Q4 2025 Cipher Pharmaceuticals Inc Earnings Call

March 13, 2026

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Operator: Craig Mull, Interim Chief Executive Officer of the company. Please go ahead, Mr. Mull.

Speaker #2: Interim Chief Officer of the company. Please go ahead, Mr. Mall. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call today. Before I begin, I would like to remind everyone that all figures discussed on today's call are expressed in US dollars.

Craig Mull: Good morning and thank you for joining our call today. Before I begin, I would like to remind everyone that all figures discussed on today's call are expressed in US dollars unless otherwise specified. Cipher's 2025 fiscal year was one of considerable growth with a more than doubling of our revenue and earnings in comparison to the most recent full fiscal year prior to our acquisition of the US-based Natroba business. Since acquiring the Natroba business in July 2024, the business has performed above our expectations. Sales from Natroba and its authorized generic spinosad were $7.4 million during Q4 of 2025, a 14% increase over sales from the same quarter last year of $6.5 million.

Speaker #2: Unless otherwise specified, CIPHER's 2025 fiscal year was one of considerable growth, with more than a doubling of our revenue and earnings in comparison to the most recent full fiscal year prior to our acquisition of the US-based Natroba business.

Speaker #2: Since acquiring the Natroba business in July 2024, the business has performed above our expectations. Sales from Natroba and its authorized generic Spinosad were $7.4 million during the fourth quarter of 2025, a 14% increase over sales from the same quarter last year of $6.5 million.

Speaker #2: Sales from Natroba and its authorized generic Spinosad were $30 million for the full year 2025, compared to $12 million for the five months of 2024 during which we owned the business.

Craig Mull: Sales from Natroba and its authorized generic spinosad were $30 million for the full year 2025, compared to $12 million for the five months of 2024 during which we owned the business. Additionally, the Natroba business continues to have strong profitability with a gross margin percentage of 83% during the 2025 fiscal year. This strong profitability was a driver for the adjusted EBITDA from the Natroba business of $17.4 million for 2025 fiscal year, which contributed to our total combined business adjusted EBITDA of $28.1 million for 2025. Cipher's base business in Canada continued to be a reliable source of revenue and earnings overall, with $20.5 million in revenue for the full year 2025, compared to $21.4 million for 2024.

Speaker #2: Additionally, the Natroba business continues to have strong profitability, with a gross margin percentage of 83% during the 2025 fiscal year. This strong profitability was a driver for the adjusted EBITDA from the Natroba business of $17.4 million for the 2025 fiscal year, which contributed to our total combined business adjusted EBITDA of $29.1 million for 2025.

Speaker #2: CIPHER's base business in Canada continued to be a reliable source of revenue and earnings overall, with $20.5 million in revenue for the full year 2025, compared to $21.4 million for 2024.

Speaker #2: And adjusted EBITDA of $10.7 million in 2025, compared to $10.6 million in 2024. Our base business experienced year-over-year gains for almost all products in its portfolio, led by Epirus.

Craig Mull: An adjusted EBITDA of $10.7 million in 2025 compared to $10.6 million in 2024. Our base business experienced year-over-year gains for almost all products in its portfolio, led by Epuris. However, these gains were offset by reduced licensing revenue earned on Cipher's products that are marketed and distributed by commercial partners in the US. Our most recent full fiscal year prior to the acquisition of the US-based Natroba business was fiscal 2023, during which period Cipher had $21.2 million in revenue and $12.7 million in adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #2: However, these gains were offset by reduced licensing revenue earned on CIPHER's products at our market and distributed by commercial partners in the US. Our most recent full fiscal year prior to the acquisition of the US-based Natroba business was fiscal 2023, during which period CIPHER had $21.2 million in revenue and $12.7 million in adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #2: Whereas in the first full fiscal year following the acquisition of the Natroba business, fiscal 2025, total revenue was $50.5 million and adjusted EBITDA was $28.1 million.

Craig Mull: Whereas in the first fiscal, full fiscal year following the acquisition of the Natroba business, fiscal 2025, total revenue was $50.5 million and adjusted EBITDA was $28.1 million, representing an increase in revenue of 138% and adjusted EBITDA of 121% compared to our pre-acquisition revenue and adjusted EBITDA. Our earnings continued to translate almost directly to free cash flow, providing available funds to deleverage the business. During 2025, we made a series of repayments on our revolving credit facility totaling $35 million, reducing the outstanding balance of our credit facility to $5 million at 31 December 2025.

Speaker #2: Representing an increase in revenue of 138% and adjusted EBITDA of 121% compared to our pre-acquisition revenue and adjusted EBITDA. Our earnings continued to translate almost directly to free cash flow, providing available funds to deleverage the business.

Speaker #2: During 2025, we made a series of repayments on our revolving credit facility totaling $35 million, reducing the outstanding balance of our credit facility to $5 million at December 31, 2025.

Speaker #2: This represents a near full repayment within 18 months of the $40 million drawn on our revolving credit facility, to partially fund the acquisition of the Natroba business.

Craig Mull: This represents a near full repayment within 18 months of the $40 million drawn on our revolving credit facility to partially fund the acquisition of the Natroba business. This is an achievement not many other companies can say that they have reached, which highlights Cipher's strong cash generation and disciplined approach to capital allocation. Our CFO, Ryan Mailling, will provide a detailed overview of our financial results following my commentary. I'd like to spend my remaining time providing an update on our business development activities, which we are very active in and where myself and along with many members of our team are focusing on a significant amount of our time. We have four distinct strategies ongoing at the moment to drive shareholder value and grow our business. Firstly, invest in the Natroba business and our US operations.

Speaker #2: This is an achievement not many other companies can say they have reached, which highlights Cipher's strong cash generation and disciplined approach to capital allocation.

Speaker #2: Our CFO, Ryan Mailing, will provide a detailed overview of our financial results following my commentary. I'd like to spend my remaining time providing an update on our business development activities, which we are very active in and where myself, along with many members of our team, are focusing a significant amount of our time.

Speaker #2: We have four distinct strategies ongoing at the moment to drive shareholder value and grow our business. Firstly, invest in the Natroba business and our U.S. operations.

Speaker #2: Secondly, we're looking for acquisitions or in-licensing of complementary products. Particularly for our US platform, we're looking for Health Canada to approve, and we will launch Natroba in Canada.

