Q3 2025 Newell Brands Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #1: Good morning and welcome to Newell Brands' third quarter 2020 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode.

Speaker #1: After a brief discussion by management , we will open up the call for questions . To ask a question , please press star one .

Joanne Freiberger: Good morning and welcome to Newell Brands Inc.'s Q3 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After a brief discussion by management, we will open up the call for questions. To ask a question, please press star 11. If your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, press star 11 again. In order to stay within the time scheduled for this call, please limit yourself to one question during the Q&A session. Today's conference call is being recorded. A live webcast of this call is available at irr.newellbrands.com. I'll now turn the call over to Joanne Freiberger, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Chief Communications Officer. Ms. Freiberger, you may begin.

Speaker #1: One . If your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue , press star one again in order to stay within the time scheduled for this call , please limit yourself to one question during the Q&A session .

Speaker #1: Today's conference call is being recorded. A live webcast of this call is available at Newell Brands Inc. I'll now turn the call over to Joanne Freiberger.

Speaker #1: Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Chief Communications Officer, Ms. Fryberger. You may begin.

Speaker #2: Thank you . Michel . Good morning , everyone , and welcome to Newell Brands third quarter 2020 earnings call . On the call with me today are Chris Peterson , our president .

Joanne Freiberger: Thank you, Michelle. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Newell Brands Inc.'s Q3 2025 earnings call. On the call with me today are Chris Peterson, our President and CEO, and Mark Erceg, our CFO. Before we begin, I'd like to inform you that during today's call, we will be making forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results and outcomes may differ materially, and we undertake no obligation to update forward-looking statements. I refer you to the cautionary language and risk factors available in our earnings release, our Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other SEC filings available on our investor relations website for a further discussion of the factors affecting forward-looking statements. Today's remarks will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures, including those referred to as normalized measures.

Speaker #2: And CEO . And Mark , our CFO . Before we begin , I'd like to inform you that during today's call , we will be making forward looking statements which involve risks and uncertainties .

Speaker #2: Actual results and outcomes may differ materially, and we undertake no obligation to update forward-looking statements. I refer you to the cautionary language and risk factors available in our earnings release.

Speaker #2: Our Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other SEC filings are available on our Investor Relations website. For a further discussion of the factors affecting forward-looking statements.

Speaker #2: Today's remarks will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures, including those referred to as normalized measures. We believe these non-GAAP measures are useful to investors, although they should not be considered superior to the measures presented in accordance with GAAP.

Joanne Freiberger: We believe these non-GAAP measures are useful to investors, although they should not be considered superior to the measures presented in accordance with GAAP. Explanations of these non-GAAP measures and reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP measures can be found in today's earnings release and tables that were furnished to the SEC. Thank you. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris.

Speaker #2: Explanations of these non-GAAP measures and reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP measures can be found in today's earnings release and tables that were furnished to the SEC.

Speaker #2: Thank you. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Chris.

Speaker #3: Thanks , Joanne . Good morning , everyone , and thank you for joining us . The third quarter macro environment for general merchandise categories remained exceptionally dynamic .

Chris Peterson: Thanks, Joanne. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. The Q3 macro environment for general merchandise categories remained exceptionally dynamic and challenging. Numerous new tariffs were announced by both the U.S. and international markets, creating trade disruptions in affected categories. For perspective, we now anticipate Newell Brands Inc. will incur $180 million in incremental cash tariff costs this year, which is up from our estimate of $155 million just two months ago. These trade disruptions have affected short-term consumer and retailer behavior. To respond to this, we employed a multifaceted plan. Specifically, we increased focus on productivity and overhead cost savings efforts. We sold incremental distribution and promotions in tariff-advantaged categories, and we took pricing actions where necessary to offset the tariff costs. While our team executed our plan well, it was not sufficient to offset the macro headwinds in Q3.

Speaker #3: And challenging . Numerous new tariffs were announced by both the US and international markets , creating trade disruptions in affected categories . For perspective , we now anticipate Newell will incur 180 million in incremental cash tariff costs .

Speaker #3: This year , which is up from our estimate of $155 million . Just two months ago . These trade disruptions have affected short term consumer and retailer behavior .

Speaker #3: To respond to this , we employed a multifaceted plan . Specifically , we increased focus on productivity and overhead cost savings efforts . We sold incremental distribution and promotions in tariff advantaged categories .

Speaker #3: And we took pricing actions where necessary to offset the tariff costs. While our team executed our plan well, it was not sufficient to offset the macro headwinds in the third quarter.

Speaker #3: Both core and net sales came in down 7% , which was below our expectations due in large part to three discrete macroeconomic related factors , namely lower retailer inventory levels , a slowdown in a couple of key international markets like Brazil and lower consumer demand .

Chris Peterson: Both core and net sales came in down 7%, which was below our expectations due in large part to three discrete macroeconomic-related factors, namely lower retailer inventory levels, a slowdown in a couple of key international markets like Brazil, and lower consumer demand as we priced for tariffs more aggressively than competition in several categories. Combined, these three factors reduced Q3 sales by 4 to 5 points, which, along with 2 to 3 points of category compression, more than offset incremental tariff-advantaged business wins in a strong innovation program. The good news is that our consumer-driven product and consumer innovation programs are getting stronger every day, and starting with Q4 and extending throughout 2026, net distribution gains are expected to exceed distribution losses. This stands in stark contrast to the three discrete macroeconomic factors that weighed on our business during Q3, which we believe will be short-lived.

Speaker #3: As we priced for tariffs , more aggressively than competition in several categories . Combined , these three factors reduced third quarter sales by 4 to 5 points , which , along with 2 to 3 points of category compression , more than offset incremental tariff advantaged business wins in a strong innovation program .

Speaker #3: The good news is that our consumer driven product and consumer innovation programs are getting stronger every day , and starting with the fourth quarter and extending throughout 2026 , net distribution gains are expected to exceed distribution losses .

Speaker #3: This stands in stark contrast to the three discrete macroeconomic factors that weighed on our business during the third quarter, which we believe will be short-lived.

Speaker #3: For example, our market intelligence suggests that the retailer inventory adjustment we experienced during the third quarter was largely one time in nature, as higher inventory values due to tariffs were absorbed by the market. Additionally, several large retailers shifted their business from direct import to domestic delivery relative to our international business, which accounts for roughly 40% of our total sales.

Chris Peterson: For example, our market intelligence suggests that the retailer inventory adjustment we experienced during Q3 was largely one-time in nature, as higher inventory values due to tariffs were absorbed by the market, and several large retailers shifted their business from direct import to domestic delivery. Relative to our international business, which accounts for roughly 40% of our total sales, we expect it will return to growth during Q4 after heightened macroeconomic and political instability caused a slowdown in Brazil and Argentina, both top 10 international markets for Newell Brands Inc. This slowdown interrupted six consecutive quarters of international core sales growth. Finally, competitive pricing actions have begun to manifest themselves across several key businesses, like Writing, where we have a strong domestic manufacturing presence. As more pricing hits the market in categories where we are tariff-advantaged, we expect the amount of incremental business wins we secure to continue to increase.

Speaker #3: We expect it will return to growth during the fourth quarter after heightened macroeconomic and political instability caused a slowdown in Brazil and Argentina, both top ten international markets.

Speaker #3: For Newell . This slowdown interrupted six consecutive quarters of international core sales growth . Finally , competitive pricing actions have begun to manifest themselves across several key businesses like writing , where we have a strong domestic manufacturing presence as more pricing hits the market and categories where we are tariff advantaged .

Speaker #3: We expect the amount of incremental business wins we secured to continue to increase. For these reasons, we remain confident that Newell's turnaround is on track and that the actions we are taking position us well to return to top-line growth in the future.

Chris Peterson: For these reasons, we remain confident that Newell Brands Inc.'s turnaround is on track and that the actions we are taking position us well to return to top-line growth in the future. Let's now turn to our three business segments, starting with Learning and Development. Writing held its own during a back-to-school season that all in was roughly flat. Overall, we performed well with retail partners that prioritized and featured branded products, while isolated customers that shifted emphasis to private label alternatives experienced weaker sell-through. That said, we did expect stronger results because we anticipated competitors would take pricing prior to replenishment orders being placed and shipped. Instead, competitors waited until after the back-to-school season had ended to implement meaningful increases, which we are now seeing in October reflected at shelf.

Speaker #3: Let's now turn to our three business segments , starting with learning and development . Writing held its own during a back to school season .

Speaker #3: That All in was roughly flat. Overall, we performed well with retail partners that prioritized and featured branded products, while isolated customers that shifted emphasis to private label alternatives experienced weaker sell-through.

Speaker #3: That said , we did expect stronger results because we anticipated competitors would take pricing prior to replenishment orders being placed and shipped . Instead , competitors waited until after the back to school season had ended to implement meaningful increases , which we are now seeing in October reflected at shelf .

Speaker #3: Looking forward and on the heels of recent product successes such as Sharpie, Creative Markers, and XPO Dry and Wet Erase, the 2026 Writing Innovation program remains very strong.

Chris Peterson: Looking forward and on the heels of recent product successes such as Sharpie Creative Markers and Expo Dry and Wet Erase, the 2026 Writing innovation program remains very strong. In addition, points of distribution will be considerably higher after a major retailer completes a total shelf reset this month, and competitors who, unlike us, don't have strong domestic manufacturing capabilities raise prices. For these reasons, we feel very good about where we are headed with our Writing business. In Baby, we proactively took three rounds of pricing to offset inflation and tariffs. Competitors largely followed, and due to the strength of our Graco innovation program, we continued to gain market share despite leading pricing higher in the category. As we indicated last quarter, the Baby business was temporarily affected in Q3 by a large retailer's decision to shift from direct import shipments to domestic fulfillment.

Speaker #3: In addition , points of distribution will be considerably higher after a major retailer completes a total shelf reset . This month and competitors who , unlike us , don't have strong domestic manufacturing capabilities , raised prices .

Speaker #3: For these reasons, we feel very good about where we are headed with our writing business and, baby, we proactively took three rounds of pricing to offset inflation and tariffs.

Speaker #3: Competitors largely followed, and due to the strength of our Graco Innovation program, we continued to gain market share despite leading pricing higher in the category.

Speaker #3: As we indicated last quarter, the baby business was temporarily affected in the third quarter by a large retailer's decision to shift from direct import shipments to domestic fulfillment.

Speaker #3: Looking ahead , we have an exciting 2026 innovation pipeline for baby . So this business is also trending well . Turning to the home and commercial segment and starting with kitchen , we have been proactively pricing throughout the year to offset tariffs and protect margins .

