Q4 2025 Dragonfly Energy Holdings Corp Earnings Call

March 16, 2026

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Operator: Hello participants. We will be starting shortly. Thank you for your patience.Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Dragonfly Energy Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Monday, 16 March 2026. I would now like to turn the conference over to Szymon Serowiecki, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Operator: Hello participants. We will be starting shortly. Thank you for your patience. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Dragonfly Energy Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Monday, 16 March 2026. I would now like to turn the conference over to Szymon Serowiecki, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Dragonfly Energy Fourth Quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode.

Speaker #2: Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator.

Speaker #2: This call is being recorded on Monday, March 16, 2026. I would now like to turn the conference over to Szymon Serowiecki, Investor Relations.

Speaker #2: Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Thank you, operator. Appreciate you joining us for today's call. Joining me here today are Denis Phares, Dragonfly Energy's chairman, president, and chief executive officer, and Wade Seaburg, chief commercial officer.

Speaker #3: On the call today, we will be discussing fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial and operating results. These results are preliminary, as they are subject to finalization and adjustment in connection with the preparation of our annual report on Form 10-K for fiscal 2025.

Speaker #3: To be filed later this month. More detail is provided in the press release. Before I turn the call over to Denis, I'd like to make a brief statement regarding forward-looking remarks.

Szymon Serowiecki: Thank you, operator. Appreciate you joining us for today's call. Joining me here today, Dr. Denis Phares, Dragonfly Energy's Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and Wade Seaburg, Chief Commercial Officer. On the call today, we will be discussing Q4 and full year 2025 financial and operating results. These results are preliminary as they are subject to finalization and adjustment in connection with the preparation of our annual report on Form 10-K for fiscal 2025, to be filed later this month. More detail is provided in the press release. Before I turn the call over to Denis, I'd like to make a brief statement regarding forward-looking remarks. During this call, the company will be making forward-looking remarks within the meaning of the United States Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and based on current expectations.

Speaker #3: During this call, the company will be making forward-looking remarks within the meaning of the United States Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, based on current expectations.

Speaker #3: These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors which could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements.

Speaker #3: Actual results may differ due to factors noted in the press release and in periodic ICC filings. Management will reference some non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the nearest corresponding GAAP measure can be found in today's release on the company's website.

Speaker #3: Please note that all comparisons will be discussed today on a year-over-year basis unless otherwise noted. I will now turn the call over to Denis.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Simon. And thank you, everyone, for joining us today. First, I'd like to take a moment to reflect on the meaningful progress Dragonfly Energy has made in 2025.

Szymon Serowiecki: These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors which could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ due to factors noted in the press release and in periodic SEC filings. Management will reference some non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the nearest corresponding GAAP measure can be found in today's release on the company's website. Please note that all comparisons that will be discussed today are on a year-over-year basis unless otherwise noted. I'm now going to call over to Denis Phares.

Speaker #4: Throughout the past year, we focused on strengthening our financial foundation, expanding our commercial footprint, and validating our technology across multiple industries. We believe these efforts have positioned Dragonfly Energy to capitalize on the opportunities we see ahead.

Speaker #4: A key priority was strengthening our balance sheet and capital structure. During 2025, we completed several capital-raising transactions, including a significant debt restructuring that materially improved our liquidity position and simplified the balance sheet.

Denis Phares: Thank you, Szymon, and thank you everyone for joining us today. First, I'd like to take a moment to reflect on the meaningful progress Dragonfly Energy has made in 2025. Throughout the past year, we focused on strengthening our financial foundation, expanding our commercial footprint, and validating our technology across multiple industries. We believe these efforts have positioned Dragonfly Energy to capitalize on the opportunities we see ahead. A key priority was strengthening our balance sheet and capital structure. During 2025, we completed several capital-raising transactions, including a significant debt restructuring that materially improved our liquidity position and simplified the balance sheet. Importantly, these actions provided the financial flexibility needed to focus on operational execution and support our commercial growth initiatives.

Speaker #4: Importantly, these actions provided the financial flexibility needed to focus on operational execution and support our commercial growth initiatives. For the full year, net sales increased 16% to $58.6 million.

Speaker #4: Primarily driven by growth in our OEM channel, where revenue grew 34% year over year. This performance was driven by continued integration of our lithium power systems across a growing number of RVOEMs, despite ongoing pressure in the broader market.

