Q2 2019 Earnings Call

Good day and welcome to the Pegasystems second quarter 2019 earnings Conference call.

Today's conference is being recorded.

At this time I would like to turn the conference over to Catholics, Kinda Stillwell Chief Financial Officer.

Straight of office or.

As senior Vice President. Please go ahead Sir.

Thank you.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Pegasystems Q2, 2019 earnings call before we begin I'd like to read our safe Harbor statement.

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And with that I will turn the call over to Alan Trefler, founder and CEO of Pegasystems.

Thank you Ken.

At mid year I'm excited with the progress we're making we showed strong growth in HCV and remarkable growth in pega cloud, which was 60% of our new business for the first half.

I'm pleased with how our strategy is playing out as we continued to gain traction in seizing the huge opportunity in front of us.

At the same time, our cloud transition makes it harder to easily understand our progress by looking at revenue, which is why we focus on HCV metrics that more accurately reflect the health of our business Ken will provide more context on this.

Sure No I spent a lot of time with clients and prospects talking about what's working and what's not as they pursue their digital transformation initiatives.

It's clear that the level of hype regarding some technologies is intensifying again, creating confusion and missteps in the industry.

Now over three plus decades in the software industry I have seen how easy it is to get distracted by what's trending.

My focus is always on whats going to work for clients now and in the long run.

You are merging and accelerating market seems we see regardless of geography or industry are representative of what clients want to be successful and demonstrate tangible value.

Start fast well be able to pursue full and broad digital transformation.

We delivered several key technologies that significantly drive digital transformation by leveraging them correctly as part of an end to end strategy.

Okay, let's start with process automation, which it's interesting that many have acquainted with so called or PPA or robotic process automation.

Now our PK can provide value to an organization interested in automating isolated tasks.

But the amount of hype and confusion in this market is staggering.

We believe that RPM needs to be part of a digital process automation approach, which uses robots and the right context.

It's critical to move from thinking robots first just thinking intended automation were eight RPH as part of a coherent digital process automation, where dps strategy.

Not robots being the entire strategy.

Now importantly, we were recently ranked as a leader in GPS digital process automation for deep deployments by Forrester.

And we were one number one or number two rated out of 10 providers in all three of the reports main scoring category.

And we see our clients embracing this message with positive results and we believe the broader industry is beginning to catch on to this as well.

For example, Gartners recent magic quadrant for RPK software.

No.

That quote RPK tools deliver more sustainable solutions.

When combined with an intelligent business process management suite.

We were named a visionary in the 10-Q, which reported the quote pega is in a good position to gain from its long term vision of integrating our peer tightly with its BPM suite and related C or applications.

It's interesting there was a report from just last month, we're Gartner actually said the club.

By 2021 task centric RPK offerings in their current form will be obsolete.

Task automation has been masquerading as process automation the rise of true end to end processing mix RPH capabilities and limitations more visible.

End quote.

So we feel really good that having acquired openspan.

Nearly three years ago, and being able to really pull it in as a core part of the Pega solution is absolutely the right strategy and websites have both a different take on this market, but also a much much more effective one.

It's worth noting that pega is the only unified product in Gartners business process management and robotic process automation magic quadrant.

Interesting that recently one of our clients top automaker requested we replace the Rogan RP a robustly deployed from one of the Standalone robotics companies.

Now, let's look at low code. We're a model driven approach is critical to allowing lots of constituencies to participate in App development.

Now many of the low code tools that exist today are being used to create discontent disconnected.

Non compliant apps that will eventually become a problem for the organization.

Kind of like the RPK predominant and for those of US who have been around before we've seen this movie is what happened to businesses that depended on Lotus notes or power building and then ended up with a real headache.

Without the end to end connections clients was creating disjointed experience for their customers and for their staff.

You have staff bouncing between applications.

Like we used to do all to have in the old days to go from one window to another it's not a way to have sustainable transformation of success.

Now Pega pioneered low code with our model driven development approach, which is at the core of what we deliver.

Allows clients to quickly develop and deliver coherent applications.

So that they can work together they create a sensible insane experience.