Chris Peterson: Looking ahead, we have an exciting 2026 innovation pipeline for Baby, so this business is also trending well. Turning to the Home and Commercial segment and starting with Kitchen, we have been proactively pricing throughout the year to offset tariffs and protect margins, but several competitors did not immediately follow. As a result, we took the decision late in Q3 to increase promotional activity to restore price competitiveness, which will put near-term pressure on sales and margins as the broader market adjusts to higher sourcing costs and small kitchen appliances from Southeast Asia. Kitchen was also impacted by macro softness in Brazil and Argentina, where Oster is the market leader, which we expect to be transitory. In Home Fragrance, Q3 core sales were below expectations as some retail partners used the timing of the Yankee Candle brand restage to destock by liquidating older products before placing new orders.

Speaker #3: But several competitors did not immediately follow . As a result , we took the decision late in the third quarter to increase promotional activity to restore price competitiveness , which will put near-term pressure on sales and margins as the broader market adjusts to higher sourcing costs and small kitchen appliances from Southeast Asia .

Speaker #3: Kitchen was also impacted by macro softness in Brazil and Argentina, where Oster is the market leader, which we expect to be transitory. Home fragrance Q3 core sales were below expectations as some retail partners used the timing of the Yankee Candle brand restage to destock by liquidating older products before placing new orders.

Speaker #3: That said, where shelves have been reset with the new assortment, consumer demand has been strong, validating the direction of the relaunch.

Chris Peterson: That said, where shelves have been reset with a new assortment, consumer demand has been strong, validating the direction of the relaunch. We remain confident that the restage will bring a return to growth in Q4 of 2025 and for the full year of 2026 as shelves are now largely reset and full A&P launch support is initiated. The Commercial business, which is anchored by the Rubbermaid Commercial Products brand, continues to perform well across the institutional and hospitality verticals where demand has been consistent. However, in Q3, this strength was more than offset by continued DIY softness, where store traffic remains below prior year levels. Despite near-term top-line challenges, the Home and Commercial team continues to execute our simplification plan, driving cost efficiencies and positioning the segment for profit improvement as demand stabilizes.

Speaker #3: We remain confident that the restage will bring a return to growth in the fourth quarter of 2025 and for the full year 2026, as shelves are now largely reset and full A&P launch support is initiated.

Speaker #3: The commercial business, which is anchored by the Rubbermaid Commercial Products brand, continues to perform well across the institutional and hospitality verticals, where demand has been consistent.

Speaker #3: However, in the third quarter, this strength was more than offset by continued DIY softness, where store traffic remains below prior year levels despite near-term top-line challenges.

Speaker #3: The Home and Commercial team continues to execute our simplification plan, driving cost efficiencies and positioning the segment for profit improvement as demand stabilizes.

Speaker #3: Finally, the outdoor and recreation business has started to turn the corner, with third quarter sales being essentially flat compared to last year.

Chris Peterson: Finally, the Outdoor and Recreation business has started to turn the corner, with Q3 sales being essentially flat with last year. Simplification efforts, tighter inventory management, and portfolio pruning are all delivering tangible improvement. Perhaps most importantly, we have a strong innovation lineup in place for 2026 that we are very excited about. We believe this business is on track to return to top-line growth next year. Mark will go into more detail shortly, but before doing that, I would like to call out a few things from a total company standpoint that were particularly notable in the Q3 and share some high-level thoughts on our updated guidance for the year. First, excluding the impact of the 125% China tariffs, which we called out last quarter, normalized gross margin would have expanded by 40 basis points in the Q3 versus a year ago.

Speaker #3: Simplification efforts, tighter inventory management, and portfolio pruning are all delivering tangible improvements. Perhaps most importantly, we have a strong innovation lineup in place for 2026 that we are very excited about.

Speaker #3: We believe this business is on track to return to top line growth next year . Mark will go into more detail shortly , but before doing that , I would like to call out a few things from a total company standpoint that were particularly notable in the third quarter and share some high level thoughts on our updated guidance for the year .

Speaker #3: First, excluding the impact of the 125% China tariffs, which we called out last quarter, normalized gross margin would have expanded by 40 basis points in the third quarter versus a year ago.

Speaker #3: Second, normalized overheads as a percent of sales declined approximately 120 basis points year over year. This marks the first reduction in three years as we realized savings from our realignment plan and technology investments.

Chris Peterson: Second, normalized overheads as a percent of sales declined approximately 120 basis points year over year, the first reduction in three years, as we realized savings from our realignment plan and technology investments. Third, advertising and promotion spending reached its highest rate as a percent of sales in nearly a decade, reflecting our commitment to invest in brand building and innovation, even in a soft demand environment. Fourth, Newell Brands Inc.'s balance sheet remained solid. Net debt ended the quarter at $4.5 billion, down from the prior year, and our leverage ratio dropped by 20 basis points versus the Q2. These proof points demonstrate that the fundamental structural economics of the company are much stronger today than before the transformation started.

Speaker #3: Third, advertising and promotion spending reached its highest rate as a percent of sales in nearly a decade, reflecting our commitment to invest in brand building and innovation.

Speaker #3: Even in a soft demand environment . Fourth , Newell's balance sheet remains solid . Net debt ended the quarter at 4.5 billion , down from the prior year , and our leverage ratio dropped by 20 basis points versus the second quarter .

Speaker #3: These proof points demonstrate that the fundamental structural economics of the company are much stronger today than before . The transformation started from a guidance standpoint , we are taking a more conservative view of consumer demand for the fourth quarter , and we now expect our categories in aggregate , to be down about 3% .

Chris Peterson: From a guidance standpoint, we are taking a more conservative view of consumer demand for the Q4, and we now expect our categories in aggregate to be down about 3%. We continue to expect sequential improvement in normalized profitability in the Q4 as we continue to drive productivity gains, disciplined overhead management, and pricing actions that protect structural margins. We also expect cash flow to strengthen sequentially as tariff-related costs subside and working capital improves. In closing, while near-term demand remains uneven, our strategy is working, and our teams are executing with focus, agility, and discipline. I want to thank all of our Newell Brands Inc. employees around the world for their continued resilience and execution in what remains a complex environment. Their focus and dedication make our progress possible.

Speaker #3: We continue to expect sequential improvement in normalized profitability in the fourth quarter , as we continue to drive productivity gains . Disciplined overhead management and pricing actions that protect structural margins .

Speaker #3: We also expect cash flow to strengthen sequentially as tariff related costs subside and working capital improves . In closing , while near-term demand remains uneven , our strategy is working and our teams are executing with focus , agility and discipline .

Speaker #3: I want to thank all of our employees around the world for their continued resilience and execution in what remains a complex environment.

Speaker #3: Their focus and dedication make our progress possible. With that, I'll turn it over to Marc to walk through the financial results and provide additional detail on our performance and outlook.

Speaker #4: Thanks , Chris . Good morning everyone . Third quarter net sales were down 7.2% and core sales declined 7.4% , with the difference mainly driven by favorable foreign exchange , normalized gross margin was 34.5% , down 90 basis points year over year as the positive impact from gross productivity and pricing was more than offset by headwinds from incremental tariff costs , inflation and volume declines .

Chris Peterson: With that, I'll turn it over to Mark to walk through the financial results and provide additional detail on our performance and outlook.

Mark Erceg: Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. Q3 net sales were down 7.2%, and core sales declined 7.4%, with the difference mainly driven by favorable foreign exchange. Normalized gross margin was 34.5%, down 90 basis points year over year, as the positive impact from gross productivity and pricing was more than offset by headwinds from incremental tariff costs, inflation, and volume declines. Excluding one-time incremental 125% China tariff costs of about $24 million, which we called out during our Q2 call, Q3 normalized gross margin would have expanded by 40 basis points year over year. Normalized operating margin was 8.9%, which was down 60 basis points versus last year, as a 120 basis point improvement in normalized overheads was more than offset by the previously mentioned reduction in gross margin and an 80 basis point increase in advertising and promotion dollars.

Speaker #4: Excluding one time incremental 125% , China tariff costs of about $24 million , which we called out during our Q2 call , Q3 normalized gross margin would have expanded by 40 basis points year over year .

Speaker #4: Normalized operating margin was 8.9%, which was down 60 basis points versus last year, as a 120 basis point improvement in normalized overheads was more than offset by the previously mentioned reduction in gross margin and an 80 basis point increase in advertising and promotion dollars.

Speaker #4: Excluding the impact of 125% China tariffs, Q3 normalized operating margin would have expanded by 80 basis points to 10.3% in the third quarter versus the year ago.

Mark Erceg: Excluding the impact of the 125% China tariffs, Q3 normalized operating margin would have expanded by 80 basis points to 10.3% in the Q3 versus a year ago. While Chris mentioned this earlier, it bears repeating. From this point going forward, we expect overheads as a percent of sales to continue declining over the next several quarters as efficiency work compounds and productivity-enhancing AI-based tools are widely leveraged across the company. Net interest expense of $83 million was up $8 million versus last year, and a normalized income tax provision of $6 million with an effective tax rate of 7.9% was recorded in Q3. This resulted in normalized diluted earnings per share of $0.17, which was within the guidance range provided three months ago and slightly ahead of last year.

Speaker #4: While Chris mentioned this earlier , it bears repeating from this point , going forward , we expect overheads as a percent of sales to continue declining over the next several quarters .

Speaker #4: As efficiency work compounds and productivity enhancing AI based tools are widely leveraged across the company . Net interest expense of $83 million was up $8 million versus last year , and a normalized income tax provision of $6 million with an effective tax rate of 7.9% , was recorded in Q3 .

Speaker #4: This resulted in normalized diluted earnings per share of $0.17, which was within the guidance range provided three months ago and slightly ahead of last year.

Speaker #4: Importantly, we were able to achieve this despite incurring about $55 million in net tariff expense, or approximately $0.11 per share, in the third quarter.

Mark Erceg: Importantly, we were able to achieve this despite incurring about $55 million of net tariff P&L expense, or approximately $0.11 per share, in the Q3. Year-to-date operating cash flow was $103 million versus $346 million last year. Given the importance of cash, let's take a few moments to fully unpack this situation. At the start of the year, we knew operating cash flow for 2025 was likely to be below 2024 levels for two reasons. First, we needed to pay out in early 2025 a well-above target bonus related to the 2024 performance year, which was considerably higher than the below-target bonus payout in early 2024 related to the 2023 performance year. Second, during 2024, we enjoyed outside working capital benefits, having reduced our cash conversion cycle by nine days.

Speaker #4: Year to date , operating cash flow was $103 million versus $346 million last year . And given the importance of cash . Let's take a few moments to fully unpack this situation .

Speaker #4: At the start of the year, we knew operating cash flow for 2025 was likely to be below 2024 levels for two reasons.

