Q3 2025 Canadian Pacific Kansas City Ltd Earnings Call

Speaker #2: Please stand by. Your program is about to begin. Good afternoon. My name is David, and I'll be your conference operator today.

Operator: Please stand by. Your program is about to begin. Good afternoon, my name is David and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time I'd like to welcome everyone to Canadian Pacific Kansas City Limited's third quarter 2025 conference call. The slides accompanying today's call are available at investor.cpkcr.com. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, simply press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, you can press star and two. I would now like to introduce Chris de Bruyn, Vice President, Capital Markets, to begin the conference call.

Speaker #2: At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to CPK's Third Quarter 2025 conference call. The slides accompanying today's call are available at Investor.

Speaker #2: All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise after the speakers' remarks. There will be a question and answer session.

Speaker #2: If you would like to ask a question , simply press star . Then the number one on your telephone keypad . If you would like to withdraw your question , you can press star and two .

Speaker #2: I would now like to introduce Chris Debruin , Vice President , Capital Markets . To begin the conference call .

Speaker #3: Thank you . David . Good afternoon , everyone , and thank you for joining us today . Before begin , I want to remind you this presentation contains forward looking information and actual results may differ materially .

John Brooks: Thank you, David.

Keith Creel: Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us today. Before we begin, I want to remind you this presentation contains forward-looking information and actual results may differ materially. The risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could influence actual results are described on Slide 2 in the press release and in the MD&A filed with Canadian and U.S. regulators. This presentation also contains non-GAAP measures outlined on Slide 3. With me here today is Keith Creel, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Nadeem Velani, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, John Brooks, our Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer, and Mark Redd, our Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. The formal remarks will be followed by Q&A. In the interest of time, we'd appreciate if you limit your questions to one. It is now my pleasure to introduce our President and CEO, Mr. Keith Creel.

Speaker #3: The risks , uncertainties and other factors that could influence actual results are described on slide two in the press release and in the filed with Canadian and US regulators .

Speaker #3: This presentation also contains non-GAAP measures outlined on slide three . With me here . Today is Keith Creel , our president and Chief Executive Officer .

Speaker #3: Nadeem Velani , our executive vice President and Chief Financial Officer . John Brooks , our executive Vice President and Chief marketing officer . Mark Redd .

Speaker #3: Our executive vice president and chief operating officer . The formal remarks will be followed by Q&A . In the interest of time , we would appreciate if you limit your questions to one .

Speaker #3: It is now my pleasure to turn the to introduce our president and CEO , Mr. Keith Creel .

Speaker #4: Thanks , Chris , and good afternoon , everyone for joining us here on the call to discuss our third quarter results . As I always do , I'm going to start by expressing heartfelt gratitude and respect for the 20,000 strong family of railroaders across these three nations that delivered the results that we get on our sharing with you today .

Keith Creel: All right, thanks Chris, and good afternoon everyone for joining us here on the call to discuss our third quarter results. As I always do, I'm going to start by expressing heartfelt gratitude and respect for the 20,000 strong family of railroaders across these three nations that delivered the results that we are sharing with you today. Speaking of the results, the team delivered strong volume growth in the quarter, 5%. Revenues were up $3.7 billion, up 3%, operating ratio of 60.7 which was a 220 basis points improvement, and earnings per share of $1.10, an increase of 11% versus a year ago. Most importantly, we saw a strong performance from a safety perspective with improvements in both our FRA personal injuries as well as our industry-leading train accident frequencies.

Speaker #4: So speaking of the results, we delivered strong volume growth in the quarter of 5%. Revenues were up $3.7 billion, an increase of 3%.

Speaker #4: Operating ratio of 60.7 , which was a 220 basis points improvement in earnings per share of $1.10 . An increase of 11% versus a year ago .

Speaker #4: Most importantly , we saw strong performance from a safety perspective , with improvements in both our personal injuries as well as our industry leading train accident frequencies .

Speaker #4: Despite what has been consistent macro and trade policy headwinds , the team continues to generate a diverse , profitable growth across a number of areas .

Keith Creel: Despite what has been consistent macro and trade policy headwinds, the team continues to generate diverse profitable growth across a number of areas. We produced a continuing trend of differentiated performance in our automotive franchise with another record quarter, strength in our bulk franchise with strong growth both in grain and potash. Another strong quarter in intermodal growth in domestic and international, which included an important milestone that we've spoken to before in the quarter with the opening of the new Americold facility here at our terminal in Kansas City. This is the first of several facilities that will be co-located on the CPKC and again, it's a perfect example of our ability to be market makers with our unique industry network. Mark and the team delivered a very strong execution on the operating side with results with improvements across a number of our key metrics.

Speaker #4: We produced a continuing trend of differentiated performance in our automotive franchise with another team. Another strong quarter in intermodal growth in domestic and international, which included an important milestone that we've spoken to before in the quarter with the opening of the new Miracle facility here at our terminal in Kansas City.

Speaker #4: This is first a first of several facilities that will be co-located on Cpkc . And again , as a perfect example of our ability to be market makers with our unique industry network marking the team delivered a very strong execution on the operating side with the results with improvements across a number of our key metrics , the network overall is performing well .

Keith Creel: The network overall is performing well. We have a lot of operating momentum heading into the end of the year to close out, and we remain on track and fully expect to deliver on our guidance of 10% to 14% earnings growth versus a year ago. That said, while there's certainly a lot of focus currently on potential industry consolidation, we remain focused on executing this unique growth opportunity that CPKC represents. A couple of comments on UPNS as it pertains to the proposed merger, I think we've been very clear about our views. We strongly believe further consolidation is not necessary at this time and is not in the best interest of the industry, the shippers, or the U.S. economy.

Speaker #4: We have a lot of operating momentum heading into the end of the year to close out, and we remain on track and fully expect to deliver on our guidance of 10% to 14% earnings growth versus the year ago.

Speaker #4: That said , while there's certainly a lot of focus currently on potential industry consolidation , we focused on executing this unique growth opportunity that cpkc represents .

Speaker #4: A couple of comments on UPN's as it pertains to the proposed merger . I think we've been very clear about our views . strongly believe further consolidation is not necessary at this time and is not in the best interest of the industry , the shippers or the U.S.

Speaker #4: economy . As we said before , we remain and will be active participants throughout the regulatory process to ensure that the facts are known and understood about what a merger of this size and scale means .

Keith Creel: As we said before, we remain and will be active participants throughout the regulatory process to ensure that the facts are known and understood about what a merger of this size and scale means. Just for reiterating the obvious, the proposed merger would result in one single line railroad handling about 40% of the freight rail traffic in the United States. This proposed merger, in spite of what's been said, represents overlapping key markets such as Chicago, Memphis, St. Louis, and New Orleans. This is not a simple end-to-end merger. A merger of this magnitude introduces unprecedented risk by heavily concentrating much of decision making for our national rail network with undeniable implications on the entire supply chain. That said, while this is certainly driving a lot of focus, we will remain seized even if this consolidation happens or maintaining our industry leading position to continue delivering industry leading results.

Speaker #4: That Just said , while this is certainly driving a lot of focus , we will remain . Pleased even if this consolidation happens on maintaining a industry leading position to continue delivering industry leading results , a direct threat from a merger to Cpkc is minimal .

Keith Creel: A direct threat from a Transcom merger to CPKC is minimal. This is a proposed east-west merger. Our U.S. network is primarily north-south. By no means does merger impair or change our unique growth prospects that our three country network has created for us for years to come. I'm confident for the merger to meet the regulatory standard it will have to meet, the conditions will have to be meaningful. While much is still to be determined, our story remains unchanged. We have a unique network, undeniably a proven team, and a differentiated growth opportunity in front of us that will continue to set us apart in growth and execution for years to come. We're well positioned to finish the year strong to produce another year of double-digit earnings growth. This network, this team, this opportunity is unique, and we're going to continue to deliver value for all stakeholders.

Speaker #4: This is a proposed east merger . Our network is primarily north south . By no means does merger impair change . Our unique growth prospects that our three country network has created for us for years to come .

Speaker #4: And I'm confident that for the merger to meet the regulatory standard, it will have to meet the conditions; it will have to be meaningful.

Speaker #4: So while much is to be determined , our story remains unchanged . We have a unique network , undeniably a proven team and a differentiated growth opportunity in front of us that will continue to set us apart in growth and execution for years to come .

Speaker #4: We're well positioned to finish the year strong , to produce another year of double digit earnings growth . This network , this team , this opportunity is unique .

Speaker #4: And we're going to continue to deliver value for all stakeholders . So with that said I'm going to hand it over to Marc to speak to the operation .

Keith Creel: With that said, I'm going to hand it over to Mark to speak to the operation. John's going to bring a little color on the markets, and Nadeem the numbers, and then we'll open it up for questions.

Speaker #4: John's going to bring a little color on the markets . And Nadeem the numbers . And then we'll open it up for questions .

Speaker #5: Thanks , Keith . Good afternoon . I'd like to start by thanking our employees for their dedication and hard work . In producing these results .

Mark Redd: Thanks, Keith. Good afternoon. I'd like to start by thanking our employees for their dedication and hard work in producing these results. The strong operating performance is a testament to the team's effort and execution in the third quarter. Looking at the third quarter results, we saw improvements to several key operating metrics. We look at terminal dwell improved by 2%, velocity improved by 1%, train length and train weight improved by 2%. Following the technology cutover that we executed in the second quarter, we are now leveraging the integrated Canadian U.S. operating systems to drive further efficiencies and operating discipline.

Speaker #5: The strong operating performance is a testament to the team's effort and execution in the third quarter. Looking at the third quarter results, we saw improvements to several key operating metrics.

Speaker #5: We look at terminal dwell improved by 2% , velocity improved by 1% , train length , and train weight improved by 2% . Following the technology cutover that we executed in the second quarter , we're now leveraging the integrated Canadian US operating systems to drive further efficiencies and operating discipline .

Speaker #5: In the quarter , we sold CP Legacy Network operated at a record productivity and carbon levels . The legacy KCS network achieved its highest ever throughput levels , we're carrying this momentum into the fourth quarter with solid improvements to the key operating metrics , including velocity , dwell , car , miles per car day and on time departures .

Mark Redd: In the quarter, we saw CP Legacy Network operate at record productivity and car velocity levels while the Legacy KCS network achieved its highest ever throughput levels where it kept tremendous momentum into the fourth quarter with solid improvements to the key operating metrics including velocity, dwell, car miles per car day, and on time to purchase. The strong network performance continues to provide John and his team a product they can sell into our 100 series. Transcontinental intermodal trains in Canada are delivering consistent performance along with low dock dwell at Centurm at Vancouver South Shore. This is also supporting the growth within Gemini. Velocity across the bulk network is mid single digits, driving efficient service for the strong grain harvest in Canada and the U.S. along with the rest of the bulk franchise.

Speaker #5: The strong network performance continues to John and his team a product they can sell into our 100 series transcontinental intermodal trains in Canada are delivering consistent performance , along with low Doc dwell at center and at Vancouver South Shore .

Speaker #5: This is also supporting growth within Gemini Velocity across the bulk network, which is in the mid-single digits, driving efficient service for grain. This is attributed to the strong grain harvest in Canada and the U.S., along with the rest of the bulk franchise.

Speaker #5: As we continue to drive efficiencies across the network , we expect to further improve in our industry , leading PSR service model , delivering efficient growth and strong customer service .

Mark Redd: As we continue to drive efficiencies across the network, we expect to further improve in our industry leading PSR service model, delivering efficient growth and strong customer service. Now turning to safety. While we strive for perfection during the quarter, safety is a continuous journey. Despite a challenging durama that occurred in the quarter, I'm encouraged that we delivered another quarter with year over year improvements in safety. If I look at personal injuries, we landed at 0.95 which is a 3% improvement. Train accident frequency was at 1.15 which is 20% for the quarter. Turning to planning, as we moved into the end of the quarter, our resources are well aligned with our growth outlook. We have now received 91 of the 100 Tier 4 scheduled for delivery this year locomotives.