Now to better enable the citizen developer this past quarter, we announce the enterprise low coat factory to guide citizen developers and making enterprise compliance applications. It provides tools resources and training to allow anyone to build software, while providing key with the necessary controls to ensure consistency auditability and governance.

And finally, let's look at another technology area with lots of high now many of the solutions on this market in this market, providing only limited results and it's important to remember that AI is one thing is many technologies machine learning natural language processing deep learning pattern recognition.

And it delivers value in many different ways.

For example, our clients use pega.

Howard natural language processing to be able to parse and automatically process emails and turn them into end to end Automations like I mentioned.

But the biggest value as our clients are getting from Eric.

Is that can power one to one customer engagement that we can learn and adjust in real time, they want to make each contact with the customer tailored just to that customer is what they want and need with the ability to adjust as those needs and wants to change.

Through Pega is customer decision hub, our real time AI engine, we're handling millions of interactions everyday from many clients and powering experiences from more than 1.5 billion of their customers tailored to those clients the customers needs across multiple channels channels.

Hi is what helps power our customer relationship management capabilities recently recognized by Gartner named US a leader in their magic quadrant for customer engagement centers.

We think our AI capabilities are world class.

But just like we believe in a multi cloud world we think.

We need to live in a multi AI world as well. So this past quarter, we introduced new connectors that plug into third party engines, including Google and Amazon offerings.

This new capability allows clients to enhance their pega customer experience.

With other leading AI services.

I'm more convinced than ever that our focus on delivering the best solution for customer engagement and for digital process automation is the right approach and we have the vision to drive our clients' success.

No I want to talk a little bit about some of the marketing work we've been doing.

We discussed a lot of what I've just been talking about at Pegaworld. Just this past June we hosted more than 5000 attendees from around the world are coming from more than 650 unique organizations and for more than 50 countries. We had some outstanding client storage Pegaworld Rondi seems to life, including for example, you have them.

Who showed how they use pega, our PPA to create a full case management platform and replace a manual system for issuing policies in just 12 weeks.

From Paypal, who is using pega is low code capabilities to reduce the release cycles by 77%.

Okay respond more quickly to competitive pressures and improve your time to market.

And Sirius XM radio.

We talked about using pega AI to help them move from a product focused marketer to a customer first approach.

I also talked about project Phoenix, our ongoing program to deliver and evolve a massively improved living underlying architecture for the pega.

Infinity platform, we've been discussing technology shifts quickly and our model driven approach allows us tremendous latitude to evolve as technologies change we have evolved our platform multiple times through our history and this is the latest set of advancements it ensures that our clients will have access to innovative technical capabilities, including improved supportive cloud native technologies.

And we've already delivered new capabilities under this program and they are being used successfully by our clients.

One of those is a new what we call digital experience.

That allows seamless interoperability with the clients preferred mobile and web development environments.

To ensure a coherent experience across multiple applications.

This capability was highlighted at Pegaworld by Rabobank, Dutch Bank, who is using pega to improve customer experience across channels.

Our goal is to provide a completely digital experience for customers.

So that they can get the advice and help they need where ever they needed through an ever channel those customers prefer.

This presentation as well as all Pegaworld keynotes, and breakouts are available on Pega Dotcom and if you couldn't join us live.

Coverage you to check them out.

We've also been increasing our investment in a global Roadshow series, we call the customer engagement summits, where we typically register 700 to 1200 customers.

At the most recent Amsterdam event, we had a great mainstage set of presentations.

From our clients at Vodafone Academia and I Angie.

Weve held five in the first half of 2019 and have another six even bigger one scheduled for the second half.

Including our government empowered event in Washington, DC on November six.

We're anticipating terrific line of speakers and we'll be announcing in the coming weeks and if an investor is interested in attending please let us know.

So in summary, I am really excited about the strong progress were making I see it borne out by results, our clients' successes and by our third party validation.

We're in a hot market with the right products and I believe is the right strategy to help our clients succeed.

And though we're pleased with our progress we're aware of how much more opportunity exists and how much more we need to do.

To provide more color on our financial results I will turn it over to Kevin.

Thanks Alan.