Speaker #4: First, we needed to pay out in early 2025 a well above target bonus related to the 2024 performance year, which was considerably higher than the below target bonus payout in early 2024.

Speaker #4: Related to the 2023 performance year . Second , during 2024 , we enjoyed outsized working capital benefits , having reduced our cash conversion cycle by nine days .

Speaker #4: Now , that being said , three quarters into 2025 , we are running behind plan as it relates to operating cash flow for several reasons .

Mark Erceg: Now, that being said, three quarters into 2025, we are running behind plan as it relates to operating cash flow for several reasons. First, we now expect to incur approximately $180 million of gross tariff cash impacts this year, which is up from $155 million from our last earnings call. The increase is driven by higher import volumes from China following our Q2 shipment pause, additional reciprocal tariffs on Southeast Asia and China, the August 18th Section 232 increase on steel and aluminum tariffs from 25% to 50%, and additional items having been added to the tariff registry. Second, the discrete items Chris cited that negatively impacted Q3 sales created excess inventory, which, as a practical matter, we will not be able to fully process through at this stage in the year.

Speaker #4: First, we now expect to incur approximately $180 million in gross tariff cash impacts this year, which is an increase from $155 million since our last earnings call.

Speaker #4: The increase is driven by higher import volumes from China following our second-quarter shipment. Pause. Additional reciprocal tariffs on Southeast Asia and China.

Speaker #4: The August 18th Section 232 increase on steel and aluminum tariffs from 25% to 50% and additional items having been added to the tariff registry.

Speaker #4: Second, the discrete items Chris cited that negatively impacted third quarter sales created excess inventory, which, as a practical matter, we will not be able to fully process through at this stage in the year.

Speaker #4: Finally, and I will speak more about this in just a few minutes, a reduced sales forecast and higher tariff costs for the full year.

Speaker #4: Leave us with less operating income than previously projected . Given these dynamics , our third quarter cash conversion cycle increased by about four days , but we still reduced our net leverage ratio down to 5.3 times , which was a 20 basis point improvement over last quarter .

Mark Erceg: Finally, and I will speak more about this in just a few minutes, a reduced sales forecast and higher tariff costs for the full year leave us with less operating income than previously projected. Given these dynamics, our Q3 cash conversion cycle increased by about four days, but we still reduced our net leverage ratio down to 5.3 times, which was a 20 basis point improvement over last quarter. Moving to the Q4 outlook, we expect net sales to decline 4% to 1% and core sales to decline 5% to 3%, with the difference being primarily driven by foreign exchange. Given this range, the core sales improvement we are calling for between Q3 actuals and the midpoint of our Q4 outlook of 3.5 points can be reconciled as follows.

Speaker #4: Moving to the fourth quarter outlook, we expect net sales to decline 4% to 1%, and core sales to decline 5% to 3%, with the difference being primarily driven by foreign exchange.

Speaker #4: Given this range , the core sales improvement we are calling for between third quarter actuals and the midpoint of our fourth quarter outlook of three and a half points can be reconciled as follows .

Speaker #4: First, we believe the bulk of any one-time retailer inventory transitions away from direct imports. Domestic fulfillment is now behind us.

Mark Erceg: First, we believe the bulk of any one-time retailer inventory transitions away from direct import to domestic fulfillment are now behind us. In addition, retailer inventories have, generally speaking, already taken the higher inventoryable value of products associated with tariffs and any reduction in open-to-buy dollars into account. Second, we expect our international business to return to growth in Q4 as Brazil recovers from the macroeconomic disruption that occurred during the Q3 and as consumer confidence improves following the Argentinian election, which incidentally and perhaps surprisingly is one of our top 10 international markets. Third, we have strengthened our Q4 promotion plans, and we are finally starting to see competitive price movement across several key categories, both of which should accelerate our unit velocity. Fourth, we expect to have more incremental tariff advantage wins in the Q4 than in the Q3.

Speaker #4: In addition , retailer inventories have , generally speaking , already taken the higher inventory value of products associated with tariffs and any reduction in open to buy dollars into account .

Speaker #4: Second, we expect our international business to return to growth in Q4 as Brazil recovers from the macroeconomic disruption that occurred during the third quarter.

Speaker #4: And as consumer confidence improves following the Argentinian election, which incidentally and perhaps surprisingly, is one of our top ten international markets.

Speaker #4: Third, we have strengthened our fourth quarter promotion plans, and we are finally starting to see competitive price movement across several key categories, both of which should accelerate our unit velocity.

Speaker #4: Fourth , we expect to have more incremental tariff advantaged wins in the fourth quarter than in the third . And finally , our fourth quarter innovation and marketing program is judgmentally the strongest .

Speaker #4: We will have fielded since the Jarden acquisition. Going a bit further into the P&L, normalized operating margin for the fourth quarter is expected to be between 9% and 9.5%, which includes a significant favorable overhead impact from well above-target incentive comp earned in the 2024 base period.

Mark Erceg: Finally, our Q4 innovation and marketing program is, judgmentally, the strongest we will have fielded since the Jarden acquisition. Going a bit further into the P&L, normalized operating margin for Q4 is expected to be between 9% and 9.5%, which includes a significant favorable overhead impact from well-above target incentive comp earned in the 2024 base period. With a tax rate in the low teens, normalized EPS is expected to be in the 16¢ to 20¢ range. Please note that this EPS range includes about $50 million or $0.10 per share of negative tariff impacts prior to any offsetting action. Turning to our full year 2025 financial projections, net sales are expected to decline 5% to 4.5%, and core sales are expected to decline 5% to 4%. Normalized operating margin should be in the range of 8.4% to 8.6%, and our EPS range is now $0.56 to $0.60.

Speaker #4: With a tax rate in the low teens, normalized EPS is expected to be in the 16 to 20 cent range. Please note that this EPS range includes about $50 million, or $0.10 per share, of negative tariff impacts prior to any offsetting action.

Speaker #4: Turning to our full year 2025 financial projections, net sales are expected to decline 5% to 4.5%, and core sales are expected to decline 5% to 4%.

Speaker #4: Normalized operating margin should be in the range of 8.4 to 8.6% , and our EPs range is now 56 to $0.60 . Within that range , we expect to incur a net 2025 PNL impact before any offsetting , mitigating actions of $115 million related to tariffs , 10 million of which came through in Q2 and 55 million of which came through in Q3 , leaving roughly 50 million in Q4 .

Mark Erceg: Within that range, we expect to incur a net 2025 P&L impact before any offsetting mitigating actions of $115 million related to tariffs, $10 million of which came through in Q2 and $55 million of which came through in Q3, leaving roughly $50 million in Q4. On a normalized EPS basis, this equates to approximately $0.23 per share, which impacted the second and third quarters by $0.02 and $0.11 respectively, leaving $0.10 for Q4. This updated normalized EPS range still assumes an effective tax rate in the mid-teens and includes a higher level of expected interest expense due to our refinancing in May of this year. Finally, we are updating our full year operating cash flow guidance range to $250 million to $300 million, which incorporates our prior commentary regarding Q3 actuals and our Q4 estimates.

Speaker #4: On a normalized EPs basis , this equates to approximately $0.23 per share , which impacted the second and third quarters by two and $0.11 , respectively , leaving $0.10 for the fourth quarter .

Speaker #4: This updated, normalized EPs range still assumes an effective tax rate in the mid-teens and includes a higher level of expected interest expense due to our refinancing in May of this year.

Speaker #4: Finally, we are updating our full-year operating cash flow guidance range to $250 to $300 million, which incorporates our prior commentary regarding third quarter actuals and our fourth quarter estimates.

Speaker #4: We acknowledge this is considerably lower than when the year began, but it would also be fair to recognize that $180 million in incremental cash tariff impacts has had a negative impact on our in-year cash generation.

Mark Erceg: We acknowledge this is considerably lower than when the year began, but it would also be fair to recognize that $180 million in incremental cash tariff impacts has had a negative impact on our end-year cash generation. Typically, we hold commentary related to the upcoming fiscal year for our Q4 earnings call. However, given the importance of cash and being mindful of our leverage ratio, we now expect to end the year at about five times. There are a few things we would like to point out today relative to 2026. Specifically, we expect operating cash flow to strengthen significantly next year as both cash taxes and incentive compensation decline year over year. In addition, based on our preliminary reviews, we expect 2026 CapEx spending to be meaningfully below 2025 levels, since several major IT and supply chain initiatives will be behind us.

Speaker #4: Typically , we hold commentary related to the upcoming fiscal year for our fourth quarter earnings call . However , given the importance of cash and being mindful of our leverage ratio , we now expect to end the year at about five times .

Speaker #4: There are a few things we would like to point out today relative to 2026. Specifically, we expect operating cash flow to strengthen significantly next year as both cash taxes and incentive compensation declined year over year.

Speaker #4: In addition, based on our preliminary reviews, we expect 2026 CapEx spending to be meaningfully below 2025 levels, since several major IT and supply chain initiatives will be behind us.

Speaker #4: Finally, we expect our cash conversion cycle to drop next year and working capital to improve as this year's tariff inventory effects normalize.

Mark Erceg: Finally, we expect our cash conversion cycle to drop next year and working capital to improve as this year's tariff inventory effects normalize. Before handing things off to the operator for your questions, we would like to offer three quick closing thoughts. First, while the macro environment remains fluid, we're confident our strategy is working. Looking ahead, we'll work to broaden distribution and continue to bring fewer but bigger and better-supported product and commercial innovations to market. In fact, right now, we have plans to launch over 20 gross margin accretive, differentiated, and consumer-relevant Tier 1 or Tier 2 propositions next year. Second, these innovations, along with our base business, will be supported by more effective advertising at higher rates for longer periods of time.

Speaker #4: Before handing things off to the operator for your questions , we would like to offer three quick closing thoughts . First , while the macro environment remains fluid , we're confident our strategy is working .

Speaker #4: Looking ahead, we'll work to broaden distribution and continue to bring fewer, but bigger and better-supported product and commercial innovations to market.

Speaker #4: In fact , right now we have plans to launch over 20 gross margin accretive , differentiated and consumer relevant tier one or tier two propositions next year .

Speaker #4: Second, these innovations, along with our base business, will be supported by more effective advertising at higher rates for longer periods of time.

Speaker #4: Finally, while challenges have arguably set us back a couple of quarters on our journey towards a positive and sustained inflection in top-line sales and additional balance sheet deleveraging, we continue to march forward with confidence and conviction that Newell Brands' best days still lie ahead.

