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Q4 2025 ManpowerGroup Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Welcome to ManpowerGroup's fourth-quarter earnings results conference call. You will be put into listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session begins. This call is being recorded.
Operator: Welcome to ManpowerGroup's Q4 earnings results conference call. You'll be put into listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session time begins. This call is being recorded. If you care to drop off now, please do so. I would now like to turn the call over to ManpowerGroup's chair and CEO, Mr. Jonas Prising. Sir, you may begin.
Operator: Welcome to ManpowerGroup's Q4 earnings results conference call. You'll be put into listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session time begins. This call is being recorded. If you care to drop off now, please do so. I would now like to turn the call over to ManpowerGroup's chair and CEO, Mr. Jonas Prising. Sir, you may begin.
Speaker #1: If you care to drop off now, please do so. I would now like to turn the call over to ManpowerGroup's Chair and CEO, Mr. Jonas Prising.
Speaker #1: Sir, you may begin.
Speaker #2: Good morning and thank you for joining us for our fourth-quarter 2025 conference call. Our Chief Financial Officer, Jack McGinnis, and our President and Chief Strategy Officer, Becky Frankewitz, are both with me today.
Jonas Prising: Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 2025 conference call. Our Chief Financial Officer, Jack McGinnis, and our President and Chief Strategy Officer, Becky Frankewitz, are both with me today. For your convenience, our prepared remarks are available in the Investor Relations section of our website at manpowergroup.com. I'll begin with a brief overview of the quarter and the full year, including how we're seeing conditions evolve across markets and what that means for our execution. Becky will ground us in the broader environment, what we're hearing directly from the market, and how we're evaluating those insights as we position the business. Jack will then walk through the detailed financial results and our guidance for Q1 2026. I'll close with a few comments before we open the line for Q&A. Jack will now cover the safe harbor language.
Jonas Prising: Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 2025 conference call. Our Chief Financial Officer, Jack McGinnis, and our President and Chief Strategy Officer, Becky Frankewitz, are both with me today. For your convenience, our prepared remarks are available in the Investor Relations section of our website at manpowergroup.com. I'll begin with a brief overview of the quarter and the full year, including how we're seeing conditions evolve across markets and what that means for our execution. Becky will ground us in the broader environment, what we're hearing directly from the market, and how we're evaluating those insights as we position the business. Jack will then walk through the detailed financial results and our guidance for Q1 2026. I'll close with a few comments before we open the line for Q&A. Jack will now cover the safe harbor language.
Speaker #2: For your convenience, I've prepared remarks that are available in the Investor Relations section of our website at manpowergroup.com. I'll begin with a brief overview of the quarter and the full year, including how we're seeing conditions evolve across markets and what that means for our execution.
Speaker #2: Becky will ground us in the broader environment, what we're hearing directly from the market, and how we're evaluating those insights as we position the business.
Speaker #2: Jack will then walk through the detailed financial results and our guidance for the first quarter of 2026. I'll close with a few comments before we open the line for Q&A.
Speaker #2: Jack will now cover the safe harbor language.
Speaker #3: Good morning, everyone. This conference call includes forward-looking statements, including statements concerning economic and geopolitical uncertainty, which are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties.
Jack McGinnis: Good morning, everyone. This conference call includes forward-looking statements, including statements concerning economic and geopolitical uncertainty, which are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties. These statements are based on management's current expectations or beliefs. Actual results might differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Slide 2 of our earnings release presentation further identifies forward-looking statements made in this call, factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially, and information regarding reconciliation of non-GAAP measures.
Jack McGinnis: Good morning, everyone. This conference call includes forward-looking statements, including statements concerning economic and geopolitical uncertainty, which are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties. These statements are based on management's current expectations or beliefs. Actual results might differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Slide 2 of our earnings release presentation further identifies forward-looking statements made in this call, factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially, and information regarding reconciliation of non-GAAP measures.
Speaker #3: These statements are based on management's current expectations or beliefs, actual results might differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements.
Speaker #3: Slide 2 of our earnings release presentation further identifies forward-looking statements made in this call and factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially and information regarding reconciliation of non-GAAP measures.
Speaker #3: Slide 2 of our earnings release presentation further identifies forward-looking statements made in this call and factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially and information regarding reconciliation of non-GAAP
Speaker #2: Thanks, Jack. Let me begin by saying we're pleased with our fourth-quarter results, which marked a clear shift to stabilization led by enterprise demand and supported by disciplined execution and a continued commitment to cost-optimization.
Jonas Prising: Thanks, Jack. Let me begin by saying we're pleased with our fourth quarter results, which marked a clear shift to stabilization led by enterprise demand and supported by disciplined execution and a continued commitment to cost optimization. In the fourth quarter, we delivered reported revenues of $4.7 billion, which represented organic constant currency growth of 2%. System-wide revenue, which includes our expanding franchise revenue base, was $5.1 billion. Our EBITDA margin of 2.1% reflects improving demand trends across core markets as well as P&L leverage. Though we faced strong headwinds during the first half of 2025, reflected in our full-year results, we are encouraged by our fourth quarter performance, which demonstrated sequential improvement through year-end. As we move through the fourth quarter, revenue trends strengthened in several key markets.
Jonas Prising: Thanks, Jack. Let me begin by saying we're pleased with our fourth quarter results, which marked a clear shift to stabilization led by enterprise demand and supported by disciplined execution and a continued commitment to cost optimization. In the fourth quarter, we delivered reported revenues of $4.7 billion, which represented organic constant currency growth of 2%. System-wide revenue, which includes our expanding franchise revenue base, was $5.1 billion. Our EBITDA margin of 2.1% reflects improving demand trends across core markets as well as P&L leverage. Though we faced strong headwinds during the first half of 2025, reflected in our full-year results, we are encouraged by our fourth quarter performance, which demonstrated sequential improvement through year-end. As we move through the fourth quarter, revenue trends strengthened in several key markets.
Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter, we delivered reported revenues of $4.7 billion which represented organic constant currency growth of 2%. System-wide revenue, which includes our expanding franchise revenue base, was $5.1 billion.
Speaker #2: Just at EBITDA margin of 2.1% reflects improving demand trends across core markets as well as P&L leverage. Though we face strong headwinds during the first half of 2025, reflected in our full-year results, we are encouraged by our fourth-quarter performance, which demonstrated sequential improvement through year-end.
Speaker #2: As we move through the fourth quarter, revenue trends strengthened in several key markets. Clients remain deliberate in their hiring given the macro backdrop, yet engagement levels are steady and activity is becoming more consistent.
Jonas Prising: Clients remain deliberate in their hiring given the macro backdrop, yet engagement levels are steady and activity is becoming more consistent. Importantly, while we're not yet calling a broad-based recovery, we are seeing clear sequential improvement in key demand indicators, including Manpower associates on assignments in key markets such as the US and France, which are performing better than expected, with France in particular showing resilience despite ongoing political and budget uncertainty. Markets such as Italy and Spain stabilized earlier and began to inflect, with Italy standing out as a clear outperformer on both growth and margin. These trends reinforce our view that the shape of the recovery can be different by market, with some inflecting earlier and others requiring longer periods of stabilization first.
Clients remain deliberate in their hiring given the macro backdrop, yet engagement levels are steady and activity is becoming more consistent. Importantly, while we're not yet calling a broad-based recovery, we are seeing clear sequential improvement in key demand indicators, including Manpower associates on assignments in key markets such as the US and France, which are performing better than expected, with France in particular showing resilience despite ongoing political and budget uncertainty. Markets such as Italy and Spain stabilized earlier and began to inflect, with Italy standing out as a clear outperformer on both growth and margin. These trends reinforce our view that the shape of the recovery can be different by market, with some inflecting earlier and others requiring longer periods of stabilization first.
Speaker #2: Importantly, while we're not yet calling a broad-based recovery, we are seeing clear sequential improvement in key demand indicators, including Manpower associates on assignments in key markets such as the US and France, which are performing better than expected, with France in particular showing resilience despite ongoing political and budget uncertainty.
Speaker #2: Markets such as Italy and Spain stabilized earlier and began to inflect, with Italy standing out as a clear outperformer on both growth and margin.
Speaker #2: These trends reinforce our view that the shape of the recovery can be different by market, with some inflecting earlier and others requiring longer periods of stabilization first.
Speaker #2: Against this backdrop, our priorities remain clear: execute with rigor, maintain cost discipline, and leverage our digitization advantage to position the business to generate operating leverage as demand improves.
Jonas Prising: Against this backdrop, our priorities remain clear: execute with rigor, maintain cost discipline, and leverage our digitization advantage to position the business to generate operating leverage as demand improves. We are working to ensure that we're structurally stronger, more efficient, agile, and better positioned to capture share. To that end, our diversified multi-brand portfolio continues to perform well in a selective demand environment and plays a critical role in earnings durability. Manpower addresses in-demand, AI-resilient skills at scale, supporting clients from entry-level to specialized roles in growth sectors, and has grown for three consecutive quarters, with six quarters in the US. Experis, our brand providing specialized technology talent and services that maximize returns on digital, cloud, AI, and data investments, has seen the rate of decline narrowing and sequential improvement through the second half of the year.
Against this backdrop, our priorities remain clear: execute with rigor, maintain cost discipline, and leverage our digitization advantage to position the business to generate operating leverage as demand improves. We are working to ensure that we're structurally stronger, more efficient, agile, and better positioned to capture share. To that end, our diversified multi-brand portfolio continues to perform well in a selective demand environment and plays a critical role in earnings durability. Manpower addresses in-demand, AI-resilient skills at scale, supporting clients from entry-level to specialized roles in growth sectors, and has grown for three consecutive quarters, with six quarters in the US. Experis, our brand providing specialized technology talent and services that maximize returns on digital, cloud, AI, and data investments, has seen the rate of decline narrowing and sequential improvement through the second half of the year.
Speaker #2: We are working to ensure that we're structurally stronger, more efficient, agile, and better positioned to capture share. To that end, our diversified multi-brand portfolio continues to perform well in a selective demand environment and plays a critical role in earnings durability.
Speaker #2: Manpower addresses in-demand, AI resilient skills at scale, supporting clients from entry level to specialized roles in growth sectors and has grown for three consecutive quarters, with six quarters in the US.
Speaker #2: Experis, our brand providing specialized technology talent and services that maximize returns on digital, cloud, AI, and data investments, has seen the rate of decline narrowing and sequential improvement through the second half of the year.
Speaker #2: Talent Solutions delivers scaled enterprise offerings, including Tapton MSP, Wright Management Outplacement and Consulting, and Wichita Growth in the quarter. Firm recruitment across brands, including our Talent Solutions RPO offering, continues to face a challenging environment.
Jonas Prising: Talent Solutions delivers scaled enterprise offerings, including TAPFIN MSP, Right Management, outplacement, and consulting, which saw growth in the quarter. Permanent recruitment across brands, including our Talent Solutions RPO offering, continues to face a challenging environment. As demand stabilizes, this breadth of our portfolio and geographic footprint positions us to improve win rates, capture share, and generate stronger incremental margins. We are pleased with our progress, but a long way from being satisfied, and we will continue to focus on improving the current trajectory. On that point, let me provide an update on our cost discipline and operating leverage. Cost discipline remains a core leadership priority across our operations. Over the last three years, we have taken decisive actions to structurally reduce costs and align capacity with demand.
Talent Solutions delivers scaled enterprise offerings, including TAPFIN MSP, Right Management, outplacement, and consulting, which saw growth in the quarter. Permanent recruitment across brands, including our Talent Solutions RPO offering, continues to face a challenging environment. As demand stabilizes, this breadth of our portfolio and geographic footprint positions us to improve win rates, capture share, and generate stronger incremental margins. We are pleased with our progress, but a long way from being satisfied, and we will continue to focus on improving the current trajectory. On that point, let me provide an update on our cost discipline and operating leverage. Cost discipline remains a core leadership priority across our operations. Over the last three years, we have taken decisive actions to structurally reduce costs and align capacity with demand.
Speaker #2: As demand stabilizes, this breadth of our portfolio and geographic footprint positions us to improve win rates, capture share, and generate stronger incremental margins. We are pleased with our progress, but a long way from being satisfied, and we will continue to focus on improving the current trajectory.
Speaker #2: On that point, let me provide an update on our cost discipline and operating leverage. Cost discipline remains a core leadership priority across our operations.
Speaker #2: Over the last three years, we have taken decisive actions to structurally reduce costs and align capacity with demand. These actions include permanent changes to our operating model in our back office and technology infrastructure, as well as targeted adjustments to current market conditions.
Jonas Prising: These actions include permanent changes to our operating model in our back office and technology infrastructure, as well as targeted adjustments to current market conditions. Our efforts were further on display during Q4 as we delivered a 4% constant currency reduction in SG&A while driving organic growth. This reflects both structural cost reductions and tighter discretionary spend. Further, we accelerated cost actions across corporate functions in select geographies, sharpened capacity alignment, and reduced overheads. These actions are translating into improved profitability across the portfolio. For instance, for the first time in five quarters, we delivered positive operating profit in our Northern European business this quarter, a region where we've been highly focused on right-sizing the cost base. Importantly, we have more opportunity to enhance our cost structure across our global business.
These actions include permanent changes to our operating model in our back office and technology infrastructure, as well as targeted adjustments to current market conditions. Our efforts were further on display during Q4 as we delivered a 4% constant currency reduction in SG&A while driving organic growth. This reflects both structural cost reductions and tighter discretionary spend. Further, we accelerated cost actions across corporate functions in select geographies, sharpened capacity alignment, and reduced overheads. These actions are translating into improved profitability across the portfolio. For instance, for the first time in five quarters, we delivered positive operating profit in our Northern European business this quarter, a region where we've been highly focused on right-sizing the cost base. Importantly, we have more opportunity to enhance our cost structure across our global business.
Speaker #2: Our efforts were further on display during the fourth quarter. As we delivered a 4% constant currency reduction in SG&A, while driving organic growth. This reflects both structural cost reductions and tighter discretionary spend.
Speaker #2: Further, we accelerated cost actions across corporate functions and select geographies to sharpen capacity alignment and reduce overheads. These actions are translating into improved profitability across the portfolio.
Speaker #2: For instance, for the first time in five quarters, we delivered positive operating profit in our Northern European business this quarter—the region where we've been highly focused on right-sizing the cost base.
Speaker #2: Importantly, we have more opportunity to enhance our cost structure across our global business. Jack will provide additional details on these efforts, including ongoing optimization actions, particularly in North America, as part of our broader transformation program.
Jonas Prising: Jack will provide additional details on these efforts, including ongoing optimization actions, particularly in North America, as part of our broader transformation program. Before that, let me turn it over to Becky to expand on the work we're doing to capture critical market insights that are evolving our business model in line with changing customer needs and candidate behaviors.
Jack will provide additional details on these efforts, including ongoing optimization actions, particularly in North America, as part of our broader transformation program. Before that, let me turn it over to Becky to expand on the work we're doing to capture critical market insights that are evolving our business model in line with changing customer needs and candidate behaviors.
Speaker #2: Before that, let me turn it over to Becky to expand on the work we're doing to capture critical market insights that are evolving our business model in line with changing customer needs and candidate behaviors.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Jonas. Glad to be with you all this morning. My remit for ManpowerGroup is focused on three areas: driving commercial excellence, evolving our core capabilities to better serve the business, and infusing AI in the organization for today and tomorrow.
Becky Frankewitz: Thanks, Jonas. Glad to be with you all this morning. My remit for ManpowerGroup is focused on three areas: driving commercial excellence, evolving our core capabilities to better serve the business, and infusing AI in the organization for today and tomorrow. In recent months, we have embarked on a comprehensive process to evaluate our strategy and priorities as AI accelerates and client and candidate needs change. As part of this work, we've engaged a wide set of experts inside and outside our industry, including our clients and candidates, to conduct independent research and rigorous analysis across both technology and human behavior. While we are still early in this process, this work is surfacing two clear macro themes around how clients and candidates want to engage with us. First, flexibility. Candidates are increasingly looking to curate flexible engagement models for when, where, and how they contribute to work.
Becky Frankiewicz: Thanks, Jonas. Glad to be with you all this morning. My remit for ManpowerGroup is focused on three areas: driving commercial excellence, evolving our core capabilities to better serve the business, and infusing AI in the organization for today and tomorrow. In recent months, we have embarked on a comprehensive process to evaluate our strategy and priorities as AI accelerates and client and candidate needs change. As part of this work, we've engaged a wide set of experts inside and outside our industry, including our clients and candidates, to conduct independent research and rigorous analysis across both technology and human behavior. While we are still early in this process, this work is surfacing two clear macro themes around how clients and candidates want to engage with us. First, flexibility. Candidates are increasingly looking to curate flexible engagement models for when, where, and how they contribute to work.
Speaker #3: In recent months, we have embarked on a comprehensive process to evaluate our strategy and priorities as AI accelerates, and client and candidate needs change.
Speaker #3: As part of this work, we've engaged a wide set of experts, inside and outside our industry, including our clients and candidates, to conduct independent research and rigorous analysis across both technology and human behavior.
Speaker #3: While we are still early in this process, this work is surfacing two clear macro themes around how clients and candidates want to engage with us.
Speaker #3: First, flexibility. Candidates are increasingly looking to curate flexible engagement models for when, where, and how they contribute to work. Our clients are also seeking flexibility to attract talent and to remain agile in the changing landscape.
Becky Frankewitz: Our clients are also seeking flexibility to attract talent and to remain agile in the changing landscape. The second theme is how AI will shape workforce composition. Our clients are asking tough questions. How could I get work done in the future? What are the new paths between humans and technology? They are increasingly seeking our advisory capabilities on new ways to get work done beyond the traditional models, advancing the paths of temp and perm alongside newer models of flexibility like gig and freelance, and they are seeking guidance on the newest path to work, leveraging AI in combination with humans for productivity and for growth. From this research and our continuous connections with clients across every industry, the intersection of AI and workforce readiness is an urgent priority. Unlocking productivity gains and growth will depend on combining technology adoption with workforce transformation.