We're very much where we wanted to be at this point in the year, we've experienced strong growth in ACB, a solid increase in new license and cloud commitments and the continued shift to cloud arrangements. We continue our transition from a business thats largely sold its software on a perpetual on premise basis to a much larger company that sells the majority of our software on a recurring cloud basis.

CV growth continues to be the most important metric that reflects the successful execution of our strategy.

Total HCV is the sum of recurring pega cloud and client cloud commitments, representing the recurring annual spend by our clients.

For the first half of 2019, we experienced fantastic momentum with license and cloud ACB up 33% and Pega cloud ACB, increasing and amazing 65% from the first half of 2018. During the same period total HCV increased 21% on a constant currency basis, reaching $613 million, an increase of over $100 million from one year ago.

This growth reinforces our confidence in our long term targets.

And it's even more impressive given that we didnt change our sales model until the first quarter of 2018, when we moved from a total contract value or TCV approach to an HCV based one.

Our continued positive momentum in ACB growth reflects solid demand around the world for digital transformation solutions, we continue to see companies engaging and digital transformation to modernize technology. So their customers have a favorable experience and they build efficiencies across their organization peg. It continues to be at the center of this digital transformation, a massive market opportunity growing at an accelerated pace.

So let me take a few minutes to update you on how well we're executing our plan to transform our business to a recurring model.

We continue to move much more aggressively into selling software in the cloud on a recurring basis for the first half of 2019, 60% of our new bookings were pega cloud.

To provide a comparison from just two years ago Pega cloud as a percentage of new client commitments was approximately 20% in the first half of 2017, that's a tremendous shift in just 24 months recall that we had anticipated pega cloud increasing to approximately 50% of our new commitments in 2019, so the acceleration to 60% and so it's a welcomed variance and it's significant.

As a result of solid execution quarter by quarter for the for the last several years recurring revenue increased to 65% of Pegas total revenue for the first half of 2019, you can also see further evidence of our transformation success by looking at remaining performance obligations.

Also called backlog Pega cloud backlog increased by $148 million to 362 million at the end of Q2, a dramatic increase of 69% from one year ago.

Total backlog increased 32% in the same period to $628 million, our robust backlog is another benefit of our cloud transition.

Historically much of our bookings were taken as revenue in the current period, sometimes causing lumpiness in our quarterly results. These days the largest portion of our bookings our cloud most of which goes into backlog, creating a more predictable cash flow stream.

Our ongoing transformation to a recurring business has been deliberate and intentional that's because we have a high confidence that the long term benefits of recurring business model, including a more predictable future revenue and cash flow stream in the future far outweigh the short term optics around reported revenue growth and any impact to cash flow and reported EPS and margin.

We're confident that a greater mix of recurring contracts is the correct long term strategy direction for our business. However in the short term moving away from perpetual sales, replacing replaces large upfront cash and revenue with cash and revenue that will be received and recognized over multiple years, causing a lag between business we win and its revenue. That's the mismatch between revenue and cost you can see the impact to the cloud transition on our reported results reported revenue for the first half 2019 totaled 418 million a 3% decline from the first half of 2018.

While ACB on a constant currency basis, and our BPO backlog saw over 20, and 30% growth respectively. During the same period.

I want to reiterate that we started the year with an expectation that pega cloud commitments would make up about 50% of new bookings versus the 60%. We saw in the first half of the year as a reminder, each 1% shift to pega cloud has the potential to reduce full year revenue by approximately $3.8 million in 2019 as the economic value of new Pega cloud deals is reflected in HCV, but it is largely not reflected in current period revenue. Therefore, if you adjust for the impact of the faster than expected cloud transition revenue would be approximately 20 million higher.

For the first half.

Moving next to revenue components maintenance revenue grew by 5% to $137 million in the first half our consulting revenue was $114 million a year over year decrease of 14% or $19 million from the first half of 2018.

This is consistent with our strategy to encourage an increasing share of implementation effort to our integration partners. Additionally, we had a very large government contract, where we have significantly enabled the client reducing the necessary involvement for pega, which we also consider strategic you can also see the impact of Pega cloud transition in our reported cash flow EPS and margin as we continue to accelerate our growth through investments in sales capacity to pursue the great digital transformation market opportunity. It's also worth noting that our marketing expenses are the largest in Q2 due to the pegaworld event.

