Q3 2025 Diversified Healthcare Trust Earnings Call
Speaker #4: Good morning and welcome to the DIVERSIFIED HEALTHCARE TRUST . Third quarter 2020 Earnings Conference . Conference call . All participants will be in listen only mode .
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Speaker #5: Good morning . Joining me on today's call are Christopher Bilotto President and Chief Executive Officer Matt Brown . Chief Financial Officer and treasurer .
Speaker #5: And Anthony Paula vice president . Today's call includes a presentation by management , followed by a question and answer session with sell side analysts .
Speaker #5: Please note that the recording and retransmission of today's conference call is strictly prohibited without the prior written consent of the company . Today's conference call contains forward looking statements within the meaning of the private securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other securities laws .
Speaker #5: These forward looking statements are based upon DCS beliefs and expectations as of today , Tuesday , November 4th , 2025 . The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to the forward looking statements made in today's conference call .
Speaker #5: Other than through filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission or SEC . In addition , this call may contain non-GAAP numbers , including normalized funds from operations or normalized FFO , net operating income or NOI , and cash basis net operating income or cash basis .
Speaker #5: NOI , a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to net income is available in our financial results package , which can be found on our website at WW .
Speaker #5: Actual results may differ materially from those projected in any forward looking statements . Additional information concerning factors that could cause those differences is contained in our filings with the SEC .
Speaker #5: Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance upon any forward looking statements . And finally , we will be providing guidance on this call , including NOI .
Speaker #5: We are not providing a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures as part of our guidance , because certain information required for such reconciliation is not available .
Speaker #5: Without unreasonable efforts or at all , such as gains and losses or impairment charges related to the disposition of real estate . With that , I would now like to turn the call over to Chris .
Speaker #6: Thank you Matt , and good morning , everyone . Thank you for joining our call today . I will begin by providing a high level review of Dak's third quarter results and an update on the progress we are making toward our key strategic objectives , including an update to the previously announced transition of our managed communities .
Speaker #6: Then Anthony will provide more details regarding our quarterly financials and capital spending . And finally , Matt will review our financing activity and liquidity before discussing our outlook for the remainder of the year .
Speaker #6: After the market closed yesterday . DHC reported third quarter results that highlight continued momentum across our operating segments and steady execution on our initiatives to strengthen financial position .
Speaker #6: Total revenue for the quarter was $388.7 million , an increase of 4% year over year . Adjusted EBITDA was $62.9 million and normalized FFO was $9.7 million , or $0.04 per share .
Speaker #6: During the quarter , we took a significant step forward in repositioning our senior housing , operating portfolio with the announced sale by Alaris Life of its management contracts and our results reflect a temporary decline in NOI due to elevated labor costs .
Speaker #6: As we transition the 116 life communities to new operators . For the transitioning portfolio . Compensation expense as a percent of revenue was approximately 240 basis points above the portfolio average for prior periods , representing an incremental cost of roughly $5.1 million for the quarter .
Speaker #6: These elevated labor costs are primarily driven by required investments and operational support , including payroll allocations for property tours , community reviews , training , and onboarding to support incoming operators .
Speaker #6: Additionally , temporary employee overlap necessary to meet required notice periods prior to terminations has contributed to the increase . As previously communicated , these transitions are part of a planned wind down of its business , which included a broadly marketed process for the sale of the management contracts for the Dxl communities to seven operators , and the sale of 17 Alaris owned communities to unique buyers .
Speaker #6: 21 of the 116 communities were transitioned to new operators. As of quarter end, a total of 85 communities have transitioned as of today's call.
Speaker #6: We are tracking all 116 communities to transition by year end as a 34% owner of Alaris Life , we expect to receive approximately 25 to $40 million of net proceeds upon the completion of the wind down in 2026 .
Speaker #6: Importantly , this transition transaction advances our strategy to establish a more efficient and geographically aligned operating model in line with broader industry trends .
Speaker #6: Favoring regional densification . The new DAC operating agreements include a ten year term and incorporate performance based incentive and termination structures that enhance accountability and align our interests with DCS objectives .
