Q3 2025 Viemed Healthcare Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Greetings and welcome to the VIEMED HEALTHCARE, INC. third quarter , 2025 Earnings Call . At this time , all participants are in a listen only mode .
Speaker #1: A question and answer session will follow the presentation . If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference , please press Star Zero on your telephone keypad .
Speaker #1: Please note this conference is being recorded . I will now turn the conference over to our host , Trae Fitzgerald Chief Financial Officer .
Speaker #1: Thank you . You may begin .
Speaker #2: Thank you . Good morning , everyone , and thanks for joining us today . Please note that our remarks in this conference call may include forward looking statements under the US Federal securities laws or forward looking information under applicable Canadian securities legislation , which we collectively referred to as forward looking statements .
Speaker #2: Such statements reflect the company's current views and intentions with respect to future results or events , and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to vary from those indicated in forward looking statements .
Speaker #2: Examples of such risks and uncertainties are discussed in our disclosure documents filed with the SEC , or the Security regulatory authorities in certain provinces of Canada .
Speaker #2: Because of these risks and uncertainties , investors should not place undue reliance on forward looking statements . The forward looking statements made in this conference call are made as of today , and the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements except as required by law .
Speaker #2: The third quarter financial supplement and financial news release, as well as the related financial statements, are available on the SEC's website. I'll now turn it over to our CEO, Casey Hoyt, to get things started.
Speaker #2: Okay .
Speaker #3: Thanks , and good morning , everyone . I'm excited to be here today to discuss another outstanding quarter for VI med a quarter where we continue to differentiate care , accelerate innovation , and deliver strong results that set the stage for sustained long term success .
Speaker #3: Our team continues to execute at a high level , driving growth across all of our core service lines . While expanding the reach and impact of our patient care model .
Speaker #3: As of quarter end , our team has grown to 1386 dedicated employees across the country . This includes the new members of our family who joined us through the acquisition of Leon's Medical equipment .
Speaker #3: Because of Leon's team onboarded early in the quarter , we were able to experience a full quarter of collaboration and integration , which has been incredibly rewarding to watch unfold .
Speaker #3: I'm proud of the dedication and teamwork shown by both our existing staff and our new colleagues , as they worked together to align systems , processes and culture .
Speaker #3: Their focus and adaptability have ensured a seamless transition and strengthened our ability to serve patients with consistency and compassion . With our expanded team and broader service capabilities , we continue to deliver exceptional care to the patients , providers and partners who rely on us every day .
Speaker #3: That commitment to high quality service and clinical excellence reinforces my meds reputation as a trusted leader in home based health care . With that foundation , let's turn to how our strategic execution this quarter reflects both our vision and our ability to translate strategy into measurable results .
Speaker #3: Our long term vision remains clear . To expand geographic access to high quality , home based care , diversify our product service offerings , and deliver operational excellence at scale .
Speaker #3: This quarter represents a meaningful milestone in that journey . While our core ventilation business continues to grow , an impressive levels , and now accounts for less than half of our net revenue for the first time in over a decade .
Speaker #3: Decade the shift reflects both the enduring strength of our legacy services and the rapid expansion of new service lines , positioning by for sustainable , diversified growth and long term value creation .
Speaker #3: This diversification underscores the success of our strategy and the strong buy in of our teams , and expanding and strengthening our businesses by broadening both our payer and referral base , we're creating a more resilient and balanced revenue stream that supports sustained growth through different market conditions .
Speaker #3: Our disciplined execution continues to produce measurable results with each of our core home medical equipment lines delivering strong performance this quarter . In alignment with our strategic priorities .
Speaker #3: Ventilation remains the cornerstone of our business , providing a strong and reliable foundation as we continue to expand and diversify our services for another consecutive quarter , ventilation revenue achieved double digit year over year growth , demonstrating sustained demand for our differentiated clinical model .
Speaker #3: This quarter brought an important win for patients in the courts regarding Medicare Advantage coverage , which is expected to significantly improve access and streamline approvals .
Speaker #3: The regulatory process toward clear and objective qualifying criteria is something we long advocated for, and we're pleased to see these efforts coming to fruition.
Speaker #3: Looking ahead , we continue to execute on the implementation of the new national coverage determination requirements for at home ventilation . While the policy took effect in June , many of its impacts will begin to materialize in the coming months .
