Q4 2025 Insight Molecular Diagnostics Inc Earnings Call

March 26, 2026

Gabrielle Woody: Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Insight Molecular Diagnostics Q4 2025 results. If you have not seen today's shareholder letter, please visit Insight Molecular Diagnostics investor relations page at investors.imdxinc.com. Today's prepared remarks build upon the information already shared in this robust letter. Joining us today are Insight Molecular Diagnostics President and CEO, Josh Riggs, Chief Science Officer, Ekkehard Schütz, and CFO, Andrea James. We also have our analysts with us as panelists. After our prepared remarks, our analysts may ask questions. Before turning the call over to Josh Riggs, I'd like to go over our safe harbor. The company will make projections and forward-looking statements regarding future events. Any statements that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements. These statements are made pursuant to, and within the meaning of, the safe harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Gabrielle Woody: We encourage you to review the company's SEC filings, including the company's most recent Form 10-K and subsequent Forms 10-Q, which identify risks and uncertainties that may cause future actual results or events to differ materially. Please note that the forward-looking statements made during today's call speak only to the day that they are made, and Insight Molecular Diagnostics undertakes no obligation to update them. With that, I would like to now turn the call over to Josh Riggs.

Josh Riggs: Thanks, Gabby, and thanks everyone for joining us today. You know, we are thrilled to announce that we've submitted GraftAssure to the FDA for review. To recap the significance of this milestone, in January 2023, when we first decided to go the 510(k) route, I mean, we pointed ourselves directly at the FDA and the EU equivalent. Now, about 500,000 data points later, yeah, we are, to our knowledge, the first dd-cfDNA assay to be submitted to the FDA for authorization. As we work with the FDA throughout the review process, our focus as an organization is shifting to product launch and pushing commercialization. Everything we are doing as a company right now is to accelerate adoption ramp post-authorization.

Josh Riggs: To have a successful launch, we wanna see three key things, strong engagement in the registry, more head-to-head data, and some early adopters using the research use only version of our technology. Right now, driving engagement and utilization with our assays is the name of the game. Just like we're doing with the FDA, we need to convince clinicians across the country that GraftAssure is safe and effective for managing their patients. To do that, we have two big tools we can bring to bear, our GALACTIC-HF Registry and head-to-head data. Since we announced the registry in the fall, we've had 28 centers start the process to become a trial site. That's over halfway to our goal of 50 in a very short period of time. As we're talking with the centers, we lead with two things.

Right now, driving engagement and utilization with our essays, is the name of the game. Just like we're doing with the FDA. We need to convince clinicians across the country that graft issuer is safe and effective for managing their patients

Our Galactic registry and head-to-head data.

Since we announced the registry in the fall, we've had 28 sensors start, the process to become a trial site. That's over a halfway to our goal of 50, in a very short period of time.

Josh Riggs: Firstly, that we are introducing the absolute and combination scores to our report, giving them more information to use in patient management. Secondly, that we expect to transition the study to in-house testing when appropriate. This combination of scientific and clinical interest is driving the solid engagement we are seeing. We believe that the first centers to bring GraftAssure in-house are gonna be those that have been using it prior to FDA authorization. The registry program is a perfect way of both advancing the science and also building familiarity, comfort, and credibility with clinicians across the country. That way, when we show up with a regulated product for the lab manager, they are getting enthusiastic support from the clinical team.

As we're talking with the centers, we lead with two things: firstly, that we are introducing the absolute and combination scores to our report, giving them more information to use in patient management.

and secondly, that we expect to transition the study to in-house testing when appropriate

This combination of scientific and clinical interest is driving the solid engagement. We are seeing

We believe that the first centers to bring Graft Assure in-house are going to be those that have been using it prior to FDA authorization.

Josh Riggs: The more centers that are engaged with the registry, the faster our ramp will be. To that end, we've made targeted investments in additional headcount in clinical and technical sales and medical and clinical affairs. The sales team is driving engagement, pulling in top centers, while the medical and clinical affairs team is focused on driving awareness and enrollment once those sites come online. We believe that we are appropriately staffed for this phase, but we'll plan to add some additional team members as we get closer to authorization. Convincing doctors to change what they are doing isn't always the easiest thing, and while the registry does a good job of getting clinicians to engage with our clinical report, it doesn't answer probably the biggest question in their mind: How does this compare to what I've been using? This is where head-to-head data comes in.

The registry program is a perfect way of both advancing the science and also building familiarity, comfort, and credibility with clinicians across the country. That way, when we show up with a regulated product for the lab manager, they are getting enthusiastic support from the clinical team.

The more centers that are engaged with the registry, the faster our ramp will be.

To that end, we've made targeted investments in additional headcount, in clinical and technical sales, and in medical and clinical affairs.

The sales team is driving engagement, pulling in top centers, while the Medical and Clinical Affairs team is focused on driving awareness and enrollment. Once those sites come online,

We believe that we are appropriately staffed for this phase, but we'll plan to add some additional team members as we get closer to authorization.

Convincing doctors to change what they are doing. Isn't always the easiest thing. And while the registry does a good job of getting clinicians to engage with our clinical report, it doesn't answer, probably the biggest question in their mind.

How does this compare to what I've been using?

This is where head-to-head data comes in.