Mark Erceg: Finally, while tariffs have arguably set us back a couple of quarters on our journey towards a positive and sustained inflection in top-line sales and additional balance sheet deleveraging, we continue to march forward with confidence and conviction that Newell Brands Inc.'s best days still lie ahead. Of course, I would be remiss if I didn't echo Chris Peterson's comments about how proud we have been by the way in which the Newell team has proactively addressed the unique challenges that have been presented this year. The team's agility, resilience, and professionalism have been on full display throughout the year, and Chris Peterson and I are honored to be part of the positive transformation being effected at Newell Brands Inc. Operator, we'll now open the call to questions.

Speaker #4: And of course, I would be remiss if I didn't echo Chris's comments about how proud we have been by the way in which the Newell team has proactively addressed the unique challenges that have been presented.

Speaker #4: This year, the team's agility, resilience, and professionalism have been on full display throughout the year, and Chris and I are honored to be part of the positive transformation.

Speaker #4: Being affected at Newell Brands. Operator: We'll now open the call to questions.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Your first question comes from Lauren Lieberman with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Hey . Good morning guys . So I have a lot of questions . First off , we were all together in September , right ?

Operator: Thank you. Your first question comes from Lauren Lieberman with Barclays. Your line is open.

[Analyst]: Hey, good morning, guys. I have a lot of questions. First off, we were all together in September, right, and you had an opportunity to publicly comment on trends. I know back-to-school, the season itself was still very early. The shortfall here wasn't just back-to-school, obviously. First, can we talk about when you had a sense of what was going on from an organic sales standpoint? The miss is stark, to say the least, and there's a number of drivers here, all of which, given your connectivity with retailers, I would have thought you would have had better visibility into by that point in the quarter. Thanks.

Speaker #5: And you had an opportunity to publicly comment on trends . And I know back to school was still the season itself was still very early , but the shortfall here wasn't just back to school , obviously .

Speaker #5: So first, can we talk about when you had a sense of what was going on from an organic sales standpoint? Because the miss is stark, to say the least.

Speaker #5: And there are a number of drivers here, all of which, given your connectivity with retailers, I would have thought you would have had better visibility into by that point in the quarter.

Speaker #5: Thanks .

Speaker #3: Yeah . Thanks , Lauren . So if you look at the three factors that caused the miss , we knew that retailer inventory was going to decline in the third quarter .

Chris Peterson: Yeah, thanks, Lauren. If you look at the three factors that caused the miss, we knew that retailer inventory was going to decline in Q3, and in fact, we had talked about that. We thought we had appropriately captured that in our guidance. However, the magnitude of the retailer inventory reduction manifested itself much more significantly than what we expected in the month of September. For example, we didn't know on the home fragrance business that retailers were not going to reorder the new product because they were going to be liquidating the old product. That really manifested in the month of September after the back-to-school conference. The second thing is the international business. The international business, which had been tracking for six quarters in a row in positive growth, really fell apart in September.

Speaker #3: And in fact , we had talked about that . And we thought we had appropriately captured that in our guidance . However , the magnitude of the retailer inventory reduction manifested itself much more significantly than what we expected in the month of September .

Speaker #3: And , and , and so , for example , we didn't know on the home fragrance business that retailers were not going to reorder the new product because they were going to be liquidating the old product .

Speaker #3: That really manifested in the month of September after the back to school conference . The second thing is the international business , the international business , which had been tracking for six quarters in a row in positive growth , really fell apart in September .

Speaker #3: And , you know , for perspective , Brazil , which is one of our top five markets , ended the quarter down 25% .

Chris Peterson: For perspective, Brazil, which is one of our top five markets, ended the quarter down 25%. Brazil had been growing in high single digits pretty consistently. That really manifested itself much more dramatically in September after the administration put a 50% tariff on Brazil. We didn't know that was going to happen. Likewise, in Argentina, which is one of our top 10 markets, there was an election coming up for the president. President's party in Argentina. That caused retailers in the month of September to effectively stop ordering. We went from a business that was doing very well there to a very negative situation in September. That sort of surprised us. I think the third thing was we took aggressive pricing action, as we were very public about. Our third round of pricing went into the market July 28th and was starting to get reflected at retail in early September.

Speaker #3: And Brazil had been growing in high single digits pretty consistently. That really manifested itself much more dramatically in September after the administration put a 50% tariff on Brazil.

Speaker #3: We didn't know that was going to happen. Likewise, in Argentina, which is one of our top ten markets, there was an election coming up.

Speaker #3: The for the president president's party in Argentina that caused retailers in the month of September to effectively stop ordering . So we went from a business that was doing very well there to a to a very negative situation .

Speaker #3: In September . And so that that sort of surprised us . And then I think the third thing was , you know , we took aggressive pricing action as we as we were very public about our third round of pricing went into the market July 28th and was was starting to get reflected at retail in early September .

Speaker #3: We expected our competitors to follow . And what happened was in a number of categories , not in all , but in a number of categories .

Chris Peterson: We expected our competitors to follow. What happened was, in a number of categories, not in all, but in a number of categories, we got scraped by competitors who did not price. That also began to manifest itself more significantly in the month of September. I think the month of September, as we've been pretty public about, is the largest month in Q3. It always has been. That's what caught us by surprise, the confluence of those three factors, which really were back-end weighted in the quarter.

Speaker #3: We got scraped by competitors who did not price, and that also began to manifest itself more significantly in the month of September.

Speaker #3: So I think the month of September, as we've been pretty public about, is the largest month in the third quarter. It always has been.

Speaker #3: And so , you know , that's that that's what caught us by surprise was the confluence of those three factors , which really were back end weighted in the quarter .

Speaker #5: Okay . And then just following up on that aggressive pricing piece , let's talk about if we can categories , because I know baby , obviously you needed to price .

[Analyst]: Okay. Just following up on that aggressive pricing piece, let's talk about, if we can, categories. I know baby, obviously, you needed to price. That's your one big category that was unavoidable in terms of tariffs. On the others, I would not have thought your pricing needed to be, let's put it that aggressive, given your lower tariff exposure. I'm just surprised that you were on—maybe I missed something—but kind of caught off sides. You were kind of caught off sides on pricing in categories where tariffs are not a big impact for you or shouldn't have been.

Speaker #5: That's your one big category. That was unavoidable in terms of tariffs. But on the others, I would not have thought your pricing needed to be, let's put it that aggressive.

Speaker #5: Given your lower tariff exposure, I’m just surprised that you were on. Maybe I missed something, but it kind of caught me offsides.

Speaker #5: You were kind of caught offsides on pricing in categories where tariffs are not a big impact for you or shouldn't have been.

Speaker #3: Yeah. So about 45% of our U.S. business is imported from outside the U.S., and we've been talking about diversifying our risk profile.

Chris Peterson: About 45% of our U.S. business is imported from outside the U.S., and we've been talking about diversifying our risk profile there, which we've been making good progress on. Interestingly, the baby pricing went reasonably well. Cumulatively, between the three price increases on baby gear, we've taken prices up close to 24%. Competition has largely followed in that category. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we actually gained share in Q3. Although the baby sales were down, the POS on baby was up significantly. It was more a function of the retailer shift from direct import to domestic delivery from one of the largest retailers in the country that put a temporary reduction on revenue in the baby business. The place where we really got caught offside was much more related to the kitchen business. On the kitchen business, we had brands like Calphalon, Mr.

Speaker #3: There , which we've been making good progress on . Interestingly , the baby pricing went reasonably well . So , you know , cumulatively between the three price increases on baby gear , we've taken prices up close to 24% .

Speaker #3: Competition has largely followed in that category. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we actually gained share in the third quarter.

Speaker #3: And so, although the baby sales were down, the POS on baby was up significantly. It was more a function of the retailer shift from direct import to domestic delivery from one of the largest retailers in the country.

Speaker #3: That put a temporary reduction on revenue in the baby business. The place where we really got caught offside was much more related to the kitchen business.

Speaker #3: So on the kitchen business , we had brands like Calphalon , Mr. Coffee , Crock-Pot that are imported from Asia , some of which from China , and we priced to recover the structural economics and and and competitors basically didn't follow us during this period .

Chris Peterson: Coffee, Crock-Pot that are imported from Asia, some of which from China. We priced to recover the structural economics, and competitors basically didn't follow us during this period. Part of that is understandable because we generally are the market leader in the categories in which we play, and competitors may have been waiting to see what we did before they took action. The pricing that we put in the market turned out to position us as being uncompetitive in those businesses that are primarily sourced businesses.

Speaker #3: Now, part of that is understandable because, you know, we generally are the market leader in the categories in which we play.

Speaker #3: And , you know , competitors may have been waiting to see what we did before they took action . But the pricing that we put in the market turned out to , to position us as being uncompetitive .

Speaker #3: And those businesses that are primarily sourced businesses.

Speaker #5: Okay , great . And then last thing , and then I'll pass it along the I guess that's two questions , but just the direct import to direct delivery shift that I know you had spoken to .

[Analyst]: Okay. Great. Last thing, and then I'll pass it along. I guess it's two questions. The direct import to direct delivery shift that I know you had spoken to—was it bigger? I think it was supposed to be a one-point shift, Q2 to Q4. I just wanted to check on that. Also, the headwind from tariffs. I don't know if I was interpreting correctly, but the $24 million in the quarter, I think that's about half of what it was anticipated to be. Was there a shift? Also, part of the profit headwind we're going to see in Q4 is flow-through of tariff timing because of the slower sales growth. You didn't sell through as much of that on-the-water tariffed inventory in Q3, and so you're seeing more of the hit in Q4.

Speaker #5: So was it bigger ? I think it was supposed to be a one point shift . Three Q to three , four to Q4 .

Speaker #5: So I just wanted to check on that . And then also just the headwind from tariff , I don't know if it was interpreting correctly , but the 24 million in the quarter , I think that's about half of what it was anticipated to be .

Speaker #5: So, was there a shift also part of the profit headwind we're going to see in Q4? Is flow-through of tariff timing because of the slower sales growth?

Speaker #5: So you didn't sell through as much of that on the water tariff inventory in three . Q and so you're seeing more of the hit in four Q .

Speaker #3: Yeah. So on the tariff side, I think the $24 million that Mark was talking about was just the one-time tariff from the 125% that that manifested itself.

Chris Peterson: Yeah. On the tariff side, I think the $24 million that Mark was talking about was just the one-time tariff from the 125% that manifested itself. The total tariff hit in Q3 was much bigger than that, which was $0.11. I think that was roughly what we thought. I don't think there was a change in sort of tariff expectation on that. Relative to the retail inventory reduction, I think when we started, when we guided for Q2 or for Q3, I'm sorry, we expected retailer inventory reduction to be about a point of headwind from the DI to direct delivery switch that we knew about heading into the quarter. We believe that, based on the data we have, it was about two points more than that.

Speaker #3: But the total tariff hit in Q3 was much bigger than that, which was $0.11. And I think that was roughly what we thought.

