Q3 2025 Haverty Furniture Companies Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Greetings and welcome to Havertys third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call . At this time , all participants are in a listen only mode .
Operator: Greetings and welcome to Haverty Furniture Companies Inc.'s third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press *0 on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tiffany Hinkle, Assistant Vice President, Financial Reporting and Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Operator: Greetings, welcome to Haverty's Q3 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tiffany Hinkle, Assistant Vice President, Financial Reporting and Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Speaker #1: A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation . If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference , please press Star Zero on your telephone keypad .
Speaker #1: As a reminder , this conference is being recorded . It is now my pleasure to introduce your host , Tiffany Hinkle , Assistant Vice President , Financial Reporting and Investor Relations .
Speaker #1: Thank you. You may begin.
Speaker #2: Thank you . Operator . morning , and thank you for joining us for our third quarter earnings call . I'm here today with our president and CEO , Steve Burdette , and Executive Vice President and CFO , Richard Hare .
Tiffany Hinkle: Thank you, Operator. Good morning and thank you for joining us for our third quarter earnings call. I'm here today with our President and CEO Steve Burdette and Executive Vice President and CFO Richard Hare. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that today's conference call may contain forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those made or implied in such statements, which speak only as of the date they are made, and we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise. Factors that could cause actual results to differ include economic and competitive conditions and other uncertainties detailed in the company's reports filed with the SEC. A replay of this call will be available on our investor relations website this afternoon. For commentary about our business, I will now turn the call over to Steve.
Tiffany Hinkle: Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our Q3 Earnings Call. I'm here today with our President and CEO, Steven G. Burdette, and Executive Vice President and CFO, Richard B. Hare. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that today's conference call may contain forward-looking statements which are subject to risk and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those made or implied in such statements, which speak only as of the date they are made and which we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise. Factors that could cause actual results to differ include economic and competitive conditions and other uncertainties detailed in the company's reports filed with the SEC. A replay of this call will be available on our investor relations website this afternoon. For commentary about our business, I will now turn the call over to Steven G. Burdette.
Speaker #2: Before we begin , I'd like to remind everyone that today's conference call may contain forward looking statements which are subject to risk and uncertainties .
Speaker #2: Actual results may differ materially from those made or implied in such statements , which speak only as of the date they are made and which we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise .
Speaker #2: Factors that could cause actual results to differ include economic and competitive conditions and other uncertainties detailed in the company's reports filed with the SEC .
Speaker #2: A replay of this call will be available on our Investor Relations website this afternoon . For commentary about our Good business , I will now turn the call over to Steve .
Speaker #3: Good morning . Thank you for joining our 2025 third quarter conference call . We are excited to report an increase in both written and delivered comp sales for Q3 .
Steven Burdette: Good morning. Thank you for joining our 2025 third quarter conference call. We are excited to report an increase in both written and delivered comparable store sales for Q3. Our sales for Q3 were $194.5 million, which was up 10.6% with comps up 7.1%. Total written sales were up 10% with comps up 8%. Our steady growth in written and delivered sales over the past four quarters reflects improvements across marketing, merchandise assortments, promotions, supply chain distribution, home delivery service, and store execution. While this quarter's results are positive, we remain focused on the significant opportunities in front of us that will allow our return to a billion dollar plus company with no additional investments needed in our distribution infrastructure. Gross margins continue to be strong, coming in at 60.3% compared to 60.2% in Q3 2024.
Steven G. Burdette: Good morning. Thank you for joining our 2025 Q3 conference call. We are excited to report an increase in both written and delivered comp sales for Q3. Our sales for Q3 were $194.5 million, which was up 10.6%, with comps up 7.1%. Total written sales were up 10%, with comps up 8%. Our steady growth in written and delivered sales over the past 4 quarters reflects improvements across marketing, merchandise assortments, promotions, supply chain, distribution, home delivery, service, and store execution. While this quarter's results are positive, we remain focused on the significant opportunities in front of us that will allow our return to a billion-dollar-plus company with no additional investments needed in our distribution infrastructure.
Speaker #3: Our sales for Q3 were 194.5 million , which was up 10.6% with comps up 7.1% . Total written sales were up 10% , with comps up 8% .
Speaker #3: Our steady growth in written and delivered sales over the past four quarters reflects improvements across marketing , merchandise assortments , promotions , supply chain distribution , home delivery , service and store execution .
Speaker #3: While this quarter's results are positive , we remain focused on the significant opportunities in front of us that will allow our return to $1 billion plus company with no additional investments needed in our distribution infrastructure .
Speaker #3: Gross margins continue to be strong , coming in at 60.3% compared to 60.2% in Q3 2020 . For our pre-tax profits for the quarter were 6.4 million , or 3.3% , operating margin , compared with 6.9 million , or 3.9% operating margin in Q3 2020 .
Steven G. Burdette: Gross margins continue to be strong, coming in at 60.3% compared to 60.2% in Q3 2024. Our pre-tax profits for the quarter were $6.4 million or 3.3% operating margin, compared with $6.9 million or 3.9% operating margin in Q3 2024. Our EPS for the quarter came in at $0.28 compared to $0.29. Richard will provide additional details regarding the increase in SG&A expenses and LIFO impact for the quarter. During the quarter, our Labor Day event was the company's largest event of the year and was key to our success in the quarter. We had a terrific written four-day increase of 13.6% over last year with strong metrics. Traffic was positive in the mid-single digits.
Steven Burdette: Our pre-tax profits for the quarter were $6.4 million or 3.3% operating margin compared with $6.9 million or 3.9% operating margin in Q3 2024. Our EPS for the quarter came in at $0.28 compared to $0.29. Richard will provide additional details regarding the increase in SG&A expenses and LIFO impact for the quarter. During the quarter, our Labor Day event was the company's largest event of the year and was key to our success in the quarter. We had a terrific written four day increase of 13.6% over last year with strong metrics. Traffic was positive in the mid single digits. Average ticket grew to over $4,000 with design average ticket over $8,000 and conversion rates showed a slight decrease compared to last year. Although conversion rates did slow a slight decrease compared to last year, the industry faces ongoing challenges.