Speaker #3: Our clinical teams are fully engaged to ensure readiness and compliance , positioning by Med to capitalize on regulatory changes while maintaining the highest standards of patient care .
Speaker #3: These initiatives are expected to improve payment flows through Medicare Advantage channels while preserving seamless patient experiences and strengthening our leadership in compliance and clinical outcomes .
Speaker #3: Sleep growth accelerated meaningfully this quarter , driven by record new patient starts and continued expansion of our long term resupply base . New fleet patient starts grew 96% year over year .
Speaker #3: While our resupply population increased 51% year over year and 33% sequentially . For the first time since disclosing our new sleep metrics , our resupply population surpassed our therapy rental base an important milestone that highlights the strength of our model in converting short term therapy patients into lasting resupply relationships that generate recurring revenue .
Speaker #3: The addition of 2465 patients from lesions further amplified this momentum and expanded our sleep footprint into new markets . Together , these results reflect strong organic execution and seamless integration , positioning us to deliver another record quarter and reinforce sleep as a key driver of Imds diversified growth .
Speaker #3: Our healthcare staffing division continues to demonstrate remarkable resilience in an evolving marketplace anchored by our behavioral health staffing specialties . The division is delivering sustained growth and generating valuable operational synergies by providing in-house healthcare recruiting to support our broader patient care services .
Speaker #3: This performance underscores the strategic value of our diversified service portfolio and reinforces our confidence in staffing as a reliable and growing contributor to meds .
Speaker #3: Overall success . Maternity has now become an exciting part of our portfolio through the successful integration of Leon's medical equipment . This quarter , we built our first maternity claims outside of the acquired Leon network and made substantial progress toward a national rollout , establishing a scalable platform for this entirely new service offering maternal health is poised to be a significant growth driver in 2026 , expanding our footprint beyond respiratory and services while leveraging national infrastructure , operational expertise and clinical excellence .
Speaker #3: These results underscore how the addition of this new service line , combined with disciplined execution across all segments , continues to advance our strategic priorities and position by med for long term sustainable growth , outpacing the performance of comparable peers in our sector .
Speaker #3: Innovation continues to be a key driver of our long term value . This quarter , we focused on deploying AI powered revenue cycle management tools .
Speaker #3: Initially targeting our rapidly growing sleep business . Early results are very promising , with improved efficiency , accuracy and scalability , and billing and collections .
Speaker #3: We plan to extend these tools across the other service lines in Q4 and into 2026 . Further leveraging operational efficiencies and improving the patient experience through innovation , adaptability and discipline execution .
Speaker #3: We remain confident in our ability to drive future growth and deliver lasting value for patients , partners and shareholders . Our strong operational performance continues to provide the flexibility to invest in growth while delivering meaningful value to shareholders .
Speaker #3: This quarter , we completed our 2025 share repurchase program and successfully integrated Leon's medical equipment . Both initiatives were immediately accretive and clearly reflect our disciplined approach to capital allocation .
Speaker #3: These actions enhance Vyvanse's ability to pursue strategic growth opportunities , including targeted acquisitions , technology investments , and national service expansion . At the same time , we are broadening patient access and improving outcomes through the continued growth of our sleep and maternal health programs , combined with proactive preparation for upcoming regulatory changes .
Speaker #3: These efforts positioned bind to drive sustainable , differentiated growth while creating long term value for shareholders . None of these achievements would be possible without the dedication and ability of our people .
Speaker #3: I want to recognize our clinical staff , operational teams and our new colleagues from Leon's for their hard work and commitment to our patients .
Speaker #3: We also deeply appreciate our partners in referring providers whose collaboration drives growth and ensures that patients receive the best care possible . It is this culture and teamwork and shared purpose that sets it apart .
Speaker #3: Quarter after quarter , as we look ahead , our mission remains clear to improve lives and deliver lasting value for all of our stakeholders .
Speaker #3: With a strong quarter behind us and our strategic initiatives well underway , I'll now turn the call over to Todd Zender , our chief Operating officer .
Speaker #3: Todd will provide a detailed review of our financial and operational results and guidance for the remainder of the year . Todd . All right .
Speaker #3: Thank you , Casey .
Speaker #4: And good morning , everyone , and reviewing the financial results . All figures are in US dollars and our full results have been filed with the SEC .