Our clients are also seeking flexibility to attract talent and to remain agile in the changing landscape. The second theme is how AI will shape workforce composition. Our clients are asking tough questions. How could I get work done in the future? What are the new paths between humans and technology? They are increasingly seeking our advisory capabilities on new ways to get work done beyond the traditional models, advancing the paths of temp and perm alongside newer models of flexibility like gig and freelance, and they are seeking guidance on the newest path to work, leveraging AI in combination with humans for productivity and for growth. From this research and our continuous connections with clients across every industry, the intersection of AI and workforce readiness is an urgent priority. Unlocking productivity gains and growth will depend on combining technology adoption with workforce transformation.
Speaker #3: The second theme is how AI will shape workforce composition. Our clients are asking tough questions. How could I get work done in the future?
Speaker #3: What are the new paths between humans and technology? They are increasingly seeking our advisory capabilities on new ways to get work done, beyond the traditional models.
Speaker #3: Advancing the paths of temp and perm alongside newer models of flexibility, like gig and freelance, they are seeking guidance on the newest path to work—leveraging AI in combination with humans for productivity and for growth.
Speaker #3: From this research and our continuous connections with clients across every industry, the intersection of AI and workforce readiness is an urgent priority. Unlocking productivity gains and growth will depend on combining technology adoption with workforce transformation.
Speaker #3: This was reinforced once again by our engagement with clients and prospects at the World Economic Forum in Davos last week. Where we showcased insight and research around what we are calling the human edge.
Becky Frankewitz: This was reinforced once again by our engagement with clients and prospects at the World Economic Forum in Davos last week, where we showcased insight and research around what we are calling the Human Edge, where empathy, imagination, and resilience are elevated by technology, and where human potential meets digital intelligence. Ultimately, these insights give us enhanced visibility on where client demand and growth will be, enabling us to make critical decisions now on where to play and how to win. Though we're in the early stages of this process, we are encouraged at the opportunity ahead to further differentiate our offerings. I look forward to continuing to update you on this critically important initiative.
This was reinforced once again by our engagement with clients and prospects at the World Economic Forum in Davos last week, where we showcased insight and research around what we are calling the Human Edge, where empathy, imagination, and resilience are elevated by technology, and where human potential meets digital intelligence. Ultimately, these insights give us enhanced visibility on where client demand and growth will be, enabling us to make critical decisions now on where to play and how to win. Though we're in the early stages of this process, we are encouraged at the opportunity ahead to further differentiate our offerings. I look forward to continuing to update you on this critically important initiative.
Speaker #3: Where empathy, imagination, and resilience are elevated by technology, and where human potential meets digital intelligence. Ultimately, these insights give us enhanced visibility on where client demand and growth will be.
Speaker #3: Enabling us to make critical decisions now on where to play and how to win. Though we're in the early stages of this process, we are encouraged at the opportunity ahead to further differentiate our offerings.
Speaker #3: I look forward to continuing to update you on this critically important
Speaker #3: initiative.
Speaker #1: Thank you,
Jonas Prising: Thank you, Becky. As you heard, the environment for AI and automation continues to unfold. Since 2019, we have been executing against the clear technology roadmap centered on PowerSuite, our end-to-end operating system and best-in-class technology stack. Today, PowerSuite operates across nearly 90% of our business, creating integrated global technology rails and a proprietary data asset spanning more than 70 countries. This foundation enables faster innovation and allows us to convert technology adoption into productivity gains more quickly than in the past. Last quarter, we shared how we are increasingly moving from AI use cases to scaled commercial impact. Our integrated AI recruiter toolkit is now scaled to more than 12 markets, streamlining content creation, talent search, communication, and workflow automation. This is improving recruiter precision and productivity while enhancing the candidate experience to faster, smarter matching and real-time insights, resulting in a 7% increase in placement rates.
Jonas Prising: Thank you, Becky. As you heard, the environment for AI and automation continues to unfold. Since 2019, we have been executing against the clear technology roadmap centered on PowerSuite, our end-to-end operating system and best-in-class technology stack. Today, PowerSuite operates across nearly 90% of our business, creating integrated global technology rails and a proprietary data asset spanning more than 70 countries. This foundation enables faster innovation and allows us to convert technology adoption into productivity gains more quickly than in the past. Last quarter, we shared how we are increasingly moving from AI use cases to scaled commercial impact. Our integrated AI recruiter toolkit is now scaled to more than 12 markets, streamlining content creation, talent search, communication, and workflow automation. This is improving recruiter precision and productivity while enhancing the candidate experience to faster, smarter matching and real-time insights, resulting in a 7% increase in placement rates.
Speaker #1: Becky. AI and automation continues to As you heard, the environment for unfold. Since 2019, we have been executing against the clear technology roadmap centered on PowerSuite, our end-to-end operating system and best-in-class technology stack.
Speaker #1: Today, PowerSuite operates across nearly 90% of our business, creating integrated global technology rails and a proprietary data asset spanning more than 70 countries. This foundation enables faster innovation and allows us to convert technology adoption into productivity gains more quickly than in the past.
Speaker #1: Last quarter, we shared how we are increasingly moving from AI use cases to scaled commercial impact. Our integrated AI recruiter toolkit is now scaled to more than 12 markets.
Speaker #1: Streamlining content creation, talent search, communication, and workflow automation. This is improving recruiter precision and productivity while enhancing the candidate experience through faster and smarter matching and real-time insights, resulting in a 7% increase in placement rates.
Speaker #1: This is not just about productivity. It is about commercial excellence, positioning us to increase revenue, win clients, and deliver a superior experience to our clients and candidates.
Jonas Prising: This is not just about productivity. It is about commercial excellence, positioning us to increase revenue with clients and deliver a superior experience to our clients and candidates. For instance, we are scaling the use of agentic AI coding assistants across Experis in the US to deliver faster, higher quality, and more cost-efficient solutions for clients. This helps our clients accelerate delivery, improve product quality, and reduce operating costs while enabling us to strengthen our value proposition and win higher margin work. More broadly, we're moving from experimentation to disciplined, governed deployment of AI, turning proprietary data, embedded technology, and human expertise into faster delivery, higher win rates, and durable differentiation. And as part of this commitment, we're upskilling our 25,000 employees and embedding AI more deeply across the organization to drive productivity, support higher margin growth, and ensure that these gains translate into a leaner, more efficient cost structure.
This is not just about productivity. It is about commercial excellence, positioning us to increase revenue with clients and deliver a superior experience to our clients and candidates. For instance, we are scaling the use of agentic AI coding assistants across Experis in the US to deliver faster, higher quality, and more cost-efficient solutions for clients. This helps our clients accelerate delivery, improve product quality, and reduce operating costs while enabling us to strengthen our value proposition and win higher margin work. More broadly, we're moving from experimentation to disciplined, governed deployment of AI, turning proprietary data, embedded technology, and human expertise into faster delivery, higher win rates, and durable differentiation. And as part of this commitment, we're upskilling our 25,000 employees and embedding AI more deeply across the organization to drive productivity, support higher margin growth, and ensure that these gains translate into a leaner, more efficient cost structure.
Speaker #1: For instance, we are scaling the use of agentic AI coding assistants across experts in the US to deliver faster, higher-quality, and more cost-efficient solutions for clients.
Speaker #1: This helps our clients accelerate delivery, improve product quality, and reduce operating costs. While enabling us to strengthen our value proposition and win higher-margin work.
Speaker #1: More broadly, we're moving from experimentation to disciplined, governed deployment of AI, turning proprietary data-embedded technology and human expertise into faster delivery, higher win rates, and durable differentiation.
Speaker #1: And as part of this commitment, we're upskilling our 25,000 employees and embedding AI more deeply across the organization to drive productivity, support higher-margin growth, and ensure that these gains translate into a leaner, more efficient cost structure.
Speaker #1: Pleased that we're able to deliver sequential improvement and revenue growth and profitability improvement through 2025, finishing Q4 with momentum that reflects our stronger execution in our core markets and profitability improvements from our cost actions.
Jonas Prising: Pleased that we're able to deliver sequential improvement in revenue growth and profitability improvement through 2025, finishing Q4 with momentum that reflects our stronger execution in our core markets and profitability improvements from our cost actions. Assuming current trends continue and as we anniversary the tariff-related headwinds, we believe 2026 has the potential to represent an important inflection point for the business with a path towards sustainable organic growth and margin expansion. At the same time, we remain agile and continue to monitor geopolitical developments. While uncertainty exists, our focus remains on supporting clients and executing in this evolving environment. And with that, I'll now turn it over to Jack to walk through the fourth quarter and full-year financial results in more detail.
Pleased that we're able to deliver sequential improvement in revenue growth and profitability improvement through 2025, finishing Q4 with momentum that reflects our stronger execution in our core markets and profitability improvements from our cost actions. Assuming current trends continue and as we anniversary the tariff-related headwinds, we believe 2026 has the potential to represent an important inflection point for the business with a path towards sustainable organic growth and margin expansion. At the same time, we remain agile and continue to monitor geopolitical developments. While uncertainty exists, our focus remains on supporting clients and executing in this evolving environment. And with that, I'll now turn it over to Jack to walk through the fourth quarter and full-year financial results in more detail.
Speaker #1: Assuming current trends continue, and as we anniversary the tariff-related headwinds, we believe 2026 has the potential to represent an important inflection point for the business, with a path towards sustainable organic growth and margin expansion.
Speaker #1: At the same time, we remain agile and continue to monitor geopolitical developments. While uncertainty exists, our focus remains on supporting clients and executing in this evolving environment.
Speaker #1: And with that, I'll now turn it over to Jack to walk through the fourth quarter and full-year financial results in more
Speaker #2: Thanks, Jonas. In the fourth quarter, we delivered reported revenues of $4.7 billion. System-wide revenue was $5.1 billion. Our fourth quarter revenue results represented organic constant currency growth of 2%.
Jack McGinnis: Thanks, Jonas. In Q4, we delivered reported revenues of $4.7 billion. System-wide revenue was $5.1 billion. Our Q4 revenue results represented organic constant currency growth of 2%. US dollar reported revenues in Q4 were impacted by foreign currency translation and, after adjusting for currency impacts, came in above the midpoint of our constant currency guidance range. Our revenue trends demonstrate the continuation of largely stable activity levels across North America and Europe overall, with improving trends in France and ongoing strength in Italy. Gross profit margin came in just below our guidance range, driven by lower permanent recruitment in Europe, while staffing margin came in as expected and consistent with the previous quarter year-over-year trend. As adjusted, EBITDA was $100 million, representing a 2% decrease in constant currency compared to the prior year period.
Jack McGinnis: Thanks, Jonas. In Q4, we delivered reported revenues of $4.7 billion. System-wide revenue was $5.1 billion. Our Q4 revenue results represented organic constant currency growth of 2%. US dollar reported revenues in Q4 were impacted by foreign currency translation and, after adjusting for currency impacts, came in above the midpoint of our constant currency guidance range. Our revenue trends demonstrate the continuation of largely stable activity levels across North America and Europe overall, with improving trends in France and ongoing strength in Italy. Gross profit margin came in just below our guidance range, driven by lower permanent recruitment in Europe, while staffing margin came in as expected and consistent with the previous quarter year-over-year trend. As adjusted, EBITDA was $100 million, representing a 2% decrease in constant currency compared to the prior year period.
Speaker #2: US dollar-reported revenues in the fourth quarter were impacted by foreign currency translation, and after adjusting for currency impacts, came in above the midpoint of our constant currency guidance range.
Speaker #2: Our revenue trends demonstrate the continuation of largely stable activity levels across North America and Europe overall, with improving trends in France, and ongoing strength in Italy.
Speaker #2: Gross profit margin came in just below our guidance range, driven by lower permanent recruitment in Europe, while staffing margin came in as expected and consistent with the previous quarter year-over-year trend.
Speaker #2: As adjusted, EBITDA was $100 million. Representing a 2% decrease in constant currency compared to the prior year period. As adjusted, EBITDA margin was $2.1%.
Jack McGinnis: As adjusted, EBITDA margin was 2.1%, equal to the prior year, and came in at the midpoint of our guidance range. Foreign currency translation drove a favorable impact to the 7% US dollar reported revenue increase from the constant currency increase of 1%. Organic days adjusted, constant currency revenue increased 2% in the quarter, which was favorable to our midpoint guidance of flat. Turning to the full-year results for a few moments, reported earnings per share for the year was -$0.29. As adjusted, earnings per share was $2.97 and represented a constant currency decrease of 38%. Reported revenues for the year decreased 2% in constant currency to $18 billion, and system-wide revenues were $19.5 billion. Reported EBITDA was $270 million. As adjusted, EBITDA was $337 million, which represented a 20% constant currency decrease year-over-year.
As adjusted, EBITDA margin was 2.1%, equal to the prior year, and came in at the midpoint of our guidance range. Foreign currency translation drove a favorable impact to the 7% US dollar reported revenue increase from the constant currency increase of 1%. Organic days adjusted, constant currency revenue increased 2% in the quarter, which was favorable to our midpoint guidance of flat. Turning to the full-year results for a few moments, reported earnings per share for the year was -$0.29. As adjusted, earnings per share was $2.97 and represented a constant currency decrease of 38%. Reported revenues for the year decreased 2% in constant currency to $18 billion, and system-wide revenues were $19.5 billion. Reported EBITDA was $270 million. As adjusted, EBITDA was $337 million, which represented a 20% constant currency decrease year-over-year.
Speaker #2: Equal to the prior year, and came in at the midpoint of our guidance range. Foreign currency translation drove a favorable impact to the 7% US dollar reported revenue increase, from the constant currency increase of 1%.
Speaker #2: Organic days-adjusted, constant currency revenue increased 2% in the quarter, which was favorable to our midpoint guidance of flat. Turning to the full-year results for a few moments, reported earnings per share for the year was a negative $0.29.
Speaker #2: As adjusted, earnings per share was $2.97, and represented a constant currency decrease of 38%. Reported revenues for the year decreased 2% in constant currency to $18 billion, and system-wide revenues were $19.5 billion.
Speaker #2: Reported EBITDA was $270 million. As adjusted, EBITDA was $337 million, which represented a 20% constant currency decrease year-over-year. Transitioning to the EPS bridge, reported earnings per share for the quarter was $64.
Jack McGinnis: Transitioning to the EPS bridge, reported earnings per share for the quarter was $0.64. Adjusted EPS was $0.92 and came in $0.09 above our guidance midpoint. Walking from our guidance midpoint of $0.83, our results included improved operational performance, representing a positive impact of $0.06, and improved interest and other expenses, which was $0.03 favorable. Restructuring costs and other represented $0.28. Next, let's review our revenue by business line. Year-over-year, on an organic constant currency basis, the Manpower brand had growth of 5% in the quarter, a sequential improvement from the 3% growth in Q3. The Experis brand declined by 6%, an improvement from the 7% decline in Q3, and the Talent Solutions brand declined by 4%, an improvement from the Q3 decline of 8%.
Transitioning to the EPS bridge, reported earnings per share for the quarter was $0.64. Adjusted EPS was $0.92 and came in $0.09 above our guidance midpoint. Walking from our guidance midpoint of $0.83, our results included improved operational performance, representing a positive impact of $0.06, and improved interest and other expenses, which was $0.03 favorable. Restructuring costs and other represented $0.28. Next, let's review our revenue by business line. Year-over-year, on an organic constant currency basis, the Manpower brand had growth of 5% in the quarter, a sequential improvement from the 3% growth in Q3. The Experis brand declined by 6%, an improvement from the 7% decline in Q3, and the Talent Solutions brand declined by 4%, an improvement from the Q3 decline of 8%.
Speaker #2: Adjusted EPS was above our guidance midpoint. Walking from our guidance midpoint of $0.83, our results included improved operational performance, representing a positive impact of $0.06, and improved interest in other expenses, which was $0.03 favorable.
Speaker #2: Restructuring costs and other represented $0.28. Next, let's review our revenue by business line. Year-over-year, on an organic constant currency basis, the manpower brand had growth of 5% in the quarter.
Speaker #2: A sequential improvement from the 3% growth in the third quarter, the experience brand declined by 6%, and improvement from the 7% decline in the third quarter, and the talent solutions brand declined by 4%, and improvement from the third quarter decline of 8%.
Speaker #2: Within talent solutions, our RPO business experienced lower demand, notably in select ongoing client programs in the US year-over-year. Our MSP business saw continued revenue growth, and Wright Management saw slight growth year-over-year.
Jack McGinnis: Within Talent Solutions, our RPO business experienced lower demand, notably in select ongoing client programs in the US year-over-year. Our MSP business saw continued revenue growth, and Right Management saw slight growth year-over-year. Looking at our gross profit margin in detail, our gross margin came in at 16.3% for the quarter. Staffing margin contributed a 40 basis point reduction due to mixed shifts towards enterprise accounts, which was stable from the Q3 trend. Permanent recruitment activity was softer than expected in Europe, and the lower contribution resulted in a 30 basis point decline. Other services resulted in a 20 basis point margin decrease. Moving on to our gross profit by business line, during the quarter, the Manpower brand comprised 62% of gross profit. Our Experis professional business comprised 22%, and Talent Solutions comprised 16%.
Within Talent Solutions, our RPO business experienced lower demand, notably in select ongoing client programs in the US year-over-year. Our MSP business saw continued revenue growth, and Right Management saw slight growth year-over-year. Looking at our gross profit margin in detail, our gross margin came in at 16.3% for the quarter. Staffing margin contributed a 40 basis point reduction due to mixed shifts towards enterprise accounts, which was stable from the Q3 trend. Permanent recruitment activity was softer than expected in Europe, and the lower contribution resulted in a 30 basis point decline. Other services resulted in a 20 basis point margin decrease. Moving on to our gross profit by business line, during the quarter, the Manpower brand comprised 62% of gross profit. Our Experis professional business comprised 22%, and Talent Solutions comprised 16%.
Speaker #2: Looking at our gross profit margin in detail, our gross margin came in at 16.3% for the quarter. Staffing margin contributed a 40 basis point reduction due to mix shifts towards enterprise accounts, which was stable from the third quarter trend.