Speaker #4: One of the most notable developments during the year was our progress in the heavy-duty trucking industry. After an extended pilot program, Werner Enterprises, one of the largest fleets in North America, placed its first order of our Battle Born dual-flow power pack in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #4: We believe the transition from pilot testing to a commercial order represents a meaningful validation of the technology and highlights the operational benefits our system can deliver to fleet operators.

Denis Phares: For the full year, net sales increased 16% to $58.6 million, primarily driven by growth in our OEM channel, where revenue grew 34% year-over-year. This performance was driven by continued integration of our lithium power systems across a growing number of RV OEMs, despite ongoing pressure in the broader market. One of the most notable developments during the year was our progress in the heavy-duty trucking industry. After an extended pilot program, Werner Enterprises, one of the largest fleets in North America, placed its first order of our Battle Born DualFlow Power Pack in Q4. We believe the transition from pilot testing to a commercial order represents a meaningful validation of the technology and highlights the operational benefits our system can deliver to fleet operators.

Speaker #4: While this market has not yet contributed material revenue, the progress we have made positions us well to benefit as truck orders begin to normalize.

Speaker #4: At the same time, we continue to expand our reach into adjacent industries, including industrial, marine, and rail, while introducing new products that extend the Battle Born ecosystem.

Speaker #4: Wade will discuss these developments in more detail in a moment. Alongside this commercial progress, we also advanced our intellectual property portfolio, which now includes almost 90 issued or pending patents across battery technology, system integration capabilities, and proprietary software.

Speaker #4: This growing IP foundation supports the long-term development of our advanced battery technology and reinforces our position as a provider of integrated power solutions. As our customer base has continued to evolve toward OEM trucking and industrial markets, we felt it was important to also align the company's cost structure with these growth priorities, while ensuring that incentives across the organization remain closely aligned with long-term shareholder value.

Denis Phares: While this market has not yet contributed material revenue, the progress we have made positions us well to benefit as truck orders begin to normalize. At the same time, we continue to expand our reach into adjacent industries, including industrial, marine, and rail, while introducing new products that extend the Battle Born ecosystem. Wade will discuss these developments in more detail in a moment. Alongside this commercial progress, we also advanced our intellectual property portfolio, which now includes almost 90 issued or pending patents across battery technology, system integration capabilities, and proprietary software. This growing IP foundation supports the long-term development of our advanced battery technology and reinforces our position as a provider of integrated power solutions.

Speaker #4: Earlier this month, we implemented a series of actions to strategically realign our cost structure. The initiative includes several key elements. At the leadership level, members of Dragonfly's executive leadership team and board of directors have agreed to reduce their cash compensation by approximately 20% for the remainder of fiscal 2026, effective April 1, 2026.

Denis Phares: As our customer base has continued to evolve toward OEM trucking and industrial markets, we felt it was important to also align the company's cost structure with these growth priorities while ensuring that incentives across the organization remain closely aligned with long-term shareholder value. Earlier this month, we implemented a series of actions to strategically realign our cost structure. The initiative includes several key elements. At the leadership level, members of Dragonfly's executive leadership team and board of directors have agreed to reduce their cash compensation by approximately 20% for the remainder of fiscal 2026, effective 1 April 2026. In lieu of cash compensation, they have received equity-based incentives directly aligning leadership compensation with long-term share price performance and reinforcing our commitment to creating value for shareholders. This action underscores the confidence we have in our ability to drive long-term shareholder value.

Speaker #4: In lieu of cash compensation, they have received equity-based incentives, directly aligning leadership compensation with long-term share price performance and reinforcing our commitment to creating value for shareholders.

Speaker #4: This action underscores the confidence we have in our ability to drive long-term shareholder value. We are also implementing targeted workforce and compensation adjustments designed to reduce overall payroll expense.

Speaker #4: These actions include a combination of selective workforce reductions and salary adjustments, which are expected to reduce our overall payroll expense by approximately 20%. Non-executive employees have received equity-based compensation again, better aligning our employees with shareholders.

Speaker #4: Third, we are reducing discretionary spending across the organization as we shift resources toward OEM trucking and industrial markets—areas where we see the strongest commercial opportunities.