Speaker #4: I'll be referencing information available in our quarterly financial supplement , which can also be found on our Investor Relations website . Starting with the top line , we delivered record revenue of 71.9 million , representing 24% growth year over year , and 14% sequential growth from the second quarter .
Speaker #4: This strong performance reflects both solid organic growth and the immediate accretion from the Leon's acquisition , which continues to diversify our business and strengthen our foundation for long term expansion .
Speaker #4: Gross profit for the quarter was 41.3 million , or 57.5% . Gross margin . Adjusted EBITDA reached 16.1 million , up 16% from the prior year , representing a 22.4% margin .
Speaker #4: A strong result given our continued investments in growth in diversification . Net income for the quarter was 3.5 million , or $0.09 per diluted share .
Speaker #4: Operationally , we continue to see solid momentum across our diversifying patient base . In addition to steady growth in ventilation , Pat therapy patients increased 64% year over year and 21% sequentially in the third quarter .
Speaker #4: Our portfolio is also expanding with the addition of maternal health products from Leon's acquisition . This mix is broadening our reach , improving scalability , and supporting an efficient growth model as we continue to scale on the cost side and expenses were 44.4% of revenue , a 160 basis point improvement compared to last year , and a 130 basis point improved sequentially .
Speaker #4: This progress reflects the benefit of our evolving product mix , where our newer offerings tend to carry lower gross margins , but also require less fixed infrastructure , resulting in lower SGA .
Speaker #4: Combined with our disciplined cost management and ongoing investments in technology , operations and people , these efficiencies are driving continued improvement and operating leverage as we scale gross capital expenditures were 7.6 million in the quarter , down from $11 million a year ago as spending normalized following the completion of the Philips in Exchange program , including equipment sales .
Speaker #4: Net CapEx totaled $6 million . We continue to fund our CapEx entirely from discretionary cash flow and maintain excellent cash flow conversion . I want to take a moment to talk about free cash flow , which we view as an important reflection of the strength and efficiency of our business model throughout our history , we funded our growth through internally generated cash flow and have done so profitably every year since becoming a public company .
Speaker #4: Today , our scale and operating discipline are driving consistent , sustainable , free cash flow generation that gives us tremendous flexibility to invest and grow because quarterly results can be influenced by timing of certain payments .
Speaker #4: We've also started highlighting trailing 12 month free cash flow as a more stable way to reflect the underlying trends in our cash generation .
Speaker #4: As of quarter end , trailing 12 month free cash flow totaled 23.3 million , up significantly from the prior year . And we expect that positive momentum to remain strong through the fourth quarter and into next year .
Speaker #4: As long as we're growing organically and generating strong , free cash flow will keep putting our capital to work where it drives the most value .
Speaker #4: That means continuing to invest in profitable growth, pursuing smart acquisitions when the fit is right, and returning capital to shareholders when it makes sense.
Speaker #4: Along those lines , in September , we completed the share repurchase program authorized by our board . This marks our third buyback program since becoming public , and this time we we repurchased nearly 2 million shares at an average price of approximately $6.69 .
Speaker #4: Our balance sheet remains a key strength and gives us plenty of flexibility and liquidity to invest and grow . At quarter end , we had $11.1 million of cash working capital of 5.8 million and long term debt of only 19.6 million , which we've already paid down 5 million of that in October .
Speaker #4: We also had 38 million available on our credit facilities , plus another 30 million through the accordion feature if needed . With this strong financial position , we are well prepared to execute quickly and decisively should an attractive acquisition opportunity arise , we're updating our full year outlook to reflect better visibility in the continued shift in our product and service mix .
Speaker #4: We now expect net revenue between 271 and 273 million compared to our prior range of 271 to 277 million . Adjusted EBITDA is now expected to come in between 60 and 62 million , or roughly 22% of revenue versus our previous range of 59 to 62 million .
Speaker #4: The narrow range reflects greater visibility as we move throughout the year , and our updated assumptions give us a clear view of product product level growth .
Speaker #4: Some of our lower margin ancillary services , including staffing , are now expected to grow a little slower than we had projected . While higher margin lines , especially sleep , are tracking ahead of expectations .
