Q1 2026 Gaztransport et Technigaz SA Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good afternoon. This is the conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the GTT First Quarter 2026 Activity Update conference call.
Operator: Good afternoon. This is the conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the GTT Q1 2026 Activity Update Conference Call. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press Star and One on their telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. François Michel, the company's CEO.
Operator: Good afternoon. This is the conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the GTT Q1 2026 Activity Update Conference Call. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press Star and One on their telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. François Michel, the company's CEO. Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker #1: After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on the telephone.
Speaker #1: At this time , I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Francois Michel . The company's CEO . Please go ahead , sir .
Operator: Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker #2: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the GTC Activity Update for the first quarter of 2026. I am sitting here in Paris with Thierry Ochoa, our CFO, and together we will walk you through the usual key business highlights.
François Michel: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to GTT's activity update for Q1 2026. I am sitting here in Paris with Thierry Hochoa, our CFO, and together we will walk you through the usual key business highlights, but also our overview for Q1. The agenda for the presentation today is the usual one. I am sure that you have noticed that we now go with a new setup, hence first introductory point to further explain what lies behind the one GTT brand. I will then provide you with a business update for our key activities, meaning the GTT Energy and GTT Marine divisions. Thierry will elaborate on our revenue for Q1, and I will then share with you closing remarks before we can open the floor to your questions. First, the one GTT brand.
François Michel: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to GTT's activity update for Q1 2026. I am sitting here in Paris with Thierry Hochoa, our CFO, and together we will walk you through the usual key business highlights, but also our overview for Q1. The agenda for the presentation today is the usual one. I am sure that you have noticed that we now go with a new setup, hence first introductory point to further explain what lies behind the one GTT brand. I will then provide you with a business update for our key activities, meaning the GTT Energy and GTT Marine divisions. Thierry will elaborate on our revenue for Q1, and I will then share with you closing remarks before we can open the floor to your questions. First, the one GTT brand.
Speaker #2: But also our revenue for the first quarter The agenda for the . For the presentation today is the usual one . I am sure that you have noticed that we now go with the new setup .
Speaker #2: Hence , a first introductory point . To further explain what lies behind the one GTC brands . I will then provide you with a business update for our key activities , meaning the GTT energy and GTT Marine divisions Thierry will elaborate on our revenue for the first quarter , and I will then share with you a closing remarks before we can open the floor to you for your questions So first , the wanted GTT brands .
Speaker #2: This new organization, which is ours, emphasizes the fact that GTT is now at a turning point following the very successful acquisition of Danylak last year and taking into account our ambition, which we have explained, to further develop the core business.
François Michel: This new organization, which is ours, emphasizes the fact that GTT is now at a turning point, following the very successful acquisition of Danelec last year and taking into account our ambition, which we have explained, to further develop the core business, but also associated services. It was very important for us and for our customers to bring all teams together under a clear vision, but also a clear structure. The creation of two divisions, GTT Energy on the one hand and GTT Marine on the other, thus provides greater clarity on our activities to our customers and to our staff. It fosters the execution of our strategy to, of course, keep the core business running, but also to ensure the success of our service approach to the shipping industry, in particular in the LNG. I have already set very clear operational targets for these two divisions.
François Michel: This new organization, which is ours, emphasizes the fact that GTT is now at a turning point, following the very successful acquisition of Danelec last year and taking into account our ambition, which we have explained, to further develop the core business, but also associated services. It was very important for us and for our customers to bring all teams together under a clear vision, but also a clear structure. The creation of two divisions, GTT Energy on the one hand and GTT Marine on the other, thus provides greater clarity on our activities to our customers and to our staff. It fosters the execution of our strategy to, of course, keep the core business running, but also to ensure the success of our service approach to the shipping industry, in particular in the LNG. I have already set very clear operational targets for these two divisions.
Speaker #2: But also associated services . It was very important for us and for our customers to bring all teams together under a clear vision , but also a clear structure .
Speaker #2: So the creation of two divisions , GTT energy on the one hand and GTT Marine on the other , thus provides greater clarity on our activities to our customers and to our staff .
Speaker #2: It fosters the execution of our strategy to, of course, keep the core business running, but also to ensure the success of our service approach to the shipping industry.
Speaker #2: In particular in the LNG . I have already said very clear operational targets for these two divisions . For GTT energy , it is a three priorities accelerate innovation , strengthen our service , offer and revamp our LNG as a fuel and onshore offers for GTT Marine .
François Michel: For GTT Energy, it is three priorities: accelerate innovation, strengthen our service offer, and revamp our LNG as a fuel and onshore offers. For GTT Marine, the priority is to deliver on the synergies, combining the hardware and software solutions that we have now in this division, and you will see the first results of this strategy. We have also put in place a hub of advanced technologies to put together under the same roof all breakthrough technologies and venture capitals. Let's turn now to our first activity, GTT Energy. Very much in line with our expectations and with the messages that I had delivered at the annual results, and in line with the growing need for new LNG carriers. In Q1, our order intake continued its upward trend. We have announced 29 LNGC orders in Q1.
François Michel: For GTT Energy, it is three priorities: accelerate innovation, strengthen our service offer, and revamp our LNG as a fuel and onshore offers. For GTT Marine, the priority is to deliver on the synergies, combining the hardware and software solutions that we have now in this division, and you will see the first results of this strategy. We have also put in place a hub of advanced technologies to put together under the same roof all breakthrough technologies and venture capitals. Let's turn now to our first activity, GTT Energy. Very much in line with our expectations and with the messages that I had delivered at the annual results, and in line with the growing need for new LNG carriers. In Q1, our order intake continued its upward trend. We have announced 29 LNGC orders in Q1.
Speaker #2: We, the priority is to deliver on the synergies. Combining the hardware and software solutions that we have now in this division, and you will see the first results of this strategy.
Speaker #2: We have also put in place a hub of advanced technologies to put together in the same . Under the same roof , all breakthrough technologies and venture capital Let's turn now to our first activity , GTT energy Very much in line with our expectations and with the messages that I had delivered at the at the annual results and in line with the growing need for new LNG carriers in Q1 , our order intake continued .
Speaker #2: It's an upward trend. We have announced 29 LNG orders in the first quarter. It marks our second best Q1 commercial performance after the 2022 record year.
François Michel: It marks our second-best Q1 commercial performance after the 2022 record year. We are close to that level. We have also received two orders for very large ethane carriers, each of 100,000 cubic meters capacity, and one onshore storage tank. This momentum, which I had announced, has continued despite the situation in the Middle East. We have registered eight LNGC orders just in March, and the momentum, I can tell you, continues to date in April. We are, of course, closely monitoring the current situation in the Middle East. To date, and I will come back to this point, this conflict has no direct impact on GTT's business activity, meaning on orders and on deliveries. If you look at deliveries year-to-date, in Q1, 8 LNGC have been delivered versus 23 last year, so a level which is totally equivalent.
François Michel: It marks our second-best Q1 commercial performance after the 2022 record year. We are close to that level. We have also received two orders for very large ethane carriers, each of 100,000 cubic meters capacity, and one onshore storage tank. This momentum, which I had announced, has continued despite the situation in the Middle East. We have registered eight LNGC orders just in March, and the momentum, I can tell you, continues to date in April. We are, of course, closely monitoring the current situation in the Middle East. To date, and I will come back to this point, this conflict has no direct impact on GTT's business activity, meaning on orders and on deliveries. If you look at deliveries year-to-date, in Q1, 8 LNGC have been delivered versus 23 last year, so a level which is totally equivalent.
Speaker #2: We are close to that level. We have also received two orders for very large carriers, each of 100,000 m³ capacity, and one onshore storage tank.
Speaker #2: This momentum , which I had announced as continued despite the situation in the Middle East , we have readjusted late LNG orders just in March and the momentum , I can tell you , continues to date in April .
Speaker #2: We are , of course , closely monitoring the current situation in the Middle East to date , and I will come back to this point .
Speaker #2: This conflict has no direct impact on GTT's business activity—meaning on orders and on deliveries. And if you look at deliveries year to date in Q1 2022, 28 LNGs have been delivered versus 23 last year.
François Michel: Now let's turn to the impact of the current situation in the Middle East on LNG global production capacity. As we all know, the closing of the Strait of Hormuz has heavily disrupted the energy and the shipping markets because about 20% of production volumes are not available today. If I now look at the production capacity, today, only about 3% of the production capacity in LNG has been damaged with the drone attacks on Ras Laffan. As you know, two liquefaction trains have been hit. We know that this infrastructure will restart. It will take perhaps a couple of years. Some people say between three and five years. It could be faster than that, but who knows? I would like to underline, however, a couple of things.
