Q4 2026 Seagate Technology Holdings PLC Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Welcome to the Seagate Technology fiscal fourth quarter and fiscal year 2026 conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by 0.
Operator: Welcome to the Seagate Technology Fiscal Q4 and Fiscal Year 2026 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Shanye Hudson, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Operator: Welcome to the Seagate Technology Fiscal Q4 and Fiscal Year 2026 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Shanye Hudson, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1, on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #1: To withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. Please note: this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Shaney Hudson, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's call. Joining me are Dave Mosley, Seagate's Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Gianluca Romano, our Chief Financial Officer.
Shanye Hudson: Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's call. Joining me are Dave Mosley, Seagate's Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Gianluca Romano, our Chief Financial Officer. We've posted our earnings press release and detailed supplemental information for our Q4 and fiscal 2026 year-end results on the investors section of our website. During today's call, we'll refer to GAAP and non-GAAP measures. Non-GAAP figures are reconciled to GAAP figures in the earnings press release posted on our website and also included on our Form 8-K. We've not reconciled certain non-GAAP outlook measures because material items that may impact these measures are out of our control and/or cannot be reasonably predicted. A reconciliation to the corresponding GAAP measures is not available without unreasonable effort.
Shanye Hudson: Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's call. Joining me are Dave Mosley, Seagate's Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Gianluca Romano, our Chief Financial Officer. We've posted our earnings press release and detailed supplemental information for our Q4 and fiscal 2026 year-end results on the investors section of our website. During today's call, we'll refer to GAAP and non-GAAP measures. Non-GAAP figures are reconciled to GAAP figures in the earnings press release posted on our website and also included on our Form 8-K. We've not reconciled certain non-GAAP outlook measures because material items that may impact these measures are out of our control and/or cannot be reasonably predicted. A reconciliation to the corresponding GAAP measures is not available without unreasonable effort.
Speaker #2: We've posted our earnings press release and detailed supplemental information for our Q4 and fiscal 2026 year-end results on the investor section of our website.
Speaker #2: During today's call, we'll refer to GAAP and non-GAAP measures. Non-GAAP figures are reconciled to GAAP figures in the earnings press release posted on our website and also included in our Form 8-K.
Speaker #2: We have not reconciled certain non-GAAP outlook measures because material items that may impact these measures are out of our control and/or cannot be reasonably predicted.
Speaker #2: Therefore, reconciliation to the corresponding GAAP measures is not available without unreasonable effort. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that today's call contains forward-looking statements that reflect management's current views and assumptions based on information available to us as of today.
Shanye Hudson: Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that today's call contains forward-looking statements that reflect management's current views and assumptions based on information available to us as of today and should not be relied upon as of any subsequent date. Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward-looking statements, as they're subject to risks and uncertainties associated with our business. To learn more about the risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may affect our future business results, please refer to the press release issued today and our SEC filings, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q, as well as the supplemental information, all of which may be found on the investors section of our website. Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the call up for questions.
Shanye Hudson: Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that today's call contains forward-looking statements that reflect management's current views and assumptions based on information available to us as of today and should not be relied upon as of any subsequent date. Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward-looking statements, as they're subject to risks and uncertainties associated with our business. To learn more about the risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may affect our future business results, please refer to the press release issued today and our SEC filings, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q, as well as the supplemental information, all of which may be found on the investors section of our website. Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the call up for questions.
Speaker #2: Answers should not be relied upon as of any subsequent date. Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward-looking statements, as they are subject to risks and uncertainties associated with our business.
Speaker #2: To learn more about the risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may affect our future business results, please refer to the press release issued today and our SEC filings, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q, as well as the supplemental information, all of which may be found on the Investors section of our website.
Speaker #2: Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the call up for questions. To provide all analysts with the opportunity to participate, we thank you in advance for asking one primary question and then re-entering the queue.
Shanye Hudson: To provide all analysts with the opportunity to participate, we thank you in advance for asking one primary question, then reentering the queue. With that, I'll hand the call over to you, Dave.
Shanye Hudson: To provide all analysts with the opportunity to participate, we thank you in advance for asking one primary question, then reentering the queue. With that, I'll hand the call over to you, Dave.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll hand the call over to you, Dave.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Shaney. And hello, everyone. Seagate delivered a very strong finish to an outstanding fiscal 2026. Our June quarter results outperformed our expectations for both revenue and non-gap EPS, and we expanded our non-gap gross margin for a 13th consecutive quarter.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Shanye, and hello, everyone. Seagate delivered a very strong finish to an outstanding fiscal 2026. Our June quarter results outperformed our expectations for both revenue and non-GAAP EPS, and we expanded our non-GAAP gross margin for a 13th consecutive quarter. Our performance led to free cash flow margins of 31%, which totaled more than $1.1 billion, our strongest quarter in over a decade. Our impressive fiscal 2026 financial performance was underpinned by the three structural growth pillars that I outlined last quarter: sustainable market demand, our differentiated technology roadmap, and disciplined operational execution. First, sustainable market demand. As our results show, demand for mass capacity storage is strong and growing. We delivered fiscal year revenue growth of 34%, led by cloud customers' demand for data storage solutions, amplified by the adoption of AI-enhanced applications.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Shanye, and hello, everyone. Seagate delivered a very strong finish to an outstanding fiscal 2026. Our June quarter results outperformed our expectations for both revenue and non-GAAP EPS, and we expanded our non-GAAP gross margin for a 13th consecutive quarter. Our performance led to free cash flow margins of 31%, which totaled more than $1.1 billion, our strongest quarter in over a decade. Our impressive fiscal 2026 financial performance was underpinned by the three structural growth pillars that I outlined last quarter: sustainable market demand, our differentiated technology roadmap, and disciplined operational execution. First, sustainable market demand. As our results show, demand for mass capacity storage is strong and growing. We delivered fiscal year revenue growth of 34%, led by cloud customers' demand for data storage solutions, amplified by the adoption of AI-enhanced applications.
Speaker #3: Our performance led to free cash flow margins of 31%, which totaled more than $1.1 billion—our strongest quarter in over a decade. Our impressive fiscal 2026 financial performance was underpinned by the three structural growth pillars that I outlined last quarter: sustainable market demand, our differentiated technology roadmap, and disciplined operational execution.
Speaker #3: First, sustainable market demand. As our results show, demand for mass capacity storage is strong and growing. We delivered fiscal year revenue growth of 34%, led by cloud customers’ demand for data storage solutions amplified by the adoption of AI-enhanced applications.
Speaker #3: Given our momentum and the improved visibility we have into demand, we expect fiscal 2027 revenue growth to outpace our performance in fiscal 2026. Second, we are executing our differentiated technology roadmap, anchored by our HAMR-based Mosaic platform.
Dave Mosley: Given our momentum and the improved visibility we have into demand, we expect fiscal 2027 revenue growth to outpace our performance in fiscal 2026. Second, we are executing our differentiated technology roadmap, anchored by our HAMR-based Mozaic platform. HAMR enables us to increase areal density and store more data on each disk. As a result, we can scale exabyte shipments to meet rising demand in a highly capital-efficient manner to capture more value per drive. Exiting the year, HAMR-based products represented approximately 40% of our nearline exabyte shipment run rate, and we continue to invest in HAMR capabilities to support our mid-20% exabyte growth target while further enhancing profitability and capital efficiency. Our third pillar centers on translating demand strength and technology advancements into profitable growth.
Dave Mosley: Given our momentum and the improved visibility we have into demand, we expect fiscal 2027 revenue growth to outpace our performance in fiscal 2026. Second, we are executing our differentiated technology roadmap, anchored by our HAMR-based Mozaic platform. HAMR enables us to increase areal density and store more data on each disk. As a result, we can scale exabyte shipments to meet rising demand in a highly capital-efficient manner to capture more value per drive. Exiting the year, HAMR-based products represented approximately 40% of our nearline exabyte shipment run rate, and we continue to invest in HAMR capabilities to support our mid-20% exabyte growth target while further enhancing profitability and capital efficiency. Our third pillar centers on translating demand strength and technology advancements into profitable growth.
Speaker #3: Hammer enables us to increase aerial density and store more data on each disk. As a result, we can scale exabyte shipments to meet rising demand in a highly capital-efficient manner, to capture more value per drive.
Speaker #3: Exiting the year, HAMR-based products represented approximately 40% of our Nearline exabyte shipment run rate, and we continue to invest in HAMR capabilities to support our mid-20% exabyte growth target, while further enhancing profitability and capital efficiency.
Speaker #3: Our third pillar, centers on translating demand strength and technology advancements into profitable growth. In fiscal 26, we increased non-gap gross margin 10 percentage points, grew non-gap EPS more than 90%, and generated record free cash flow of $3.1 billion.
Dave Mosley: In fiscal 2026, we increased non-GAAP gross margin 10 percentage points, grew non-GAAP EPS more than 90%, and generated record free cash flow of $3.1 billion. Looking ahead to fiscal 2027, we expect to deliver sequential margin and cash generation growth throughout the year. Our confidence is supported by the scale, quality, and duration of our data center customer commitments in a strengthening demand environment. Data center demand now represents approximately 90% of our exabyte shipments. Based on the long-term supply agreements in place today, the vast majority of our nearline exabytes are now allocated into calendar 2028. Importantly, we are not seeing customers pull back on planning horizons. As our strategic relationships deepen, many are actively seeking to extend planning horizons through 2029 and beyond, which we believe reflects growing confidence in their own long-term infrastructure needs.
Dave Mosley: In fiscal 2026, we increased non-GAAP gross margin 10 percentage points, grew non-GAAP EPS more than 90%, and generated record free cash flow of $3.1 billion. Looking ahead to fiscal 2027, we expect to deliver sequential margin and cash generation growth throughout the year. Our confidence is supported by the scale, quality, and duration of our data center customer commitments in a strengthening demand environment. Data center demand now represents approximately 90% of our exabyte shipments. Based on the long-term supply agreements in place today, the vast majority of our nearline exabytes are now allocated into calendar 2028. Importantly, we are not seeing customers pull back on planning horizons. As our strategic relationships deepen, many are actively seeking to extend planning horizons through 2029 and beyond, which we believe reflects growing confidence in their own long-term infrastructure needs.
Speaker #3: Looking ahead to fiscal 2027, we expect to deliver sequential margin and cash generation growth throughout the year. Our confidence is supported by the scale, quality, and duration of our data center customer commitments, and a strengthening demand environment.
Speaker #3: Data center demand now represents approximately 90% of our exabyte shipments. Based on the long-term supply agreements in place today, the vast majority of our Neuraline exabytes are now allocated into calendar 2028.
Speaker #3: Importantly, we are not seeing customers pull back on planning horizons. As our strategic relationships deepen, many are actively seeking to extend planning horizons through 2029 and beyond, which we believe reflects growing confidence in their own long-term infrastructure needs.
Speaker #3: These engagements reinforce our view of demand durability while providing customers greater supply assurance and support for the key technology transitions. We remain disciplined in securing orders from these customers prior to initiating drive production, with contracts that define both product configuration and pricing terms covering the entirety of calendar 2027.
Dave Mosley: These engagements reinforce our view of demand durability while providing customers greater supply assurance and support for their key technology transitions. We remain disciplined in securing orders from these customers prior to initiating drive production, with contracts that define both product configuration and pricing terms covering the entirety of calendar 2027. We continue to execute our value-based pricing strategy, balancing a stronger demand environment with our objective of supporting sustainable, profitable growth over the long term. Cloud customers remain the largest driver for nearline demand today, with three years of sequential quarterly exabyte growth and no evidence of a slowdown as AI adoption now builds on demand for traditional data-intensive applications, including video. We continue to benefit from cloud infrastructure deployments, which fuel the need for scalable, cost-efficient, and reliable storage. At the same time, we believe storage demand will prove durable through investment cycles.
Dave Mosley: These engagements reinforce our view of demand durability while providing customers greater supply assurance and support for their key technology transitions. We remain disciplined in securing orders from these customers prior to initiating drive production, with contracts that define both product configuration and pricing terms covering the entirety of calendar 2027. We continue to execute our value-based pricing strategy, balancing a stronger demand environment with our objective of supporting sustainable, profitable growth over the long term. Cloud customers remain the largest driver for nearline demand today, with three years of sequential quarterly exabyte growth and no evidence of a slowdown as AI adoption now builds on demand for traditional data-intensive applications, including video. We continue to benefit from cloud infrastructure deployments, which fuel the need for scalable, cost-efficient, and reliable storage. At the same time, we believe storage demand will prove durable through investment cycles.
Speaker #3: We continue to execute our value-based pricing strategy, balancing a stronger demand environment with our objective of supporting sustainable, profitable growth over the long term.
Speaker #3: Cloud customers remain the largest driver for Neuraline demand today, with three years of sequential, quarterly exabyte growth and no evidence of a slowdown, as AI adoption now builds on demand for traditional data-intensive applications, including video.
Speaker #3: We continue to benefit from cloud infrastructure deployments, which fuel the need for scalable, cost-efficient, and reliable storage. At the same time, we believe storage demand will prove durable through investment cycles.
Speaker #3: First, new data is constantly being created across existing cloud and enterprise infrastructure. And second, customers are retaining and reusing more of that data over time, as its value extends beyond its initial use.
Dave Mosley: First, new data is constantly being created across existing cloud and enterprise infrastructure. Second, customers are retaining and reusing more of that data over time as its value extends beyond its initial use. AI is reinforcing these trends and illustrating how data is not only growing, it is compounding. With the transition from AI model training to inference to agentic applications, more data is generated and retained for historical context, compliance, and future reuse. As these data center environments become larger and more complex, customers must balance performance, energy consumption, and cost across distributed infrastructures. Cloud providers have long addressed these challenges through tiered storage architectures that combine high-performance memory and SSDs with mass capacity hard drives to optimize performance and economics at scale.
Dave Mosley: First, new data is constantly being created across existing cloud and enterprise infrastructure. Second, customers are retaining and reusing more of that data over time as its value extends beyond its initial use. AI is reinforcing these trends and illustrating how data is not only growing, it is compounding. With the transition from AI model training to inference to agentic applications, more data is generated and retained for historical context, compliance, and future reuse. As these data center environments become larger and more complex, customers must balance performance, energy consumption, and cost across distributed infrastructures. Cloud providers have long addressed these challenges through tiered storage architectures that combine high-performance memory and SSDs with mass capacity hard drives to optimize performance and economics at scale.