Speaker #2: Permanent recruitment activity was softer than expected in Europe, and the lower contribution resulted in a 30 basis point decline. Other services resulted in a 20 basis point margin decrease.
Speaker #2: Moving on to our gross profit by business line, during the quarter, the manpower brand comprised 62% of gross profit, our experienced professional business comprised 22%, and talent solutions comprised 16%.
Speaker #2: During the quarter, our consolidated gross profit decreased by 3% on an organic constant currency basis year-over-year, representing an improvement from the 4% decline in the third quarter.
Jack McGinnis: During the quarter, our consolidated gross profit decreased by 3% on an organic constant currency basis year-over-year, representing an improvement from the 4% decline in Q3. Our Manpower brand increased 1% in organic constant currency gross profit year-over-year, an improvement from the flat Q3 year-over-year trend. Gross profit in our Experis brand decreased 5% in organic constant currency year-over-year, an improvement from the 10% decrease in Q3. Gross profit in Talent Solutions declined 12% in organic constant currency year-over-year, which was an improvement from the 13% decrease in Q3. Right Management gross profit improved from Q3 on increased outplacement activity. MSP experienced similar activity levels from Q3, and RPO experienced slightly lower activity from Q3. Reported SG&A expense in the quarter was $686 million.
During the quarter, our consolidated gross profit decreased by 3% on an organic constant currency basis year-over-year, representing an improvement from the 4% decline in Q3. Our Manpower brand increased 1% in organic constant currency gross profit year-over-year, an improvement from the flat Q3 year-over-year trend. Gross profit in our Experis brand decreased 5% in organic constant currency year-over-year, an improvement from the 10% decrease in Q3. Gross profit in Talent Solutions declined 12% in organic constant currency year-over-year, which was an improvement from the 13% decrease in Q3. Right Management gross profit improved from Q3 on increased outplacement activity. MSP experienced similar activity levels from Q3, and RPO experienced slightly lower activity from Q3. Reported SG&A expense in the quarter was $686 million.
Speaker #2: Our manpower brand increased 1% in organic constant currency gross profit year-over-year, an improvement from the flat third quarter year-over-year trend. Gross profit and our experienced brand decreased 5% in organic constant currency year-over-year, an improvement from the 10% decrease in the third quarter.
Speaker #2: Gross profit and talent solutions declined 12% in organic constant currency year-over-year, which was an improvement from the 13% decrease in the third quarter. Wright Management gross profit improved from the third quarter on increased outplacement activity.
Speaker #2: MSP experienced similar activity levels from the third quarter, and RPO experienced slightly lower activity from the third quarter. Reported SG&A expense in the quarter was $686 million.
Speaker #2: SG&A, as adjusted, was down 4% on a constant currency basis, and 3% on an organic constant currency basis. The year-over-year organic constant currency SG&A decreases largely consisted of reductions in operational costs of $22 million.
Jack McGinnis: SG&A, as adjusted, was down 4% on a constant currency basis and 3% on an organic constant currency basis. The year-over-year organic constant currency SG&A decreases largely consisted of reductions in operational costs of $22 million. Corporate costs have increased sequentially from the third quarter and include incremental investments in our transformation initiatives. These initiatives include our back office transformation programs, and they are progressing well, and now also include our front office transformation program, which is being planned for our North America business. These programs are enabling industry-leading end-to-end processes and further efficiencies associated with our leading PowerSuite front and back office technology platform. Going forward, I will carve out any incremental expenses associated with the new front office transformation program, which we will fund to the greatest degree possible through ongoing strong cost management as we remain focused on expanding EBITDA margin year-over-year in 2026.
SG&A, as adjusted, was down 4% on a constant currency basis and 3% on an organic constant currency basis. The year-over-year organic constant currency SG&A decreases largely consisted of reductions in operational costs of $22 million. Corporate costs have increased sequentially from the third quarter and include incremental investments in our transformation initiatives. These initiatives include our back office transformation programs, and they are progressing well, and now also include our front office transformation program, which is being planned for our North America business. These programs are enabling industry-leading end-to-end processes and further efficiencies associated with our leading PowerSuite front and back office technology platform. Going forward, I will carve out any incremental expenses associated with the new front office transformation program, which we will fund to the greatest degree possible through ongoing strong cost management as we remain focused on expanding EBITDA margin year-over-year in 2026.
Speaker #2: Corporate costs have increased sequentially from the third quarter, and include incremental investments in our transformation initiatives. These initiatives include our back office transformation programs and our progressing well, and now also include our front office transformation program, which is being planned for our North America business.
Speaker #2: These programs are enabling industry-leading end-to-end processes and further efficiencies associated with our leading power suite front and back office technology platform. Going forward, I will carve out any incremental expenses associated with the new front office transformation program, which we will fund to the greatest degree possible through ongoing strong cost management, as we remain focused on expanding EBITDA margin year-over-year in 2026.
Speaker #2: Dispositions represented a decrease of $3 million, while currency changes contributed to a $29 million increase. Adjusted SG&A expenses as a percentage of revenue represented 14.4% in constant currency in the fourth quarter.
Jack McGinnis: Dispositions represented a decrease of $3 million, while currency changes contributed to a $29 million increase. Adjusted SG&A expenses as a percentage of revenue represented 14.4% in constant currency in Q4. Adjustments represented restructuring of $13 million. Balancing gross profit trends with strong cost actions while funding ongoing transformation to enhance EBITDA margin in both the short and long term remains one of our highest priorities. The America segment comprised 24% of consolidated revenue. Revenue in the quarter was $1.1 billion, representing an increase of 5% year-over-year on a constant currency basis. As adjusted, OUP was $39 million, and OUP margin was 3.4%. Restructuring charges of $1 million largely represented actions in Peru. The US is the largest country in the America segment, comprising 60% of segment revenues.
Dispositions represented a decrease of $3 million, while currency changes contributed to a $29 million increase. Adjusted SG&A expenses as a percentage of revenue represented 14.4% in constant currency in Q4. Adjustments represented restructuring of $13 million. Balancing gross profit trends with strong cost actions while funding ongoing transformation to enhance EBITDA margin in both the short and long term remains one of our highest priorities. The America segment comprised 24% of consolidated revenue. Revenue in the quarter was $1.1 billion, representing an increase of 5% year-over-year on a constant currency basis. As adjusted, OUP was $39 million, and OUP margin was 3.4%. Restructuring charges of $1 million largely represented actions in Peru. The US is the largest country in the America segment, comprising 60% of segment revenues.
Speaker #2: Adjustments represented restructuring of $13 million. Balancing gross profit trends with strong cost actions, while funding ongoing transformation to enhance EBITDA margin in both the short and long term, remains one of our highest priorities.
Speaker #2: The America segment comprised 24% of consolidated revenue. Revenue in the quarter was $1.1 billion, representing an increase of 5% year-over-year on a constant currency basis.
Speaker #2: As adjusted, OUP was $39 million, and OUP margin was 3.4%. Restructuring charges of $1 million largely represented actions in Peru. The US is the largest country in the America segment, comprising 60% of segment revenues.
Speaker #2: Revenue in the US was $682 million during the quarter, representing a 1% day's adjusted decrease compared to the prior year, which was stronger than anticipated, driven by experience and talent solutions MSP business.
Jack McGinnis: Revenue in the US was $682 million during the quarter, representing a 1% days adjusted decrease compared to the prior year, which was stronger than anticipated, driven by Experis and Talent Solutions MSP business. This represents a flat revenue trend sequentially from Q3. OUP as adjusted for our US business was $15 million in the quarter. OUP margin as adjusted was 2.2%. Within the US, the Manpower brand comprised 27% of gross profit during the quarter. Revenue for the Manpower brand in the US increased 7% on a days adjusted basis during the quarter, which represented strong market performance with six consecutive quarters of growth and a relatively stable trend from the 8% increase in Q3. The Experis brand in the US comprised 39% of gross profit in the quarter. Within Experis in the US, IT skills comprised approximately 90% of revenues.
Revenue in the US was $682 million during the quarter, representing a 1% days adjusted decrease compared to the prior year, which was stronger than anticipated, driven by Experis and Talent Solutions MSP business. This represents a flat revenue trend sequentially from Q3. OUP as adjusted for our US business was $15 million in the quarter. OUP margin as adjusted was 2.2%. Within the US, the Manpower brand comprised 27% of gross profit during the quarter. Revenue for the Manpower brand in the US increased 7% on a days adjusted basis during the quarter, which represented strong market performance with six consecutive quarters of growth and a relatively stable trend from the 8% increase in Q3. The Experis brand in the US comprised 39% of gross profit in the quarter. Within Experis in the US, IT skills comprised approximately 90% of revenues.
Speaker #2: This represents a flat revenue trend sequentially from the third quarter. OUP as adjusted for our US business was $15 million in the quarter. OUP margin as adjusted was $2.2%.
Speaker #2: Within the US, the manpower brand comprised 27% of gross profit during the quarter. Revenue for the manpower brand in the US increased 7% on a day's adjusted basis during the quarter, which represented strong market performance with six consecutive quarters of growth and a relatively stable trend from the 8% increase in the third quarter.
Speaker #2: US comprised 39% of The experienced brand in the gross profit in the quarter. Within experience in the US, IT skills comprised approximately 90% of revenues.
Speaker #2: Experience US revenue decreased 10% on a days-adjusted basis during the quarter, broadly stable from the 9% decline in the third quarter. Talent Solutions in the US contributed 34% of gross profit and saw a 2% increase in revenue year-over-year in the quarter, an increase from the flat result in the third quarter, driven by a well-executed MSP business, which again posted strong double-digit revenue increases year-over-year, and slight growth in Right Management outplacement activity.
Jack McGinnis: Experis US revenue decreased 10% on a days-adjusted basis during the quarter, broadly stable from the 9% decline in Q3. Talent Solutions in the US contributed 34% of gross profit and saw a 2% increase in revenue year-over-year in the quarter, an increase from the flat result in Q3, driven by a well-executed MSP business, which again posted strong double-digit revenue increases year-over-year and slight growth in Right Management outplacement activity. This was partially offset by lower RPO activity and the anniversary of select client programs in the second half of 2024. In Q1 2026, we anniversary very strong healthcare IT project volumes in Experis and expect the overall US business to have an increased rate of revenue decline compared to Q4.
Experis US revenue decreased 10% on a days-adjusted basis during the quarter, broadly stable from the 9% decline in Q3. Talent Solutions in the US contributed 34% of gross profit and saw a 2% increase in revenue year-over-year in the quarter, an increase from the flat result in Q3, driven by a well-executed MSP business, which again posted strong double-digit revenue increases year-over-year and slight growth in Right Management outplacement activity. This was partially offset by lower RPO activity and the anniversary of select client programs in the second half of 2024. In Q1 2026, we anniversary very strong healthcare IT project volumes in Experis and expect the overall US business to have an increased rate of revenue decline compared to Q4.
Speaker #2: This was partially offset by lower RPO activity and the anniversary of select client 2024. In the first quarter of programs in the second half of 2026, we anniversary very strong healthcare IT project volumes in Experience, and expect the overall US business to have an increased rate of revenue decline compared to the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: If we exclude healthcare IT project volumes from both periods, the US year-over-year revenue trend in Q1 will be largely in line with the Q4 trend.
Jack McGinnis: If we exclude healthcare IT project volumes from both periods, the US year-over-year revenue trend in Q1 will be largely in line with the Q4 trend. Our Experis healthcare IT project volume timing can be uneven, and although we do not anticipate comparable volumes in Q1 of 2026, we have a very strong pipeline that is expected to benefit the second and third quarters of 2026. Southern Europe revenue comprised 48% of consolidated revenue in the quarter. Revenue in Southern Europe was $2.2 billion, and following 13 consecutive quarters of revenue declines, flipped to 1% growth in constant currency during the fourth quarter. As adjusted, OUP for our Southern Europe business was $77 million in the quarter, and OUP margin was 3.4%. Restructuring charges of $6 million represented actions in Spain and France.
If we exclude healthcare IT project volumes from both periods, the US year-over-year revenue trend in Q1 will be largely in line with the Q4 trend. Our Experis healthcare IT project volume timing can be uneven, and although we do not anticipate comparable volumes in Q1 of 2026, we have a very strong pipeline that is expected to benefit the second and third quarters of 2026. Southern Europe revenue comprised 48% of consolidated revenue in the quarter. Revenue in Southern Europe was $2.2 billion, and following 13 consecutive quarters of revenue declines, flipped to 1% growth in constant currency during the fourth quarter. As adjusted, OUP for our Southern Europe business was $77 million in the quarter, and OUP margin was 3.4%. Restructuring charges of $6 million represented actions in Spain and France.
Speaker #2: Our experienced healthcare IT project volume timing can be uneven, and although we do not anticipate comparable volumes in Q1 of 2026, we have a very strong pipeline that is expected to benefit the second and third quarters of 2026.
Speaker #2: Southern Europe revenue comprised 48% of consolidated revenue in the quarter. Revenue in Southern Europe was $2.2 billion, and following 13 consecutive quarters of revenue declines, flipped to 1% growth in constant currency during the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: As adjusted, OUP for our Southern Europe business was $77 million. In the quarter, and OUP margin was 3.4%. Restructuring charges of $6 million represented actions in Spain and France.
Speaker #2: France revenue equaled $1.2 billion and comprised 52% of the Southern Europe segment in the quarter, and decreased 3% on a days-adjusted constant currency basis.
Jack McGinnis: France revenue equaled EUR 1.2 billion and comprised 52% of the Southern Europe segment in the quarter and decreased 3% on a days adjusted constant currency basis. As adjusted, OUP for our France business was EUR 28 million in the quarter. Adjusted OUP margin was 2.4%. France revenue trends improved during the fourth quarter. This represents four consecutive months of revenue trend improvement, and we expect a similar sequential rate of revenue trend improvement into the first quarter. Revenue in Italy equaled EUR 486 million in the fourth quarter, reflecting an increase of 7% on a days adjusted constant currency basis. OUP as adjusted equaled EUR 33 million, and OUP margin was 6.7%. Our Italy business is performing very well, and we estimate a similar constant currency revenue growth trend in the first quarter as compared to the fourth quarter. Our Northern Europe segment comprised 17% of consolidated revenue in the quarter.
France revenue equaled EUR 1.2 billion and comprised 52% of the Southern Europe segment in the quarter and decreased 3% on a days adjusted constant currency basis. As adjusted, OUP for our France business was EUR 28 million in the quarter. Adjusted OUP margin was 2.4%. France revenue trends improved during the fourth quarter. This represents four consecutive months of revenue trend improvement, and we expect a similar sequential rate of revenue trend improvement into the first quarter.
Speaker #2: As adjusted, OUP for our France business was $28 million in the quarter. Adjusted OUP margin was 2.4%. France revenue trends improved during the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: This represents four consecutive months of revenue trend improvement, and we expect a similar sequential rate of revenue trend improvement into the first quarter. Revenue in Italy equaled $486 million in the fourth quarter, reflecting an increase of 7% on a day's adjusted constant currency basis.
Revenue in Italy equaled EUR 486 million in the fourth quarter, reflecting an increase of 7% on a days adjusted constant currency basis. OUP as adjusted equaled EUR 33 million, and OUP margin was 6.7%. Our Italy business is performing very well, and we estimate a similar constant currency revenue growth trend in the first quarter as compared to the fourth quarter. Our Northern Europe segment comprised 17% of consolidated revenue in the quarter.
Speaker #2: OUP as adjusted equaled $33 million and OUP margin was 6.7%. Our Italy business is performing very well, and we estimate a similar constant currency revenue growth trend in the first quarter, as compared to the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: Our Northern Europe segment comprised 17% of consolidated revenue in the quarter. Revenue of $819 million represented a 1% decline in constant currency. As adjusted, OUP was $5 million in the quarter.
Jack McGinnis: Revenue of $819 million represented a 1% decline in constant currency. As adjusted, OUP was $5 million in the quarter. This represents sequential OUP improvement during the last three quarters, reflecting cost actions taken to date. The restructuring charges of $6 million primarily represented actions in the Netherlands and Germany. Our largest market in the Northern Europe segment is the UK, which represented 32% of segment revenues in the quarter. During the quarter, UK revenues decreased 3% on a days adjusted constant currency basis, representing significant sequential improvement. We expect the rate of revenue decline in the UK to improve into the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter. The Nordics revenues flipped to growth during the fourth quarter, representing an increase of 2% in days adjusted constant currency. In Germany, revenues decreased 22% on a days adjusted constant currency basis in the quarter.
Revenue of $819 million represented a 1% decline in constant currency. As adjusted, OUP was $5 million in the quarter. This represents sequential OUP improvement during the last three quarters, reflecting cost actions taken to date. The restructuring charges of $6 million primarily represented actions in the Netherlands and Germany. Our largest market in the Northern Europe segment is the UK, which represented 32% of segment revenues in the quarter. During the quarter, UK revenues decreased 3% on a days adjusted constant currency basis, representing significant sequential improvement. We expect the rate of revenue decline in the UK to improve into the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter. The Nordics revenues flipped to growth during the fourth quarter, representing an increase of 2% in days adjusted constant currency. In Germany, revenues decreased 22% on a days adjusted constant currency basis in the quarter.
Speaker #2: This represents sequential OUP improvement during the last three quarters, reflecting cost actions taken to date. The restructuring charges of $6 million primarily represented actions in the Netherlands and Germany.
Speaker #2: Our largest market in the Northern Europe segment is the UK, which represented 32% of segment revenues in the quarter. During the quarter, UK revenues decreased 3% on a day's adjusted constant currency basis, representing significant sequential improvement.
Speaker #2: We expect the rate of revenue decline in the UK to improve into the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter. The Nordics revenues flipped to growth during the fourth quarter, representing an increase of 2% in day's adjusted constant currency.
Speaker #2: In Germany, revenues decreased 22% on a days-adjusted, constant currency basis in the quarter. Germany remains a very difficult market, but we are expecting an improvement in the rate of year-over-year revenue decline in the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter trend.