François Michel: Now let's turn to the impact of the current situation in the Middle East on LNG global production capacity. As we all know, the closing of the Strait of Hormuz has heavily disrupted the energy and the shipping markets because about 20% of production volumes are not available today. If I now look at the production capacity, today, only about 3% of the production capacity in LNG has been damaged with the drone attacks on Ras Laffan. As you know, two liquefaction trains have been hit. We know that this infrastructure will restart. It will take perhaps a couple of years. Some people say between three and five years. It could be faster than that, but who knows? I would like to underline, however, a couple of things.
Speaker #2: So level, which is totally equivalent. Now, let's turn to the impact of the current situation in the Middle East on LNG global production capacity.
Speaker #2: As we all know, the closing of the Strait of Hormuz has heavily disrupted the energy and shipping markets because about 20% of production volumes are not known or not available today.
Speaker #2: But if I now look at the production today , only about 3% of the production capacity in LNG has been damaged . With the drone attacks on Ras Laffan , as you know , two liquefaction trains have been hit .
Speaker #2: We know that this infrastructure will restart . It will take perhaps a couple of years . Some people say between 3 and 5 years .
Speaker #2: It could be faster than that , but who knows ? I would like to underline , however , a couple of things that , first of all , the situation does not slow down or undermine the need for new vessels to export future volumes associated to Rfid's .
François Michel: That, first of all, the situation does not slow down or undermine the need for new vessels to export future volumes associated to FID. If I look at the additional capacity, which is expected to come online by 2030, it represents 180 million tons per annum of additional capacity, which is 40% more than the production level today, most of this coming from the US. Of course, all of this will require new vessels. Now, if I look at the FID that can come on top of this already high level of FID that have been taken, you have the list on the screen.
François Michel: That, first of all, the situation does not slow down or undermine the need for new vessels to export future volumes associated to FID. If I look at the additional capacity, which is expected to come online by 2030, it represents 180 million tons per annum of additional capacity, which is 40% more than the production level today, most of this coming from the US. Of course, all of this will require new vessels. Now, if I look at the FID that can come on top of this already high level of FID that have been taken, you have the list on the screen.
Speaker #2: And if I look at the additional capacity, which is expected to come online by 2030, it represents 100,180 million tons per annum of additional capacity, which is 40% more than the production level today.
Speaker #2: Most of this coming from the USA . And of course , all of this will require new vessels . Now , if I look at the FIDs that can come on top of those , this already high level of FIDs that have been taken You have the list on the screen .
François Michel: The list of FID that are likely to be taken this year or in 2027 confirms the greater exposure of the overall LNG production to the US and to other regions than the Middle East. As a reminder, this year, 23 million tons per annum of FID have been taken, including in Qatar and in the US, and we start the year after a record level in 2025. Now, if we look at the shipping routes and the shipping intensity, what you see is that the war confirms that energy security risks will remain persistent. Indeed, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz calls for greater flexibility to ensure energy security, and all this at the most reasonable price possible.
François Michel: The list of FID that are likely to be taken this year or in 2027 confirms the greater exposure of the overall LNG production to the US and to other regions than the Middle East. As a reminder, this year, 23 million tons per annum of FID have been taken, including in Qatar and in the US, and we start the year after a record level in 2025. Now, if we look at the shipping routes and the shipping intensity, what you see is that the war confirms that energy security risks will remain persistent. Indeed, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz calls for greater flexibility to ensure energy security, and all this at the most reasonable price possible.
Speaker #2: It the list of FIDs that are likely to reach to , to , to , to be taken this year or in 27 confirms the greater exposure of the overall LNG production to the USA and to other regions than the Middle East .
Speaker #2: And as a reminder , this year , 23 million tonnes per annum of FIDs have been taken , including in Qatar and in the USA and .
Speaker #2: And we start the year after a record level in 2025. Now, if we look at the shipping routes and the shipping intensity, what you see is that the war confirms that energy security risks will remain persistent.
Speaker #2: Indeed, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz calls for greater flexibility to ensure energy security—and all this at the most reasonable price possible.
François Michel: We know that some countries with significant exposure to Qatar, such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, I could mention Taiwan, Singapore, Korea, China, but also in Europe, Italy, will need to diversify their source of LNG. Looking ahead, what we anticipate is that we anticipate that heightened scrutiny on the LNG supply diversification, which could possibly result into higher shipping intensity over the long run. We also anticipate the need to create more buffers in the LNG capacity in storage in particular. Now, let's move on to our second activity, GTT Marine. The GTT Marine division won new contracts, very good contracts, both in the performance solution and in the safety units. As for safety, GTT Marine has secured a new accreditation from two new oil majors, which is a prerequisite to expand its addressable offshore fleet. Very good news.
François Michel: We know that some countries with significant exposure to Qatar, such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, I could mention Taiwan, Singapore, Korea, China, but also in Europe, Italy, will need to diversify their source of LNG. Looking ahead, what we anticipate is that we anticipate that heightened scrutiny on the LNG supply diversification, which could possibly result into higher shipping intensity over the long run. We also anticipate the need to create more buffers in the LNG capacity in storage in particular. Now, let's move on to our second activity, GTT Marine. The GTT Marine division won new contracts, very good contracts, both in the performance solution and in the safety units. As for safety, GTT Marine has secured a new accreditation from two new oil majors, which is a prerequisite to expand its addressable offshore fleet. Very good news.
Speaker #2: And we know that some countries with significant exposure to Qatar , such as India , Pakistan , Bangladesh , I could mention Taiwan , Singapore , Korea , China , but also in Europe , Italy will need to diversify their source of LNG .
Speaker #2: So looking ahead , what we anticipate is that we anticipate that heightened security scrutiny on the LNG supply diversification , which could possibly result into a higher shipping intensity over the long run .
Speaker #2: But we also anticipate the need to create more buffers in the LNG capacity, in storage, in particular. Now, let's move on to our second activity sheet.
Speaker #2: Marine , the GT Marine Division . Won new contracts . Very good contracts , both in the performance solution and in the safety units in in for .
Speaker #2: As for safety, GT Marine has secured new accreditations from two new oil majors, which is a prerequisite to expand its addressable offshore fleet.
François Michel: Second, we start to leverage our broad customer base to sell more of the systems in performance, so for performance solutions, meaning adding performance and voyage optimization to initial data collection. Consistent with this strategy, we have, in particular, signed a new contract, a very good contract with Petrobras, a new customer to equip up to 120 vessels with combined hardware and software solutions. Third point for this new division, the integration of Danelec in the GTT group is progressing as planned, and we are well on track to deliver the synergies that we have announced. Let me now hand over to Thierry Hochoa, our CFO.
François Michel: Second, we start to leverage our broad customer base to sell more of the systems in performance, so for performance solutions, meaning adding performance and voyage optimization to initial data collection. Consistent with this strategy, we have, in particular, signed a new contract, a very good contract with Petrobras, a new customer to equip up to 120 vessels with combined hardware and software solutions. Third point for this new division, the integration of Danelec in the GTT group is progressing as planned, and we are well on track to deliver the synergies that we have announced. Let me now hand over to Thierry Hochoa, our CFO.
Speaker #2: Very good news . And second , we start to leverage our broad customer base to sell more of the systems in performance . So for performance solutions , meaning adding performance and voyage optimization to initial data collection and consistent with the strategy , have in particular , signed a new contract , a very good contract with Petrobras , a new customer to equip up to 120 .
Speaker #2: Vessels with a combined hardware and software solution. Third point for this new division, the integration of Danieltech in the GTX Group is progressing as planned, and we are well on track to deliver the synergies that we have announced.
Speaker #2: Let me know . Hand over to Thierry Ochoa , our CFO . Thank you . Francois . Good afternoon everyone . Now moving on to the financial part of the presentation , let's start with the order book .
Thierry Hochoa: Thank you, François. Good afternoon, everyone. Now, moving on to the financial part of the presentation. Let's start with the order book, continuing the commercial dynamic seen in Q4 2025. GTT recorded a total of 32 orders in Q1 2026. They include 29 orders for new LNG carriers and 2 VLEC, very large ethane carriers, and 1 onshore storage. Their delivery is scheduled between Q2 2028 and Q4 2029. This is our second-best first quarter commercial performance. Over the period, 22 LNG carriers were delivered, a similar level with Q1 2025, 23 LNG carriers delivered last year for the first quarter. Finally, our backlog at the end of Q1 2026 remains very solid with 297 units for the core business and 46 units for LNG as fuel.