Craig Mull: Secondly, we're looking for acquisitions or in-licensing of complementary products, particularly for our US platform. We're looking for Health Canada to approve and launch, and we will launch Natroba in Canada. We are very active in discussions and negotiations with out-licensing partners for Natroba globally. Lastly, we're reviewing possible acquisitions of strategic value, and I've referred to this particular segment of our growth strategy as opportunistic acquisitions. The first strategy of investing and building upon Natroba business and the US operations to position it as a platform for further growth includes the launch of a direct-to-consumer or DTC sales model to implement our existing sales or supplement our existing sales approach. We believe Natroba is well suited for this model. Much work has gone into the development of the DTC sales model, and just recently, within the last week, we have launched this DTC platform.

Speaker #2: We are very active in discussions and negotiations with out-licensing partners for Natroba globally. Then lastly, we're viewing possible acquisitions of strategic value. And I've referred to this particular segment of our growth strategy as opportunistic acquisitions.

Speaker #2: The first strategy of investing and building upon the Natroba business and the U.S. operations to position it as a platform for further growth includes the launch of a direct-to-consumer, or DTC, sales model.

Speaker #2: To implement our existing sales or supplement our existing sales approach, we believe Natroba is well-suited for this model. Much work has gone into the development of the DTC sales model, and just recently, within the last week, we have launched this DTC platform.

Speaker #2: Those in need of an effective treatment for head lice and scabies can now go to natroba.com to connect directly with a healthcare professional to determine if they qualify for a prescription for Natroba.

Craig Mull: Those in need of an effective treatment for head lice and scabies can now go to Natroba.com to connect directly with a healthcare professional to determine if they qualify for a prescription for Natroba. If qualified, our platform will streamline the process to obtain a prescription, efficiently adjudicate a claim, and provide a convenient local pickup or delivery option to consumers. The strategy also includes partnerships with retailers to ensure Natroba and spinosad is adequately stocked in states and city centers across the US, so it is available through this platform. We are excited about the launch of our new DTC strategy and expect it to provide an efficient way for those in need of an effective treatment for head lice and scabies to obtain a prescription for our product, Natroba.

Speaker #2: If qualified, our platform will streamline the process to obtain a prescription, efficiently adjudicate a claim, and provide a convenient local pickup or delivery option to consumers.

Speaker #2: The strategy also includes partnerships with retailers to ensure Natroba and Spinosad are adequately stocked in states and city centers across the U.S., so they are available through this platform.

Speaker #2: We are excited about the launch of our new TDC strategy and expect it to provide an efficient way for those in need of an effective treatment for head lice and scabies to obtain a prescription for our product, Natroba.

Speaker #2: The second area of our business development strategy is the pursuit of acquiring or in-licensing complementary products which can be directly commercialized through our existing U.S. and Canadian commercial infrastructures.

Craig Mull: The second area of our business development strategy is the pursuit of acquiring or in-licensing complementary products, which can be directly commercialized through our existing US and Canadian commercial infrastructures, particularly our well-established US sales force. We are currently active in discussions with various parties, and we continue to progress these discussions as well as explore additional opportunities. As we have said previously, although we continue to pursue various opportunities, business development activities do take time, and the opportunities may or may not come to realization. We will continue to provide updates in this area. The third strategy is that we're pursuing launching Natroba in Canada. As recently announced on 28 January, Health Canada accepted for review our New Drug Submission for Natroba.

Speaker #2: Particularly our well-established U.S. sales force. We are currently active in discussions with various parties, and we continue to progress these discussions as well as explore additional opportunities.

Speaker #2: As we have said previously, although we continue to pursue various opportunities, business development activities do take time, and the opportunities may or may not come to realization.

Speaker #2: We will continue to provide updates in this area. The third strategy is that we're pursuing launching Natroba in Canada. As recently announced on January 28, Health Canada accepted for review our New Drug Submission for Natroba.

Speaker #2: This puts us one step closer to providing Canadians with an effective single treatment option for head lice and scabies. And we believe Natroba will fit an unmet need in Canada for a highly effective treatment.

Craig Mull: This puts us one step closer to providing Canadians with an effective single treatment option for head lice and scabies, and we believe Natroba will fit an unmet need in Canada for a highly effective treatment. We expect to receive Health Canada's decision with respect to its review of Natroba by the end of 2026. We will continue to provide updates as developments occur with Health Canada's review process. The fourth strategy we are undertaking is pursuing out-licensing opportunities for Natroba globally. We continue to believe there is a high unmet need for a highly effective product like Natroba to address both head lice and scabies indications in other territories globally. However, as mentioned on previous calls, we believe it is important to find the right fit with our out-licensing partner for Natroba, and as a result, this strategy is taking time.

Speaker #2: We expect to receive Health Canada's decision with respect to its review of Natroba by the end of 2026. We will continue to provide updates as developments occur with Health Canada's review process.

Speaker #2: The fourth strategy we are undertaking is pursuing out-license opportunities for Natroba globally. We continue to believe there is a high unmet need for a highly effective product like Natroba to address both head lice and scabies indications in other territories globally.

Speaker #2: However, as mentioned on previous calls, we believe it is important to find the right fit with our out-licensing partner for Natroba, and as a result, this strategy is taking time.

Craig Mull: Product pricing in territories outside of the US is an important element we must consider when finding the right fit for out-licensing. With that being said, we hope to provide exciting updates as developments in this area occur. Fifth, and lastly, as part of our strategic plan for growing the business is evaluating and pursuing company acquisitions which may have strategic value to Cipher. We believe that Cipher would benefit from additional size and scale, including its pursuit of the business development strategies I previously mentioned. Accordingly, acquiring companies that would add to our size and scale, as well as provide other strategic benefits, has also become a focus of our strategies to drive shareholder value. Accordingly, we are actively sourcing, evaluating, and pursuing company acquisitions that achieve these objectives. We look forward to providing updates on this area of our business as we progress.

Speaker #2: Product pricing in territories outside of the US is an important element we must consider when finding the right fit for out-licensing. With that being said, we hope to provide exciting updates as developments in this area occur.

Speaker #2: Fifth and lastly, as part of our strategic plan for growing the business, is evaluating and pursuing company acquisitions which may have strategic value to Cipher.

