Speaker #1: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the BASSETT FURNITURE fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Bassett Furniture Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mike Daniel, CFO. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Bassett Furniture Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mike Daniel, CFO. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone, you will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised.
Speaker #1: To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mike Daniel, CFO.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you, DeeDee, for the introduction. Welcome to the BASSETT FURNITURE Industries earnings call for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025, which ended November 29th, 2025.
Mike Daniel: Thank you, Dee Dee, for the introduction. Welcome to the Bassett Furniture Industries Earnings Call for Q4 of fiscal 2025, which ended 29 November 2025. Joining me today is our chairman and CEO, Rob Spilman. We issued our earnings release for Q4 yesterday after the market closed, and it's available on our website. We plan to file our Form 10-K with the Securities and Exchange Commission in the next couple of days. After today's remarks, Rob and I will open up for questions. We will also post a transcript of this call on Bassett's investor relations website following the call. During this call, certain statements we make may be considered forward-looking statements and inherently involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from management's present view.
Michael Daniel: Thank you, Dee Dee, for the introduction. Welcome to the Bassett Furniture Industries Earnings Call for Q4 of fiscal 2025, which ended 29 November 2025. Joining me today is our chairman and CEO, Rob Spilman. We issued our earnings release for Q4 yesterday after the market closed, and it's available on our website. We plan to file our Form 10-K with the Securities and Exchange Commission in the next couple of days. After today's remarks, Rob and I will open up for questions. We will also post a transcript of this call on Bassett's investor relations website following the call. During this call, certain statements we make may be considered forward-looking statements and inherently involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from management's present view.
Speaker #2: Joining me today is our chairman and CEO, Rob release for the fourth quarter yesterday after the market closed, and it's available on our website.
Speaker #2: We plan Spilman. We issued our earnings a securities and exchange commission in the next to file our Form 10-K with couple of days. After today's remarks, Rob and I will open up for questions.
Speaker #2: We will also post a transcript of this call on Bassett's investor relations website following the call. During this call, certain statements we make may be considered forward-looking statements and inherently involve risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #2: That could cause actual results to differ materially from management's present view. These statements are made pursuant to the safe harbor provision of the private securities litigation reform act of 1995.
Mike Daniel: These statements are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The company cannot guarantee the accuracy of any forecast or estimate, nor does it undertake any obligation to update such forward-looking statements. Other filings with the SEC describing risks related to our business are available on our corporate website under the Investors tab. Now I'll turn things over to Rob. Rob?
Michael Daniel: These statements are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The company cannot guarantee the accuracy of any forecast or estimate, nor does it undertake any obligation to update such forward-looking statements. Other filings with the SEC describing risks related to our business are available on our corporate website under the Investors tab. Now I'll turn things over to Rob. Rob?
Speaker #2: The company cannot guarantee the accuracy of any forecast or estimate, nor does it undertake any obligation to update such forward-looking statements. Other filings with the SEC describing risks related to our business are website under the interest available on our corporate tab.
Speaker #2: Now, I'll turn things over to Rob. Rob? Good
Speaker #3: Okay.
Rob Spilman: Okay.
Robert H. Spilman: Okay.
Mike Daniel: Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Mike. The reality is that the market has not changed much from what we saw throughout the first three quarters of fiscal 2025. Housing sales is very slow, and this, of course, impacts our business. So we're pleased that, given this environment and with our fourth quarter closed on 29 November 2025, the day after Black Friday, we increased sales and profits. Last year, at this time, we noted that our 2024 restructuring plan was mostly complete. But I want to point out that the restructuring mindset and the focus of running a leaner, smarter business is as much on the front burner today as it was then. We're still at it, taking costs out, driving operating efficiencies, integrating technology, emphasizing product newness, innovation, and design, along with adapting to a changing marketplace.
Robert H. Spilman: Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Mike. The reality is that the market has not changed much from what we saw throughout the first three quarters of fiscal 2025. Housing sales is very slow, and this, of course, impacts our business. So we're pleased that, given this environment and with our fourth quarter closed on 29 November 2025, the day after Black Friday, we increased sales and profits. Last year, at this time, we noted that our 2024 restructuring plan was mostly complete. But I want to point out that the restructuring mindset and the focus of running a leaner, smarter business is as much on the front burner today as it was then. We're still at it, taking costs out, driving operating efficiencies, integrating technology, emphasizing product newness, innovation, and design, along with adapting to a changing marketplace.
Speaker #2: morning, everyone. Thank you, Mike.
Speaker #3: The reality is that the market is not changed much. From what we saw throughout the first three quarters of fiscal 2025. Housing sales very slow, and this, of course, impacts our business.
Speaker #3: So we're pleased that, given this environment and with our fourth quarter closed on November 29th, the day after Black Friday, we increased sales and profits.
Speaker #3: Last year at this time, we noted that our 2024 restructuring plan was mostly complete. But I want to point out that the restructuring mindset and the focus of running a leaner smarter business is as much on the front burner today as still at it, taking costs out, driving operating efficiencies, integrating technology, emphasizing product newness, innovation, and design, along with adapting to a changing marketplace.
Mike Daniel: We managed through the tariffs, and Bassett's flexible sourcing model is essential to our company's ability to be resilient. We are hopeful that the tariff situation is stabilized, but we will react again if that changes. Bassett finished the year with a solid Q4, increasing consolidated revenue 5.1%. Excluding the impact of last year's Noa Home closure, consolidated revenues were up 6.4%. Wholesale sales were up 8.3%. Retail sales were strong as well, increasing 7.9%. Two years ago, we invested in a fresh approach to Bassett case goods, and those investments have begun to pay off for us. Our wood business needed to be reinvented, and we're pleased with the progress we've made. Sales of these offerings were up over 50% in the quarter. The Copenhagen line has been in retail locations for a year now and is a top seller across all product categories.