Josh Riggs: At the most recent Cutting Edge of Transplantation meeting, a top transplant center that has been in both our pilot and FDA program got up on stage and presented preliminary data showing that they could get equivalent results to one of the national reference labs using our GraftAssure technology. This was over 140 patient samples, so we're not talking a small study, and it was strong enough data that they announced their intent to use GraftAssure in their core lab. It was amazing how fast the switch in mentality was from, "How does this compare?" to, "Why should I send it out if I can get equivalent results in-house?" We expect more head-to-head data to come out through the year, and more and more centers are going to be asking themselves that same question. We are actively encouraging centers to run these head-to-heads.

At the most recent Cutting Edge of transplant meeting a top transplant center that has been in both, our pilot and FDA program got up on stage and presented preliminary data.

Showing that they could get equivalent results to 1 of the national references Labs using our graph to short technology. This was over 140 patient samples. So we're not talking a small study and it was strong enough data that they announced their intent to use graft ashore in their core lab.

It was amazing how fast the switch and mentality was from, how does this compare?

So, why should I send it out, if I can get equivalent results in-house?

We expect more head-to-head data to come out through the year, and more and more centers are going to be asking themselves that same question.

Josh Riggs: It is a key part of the work being done by our commercial and clinical teams this year. The more direct comparison data that is out there, the faster our ramp will be. About 80% of transplant centers do their own donor recipient matching, known in the industry as HLA testing, which is like GraftAssure, an advanced molecular test. If we can convince them that dd-cfDNA measurement with GraftAssure is safe, effective, and equivalent to or better than what they've been using, there's no reason dd-cfDNA won't look like HLA testing in the future, which means we believe that in-house dd-cfDNA testing can become widespread and common. You can see in our shareholder letter we outline our 2026 goals, and I'll touch upon them briefly here.

We are actively encouraging centers to run these head-to-heads.

It is a key part of the work being done by our commercial and clinical teams this year.

The more direct comparison data that is out there, the faster our ramp will be.

About 80% of transplant Centers, do their own donor. Recipient matching known in the industry as HLA testing which is like graph to Shore and advanced molecular tests.

If we can convince them that DDC fdna measurement with graft assure is safe effective and equivalent to better than what they've been using. There's no reason ddcf. DNA won't look like HLA testing in the future, which means we believe that in-house DDC at DNA. Testing can become widespread and common

Josh Riggs: In addition to our goal of expanding market access activities and engagement with transplant centers, we outlined five other goals for 2026 in our shareholder letter. Those include commencing GraftAssure research use only kits, marketing GraftAssure Core, and driving samples to our Tennessee lab. We want to get our clinical readouts into the hands of as many clinicians as possible, and Galactic is really the driving force here. Just as a reminder, Medicare reimburses GraftAssure Core at a rate of $2,753. Submitting GraftAssure for approval in the UK and EU. The UK is self-certify, so that will move quick, while the EU IVDR is a 6- to 9-month lag post-submission. Reimbursement in these markets is still an open question, but we are seeing signs of progress.

You can see in our shareholder letter, we outline our 2026 goals and I'll touch upon them briefly here.

In addition to our goal of expanding market access activities and engagement with transplant centers, we outlined five other goals for 2026 in our shareholder letter. Those include commencing Graft Assure research use only.

Marketing graft assure core and driving samples to our Tennessee lab. We want to get our clinical readouts into the hands of as many clinicians as possible. And Galactic is really the driving force here. And just, as a reminder, Medicare reimburses graph to share core at a rate of 2753 submitting graph to share for approval and the UK and EU. The UK is self-certified.

So that will move quick while the EU ibdr is a 6 to 9 month. Lag post submission.

Josh Riggs: That being said, I spent last week talking with our European partners, and the demand is clearly there for a kitted product. Finally, pivoting our R&D teams to focus on expanding GraftAssure's utility into heart transplant testing. In a minute, Andrea will take you through what our investments will look like throughout the year to support these activities. Before that, I want to share with you where we see the puck going, and therefore, where we are skating regarding transplant patient management. We believe that over the next three years, the organ transplant rejection testing market is going to shift from one that is primarily dominated by avoiding for-cause biopsies in patients to one that is more heavily focused on screening for organ rejection. In other words, shifting from rule out to rule in. Any approval of an anti-CD38 drug will accelerate this transition.

Reimbursement in these markets is still an open question, but we are seeing signs of progress. That being said, I spent last week, talking with our European partners, and the demand is clearly there for a kidded product. And finally, pivoting, our R&D teams to focus on expanding graphic assures, utility into heart, transplant, testing.

We'll look at what the year will look like throughout to support these activities. But before that, I want to share with you where we see the puck going and, therefore, where we are skating regarding transplant patient management.

We believe that over the next 3 years, the organ transplant rejected. Testing Market is going to shift from 1. That is primarily dominated by avoiding biopsies and for cause patients to 1 that is more heavily focused on screening for organ rejection.

In other words, shifting from rule out to rule in.

Josh Riggs: Clinicians will be trying to catch organ rejection as early as possible so that kidneys experience less damage and stay in patients longer. The conversation is going to shift from one that is NPV only and start to sound like what we are hearing in oncology, where sensitivity, limit of quantification, MRD, and early-stage detection are going to matter for clinical performance. We believe the data show that our assay and Droplet Digital PCR are uniquely suited to meet this emerging clinical demand. We get very excited about these things because we believe that it lights a path toward our assay becoming the de facto standard dd-cfDNA testing provider to the market. Of course, we must bring the kitted version of the assay to market this year, and we are highly focused on that. Andrea?

Any approval of an anti-CD38 drug will accelerate this transition.