Speaker #2: We believe that CIPHER would benefit from additional size and scale, including its pursuit of the business development strategies I previously mentioned. Accordingly, acquiring companies that would add to our size and scale, as well as provide other strategic benefits, has also become a focus of our strategies to drive shareholder value.

Speaker #2: Accordingly, we are actively sourcing, evaluating, and pursuing company acquisitions that achieve these objectives. We look forward to providing updates on this area of our business as we progress.

Craig Mull: Thank you again for joining us here today, and I look forward to answering questions after our prepared remarks. I will now pass the call over to our CFO, Ryan Mailling. Please go ahead, Ryan.

Speaker #2: Thank you again for joining us here today, and I look forward to answering questions after our prepared remarks. I will now pass the call over to our CFO, Ryan Mailing. Please go ahead, Ryan.

Ryan Mailling: Thanks, Craig, and good morning, everyone. As Craig mentioned at the beginning of today's call, all amounts provided are expressed in US dollars unless otherwise noted. Today, Cipher Pharmaceuticals is reporting results from the company's Q4 and full fiscal year 2025, the three- and 12-month periods ended 31 December 2025. I will first discuss the highlights from our Q4 results, then turn my comments to our 2025 annual results. Highlights for the Q4 include total net revenue for the three-month period ended 31 December 2025 was $12.2 million. Net revenue for the Q4 of 2025 increased by $0.4 million or 3% compared to the same quarter in the prior year. The increase was attributable to growth of the US-based Natroba business and Canadian product portfolio, which is partially offset by reduced licensing revenue.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Craig. Good morning, everyone. As Craig mentioned at the beginning of today's call, all amounts provided are expressed in US dollars unless otherwise noted.

Speaker #3: Today, CIPHER Pharmaceuticals is reporting results from the company's fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2025, for the three- and 12-month periods ended December 31, 2025.

Speaker #3: I will first discuss the highlights from our fourth quarter results, then turn my comments to our 2025 annual results. Highlights for the fourth quarter include: total net revenue for the three-month period ended December 31, 2025, was $12.2 million.

Speaker #3: Net revenue for the fourth quarter of 2025 increased by $0.4 million, or 3%, compared to the same quarter in the prior year. The increase was attributable to growth of the US-based Natroba business and Canadian product portfolio, which was partially offset by reduced licensing revenue.

Ryan Mailling: Product revenue from the US-based Natroba business, comprised of the brand Natroba and its authorized generic spinosad, was $7.4 million for Q4 2025, compared to $6.5 million for the same period in the prior year, representing an increase of $0.9 million or 14%. Product revenue for the Canadian product portfolio for Q4 2025 was $4.2 million, compared to $4 million for the same period in 2024, representing an increase of $0.2 million or 5%. The products comprising our Canadian portfolio benefited from a combination of increased sales volumes and favorable changes in product mix for certain products for Q4 2025 compared to the same period in the prior year, contributing to the overall increase in revenue. Moving on to our US licensing revenue.

Speaker #3: Product revenue from the US-based Natroba business, comprised of the brand Natroba and its authorized generic Spinosad, was $7.4 million for the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to $6.5 million for the same period in the prior year, representing an increase of $0.9 million or 14%.

Speaker #3: Product revenue for the Canadian product portfolio for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $4.2 million, compared to $4.0 million for the same period in 2024.

Speaker #3: Representing an increase of 0.2 million, or 5%. The products comprising our Canadian portfolio benefited from a combination of increased sales volumes and favorable changes in product mix for certain products for the fourth quarter of 2025 compared to the same period in the prior year.

Speaker #3: Contributing to the overall increase in revenue. Moving on to our U.S. licensing revenue, total licensing revenue for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $0.6 million.

Ryan Mailling: Total licensing revenue for Q4 2025 was $0.6 million. Licensing revenue decreased by $0.8 million for the three months ended 31 December 2025, compared to the same period in prior year, primarily due to reduced revenue from product shipments to Cipher's distribution partners, combined with lower net sales realized by these distribution partners on which Cipher earns a royalty. Gross margin for Q4 2025 was 81%, compared to 57% for the same period in 2024. Gross margin during Q1 2024 was impacted by fair value adjustments to acquired inventory that are included in the cost of products sold, which is in connection with the company's acquisition of the US-based Natroba business during the prior year.

Speaker #3: Licensing revenue decreased by $0.8 million for the three months ended December 31, 2025, compared to the same period in the prior year, primarily due to reduced revenue from product shipments to Cipher's distribution partners, combined with lower net sales realized by these distribution partners on which Cipher earns a royalty.

Speaker #3: Gross margin for the fourth quarter of 2025 was 81%, compared to 57% for the same period in 2024. Gross margin during the first quarter of 2024 was impacted by fair value adjustments to acquired inventory that are included in the cost of products sold.

Speaker #3: This is in connection with the company's acquisition of the US-based Natroba business during the prior year. Excluding the impact of these non-recurring fair value adjustments in the prior year, CIPHER has experienced an approximately 1% increase in gross margin year over year, benefiting from additional revenues of Natroba, partially offset by the impact of reduced licensing revenue during the fourth quarter of 2025.

Ryan Mailling: Excluding the impact of these non-recurring fair value adjustments in the prior year, Cipher has experienced approximately 1% increase in gross margin year-over-year, benefiting from additional revenues of Natroba, partially offset by the impact of reduced licensing revenue during the Q4 2025. Selling, general, and administrative expenses for the three months ended 31 December 2025 were $3.9 million, compared to $5.7 million during the three months ended 31 December 2024. Selling, general, and administrative expenses for the Q4 2025 of $3.9 million represented a decrease of $1.8 million or 32% compared to the same quarter in the prior year.

Speaker #3: General selling, general, and administrative expenses for the three months ended December 31, 2025, were $3.9 million, compared to $5.7 million during the three months ended December 31, 2024.

Speaker #3: Selling, general, and administrative expenses for the fourth quarter of 2025 of $3.9 million represented a decrease of $1.8 million, or 32%, compared to the same quarter in the prior year.