And with demand for Pega cloud exceeding even our expectations. We're building out our cloud infrastructure to continue scaling the significant growth engine, which also has a near term impact on cloud margin improvement.

Q3 costs should be largely in line with Q2 without the cost of Pega world, but also reflecting the investments in our customer engagements cemented as Alan mentioned and also increasing go to market investments.

For the second quarter of 2019 reporting both GAAP and non-GAAP results a full reconciliation of all GAAP to non-GAAP measures is provided in the financial tables in the press release issued earlier today and those are also available on the investors section of our website.

So now let's turn to a few other details from our year to date financial results. We finished the period with total cash and marketable securities of over $155 million in the first half of 2019, we returned about $44 million to shareholders comprised of a little more than 4 million in dividends and approximately $40 million and share buybacks.

We finished Q2 2019 with just over 4900 employees worldwide.

In summary, we're very much where we want it to be at this point in the year with an even greater cloud demand than we anticipated with this faster than its expected move to cloud, we're continuing to invest and a little earlier than anticipated to support this growth and while this impacts our near term profitability. It puts us in a much stronger position to drive scale and margin improvement over the longer term as pega cloud becomes a greater part of our business. We're pleased with our mid year execution against our strategy. We're focused on finishing 2019 strong and continuing that momentum into 2020.

And with that operator.

We'll open the call to questions.

Of course, if you'd like to ask a question. Please signal that pressing star one on your telephone keypad, if youre using a speakerphone. Please me three mute function is turned off to light signal to return equipment.

Again press star one to pose a question, we'll pause for just a moment hello, everyone and opportunities for questions.

Well take our first question from Rishi Jaluria from D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate the time, let me start by talking a little bit or rational what about partners. I think one thing that impressed me at Pegaworld was kind of the size of the practice is that a lot of your partners have so wanted to get a sense with as you've had more of his pega cloud business. How is the reception from your partners been you know have the embraced it or is there a worried that with more out of the box that maybe you know they it's a headwind at the size of their pega practices.

Yeah, I don't think there are bigger cloud who's in any way indicative I figure, it's only a positive because it's a lot about us if you could just tell from the size of this card world and number of organizations compared to the past if it's just maybe it's easier for us to penetrate new organizations and that's what they like they like the good foothold into places like the <unk> to build it up and in reality, the sort of messy stuff around software on premise implementations those weren't really done by our partners anyway. Those would typically done by the Companys IP teams. So we haven't really been replaced fab. So you know we're seeing.

Sure you saw that I'm sure you did reference checks with partners, a tremendous amount of excitement or across the board and we're looking to turn that into having them or make even greater investments in building out their practices, which as you know can be several thousand.

Trained and certified Pega for people deep.

Great. Thanks, I don't know if that's helpful and and I think going to 10, maybe a couple of the numbers you know starting out now and now we've got two quarters of this breakout of Pega cloud versus Klein cloud and seems for two quarters in a row now about 10% type growth for decline cloud and then paying quite obviously a lot faster than that is that kind of a a normal way to think about how the growth rates of those two components of HCV are going to be or is that a you know is it not fair to extrapolate from from I guess, a little bit of history out so far that.

So reshape if the mix of bookings that were seeing which is largely 60% pega cloud, 30% op client cloud, 10% kind of perpetual licenses if that mix stayed consistent I do think your euro assumption is more right than wrong, because you would see the pega cloud growth accelerating much faster and you would see the term licenses so to speak component of our bookings you know be something kind of slightly below our overall bookings growth because cloud cloud is a much more dominant piece.

Okay. That's helpful can and then Oh not another one for you wanted to go back to some some comments you made in the prepared remarks.

You know I mean, you talked a little bit about cutting through the noise. I mean, obviously, you've got people out there are competitors out there talking about low code, which you've been doing for a while you have competitors and you know playing up the the RPK capabilities, which as you know a hot space now.

Just what I understand from your perspective, what what can peg could do to help customers kind of cut through that noise and and really get some clarity in terms of you know, which technologies are real and which ones are you know a lot of marketing behind them.