Jack McGinnis: Germany remains a very difficult market, but we are expecting an improvement in the rate of year-over-year revenue decline in the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter trend. The Asia-Pacific-Middle East segment comprises 11% of total company revenue. In the quarter, revenues equaled $520 million, representing an increase of 6% in organic constant currency. OUP was $28 million, and OUP margin was 5.3%. Our largest market in the APME segment is Japan, which represented 58% of segment revenues in the quarter. Revenue in Japan grew 7% on a days adjusted constant currency basis. We remain very pleased with the consistent performance of our Japan business, and we expect continued strong revenue growth in the first quarter. I'll now turn to cash flow and balance sheet. In full year 2025, free cash flow equaled an outflow of $161 million compared to an inflow of $258 million in the prior year.
Germany remains a very difficult market, but we are expecting an improvement in the rate of year-over-year revenue decline in the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter trend. The Asia-Pacific-Middle East segment comprises 11% of total company revenue. In the quarter, revenues equaled $520 million, representing an increase of 6% in organic constant currency. OUP was $28 million, and OUP margin was 5.3%. Our largest market in the APME segment is Japan, which represented 58% of segment revenues in the quarter. Revenue in Japan grew 7% on a days adjusted constant currency basis. We remain very pleased with the consistent performance of our Japan business, and we expect continued strong revenue growth in the first quarter. I'll now turn to cash flow and balance sheet. In full year 2025, free cash flow equaled an outflow of $161 million compared to an inflow of $258 million in the prior year.
Speaker #2: The Asia Pacific Middle East segment comprises 11% of total company revenue. In the quarter, revenues equaled $520 million, representing an increase of 6% in organic constant currency.
Speaker #2: OUP was $28 million and OUP margin was 5.3%. Our largest market in the APME segment is Japan, which represented 58% of segment revenues in the quarter.
Speaker #2: Revenue in Japan grew 7% on a day's adjusted constant currency basis. We remain very pleased with the consistent performance of our Japan business, and we expect continued strong revenue growth in the first quarter.
Speaker #2: I'll now turn the cash flow and balance sheet. In full year 2025, free cash flow equaled an outflow of $161 million compared to an inflow of $258 million in the prior year.
Speaker #2: As we discussed in prior quarters, 2025 cash flows were impacted by timing of items that benefited 2024, which have not been repeated in 2025.
Jack McGinnis: As we discussed in prior quarters, 2025 cash flows were impacted by timing of items that benefited 2024, which have not been repeated in 2025. In the fourth quarter, we drove a strong finish to the year with a free cash flow result of $168 million, which was not significantly impacted by timing items. At year-end, Days Sales Outstanding increased to 55 days, up from 52 days in the prior year as enterprise client mixes increased. During the fourth quarter, capital expenditures represented $11 million, and we did not repurchase any shares. Our balance sheet reflects continued actions to strengthen our liquidity and overall balance sheet composition. Our year-end reporting amounts reflect the successful refinance of our EUR 500 million euro note in December 2025, resulting in the payoff of the previous EUR 500 million euro note shortly after year-end in January of 2026.
As we discussed in prior quarters, 2025 cash flows were impacted by timing of items that benefited 2024, which have not been repeated in 2025. In the fourth quarter, we drove a strong finish to the year with a free cash flow result of $168 million, which was not significantly impacted by timing items. At year-end, Days Sales Outstanding increased to 55 days, up from 52 days in the prior year as enterprise client mixes increased. During the fourth quarter, capital expenditures represented $11 million, and we did not repurchase any shares. Our balance sheet reflects continued actions to strengthen our liquidity and overall balance sheet composition. Our year-end reporting amounts reflect the successful refinance of our EUR 500 million euro note in December 2025, resulting in the payoff of the previous EUR 500 million euro note shortly after year-end in January of 2026.
Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter, we drove a strong finish to the year with a free cash flow result of $168 million, which was not significantly impacted by timing items.
Speaker #2: At year-end, day sales outstanding increased to $55 days up from $52 days in the prior year, as enterprise client mix has increased. During the fourth quarter, capital expenditures represented $11 million, and we did not repurchase any shares.
Speaker #2: Our balance sheet reflects continued actions to strengthen our liquidity and overall balance sheet composition. Our year-end reporting amounts reflect a successful refinance of our €500 million euro note in December 2025, resulting in the payoff of the previous €500 million euro note shortly after year-end in January 2026.
Speaker #2: Adjusting to exclude the temporary increase from the new euro note and offsetting cash, we ended the quarter with cash of $284 million, and total debt of $1.1 billion.
Jack McGinnis: Adjusting to exclude the temporary increase from the new euro note and offsetting cash, we ended the quarter with cash of $284 million and total debt of $1.1 billion. Net debt equaled $806 million at 31 December. Our adjusted debt ratios at year-end reflect total gross debt to trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA of 2.7x and a total debt to total capitalization at 35%. Detail of our debt and credit facility arrangements are included in the appendix of the presentation. Next, I'll review our outlook for Q1 2026. Our forecast anticipates a continuation of existing trends. When considering our guidance for the first quarter, it is also important to note there is always a meaningful sequential seasonal decrease in earnings from Q4 to the first quarter.
Adjusting to exclude the temporary increase from the new euro note and offsetting cash, we ended the quarter with cash of $284 million and total debt of $1.1 billion. Net debt equaled $806 million at 31 December. Our adjusted debt ratios at year-end reflect total gross debt to trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA of 2.7x and a total debt to total capitalization at 35%. Detail of our debt and credit facility arrangements are included in the appendix of the presentation. Next, I'll review our outlook for Q1 2026. Our forecast anticipates a continuation of existing trends. When considering our guidance for the first quarter, it is also important to note there is always a meaningful sequential seasonal decrease in earnings from Q4 to the first quarter.
Speaker #2: Net debt equaled $806 million, at December 31st. Our adjusted debt ratios at year-end reflect total gross debt to trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA, of 2.7, and a total debt to total capitalization, at $35%.
Speaker #2: Details of our debt and credit facility arrangements are included in the appendix of the presentation. Next, I'll review our outlook for the first quarter of 2026.
Speaker #2: Our forecast anticipates a continuation of existing trends. When considering our guidance for the first quarter, it is also important to note there is always a meaningful sequential seasonal decrease in earnings from the fourth quarter to the first quarter.
Jack McGinnis: With that said, we are forecasting earnings per share for Q1 to be in the range of $0.45 to $0.55. The guidance range also includes a favorable foreign currency impact of $0.06 per share, and our foreign currency translation rate estimates are disclosed at the bottom of the guidance slide. Our constant currency revenue guidance range is between a 1% decrease and a 3% increase, and at the midpoint is a 1% increase. Considering business day variances are very slight and the impact of dispositions is very small, our organic days adjusted constant currency revenue increase also represents 1% growth at the midpoint. EBITDA margin for Q1 is projected to be up 10 basis points at the midpoint compared to the prior year.
With that said, we are forecasting earnings per share for Q1 to be in the range of $0.45 to $0.55. The guidance range also includes a favorable foreign currency impact of $0.06 per share, and our foreign currency translation rate estimates are disclosed at the bottom of the guidance slide. Our constant currency revenue guidance range is between a 1% decrease and a 3% increase, and at the midpoint is a 1% increase. Considering business day variances are very slight and the impact of dispositions is very small, our organic days adjusted constant currency revenue increase also represents 1% growth at the midpoint. EBITDA margin for Q1 is projected to be up 10 basis points at the midpoint compared to the prior year.
Speaker #2: are forecasting earnings per share for the With that said, we first quarter to be in the range of $0.45 to $0.55. The guidance range also includes a favorable foreign currency impact of $0.06 per share and our foreign currency translation rate estimates are disclosed at the bottom of the guidance slide.
Speaker #2: Our constant currency revenue guidance range is between a 1% decrease and a 3% increase, and at the midpoint is a 1% increase. Considering business day variances are very slight and the impact of dispositions is very small, our organic day's adjusted constant currency revenue increase also represents 1% growth at the midpoint.
Speaker #2: EBITDA margin for the first quarter is projected to be up 10 basis points at the midpoint compared to the prior year. Although the government of France has not yet enacted the 2026 budget, their current proposal includes the corporate tax surcharge being extended into 2026.
Jack McGinnis: Although the government of France has not yet enacted the 2026 budget, their current proposal includes the corporate tax surcharge being extended into 2026. As a result, our 2026 tax guidance incorporates a similar level of surcharge, and we estimate a full year global tax rate of 45%. In addition, the US workers' opportunity tax credit, WOTC, in the US has not been renewed for 2026 at this time, and this benefit has not been included in our 2026 estimate. If WOTC is enacted in the US and retroactively applied to the beginning of the year, we estimate it would reduce our full year rate to within a range of 43.5% to 44%. We estimate that the effective tax rate for Q1 will be 43%.
Although the government of France has not yet enacted the 2026 budget, their current proposal includes the corporate tax surcharge being extended into 2026. As a result, our 2026 tax guidance incorporates a similar level of surcharge, and we estimate a full year global tax rate of 45%. In addition, the US workers' opportunity tax credit, WOTC, in the US has not been renewed for 2026 at this time, and this benefit has not been included in our 2026 estimate. If WOTC is enacted in the US and retroactively applied to the beginning of the year, we estimate it would reduce our full year rate to within a range of 43.5% to 44%. We estimate that the effective tax rate for Q1 will be 43%.
Speaker #2: As a result, our 2026 tax guidance incorporates a similar level of surcharge and we estimate a full year global tax rate of 45%. In addition, the US workers' opportunity tax credit (WATSE) in the US has not been renewed for 2026 at this time, and this benefit has not been included in our 2026 estimate.
Speaker #2: If WATSE is enacted in the US and retroactively applied to the beginning of the year, we estimate it would reduce our full year rate to within a range of 43.5 to 44%.
Speaker #2: We estimate that the effective tax rate for the first quarter will be 43%. As I mentioned earlier, I will carve out any restructuring and related front office incremental transformation expenses incurred in Q1 as they are not included in the underlying guidance.
Jack McGinnis: As I mentioned earlier, I will carve out any restructuring and related front office incremental transformation expenses incurred in Q1 as they are not included in the underlying guidance. In addition, we estimate our weighted average shares to be 47.3 million. I will now turn it back to Jonas. Thank you, Jack. In closing, we're confident that we have the right strategy, capabilities, and team in place to execute in this environment, with improving consistency across our major markets and early signs of inflection becoming increasingly evident. Our cost discipline, diversified portfolio, and scaled digital and AI platform gives us a clear leverage as demand stabilizes, with improving productivity and margin potential over time. Thank you to our talented team for your relentless commitment and to our candidates and clients for your continued trust in ManpowerGroup. That concludes our prepared remarks.
As I mentioned earlier, I will carve out any restructuring and related front office incremental transformation expenses incurred in Q1 as they are not included in the underlying guidance. In addition, we estimate our weighted average shares to be 47.3 million. I will now turn it back to Jonas.
Speaker #2: In addition, we estimate our weighted average shares to be 47.3 million. I will now turn it back to Jonas. Thank you, Jack. In closing, we are confident that we have the right strategy capabilities and team in place to execute in this environment, with improving consistency across our major markets and early signs of inflection becoming increasingly evident.
Jonas Prising: Thank you, Jack. In closing, we're confident that we have the right strategy, capabilities, and team in place to execute in this environment, with improving consistency across our major markets and early signs of inflection becoming increasingly evident. Our cost discipline, diversified portfolio, and scaled digital and AI platform gives us a clear leverage as demand stabilizes, with improving productivity and margin potential over time. Thank you to our talented team for your relentless commitment and to our candidates and clients for your continued trust in ManpowerGroup. That concludes our prepared remarks.
Speaker #2: Our cost discipline, diversified portfolio, and scaled digital and AI platform give us a clear leverage as demand stabilizes, with improving productivity and margin potential over time.
Speaker #2: Thank you to our talented team for your relentless commitment and to our candidates and clients for your continued trust in ManpowerGroup.
Speaker #1: And that concludes our prepared remarks and, as we go into our Q&A session, I'd like to ask if you could limit your question to one, so we can make sure everyone has the opportunity to ask a question this morning.
Jack McGinnis: As we go into our Q&A session, I'd like to ask if you could limit your question to one so we can make sure everyone has the opportunity to ask a question this morning. And with that, I'll ask our operator, Michelle, to start our Q&A session. Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 11. If your question hasn't answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, press star 11 again. And our first question comes from Mark Marcon with Baird. Your line is open. Hey, good morning. Jonas and Jack, it's great to see that there's some early signs of an inflection here. Jonas, I'd like to go back to some of your earlier comments just on a broad base with regards to the productivity and not just productivity, but also excellence initiatives that you have with some of your technology.
As we go into our Q&A session, I'd like to ask if you could limit your question to one so we can make sure everyone has the opportunity to ask a question this morning. And with that, I'll ask our operator, Michelle, to start our Q&A session.
Speaker #1: And with that, I'll ask our operator, Michelle, to start our Q&A session.
Operator: Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 11. If your question hasn't answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, press star 11 again. And our first question comes from Mark Marcon with Baird. Your line is open.
Speaker #3: Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 11. If your question has an answer and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, press star 11 again.
Speaker #3: And our first question comes from Mark Marcon with Baird. Your line is open.
Mark Marcon: Hey, good morning. Jonas and Jack, it's great to see that there's some early signs of an inflection here. Jonas, I'd like to go back to some of your earlier comments just on a broad base with regards to the productivity and not just productivity, but also excellence initiatives that you have with some of your technology.
Speaker #4: Hey, good morning. Jonas and Jack, it's great to see that there's some early signs of an inflection here. Jonas, I'd like to go back to some of your earlier comments, just on a broad base, with regards to the productivity and not just productivity, but also excellence initiatives that you have with some of your technology.
Speaker #4: As PowerSuite is fully implemented and as you implement AI, I'm wondering if you could discuss a little bit from a longer-term perspective what your aspirations are in terms of where the margins could ultimately end up going if we end up having kind of a nontraditional, more moderate recovery in the markets as opposed to the types of cyclical rebounds that we've seen more traditionally back in the '90s, early aughts, post-GFC?
Jack McGinnis: As PowerSuite is fully implemented and as you implement AI, I'm wondering if you could discuss a little bit from a longer-term perspective what your aspirations are in terms of where the margins could ultimately end up going if we end up having kind of a non-traditional, more moderate recovery in the markets as opposed to the types of cyclical rebounds that we've seen more traditionally back in the '90s, early aughts, and post-GFC, just because it seems like employment on the whole is going to be a little bit more limited in terms of growth. So I'm wondering if we have a moderate recovery, what should investors expect over the next 2 to 4 years with regards to where we could potentially go from a margin perspective? Good morning, Mark.
As PowerSuite is fully implemented and as you implement AI, I'm wondering if you could discuss a little bit from a longer-term perspective what your aspirations are in terms of where the margins could ultimately end up going if we end up having kind of a non-traditional, more moderate recovery in the markets as opposed to the types of cyclical rebounds that we've seen more traditionally back in the '90s, early aughts, and post-GFC, just because it seems like employment on the whole is going to be a little bit more limited in terms of growth. So I'm wondering if we have a moderate recovery, what should investors expect over the next 2 to 4 years with regards to where we could potentially go from a margin perspective?
Speaker #4: Just because it seems like employment on the whole is going to be a little bit more limited in terms of growth. So I'm wondering if we have a moderate recovery, what should investors expect over the next two to four years with regards to where we could potentially go from a margin
Speaker #4: perspective? Good
Jonas Prising: Good morning, Mark. And as you've heard from our prepared remarks, we're pleased to see that we're seeing the early signs of an inflection coming through. But to your specific question about our PowerSuite and investments over the last couple of years, they've really put us in a really, really good position for us to think about ways to evolve our business and optimize our processes and improve our customer, our client, and our candidate experience, regardless of what the market does and how quickly it comes back.
Speaker #1: morning, Mark, and as you've heard from our prepared remarks, we're pleased to see that we're seeing the sign, the early signs of an inflection coming through.
Jack McGinnis: And as you've heard from our prepared remarks, we're pleased to see that we're seeing the early signs of an inflection coming through. But to your specific question about our PowerSuite and investments over the last couple of years, they've really put us in a really, really good position for us to think about ways to evolve our business and optimize our processes and improve our customer, our client, and our candidate experience, regardless of what the market does and how quickly it comes back. So as you heard from Becky's prepared remarks, we're really thinking about this around productivity and growth. And we're encouraged by the early signs that we're seeing. You heard me talk about a number of examples in terms of AI enablement around experience and how we are improving the candidate experience and process as well. And we are really encouraged by what we're seeing.
Speaker #1: But to your specific question about our PowerSuite and investments over the last couple of years, they've really put us in a really, really good position for us to think about ways to evolve our business and optimize our processes and improve our customer, our client, and our candidate experience.
Speaker #1: Regardless of what the market does and how quickly it comes back. So as you heard from Becky's prepared remarks, we're really thinking about this around productivity and growth.
So as you heard from Becky's prepared remarks, we're really thinking about this around productivity and growth. And we're encouraged by the early signs that we're seeing. You heard me talk about a number of examples in terms of AI enablement around experience and how we are improving the candidate experience and process as well. And we are really encouraged by what we're seeing.
Speaker #1: And we're encouraged by the early signs that we're seeing. You heard me talk about a number of examples in terms of AI enablement around experience, and how we are improving the candidate experience and process as well.
Speaker #1: And we are really encouraged by what we're seeing. But as we said, it's early days yet, but our entire focus is around controlling what we can control and whether that's a faster recovery or a slower recovery.
Jack McGinnis: But as we said, it's early days yet, but our entire focus is around controlling what we can control. And whether that's a faster recovery or slower recovery, we're going to be driving growth, and we're going to be driving productivity. We will always be a people business. We are a people business today, but we are going to be an AI-enabled global people business. And that's the path that we're on. And we are very encouraged by the results that we're seeing so far. But maybe, Jack, you can talk a bit about what investors should expect from a longer-term perspective on margin. Yeah, happy to add some additional color there. I think, Mark, to Jonas's point, I think on the technology implementations, as you mentioned in the prepared remarks, on the front office side, we're now 87% complete on PowerSuite front office revenues, global revenues running through.