Ryan Mailling: The decrease was primarily attributable to non-recurring acquisition-related costs in the prior year in connection with the US-based Natroba acquisition, combined with a reduction of $0.7 million in legal costs associated with a matter subject to arbitration in Q4 2025 compared to the same period in 2024. The remaining decrease is driven by operational efficiencies gained with respect to selling, marketing, and general administrative expenses within the US-based Natroba business year-over-year. Net income for the three months ended 31 December 2025 was $13.3 million or $0.51 per diluted common share, compared to $3.3 million or $0.13 per diluted common share for the same period in prior year.

Speaker #3: The decrease was primarily attributable to non-recurring acquisition-related costs in the prior year in connection with the US-based Natroba acquisition, combined with a reduction of $0.7 million in legal costs associated with the matter subject to arbitration in the fourth quarter of 2025 compared to the same period in 2024.

Speaker #3: The remaining decrease is driven by operational efficiencies gained with respect to selling, marketing, and general administrative expenses within the U.S.-based Natroba business year over year.

Speaker #3: Net income for the three months ended December 31, 2025, was $13.3 million, or $0.51 per diluted common share. Compared to $3.3 million, or $0.13 per diluted common share for the same period in the prior year, additional operating income in the fourth quarter of 2025 from the US-based Natroba business contributed to an increase in net income.

Ryan Mailling: Additional operating income in the Q4 of 2025 from the US-based Natroba business contributed to an increase in net income, including reduced operating expenses due to the $2.7 million in non-recurring fair value adjustments inventory and the $0.9 million of non-recurring acquisition-related costs in connection with the Natroba acquisition, which occurred during the Q4 of 2024. Additionally, net income for the Q4 of 2025 benefited from $0.7 million reduction of legal costs that I referred to previously compared to the same period in 2024.

Speaker #3: Including reduced operating expenses due to the $2.7 million in non-recurring fair value adjustments to inventory and the $0.9 million of non-recurring acquisition-related costs in connection with the Natroba acquisition.

Speaker #3: Which occurred during the fourth quarter of 2024. Additionally, net income for the fourth quarter of 2025 benefited from a $0.7 million reduction of legal costs that are referred to previously, compared to the same period in 2024.

Ryan Mailling: Finally, movements in foreign exchange rates for the comparative period have also had opposite effects on net income, resulting in a foreign exchange gain of $0.5 million on the translation of the company's net assets and earnings denominated in Canadian dollars during Q4 2025, compared to a foreign exchange loss of $1.8 million during the same period in 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 2025 was $7 million, compared to $5 million for Q4 2024, representing an increase of $2 million or 40%. The increase in adjusted EBITDA was mainly driven by the US-based Natroba business. For Q4 2025, we continued to generate strong cash flows from operations, with the business having generated $8.7 million in cash during the quarter.

Speaker #3: Finally, movements in foreign exchange rates for the comparative period have also had opposite effects on net income, resulting in a foreign exchange gain of $0.5 million on the translation of the company's net assets and earnings denominated in Canadian dollars during the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to a foreign exchange loss of $1.8 million during the same period in 2024.

Speaker #3: Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $7 million, compared to $5 million for the fourth quarter of 2024, representing an increase of $2 million, or 40%.

Speaker #3: The increase in adjusted EBITDA was mainly driven by the U.S.-based Natroba business. For the fourth quarter of 2025, we continue to generate strong cash flows from operations, with the business having generated $8.7 million in cash during the quarter.

Ryan Mailling: I will now turn your attention to our results for the full year of 2025. Total net revenue for the year ended December 31, 2025 was $50.5 million, compared to $33.4 million for the year ended December 31, 2024. Net revenue for 2025 increased by $17.1 million or 51% compared to 2024. This increase was largely attributable to the US-based business, combined with growth in the Canadian product portfolio, which is then partially offset by reduced licensing revenue. Product revenue was $46.9 million for the year ended December 31, 2025, compared to $26.7 million in the prior year. This represents an increase of $20.2 million or 75% compared to 2024.

Speaker #3: I'll now turn your attention to our results for the full year of 2025. Total net revenue for the year ended December 31, 2025, was $50.5 million, compared to $33.4 million for the year ended December 31, 2024.

Speaker #3: Net revenue for 2025 increased by $17.1 million, or 51%, compared to 2024. This increase was largely attributable to the US-based business combined with growth in the Canadian product portfolio, which was then partially offset by reduced licensing revenue.

Speaker #3: Product revenue was $46.9 million for the year ended December 31, 2025, compared to $26.7 million in the prior year. This represents an increase of $20.2 million, or 75%, compared to 2024.

Ryan Mailling: Contributing to the increase in product revenue for the year ended 31 December 2025 was a full year of sales activity for Natroba and its authorized generic, spinosad, compared to a five-month period for 2024, which is subsequent to the July 2024 acquisition of this business. Product revenue for the US-based Natroba business comprised the brand Natroba and its authorized generic, spinosad, was $30 million for the year ended 31 December 2025, compared to $12 million for the year ended 31 December 2024. Product revenue for our Canadian product portfolio was $16.9 million for the year ended 31 December 2025, compared to $14.7 million for 2024.

Speaker #3: Contributing to the increase in product revenue for the year ended December 31, 2025, was a full year of sales activity for Natroba and its authorized generics, Benesad.

Speaker #3: Compared to a five-month period for 2024, which is subsequent to the July 2024 acquisition of this business, product revenue for the US-based Natroba business, comprised of the brand Natroba and its authorized generics Benesad, was $30 million for the year ended December 31, 2025, compared to $12 million for the year ended December 31, 2024.

Speaker #3: Product revenue for a Canadian product portfolio was $16.9 million for the year ended December 31, 2025, compared to $14.7 million for 2024. This was an increase of $2.2 million, or 15%, largely attributable to APURIS, which was further supported by increased revenue from the vast majority of the remaining products in our Canadian portfolio.

Ryan Mailling: This was an increase of $2.2 million or 15%, largely attributable to Epuris, which is further supported by increased revenue from the vast majority of the remaining products in our Canadian portfolio. Revenue from Epuris increased $1.7 million or 13% from $13 million for the year ended December 31, 2024, up to $14.7 million for 2025. On a constant currency basis, excluding the impact of foreign exchange translation, Epuris revenue increased $2.2 million or 15% in 2025 compared to 2024. This increase in revenue from Epuris was largely attributable to higher sales volumes year-over-year. Overall, licensing revenue of $3.6 million for the year ended December 31, 2025, decreased by $3 million compared to $6.6 million for 2024.