Speaker #3: AI is reinforcing these trends and illustrating how data is not only growing, it is compounding. With the transition from AI model training to inference to agentic applications, more data is generated and retained for historical context, compliance, and future reuse.
Speaker #3: As these data center environments become larger and more complex, customers must balance performance, energy consumption, and cost across distributed infrastructures. Cloud providers have long addressed these challenges through tiered storage architectures that combine high-performance memory and SSDs with mass-capacity hard drives to optimize performance and economics at scale.
Speaker #3: Our recent white paper with SK Hynix illustrates the importance of tiered storage for inference and agentic AI workloads, which show a direct benefit to hard drive persistent contexts across user interactions, and key-value, or KV, cache is used to retain and reuse that context efficiently.
Dave Mosley: Our recent white paper with SK Hynix illustrates the importance of tiered storage for inference in agentic AI workloads, which show a direct benefit to hard drive storage. These workloads rely on persistent context across user interactions, and key value, or KV cache, is used to retain and reuse that context efficiently. KV cache can expand significantly as the number of users increase and interactions become longer and more sophisticated. Our research found that by extending KV cache data across memory, SSD, and hard drive tiers, organizations can retain more context and avoid recomputing previously generated data. This drives the need for increased hard drive storage and reduces GPU usage during the most compute-intensive phases of an agentic application. As a result, GPU resources are available for additional revenue-generating workloads. Additionally, we are now seeing the relevance of tiered storage extend beyond large cloud data centers into enterprise deployments.
Dave Mosley: Our recent white paper with SK Hynix illustrates the importance of tiered storage for inference in agentic AI workloads, which show a direct benefit to hard drive storage. These workloads rely on persistent context across user interactions, and key value, or KV cache, is used to retain and reuse that context efficiently. KV cache can expand significantly as the number of users increase and interactions become longer and more sophisticated. Our research found that by extending KV cache data across memory, SSD, and hard drive tiers, organizations can retain more context and avoid recomputing previously generated data. This drives the need for increased hard drive storage and reduces GPU usage during the most compute-intensive phases of an agentic application. As a result, GPU resources are available for additional revenue-generating workloads. Additionally, we are now seeing the relevance of tiered storage extend beyond large cloud data centers into enterprise deployments.
Speaker #3: KV cache can expand significantly as the number of users increases and interactions become longer and more sophisticated. Our research found that by extending KV cache data across memory, SSD, and hard drive tiers, organizations can retain more contexts and avoid recomputing previously generated data.
Speaker #3: This drives the need for increased hard drive storage and reduces GPU usage during the most compute-intensive phases of an agentic application. As a result, GPU resources are available for additional revenue-generating workloads.
Speaker #3: Additionally, we are now seeing the relevance of tiered storage extend beyond large cloud data centers into enterprise deployments. As enterprises increasingly operate across public cloud, private cloud, and on-prem environments, they must manage growing volumes of structured and unstructured data while facing similar performance, cost, and energy consumption trade-offs that hyperscalers have addressed for years.
Dave Mosley: As enterprises increasingly operate across public cloud, private cloud, and on-prem environments, they must manage growing volumes of structured and unstructured data while facing similar performance costs and energy consumption trade-offs that hyperscalers have addressed for years. We see this broadening of demand in our business. Enterprise nearline revenue increased for a fifth consecutive quarter in June, and we are engaging more frequently with neo-cloud operators and leading model developers. As their data management needs scale, these providers are starting to adopt modern tier storage architectures where hard drives provide the trusted mass capacity foundation. Looking ahead, we believe physical AI applications such as robotics and autonomous vehicles will drive the next step function expansion in data creation and retention at the edge.
Dave Mosley: As enterprises increasingly operate across public cloud, private cloud, and on-prem environments, they must manage growing volumes of structured and unstructured data while facing similar performance costs and energy consumption trade-offs that hyperscalers have addressed for years. We see this broadening of demand in our business. Enterprise nearline revenue increased for a fifth consecutive quarter in June, and we are engaging more frequently with neo-cloud operators and leading model developers. As their data management needs scale, these providers are starting to adopt modern tier storage architectures where hard drives provide the trusted mass capacity foundation. Looking ahead, we believe physical AI applications such as robotics and autonomous vehicles will drive the next step function expansion in data creation and retention at the edge.
Speaker #3: We see this broadening of demand in our business. Enterprise Neuraline consecutive quarter in June, and we are engaging more frequently with NeoCloud operators and leading model developers.
Speaker #3: As their data management needs scale, these providers are starting to adopt modern tiered storage and a trusted mass-capacity foundation. Looking ahead, we believe physical AI applications such as robotics and autonomous vehicles will drive the next set of function expansion in data creation and retention at the edge.
Speaker #3: These applications rely on world models, trained on millions of hours of historical and synthetic video content, in order to understand and reliably interact with the physical world.
Dave Mosley: These applications rely on world models trained on millions of hours of historical and synthetic video content in order to understand and reliably interact with the physical world. Taken together, these trends reinforce a structural change in storage demand. Applications are creating, retaining, and reusing more data across cloud and enterprise environments than ever before, extending the role of mass capacity storage across modern tiered architectures and creating additional opportunities for Seagate over time. Our technology roadmap plays an integral role in Seagate's ability to capitalize on growing storage demand. Advancing areal density is our North Star. We believe that increasing the amount of data stored on every disk we produce is the fastest, most capital-efficient path to supporting long-term exabyte growth while maintaining relatively stable hard drive unit output.
Dave Mosley: These applications rely on world models trained on millions of hours of historical and synthetic video content in order to understand and reliably interact with the physical world. Taken together, these trends reinforce a structural change in storage demand. Applications are creating, retaining, and reusing more data across cloud and enterprise environments than ever before, extending the role of mass capacity storage across modern tiered architectures and creating additional opportunities for Seagate over time. Our technology roadmap plays an integral role in Seagate's ability to capitalize on growing storage demand. Advancing areal density is our North Star. We believe that increasing the amount of data stored on every disk we produce is the fastest, most capital-efficient path to supporting long-term exabyte growth while maintaining relatively stable hard drive unit output.
Speaker #3: Taken together, these trends reinforce a structural change in storage demand, applications are creating, retaining, and reusing more data across cloud and enterprise environments than ever before, extending the role of mass-capacity storage across modern tiered architectures and creating additional opportunities for Seagate over time.
Speaker #3: Our technology roadmap plays an integral role in Seagate's ability to capitalize on growing storage demand. Advancing areal density is our North Star. We believe that increasing the amount of data stored on every disk we produce is the fastest, most capital-efficient path to supporting long-term exabyte growth while maintaining relatively stable hard drive unit output.
Speaker #3: Our expertise across materials science, precision manufacturing, advanced photonics, and nanoscale wafer production has enabled us to pioneer HAMR technology and the Mosaic platform, which have increased storage density per disk and per drive.
Dave Mosley: Our expertise across material science, precision manufacturing, advanced photonics, and nanoscale wafer production has enabled us to pioneer HAMR technology and the Mozaic platform, which have increased storage density per disk and per drive. We continue to push the boundaries of innovation, as demonstrated by our vertically integrated laser manufacturing capabilities, which yielded tens of millions of edge-emitting lasers last quarter. Our team's achievements underscore the scale, maturity, and supply chain resilience behind our Mozaic platform. These innovations are improving the total cost of ownership for our customers while expanding our exabyte output and enhancing efficiency across our operations and supply chain. We ended fiscal 2026 on schedule with our HAMR-based product ramp. Our Mozaic 3 products are now qualified and operating in production environments across all major cloud customers.
Dave Mosley: Our expertise across material science, precision manufacturing, advanced photonics, and nanoscale wafer production has enabled us to pioneer HAMR technology and the Mozaic platform, which have increased storage density per disk and per drive. We continue to push the boundaries of innovation, as demonstrated by our vertically integrated laser manufacturing capabilities, which yielded tens of millions of edge-emitting lasers last quarter. Our team's achievements underscore the scale, maturity, and supply chain resilience behind our Mozaic platform. These innovations are improving the total cost of ownership for our customers while expanding our exabyte output and enhancing efficiency across our operations and supply chain. We ended fiscal 2026 on schedule with our HAMR-based product ramp. Our Mozaic 3 products are now qualified and operating in production environments across all major cloud customers.
Speaker #3: We continue to push the boundaries of innovation, as demonstrated by our vertically integrated laser manufacturing capabilities, which yielded tens of millions of edge-emitting lasers last quarter.
Speaker #3: Our team's achievements underscore the scale, maturity, and supply chain resilience behind our Mosaic platform. These innovations are improving the total cost of ownership for our customers while expanding our exabyte output and enhancing efficiency across our operations and supply chain.
Speaker #3: We ended fiscal 2026 on schedule with our HAMR-based product ramp. Our Mosaic 3 products are now qualified and operating in production environments across all major cloud customers.
Speaker #3: Our second-generation Mosaic 4 platform, capable of supporting up to 44 terabytes per drive, continues to ramp with the two largest global CSPs, and additional customer qualifications are underway.
Dave Mosley: Our second-generation Mozaic 4 platform, capable of supporting up to 44 TB per drive, continues to ramp with the two largest global CSPs. Additional customer qualifications are underway. We expect to achieve our next ramp milestone by exiting calendar 2026 with 50% of our HAMR exabytes on our Mozaic 4 platform. Looking further ahead, Mozaic 5, our five-plus TB per disk platform, remains on track for qualification shipments in late calendar 2027. Wrapping up, we delivered across the board in fiscal 2026, with each quarter building on the momentum of the last. We expect that momentum to continue through fiscal 2027. The growth in data creation, retention, and utilization continues to elevate the importance of hard drive storage and modern data architectures. Together, our demand outlook, differentiated technology strategy, and disciplined execution position Seagate to capture the significant opportunities ahead and create long-term value for our stakeholders.
Dave Mosley: Our second-generation Mozaic 4 platform, capable of supporting up to 44 TB per drive, continues to ramp with the two largest global CSPs. Additional customer qualifications are underway. We expect to achieve our next ramp milestone by exiting calendar 2026 with 50% of our HAMR exabytes on our Mozaic 4 platform. Looking further ahead, Mozaic 5, our five-plus TB per disk platform, remains on track for qualification shipments in late calendar 2027. Wrapping up, we delivered across the board in fiscal 2026, with each quarter building on the momentum of the last. We expect that momentum to continue through fiscal 2027. The growth in data creation, retention, and utilization continues to elevate the importance of hard drive storage and modern data architectures. Together, our demand outlook, differentiated technology strategy, and disciplined execution position Seagate to capture the significant opportunities ahead and create long-term value for our stakeholders.
Speaker #3: We expect to achieve our next ramp milestone by exiting calendar 2026 with 50% of our HAMR exabytes on our Mosaic 4 platform. Looking further ahead, Mosaic 5, our 5-plus terabyte-per-disk platform, remains on track for qualification shipments in late calendar 2027.
Speaker #3: Wrapping up, we delivered across the board in fiscal 2026, with each quarter building on the momentum of the last, and we expect that momentum to continue through fiscal 2027.
Speaker #3: The growth in data creation, retention, and utilization continues to elevate the importance of hard drive storage in modern data architectures. Together, our demand outlook, differentiated technology strategy, and disciplined execution position Seagate to capture the significant opportunities ahead and create long-term value for our stakeholders.
Speaker #3: I'll close by thanking our global team for another year of outstanding execution, but I'd also like to thank our customers, suppliers, partners, and shareholders for their continued support and trust in the company.
Dave Mosley: I'll close by thanking our global team for another year of outstanding execution. I'd also like to thank our customers, suppliers, partners, and shareholders for their continued support and trust in the company. With that, I'll turn it over to Gianluca.
Dave Mosley: I'll close by thanking our global team for another year of outstanding execution. I'd also like to thank our customers, suppliers, partners, and shareholders for their continued support and trust in the company. With that, I'll turn it over to Gianluca.
Speaker #3: With that, I'll turn it over to Gianluca.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Dave. We capped fiscal 2026 delivering strong, sequential, double-digit top- and bottom-line growth in the June quarter, supported by disciplined operational execution and both revenue and gross margin expansion across every end market we serve.
Gianluca Romano: Thank you, Dave. We capped fiscal 2026 delivering strong sequential double-digit top and bottom-line growth in the June quarter, supported by disciplined operational execution in both revenue and gross margin expansion across every end market we serve. June quarter revenue was $3.6 billion, up 17% sequentially, and up 48% year over year, exceeding the high end of our guidance range. We achieved record profitability levels across gross margin, operating margin, and earnings per share. Non-GAAP gross margin came in at 52.7%, up 570 basis points sequentially. Non-GAAP operating margin increased 710 basis points sequentially to 44.6%. Non-GAAP EPS was $5.71, up 39% quarter over quarter and 121% year over year, exceeding the high end of our guidance range by a wide margin. As Dave noted earlier, we generated free cash flow of more than $1.1 billion, rounding out our best quarterly performance in over a decade.
Gianluca Romano: Thank you, Dave. We capped fiscal 2026 delivering strong sequential double-digit top and bottom-line growth in the June quarter, supported by disciplined operational execution in both revenue and gross margin expansion across every end market we serve. June quarter revenue was $3.6 billion, up 17% sequentially, and up 48% year over year, exceeding the high end of our guidance range. We achieved record profitability levels across gross margin, operating margin, and earnings per share. Non-GAAP gross margin came in at 52.7%, up 570 basis points sequentially. Non-GAAP operating margin increased 710 basis points sequentially to 44.6%. Non-GAAP EPS was $5.71, up 39% quarter over quarter and 121% year over year, exceeding the high end of our guidance range by a wide margin. As Dave noted earlier, we generated free cash flow of more than $1.1 billion, rounding out our best quarterly performance in over a decade.
Speaker #2: June quarter revenue was $3.6 billion, up 17% sequentially and up 48% year over year, exceeding the high end of our guidance range. We achieved record profitability levels across gross margin, operating margin, and earnings per share.
Speaker #2: Non-GAAP gross margin came in at 52.7%, up 570 basis points sequentially. Non-GAAP operating margin increased 710 basis points sequentially to 44.6%. Non-GAAP EPS was $5.71, up 39% quarter over quarter and 121% year over year.