Speaker #3: For our EPs for the quarter came in at $0.28 , compared to $0.29 . Richard will provide additional details regarding the increase in SG&A expenses and LIFO impact for the quarter .
Speaker #3: During the quarter , our Labor Day event was the company's largest event of the year and was key to our success in the quarter .
Speaker #3: We had a terrific written four day increase of 13.6% over last year , with strong metrics , traffic was positive in the mid-single digits .
Speaker #3: Average ticket grew to over $4,000 , with design average ticket over $8,000 and conversion rates showed a slight . Although conversion rates did slow , a slight decrease compared to last year .
Steven G. Burdette: Average ticket grew to over $4,000, with design average ticket over $8,000. Although conversion rates did slow a slight decrease compared to last year. The industry faces ongoing challenges. High interest rates and rising home prices continue hurting the housing market. Tariffs remain an issue. Geopolitical tensions persist, consumer confidence is falling, and the government shutdown is now heading into week 5. Recent and planned interest rate cuts have yet to lower mortgage rates or boost the housing sector. Despite these pressures, our customers with household incomes over $150,000 are still spending, giving us confidence for the rest of 2025 and into 2026. Traffic for the quarter stayed positive, with growth in the mid-single digits compared to last year.
Speaker #3: The industry faces ongoing challenges . High interest rates and rising home prices continue hurting the housing market . Tariffs remain an issue . Geopolitical tensions persist .
Steven Burdette: High interest rates and rising home prices continue hurting the housing market. Tariffs remain an issue, geopolitical tensions persist, consumer confidence is falling, and the government shutdown is now heading into week five. Recent and planned interest rate cuts have yet to lower mortgage rates or boost the housing sector. Despite these pressures, our customers with household incomes over $150,000 are still spending, giving us confidence for the rest of 2025 and into 2026. Traffic for the quarter stayed positive with growth in the mid single digits compared to last year. The average ticket increased 6.1% reaching $3,668 and the designer's average ticket rose 11.9% to $7,986. Our design business remained robust, accounting for 34.2% of sales, driven by a 7.1% increase in upholstery special orders. Conversion rates for the quarter showed continued improvement over Q2, finishing the quarter down slightly in the low single digits.
Speaker #3: Consumer confidence has fallen and the government shutdown is now heading into week five . Recent and planned interest rate cuts have yet to lower mortgage rates or boost the housing sector .
Speaker #3: Despite these pressures , our customers with household incomes over 150,000 are still spending , giving us confidence for the rest of 2025 and into 2026 .
Speaker #3: Traffic for the quarter stayed positive , with growth in the mid-single digits compared to last year . The average ticket increased 6.1% , reaching 3668 , and the designers average ticket rose 11.9% to 7986 .
Steven G. Burdette: The average ticket increased 6.1%, reaching $3,668, and the designer's average ticket rose 11.9% to $7,986. Our design business remained robust, accounting for 34.2% of sales, driven by a 7.1% increase in upholstery special orders. Conversion rates for the quarter showed continued improvement over Q2, finishing the quarter down slightly in the low single digits. Our merchandising and supply chain teams have done a great job moving much of our production out of China during the quarter so we could resume our special order business. The announcements of potential new tariffs on furniture by the administration in late August was disappointing.
Speaker #3: Our design business remained robust , accounting for 34.2% of sales , driven by a 7.1% increase in upholstery , special orders . Conversion rates for the quarter showed continued improvement over Q2 , finishing the quarter down slightly in the low single digits .
Speaker #3: Our merchandising and supply chain teams have done a great job moving much of our production out of China during the quarter so we could resume our special order business .
Steven Burdette: Our merchandising and supply chain teams have done a great job moving much of our production out of China during the quarter so we could resume our special order business. The announcements of potential new tariffs on furniture by the administration in late August was disappointing. Ultimately, these new tariffs were finalized at 25% on all upholstered wood products out of Mexico along with Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and Indonesia beginning October 14, but will be moving to 30% beginning January 1, 2026. Our merchandising and supply chain teams have worked with our vendors to secure pricing to not disrupt any shipments. As with previous price increases, we will adjust retail prices strategically to maintain our values and margins. We appreciate our vendors' collaboration in helping us deliver strong values to our customers.
Speaker #3: The announcements of potential new tariffs on furniture by the administration in late August was disappointing . Ultimately , these new tariffs were finalized at 25% on all upholstered wood products out of Mexico , along with Vietnam , Cambodia , Thailand and Indonesia .
Steven G. Burdette: Ultimately, these new tariffs were finalized at 25% on all upholstered wood products out of Mexico, along with Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and Indonesia beginning 14 October 2025, but will be moving to 30% beginning 1 January 2026. Our merchandising and supply chain teams have worked with our vendors to secure pricing to not disrupt any shipments. As with previous price increases, we will adjust retail prices strategically to maintain our values and margins. We appreciate our vendors' collaboration in helping us deliver strong values to our customers. The positive out of these new tariffs is that they are not stackable on the existing reciprocal tariffs put in place back in the summer. We are monitoring the administration's current trip to Asia and the upcoming Supreme Court decision to see what the impact will be on tariffs going forward.
Speaker #3: Beginning October 14th . But will be moving to 30% beginning January 1st , 2026 . Our merchandising and supply chain teams have worked with our vendors to secure pricing , to not disrupt any shipments .
Speaker #3: As with previous price increases, we will adjust retail prices strategically to maintain our values and margins. We appreciate our vendors' collaboration and helping us deliver strong value to our customers.