Speaker #3: So I don't think there was a change in tariff expectation on that relative to the retail inventory reduction . I think when we when we started , when we guided for Q2 or for Q3 , I'm sorry , we expected retailer inventory reduction to be about a point of headwind from the Di to direct delivery switch that we knew about heading into the quarter .

Speaker #3: We believe that based on the data we have , that it was about two points more than that , not all because of direct import to direct to domestic delivery , but also because of this .

Speaker #3: Retailers pulling back on on inventory on things like the home fragrance restage . So we think we were expecting sort of a one point headwind from retail inventory reduction .

Chris Peterson: Not all because of direct import to direct to domestic delivery, but also because of retailers pulling back on inventory on things like the home fragrance restage. We were expecting sort of a one-point headwind from retail inventory reduction. We think in the quarter, we wound up with more like a three-point headwind from retail inventory reduction.

Speaker #3: We think in the quarter we wound up with more like a three-point headwind from retail inventory reduction.

Speaker #5: Okay . All right . Great . I'll pass it on . Thanks so much .

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Filippo with Citi. Your line is open.

[Analyst]: Okay. All right. Great. I'll pass it on. Thanks so much.

Speaker #6: Hi. Good morning, everyone. So, Chris, obviously you mentioned a very challenging environment on the macro side, and you're revising your category growth down by 3%.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Filippo Falorni with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.

[Analyst]: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Chris, obviously, you mentioned a very challenging environment on the macro side, and you're revising your category growth down 3%. What's the visibility there? I know this number has been revised down a couple of times this year. I know it's challenging to forecast, but what gives you the confidence that this 3% is the run rate? To follow up on Q4, your core sales guidance assumed worse than category. Is there an assumption in Q4 of further destocking at the retailer level or market share losses? Thank you.

Speaker #6: I guess . What's the visibility there ? I know these numbers have been revised down a couple of times this this year . And I know it's challenging to forecast , but what gives you the confidence that this 3% is the run rate .

Speaker #6: And then just a follow up on Q4 , your core sales guidance assume worse than category . Is that is there an assumption in Q4 of further destocking at the retailer level or market share losses ?

Speaker #6: Thank you .

Speaker #3: Yeah . So we you know , not when we thought about the Q4 guide . You know , obviously , we we wanted to set the Q4 guide in a place that recognized that we've just come off of a miss in Q3 .

Chris Peterson: When we thought about the Q4 guide, obviously, we wanted to set the Q4 guide in a place that recognized that we've just come off of a miss in Q3. The category has been running down kind of around 2 to 3%. We took the more conservative view relative to Q4 at setting it at minus 3%. We also, because of this price scrape experience, wanted to build in some potential for that price scrape experience to continue into Q4. We guided, I think, down 3% to down 5%. The down 3% would assume the high end of our range would assume that we grow in line with the market. The down 5% end of the range would assume primarily that we get price scraped in a meaningful way and that continues.

Speaker #3: And so, you know, the category has been running down kind of around 2% to 3%. We took the more conservative view relative to Q4 at setting it at minus 3.

Speaker #3: And then we also because of this price , scrape experience , you know , we wanted to build in some potential for that price scrape experience to continue into Q4 .

Speaker #3: And so we guided , I think , down three to down five . The down three would would assume the high end of our range would assume that we grow in line with the market .

Speaker #3: The the down five end of the range would assume primarily that we that we get price scraped in a meaningful way in that continues .

Speaker #3: We think we've taken remedial action to get our pricing more competitive . As I mentioned in the prepared remarks , but we didn't want to go into Q4 overpromising relative to what we're seeing on those two factors .

Chris Peterson: We think we've taken remedial action to get our pricing more competitive, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks. We didn't want to go into Q4 overpromising relative to what we're seeing on those two factors. That's what informed our guide for Q4.

Speaker #3: So that that's what informed our guide for Q4 .

Speaker #6: Got it . And then just on the categories and like in your share gains and the potential for increasing shelf space in your categories , where you are manufacturing advantage versus your competition , like do you feel that you're we're going to see more of that in Q4 or is that a bigger opportunity for 26 ?

[Analyst]: Got it. On the categories and your share gains and the potential for increasing shelf space in your categories where you have manufacturing advantage versus your competition, do you feel that we're going to see more of that in Q4, or is that a bigger opportunity for Q6?

Speaker #3: We think both. So we have said earlier that, in our tariff advantage categories, we have been proactively selling to get incremental shelf space and incremental merchandising.

Chris Peterson: We think both. We had said earlier that in our tariff advantage categories, we have been proactively selling to get incremental shelf space and incremental merchandising. We remain on track for $35 million of additional business this year. That number has not changed relative to what we expect this year, and more of that is coming in Q4 than was in Q3, which is a reason for sequential improvement. As we go into next year, we're more optimistic that number is going to be bigger in Q6 versus Q5. It bears repeating, we're also pretty optimistic about where we're heading in calendar year 2026. The reason for that is because, as Mark mentioned in the prepared remarks, we have now over 20 tier one and tier two initiatives lined up, ready to launch next year. Our perspective in 2023, when we started the turnaround effort, we had one.

Speaker #3: We remain on track for $35 million of additional business this year . That number has not changed relative to what we expect this year .

Speaker #3: And more of that is coming in Q4 than was in Q3, which is a reason for sequential improvement as we go into next year.

Speaker #3: We're more optimistic that number is going to be bigger in 26 versus 25 . We're also , it bears repeating , pretty optimistic about where we're heading in .

Speaker #3: In calendar year 2026 . And the reason for that is because , as Mark mentioned in the prepared remarks , we have now over 20 tier one and tier two initiatives lined up ready to launch next year for perspective , in 20 .

Speaker #3: In 2023 , when we started the turnaround effort , we had 1 in 24 . We went to eight . This year . We launched 15 .

Speaker #3: Next year it'll be over 20 . So and if you look at those innovations that we're launching next year , they really span every segment .

Chris Peterson: In 2024, we went to eight. This year, we launched 15. Next year, it'll be over 20. If you look at those innovations that we're launching next year, they really span every segment. I think I mentioned in my prepared remarks, including outdoor and rec, which was the one that we've been pretty clear was going to take until 2026 until we got the innovation ready to launch. We've got a full slate of innovation launching next year. The retailer reaction to the innovation has been very strong. In fact, a number of our leading retailers have commented it's the strongest innovation portfolio they've seen from Newell Brands Inc. in over 10 years.

Speaker #3: And I think I mentioned in my prepared remarks, including outdoor and rec, which was the one that we've been pretty clear was going to take until 2026 until we got the innovation ready to launch.

Speaker #3: So we've got a full slate of innovation launching next year . The retailer reaction to the innovation has been very strong . In fact , a number of our leading retailers have commented it's it's the strongest innovation portfolio they've seen from Newell in over ten years .

Speaker #3: We also know that as we head into next into both in Q4 and into next year , that from the line reviews that we've had , our net distribution is turning positive in Q4 , and we expect that to accelerate as we go into next year .

Chris Peterson: We also know that as we head into both Q4 and next year, from the line reviews that we've had, our net distribution is turning positive in Q4, and we expect that to accelerate as we go into next year. We think we're taking the right action to get the company growing faster than the market growth, and we think that we're set up in a positive way as we head into 2026.

Speaker #3: So we think we're we're taking the right action to get the company growing faster than the market growth . we think that that we're set up in a in a positive way as we head into 2026 .

Speaker #3: And

Speaker #6: Got it . Thank you so much . Good .

Speaker #1: Thank you . Our next question comes from Peter Grom with UBS . Your line is open .

Speaker #1: Thank you . Our next question comes from Peter Grom with

[Analyst]: Got it. Thank you so much, Chris.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Peter Grohme with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker #7: everyone . So I wanted to ask a follow up to that . And it's just kind of a clarification on the category growth and the guidance .

[Analyst]: Great. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I wanted to ask a follow-up to that. It's just kind of a clarification on the category growth and the guidance. I apologize if I missed this, but the 3% down assumption versus, call it, currently running down 2% to 3%. The commentary that it's coming off a miss versus expectations, which I think would suggest that you're embedding some flexibility here. I guess I'm just curious on the category assumption because it does seem like when you listen to other companies in CPG or other consumer sectors, it seems like there's a lot of consumer uncertainty. In many ways, trends are actually getting worse sequentially. Is it not plausible that the category would deteriorate to kind of that 3% number as we move through the balance of the year? Is there something I'm kind of missing there?

Speaker #7: And I apologize if I missed this, but the 3% down assumption versus, call it currently running down 2% to 3%, and the commentary that it's coming off of Miss versus expectations, which I think would suggest that you're embedding some flexibility here.

Speaker #7: But I guess I'm just curious on that . The category assumption , because it does seem like when you listen to other companies , you know , in CPG or other consumer sectors , it seems like there's a lot of consumer uncertainty .

Speaker #7: is there something I'm kind of missing there ?

Speaker #3: No , I think I think it's certainly plausible . It's , you know , we meet with a number of different . Input sources , including people like Sakana .

Chris Peterson: I think it's certainly plausible. We meet with a number of different input sources, including people like Circana. We obviously talk to retailers about their outlook, and we look at macroeconomic forecasts as we try to estimate the market growth. I would say that the two biggest themes that we're seeing relative to the consumer standpoint and general merchandise more broadly are, number one, there is a significant pullback among the low-income consumer households. It is notable low-income consumers remain under a lot of pressure, and their purchase behavior in general merchandise is down significantly versus a year ago for the bottom third of U.S. households. That trend has been continuing. We haven't seen it accelerate or decelerate, but it remains a headwind for the category.

Speaker #3: We obviously talk to retailers about their outlook, and we look at macroeconomic forecasts as we try to estimate the market growth.

Speaker #3: I would say that the two biggest themes that we're seeing to the consumer standpoint in general , merchandise more broadly is , number one , there is a significant pullback among the low income consumer households .

Speaker #3: So it is notable that low-income consumers remain under a lot of pressure, and their purchase behavior in general is affected. Merchandise sales are down significantly versus a year ago for the bottom third of U.S. households.

Speaker #3: And that trend has has been continuing . We haven't seen it accelerate or decelerate , but it remains a headwind for the category .

Speaker #3: The other notable trend that we're seeing from an age group is that the younger consumer , those 18 to 24 , also are pulling back significantly on general merchandise purchases and that trend has been with us for a little while now .

Chris Peterson: The other notable trend that we're seeing from an age group is that the younger consumer, those 18 to 24, also are pulling back significantly on general merchandise purchases. That trend has been with us for a little while now, and we think that trend is also relatively stable. I think we felt like setting the category growth rate assumption sort of at the low end of what we've seen so far was the right place to head into Q4 from an assumption standpoint, based on what we've seen across all of the data that we look at.