Speaker #4: Taken together , these trends should modestly improve our projected overall EBITDA margins , with a relatively neutral impact to total revenue . Looking ahead , we're confident in the strength of our business model and our ability to sustain solid margins while continuing to generate record levels of free cash flow as we close out on the year , our focus stays on disciplined execution , integrating recent acquisitions and positioning the business for another year of profitable growth .
Speaker #4: In 2026 . We want to thank you for joining us today . This concludes our prepared remarks , and we'll now open up the call for questions .
Speaker #1: Thank you . And at this time , we'll conduct our question and answer session . If you would like to ask a question please press star one on your telephone keypad .
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Speaker #1: Your first question comes from Doug Cooper with Beacon Securities . Please state your question .
Speaker #5: Hi . Good morning guys , and congratulations on another good quarter . Just first of all , I just wanted to confirm , excluding the contribution from lay hands , which I guess was a full quarter contribution , organic growth .
Speaker #5: I get around 1,314% . Is that in the ballpark ?
Speaker #4: 14% ? I believe is on the revenue growth . It was 14 . Yeah , 14% .
Speaker #5: Okay . What do you just on the sleep obviously tremendous numbers there . What do you attribute the growth to . You're certainly seeing much higher growth than anybody in the peer group .
Speaker #5: So are you gaining share there or what are you maybe just talk about that a little bit .
Speaker #3: Yeah I mean we're we're gaining share everywhere we go . You know you got to keep in mind , Doug , that we really didn't start selling sleep until , you know , I guess right before Covid around the country , while it was a big part of our corporate upbringing and company history , you know , we started in sleep over here in Louisiana back in oh six and kind of grew into ventilation .
Speaker #3: So we we had a lot of experience with the product and the offering . But we chose not to launch it until we had good insurance contracts and infrastructure set up throughout the country .
Speaker #3: So we know it's even though it's been around since our inception , we really haven't started pushing it until , you know , call it 5 or 6 years ago .
Speaker #3: So what you're seeing is we're now hiring reps , you know , specific to selling sleep . They're not complex respiratory reps . They're they're heavily focused on sleep .
Speaker #3: And we'll probably leverage them some breast pump sales for those reps as well . Throughout the country . But everywhere they go , they're they're gaining market share .
Speaker #3: Their prospective towns clicking on all cylinders . We've really done a good job of training them up and getting them to be armed and dangerous and ready to hit .
Speaker #3: New referral sources . We're able to hire at different type of rep than you know , your traditional complex respiratory rep . Just young and hungry , go getter fits the bill sometimes to for this sales rep .
Speaker #3: And so we're seeing a lot of good success with just some good people spread out throughout the country.
Speaker #5: Right . Well , congratulations on that . Just looking at I've been reading , you know , seeing competitive bid keep , you know , popping up in articles around obviously the government shut down now .
Speaker #5: But just some comments around competitive bidding. And do you think it comes back? And I'm assuming Leanne's, you know, the breast pump just as a for instance probably doesn't have any issue with that.
Speaker #5: But maybe just comment generally on the situation . There .
Speaker #4: Yeah . I mean we we fully anticipate competitive bidding coming back at some point . And I think like we said last time , if your operationally sound and if you're larger , you probably tend to win more contracts .
Speaker #4: So we're not afraid of the bidding program . I think it was heavily commented on by public . And there's a lot of interest in making sure the program is designed correctly .
Speaker #4: So we'll be paying attention to what the final rule looks like when , when , and if it does come out . And we fully anticipate being a participant in virtually all of those cbas as it relates to the maternal side of the business .
Speaker #4: No , I mean , obviously Medicare is not going to be paying for breast pumps , as that's a 65 year old generally .
Speaker #4: And so not not going to be in that business market . So that's heavily commercial . And Medicaid around the country . So that that program is , you know , rather insulated from any competitive bidding program .
Speaker #4: And the other thing I would say , just as a reminder for everyone , is that we still generate a significant portion of our revenue stream when in the competitive bid products , be it sleep and oxygen , primarily from our rural areas .
Speaker #4: And so those have some impact , but not as dramatic as these large MSAs where the significant potential either consolidation or rates or existing .
Speaker #5: Right . And this final one for me , you know , another good quarter . All the KPIs trending in the right direction .
Speaker #5: Stock's down 2.5% . You know , the stock based on your guidance for this year for let alone next year . Just on this year I think it trades about four times EBITDA obviously why you've been buying back a bunch of stock .