Speaker #5: Now , turning to safety . While we strive for perfect perfection during the quarter , safety is a continuous journey despite a challenging environment that occurred in the quarter .

Speaker #5: I'm encouraged that we delivered another quarter with year over year improvements in safety . If I look at personal injuries , we landed at 0.95 , which is a 3% improvement train accident frequency was a 1.15 , which is 20% for the quarter .

Speaker #5: Turning to planning , as we moved into the end of the quarter , our resources are well aligned with our growth outlook . We have now received 91 of the 100 tier four scheduled for delivery this year .

Speaker #5: Locomotives . As we deploy these locomotives primarily on a 100 series transcontinental intermodal service , we're delivering about a 30% reduction in service interruptions compared to a year ago .

Mark Redd: As we deploy these locomotives primarily on a 100 series transcontinental intermodal service, we're delivering about a 30% reduction in service interruptions compared to a year ago. As we look into the future, we expect to see an additional 70 plus locomotives in 2026 with further support and industry leading growth outlook. We will also improve the efficiency and reliability of this fleet. In closing, the network is performing well. We are properly resourced to handle the strong grain harvest in Canada and the U.S. Investments in capital, capacity, safety, locomotives are driving strong network performance and we are well positioned to execute strong this quarter.

Speaker #5: As we look into the future , we expect to see an additional 70 locomotives in 2026 with further support in industry leading growth outlook improved .

Speaker #5: We will also improve the efficiency and reliability of reliability of this fleet . In closing , the network is performing well . We .

Speaker #5: We are properly resourced to handle the strong grain harvest in Canada and the U.S. Investments in capital capacity and safety locomotives are driving strong network performance, and we are well positioned to execute strongly this quarter.

Speaker #5: I'll pass it over to John.

[Analyst]: I'll pass it over to John Brooks.

Speaker #6: All right . Thank you , Mark , and good afternoon everyone . I'm pleased with our third quarter performance of this franchise . Is resilient and our team is producing differentiated growth despite a challenging macro economy .

John Brooks: Right, thank you Mark and good afternoon everyone. I'm pleased with our third quarter performance as this franchise is resilient and our team is producing differentiated growth despite a challenging macro economy. We are laser focused on the things we can control. Our operations, as Mark said, are delivering strong service that we can sell into, and we are pricing to the value of our capacity and our service. Now, looking at our third quarter results, this quarter we delivered freight revenue growth of 4% on a 5% increase in RTMs. Both the revenue and RTM are all-time Q3 records, since for RTM was down 1%. Our pricing remains strong as the team continues to deliver renewal pricing above our long-term outlook of 3% to 4%.

Speaker #6: We are laser focused on the things we can control our operations . As Mark said , are delivering strong service that we can sell into .

Speaker #6: And we are pricing to the value of our capacity and our service . Now , looking at our third quarter results this quarter , we delivered freight revenue growth of 4% on 5% increase in Rtms .

Speaker #6: Both revenue and RTM all time Q3 records . Since RTM was down 1% , our pricing remains strong as a team continues to deliver renewal pricing above our long term outlook of 3 to 4% .

Speaker #6: Pricing was offset by mix as we delivered strong growth in bulk and international intermodal , while continuing to leverage our full network and grow our longer length of haul traffic .

John Brooks: Pricing was offset by mix as we delivered strong growth in bulk and international intermodal while continuing to leverage our full network and grow our longer length of haul traffic, all of which contributed to lower $ per RTM. Now, taking a closer look at our third quarter revenue performance, I'll speak to the FX adjusted results. Starting with bulk, grain revenues were up 4% on 6% volume growth. U.S. grain was strong with volumes up 13% over prior year. We continue to see strong growth into Mexico and the U.S. South as our network unlocks new opportunities and we expand our share into these markets. Looking to the end of the year, the U.S. corn and soybean harvest is going strong while our PNW export program is impacted by the tariffs on soybeans.

Speaker #6: All of which contributed to lower cents per RTM . Now , taking a closer look at our third quarter revenue performance , I'll speak to the FX adjusted results starting with bulk grain revenues were up 4% on growth .

Speaker #6: US grain was strong , with volumes up 13% over prior year . We continue to see strong growth in the Mexico and the US South as our network unlocks new opportunities , and we expand our share into these markets .

Speaker #6: Looking to the end of the year , the US corn and soybean harvest is going strong . While our PNW export program is impacted by the tariffs on soybeans , our grain team is working with our customers across Canada , the US and Mexico to identify alternative markets and incremental opportunities to backfill a portion of this market shortfall .

John Brooks: Our grain team is working with our customers across Canada, the U.S., and Mexico to identify alternative markets and incremental opportunities to backfill a portion of this market shortfall. Canadian grain volumes were down 2% driven by lower carryout stocks from the 2024-2025 harvest along with lower demand for canola exports. Our outlook, though, is positive for this new crop and we expect this new crop to be in the range of 78 to 80 million metric tons, ahead of the five-year average, and we expect a strong close to the year for our grain franchise. Potash revenue and volumes were up 15%. The strong performance was driven by positive demand fundamentals and strong network performance that supported efficient potash export cycles. While Campotex is fully committed to the end of the year, compares are more challenging and we expect growth to moderate as we move through Q4.

Speaker #6: Canadian grain volumes were down 2% , driven by lower carryout 6% volume stock from the 20 2425 harvest , along with lower demand for canola exports .

Speaker #6: Our outlook , is positive for this new crop , and we expect this new crop to be in the range of 78 to 80 million metric tonnes , ahead of the five year average , and we expect a strong close to the year for our grain franchise .

Speaker #6: Potash revenues and volumes of 15% . The strong performance was driven by positive demand fundamentals and strong network performance that supported efficient potash export cycles .

Speaker #6: While camphor is fully committed to the end of the year, comparisons are more challenging, and we expect growth to moderate as we move through Q4 and finish out the bulk. We closed our third quarter with coal revenue up 3% on 2% volume growth.

John Brooks: To finish out bulk, we closed our third quarter with coal revenue up 3% and 2% volume growth. Growth in Canadian met coal was driven by improved production at our mines and continued inventory drawdowns. This was partially offset with our U.S. coal franchise driven by a facility outage that happened during the quarter. Now moving on to merchandise energy, chemicals and plastics where revenue and volume were down 2%. The decline was driven by softer base demand, lower crude and lower refined fuel volumes due to customs border challenges going into Mexico. These headwinds were partially offset by new and increased volumes of LPG transportation. With LPG transportation volumes starting to ramp up and refined fuel shipments rebounding in New Mexico, we expect ECP to improve as we exit the year. In forest products, revenues and volumes were down 3% and 1% respectively.

Speaker #6: Growth in Canadian coal was driven by improved production at our mines and continued inventory drawdowns . This was partially offset with our US coal franchise , driven by a facility outage that happened during the .

Speaker #6: Now moving on to merchandise energy , chemicals and plastics . Revenue and volume were down 2% . The decline was driven by a softer base demand , lower crude and lower refined fuel volumes due to customs border challenges going into Mexico .

Speaker #6: These headwinds were partially offset by new wins and increased volumes of lpgs , with LPG volumes starting to ramp up and refined fuel shipments rebounding in the Mexico we expect ECP to improve as we exit the year in forest products .

Speaker #6: Revenues and volumes were down 3% and 1% , respectively . Volumes in this space continue to impacted by macro softness within our base demand .

John Brooks: Volumes in this space continue to be impacted by macro softness within our base demand. However, our team continues to outperform the industry by offsetting some of the broader macro impacts to this business with self-help initiatives and extended length of haul. Metals, minerals and consumer products revenues and volumes were up 2%. The growth was driven by frac sand volumes to the Bakken, new business wins in the aggregate space, and an increase in both U.S. domestic steel shipments and trade between Canada and Mexico. These efforts helped to offset the impact of tariffs on cross-border steel. Now looking ahead, we are encouraged by industrial development projects that are coming online along with further growth opportunities from our land bridge shipments. Moving to the automotive area, as Keith said, revenue was up 2% and 9% volume growth. Both are records.

Speaker #6: However , our team continues to outperform the industry by offsetting some of the broader macro impacts to this business . With self-help initiatives and extended length of haul metals , minerals , and consumer products revenues and volumes were up 2% .

Speaker #6: The growth was driven by frac sand volumes to the Bakken new business wins in the aggregate space and in an increase in both US domestic steel shipments and trade between Canada and Mexico .

Speaker #6: These efforts helped to offset the impact of tariffs on cross-border steel . Now , looking ahead , we are encouraged by industrial development projects that are coming online , along with further growth opportunities from our land bridge shipments .

Speaker #6: Moving to the automotive area, as Keith said, revenue was up 2% on 9% volume growth, both of which are records. I'm pleased with the performance and resiliency of our auto franchise.

John Brooks: I'm pleased with the performance and resiliency of our automotive transportation franchise despite the uncertainty from evolving trade policy. This continues to be an area of unique growth for Canadian Pacific Kansas City Limited driven by our advantaged footprint serving both production plants and auto compounds across North America. Despite some of the recent chip and aluminum supply challenges, we are well on our way to producing another record year. Closing with intermodal, revenue was up 7% on 11% volume growth. We delivered strong growth from our domestic intermodal franchise with volumes up 13%. We continue to have a strong line of sight to domestic intermodal growth from multiple areas, including our business growth with Schneider, new auto parts moves, volumes out of the Americold Cold Storage Warehouse co-located with us in Kansas City, and our service with CSX connecting shippers in Mexico, Texas, and the U.S. Southeast.

Speaker #6: Despite the uncertainty from evolving trade policy , this continues to be an area of unique growth for Cpkc , driven by our advantaged footprint serving both production plants and auto compounds across North America .

Speaker #6: Despite some of the recent chip and aluminum supply challenges, we are well on our way to producing another record year, closing with intermodal revenue up 7% on an 11% volume growth.

Speaker #6: We delivered strong growth from our domestic intermodal franchise with volumes up 13% . We continued continue to have a strong line of sight to domestic intermodal growth from multiple areas , including our business growth with Schneider , New Auto Parts moves volumes out of the Americold cold storage warehouse co-located with us in Kansas City , and our service with CSX connecting shippers in Mexico , Texas and the US southeast .

Speaker #6: Moving to international intermodal volumes were up 10% on continued growth from Gemini through our ports at Vancouver , Saint John and Lazaro . While we definitely have seen pull forward volumes in a muted peak season , we expect our strong service product and diverse port access to continue to drive opportunities for us in international .

John Brooks: Moving to international intermodal, volumes are up 10% on continued growth from Gemini through our ports at Vancouver, Saint John, and Lazaro. While we definitely have seen pull forward volumes in a muted peak season, we expect our strong service product and diverse port access to continue to drive opportunities for us in international. In closing, while we are certainly not immune to the many challenges in the freight environment, we continue to drive differentiated growth with our unique and resilient North American franchise. We are delivering mid single digit volume while pricing to the value of our capacity and our service. Now, looking forward, we continue to be well positioned to outperform the industry and the macro on the strength of this franchise and paired with our unique synergies and self help. With that, I'll pass it to Nadeem.

Speaker #6: In closing , while we are certainly not immune to the many challenges in the freight environment , we continue to drive differentiated growth with our unique and resilient North American franchise .

Speaker #6: We are delivering mid-single-digit volume while pricing to the value of our capacity and our service . Now , looking forward , we continue to be well positioned to outperform the industry and the macro on the strength of this franchise , paired with our unique synergies and self-help .

Speaker #6: With that , I'll pass it to Nadeem .

Speaker #7: All right . Thanks , John , and good afternoon . I'll be referring to our third quarter results on slide 12 . To start , CPCs reported operating ratio was 63.5% and the core adjusted operating ratio came in at 60.7% .