Thierry Hochoa: Thank you, François. Good afternoon, everyone. Now, moving on to the financial part of the presentation. Let's start with the order book, continuing the commercial dynamic seen in Q4 2025. GTT recorded a total of 32 orders in Q1 2026. They include 29 orders for new LNG carriers and 2 VLEC, very large ethane carriers, and 1 onshore storage. Their delivery is scheduled between Q2 2028 and Q4 2029. This is our second-best first quarter commercial performance. Over the period, 22 LNG carriers were delivered, a similar level with Q1 2025, 23 LNG carriers delivered last year for the first quarter. Finally, our backlog at the end of Q1 2026 remains very solid with 297 units for the core business and 46 units for LNG as fuel.
Speaker #2: Continuing the commercial dynamic seen in the fourth quarter of 2025 , GTT recorded a total of 32 orders in the first quarter of 2026 .
Speaker #2: They include 29 orders for new LNG carriers and two VLS, a very large Asian carrier, and one onshore storage. Their delivery is scheduled between the second quarter of 2028 and the fourth quarter of 2029.
Speaker #2: This is our second best first quarter commercial performance . Over the period . 22 LNG carriers were delivered a similar level with the first quarter of 2025 around not around , but 23 LNG carriers delivered last year for the first quarter .
Speaker #2: Finally, our backlog at the end of Q1 2026 remains very solid, with 297 units for the core business and 46 units for LNG as fuel. Let's look.
Thierry Hochoa: Let's look into more details at the revenue by activity at the end of Q1 2026. Total revenues at EUR 193 million are up 1% compared to Q1 2025, and driven by new builds standing at EUR 173 million, meaning -4% compared to last year, and mainly impacted by a lower order intake in 2025. Revenues from services increased by 28% at EUR 5.4 million, thanks to a higher level of assistance to vessels in operations and pre-engineering studies. Regarding GTT Marine, revenues increased by 208% thanks to the contribution of Danelec, acquired last July. I now hand the floor back to François for the outlook and the key takeaways.
Thierry Hochoa: Let's look into more details at the revenue by activity at the end of Q1 2026. Total revenues at EUR 193 million are up 1% compared to Q1 2025, and driven by new builds standing at EUR 173 million, meaning -4% compared to last year, and mainly impacted by a lower order intake in 2025. Revenues from services increased by 28% at EUR 5.4 million, thanks to a higher level of assistance to vessels in operations and pre-engineering studies. Regarding GTT Marine, revenues increased by 208% thanks to the contribution of Danelec, acquired last July. I now hand the floor back to François for the outlook and the key takeaways.
Speaker #2: Let's look into more details as to what new by activity at the end of Q1 2026 . Total revenues at €193 million are up 1% compared to Q1 2025 , and driven by new builds standing at €173 million , meaning -4% compared to last year and mainly impacting from lower order intake in 2025 , driven by revenues from services increased by 8% at 5.4 million , thanks to a higher level of assistance to vessels in operations and pre-engineering studies regarding GTT and Marine , with news increased by 208% thanks to the contribution of Danieltech acquired last July .
François Michel: Thank you, Thierry. In the absence of any significant order delays or cancellations, we can confirm today our 2026 objectives. Our estimated 2026 consolidated revenue ranging between EUR 740 million and 780 million. Our estimated EBITDA ranging between EUR 490 million and 530 million. Of course, we can confirm that the dividend policy will remain unchanged. A couple of takeaways after this Q1, and before we move on to your questions. The Q1 is very well in line with our expectations, and I think what we had announced at the annual results. We have seen a sustained inflow of orders recorded at the end of 2025, continued despite the geopolitical situation, and in fact even accelerated. We saw revenue for the Q1 slightly up versus last year, which is somewhat good news, but well on track.
François Michel: Thank you, Thierry. In the absence of any significant order delays or cancellations, we can confirm today our 2026 objectives. Our estimated 2026 consolidated revenue ranging between EUR 740 million and 780 million. Our estimated EBITDA ranging between EUR 490 million and 530 million. Of course, we can confirm that the dividend policy will remain unchanged. A couple of takeaways after this Q1, and before we move on to your questions. The Q1 is very well in line with our expectations, and I think what we had announced at the annual results. We have seen a sustained inflow of orders recorded at the end of 2025, continued despite the geopolitical situation, and in fact even accelerated. We saw revenue for the Q1 slightly up versus last year, which is somewhat good news, but well on track.
Speaker #2: I now the floor back to Francois for the outlook and the key takeaway . Thank you Terry . So in the absence of any significant order delays or cancellations , we can confirm today our 2026 objectives , our estimated 2026 consolidated revenue ranging between 740 million and €780 million .
Speaker #2: Our estimated EBITDA, ranging between €490 and €530 million, and of course, we can confirm that the dividend policy will remain unchanged.
Speaker #2: So a couple of takeaways after this . First quarter . And before we move on to your questions , the first quarter is very well in line with our our expectations .
Speaker #2: And I think what we had announced at the annual results, that we have seen a sustained level of orders recorded at the end of 2025, continued despite the geopolitical situation.
Speaker #2: And in fact , even accelerated . We saw a for the first quarter , slightly up versus last year , which is somewhat a good news , but well on track .
François Michel: We also saw a growing contribution of GTT Marine with commercial wins consistent with our combined offering, combining hardware and software solutions. Again, as of today, and we are cautious, but as of today, the conflict in the Middle East has no direct impact on GTT's business activity. Thank you for your attention, and we are very happy to take your questions.
François Michel: We also saw a growing contribution of GTT Marine with commercial wins consistent with our combined offering, combining hardware and software solutions. Again, as of today, and we are cautious, but as of today, the conflict in the Middle East has no direct impact on GTT's business activity. Thank you for your attention, and we are very happy to take your questions.
Speaker #2: And we also saw a growing , growing contribution of GTT Marine with commercial wins consistent with our combined offering , combining hardware and software solutions as again , as of today and we are cautious , but as of today , the conflict in the Middle East has no direct impact on GT is activity .
Speaker #2: Thank you for your attention, and we are very happy to take your questions.
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Matthew Smith: Hi there. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. A couple please, I think last time we spoke you talked to around 150 orders to come through over the next few years, perhaps next couple of years, as a result of FID already taken on LNG projects. I guess my question really was, has your assessment on the pace of those orders coming through, I think you referenced largely in a two-year time period. Has that assessment changed at all? Does the excess of Qatari vessels make any difference to your assessment there? That'll be the first one, please. The second one would be turning to digital or now marine. You point out that this is now 7% of group revenue, so quite significant.
Matt Smith: Hi there. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. A couple please, I think last time we spoke you talked to around 150 orders to come through over the next few years, perhaps next couple of years, as a result of FID already taken on LNG projects. I guess my question really was, has your assessment on the pace of those orders coming through, I think you referenced largely in a two-year time period. Has that assessment changed at all? Does the excess of Qatari vessels make any difference to your assessment there? That'll be the first one, please. The second one would be turning to digital or now marine. You point out that this is now 7% of group revenue, so quite significant.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead .
Speaker #3: Hi there . Good afternoon . Thanks for taking my questions . I had a couple . Please . I think last time we spoke you talked to around 150 orders to come through over the next few years , perhaps next couple of years , as a result of rfid's already taken on LNG projects .
Speaker #3: I guess my question really was , have your assessment on the pace of those orders coming through ? I think you referenced largely in a two year time period , has that assessment changed at all ?
Speaker #3: You know , does the excess of Qatari vessels make any difference to your assessment ? There ? That would be the first one .
Speaker #3: Please . And then the second one would be turning to digital or now Marine . You know , you point out that this is now 7% of group revenue .
Matthew Smith: I just wondered if you could add some color, latter thinking, how material could this be by 2030, perhaps in terms of group contribution, or what's the sort of growth rate that we could see with the benefit of the acquisitions, the synergies, any additional color there would be useful, please. Thank you.
Matt Smith: I just wondered if you could add some color, latter thinking, how material could this be by 2030, perhaps in terms of group contribution, or what's the sort of growth rate that we could see with the benefit of the acquisitions, the synergies, any additional color there would be useful, please. Thank you.
Speaker #3: So quite significant . You know , I just wondered if you could add some some color later thinking , you know , how material could this be by 2030 ?
Speaker #3: Perhaps in terms of group contribution or what's the sort of growth rate that we could see with the benefit of the acquisitions ? The synergies , you know , any additional color there would be useful ?