But as we said, it's early days yet, but our entire focus is around controlling what we can control. And whether that's a faster recovery or slower recovery, we're going to be driving growth, and we're going to be driving productivity. We will always be a people business. We are a people business today, but we are going to be an AI-enabled global people business. And that's the path that we're on. And we are very encouraged by the results that we're seeing so far. But maybe, Jack, you can talk a bit about what investors should expect from a longer-term perspective on margin.
Speaker #1: We're going to be driving growth, and we're going to be driving productivity. We will always be a people business. We are a people business today, but we are going to be an AI-enabled global people business, and that's the path that we're on, and we are very encouraged by the results that we're seeing so far.
Speaker #1: But maybe Jack, you can talk a bit about what investors should expect from a longer-term perspective on margin.
Jack McGinnis: Yeah, happy to add some additional color there. I think, Mark, to Jonas's point, I think on the technology implementations, as you mentioned in the prepared remarks, on the front office side, we're now 87% complete on PowerSuite front office revenues, global revenues running through. On the back office, we're at 75%. So we just had Italy go live as we ended the year. We're in a really good place. A lot of the heavy lifting has been done on the technology implementation.
Speaker #5: Yeah, happy to add some additional color there. I think, Mark, to Jonas's point, I think on the technology implementations, as you mentioned in the prepared remarks, on the front office side, we're now 87% complete on revenues global revenues running PowerSuite front office through.
Speaker #5: And on the back office, we're at 75%. So we just had Italy go live as we ended the year. So we're in a really good place.
Jack McGinnis: On the back office, we're at 75%. So we just had Italy go live as we ended the year. We're in a really good place. A lot of the heavy lifting has been done on the technology implementation. Now we're very focused on centralization and standardization. That is going to drive structural cost efficiency going forward. As I mentioned, on the back office, we expect that in the second half of this year. Even in a modest recovery scenario, you should expect EBITDA margin improvement year-over-year over the next four years in that scenario when we see continued improvement year-over-year. As I mentioned, we're really excited about extending the work we're doing on the back office.
Speaker #5: A lot of the heavy lifting has been done on the technology implementation, and now we're very focused on centralization and standardization, and that is going to drive structural cost efficiency going forward.
Now we're very focused on centralization and standardization. That is going to drive structural cost efficiency going forward. As I mentioned, on the back office, we expect that in the second half of this year. Even in a modest recovery scenario, you should expect EBITDA margin improvement year-over-year over the next four years in that scenario when we see continued improvement year-over-year. As I mentioned, we're really excited about extending the work we're doing on the back office. Now it's starting additional work on the front office, and that's going to drive it even further in terms of margin expansion opportunities going forward.
Speaker #5: And as I mentioned on the back office, we expect that in the second half of this year. So even in a modest recovery scenario, you should expect EBITDA margin improvement year over year over the next four years in that scenario when we see continued improvement year over year.
Speaker #5: And as I mentioned, we're really excited about extending the work we're doing on the back office now to starting additional work on the front office, and that's going to drive it even further in terms of margin expansion opportunities going
Jack McGinnis: Now it's starting additional work on the front office, and that's going to drive it even further in terms of margin expansion opportunities going forward. Any sort of goal or target that you would have just under a moderate recovery? I know it's early days, but just trying to get a realistic sense in terms of one point we were targeting 4.5%. Is it realistic to assume, hey, we should be able to get to 3%? I'm just wondering how you're thinking about it. Yeah, yeah. No, I would say, first off, we're absolutely still committed to the 4.5% to 5% mark. And you're right. We've delevered pretty significantly in the recent period here. So we're starting from a lower point.
Speaker #5: forward. Any sort of goal
Mark Marcon: Any sort of goal or target that you would have just under a moderate recovery? I know it's early days, but just trying to get a realistic sense in terms of one point we were targeting 4.5%. Is it realistic to assume, hey, we should be able to get to 3%? I'm just wondering how you're thinking about it.
Speaker #4: or target that you would have just under a moderate recovery? I know it's early days, but just trying to get a realistic sense in terms of one point we were targeting four and a half percent.
Speaker #4: Is it realistic to assume that, hey, we could we should be able to get to 3%? I'm just wondering how you're thinking about it.
Jack McGinnis: Yeah, yeah. No, I would say, first off, we're absolutely still committed to the 4.5% to 5% mark. And you're right. We've delevered pretty significantly in the recent period here. So we're starting from a lower point. But from that lower point, we're very optimistic we have an opportunity to expand margin meaningfully from this point over the next few years here to get back to the 4.5 to 5% over time. And it is going to be a measure of how much operational leverage comes in through the environment that will help. But even without that, we're going to have really good opportunity to continue to climb progressively forward towards that 4.5% over the next couple of years.
Speaker #5: Yeah, no, I would say first off, we're absolutely still committed to the four and a half to five percent, Mark. And you're right, we've delivered pretty significantly in the recent period here.
Speaker #5: So we're starting from a lower point, but from that lower point, we're very optimistic. We have an opportunity to expand margin meaningfully from this point over the next few years here.
Jack McGinnis: But from that lower point, we're very optimistic we have an opportunity to expand margin meaningfully from this point over the next few years here to get back to the 4.5 to 5% over time. And it is going to be a measure of how much operational leverage comes in through the environment that will help. But even without that, we're going to have really good opportunity to continue to climb progressively forward towards that 4.5% over the next couple of years. That's excellent. Thank you so much. Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Steinerman with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open. Hi. This one is probably a little tougher. So when you talk about a path towards sustainable organic revenue growth, could you give us a sense of what level of sustainable organic revenue growth is likely once the staffing market starts to improve?
Speaker #5: To get back to the four and a half to five percent, over time, and it is going to be a measure of how much operational leverage comes in through the environment, that will help.
Speaker #5: But even without that, we're going to have really good opportunity to continue to climb progressively forward towards that four and a half percent over the next couple of
Speaker #5: years.
Mark Marcon: That's excellent. Thank you so much.
Speaker #4: That's
Speaker #4: excellent. Thank you so much.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Steinerman with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Andrew Steinerman: Hi. This one is probably a little tougher. So when you talk about a path towards sustainable organic revenue growth, could you give us a sense of what level of sustainable organic revenue growth is likely once the staffing market starts to improve? Then kind of an add-on to that question, we've been hearing a notable chatter from the staffing industry operators talking about an increased interest in flexible workers once such a recovery takes hold because labor uncertainty will remain. Do you have a view on that thesis?
Speaker #7: Hi, this one is probably a little tougher. So, when you talk about a path towards sustainable organic revenue growth, could you give us a sense of what level of sustainable organic revenue growth is likely once the staffing market starts to improve?
Speaker #7: And then kind of an add-on to that question, we've been hearing a notable chat about a chatter from the staffing industry operators talking about an increased interest in flexible workers once such a recovery takes hold because labor uncertainty will remain.
Jack McGinnis: Then kind of an add-on to that question, we've been hearing a notable chatter from the staffing industry operators talking about an increased interest in flexible workers once such a recovery takes hold because labor uncertainty will remain. Do you have a view on that thesis? So thanks, Andrew. Yeah, no, to predict when and how the market is going to be improving overall, I think, is difficult. But as you can tell, we've been improving our performance in the US, for instance, in a tough market with 6 quarters of continuous growth for the Manpower brand. You've seen a number of our countries, despite reasonably stable but not growing labor markets, perform very well, such as Italy and Spain, not to mention Japan that has 45 quarters of consistent growth.
Speaker #7: Do you have a view on that?
Speaker #7: Do you have a view on that thesis? So thanks,
Jonas Prising: So thanks, Andrew. Yeah, no, to predict when and how the market is going to be improving overall, I think, is difficult. But as you can tell, we've been improving our performance in the US, for instance, in a tough market with 6 quarters of continuous growth for the Manpower brand. You've seen a number of our countries, despite reasonably stable but not growing labor markets, perform very well, such as Italy and Spain, not to mention Japan that has 45 quarters of consistent growth.
Speaker #5: Andrew: Yeah, no, to predict when and how the market is going to be improving overall, I think, is difficult. But as you can tell, we've been improving our performance in the US, for instance, in a tough market, with six quarters of continuous growth for the Manpower brand.
Speaker #5: You've seen a number of our countries despite reasonably stable but not growing labor markets perform very well, such as Italy and Spain, not to mention Japan, that has 45 quarters of consistent growth.
Speaker #5: So I'd say that just as Jack just mentioned in his conversation with Mark, that we're going to control what we can control, make sure that we drive the efficiencies we need to do in markets where we are facing headwinds.
Jack McGinnis: So I'd say that just as Jack just mentioned in his conversation with Mark, that we're going to control what we can control, make sure that we drive the efficiencies we need to do in markets where we are facing headwinds. We will be very focused on right-sizing the business and adjusting capacity to the existing demand. In markets where we see the opportunity, we're investing in demand-generating activities, and we'll keep on working very, very hard on driving growth to capture share, as well as driving the productivity initiatives that you have seen us execute on in a number of markets and over a number of quarters. And we're encouraged by the inflection points that we've seen and the improvement in trends in France and in the US, particularly, and the earlier ones. It's too early for us to call a broad-based recovery is in motion.
So I'd say that just as Jack just mentioned in his conversation with Mark, that we're going to control what we can control, make sure that we drive the efficiencies we need to do in markets where we are facing headwinds. We will be very focused on right-sizing the business and adjusting capacity to the existing demand. In markets where we see the opportunity, we're investing in demand-generating activities, and we'll keep on working very, very hard on driving growth to capture share, as well as driving the productivity initiatives that you have seen us execute on in a number of markets and over a number of quarters. And we're encouraged by the inflection points that we've seen and the improvement in trends in France and in the US, particularly, and the earlier ones. It's too early for us to call a broad-based recovery is in motion.
Speaker #5: We will be very focused on right-sizing the business and adjusting capacity to the existing demand. In markets where we see the opportunity, we're investing in demand-generating activities and we'll keep on working very, very hard on driving growth to capture share as well as driving the productivity initiatives that you have seen us execute on in a number of markets and over a number of quarters.
Speaker #5: And we're encouraged by the inflection points that we've seen and the improvement in trends in France, and in the US particularly, and the earlier ones.
Speaker #5: It's too early for us to call a broad-based recovery is in motion, but certainly over the last couple of quarters we've had some positive signs.
Jack McGinnis: But certainly, over the last couple of quarters, we've had some positive signs. As you can tell from our guide, we expect those trends to continue into Q1. On the second part of your question around flexibility, maybe, Becky, you could give some insights in what you've heard from clients and some of the work that we've been doing. So over to you. Thanks. Thanks, Andrew. It's a timely question because we're just off of two weeks in Europe spending time with our markets as well as spending time with our clients and partners at the World Economic Forum. Just as you said, the chatter around flexibility is increasing. For us, that's good for our business because it's one of the prime core propositions that we offer is flexibility. So we're seeing that in the short term as well as over the long term.
But certainly, over the last couple of quarters, we've had some positive signs. As you can tell from our guide, we expect those trends to continue into Q1. On the second part of your question around flexibility, maybe, Becky, you could give some insights in what you've heard from clients and some of the work that we've been doing. So over to you.
Speaker #5: And as you can tell from our guide, we expect those trends to continue into the first quarter. On the second part of your question around flexibility, maybe Becky, you could give some insights in what you've heard from clients and some of the work that we've been doing so over to
Speaker #5: And as you can tell from our guide, we expect those trends to continue into the first quarter. On the second part of your question around flexibility—maybe, Becky, you could give some insights on what you've heard from clients and some of the work that we've been doing. So, over to you.
Becky Frankiewicz: Thanks. Thanks, Andrew. It's a timely question because we're just off of two weeks in Europe spending time with our markets as well as spending time with our clients and partners at the World Economic Forum. Just as you said, the chatter around flexibility is increasing. For us, that's good for our business because it's one of the prime core propositions that we offer is flexibility. So we're seeing that in the short term as well as over the long term.
Speaker #8: Thanks. Thanks, Andrew. It's a timely question because we're just off of two weeks in Europe, spending time with our markets as well as spending time with our clients.
Speaker #8: And partners at the World Economic Forum. And just as you said, the chatter around flexibility is increasing. And for us, that's good for our business because it's one of the prime core propositions that we offer is flexibility.
Speaker #8: And so we're seeing that in the short term as well as over the long term. All the research I've done around the strategy indicates that candidates want more flexibility and clients want more flexibility.
Jack McGinnis: All the research I've done around the strategy indicates that candidates want more flexibility and clients want more flexibility. So we anticipate this is good for today. It's also going to be good for us in the future. So the chatter is starting. We're not seeing all that flow through in volume yet, but it starts with conversation. Thanks, Becky. Thank you. Our next question comes from Karthik Mehta with North Coast Research. Your line is open. Good morning. Jack, I think you said enterprise demand is helping at least stabilize the revenue. And I'm wondering, as enterprise revenue grows, what that means for margins, maybe even cash conversion, and kind of what you think about revenue durability for the business. Sure, Karthik. Happy to talk about that. So you're right. And that has been the trend we've seen in the second half of the year.
All the research I've done around the strategy indicates that candidates want more flexibility and clients want more flexibility. So we anticipate this is good for today. It's also going to be good for us in the future. So the chatter is starting. We're not seeing all that flow through in volume yet, but it starts with conversation.
Speaker #8: And so we anticipate this is good for today; it's also going to be good for us in the future. So the chatter is starting.
Speaker #8: We're not seeing all that flow through in volume yet, but it starts with
Speaker #8: We're not seeing all that flow through in volume yet, but it starts with conversation. Thanks,
Andrew Steinerman: Thanks, Becky.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Karthik Mehta with North Coast Research. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Thank you, our Becky. Next question comes from Karthik Mehta with North Coast Research. Open.
Speaker #6: Your line is Good
Kartik Mehta: Good morning. Jack, I think you said enterprise demand is helping at least stabilize the revenue. And I'm wondering, as enterprise revenue grows, what that means for margins, maybe even cash conversion, and kind of what you think about revenue durability for the business.
Speaker #9: morning. Jack, I think you said enterprise demand is helping at least stabilize the revenue. And I'm wondering, as enterprise revenue grows, what that means for margins, maybe even cash conversion, and kind of what you think about revenue durability.
Speaker #9: For the business.
Jack McGinnis: Sure, Karthik. Happy to talk about that. So you're right. And that has been the trend we've seen in the second half of the year. The enterprise client has been the lion's share of the demand. We've seen the mixed impact on the GP margin. Now, with that being said, most of that has worked its way through. If you look at Q3, that's really when we signaled the shift weighted in a bit more. From Q3 to Q4, it's really been quite stable.
Speaker #5: Sure, Karthik. Happy to talk about that. So you're right, and that has been the trend we've seen in the second half of the year. The enterprise client has been the lion's share of the demand.
Jack McGinnis: The enterprise client has been the lion's share of the demand. We've seen the mixed impact on the GP margin. Now, with that being said, most of that has worked its way through. If you look at Q3, that's really when we signaled the shift weighted in a bit more. From Q3 to Q4, it's really been quite stable. You see in the GP margin bridge on the staffing side, it's down that same 40 basis points year-over-year from Q3, again in Q4. That is signaling that a lot of that enterprise shift has worked its way through. I'd say with that, pricing remains very rational. That indicates that we are always competitive, but pricing is not changing. That is not having the impact. It's really just that averaging impact on the enterprise client.
Speaker #5: And we've seen the mixed impact on the GP margin. Now, with that being said, most of that is work that's way through. If you look at the third quarter, that's really when we signaled the shift weighted in a bit more and from the third quarter to the fourth quarter, it's really been quite stable.
Speaker #5: So, you see in the GP margin bridge, on the staffing side, it's down that same 40 basis points year over year from Q3, again in Q4.
You see in the GP margin bridge on the staffing side, it's down that same 40 basis points year-over-year from Q3, again in Q4. That is signaling that a lot of that enterprise shift has worked its way through. I'd say with that, pricing remains very rational. That indicates that we are always competitive, but pricing is not changing. That is not having the impact. It's really just that averaging impact on the enterprise client.
Speaker #5: So that is signaling that a lot of that enterprise shift is work that's way through. And I'd say with that, pricing remains very rational.
Speaker #5: That indicates that we are it's always competitive, but pricing is not changing. And that is not having the impact. It's really just that averaging impact on the enterprise client.
Speaker #5: With that being said, you mentioned a couple of other things. What impact is that going to have on the balance sheet and cash flow?
Jack McGinnis: With that being said, you mentioned a couple of other things. What impact is that going to have on the balance sheet and cash flow? I would say that is part of the equation. We did see DSO tick up a bit. We do know enterprise clients traditionally have a bit longer payment terms on average. And again, I'd say that's worked its way through in the numbers. With that being said, we're very focused on that. We have actions in place to continue to mitigate that. And we expect ongoing progress in that in 2026. And then lastly, I'd say the other part of the enterprise component is that does create some timing in terms of the cash flows. And we saw that with perhaps some lighter cash flow in the Q3 year-over-year.
With that being said, you mentioned a couple of other things. What impact is that going to have on the balance sheet and cash flow? I would say that is part of the equation. We did see DSO tick up a bit. We do know enterprise clients traditionally have a bit longer payment terms on average. And again, I'd say that's worked its way through in the numbers. With that being said, we're very focused on that. We have actions in place to continue to mitigate that. And we expect ongoing progress in that in 2026. And then lastly, I'd say the other part of the enterprise component is that does create some timing in terms of the cash flows. And we saw that with perhaps some lighter cash flow in the Q3 year-over-year.
Speaker #5: And I would say that is part of the equation. We did see DSO tick up a bit. We do know enterprise clients traditionally have a bit longer payment terms on average.