Speaker #5: The whole health care sector in general is underperforming . You know , a couple of years ago , all the focus on the Olympics and GLP one drugs , you know , I think it's down 60% from its peak .
Speaker #5: What do you think is going to take to get to investor interest and get this sector turned around ? And I'll leave it there .
Speaker #5: Thanks , guys .
Speaker #4: Yeah . Thanks , Doug . And I'll tell you , you know , it's it's one of the harder questions we get because we don't we're not the market is .
Speaker #4: And but I'll tell you the way that we are forecasting our free cash flow , I think a multiple reset is just going to have to happen because we are we're we're generating as much discretionary free cash flow as anybody in the industry or most healthcare providers .
Speaker #4: So I don't know exactly how that will translate into the stock price . But as we've done in the past , we will monitor capital allocation very aggressively .
Speaker #4: And to the extent we see the best use of capital is returning that to shareholders virtually . I mean , very likely through buybacks , we'll continuously analyze that .
Speaker #4: Right now , we're paying off the debt as fast as we ever thought . We could . And once that runs out , we'll we'll look at the the acquisition landscape .
Speaker #4: But be very in tune to additional buybacks. If the stock warrants that, okay.
Speaker #5: Thanks , guys .
Speaker #4: Thanks , Doug .
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Robert Lynch with Stonegate . Please state your question .
Speaker #6: Hey , Todd . Hey , Trey . Hey , Casey . Just dialing in here for Dave Storms . Congratulations on the quarter .
Speaker #6: Just have a few questions here . First one , being around the payer mix this quarter , it looks like it shifted with lower Medicare exposure .
Speaker #6: So I guess you know , what are you seeing on the authorization friction ? You know , realized rates and DSO as the mix tilts further for Medicare , you know , and how should we think about , you know , audit , audit risk into 2026 ?
Speaker #4: Yeah , I mean , we're definitely seeing the payer mix shift pretty aggressively , just as the product mix is shifting aggressively . And the sales and rental shift is , is , is on .
Speaker #4: And all of that is in our supplement . And really that's as a result of , you know , further diversification , bringing on Leon's is a , you know , they're virtually a 0% Medicare company .
Speaker #4: I mean , they have some in their sleep and other DME , but all of that breast pump revenue , which you can see now makes up 6% of our our company .
Speaker #4: That is a non-medicare . And a lot of that revenue would be in that wedge of sales , which is 30% . I do want to comment though , Medicare is a great payer .
Speaker #4: They don't , you know , they pay timely . They they they do audit . We all know that . But we we welcome audits because we tend to do pretty well with it .
Speaker #4: And I think what you're seeing and I don't have an updated DSO , but our IR is pretty low right now . And that means that our revenue cycle team is converting those bills into cash .
Speaker #4: And we're using that cash to pay up , pay down the debt , or , you know , all those other capital allocation priorities that I just mentioned .
Speaker #6: Right . I really appreciate the color there . I guess next one around , just some operational level levers . Excuse me . You know , what levers do you think you can pull to protect , mix and margin as sleep and resupply end up outgrowing vents , you know , and especially as the Chicago footprint scales under Leon's acquisition , I guess .
Speaker #6: What does that look like ?
Speaker #4: Well , I think what you'll see is gross margin . If we grow sleep as fast as we're growing it , we'll always have some pressure .
Speaker #4: We are doing some things that are, in cases, prepared remarks. We talked about some technology initiatives that we are using just on the sheer number of new patients.
Speaker #4: We're using some , if you want to call it AI based intake . And it's really streamlining the process , helping shave off days to get patients set up , which means that there should be better compliance .
Speaker #4: All of those things are things that will help the sleep division operate efficiently , and hopefully at a higher margin . But it's going to be hard to offset the difference in the gross margin between event , patient and a sleep patient .
Speaker #4: With that said , I want to point out , you know , we had 160 basis point improvement in sleep and a amongst the company at a at a total level , which we think that if we give up a little bit in the gross margin , we should be able to make that up on the A line .
Speaker #4: And as long as our free cash flow , our net income margins continue to hang in there , we're we're entirely comfortable about how we're diversifying the company .
Speaker #6: That sounds great . One last one for me around growth . So , you know , you guys had an emphasis on rural communities .