Clinicians will be trying to catch organ rejection as early as possible so that kidneys experience less damage and stay in patients longer.

The conversation is going to shift from 1, that is in PB only.

And start to sound like what we are hearing in oncology, where sensitivity, limit of quantification, MRD, and early-stage detection are going to matter for clinical performance.

We believe the data show that our assay and droplet. Digital PCR are uniquely suited to meet this emerging clinical demand.

We get very excited about these things because we believe that it lights up a path toward our assay becoming the de facto standard DDC IFNa testing provider to the market. But of course,

We must bring the kid version of the assay to market this year, and we are highly focused on that.

Andrea.

Andrea James: Thanks, Josh. Hi, everyone. Okay, since you've known us, this company has done one highly focused thing, and that is invest in product development for a kitted kidney transplant assay. This year, we are preparing to do two focused things. First, we intend to commercialize and begin scaling that kidney transplant assay, accordingly, we're making controlled investments in sales and marketing to do that. Second, we intend to maintain our product development momentum by expanding GraftAssure into heart transplant testing. Last month, we completed a $26 million offering that allows us to do these two things at the same time. What's great about expanding into heart is that Dr. Eke Schütz, who's on the call with us today, and his team actually designed GraftAssure to be organ agnostic from the beginning, so we get to leverage our previous investments in the technology.

Thanks, Josh. Hi everyone. Okay. So since you've known

Own highly focused thing. And that is invest in product development for a kitted kidney transplant, assay. And this year, we were preparing to do 2 focused things.

First, we intend to commercialize and begin scaling that kidney transplant assay, and so, accordingly, we're making controlled investments in sales and marketing to do that. And second, we intend to maintain our product development momentum by expanding GraftSure into heart transplant testing. Last month, we completed a $26 million offering that allows us to do these two things at the same time.

Andrea James: What heart transplant investment looks like is sustaining our 2025 research and development investment levels rather than dropping R&D back down to the 2024 level. Of course, our balance sheet remains an area of focus for us. We continue to be quite thoughtful about where we will incrementally invest. You can see that in Q4, research and development ticked up quite a bit, which we had told you it would. This was tied to software development, our clinical trial costs, and materials costs to support our FDA submission. Those expenses should come back down again in Q1 to a number that's between the Q3 and Q4 levels. We know that the capital entrusted to us by shareholders deserves to be treated with the utmost care.

What's great about, uh, expanding into heart is that Dr. Eky Shutes, who's on the call with us today, and his team actually designed GraftAssure to be organ-agnostic from the beginning. So we get to leverage our previous investments in the technology. So what heart transplant investment looks like is sustaining our 2025 research and development investment levels, rather than dropping R&D back down to the 2024 level.

Of course, our balance sheet remains an area of focus for us. We continue to be quite thoughtful about where we will incrementally invest.

You can see that in Q4, research and development ticked up quite a bit, which we had told you it would. This was tied to software development, our clinical trial costs, and materials costs to support our FDA submission. Those expenses should come back down again in Q1 to a number that's between the Q3 and Q4 levels.

Andrea James: In our February registered direct offering, we welcomed participation from Bio-Rad, who invested in our equity for the fourth time at their pro rata ownership of just under 10%. We also welcomed participation from new and existing investors. We look forward to continuing to institutionalize our cap table as we transition into a commercial business in the coming quarters. The way we think about our spending optionality is thus. Our maintenance spending is about $5.5 million per quarter, and our growth spending is about $2 million per quarter. Growth spending includes the cost of clinical trials, our contract research partner, lab materials on new products research and development, and incremental sales and marketing investment.

We know that the capital entrusted to us by shareholders deserves to be treated with the utmost care. In our February registered direct offering, we welcome participation from Bio-Rad, who invested in our equity for the fourth time at their pro rata ownership of just under 10%. We also welcome participation from new and existing investors. We look forward to continuing to institutionalize our cap table as we transition into a commercial business in the coming quarters.

Andrea James: We believe that our maintenance spending is covered at about $35 million a year in revenue, especially if we assume a software-like gross margin that would ramp over time to get to that level on GraftAssure. We believe that we have this level of revenue well within our sales pipeline. When we talk about being engaged with 37 transplant centers in the United States, and we have told you in prior quarters that we expect to average about $1 million in annual revenue per center, you can see why we believe we are starting to see a path to becoming a self-sustaining business. Of course, our near-term sales pipeline is just a starting point. The size of the market opportunity is pretty exciting. We value the total addressable market to be over $2 billion. That's on an annual basis.

The way we think about our spending optionality is thus: our maintenance spending is about $5.5 million per quarter, and our growth spending is about $2 million per quarter. Growth spending includes the cost of clinical trials, our contract research partner, lab materials on new products, research and development, and incremental sales and marketing investment.

We believe that our maintenance spending is covered at about $35 million a year in revenue, and so if we assume in a software-like gross margin, that would, uh, ramp over time to get to that level.

On graph to shore, we believe that we have this level of revenue well within our sales pipeline. So, when we talk about being engaged with 37 transplant centers in the United States, and we have told you in prior quarters that we expect to average about $1 million in annual revenue per center, you can see why we believe we're starting to see a path to becoming a self-sustaining business.