Speaker #4: This includes a reduction in DTC-focused marketing spend. Taken together, these actions are expected to generate annualized cost savings of approximately $4.9 million. We also expect an additional expense reduction of $4.0 million through consolidation of rental space.

Denis Phares: We are also implementing targeted workforce and compensation adjustments designed to reduce overall payroll expense. These actions include a combination of selective workforce reductions and salary adjustments, which are expected to reduce our overall payroll expense by approximately 20%. Non-executive employees have received equity-based compensation, again, better aligning our employees with shareholders. Third, we are reducing discretionary spending across the organization as we shift resources toward OEM, trucking, and industrial markets, areas where we see the strongest commercial opportunities. This includes a reduction in DTC-focused marketing spending. Taken together, these actions are expected to generate annualized cost savings of approximately $4.9 million. We also expect an additional expense reduction of $4.0 million through consolidation of rental space. Collectively, this results in an annual increase in adjusted EBITDA of $8.9 million.

Speaker #4: Collectively, this results in an annual increase in adjusted EBITDA of $8.9 million. Importantly, we believe the organization is now appropriately sized, while still retaining the resources needed to support disciplined growth as the business scales.

Speaker #4: As outlined in our release, we believe these changes help position the company to reach positive adjusted EBITDA, which we expect to achieve as the business approaches an annual revenue run rate of approximately $70 million.

Speaker #4: Ultimately, the actions we have taken, including strengthening the balance sheet, expanding our commercial partnerships, and aligning our cost structure, are intended to support our path toward achieving positive adjusted EBITDA as the business continues to scale.

Denis Phares: Importantly, we believe the organization is now appropriately sized while still retaining the resources needed to support disciplined growth as the business scales. As outlined in our release, we believe these changes help position the company to reach positive adjusted EBITDA, which we expect to achieve as the business approaches an annual revenue run rate of approximately $70 million. Ultimately, the actions we have taken, including strengthening the balance sheet, expanding our commercial partnerships, and aligning our cost structure, are intended to support our path toward achieving positive adjusted EBITDA as the business continues to scale, while also aligning the entire organization with shareholders of our company. With that, I'll turn the call over to Wade.

Speaker #4: …while also aligning the entire organization with shareholders of our company. With that, I'll turn the call over to Wade.

Speaker #5: Thank you, Dennis. I'd like to spend a few minutes discussing the progress we're seeing across our commercial markets—particularly in heavy-duty trucking and the adjacent industries, where Dragonfly Energy continues to expand its presence.

Speaker #5: Starting with trucking, as we have highlighted in previous calls, we believe the heavy-duty trucking market represents one of the most compelling long-term opportunities for Dragonfly Energy.

Speaker #5: Fleets are increasingly focused on reducing fuel consumption, lowering operating costs, and improving driver comfort while navigating tightening emissions regulations. The commercial opportunity we have been building remains intact.

Wade Seaburg: Thank you, Denis. I'd like to spend a few minutes discussing the progress we're seeing across our commercial markets, particularly in heavy-duty trucking and the adjacent industries where Dragonfly Energy continues to expand its presence. Starting with trucking, as we have highlighted in previous calls, we believe the heavy-duty trucking market represents one of the most compelling long-term opportunities for Dragonfly Energy. Fleets are increasingly focused on reducing fuel consumption, lowering operating costs, and improving driver comfort while navigating tightening emissions regulations. The commercial opportunity we have been building remains intact, though the timeline for meaningful revenue contribution has extended beyond what we initially anticipated. While this revenue is not yet reflected in our guidance for Q1 2026, fleet engagement continues to progress. We are now beginning to see larger commitments emerge as fleets move beyond evaluation phases.

Speaker #5: Though the timeline for meaningful revenue contribution has extended beyond what we initially anticipated, this revenue is not yet reflected in our guidance for Q1 2026. Fleet engagement continues to progress.

Speaker #5: We are now beginning to see larger commitments emerge as fleets move beyond evaluation phases. As we progress through 2026, several fleets are working toward deployments involving hundreds of trucks per fleet, reflecting growing confidence in lithium-powered auxiliary power systems as a practical solution for reducing idling and improving operational efficiency.