Speaker #6: Reinforced by the operator's purchase of these contracts . As part of the diligence and selection of the seven operators , five of whom are new to DHC , our Asset management team developed specific criteria to evaluate each operator's capabilities and market expertise .
Speaker #6: We expect these measures will result in occupancy rates and NOI margins that are more consistent with industry averages . During the third quarter , shop occupancy increased 210 basis points year over year to 81.5% , marking the fourth consecutive quarter of occupancy growth and repair rose 5.3% .
Speaker #6: Reflecting annual rate increases . Gains in care level pricing and reduced discounts and concessions at higher occupied communities . Expense poor for the same period increased by 5.1% , driven primarily by temporary labor cost increases associated with the community transitions .
Speaker #6: Wage adjustments , and filling of previously open positions . Collectively , these trends resulted in a 6.9% year over year increase in shop revenues and a 7.8% increase in Consolidated Shop NOI to $29.6 million sequentially .
Speaker #6: The decline in Shop NOI is primarily attributable to higher seasonal utility costs , favorable one time adjustments in Q2 and the noted temporary labor costs related to the community transitions , which are expected to moderate through Q4 .
Speaker #6: Initial feedback from the new operators has been encouraging , with feedback complimenting opportunities to drive top line revenue with the introduction of additional care levels above market rent increases , the opportunity to reduce expenses through right sizing services with meal offerings , equipment leases and procurement of recurring recurring services and the ability to improve lead to move in conversion across the portfolio through the integration of each operator's broader CRM tools .
Speaker #6: We expect to see these initiatives complement our performance over the next several quarters based on year to date performance and current trends . We are maintaining our full year shop NOI guidance range of 132 to $142 million .
Speaker #6: Turning to our medical office and life science portfolio . During the quarter , we completed approximately 86,000ft² of leasing at weighted average rents of 9% above prior rents for the same space , with an average term of nearly seven years .
Speaker #6: Consolidated occupancy increased 370 basis points sequentially to 86.6% , primarily driven by the asset sales of vacant or low occupancy properties and leasing .
Speaker #6: During the quarter , same property cash basis NOI increased 1.6% year over year , with margins improving 100 basis points to 58.9% . Looking ahead , 1.5% of annualized revenue in our medical office and life science portfolio is scheduled to expire through year end 2025 , of which 22,000ft² are approximately 30 basis points of annualized revenue is expected to vacate .
Speaker #6: We maintained an active leasing pipeline totaling 717,000ft² , including approximately 103,000ft² of new absorption , providing momentum toward higher portfolio occupancy and continued rent growth , with average lease terms of 7.6 years and GAAP rent spreads averaging more than 8% .
Speaker #6: Turning to our capital markets and balance sheet initiatives . In August , our Seaport Innovation joint venture completed a $1 billion refinancing of the Vertex Pharmaceuticals headquarters in Boston as part of this transaction , DHC received a $28 million cash distribution , reflecting our 10% share of the proceeds .
Speaker #6: Following our September issuance of $375 million of senior secured notes in 2030 . And with the expected payoff of our remaining 2026 zero coupon bond notes as early as the fourth quarter , DHC will have no debt maturities until 2028 .
Speaker #6: We continue to make significant progress with our non-core asset sales year to date , DHC has sold 44 properties for $396 million and as of November 3rd , we are under agreements with letters of intent to sell 38 properties for $237 million .
Speaker #6: We are also tracking close to close on 25 of these properties in Q4 for total proceeds of $211 million , with the remaining balance planned for Q1 2026 .
Speaker #6: These asset sales reduced capital spending in 2026 and beyond, improved overall occupancy and margins, and will contribute to the portfolio's cash flow growth.
Speaker #6: Looking ahead to 2026 , the company is positioned to have its strongest liquidity maturity profile in several years . We believe our share price does not reflect the underlying value of our portfolio or the initiatives , management has undertaken .