Andrea James: This represents our updated and more favorable pricing for Medicare, as well as the fact that MolDX has come out with coverage for screening or coverage guidance for screening. Previously, testing was only for cause, and now we have better visibility into the reimbursement levels at a baseline level of testing for transplant patients. Okay, that was a lot on the big picture. Let me tick off some quick housekeeping. Number one, we expect low levels of revenue on lab services this year and almost no revenue in Q1. Number two, we introduced non-GAAP EPS and Adjusted EBITDA tables into our financials this year, which we told you last quarter that we would do now.

Of course, our near-term sales pipeline is just the starting point. The size of the market opportunity is pretty exciting. We value the total addressable market to be over $2 billion—that's on an annual basis.

This represents our updated and more favorable pricing for Medicare, as well as the fact that Moldex has come out with coverage for screening, or coverage guidance for screening. Previously, testing was only for cause. And so now we have better visibility into the reimbursement levels at a baseline level of testing for transplant patients. Okay, so that was a lot on the big picture. Let me take off some quick housekeeping.

Number one, we expect low levels of revenue on lab services this year, and almost no revenue in the first quarter.

Andrea James: Number three, the intangible asset write down that you see in Q4, which we back out of Adjusted EBITDA, is tied to writing down the intangible value of the remainder of our oncology assets. We've been talking for several years now about our focus on transplant, and so this should not come as a surprise. We do believe that our oncology assets could be quite valuable after we properly invest in and monetize them, and we continue to sustain a low level of activity on them. Okay, I know we give a lot of information to you. We think your two key takeaways today are very simple. Number one, the external validation of demand is growing. Number two, we are moving quickly to capture that opportunity. Finally, I'll close with this.

Ebata tables into our financials this year, which we told you last quarter that we would do now.

Uh, number three, the intangible asset write-down that you see in Q4, which we back out of adjusted EBITDA, is tied to writing down the intangible value of the remainder of our oncology assets.

Um, we've been talking for several years now about our focus on transplant and so this should not come as a surprise.

We do believe that our oncology assets could be quite value at, uh, quite valuable after we properly invest in and monetize that and we continue to sustain a low level of activity on them.

Okay.

I know we give a lot of information to you.

Um, we think your two key takeaways today are very simple. Number one, the external validation of demand is growing.

And number two, we are moving quickly to capture that opportunity.

Andrea James: Last month I was able to attend that presentation by a major university hospital at the Cutting Edge of Transplantation Conference, and that's the one that Josh just referenced, and we also talk about it in our shareholder letter. This major hospital stood up on stage and presented head-to-head data that is favorable to our assay. This was great because I don't actually get to hear a lot of this in the CFO seat directly from the customer. This talk is basically the hospital and its researchers are saying the exact things that Josh Riggs has been saying quarter after quarter on conference calls for three years. It's just really great to hear. These hospitals clearly want to do their own testing, and they view us as a partner that can enable their success.

And then finally, I'll close with this.

Andrea James: It was also meaningful to hear him talk about organ transplantation giving people a second shot at life. I encourage you to seek it out and watch it. We appreciate these scientists, physicians, and their regard for what we are doing. We also appreciate your investment and your interest in us, and we appreciate our analysts who are covering us and joined us today on the call. We seek to create value for patients, clinicians, and our hospital customers, and we seek to execute to return value to shareholders. Okay, Gabby, we can take questions. Eric, if you could please bring everyone up into gallery view. We're gonna have Gabby call on you guys.

Last month, I was able to attend that presentation by a major university hospital at The Cutting Edge of Transplantation conference. And that's the one that Josh just, uh, referenced—and we also talked about it in our shareholder letter. So this major hospital stood up on stage and presented head-to-head data that is favorable to our assay. Um, and this was great because I don't actually get to hear a lot of this in the CFO seat directly from the customer, and this talk is basically the hospital and its researchers saying the exact things that Josh Riggs has been saying quarter after quarter on conference calls for three years. So it's just really great to hear these hospitals clearly want to do their own testing, and they view us as a partner that can enable their success.

It was also meaningful to hear him talk about organ transplantation—giving people a second shot at life. So, I encourage you to seek it out and watch it. We appreciate these scientists and physicians and their regard for what we are doing. We also appreciate your investment and your interest in us. And we appreciate our analysts who are covering us and joined us today on the call. We seek to create value for patients, clinicians, and our hospital customers. And we seek to execute to return value to shareholders.

Gabby, we can take questions. And Eric, if you could, please bring everyone up into gallery view.

We're going to have Gabby call.

Gabrielle Woody: Right. We have Thomas Flaten from Lake Street.

Thomas Flaten: Hey, good afternoon, guys. Appreciate you taking the questions. Hey, can you help me walk through, Andrea or Josh, so if you have 37 centers in the US that are engaged, that you're engaged with, but 28 of them wanna participate in the registry study, what does participation in the registry study mean from a revenue perspective? Because I'm assuming you'll be sponsoring some of that work, right, for the registry study?

All right, we have Thomas Latin from Lake Street.

Josh Riggs: Yeah. We will. I think what we're targeting is about 100 patients per center. We're not gonna cap it, but, you know, we'd announced that we wanted to get 5,000 patients enrolled, and if you do the easy math on that across 50 centers, it's about 100 patients. You know, we expect to test each of those patients about 10 times over the course of the study. This is kind of in line with what we've seen in terms of total testing per patient in other registries that have been performed in the space. You know, this is for clinical purposes, so you have the billable opportunity. They'll use the percentage as the guiding value there and then get access to our absolute quantification and combo score alongside that.