Speaker #3: The positive out of these new tariffs is that they are not stackable on the existing reciprocal tariffs put back in place , put in place , back in the summer .
Steven Burdette: The positive out of these new tariffs is that they are not stackable on the existing reciprocal tariffs put in place back in the summer. We are monitoring the administration's current trip to Asia and the upcoming Supreme Court decision to see what the impact will be on tariffs going forward. The new merchandising team has now been in place for a full year and we are starting to see their impact on our product assortments. We just brought our store management team from the field to Atlanta for a three-day leadership event at the end of September to celebrate our 140th anniversary and to show them in person the new products arriving over the next six to nine months. The merchandising team did a fabulous job presenting the new products, creating lots of excitement for our store management to take back to their teams.
Speaker #3: We are monitoring the administration's current trip to Asia and the upcoming Supreme Court decision to to see what the impact will be on tariffs going forward .
Speaker #3: The new merchandising team has now been in place for a full year , and we are starting to see their impact on our product assortments .
Steven G. Burdette: The new merchandising team has now been in place for a full year, and we are starting to see their impact on our product assortments. We just brought our store management team from the field to Atlanta for a three-day leadership event at the end of September to celebrate our 140th anniversary and to show them in person the new products arriving over the next 6 to 9 months. The merchandising team did a fabulous job presenting the new products, creating lots of excitement for our store management to take back to their teams. From a category performance, all categories showed nice increases during the quarter. Bedroom and bedding outperformed all categories with increases in the low to mid-double digits, followed by upholstery and occasional in the high single digits, and dining room and decor in the mid-single digits.
Speaker #3: We just brought our store management team from the field to Atlanta for a three day leadership event . At the end of September to celebrate our 140th anniversary , and to show them in person the new products arriving over the next 6 to 9 months .
Speaker #3: The merchandising team did a fabulous job presenting the new products, creating lots of excitement for our store management to take back to their teams.
Speaker #3: From a category performance perspective, all categories showed nice increases during the quarter. Bedroom and bedding outperformed all categories with increases in the low to mid double digits, followed by upholstery and occasional categories in the high single digits, and dining room and decor in the mid-single digits.
Steven Burdette: From a category performance, all categories showed nice increases during the quarter. Bedroom and bedding outperformed all categories with increases in the low to mid double digits, followed by upholstery and occasional in the high single digits, and dining room and decor in the mid single digits. Our inventories have remained basically flat in Q3 compared to Q2 this year. We anticipate the inventories will increase slightly in Q4 due to the additional tariffs implemented in October. Our marketing, creative, and media plans continue to resonate with our customers through broadcast, connected TV, and digital marketing channels. Our expanded use of AI and data has improved our targeting and personalization, making our marketing investments more efficient, and we saw web traffic, including organic and site engagement, increase by double digits as our written e-commerce sales grew 13.6% for the quarter.
Speaker #3: Our inventories have remained basically flat in Q3 compared to Q2 this year . We anticipate the inventories will increase slightly in Q4 due to the additional tariffs implemented in October .
Steven G. Burdette: Our inventories have remained basically flat in Q3 compared to Q2 this year. We anticipate the inventories will increase slightly in Q4 due to the additional tariffs implemented in October. Our marketing creative and media plans continue to resonate with our customers through broadcast, connected TV, and digital marketing channels. Our expanded use of AI and data has improved our targeting and personalization, making our marketing investments more efficient. We saw web traffic, including organic and site engagement, increase by double digits as our written e-commerce sales grew 13.6% for the quarter. We invested an additional $2.8 million this quarter in marketing, including our first direct mail campaign in several years. The direct mail piece proved to be very successful in attracting new customers to Havertys with a 12-page layout that showcased our product offerings and design capabilities.
Speaker #3: Our marketing , creative and media plans continue to resonate with our customers through broadcast connected TV , connected TV and digital marketing channels .
Speaker #3: Our expanded use of AI and data has improved our targeting and personalization , making our marketing investments more efficient . And we saw web traffic , including organic and site engagement , increased by double digits as our e-commerce sales grew 13.6% for the quarter .
Speaker #3: We invested an additional 2.8 million this quarter in marketing , including our first direct mail campaign in several years . The direct mail piece proved to be very successful in attracting new customers to Havertys , with a 12 page layout that showcased our product offerings and design capabilities .
Steven Burdette: We invested an additional $2.8 million this quarter in marketing, including our first direct mail campaign in several years. The direct mail piece proved to be very successful in attracting new customers to Havertys with a 12-page layout that showcased our product offerings and design capabilities. We continue offering 60 months no interest financing to remain competitive, and our credit costs continue to remain in line with last year. We completed the closing of the Waco store at the end of September. However, we are pleased to announce the opening of our third store in the Houston market in mid-October. The new store is in New Caney, which is in the northeast part of Houston. This will bring our store count back to 129, which is where we will end the year. We will return to our store growth goals of 5 per year in 2026.
Speaker #3: We continue offering 60 months no interest financing to remain competitive , and our credit costs continue to remain in line with . Last year .
Steven G. Burdette: We continue offering 60 months no-interest financing to remain competitive, and our credit costs continue to remain in line with last year. We completed the closing of the Waco store at the end of September. However, we are pleased to announce the opening of our third store in the Houston market in mid-October. The new store is in New Caney, which is in the northeast part of Houston. This will bring our store count back to 129, which is where we will end the year. We will return to our store growth goals of 5 per year in 2026. As stated on our last call, we have finalized 4 additional leases for 2026 openings in St. Louis, Nashville, and 2 more in Houston. We have 1 new market and 1 relocation in the LOI process now but are unable to announce.
Speaker #3: We completed the closing of the Waco store at the end of September . However , we are pleased to announce the opening of our third store in the Houston market in mid-October .