Nadeem Velani: All right, thanks John and good afternoon. I'll be referring to our third quarter results on Slide 12. To start, CPKC's reported operating ratio was 63.5% and the core adjusted operating ratio came in at 60.7%, a 220 basis point improvement over prior year. Diluted earnings per share was $1.01 and core adjusted diluted earnings per share was $1.10, up 11% versus last year. Taking a closer look at our expenses on Slide 13, I'll speak to the year over year variance on an FX adjusted basis. Comp and benefits expense was $619 million or $615 million adjusted for acquisition costs. The year over year decline was driven by lower stock based compensation and efficiency gains from workforce optimization and other productivity actions including improved train weight along with lower deadheading and held away time.

Speaker #7: A 220 basis point improvement over prior year diluted earnings per share was $1.01 , and core adjusted diluted diluted earnings per share was $1.10 , up 11% versus last year .

Speaker #7: Taking a closer look at our expenses on slide 13 , I'll speak to the year over year variances on an FX adjusted basis .

Speaker #7: Comp and benefits expense was $619 million , or 615 million , adjusted for acquisition costs year over year . Decline was driven by lower stock based compensation and efficiency gains from workforce optimization and other productivity actions , including improved training rates along with lower deadheading , and held away time .

Speaker #7: The decline was partially offset by inflation and volume variable increases from higher GTMs to close the year. We expect our average headcount to continue to be slightly lower.

Nadeem Velani: The decline was partially offset by inflation and volume variable increases from higher GTMs to close the year. We expect our average headcount to continue to be slightly lower year over year, driving strong labor productivity gains. Fuel expense was $400 million, down 2% year over year. The decline was driven primarily by the elimination of the Canadian Federal carbon tax on April 1, partially offset by a volume variable increase from higher GTMs. Overall changes in fuel prices were a $0.02 headwind to EPS in the quarter. Materials expense was $114 million, up 15% year over year. The increase continues to be driven by the long term parts agreement that was put in place in the fourth quarter of 2024. Higher materials expense had a favorable offset within PSNO for net savings in the quarter.

Speaker #7: Lower year over year , driving strong labor productivity gains . Fuel expense was 415 million , down 2% year over year . The decline was driven primarily by the elimination of the Canadian federal carbon tax on April 1st , partially offset by a volume variable increase from higher gtms .

Speaker #7: Overall changes in fuel prices were a two-cent headwind to EPS in the quarter. Materials expense was $114 million, up 15% year over year.

Speaker #7: The increase continues to be driven by the long term parts agreement that was put in place in the fourth quarter of 2020 for higher materials expense .

Speaker #7: We had a favorable offset within snow for net savings in the quarter. The increase in materials expense was partially offset by reduced locomotive maintenance spend from improved fleet performance.

Nadeem Velani: The increase to materials expense was partially offset by reduced locomotive maintenance spend from improved fleet performance. Equipment rent expense was $109 million. Increased car hire payments along with inflation impacts from growth in automotive volumes drove the increase. Depreciation and amortization expense was up 6% resulting from a larger asset base. Purchase services and other expense was $565 million or $555 million adjusted for acquisition costs and purchase accounting. The decline was driven by lower casualty costs, savings from the long term parts agreement, as well as other productivity and insourcing initiatives. Overall, we delivered solid financial results despite a $39 million sequential increase in casualty expense with a $0.03 impact on earnings. Looking ahead, Mark and his team have our network running well and the volume outlook is solid.

Speaker #7: Equipment rent expense was 109 million . Increased car hire payments , along with inflation impacts from growth in automotive volumes , drove the increase depreciation and amortization expense was up 6% , resulting from a larger asset base .

Speaker #7: Purchase services and other expense was 565 million , or 555 million . Adjusted for acquisition costs and purchase accounting , the decline was driven by lower casualty costs , savings from the long term parts agreement , as well as other productivity and insourcing initiatives .

Speaker #7: Overall , we delivered solid financial results despite a $39 million sequential increase in casualty expense was a three cent impact on earnings per .

Speaker #7: Looking ahead, Mark and his team have our network running well and the volume outlook is solid, with a strong harvest in both Canada and the U.S.

Nadeem Velani: With strong harvests in both Canada and the U.S., we continue to generate strong labor productivity and maintain line of sight to solid margin improvement in the fourth quarter. Moving below the line on Slide 14, other components of net periodic benefit recovery was $107 million, reflecting the effect of favorable pension plan asset returns in 2024. Net interest expense was $222 million or $216 million excluding the impact of purchase accounting. The year-over-year increase was driven by interest incurred on new debt issued in Q1 and Q2 of this year. Income tax expense was $296 million or $325 million, adjusted for significant items and purchase accounting. We continue to expect CPKC's core adjusted effective tax rate to be approximately 24.5% in Q4 and for the full year.

Speaker #7: We continue to generate strong labor productivity and maintain line of sight to solid margin improvement . In the fourth quarter . Moving below the line on slide 14 , other components of net periodic benefit recovery was 107 million , reflecting the effect of favorable pension plan asset returns in 2024 .

Speaker #7: Net interest expense was 222 million , or 216 million . Excluding the impact of purchase accounting , the year over year increase was driven by interest by interest incurred on new debt issued in Q1 and Q2 of this year .

Speaker #7: Income tax expense was 296 million , or 325 million . Adjusted for significant items and purchase accounting . We continue to expect CP cp-kcs core adjusted effective tax rate to be approximately 24.5% in Q4 , and for the full year .

Speaker #7: Turning to slide 15 and cash flow year to date , cash provided by operating activities increased 6% to 3.8 billion , while year to date cash used in financing financing activities was up 45% , driven primarily by the share repurchase program from a CapEx perspective , we're invested 860 million in the quarter and remain on track to invest approximately 2.9 billion in 2025 .

Nadeem Velani: Turning to Slide 15 and cash flow, year-to-date cash provided by operating activities increased 6% to $3.8 billion, while year-to-date cash used in financing activities was up 45%, driven primarily by the share repurchase program. From a CapEx perspective, we've invested $860 million in the quarter and remain on track to invest approximately $2.9 billion in 2025 in line with the outlook we provided in January, focusing on our share repurchase program. We have continued to take advantage of the volatility in the market to reward shareholders with disciplined and opportunistic returns. We see strong value in our share price at current levels, and as of the end of the third quarter we've repurchased 34 million shares or approximately 91% of the program we announced in March.

Speaker #7: In line with the outlook we provided in January, focusing on our share repurchase program, we have continued to take advantage of the volatility in the market to reward shareholders with disciplined and opportunistic returns.

Speaker #7: We see strong value in our share price at current levels and as and as of the end of the third quarter , we repurchased 34 million shares or approximately 91% of the program .

Speaker #7: We announced in March . As we look towards the end of the year , our network is running well and primed to serve strong harvest in Canada and the US .

Nadeem Velani: As we look towards the end of the year, our network is running well and primed to serve strong harvests in Canada and the U.S. John and his team are delivering mid single digit volume growth and strong pricing in a challenging macroeconomic environment. We're controlling our costs, improving the resiliency of our business, and the power of our North American network. We remain well positioned to meet our guidance and lead the industry with another year of double digit earnings growth. With that, I'll turn it back over to Keith to wrap things up.

Speaker #7: John and his team are delivering mid-single-digit volume growth, and strong pricing is a challenge in a difficult macroeconomic environment. We're controlling our costs, improving the resiliency of our business, and enhancing the power of our North American network.

Speaker #7: We remain well positioned to meet our guidance and lead the industry with another year of double-digit earnings growth. With that, I'll turn it back over to Keith to wrap things up.

Speaker #4: All right . Thank you , gentlemen , why don't we open it up for questions ? Operator .

Keith Creel: All right, thank you, gentlemen. Why don't we open it up for questions, Operator?

Speaker #2: Absolutely . Thank you . If you would like to ask a question , simply press star . Then the number one on your telephone keypad , if you would like to withdraw your question , press star .

Operator: Absolutely. Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone key. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star and two. As previously highlighted, please limit yourself to one question. We'll take our first question from Fadi Chamoun with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #2: And two. As previously highlighted, please limit yourself to one question. We'll take our first question from Fadi Chamoun with BMO Capital Markets.

Speaker #2: Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Speaker #8: Yes . Thank you . Good evening everyone . So a question on M&A topic , if I may . You know , there's been a lot of kind of conversations discussion out there that if this merger ultimately happens , it's going to trigger , you know potentially the end game which effectively ends up being two North American kind of two major North American railroads .

Fadi Chamoun: Yes, thank you. Good evening everyone. A question on the M&A topic if I may. There's been a lot of conversations, discussion out there that if this UP-NS merger ultimately happens, it's going to trigger potentially the end game which effectively ends up being two major North American railroads as I understand it. I was just wondering, Keith, from your perspective, does this have to happen and ultimately does this consist of moving into that scenario in a multiple of one phase or two phases? Also, is there a scenario where one merger happens and ultimately the rest of the industry can continue to operate at the status quo?

Speaker #8: I as I understand it , and I was just wondering if from your perspective , does this have to happen ? And ultimately does this consist of moving into that scenario in a multiple of one phase or two phases or , you know , also , is there a scenario where one merger happened and ultimately the rest of the industry can continue to operate ?

Speaker #8: At the status quo ?

Speaker #4: Yes . Sorry . That's a really good question . And a lot I mean , obviously it's going to depend on the details .

Keith Creel: Yeah, Fadi, that's a really good question. Obviously it's going to depend on the details. We've not yet had the benefit of reading UP and NS's merger application. I would say this. I know there's an echo chamber. I read it, I hear it, I sense it. I know there's a lot of invested investors that perhaps want this to be a layup. This is not a layup. Number one, it's not a foregone conclusion that they get approved. You know, what we do know is the hurdle is going to be high. These are rules that have never been tested. There's a public interest test enhancing competition, a review of downstream impacts, which to your point, includes the likelihood or potential of additional rail consolidation. Those standards have to be met. This STB is thorough. I'm certain of that.

Speaker #4: We've not yet had the benefit of reading NS merger application . I would say this . I know there's an echo chamber . I'll read it , I hear it , I sense it , I know there's a lot of invested investors that perhaps want this to be a layup .

Speaker #4: This is not a layup . Number one . It's not a foregone conclusion that to get approved , you know , what we do know is the hurdle is going to be high .

Speaker #4: These are rules that have never been tested . There's a public interest test enhancing competition a review of downstream impacts , which to your point , includes the likelihood or potential of additional rail consolidation that those have to be met .

Speaker #4: And this STB is thorough . I'm certain of that . I can say that more so than anybody else in this industry , because I've walked this walk and experienced this journey in getting our deal approved , which was under the old rules , with the hurdle rate .

Keith Creel: I can say that more so than anybody else in this industry because I've walked this walk and experienced this journey in getting our deal approved, which was under the old rules with the hurdle rate not even remotely close to being the same standard. I think to assume or to expect is reckless. That being said, if it gets approved, that's a big if. If it does, then to your point, depending on what the conditions are, would answer the question. I would make a case to serve and to meet and exceed all those tests that how could it be approved without significant conditions to protect balance in the industry, to protect competition, to enhance competition given the market power that that size railroad would exert. I would agree, Mr. Velani, and I definitely agree this STB is smart.

Speaker #4: Not even remotely close to being the same standard . So again , I think to assume or to expect is reckless . That being said , if it gets approved .

Speaker #4: That's a big if . But if it does , your point , depending on what the conditions are , would answer the question .

Speaker #4: I would make a case to serve and to meet and exceed all those tests that how could it be approved without significant conditions to protect balance in the industry , to protect competition , to enhance competition ?

Speaker #4: Given the market power that that size railroad would exert . So I would agree , Mr. Vin , and I definitely agree this STB is smart .

Speaker #4: Maybe what we don't see eye to eye on is maybe not being recognized. This SDL, this STB, has experienced the applicant's behavior historically in previous mergers from 30 years ago.

Keith Creel: Maybe what we don't see eye to eye on is or maybe not being recognized. This STB has experienced the applicants' behavior historically. Previous mergers from 30 years ago, the integration risk that occurred, and most recently the service failures that occurred in the U.S. rail industry just four years ago. The applicants were before the STB at a service hearing expressing concerns. The applicants have been STB relative to the allegations of serious concern on utilizing embargoes to regulate their network so that memory cannot be ignored. I don't believe that this regulator would set those memories aside in the weight of how they review not only the application, but ultimately determine what their conditions might be to protect the overall strength and health of the U.S. rail network. Ultimately that's what their mandate is. It's to protect the U.S.