Speaker #2: Exceeding the high end of our guidance range by a wide margin. As Dave noted earlier, we generated free cash flow of more than $1.1 billion, rounding out our best quarterly performance in over a decade.
Speaker #2: Sustained data center demand continued to outpace broader company growth. In the June quarter, we shipped a total of 218 exabytes, up 34% year over year, with data center representing 89% of that total.
Gianluca Romano: Sustained data center demand continued to outpace broader company growth. In the June quarter, we shipped a total of 218 exabytes, up 34% year-over-year, with data center representing 89% of that total. We shipped 195 exabytes into the data center market, up 11% sequentially and 43% year-over-year, with data center revenue coming in at $2.9 billion, up 17% sequentially and 57% year-over-year. Global cloud customers are driving the vast majority of data center revenue and exabyte demand. At the same time, demand trends in the enterprise OEM data center markets have strengthened, reflecting growing storage requirements across a broader set of customers and workloads, many of which Dave highlighted earlier. In the June quarter, we delivered strong double-digit year-over-year growth across both revenue and exabyte shipments into the enterprise OEM markets. To support long-term demand growth, we continue to expand the deployment of HAMR technology across our product portfolio.
Gianluca Romano: Sustained data center demand continued to outpace broader company growth. In the June quarter, we shipped a total of 218 exabytes, up 34% year-over-year, with data center representing 89% of that total. We shipped 195 exabytes into the data center market, up 11% sequentially and 43% year-over-year, with data center revenue coming in at $2.9 billion, up 17% sequentially and 57% year-over-year. Global cloud customers are driving the vast majority of data center revenue and exabyte demand. At the same time, demand trends in the enterprise OEM data center markets have strengthened, reflecting growing storage requirements across a broader set of customers and workloads, many of which Dave highlighted earlier. In the June quarter, we delivered strong double-digit year-over-year growth across both revenue and exabyte shipments into the enterprise OEM markets. To support long-term demand growth, we continue to expand the deployment of HAMR technology across our product portfolio.
Speaker #2: We shipped 195 exabytes into the data center market, up 11% sequentially and 43% year over year. Data center revenue came in at $2.9 billion, up 17% sequentially and 57% year over year.
Speaker #2: Global cloud customers are driving the vast majority of data center revenue and exabyte demand. At the same time, demand trends in the enterprise OEM data center markets have strengthened, reflecting growing storage requirements across a broader set of customers and workloads.
Speaker #2: Many of which Dave highlighted earlier. In the June quarter, we delivered strong, double-digit year-over-year growth across both revenue and exabyte shipments into the enterprise OEM markets.
Speaker #2: To support long-term demand growth, we continue to expand the deployment of HAMR technology across our product portfolio. Our goal is to transition an increasing portion of production to HAMR-based products—first to address cloud customers, and over time to broaden adoption across enterprise deployments.
Gianluca Romano: Our goal is to transition an increasing portion of production to HAMR-based products, first to address cloud customers, and over time, to broaden adoption across enterprise deployments. As we make this transition, we are strategically investing in additional tools and technology to support the manufacturing of our HAMR products. These investments enable us to maintain relatively stable drive unit output as customers mix up to higher capacity drives and manufacturing cycle time increase. We believe this action will enable us to deliver near-line exabyte growth in the mid-20% range over the next few years. Beyond the data center, our edge IoT market made up 19% of revenue at $697 million, up 14% sequentially and 20% year-over-year due in part to ongoing tight supply conditions and increasing NAND pricing.
Gianluca Romano: Our goal is to transition an increasing portion of production to HAMR-based products, first to address cloud customers, and over time, to broaden adoption across enterprise deployments. As we make this transition, we are strategically investing in additional tools and technology to support the manufacturing of our HAMR products. These investments enable us to maintain relatively stable drive unit output as customers mix up to higher capacity drives and manufacturing cycle time increase. We believe this action will enable us to deliver near-line exabyte growth in the mid-20% range over the next few years. Beyond the data center, our edge IoT market made up 19% of revenue at $697 million, up 14% sequentially and 20% year-over-year due in part to ongoing tight supply conditions and increasing NAND pricing.
Speaker #2: As we make this transition, we are strategically investing in additional tools and technology to support the manufacturing of our HAMR products. This investment enabled us to maintain relatively stable drive unit output as customers mix up to higher-capacity drives and manufacturing cycle times increase.
Speaker #2: We believe this action will enable us to deliver nearline exabyte growth in the mid-20% range over the next few years. Beyond the data center, our edge IoT market made up 19% of revenue at $697 million.
Speaker #2: Up 14% sequentially and 20% year over year, due in part to ongoing Thai supply conditions and increasing NAND pricing. Moving on to the rest of the income statement, non-GAAP gross profit increased significantly to $1.9 billion, up 31% quarter over quarter and more than doubling year over year.
Gianluca Romano: Moving on to the rest of the income statement, non-GAAP gross profit increased significantly to $1.9 billion, up 31% quarter-over-quarter and more than doubling year-over-year. Non-GAAP gross margin expanded to 52.7%, up from 47% in the prior period. These improvements reflect continued execution of our long-term pricing strategy and a stronger product mix. We expect these trends to remain favorable, underpinned by strong demand. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $293 million, or 8% of revenue, reflecting our discipline in cost management. Non-GAAP operating profit increased 39% sequentially to $1.6 billion, representing 44.6% of revenue, and underscoring the scalability of our financial model, continued areal density innovation, supply discipline, and pricing strategy execution.
Gianluca Romano: Moving on to the rest of the income statement, non-GAAP gross profit increased significantly to $1.9 billion, up 31% quarter-over-quarter and more than doubling year-over-year. Non-GAAP gross margin expanded to 52.7%, up from 47% in the prior period. These improvements reflect continued execution of our long-term pricing strategy and a stronger product mix. We expect these trends to remain favorable, underpinned by strong demand. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $293 million, or 8% of revenue, reflecting our discipline in cost management. Non-GAAP operating profit increased 39% sequentially to $1.6 billion, representing 44.6% of revenue, and underscoring the scalability of our financial model, continued areal density innovation, supply discipline, and pricing strategy execution.
Speaker #2: Non-GAAP gross margin expanded to 52.7%, up from 47% in the prior period. This improvement reflects continued execution of our long-term pricing strategy and a stronger product mix.
Speaker #2: We expect these trends to remain favorable, underpinned by strong demand. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $293 million, or 8% of revenue, reflecting our discipline in cost management.
Speaker #2: Non-GAAP operating profit increased 39% sequentially to $1.6 billion, representing 44.6% of revenue and underscoring the scalability of our financial model. Continued aerial density innovation, supply discipline, and pricing strategy execution.
Speaker #2: In the June quarter, other income and expenses were $58 million, and we project OINE to decrease further in the September quarter, to approximately $45 million.
Gianluca Romano: In the June quarter, other income and expenses were $58 million, and we project OIE to decrease further in the September quarter to approximately $45 million, reflecting the benefit from lower interest expense as we continue to reduce our outstanding debt balance. Non-GAAP net income grew to $1.3 billion with corresponding non-GAAP EPS of $5.71 per share based on tax expense of $242 million and a diluted share count of approximately 231 million shares, including the net impact of our 2028 convertible notes. Turning now to the cash flow and the balance sheet. In the June quarter, we invested $187 million of capital expenditures, with total fiscal 2026 CapEx representing 4.7% of revenue. Looking ahead, we expect capital expenditures for fiscal 2027 will remain well within our target range of 4% to 6% of revenue. Free cash flow generation expanded to $1.1 billion, up 17% from the prior quarter.
Gianluca Romano: In the June quarter, other income and expenses were $58 million, and we project OIE to decrease further in the September quarter to approximately $45 million, reflecting the benefit from lower interest expense as we continue to reduce our outstanding debt balance. Non-GAAP net income grew to $1.3 billion with corresponding non-GAAP EPS of $5.71 per share based on tax expense of $242 million and a diluted share count of approximately 231 million shares, including the net impact of our 2028 convertible notes. Turning now to the cash flow and the balance sheet. In the June quarter, we invested $187 million of capital expenditures, with total fiscal 2026 CapEx representing 4.7% of revenue. Looking ahead, we expect capital expenditures for fiscal 2027 will remain well within our target range of 4% to 6% of revenue. Free cash flow generation expanded to $1.1 billion, up 17% from the prior quarter.
Speaker #2: Reflecting the benefit from lower interest expense as we continue to reduce our standing debt balance, non-GAAP net income grew to $1.3 billion, with corresponding non-GAAP EPS of $5.71 per share.
Speaker #2: Based on tax expense of $242 million, and a diluted share count of approximately 231 million shares, including the net impact of our 2028 convertible notes.
Speaker #2: Turning now to the cash flow and the balance sheet, in the June quarter we invested $187 million in capital expenditures, with total fiscal 2026 capex representing 4.7% of revenue.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, we expect capital expenditures for fiscal 2027 will remain well within our target range of 4% to 6% of revenue. Free cash flow generation expanded to $1.1 billion, up 17% from the prior quarter.
Speaker #2: We expect cash generation to further improve throughout fiscal 2027, supported by sustained demand, operational efficiencies, and capex investment discipline. During the June quarter, we returned approximately $283 million to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases.
Gianluca Romano: We expect cash generation to further improve throughout fiscal 2027, supported by sustained demand, operational efficiencies, and CapEx investment discipline. During the June quarter, we returned approximately $283 million to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. Strengthening the balance sheet was a key objective for fiscal 2026, and we delivered on our plans. We ended the year with cash and cash equivalents of $1.7 billion and strong liquidity of $3 billion, including our undrawn revolving credit facilities. Our gross debt balance was approximately $3.6 billion exiting fiscal 2026, down $1.4 billion year-over-year, including $300 million that we retired in the June quarter. Our resulting net leverage ratio improved to 0.4 times based on adjusted EBITDA of $1.7 billion for the June quarter, up 37% quarter-over-quarter and 142% year-over-year. During the September quarter, we are retiring an additional $1.2 billion in debt.
Gianluca Romano: We expect cash generation to further improve throughout fiscal 2027, supported by sustained demand, operational efficiencies, and CapEx investment discipline. During the June quarter, we returned approximately $283 million to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. Strengthening the balance sheet was a key objective for fiscal 2026, and we delivered on our plans. We ended the year with cash and cash equivalents of $1.7 billion and strong liquidity of $3 billion, including our undrawn revolving credit facilities. Our gross debt balance was approximately $3.6 billion exiting fiscal 2026, down $1.4 billion year-over-year, including $300 million that we retired in the June quarter. Our resulting net leverage ratio improved to 0.4 times based on adjusted EBITDA of $1.7 billion for the June quarter, up 37% quarter-over-quarter and 142% year-over-year. During the September quarter, we are retiring an additional $1.2 billion in debt.
Speaker #2: Strengthening the balance sheet was a key objective for fiscal 2026, and we delivered on our plans. We ended the year with cash and cash equivalents of $1.7 billion and strong liquidity of $3.0 billion.
Speaker #2: Including our undrawn revolving credit facility, our gross debt balance was approximately $3.6 billion exiting fiscal '26, down $1.4 billion year over year, including $300 million that we retired in the June quarter.
Speaker #2: Our resulting net leverage ratio improved to 0.4 times, based on adjusted EBITDA of $1.7 billion for the June quarter, up 37% quarter over quarter and 142% year over year.
Speaker #2: During the September quarter, we are retiring an additional $1.2 billion in debt. We have already extinguished $1 billion in high-yield senior notes in July, and plan to retire the remaining balance on our convertible notes in September.
Gianluca Romano: We have already extinguished $1 billion in high-yield senior notes in July and plan to retire the remaining balance on our convertible notes in September. Turning now to the September quarter outlook. Visibility from our BTO model reinforces our confidence in sustained demand for high-capacity nearline drives as AI adoption accelerates. We see continued revenue and profitability expansion in the September quarter, supported by our Mozaic ramp and pricing strategy. We expect September quarter revenue to be in a range of $4.1 billion ± $100 million, which represents a 56% year-over-year improvement at the midpoint. Non-GAAP operating expenses are expected to be approximately $300 million. Based on the midpoint of our revenue guidance, non-GAAP operating margin is expected to be around 50%.
Gianluca Romano: We have already extinguished $1 billion in high-yield senior notes in July and plan to retire the remaining balance on our convertible notes in September. Turning now to the September quarter outlook. Visibility from our BTO model reinforces our confidence in sustained demand for high-capacity nearline drives as AI adoption accelerates. We see continued revenue and profitability expansion in the September quarter, supported by our Mozaic ramp and pricing strategy. We expect September quarter revenue to be in a range of $4.1 billion ± $100 million, which represents a 56% year-over-year improvement at the midpoint. Non-GAAP operating expenses are expected to be approximately $300 million. Based on the midpoint of our revenue guidance, non-GAAP operating margin is expected to be around 50%.
Speaker #2: Turning now to the September quarter outlook. Visibility from our BTO model reinforces our confidence in sustained demand for high-capacity near-line drives as high adoption accelerates.
Speaker #2: We see continued revenue and profitability expansion in the September quarter, supported by our mosaic ramp and pricing strategy. We expect September quarter revenue to be in a range of $4.1 billion, plus or minus $100 million.
Speaker #2: This represents a 56% year-over-year improvement at the midpoint. Non-GAAP operating expenses are expected to be approximately $300 million. Based on the midpoint of our revenue guidance, non-GAAP operating margin is expected to be around 50%.
Speaker #2: Non-GAAP EPS is expected to be $7.30, plus or minus $0.20, based on a tax rate of about 16%, and a non-GAAP diluted share count of 231 million shares, including estimated dilution from our 2028 convertible notes of approximately 2 million shares.
Gianluca Romano: Non-GAAP EPS is expected to be $7.30 ± $0.20, based on a tax rate of about 16% and non-GAAP diluted share count of 231 million shares, including estimated dilution from our 2028 convertible notes of approximately 2 million shares. To close, Seagate financial results and outlook demonstrate our ability to deliver profitable growth, expand margins, and drive significant cash generation. We remain confident in delivering sequential revenue growth and margin expansion through fiscal 2027, while creating long-term value for customers and shareholders. Operator, let's open the call up for questions.