Speaker #3: The new store is in New Caney , which is in the northeast part of Houston . This will bring our store count back to 129 , which is where we will end the year .
Speaker #3: We will . We will return to our store growth goals of five per year in 2026 . As stated on our last call , we have finalized four additional leases for 2026 openings in Saint Louis , Nashville , and two more in Houston .
Steven Burdette: As stated on our last call, we have finalized four additional leases for 2026 openings in St. Louis, Nashville, and two more in Houston. We have one new market and one relocation in the LOI process now but are unable to announce. We will make investments in our stores throughout 2026 in the bedding departments and design centers to maintain our focus on improving the customer experience. Our distribution, home delivery, and customer service teams continue to do a fantastic job controlling expenses while furnishing happiness to our customers. The management teams are great at balancing the number of team members with the workflow demand needed due to natural turnover. We continue to believe that due to Havertys controlling the final mile delivery with Havertys team members, it is a huge advantage to our success in providing our customers with unwavering service.
Speaker #3: We have one new market and one relocation in the Loi process . Now , but are unable to announce . We will make investments in our stores throughout 2026 .
Steven G. Burdette: We will make investments in our stores throughout 2026 in the bedding departments and design centers to maintain our focus on improving the customer experience. Our distribution, home delivery, and customer service teams continue to do a fantastic job controlling expenses while furnishing happiness to our customers. The management teams are great at balancing the number of team members with the workflow demand needed due to natural turnover. We continue to believe that due to Havertys controlling the final mile delivery with Haverty team members, it is a huge advantage to our success in providing our customers with unwavering service. Thank you to all our Haverty team members for your dedication to our customers and the company's success. Our people define us, and I am proud to be a part of this great team.
Speaker #3: In the betting departments and design centers to maintain our focus on improving the customer experience . Our distribution , home delivery and customer service teams continue to do a fantastic job controlling expenses while furnishing happiness to our customers .
Speaker #3: The management teams are great at balancing the number of team members with the workflow demand needed to . Due to natural turnover . We continue to believe that our that due to heritage control in the final mile delivery with Hagerty team members , it is a huge advantage to our success in providing our customers with unwavering service .
Speaker #3: Thank you to all our team members for your dedication to our customers and the company's success . Our people define us and I am proud to be a part of this great team with a debt free balance sheet , operational consistency , integrity , and consumer focus .
Steven Burdette: Thank you to all our Havertys team members for your dedication to our customers and the company's success. Our people define us, and I am proud to be a part of this great team. With a debt free balance sheet, operational consistency, integrity, consumer focus in home design services, and our regret free experience, Havertys offers confidence to our customers to furnish their homes with a Havertys brand. I will now turn the call over.
Steven G. Burdette: With a debt-free balance sheet, operational consistency, integrity, consumer focus, in-home design services, and our regret-free experience, Havertys offers confidence to our customers to furnish their homes with a Haverty brand. I will now turn the call over to Richard.
Speaker #3: In-Home design services and our regret free experience . Havertys offers confidence to our customers to furnish their homes with a Haverty brand . I will now turn the call over to Richard .
Richard Hare: Thank you, Steve, and good morning. In the third quarter of 2025, net sales were $194.5 million, a 10.6% increase over the prior quarter. Comparable store sales were up 7.1% over the prior year period. Our gross profit margin increased 10 basis points to 60.3% from 60.2%. Excluding the impact of a $624,000 LIFO expense in the third quarter of 2025, our gross profit margin would have been 60.6%. The overall increase in margins was due to product selection, merchandising, pricing, and mix selling. Selling, general, and administrative expenses increased $11.4 million, or 11.3%, to $112.3 million. As a percentage of sales, these costs approximated 57.8% of sales, up from 57.4% in the prior year's quarter. We experienced increased advertising, selling, occupancy, and administrative costs during the quarter. Other income expense in the third quarter of 2025 was $348,000 and interest income was approximately $1.1 million.
Speaker #3: Thank you , Steve , and good morning .
Richard B. Hare: Thank you, Steve, and good morning. In Q3 2025, net sales were $194.5 million, a 10.6% increase over the prior year Q. Comparable store sales were up 7.1% over the prior year period. Our gross profit margin increased 10 basis points to 60.3% from 60.2%. Excluding the impact of a $624,000 LIFO expense in Q3 2025, our gross profit margin would have been $0.606. The overall increase in margins was due to product selection, merchandising, pricing, and mix. Selling, General & Administrative Expenses increased $11.4 million or 11.3% to $112.3 million.
Speaker #4: In the third quarter of 2025 , net sales were $194.5 million , a 10.6% increase over the prior year quarter . Comparable store sales were up 7.1% over the prior year period .
Speaker #4: Our gross profit margin increased ten basis points to 60.3% from 60.2%. Excluding the impact of the $624,000 LIFO expense in the third quarter of 2025.
Speaker #4: Our gross profit margin would have been 60.6 cents . The overall increase in margins was due to product selection , merchandising , pricing and mix selling , general and administrative expenses increased $11.4 million , or 11.3% , to 112.3 million .
Speaker #4: As a percentage of sales , these costs approximated 57.8% of sales , up from 57.4% in the prior year's quarter . We experienced increased advertising selling , occupancy and administrative costs during the quarter .
Richard B. Hare: As a percentage of sales, these costs approximated 57.8% of sales, up from 57.4% in the prior year's quarter. We experienced increased advertising, selling, occupancy, and administrative costs during the quarter. Other income expense in Q3 2025 was $348,000, and interest income was approximately $1.1 million during Q3 2025. Income before income taxes decreased $400,000 to $6.4 million. Our tax expense was $1.7 million for Q3 2025, which resulted in an effective tax rate of 26.4% compared to an effective tax rate of 28.3% in the prior year period.
Speaker #4: Other income expense in the third quarter of 2025 was 348,000 , an interest income was approximately $1.1 million . During the third quarter of 2025 .