Speaker #4: The integration risk that occurred and most recently the service failures that occurred in the United States rail industry just four years ago . The applicants were before the STB and a service hearing expressing concerns .

Speaker #4: The applicants have been be relative to the allegations of serious concern on utilizing embargoes to regulate networks . So , you know , that may be ignored .

Speaker #4: And I don't believe that this regulator would set those memories aside in the weight of how they review not only the application , but ultimately determine what their conditions might be to protect the overall strength and health of the US rail network , because ultimately , that's what their mandate is .

Speaker #4: It's to protect the US rail network , to make sure that their decisions protect the public interest and ultimately lead to . If we have consolidation and environment that exists .

Keith Creel: rail network, to make sure that their decisions protect the public interest and ultimately lead to, if we have consolidation, an environment that exists. If the UP and NS are standalone, the others that have to compete have a fair shot of doing that. It is not competition. Let me be clear, it is not competition that anyone is scared of. I think that's a very assumptive statement to make. It's anti-competitive that we recognize and that we're concerned about. It will be our mandate and our objective to make sure that if that merger is approved, conditions allow anti-competitive behavior to be minimized or eliminated. Yes, you know, with the right conditions, Patty, that's a potential outcome.

Speaker #4: So if the UPNs are standalone, the others that have to compete have a fair shot of doing that, and it's not competition. Let me be clear.

Speaker #4: It is not competition that anyone is scared of . I think that's a very assumptive statement to make . It's not competitive that we recognize and concerned about , and it will be our mandate and our objective to make sure that if that merger is approved , conditions allow anti-competitive behavior to be minimized or eliminated .

Speaker #4: So , yes , you know , with the right conditions , fatty , that's a potential outcome . But again , there's so much more to be determined out of this process .

Keith Creel: Again, there's so much more to be determined out of this process. There are a lot of stakeholders that are going to weigh in. There are going to be people that speak loudly and speak boldly and there are going to be customers, quite frankly, that perhaps they don't want to voice their strong heartfelt feelings for fear, intimidation, or fear of retaliation. I'm sure that if they're not said publicly, they'll be said privately. All those facts and conditions and stakeholders' views I believe the STB will take seriously and I believe their decision, if approved, will contain significant conditions or if they don't meet the standard I believe they have the mandate, they have the commitment to get this right. History needs it to be right. Our nation needs it to be right. If they don't meet the conditions and the standards, I believe they'll reject it.

Speaker #4: There's a lot of stakeholders that are going to weigh in . There's going to be people that speak loudly and speak boldly , and they're going to be customers .

Speaker #4: Quite frankly , that perhaps they don't want to voice their their strong , heartfelt feelings for fear of intimidation or fear of retaliation .

Speaker #4: But I'm sure that if they're not said publicly , they'll be said privately . And all those facts and conditions and stakeholders views .

Speaker #4: I believe this study seriously . And I believe their decision . If approved , will contain significant conditions or if they don't meet the standard .

Speaker #4: I believe they they have the mandate , they have the commitment to get this right . History needs it to be right . Our nation needs it to be right .

Speaker #4: And if they don't meet the conditions of the standards, I believe they'll reject it.

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Chris Wetherbee with Wells Fargo . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Chris Wetherbee with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #9: Hey , hey , thanks . Good afternoon and appreciate the comments , Keith . I guess maybe just piggybacking on that as you think about the sort of landscape for now , and we don't have the application yet and we don't know ultimately how the STB is going to respond to that .

[Analyst]: Hey, thanks, good afternoon and appreciate the comments, Keith. I guess maybe just piggybacking on that, as you think about the sort of landscape for now and we don't have the application yet, we don't know ultimately how the STB is going to respond to that. What's the strategy that you can employ? Are there opportunities for you in the relative near term to leverage other relationships in the space? How do you think about the landscape right now, at least over the next several quarters?

Speaker #9: What's the strategy that you can employ ? Are there opportunities for you in the relative near term ? You know , to leverage other relationships in the space ?

Speaker #9: How do you think about the landscape right now, at least over the next several quarters?

Speaker #4: Yeah , I would say the answer is absolutely yes . And , you know , we said when this all started , we're not going to sit on our .

Keith Creel: Yeah, the answer is absolutely yes. We said when this all started we're not going to sit on our laurels. We've been very engaged with the non-applicants to look at creating alliances and to leverage, as the regulations require us to, to exhaust all avenues to achieve merger-like benefits without the risk that a merger represents. Yes, there's opportunities that we're exploring with the western competitor to UP. There's opportunities that we're exploring with the eastern competitor to the NS, and we're starting to connect the dots to create markets. I'll tell you a strategic piece of our railroad that's becoming even more so critically important is that Meridian Speedway. You know that Meridian Speedway, what was when we took over the railroad is no longer the same. It has been enhanced with the connection at Meridian with the CSX via Myrtlewood, Alabama, through Montgomery to Atlanta.

Speaker #4: You know, we've been very engaged with the non-affiliates to look at creating alliances and to leverage, as the regulations require us to, to exhaust all avenues to achieve merger-like benefits out of the risk that a merger represents.

Speaker #4: So , yes , there's opportunities that we're exploring with the Western competitor up . There's opportunities that we're exploring with the eastern competitor to the NSA , and we're starting to connect the dots to to create markets .

Speaker #4: And I'll tell you , the strategic , strategic piece of our railroad that's becoming even more so . Critically important is that Meridian Speedway , you know , that Meridian Speedway , that what was when we took over the railroad is no longer the same .

Speaker #4: It has been enhanced with the connection at Meridian with CSX via Myrtlewood , Alabama , through Montgomery to Atlanta . It unlocks a second mainline alternative that gives us unique industry advantage to create markets in bridge traffic between Dallas markets and between southeast U.S.

Keith Creel: It unlocks a second mainline alternative that gives us unique industry advantage to create markets and bridge traffic between Dallas markets and between Southeast U.S. markets. I'm not talking about just intermodal, I'm talking more importantly the industrial heartland. You think about the industrial development that's being driven to realize President Trump's ambitions, the additional infrastructure that's being put in place for these AI data centers and power centers along that corridor between those southern states, and our network runs straight across it. That transaction that we made, which was a niche acquisition, over the last two years we've been investing heavily in it. I had the opportunity just last month to take an inspection trip with the CSX team that started in Montgomery, Alabama, went through Myrtle, over to Meridian, into Shreveport.

Speaker #4: markets . And I'm not talking about just intermodal . I'm talking more importantly , the industrial heartland . You think about the industrial development that's being driven to realize , President Trump's ambitions , the additional infrastructure that's being put in place for these AI data centers and power centers along that corridor between those southern states and our network , runs straight across it .

Speaker #4: That transaction that we made , which was a niche acquisition over the last two years , we've been investing heavily in it . I had the opportunity just last month to take an inspection trip with CSX team that started in Montgomery , Alabama , went through Myrtle over to Meridian and to Shreveport .

Speaker #4: So what was a little short line railroad by , I would say January , February of 2026 is going to be a class four railroad that allows us to create a transit time and a product never before possible .

Keith Creel: What was a little short line railroad by, I would say, January or February of 2026 is going to be a Class 4 railroad that allows us to create a transit time and a product never before possible that's going to connect Atlanta to Dallas in about 30 hours. You think about, and people have always thought about, the Speedway as being an intermodal product. Yes, it is, and yes, we're going to protect our commitments to our partners in that joint venture in what is now NS and perhaps in the future might be UP. At the same time, it's still the railroad that we dispatch. It has tremendous opportunity. It's not exclusive to freight traffic. To create a product that allows us to connect the industrial heartland between Atlanta and Dallas is a pretty powerful model. The 30 hours is truck-like competitive, single truck-like competitive.

Speaker #4: That's connect to Dallas in about 30 hours . You think about and people have always thought about the speedway as being an product .

Speaker #4: Yes it is . And yes , we're going to protect our commitment to our partners in that , in that joint venture in what is now in S and perhaps in the future might be up , but at the same time , it's still the railroad that we dispatched .

Speaker #4: It has tremendous opportunity . It's not exclusive to . Freight traffic , traffic . So to create a product that allows us to connect the industrial heartland in between Atlanta and Dallas is a pretty model .

Speaker #4: And 30 hours is struck like competitive single truck like competitive . I think it's unique creator . That can't be replicated and UPN's combination that's going to allow us to win market share , working with our partners in the West and our partners in the East .

Keith Creel: I think it's a unique differentiator that can't be replicated in UP and NS combination that's going to allow us to win market share working with our partners in the west and our partners in the east. I can tell you they're motivated to work.

Speaker #4: And I can tell you they're motivated to work .

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Brian Ossenbeck with JPMorgan . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Brian Ossenbeck with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #10: Hey . Good afternoon . Thanks for taking the questions . Maybe just to stick on that topic , can you give us a little bit of perspective in terms of the headlines we've been seeing around the Meridian Speedway and some of the the service disagreements ?

[Analyst]: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just to stick on that topic, Keith, can you give us a little bit of perspective in terms of the headlines we've been seeing around the Meridian Speedway and some of the service disagreements? I don't know if we're going to see anything settled until the government reopens, but would appreciate your perspective there and then, you know, just what's the possibility to put through the big B side of things when you get that, that track speed up? Is it 2026 when things start to unlock at the beginning of the year, is that going to be more of a ratable gain as we look into next year?

Speaker #10: I don't know if we're going to see anything settled until the government reopens , but I would appreciate your perspective there . And then , you just what's the possibility to put through the big B side of things when you get that that track speed up ?

Speaker #10: Is it 2026 when things start to unlock at the beginning of the year ? Is that going to be more of a ratable gain as we look into next year ?

Speaker #10: Thank you .

Operator: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Well , the service product , the actual infrastructure will be done January .

Keith Creel: The service product, the actual infrastructure will be done January.

Speaker #5: January . Yeah , we'll .

Speaker #4: Have to be out there . It's going to be a 49 mile an hour railroad . You're talking about 100 miles transit time from Montgomery to Meridian combined is going to be three and a half an hour and a half , five hours .

Nadeem Velani: January. Yeah.

Keith Creel: What happened, track speed to be out there, it's going to be a 49 mile an hour railroad. You're talking about 100 miles transit time from Montgomery to Meridian combined is going to be three and a half, an hour and a half, five hours. You put that with a six hour run to Atlanta on the CSX, you got an 11 hour product to Meridian. I think right now what the NS does is 12 hours and there's room to improve that. It just depends on the density that we put over it for the additional capital investment if we want to unlock some additional speed. That's not full potential, that's just the ripeness. We think we're the market, the sweet spot. Now, the dispute itself between Sales and NS, and that's the dispute, is because we have a commercial agreement with NS.

Speaker #4: So you put that with a six hour run to Atlanta on the CSX . You got 11 hour product to Meridian . And I think right now with the NS does is 12 hours and there's room to improve that .

Speaker #4: It depends on the density that we put over it for the additional capital investment . If we want to unlock some additional speed .

Speaker #4: So that's not full potential . That's just the right , we think , for the market of the sweet spot . Now , the disputed between ourselves and NS .

Speaker #4: And that's the dispute is because we have a commercial agreement with NS to me is quite frankly , a self serving narrative that has no merit .

Keith Creel: To me, it is quite frankly a self-serving narrative that has no merit. We have prepared our response. We'll give it to the STB as soon as they open up and it will lay out the real details. What this is, is a story of two partners that don't like our decision to run the railway the way it was designed. This railway goes back to 2006 when the NS invested with CSX to create the speedway. There was financial consideration given. There was infrastructure built for 8,500 foot trains. Our predecessors at the KCS allowed the NS to run long trains. Frankly, the way I see it as an operating officer was to the demise of our customers. That's what we stopped and that's what NS and UP does not like. There are provisions within that agreement. NS knows what they are, we know what they are.