Gianluca Romano: Non-GAAP EPS is expected to be $7.30 ± $0.20, based on a tax rate of about 16% and non-GAAP diluted share count of 231 million shares, including estimated dilution from our 2028 convertible notes of approximately 2 million shares. To close, Seagate financial results and outlook demonstrate our ability to deliver profitable growth, expand margins, and drive significant cash generation. We remain confident in delivering sequential revenue growth and margin expansion through fiscal 2027, while creating long-term value for customers and shareholders. Operator, let's open the call up for questions.
Speaker #2: To close, Seagate Financial Results and Outlook. We continue to demonstrate our ability to deliver profitable growth, expand margins, and drive significant cash generation. We remain confident in delivering sequential revenue growth and margin expansion through fiscal 2027.
Speaker #2: While creating long-term value for customers and shareholders. Operator, let's open the call up for questions.
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Speaker #3: Yeah, thanks for taking the question, and congrats on the results. I want to dig a little bit deeper into the gross margin. I guess, given the guidance that you've outlined, it looks like your guide is implying a mid-57% or so gross margin into this next quarter.
Aaron Rakers: Yeah. Thanks for taking the question, and congrats on the results. I want to dig a little bit deeper into the gross margin. I guess given the guidance that you've outlined, it looks like your guide is implying like a mid-57% or so gross margin into this next quarter. I guess my question is, one, is that kind of the guidance that you're providing? Two, how do you think about the cost down execution as we move through Mozaic 3+ to Mozaic 4+, you've been operating at like a mid-teens kind of cost down per year on a per terabyte basis. Do you think that's sustainable, or how should we think about modeling that over the longer term? Thank you.
Aaron Rakers: Yeah. Thanks for taking the question, and congrats on the results. I want to dig a little bit deeper into the gross margin. I guess given the guidance that you've outlined, it looks like your guide is implying like a mid-57% or so gross margin into this next quarter. I guess my question is, one, is that kind of the guidance that you're providing? Two, how do you think about the cost down execution as we move through Mozaic 3+ to Mozaic 4+, you've been operating at like a mid-teens kind of cost down per year on a per terabyte basis. Do you think that's sustainable, or how should we think about modeling that over the longer term? Thank you.
Speaker #3: So I guess my question is: one, is that kind of the guidance that you're providing? And two, how do you think about the cost-down execution as we move through Mosaic 3 to Mosaic 4?
Speaker #3: You've been operating at a mid-teens kind of cost down per year on a per-terabyte basis. Do you think that's sustainable, or how should we think about modeling that over the longer term?
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Aaron, I'll let Gianluca answer this, but the way we're thinking about these product transitions is—and I think you know this well—we have to actually put our factories on pause to go through the product transition a little bit.
Dave Mosley: Aaron, I'll let Gianluca answer this quantitatively, but the way we're thinking about these product transitions is, and I think you know this well, we have to actually put our factories on pause to go through the product transition a little bit. As we're moving product from 3 terabytes to 4 terabytes to 5 terabytes, and then there's yield issues, and as we out-execute our plan, what happens is we have opportunity for costs to drive better cost than we thought. That answers the second part of your question. Gianluca.
Dave Mosley: Aaron, I'll let Gianluca answer this quantitatively, but the way we're thinking about these product transitions is, and I think you know this well, we have to actually put our factories on pause to go through the product transition a little bit. As we're moving product from 3 terabytes to 4 terabytes to 5 terabytes, and then there's yield issues, and as we out-execute our plan, what happens is we have opportunity for costs to drive better cost than we thought. That answers the second part of your question. Gianluca.
Speaker #4: So, as we're moving product from three terabytes to four terabytes to five terabytes, and then there's yield issues, and as we out-execute our plan, what happens is we have the opportunity for costs to be better than we thought.
Speaker #4: So that answers the second part of your question, Gianluca. Yeah.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. Hi, Aaron. Yeah, very good result, I'll say on gross margin for aid in fiscal Q4, strong improvement sequentially, and we are guiding up again. Our pricing strategy is continuing as we have discussed now for several quarters. I would say we have adopted this strategy more than 12, 13 quarters ago. We are continuing in that direction. Every quarter is a bit different, but the strategy is the same. The mix is helping. We are moving more and more into the high-capacity nearline product. We have seen another strong increase in nearline exabytes in the quarter. Everything is continuing in the same direction that we have driven the company for many quarters. Dave discussed about the cost. Of course, moving the mix from 3 terabyte to 4 terabyte per disk is, of course, giving us another boost in terms of profitability.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. Hi, Aaron. Yeah, very good result, I'll say on gross margin for aid in fiscal Q4, strong improvement sequentially, and we are guiding up again. Our pricing strategy is continuing as we have discussed now for several quarters. I would say we have adopted this strategy more than 12, 13 quarters ago. We are continuing in that direction. Every quarter is a bit different, but the strategy is the same. The mix is helping. We are moving more and more into the high-capacity nearline product. We have seen another strong increase in nearline exabytes in the quarter. Everything is continuing in the same direction that we have driven the company for many quarters. Dave discussed about the cost. Of course, moving the mix from 3 terabyte to 4 terabyte per disk is, of course, giving us another boost in terms of profitability.
Speaker #2: Hi, Aaron. So, yeah, very good result, I would say, on gross margin already in fiscal Q4—strong improvement sequentially, and we are guiding up again.
Speaker #2: So our pricing strategy is continuing as we have discussed now for several quarters. I would say we adopted this strategy more than 12 or 13 quarters ago.
Speaker #2: So we are continuing in that direction. Every quarter is a bit different, but the strategy is the same. The mix is helping. We are moving more and more into the high-capacity nearline product.
Speaker #2: We have seen another strong increase in near-line exabytes in the quarter, so everything is continuing in the same direction that we have driven the company for many quarters.
Speaker #2: Dave discussed the cost. Of course, moving the mix from 3 terabyte to 4 terabyte per disk is, of course, giving us another boost in terms of profitability.
Operator: The next question is from Ben Reitzes with Melius Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Ben Reitzes with Melius Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Ben Reitzes with Milius. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Great to be covering you again. I wanted to ask you about two longer-term demand drivers, potentially.
Ben Reitzes: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. It's great to be covering you again. I wanted to ask you about two longer-term demand drivers, potentially. I mean, this KV cache use of the HDD tier at hyperscalers. How much is that helping right now? Is it on the come? Do you expect it to kind of ease in to your exabytes? How do we look at that? When do you think physical AI really starts helping your exabytes as well?
Ben Reitzes: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. It's great to be covering you again. I wanted to ask you about two longer-term demand drivers, potentially. I mean, this KV cache use of the HDD tier at hyperscalers. How much is that helping right now? Is it on the come? Do you expect it to kind of ease in to your exabytes? How do we look at that? When do you think physical AI really starts helping your exabytes as well?
Speaker #5: I mean, this key-value cache uses the HDD tier. At hyperscalers, how much is that helping right now? Is it on the come?
Speaker #5: And do you expect it to kind of ease into your exabytes? And how do we look at that? And then when do you think physical AI really starts helping your exabytes as well?
Speaker #5: Thanks a lot.
Gianluca Romano: Thanks a lot.
Gianluca Romano: Thanks a lot.
Speaker #4: Right. Ben, I think that's good. Both very, very early days. I would say that the agentic flows that we're seeing—actually, that's the reason we pointed to the KV cache discussion.
Dave Mosley: Right, Ben. I think that's good. Both very early days. I would say that the agentic flows that we're seeing are actually the reason we pointed to the KV cache discussion. I think the key word here is context. When you set up these agents, you really need to give them context, and sometimes that's a very broad set of rules across your business or your problem set or whatever. As you do that, then you don't want to have to redo that context every time. You don't want to have to recompute all that context every time. That's what's driving storage, but still very early days. Physical AI, we are quite excited about. I think I hear a lot about robotics. We've all seen autonomous vehicles. People focus very much on the end product, the robot, if you will.
Dave Mosley: Right, Ben. I think that's good. Both very early days. I would say that the agentic flows that we're seeing are actually the reason we pointed to the KV cache discussion. I think the key word here is context. When you set up these agents, you really need to give them context, and sometimes that's a very broad set of rules across your business or your problem set or whatever. As you do that, then you don't want to have to redo that context every time. You don't want to have to recompute all that context every time. That's what's driving storage, but still very early days. Physical AI, we are quite excited about. I think I hear a lot about robotics. We've all seen autonomous vehicles. People focus very much on the end product, the robot, if you will.
Speaker #4: I think the key word here is context. When you set up these agents, you really need to give them context, and sometimes that's a very broad set of rules across your business or your problem set, or whatever.
Speaker #4: And as you do that, then you don't want to have to redo that context every time. You don't want to have to recompute all that context every time.
Speaker #4: So that's what's driving storage, but still very early days. Physical AI, we are quite excited about. I think I hear a lot about robotics.
Speaker #4: We've all seen autonomous vehicles. People focus very much on the end product—the robot, if you will. But I actually think it's a lot more of a data play.
Dave Mosley: I actually think it's a lot more of a data play. These robots have sensors on them. They're sensor networks. In order for them to learn, the data actually comes back up into a local cloud or a bigger cloud. When people say physical AI to me, I think it's a lot more about the data, the data processing, what kind of learning you're getting from that, and exactly to your question, how much you have to store to make sure you have that context long term. We think these are both great opportunities. In particular, the physical AI stuff is largely more about video, so it's a very unstructured type of data coming. It's not like the days of old where you had spreadsheets or checklists to fill out that were complete structured data.
Dave Mosley: I actually think it's a lot more of a data play. These robots have sensors on them. They're sensor networks. In order for them to learn, the data actually comes back up into a local cloud or a bigger cloud. When people say physical AI to me, I think it's a lot more about the data, the data processing, what kind of learning you're getting from that, and exactly to your question, how much you have to store to make sure you have that context long term. We think these are both great opportunities. In particular, the physical AI stuff is largely more about video, so it's a very unstructured type of data coming. It's not like the days of old where you had spreadsheets or checklists to fill out that were complete structured data.
Speaker #4: These robots have sensors on them. They're sensor networks. In order for them to learn, the data actually comes back up into a local cloud or a bigger cloud.
Speaker #4: And so when people say 'physical AI' to me, I think it's a lot more about the data that it's processing, what kind of learning you're getting from that.
Speaker #4: And to answer your question directly, how much you have to store to make sure you have that context long term—so, we think these are both great opportunities.
Speaker #4: In particular, the physical AI stuff is largely more about video. So, it's a very unstructured type of data coming in. It's not like the days of old, where you had spreadsheets or checklists to fill out that were complete structured data.
Speaker #4: This is very unstructured data that the machines are learning from, and they might want to learn again and again, but you don't want to have to repurpose that into the memory tier.
Dave Mosley: This is very unstructured data that the machines are learning from, they might want to learn again and again. You don't want to have to repromote that into the memory tier. We think that's a great opportunity for us.
Dave Mosley: This is very unstructured data that the machines are learning from, they might want to learn again and again. You don't want to have to repromote that into the memory tier. We think that's a great opportunity for us.
Speaker #4: So we think that's a great opportunity for us.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Eric Woodring with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #5: Great, guys. Thank you for taking my question, and congrats on the really nice results and guide. Gianluca, for a number of quarters, you've been quite steadfast that price per exabyte growth would be kind of this mid- to high-single-digit year-over-year.
Erik Woodring: Great, guys. Thank you for taking my question, congrats on the really nice results and guide. Gianluca, for a number of quarters, you've been quite steadfast that price per exabyte growth would be kind of this mid to high single digits year-over-year. You just reported 10% year-over-year price per exabyte growth in June. I think the Q3 guide implies pricing growth closer to maybe 20% year-over-year or even above that. Can you maybe just provide an update for us on how we should be thinking about pricing looking forward? Why this trend we're seeing in the Q3 shouldn't sustain or maybe even accelerate, just given supply-demand imbalance, customer demand strength, delivering more value to customers, et cetera. Thanks so much.
Erik Woodring: Great, guys. Thank you for taking my question, congrats on the really nice results and guide. Gianluca, for a number of quarters, you've been quite steadfast that price per exabyte growth would be kind of this mid to high single digits year-over-year. You just reported 10% year-over-year price per exabyte growth in June. I think the Q3 guide implies pricing growth closer to maybe 20% year-over-year or even above that. Can you maybe just provide an update for us on how we should be thinking about pricing looking forward? Why this trend we're seeing in the Q3 shouldn't sustain or maybe even accelerate, just given supply-demand imbalance, customer demand strength, delivering more value to customers, et cetera. Thanks so much.
Speaker #5: You just reported 10% year-over-year price per exabyte growth in June. I think the September quarter guide implies pricing growth closer to maybe 20% year-over-year, or even above that.
Speaker #5: Can you maybe just provide an update for us on how we should be thinking about pricing looking forward? Why this trend we're seeing in the September quarter shouldn’t sustain, or maybe even accelerate, just given supply-demand imbalance, customer demand strength, delivering more value to customers, etc.?
Speaker #5: Thanks so much.
Speaker #2: Hi, Eric. Oh, you're correct. As I said before, it’s now that we are changing our strategy, but for sure, the gap between supply and demand is now a little bit bigger than a few quarters ago.
Gianluca Romano: Hi, Erik. You are correct. As I said before, it's not that we are changing our strategy, for sure, the gap between supply and demand is now a little bit bigger than a few quarters ago. Our volume was little bit higher in fiscal Q4. Now we think can be maybe a little bit of output available in fiscal Q1. Of course, we are pricing that increased output at a very good price right now. I would say not really a change in our strategy, but a very good execution. Now with demand being particularly strong right now, we take a little bit more pricing benefit. Now, of course, every quarter is different. We will see now in the following few quarters how the pricing will evolve.
Gianluca Romano: Hi, Erik. You are correct. As I said before, it's not that we are changing our strategy, for sure, the gap between supply and demand is now a little bit bigger than a few quarters ago. Our volume was little bit higher in fiscal Q4. Now we think can be maybe a little bit of output available in fiscal Q1. Of course, we are pricing that increased output at a very good price right now. I would say not really a change in our strategy, but a very good execution. Now with demand being particularly strong right now, we take a little bit more pricing benefit. Now, of course, every quarter is different. We will see now in the following few quarters how the pricing will evolve.