Speaker #3: And we think that trend is also , you know , relatively stable . So I think we felt like , you know , setting the the category growth rate assumption , sort of at the low end of , of of what we've seen so far , was the right was the right place to , to head into Q4 from a assumption standpoint based on what we've seen across all of the all of the data that we look at .

Speaker #7: Okay , that's helpful . And then I guess , Mark , you kind of mentioned that terrorists pushed back the return to sales growth by a couple of quarters .

[Analyst]: Okay, that's helpful. Mark, you kind of mentioned that tariffs pushed back the return to sales growth by a couple of quarters. The commentary to Filippo's question was helpful just in your confidence in the ability to outperform. Just, I don't know, given the exit rate, do you have any initial views on how we should be thinking about category growth or sales growth looking out to 2026?

Speaker #7: And the commentary to Philippe's question was helpful . Just in your confidence in your ability to outperform . But just I don't know , given the exit rate , do you have any initial views on how we should be thinking about category growth or sales growth ?

Speaker #7: Looking out to 26 .

Speaker #4: I think what I would say is at this point in time , you know , as Chris indicated , we're going to be a little bit conservative on our category growth rate assumptions .

Speaker #4: We haven't guided to anything with respect to 26. But I do think this might be a good opportunity to, you know, at least share an observation.

Chris Peterson: I think what I would say is at this point in time, as Chris indicated, we're going to be a little bit conservative on our category growth rate assumptions. We haven't guided to anything with respect to 2026, but I do think this might be a good opportunity to at least share an observation. Certainly, we all had wished when we started this year that we were going to grow the top line at a better rate than we were obviously going to demonstrate. We have to take into account the context, and we also have to take into account how the company was able to respond to the challenges that we faced. We've had $180 million of gross cash impacts and $155 million of net P&L effects that we've been speaking to as far as where we find ourselves. That equates to $0.23 a share of headwind.

Speaker #4: Certainly , we all had wished when we started this year that we were going to grow the top line at a better rate than we were obviously going to demonstrate .

Speaker #4: But we have to take into account the context , and we also have to take into account how the company was able to respond to the challenges that we faced .

Speaker #4: You know, we've had $180 million of gross cash impacts and $155 million of net P&L effects that we've been speaking to as far as where we find ourselves.

Speaker #4: That equates to $0.23 a share of headwind . And if you look at where we are now currently guiding , it's effectively 56 to $0.60 .

Speaker #4: So called the midpoint of that 58 . Last year , we did $0.68 a share , but we had a 7% tax rate .

Chris Peterson: If you look at where we are now currently guiding, it's effectively $0.56 to $0.60. Call the midpoint of that $0.58. Last year, we did $0.68 a share, but we had a 7% tax rate. If you adjust for that, that would basically be on an equivalized base of $0.62 last year. Our guidance range right now at the midpoint is $0.58 versus $0.62, and we have a $0.23 headwind. If we look at our EBITDA estimates for this year, they'll be about $900 million. Last year was $900 million. Our leverage ratio will be 5. Last year, it was 5.

Speaker #4: If you adjust for that , that would basically be on an basis $0.62 . Last year . So our guidance range right now at the midpoint is 58 versus 62 .

Speaker #4: And we have a 23 cent headwind . You know , if we look at our EBITDA estimates for this year , there'll be about 900 .

Speaker #4: Last year was 900 . Our leverage ratio will be five . Last year it was five . So clearly while we have , you know , had to take some , you know , impacts from the top line effects from the international markets slowing from retailers pulling back on inventory from us , leading on price .

Chris Peterson: Clearly, while we have had to take some impacts from the top line effects from the international market slowing, from retailers pulling back on inventory, from us leading on price, if you really look through all of that, I think the company has demonstrated an ability to react and react well and swiftly. We've been able to keep the integrity of the financial structure of the company moving forward. As we look forward to 2026, we're more optimistic. The challenges that we've given voice to today, we really do think are temporal. We're going to get back to the base fundamentals of our category innovation, our consumer innovation. We're going to be out there leading across a whole range of fronts. We're actually very excited about it. The category is going to do what the category is going to do.

Speaker #4: If you really look through all of that , I think the company has demonstrated an ability to react and react well and swiftly , and we've been able to , you know , keep the integrity of the financial structure of the company moving forward .

Speaker #4: So as we look forward to 26 , you know , we're more optimistic . The challenges that we've given voice to today , we really do think are temporal .

Speaker #4: And we're going to get back to the base fundamentals of our category innovation , our consumer innovation . And we're going to be out there , you know , leading across a whole range of fronts .

Speaker #4: So we're actually very excited about it . The category is going to do what the category is going to do . But the things we are driving and we can affect , we feel very , very good about , and we're definitely in a much better position today than we were when this , you know , calendar year started .

Chris Peterson: The things we are driving and we can affect, we feel very, very good about it. We're definitely in a much better position today than we were when this calendar year started.

Speaker #7: Great. Thank you so much. I'll pass it on.

Speaker #1: Thank you . Our next question comes from Andrea Teixeira with JP Morgan . Your line is open .

[Analyst]: Great, thank you so much. I'll pass it on.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrea Teixeira with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker #8: Thank you . Good morning . I was hoping to see if you can comment a bit on your visibility in regards to the inventory destocking that you spoke about .

[Analyst]: Thank you. Good morning. I was hoping to see if you can comment a bit on your visibility in regards to the inventory destocking that you spoke about. Sorry if I missed some of the nuances. That's one question. The second question is, have you taken pricing in Brazil and in some of these countries ahead of this or not ahead because of the tariffs? The third point is, can you comment a little bit on the exit rate? It sounds as if because you took pricing ahead of your competitors, and now you did mention on the release that as you saw pricing coming through, you saw better consumer-like take. I mean, obviously, we don't see everything in the scanner. Can you comment to that?

Speaker #8: And sorry if I missed some of the nuances , but the . So that's one question . And then the second question is that have you taken pricing in Brazil and in some of these countries ahead of this or not ?

Speaker #8: Ahead because of the tariffs ? And then the third point is , can you comment a little bit on the exit rate ? It sounds as if because you took pricing ahead of your competitors and then now you did mention on the release that as you saw pricing coming through , you saw better consumer like take , can you ?

Speaker #8: I mean , we don't see obviously we don't see everything in scanner . Can you comment to that ? Like how how are you seeing that consumer coming back or kind of the price gaps narrowing relative to what maybe maybe it would be helpful in writing in particularly to see how the price gaps have narrowed or back to historicals .

[Analyst]: How are you seeing that consumer coming back or kind of the price gaps narrowing relative to what maybe it would be helpful in writing, particularly to see how the price gaps have narrowed or back to historicals? Thank you.

Speaker #8: Thank you .

Speaker #3: Okay , let me try to take those in turn on the inventory . Destocking . We have pretty good visibility on if a if a customer is going to move from direct import to domestic delivery , they give us significant few weeks or months of notice on that , because we've got to manage that with them to make sure we have the inventory on shore before they start ordering .

Chris Peterson: Okay. Let me try to take those in turn. On the inventory destocking, we have pretty good visibility on if a customer is going to move from direct import to domestic delivery. They give us significant notice, a few weeks or months, on that because we've got to manage that with them to make sure we have the inventory on shore before they start ordering. We typically get a month or maybe two of lead time notice on that. We have accomplished all of that move that we've been notified of, and our amount of business that is direct import today is much lower than it has been at any point previously. I think at one point it was 10% of our U.S. business. It's down now probably to about 5% of our U.S. business with the most recent moves.

Speaker #3: So we typically get a month, or maybe two, of lead time notice on that. We have accomplished all of the moves that we've been notified of.

Speaker #3: And our amount of business that is direct import today is much lower than it has been at any point previously . I think at one point it was 10% of our US business .

Speaker #3: It's down now probably to about 5% of our US business with the most recent moves . So as we stand here today on that shift , we do not believe that there's any additional shift from direct import to domestic delivery that we're going to face in either Q4 or going into next year that we know about .

Chris Peterson: As we stand here today on that shift, we do not believe that there's any additional shift from direct import to domestic delivery that we're going to face in either Q4 or going into next year that we know about. We have not been notified on any additional categories. That one, we feel we've got pretty good visibility to, and we don't believe that will be a go-forward topic that we're going to talk about because we believe that one-time impact really hit us in Q3 and is now in the rearview mirror. Relative to retail inventory beyond that shift in delivery method, we get reasonable visibility primarily because many of our retailers, we have access in their systems to look at their weeks of cover on our business.

Speaker #3: We have not been notified on any additional categories . So that one , we feel we've got pretty good visibility to and we don't believe that will be a go forward topic that we're going to talk about because we believe that one time impact really hit us in Q3 and is now in the rear view mirror relative to retail inventory .

Speaker #3: Beyond that shift in delivery method , we get reasonable visibility primarily because many of our retailers , we have access in their systems to look at their weeks of cover on our business .

Speaker #3: And as we look at the weeks of cover on our on our on our business , our customer teams are flagging where we think we have risk from retailer inventories being to high relative to what they need from a replenishment standpoint .

Chris Peterson: As we look at the weeks of cover on our business, our customer teams are flagging where we think we have risk from retailer inventories being too high relative to what they need from a replenishment standpoint. It's not a perfect science. Typically, in our categories, retailers might hold 8 to 10 weeks of inventory throughout their system. Could they move the retail inventory up or down by a week or two? Yes. When we start to get concerned is when they are three or four weeks either too high or too low. As we sit here today, we don't see that. We believe that the retailer inventories are, at our largest customers where we have visibility, consistent with historical norms. We don't believe that retailer inventories are out of line relative to historical norms.

Speaker #3: It's not a perfect science . Typically in our categories , retailers might hold 8 to 10 weeks of inventory throughout their system and could they move the retail inventory up or down by a week or two ?

Speaker #3: Yes . When we start to get concerned is when they are 3 or 4 weeks , either too high or too low ? As we sit here today , we don't see that .

Speaker #3: We believe that the retailer inventories are at our largest customers , where we have visibility consistent with historical norms . So we don't believe that retailer inventories are out of out of line relative to historical norms .

Speaker #3: And that's why we said in the prepared remarks that we think that retailer inventory headwind is , is is now behind us from from what we can see on the pricing side .

Chris Peterson: That's why we said in the prepared remarks that we think that retailer inventory headwind is now behind us from what we can see. On the pricing side, I'll start with Brazil. We did take pricing in Brazil in certain categories. When the tariffs went into effect, we saw in that market both a significant macro slowdown and, in the categories where we took pricing, we got scraped from a pricing standpoint. We had a double impact in the Brazil market that affected our business. We have since corrected our pricing actions in those markets to be more competitive. We believe the macro environment, which was negatively impacted, is starting to stabilize in that market. The other one that I'll mention is in Argentina. It wasn't so much a pricing dynamic.