Speaker #6: This year , with a fully transitioned shop portfolio , we believe DHC is well positioned to drive margin expansion , cash flow growth and continued balance sheet improvement .
Speaker #6: All of which are clear catalysts to drive shareholder value . With that , I will turn the call over to Anthony .
Speaker #7: Thank you , Chris , and good morning , everyone . During the third quarter , our same property cash NOI was $62.6 million , representing a 70 basis point increase year over and 9.5% decrease sequentially .
Speaker #7: year Turning to G&A expense , the third quarter includes $5.7 million of business management incentive fee . This incentive fee is driven in part by an increase in stock price of approximately 90% year to date .
Speaker #7: Our third quarter property results include improvements in both occupancy and average monthly rate . Same property shop same year over year and 100 basis points sequentially .
Speaker #7: We also continued to see positive momentum with pricing and achieved an increase in same property shop . Average monthly rate of 5.3% year over year , and 60 basis points sequentially .
Speaker #7: These increases resulted in year over year same property shop revenue growth of 6.6% . Excluding the $5.1 million of temporary compensation expense increases related to the transition of management contracts from Alaris Life adjusted shop NOI for the quarter would have been $34.8 million , and shop NOI margin would have been 10.4% , an increase of 150 basis points from the reported margin of 8.9% .
Speaker #7: Any incentive incurred would not be due until January 2026 . Excluding the impact of the incentive management fee expense would have been $7.1 million for the quarter .
Speaker #7: During the quarter , we invested approximately $43 million of capital , including $35 million in our shop communities and $7 million in our medical office and life science portfolio .
Speaker #7: We are pleased with our recently completed refreshes and redevelopments , as we achieved incremental NOI of $2.8 million during the quarter when compared to Pre-renovation NOI .
Speaker #7: These returns are in line with our expectations of delivering a mid-teens ROI . We believe there is continued upside in NOI and oxy growth at these communities .
Speaker #7: Based on our current expectations for the fourth quarter , we are reaffirming our 2025 CapEx guidance of 140 to $160 million . Now , I'll turn the call over to Matt .
Speaker #7: Thanks , Anthony .
Speaker #5: And good morning , everyone . We ended the quarter with approximately $351 million of liquidity , including $201 million of unrestricted cash and $150 million available under our undrawn revolving credit facility .
Speaker #5: In September, we announced the repayment of our January 2026 zero-coupon bonds by issuing $375 million of five-year secured bonds at a fixed coupon of 7.25%.
Speaker #5: We used $307 million of the proceeds to partially redeem our January 2026 bonds , the offering was several times oversubscribed , allowing us to improve pricing .
Speaker #5: This bond is secured by equity pledges on 36 properties , including 21 shop communities , with an implied valuation of $226,000 per unit .
Speaker #5: The remaining balance on our 2026 bond is $324 million . After a $10.2 million paydown from an encumbered property sale . In addition to this , October , property sale subsequent to quarter end , we also sold 11 properties for aggregate gross proceeds of $31 million .
Speaker #5: As of November 1st , we had a total of 38 properties under agreement , or Loi , for aggregate proceeds of $237 million , with a majority of these closings expected before year end .
Speaker #5: We expect to use cash on hand . Our undrawn credit facility and proceeds from our pending dispositions to repay all amounts on our January 2026 bonds as early as year end .
Speaker #5: After this repayment , we estimate the weighted average interest rate on a remaining debt to be approximately 5.7% , with no maturities until 2028 .
Speaker #5: As of September 30th , our net debt to adjusted EBITDA was ten times , primarily reflecting the temporary compensation expense increases from our shop segment .
Speaker #5: Excluding these $5.1 million of elevated compensation expenses , leverage would have been 9.3 times and improvement of 70 basis points from the . As reported number .
Speaker #5: We remain confident in our strategies to reduce leverage by executing on our pending asset sales to repay debt and to drive stronger performance in our shop segment .