François Michel: Thank you. Regarding the pace of the order intake, we have no information whatsoever today regarding a slowdown of the pace of those orders following the FID of last year. What I can say is that the majority of the ships related to the FID of last year still need to be ordered. After the end of Q1, and of course it's a little bit difficult for us to earmark exactly for which FID the ships are ordered. Sometimes we don't know. From the 29 ships that have been ordered in Q1, we know that 10 ships are non-chartered, 19 ships are chartered, and from those chartered ships, only 5 are related to the FID from last year.
François Michel: Thank you. Regarding the pace of the order intake, we have no information whatsoever today regarding a slowdown of the pace of those orders following the FID of last year. What I can say is that the majority of the ships related to the FID of last year still need to be ordered. After the end of Q1, and of course it's a little bit difficult for us to earmark exactly for which FID the ships are ordered. Sometimes we don't know. From the 29 ships that have been ordered in Q1, we know that 10 ships are non-chartered, 19 ships are chartered, and from those chartered ships, only 5 are related to the FID from last year.
Speaker #3: Please . Thank you
Speaker #2: Thank you . So regarding the pace of the of the order intake , we have no information whatsoever today regarding a slowdown of the pace of of those orders following the rfid's of , of last year and the majority .
Speaker #2: What I can say is that the majority of the, all of the ships are related to the RFIDs of last year, and still need to be ordered.
Speaker #2: So, after the end of Q1, and of course, it's a little bit difficult for us to earmark exactly where the, you know, for which FID the ships are ordered.
Speaker #2: We see some sometimes we , we , we don't know , but from the 29 ships that have been ordered in the first Q1 , we know that ten ships are non-chartered 19 ships are chartered .
Speaker #2: And from those chartered ships , only five are related to the Rfid's from from last year . So the majority of the volume that we have discussed about still need to be still needs to be ordered in the coming 2 or 3 years .
François Michel: The majority of the volume that we have discussed about still needs to be ordered in the coming two or three years, I mean, with the usual uncertainty. Second, regarding digital, we are exactly on track with our budget after Q1. We will report on this marine division because it includes, in fact, the marine hardware and digital solutions at the end of H1 of this year, and we are also on track to deliver the synergies of EUR 25 to 30 million expected at the end of 2030. Today our vision is that this division, of course without M&A, but could represent 10% to 15% of the group revenue, perhaps a little bit more, but that's the vision today.
François Michel: The majority of the volume that we have discussed about still needs to be ordered in the coming two or three years, I mean, with the usual uncertainty. Second, regarding digital, we are exactly on track with our budget after Q1. We will report on this marine division because it includes, in fact, the marine hardware and digital solutions at the end of H1 of this year, and we are also on track to deliver the synergies of EUR 25 to 30 million expected at the end of 2030. Today our vision is that this division, of course without M&A, but could represent 10% to 15% of the group revenue, perhaps a little bit more, but that's the vision today.
Speaker #2: I mean , with with the usual uncertainty . Second , regarding regarding digital , we are exactly on track with our with our budget after the first , the first quarter , we will report on this Marine Division because it includes .
Speaker #2: In fact , marine hardware and digital solutions . At the end of the first half of this year and we are also on track to deliver to deliver the synergies of 25 million to 30 million expected at the end of 2030 .
Speaker #2: So today , our vision is that this this division , of course , without M&A . But could represent 10 to 15% of the group revenue , perhaps a little bit more .
Matthew Smith: Perfect. Thank you very much. Have a
Matt Smith: Perfect. Thank you very much. Have a
François Michel: Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
Speaker #2: But that's the—that's the vision today.
Speaker #3: Perfect. Thank you very much. Happy to pass.
Operator: The next question is from Guilherme Levy of Morgan Stanley.
Operator: The next question is from Guilherme Levy of Morgan Stanley.
Speaker #2: Thank you .
Speaker #1: The next question is from Guillermo Levi of Morgan Stanley.
Guilherme Levy: Hello. Hi, Thierry. Hi, François. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one, just thinking about secondary implications for your business from the current conflict. If we think about an environment in which the oil prices stay higher for longer, how would you think that could increase demand from ship owners for performance improvement solutions on your marine business? And then secondly, maybe a question related to that, but on LNG as fuel, what could be the potential in the first years if oil prices stay at spot over a prolonged period of time? Thank you.
Guilherme Levy: Hello. Hi, Thierry. Hi, François. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one, just thinking about secondary implications for your business from the current conflict. If we think about an environment in which the oil prices stay higher for longer, how would you think that could increase demand from ship owners for performance improvement solutions on your marine business? And then secondly, maybe a question related to that, but on LNG as fuel, what could be the potential in the first years if oil prices stay at spot over a prolonged period of time? Thank you.
Speaker #4: Hello . Hi . Hi , Francois . Thank you for taking my questions . The first one , just thinking about secondary implications for your business from the current conflict If you think about an environment in which the oil prices stay higher for longer , how would you think that could increase demand from shipowners for performance improvement solutions on your marine business ?
Speaker #4: And then secondly , maybe a question related to that . But on LNG , as few , what could be the potential in the first years if oil prices stay , say , export or over a prolonged period of time ?
François Michel: Thank you for the questions, which are hard questions. In our view, over the long run, it is clear that there will be longer LNG routes, and also longer periods of storage and buffer storage that will increase the need for low boil-off rate and additional performance solutions, as you point out. At least this is what we assess at the board level. I am not yet able to put specific figures based on that, but this is the trend that we see, and I hope that I can give more specific indication after H1 of this year. Regarding LNG as a fuel, today we believe that the move towards LNG as a fuel is primarily due to environmental concerns, and that this trend will continue.
François Michel: Thank you for the questions, which are hard questions. In our view, over the long run, it is clear that there will be longer LNG routes, and also longer periods of storage and buffer storage that will increase the need for low boil-off rate and additional performance solutions, as you point out. At least this is what we assess at the board level. I am not yet able to put specific figures based on that, but this is the trend that we see, and I hope that I can give more specific indication after H1 of this year. Regarding LNG as a fuel, today we believe that the move towards LNG as a fuel is primarily due to environmental concerns, and that this trend will continue.
Speaker #4: Thank you
Speaker #2: Thank you for the for the questions which are hard questions in our view , over the long run , it is clear that there will be longer LNG routes and also longer periods of storage and buffer storage that will increase the need for a low boil off rates and additional performance solutions .
Speaker #2: As you point out , I am not . At least this is what we we assess at the board level . I am not yet able to put specific figures based on that , but but this is the trend that we see , and I hope that I can give more specific indication after the first half of this year regarding LNG as a as a fuel today , we believe that the the the move towards LNG as a fuel is primarily due to environment concerns and that this trend will will continue .
François Michel: I have asked the teams to totally revamp our offer of systems, including to be able to have prefabricated systems delivered on the shipyards, but also turnkey solutions, including fully installed solutions. The question for us is probably less a question of market evolution than a question of penetration of our solution, where, I believe we can get a lot of business. It can be very significant, but it will take me a couple of quarters to revamp the offer and to present a fully revamped offer, new technology, and new commercial systems, before the end of the year. That's for sure.
François Michel: I have asked the teams to totally revamp our offer of systems, including to be able to have prefabricated systems delivered on the shipyards, but also turnkey solutions, including fully installed solutions. The question for us is probably less a question of market evolution than a question of penetration of our solution, where, I believe we can get a lot of business. It can be very significant, but it will take me a couple of quarters to revamp the offer and to present a fully revamped offer, new technology, and new commercial systems, before the end of the year. That's for sure.
Speaker #2: I have asked the teams to totally revamp our offer of systems , including to be able to have a prefabricated systems delivered on the shipyards , but also turnkey solutions , including fully installed solutions .
Speaker #2: And so the question for us is probably less a question of market evolution than a question of penetration of our solution . Where I believe we can get a lot of a lot of business .
Speaker #2: So it can be very significant , but it will take me a couple of quarters to revamp the offer and to present it , to present a fully revamped offer , a new technology and new commercial systems before the end of the year , that's for sure .
Operator: Perfect. Thank you.
Guilherme Levy: Perfect. Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
Operator: The next question is from Richard Dawson of Berenberg. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Richard Dawson of Berenberg. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Okay . Thank you .
Speaker #2: Thank you .
Speaker #1: The next question is from Richard Dawson of Berenberg . Please go ahead .
