the decrease primarily reflecting the cash receipt from a large prepaid energy forward sales contract that was received in Q4, 2024.

Todd Telesz: Operating cash flow for Q4 was $8.1 million compared to $32.5 million in the prior year period, with the decrease primarily reflecting the cash receipt from a large prepaid energy forward sales contract that was received in Q4 2024. Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP measure, which is reconciled in our earnings press release issued earlier today, increased 35% to $8.4 million for Q4 compared to $6.2 million in the prior year period. We invested $24.9 million in capital expenditures during Q4 2025 compared to $13.8 million in the year ago period, bringing our full year 2025 CapEx to a total of $69.2 million. This includes the approximately $14 million of refundable deposits made in support of the ERAS Gas Generation Project.

Speaker #1: Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP measure, which is reconciled in the earnings press release issued earlier today, increased 35% to $8.4 million for the fourth quarter compared to $6.2 million in the prior year period.

Speaker #1: We invested 24.9 million dollars in capital expenditures during the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to 13.8 million dollars in the year-ago period. Bringing our full year 2025 CAPEX to a total of 69.2 million dollars.

Speaker #1: This includes the approximately 14 million dollars of refundable deposits made in support of the ERAS gas generation project. As Brent mentioned earlier, we expect our 2026 capital expenditures to modestly increase compared to 2025, excluding any impacts of the ERAS project.

Todd Telesz: As Brent mentioned earlier, we expect our 2026 capital expenditures to modestly increase compared to 2025, excluding any impacts of the ERAS project. As of 31 December 2025, our forward energy and capacity sales position was $540 million compared to $571.7 million at the end of Q3 and $685.7 million at 31 December 2024. When combined with our third-party forward coal sales of $323.5 million, as well as intercompany sales to Merom, our total forward sales book as of 31 December 2025, was approximately $1.3 billion. Now turning to the balance sheet. We had several material updates.

Speaker #1: As of December 31st, 2025, our forward energy and capacity sales position was 540 million dollars compared to 571.7 million dollars at the end of Q3 and 685.7 million dollars at December 31st, 2024.

Speaker #1: When combined with our third-party forward coal sales, of 323.5 million dollars, as well as intercompany sales to Merrim, our total forward sales book as of December 31st, 2025, was approximately 1.3 billion dollars.

Speaker #1: Now, turning to the balance sheet, we had several material updates. In Q4 of 2025, we completed a $25 million prepaid energy forward sales contract with a long-standing counterparty and raised approximately $14 million through our ATM via the issuance of just over 697,000 shares.

Todd Telesz: In Q4 of 2025, we completed a $25 million prepaid energy forward sales contract with a long-standing counterparty and raised approximately $14 million through our ATM via the issuance of just over 697,000 shares. In January of 2026, we further strengthened our capital position through a public offering of approximately 3.2 million shares of common stock priced at approximately $18 per share, generating roughly $57.5 million of gross proceeds. These proceeds are expected to support general corporate purposes, including potential deposits required for preserving key equipment necessary for our proposed natural gas generation expansion at Merom. Additionally, late last week, we closed on a new credit facility led by Texas Capital Bank, who is a new relationship for us, and Old National Bank, and First Financial Bank, who have been long-standing financial partners of Hallador.

Speaker #1: In January 2026, we further strengthened our capital position through a public offering of approximately 3.2 million shares of common stock priced at approximately $18 per share.

Speaker #1: Generating roughly 57.5 million dollars of gross proceeds. These proceeds are expected to support general corporate purposes including potential deposits required for preserving key equipment necessary for our proposed natural gas generation expansion at Merrim.

Speaker #1: Additionally, late last week, we closed on a new credit facility led by Texas Capital Bank, who is a new relationship for us, and old National Bank and First Financial Bank, who have been long-standing financial partners of HALLADOR.

Speaker #1: The $120 million, three-year senior secured credit facilities include a $75 million revolving credit facility and a $45 million delayed draw term loan.

Todd Telesz: The $120 million three-year senior secured credit facilities include a $75 million revolving credit facility and a $45 million delayed draw term loan. The credit facilities also include a $25 million accordion feature. Overall, our results reflect continued progress across the business as we strengthen our financial profile while investing in the long-term growth opportunities Brent discussed earlier.