Speaker #5: Looking ahead , we expect improvements in adjusted EBITDA with a full year 2025 range of 275 to $285 million and trending towards positive cash flow as shop operations stabilize and leverage declines in closing , based on our current liquidity and asset sales , we are confident that January 2026 bonds will be repaid in full as early as year end with our next scheduled maturity in 2028 .
Speaker #5: Our near-term focus is on ensuring a smooth transition of the remaining communities from a life to our new managers . While the transition of these communities presents a temporary increase in cost , we are reaffirming our 2025 shop NOI guidance of 132 million to $142 million .
Speaker #5: Looking ahead , we are optimistic about the long term performance of our shop segment . We believe our strategic initiatives will continue to drive improvements in NOI margins and occupancy across our portfolio .
Speaker #5: That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions.
Speaker #4: We will now begin the question and answer session to ask a question . You may press star , then one on your telephone keypad .
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Speaker #4: At this time we will pause momentarily to assemble a roster . The first question comes from John Massocca with Be Riley Securities . Please go ahead .
Speaker #8: Good morning . Maybe towards 4025 . And in light of the unchanged shop , NOI guidance , what impact are you expecting from operator transition opex costs in four Q especially relative to what you experienced in in three Q .
Speaker #2: Good morning , John .
Speaker #5: Thanks for the question . So as we noted in prepared remarks , approximately 5.1 million of costs in the quarter related to the transitions as of today , you the majority of our communities have now transitioned .
Speaker #5: So I would say , you know , maybe somewhere around one and a half to $2 million of impact in the fourth quarter as it relates to the overall NOI guide .
Speaker #5: You know , we do expect to continue seeing increases in occupancy and some reductions in expenses , mainly utilities that support the overall guidance being unchanged at 132 to 142 for the year .
Speaker #8: Okay . And then in the prepared remarks , you mentioned , you had 10.1% margin x , the kind of transition labor compensation expense .
Speaker #8: Was that a same-store number, or was that just for the consolidated portfolio?
Speaker #5: That's a consolidated number .
Speaker #8: Okay . And then , you know , continuing with kind of the operator transition costs , that something that was kind of contemplated when you put out guidance , your adjusted guidance in October or even earlier this year , and maybe kind of why I understand there are other parties involved , but why now for the transition from the Alaris life assets to third party operators ?
Speaker #6: We'll answer that in parts . So with respect to the guidance , you know , we hadn't necessarily accomplished , contemplated , you know , specific interruption or quantified that with respect to the Alaris life management contracts .
Speaker #6: But I think , you know , the real , you know , kind of opportunity is for us to kind of meet the needs and going through the process .
Speaker #6: And we understood that there was going to be some disruption in quantifying that , you know , it's variable . And so I think , you know , we've done the best we can to kind of help monitor that and mitigate it .
Speaker #6: Where appropriate . And understand it's kind of a necessary temporary commitment to a broader strategy to to bolster the overall performance for the company through the change in relationship to , again , to the to the seven new operators and and kind of the information that we provided supporting the benefit of that .
Speaker #6: I think the latter part of your question was why now ? I mean , this was really a decision , you know , through Alaris life and its business needs .
Speaker #6: And I think kind of looking at , you know , various options , supporting a go forward , you know , management on that side has done an amazing job turning around performance .
Speaker #6: And I think that's reflected in the multi-year improvement for DHC . When you look at Alaris managed communities relative to the other operators , they've outperformed .
Speaker #6: And given where shop is today , they felt like strategically it was the best benefit and value proposition for the company . And then , you know , certainly with DHC being a 34% owner , you know , there's inherent benefits for that .
Speaker #6: And we've talked about , you know , what a lot of those things are , including the diversification and operators . It cleans the cleans up the story for DHC without an affiliate affiliation .
Speaker #6: And I think strategically it positions us to be , you know , kind of a better partner with the new operators and to grow our overall performance as we head into 2026 and future years .
Speaker #8: , sticking with Okay shop portfolio , you know , I know you kind of gave the updated guidance on the the NOI , but are you still expecting occupancy to be in the 82 to 83% range by year end ?
Speaker #6: Yes .