Richard Hare: During the third quarter of 2025, income before income taxes decreased $400,000 to $6.4 million. Our tax expense was $1.7 million for the third quarter of 2025, which resulted in an effective tax rate of 26.4% compared to an effective tax rate of 28.3% in the prior year period. Net income for the third quarter of 2025 was $4.7 million, or $0.28 per diluted share of our common stock, compared to net income of $4.9 million, or $0.29 per share in the comparable quarter last year. Now turning to our balance sheet, at the end of the third quarter, our inventories were $92.4 million, which was up $9 million from the December 31, 2024 balance and up $3.7 million versus the Q3 2024 balance.
Speaker #4: Income before income taxes decreased $400,000 to $6.4 million. Our tax expense was $1.7 million for the third quarter of 2025, which resulted in an effective tax rate of 26.4%.
Speaker #4: Compared to an effective tax rate of 28.3% in the prior year period . Net income for the third quarter of 2025 was 4.7 million , or $0.28 per diluted share , of our common stock , compared to net income of 4.9 million , or $0.29 per share , in the comparable quarter last year .
Richard B. Hare: Net income for Q3 2025 was $4.7 million or $0.28 per diluted share of our common stock compared to net income of $4.9 million or $0.29 per share in the comparable quarter last year. Turning to our balance sheet. At the end of Q3, our inventories were $92.4 million, which was up $9 million from the 31 December 2024 balance and up $3.7 million versus the Q3 2024 balance. At the end of Q3, our customer deposits were $43.9 million, which was up $3.1 million from the 31 December 2024 balance and flat with Q3 2024.
Speaker #4: Now , turning to our balance sheet at the end of the third quarter , our inventories were 92.4 million , which was up $9 million from the December 31st , 2024 balance and up $3.7 million versus the Q3 2024 balance .
Speaker #4: At the end of the third quarter , our customer deposits were 43.9 million , which was up 3.1 million from the December 31st , 2024 balance .
Richard Hare: At the end of the third quarter, our customer deposits were $43.9 million, which was up $3.1 million from the December 31, 2024 balance and flat with Q3 of 2024. We ended the quarter with $130.5 million of cash and cash equivalents, and we had no funded debt on the balance sheet at the end of the third quarter of 2025. Looking at some of our cash flow usage, CapEx was $3.6 million for Q3 2025, and we also paid out $5.2 million of our regular dividends in the quarter. We did not purchase any common shares of stock of our share repurchase program during the third quarter of 2025, and we have approximately $6.1 million of existing authorization in our buyback program. Our earnings release lists out several additional forward-looking statements indicating our future expectations of certain financial metrics.
Speaker #4: And flat with Q3 of 2024 . We ended the quarter with $130.5 million of cash and cash equivalents , and we had no funded debt on the balance sheet .
Richard B. Hare: We ended the quarter with $130.5 million of cash and cash equivalents. We had no funded debt on the balance sheet at the end of Q3 2025. Looking at some of our cash flow usage, CapEx was $3.6 million for Q3 2025. We also paid out $5.2 million of our regular dividends in the quarter. We did not purchase any common shares of stock of our share repurchase program during Q3 2025. We have approximately $6.1 million of existing authorization in our buyback program. Our earnings release list out several additional forward-looking statements indicating our future expectations of certain financial metrics. I'll highlight a few, but please refer to our press release for additional commentary.
Speaker #4: At the end of the third quarter of 2025 . Looking at some of the our cash flow usage CapEx was $3.6 million for Q3 2025 .
Speaker #4: And we also paid out $5.2 million of our regular dividends in the quarter . We did not purchase any common shares of stock of our share repurchase program during the third quarter of 2025 , and we have approximately $6.1 million of existing authorization .
Speaker #4: And our buyback program , our earnings release lists out several additional forward looking statements indicating our future expectations of certain financial metrics . I'll highlight a few , but please refer to our press release for additional commentary .
Richard Hare: I'll highlight a few, but please refer to our press release for additional commentary. Our 2025 guidance includes tariffs currently in effect as of October 29, 2025, and does not include the effect of additional proposed tariffs that have not been finalized by the Trump administration. We expect our gross margins for 2025 to be between 60.4% and 60.7%. We anticipate gross profit margins will be impacted by our current estimates of profit product rate and LIFO expenses. Our fixed and discretionary type SG&A expenses for 2025 are expected to be in the $296 to $298 million range, an increase from our previous guidance due to higher anticipated advertising and admin costs. The variable type costs within SG&A for 2025 are expected to be in the range of 18.6% to 18.8% based on our expected level of selling costs for the remainder of the year.
Speaker #4: Our 2025 guidance includes tariffs currently in effect as of October 29th , 2025 , and does not include the effects of additional proposed tariffs that have not been finalized by the Trump administration .
Richard B. Hare: Our 2025 guidance includes tariffs currently in effect as of 29 October 2025, and does not include the effect of additional proposed tariffs that have not been finalized by the Trump administration. We expect our gross margins for 2025 to be between 60.4% and 60.7%. We anticipate gross profit margins will be impacted by our current estimates of product rate and LIFO expenses. Our fixed and discretionary type SG&A expenses for 2025 are expected to be in a $296 to 298 million range. An increase from our previous guidance due to higher anticipated advertising and admin costs.
Speaker #4: We expect our gross margins for 2025 to be between 60.4 and 60.7% , we anticipate gross profit margins will be impacted by our current estimates of product , freight and LIFO expenses .
Speaker #4: Our fixed and discretionary type , G&A expenses for 2025 are expected to be in the 296 to $298 million range , an increase from our previous guidance due to higher anticipated advertising and admin costs .
Speaker #4: The variable type costs within SG&A for 2025 are expected to be in the range of 18.6 to 18.8% , based on our expected level of selling costs .