Speaker #2: And our volume was a little bit higher in fiscal Q4. Now, we think there can be maybe a little bit of output available in fiscal Q1.
Speaker #2: And of course, we are pricing that increased output at a very good price right now. So, I would say not really a change in our strategy, but a very good execution, and with demand being particularly strong right now, we take a little bit more pricing benefit.
Speaker #2: Now, of course, every quarter is different. We will see now in the following few quarters how the pricing will evolve. But I think we were very clear, both Dave and I, in our prepared remarks.
Gianluca Romano: I think we were very clear, both Dave and I, in our prepare in March, we see every quarter revenue to improve and every quarter gross margin and profitability in general to increase. Of course, pricing is a part of this sequential improvement through the fiscal year.
Gianluca Romano: I think we were very clear, both Dave and I, in our prepare in March, we see every quarter revenue to improve and every quarter gross margin and profitability in general to increase. Of course, pricing is a part of this sequential improvement through the fiscal year.
Speaker #2: We see revenue improving every quarter, and with each quarter, gross margin and overall profitability also increasing. So, of course, pricing is a part of this sequential improvement throughout the fiscal year.
Operator: The next question is from Asiya Merchant with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Asiya Merchant with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Asia Merchant with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Asiya Merchant: Great. Thank you. Great results here. If I may just, on the exabyte CAGR growth, I think you guys reiterated sort of this mid-20%. You guys obviously have been executing too much greater than that. I think I heard about some investments that you're doing. Just help us understand about 30% exabyte growth rate, could that sustain as you enter fiscal 2027, especially as you're migrating more towards your second generation HAMR and then you're ramping further out into your Mozaic 5? If you could just help us understand why exabyte CAGR could or could not sustain at this 30% as we look into fiscal 2027. Thank you.
Asiya Merchant: Great. Thank you. Great results here. If I may just, on the exabyte CAGR growth, I think you guys reiterated sort of this mid-20%. You guys obviously have been executing too much greater than that. I think I heard about some investments that you're doing. Just help us understand about 30% exabyte growth rate, could that sustain as you enter fiscal 2027, especially as you're migrating more towards your second generation HAMR and then you're ramping further out into your Mozaic 5? If you could just help us understand why exabyte CAGR could or could not sustain at this 30% as we look into fiscal 2027. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Great. Thank you. Great results here. And if I may, just on the exabyte CAGR growth, I think you guys reiterated sort of this mid-20%.
Speaker #6: You guys obviously have been executing to much greater than that. I think I heard about some investments that you're doing. Just help us understand, this above 30% exabyte growth rate—could that sustain as you enter fiscal '27, especially as you're migrating more towards your second-generation HAMR?
Speaker #6: And then you’re ramping further out into your Mosaic 5.0. So if you could just help us understand why exabyte CAGR could or could not sustain at this 30% as we look into fiscal '27.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Asia. As we said before, we're not really increasing the box count. We are working really hard to get the heads of media inside the boxes to be able to go up and the technology capability to get exabytes out.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Asya. As we said before, we're not really increasing the box count. We are working really hard to get the heads and media inside the boxes to be able to go up and the technology capability to get exabytes out. Exactly to your point, what's the ultimate CAGR? It's how fast we can do that, how successfully we can do that. We are going through product transitions. I mentioned this earlier. As you do that, there's a little bit of inefficiency in your factories, but long term, you actually get many more exabytes out as we go from three to four to five. That's the way we're focused. What you've seen so far is the transition largely to three. We are ramping the four right now and the five is coming and so on.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Asya. As we said before, we're not really increasing the box count. We are working really hard to get the heads and media inside the boxes to be able to go up and the technology capability to get exabytes out. Exactly to your point, what's the ultimate CAGR? It's how fast we can do that, how successfully we can do that. We are going through product transitions. I mentioned this earlier. As you do that, there's a little bit of inefficiency in your factories, but long term, you actually get many more exabytes out as we go from three to four to five. That's the way we're focused. What you've seen so far is the transition largely to three. We are ramping the four right now and the five is coming and so on.
Speaker #4: And exactly to your point, what's the ultimate CAGR? It's how fast we can do that, how successfully we can do that. We are going through product transitions.
Speaker #4: I mentioned this earlier. So as you do that, there's a little bit of inefficiency in your factories. But long term, you actually get many, many more exabytes out as we go from three to four to five.
Speaker #4: And that's the way we're focused. What you've seen so far is the transition largely to 3. We are ramping the 4 right now, and the 5 is coming.
Speaker #4: And so how we play that is depending upon how we see end-customer demand, what the qualification schedule is like for those customers. And we need visibility because that's three to four quarters out from when we do wafer start.
Dave Mosley: How we play that is depending upon how we see end customer demand, what the qualification schedule's like for those customers. We need visibility because that's three to four quarters out from when we do wafer start. Also we get a little bit better yields. We can out a few more exabytes here and there, and the team has been doing fantastic on that front. All these dynamics are how we actually have to predict the next few years, and that's one of the reasons we say mid-20s. Could we execute a little bit better? Not conceivably, but there's a lot of invention required still.
Dave Mosley: How we play that is depending upon how we see end customer demand, what the qualification schedule's like for those customers. We need visibility because that's three to four quarters out from when we do wafer start. Also we get a little bit better yields. We can out a few more exabytes here and there, and the team has been doing fantastic on that front. All these dynamics are how we actually have to predict the next few years, and that's one of the reasons we say mid-20s. Could we execute a little bit better? Not conceivably, but there's a lot of invention required still.
Speaker #4: But also, we get a little bit better yields. We can put a few more exabytes here and there. And the team has been doing fantastic on that front.
Speaker #4: So, all these dynamics are how we actually have to predict the next few years, and that's one of the reasons we stay mid-20s. Could we execute a little bit better?
Speaker #4: Not conceivably, but there's still a lot of invention required.
Speaker #1: The next question is from CJ Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from CJ Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from CJ Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Yeah, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. A follow-up on pricing: I'm curious if you could kind of speak to like-for-like versus the benefit of newer products.
CJ Muse: Yeah, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. A follow-up on pricing. I'm curious if you could kind of speak to like-for-like versus the benefit of newer products. Moreover, if you could speak to how we should be thinking about contracts rolling off, renegotiating of existing contracts, and how that is impacting the relative year-over-year pricing, particularly as it relates to that strong 20-plus% number embedded in the September guide, and how to think about the moving parts into December and beyond. Thank you.
CJ Muse: Yeah, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. A follow-up on pricing. I'm curious if you could kind of speak to like-for-like versus the benefit of newer products. Moreover, if you could speak to how we should be thinking about contracts rolling off, renegotiating of existing contracts, and how that is impacting the relative year-over-year pricing, particularly as it relates to that strong 20-plus% number embedded in the September guide, and how to think about the moving parts into December and beyond. Thank you.
Speaker #7: And then, moreover, if you could speak to how we should be thinking about contracts rolling off, renegotiation of existing contracts, and how that is impacting the relative kind of year-over-year pricing.
Speaker #7: Particularly as it relates to that strong 20-plus percent number embedded in the September guide, and how to think about the moving parts into December and beyond.
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thanks, CJ. As we said in the prepared remarks, we're trying to be predictable for at least the next year, because that's what we have visibility to in our factories.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, CJ. We are, as we said in the prepared remarks, we're trying to be predictable for at least the next year because that's what we have visibility to in our factories, and that's when we know the exact configuration, and we determine pricing with our customers. As various customers are rolling through those periods, interesting things happen. First, there's product qualification. Like-for-like is kind of tough because we are moving products so quickly through transitionary periods. That benefits us, it also benefits them. If they're building a data center, they get a better TCO out of those products. Then there's other architectural reasons that may slow down or speed up their ability to adjust these things. It is fairly complicated.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, CJ. We are, as we said in the prepared remarks, we're trying to be predictable for at least the next year because that's what we have visibility to in our factories, and that's when we know the exact configuration, and we determine pricing with our customers. As various customers are rolling through those periods, interesting things happen. First, there's product qualification. Like-for-like is kind of tough because we are moving products so quickly through transitionary periods. That benefits us, it also benefits them. If they're building a data center, they get a better TCO out of those products. Then there's other architectural reasons that may slow down or speed up their ability to adjust these things. It is fairly complicated.
Speaker #4: And that's when we know the exact configuration, and we determine pricing with our customers. But as various customers are rolling through those periods, interesting things happen.
Speaker #4: First, there's product qualification. Like-for-like is kind of tough because we are moving products so quickly through transitionary periods that it benefits us. It also benefits them—if they're building a data center, they get a better TCO out of those products.
Speaker #4: And then there are other architectural reasons that may slow down or speed up their ability to ingest these things, so it is fairly complicated. What we're seeing over time is not only what we lock in for that period of a year, but we also see our ability to execute a little bit better, and that's usually two or three quarters out.
Dave Mosley: What we're seeing over time is not only what we lock in for that period of a year, we also see our ability to execute a little bit better, and that's usually two or three quarters out. That's not in quarter, but we execute a little bit better. We have more exabytes to give, and we determine how hungry the market really is for those exabytes, and usually they'll pay more than that contract price, if you will, for those exabytes. That's why you see these step functions. I think we're all confident about the demand that we're seeing, both ourselves and our customers, but also they're voting every day with that by signing up to pricing that is even higher than some of the contractual stuff that we had done together.
Dave Mosley: What we're seeing over time is not only what we lock in for that period of a year, we also see our ability to execute a little bit better, and that's usually two or three quarters out. That's not in quarter, but we execute a little bit better. We have more exabytes to give, and we determine how hungry the market really is for those exabytes, and usually they'll pay more than that contract price, if you will, for those exabytes. That's why you see these step functions. I think we're all confident about the demand that we're seeing, both ourselves and our customers, but also they're voting every day with that by signing up to pricing that is even higher than some of the contractual stuff that we had done together.
Speaker #4: That's not in the quarter, but we execute a little bit better. We have more exabytes to give, and we determine how hungry the market really is for those exabytes.
Speaker #4: And usually, they'll pay more than that contract price, if you will, for those exabytes. And so that's why you see these step functions. Therefore, I think we're all confident about the demand that we're seeing—both ourselves and our customers. Also, they're voting every day with that by signing up to pricing that is even higher than some of the contractual stuff that we had done together.
Speaker #2: Yeah, CJ, you were asking about the new orders that we are negotiating, and the new LTAs that we are negotiating. The trend is the same as in the past.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. CJ, you were asking about the new orders that we are negotiating and the new LTAs that we are negotiating. The trend is the same all the past. We see strong demand and of course, opportunity for us to continue to push on our pricing and pricing strategy and continue in the same direction. Every quarter is a bit different, depend how many contract we negotiate, what is the volume for different customers, what is the upside volume, if any, that is available, and what is the price. It's not a straight line. I would say the trend is clear. I'll say we have really performed in the same way for more than three years at this point, is right now is particularly strong in term of supply, demand, and pricing, but it's going to continue.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. CJ, you were asking about the new orders that we are negotiating and the new LTAs that we are negotiating. The trend is the same all the past. We see strong demand and of course, opportunity for us to continue to push on our pricing and pricing strategy and continue in the same direction. Every quarter is a bit different, depend how many contract we negotiate, what is the volume for different customers, what is the upside volume, if any, that is available, and what is the price. It's not a straight line. I would say the trend is clear. I'll say we have really performed in the same way for more than three years at this point, is right now is particularly strong in term of supply, demand, and pricing, but it's going to continue.
Speaker #2: Now, we see strong demand and, of course, an opportunity for us to continue to push on our pricing and pricing strategy, continuing in the same direction.
Speaker #2: Every quarter is a bit different depending on how many contracts we negotiate, what the volume is for different customers, what upside volume, if any, is available, and what the price is.
Speaker #2: So, it's not a straight line, but I'll say the trend is clear. I'll say we have really performed in the same way for more than three years.
Speaker #2: At this point, it's not right now. It's particularly strong in terms of supply, demand, and pricing. But it's going to continue. We're already discussing the next two or three quarters going in the same direction.
Gianluca Romano: We are already discussing about the next two or three quarters going in the same direction.
Gianluca Romano: We are already discussing about the next two or three quarters going in the same direction.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I just had a two-parter here. So you guys had previously said 70% of Nearline exabytes will be HAMR by June 2027.
Tom O'Malley: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I just had a two-parter here. You guys had previously said 70% of nearline exabytes will be HAMR by June of 2027. How are you tracking to that? I saw in the preamble that you specifically called out, as you're transitioning there, you're strategically investing in additional tools, technology, and manufacturing. Is that just something that you would normally put in the preamble? It stood out a little bit to me. Could you maybe be more specific on what you're investing in there to help you get to that percentage of the total mix? Thank you.
Tom O'Malley: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I just had a two-parter here. You guys had previously said 70% of nearline exabytes will be HAMR by June of 2027. How are you tracking to that? I saw in the preamble that you specifically called out, as you're transitioning there, you're strategically investing in additional tools, technology, and manufacturing. Is that just something that you would normally put in the preamble? It stood out a little bit to me. Could you maybe be more specific on what you're investing in there to help you get to that percentage of the total mix? Thank you.
Speaker #7: How are you tracking to that? And then, I saw in the preamble that you specifically called out, as you're transitioning there, you're strategically investing in additional tools, technology, and manufacturing.
Speaker #7: Is that just something that you would normally put in the preamble? It stood out a little bit to me. Could you maybe be more specific on what you're investing in there to help you get to that percentage of the total mix?
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Yeah, Tom, we're still pushing HAMR well and it's reacting exactly as we thought it would a couple of years ago. We have, as time has marched on, pushed maybe PMR a little bit harder than we thought.
Dave Mosley: Yeah. Tom, we're still pushing HAMR well, and it's reacting exactly what we thought it would a couple of years ago. As time has marched on, we have pushed maybe PMR a little bit harder than we thought. Transitionarily, I think we're still on generally the same trends and everything's going well. Relative to the investment, most of the tools that we're investing in are directly contributing to those heads and media that are driving those technology transitions. I'm very happy with how the team's executed on that front, three to four to five, like we've talked about before. Very optimistic about it. I think ultimately, HAMR's going to completely take over the portfolio because of it.