Speaker #3: Revenue from APURIS increased $1.7 million, or 13%, from $13 million for the year ended December 31, 2024, up to $14.7 million for 2025. On a constant currency basis, excluding the impact of foreign exchange translation, APURIS revenue increased $2.2 million, or 15%, in 2025 compared to 2024.

Speaker #3: This increase in revenue from APURIS was largely attributable to higher sales volumes year over year. Overall, licensing revenue of $3.6 million for the year ended December 31, 2025, decreased by $3 million compared to $6.6 million for 2024.

Ryan Mailling: Licensing revenue from the Absorica portfolio in the US was $1.8 million for 2025, representing a decrease of $2.7 million compared to 2024. Revenue from Absorica for 2025 was impacted by year-over-year declines in product shipments on which we earn revenue from supplying product to our distribution partner. The decline in the Absorica licensing portfolio for 2025 was also impacted by lower royalty revenue, contributed to by lower sales volumes and net sales realized by our distribution partner, on which Cipher earns a net sales royalty. The products continue to face pressure in a highly competitive market, saturated by generic competition.

Speaker #3: Licensing revenue from the ABSORCA portfolio in the U.S. was $1.8 million for 2025, representing a decrease of $2.7 million compared to 2024. Revenue from ABSORCA for 2025 was impacted by year-over-year declines in product shipments on which we earn revenue from supplying product to our distribution partner.

Speaker #3: The decline in the ABSORCA licensing portfolio for 2025 was also impacted by lower royalty revenue, contributed to by lower sales volumes and net sales realized by our distribution partner.

Speaker #3: On which Cipher earns a net sales royalty. The products continue to face pressure in a highly competitive market saturated by generic competition. The royalties earned on net sales face further downward pressure during 2025, since these royalties will be earned at a lower rate for the full year of '25, in comparison to this lower rate only impacting the second half of 2024, with this contractual rate reduction occurring in the third quarter of 2024.

Ryan Mailling: The royalties earned on net sales faced further downward pressure during 2025, since these royalties were earned at a lower rate for the full year of 2025 in comparison to this lower rate only impacting the second half of 2024, with this contractual rate reduction occurring in Q3 2024. Further reductions to licensing revenue from the portfolio are due to Cipher no longer earning a royalty on Absorica LD in the US market for 2025. Licensing revenue from Lipofen and the authorized generic Lipofen was $1.6 million for 2025, representing a decrease of $0.4 million compared to the same period in 2024. This was attributable to lower sales volumes and net sales realized by our partner on these products, on which Cipher earns a net sales royalty.

Speaker #3: Further reductions to licensing revenue from the portfolio are due to Cipher no longer earning a royalty on ABSORCA LD in the U.S. market for 2025.

Speaker #3: Licensing revenue from LIPAFIN and the authorized generic LIPAFIN was $1.6 million for 2025, representing a decrease of $0.4 million compared to the same period in 2024.

Speaker #3: This was attributable to lower sales volumes and net sales realized by our partner on these products, on which Cipher earns a net sales royalty.

Ryan Mailling: Selling, general and administrative expenses for the year ended December 31, 2025, were $16.7 million, an increase of $1.7 million or 11% compared to $15 million for 2024. This increase was attributable to a full year of SG&A expenses for the acquired US business in 2024 compared to only 5 months of these expenses in 2024 post-acquisition. These increases in selling, general and administrative expenses were partially offset by $2.7 million in non-recurring acquisition-related costs in connection with the US-based Natroba business acquisition, which occurred in 2024, and these costs did not recur in 2025. Net income for the year ended December 31, 2025, was $27.3 million or $1.05 per diluted common share, compared to $11.5 million or $0.46 per diluted common share in 2024.

Speaker #3: Selling, general, and administrative expenses for the year ended December 31, 2025, were $16.7 million, an increase of $1.7 million, or 11%, compared to $15 million for 2024.

Speaker #3: This increase was attributable to a full year of SG&A expenses for the acquired US business in 2024, compared to only five months of these expenses in 2023 post-acquisition.

Speaker #3: These increases in selling, general, and administrative expenses were partially offset by $2.7 million in non-recurring acquisition-related costs in connection with the US-based Natroba business in 2024, and these costs did not recur in 2025.

Speaker #3: Net income for the year ended December 31, 2025, was $27.3 million, or $1.05 per diluted common share, compared to $11.5 million, or $0.46 per diluted common share, in 2024.

Ryan Mailling: Net income for the year ended 31 December 2025 benefited from the inclusion of the US-based Natroba business for the full year, compared to only 5 months in 2024 post-acquisition of this business. The increase in net income year-over-year was further contributed to by the $2.7 million of non-recurring acquisition-related costs and $1.9 million of non-cash fair value adjustments to acquired inventory in connection with the Natroba acquisition, which occurred in 2024 and did not recur in 2025. Adjusted EBITDA for the year ended 31 December 2025 was $28.1 million, compared to $15.7 million for 2024.

Speaker #3: Net income for the year ended December 31, 2025, benefited from the inclusion of the US-based Natroba business for the full year, compared to only five months in 2024 post-acquisition of this business.

Speaker #3: The increase in net income year over year was further contributed to by the $2.7 million of non-recurring acquisition-related costs and $1.9 million of non-cash fair value adjustments to acquired inventory in connection with the Natroba acquisition, which occurred in 2024, did not recur in 2025.

Speaker #3: Adjusted EBITDA for the year ended December 31, 2025, was $28.1 million compared to $15.7 million for 2024. This increase of 79% in adjusted EBITDA when compared to 2024 was mainly driven by the results of our US-based Natroba business for 2025, combined with growth in the Canadian product portfolio led by APURIS, partially offset by the declines we experienced in US licensing revenue.

Ryan Mailling: This increase of 79% in adjusted EBITDA when compared to 2024 was mainly driven by the results of our US-based Natroba business for 2025, combined with growth in the Canadian product portfolio led by Epuris, partially offset by the declines we experienced in US licensing revenue. The company had $7.5 million in cash and $5 million in outstanding debt as of 31 December 2025. Cipher continues to generate strong free cash flow from operations with $29.7 million in operating cash flows during 2025, including $8.7 million during Q4 of 2025. During the year, Cipher allocated $35 million of its accumulated cash to repayments on its revolving credit facility and utilized an additional $5.4 million accumulated cash for repurchases of common shares.