Richard B. Hare: The variable type costs within SG&A for 2025 are expected to be in the range of 18.6% to 18.8% based on our expected level of selling costs for the remainder of the year. Our planned CapEx for 2025 remains at $24 million. Anticipated new or replacement stores, remodels, and expansions account for $19.6 million. Investments in our distribution network are expected to be $1.8 million, and investments in our information technology are expected to be approximately $2.6 million. Our anticipated effective tax rate in 2025 is expected to be 26.5%. This projection excludes the impact from vesting of stock awards and any potential new tax legislation. This completes my financial commentary on the Q3 financial results. Operator, we would like to open the call up for any questions.
Speaker #4: the remainder of the year . Our planned For CapEx for 2025 remains at $24 million . Anticipated new or replacement stores , remodels and expansions account for 19.6 million .
Richard Hare: Our planned CapEx for 2025 remains at $24 million. Anticipated new or replacement stores, remodels, and expansions account for $19.6 million. Investments in our distribution network are expected to be $1.8 million, and investments in our information technology are expected to be approximately $2.6 million. Our anticipated effective tax rate in 2025 is expected to be 26.5%. This projection excludes the impact from vesting of stock awards and any potential new tax legislation. This completes my financial commentary on the third quarter financial results. Operator, we would like to open the call up for any question.
Speaker #4: Investments in our distribution network are expected to be 1.8 million , and investments in our information technology are expected to be approximately 2.6 million .
Speaker #4: Our anticipated effective tax rate in 2025 is expected to be 26.5% . This projection excludes the impact from vesting of stock awards and any potential new tax legislation .
Speaker #4: This completes my financial commentary on the third quarter financial results . Operator . We would like to open the call up for any questions .
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Speaker #5: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for taking the questions so early. It is very nice to see the return to positive same-store sales here in the quarter.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Good morning everyone and thank you for taking the questions. Very nice to see the return to positive same store sales here in the quarter. I know you highlighted the strong Labor Day. Can you comment also just on the monthly trends that you saw in the third quarter and whether or not you saw any notable regional differences in your markets? Sure.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for taking the questions. Fairly very nice to see the return to positive same-store sales here in the quarter. I know you highlighted the strong Labor Day. Can you comment also just on the monthly trends that you saw in Q3 and whether or not you saw any notable regional differences in your market, in your markets?
Speaker #5: I know you highlighted the strong Labor Day . Just , just can you comment also just on the monthly trends that you saw in the third quarter and whether or not you saw any notable regional differences in your market , in your markets ?
Speaker #4: Sure . Anthony . Good morning . This is Richard . I read business trends in the third quarter in July . We were up on a same day a week basis , a little about 10.6% in July , 10.9 in August .
Richard B. Hare: Sure, Anthony. Good morning. This is Richard. Our rig business trends in Q3 in July, we were up on a same-day week basis, a little over about 10.6% in July, 10.9 in August, and a little over 8% in September. Deliveries were fairly consistent, 11.6% in July, 7% in August, and 13.1 in September. I don't believe there are much, if any, regional differences, but Steve, I don't know if you got anything else you wanted to add.
Richard Hare: Anthony, good morning. This is Richard. Our written business trends in the third quarter, in July we were up on a same day, a week basis a little about 10.6% in July, 10.9% in August and a little over 8% in September. Deliveries were fairly consistent, 11.6% in July, 7% in August and 13.1% in September. I don't believe there are much if any regional differences. Steve, I don't know if you had anything else you wanted to add.
Speaker #4: And a little over 8% in September . Deliveries were fairly consistent , 11.6% in July , 7% in August and 13.1 in September .
Speaker #4: I don't believe there are much , if any , regional differences , but Steve , I don't know if you had anything else you wanted .
Speaker #3: To add . Yeah , no . Good morning Anthony . No , there was not much difference there . We certainly had probably more strength through the Midwest .
Steven G. Burdette: Yeah, no. Good morning, Anthony. No, there was not much difference there. We certainly had probably more strength through the Midwest, Georgia, Central, and Florida were and Texas were really good. The East was a little lighter, but everybody was positive. All districts were positive, you know, across the board.
Steven Burdette: Good morning, Anthony. No, there was not much difference there. We certainly had probably more strength through the Midwest. Georgia Central and Florida and Texas were really good. The East was a little lighter, but everybody was positive. All districts were positive across the board.
Speaker #3: Georgia Central and Florida were in Texas , were really good . The East was a little lighter , but everybody was positive . All districts were positive across the across the .
Speaker #3: board You know , Anthony , we don't a dollar impact . No because we adjusted our pricing . I mean you know we've been very clear from the beginning .
Speaker #5: That's good to hear . Certainly . And then as far as tariffs , is there any way you guys could could quantify or like give give a sense as to the impact of tariffs that
Anthony Lebiedzinski: That's good to hear. Certainly. As far as tariffs, is there any way you guys could quantify or give a sense as to the impact of tariffs that had on the quarter?
Anthony Lebiedzinski: That's good to hear, certainly. As far as tariffs, is there any way you guys could quantify or, like, give a sense to the impact of tariffs that had on the quarter?
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Steven Burdette: You know, Anthony, we don't have a dollar impact, no, because we adjusted our pricing. I mean, we've been very clear from the beginning we make strategic price changes immediately once we know the tariffs. We feel like our positioning on that, even going back to Covid when we were dealing with all price increases, we know how to handle this and know how to move forward with it. I don't think we have it, but the impact would come on LIFO and I'll let Richard talk to that specifically.
Steven G. Burdette: You know, Anthony, we don't. A dollar impact? No, because we adjusted in our pricing. I mean, you know, we've been very clear from the beginning. We make strategic price changes immediately once we know the tariffs. We feel like our positioning on that, even going back to COVID, when we were dealing all the price increases, we know how to handle this and know how to move forward with it. Yeah, I don't, I don't think we had it, but the impact would come on LIFO and I'll let Richard talk to that specifically.