Speaker #4: We have prepared our response . We'll give it to the STB as soon as they open up , and it will it will lay out the real details .

Speaker #4: What this is , is the story of of two partners that don't like our decision to run the railway the way it was designed .

Speaker #4: This railway goes back to 2006 , when the NS invested with Aces to create the speedway . There was financial consideration given there was infrastructure built for 8500 foot trains .

Speaker #4: Our predecessors at the KCS allowed the NS to run long trains . Frankly , the way I see is an operating officer was to the demise of our customers .

Speaker #4: That's what we stopped and that's what NS and Up does not like . There are provisions within that agreement and S knows what they are .

Speaker #4: We know what they are. If they want to invest money to run longer trains, then they need to come to the table and invest the money. The business today doesn't justify it.

Keith Creel: If they want to invest monies to run longer trains, then they need to come to the table and invest the money. The business today doesn't justify it. I'm not going to subsidize NS's operation, nor am I going to subsidize UP's operation for their operational synergies at the cost of my service to my customers. I have a responsibility to protect my customers as well. That's kind of what it boils down to. It's built to run 8,500 foot trains. That's what we're going to do. Now, what we have done out of respect for Mark George and his team for a temporary time period until we can get additional crews, which we've hired, entering training. Right now there's going to be an additional train start that comes on middle of November.

Speaker #4: And I'm not going to subsidize NS operation , nor am I going to subsidize UPS operation for their operational synergies at the cost of my service to my customers .

Speaker #4: I have a responsibility to protect my customers as well. And that's kind of what it boils down to. It's built around 8,500 trains.

Speaker #4: That's what we're going to do now . What we have done at a respect for Mark George and his team for a temporary time period until we can get an additional crews , which we've hired and are in training right now , there's going to be additional train start that comes on middle of November .

Speaker #4: In the meantime , NS has worked out a temporary agreement with us to pay us for the additional delays that are occurring , allowing one long eastbound run until that second train start is added the middle of November .

Keith Creel: In the meantime, NS has worked out a temporary agreement with us to pay us for the additional delays that were occurring, allowing one long eastbound run until that second train start is added the middle of November. We're going to revert right back to an 8,500 foot railroad. I'll tell you, the proof's in the pudding. When you try to oversubscribe a network and run long trains and the network's not built for it, something is going to suffer. It's the communities and the crossings you block, whether it's the yards where you're holding the trains out, which some of the applicants have some history in that, or it's our trains that have to take a siding for someone else's train. At our demise, we ran the railroad for seven, eight weeks at 8,500 feet.

Speaker #4: And then we're going to revert right back to an 8500 foot railroad . And I'll tell you , this is kind of the proof's in the pudding .

Speaker #4: When you try to oversubscribe a network and run long trains and the network's not built for it , somebody is going to suffer .

Speaker #4: The communities and the crossings , whether it's the yards where you're holding the trains out , which some of the applicants have some history in that , or it's our trains that have to take a siding for someone else's train at our demise , we ran the railroad for seven , eight weeks at 8500ft over the last two months before we allowed this exception to occur , we measured the delay .

Keith Creel: Over the last two months before we allowed this exception to occur, we measured the delay. Our trains are taking over 11 hour delay a day to accommodate a long east train. It doesn't make any sense. It's not the right operating decision. It's not the right commercial decision. It's not the right bottom line decision. We're being fair and reasonable. It's no more than that.

Speaker #4: Our trains were taking over 11 hours delay a day to accommodate as long East train . It doesn't make any sense . It's not the right operating decision .

Speaker #4: It's not the right commercial decision . It's not the right bottom line decision . We're being fair and reasonable . Is something that .

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Jonathan Chappell with Evercore ISI . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Jonathan Chappell with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #11: Thank you . Good afternoon . Keith , I'm gonna let you take a little break here . Nadeem . And John , we've seen the quarter to date .

[Analyst]: Thank you. Good afternoon, Keith. I'm going to let you take a little break here. Nadeem and John, we've seen the quarter-to-date volumes trending, you know, not at mid single digits. I think there is an anticipation just given the way that October has been that, you know, getting to that mid single digit full year, that double digit earnings growth full year may be a bit challenging and really frankly off the table. It's a bit surprising that you've kept it. Can you kind of just help us forge the path over the next eight to nine weeks on how you get that volume up to the mid single digits, how you get that sub 57, or just what do you have line of sight on that's clear to you that that's still attainable, with eight weeks to go?

Speaker #11: Volumes trending . You know , not at mid-single digits . So I think there's an anticipation just given the October has been , that , you know , getting to that mid-single digit full year , that double digit earnings growth , full year may be a bit challenging .

Speaker #11: And really , frankly , off the table . So it's a bit surprising that you've kept it . Can you kind of just help us forge the path over the next 8 to 9 weeks on how you get that volume up to the mid-single digits , how you get that sub 57 or , you know , just what do you have ?

Speaker #11: Line of sight on that's clear to you that that's still attainable . With just eight weeks to go ?

Speaker #7: Yeah . No . Good question . I'd say that if you look at at our year over year , certainly tough compares as we speak .

Nadeem Velani: Yeah, no, good question. I'd say that if you look at our year over year, certainly tough compares as we speak. That's known to us, so not really any surprises on that front. We also have some very easy compares. In November, you think about some of the labor disruptions a year ago that impacted our business through some of our customers as well. When we look at the opportunity in November and December, we think that we have the ability to deliver the mid single digit RTMs and that will be, I think we have strong visibility now. There's a chip shortage issue on the auto side that's come up and we're mindful of that. We think on the bulk side there's enough offsets to be able to support our top line view and our guidance from that perspective.

Speaker #7: So that's known to us . So not really any surprises on that front . But we also have some very easy compares in November .

Speaker #7: You think about some of the , the the labor disruptions a year ago that that impacted our business through some of our customers as well .

Speaker #7: And so when we look at . The opportunity in November and December , we think that we have the ability to continue to to deliver the mid-single digit rtms .

Speaker #7: And that will be I think we have strong visibility now . There's a chip shortage issue on the auto side that that we're that's come up and we're we're mindful of that .

Speaker #7: But we think on the on the bulk side , there's enough offsets to be able to to support our top line view and our guidance from from that perspective , from a cost point of view , from an operating leverage point of view , I think we're going to see benefits similar to what we saw Q4 a year ago .

Nadeem Velani: From a cost point of view, from an operating leverage point of view, I think we're going to see benefits similar to what we saw Q4 a year ago or the previous year to that. We've had some very strong finishes to the year and we have good visibility to the ability to get a sub 57 type of operating ratio or that level plus or minus depending on what mark to market the stock price is as well. We are very confident we'll be able to achieve at least 10% EPS growth for the year. We're not backing off of that with eight or nine weeks here left to go.

Speaker #7: For the previous year to that , you know , we've had some very strong finishes to the year , and we have good visibility to the ability to to get a sub 57 type of operating ratio or that level plus or minus , depending on what mark to market .

Speaker #7: The stock price is as well . But we are very confident we'll be able to to achieve at least 10% EPs growth for the year .

Speaker #7: So we're not backing off of that with 8 or 9 weeks here left to go .

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Steve Hansen with Raymond James . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Steve Hansen with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #12: Yeah . Thanks for the guys . I just wanted to dovetail back on the grain opportunity . I recognize you've described it as being a sizable harvest , but do you feel like the customers have given you a sense for whether there's upside , opportunity or how that's going to track in terms of timing ?

[Analyst]: Yeah, thanks for the time guys. Quick one. I just wanted to dovetail back on the grain opportunity. I recognize you've described it as being a sizable harvest, but do you feel like the customers have given you a sense for whether there's upside opportunity or how that's going to track in terms of timing? Just mindful of some of the REIT issues still out there and pricing on the farm and whether or not farmers can be eager to move it through the fourth quarter or going to be deferring into the first half. Thanks.

Speaker #12: Just mindful of some of the issues still out there and pricing on the farm and whether or not farmers are going to be eager to move it through the fourth quarter or to be deferring into next .

Speaker #6: Yeah . Thanks , Steve . It's John . Yeah , certainly it's something we're watching closely . There's there's no doubt it feels like the grain companies are having to sort of pull the , grain into the elevator a little bit .

John Brooks: Yes, thanks, Steve. It's John. Yes, certainly it's something we're watching closely. There's no doubt. It feels like the grain companies are having to sort of pull the grain into the elevator a little bit, you know, versus maybe that typical push we'll see at harvest. Right now I'm pleased with our cycles, I'm pleased with the number of sets we have in play in Canada. Honestly, we've been able to, whatever softness we've maybe felt in the north, we've been able to fill with good opportunities on our southern franchise. It's going to be teamwork between the two franchises, Canada and the U.S., and we're going to need sort of all the markets at play. Our expectation is as we described. We're going to run it hard right to the end.

Speaker #6: You know , versus maybe that , that typical push we'll see at harvest . You know , right now I'm pleased with our cycles .

Speaker #6: I'm pleased with the number of sets we have in play in Canada . And , you know , honestly , we've been able to .

Speaker #6: Whatever softness we've maybe felt in the North , we've been able to backfill with good opportunities on our southern franchise . So it's it's going to be teamwork between

Speaker #6: the two franchises . Canada and and the first half the US . And we're going to need sort of all the markets at play .

Speaker #6: But our expectation is as as we described , we're going to run it hard right right to the end .

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Scott Group , Wolfe Research . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #8: Hey , thanks . So , Nadeem , since part GM have been down a bit the last couple quarters , can you just talk about underlying pricing trends ?

Fadi Chamoun: Hey, thanks. Nadeem, since part GM have been down a bit the last couple quarters, can you just talk about underlying pricing trends and when you think this metric turns positive? Keith, just bigger picture, when I think back to the analyst day, you guys talked about a mid teens earnings algorithm and it's been closer to 10%. That's still really good on a relative basis, but not like at the absolute level you talked about. Do you still think mid teens is the right algorithm? What do we need to unlock it? Is it just macro? Is it more price, cost? I don't know. What do you think? We need to sort of get back to that mid teens growth.

Speaker #8: And when you think this metric turns positive and then maybe Keith , just bigger picture . You know , when I think back to the Analyst Day , you guys talked about a mid-teens earnings algorithm .

Speaker #8: And it's been closer to ten . Still really good on a relative basis . But not like at the absolute level . You talked about .

Speaker #8: Do you still think mid-teens is the right algorithm ? What do we need to unlock it ? Is it just macro or is it more price cost ?

Speaker #8: I don't know what what do you what do you think we need to to sort of get back to that mid-teens growth .

Speaker #7: All right . Thanks , Scott . So just a reminder that that federal carbon tax that was removed in in April that did impact cents per RTM .

Nadeem Velani: All right, thanks Scott. Just a reminder that federal carbon tax that was removed in April did impact cents per RTM, but the thing is it also does flow through, so it does come out of our expenses. That has been a big headwind on cents per RTM the last few quarters. All that to say in Q4 we should see positive cents per RTM. We should see it in positive right now as we speak. That will be supportive. I'd say that you'll see all low single digits, but it will be positive as we speak. We've also had some mix impacts that have impacted that, you know, autos. For example, the length of haul has been up significantly and the mix of business, but we should see that turn. Pricing has been strong.

Speaker #7: But the thing is it also to flow through . So it does come out of our expenses . So that's that's been a big headwind on sense for our team the last few quarters .

Speaker #7: But all that to say, in Q4, we should see positive cents per RTM. So we should see it inflect positive right now as we speak.

Speaker #7: So that'll be supportive . I'd say that , you know , you'll see small low single digits , but it will be positive as we speak .

Speaker #7: We've also had some mix impacts that have impacted that . You know , autos for example , the length of haul is being up significantly .

Speaker #7: And the mix of business . But but we should see that turn pricing has been strong . John and his team have done an exceptional job of being able to keep that above inflation .