Speaker #3: The company had $7.5 million in cash and $5 million in outstanding debt as of December 31, 2025. Cipher continues to generate strong free cash flow from operations, with $29.7 million in operating cash flows during 2025, including $8.7 million during the fourth quarter of 2025.

Speaker #3: During the year, Cipher allocated $35 million of its accumulated cash to repayments on its revolving credit facility and utilized an additional $5.4 million of accumulated cash for repurchases of common shares under our normal course issuer bid.

Craig Mull: Under our Normal Course Issuer Bid. Due to the revolving nature of Cipher's credit facility, after making these repayments, we continue to have $85 million of potential financing available to us, comprising $60 million remaining available on our revolving credit facility, plus an additional $25 million accordion option. Cipher is well capitalized with very low leverage, strong cash flows from operations, and access to debt financing, which positions us very well to execute on our business strategy pursuing growth opportunities, which Craig highlighted during his remarks. We will now open the call up to questions.

Speaker #3: Due to the revolving nature of Cipher's credit facility, after making these repayments, we continue to have $85 million of potential financing available to us, comprising $60 million remaining available on our revolving credit facility plus an additional $25 million accordion option.

Speaker #3: CIPHER is well capitalized, with very low leverage, strong cash flows from operations, and access to debt financing, which positions us very well to execute on our business strategy pursuing growth opportunities—which Craig highlighted during his remarks.

Speaker #3: We will now open the call up to questions. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone.

Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by one on your touch-tone phone. Should you wish to cancel your request, please press star followed by two. If you're using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. Once again, press star one if you wish to ask a question. Your first question is from Justin Keywood. Your line is open.

Speaker #3: Should you wish to cancel your request, please press the star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys.

Speaker #3: Once again, there is star one should you wish to ask a question. Your first question is from Justin Kiewit. Your line is up.

Justin Keywood: Good morning. Thanks for taking my call and for the overview. On the DTC or direct to consumer strategy, are you able to provide some additional information around the strategy? Is it with one partner or multiple? And how does that work? Is there any increased OpEx to fuel that initiative? And how should we look at Natroba growth as a result for 2026?

Speaker #4: Good morning. Thanks for taking my call and for the overview. On the DTC, or direct-to-consumer, strategy—are you able to provide some additional information around the strategy?

Speaker #4: Is it with one partner or multiple? And how does that work? Is there any increase in OPEX to fuel that initiative? And how should we look at Natroba growth as a result for 2026?

Craig Mull: Justin, it's Craig Mull here. The platform that we described in our commentary here is really a fully integrated process for a patient to be able to go online, connect with it, or first of all, find out about the product, and then see a physician online and obtain a prescription. From there, for the product to be delivered to their homes or an indication of where they can pick the product up close to where they live. It's a fully integrated system, and we believe that Natroba is well fitted for this given the nature of the indications of head lice and scabies. You know, people want the product as quickly as possible.

Speaker #5: Justin, it's Craig Mulher. The platform that we described in our commentary here is really a completely, fully integrated process for a patient to be able to go online, connect with—or, first of all, find out about the product, and then see a physician online and obtain a prescription.

Speaker #5: And then from there, for the product to be delivered or delivered to their homes, or an indication of where they can pick the product up close to where they live.

Speaker #5: So it's a fully integrated system, and we believe that Natroba is well-fitted for this, given the nature of the indications of head lice and scabies.

Speaker #5: People want the product as quickly as possible. They don't necessarily want to wait in line to see their family doctor or wait to get an appointment, then see the doctor.

Craig Mull: They don't necessarily wanna wait in line to see their family doctor or wait to get an appointment, then see the doctor. They also wanna be able to obtain the product quickly. We think that this DTC platform that we've developed, you know, would meet a lot of those needs. In addition to that, we may be able to add other products to the same platform that have similar characteristics or for indications that have similar characteristics of head lice and scabies. We believe that once working effectively, that it's possible that we could actually lower our sales cost. On the growth potential with this platform, you know, the ease of getting the product may result in, you know, significant increase in volumes just due to the convenience.

Speaker #5: And then they also want to be able to obtain the product quickly, and so we think that this DTC platform that we've developed would meet a lot of those needs.

Speaker #5: In addition to that, we may be able to add other products to the same platform that have similar characteristics, or for indications that have similar characteristics to head lice and scabies.

Speaker #5: We believe that if it, once working, could actually lower our sales cost. On the growth potential with this platform, the ease of getting the product may result in a significant increase in volumes just due to the convenience.

Craig Mull: We were quite excited about it, and as I indicated, it's gone live about a week ago. Did I answer your question, Justin?

Speaker #5: So we're quite excited about it, and as I indicated, it's gone live about a week ago. Did I answer your question, Justin?

Justin Keywood: No, thank you. Maybe just to follow up. This is an internally developed DTC platform, if I understand.

Speaker #4: Oh, thank you. Maybe just to follow up—so this is an internally developed DCP/DTC platform, if I understand. And—

Craig Mull: Yeah, we have, you know, different groups, different outside companies that are experts in the various areas I described as part of our partnership. It's not really directly developed in-house. We have consultants and advisors that are helping us do it.

Speaker #5: Well, yeah, we have different groups, different outside companies that are experts in the various areas I described as part of our partnership, so it's not really directly developed in-house.

Speaker #5: We have consultants and advisors that are helping us do it.

Justin Keywood: Understood. How do consumers discover the platform? Like, how are they aware of this platform?

Speaker #4: Understood. How do consumers discover the platform? How are they aware of this platform?

Craig Mull: Well, to get greater awareness of the platform, you know, we're using, you know, Google, and other social media platforms, you know, to attract and educate patients so that they know where to go.

Speaker #5: Well, to get greater awareness of the platform, we're using Google and other social media platforms to attract and educate patients so that they know where to go.

Justin Keywood: Understood. I guess it's pretty early. Did you say it just went live last week?

Speaker #4: Understood. And I guess it's pretty early. Did you say it just went live last week?