Hey, good afternoon guys. Appreciate you taking the questions. Um hey can you help me walk through Andrea or Josh? So if you have 37 centers in the US that are engaged that you're engaged with, but 28 of them want to participate in the registry study. What is participation in the registry study mean from a revenue perspective? Because I'm assuming you'll be sponsoring some of that work, right? For the registry study.

Yeah, we'll we will. I think what we're targeting is about 100 patients per Center. We're not going to cap it. But, you know, we, we had announced that we wanted to get 5,000 patients in enrolled. And if you do the, the easy math on that across 50 centers, it's about 100 patients. And you know, we expect to test each of those patients about 10 times. Um, over the course of the study, this is kind of in line with what we've seen.

Andrea James: Just to piggyback on what Josh just said, Thomas, the goal with the registry is that it's self-funding, but not that it itself is a profit center. The goal there is that those registry participants will eventually convert to in-house testing, and that's where the profitability lies.

Um, in terms of total testing for a patient in, in other registries that have been performed in the space—and you know, this is for clinical purposes, so you have the billable opportunity—um, they'll use the percentage as the guiding value there, and then, um, get access to our absolute quantification and combo score alongside that.

Thomas Flaten: Right. Understood. Can you remind us, please, of your agreement with Bio-Rad and when the commercial rights would need to be agreed by or around what time we should expect that to occur? Sorry, that was bad English.

But not that it itself is a profit Center. Um, the goal there is that those registry uh, participants will eventually convert to in-house testing and that's where the profitability lies.

Right.

Josh Riggs: No, no worries. The explicit language in the agreement is a 90-day right of first negotiation post-authorization. That's, you know, basically, as soon as the FDA gives us the stamp of approval, there's a 90-day window where we have to negotiate with Bio-Rad in good faith on the IVD rights. I think that I would expect that those conversations wouldn't wait for that moment. You know, we're already in active conversations with Bio-Rad on many topics, and this is definitely at the top of the list.

And then, can you remind us, please, of your, uh, agreement with Bio-Rad? And when the commercial rights would need to be, uh, agreed by, or around what time we should expect that to occur? Sorry, that was bad English. No, no worries. Um,

So, the explicit language in the agreement is a 90-day right of person negotiation post-authorization.

and so that's you know basically as soon as the FDA gives us the the stamp of approval. Um there's a 90-day window where we have to negotiate with bio read in in good faith. On the uh IBD rights. Um I I think that I would expect that those conversations.

Uh, wouldn't wait, uh, for that moment? Uh, you know that I will be. We're already in active conversations with Bio, read on many topics. Um, and this is definitely, uh, at the top of the list.

Thomas Flaten: Got it. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.

Josh Riggs: Thank you, Tom. Gabby, you're on mute. I think you were calling on Mike Matson.

Got it. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you. Thank you, Tom.

Gabrielle Woody: Mike Matson from Needham. Thanks, Josh.

Gabby, you're on mute. I think you were calling on Mike Matson. Mike Matson from NM.

Mike Matson: Yeah, thanks. I guess first just, you know, now that you're starting to work towards the heart application or indication, can you maybe talk about, you know, what the next steps there are in that process? I guess just from a higher level, I know, I guess heart's always been kind of the plan, but can you maybe talk about why heart versus liver? Because my understanding is there's a lot more liver transplants than heart transplants.

Thanks Josh.

Josh Riggs: Yeah. I'll take the second part of that question first, then I'm gonna hand it over to Ekkehard Schütz to talk about the heart study. The demand in heart is much stronger for a test. You know, where liver is regenerative, it can kind of heal itself and, you know, there's many options for those patients. If you start rejecting a heart, there's a very high risk of death, and so the testing demand there is just higher. I think it's 25% to 30% of total testing that's done in the United States right now is for heart transplant patients. So we feel like that's the best next place for us to go.

And, um, I guess just from a higher level—um, I know, I guess heart's always been kind of the plan, but can you maybe talk about why heart versus liver? Because my understanding is there are a lot more liver transplants than heart transplants.

Yeah, I'll um I'll take the second part of that question first, and I'm going to hand it over to Dr. Seuss to talk about the the heart study. Um the the demand in art is is much stronger for for a test. Um, you know, where liver is regenerative. It can kind of heal itself. And um you know there there's many options for those patients. If you start rejecting a heart, there's a

Josh Riggs: I think there's interesting work to do in liver and kind of prove out some use cases there, but I think that's gonna be some longer term research for us. Ecki, if you wanna talk a little bit about our approach in heart and sort of the 510(k) pathway that you see available to us and what we need to do this year. You're on mute, just before you get started.

Very high risk of death. Um, and so the and the, so the testing demand, there is just higher. I think it's 25 to 30% of total testing that's done in the United States. Um, right now is is for heart transplant, patients. And so we feel like that's the best next place for us to go. Um, I think there's interesting work to do in liver and kind of prove out some use cases there, but I think that's going to be some longer term research for us. Um, but eky, if you want to talk a little bit about our approach in the heart and sort of the the 5 10 K pathway that you see available to us. And what we need to do this year,

And you're on mute, just before you get started.

Ekkehard Schütz: I am on mute now, am I not? I think this entire heart project has two big tiers. The first tier is, we are going to provide data that we are generating in the near future. We are right now in touch with, I think, four or five heart transplant centers in the US, for a smaller study, perhaps around 50 people, patients, so that we can provide for CMS approval. Of course, we wanna get paid for it, right? That's-

I am on now, I am.

Um, so I—I think this entire hard project has two big tiers.