Speaker #5: In the fourth quarter of 2025, we announced a major commercial milestone with Werner Enterprises. Following a successful long-term pilot, Werner Enterprises placed an initial production order for our battle-born dual-flow power pack solutions.

Speaker #5: This represents the largest fleet deployment of our systems to date, and provides important validation for the technology in real-world commercial operations. The program demonstrates how fleets can reduce idling, lower fuel costs, and improve driver comfort while maintaining uptime.

Wade Seaburg: As we progress through 2026, several fleets are working toward deployments involving hundreds of trucks per fleet, reflecting growing confidence in lithium-powered auxiliary power systems as a practical solution for reducing idling and improving operational efficiency. In Q4 2025, we announced a major commercial milestone with Werner Enterprises. Following a successful long-term pilot, Werner Enterprises placed an initial production order for our Battle Born DualFlow Power Pack solutions. This represents the largest fleet deployment of our systems to date and provides important validation for the technology in real-world commercial operations. The program demonstrates how fleets can reduce idling, lower fuel costs, and improve driver comfort while maintaining uptime. Importantly, this order was placed during a prolonged freight recession in which many carriers are delaying capital spending, reflecting the real-world value our systems deliver.

Speaker #5: Importantly, this order was placed during a prolonged freight recession, in which many carriers are delaying capital spending—reflecting the real-world value our systems deliver.

Speaker #5: The Battle Born dual-flow power pack, which is one of our key products for this industry, also received external recognition during the year when it was honored with the SEAL Sustainable Product and Innovation Awards.

Speaker #5: We highlight innovative technologies delivering measurable environmental impact. This recognition highlights the operational and environmental benefits the system is designed to deliver. Our solutions significantly reduce diesel idling during driver rest periods, and in many deployments, fleets have seen idle time reduced by nearly 70%, preventing an estimated 10 to 12 metric tons of CO2 emissions per vehicle annually when deployed at scale.

Wade Seaburg: The Battle Born DualFlow Power Pack, which is one of our key products for this industry, also received external recognition during the year when it was honored with the SEAL Business Sustainability Awards, which highlight innovative technologies delivering measurable environmental impact. This recognition highlights the operational and environmental benefits the system is designed to deliver. Our solutions significantly reduce diesel idling during driver rest periods, and in many deployments, fleets have seen idle time reduced by nearly 70%, preventing an estimated 10 to 12 metric tons of CO2 emissions per vehicle annually when deployed at scale. Turning to the RV market, we ended 2025 having notably expanded our OEM footprint, with Battle Born batteries now standard across select model lineups, Airstream, nuCamp RV, and Ember RV. These partnerships reflect growing OEM recognition of the value our integrated lithium power systems deliver.

Speaker #5: Turning to the RV market, we ended 2025 having notably expanded our OEM footprint, with Battle Born Batteries now standard across select model lineups: Airstream, Awaken RV, and Ember RV.

Speaker #5: These partnerships reflect growing OEM recognition of the value our integrated lithium power systems deliver, and we expect these relationships to continue deepening in 2026.

Speaker #5: Beyond RV and trucking, we are seeing encouraging traction in several adjacent markets. A notable example is the rail sector, where the American Railway Engineering and Maintenance-of-Way Association (AREMA) recently approved the industry's first lithium battery standard.

Speaker #5: This development is important because it provides rail operators with a clear framework for evaluating lithium-based energy storage systems across communications and signaling infrastructure—an area that has historically relied on legacy battery technologies.

Wade Seaburg: We expect these relationships to continue deepening in 2026. Beyond RV and trucking, we are seeing encouraging traction in several adjacent markets. A notable example is the rail sector, where the American Railway Engineering and Maintenance-of-Way Association, AREMA, recently approved the industry's first lithium battery standard. This development is important because it provides rail operators with a clear framework for evaluating lithium-based energy storage systems across communications and signaling infrastructure, an area that has historically relied on legacy battery technologies. Following this milestone, our partnership with National Railway Supply has begun introducing Dragonfly Energy's lithium battery systems into the rail market, positioning us to support the industry's transition toward more advanced and reliable energy storage solutions. We are also seeing progress in the marine market through our partnership with World Cat, a leading manufacturer of power catamarans.

Speaker #5: Following this milestone, our partnership with National Railway Supply has begun introducing Dragonfly Energy's lithium battery systems into the rail market, positioning us to support the industry's transition toward more advanced and reliable energy storage solutions.