Speaker #3: We make strategic price changes immediately . Once we know the tariffs and we feel like our our positioning on that , even going back to Covid , when we were dealing all price increases , we know how to handle this and know how to move forward with it .
Speaker #3: So , you know , I don't I don't think we have it , but the impact would come a life on . I'll let Richard salt to that specifically .
Richard Hare: Yeah, thanks. I did mention in my remarks about the impact of LIFO expense on our gross margins. We are seeing as the tariffs, as that material comes in in the third quarter and it will continue to come in the fourth quarter, you'll see our LIFO expense go up. I believe last year we had a LIFO benefit of around $800,000 for the year. So far this year we have LIFO expense for the first three quarters of about $750,000. I would expect to continue to see some more LIFO expense roll through the P&L throughout this year and probably into next year.
Richard B. Hare: Yeah. Thanks. I did mention in my remarks about the impact of LIFO expense on our gross margins. We are seeing as the tariffs, as that material comes in Q3, and it will continue to come in Q4, you'll see our LIFO expense go up. I believe last year we had a LIFO benefit of around $800,000 for the year. So far this year, we have LIFO expense for the first 3 quarters of about $750,000. I would expect to continue to see some more LIFO expense roll through the PNL throughout this year and probably into next year.
Steven Burdette: Anthony, I don't, we don't see that as an impact. We've been able to grow sales, and we've changed the prices and maintain our margin. You know, we feel good about where we're going in the direction we're taking with it, how we're handling it.
Steven G. Burdette: Anthony, we don't see that as an impact. We've been able to grow sales and we've changed the prices and maintain our margin. You know, we feel good about where we're going and the direction we're taking with it, how we're handling it.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Then, you know, just in terms of, you know, your expense guidance, I know you talked about higher advertising and administrative costs. You know, how should we think about those for next year? Do you think that trend will continue? You know, just overall, just wondering if you could comment on what you're seeing, you know, in terms of costs of running the business.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Okay, gotcha. In terms of your expense guidance, I know you talked about higher advertising and administrative costs. How should we think about those for next year? Do you think that trend will continue? Overall, just wondering if you could comment on what you're seeing in terms of cost of running the business.
Richard Hare: I'd say, you know, for this year we went up maybe about $5 million band on our non-variable costs from last quarter to this quarter. For the year, about 3/5 of that was advertising cost. The rest on the administrative cost is more incentive compensation. This year we are hitting our annual targets in our incentive plans. Last year we were not. It's kind of a tough comparison. We have not developed our full budget for next year, but I would expect basically normal inflationary type increases. Nothing significant to note in the non-variable side of the business.
Richard B. Hare: Yeah. I'd say, you know, for this year, we went up maybe about $5 million band on our non-variable costs from the last quarter to this quarter for the year. About three-fifths of that was advertising costs. The rest is on the administrative costs, is more incentive compensation. This year, we are hitting our annual targets in our incentive plans. Last year, we were not, it's kind of a tough comparison. We have not developed our full budget for next year, but I would expect, basically, you know, normal inflationary type increases, nothing significant to note in the non-variable side of the business.
Steven Burdette: Anthony, let me speak to the marketing specifically. In 2024, we basically pulled back too hard. You know, we were experiencing some double-digit decreases in written. We tried to manage the business. We had an election going on, and we basically, if you remember from Q2, we increased our marketing expense. I think it was about $1 million. We upped that ante in the third quarter as well. We felt to levels that it needed to be. I might want to remind you of that $2.8 million, about half of it is due to the Houston market, which is now new to us, and we're investing more advertising as we led to that, our third store opening there. Obviously, we also returned to direct mail, which we think is a key part of our direction going forward.
Steven G. Burdette: Anthony, let me speak to the marketing specifically. In 2024, we basically pulled back too hard. You know, we were experiencing some double-digit decreases in written. We were trying to manage the business. We had an election going on. We basically, if you remember from Q2, we increased our marketing expense. I think it was about $1 million. We upped that ante in Q3 as well. We felt to levels that it needed to be. I might wanna remind you of that $2.8 million, about half of it is due to the Houston market is now new to us, and we're investing more advertising as we led to that, our third store opening there.
Steven G. Burdette: Obviously, we also returned to direct mail, which we think is a key part of our direction going forward. We have one event now that's out in Q4 as well, right now. But I don't see marketing. I think we've gotten it back to levels that we can sustain, and I think for 2026, we'll be fairly flat with where we are in 2025.
Steven Burdette: We have one event now that's out in the fourth quarter as well right now. I don't see marketing. I think we've gotten it back to levels that we can sustain, and I think for 2026 we'll be fairly flat with where we are in 2025.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Understood. Thank you very much for that additional color and best of luck to you guys.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Understood. Well, thank you very much for that additional color and best of luck to you guys.
Steven Burdette: Thank you, Anthony.
Steven G. Burdette: Thank you, Anthony.
Operator: Our next question comes from Cristina Fernández with Telsey Advisory Group. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: Our next question comes from Cristina Fernández with Telsey Advisory Group. Please proceed with your question.
Cristina Fernández: Good morning and congratulations also on the positive comp. I wanted to see if you can talk more about the composition of that comp. It definitely seemed like ticket was the bigger driver. I wanted to understand, is that mostly due to the price increases? Are you seeing consumers kind of trade up on the price point or navigate to some of those bigger ticket items?
Cristina Fernández: Yeah, good morning, and congratulations also on the positive comp. I wanted to see if you can talk more about the composition of that comp. It definitely seemed like ticket was the bigger driver. I wanted to understand, is that mostly due to the price increases, or are you seeing consumers kind of trade up on the price points or navigate to some of those bigger ticket items?