Richard Dawson: Good evening, and thank you for taking my questions. Two from me. Good to see no direct impact on GTT from the Middle Eastern conflict yet, but is there a risk that this could change if the duration of the conflict extends further? Can we maybe see some of the Middle Eastern clients asking for construction or deliveries on those vessels to pause as those LNG project startups are delayed? Particularly the Qatari volumes from NFS and NFE. Is that potentially at a risk? And then secondly, just going back to the structuring of the business. What does this really mean from an operational point of view? Will there be separate management teams running GTT Energy and GTT Marine, for example? And can we maybe get more disclosure on profitability between the two segments? Thank you.
Richard Dawson: Good evening, and thank you for taking my questions. Two from me. Good to see no direct impact on GTT from the Middle Eastern conflict yet, but is there a risk that this could change if the duration of the conflict extends further? Can we maybe see some of the Middle Eastern clients asking for construction or deliveries on those vessels to pause as those LNG project startups are delayed? Particularly the Qatari volumes from NFS and NFE. Is that potentially at a risk? And then secondly, just going back to the structuring of the business. What does this really mean from an operational point of view? Will there be separate management teams running GTT Energy and GTT Marine, for example? And can we maybe get more disclosure on profitability between the two segments? Thank you.
Speaker #5: Good evening , and thank you for taking my questions . Two from me . So good to see . No direct impact from on GDP from the Middle East and conflict yet .
Speaker #5: But is there a risk that this could change if the duration of the conflict conflict extends further ? So could we maybe see some of the Middle Eastern clients asking for construction or deliveries on those vessels to pause as those LNG projects start ups are delayed ?
Speaker #5: So, particularly, the Qatari volumes from NFS and MFA, are those potentially at risk? And then secondly, just going back to the structuring of the business.
Speaker #5: So what does that really mean from an operational point of view? Will there be separate management teams running GTT Energy and Marine, for example, and can we maybe get more disclosure on profitability between the two segments?
Speaker #5: Thank you
François Michel: Thank you for your questions. Regarding the direct impact, what I mean is that, today, for instance, you have very indirect impact on our ability to conduct business, such as logistical constraints to travel to the region, for instance, to engage with customers. Of course, if the situation were to last for a very prolonged time, at some point, we could expect some logistical delays or just issues in interacting with customers or supporting the customers in the region. It's very important to see that today there has been absolutely no indication whatsoever of any slowdown of construction, no cancellation of FID, nor of ships.
François Michel: Thank you for your questions. Regarding the direct impact, what I mean is that, today, for instance, you have very indirect impact on our ability to conduct business, such as logistical constraints to travel to the region, for instance, to engage with customers. Of course, if the situation were to last for a very prolonged time, at some point, we could expect some logistical delays or just issues in interacting with customers or supporting the customers in the region. It's very important to see that today there has been absolutely no indication whatsoever of any slowdown of construction, no cancellation of FID, nor of ships.
Speaker #2: I would say so . Thank you for your for for for your questions regarding the the direct impact . What I , what I mean is that today , for instance , you have very indirect impacts on our ability to conduct business , such as logistic constraints to travel to , to the region .
Speaker #2: For instance , to engage with customers . And so , of course , if the situation were to stay to last for a very prolonged time , at some point we could expect some logistic delays or just issues in interacting with customers or supporting the supporting the customers in , in the region .
Speaker #2: But it's very important to see that today . There has been absolutely no indication whatsoever of any slowdown of construction , no cancellation of rfid's , nor of nor of of ships .
François Michel: To the contrary, the indications that we have received from the Qataris is that they ask more the engineering companies to be able to restart as soon as possible the construction and the buildup of the capacity in Qatar so as to offset, at least partly, even in the short run, the capacity that has been damaged. We have no indication whatsoever that there is a long-term delay. If there was a delay, an impact, it would be, in my view, very indirect, such as disruptions in the supply chain, in particular in electronic components, because to deliver ships, you need electronic components, but we are not yet there. I believe so, and far from there. Second, yes, in terms of new organization, for me it means two business units.
François Michel: To the contrary, the indications that we have received from the Qataris is that they ask more the engineering companies to be able to restart as soon as possible the construction and the buildup of the capacity in Qatar so as to offset, at least partly, even in the short run, the capacity that has been damaged. We have no indication whatsoever that there is a long-term delay. If there was a delay, an impact, it would be, in my view, very indirect, such as disruptions in the supply chain, in particular in electronic components, because to deliver ships, you need electronic components, but we are not yet there. I believe so, and far from there. Second, yes, in terms of new organization, for me it means two business units.
Speaker #2: And to the contrary , the indications that we have received from the Qataris is that they ask more , you know , the engineering companies to be able to restart as soon as possible .
Speaker #2: The the construction and the build up of the capacity in in Qatar so as to offset at least partly the even in the short run , the capacity that has been damaged .
Speaker #2: So we have no indication whatsoever that there is a a long term delay . If there was a delay , it would be very an impact .
Speaker #2: It would be , in my view , very indirect , such as a disruptions in the supply chain in particular in electronic components , because , you know , to deliver ship's you need electronic components .
Speaker #2: But we are not yet there . I believe so , and far from there . A second . Yes , in terms of new organization , for me it means two business units .
François Michel: Of course, one which is very much larger than the other one as we speak, but the marine activity is a fully operational business unit with its management well in place, with clear operational priorities. We will report on the results. It has a CEO, a CFO, and a management team. Regarding GTT Energy, for the moment, because of the size of the business, in practice, I run this division myself together with the management team of the group.
François Michel: Of course, one which is very much larger than the other one as we speak, but the marine activity is a fully operational business unit with its management well in place, with clear operational priorities. We will report on the results. It has a CEO, a CFO, and a management team. Regarding GTT Energy, for the moment, because of the size of the business, in practice, I run this division myself together with the management team of the group.
Speaker #2: Of course, one, which is very much larger than the other one, as we speak. But the Marine activity is a fully operational business unit, with its management.
Speaker #2: Well in place, with clear operational priorities. We will report on the results. It has a CEO, a CFO, and a management team regarding GTT Energy.
Speaker #2: For the moment , because of the size of the business , I . In practice , I run this division myself together with with the management team of of the group
Richard Dawson: That's clear. Thank you.
Richard Dawson: That's clear. Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
Operator: The next question is from Kevin Roger of Kepler Cheuvreux.
Operator: The next question is from Kevin Roger of Kepler Cheuvreux.
Speaker #5: That's clear. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you .
Kevin Roger: Yes. Good evening. Thanks for taking the time. The first one is a kind of follow-up on the order intake dynamic. Basically, Q1 has been very good. You implicitly say that you still need to have a lot of orders for 2025 FID project. Do you expect, in a sense, to be able to replicate the Q1 commercial performance over the next few quarters? Just to understand what you expect as a dynamic, which is quite important in a way for the share price reaction. The second one is also on the, let's say, long-term outlook, because when we look at the implicit comment that you made from the Middle East, which is basically new LNG project diversification, possible increase in vessel intensity, more buffer, et cetera. Can you give us a bit of color on what it makes as an impact on the 10-year market outlook?
Kévin Roger: Yes. Good evening. Thanks for taking the time. The first one is a kind of follow-up on the order intake dynamic. Basically, Q1 has been very good. You implicitly say that you still need to have a lot of orders for 2025 FID project. Do you expect, in a sense, to be able to replicate the Q1 commercial performance over the next few quarters? Just to understand what you expect as a dynamic, which is quite important in a way for the share price reaction. The second one is also on the, let's say, long-term outlook, because when we look at the implicit comment that you made from the Middle East, which is basically new LNG project diversification, possible increase in vessel intensity, more buffer, et cetera. Can you give us a bit of color on what it makes as an impact on the 10-year market outlook?
Speaker #1: The next question is from Kevin Roger of Kepler's
Speaker #6: Yes . Good evening . Thanks for taking the time . The first one is a kind of follow up on the order intake dynamic .
Speaker #6: Basically , Q1 has been very good . And you implicitly say that you still need to have a lot of orders for 2025 .
Speaker #6: F ID projects . So do you expect , in a sense , to be able to replicate the Q1 commercial performance over the next few few quarters ?
Speaker #6: Just to understand what you expect as a dynamic , which is quite important in a way for for the share price reaction . And the second one is also on the , let's say , long term outlook , because when we look at the implicit comment that you made from the Middle East , which is basically new LNG project diversification , possible increase in vessel intensity , more buffer , etc.
Speaker #6: , can you give us a bit of color on what it makes as an impact on the ten year market outlook ? And if you can , in a way precise a bit , you know , the famous 450 plus plus number that you provided at the full year earnings .