Josh Riggs: Mm-hmm.

Ekkehard Schütz: That's one very important step for us. That's something that more or less was there and the start point was whenever we submit to the FDA, so actually we start on Monday. That's going to happen next. Then in parallel, we are going to submit to the FDA. It's going to be easier because here we have a clear predicate device, so it's not going to be a De Novo, it's a 510(k). That's more or less how we are going to do it. We can use the same samples that we are using for the CMS reimbursement submission for the FDA, as well. That's the entire plan.

The first tier is, uh, we are going to, uh, provide data that we are generating in the near future. We are right now in touch with, I think, four or five heart transplant centers in the U.S., uh, for a smaller study—perhaps 150 people, um, patients—uh, so that we can provide for CMS approval. Of course, you want to get paid for it, right? So that's, uh, that's one very important step for us. So, that's something.

Uh, that, uh, more or less was, uh, uh, there in the start point was whenever we submit to the FDA. So, actually, you start on Monday. Um, so that's going to happen next. And, and then in, in, uh, parallel, uh, we are going to, um, submit to the FDA. It's going to be easier because, uh, here we have a clear predicate device, so it's not going to be a de novo, it's a 510(k). Um, and, uh, that's more or less how we are going to do it. We, we can use the same samples that we are using for the CMS.

Ekkehard Schütz: If we are, that's what we think is going to happen if we can really get all these samples in the next, let's say, four months, we should be able to get everything done during this year.

Uh, reimbursement submission for the FDA um as well. So that's that's the entire plan and if, if we are uh that's what what we think. It's going to happen if we can can really get all these samples in in the next, let's say 4 months. Uh, we should be able to get everything done during this year.

Mike Matson: Okay, great.

Okay, great.

Josh Riggs: Mike, just a quick follow-up on that, just as a note. For the 510(k) pathway is a 90-day review period instead of a 150-day review period, so it goes much faster. All you're really doing is showing that you're equivalent to the device that's there before or that you're substantially equivalent, and that would be the AlloMap assay that's already gone through the gene expression profiling test.

And then, Mike, just a quick follow-up on that. Just as a note for the

Mike Matson: Okay. The shift towards patient management that you described in the press release and mentioned on the call, I guess, how does that benefit Insight specifically? Is it just that your test is, you know, better suited to that type of use, or does it somehow increase the number of tests that, you know, get done per patient, or is it both those things?

510k pathway is a 90-day review period and set of 150 day review periods. So it goes much faster. All you're really doing is showing that your equivalent to the device that that's there before or that you're, you know, substantially equivalent and that would be the alamatt essay that that's already gone through the the gene expression profiling test. Okay.

Josh Riggs: Yeah. I would say, you know, the data that we've generated in our randomized interventional study showing that we can pick up rejection 10 to 11 months ahead of standard of care protocol is important here. 'Cause the drugs that are being studied are the first that have shown effectiveness for antibody-mediated rejection. You know, I think the effect is gonna be largely like what happened when Keytruda was launched into oncology, you know, where you were basically hitting patients with chemo and a prayer. All of a sudden, you had something that was really effective for a solid, you know, chunk of that population. That's what's gonna happen here.

And then uh this the shift in patient shift towards patient management. Um the the described and the press release and mentioned on the call, I guess. How does that benefit insights specifically and um, is it just that your test is, you know, better suited to that type of use or does it somehow increase the the number of tests that you know get done per patient or is it both of those things?

Josh Riggs: I mean, you know, assuming one of these drugs gets approved in the United States, that's, you know, daratumumab or polatuzumab for this indication, all of a sudden you have a drug that stops AMR, and well, hell, you wanna catch it as quickly as you can. Yeah, screening is going to be much more important in the future. Then, you know, when we talk about MRD, you know, you see all the wonderful work that's being done in oncology where you're using kind of really accurate change management or change between time points as a diagnostic tool. I think that's where the absolute quantification that we have really starts to shine, particularly with the Droplet Digital PCR. It's just exquisitely sensitive and quantitative. When you want to measure time point to time point change, that technology really shines there.

Josh Riggs: We're already seeing preliminary data that's coming out of these research studies that shows that you can do that and it is useful for managing patients. I think it's a rising tide. I think it rises demand for all dd-cfDNA technology. You know, I'm personally a homer for the Insight Molecular version of that technology that's out there. But, you know, I think it's good for all of us, and I think it's better for patients long term because we're gonna see kidneys last longer. That means that more patients are gonna come off of the waiting list because instead of retransplanting patients, you're actually gonna put that kidney into a new patient.

Where you're you're using, kind of really accurate change management or change between time points as, as a diagnostic tool. And I think that's where the absolute quantification that we have really starts to shine, particularly with the, the droplet digital PCR. It's just exquisitely, sensitive and quantitative. And so, when you want to measure time point to time Point change, that technology really shines there. And so we're, we're already seeing preliminary data that's coming out of of these research studies, that shows that you can do that and is useful for managing patients. I think it's a rising tide. I, I think it rises demand for for all BDC and PNA technology. Um, I, you know, I'm, I'm personally a homer for the Insight molecular version of that technology, that's out there. Uh, but you know, I think it, I think it's good for all of us. And I think it's better for patients, um, long term because we're going to see kidneys last longer. Um, and so that means that more patients are going to come off of the, the waiting list because instead of retraining,

Mike Matson: I think we'll start to see a growing rate of transplantation in the United States for new patients on the back of this. All things are good. It's a massive tailwind for the industry. Got it. Just a question for Andrea. There was commentary in the press release about the cash burn kind of sequencing. It sounds like it's higher in H1. Is that timing of spending, or is it the revenue levels, or is it both?