Craig Mull: Yeah, less than a week ago.

Speaker #5: Yeah, less than a week ago.

Justin Keywood: Okay. All right. We'll look forward to those developments. Just on the business development, it sounds like there's two pursuits. One is for M&A into the US and leverage the platform there with Natroba. If I understand correctly, there's opportunistic M&A. Would that be outside of the US, or are you able just to provide some additional color on that? Thank you.

Speaker #4: Okay, all right. We'll look forward to those developments. And then just on the business development, it sounds like there are two pursuits. One is for M&A into the US and leveraging the platform there with Natroba. And then, if I understand correctly, there's opportunistic M&A—would that be outside of the US, or are you able to provide some additional color on that?

Craig Mull: It would be North American.

Speaker #4: Thank you.

Speaker #5: It would be North American.

Justin Keywood: What differentiates M&A into the US versus opportunistic M&A? What's the difference there?

Speaker #4: And what differentiates M&A into the US versus opportunistic M&A? What's the difference there?

Craig Mull: Well, you know, Justin, we believe that we need to get larger. We need to be able to compete against much larger companies on acquisitions. We may be looking to acquire a company that has excellent EBITDA percentages and numbers, and allow us to be able to use that cash flow to be more aggressive on acquisitions. It also might be easier to lead to a NASDAQ listing. Which is something that's one of our goals that we've talked about before.

Speaker #5: Well, Justin, we believe that we need to get larger. We need to be able to compete against much larger companies on acquisitions.

Speaker #5: And so, we may be looking to acquire a company that has excellent EBITDA percentages and numbers, and allow us to be able to use that cash flow to be more aggressive on acquisitions.

Speaker #5: It also might be easier to lead to a NASDAQ listing, which is something that we've discussed before as one of our goals.

Justin Keywood: Understood. Maybe just a quick one for Ryan. If you can remind us of the tax loss balance.

Speaker #4: Understood. Maybe just a quick one for Ryan—if you can remind us of the tax loss balance.

Ryan Mailling: The tax loss balance is about CAD 134 million at the end of the year.

Speaker #5: The tax loss balance is about $134 million at the end of the year.

Justin Keywood: That's USD?

Speaker #4: And that's USD?

Ryan Mailling: Yep. That is, that's obviously before the tax effect on it.

Speaker #5: Yep. And that's obviously before the tax effect on it.

Justin Keywood: Thank you very much.

Speaker #4: Thank you very much.

Operator: Thank you. Once again, please press star one if you wish to ask a question. Your next question is from Douglas Loe from Leede Financial. Your line is now open.

Speaker #6: Thank you once again. Please press star one should you wish to ask a question. And your next question is from Doug Lynn from Lead Financials.

Speaker #6: Your line is now open.

Douglas Loe: Yeah, thanks, operator, and congratulations on the quarter, gents. A couple of things. First of all, just on your sort of international out-licensing possibilities for Natroba. I mean, we've talked many times about the potential to enter the regional licensing deals. You know, I would assert as you would that a bad deal is worse than no deal. It's been a few quarters since you articulated that strategy. Just wondering if you're encountering lack of interest in the product or if there's still a delta between deal terms that you're willing to accept and partners are willing to accept. Just kinda walk me through the dynamics there and over what timeframe you think that you might be able to execute on that strategy specifically.

Doug Loe: Yeah, thanks, operator, and congratulations on the quarter, gents. A couple of things. First of all, just on your sort of international out-licensing possibilities for Natroba. I mean, we've talked many times about the potential to enter the regional licensing deals. You know, I would assert as you would that a bad deal is worse than no deal. It's been a few quarters since you articulated that strategy. Just wondering if you're encountering lack of interest in the product or if there's still a delta between deal terms that you're willing to accept and partners are willing to accept. Just kinda walk me through the dynamics there and over what timeframe you think that you might be able to execute on that strategy specifically.

Speaker #7: Yeah, thanks, operator, and congratulations on the quarter, gents. A couple of things. First of all, just on your sort of international out-licensing possibilities for Natroba—and we've talked many times about the potential to enter the regional licensing deals—and while I would assert, as you would, that a bad deal is worse than no deal, it's been a few quarters since you articulated that strategy.

Speaker #7: Just wondering if you're encountering lack of interest in the product, or if there's still a delta between deal terms that you're willing to accept and partners are willing to accept.

Speaker #7: Just kind of walk me through the dynamics there, and over what timeframe you think that you might be able to execute on that strategy specifically.

Craig Mull: Doug, it's Craig here. It's taking longer than we'd hoped. The main issue is not whether our potential partners think the product's effective or that it would, you know, sell. It's more the selling price that is the hurdle to get over at the moment. Although we've made good progress, you know, obviously, you know that drugs in the US are sold at a much higher price than in Europe and in Asia, for example. That has been one issue that we're hoping to get agreement on with our partners. There has been a significant amount of interest.

Speaker #5: Doug, it's Craig here. It's taking longer than we had hoped. The main issue is not whether our potential partners think the product's effective or that it would sell.

Speaker #5: It's more the selling price that is the hurdle to get over at the moment. Although we've made good progress, obviously, you know that drugs in the US are sold at a much higher price than in Europe and in Asia, for example.

Speaker #5: And so that has been one issue that we're hoping to get agreement on with our partners. But there has been a significant amount of interest.

Douglas Loe: Okay. That's good feedback. Thanks. And you know, just on the pipeline, I mean, in your MD&A, I mean, I see you still flag the Piclidenoson as a potential opportunity when Can-Fite completes phase 3 testing in a few years. But you also included MOB-015, which you know, we thought was a dead project. I'm not sure whether you put that in the MD&A just for motherhood reasons or if that's actually still live, if you think you might file that in with Health Canada or elsewhere. You know, just kinda walk me through the, you know, what is real and what is not in your products pipeline as described in the MD&A.

Doug Loe: Okay. That's good feedback. Thanks. And you know, just on the pipeline, I mean, in your MD&A, I mean, I see you still flag the Piclidenoson as a potential opportunity when Can-Fite completes phase 3 testing in a few years. But you also included MOB-015, which you know, we thought was a dead project. I'm not sure whether you put that in the MD&A just for motherhood reasons or if that's actually still live, if you think you might file that in with Health Canada or elsewhere. You know, just kinda walk me through the, you know, what is real and what is not in your products pipeline as described in the MD&A.