Well I think it's a multi pronged effort.

One thing we need to do is continue to get some of these stories out there.

And continue to publicize some of the things which were quite sure or correct.

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Which we're seeing some receptivity from people who are.

Understanding that you know sometimes as high machine is not all that was cracked up to be a big part of it is continuing to invest and increase our on the ground footprint and make sure that we have more people who are both sellers and supporters of sellers, who can go out and engage with the clients and engage with the partners and get them to be bought in to these these sorts of concepts. So we have a lot that we can do and so we're working hard on doing it. We just came off of a internal several they planning process, which is going to influence the work that we do this quarter as well as into next year and being able to tell that our p. a story in the right context.

I think is really key you know when you talk to customers and you say would you ever use or robot.

When there was an H.T.I. a computer computer application programming interface available they.

Universally say never.

I mean, why would you in effect scraped screens, when you had a more reliable faster and an audit trouble.

Better way to do it so you wouldn't do it so the notion that you're building your systems around these robots.

People actually are starting to understand that that's backward, which is why I was really sort of amazed last month. When you know it's caught on to the point the Gartner.

In its picture showed RPK in its current form.

As crashing down to what they call the trough of disillusionment.

If you do go through what they call the peak of heightened expectations and then the trough of disillusionment and what they call their hyper so.

It was just pretty amazing to see that I would have figured it would have been probably six to 12 months out before people were catching on that this thing is a lot of hype.

On top of some good stuff.

Put a lot of hype.

That's because then I said then last month.

Last one for me I will just hop off can monetize just ask about about cash flow looks like it was a little bit of a of a light quarter in terms of collections right. If we look at the net working capital just anything in particular to call out and how should we be thinking about you know cash flow for the full year. Thanks.

Yes. So we don't we Didnt think it was a light quarter, we fully expected that cash flow billings, let's say it that way billings will you know will take somewhat.

Oh the hit during this big movement to cloud away from perpetual and so we're you know we are in only the second year of that movement. So we fully expect it to your billings to be kind of lighter similar to the way that revenue would actually be reduced as you move away from those larger upfront billings I think in 2020, it's an important inflection point for US 2020 is the time period. When you start to really see ourselves coming out of that movement into cloud and so I think that.

You should expect that cash flow for the full year would be lower in a year that you're making such a big movement to cloud and away from upfront billing so that wasn't a surprise to us.

Great. That's helpful. Thanks, Ken Thanks, Tom.

Thanks fishing Thea.

Once again, if youd like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad now take our next question from Austin Williams of Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question.

This is on for Steve just wondering if you guys are seeing sensing any change in a in spending trends I know there's been a lot of concern over some of the macro backdrop, particularly in Europe .

Just kind of wondering if you're seeing any any softness there or any change.

Yeah look it's hard not to be a little concerned about everything that's going on around the world and Europe is.

A little softer than we'd like but no. There's no concerns of the changing the rate at which we are looking to go to market and to invest as a lot of business wins out there and we have a a bountiful pipeline.

One one comment just to add a little bit of color to that Austin.

Brett Brexit is certainly being talked about more as the date approaches.

We haven't we can't say that we've seen a noticeable shift in buying patterns because of it but certainly Brexit is something that people are watching we do not have a noticeable business in China right and so for us. So some software companies are different and they do have very large so that's that that impact of whats going on doesn't doesn't hit us as much as other soft some others.

Barely touches us so.

Okay. Okay. That's helpful.

And another one for me just are you seeing any kind of any particular strength in certain verticals I'm and I'm also kind of curious just with pega cloud adoption does how does a very.

For industry.

So it's it's pretty much across the board some of our largest bigger cloud customers are some of the world's largest banks do a couple of years ago would not actually contemplating doing something on the cloud and are now becoming a much more enthusiastic. Your also your other industries that you'd think of as being type Puff industries like healthcare.

We're also really good adopters opex costs. So we're seeing across across the board I'm I'm also just very excited with the government.

Has very assertively moved to consider cloud you know, we recently got our fed ramp certification.

Which is a really exciting and very positive accomplishment.