Speaker #3: I'll start with start with Brazil . We did take pricing in Brazil in certain categories when the tariffs went into effect . And and we saw in that market both a significant macro slowdown and in the categories where we took pricing , we got scraped from a pricing standpoint .

Speaker #3: So we had a double impact in the Brazil market that affected our business . We have since corrected our pricing actions in those markets to be more competitive and we believe the macro environment , which was negatively impacted , is starting to stabilize in that market .

Speaker #3: The other one that I'll mention is in Argentina , it wasn't so much a pricing dynamic . There was a significant concern in that market around the elections that happened last Sunday relative to President Miller's party and whether they were going to be voted in or out of power effectively , his party wound up doing better than I think what anybody expected that is reinvigorated confidence in the economy .

Chris Peterson: There was a significant concern in that market around the elections that happened last Sunday relative to President Milei's party and whether they were going to be voted in or out of power effectively. His party wound up doing better than I think what anybody expected. That has reinvigorated confidence in the economy. A number of retailers in that market effectively stopped ordering product for a significant period of time pending the outcome of that election. Now that that election is over with, those customers are reordering. We expect that market to be back on track and are seeing positive trends as a result of that. On the pricing in the U.S., I'll start with writing, which you asked specifically about.

Speaker #3: A number of retailers in that market effectively stopped ordering product for a significant period of time, pending the outcome of that election.

Speaker #3: Now that that election is over , with , those those customers are reordering . So we expect that market to be back on track and and are seeing positive trends as a result of that .

Speaker #3: On the pricing in the US . I'll start with writing , which you asked specifically about . We were hoping that and sort of expecting that during the replenishment part of back to school that a number of our competitors that were subject to tariffs would take prices up .

Chris Peterson: We were hoping that, and sort of expecting that, during the replenishment part of back to school, a number of our competitors that were subject to tariffs would take prices up. We did not see that. However, we have seen in the month of October, just in the last two weeks, retail prices have moved up for a large majority of our competitor products. We have not moved prices up because we have domestic manufacturing. Generally, prices have moved up on competitive brands, high single to low single digits. We believe from our discussions that is going to allow us to sell more aggressively at expanding our distribution, and it's going to create a competitive pricing advantage for us versus our competitive products. That move just happened within the last week or two.

Speaker #3: We did not see that; however, we have seen in the month of October that just in the last two weeks retail prices have moved up for a large majority of our competitor products.

Speaker #3: We have not moved prices up because we have domestic manufacturing , and so we've seen generally prices move up on competitive brands , high single to low single digits , and we believe from our discussions that that is going to allow us to sell more aggressively at expanding our distribution .

Speaker #3: And it's going to create a competitive pricing advantage for us versus our competitive products. So again, that move just happened within the last week or two.

Speaker #3: It's a little bit too early to say what the consumer dynamic will be as a result of that. But we are seeing the price advantage because of our tariff advantage.

Chris Peterson: It's a little bit too early to say what the consumer dynamic will be as a result of that, but we are seeing the price advantage because of our tariff advantage on writing. We believe it will start to manifest itself in the fourth quarter. On baby, where I mentioned we took three rounds of pricing and we've now fully priced for the tariff impact, generally, we've seen competitors follow. What's interesting on that is in baby, we had assumed that the elasticity would be about one for one. As we took pricing up by 24%, effectively, we assumed unit volume would be down on those items by 24%.

Speaker #3: On writing , we believe will start to manifest itself in the fourth quarter . And then on Baby , where I mentioned , we took three rounds of pricing and we've now fully priced for the tariff impact .

Speaker #3: Generally , we've we've seen competitors follow what's interesting on that is we have baby , we had assumed that the elasticity would be about one for one .

Speaker #3: So, as we took pricing up by 24%, we effectively assumed unit volume would be down on those items by 24%. So far, that appears to be about right.

Speaker #3: And in fact , it's going a little better than that because we are gaining market share on baby both as consumers trade down from super premium brands to Graco and based on the strong innovation that we have , that is , I think , doing better than the competitive set .

Chris Peterson: So far, that appears to be about right, and in fact, it's going a little better than that because we are gaining market share on baby, both as consumers trade down from super premium brands to Graco, and based on the strong innovation that we have that is, I think, doing better than the competitive set. We feel good about the baby business. You're going to see in the third quarter, core sales for baby were down. That really is a function of this direct import to domestic delivery shift. I expect that trend will turn back positive here as we go forward.

Speaker #3: So we feel good about the baby business. You're going to see in the third quarter core sales for baby were down. That really is a function of this direct import to domestic delivery shift.

Speaker #3: I expect that trend will , will , will turn back positive here as we go forward .

Speaker #1: Thank you . Our next question comes from Brian McNamara with Canaccord Genuity . Your line is open .

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian McNamara with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.

Speaker #7: Hey good .

Speaker #9: Morning guys . Thanks for taking the questions . First off , a week after you guys reported Q2 a large competitive year in the small kitchen appliances suggest the US markets , excluding this competitor , declined at like a mid to high single digit clip .

[Analyst]: Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. First off, a week after you guys reported Q2, a large competitor of yours in small kitchen appliances suggested the U.S. market, excluding this competitor, declined at a mid to high single-digit clip in its category, suggesting you guys outperformed pretty well. I'm just curious how this particular category performed in Q3, given the pretty weak September.

Speaker #9: And its category suggestion, you guys outperform pretty well. I'm just curious how this particular category performed in Q3, given the pretty weak September.

Speaker #3: Yeah, I think, you know, if you look at some of the small kitchen appliance competitors that have reported – and not all of them have reported – but a couple of them have reported organic sales growth down in the mid-teens.

Chris Peterson: Yeah. If you look at some of the small kitchen appliance competitors that have reported, and not all of them have reported, but a couple of them have reported organic sales growth down mid-teens. Certainly, we did better than that. We're not alone in being disrupted by this trade disruption. The trade disruption not only hit us, but it hit retailers too, because effectively, when the 145% tariff rate went into China, everybody stopped ordering. When you stop ordering, you create sort of a kink in the supply chain, which, when you finally turn back on, it takes a while for you to get the inventory back through the ocean channel into the U.S. and then ship to retailers. There's a bit of choppiness that really is impacting the import business more than the self-manufactured business.

Speaker #3: So certainly we we did better than that . And and I think , you know , we're not alone in being disrupted by this trade disruption and the trade disruption .

Speaker #3: You know , not only hit us , but it hit retailers too , because effectively , when the 145% tariff rate went into China , everybody stopped ordering .

Speaker #3: And when you stop ordering , you create sort of a kink in the supply chain , which then when you finally turn back on , it takes a while for you to get the inventory back .

Speaker #3: You know . Through the ocean channel into the US and then shipped to retailers . And so there's there's a bit of choppiness that really is impacting the , the import business .

Speaker #3: More than the , the self business . And I think if you look at the competitive set , you'll generally see that where CPG companies that manufacture in the US are better positioned to navigate this because they don't have the same type of , of trade disruption as those that are importing product from outside the US .

Chris Peterson: If you look at the competitive set, you'll generally see that where CPG companies that manufacture in the U.S. are better positioned to navigate this because they don't have the same type of trade disruption as those that are importing product from outside the U.S. That's certainly been true on our business. If you look at our self-manufactured business versus our imported business, what we're trying to do, as I mentioned before, and what gives us confidence that we're on the right track from a strategy perspective, is we think as we head into next year, we've got the strongest innovation pipeline that we will have ever had in the last 10 years. We think from what we know from the line review process, our distribution, our net distribution in the U.S. is going up versus this year.

Speaker #3: And that's certainly been true on our business . If you look at our self business versus our imported business , what we're trying to do , as I mentioned before , and what gives us confidence that we're on the right track from a strategy perspective is we think as we head of into next year , we've got the strongest innovation pipeline that we will have ever had in the last ten years .

Speaker #3: We think from what we know from the line review process , our distribution , our net distribution in the US is going up versus this year .

Speaker #3: We continue to make very strong progress on overhead cost reduction . And and I expect that to accelerate , particularly as we've made significant progress on artificial intelligence across the company .

Chris Peterson: We continue to make very strong progress on overhead cost reduction, and I expect that to accelerate, particularly as we've made significant progress on artificial intelligence across the company. We're up to close to 100 use cases being implemented, and we've now moved fully into agentic AI, which we are starting to leverage more broadly across the company. As Mark went through, we see as we head into next year a very strong cash bounce back for the company. We expect cash taxes to be down. We expect working capital to ratchet down as tariffs are fully embedded already into the inventory level. We're going to get some year-over-year help from Incentive Comp, and we expect CapEx to be lower next year as some of the big projects that we've been doing are finalized going into next year.

Speaker #3: You know , we're up to close to 100 use cases being implemented . And we've now moved fully into Agentic AI , which we are starting to leverage more broadly across the company .

Speaker #3: And then I think as Mark went through , you know , we see as we head into next year , a very strong cash bounce back for the company , as we expect cash taxes to be down .

Speaker #3: We expect working capital to ratchet down as tariffs are fully embedded already into the inventory level . We're going to get some year over year help from incentive comp , and we expect CapEx to be lower next year as some of the big projects that we've been doing are finalized going into next year .

Speaker #3: So , you know , we'll we'll obviously talk more as we always do at the fourth quarter call on our outlook for 26 .

Chris Peterson: We'll obviously talk more as we always do at the fourth quarter call on our outlook for 2026. We're trying to navigate the short-term choppiness while ensuring we keep our eyes on sort of the midterm turnaround plan.

Speaker #3: But but we're trying to navigate the short term choppiness while ensuring we keep our eyes on sort of the mid-term turnaround plan . .

Speaker #9: Great . And just a quick follow up . I think a key debate on the stock is whether you guys can , you know , sustainably grow again .

Speaker #9: So with A&P spending at a decade high , the tariff inventory adjustment at the retail level , a one time event international expected to return to growth .

[Analyst]: Great. Just a quick follow-up. I think a key debate on the stock is whether you guys can sustainably grow again. With A&P spending at a decade high, the tariff inventory adjustment at the retail level a one-time event, and international expected to return to growth, why would Q4 be guided lower relative to your implied guidance prior? I think prior guidance implied flattest kind of core sales growth.

Speaker #9: Why why would Q4 be guided lower relative to your implied guidance prior ? I think I think , I think prior guidance implied flattish kind of core sales growth .

Speaker #9: Yeah , yeah .

Speaker #3: So I think , you know , our Q4 guide is probably maybe three points below what what what the implied guide was last quarter .