Speaker #5: We are also seeing progress in the marine market through our partnership with WorldCat, a leading manufacturer of power catamarans. Following successful deployments across earlier models, WorldCat expanded the integration of battle-born power systems into additional platforms.

Speaker #5: Reinforcing the reliability of our technology in demanding marine environments. More broadly, we continue to expand the Battle Born ecosystem through new solutions designed for commercial applications.

Speaker #5: Including industrial power stations and integrated solar offerings that complement our energy storage system. Across these markets, we are seeing a consistent theme: customers are looking for reliable, efficient power solutions that integrate seamlessly into their operations.

Wade Seaburg: Following successful deployments across earlier models, World Cat expanded the integration of Battle Born power systems into additional platforms, reinforcing the reliability of our technology in demanding marine environments. More broadly, we continue to expand the Battle Born ecosystem through new solutions designed for commercial applications, including industrial power stations and integrated solar offerings that complement our energy storage system. Across these markets, we are seeing a consistent theme. Customers are looking for reliable, efficient power solutions that integrate seamlessly into their operations. We believe Dragonfly Energy's ability to combine battery technology, system integration, and domestic manufacturing positions us well to serve those evolving needs. With that, I'll turn the call back to Denis.

Speaker #5: We believe Dragonfly Energy's ability to combine battery technology, system integration, and domestic manufacturing positions us well to serve those evolving needs. With that, I'll turn the call back to Denis.

Speaker #6: Thank you, Wade. Turning now to our fourth-quarter preliminary financial results. Net sales in the quarter grew 6.9% to $13.1 million, driven by strength in our OEM channel.

Speaker #6: OEM revenue increased approximately 30% year over year as manufacturers continued integrating our lithium power systems at the factory level and we continue to expand our customer base.

Speaker #6: DTC revenue declined to 4.7 million dollars from 5.7 million dollars, reflecting continued market headwinds and our changing corporate focus. As we have discussed previously, our long-term growth strategy increasingly centers on OEM partnerships where we can deliver integrated solutions at scale.

Denis Phares: Thank you, Wade. Turning now to our Q4 preliminary financial results. Net sales in the quarter grew 6.9% to $13.1 million, driven by strength in our OEM channel. OEM revenue increased approximately 30% year-over-year as manufacturers continued integrating our lithium power systems at the factory level, and we continued to expand our customer base. DTC revenue declined to $4.7 million from $5.7 million, reflecting continued market headwinds and our changing corporate focus. As we have discussed previously, our long-term growth strategy increasingly centers on OEM partnerships where we can deliver integrated solutions at scale. Q4 gross profit was $2.4 million with a gross margin of 18.2%, compared to gross profit of $2.5 million with a gross margin of 20.8%.

Speaker #6: Fourth-quarter gross profit was $2.4 million, with a gross margin of 18.2%. This compares to gross profit of $2.5 million with a gross margin of 20.8%.

Speaker #6: Operating expenses increased 29.9% to 12.6 million dollars, which includes one-time expenses due to the debt restructuring. Net loss was 45 million dollars versus a net loss of 9.8 million dollars, and net loss per share was 14 dollars and 92 cents compared to a net loss of 13 dollars 89 cents per share.

Speaker #6: Adjusted EBITDA was negative $3.8 million compared to negative $2.3 million. For the full year, net sales increased 16% to $58.6 million, driven by 34% growth in OEM revenue.

Denis Phares: Operating expenses increased 29.9% to $12.6 million, which includes one-time expenses due to the debt restructuring. Net loss was $45 million versus a net loss of $9.8 million, and net loss per share was $14.92 compared to a net loss of $13.89 per share. Adjusted EBITDA was negative $3.8 million compared to negative $2.3 million. For the full year, net sales increased 16% to $58.6 million, driven by 34% growth in OEM revenue. Gross margin improved 370 basis points to 26.7% as higher production volumes supported better utilization of our manufacturing operations, and adjusted EBITDA improved to negative $11.4 million from negative $18.5 million.

Speaker #6: Gross margin improved 370 basis points to 26.7%, as higher production volume supported better utilization of our manufacturing operations. Adjusted EBITDA improved to negative $11.4 million from negative $18.5 million.