Speaker #5: And that's, again, I'd say that's work that's way through. And the numbers, with that being said, we're very focused on that. We have actions in place to continue to mitigate that.
Speaker #5: ongoing progress in that And we expect in 2026. And then lastly, I'd say the other part of the enterprise component is that does create some timing in terms of the cash flows.
Speaker #5: And we saw that with perhaps some lighter cash flow in the third quarter year over year. But a really good fourth quarter cash flow result as a lot of those enterprise client payment terms came in during the fourth quarter, really driving a pretty strong fourth quarter free cash flow result for us on an overall basis.
Jack McGinnis: But a really good fourth quarter cash flow result, as a lot of those enterprise client payment terms came in during the fourth quarter, really driving a pretty strong fourth quarter free cash flow result for us on an overall basis. So it's all part of the balancing equation between enterprise and non-enterprise on an overall basis. We have actions in place to mitigate that, the DSO that I mentioned. And we do expect ongoing improvement as we go forward here in 2026. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Our next question comes from Trevor Romeo with William Blair. Your line is open. Morning. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to, I guess, focus on some of the commentary on year-term demand. I think you noted some improvements throughout the quarter in some of your key markets.
But a really good fourth quarter cash flow result, as a lot of those enterprise client payment terms came in during the fourth quarter, really driving a pretty strong fourth quarter free cash flow result for us on an overall basis. So it's all part of the balancing equation between enterprise and non-enterprise on an overall basis. We have actions in place to mitigate that, the DSO that I mentioned. And we do expect ongoing improvement as we go forward here in 2026.
Speaker #5: the balancing equation between So it's all part of enterprise and non-enterprise on an overall basis. We have actions in place to mitigate that DSO that I mentioned.
Speaker #5: And we do expect ongoing improvement as we go forward here in 2026.
Kartik Mehta: Thank you. Appreciate it.
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Speaker #9: Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Trevor Romeo with William Blair. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: You. Our next question comes from Trevor Romeo with William Blair. Your line is open.
Trevor Romeo: Morning. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to, I guess, focus on some of the commentary on year-term demand. I think you noted some improvements throughout the quarter in some of your key markets. So I was just wondering if you could maybe provide some more color or, Jack, if you could maybe quantify how the revenue trends progressed on a monthly basis in maybe France, Italy, US, maybe UK, and any color on what you're seeing so far in January if you have it. Thanks.
Speaker #10: Morning. Thank you for taking the questions. I wanted to, I guess, focus on some of the commentary on year-term demand. I think you noted some improvement throughout the quarter in some of your key markets.
Speaker #10: So it was just wondering if you could maybe provide some more color or, Jack, if you could maybe quantify how the revenue trends progressed on a monthly basis in maybe France, Italy, US, maybe UK, and any color on what you're seeing so far in January if you have it.
Jack McGinnis: So I was just wondering if you could maybe provide some more color or, Jack, if you could maybe quantify how the revenue trends progressed on a monthly basis in maybe France, Italy, US, maybe UK, and any color on what you're seeing so far in January if you have it. Thanks. Thanks, Trevor. I'd be happy to add a little color there. I'd say generally, we're seeing positive momentum in a lot of our large markets. And maybe to your point, starting with France, improvement over the last 4 months sequentially, month-over-month. So we ended September on a days-adjusted basis at -4, improved slightly into October, moved to -3 in November, and ended December -2. So very good progress sequentially. And as we sit here in January, we're seeing ongoing progress here.
Jack McGinnis: Thanks, Trevor. I'd be happy to add a little color there. I'd say generally, we're seeing positive momentum in a lot of our large markets. And maybe to your point, starting with France, improvement over the last 4 months sequentially, month-over-month. So we ended September on a days-adjusted basis at -4, improved slightly into October, moved to -3 in November, and ended December -2. So very good progress sequentially. And as we sit here in January, we're seeing ongoing progress here.
Speaker #10: Thanks.
Speaker #5: Thanks,
Speaker #5: Trevor, I'd be happy to add a little color there. I'd say, generally, we're seeing positive momentum in a lot of our large markets. And maybe to your point, starting with France, we've seen improvement over the last four months sequentially, month over month.
Speaker #5: So we ended September on a day's adjusted basis at minus 4, improved slightly into October, moved to minus 3 in November, and ended December minus 2.
Speaker #5: So very good progress sequentially. And as we sit here in January, we're seeing ongoing progress here. And that aligns with the guide that I gave for the first quarter.
Jack McGinnis: And that aligns with the guide that I gave for the first quarter. So that is ongoing quarter-over-quarter improvement in France. And that's great to see for us. And so that's our biggest country, and that's a big driver. I would say if we look at the US, we've discussed the trends in Manpower very frequently this year. Very strong. We're performing really, really well. So they've been running +7%, +8% in the second half of the year. We take that momentum into the first quarter. I think on the US overall, on an underlying basis, very stable from Q4 to Q1. I say underlying because we know the healthcare go-lives in the Experis business. As I mentioned, the prepared remarks can be a bit lumpy. But if you normalize for that, the US is trending on a stable position into Q1.
And that aligns with the guide that I gave for the first quarter. So that is ongoing quarter-over-quarter improvement in France. And that's great to see for us. And so that's our biggest country, and that's a big driver. I would say if we look at the US, we've discussed the trends in Manpower very frequently this year. Very strong. We're performing really, really well. So they've been running +7%, +8% in the second half of the year. We take that momentum into the first quarter. I think on the US overall, on an underlying basis, very stable from Q4 to Q1. I say underlying because we know the healthcare go-lives in the Experis business. As I mentioned, the prepared remarks can be a bit lumpy. But if you normalize for that, the US is trending on a stable position into Q1.
Speaker #5: So, that is ongoing quarter-over-quarter improvement in France, and that's great to see for us. That's our biggest country, and that's a big driver.
Speaker #5: I would say if we look at the US, we've been very we've discussed the trends in manpower very frequently this year, very strong. We're performing really, really well.
Speaker #5: So they've been running plus 7, plus 8 percent in the second half of the year. We take that momentum into the first quarter. I think on the US overall, on an underlying basis, very stable from Q4 to Q1.
Speaker #5: I say underlying because we know the healthcare go-lives and the experience business, as I mentioned, the prepared remarks can be a bit lumpy. But if you normalize for that, the US is trending on a stable position into Q1.
Speaker #5: And then Italy is, as we mentioned, as Jonas mentioned, performing very, very strong. And I'd say on those trends, Italy very strong sequential quarter trends.
Jack McGinnis: Italy, as we mentioned, as Jonas mentioned, performing very, very strong. I'd say on those trends, Italy, very strong sequential quarter trends as we end the year here. I'd say we saw that generally. December is always a little bit of a tricky month just based on the holidays and so forth. But I'd say on an overall basis, Italy is continuing to see very strong momentum, particularly here in January. So moving, we're at that +7% days-adjusted in Q4. We feel really good, as I mentioned, for a similar trend into Q1. I'd say those are the biggest countries and some of the momentum. But as I mentioned, I'd say generally moving in line with positive trends as we start 2026. Got it. Thank you, Jack. Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets.
Italy, as we mentioned, as Jonas mentioned, performing very, very strong. I'd say on those trends, Italy, very strong sequential quarter trends as we end the year here. I'd say we saw that generally. December is always a little bit of a tricky month just based on the holidays and so forth. But I'd say on an overall basis, Italy is continuing to see very strong momentum, particularly here in January. So moving, we're at that +7% days-adjusted in Q4. We feel really good, as I mentioned, for a similar trend into Q1. I'd say those are the biggest countries and some of the momentum. But as I mentioned, I'd say generally moving in line with positive trends as we start 2026.
Speaker #5: As we end the year, here, and I'd say we saw that generally December is always a little bit of a tricky month just based on the holidays and so forth.
Speaker #5: But I'd say on an overall basis, Italy is continuing to see very strong momentum, particularly here in January. So moving we're at that plus 7 percent days adjusted in Q4.
Speaker #5: And we feel really good, as I mentioned, for a similar trend into Q1. So I'd say those are the biggest countries and some of the momentum.
Speaker #5: But as I mentioned, I'd say generally moving in line with positive trends as we start 2026.
Trevor Romeo: Got it. Thank you, Jack.
Speaker #10: Got it. Thank you,
Speaker #10: Jack. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Our next question comes from Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Jack McGinnis: Your line is open. Thank you so much. Jonas, I think in one of the answers to the previous questions, you talked about being able to control what you can control. I'm just curious, are you expanding your workforce in any regions, or because of the technology you put in, you're still able to have some excess capacity? Good morning, Jeff. Yeah, we are expanding, more so thinking about this from a regional perspective. We're thinking about it from a country perspective. And there are definitely countries where we're expanding our teams, and it's mostly in demand-driving roles. So when you think about the growth that we're seeing in Japan, if we're thinking about the growth we're seeing in Italy, we're leaning into, and we're expanding our team members there, especially in demand-driving roles. And we continue to bring great tools through the PowerSuite to our recruiters.
Jeff Silber: Thank you so much. Jonas, I think in one of the answers to the previous questions, you talked about being able to control what you can control. I'm just curious, are you expanding your workforce in any regions, or because of the technology you put in, you're still able to have some excess capacity?
Speaker #11: Thank you so much. Jonas, I think in one of the answers to the previous questions, you talked about being able to control what you can control.
Speaker #11: I'm just curious, are you expanding your workforce in any regions or because of the technology you put in, you're still able to have some excess capacity?
Jonas Prising: Good morning, Jeff. Yeah, we are expanding, more so thinking about this from a regional perspective. We're thinking about it from a country perspective. And there are definitely countries where we're expanding our teams, and it's mostly in demand-driving roles. So when you think about the growth that we're seeing in Japan, if we're thinking about the growth we're seeing in Italy, we're leaning into, and we're expanding our team members there, especially in demand-driving roles. And we continue to bring great tools through the PowerSuite to our recruiters.
Speaker #5: Good morning, Jeff. Yeah, we are expanding more so thinking about this from a regional perspective. We're thinking about it from a country perspective. And there are definitely countries where we're expanding.
Speaker #5: Our teams and it's mostly in demand-driving roles. So when you think about the growth that we're seeing in Japan, if we're thinking about the growth we're seeing in Italy, we're leaning into and we're expanding our team members there, especially in demand-driving roles.
Speaker #5: And we continue to bring great tools through the power suite to our recruiters. And we are seeing, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, some notable productivity improvement, for instance, in our candidate screening capabilities.
Jack McGinnis: And we are seeing, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, some notable productivity improvement, for instance, in our candidate screening capabilities. And one of the huge advantages that we believe we are uniquely positioned to take advantage of is our global scale of PowerSuite. So we have a global technology infrastructure, modern, and a global data asset that we are leveraging for faster expansion of recruiter tools that drive better productivity and enhance the client and candidate experience. So the answer to that is yes, we adjust capacity to demand. And in some cases, in some countries, that means we're leaning into demand-generating roles. And in others, we are pulling back so that we ensure we protect our ability to deliver the bottom-line margins that we're targeting. All right. Great. Thanks for the call. Thanks, Jeff. Thank you. Our next question comes from Manav Patnaik with Barclays.
And we are seeing, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, some notable productivity improvement, for instance, in our candidate screening capabilities. And one of the huge advantages that we believe we are uniquely positioned to take advantage of is our global scale of PowerSuite. So we have a global technology infrastructure, modern, and a global data asset that we are leveraging for faster expansion of recruiter tools that drive better productivity and enhance the client and candidate experience. So the answer to that is yes, we adjust capacity to demand. And in some cases, in some countries, that means we're leaning into demand-generating roles. And in others, we are pulling back so that we ensure we protect our ability to deliver the bottom-line margins that we're targeting.
Speaker #5: And one of the huge advantages that we believe we are uniquely positioned to take advantage of is our global scale of power suite. So we have a global technology infrastructure modern and a global data asset that we are leveraging for faster expansion of recruiter tools that drive better productivity and enhance the client and candidate experience.
Speaker #5: So the answer to that is yes, we adjust capacity to demand and in some cases, in some countries, that means we're leaning into demand-generating roles.
Speaker #5: And in others, we are pulling back so that we ensure we protect our ability to deliver the bottom line margins that we're targeting.
Jeff Silber: All right. Great. Thanks for the call.
Speaker #11: All right. Great. Thanks for the call.
Jonas Prising: Thanks, Jeff.
Speaker #10: Thanks,
Speaker #10: Jeff. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Manav Patnaik with Barclays.
Speaker #6: Our next question comes from Manav Patnik with Barclays. Your line is
Speaker #6: Our next question comes from Manav Patnik with Barclays. Your line is open. Hi,
Jack McGinnis: Your line is open. Hi, good morning. This is Ronan Kennedy out from Manav. Thank you for taking our questions. Could you please reconfirm? I know you talked about what you're seeing associates on assignments and key markets, the positive trends in the US and France, etc. Could you please reconfirm other leading indicators to be mindful of that give insight to potential depths and breadths of the demand dynamics? And then what we could or should potentially look for to see to enable to call a broad-based recovery, whether that's new assignment starts and priority verticals or even fundamental client conversations, what we could look for for that broad-based recovery confirmation. Thanks, Ronan. Well, there are a number of indicators that we look at from a demand perspective. And you can take anything from the conversations that Becky referenced.
Ronan Kennedy: Your line is open. Hi, good morning. This is Ronan Kennedy out from Manav. Thank you for taking our questions. Could you please reconfirm? I know you talked about what you're seeing associates on assignments and key markets, the positive trends in the US and France, etc. Could you please reconfirm other leading indicators to be mindful of that give insight to potential depths and breadths of the demand dynamics? And then what we could or should potentially look for to see to enable to call a broad-based recovery, whether that's new assignment starts and priority verticals or even fundamental client conversations, what we could look for for that broad-based recovery confirmation.
Speaker #7: good morning. This is Ronan Kennedy. I'm from Manav. Thank you for taking our questions. Could you please reconfirm? I know you talked about what you're seeing associates on assignments and key markets, the positive trends in the US and France, etc.
Speaker #7: Could you please reconfirm other leading indicators to be mindful of that give insight to potential depths and breadths of the demand dynamics? And then what we could or should potentially look for to see to enable to call a broad-based recovery?
Speaker #7: Whether that's new assignment starts and priority verticals, or even fundamental client conversations, what we could look for for that broad-based recovery.
Speaker #7: confirmation.
Jonas Prising: Thanks, Ronan. Well, there are a number of indicators that we look at from a demand perspective. And you can take anything from the conversations that Becky referenced.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Ronan. Well, there are a number of
Speaker #5: Indicators that we look at from a demand perspective—and you can take anything from the conversations that Becky referenced—we are hearing more clients express a desire to start to think about, through our various brands, projects that they have held back and are now getting closer to activating.
Jack McGinnis: We are hearing more clients express a desire to start to think about, through our various brands, about projects that they have held back and are now getting closer to activating. As Becky said, we're not seeing the activation yet, but the number of conversations with clients and employers seems to indicate that they are looking forward with greater confidence and that their plans are getting closer to being executed. So we then look at, of course, the flow of demand in terms of RFPs and RFIs that would come our way. And clearly, what we've been very successful at is targeting the verticals, the industry verticals that we feel good about for growth at this point versus others that we see have headwinds. So we feel, for instance, that the aerospace and defense sector could give us some tremendous opportunity across Europe.
We are hearing more clients express a desire to start to think about, through our various brands, about projects that they have held back and are now getting closer to activating. As Becky said, we're not seeing the activation yet, but the number of conversations with clients and employers seems to indicate that they are looking forward with greater confidence and that their plans are getting closer to being executed. So we then look at, of course, the flow of demand in terms of RFPs and RFIs that would come our way. And clearly, what we've been very successful at is targeting the verticals, the industry verticals that we feel good about for growth at this point versus others that we see have headwinds. So we feel, for instance, that the aerospace and defense sector could give us some tremendous opportunity across Europe.
Speaker #5: As Becky said, we're not seeing the activation yet, but the number of conversations with clients and employers seems to indicate that they are looking forward with greater confidence and that their plans are getting closer to being executed.
Speaker #5: So we then look at, of course, the flow of demand in terms of RFPs and RFIs that would come our way and clearly what we've been very successful at is targeting the verticals, the industry verticals that we this point versus feel good about for growth at
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Jack McGinnis: We have strong positions in a number of our very strong countries, such as France, the UK, Sweden, and Italy. So we're very well positioned there. We feel good about that opportunity. So that's how we're sort of thinking about both looking at the moves within industry sectors as well as the client conversations within those sectors or verticals, and then in other areas as well. Frankly, we'll know the broad-based recovery when you see these inflection points coming through in lots of our countries. But as we've mentioned in our prepared remarks, we've been very encouraged by the overall trend in a number of our important markets. We continue to perform very well in Asia-Pacific as well as in Latin America. In fact, Asia-Pacific broke an all-time profitability record in 2025. Latin America continues to perform very well.
We have strong positions in a number of our very strong countries, such as France, the UK, Sweden, and Italy. So we're very well positioned there. We feel good about that opportunity. So that's how we're sort of thinking about both looking at the moves within industry sectors as well as the client conversations within those sectors or verticals, and then in other areas as well. Frankly, we'll know the broad-based recovery when you see these inflection points coming through in lots of our countries. But as we've mentioned in our prepared remarks, we've been very encouraged by the overall trend in a number of our important markets. We continue to perform very well in Asia-Pacific as well as in Latin America. In fact, Asia-Pacific broke an all-time profitability record in 2025. Latin America continues to perform very well.
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Jack McGinnis: We have market-leading positions in 13 countries in that important region. So we're encouraged by what we're seeing, but we're not fully there yet from a broad-based recovery. But we are controlling what we can control, driving growth where we see demand, and adjusting our cost to and capacity to demand in markets that remain more difficult. Thank you. Appreciate it. As a follow-up to your having spent two weeks in Europe around the World Economic Forum, are there any implications of potential political sentiment shift from Europe towards the US or any shifts in trade alliances as a result of US ambitions in the continent and the general approach that was taken at Davos? Could these developments have implications for some of the momentum you are seeing in Europe or the shape of recovery inflection or general time required for stabilization where it hasn't come yet?