Josh Riggs: I think we'll start to see a growing rate of transplantation in the United States for new patients on the back of this. All things are good. It's a massive tailwind for the industry.

Mike Matson: Got it. Just a question for Andrea. There was commentary in the press release about the cash burn kind of sequencing. It sounds like it's higher in H1. Is that timing of spending, or is it the revenue levels, or is it both?

Transplanting patients, you're actually going to put that kidney into a new patient. So, I think we’ll start to see a growing rate of transplantation in the United States for new patients, um, on the back of this. So all things are good. It’s a massive tailwind for the industry.

Andrea James: Both. Yeah. You'll see our spending ticked up in Q4 on a GAAP basis, but the cash didn't match that. We do have some payments sitting in payables that need to go out in H1, so tied to the Q4 spend. That's timing. We are baking in some levels of revenue in H2 that offsets the cash burn. We told you last year we were averaging about $6 million a quarter. We're now up to $7.5 million, but it's over $8 million in H1, and then we're gonna come back down to, hopefully closer to $6 million, in H2.

Mike Matson: Is that, I mean, do we see that kind of reflected in the OpEx in terms of quarterly OpEx, or is the quarterly OpEx gonna be flatter, and it's just more of a, you know, timing issue from a cash flow perspective?

Okay. Got it. And then just a question for Andrea on the there's comments here in the, the press release about the cash burn, kind of sequencing. So it sounds like it's higher in the first half is that is that um, timing of spending or is it the revenue levels or is it both both? Yeah. Um, you'll see, um, our spending picked up in Q4, on a gap basis but the cash didn't match that. So we do have some payments sitting in payables, that need to go out in the first half so tied to the Q4 spend. So that's timing. And then we are baking in some levels of Revenue, uh, in the back half of the year that offsets the cash burn. So averaging, we told you last year, we were averaging about 6 million and a quarter. We're now up to 7 and a half but it's over 8 in the first half and then we're going to come back down to uh hopefully closer to 6 uh in the back half.

Andrea James: It's driven more by gross profit and payments, working capital changes than OpEx. OpEx you should model in as continuing to grow, with the exception of research and development. Research and development for the full year will not be what it was in 2025. It will come down a bit. We had some sustained higher expenses in Q3 and Q4. It will come down a little bit.

And is that, um, I mean, just—we see that kind of reflected in the Opex, in terms of quarterly Opex, or is the quarterly Opex going to be flatter and it's just more of, like, you know, timing issues from a cash flow perspective? Um, it's driven more by gross profit and, um, payments, uh, working capital changes.

Mike Matson: Okay.

Mike Matson: The other ones you should expect will continue to grow, sales and marketing, and G&A. G&A we're trying to keep mostly flat, you know, that's where you can really keep things. You know, everybody has to do more. Sales and marketing is where we're making intentional investments. In research and development, we are continuing to sustain, but it will come down because we won't have all of those. We had just a lot of costs associated with the clinical trial in H2, which we won't have again.

Andrea James: The other ones you should expect will continue to grow, sales and marketing, and G&A. G&A we're trying to keep mostly flat, you know, that's where you can really keep things. You know, everybody has to do more. Sales and marketing is where we're making intentional investments. In research and development, we are continuing to sustain, but it will come down because we won't have all of those. We had just a lot of costs associated with the clinical trial in H2, which we won't have again.

Than Opex Opex you should model in as continuing to grow with the exception of research and development research and development. For the full year will not be what it was in 25 a bit. Uh we had some sustained uh higher expenses in Q3 and Q4 it will come down a little bit. Uh but the other ones you should expect, will continue to grow sales and marketing and GNA GNA. We're trying to keep

Mike Matson: Okay, great. Thank you.

Keep mostly flat. So we, you know, that's where you can really keep things. Uh, you know, everybody has to do more. Um, sales and marketing is where we're making intentional investments, and research and development we are continuing to sustain, but it will come down because we won't have all of those. We had just a lot of costs associated with the clinical trial in the back half of the year, which we won't have again.

Andrea James: Mm-hmm.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Josh Riggs: Thank you. We have next is Ben May from Stephens.

Gabrielle Woody: Thank you. We have next is Ben May from Stephens.

Thank you. Um, we have Nexus Bename from Stevens.

Ben May: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. This is Ben on for Mason Carrico. Could you walk us through what needs to be done from a billing and coding standpoint once you obtain authorization? Will each hospital have to establish their own code if running the test on-site, or could you just walk us through what that looks like?

Ben Mee: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. This is Ben on for Mason Carrico. Could you walk us through what needs to be done from a billing and coding standpoint once you obtain authorization? Will each hospital have to establish their own code if running the test on-site, or could you just walk us through what that looks like?

Hey guys, good afternoon. This has been on for Mason Carrico.

Josh Riggs: Yeah. There are two scenarios here, Ben. Well, there's inside of MolDX and then there's outside of MolDX. MolDX is the, you know, the government contractor that kind of covers 28 states, somewhere in there. 28. Yeah. With that, you know, we are submitting for a Z-code specifically for the regulated version of our test. That's a unique identifier for the test itself. We're doing a bridging study between our lab test, the lab version of the test, and the kitted version of the test. We'll submit that data to MolDX. This is all happening now. We've already submitted for the new Z-code.