Kevin Roger: If you can, in a way, precise a bit the famous 450++ number that you provided at the full-year earnings. If you have a bit of sense or a bit more color on where you think this number can land. Thanks a lot.
Kévin Roger: If you can, in a way, precise a bit the famous 450++ number that you provided at the full-year earnings. If you have a bit of sense or a bit more color on where you think this number can land. Thanks a lot.
Speaker #6: If you have a bit of sense or a bit more color on where you think this number can land, thanks a lot.
François Michel: Thank you. Thank you for your questions. Regarding the order intake dynamic, as you know, we cannot guide on orders, and certainly not on a quarterly basis. Explicitly, I can say that the vast majority of the ships that need to be ordered after 2025, record level of FID, and in fact, today, the FID of this year have not been ordered yet, and I still expect today those ships to be ordered in the coming 2 to 3 years with the usual pace. Yes, I would not be surprised if the implication of that would be good quarters in the coming years.
François Michel: Thank you. Thank you for your questions. Regarding the order intake dynamic, as you know, we cannot guide on orders, and certainly not on a quarterly basis. Explicitly, I can say that the vast majority of the ships that need to be ordered after 2025, record level of FID, and in fact, today, the FID of this year have not been ordered yet, and I still expect today those ships to be ordered in the coming 2 to 3 years with the usual pace. Yes, I would not be surprised if the implication of that would be good quarters in the coming years.
Speaker #2: Thank you . Thank you for your for your questions . So regarding the order intake dynamic , as you know , we , we cannot guide on orders and certainly not on a quarterly basis , but explicitly , I can say that the vast majority of the ships that need to be ordered after the 2020 , after 2025 record level of FIDs and in fact , the rfid's of this year have not been ordered yet .
Speaker #2: And I still expect today those ships to be ordered in the coming two to three years, so with the usual, with the usual pace.
Speaker #2: So yes , I would not be surprised if the implication of that would be good quarters in the in the coming , in the coming years .
François Michel: That is mechanical, but I cannot guide on a specific level or a normalized level quarter by quarter, in particular in the current context, because some orders could shift from one quarter to another, and that would have no material implications regarding our medium-term business model. Regarding the need for more diversification and more buffers, we know, talking directly to governments in Asia, just to come back from Asia, when we talk to the Indians, for instance, we know that there would be more buffers from those countries, meaning more storage. This is clear. There would be more floating storage and more onshore storage, more strategic storage of LNG in the region, but also a need to diversify the sources of gas. If you take a country like India, 60% of the Indian gas is coming today from the Middle East.
François Michel: That is mechanical, but I cannot guide on a specific level or a normalized level quarter by quarter, in particular in the current context, because some orders could shift from one quarter to another, and that would have no material implications regarding our medium-term business model. Regarding the need for more diversification and more buffers, we know, talking directly to governments in Asia, just to come back from Asia, when we talk to the Indians, for instance, we know that there would be more buffers from those countries, meaning more storage. This is clear. There would be more floating storage and more onshore storage, more strategic storage of LNG in the region, but also a need to diversify the sources of gas. If you take a country like India, 60% of the Indian gas is coming today from the Middle East.
Speaker #2: So that's that is mechanical . But I cannot guide on a specific level or normalized level quarter by quarter in particular in the current context , because , you know , some orders could shift from one quarter to another and that would have no material implications regarding our medium term business .
Speaker #2: Business model . Regarding the the need for more diversification and more buffers , we know talking directly to governments . In Asia , just come back from from from Asia .
Speaker #2: We know that . And we talk to the Indians , for instance . We know that there will be more buffers from those countries , meaning more storage .
Speaker #2: This is clear . So there will be more floating storage and more onshore storage , more strategic storage of of of LNG in the region .
Speaker #2: But also a need to diversify the sources of the sources of , of gas . If you take a country like India , 60% of the Indian gas is coming today from the Middle East .
François Michel: It's of course a situation that must be controlled with more buffers, but also with more diverse routes. That implies a number of additional ships to be ordered over the medium term. That is our assessment today. This effect is material, so it's not a marginal effect on the overall volume of ships. Now, can I revise the overall estimate of how many ships will need to be ordered over the next decade? We, of course, have an idea, but it's not cautious for us to release the figure today in the midst of the crisis in the Middle East. We will do it, most likely, I believe, in the H1 of next year, when the crisis is over and when the situation is completely stabilized, because we are looking at the long-term question.
François Michel: It's of course a situation that must be controlled with more buffers, but also with more diverse routes. That implies a number of additional ships to be ordered over the medium term. That is our assessment today. This effect is material, so it's not a marginal effect on the overall volume of ships. Now, can I revise the overall estimate of how many ships will need to be ordered over the next decade? We, of course, have an idea, but it's not cautious for us to release the figure today in the midst of the crisis in the Middle East. We will do it, most likely, I believe, in the H1 of next year, when the crisis is over and when the situation is completely stabilized, because we are looking at the long-term question.
Speaker #2: It's of course a situation that must be controlled with more buffers , but also with the more diverse routes . And so that implies number of additional ships to be ordered over the over the medium term .
Speaker #2: That is our assessment today . And it's this effect is material . So it's not a marginal marginal effect on the on on on , on on the overall volume of ships .
Speaker #2: So can I revise the overall estimate of how many ships will need to be ordered over the next decade ? We of course have an idea , but it would be , let's say , not cautious for us to , to , to release a figure today in the midst of of the crisis in the Middle East .
Speaker #2: And so we will do it most likely , I believe , in the first half of next year when the crisis is over and when the situation is completely stabilized , because we're looking at a long term , you long term question
Kevin Roger: Okay, thanks.
Kévin Roger: Okay, thanks.
François Michel: Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
Operator: The next question is from Alexandre Patricot of UBS.
Operator: The next question is from Alexandre Patricot of UBS.
Speaker #7: Okay . Thanks .
Speaker #2: Thank you .
Speaker #1: The next question is from Henry of UBS
Alexandre Patricot: Yes. Hello, everyone. Thank you for the ED update. Two questions from my side. The first one, following up on LNG as a fuel, can give some comments on the outlook for orders for this year. You mentioned that you're in the middle of revamping your offers. Does that imply that we shouldn't expect many orders this year, perhaps more coming next year? Secondly, to follow up on the comments on the long-term outlook, do you have any concern that the current events and disruption to LNG flows coming quite soon after the disruption that we saw back in 2022 with the Russia-Ukraine war could have a negative impact on the long-term on LNG demand as the fuel is perhaps not seen as reliable as it could be for some of the buyers? Thank you.
Henri Patricot: Yes. Hello, everyone. Thank you for the ED update. Two questions from my side. The first one, following up on LNG as a fuel, can give some comments on the outlook for orders for this year. You mentioned that you're in the middle of revamping your offers. Does that imply that we shouldn't expect many orders this year, perhaps more coming next year? Secondly, to follow up on the comments on the long-term outlook, do you have any concern that the current events and disruption to LNG flows coming quite soon after the disruption that we saw back in 2022 with the Russia-Ukraine war could have a negative impact on the long-term on LNG demand as the fuel is perhaps not seen as reliable as it could be for some of the buyers? Thank you.
Speaker #8: Yes , everyone . Thank you for the update . Two questions from my side . The first one following up on LNG as a fuel .
Speaker #8: Just wondering if you can give some comments on on the outlook for orders for this year . I mean , you mentioned that you're in the middle of revamping your your offers .
Speaker #8: Does that imply that we shouldn't expect many orders this year , perhaps more coming next year ? And then secondly , to follow up on on the comments on on the long term outlook , do you have any concern that the current events and disruption to LNG flows coming quite soon after the disruption that we saw back in in 2022 with the Russia-Ukraine war , could have a negative impact on the long term on LNG demand , as the fuel is perhaps not seen as as reliable as we thought it could be for some of the buyers .
François Michel: Thank you. We are working on a good number of projects for LNG as a fuel as we stand today. We have a good technology, which many shipyards can use, and so we are working very actively. What is true is that we would like to increase the penetration further, because we know that in the majority of cases, LNG as a fuel can be used with a membrane containment system, which is not our historical market share. It is more, let's say, a plan to win aggressively market share in this area. Yes, of course, I expect an acceleration of the sales between this year, next year, and the year after. Yes, that's totally true. Second, regarding the long-term outlook, for me the question is less the question of LNG than it is the question of investment in the Middle East.