Chris Peterson: Yeah. I think our Q4 guide is probably maybe three points below what the implied guide was last quarter. It's really three things. Number one, we've taken a little bit more conservative view of the market. I think I mentioned minus 3%. I think previously in our implied guide, we would have been probably assuming minus 2%. We've taken a little bit more conservative view on international just because of what we saw in Brazil and Argentina. That maybe is another point that we've de-risked in the Q4 guide. We've taken, as I mentioned, a little bit more conservative view on price scraping because we don't know how quickly competition is going to raise price. That's maybe another point as well. Those are the three factors that would cause us in Q4 to take a little bit more conservative view versus what the implied guide was previously.

Speaker #3: And it's really three things . Number one , we've taken three equal things . Number one , we've taken a little bit more conservative view of the market .

Speaker #3: I think I mentioned minus three . I think previously in our guide we would have been probably assuming minus two . We've taken a little bit more conservative view on international just because of what we've , you know , saw in Brazil and Argentina .

Speaker #3: And so that maybe is another , you know , point that we've de-risked in the Q4 guide . And then we've taken , as I mentioned , a little bit more conservative view on price scraping .

Speaker #3: You know , because we don't know how quickly competition is going to raise price . And so , you know , that's maybe another point as well .

Speaker #3: So those are the three factors that would cause us in Q4 to take a little bit more conservative view versus what the implied guide was previously.

Speaker #9: For context . Thanks , guys . Best of luck .

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Olivia Tong with Raymond James. Your line is open.

[Analyst]: Awful context. Thanks, guys. Best of luck.

Speaker #10: Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask you about the innovations that are coming—the 20 tier one and two innovations, which you talked about for next year.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Olivia Tong with Raymond James. Your line is open.

[Analyst]: Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask you about the innovations that are coming, the 20 tier one two innovations that you talked about for next year. As you think about the planning for that, you mentioned in previous remarks the backdrop's more challenging. It sounds like the Yankee Candle relaunch is off to a bumpy start. You also talked about how low-income and younger consumers are pulling back. As you think about the planning for that, can you talk about your conversations with retailers, the seemingly deceleration in terms of categories, and just the general sort of malaise across these categories and launching innovation in that, how you may have to think about the growth expectations for that as we think about 2026? Thank you.

Speaker #10: As you think about in the planning for that , you mentioned in previous remarks , the backdrop is more challenging . It sounds like the Yankee relaunch is off to a bumpy start .

Speaker #10: And you also talked about how low income and younger consumers are pulling back . So as you think about the planning for that , can you talk about your conversations with retailers ?

Speaker #10: The seemingly deceleration in terms of categories and and just the general sort of malaise across these categories and , you know , launching innovation in that how how you may have to think about the growth expectations for that .

Speaker #10: As we think about 26 . Thank you .

Speaker #3: Yeah . Good question . So what what we're seeing is and I mentioned the sort of the broader consumer points . But the other point that we're seeing is when we come with compelling innovation that represents a good value , we are seeing consumers respond to that .

Chris Peterson: Yeah. Good question. What we're seeing is, and I mentioned sort of the broader consumer points, the other point that we're seeing is when we come with compelling innovation that represents a good value, we are seeing consumers respond to that. The reason we're growing market share, for example, in baby is because we've launched outstanding innovation behind the Graco SmartSense Soothing Bassinet and Swing, the Graco 360 Easy Turn Two-in-One Rotating Convertible Car Seat, which are off to great starts. The reason why we're growing and where we're growing in the writing category is because of the Sharpie Creative Markers and the Expo Dry and Wet Erase. The place where we're growing the fastest in outdoor and rec is behind the Coleman Pro coolers that we've launched.

Speaker #3: So the reason we're growing market share , for example , in baby , is because we've launched outstanding innovation behind the Graco Smartsense , bassinet and Swing .

Speaker #3: The Graco 360 Easy Turn two and one rotating convertible car seat , which are off to great starts . The reason why we're growing and where we're growing in the writing category is because of the Sharpie creative markers and the Expo wet and dry erase .

Speaker #3: The reason that we're the place where we're growing the fastest in outdoor and rec is behind the Coleman Pro coolers that we've launched , and so it's it's it's an interesting market because although there the consumer is pulling back on general merchandise categories .

Chris Peterson: It's an interesting market because although the consumer is pulling back on general merchandise categories, we are seeing if you come with a compelling innovation that represents a good value. I differentiate good value from low price. You can have a good value proposition that's at the MPP or the HPP price point, but it has to be a good value and it has to be a compelling proposition. When we do that, we are seeing the consumer broadly respond to that. That's why we believe that it's right for us to continue to drive and invest behind innovation as we go into next year. I'm frankly pretty excited about what we've got planned next year, and we'll try to showcase.

Speaker #3: We are seeing if you come with a compelling innovation that represents a good value. I differentiate good value from low price; you can have a good value proposition.

Speaker #3: That's at the MPP or the HPE price point , but it has to be a good value and it has to be a compelling proposition .

Speaker #3: But when we do that , we are seeing the consumer broadly respond to that . And that's why we believe that it's right for us to continue to to drive and invest behind innovation as we go into next year .

Speaker #3: I'm frankly pretty excited about what we've got planned next year , and we'll try to showcase we don't want to showcase it all on the earnings call today for competitive reasons , but we'll try to showcase some of it at some of the upcoming investor conferences that we go to .

Chris Peterson: We don't want to showcase it all on the earnings call today for competitive reasons, but we'll try to showcase some of it at some of the upcoming investor conferences that we go to. I think it is pretty broad across our top 25 brands, and every single business unit that we have has a strong innovation pipeline next year. We are now at a point where we're a little over two or about two and a half years into the new strategy. Recall when we put the new strategy in place, one of our big planks was rebuilding and implementing brand management, completely rebuilding our innovation process. 2026 is really the first year that we'll have full innovation across all of our businesses launching in the market as a result of that effort.

Speaker #3: But I think it is pretty broad across our top 25 brands . And every single business unit that we have has a strong innovation pipeline .

Speaker #3: Next year . And so we are now at a point where we're , you know , a little over two and a half or about two and a half years into the new strategy and recall , when we put the new strategy in place , one of our big planks was rebuilding and implementing brand management , completely rebuilding our innovation process .

Speaker #3: 2026 is really the first year that we'll have full innovation across all of our businesses, launching in the market as a result of that effort.

Speaker #10: Right . Thank you .

Speaker #1: Thank you . Our next question comes from Steve Powers with Deutsche Bank . Your line is open .

[Analyst]: Got it. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Steve Powers with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker #9: Hey guys .

Speaker #11: Thanks and good morning . I was hoping we could just go back a little bit to where we started and just in terms of what happened in the quarter , can you just talk a little bit about where you were coming into September , where you were you in line with your with your prior guidance range ?

[Analyst]: Hey, guys. Thanks and good morning. I was hoping we could just go back a little bit to where we started and just in terms of what happened in the quarter. Can you just talk a little bit about where you were coming into September? Were you in line with your prior guidance range? Because if you were, then I think the drop-off we're talking about in September is low to mid-teens.

Speaker #11: Because if you were , then I think the drop off we were talking about in September is , you know , low to mid teens , you know , even factoring in the size of September and then extrapolating from that , just a little bit about what you've seen so far in October .

[Analyst]: You've been factoring in the size of September and then extrapolating from that, just a little bit about what you've seen so far in October and whether the guide, taking your points about the conservatism you've laid in, I'm just curious as to how much of a ramp is implied in the fourth quarter guide, especially because Yankee Candle seems part of the problem or part of the setback in Q3, and we know how big a business that is in December. It seems a lot is dependent on that in the full year. Just some perspective there would be great. Thanks.

Speaker #11: And whether the guide taking your your points about the conservatism you've laid in . I'm just curious as to how much of a ramp is , is implied in the fourth quarter guide , especially because Yankee , it seems a , you know , part of the problem or part of the part of the setback in three .

Speaker #11: Q and we know how how big a big a business that is in December . So it seems a lot is dependent on that in the full year .

Speaker #11: So just some perspective . There would be great . Thanks .

Speaker #3: Yeah . So let me let me try to help here . So in the third quarter the plan that we had heading into the third quarter had September as .

Chris Peterson: Let me try to help here. In the third quarter, the plan that we had heading into the third quarter had September as, when we started at the beginning of the third quarter, when we guided for Q3, the plan that we had that our guidance was based on had September as the biggest quarter and had September up meaningfully versus a year ago. That was the plan that we assumed when we guided. There were a lot of reasons why we thought that was going to happen from a shipment timing standpoint, etc. What we saw was that September certainly came in well below our expectations, as we mentioned, but September was not meaningfully off of what we saw in July and August.

Speaker #3: So when we start at the beginning of the third quarter , when we guided for Q3 , the plan that we had that our guidance was based on had September as the biggest quarter and had September up meaningfully versus year ago .

Speaker #3: And so that was the plan that we assumed when we guided . And there were a lot of reasons why we thought that was going to happen from a shipment timing standpoint , etc.

Speaker #3: . What we saw was that September certainly came in well below our expectations . As we mentioned , but September was not meaningfully off of what we saw in July and August .

Speaker #3: In fact , if anything , September was a little better versus prior year compared to July and August , but it was off of our forecast meaningfully , if that makes sense .

Chris Peterson: In fact, if anything, September was a little better versus prior year compared to July and August, but it was off of our forecast meaningfully, if that makes sense. As we go into what we're seeing so far in October, I think certainly the October results, and you mentioned home fragrance, for example, home fragrance is running up in the month of October versus a year ago. That's a big turn from what we saw in September and, frankly, in Q3, where it was down significantly. We've seen the turn in that business already in the month of October. Certainly, the October results we've taken into account as we've guided for Q4, and we don't believe that we're basing our guidance on a hockey stick or something like that for Q4.

Speaker #3: As we go into what we're seeing so far in October , I think certainly the October results and you mentioned home fragrance , for example , home fragrance is running up in the month of October versus year ago .

Speaker #3: And that's a big turn from what we saw in September . And frankly , in Q3 , where it was down significantly . So we've seen the turn in that business already in the month of October .

Speaker #3: Certainly the October results we've taken into account as we've guided for Q4 and and we don't believe that we're basing our guidance on on a hockey stick or something like that for Q4 .

Speaker #11: Okay , that that helps a lot . And I will pass it on from there . Thank you so much .

Speaker #1: Thank you . This concludes today's conference call . Thank you for your participation . A replay of today's call will be available later today on the company's website at NEWELL BRANDS INC. .

Operator: That helps a lot. I will pass it on from there. Thank you so much.

Joanne Freiberger: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. A replay of today's call will be available later today on the company's website at ir.newellbrands.com. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.