Speaker #1: The credit facilities also include a $25 million accordion feature. Overall, our results reflect continued progress across the business as we strengthen our financial profile while investing in the long-term growth opportunities Brent discussed earlier.

Speaker #1: With a solidified liquidity position, a meaningful forward sales book, and a disciplined capital allocation approach, we believe Hallador remains well-positioned to support the continued development of our power platform and the strategic initiatives underway at Merrim.

Brent Bilsland: With a solidified liquidity position, a meaningful forward sales book, and a disciplined capital allocation approach, we believe Hallador remains well positioned to support the continued development of our power platform and the strategic initiatives underway at Merom. With that, operator, we can now open the line for questions.

Todd Telesz: With a solidified liquidity position, a meaningful forward sales book, and a disciplined capital allocation approach, we believe Hallador remains well positioned to support the continued development of our power platform and the strategic initiatives underway at Merom. With that, operator, we can now open the line for questions.

Speaker #1: With that, Operator, we can now open the line for questions.

Speaker #2: Thank you so much. And as a reminder, if you do have a question, simply press star 11 to get in the queue. And wait for your name to be announced.

Operator: Thank you so much. As a reminder, if you do have a question, simply press star one one to get in the queue and wait for your name to be announced. To remove yourself, press star one one again. One moment for our first question. It comes from the line of Jeff Grampp with Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Speaker #2: To remove yourself, press star 11 again. One moment for our first question. It comes from the line of Jeff Grump with Northland Capital Markets.

Speaker #2: Please proceed.

Jeff Grampp: Afternoon, guys. Thanks for the time.

Speaker #3: Afternoon, guys. Thanks for the time. With respect to maybe this longer-term PPA opportunity, Brent, what are the main kind of gating items to getting a deal done at this point?

Brent Bilsland: Hey, Jeff.

Jeff Grampp: With respect to maybe this longer-term PPA opportunity, Brent, what are the main kinda gating items to getting a deal done at this point? I know you can only say so much, but are we kind of in the phase where we're deciding kind of what the best offer is for the company? Is it negotiating with final parties, or what's kinda dictating timing at this point?

Speaker #3: And I know you can only say so much, but are we kind of in the phase where we're deciding kind of what the best offer is for the company?

Speaker #3: Is it negotiating with final parties, or what's kind of dictating timing at this point?

Speaker #1: Yeah, look, I don't think it's going to be just one party. And we have exchanged draft contracts with multiple parties. And I think what's encouraging for us is we continue to see pricing pressure move things higher.

Brent Bilsland: Yeah, look, I don't think it's gonna be just one party. We have exchanged, you know, draft contracts with multiple parties. You know, I think what's encouraging for us is we continue to see pricing pressure move things higher. Quite frankly, the interest level that we're seeing has dramatically increased in the last four weeks. Multiple utilities, multiple industrial users. You know, we kind of view it as we're playing a game of musical chairs, and we own the last seat, and we just keep seeing more and more people enter into the room. You know, I know everybody's in a hurry to get something done, including me, but in the same breath, this keeps getting better.

Speaker #1: And quite frankly, the interest level that we're seeing has dramatically increased in the last four weeks. Multiple utilities, multiple industrial users, we kind of view it as we're playing a game of musical chairs, and we own the last seat.

Speaker #1: And we just keep seeing more and more people enter the room. And so I know everybody's in a hurry to get something done, including me, but at the same breath, this keeps getting better.

Brent Bilsland: We're really encouraged by what we're seeing and the level of competition that you know we are able to engage the counterparties in. We're happy. You know, we think we're getting much closer and certainly encouraged by what we're seeing. I hope that excitement resonates.

Speaker #1: And so we're really encouraged by what we're seeing and the level of competition that we are able to engage the counterparties in. So we're happy we think we're getting much closer.

Speaker #1: And certainly encouraged by what we're seeing. I hope that excitement resonates.