François Michel: Thank you. We are working on a good number of projects for LNG as a fuel as we stand today. We have a good technology, which many shipyards can use, and so we are working very actively. What is true is that we would like to increase the penetration further, because we know that in the majority of cases, LNG as a fuel can be used with a membrane containment system, which is not our historical market share. It is more, let's say, a plan to win aggressively market share in this area. Yes, of course, I expect an acceleration of the sales between this year, next year, and the year after. Yes, that's totally true. Second, regarding the long-term outlook, for me the question is less the question of LNG than it is the question of investment in the Middle East.
Speaker #8: Thank you
Speaker #2: Thank you . We are working on the on a good number of of projects for LNG as a fuel . As we stand today .
Speaker #2: So we have a good technology which many shipyards can use . And so we are working very actively . What is true is that we would like to increase the penetration further , because we know that in the majority of cases , LNG as a fuel can be used with a membrane containment system , which is not our historical market share .
Speaker #2: So it is more , let's say , a plan to win aggressively market share in this in this area . And yes , of course , I expect an acceleration of the sales between this year and next year and the year and the year after .
Speaker #2: So yes , that's that's totally true . Second , regarding the long term outlook for me , the question is , is less the question of LNG that it is the question of investment in the Middle East , the Middle East , in general has been has been a seen as a as a haven , as a very safe place to to invest not only for the for energy , but also in a couple of other areas .
François Michel: The Middle East in general has been seen as a haven, as a very safe place to invest, not only for energy, but also in a couple of other areas. It's clear that people will take a buffer when they source energy from the Middle East, not only gas. What we try to show in the presentation is that, in fact, the largest dynamic that we see in the coming years is indeed coming from the USA. We see that the implications, the overall implications of the situation can be a much more diverse source of LNG, much less concentrated. Clearly, no country is buying 100% of their gas from a single country, whatever this country is, also longer shipping routes and more buffers. This is our situation now.
François Michel: The Middle East in general has been seen as a haven, as a very safe place to invest, not only for energy, but also in a couple of other areas. It's clear that people will take a buffer when they source energy from the Middle East, not only gas. What we try to show in the presentation is that, in fact, the largest dynamic that we see in the coming years is indeed coming from the USA. We see that the implications, the overall implications of the situation can be a much more diverse source of LNG, much less concentrated. Clearly, no country is buying 100% of their gas from a single country, whatever this country is, also longer shipping routes and more buffers. This is our situation now.
Speaker #2: It's clear that people will take a buffer when they source a energy from the Middle East , not only gas , but what we try to show in the presentation is that , in fact , the largest dynamic that we see in the in the coming years is indeed coming from the USA .
Speaker #2: And so we see that the implications . The overall implications of the of the of the situation can be much more diverse source of , of LNG , much less concentrated .
Speaker #2: Clearly, no countries are buying 100% of their gas from a single country, whatever this country is, but also, there are longer shipping routes and more buffers.
François Michel: I have not heard of any country, in particular in Asia, which is the largest dynamic in demands, that they are thinking about not investing anymore in gas. That's not at all the situation today. It's not the situation.
François Michel: I have not heard of any country, in particular in Asia, which is the largest dynamic in demands, that they are thinking about not investing anymore in gas. That's not at all the situation today. It's not the situation.
Speaker #2: This is our this is our our situation now , I have not heard of any country in particular in Asia , which is the largest dynamic in demand that they are thinking about , not investing any more in gas .
Speaker #2: That's not at all the situation today. It's not—it's not the situation.
Thierry Hochoa: Okay. Thank you.
Henri Patricot: Okay. Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
Operator: The next question is from Jamie Franklin of Jefferies.
Operator: The next question is from Jamie Franklin of Jefferies.
Speaker #8: Okay . Thank you .
Speaker #2: Thank you .
Speaker #1: The next question is from Jamie Franklin of Jefferies.
Jamie Franklin [VP: Hi there. Thanks for taking my question. Just one left from me. If I look at your order intake through Q1, obviously about half of those were announced prior to Middle East conflict escalation, about half after that during March and onwards. Presumably a lot of these were already in advanced stages of discussion prior to the conflict. Could you help us get a sense of how many of the Q1 orders were from discussions that started post-conflict? Or in other words, if you've seen any sort of acceleration or deceleration in inquiries for new orders? Thanks.
Jamie Franklin: Hi there. Thanks for taking my question. Just one left from me. If I look at your order intake through Q1, obviously about half of those were announced prior to Middle East conflict escalation, about half after that during March and onwards. Presumably a lot of these were already in advanced stages of discussion prior to the conflict. Could you help us get a sense of how many of the Q1 orders were from discussions that started post-conflict? Or in other words, if you've seen any sort of acceleration or deceleration in inquiries for new orders? Thanks.
Speaker #9: Hi there. Thanks for taking my question. Just one left from me. So, if I look at your order intake through the first quarter, obviously about half of those were announced prior to the Middle East conflict escalation.
Speaker #9: About half after that, during March and onwards. But presumably, a lot of these were already in advanced stages of discussion prior to the conflict.
Speaker #9: Could you help us give us get a sense of how many of the one . Q orders were from discussions that started post-conflict or .
Speaker #9: In other words, have you seen any sort of acceleration or deceleration in inquiries for new orders? Thanks.
François Michel: Thank you. It's a good question. The majority of those orders, of course, have been discussed for a couple of weeks or a couple of months, in fact. The cycle for us is long, and we don't see any deceleration of the discussions regarding the pace of orders. We don't expect to slow down of orders in the coming quarters. If this answers your question. I hope it doesn't.
François Michel: Thank you. It's a good question. The majority of those orders, of course, have been discussed for a couple of weeks or a couple of months, in fact. The cycle for us is long, and we don't see any deceleration of the discussions regarding the pace of orders. We don't expect to slow down of orders in the coming quarters. If this answers your question. I hope it doesn't.
Speaker #2: So thank you . It's a it's a good question . The majority of those orders , of course , have been discussed for for a couple of couple of weeks or a couple of months , in fact .
Speaker #2: So the cycle for us is long, and we don't see any deceleration of, of the, of the discussions regarding the pace of orders.
Speaker #2: And so we don't expect a slowdown of orders in the coming quarters. Your question, I hope it doesn't.
Jamie Franklin [VP: Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you.
Jamie Franklin: Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
Operator: As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone. The next question is from Jean-Luc Romain of CIC CIB.
Operator: As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone. The next question is from Jean-Luc Romain of CIC CIB.
Speaker #9: Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you .
Speaker #1: As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star one on your telephone. The next question is from Jean-Luc Romain of CIC CIB.
Jean-Luc Romain: Thank you for taking my question. I've got two. The first is about the adoption of your new GTT NEXT1 technology. In light of the evolving needs of your customers and final clients, do you see this technology as possibly adopted faster? The second question is regarding the map you show on slide 10. I didn't saw Russia, but I think, I guess it's in other producers. Just one question.
Jean-Luc Romain: Thank you for taking my question. I've got two. The first is about the adoption of your new GTT NEXT1 technology. In light of the evolving needs of your customers and final clients, do you see this technology as possibly adopted faster? The second question is regarding the map you show on slide 10. I didn't saw Russia, but I think, I guess it's in other producers. Just one question.
Speaker #10: Thank you for taking my question. I've got two. The first is about the adoption of your new GTD. Next, one on technology.
Speaker #10: In light of the evolving needs of your customers and clients , do you see this technology as possibly adopted faster ? And the second question is regarding the map you show on site , then I know don't take it .
Speaker #10: It was, it's—I saw where I didn't see Russia, but I think, I guess it's, you know, overproducers. Or just one question.
François Michel: Okay. Thank you for your question. Over the medium term, what we believe is that if we have longer routes of shipping and in general longer storage and people will invest in general on systems with a low boil-off rate. As you know, GTT NEXT1 has been developed as a platform, in fact, to reach very, very low levels of boil-off. We believe that the overall environment is conducive to an acceleration of low boil-off rate systems, including GTT NEXT1. Yes.
François Michel: Okay. Thank you for your question. Over the medium term, what we believe is that if we have longer routes of shipping and in general longer storage and people will invest in general on systems with a low boil-off rate. As you know, GTT NEXT1 has been developed as a platform, in fact, to reach very, very low levels of boil-off. We believe that the overall environment is conducive to an acceleration of low boil-off rate systems, including GTT NEXT1. Yes.
Speaker #2: Okay , so over the medium term , thank you for your question . Over the medium term , what we believe is that if we have longer routes of shipping and in general , longer storage and people will invest in general on systems with a low boil off rate .
Speaker #2: And as you know , next one has been developed as a platform . In fact , to reach a very , very low level levels of boil off .