Speaker #6: Looking ahead to 2026, our priorities remain consistent. We plan to continue expanding OEM partnerships, pursuing opportunities across our commercial markets, and improving operational efficiency across the organization.

Speaker #6: In the near term, first-quarter results will reflect continued pressure from the broader economic environment, which has been particularly evident in our core RV market—especially in January—as well as a slower-than-anticipated ramp in our trucking segment.

Speaker #6: Since then, activity has shown signs of stabilizing. As a result, we expect first-quarter revenue to be approximately $9.5 million and adjusted EBITDA loss to be $4.6 million.

Denis Phares: Looking ahead to 2026, our priorities remain consistent. We plan to continue expanding OEM partnerships, pursuing opportunities across our commercial markets, and improving operational efficiency across the organization. In the near term, Q1 results will reflect continued pressure from the broader economic environment, which has been particularly evident in our core RV market, especially in January, as well as a slower than anticipated ramp in our trucking segment. Since then, activity has shown signs of stabilizing. As a result, we expect Q1 revenue to be approximately $9.5 million and adjusted EBITDA loss to be $4.6 million. As the year progresses, we expect to see improved operating leverage across the business as we continue to work towards achieving positive adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #6: As the year progresses, we expect to see improved operating leverage across the business as we continue to work towards achieving positive adjusted EBITDA. While near-term market conditions remain challenging, we believe the actions we have taken over the past year have meaningfully strengthened our foundation and positioned Dragonfly Energy for improved operating leverage as our commercial channel scales.

Speaker #6: These initiatives also support our path towards positive adjusted EBITDA, and more closely align the company's leadership—and all of our employees—with our shareholders.

Speaker #6: With that, operator, we can now open the line for questions.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star one on your touch-tone phone.

Denis Phares: While near-term market conditions remain challenging, we believe the actions we have taken over the past year have meaningfully strengthened our foundation and positioned Dragonfly Energy for improved operating leverage as our commercial channels scale. These initiatives also support our path towards positive adjusted EBITDA and more closely align the company's leadership and all of our employees with our shareholders. With that, operator, we can now open the line for questions.

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Speaker #1: One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Chip Moore of Roth Capital. Your line is already open.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press star one on your touchtone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press star two. If you're using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment please for your first question. Your first question comes from Chip Moore of Roth Capital. Your line is already open.

Speaker #5: Hey, good evening. Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking the question. Denis, I wanted to ask if you could maybe expand on the RV OEM market. I think you called out a weak January, but some more encouraging signs after that.

Speaker #5: Maybe you can speak to what you're seeing in the market here. Through the start of March.

Speaker #6: Yeah, thanks for your question, Chip. I think I'll let Wade take that one.

Speaker #5: Yeah, no problem. Thanks, Chip. Happy to answer. Yeah, we saw less, and this is reflected in RVIA's numbers that they put out for January.

Chip Moore: Hey, good evening. Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking the question. Denis, I wanted to ask maybe if you could expand on RV OEM market. I think you called out, you know, a weaker January, but some more encouraging signs after that. Maybe you can speak to what you're seeing in market here, you know, through the start of March.

Speaker #5: As well. So we saw demand not as strong as OEMs had thought going into January, which necessitated them to right-size their inventory a little bit and get it more in line with where demand numbers were for January.

Speaker #5: However, in February and the first half of March, we've seen some recovery in that. The other thing that I would add is we're seeing a lot of interest in expanded energy storage capacity for model year change.

Denis Phares: Yeah, thanks for your question, Chip. I think I'll let Wade take that one.

Wade Seaburg: Yeah, no problem. Thanks, Chip. Happy to answer. Yeah, we saw less, and this is reflected in RVIA's numbers that they put out for January as well. We saw demand not as strong as OEMs had thought, going into January, which necessitated them to right-size their inventory a little bit and get it more in line with where demand numbers were for January. However, in February and the first half of March, we've seen some recovery in that. The other thing that I would add is we're seeing a lot of interest in expanded capacity, energy storage capacity for model year change. We anticipate expansion within our existing OEMs. It's. I think they're projecting a flat market, RVIA as a whole with regards to RVIA or with regards to the overall demand.