Jeff Grampp: That's super helpful. I appreciate it. That's good to hear. For my follow-up, I wanted to get a bit more details on the issues at Merom that you guys talked about. Can you just shed a little more light on what these operational issues are and should we be expecting this to impact performance until this planned outage in May? It sounded like there was gonna be a more significant kinda turnaround at that point to maybe address some of these issues. Thanks.

Speaker #3: That's super helpful. I appreciate it. That's good to hear. For my follow-up, I wanted to get a bit more detail on the issues at Merrim that you guys talked about.

Speaker #3: You just said a little more light on what these operational issues are and is the should we be expecting this to impact performance until this planned outage in May?

Speaker #3: It sounded like there was going to be a more significant kind of turnaround at that point to maybe address some of these issues. Thanks.

Speaker #1: Yeah, no, I think so. We had some equipment failures in Q4. We had some equipment failures in Q1. That took the plant offline at different times for weeks at a time.

Brent Bilsland: Yeah, no, I think we had some equipment failures in Q4. We had some equipment failures in Q1 that you know took the plant offline at different times for weeks at a time. Unfortunately, it was, you know, particularly in January, during some of the better-priced weeks, so we hate to see that. The plant is running now. You know, it has a few limitations, so it's not running at 100%, but it's running. Then we're gonna roll right into an outage. You know, this was a planned outage. It was what we call a major, so it's you know half the plant will be down for six months.

Speaker #1: And unfortunately, it was some particularly in January, it was during some of the better-priced weeks. So we hate to see that. The plan's running now.

Speaker #1: It has a few limitations, so it's not running at 100%, but it's running. And then we're going to roll right into an outage. And so this was a planned outage.

Speaker #1: It was what we call a major so it's the plant will be half the plant will be down for six months. We do that every year.

Brent Bilsland: We do that every year. There's, you know, just a lot on the list for this particular unit that's gonna get replaced and upgraded and so a whole lot of new parts are going on. You know, we think that will help the reliability of the plant and just in time for the summer season, which I would point out is the peaking season in MISO now. Summer peaks are higher than winter peaks.

Speaker #1: And there's just a lot on the list for this particular unit that's going to get replaced and upgraded. And so a whole lot of new parts are going on.

Speaker #1: And we think that that will help the reliability of the plant and just in time for the summer season, which I would point out is the peaking season in MISO now.

Speaker #1: Summer peaks are higher than winter peaks.

Speaker #3: Understood. Okay, that's really helpful details. I'll turn it back. Thank you, guys, for the time.

Jeff Grampp: Understood. Okay. That's really helpful details. I'll turn it back. Thank you guys for the time.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Jeff.

Brent Bilsland: Thank you, Jeff.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Key with Texas Capital. Please proceed.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Key with Texas Capital. Please proceed.

Speaker #5: Hey, good afternoon, everyone. And thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to talk about the target date of completion for the NatGas expansion. What are the big determinant factors that dictates you hit in or miss in that target date?

Matthew Key: Hey, good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to talk about, you know, the target date of completion for the nat gas expansion. What are the big determining factors that, you know, dictates you hitting or missing that target date? Does this just kinda come down to getting the necessary long lead time equipment in time or are there a little bit more complications than that?

Speaker #5: Does this just kind of come down to getting the necessary long lead time equipment in time, or are there a little bit more complications than that?

Brent Bilsland: No. Right now we're negotiating with multiple counterparties on can we secure the equipment in the right timeframe, which we are finding equipment that the timing does work. Can we get that equipment at a price point that makes the project economic? You know, in the same breath, you know, we've got limited PPAs to support the project. We're obviously in the market, you know, attempting to sign long-term PPAs. We like where that pricing has gone. You know, you just gotta line all that up. There are other players out there who are opposite of us. They have equipment and no place to go with it.

Speaker #1: No. So, right now, we're negotiating with multiple counterparties on can we secure the equipment in the right timeframe—which we are finding equipment that the timing does work—and can we get that equipment at a price point that makes the project economic?

Speaker #1: And that's and then at the same breath, we've got limited PPAs to support the project. We're obviously in the market attempting to sign long-term PPAs.