Nadeem Velani: John and his team have done an exceptional job of being able to keep that above inflation and closer to 4% on a same store basis. I'd say that will continue as we foresee into 2026. To your point, on double digit versus kind of mid teens, the macro has been challenging. There's been some also hurt us. Crude this quarter was a significant or casualty with a crude derailment was a significant headwind which we didn't foresee. If we didn't have that, we had a more normal casualty expense in the quarter, we would have been sub 60 for the quarter. That is on us. We put it on the ground and we have to take those costs. I would imagine and I expect going forward we'll have a more normal casualty. Our safety numbers have been strong, but the cost of incidents have been high.

Speaker #7: And closer to 4% on a same store basis . So I'd say that that will continue as we foresee , into 2026 , to your point , on on double digit versus kind of mid-teens , the macro has been challenging .

Speaker #7: There's been , you know , some also hurt us crude . This quarter was a significant casualty with a crude derailment was a significant headwind which we didn't foresee .

Speaker #7: You know , if we didn't have that , if we had a more normal casualty expense in the quarter , we would have been sub60 for the quarter .

Speaker #7: Now that's on us . We we we put it on the ground and we , we have to take those , those costs .

Speaker #7: But but I would imagine and I expect going forward we'll have a more normal casualty . Our safety numbers have been strong , but the cost of incidents have been high .

Speaker #7: So that will be supportive as far as the mid-teens , we'll start seeing benefits of share repurchase starting next year . We announced the program in Q1 kind of mid late Q1 of 2020 .

Nadeem Velani: That will be supportive. As far as the mid teens, we'll start seeing benefits of share repurchase starting next year. We announced the program in Q1, kind of mid to late Q1 of 2024. In 2026 we'll start seeing year over year benefits from the lower share count and that was part of the algorithm of getting double digit closer to mid teens type of growth. We've delivered quite well on the volume front, but I think we could do more with a better macro environment. We're still waiting for that turn, but as that inflects and we start seeing a more supportive economy, we start seeing some of this tariff noise get behind us and more certainty for our customers. We start seeing the benefits of strong bulk volumes, especially with this very strong Canadian grain crop.

Speaker #7: Of this year . So 2026 will start seeing year over year benefits from the the lower share count . And that was part of the algorithm of getting double digit closer to to mid-teens type of growth .

Speaker #7: We've delivered quite well on the on the volume front , but I think we could do more with a with a better macro environment .

Speaker #7: So we're still waiting for that . That turn . But as that inflects and we start seeing us more supportive economy , we start seeing some of this , this tariff noise , get behind us and more certainty for our customers .

Speaker #7: We start seeing this benefits of of strong bulk volumes , especially with this very strong Canadian grain crop . I think you have a potential 2026 for that to .

Nadeem Velani: I think you have a potential in 2026 for that to turn closer to what we highlighted at our investor day as mid teens EPS growth. That's kind of what we had highlighted as through to 2028. We're kind of in that sweet spot of 2026 to 2027 to 2028 being in that mid teens, and I still feel that we can achieve that.

Speaker #7: Turn closer to what we highlighted at our Day is mid-teens EPs growth , and that's kind of what we had highlighted as through to to 2028 .

Speaker #7: So we're kind of in that sweet spot of 26 to 27 to 28. Being in that mid-teens, and I still feel that we can achieve that.

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Konark Gupta with Scotiabank . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Kanak Gupta with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #13: Thanks for taking my question . I think maybe it's for John . Perhaps if we look in the Q4 , I guess you have easier comps coming up in November , December , but any any insights into the potash and intermodal traffic ?

[Analyst]: Thanks for taking my question. I think maybe it's for John, perhaps if we look into Q4, I guess you have easier comps coming up in November, December. Any insights into the potash and intermodal traffic? John, so far in October seems like pretty low and I think you flagged some of the comps issues in the potash. Anything else besides the comps that's being on the potash and on the intermodal side, any issues you're seeing with imports coming down on the U.S. ports?

Speaker #13: John . And so far in October seems like pretty low . And I think you flagged some of the issues in the potash , but anything else besides the comps that's being on the potash and on intermodal side , any issues you're seeing with with imports coming down on the US ports ?

Speaker #6: Yeah . So yeah , the potash is is all driven around the compares . We just we had some surge testing and some different things .

John Brooks: Yes, the potash is all driven around the compares. We just had some surge testing and some different things we did last year that made October awfully strong. I do expect, you know, Campotex, as I said, is sold out to close the year. We're going to run that and push that as hard as we can. You know, on the intermodal front, I expect a really strong close on our domestic intermodal. We've got continued good line of sight, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, to a number of pieces of business that are going to start up in the quarter. Frankly, we're just starting to see the ramp up of our reefer business in and out of Mexico with Americold. Our transload business across Canada continues to be strong. I see pretty good numbers on our domestic intermodal side.

Speaker #6: We did last year that that made October awfully strong . Now I do . Expect , you know Canpotex as I said is is sold out to to close the year .

Speaker #6: We're going to run that and push that is is hard as we can , you know , on the in the intermodal front , I expect a really strong close on our domestic intermodal .

Speaker #6: We've got continued good line of sight . As I mentioned in my remarks to a number of pieces of business that are going to start up in the quarter .

Speaker #6: And frankly , we're just starting to see the ramp up of our reefer business in and out of Mexico with Americold . So I continue to be and frankly , our transload business across Canada continues to be strong .

Speaker #6: So I see I see pretty good numbers on our domestic intermodal side . You know , the the international has been been a challenge relative to the third quarter .

John Brooks: The international has been a challenge relative to the third quarter, maybe the pull ahead volumes in muted peak. That being said, I'm not seeing the blank sailings. I'm not seeing additional challenges. I can tell you we're kind of foreseeing the current run rate to persist as we move through November and December.

Speaker #6: Maybe the pull ahead volumes in muted peak . But that being said , I'm not seeing the blank sailings . I'm not seeing additional challenges .

Speaker #6: I can tell you we're kind of foreseeing the current run rate to persist as we move through November . And and December .

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Walter Spracklin with RBC Capital Markets . Please go ahead .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Walter Spracklin with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker #8: Yeah . Thanks very much , David . Good afternoon everyone .

[Analyst]: Yeah, thanks very much, David. Good afternoon everyone. I'd like to come back to you, John, on volumes. I know Norfolk Southern in their call flagged that they were seeing some diversions in volume away from them as a result of the proposed merger. I think most would see CSX as the beneficiary of that. I'm curious to see if you're seeing any customers making decisions along those lines that would favor you and seeing in terms of volumes over to your line currently, or could you see that as contract negotiations come up? Do you see any opportunity to take advantage of that if that is indeed a trend we're seeing into 2026?

Speaker #11: I'd like .

Speaker #8: To come back to you , John ,

Speaker #4: On volumes .

Speaker #8: And I . know Norfolk .

Speaker #14: Southern in their in their , in their call flagged that they were seeing some diversions in volume away from them as a result of the the proposed merger .

Speaker #14: And I think most would see CSX as the beneficiary of that . But I'm curious to see if any customers being making decisions along those lines that would favor you .

Speaker #14: And seeing in terms of volumes over to your line currently . Or could you see that as as contract negotiations come up ? Do you see any opportunity to take advantage of that ?

Speaker #14: If that is indeed a trend we're seeing into 2026 ?

Speaker #6: Well , I sort of emphasize what Keith said . There's certainly a lot of dialogue going on on that front and what sort of products we can partner in , create the leverage , the strengths of some of those other franchises .

John Brooks: To sort of emphasize what Keith said, there's certainly a lot of dialogue going on on that front and what sort of products we can partner and create. To leverage the strengths of some of those other franchises, you know, those are things that, you know, maybe we've looked at in the past, but are certainly maybe coming to the forefront in terms of opportunities. I do believe that narrative becomes a big part of what our 2026 growth platform could look like in AD. There's no doubt about it, we're already seeing opportunities shift onto our Meridian Speedway route with the CSX. You know, as Keith mentioned, the product design is to be up and running in Q1 of 2026, but it's not a bad product as we sit here today. There's certain customers that certainly want the optionality or have been willing to test that product.

Speaker #6: You know , those are things that , you know , maybe we've looked at in the past , but are certainly maybe coming to the forefront in terms of opportunities .

Speaker #6: I , I do believe that narrative becomes a part of what our 2026 growth platform could look like . And add . There's no doubt about we're already seeing opportunities shift on to our Meridian Speedway route with the CSX .

Speaker #6: You know , if Keith mentioned the product design is is to be up and running in Q1 of 26 , but it's not a bad product .

Speaker #6: As we sit here today and there's there's certain customers that certainly want the optionality have been willing to to test that product . So and , and , you know , we talk a lot about maybe in and out of Texas , Atlanta in those marketplaces .

John Brooks: We talk a lot about maybe in and out of Texas, Atlanta in those marketplaces, but there's an awful lot of freight that is just really conducive to our network into the Southeast that flows out of Mexico. That's frankly an area, whether it is competing against, you know, short sea today or taking trucks off the road, that we've been able to key on with the CSX team. Frankly, a lot of that is new growth opportunities. It's not taking freight off of NS or another competitor. It's new opportunities we're bringing to the roof. In the same vein, there are those opportunities where customers are looking for optionality and we'll give them that.

Speaker #6: But there's a there's an awful lot of freight that that is just really conducive to our network into the southeast that flows out of Mexico .

Speaker #6: And that's frankly an area whether it is competing against , you know , short sea today or taking trucks off the road that we've been able to to key on with CSX team .

Speaker #6: And frankly , a lot of that is new growth opportunities . It's not taken freight off of off of NS or another competitor .

Speaker #6: It's new opportunities . bringing the routes . But but in the same vein , there are other opportunities where where customers are looking for optionality and we'll give them that .

Speaker #5: And John , I would add from an operating side , I mean , from the MX connection that we have through Myrtlewood , it's , you know , Mike , Korean teams team has been really energized with us on the operating side to make that happen .

Mark Redd: John, I would add from an operating side, from the M and B connection that we had through Myrtlewood, Mike Corey and the CSX team have been really energized with us on the operating side to make that happen, to get the speed of the network up and just make the good positive connection that Myrtlewood is. It certainly is promising.

Speaker #5: To get the get the speed of the network up and just make the good positive connection that myrtlewood itself . So it promising .

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Ken Hoexter with Bank of America . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Ken Hoexter with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #15: Hey , great . Good afternoon . Mark , first time in a while , I think we've heard you break out kind of the KCS network versus the CP network .

[Analyst]: Hey, great. Good afternoon Mark. First time in a while I think we've heard you break out kind of the KCS network versus the CP network and performance. Can you delve into maybe what's left to get KCS to CP operating levels? I don't know Nadeem, if you want to talk about the cost synergies or go back to the synergies of what you've achieved and where we're trending on those, and then Keith, just an M&A quick one, but do you think political pressure to get the M&A process moving faster can have an effect or will this take the full 16, 17 months of a normal process?

Speaker #15: And and performance . Can you delve into maybe what's left to get KCS to , to keep operating levels ? You know , I don't know , if you want to talk about the cost synergies or or go back to the synergies of what you've achieved and where we're trending on those .

Speaker #15: And then , Keith , just an M&A quick one . But do you think political pressure to get the M&A process moving faster , can can can have an effect or or will this take the full 16 , 17 months of of of a normal process .

Speaker #4: Yeah . Let me I'll answer that one before . Mark , I think there's no way in the world for this to have a thorough review that it occurs in less than 16 to 17 months .

Keith Creel: Yeah, let me answer that one before Mark. I think there's no way in the world for this to have a thorough review that occurs in less than 16 to 17 months. I think that's efficient. If you think about our review, our review took a lot longer than that. You've got an SDB that, quite frankly, the chair of the SDB has signaled, and I believe I'll hold him to his word, that he's going to take the statutes and the timeline seriously. That means don't exceed them. I also think it means, especially with the gravity of this transaction, don't cut them short. You've got a lot of people that deserve and want and will need to take ample time to review the application, ample time to respond.

Speaker #4: I think that's efficient . If you think about our review , our review took a lot longer than that . You've got an STB that frankly , the chair of the STB has signaled and I believe I'll hold him to his word that he's going to take the statutes in the timeline seriously .