Um, could you walk us through what needs to be done, uh, from a billing and coding standpoint? Once you obtain authorization, um, will each hospital have to establish their own code, um, if running the test on site, or could you just walk us through what that looks like?

Yeah, there—there are two scenarios here. Then, um, what in—there's inside of moldy X, and then there's outside of moldy X.

Um, and so Moldy X is the, you know, the government contractor that kind of covers, uh, what is it, 29 states, 28 states, somewhere in there. 788 288. Yeah. And, and so with that, you know, we are submitting for a Z-code specifically for the regulated version of our tests. And so that's, uh, that's a unique identifier, uh, for the test itself. And we're doing a bridging study between our lab tests and the lab version of the test and then the kitted version of the test, and we'll submit that data.

Josh Riggs: The expectation is that we will bridge the reimbursement over to that new code. When somebody inside of MolDX, like, you know, Vanderbilt that's down the street from us here in Nashville, if they were to bring the technology up, they would use that Z-code. They would have sort of immediate access to the reimbursement there. Outside of MolDX, it is going to be a MAC by MAC process, you know, where each MAC will have its own set of rules on getting things covered. I think that's where, you know, partnering with these institutions across the country, and enlisting them to help us support that conversation is kind of a force multiplier for us going forward.

In listing them, to help us support that conversation—it's kind of a force multiplier for us going forward.

Ben May: Okay. Got it. Super helpful there. Thank you for that.

Ben Mee: Okay. Got it. Super helpful there. Thank you for that.

Josh Riggs: Mm-hmm.

Ben May: Among the centers that are engaging with GraftAssure today and now, could you update us on some of the internal validation studies that you're maybe seeing take place across these different centers, whether that be just any general feedback you have to offer from these centers, what they like, don't like?

Okay, got it. Super helpful there. Thank you for that. Um,

Ben Mee: Among the centers that are engaging with GraftAssure today and now, could you update us on some of the internal validation studies that you're maybe seeing take place across these different centers, whether that be just any general feedback you have to offer from these centers, what they like, don't like?

Among the centers that, um, are engaging with Grafighter today and now,

Could you update us on some of the internal validation studies that you're maybe seeing take place across these different centers? Whether that be just any general feedback you have to offer from these centers—what they like, don't like?

Josh Riggs: Yeah. I think the best place to direct you, Ben, is the presentation that was given at SIAD. I think there's a link to that. I'm looking at Andrea to see if that's been posted on the web somewhere. I know there's a recording of it. But I think it gives you a really good look into how a large transplant center views bringing this technology in-house. You know, once they show that they can get equivalent results, then they get to reap all the benefits of having it in-house, which is, you know, the faster turnaround time, you know, the ability to sort of ask their own research questions, you know, build protocols, and then, you know, obviously be able to bill and capture that revenue opportunity that they're missing out on.

Yeah, I think the best place to direct you been is the the presentation that was given at C out. I think there's a there's a link to that looking at Andrea um to see if that's been posted on the on the web somewhere. I know there's a, there's a recording of it. Um, but I think it gives you a really good look into how a large transplant center views bringing this technology and house. And, you know, they once they show that they can get equivalent results, then they get to reap all the benefits of having it in-house, which is, you know, the faster turnaround time, you know, the ability to sort of ask their own research questions, you know, build protocols and then, you know, obviously be able to Bill and capture that that Revenue opportunity. Um, that they're missing out on.

Ben May: Great. Thanks for taking the questions today.

Ben Mee: Great. Thanks for taking the questions today.

Josh Riggs: Sure. Thank you. Any additional questions? All right. That is all, Josh. All right. Well, guys, I appreciate you guys making the call, and, you know, talking with us today. Thank you for the thoughtful questions. You know, obviously we are very excited to be at the next step of our journey, and, you know, pushing through the FDA, getting ready for launch later this year. I think, you know, when we get back together here in the next six weeks or so, when we report out Q1, we hope to have some nice updates for you guys and more progress to share on centers that are engaging with us. You know, we'll keep our fingers crossed. Talk to you guys soon.

Ekkehard Schütz: Sure.

Gabrielle Woody: Thank you. Any additional questions? All right. That is all, Josh.

Great. Thanks for taking the questions today, sure.

Thank you. Um, any additional questions?

Josh Riggs: All right. Well, guys, I appreciate you guys making the call, and, you know, talking with us today. Thank you for the thoughtful questions. You know, obviously we are very excited to be at the next step of our journey, and, you know, pushing through the FDA, getting ready for launch later this year. I think, you know, when we get back together here in the next six weeks or so, when we report out Q1, we hope to have some nice updates for you guys and more progress to share on centers that are engaging with us. You know, we'll keep our fingers crossed. Talk to you guys soon.

All right. Well, guys, I appreciate you guys making the call, and you know, talking with us today. Thank you for the thoughtful questions. You know, obviously we are

Very excited to to be at the next step of our journey. Um, and you know, pushing you know, pushing through the FDA getting ready for launch. Um, later this year. I think, you know, when we when we get back together here in, uh, in the next, you know, 6 weeks or so. Um, when we report out q1, uh, we hope to have some nice updates for you guys and more more progress to share on on centers that are engaging with us. And you know we'll uh we'll keep our fingers crossed. So talk to you guys soon.

Andrea James: Bye, everyone.

Everyone.

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Josh Riggs: All right. We clear?

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