Speaker #7: Okay. That's good feedback. Thanks. And just on the pipeline, I mean, in your MDNA, I mean, I see you still flagged the PICLIDENAZON as a potential opportunity when can feed completes phase three testing in a few years.

Speaker #7: But you also included MOB015, which we thought was a dead project. I'm not sure whether you put that in the MD&A just for motherhood reasons, or if that's actually still live, if you think you might file that in with Health Canada or elsewhere.

Speaker #7: So, just kind of walk me through the—what is real and what is not in your product pipeline as described in the MD&A.

Douglas Loe: I'll leave it there. Thanks.

Doug Loe: I'll leave it there. Thanks.

Speaker #7: And I'll leave it there. Thanks.

Craig Mull: We continue to list MOB as an opportunity 'cause we, you know, haven't decided that we, you know, do not wanna pursue it any longer. We don't, you know, we've got a license in place. There's no need to just cancel that. We know that there's been some activity with Moberg in Europe, where they've partnered up with the owners of Lamisil-

Speaker #5: We continue to list MOB as an opportunity because we haven't decided that we do not want to pursue it any longer. We don't have a license in place.

Speaker #5: There's no need to just cancel that. We know that there's been some activity with Moberg in Europe, where they've partnered up with the owners of Lamicil.

Douglas Loe: Mm-hmm.

Doug Loe: Mm-hmm.

Craig Mull: which is a highly complementary product to theirs. We're monitoring their progress with that. You know, we think that the performance in the Scandinavian countries was impressive, and I don't think we just wanna discard this opportunity. It hasn't been a high priority for us.

Speaker #5: Which is a highly complementary product to theirs, and so we're monitoring their progress with that. We think that the performance in the Scandinavian countries was impressive, and I don't think we just want to discard this opportunity.

Speaker #5: But it hasn't been a high priority for us.

Douglas Loe: Got it. Great. Thanks, Craig.

Doug Loe: Got it. Great. Thanks, Craig.

Speaker #7: Got it. Great. Thanks, Craig.

Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions. Sorry, we still have one more. Andre Uddin from Research Capital. Your line is now open.

Speaker #6: Thank you. There are no further questions. Sorry, we still have one more. Andre Eden from Research Capital, your line is now open.

Andre Uddin: Thank you, operator. Hi, Craig, Ryan, and Bryan. The sales reps you currently have right now in the US, and then just a couple questions. What is the current run rate for the Absorica franchise in the US, and would you be looking to add more sales reps next year, you take that product on?

Speaker #8: Thank you, operator. Hi, Craig, Ryan, and Brian. The sales reps—do you currently have right now in the US? And then just a couple of questions.

Speaker #8: What is the current run rate for the Observica franchise in the US, and would you be looking to add more sales reps next year?

Speaker #8: You take that product on.

Craig Mull: Andre, I'm gonna answer the question about the sales reps and I'm gonna hand it over to Ryan about the Absorica royalty. We have about 28 sales reps in the US at the moment, combination of inside reps and external reps. As we grow that business, I expect that we would likely need more reps as we add more products to their bags. We're hoping that the DTC platform we've discussed earlier will augment their activity and be another strategy for us getting the awareness and the availability of the product out to patients. I'd say that as we in-license or acquire more products for the US platform, we'll likely need more reps and part of that will be augmented by the DTC platform.

Speaker #5: Andrea, I'm going to answer the question about the sales reps, and then I'm going to hand it over to Ryan about the Observica royalty. We have about 28 sales reps in the U.S. at the moment.

Speaker #5: Combination of inside reps and external reps. As we grow that business, I expect that we would likely need more reps as we add more products to their bags.

Speaker #5: We're hoping that the ETC platform we've discussed earlier will augment their activity and be another strategy for us to get the awareness and the availability of the product out to patients.

Speaker #5: So I'd say that, as we enlicense, we're acquiring more products for the US platform. We'll likely need more reps, and part of that will be augmented by the DTC platform.

Ryan Mailling: Then in terms of the run rate for the Absorica business, you know, I would say it's gonna be on an annualized basis, it would be closer to if you looked at Q3 2025 kind of run rate that quarter. Obviously, you know, we're not very pleased with the performance of our partner, and we're obviously investigating other opportunities or investigating their performance as well.

Speaker #5: And then in terms of the run rate for the Observica business, I would say it's going to be for on an annualized basis, it would be closer to if you looked at Q3 2025, kind of run rate that quarter.

Speaker #5: But obviously, we're not very pleased with the performance of our partner, and we're obviously investigating other opportunities or investigating their performance as well.

Andre Uddin: All right. Could you just let us know roughly what that is in sales in terms of what the Absorica sales are, roughly the run rate?

Speaker #8: Brian, could you just let us know roughly what that is in sales, in terms of what the Observica sales are? Roughly, the run rate?

Ryan Mailling: For Q3 of 2025, that quarter was about $350,000 for the quarter.

Speaker #5: So for Q3 last year, or Q3 of 2025, the run rate was about, or that quarter was about $350,000 for the quarter.

Andre Uddin: Was that royalties or sales?

Speaker #8: Was that royalties or sales?

Ryan Mailling: Sorry, that's the royalties earned.

Speaker #5: Sorry, that's the royalties earned. I think he wants the sales. I'd have to double-check what the actual sales from at Sun were that quarter.

Craig Mull: I think he wants the sales.

Ryan Mailling: I'd have to double-check what the actual sales from, you know, at Sun were that quarter. You know, they do fluctuate, but their net sales have been declining.

Speaker #5: They do fluctuate, but their net sales have been declining.

Andre Uddin: Okay. Okay, that's great. Okay, thank you.

Speaker #8: Okay. Okay. That's great. Okay, thank you.

Craig Mull: If there isn't any more questions?

Speaker #5: If there isn't any more questions, so before signing off, I'd like to before signing off, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for joining us today.

Operator: I think.

Craig Mull: Before signing off, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for joining us today, and we look forward to providing further updates on Cipher's continued growth. Thank you.

Speaker #5: And we look forward to providing further updates on CIPHER's continued growth. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now ended. Thank you all for joining. You may all disconnect your lines.

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