Dave Mosley: Yeah. Tom, we're still pushing HAMR well, and it's reacting exactly what we thought it would a couple of years ago. As time has marched on, we have pushed maybe PMR a little bit harder than we thought. Transitionarily, I think we're still on generally the same trends and everything's going well. Relative to the investment, most of the tools that we're investing in are directly contributing to those heads and media that are driving those technology transitions. I'm very happy with how the team's executed on that front, three to four to five, like we've talked about before. Very optimistic about it. I think ultimately, HAMR's going to completely take over the portfolio because of it.
Speaker #4: So, transitionally, I think we're still generally on the same trends, and everything's going well. Relative to the investment, most of the tools that we're investing in are directly contributing to those heads and media that are driving those technology transitions.
Speaker #4: I'm very happy with how the team's executed on that front—three, four, five—like we've talked about before. I'm very optimistic about it.
Speaker #4: And I think ultimately, HAMR is going to completely take over the portfolio because of it. We're learning more and more about the tools all the time.
Dave Mosley: We're learning more and more about the tools all the time, and that's part of how we do areal density development, is to get the latest tools on, learn how to run them, and see what we can do with them. I would say, long-term, I think there's probably more favorability for areal density than I thought a couple of years ago.
Dave Mosley: We're learning more and more about the tools all the time, and that's part of how we do areal density development, is to get the latest tools on, learn how to run them, and see what we can do with them. I would say, long-term, I think there's probably more favorability for areal density than I thought a couple of years ago.
Speaker #4: And that's part of how we do aerial density development: to get the latest tools on, learn how to run them, and see what we can do with them.
Speaker #4: And I would say, long term, I think there's probably more favorability for aerial density than I had thought a couple of years ago.
Speaker #2: Yeah. And in terms of HAMR percentage of exabytes, we have actually just achieved our first milestone, which was to achieve 40% of Nearline exabytes sold on HAMR drives by June.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. In terms of HAMR percentage of exabytes, we have actually just achieved our first milestone, which was to achieve 40% of nearline exabyte sold on HAMR drive by June. We just did that, and so I'll say we are on track to achieve the future goals. Actually, on the new investment, there is, of course, a big difference between components and all these drive units. Now, for example, if you look at our last year, and if you look at the number of disks and the number of heads inside the box, they probably grew between 15% and 20%, and the units were absolutely flat. There is always a mix-up of drives going more and more into the nearline and going more and more close to the 10 disks and 20 heads. Of course, there is a strong shift year over year over year.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. In terms of HAMR percentage of exabytes, we have actually just achieved our first milestone, which was to achieve 40% of nearline exabyte sold on HAMR drive by June. We just did that, and so I'll say we are on track to achieve the future goals. Actually, on the new investment, there is, of course, a big difference between components and all these drive units. Now, for example, if you look at our last year, and if you look at the number of disks and the number of heads inside the box, they probably grew between 15% and 20%, and the units were absolutely flat. There is always a mix-up of drives going more and more into the nearline and going more and more close to the 10 disks and 20 heads. Of course, there is a strong shift year over year over year.
Speaker #2: So we just did that. And so I'll say we are on track to achieve the future goals. I'll say on the new investment, there is, of course, a big difference between components and RDS drive units.
Speaker #2: Now, if you, for example, if you look at our last year, and you look at the number of discs and the number of heads inside the box, they probably grew between 15 and 20 percent.
Speaker #2: And the units were absolutely flat. So, there is always a mix-up of drives going more and more into the nearline and going more and more close to the 10 discs and 20 heads.
Speaker #2: But, of course, there is a strong shift year over year over year. This has happened for the last 10 or 20 years, so it's normal that, even with flat RDS drive units, we need to increase heads and media through time.
Gianluca Romano: This happened for now the last 10, 20 years. It's normal that even with flat HDDs drive units, we need to increase heads and media through time. That's the normal part of the business.
Gianluca Romano: This happened for now the last 10, 20 years. It's normal that even with flat HDDs drive units, we need to increase heads and media through time. That's the normal part of the business.
Speaker #2: That's the normal part of the business.
Operator: The next question is from Mark.
Operator: The next question is from Mark.
Speaker #1: The next question is from—oh, excuse me.
Dave Mosley: I would say one more.
Operator: Excuse me.
Dave Mosley: I would say one more.
Operator: Excuse me.
Dave Mosley: Sorry. One more thing on that point, because I think a lot of people still don't understand this. The thing that's actually driving factory complexity is not just drive numbers or heads numbers or media numbers, it's actually the product transitions. These new products, say 4 terabytes going to 5 terabytes, there will be more time in the tools, more time through the tools. Sometimes it has to touch the tool multiple times. The factory complexity is what's driving a lot of the investment that you made reference of, Tom.
Dave Mosley: Sorry. One more thing on that point, because I think a lot of people still don't understand this. The thing that's actually driving factory complexity is not just drive numbers or heads numbers or media numbers, it's actually the product transitions. These new products, say 4 terabytes going to 5 terabytes, there will be more time in the tools, more time through the tools. Sometimes it has to touch the tool multiple times. The factory complexity is what's driving a lot of the investment that you made reference of, Tom.
Speaker #4: Sorry, one more thing on that point, because I think a lot of people still don't understand this. So, the thing that's actually driving factory complexity is not just drive numbers or heads numbers or media numbers.
Speaker #4: It's actually the product transitions. These new products—say, four terabytes going to five terabytes—there will be more time in the tools, more time through the tools.
Speaker #4: Sometimes it has to touch the tool multiple times. The factory complexity is what's driving a lot of the investment that you made reference to, Tom.
Operator: The next question is from Mark Newman with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Mark Newman with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Mark Newman with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Hey, thanks for taking my question, and congrats on another great quarter. There have been lots of questions on pricing, so I wanted to talk more about the technology and the cost.
Mark Newman: Hey, thanks. Taking my question, congrats on another great quarter. Lots of questions on the pricing, I wanted to talk more about the technology and the cost. Could you update us on the HAMR portion of your shipments? I think you've guided before 40% est in the fiscal year on HAMR and 50% est in calendar year 2026. Are we on target for that or tracking ahead of that? A guidance you can say on that. Also Mozaic 4+, you said ramping to global CSPs. I think you said it's a very small portion of revenue in the previous quarter, but it's going to become more significant in the Q3. Just want to clarify that.
Mark Newman: Hey, thanks. Taking my question, congrats on another great quarter. Lots of questions on the pricing, I wanted to talk more about the technology and the cost. Could you update us on the HAMR portion of your shipments? I think you've guided before 40% est in the fiscal year on HAMR and 50% est in calendar year 2026. Are we on target for that or tracking ahead of that? A guidance you can say on that. Also Mozaic 4+, you said ramping to global CSPs. I think you said it's a very small portion of revenue in the previous quarter, but it's going to become more significant in the Q3. Just want to clarify that.
Speaker #3: Could you update us on the HAMR portion of your shipments? I think you've guided before to 40% exiting the fiscal year on HAMR, and 50% exiting calendar year '26.
Speaker #3: Are we on target for that, or tracking ahead of that? Any guidance you can give on that? And then also, Mosaic 4—you said ramping to global CSVs.
Speaker #3: So is that going to—I think you said it's a very small portion of revenue in the previous quarter, but it's going to become more significant?
Speaker #3: In the first—in the September quarter, just want to clarify that. And then, given all that, should we expect that cost declines should be potentially accelerating, given this upcoming ramp of Mosaic 4?
Mark Newman: Given all that, should we expect that cost declines should be potentially accelerating given this upcoming ramp of Mozaic 4+, and now you're at the sharpest part of the S-curve for the HAMR adoption. Just want to see if anything you can comment on that would be really appreciated. Thanks so much.
Mark Newman: Given all that, should we expect that cost declines should be potentially accelerating given this upcoming ramp of Mozaic 4+, and now you're at the sharpest part of the S-curve for the HAMR adoption. Just want to see if anything you can comment on that would be really appreciated. Thanks so much.
Speaker #3: And now you're almost at—you're now at the sharpest part of the S-curve for the HAMR adoption. So just wanted to see if anything you could comment on that would be really appreciated.
Speaker #3: Thanks very much.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Mark. Yeah, we're on target for all the metrics that you talked about. I would say, relative to Mosaic 4, it was pretty consequential last quarter even, and it's ramping quite nicely.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Mark. Yeah, we're on target for all the metrics that you talked about. I would say relative to Mozaic 4+, it was pretty consequential last quarter even. It's ramping quite nicely. We intentionally have maybe throttled the Mozaic 4+ ramp because of qualification cycles and everything else. Other customers as they qualify, they're full of the last generation product as well. Things are fairly complicated in the supply chain. Mozaic 4+ is quite successful out in the market. It will continue to ramp over the course of this next fiscal year.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Mark. Yeah, we're on target for all the metrics that you talked about. I would say relative to Mozaic 4+, it was pretty consequential last quarter even. It's ramping quite nicely. We intentionally have maybe throttled the Mozaic 4+ ramp because of qualification cycles and everything else. Other customers as they qualify, they're full of the last generation product as well. Things are fairly complicated in the supply chain. Mozaic 4+ is quite successful out in the market. It will continue to ramp over the course of this next fiscal year.
Speaker #4: We intentionally have maybe throttled the Mosaic 4 ramp because of qualification cycles and everything else. And other customers, as they qualify, they're full of the last generation product as well.
Speaker #4: So, things are fairly complicated in the supply chain, but Mosaic 4 is quite successful out in the market. It will continue to ramp over the course of this next fiscal year.
Speaker #2: Yeah, no, just to clarify, with Starship being a Mosaic 4 in March—so the March quarter volume was pretty low. But the June quarter was a good ramp-up.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. No, just to clarify. No, we start shipping Mozaic 4+ in March. March quarter volume was pretty low. June quarter was a good ramp up. It is also a strong contributor to our financial performance. It will be even better in the September quarter. Of course, we are already all focusing on the next step. That will be the 5 terabyte per disk and the 50 terabyte drive in next calendar year.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. No, just to clarify. No, we start shipping Mozaic 4+ in March. March quarter volume was pretty low. June quarter was a good ramp up. It is also a strong contributor to our financial performance. It will be even better in the September quarter. Of course, we are already all focusing on the next step. That will be the 5 terabyte per disk and the 50 terabyte drive in next calendar year.
Speaker #2: It's also a strong contributor to our financial performance. And we'll be even better in the September quarter and then of course, we are already all focusing on the next step that will be the five terabyte per disc and the 50 terabyte drive.
Speaker #2: In next calendar year.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Wamsy Mohan with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Wamsi Mohan with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Wamsi Mohan with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Yes, thank you. I was wondering if you could maybe just clarify how much of your fiscal '27, fiscal '28 exabyte view is locked in via build-to-order versus maybe not under LTAs?
Wamsi Mohan: Yes, thank you. I was wondering if you could maybe just clarify on how much of your fiscal 2027, fiscal 2028 exabyte view is locked in via build to order versus maybe not under LTAs. As you think about the pricing uplift in September, part of that is coming from one of your initial HAMR customers that had more favorable pricing rolling off. Should we still expect the price momentum to continue at those levels for the rest of the fiscal year? I know you said that you would see revenue and margin increase every quarter. Any thoughts on sort of the magnitude of either sequential or year on year, given those comments around the initial customer? Thank you.
Wamsi Mohan: Yes, thank you. I was wondering if you could maybe just clarify on how much of your fiscal 2027, fiscal 2028 exabyte view is locked in via build to order versus maybe not under LTAs. As you think about the pricing uplift in September, part of that is coming from one of your initial HAMR customers that had more favorable pricing rolling off. Should we still expect the price momentum to continue at those levels for the rest of the fiscal year? I know you said that you would see revenue and margin increase every quarter. Any thoughts on sort of the magnitude of either sequential or year on year, given those comments around the initial customer? Thank you.
Speaker #5: And as you think about the pricing uplift in September, part of that is coming from one of your initial HAMR customers that had more favorable pricing rolling off.
Speaker #5: So should we still expect the price momentum to continue at those levels for the rest of for the rest of the fiscal year? I know you said that you would see revenue and margin increase every quarter, but any thoughts on sort of the magnitude of either sequential or year-on-year given those comments around the initial customer?
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Yeah, Wamsy, you're right. On the second point, I think it's important to realize that as we do roll through, there are different phases that different customers are under.
Dave Mosley: Yeah. Wamsi, you're right. On the second point, I think it's important to realize that as we do roll through, there's different phases that different customers are under and that renegotiation occurs. We are pretty predictable, I think, through FY27, so we have good line of sight. We are also getting a little bit more product out as we continue these product ramps because we're working the yields and scrap really aggressively on new products. To the extent that we can, since there's such strong exabyte demand out there, we'll offer that to people out in the market that are showing us that opportunity.
Dave Mosley: Yeah. Wamsi, you're right. On the second point, I think it's important to realize that as we do roll through, there's different phases that different customers are under and that renegotiation occurs. We are pretty predictable, I think, through FY27, so we have good line of sight. We are also getting a little bit more product out as we continue these product ramps because we're working the yields and scrap really aggressively on new products. To the extent that we can, since there's such strong exabyte demand out there, we'll offer that to people out in the market that are showing us that opportunity.
Speaker #4: And that renegotiation occurs. We are pretty predictable, I think, through FY '27, so we have good line of sight. But we are also getting a little bit more product out as we continue these product ramps, because we're working the yields and scrap really aggressively on new products.
Speaker #4: So, to the extent that we can, since there's such strong exabyte demand out there, we'll offer that to people out in the market that are showing us that opportunity.
Speaker #2: Yeah, that's easy. To that particular customer, the volume that was sold at that preferential price in June was minimal. So in September, we will not have any.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah, relatively to that particular customer, the volume that was sold at the preferential price in June was minimal. September we will not have any. There is a little bit of a positive impact from that, it's not the major reason why pricing is a little bit better in September than June. Of course, there's more overall demand and those are customers that are chasing a little bit more volume right now.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah, relatively to that particular customer, the volume that was sold at the preferential price in June was minimal. September we will not have any. There is a little bit of a positive impact from that, it's not the major reason why pricing is a little bit better in September than June. Of course, there's more overall demand and those are customers that are chasing a little bit more volume right now.
Speaker #2: So there is a little bit of positive impact from that, but it's not the major reason why pricing is a little bit better in September than in June.