Speaker #1: We like where that pricing has gone. And so you. Just got to line all that up. And then there's other players out there who are opposite of us.

Speaker #1: They have equipment and no place to go with it. And so we're also talking to those counterparties to say, "Hey, does it make sense you bring your equipment?

Brent Bilsland: We're also talking to those counterparties to say, "Hey, does it make sense you bring your equipment, we'll bring the interconnect, PPAs, water rights, gas rights, all of that." The thing that we're excited about is, you know, we feel that our site, our interconnect, has a speed to market advantage because of the ERAS program. Because of the ERAS program, it has, we think, a significant cost advantage over some of the other projects that we're hearing, right? We're hearing other projects that have to have $300 million of system upgrade costs, and we just don't think our project's gonna experience that. We think there's a significant advantage there.

Speaker #1: We'll bring the interconnect PPAs, water rights, gas rights, all of that." But the thing that we're excited about is we know we feel that our site or our interconnect has a speed-to-market advantage.

Speaker #1: Because of the AERS program—and because of the AERS program—it has, we think, a significant cost advantage over some of the other projects that we're hearing, right?

Speaker #1: We're hearing about other projects that have to have $300 million of system upgrade costs, and we just don't think our project's going to experience that.

Speaker #1: And so we think there's a significant advantage there. That said, the downside to the AERS program is it's a very quick process. And so you kind of got to get all the elements of the deal lined up.

Brent Bilsland: That said, the downside to the ERAS program is it's a very quick process, and so you kinda gotta get all the elements of the deal lined up. We're working on that.

Speaker #1: And so we're working on that.

Matthew Key: Mm-hmm. Got it. No, that's helpful. A quick macro one for me. You know, made recent news that the EPA announced the decision to ease some, you know, the MATS requirements for power plants. Could you maybe just help me quantify the impact that those changes would have on your business, if any, or maybe the industry more broadly?

Speaker #5: Got it. No, that's helpful. A quick macro one for me. Made recent news that the EPA announced the decision to ease some of the mask requirements for power plants.

Speaker #5: Could you maybe just help me quantify the impact that those changes would have on your business, if any, or maybe the industry more broadly?

Brent Bilsland: Yeah. A lot of plants, including ours, are already MATS compliant. That being said, there's still some ongoing costs associated with that, reporting requirements and so on. You know, I think the Trump administration, in general, is trying to unwind a lot of these environmental rules one at a time. You know, they're just kinda making their way down through the list. What is the impact of that? You know, overall, it makes operating a plant easier. What are the economic impacts of that? You know, I think it probably has more to do with longevity, and less to do with, you know, are we gonna see our costs materially drop, you know, in the next quarter.

Speaker #1: Yeah. So a lot of plants, including ours, are already mask compliant. That being said, there's still some ongoing costs associated with that, reporting requirements, and so on.

Speaker #1: So I think the Trump administration in general is trying to unwind a lot of these environmental rules one at a time. And they're just kind of making their way down through the list.

Speaker #1: And so what is the impact of that? Overall, it makes operating a plant easier. One of the economic impacts of that, I think it probably has more to do with longevity and less to do with are we going to see our cost materially drop in the next quarter?

Matthew Key: Got it. No, that's helpful. Really appreciate the time and best of luck.

Speaker #5: Got it. No, that's helpful. Really appreciate the time, and best of luck.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Nick Giles with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Nick Giles with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed.

Nick Giles: Great. Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, guys. My first question, you know, I think you've previously talked about the majority of capacity being taken down in any long-term deal. You mentioned, Brent, that economics are only getting better. Given that you're talking to multiple parties, is there a scenario where you might announce the long-term PPAs in several tranches, or should we still be, you know, expecting one kind of a grand slam?

Speaker #4: Great. Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, guys. My first question I think you've previously talked about the majority of capacity being taken down in any long-term deal.

Speaker #4: But you mentioned, Brent, that economics are only getting better. So, given that you're talking to multiple parties, is there a scenario where you might announce the long-term PPAs in several tranches, or should we still be expecting one kind of grand slam?