Speaker #4: And that means don't exceed them . And I also think it means , especially with the , you know , the gravity of this transaction , it also means don't don't cut them short .

Speaker #4: You've got a lot of people that deserve and want and will need to take ample time to review the application , ample time to respond .

Speaker #4: And I think that's the only way you get to a place where the STB can make a fulsome , thorough decision , as if all the facts have been shared and heard and understood , and then they'll ultimately decide , does it or does it meet the public interest test ?

Keith Creel: I think that's the only way you get to a place where the SDB can make a fulsome, thorough decision, as if all the facts have been shared and heard and understood, and then they'll ultimately decide does it or does it not meet the public interest test, does it or does it not enhance competition, and if so, what conditions are required for that to be true. I'm not going to put odds on it, it's not a layup, but I'm going to stick with basketball. You know, it's not a half court shot, it's a three quarter shot the way I see it. We'll see how efficient the applicants are to navigate that.

Speaker #4: Does it or does it not enhance competition ? And if so , what conditions are required for that to be true ? And again , I get back to I'm not going to put odds on it .

Speaker #4: It's not a layup , but I'm gonna stick with basketball . You know , it's it's not a half court shot . It's a three quarter shot .

Speaker #4: The way I see it . So we'll see how efficient the applicants are to navigate that .

Speaker #5: So from the from the operating side I would say , you know three things . One is just getting that operating system behind us .

Mark Redd: From the operating side I would say, you know, three things. One is just getting that operating system behind us. I mean that just in itself helps. We've made those steps. I talked about it on my noted remarks bargaining with some of the unions that we have down on the Kansas City Southern property. We continue to do that as we leverage some of the agreements, some of the stuff that we can do with customers to streamline some of the crew districts which we have done, we will continue to do that. Those are opportunities. I think probably one of the biggest ones is just next week.

Speaker #5: I mean that just in itself helps us . We've made those steps . I talked about it on my noted remarks , bargaining with some of the unions that we have down on the KCS property .

Speaker #5: We continue to do that as we leverage some of the the agreements , some of the stuff that we could do with customers to streamline some of the crew districts , which have done , we will continue to do that .

Speaker #5: Those are opportunities . I think probably one of the biggest ones is just next week . I mean , as we walk into year three of GM meetings in Calgary that I lead with the GM , we look for opportunities specifically on KCS of how we can look at CapEx that we put into ground , how we can leverage those sidings , leverage those locomotives , the crew districts that we have that we can redefine the deadheading , the recruits , all of that type of stuff that we could just do a better job of at because we know more of than we did from day one .

Mark Redd: I mean as we walk into year three of GM meetings in Calgary that I lead with the GMs, we look for opportunities specifically on Kansas City Southern of how we can look at CapEx that we put in the ground, how we can leverage those sidings, leverage those locomotives, the crew districts that we have that we can redefine the deadheading, the recruits, all of that type of stuff that we could just do a better job of at because we know more of than we did from day one. Some of the car fleets that we can interchange and spend faster from John's group selling service that we could do something differently.

Speaker #5: Some of the car fleets that we can change and spin faster from John's group selling service that we could do something differently . I mean , all of that conversations I would have next week that will probably expose , you know , tens of millions of dollars that we can pull out just from the operating expense side , that we'll look at and certainly put that right back in our annual budget , because it's budgeting time for us .

Mark Redd: I mean all that conversations I'll have next week that'll probably expose, you know, tens of millions of dollars that we can pull out just from the operating expense side that we'll look at and certainly put that right back in our annual budget because it's budgeting time for us.

Speaker #7: And , Ken , just on your your third question , we had about 165 million of synergies on the expense side that we've achieved year to date .

Nadeem Velani: Ken, just on your third question, we had about $165 million of synergies on the expense side that we've achieved year to date. I'd bucket that in operational benefits, operational improvement, some of the things that Mark just talked about. I'd say that from a sourcing point of view, utilizing kind of merging contracts with both companies and being able to look at our procurement practices and be able to benefit on our contract spend is a big part of it. I'd say that the operating efficiencies and now that we're past the day in on the IT cutover, we've been able to reduce headcount on the G&A side by about almost 300 people total with the combined entities. Those are the three buckets I'd highlight as leading to the majority of the expense benefits on the synergies.

Speaker #7: That I look at that in operational benefits , operational improvement , that some of the things that Mark just talked about , I'd say that from a from a sourcing point of view .

Speaker #7: So utilizing kind of merging contracts with , with both companies and being able to to look at our procurement practices and be able to , to benefit on our contract , contract spend is is a big part of it .

Speaker #7: And then I'd say that that the operating efficiencies and now that we're past the day in on the IT cutover , we've been able to reduce headcount on the gas side by about almost 300 people total , with the combined entity .

Speaker #7: So those are the three buckets I'd highlight as as leading to the majority of the the expense benefits on on the synergies . And I highlight that that's significantly higher than what we had initially thought .

Nadeem Velani: I highlight that that's significantly higher than what we had initially thought we'd achieve as part of the combination.

Speaker #7: We'd achieve as part of the combination .

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Tom Wadewitz with UBS . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Tom Wadewitz with UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #16: Yeah . Good afternoon . So , Keith , I wanted to ask you and , you know , a bit more on the kind of views on the the deal and how your commentary , how you look at it differently than what we've heard from Jim Vena , you know , his characterization is , hey , it's less than it's maybe ten specific production plants that are dual served .

Tom Wadewitz: Yeah, good afternoon. Keith, I wanted to ask you, and then a bit more on the kind of views on the deal and how your commentary, how you look at it differently than what we've heard from Jim Vena. His characterization is, hey, it's less than. It's maybe 10 specific production plants that are dual served. Your commentary is like, hey, it's a number of large terminal areas or city areas that have a lot of overlap. I guess the other thing I want to ask about is, there's a bit of a paradox in the sense of you're saying there's really not risk for CP, that's CPKC, that's north-south flows. At the same time, the kind of market power of such a large railroad UP-NS would really be something of concern.

Speaker #16: Your commentary is like , hey , it's a number of large terminal areas or city areas that have a lot of overlap . And I thing I want to ask about is , you know , paradox in the sense of you're saying there's really not risk for CP .

Speaker #16: That's cp-kcs , that's north , south flows , but at the same time , the kind of market power of such a large railroad , UPN's would really be something of concern .

Speaker #16: So I don't know if that market power or the risk is like , you know , bundling like they take some plants you serve and they serve a lot more plants of a chemical customer , and they somehow rest some business away from you or just how we ought to think about the risk .

Tom Wadewitz: I don't know if that market power or the risk is like bundling, like they take some plants you serve and they serve a lot more plants of a chemical customer and they somehow wrest some business away from you or just how we ought to think about the risk and why from a rail perspective it's a concern to have such a big competitor. Just wanted to see if you could offer more on how you framed it in terms of overlap and risk.

Speaker #16: And why . From a rail perspective , it's a concern to have such a big , big competitor . Just wanted to , you know , see if you could offer more on how you framed it in terms of overlap and risk .

Speaker #4: Yeah , I think sheer size and scale market power is something you have to be aware of . You know , historically , you can protect gateways , but if you've got enough reach and scale , it's not the gateway traffic that gets impacted .

Keith Creel: Yeah, I think sheer size and scale market power is something you have to be aware of. Historically you can protect gateways, but if you've got enough reach and scale, it's not the gateway traffic that gets impacted, it's the captive traffic. Will or won't the applicants utilize and leverage that market power to take prices up on captive if they're not rewarded with traffic over the gateways? That's their question to answer, not mine. Those would be the things that I would look at. The other thing I think about is to minimize it to only a few people that are impacted. Enhancing competition, number one, it's not, there's no precedence on what that definition standard is yet.

Speaker #4: It's the captive traffic. So will or won't the applicants utilize and leverage that market power to take prices up on captive if they're not rewarded with traffic over the gateway?

Speaker #4: And that's their that's their question to answer , not mine . Those would be the things that I would look at . And then the other thing I think about is to minimize it to only a few people that are impacted , enhancing competition .

Speaker #4: Number one , it's not there's no precedence on what that definition standard is yet . But I would argue that just considering a 2 to 1 as the definition of reducing competition , and that's the only concerns that need to be addressed is a very minimalistic , ill fated definition .

Keith Creel: I would argue that just considering a 2 to 1 as the definition of reducing competition, and that's the only concerns that need to be addressed, is a very minimalistic, ill-fated definition. I just don't think that's going to meet the STB standard. That's quite frankly the way it's been presented. You've got overlap in key markets, you've got customers going to have fewer options. I don't say you're enhancing competition if you reduce options. All that's got to be worked out in the application. The other thing I want to be true and I want to make sure conditions exist is that the applicants are held to their commitments and held to kind of teeth so they don't behave in anti-competitive behavior. I don't take it lightly.

Speaker #4: I just don't think that's going to meet standard . And that's quite frankly , the way it's been presented . You've got overlap in key markets , you've got customers going to have fewer options .

Speaker #4: I don't say you're enhancing competition . If you reduce options . So again , all that's got to be worked out in the application .

Speaker #4: The other thing I want to be true and I want to make sure conditions exist , is that the applicants are held to their commitments and held to kind of teeth .

Speaker #4: So they don't behave in anti-competitive behavior . I don't take it lightly . With our experience in our merger with what happened in the battle , that we had to fight just over an existing condition that was given to the KCS that we inherited by way of the Upsb merger , the South End rights , a lot of people forgotten about that .

Keith Creel: With our experience since our merger, with what happened in the battle that we had to fight just over an existing condition that was given to the KCS that we inherited by way of the UP-STB merger, the South End rights. A lot of people have forgotten about that. I have not. UP decided once we came together by sake of name change alone what historically had been acceptable South End rights traffic that CP would interchange to the KCS to go to the Houston marketplace was cut off by the UP. They said, you know what? You're not CP interchanging to the KCS anymore. By name alone. Your shippers are not entitled to that market anymore. That's anti-competitive. You cut off a market. They knew it was wrong. We knew it was wrong. We took them to the STB. The facts were heard.

Speaker #4: I have not up decided once we came together by sake of name change , along with historically had been acceptable . South End rights traffic would interchange the KCS to go to the Houston Marketplace was cut off by the EPA .

Speaker #4: They said , you know what ? You're not CP interchange into KCS anymore . My name alone , our your shippers are not entitled to that market anymore .

Speaker #4: That's anti-competitive . You cut off a market , they knew it was wrong . We knew it was wrong . We took it to the STB .

Speaker #4: The facts were heard . It took two years to get to a decision . Just because you can . I don't think it's right for any railroad or any business just because they can to try to impose their will .

Keith Creel: It took two years to get to a decision just because you can. I don't think it's right for any railroad or any business just because they can to try to impose their will. That has an adverse impact in the marketplace. When you want to talk about what we're concerned about, that's the kind of behavior we're concerned about. I hope that I'm surprised and I hope that Mr. Vinna and team submit the conditions and the assurances in their application that makes us all rest easily. I don't know. All I know is what's happened in the past and what's happened in the past is not a very warm thought about what might happen in the future without the right conditions and the right teeth to, I guess, make sure that those conditions are enforced in a decision.

Speaker #4: That has an adverse impact on the marketplace . So when you want to talk about what we're concerned about , that's the kind of behavior we're concerned about .

Speaker #4: And I hope and I hope that I'm surprised and I hope that Mr. Vienna and team submit the conditions and the assurances in their application that makes us all rest easily .

Speaker #4: don't know , all I know is what's happened in the past and what's happened in the past is not a very warm thought about what might happen in the future without the right conditions and the right teeth to to .

Speaker #4: I guess , make sure that those conditions are enforced in a decision . If a decision comes that's favorable so we can protect and enhance competition for this nation's freight shippers .

Keith Creel: If a decision comes that's favorable, we can protect and enhance competition for this nation's freight shippers.

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Brandon Oglenski with Barclays . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Brandon Oglenski with Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #17: Hey , good evening everyone . Thanks for taking the question . John . As you look into next year , especially with all the ups and downs of trade , but can you talk to maybe some of the business wins that you have that support the longer term growth profile of this business ?