Speaker #2: Of course, it's more overall demand, and those are customers that are chasing a bit more volume right now.
Operator: The next question is from Joseph Cardoso with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Joseph Cardoso with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Joseph Cardoso with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for the question. Maybe just a clarification from my end: I'm not really seeing or trying to increase the box count here.
Joseph Cardoso: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for the question. Maybe just a clarification from my end on not really seeing or trying to increase the box count here. Does that encompass your visibility into nearline allocations into 2028 and the planning that you're seeing extending into 2029? How should we think about visibility into pricing in those outer years as well? Thanks for the question.
Joseph Cardoso: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for the question. Maybe just a clarification from my end on not really seeing or trying to increase the box count here. Does that encompass your visibility into nearline allocations into 2028 and the planning that you're seeing extending into 2029? How should we think about visibility into pricing in those outer years as well? Thanks for the question.
Speaker #5: Does that encompass your visibility into nearline allocations into 2028 and the planning that you're seeing extending into '29? And then, how should we think about visibility into pricing in those out-years as well?
Speaker #5: Thanks for the question.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Joseph. Yeah, I mean, you're right. Thanks for the question, because many investors are new to stocks, so we'll try to explain this again.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Joseph. Yeah, you're right. Thanks for the question. Many investors are new to the stock, we'll try to explain this again. Our strategy coming out of the last down cycle has been to keep the number of drives flat, and we're still on that path. Inside the drives, however, there's all these critical components, heads and media, and that is rising slightly. I think Gianluca made reference to this before. That puts strain on our internal heads and media fabs, which are under our control. We're going through these aggressive transitions. That's the big story. The big story is the process content, the manufacturing complexity as we move from 3 terabytes to 4 terabytes to 5 terabytes. The routes get more complicated than the technology transitions that are putting large strain on our internal components.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Joseph. Yeah, you're right. Thanks for the question. Many investors are new to the stock, we'll try to explain this again. Our strategy coming out of the last down cycle has been to keep the number of drives flat, and we're still on that path. Inside the drives, however, there's all these critical components, heads and media, and that is rising slightly. I think Gianluca made reference to this before. That puts strain on our internal heads and media fabs, which are under our control. We're going through these aggressive transitions. That's the big story. The big story is the process content, the manufacturing complexity as we move from 3 terabytes to 4 terabytes to 5 terabytes. The routes get more complicated than the technology transitions that are putting large strain on our internal components.
Speaker #4: So our strategy coming out of the last down cycle has been to keep the number of drives flat, and we're still on that path.
Speaker #4: Inside the drives, however, there are all these critical components—heads and media. And that is rising slightly. I think Gianluca made reference to this before.
Speaker #4: So that puts strain on our internal heads and media fabs, which are under our control. And we're going through these aggressive transitions. That's the big story.
Speaker #4: The big story is the process content, the manufacturing complexity as we move from 3 terabytes to 4 terabytes to 5 terabytes. The routes get more complicated, and the technology transitions are putting large strain on our internal components.
Speaker #4: But with the curves that we're on, we believe that this is the best way to bring more exabytes out into the world—it's to stay focused this way.
Dave Mosley: With the curves that we're on, we believe that this is the best way to bring more exabytes out into the world, is to stay focused this way. That's our strategy.
Dave Mosley: With the curves that we're on, we believe that this is the best way to bring more exabytes out into the world, is to stay focused this way. That's our strategy.
Speaker #4: And so that's our strategy.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Carl Ackerman with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Karl Ackerman with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Karl Ackerman with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Yes, thank you. Dave, you spoke about qualifications on Mosaic among hyperscalers, but how should we think about Seagate's growing exposure to neo-clouds and foundational model companies?
Karl Ackerman: Yes, thank you. Dave, you spoke about qualifications on Mozaic among hyperscalers, how should we think about Seagate's growing exposure to NeoClouds and foundational model companies? I was hoping you could parse between demand from traditional hyperscale, NeoCloud, and maybe on-prem implicit in your September outlook. Thank you.
Karl Ackerman: Yes, thank you. Dave, you spoke about qualifications on Mozaic among hyperscalers, how should we think about Seagate's growing exposure to NeoClouds and foundational model companies? I was hoping you could parse between demand from traditional hyperscale, NeoCloud, and maybe on-prem implicit in your September outlook. Thank you.
Speaker #3: I was hoping you could parse between demand from traditional hyperscale, neocloud, and maybe on-prem, implicit in your September outlook. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Carl. Yeah, two years ago, I would have said neocloud is probably largely compute-based. But we're starting to see that even some of the largest neoclouds—they need a lot of data coming at them.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Karl. 2 years ago, I would've said NeoCloud is probably largely compute based. We're starting to see that even some of the largest NeoClouds, they need a lot of data coming at them, and where did they get that data in the past? They might have got that from traditional hyperscalers. There are some places where NeoClouds are saying, I need instances close to me. By the way, I do not think that's necessarily competitive with the hyperscalers. There are so many different application-specific reasons for people to have an exabyte or 2 sitting around, especially training various types of training for applications. We are starting to have exactly the dialogues that you talked about. Everyone knows the hyperscaler architectures and the efficiency of the hyperscaler architectures, and they know that they want that same efficiency.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Karl. 2 years ago, I would've said NeoCloud is probably largely compute based. We're starting to see that even some of the largest NeoClouds, they need a lot of data coming at them, and where did they get that data in the past? They might have got that from traditional hyperscalers. There are some places where NeoClouds are saying, I need instances close to me. By the way, I do not think that's necessarily competitive with the hyperscalers. There are so many different application-specific reasons for people to have an exabyte or 2 sitting around, especially training various types of training for applications. We are starting to have exactly the dialogues that you talked about. Everyone knows the hyperscaler architectures and the efficiency of the hyperscaler architectures, and they know that they want that same efficiency.
Speaker #4: And where do they get that data in the past? They might have got that from traditional hyperscalers, but there are some places where neoclouds are saying, "I need instances close to me." By the way, I do not think that's necessarily competitive with the hyperscalers.
Speaker #4: I mean, there are so many different application-specific reasons for people to have an exabyte or two sitting around, especially for training—various types of training for applications.
Speaker #4: So we are starting to have exactly the dialogues that you talked about. Everyone knows the hyperscaler architectures and the efficiency of the hyperscaler architectures because they know that they want that same efficiency.
Speaker #4: And in some cases, we're talking about systems-level discussions with these customers. In other cases, we're just talking about drives. Also, since they're going to be running this gear for a long time, they want to be on the cutting edge of technology transitions.
Dave Mosley: In some cases, we're talking about systems-level discussions with these customers. In other cases, we're just talking about drive. They also, since they're going to be running this gear for a long time, they want to be on the cutting edge of technology transitions. Sometimes that's hard because of feature sets, and they may not be as robust as some of the other people, so they need help with that, and it is a very complicated qualification space.
Dave Mosley: In some cases, we're talking about systems-level discussions with these customers. In other cases, we're just talking about drive. They also, since they're going to be running this gear for a long time, they want to be on the cutting edge of technology transitions. Sometimes that's hard because of feature sets, and they may not be as robust as some of the other people, so they need help with that, and it is a very complicated qualification space.
Speaker #4: Sometimes that's hard because of feature sets, and they may not be as robust as some of the other people. So they need help with that.
Speaker #4: And it is a very complicated qualification space.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Amit Daryanani with Evercore. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Amit Daryanani with Evercore. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Amit Daryanani with Evercore. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Yep. Justin, thanks for my team question. Yeah, I guess, Dave, as you look at the LTAs and the visibility on exabyte demand that you have for '28 and even counting '29, can you meet all the exabyte demand that's out there in '28, '29 entirely through areal density gains?
Amit Daryanani: Yes, Justin, thanks for my team on the question. I guess, Dave, as you look at the LTAs and the visibility on exabyte demand that you have for 2028, and even count the 2029, can you meet all the exabyte demand that's out there in 2028, 2029 entirely through areal density gains? Maybe just touch on how secure do you think your own upstream supply chain is for specialized components, especially as HAMR starts to scale up. I'd love to just understand the component side from your perspective. Gianluca, I'd love to understand when you're going to get to 80% gross margins, if you want to oblige and answer that. Thank you.
Amit Daryanani: Yes, Justin, thanks for my team on the question. I guess, Dave, as you look at the LTAs and the visibility on exabyte demand that you have for 2028, and even count the 2029, can you meet all the exabyte demand that's out there in 2028, 2029 entirely through areal density gains? Maybe just touch on how secure do you think your own upstream supply chain is for specialized components, especially as HAMR starts to scale up. I'd love to just understand the component side from your perspective. Gianluca, I'd love to understand when you're going to get to 80% gross margins, if you want to oblige and answer that. Thank you.
Speaker #5: And maybe just touch on how secure you think your own upstream supply chain is for specialized components, especially as HAMR starts to scale up?
Speaker #5: I'd love to just kind of understand the component side from your perspective. And Gianluca, I'd love to understand where you're going to get to 80% gross margins, if you want to oblige and answer that.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Amit. So, on the supply chain piece, working with our supply partners that have been through a lot, like we were a few years ago—as you know—we're making sure that everybody's kind of lined up and it's well orchestrated.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Amit. On the supply chain piece, working with our supply partners that have been through a lot like we were a few years ago, as you know, we're making sure that everybody's kind of lined up and it's well-orchestrated. That's an important part of our supply chain. We cannot have people individually doing investments and then someone else not doing the investment and it not be well-orchestrated, because that drives cost the wrong way. How confident are we in demand long term? Very confident. I do think that there's a lot of people out trying to understand all these new applications that are coming at us and saying, "What does that mean for the storage tier?" I also think that there's well-tractioned applications already in the market, whether they're pre-AI, which was huge, right? Some of the video applications we've talked about before.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Amit. On the supply chain piece, working with our supply partners that have been through a lot like we were a few years ago, as you know, we're making sure that everybody's kind of lined up and it's well-orchestrated. That's an important part of our supply chain. We cannot have people individually doing investments and then someone else not doing the investment and it not be well-orchestrated, because that drives cost the wrong way. How confident are we in demand long term? Very confident. I do think that there's a lot of people out trying to understand all these new applications that are coming at us and saying, "What does that mean for the storage tier?" I also think that there's well-tractioned applications already in the market, whether they're pre-AI, which was huge, right? Some of the video applications we've talked about before.
Speaker #4: That's an important part of our supply chain. We cannot have people kind of individually doing investments, and then someone else not doing the investment, and not be well orchestrated, because that drives cost the wrong way.
Speaker #4: How confident are we in demand long-term? Very confident. I do think that there's a lot of people out trying to understand all these new applications that are coming at us and saying, "What does that mean for the storage tier?" I also think that there are well-tractioned applications already in the market, whether they're pre-AI, which was huge, right?
Speaker #4: Some of the video applications we've talked about before, or whether they're now AI-enabled, are driving the storage tier even higher. And so the forecasting, especially for some of those new applications, is relatively harder.
Dave Mosley: Whether they're now AI-enabled, that are driving the storage tier even higher. The forecasting, especially for some of those new applications, is relatively harder. I think there's a lot of optimism around it, but I also think that the existing data sphere, if you will, inside of these cloud service providers, is growing at a certain large clip anyway. I do not think that probably our areal density transitions are going to be sufficient, but I do think that they're strong, and I think it allows people to plan their businesses well, and that's one of the reasons we're having good conversations out in that time frame.
Dave Mosley: Whether they're now AI-enabled, that are driving the storage tier even higher. The forecasting, especially for some of those new applications, is relatively harder. I think there's a lot of optimism around it, but I also think that the existing data sphere, if you will, inside of these cloud service providers, is growing at a certain large clip anyway. I do not think that probably our areal density transitions are going to be sufficient, but I do think that they're strong, and I think it allows people to plan their businesses well, and that's one of the reasons we're having good conversations out in that time frame.
Speaker #4: I think there's a lot of optimism around it, but I also think that the existing data sphere—if you will—inside of these cloud service providers is growing at a certain large clip anyway.
Speaker #4: I do not think that probably our aerial density transitions are going to be sufficient, but I do think that there are strong—and I think it allows people to plan their businesses well.
Speaker #4: And that's one of the reasons we're having good conversations out in that time frame.
Speaker #2: On the gross margin, Amit, I would say our incremental gross margin has been very strong for the last several quarters. Overall gross margin is improving sequentially.
Gianluca Romano: On the gross margin, Amit, I would say our incremental gross margin has been very strong for the last several quarters. Overall gross margin is improving sequentially very well. We don't have a specific target. We will continue to improve based on the business situation. We know already that for the rest of the fiscal year, we will have sequential improvement every quarter. Then we will see at a certain point where we are, but we don't have a specific number that we are trying to achieve.
Gianluca Romano: On the gross margin, Amit, I would say our incremental gross margin has been very strong for the last several quarters. Overall gross margin is improving sequentially very well. We don't have a specific target. We will continue to improve based on the business situation. We know already that for the rest of the fiscal year, we will have sequential improvement every quarter. Then we will see at a certain point where we are, but we don't have a specific number that we are trying to achieve.
Speaker #2: Very well. So, we don't have a specific target. We will continue to improve based on the business situation, and we know already that for the rest of the fiscal year, we will have sequential improvement every quarter.
Speaker #2: And then we will see, at a certain point, where we are, but we don't have a specific number that we are trying to achieve.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Steven Fox with Fox Advisors. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Steven Fox with Fox Advisors. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Steven Fox with Fox Advisors. Please go ahead.
Steven Fox: Hi. Good afternoon. I just wanted to ask a free cash flow question, if I could. Off of a 10-year high, can you talk about, I guess, the dynamics that drive from just a manufacturing standpoint, a higher free cash flow margin in the future? Because as the areal density increases, the increases as a percentage are smaller, I don't know if that helps, or Dave, to your other point about passing through the same equipment makes it more capital intensive, et cetera. Just as a follow-up to that, can you maybe remind us where you want to get debt levels to and when buybacks could start? Thanks.
Steven Fox: Hi. Good afternoon. I just wanted to ask a free cash flow question, if I could. Off of a 10-year high, can you talk about, I guess, the dynamics that drive from just a manufacturing standpoint, a higher free cash flow margin in the future? Because as the areal density increases, the increases as a percentage are smaller, I don't know if that helps, or Dave, to your other point about passing through the same equipment makes it more capital intensive, et cetera. Just as a follow-up to that, can you maybe remind us where you want to get debt levels to and when buybacks could start? Thanks.