Brent Bilsland: No, I think you'll see announcements in several tranches. That's our thinking today. I mean, certainly we could see a customer step up and take a bigger block, but today that's where our head is at, that you'll see multiple bites at the apple.

Speaker #1: No, I think you'll see announcements in several tranches. That's our thinking today. I mean, certainly, we could see a customer step up and take a bigger block.

Speaker #1: But today, that's where our head is at—that you'll see multiple bites at the apple.

Nick Giles: Got it. Okay. Very helpful. And then just in terms of pricing, you said upward pressure. I think in the past you've kind of used the forward curve as an anchor and, you know, noted that pricing could come in above that. I mean, any, you know, any rough guardrails that you could point us to, from a price perspective? I mean, should we be still thinking of something above the forward curve? If so, where do you see the forward curve today?

Speaker #4: Got it. Got it. Okay. Very helpful. And then just in terms of pricing, you said upward pressure. I think in the past, you've kind of used the forward curve as an anchor and noted that pricing could come in above that.

Speaker #4: I mean, any rough guardrails that you could point us to from a price perspective? I mean, should we be still thinking of something above the forward curve, and if so, where do you see the forward curve today?

Brent Bilsland: Yeah. The forward curve is typically energy. Where we're really seeing the price improvement is for accredited capacity. That's the revenue stream that is going, in our opinion, dramatically higher. That really is the pinch point in the industry. The reason for that is you can get energy from renewables. It's challenging to get accredited capacity from renewables, right? Solar panels are only rated 5% of nameplate. Windmills are only rated at 15% of nameplate. Whereas coal, gas, and nukes are all rated 75% to 90% of nameplate. It's typically what accreditation they're awarded. What's changed and, you know, the MISO auction is I think roughly two weeks from today. It's gonna be on the 26th. Some of the pricing outlooks that we're seeing in that, you know, are dramatically higher.

Speaker #1: Yeah. So the forward curve's typically energy. Where we're really seeing the price improvement is for accredited capacity. And that's the revenue stream. That is going in our opinion, dramatically higher.

Speaker #1: That really is the pinch point in the industry. And the reason for that is you can get energy from renewables. It's challenging to get accredited capacity from renewables.

Speaker #1: Right? Solar panels are only rated at 5% of nameplate. Windmills are only rated at 15% of nameplate. Whereas coal, gas, and nukes are all rated at 75% to 90% of nameplate.

Speaker #1: It's typically what accreditation their award is. So, what's changed—the MISO auction is, I think, roughly two weeks from today. It's going to be on the 26th.

Speaker #1: And some of the pricing outlooks that we're seeing in that are dramatically higher. And so we'll see what that auction brings. And we think that we'll probably have some sales that might happen before then, as well.

Brent Bilsland: We'll see what that auction brings. You know, we think that we'll probably have some sales that might happen before then as well. As we get those deals across the finish line and inked, we'll report it, so you'll see. You'll get a good look at what that price is.

Speaker #1: So, as we get those deals across the finish line and inked, we'll report it. So you'll get a good look at what that price is.

Nick Giles: Got it.

Brent Bilsland: I wanna correct something somebody just said I said incorrectly. Our unit is gonna go on outage for 60 days, not 6 months like I said. Just wanted to correct my statement.

Speaker #1: Also, I want to correct something. Somebody just said I said incorrectly. So our unit is going to go on outage for 60 days, not 6 months, like I said.

Speaker #1: So just wanted to correct my statement.

Nick Giles: Got it. Maybe just one more, if I could. I think you mentioned that CapEx could be modestly higher excluding ERAS developments. I just wanted to clarify. Are you saying that CapEx will be modestly above the kind of $70 million level, I think which included the $14 million? Or should we exclude the $14 million and kind of start at a base of $55 million? I think you see what I'm getting at. I'm just trying to make sure it's apples to apples here.

Speaker #4: Got it. Maybe just one more if I could. I think you mentioned that CapEx could be modestly higher excluding AERS developments. I just wanted to clarify.

Speaker #4: Are you saying that CapEx will be modestly above the kind of $70 million level? I think which included the $14 million. Or should we exclude the $14 million and kind of start at a base of $55 million?