Speaker #8: And then any kind of , I guess maybe pulls on the revenue side . You've seen from the transition just any kind of temporary disruption there , or is that largely been unaffected by these operator transitions ?
Speaker #6: Look , it's difficult to kind of quantify the top line with respect to where there may have been disruption or not in the sales process .
Speaker #6: I mean , certainly you're seeing in our results that top line performance is trending favorably . And really the impact to the quarterly performance is on the expense side .
Speaker #6: But , you know , there's likely some disruption . And we think , you know , going forward as the transitions are complete and as Matt noted , you know , we're largely through those in October .
Speaker #6: And I think , you know , all but a handful will wrap up towards mid November that clearly will provide a lot of a better runway , if you will , to to avoid any other noise with respect to a transition .
Speaker #6: And focus solely on operations . So again , hard to quantify probably some impact . as we get mid November . That'll be behind .
Speaker #9: Us . .
Speaker #8: Okay . And then anything else to call out on the shop operating expense side . That was maybe unrelated to these transitions that you know , increased in the quarter versus in to Q or even one Q .
Speaker #5: No .
Speaker #2: You know .
Speaker #5: The major headline was clearly the 5.1 million of elevated comp costs . You know , we did have about a $2.5 million increase sequentially on utilities .
Speaker #5: That was expected . And we highlighted that on our Q2 earnings call . But those are the major drivers .
Speaker #8: Okay . And then switching gears to the disposition activity , you know , can you maybe provide a little more color on the items in the pipeline today ?
Speaker #8: How close are those to closing ? Do you expect that entire pipeline to close by year end ? And I guess maybe what are the variables that could cause some of those to slip into 2026 ?
Speaker #8: Or maybe fall out of the pipeline , if at all ?
Speaker #6: Yeah , we do expect a small portion of the the highlighted dispositions will close in Q1 2026 . That's that's primarily on the shop side .
Speaker #6: There's about 13 communities as part of kind of a portfolio transaction . But just over 200 million is expected to to close for the balance of this quarter .
Speaker #6: And that's a combination of MLB and kind of select shop assets . I think the risk with that , you know , I think is minimal at this stage .
Speaker #6: I think a lot of what we see today are the , you know , the the closing periods are within the year , for the most part .
Speaker #6: And so we feel pretty good about , you being in a position to achieve a lion's share of that number . You know , this year .
Speaker #6: So again , close to 200 million for the balance of this year . And then again there will be some dispositions that will fall into next year .
Speaker #8: Okay . And then you know , I think with the disposition activity as it seems to be closing , you know , you would have maybe a little bit of excess capital , but I guess it depends on how much kind of cash you want to leave on hand .
Speaker #8: I mean , is there any potential to pay down additional debt with disposition activity completed in 25 beyond those that debt maturing in 2026 ?
Speaker #8: Or is that more likely to stay as kind of a dry powder to deal with whatever comes next in 2026 ?
Speaker #2: Yeah .
Speaker #5: That would be left on the balance sheet as dry powder as we kind of turn our focus to offense . You know , our next debt maturity after the 26 is is in 2028 .
Speaker #5: And the interest rate on that is 4.75% . So we're better off leaving that debt on the balance sheet . And increasing our cash position .
Speaker #8: Okay . That's it for me . Thank you very much for all the detail .
Speaker #2: Thanks .
Speaker #4: Once again , if you have a question , please press star . Then one . Is there are no more questions . This concludes our question and answer session .
Speaker #4: I would like to turn the conference back over to Chris for any closing remarks . Please go ahead .
Speaker #6: Thank you . We would like to thank you all for joining our call today , and we look forward to meeting with many of you , of you at the conference in Dallas in December .
Speaker #6: At that time, we will have substantially completed the shop operator transitions, and we plan to publish an updated investor presentation for the conference with additional color on our transition progress and supporting performance.
Speaker #6: Please reach out to Investor Relations if you are interested in scheduling a call with DHC or meeting at Nareit . Operator . That concludes our call .