Speaker #5: So we anticipate expansion within our existing OEMs. So it's—I think they're projecting a flat market. RVIA, on a whole, with regards to RVIA or with regards to the overall demand, however, we're going to see expansion within our energy storage footprint in RV.

Speaker #4: That's helpful. We appreciate it. And maybe for my follow-up, on heavy-duty trucking, that market obviously has been weak for some time, but I think most forecasters are looking for a bit of a pickup and probably some pent-up demand as well in the back half of the year.

Speaker #4: If that's what you're anticipating and what you would expect in terms of a revenue ramp—sort of more back half-weighted—any color there?

Wade Seaburg: However, we're gonna see expansion within our energy storage footprint and RV.

Speaker #4: Thanks.

Speaker #5: Yeah, that sentiment aligns very much with what our conversations are with our largest and mid-sized fleets. We're seeing capital expenditures start to happen again, when they've gone through years of just not buying capital equipment.

Chip Moore: That's helpful, Wade. I appreciate it. You know, maybe for my follow-up, you know, on heavy-duty trucking, that market obviously has been weak for some time. I think most forecasters are looking for a bit of a pickup and probably some pent-up demand as well in the back half of the year, if that's what you're anticipating and what you would expect in terms of a revenue ramp, sort of more back half-weighted. Any color there? Thanks.

Speaker #5: And then the other thing that's happening in that market is the 2027 engines are being released for the new NOx emissions. And those engines are showing higher idle rates, which is making our product even a stronger relevancy to their capital expenditures.

Wade Seaburg: Yeah, sentiment aligns very much with what our conversations are with our largest and mid-sized fleets. We're seeing capital expenditures start to happen again when they've gone through years of just not buying capital equipment. Then the other thing that I mean in that market is the 2027 engines are being released for the new NOx emissions, and those engines are showing higher idle rates, which is making our product even a stronger relevancy to their capital expenditures. I'm anticipating a very exciting second half of the year for the duty truck.

Speaker #5: So I'm anticipating a very exciting second half of the year for duty truck.

Speaker #4: Great. Sorry, one last one. Just, maybe—it sounds like you're de-emphasizing or deprioritizing the DTC business. Should we think about that as sort of declining modestly from here?

Speaker #4: Or how would you think about that side of the business? Thanks.

Speaker #6: Yeah, Chip, we've seen pretty much a steady decline in our DTC revenue for several years now, actually. So it really is just a continuation of that steady decline.

Speaker #6: And because we've seen so much growth with our systems, the fleets, the OEMs, it just makes more sense to really put a lot of our focus, both in terms of marketing spend and product development spend, in those buckets.

Chip Moore: Great. Sorry, one last one. You know, just maybe it sounds like you're de-emphasizing or deprioritizing the DTC business. Just should we think about that as sort of, you know, declining modestly from here? Or how would you think about that side of the business? Thanks.

Speaker #4: Yep, got it. Understood. I'll hop back into you. Thanks very much.

Speaker #6: Thanks, Chip.

Denis Phares: Yeah, Chip, we've seen pretty much a steady decline in our DTC revenue for several years now, actually. It really is just a continuation of that steady decline. Because we've seen so much growth with our systems, the fleets, the OEMs, it just makes more sense to really put a lot of our focus both in terms of marketing spend and product development spend in those buckets.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Lianne Hayden from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is already open.

Speaker #7: Hi, everyone. Thanks so much for taking my questions. To start, I was hoping you could just elaborate a bit on some early customer feedback you've received on your expanded product lines that Battle Born Solar Panels came out with more recently.

Speaker #7: But any color there that you could provide would be helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thanks for the question, Lianne. Yeah, we've been moving in the direction of full systems, both in terms of our industrial customers and our RV OEM customers.

Chip Moore: Yeah. Got it. Understood. I'll hop back in queue. Thanks very much.

Denis Phares: Thanks, Chip.

Operator: Your next question comes from Leanne Hayden from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is already open.

Speaker #6: So it really helps us to expand the per-unit cost, because now we're providing not just the batteries, but the entire system in terms of the accessories.

Leanne Hayden: Hi, everyone. Thanks so much for taking my questions. To start, I was hoping you could just elaborate a bit on some early customer feedback you've received on your expanded product lines. I know the Battle Born solar panels came out, you know, more recently, but any color there that you could provide would be helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #6: That's where that has really paid off. But additionally, we do see some uptick in revenue in most of our segments because of these new products.