Steven G. Burdette: Certainly, average ticket is driving that. One thing that we do look at is we have been able to drive our design tickets up by selling more pieces to the consumer. We measure that's helped drive it. Obviously, price increases are having an impact on that as well. I don't have a direct breakdown between the two, Cristina, there's certainly both of those. I will also add conversion rates. While we're not above last year, we are getting, as I commented on in my notes, we're basically low single digits, and we were running mid single digits at Q2 when I reported. We're seeing continual improvement there, and that's obviously still a focus for us and what we think we still have significant opportunities moving forward.
Steven Burdette: Certainly average ticket is driving that. One thing that we do look at is we have been able to drive our design tickets up by selling. We're selling basically more pieces to the consumer. We measure that, and that's helped drive it. Obviously, price increases are having an impact on that as well. I don't have a direct breakdown between the two, Cristina, but there's certainly both of those. I will also add conversion rates. While we're not above last year, we are getting, as I commented on in my notes, we're basically low single digits, and we were running mid single digits at Q2 when I reported. We're seeing continual improvement there. That's obviously still a focus for us and what we think we still have significant opportunities moving forward.
Certainly average ticket is driving. That 1 thing that we do look at is we have been able to drive our design tickets up by selling, we're selling basically more pieces to the consumer. We measure that and so that's helped drive it. But obviously, price increases are having an impact on that as well. I don't have a direct breakdown between the 2 Christina, but there's certainly both of those and I will also add conversion rates while we're not above. Last year, we are getting as I commented on in my notes, we're we're basically low single digits and we were running mid single digits at Q2 when I reported. So we're seeing continual Improvement there. Uh, and that's obviously, still a focus for us and what we think we still have significant significant opportunities moving forward.
Cristina Fernández: On the price increases to offset the newer Section 232 tariffs, what's the timing of that? Have you already taken some, or is that something that's going to take place here in the fourth quarter?
Cristina Fernández: On the price increases to offset the newer Section 232 tariffs, what's the timing of that? Have you already taken some or that's something that's gonna take place here in the Q4?
and then, um,
Increases to offset the newer Section 232 tariffs.
Steven G. Burdette: It's already taken place in early October. As soon as we knew and got to it, as I said, our merchandising supply chain teams were working with our factories to get everything solidified and price changes were made early to mid-October. They are already in place now as we go forward.
Steven Burdette: It’s already taken place in early October. We got as soon as we knew and got to it. As I said, our merchandising supply chain teams were working with our factories to get everything solidified, and price changes were made early to mid October. They were already in place now as we go forward.
I What's the timing of that? Have you already taken some or that something that's going to take place here in the fourth quarter?
It. It is already taken place in early October.
We got as soon as we knew and and got to it. As I said, our merchandising supply chain teams, uh, we're working with our factories to get everything, uh, solidified and, and price changes were made early to mid October. So, we were already in place now as we go forward.
Cristina Fernández: I also want my last question on the, I guess, bigger picture. How should we think about the level of sales where you can leverage SG&A expenses? You had a great growth rate this quarter, 10%, but expenses grew faster than that. Should we think about a growth rate or more an absolute number of sales that will allow you to leverage those expenses and start to see operating margin expansion year over year as your sales grow?
Cristina Fernández: My last question is on the, I guess, bigger picture. How should we think about the level of sales where you can leverage SG&A expenses? I mean, you had a great growth rate this quarter, 10%, you know, expenses grew faster than that. Should we think about a growth rate or more an absolute number of sales that will allow you to leverage those expenses and start to see operating margin expansion year over year as your sales grow?
and then, um, I also want my last question is on the
Richard Hare: Yeah, Cristina, if you look historically, when we get particularly above $800 million and $800 million to mid-$800 millions, you really start seeing some expansion there. As you saw during the COVID years when we blew to $1 billion, you really saw it fall. I would definitely, in my mind, over $800 million you really see it falling significantly to the bottom line.
I guess bigger picture, how should we think about the level of sales where you can leverage sg&a expenses? Uh, I mean you had a great growth rate this quarter 10% but um, you know, expenses grew faster than that. So should we think about a growth rate or more and absolute number of sales that will allow you to leverage those expenses and start to see operating margin expansion year over year as your sales growth.
Richard B. Hare: Yeah, Cristina, if you look historically, you know, when we get, you know, particularly above $800 million and, you know, $800 to mid-$800s, you really start seeing some expansion there. As you saw during the COVID years when we went, you know, blew to $1 billion, you really saw it fall. I would definitely, you know, in my mind, you know, over $800, you really see it falling significantly to the bottom line.
Yeah, Christina. If you look at
When we get, you know, particularly above $800 million. And, you know,
Steven Burdette: As I commented on the marketing, Cristina, we're going to keep that. We think it'll be fairly flat in 2026 to 2025. That'll be an opportunity to leverage as well. We can continue to get the growth.
Steven G. Burdette: Yeah, as I commented on the marketing, Cristina, we're going to keep that. You know, we think it'll be fairly flat in 2026 to 2025. That'll be an opportunity to leverage as well. We can continue to get the growth.
So, I would definitely, you know, in my mind, over $800, you really see it falling significantly to the bottom line.
Yeah, and as I commented on the marketing, Christina, we're going to keep that, you know, we think it'll be fairly flat in 26 to 25, so that'll be an opportunity to leverage as well, we can continue to get the growth.
Cristina Fernández: Thank you.
Cristina Fernández: Thank you.
Steven Burdette: Thank you.
Steven G. Burdette: Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Tiffany for closing comments.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time, and I would now like to turn the floor back over to Tiffany for closing comments.
There are no further questions at this time and I would now like to turn the floor back over to Tiffany for closing comments.
Tiffany Hinkle: Thank you for your participation in today's call. We look forward to talking with you in the future when we release our Q4 results. Have a great day.
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