Well I think the government modernization.

It is enormously promising in general, but especially for parents.

And an interesting vertical that you wouldn't expect to adopt cloud.

As it is is the is the public sector and we just hired.

Our Chief Information Security Officer, Carlos went as who we announced started a few weeks ago. He was that he was essentially in a similar role at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and his feedback was that not only is the government encouraging cloud, but they actually are requiring it because they believe that cloud is a more secure environment that a public cloud as a more secure environment then the old traditional lock things in rooms on servers. So I do think that thats not a vertical you would expect to adopt but it's very logical why they are.

Okay. Okay, Great and then just one last one in terms of M&A activity I think we've seen I think two this year so far.

I'll just kind of wondering your approach to the M&A. At this point are you looking to grow the product offering inorganically through tuck ins at all going forward or should we not expect any more of that.

We will continually looking at things, we we have a high bar because two things are very important to us one is that we'll be able to do a really good job of incorporating whatever it is that as acquired into our model driven architecture. That's a very important part of our decision criteria. Because we think the strategy of a lot of our competitors or other companies out there.

Which is they buy all the stuff the unified and their marketing messages and then they stitched together isn't a very good or sustainable way to provide high quality product to customers and the second part is we're very sensitive to firms that have people, who have great cultures, who really want to work with us in that we really want to work with them and those two things make us highly selective.

So up.

M&A is not central to our strategy, but it's something that we look at continuously.

Okay, great. Thanks, guys congrats on the quarter.

Thanks, Thanks see Austin.

Well now take our next question from Pat Walravens from JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi, there just some out on for Pat. Thank you. So much for taking my question. So just wanted to touch on satellite capacity. My opinion Pilbara you mentioned, that's what this yeah I'm not going to increase coverage and the enterprise customers. So just wanted to get a sense of the progress there yeah.

Well I'll have Mike can talk to the numbers to the extent he is willing to and I'll talk to the sort of qualitative matters, we're putting a lot of effort into recruiting talent and that's not just in sales across the company as a whole and I'm finding enormous receptivity in the talent pool to come talk to Pega you can get a sense of this easily an objective we are just going on to link did.

End up seeing the people who are coming to us from the other people you would think of as being you know competitive sphere and I'm very impressed with the level of talent that we're finding extremely interested.

To come to us and we.

As I said have really dialed up that engine.

And intend to continue doing it not just for salespeople, but for the entire go to market support ecosystem that you need to be able to pull that off.

So the only the only piece of.

Maybe qualitative comment that I might add to what Alan said is we have we have very aggressive plans to grow our go to market team and we've talked about the beginning of the year. Then it is a competitive environment and in the in the hiring landscape and so we view the fact that we're able to achieve our hiring plans. It's just a great positive that given how competitive the hiring market is so whereas we're seeing we're seeing great people were getting.

Great additional capacity and so you know we're continuing to move ahead.

Okay. Thank you and just one last one I was wondering if you can provide maybe some at the most common use cases for government that is using pega cloud and hi C adoption there.

Yes, sure so using the government. The government is just a terrific place it's interesting because we've got great examples of where they both use our cloud, but also the use oh.

Client cloud as well, where they're choosing to run it on their own cloud.

Infrastructure for example, in the department of Commerce, or they've got a very large implementation, they're there they're running on client cloud one of the great.

Fed ramp pega cloud environments that we have is in the area of what's called grants management in which you are trying to control. How these organizations distribute money how they figure out who is qualified how they get the right sort of approvals and review processes internally, how they follow up and I would describe that I would describe huge swaths of government as being just enormously rich examples of case management process automation.

Tied to rules and intelligence to try to.

Make things not just control, but what efficient I mean, given how old some of the existing systems are it's a very rich environment in which to be to be hunting and we're continuing to build that team out for is certainly as well.

That's it for me thanks, guys. Thank you.

Thank you.

And it appears so with that.

Uh huh.

Right.

Thanks, I was just jump again, so let me tell folks that were working hard on your behalf that we see enormous opportunities here I'm really excited that we're making lots of good progress and look forward to seeing you all soon and talking to you in three months.

Good day.

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