Speaker #6: Some people, some customers, buy them individually. But I would say the biggest boon for us is the incorporation in full systems.

Denis Phares: Thanks for the question, Leanne. Yeah, we've been moving in the direction of full systems, both in terms of our industrial customers and our RV OEM customers. It really helps us to expand the per unit cost, because now we're providing not just the batteries, but the entire system in terms of the accessories. That's where that has really paid off. You know, additionally, we do see some uptick in revenue in most of our segments because of these new products. Some customers buy them individually, but I would say the biggest boon for us is the incorporation in full systems.

Speaker #7: Got it. Okay. Yeah, that's very helpful. Thank you. Just as a follow-up, I'm curious if you could speak on your exposure to the recent lithium carbonate price volatility?

Speaker #7: I understand that you have kind of a unique battery chemistry and manufacturing process. So, maybe to what degree might those insulate you from recent cost increases?

Speaker #6: Well, the industry as a whole is susceptible to increases in the raw components, including lithium carbonate. To date, we have not experienced that. But it's not certain that we won't have, potentially, a slight increase moving through the year.

Leanne Hayden: Got it. Okay. Yeah. That's very helpful. Thank you. Just as a follow-up, curious if you could speak on your exposure to the recent lithium carbonate price volatility. I understand that you have kind of a unique battery chemistry and manufacturing process. So maybe to what degree those might insulate you from recent cost increases.

Speaker #6: But it is something that we feel we'll be able to incorporate, as lithium carbonate in general is a relatively small component of the battery pack as a whole.

Speaker #6: Nevertheless, the raw component materials have been volatile, and so it's likely that the entire industry is going to see some fluctuation over the next 12 months.

Denis Phares: Well, you know, the industry as a whole is susceptible to increases in the raw components, including lithium carbonate. To date, we have not experienced that, but it's not certain that we won't have potentially a slight increase moving through the year. It is something that we feel we'll be able to incorporate as lithium carbonate in general is a relatively small component of the battery pack as a whole. Nevertheless, the raw component materials have been volatile. It's likely that the entire industry is gonna see some fluctuation over the next 12 months.

Speaker #7: Yeah, yeah, that totally makes sense. I'll just sneak in one more if I could. I appreciate all the color you provided on the cost-down initiative.

Speaker #7: That's great. Curious if you could help us think about cash burn throughout 2026 a bit more?

Speaker #6: Well, these cuts certainly help with that. So we've been, obviously, very cognizant as to our cash levels for some time now. We managed to address the balance sheet issues late last year when we raised the funds, but moving forward, we really are focused on our P&L.

Speaker #6: We're focused on making sure that our spend continues to reduce, and we do see significant increase moving forward in some of these adjacent markets.

Leanne Hayden: Yeah. Yeah, that totally makes sense. I'll just sneak in one more, if I could.

Denis Phares: Sure.

Leanne Hayden: I appreciate all the color you provided on cost down initiative. That's great. Curious if you could help us think about cash burn throughout 2026 a bit more?

Speaker #6: And as Wade noted, even in our RV OEM markets, we're seeing a greater uptick of our systems. And therefore, we do see some improvement for sure in terms of our cash flow going through the year.

Denis Phares: Well, these cuts certainly help with that. We've been obviously very cognizant as to our cash levels for some time now. We managed to address the balance sheet issues late last year when we raised the funds. Moving forward, we really are focused on our P&L. We're focused on making sure that our spend continues to reduce. We do see significant increase moving forward in some of these adjacent markets. As Wade noted, even in our RV OEM markets, a greater uptake of our systems. Therefore, we do see some improvement for sure in terms of our cash flow going through the year.

Speaker #7: Got it. All right. Thanks, Denis. And thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Speaker #6: Thank you, Lianne.

Speaker #1: There are no further questions at this time. I would hand over the call to Denis Phares for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to sharing additional details with you in the coming quarters. Have a great day.

Leanne Hayden: Got it. All right. Thanks, Denis. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Denis Phares: Thank you, Leanne.

Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I would hand over the call to Denis Phares for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Denis Phares: Thank you everyone for joining us today. We look forward to sharing additional details with you in the coming quarters. Have a great day.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.

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