We have market-leading positions in 13 countries in that important region. So we're encouraged by what we're seeing, but we're not fully there yet from a broad-based recovery. But we are controlling what we can control, driving growth where we see demand, and adjusting our cost to and capacity to demand in markets that remain more difficult.
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Ronan Kennedy: Thank you. Appreciate it. As a follow-up to your having spent two weeks in Europe around the World Economic Forum, are there any implications of potential political sentiment shift from Europe towards the US or any shifts in trade alliances as a result of US ambitions in the continent and the general approach that was taken at Davos? Could these developments have implications for some of the momentum you are seeing in Europe or the shape of recovery inflection or general time required for stabilization where it hasn't come yet?
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Jack McGinnis: We clearly are living in a turbulent environment, but I have to say from what we're seeing from our clients and from our business at this point, this is not impacting our business. And to Becky's earlier point on flexibility, if anything, employers are becoming more confident about the future against the backdrop of greater turbulence. Flexibility is key for them to find the right talent and be able to adjust with various kinds of skill sets. So we actually think this so far has not really impacted our business based on the trends that we're seeing. And we're now used as employers and organizations to a more fluctuating geopolitical environment, and companies at some point have to decide to manage through it and get on with the business of doing business. And that's what we're seeing, I think, in a lot of our countries. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Jonas Prising: We clearly are living in a turbulent environment, but I have to say from what we're seeing from our clients and from our business at this point, this is not impacting our business. And to Becky's earlier point on flexibility, if anything, employers are becoming more confident about the future against the backdrop of greater turbulence. Flexibility is key for them to find the right talent and be able to adjust with various kinds of skill sets. So we actually think this so far has not really impacted our business based on the trends that we're seeing. And we're now used as employers and organizations to a more fluctuating geopolitical environment, and companies at some point have to decide to manage through it and get on with the business of doing business. And that's what we're seeing, I think, in a lot of our countries.
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Speaker #1: living in a Are turbulent environment , but I have to say , from what we're seeing from our clients and from our business at this point , you know , not this is impacting our business .
Speaker #1: And to Becky's earlier point on flexibility , if anything , you know , employers are becoming more confident about the future against the backdrop of greater turbulence .
Speaker #1: Flexibility is key for them to find the right talent and be able to adjust , you know , with various kinds of of of skill sets .
Speaker #1: So we actually think , you know , this , this so far has not really impacted our business based on the trends that we're seeing .
Speaker #1: And , you know , we're we're now used as employers and organizations to a more fluctuating geopolitical environment . And companies at some point have to decide to manage through it and get on with the business of doing business .
Ronan Kennedy: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Jack McGinnis: May I just sneak in one more? Could I ask for your broad high-level characterization of the labor and hiring markets? I think previously it was frozen. Is it thawing now, or how would you characterize it? I would say that the labor market is stabilizing, and we think the broader labor market, if you're referring to the US, is heading to stabilization. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. And our next question comes from Josh Chan with UBS. Your line is open. Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just have a two-part question on margins. So for SG&A leverage, it seems like your momentum is picking up quite nicely there. So could you talk to what's driving that in the last two quarters and where SG&A leverage could potentially go? And then I guess number two is on the gross margin line.
May I just sneak in one more? Could I ask for your broad high-level characterization of the labor and hiring markets? I think previously it was frozen. Is it thawing now, or how would you characterize it?
Speaker #1: And that's what we're seeing , I think , in a lot of our countries .
Speaker #2: Thank you . Appreciate it . May I just sneak in one more ? Could I ask for your broad , high level characterization of the labor and hiring markets ?
Jonas Prising: I would say that the labor market is stabilizing, and we think the broader labor market, if you're referring to the US, is heading to stabilization.
Speaker #2: it thawing was frozen or how would . Is you now previously it characterize it I think ?
Speaker #3: would say I that .
Speaker #1: The labor market is stabilizing and, you know, we broadly think the labor market you're referring to, if you're referring to the US, is heading to stabilization.
Ronan Kennedy: Thank you very much. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from Josh Chan with UBS. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: Thank you very much . Thank you .
Josh Chan: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just have a two-part question on margins. So for SG&A leverage, it seems like your momentum is picking up quite nicely there. So could you talk to what's driving that in the last two quarters and where SG&A leverage could potentially go? And then I guess number two is on the gross margin line.
Speaker #4: Thank you . And our next question comes from Josh Chan with UBS . Your line is open .
Speaker #5: Hi . Good morning . Thanks for taking my question . I just have a two part question on margins . So for for Cigna leverage , it seems like your momentum is picking up quite nicely there .
Speaker #5: So could you talk to what's driving that in the last two quarters . And where leverage could potentially go . And then I guess number two is on the gross margin line .
Jack McGinnis: A lot of this call has been about stabilization, but that's sort of the one line that has not yet stabilized. So do you have any thoughts on whether gross margin will stabilize as the demand environment does the same? Thanks for any color there. Okay. Thanks, Josh. I think on the SG&A, it's pretty straightforward, and thank you for your comments there. So we are very proud of the actions we've taken and the results we're seeing in the SG&A coming down 4% in constant currency in Q4. And to your point, that's an improvement from the 2% constant currency decline in Q3. So we've done a lot of work. We've taken a lot of actions earlier in the year, and we're seeing the benefits of that hard work coming through in the run right now.
A lot of this call has been about stabilization, but that's sort of the one line that has not yet stabilized. So do you have any thoughts on whether gross margin will stabilize as the demand environment does the same? Thanks for any color there.
Speaker #5: You know , a lot of this call has been about stabilization . But that's sort of the has yet one line that stabilized .
Speaker #5: So any do you have thoughts on whether margin gross will stabilize as the demand environment does the same ? Thanks for any color .
Jack McGinnis: Okay. Thanks, Josh. I think on the SG&A, it's pretty straightforward, and thank you for your comments there. So we are very proud of the actions we've taken and the results we're seeing in the SG&A coming down 4% in constant currency in Q4. And to your point, that's an improvement from the 2% constant currency decline in Q3. So we've done a lot of work. We've taken a lot of actions earlier in the year, and we're seeing the benefits of that hard work coming through in the run right now.
Speaker #5: There .
Speaker #6: Okay . Thanks , Josh . I think on the SG&A , it's pretty straightforward thank you for your for your . And comments there .
Speaker #6: So we are very proud of the actions we have taken and the results we're seeing in the G&A coming down . 4% in constant currency in the fourth quarter .
Speaker #6: And to your point , that's an improvement from the 2% constant currency decline in the third quarter . So , you know , we've done a lot of work .
Jack McGinnis: That is going into our continued trajectory into Q1 as well as we continue to see the benefit of those actions. We've talked previously about the restructuring we've taken, a lot of that in Northern Europe. As we mentioned on the call, and you saw in our results, Northern Europe flipped to a profit in the quarter. So based on the work we've done earlier in the year, we are actually helping to improve, seeing the benefits of those actions, helping to improve the profitability of Northern Europe as we end the year. Those are the main items that are driving that. As Jonas said, we continue to focus on what we can control and in this environment, particularly in the markets that continue to be more stable and in parts of the business that are still recovering.
That is going into our continued trajectory into Q1 as well as we continue to see the benefit of those actions. We've talked previously about the restructuring we've taken, a lot of that in Northern Europe. As we mentioned on the call, and you saw in our results, Northern Europe flipped to a profit in the quarter. So based on the work we've done earlier in the year, we are actually helping to improve, seeing the benefits of those actions, helping to improve the profitability of Northern Europe as we end the year. Those are the main items that are driving that. As Jonas said, we continue to focus on what we can control and in this environment, particularly in the markets that continue to be more stable and in parts of the business that are still recovering.
Speaker #6: We've taken a lot of actions earlier in the year . And we're seeing the benefits of that hard work coming through in the run rate .
Speaker #6: Now . And that is going into our continued trajectory into Q1 , as well . As we continue to see the benefit of those actions .
Speaker #6: And , you know , we've talked previously about the restructuring . We've taken of that in Europe . Northern a lot And as we mentioned on the call , and you saw in our our results , northern Europe flipped to a profit in the quarter .
Speaker #6: So , you know , based on the work we've done earlier in the year , we are actually helping to improve the seeing the benefits of those actions , helping to improve the profitability of Northern Europe .
Speaker #6: As we end the year . So that those are the main items are that driving that . And , you know , as Jonas said , we continue to focus on what we can control .
Speaker #6: in this And environment , particularly in the markets that continue to be more stable . And , you know , parts of the business that are still recovering , we're holding the we're line costs .
Jack McGinnis: We're holding the line on costs, and that's coming through in the run rate. Your question on GP margin, I would say it really, to your point, it has come down over the course of the year, but that's that enterprise element that we've talked about. And as enterprise demand continues to be the biggest part of demand in the current environment, that's averaged in. And to my earlier points, a lot of that has worked its way through, Josh. So you see that on the staffing margin progression from Q3 to Q4 being pretty stable year-over-year. But the bigger part of the story on an overall basis is PERM. PERM is lower, and PERM will come back in the future, but it's at historically low levels of a percentage of total GP for us right now. And that's depressing the GP margin on an overall basis.
We're holding the line on costs, and that's coming through in the run rate. Your question on GP margin, I would say it really, to your point, it has come down over the course of the year, but that's that enterprise element that we've talked about. And as enterprise demand continues to be the biggest part of demand in the current environment, that's averaged in. And to my earlier points, a lot of that has worked its way through, Josh. So you see that on the staffing margin progression from Q3 to Q4 being pretty stable year-over-year. But the bigger part of the story on an overall basis is PERM. PERM is lower, and PERM will come back in the future, but it's at historically low levels of a percentage of total GP for us right now. And that's depressing the GP margin on an overall basis.
Speaker #6: And that's on coming through in the run rate . Your question on GP margin , I would say it really to your point , it has come down over the course of the year .
Speaker #6: But that's that enterprise element that we've talked about . And as enterprise demand continues to be the biggest the current demand in part of environment , that's averaged in and to my earlier point , a lot of that has worked its way through .
Speaker #6: Josh . So you see that on the on on the the staffing margin progression from Q3 to Q4 being pretty stable year over year .
Speaker #6: But the bigger part of the story on an overall basis is perm. Perm is lower, and perm will come back in the future. It's at historically low levels as a percentage of total GP for us right now.
Jack McGinnis: So when perm starts to rebound, we'll see an opportunity for GP margin to increase. And we also will see opportunities for that as the higher margin businesses inflect in the future and start to average in at a higher percentage of the mix as well. So convenience will come back going forward as well. So we have some really good opportunities. As right now, enterprise is the strongest part of demand, and that's been holding very steady. But as the other components start to come back, and they usually follow enterprise, enterprise usually leads, that will be opportunities for us to increase GP margin in the future. Great. Thank you for that color, Jack. I appreciate that. Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Grobler with BNP Paribas. Your line is open. Hi, good morning. Just the one from me around technology.
So when perm starts to rebound, we'll see an opportunity for GP margin to increase. And we also will see opportunities for that as the higher margin businesses inflect in the future and start to average in at a higher percentage of the mix as well. So convenience will come back going forward as well. So we have some really good opportunities. As right now, enterprise is the strongest part of demand, and that's been holding very steady. But as the other components start to come back, and they usually follow enterprise, enterprise usually leads, that will be opportunities for us to increase GP margin in the future.
Speaker #6: And that's that's depressing . The GP margin on an overall basis . So when Perm starts to rebound , we'll see an opportunity for GP margin to increase .
Speaker #6: And we also will see for that opportunities as the higher margin businesses inflect in the start to future and average in at a higher percentage of the mix as well .
Speaker #6: So and convenience will come back going forward as well . So we have some really good opportunities as you know right now , enterprise is the strongest part of demand and that's been holding very steady .
Speaker #6: But as the other components start to come back and they usually follow enterprise , enterprise usually leads . That will be opportunities for us to increase GP margin in the future .
Josh Chan: Great. Thank you for that color, Jack. I appreciate that.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Grobler with BNP Paribas. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Great . Thank you for that color , Jackie . I appreciate that .
Andrew Grobler: Hi, good morning. Just the one from me around technology.
Speaker #4: Thank you . Our next question comes from Andrew Grobler with BNP Paribas . Your line is open .
Jack McGinnis: With Experis still down quite sharply in the US, what are you seeing in those end markets? I noted one of your competitors was talking about improvements in late 2025 and into this year. Is that something that you are also seeing? And if so, what can we expect through the remainder of this year? Thank you very much. Good morning, Andy. Yeah, as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we've seen sequential improvements in Experis, although still experiencing headwinds. We're encouraged by that. I would say that in conversations with our clients, they've been very focused on a number of areas, and specifically within the technology sector. The very strong hiring that occurred during the pandemic caused a hiring bubble, and they've been working their way through that, and they've been focused on projects primarily related to AI.
With Experis still down quite sharply in the US, what are you seeing in those end markets? I noted one of your competitors was talking about improvements in late 2025 and into this year. Is that something that you are also seeing? And if so, what can we expect through the remainder of this year? Thank you very much.
Speaker #7: Hi . Good morning . Just just the one from me around technology with experience still down quite quite sharply in the US . What are you seeing in those end markets .
Speaker #7: I noted one of your was talking competitors about improvement in late 25 and into into this year . Is that something that you are also seeing and if so , what can we expect through the remainder of this year ?
Jonas Prising: Good morning, Andy. Yeah, as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we've seen sequential improvements in Experis, although still experiencing headwinds. We're encouraged by that. I would say that in conversations with our clients, they've been very focused on a number of areas, and specifically within the technology sector. The very strong hiring that occurred during the pandemic caused a hiring bubble, and they've been working their way through that, and they've been focused on projects primarily related to AI.
Speaker #7: Thank you very much .
Speaker #1: Good . Good morning Yeah . Andy . Yeah , we're as we mentioned in our prepared remarks , we've seen sequential improvements in in experience , although still experiencing headwinds .
Speaker #1: We're encouraged by that . I would say that in with our conversations clients , you know , they've been very focused on a number of areas .
Speaker #1: And in specifically , specifically within the technology sector , the very strong hiring that occurred during the pandemic . Caused a hiring bubble .
Jack McGinnis: But in our conversations with our clients, we are hearing that their pent-up project demand is getting closer to being executed. We haven't seen this come through yet, but we're encouraged by those conversations, and we would expect to see that the sequential improvements that we've seen in Experis continue. We would characterize it as stable into Q1. But overall, our clients are telling us that we want to proceed with the other technology investments and the projects that we need to do. And overall, I would say we've seen a very nice evolution around data and infrastructure projects where we were having to shift a bit into those areas.
But in our conversations with our clients, we are hearing that their pent-up project demand is getting closer to being executed. We haven't seen this come through yet, but we're encouraged by those conversations, and we would expect to see that the sequential improvements that we've seen in Experis continue. We would characterize it as stable into Q1. But overall, our clients are telling us that we want to proceed with the other technology investments and the projects that we need to do. And overall, I would say we've seen a very nice evolution around data and infrastructure projects where we were having to shift a bit into those areas.
Speaker #1: And they've been working their way through that , and they've been focused on projects primarily related to AI . But in our conversations with our clients , we are hearing that there pent up demand is getting closer to being executed .
Speaker #1: haven't We seen this come through yet , but we're encouraged by those conversations and we would expect to see that , you know , the sequential improvements that we've seen in experience continue .
Speaker #1: would We characterize it as stable into Q1 , but overall , our clients are telling us that , you know , we're we want to proceed with the other technology investments and the projects that we need to do .
Speaker #1: And overall , I would say , you know , we've seen a very nice evolution around data and infrastructure projects where , you know , we were having to shift a bit into those areas and then with our AI tools that are starting to give us confidence , both consulting with our clients on how they can access AI and use AI in their own work , and how we are providing solutions to our clients that resonate .
Jack McGinnis: And then with our AI tools that are starting to give us confidence, both consulting with our clients on how they can access AI and use AI in their own work, and how we are providing solutions to our clients that resonate. We are faster, efficient, better quality, more cost-effective, which is also differentiating us. So long-term, if you're very good about the trajectory that we have in Experis, acknowledging the headwinds, acknowledging that we still have a lot of work to do, but we think that we'll continue to see the progress going forward. Thank you very much. Thank you. Our next question comes from Tobey Sommer with Truist Securities. Your line is open. Thank you. Wanted to ask you a follow-up question on your comments about the 4.5% EBITDA margin goal longer term and that commitment.
And then with our AI tools that are starting to give us confidence, both consulting with our clients on how they can access AI and use AI in their own work, and how we are providing solutions to our clients that resonate. We are faster, efficient, better quality, more cost-effective, which is also differentiating us. So long-term, if you're very good about the trajectory that we have in Experis, acknowledging the headwinds, acknowledging that we still have a lot of work to do, but we think that we'll continue to see the progress going forward.
Speaker #1: We are faster , efficient , better , better quality , more cost effective , which is also differentiating us . So long term .
Speaker #1: If you're very good about the trajectory that we have in experience , acknowledging the headwinds , acknowledging that we still have a lot of work to do , but think that that we'll , we'll we'll , we'll , we continue to see the progress going forward .
Andrew Grobler: Thank you very much.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Tobey Sommer with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker #7: Thank you very much .
Tobey Sommer: Thank you. Wanted to ask you a follow-up question on your comments about the 4.5% EBITDA margin goal longer term and that commitment.
Speaker #4: Thank you . Our next question comes from Toby Sommer with Truist . Your line is open .
Speaker #8: Thank you . I wanted to ask you a follow up question on your comment about the 4.5% EBITDA margin goal . Longer term and that commitment you .
Jack McGinnis: Could you talk to us in broad strokes, whether it's about top-line gross margins or mix that might be required from the higher margin sources of revenue? How much do those have to rebound? Do they have to go back to prior peaks, or is it sort of more normalized levels to think about that long-term EBITDA margin goal? Thanks. Yeah, Tobey, I'd be happy to talk to that. So I think the way to think about it, and that is definitely part of the equation, right? So if you look at where we're ending 2025, so at 2.1% margin, our previous peak was 4.1%. And if we look at the mix of the businesses, what we've seen with the 5% Manpower growth in the quarter, Manpower certainly has been averaging in as a bigger part of the GP mix.