Keith Creel: Hey, good evening everyone.

[Analyst]: Thanks for taking the question. John, as you look into next year, especially with all of the ups and downs of trade, can you talk to maybe some of the business wins that you have that support the longer term growth profile of this business and maybe if you could give us some.

Speaker #17: And maybe if you could give us some early insight to maybe where you see volumes next year to if you're willing to go there .

Mark Redd: Early insight to maybe where you see.

[Analyst]: Volumes next year too if you're willing to go there.

Speaker #6: Well , Brandon , I don't know if I'm quite ready to go there yet , but I'm sure that'll be a topic in in January .

John Brooks: Brandon, I don't know if I'm quite ready to go there yet, but I'm sure that'll be a topic in January. I know it will. Look, I fully expect we will outperform, perform. We'll do what we do. We outperform our peers. We outperform the macro. I fully expect that in 2026. I don't see the recipe right now changing a whole lot. You know, if some of this grain, whether it be soybeans or the Canadian crop, rolls out of Q4 and into next year, that's going to be an area of strength for us. There's a sizable crop on both sides of the border. If we don't get it now, we're going to get it next year. I see that as an opportunity. You know, we exceeded my $300 million target this year for where I saw new synergies.

Speaker #6: I know it will . Look , I , I fully expect we will outperform . We'll do what we do . We outperform our peers .

Speaker #6: We outperform the macro . I fully expect that in 2026 . I don't see the recipe right now changing a whole lot . You know , if some of this grain , whether it be soybeans or the Canadian crop , rolls , you know , out of Q4 and in into next year , that's going to be an area of strength for us .

Speaker #6: There's a sizable crop on both sides of the border . If we don't get it now , we're going to get it next year .

Speaker #6: So I see that as an opportunity . You know , we we exceeded my $300 million target this year for where I saw new synergies .

Speaker #6: You know , I fully expect our self-help initiatives in synergies , whether it be you know , continuing to grow our our Mex , our intermodal route , our one 8181 , you know , the reefer business that I spoke to , continued growth down at Lazarow with Gemini .

John Brooks: I fully expect our self help initiatives and synergies, whether it be continuing to grow our MMX, our intermodal route, our 180, 181, the reefer business that I spoke to, continued growth down at Lazaro with Gemini. I fully expect the synergy area to produce another $300 million of opportunity for this franchise. We'll continue that price discipline that keeps going. Spoke to, and maybe two areas that are a little unique to next year that I see is we've got a really strong industrial development pipeline shaping up. These are French new facilities that are being built on our railroad that'll be up and running here in Q4 and early in 2026. Frankly, that's a $200 million plan plus opportunity of again just new business that's going to start up on the railroad.

Speaker #6: I fully expect the synergy area to produce another $300 million of of opportunity for this franchise . We'll continue that price discipline that , that that .

Speaker #6: Keith spoke to . And , you know , maybe two areas that are a little unique to to next year that I see is we've got a really strong industrial development pipeline shaping up .

Speaker #6: These are these are French New facilities that are being built on our railroad that will be up and running here in Q4 . And in 2026 .

Speaker #6: And frankly , that's a $200 million plus opportunity of , again , just new business that's going to start up on on the railroad .

Speaker #6: And then you combine that finally with , you know , stuff . We already talked to relative to some of these partnerships . And opportunities with our connecting roads .

John Brooks: You combine that finally with stuff we already talked to relative to some of these partnerships and opportunities with our connecting roads, and that's sort of what the recipe looks like, Brandon.

Speaker #6: And that's sort of what the the recipe looks like . Brandon .

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Ravi with Morgan Stanley , please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Ravi Shanker with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #18: Good . Thanks . Good everyone . So just on pricing , I know you kind of commented on the kind of pricing being above the long term target of 3 to 4% .

[Analyst]: On pricing, I know you kind of commented on the kind of.

John Brooks: Pricing being above the long-term target.

Speaker #18: I think it has been for a few quarters now .

[Analyst]: Of 3 to 4%. I think it has been for a few quarters now. I'm wondering if there's any opportunity to.

Speaker #18: I'm wondering if there's any opportunity to maybe early take up that long term target , or do you think that you guys are just overperforming now for whatever reasons ?

John Brooks: Maybe take up that long-term target.

[Analyst]: Do you think that you guys are just overperforming now for whatever reasons, and maybe that kind of comes back down to that 3% to 4% over time?

Speaker #18: And maybe that kind of comes back down to that 3 to 4% over time .

Speaker #6: You know , I don't Ravi , I don't see it really . You know , inflation is certainly come down in in those pressures .

John Brooks: I don't. Ravi, I don't see it really. Inflation has certainly come down in those pressures. I think we've felt them kind of through the year. We knew they were going to play out that way again. It's all around pricing, the value of the service and capacity, and frankly that's a discipline that Nadeem said. I'm super pleased with the team's efforts down there. I'll tell you, we're definitely outperforming our peer railroads on that front and we're going to push hard. Those targets for my sales team are going to continue to be in that neighborhood as I look to 2026. I fully expect those pressures to be out there, but we're going to fight for every quarter point, you know, based on the service and the capacity this railroad provides.

Speaker #6: I think we've , we've , we've them kind of through the year . We , we knew they were going to play out that way again .

Speaker #6: It's all around pricing . The value of the service . And capacity . And frankly that's a discipline that I'm Nadeem said . I'm super pleased with the team's efforts down there .

Speaker #6: I'll tell you , we're we're definitely out performing our peer railroads on that front , and we're going to push hard . Those targets for my sales team are going to continue to be in that neighborhood .

Speaker #6: As I look to 2026 . So yeah , those I fully expect those pressures to be out there . But felt we're going to fight for every quarter point , you know , based on the service and the capacity this railroad provides .

Speaker #7: Yeah . Ravi , if we had a stronger macro , as I commented earlier , I think that'd be supportive of of some incremental pricing .

Nadeem Velani: Yeah, Ravi, if we had a stronger macro, as I commented earlier, I think that'd be supportive of some incremental pricing, but I don't think that that's something that we've been able to benefit from the past 10 months or past year.

Speaker #7: But I don't think that that's something that we've been able to benefit from the past, say, ten months or past year.

Speaker #2: We'll take our next question from Ari Rosa with Citigroup . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Operator: We'll take our next question from Ari Rosa with Citigroup. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker #19: Yeah . Hi . Good afternoon . Keith , you mentioned that maybe some shippers or various stakeholders might be reluctant to speak up for various reasons .

[Analyst]: Yeah. Hi, good afternoon, Keith, you mentioned that maybe some shippers or various stakeholders might be reluctant to speak up for various reasons. I'm just curious behind the scenes what kind of conversations you're having and where do the fears lie in terms of what the risks are that are posed from kind of the UPNS proposal. Not to be overly cynical, but is there any dimension in which you worry that by virtue of being a Canadian rail, your voice might not be listened to as carefully or kind of you won't get the same weight that a U.S. rail might have as the merger process moves forward.

Speaker #19: I'm just curious behind the scenes , what kind of conversations you're having . And where do the fears lie in terms of what the risks are that are posed from kind of the UPN's proposal ?

Speaker #19: And then not to be overly cynical , but is there any dimension in which you worry that by virtue of being a Canadian rail , your voice might not be listened to as carefully or kind of , you won't get the same weight that a US rail might have as the kind of merger process moves forward .

Speaker #4: Well , I guess the way I'd answer the second , the second question first is we're North American Rail Company , we're the uniquely the only rail that connects all three nations .

Keith Creel: I guess the way I'd answer the second question first is we're a North American rail company. We're uniquely the only rail that connects all three nations. 40% of our revenue, 40% of our business is in the U.S. The monies we invest are significant. A third of our employees live and work and are taxpaying members of the U.S. taxpayer citizens. We are undeniably wrapped in the American flag. We care as much about America as we equally care about Canada as we equally care about Mexico. We have that responsibility. I can't decide if someone's going to dismiss our impact. I think it's material, I think it's meaningful. I think we've invested heavily into this nation as we'll continue to do that and we're going to have a voice. It's up to those that listen to decide if they want to diminish it.

Speaker #4: 40% of our revenue , 40% of our business is in the United States . The moneys we invest are significant . A third of our employees live and work and are taxpaying members of the United States .

Speaker #4: Taxpayer citizens . We're we are undeniably wrapped in the American flag , and we care as much about America as we care about Canada's weekly care about Mexico .

Speaker #4: We have that responsibility . So I can't decide if someone's going to dismiss our impact . I think it's material . I think it's meaningful .

Speaker #4: I think we've invested heavily into this nation . As we'll continue to do that , and we're going to have a voice , it's up to those that listen to decide if they want to diminish it .

Speaker #4: I think it's irrelevant , and I think it's truth based , and I think it's facts that truly can't be denied . The part about the customers .

Keith Creel: I think it's relevant and I think it's truth based and I think it's facts that truly can't be denied. The part about the customers, I can't reveal the specific discussions, but undeniably there's a common theme and concern about retaliation. People are reluctant to speak up publicly. Yes, you hear associations, you know, I heard Mr. Venice say they don't have a direct commercial relationship with UP. I would agree, but they're speaking on behalf of their customers who do. To be so dismissive, I think is a bit irresponsible. Again, that's my view, not obviously Jim's. In time, we'll see. There'll be private discussions, there'll be public discussions. You're going to hear the associations speak out. In the end, I'm sure that some customers will take that step. Their application and their comments will bear their concerns, and they'll best bear their concerns better than I can.

Speaker #4: I can't reveal the specific discussions , but undeniably , there's a common theme and concern about retaliation . People are reluctant to speak up publicly .

Speaker #4: Yes , you hear associations , you know , I heard Mr. say they don't have a direct commercial relationship with Up . I would agree , but they're speaking on behalf of their customers who do so to be just so dismissive , I think is a bit a bit irresponsible .

Speaker #4: But again , that's my view . Not obviously Jim's , but in time we'll see . There'll be private discussions , there will be public discussions .

Speaker #4: You're going to hear the association's speak out in the end , I'm sure that some customers will take that step . Their application and their comments will bear their concerns , and they'll best bear their concerns better than I can .

Speaker #4: But I think a powerful thought . I hear this word . There's been 400 customers that have offered letters of support , and I'm not saying that doesn't matter .

Keith Creel: I think a powerful thought. I hear this word. There's been 400 customers that have offered letters of support. I'm not saying that doesn't matter. Their voice matters. How many more have said nothing? Silence says a lot.

Speaker #4: Their voice matters, but how many more have said nothing says a lot.

Speaker #2: And we have reached our allotted time for Q&A now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Keith Creel .

Operator: We have reached our allotted time for Q and A. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Keith Creel.

Speaker #4: Okay . Well , listen . Thank you . Let me wrap up with where I started . Thank you for your time this afternoon .

Keith Creel: Okay, thank you. Let me wrap up with where I started. Thank you for your time this afternoon. It's been some thoughtful discussion. I know this is an industry that, quite frankly, seems to be continually in a state of change. Regardless how those changes may roll out, this company, you can believe, is going to be focused on safely and efficiently delivering for our customers and delivering on the growth opportunities that this unique network has created that enables the value creation that we've committed to for our shareholders and for those that have trusted us with their capital dollars. We look forward to executing a strong fourth quarter, and we look forward in the first quarter to sharing those results with you. Everyone have a blessed holiday. Until then, talk safe. Thank you.

Speaker #4: It's been some some thoughtful discussion . I know this is an industry that , quite frankly , seems to be continually in a state of change , regardless of how those changes may roll out .

Speaker #4: This company, you can believe, is going to be focused on safely and efficiently delivering for our customers and delivering on the growth opportunities that this unique network has created.

Speaker #4: That enables the value creation that we've committed to for our shareholders and for those that have trusted with their capital dollars . We look forward to executing a strong fourth quarter , and we look forward in the first quarter , sharing those results with you .

Speaker #4: Everyone have a blessed holiday . Until then , we'll talk soon . Thank you .

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

Nadeem Velani: SA.