Speaker #4: I think you see what I'm getting at. I'm just trying to make sure it's apples to apples here.

Todd Telesz: Yes, Nick. It's Todd. How are you today? I think we are looking at modestly higher than what we incurred in 2025, driven by some CapEx that was pushed out of 2025 into 2026, as well as continued investment in the ELG project. Those are probably the key drivers, and those obviously would be excluding any incremental investments in the ERAS project.

Speaker #1: Yes, Nick. It's Todd. How are you today? So, I think we are looking at modestly higher than what we incurred in 2025, driven by some CapEx that was pushed out of '25 into '26, as well as continued investment in the ELG project.

Speaker #1: So those are probably the key drivers. And those, obviously, would be excluding any incremental investments in the AERS project.

Nick Giles: Got it. I mean, so I think last quarter the emphasis was really around the application and now that's been accepted, deposit has been paid. Like, what are some of those developments that we should be looking out for in the context of ERAS?

Speaker #4: Got it. Got it. And what would those—I mean, so I think last quarter, the emphasis was really around the application, and now that's been accepted.

Speaker #4: Deposit has been paid. What are the next what are some of those developments that we should be looking out for in the context of AERS?

Brent Bilsland: Yeah. MISO will pick up our application and begin reviewing that soon. They haven't done that just yet. Once they pick it up, you know, I believe they'll do a public notification saying that they've picked that up. They've got 90 days to complete that study. At the end of that study, they come to us and say, "Okay, this is what we think it's gonna cost." We have a certain period of time to negotiate a couple items on that list. Ultimately it comes down to, "Hey, are you signing a GIA, a Generator Interconnection Agreement with MISO and committing to your project?" We think that happens sometime later in Q3. Or are you saying, "No, I'm gonna pass because, you know, the project?

Speaker #1: Yeah. So MISO will pick up our application and begin reviewing that soon. They haven't done that just yet. And then once they pick it up, I believe they'll do a public notification saying that they've picked that up.

Speaker #1: And then they've got 90 days to complete that study. At the end of that study, they come to us and say, "Okay. This is what we think it's going to cost." And then we have a certain period of time to negotiate a couple of items.

Speaker #1: On that list. And then ultimately, it comes down to, "Hey, are you signing a GIA? A generator interconnect agreement with MISO and committing to your project?" We think that happens sometime later in Q3.

Brent Bilsland: We're just not gonna go forward with the project." Then your option is we would probably step into the traditional queue at that point, you know, going forward. Those are kind of the options on the table and what we think that timing looks like.

Speaker #1: Or are you saying, "No, I'm going to pass because the project—we're just not going to go forward with the project." And then your options, we would probably step into the traditional queue at that point.

Speaker #1: Going forward. So those are kind of the options on the table on what we think that timing looks like.

Nick Giles: Got it. Okay. Well, hey, Brent and Todd, I really appreciate all the detail and best of luck.

Speaker #4: Got it. Got it. Okay. Well, hey, Brent and Todd, I really appreciate all the detail. And best of luck.

Brent Bilsland: Thank you, Nick.

Operator: Thank you. We have a question from the line of Jake Cikowski with Alliance Global Partners. Please proceed.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Nick.

Speaker #3: Thank you. And we have a question from the line of Jake Sekulski with Alliance Global Partners. Please proceed.

Jake Cikowski: Hey, Brent and Todd. Thanks for taking the questions.

Brent Bilsland: Good to see you, Jake.

Speaker #5: Hey, Brent and Todd. Thanks for taking the questions.

Jake Cikowski: With the gas expansion coming into focus, I'm just wondering how you're thinking about Sunrise Coal and that operations position in sort of the broader portfolio, going forward?

Speaker #1: Good to see you, Jake.

Speaker #5: So, with the gas expansion coming into focus, I'm just wondering how you're thinking about Sunrise Coal and that operation's position in the broader portfolio going forward.