Speaker #5: Hi, good afternoon. I just wanted to ask a free cash flow question, if I could. So, off of a 10-year high, can you talk about, I guess, the dynamics that drive, from just a manufacturing standpoint, a higher free cash flow margin in the future?
Speaker #5: Because as the aerial density increases, the increases as a percentage are smaller. So I don't know if that helps. Or, Dave, to your other point about passing through the same equipment, it makes it more capital-intensive, etc.
Speaker #5: And just as a follow-up to that, can you maybe remind us where you want to get debt levels to, and when buybacks could start?
Speaker #5: Thanks.
Speaker #4: Yeah, thanks, Steve. So, we'll stay within our capital model. I mean, we talked about 4% to 6% of revenue as our range for capex.
Dave Mosley: Yeah. Thanks, Steve. We'll stay within our capital model. We talked about 4% to 6% of revenue as our range for CapEx. The tools we're buying are modern tools, and we're refreshing part of the fleet, even with that 5% of revenue as CapEx. We're refreshing the fleet and doing quite well at that. We'll turn all that into areal density, and that's what we're really excited about. I think relative to free cash flow, from an OpEx perspective, we don't see the need to add a bunch of OpEx. We feel our team is doing really well on all the innovation vectors, whether it's a mechanical vector or it's a quantum device vector in the recording fabs or lasers now or whatever. We think that the team is funded well and doing well.
Dave Mosley: Yeah. Thanks, Steve. We'll stay within our capital model. We talked about 4% to 6% of revenue as our range for CapEx. The tools we're buying are modern tools, and we're refreshing part of the fleet, even with that 5% of revenue as CapEx. We're refreshing the fleet and doing quite well at that. We'll turn all that into areal density, and that's what we're really excited about. I think relative to free cash flow, from an OpEx perspective, we don't see the need to add a bunch of OpEx. We feel our team is doing really well on all the innovation vectors, whether it's a mechanical vector or it's a quantum device vector in the recording fabs or lasers now or whatever. We think that the team is funded well and doing well.
Speaker #4: The tools we're buying are modern tools, and we're refreshing part of the fleet even with that 5% of capex, or 5% of revenue as capex.
Speaker #4: We're refreshing the fleet and doing quite well at that, so we'll turn all that into aerial density, and that's what we're really excited about.
Speaker #4: I think relative to free cash flow, from an opex perspective, we don't see the need to add a bunch of opex. We feel our team is doing really well on all the innovation vectors, whether it's a servomechanical vector or it's a quantum device vector in the recording fabs or lasers now, or whatever.
Speaker #4: I mean, we think that the team is funded well and doing well, and so we think we have visibility to continue aerial density without raising capex too much.
Dave Mosley: We think we have visibility to continue areal density without raising CapEx too much. I think all of that translates into free cash flow that's growing like we talked about.
Dave Mosley: We think we have visibility to continue areal density without raising CapEx too much. I think all of that translates into free cash flow that's growing like we talked about.
Speaker #4: So I think all of that translates into free cash flow that's growing, like we talked about.
Speaker #2: Yeah, I want to say that part. We ended our fiscal '26 with $3.6 billion in debt. That is already a huge reduction from about $5 billion that we had at the beginning of the fiscal year.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah, on the debt part, we ended our fiscal 2026 with $3.6 billion in debt, which is already a huge reduction from about $5 billion that we had at the beginning of the fiscal year. We will reduce debt even more during the quarter. Actually, we have already done a good step in the month of July, we will probably end fiscal Q1 at $2.4 billion in debt. We still have one note that has a fairly high interest rate that I would like to address in the near future, maybe next quarter, maybe the following quarter. We are doing already more share buyback than what we have done in the prior quarter. This quarter we are executing a higher level of share buyback and we will continue in the next several quarters.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah, on the debt part, we ended our fiscal 2026 with $3.6 billion in debt, which is already a huge reduction from about $5 billion that we had at the beginning of the fiscal year. We will reduce debt even more during the quarter. Actually, we have already done a good step in the month of July, we will probably end fiscal Q1 at $2.4 billion in debt. We still have one note that has a fairly high interest rate that I would like to address in the near future, maybe next quarter, maybe the following quarter. We are doing already more share buyback than what we have done in the prior quarter. This quarter we are executing a higher level of share buyback and we will continue in the next several quarters.
Speaker #2: We will reduce debt even more during the quarter. Actually, we have already taken a good step in the month of July, but we will probably end fiscal Q1 at $2.4 billion in debt.
Speaker #2: And we still have one note that has a fairly high interest rate that I would like to address in the near future—maybe next quarter, maybe the following quarter.
Speaker #2: But we are already doing more share buybacks than what we did in the prior quarter. So this quarter, we are executing a higher level of share buybacks.
Speaker #2: And we will continue in the next several quarters.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Yeah, hi. Congratulations, Dave and Gianluca. Just two quick questions. One, when you look at the hard disk drive, the nearline attach rate, is there a way to look at how the attach rate has changed on the GPU ASIC side per rack with the agentic AI or KV cache picking up?
Vijay Rakesh: Yeah. Hi, congratulations, Dave and Gianluca. Just two quick questions. One, when you look at the hard disk drive, the nearline attach rate, is there a way to look at how the attach rate has changed on the GPU A6 side per rack with agentic AI or KV cache picking up? How is that trend looking this year versus last year, let's say, when there was no agentic AI? Gianluca, on the margin side, should we expect margins to get to the 60%+ or if you can give us what the incremental margins are on HAMR 4 versus prior? Is there a way to look at mix of HAMR 4, I guess? Thanks.
Vijay Rakesh: Yeah. Hi, congratulations, Dave and Gianluca. Just two quick questions. One, when you look at the hard disk drive, the nearline attach rate, is there a way to look at how the attach rate has changed on the GPU A6 side per rack with agentic AI or KV cache picking up? How is that trend looking this year versus last year, let's say, when there was no agentic AI? Gianluca, on the margin side, should we expect margins to get to the 60%+ or if you can give us what the incremental margins are on HAMR 4 versus prior? Is there a way to look at mix of HAMR 4, I guess? Thanks.
Speaker #5: And how is that trend looking this year versus last year, let's say, when there was no agentic AI? And Gianluca, on the margin side, should we expect margins to get to the 60% plus range, or can you give us what the incremental margins are on HAMR 4 versus prior?
Speaker #5: Or if there's a way to look at mix of HAMR for, I guess. Thanks.
Speaker #4: So, I'll take the attach rate discussion. I know there are people out there in the world trying to model this, and it's a noble effort, but I think it all comes down to application space.
Dave Mosley: I'll take the attach rate discussion. I know there are people out there in the world trying to model this, and it's a noble effort, but I think it all comes down to application space. There are certain applications where you may need a lot more context, and there are certain applications where maybe you don't need as much. Depending on the application pickup on this agentic AI, we talked about KV cache in the prepared remarks, it could be a lot, it could be a little. I think we're still trying to factor that in. That's some of the stuff that as we get into modeling 2029 and 2030 and beyond, I think we're going to have to work steady with our customers to watch those applications carefully. Pretty excited about it, and that's not the discussion about physical AI either.
Dave Mosley: I'll take the attach rate discussion. I know there are people out there in the world trying to model this, and it's a noble effort, but I think it all comes down to application space. There are certain applications where you may need a lot more context, and there are certain applications where maybe you don't need as much. Depending on the application pickup on this agentic AI, we talked about KV cache in the prepared remarks, it could be a lot, it could be a little. I think we're still trying to factor that in. That's some of the stuff that as we get into modeling 2029 and 2030 and beyond, I think we're going to have to work steady with our customers to watch those applications carefully. Pretty excited about it, and that's not the discussion about physical AI either.
Speaker #4: So, there are certain applications where you may need a lot more context, and there are certain applications where maybe you don't need as much. And so, depending on the application—pick up on this agentic AI—we talked about KV cache in the prepared remarks.
Speaker #4: It could be a lot; it could be a little. I think we're still trying to factor that in, and that's some of the stuff that, as we get into modeling '29 and '30 and beyond, I think we're going to have to work steadily with our customers to watch those applications carefully.
Speaker #4: I'm pretty excited about it. And that's not the discussion about physical AI either. That's just on what I would call more enterprise-type applications.
Dave Mosley: That's just on what I would call more enterprise type applications.
Dave Mosley: That's just on what I would call more enterprise type applications.
Speaker #2: Yeah, I want to say, margin—last quarter, we were at almost 53%. We are guiding higher in September. Our incremental gross margin is well above the 60% that you were indicating.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. On the margin, last quarter we were at almost 53%. We are guiding higher in September. Our incremental gross margin is well above the 60% that you were indicating. I'm not guiding for the future, but the trend is, of course, to have a stronger and stronger gross margin. We will see what we will achieve in the next few quarters. As you know, we are guiding something that is not too far from that number already in September.
Gianluca Romano: Yeah. On the margin, last quarter we were at almost 53%. We are guiding higher in September. Our incremental gross margin is well above the 60% that you were indicating. I'm not guiding for the future, but the trend is, of course, to have a stronger and stronger gross margin. We will see what we will achieve in the next few quarters. As you know, we are guiding something that is not too far from that number already in September.
Speaker #2: So I'm not guiding for the future, but the trend is, of course, to have a stronger and stronger gross margin. And we will see what we will achieve in the next few quarters, but as you know, we are guiding something that is not too far from the number already in September.
Speaker #1: The next question is from Ananda Barua with Loop Capital. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Ananda Baruah with Loop Capital. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Ananda Baruah with Loop Capital. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Yes, thanks, guys, for taking the question.
Ananda Baruah: Yeah, thanks guys for taking the question. Dave, maybe just sort of dovetailing off your comments about application type, is there an easy way or a simple way to think about currently what you guys see as the more prominent applications driving demand right now? Before you get to physical, maybe how you see those meaningful application types manifesting over the next couple of years. Thanks.
Ananda Baruah: Yeah, thanks guys for taking the question. Dave, maybe just sort of dovetailing off your comments about application type, is there an easy way or a simple way to think about currently what you guys see as the more prominent applications driving demand right now? Before you get to physical, maybe how you see those meaningful application types manifesting over the next couple of years. Thanks.
Speaker #3: Dave, maybe just sort of dovetailing off your comments about application type. Is there an easy or simple way to think about, currently, what you guys see as the more prominent applications driving demand right now?
Speaker #3: And before you get to physical, maybe how you see those meaningful application types manifesting over the next couple of years. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Ananda. Yeah, the way I think about it—and I've been around for a long time, we know—so you have to be careful with me.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Ananda. Yeah. The way I think about it, I've been around for a long time, we know, you got to be careful with me, but if you're taking small blocks of text, whether it's forms that somebody filled out or an ERP or something like that, I say small blocks of text jokingly because that could still be terabytes worth of text. I think that's probably not what we're talking about. When you start to have a lot of unstructured data, like video data or multiple sources of unstructured data, sometimes it may be sensor data. It may actually still be text, but it's just necessarily coming in from all kinds of different sources. Those are the applications that I think are going to require a lot more processing power, you don't want to redo that processing power over and over again.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Ananda. Yeah. The way I think about it, I've been around for a long time, we know, you got to be careful with me, but if you're taking small blocks of text, whether it's forms that somebody filled out or an ERP or something like that, I say small blocks of text jokingly because that could still be terabytes worth of text. I think that's probably not what we're talking about. When you start to have a lot of unstructured data, like video data or multiple sources of unstructured data, sometimes it may be sensor data. It may actually still be text, but it's just necessarily coming in from all kinds of different sources. Those are the applications that I think are going to require a lot more processing power, you don't want to redo that processing power over and over again.
Speaker #4: But if you're taking small blocks of text, whether it's forms that somebody filled out or an ERP or something like that, in the past—and I say "small blocks of text" kind of jokingly because that could still be terabytes' worth of text—I think that's probably not what we're talking about.
Speaker #4: But when you start to have a lot of unstructured data, like video data, or multiple sources of unstructured data, sometimes it may be sensor data.
Speaker #4: It may actually still be text, but it's just necessarily coming in from all kinds of different sources. Those are the applications that I think are going to require a lot more processing power.
Speaker #4: And you don't want to redo that processing power over and over again. So this is happening in enterprises; it's not just happening in hyperscalers.
Dave Mosley: this is happening in enterprises. It's not just happening in hyperscalers. It's happening at the extreme edge as well, and I think these trends are very favorable for us before we ever get into something like physical AI.
Dave Mosley: this is happening in enterprises. It's not just happening in hyperscalers. It's happening at the extreme edge as well, and I think these trends are very favorable for us before we ever get into something like physical AI.
Speaker #4: It's happening at the extreme edge as well. And I think these trends are very favorable for us before we ever get into something like physical AI.
Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.
Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.
Speaker #1: This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Gary. And thanks, everyone, for joining us today. Fiscal 2026 was an outstanding year for Seagate, reflecting strong execution by our global team and deep engagement with our customers.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Gary, and thanks everyone for joining us today. Fiscal 2026 was an outstanding year for Seagate, reflecting strong execution by our global team and deep engagement with our customers. As we move into fiscal 2027, we are well-positioned to address the opportunities in front of us. We remain focused on executing our technology roadmap, capturing profitable revenue growth, and delivering long-term value creation for all of our stakeholders. We look forward to updating our progress with you in the quarter ahead.
Dave Mosley: Thanks, Gary, and thanks everyone for joining us today. Fiscal 2026 was an outstanding year for Seagate, reflecting strong execution by our global team and deep engagement with our customers. As we move into fiscal 2027, we are well-positioned to address the opportunities in front of us. We remain focused on executing our technology roadmap, capturing profitable revenue growth, and delivering long-term value creation for all of our stakeholders. We look forward to updating our progress with you in the quarter ahead.
Speaker #4: As we move into fiscal 2027, we are well positioned to address the opportunities in front of us. We remain focused on executing our technology roadmap, capturing profitable revenue growth, and delivering long-term value creation for all of our stakeholders.
Speaker #4: We look forward to updating you on our progress in the quarters ahead.
Operator: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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