Speaker #2: So we believe that the overall environment is conducive to an acceleration in of low boil off rate systems , including next one . Yes Regarding your second question , the map .
Thierry Hochoa: Regarding your second question, the map. Okay, fine.
Thierry Hochoa: Regarding your second question, the map. Okay, fine.
François Michel: Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Okay, fine. Thank you.
Jean-Luc Romain: Thank you.
Jean-Luc Romain: Thank you.
Operator: The last question is from Jean-François Granjon of Oddo BHF.
Operator: The last question is from Jean-François Granjon of Oddo BHF.
Speaker #10: Thank you
Speaker #1: The last question is from Jean-François Granjon of Odo BHF.
Jean-François Granjon: Yes. Good evening. You have probably already answered my two questions. Nevertheless, I will come back on the first one on the Middle East. Taking into account the situations, do you expect a slowdown for the future? FID, I think for the ship owner, it's not very interesting to invest immediately on a new vessel, on new LNGCs. I do expect some potential risk to see a slowdown for the future orders with probably a lower FID from the Middle East area. The second question, I would come back on the LNG as a fuel. You mentioned the press release some more and more competition. Could you explain more or give us some more color about that? What do you expect, and do you consider that it would be more and more difficult to develop your own membrane technology?
Jean-François Granjon: Yes. Good evening. You have probably already answered my two questions. Nevertheless, I will come back on the first one on the Middle East. Taking into account the situations, do you expect a slowdown for the future? FID, I think for the ship owner, it's not very interesting to invest immediately on a new vessel, on new LNGCs. I do expect some potential risk to see a slowdown for the future orders with probably a lower FID from the Middle East area. The second question, I would come back on the LNG as a fuel. You mentioned the press release some more and more competition. Could you explain more or give us some more color about that? What do you expect, and do you consider that it would be more and more difficult to develop your own membrane technology?
Speaker #3: Yes . You are probably already answered my two questions . Nevertheless , I will come back on the first one on the Middle East , taking into account the situation , do you expect a slowdown for the future ?
Speaker #3: If ID , I think for for the the the ship , it's not very interesting to point to invest immediately . On this on the new vessel , a new LNG CIS .
Speaker #3: So do you expect some potential risks to see a slowdown for the future orders, with probably a lower FID from the Middle East area?
Speaker #3: And the second question, I will come back on the LNG as a fuel. You mentioned in the press release that there is more and more competition.
Speaker #3: So could you explain more or give us some more color about about that ? What do you expect ? And do you consider that it's really more and more difficult to , to , to develop your own technology membrane technology ?
Jean-François Granjon: Are you more cautious regarding the trend expected for your business in this market? Thank you.
Jean-François Granjon: Are you more cautious regarding the trend expected for your business in this market? Thank you.
Speaker #3: And are you more cautious regarding the trend expected for your business in this, in this market? Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you for your questions. On the Middle East, what I think is important to see is that, of course, for let's say consumers of LNG in particular in Asia Pacific, but also from the Middle East perspective, it is a crisis. For other continents, in particular for the US and for exporters of LNGs which are not in the Middle East, this crisis is very unfortunate, but it is an opportunity. If anything, we don't see at all a slowdown of orders of LNGC. We don't anticipate it from the non-Middle East part, if you want. We also don't anticipate a slowdown in FID from the non-Middle East part. There will be, in the short run, volatility and uncertainty regarding everything that comes out of the Middle East, meaning FID, but also LNGC orders, perhaps in the very short run.
François Michel: Thank you for your questions. On the Middle East, what I think is important to see is that, of course, for let's say consumers of LNG in particular in Asia Pacific, but also from the Middle East perspective, it is a crisis. For other continents, in particular for the US and for exporters of LNGs which are not in the Middle East, this crisis is very unfortunate, but it is an opportunity. If anything, we don't see at all a slowdown of orders of LNGC. We don't anticipate it from the non-Middle East part, if you want. We also don't anticipate a slowdown in FID from the non-Middle East part. There will be, in the short run, volatility and uncertainty regarding everything that comes out of the Middle East, meaning FID, but also LNGC orders, perhaps in the very short run.
Speaker #2: So thank you for your questions on on the Middle East . What I think is important to see is that , of course , for for for let's say , consumers of LNG in particular , in , in Asia Pacific , but but also from the Middle East perspective , it is a crisis .
Speaker #2: But for other continents, in particular for the US and for exporters of LNG who are not in the Middle East.
Speaker #2: This crisis is a, is a, is a very unfortunate one. But it is an opportunity. And so, if anything, we don't see at all a slowdown of orders of LNG.
Speaker #2: We don't anticipate it from the non-Middle East part. If you want. We also don't anticipate a slowdown in RFIDs from the non-Middle East part.
Speaker #2: They will be in the short run , volatility and uncertainty regarding everything that comes out of the Middle East , meaning rfid's . But also LNG orders , perhaps in the very short run .
François Michel: Beyond those short-term effects, what we anticipate is that it will be more than compensated by additional investments outside of the Middle East. Regarding your second question, LNG as a fuel. What I think is, first of all, the trend towards LNG as a fuel will continue for, again, primarily for environmental concerns, but also because it has really become the fuel of choice for large container ships and for cruise ships. I don't expect any disruptions in this trend. What we also believe is that for many reasons, but including because of rising labor costs, lower labor availability, lower qualified labor availability, we must industrialize our membrane containment systems more to bring them in, let's say, easier to do business with directly to the yards, which is something that GTT has not done historically.
François Michel: Beyond those short-term effects, what we anticipate is that it will be more than compensated by additional investments outside of the Middle East. Regarding your second question, LNG as a fuel. What I think is, first of all, the trend towards LNG as a fuel will continue for, again, primarily for environmental concerns, but also because it has really become the fuel of choice for large container ships and for cruise ships. I don't expect any disruptions in this trend. What we also believe is that for many reasons, but including because of rising labor costs, lower labor availability, lower qualified labor availability, we must industrialize our membrane containment systems more to bring them in, let's say, easier to do business with directly to the yards, which is something that GTT has not done historically.
Speaker #2: But beyond those short-term effects, what we anticipate is that it will be more than compensated by additional investments outside of the Middle East.
Speaker #2: Regarding your second question , LNG as a fuel ? Well , I think what I think is , first of all , the trend towards LNG as a fuel will will continue for , again , primarily for environment concerns , but also because it's the it's the , the , it has really become the fuel of choice for large container ships and for cruise ships .
Speaker #2: So I don't , I don't expect any disruptions in this in this trend . But what we also believe is that for many reasons , but including because of rising labor costs , lower labor availability , lower qualified labor availability , we must industrialize our membrane containment systems more to bring them in .
Speaker #2: Let's say , more easy to do business with directly to the yards , which is something that GBT has not done historically . We have been a little bit shy at , you know , providing solutions in a turnkey fashion or in a prefab fashion together with partners .
François Michel: We have been a little bit shy at providing solutions in a turnkey fashion and in a prefab fashion together with partners, and this is the core of what we are working on. I have absolutely no doubt that, and from my experience in the yard, I have no doubts about the fact that by making our solutions easier to use directly in the yards, we will increase the penetration of our solution. I'm optimistic regarding this market.
François Michel: We have been a little bit shy at providing solutions in a turnkey fashion and in a prefab fashion together with partners, and this is the core of what we are working on. I have absolutely no doubt that, and from my experience in the yard, I have no doubts about the fact that by making our solutions easier to use directly in the yards, we will increase the penetration of our solution. I'm optimistic regarding this market.
Speaker #2: And this is the core of what we are working on . And I have absolutely no doubt that and from my experience in the yard , I have no doubts about the fact that by making our solutions easier to do , to use directly in the yards , we will increase the penetration of our solution .
Speaker #2: So, I’m optimistic regarding this. Regarding this market.
Operator: Okay. Very well. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Jean-François Granjon: Okay. Very well. Thank you. Thank you very much.
François Michel: Thank you.
François Michel: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Operator: Thank you. There are no more questions at this time.
Operator: Thank you. There are no more questions at this time.
Speaker #2: Thank you
Speaker #1: Gentlemen, there are no more questions at this time.
François Michel: Thank you. Thank you all for your various questions and for your attention. We look forward to continuing the discussions with you and to seeing you soon.
François Michel: Thank you. Thank you all for your various questions and for your attention. We look forward to continuing the discussions with you and to seeing you soon.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Thank you all for your various questions and for your attention. We look forward to continuing the discussions with you and to seeing you soon.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining. The conference is now over. You may disconnect your telephones. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining. The conference is now over. You may disconnect your telephones. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you