Speaker #6: So what geographies I guess . Do you have listed as tier one ? You know , going into the new year , you know , what's the focus .
Speaker #3: Yeah , I mean the focus is really to stay kind of close to where our next rep is , which does put us in the rural markets .
Speaker #3: I mean , we're not strong in New York City . We're not strong out West . But , you know , we have plenty of opportunity to just hop 60 miles away from the next rep , not run into each other , and then be able to leverage a lot of our clinicians .
Speaker #3: So that's always the wisest way to grow . And , you know , we're we're constantly looking for that next market that makes good sense for us to go to today .
Speaker #3: We have lots of just new data points and AI tools that are really teeing up the opportunity for us down the road. That's very interesting.
Speaker #3: And that's evolving every day . So we've got more ammunition than we've ever had before , and to making wiser decisions on when to go and how far to go and so on and so forth .
Speaker #3: But traditionally , we're just trying to just expand from where we exist today , which is , you know , the Deep South into the COPD prevalent areas of the coal miners region and the hills of Kentucky and Tennessee and West Virginia and so on and so forth .
Speaker #3: It's not that we're ignoring rural . I mean , metropolitan zones , but that's just been our sweet spot . There's plenty of area to grow right down the road from where we're at .
Speaker #2: Yeah . And then I would I guess I would add to Robert , you know , on the maternity side , it's really nationwide , right ?
Speaker #2: We don't provide those . We provide those in very limited areas right now outside of Leon's , Illinois . You know , we started started doing some of that with our legacy business as well .
Speaker #2: But 2026 is going to be a nationwide approach to maternity across everywhere that we currently operate and don't have that offering.
Speaker #6: Okay , great . Really appreciate the color . I think that's it for me . And good luck in Q4 .
Speaker #3: Thanks , Robert .
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Ilya Zubkov with freedom Broker . Please state your question .
Speaker #7: Good morning and thank you for taking my question . I have a question related to the sleep therapy business . I noticed that revenue per one patient in this segment has been declining sequentially .
Speaker #7: This year. Could you please explain the main factors driving this trend?
Speaker #2: Well , yeah , I'll take this . This is Trey . Well , we don't disclose revenue just for the sleep side of the business .
Speaker #2: You're probably looking at the other sales , which does include some other products . So keep that in mind . But just in general , thinking about the evolution of the sleep business and going from , you know , you can see the , the metric for the first time this period where resupply overtook our therapy patients .
Speaker #2: They have a slightly different they have a slightly different revenue profile . Right ? One , the therapy patient is on the rental side .
Speaker #2: That's separate . And then the the resupply side is going to be in sales . And so that the actual realizations on the sleep side are extremely stable .
Speaker #2: If you think about a resupply patient , it's , you know , two orders per year , $200 an order , roughly 50% gross margin .
Speaker #2: And that's been stable from when you know , this business was , you know , 5% of our business , up to 20% of our business , as it stands now .
Speaker #7: Okay . Thank you . This is helpful . And you've mentioned the plan investments in technological development . So I'm just wondering , what do you see as the priority areas of this advancements in mid-term ?
Speaker #7: Where do you plan to focus your investment ? There ?
Speaker #4: Right now what we're doing , I mean , the single largest one that we're making is in like we mentioned in the intake division , because it's a very manual and you're dealing with fax machines and so forth .
Speaker #4: So we're doing a lot in that . And it's alive in at least the sleep division nationwide . And we're going to push it into our other product .
Speaker #4: We're not exactly sure what the next process that we're going to try to use AI in , but we have an entire team that is meeting regularly to see which which processes could benefit the most .
Speaker #4: And at the same time , our technology team is out there scouring the tools that are available . And so ultimately , we're not exactly sure what the next one is .
Speaker #4: But I can promise you there will be more AI slash machine learning to help with the operational lift of our company over the next quarter, year to years.
Speaker #4: Because they are they're coming out as very quickly and it's all upside to our scalability , efficiencies and operational acumen .
Speaker #7: Okay . That's great . Thank you very much .
Speaker #4: Thanks .
Speaker #1: And there are no further questions at this time . So I'll hand the floor back to management for closing remarks .
Speaker #4: All right . Well we want to thank everybody for listening in . If there's follow up questions , please reach out to us and have a good day .