Could you talk to us in broad strokes, whether it's about top-line gross margins or mix that might be required from the higher margin sources of revenue? How much do those have to rebound? Do they have to go back to prior peaks, or is it sort of more normalized levels to think about that long-term EBITDA margin goal? Thanks.
Speaker #8: Could talk to us in broad strokes , whether it's about top line gross margins or , you know , mix , that might be required from the higher margin sources of revenue , how much do those have to rebound ?
Speaker #8: Do they have to go back to prior prior peaks , or is it sort of more normalized to levels to to think about that , that long term EBITDA margin goal ?
Jack McGinnis: Yeah, Tobey, I'd be happy to talk to that. So I think the way to think about it, and that is definitely part of the equation, right? So if you look at where we're ending 2025, so at 2.1% margin, our previous peak was 4.1%. And if we look at the mix of the businesses, what we've seen with the 5% Manpower growth in the quarter, Manpower certainly has been averaging in as a bigger part of the GP mix.
Speaker #8: Thanks .
Speaker #6: Yeah , Toby , I'd be happy to talk to that . So I think the way about to think it is definitely part of the equation , right .
Speaker #6: So if you look at where we're ending 2025 . So at 2.1% margin , you know our previous peak was 4.1 . And if we look at the mix of the businesses , what we've seen with the 5% manpower growth in the quarter , manpower certainly has been averaging in as a bigger part of the GP mix and as the environment continues to recover , that will start to change .
Jack McGinnis: As the environment continues to recover, that will start to change. We'll start to see Experis and Talent Solutions start to average back in at a higher contribution. That in itself is going to be a positive. We were just talking a little bit about this on the GP margin. That in itself will be a very positive impact on the overall consolidated GP margin. We do expect that to happen. As Jonas said, we don't know the exact timing of that. Those parts, permanent and professional, have been more sluggish. But we are starting to see some signs that on the stabilization, there's opportunities for improvement here as we walk into 2026. We will need that to happen. That will be important as we look at the overall GP margin component as getting back to where we were from a mix perspective.
As the environment continues to recover, that will start to change. We'll start to see Experis and Talent Solutions start to average back in at a higher contribution. That in itself is going to be a positive. We were just talking a little bit about this on the GP margin. That in itself will be a very positive impact on the overall consolidated GP margin. We do expect that to happen. As Jonas said, we don't know the exact timing of that. Those parts, permanent and professional, have been more sluggish. But we are starting to see some signs that on the stabilization, there's opportunities for improvement here as we walk into 2026. We will need that to happen. That will be important as we look at the overall GP margin component as getting back to where we were from a mix perspective.
Speaker #6: We'll start to see experience and talent solutions start to average back in at a higher contribution that in itself is going to be a positive .
Speaker #6: And we were just talking a little bit about this on the GP margin . That in itself will be a very positive impact on the overall consolidated GP margin , and we do expect that to happen .
Speaker #6: As Jonas said , we don't know the timing of exact that . Those parts , you know , permanent and professional , have been more sluggish , but we are starting to see some signs that , you know , on the stabilization , there's opportunities for improvement here as we walk into 2026 .
Speaker #6: So we will need that to happen . That will that will be important as we look at the overall GP margin component as getting back to where we were from , a mix perspective , and that will be quite significant .
Jack McGinnis: That will be quite significant. Then just forget, aside from just the brands, as we mentioned, just even within all the brands, as we see convenience come back, that will be a positive for the GP margin. So that's definitely part of the equation. As I mentioned previously, I think all the work we're doing structurally on costs is a big part of the equation. So as we see EBITDA, as we see that GP margin improvement fall down to the EBITDA line combined with the cost improvement, those two items together will be big drivers for that EBITDA margin progression to the 4.5%. And as I said, hey, if the recovery is stronger and we start to see professional, RPO, and PERM come back stronger, it'll be faster. We'll see more help on the GP line. We'll get more operational leverage.
That will be quite significant. Then just forget, aside from just the brands, as we mentioned, just even within all the brands, as we see convenience come back, that will be a positive for the GP margin. So that's definitely part of the equation. As I mentioned previously, I think all the work we're doing structurally on costs is a big part of the equation. So as we see EBITDA, as we see that GP margin improvement fall down to the EBITDA line combined with the cost improvement, those two items together will be big drivers for that EBITDA margin progression to the 4.5%. And as I said, hey, if the recovery is stronger and we start to see professional, RPO, and PERM come back stronger, it'll be faster. We'll see more help on the GP line. We'll get more operational leverage.
Speaker #6: And then , you know , just forget , you know , aside from just the brands , as we mentioned , just even within all the brands , as we see convenience come back , that will be a positive for the GP margin .
Speaker #6: So that's definitely part of the equation . As I mentioned previously , I think all the work we're doing structurally on cost are a big part of the equation .
Speaker #6: So as we see EBITDA , as we see that GP margin improvement fall down to the EBITDA line , combined with the cost improvement , those two items be big together will drivers for that EBITDA margin progression to the 4.5% .
Speaker #6: And as I said, hey, if the recovery is stronger and we start to see Professional and RPO and Perm come back stronger, it'll be faster.
Jack McGinnis: But even in a modest recovery, as those sectors come back, that will be positive for both GP and EBITDA margin. So it's really just a question of the pace of when those other sectors start to come back. But it is encouraging that we're seeing Manpower now growing at 5% as we end 2025. And so that's a very good initial sign. Thank you, Jack. Thank you. Our next question comes from Harold Antor with Jefferies. Your line is open. Hello, this is Harold Antor on for Stephanie Moore. I guess just on AI, just real quick, I guess, could you provide your long-term views on the impact of blue-collar versus white-collar staffing? And then I guess, are you hearing clients talk about the need to hire people who can use AI, but they focus on just training their current staff to use the technology?
But even in a modest recovery, as those sectors come back, that will be positive for both GP and EBITDA margin. So it's really just a question of the pace of when those other sectors start to come back. But it is encouraging that we're seeing Manpower now growing at 5% as we end 2025. And so that's a very good initial sign.
Speaker #6: We'll see more help on the GP line . We'll get more operational leverage , but even in a modest recovery , as those , you know , as those sectors come back , that will be positive for both GP and EBITDA margin .
Speaker #6: So it's really just a question of the pace of when those other sectors start to come back. But it is encouraging that we're seeing Manpower now growing at 5% as we go into 2025.
Tobey Sommer: Thank you, Jack.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Harold Antor with Jefferies. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: And so, that's a very good initial sign.
Speaker #8: Thank you Jack .
Harold Antor: Hello, this is Harold Antor on for Stephanie Moore. I guess just on AI, just real quick, I guess, could you provide your long-term views on the impact of blue-collar versus white-collar staffing? And then I guess, are you hearing clients talk about the need to hire people who can use AI, but they focus on just training their current staff to use the technology?
Speaker #4: Thank you. Our next question comes from Harold with Anter Jefferies. Your line is open.
Speaker #9: Hello . This is Harold on for Stephanie Moore . I just guess on , just AI real quick , I guess , you know , could you provide your long term views on the impact of blue collar versus white collar staffing and I then guess , are you hearing talk about clients the need to hire people who can use AI , or they focus on just training their current staff to use the technology ?
Jack McGinnis: And I guess the last thing is, do you expect to see long-term pricing to be pressured in the future as clients request to share in the productivity benefits gained from AI? Thank you. All right, Harold, we'll try and cover that. That's four questions in one. So here it comes. So first of all, let's be clear that we think that AI has tremendous opportunity for growth and productivity improvement generally, but specifically to our business. And that's what we are preparing for, and that's what we have been preparing for as we are creating more growth opportunities in terms of addressing how we're setting ourselves up for growth. In the research that Becky has done, we've looked at some of the AI resiliency.
And I guess the last thing is, do you expect to see long-term pricing to be pressured in the future as clients request to share in the productivity benefits gained from AI? Thank you.
Speaker #9: guess the And I last thing is , do you expect to see long term pricing to be pressured in the future as clients request to share in the productivity gained benefits from AI ?
Jonas Prising: All right, Harold, we'll try and cover that. That's four questions in one. So here it comes. So first of all, let's be clear that we think that AI has tremendous opportunity for growth and productivity improvement generally, but specifically to our business. And that's what we are preparing for, and that's what we have been preparing for as we are creating more growth opportunities in terms of addressing how we're setting ourselves up for growth. In the research that Becky has done, we've looked at some of the AI resiliency.
Speaker #9: Thank you .
Speaker #1: All right , Harold , we'll try and That's for cover . questions in one . So here comes . So you know what ?
Speaker #1: What what . First of all , let's let's clear be that we think that AI has tremendous opportunity for growth . And productivity improvement generally .
Speaker #1: But specifically to our business . And that's what we are preparing for . And that's what we been preparing for we as are creating more growth opportunities in terms of addressing setting how we're ourselves up for growth in the research that Becky has done , we've looked at some of , the AI resiliency , and I mentioned this in my prepared remarks that there are a lot of skill sets that we have in manpower that appear to be more resilient , and that we're the seeing in , in the , the other skill sets , white collar , the emergence of some greater use of AI and frankly , mostly enhancing human capabilities as opposed to replacing them .
Jack McGinnis: And I mentioned this in my prepared remarks that there are a lot of skill sets that we have in Manpower that appear to be more resilient, and that we're seeing in the other skill sets, white-collar, the emergence of some greater use of AI and, frankly, mostly enhancing human capabilities as opposed to replacing them. But I think from a usage perspective, Becky, as we look at what we talk to our clients about and how they see it in terms of where they're using AI, I think that could be great color. And then also maybe talk a little bit about the work that we have done on Sophie AI and how that is resonating with our clients as well. Yeah, thanks, Jonas.
And I mentioned this in my prepared remarks that there are a lot of skill sets that we have in Manpower that appear to be more resilient, and that we're seeing in the other skill sets, white-collar, the emergence of some greater use of AI and, frankly, mostly enhancing human capabilities as opposed to replacing them. But I think from a usage perspective, Becky, as we look at what we talk to our clients about and how they see it in terms of where they're using AI, I think that could be great color. And then also maybe talk a little bit about the work that we have done on Sophie AI and how that is resonating with our clients as well.
Speaker #1: But I think, from a usage perspective, Becky, as we look at what we talk to our clients about and how they see it in terms of where they're using AI, I think that could be a great color.
Speaker #1: And then also maybe a bit about the work that we have done on Sophie, and how AI is resonating with our clients as well.
Becky Frankiewicz: Yeah, thanks, Jonas.
Jack McGinnis: First, I would say I've spent a lot of time focused on AI over the last few months trying to understand what it can do today, but maybe more importantly, what it will grow up into tomorrow. It is true that AI will impact most jobs, most skills inside most jobs. The difference, it'll be to varying degrees. I think that was part of your question. What we found is that for blue-collar industrial manufacturing roles, they appear to be more resilient over the horizon where the disruption is happening more in the white-collar software developers and coders, as we've already seen in demand. Keep in mind, though, that in the US, software developers are still the third job in demand in our country. So even though it's impacted, it's still a huge in-demand role. We've also seen impact in call center professionals.
First, I would say I've spent a lot of time focused on AI over the last few months trying to understand what it can do today, but maybe more importantly, what it will grow up into tomorrow. It is true that AI will impact most jobs, most skills inside most jobs. The difference, it'll be to varying degrees. I think that was part of your question. What we found is that for blue-collar industrial manufacturing roles, they appear to be more resilient over the horizon where the disruption is happening more in the white-collar software developers and coders, as we've already seen in demand. Keep in mind, though, that in the US, software developers are still the third job in demand in our country. So even though it's impacted, it's still a huge in-demand role. We've also seen impact in call center professionals.
Speaker #10: Thanks , Jonas . Yeah . First , I would say spent a I've time lot of focused on AI over the last few months trying to understand what it can do today , but maybe more importantly , what it will grow up into tomorrow .
Speaker #10: And it is true that AI will impact most jobs, most skills inside most jobs. The difference will be to varying degrees.
Speaker #10: And I think that was part of your question . What we found is that for blue collar industrial manufacturing roles , they appear to be more resilient over the horizon , where the disruption is happening more in the white collar software developers and coders , as we've already seen in demand .
Speaker #10: You know , keep in mind , though , that in the US , software developers are still the number three job in demand in our country .
Jack McGinnis: The good news for our business is we have limited exposure there. We have an opportunity to actually find opportunity in this changing landscape. A highlight of that is what Jonas mentioned with Experis and us getting into these coding assistants to provide value. That's incremental growth pockets for us as a company. Small, early days, but we think that's an opportunity. In terms of Sophie, Jonas mentioned Sophie. Sophie AI, just to remind everyone, it's our proprietary AI ecosystem. It's built on our PowerSuite foundation. It's why that foundation is so important. It's designed to integrate human expertise, our proprietary data, as well as leading-edge AI models. Probably one specific example that I'm encouraged by is a pilot we're doing around Workforce Insights so that we're providing real-time AI agents available 24/7 to give accurate labor market insights.
The good news for our business is we have limited exposure there. We have an opportunity to actually find opportunity in this changing landscape. A highlight of that is what Jonas mentioned with Experis and us getting into these coding assistants to provide value. That's incremental growth pockets for us as a company. Small, early days, but we think that's an opportunity. In terms of Sophie, Jonas mentioned Sophie. Sophie AI, just to remind everyone, it's our proprietary AI ecosystem. It's built on our PowerSuite foundation. It's why that foundation is so important. It's designed to integrate human expertise, our proprietary data, as well as leading-edge AI models. Probably one specific example that I'm encouraged by is a pilot we're doing around Workforce Insights so that we're providing real-time AI agents available 24/7 to give accurate labor market insights.
Speaker #10: So even though it's impacted , it's still a huge in role . We've also seen impact in call center professionals . And the good news for our business is we have limited exposure there .
Speaker #10: an So we have opportunity to actually find opportunity in this changing a landscape . And highlight of that Jonas is what mentioned with experience and us getting into these coding assistance provide to value .
Speaker #10: And incremental that's growth pocket for us as a company . Small early days we think that's an , but opportunity in terms of Sophie Jonas mentioned , Sophie Sophie .
Speaker #10: AI just to to remind to everyone it's our proprietary AI ecosystem . So it's built on our power suite foundation . It's why that foundation is so important .
Speaker #10: And it's designed to integrate human expertise . Our proprietary data , as well as leading edge AI models and probably one specific example that I'm encouraged by is a pilot .
Speaker #10: We're doing around workforce insights , so that we're providing real time AI agents available 24 over seven to give market accurate labor insights .
Jack McGinnis: It's 10x faster than anything we could do with humans alone. So it is augmenting humans. It's 99% accurate, and it has self-correcting capabilities. So if something is off, it will alert us. And so those are the kind of actions we're taking to find profitable growth opportunities in the changing landscape. And then to your last part of the question, Harold, you asked about we're seeing an impact on this from a pricing perspective and taking a share. And whilst it is early days, most of our enhanced AI capabilities are coming through with higher value offerings and differentiated innovations. So we're actually seeing opportunities for us to deliver higher value work and actually maintaining, if not increasing, our margin opportunities on those offerings. So far, we have not seen this, and the indications are positive to the reverse, but this may change as time goes on. Thank you.
It's 10x faster than anything we could do with humans alone. So it is augmenting humans. It's 99% accurate, and it has self-correcting capabilities. So if something is off, it will alert us. And so those are the kind of actions we're taking to find profitable growth opportunities in the changing landscape.
Speaker #10: It's anything ten x faster than we could do humans alone . with So it is augmented augmenting It's humans . 99% accurate and it has self-correcting capabilities .
Speaker #10: So if something is off it will alert us . And so those are the kind of actions we're taking to find profitable growth opportunities in the changing landscape .
Jonas Prising: And then to your last part of the question, Harold, you asked about we're seeing an impact on this from a pricing perspective and taking a share. And whilst it is early days, most of our enhanced AI capabilities are coming through with higher value offerings and differentiated innovations. So we're actually seeing opportunities for us to deliver higher value work and actually maintaining, if not increasing, our margin opportunities on those offerings. So far, we have not seen this, and the indications are positive to the reverse, but this may change as time goes on.
Speaker #1: your last And then to part of the question , Harold , you know , we're asked an seeing impact about , you this on from a pricing perspective and taking a share .
Speaker #1: you know , whilst it early days , is And , of our most AI coming through capabilities are enhanced value with higher offerings and differentiated innovation .
Speaker #1: So we're seeing actually opportunities for us to deliver higher value work and actually maintaining , if not increasing our margin opportunities on those offerings .
Speaker #1: So so far , not seen we have this . And the indications are positive to the reverse . But this may change as time goes on .
Operator: Thank you.
Jack McGinnis: This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Jonas Prising for closing remarks. Thanks, Michelle, and thanks everyone for joining us this morning for our Q4 earnings call. We look forward to speaking with all of you again on our Q1 earnings call sometime later in April. Until then, stay warm. Greetings from the frozen tundra in Milwaukee. We look forward to speaking with you on our next call. Thanks, everyone. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.
This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Jonas Prising for closing remarks.
Jonas Prising: Thanks, Michelle, and thanks everyone for joining us this morning for our Q4 earnings call. We look forward to speaking with all of you again on our Q1 earnings call sometime later in April. Until then, stay warm. Greetings from the frozen tundra in Milwaukee. We look forward to speaking with you on our next call. Thanks, everyone.
Speaker #4: Thank This you . concludes question and session . the I'd like to answer turn the call back over to closing Jonas Prising for remarks .
Speaker #1: Michelle and Thanks , thanks , for everyone joining us this morning for our Q4 earnings call . We forward to speaking look all of you with again on our Q1 earnings call later in sometime April .
Speaker #1: Until then , stay warm . Greetings from the frozen tundra in Milwaukee . We look forward to speaking with you on our next call .
Operator: Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.