Brent Bilsland: Yeah. You know, Sunrise results there have been good. They got their cost structure down last year. It performed really well. You know, so far so good this year as well. We're happy with the Sunrise Coal division. Again, we're looking to contract a meaningful amount of output at the Merom Generating Station here in the near future. You know, that's gonna require fuel. I don't really see any material changes at Sunrise in the near future. We still plan to take coal at the plant. The gas plant. I mean, if you look at Merom, why is it such a good site for an expansion? Merom was originally designed to be three 500-MW coal-fired units, but they only built two.

Speaker #1: Yeah. So Sunrise results there have been good. They got their cost structure down last year. It performed really well. So far, so good this year as well.

Speaker #1: So we're happy with the Sunrise Coal division. Again, we're looking to contract a meaningful amount of output at the Merrim Power Plant here in the near future.

Speaker #1: And so that's going to require fuel. So I don't really see any material changes at Sunrise in the near future. We still plan to take coal at the plant.

Speaker #1: The gas plant I mean, if you look at Merrim, okay, why is it such a good site for an expansion? Merrim was originally designed to be three 500-megawatt coal-fired units.

Brent Bilsland: A lot of the power infrastructure that's necessary already exists at the site. You know, the line takeaway capacity from that substation is like 1.6 gigawatts. We're only using a thousand megawatts. All we're really proposing to do is instead of building a third coal-fired unit, the third unit will be gas units, right? Right now we're proposing CTs. You know, that's what it is in a nutshell, hey, there's space on the line. We have property control. We have the easements in place for, you know, for the gas pipeline that's only 5 miles away. We have water rights. There's good gas availability, we're told, at that location.

Speaker #1: But they only built two. But a lot of the power infrastructure, that's necessary already exists at the site. The line takeaway capacity from that substation is like 1.6 gigawatts.

Speaker #1: We're only using 1,000—or 1 gigawatt, excuse me, 1,000 megawatts. And so all we're really proposing to do is, instead of building a third coal-fired unit, the third unit will be gas units, right?

Speaker #1: And right now, we're proposing CTs. And so that's what it is. In a nutshell, is, "Hey, there's space on the line. We have property control.

Speaker #1: We have the easements in place for the gas pipeline. It's only five miles away. We have water rights." There's good gas availability. We're told at that location.

Brent Bilsland: We think we've got really one of the better sites in the country to do such a development. That said, we still have to line up equipment, more PPAs and such to make that project viable. That's something we're negotiating on every day to see if we can make all those numbers line up.

Speaker #1: So, we think we've got really one of the better sites in the country to do such a development. That said, we still have to line up equipment, more PPAs, and such to make that project viable.

Speaker #1: That's something we're negotiating every day, to see if we can make all those numbers line up.

Jake Cikowski: Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Just building off that a bit, if I may. Are you still evaluating things on the M&A front? Do you sort of feel your plate's full with the ERAS project coming into focus here over the next few quarters?

Speaker #5: Got it. Okay. That's helpful. And then just building off that a bit, if I may. Are you still evaluating things on the M&A front?

Speaker #5: Or do you sort of feel your plate's full with the AERS project coming into focus here over the next few quarters?

Brent Bilsland: Look, we always look at things. You know, we've bid on an asset here recently. You know, I don't think we're gonna be selected for that asset, so, but we are active and so, you know, we'll just have to take the opportunities as they come.

Speaker #1: Look, we always look at things. We've been on an asset here recently. I don't think we're going to be selected for that asset. So but we are active.

Speaker #1: And so, we'll just have to take the opportunities as they come.

Jake Cikowski: Okay. That's helpful. That's all for me. Thanks again, guys.

Brent Bilsland: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. This concludes our Q&A session. I will pass it back to Brent Bilsland for closing comments.

Speaker #5: Okay, that's helpful. That's all from me. Thanks again, guys.

Speaker #1: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you. And this concludes our Q&A session. I will pass it back to Brent Bilsland for closing comments.

Brent Bilsland: I just wanna thank everybody for their continued interest in Hallador and stay tuned. I think hopefully we've got exciting things to announce in the future. Thank you again.

Speaker #1: I just want to thank everybody for their continued interest in Hallador. And stay tuned. I think, hopefully, we’ve got exciting things to announce in the future.

Operator: This concludes our conference. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.

Speaker #1: Thank you again.

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