Robert H. Spilman: We managed through the tariffs, and Bassett's flexible sourcing model is essential to our company's ability to be resilient. We are hopeful that the tariff situation is stabilized, but we will react again if that changes. Bassett finished the year with a solid Q4, increasing consolidated revenue 5.1%. Excluding the impact of last year's Noa Home closure, consolidated revenues were up 6.4%. Wholesale sales were up 8.3%. Retail sales were strong as well, increasing 7.9%. Two years ago, we invested in a fresh approach to Bassett case goods, and those investments have begun to pay off for us. Our wood business needed to be reinvented, and we're pleased with the progress we've made. Sales of these offerings were up over 50% in the quarter. The Copenhagen line has been in retail locations for a year now and is a top seller across all product categories.
Speaker #3: the tariffs, and BASSETT's We managed through flexible sourcing model is central to our company's ability to be resilient. We are hopeful that the tariff situation is stabilized but we will changes.
Speaker #3: react again if that BASSETT finished the year with a solid fourth quarter increasing consolidated revenue 5.1% and excluding the impact of last year's NOAA home closure, consolidated 6.4%.
Speaker #3: Wholesale sales were up revenues were up 8.3%, retail sales were strong as well, increasing 7.9%. Two years ago, we invested in a fresh approach to BASSETT case goods, and those investments have begun to pay off for us.
Speaker #3: Our wood business needed to be reinvented, and we're pleased with the progress we've made. Sales of these offerings were up over 50% in the quarter.
Speaker #3: retail locations for a year The Copenhagen line has been now and is a top seller across all product categories. Our homework line of desk and related office products has successfully repositioned us in the home office category.
Mike Daniel: Our HomeWork line of desk and related office products has successfully repositioned us in the home office category. On the domestic front, our U.S.-made HideAway Solid Dining program, solid wood dining, is a good start. Upholstery sales of true custom leather that we lost in 2023 continues to exceed expectations, and sales of that program were up 19% in the quarter. We are also selling better fabrics, and we have consolidated our grading system to simplify the special order transaction and to offer more obvious values on better fabrics. The reception to our new styles at the High Point Market indicates that Club Level motion is poised for further growth in 2026. We are also excited about the innovation behind our Z4 Sleeper program that makes for easy opening with this European hardware.
Robert H. Spilman: Our HomeWork line of desk and related office products has successfully repositioned us in the home office category. On the domestic front, our U.S.-made HideAway Solid Dining program, solid wood dining, is a good start. Upholstery sales of true custom leather that we lost in 2023 continues to exceed expectations, and sales of that program were up 19% in the quarter. We are also selling better fabrics, and we have consolidated our grading system to simplify the special order transaction and to offer more obvious values on better fabrics. The reception to our new styles at the High Point Market indicates that Club Level motion is poised for further growth in 2026. We are also excited about the innovation behind our Z4 Sleeper program that makes for easy opening with this European hardware.
Speaker #3: fabrics. And we have consolidated our grading system to simplify the special order transaction and to offer more obvious values on better fabrics. The reception to our new styles at the High Point market indicates that club-level motion is poised for further growth in 2026.
Speaker #3: And we are also behind our Z4 sleeper program that makes for easy opening with this European hardware. Our BASSETT outdoor line is being absorbed into the blade venture outdoor collection.
Mike Daniel: Our Bassett Outdoor line is being absorbed into the Lane Venture Outdoor collection, which we have owned for eight years, resulting in the Lane Venture brand being offered in the Bassett home furnishing stores starting this month. Lane Venture has very strong brand recognition in outdoor. This will be a more efficient operating model for us with fewer assets to support and will generate better inventory turns. We tweaked our marketing activities in the quarter against supplementing digital with print and spot TV. Provided assets to our licensed stores, and many took the opportunity to run local TV ads to drive traffic in their markets. We were encouraged by the ROI we saw on our direct mail pieces in Q3 and Q4, and this is important to our strategy for 2026. We're moving from one catalog to two this year to supplement our digital plans.
Robert H. Spilman: Our Bassett Outdoor line is being absorbed into the Lane Venture Outdoor collection, which we have owned for eight years, resulting in the Lane Venture brand being offered in the Bassett home furnishing stores starting this month. Lane Venture has very strong brand recognition in outdoor. This will be a more efficient operating model for us with fewer assets to support and will generate better inventory turns. We tweaked our marketing activities in the quarter against supplementing digital with print and spot TV. Provided assets to our licensed stores, and many took the opportunity to run local TV ads to drive traffic in their markets. We were encouraged by the ROI we saw on our direct mail pieces in Q3 and Q4, and this is important to our strategy for 2026. We're moving from one catalog to two this year to supplement our digital plans.
Speaker #3: Which we have owned for eight years. Resulting in the lane venture brand being offered in the BASSETT home furnishing stores starting this month. Lane venture has very strong brand recognition in outdoor.
Speaker #3: This will be a more efficient operating model for us with fewer assets to and will generate better inventory support turns. We tweaked our marketing activities in the quarter again, supplementing digital with print and spot TV.
Speaker #3: Provide assets to our licensed stores in many took the opportunity to run local TV ads to drive traffic in their markets. We were encouraged by the ROI we saw on our direct mail pieces in the third and fourth quarter and this is important to our strategy for 2026.
Speaker #3: We're moving from one catalog to two this year to supplement our digital plans. During the past year, our teams worked hard on enhancing the consumer-facing e-commerce site and e-commerce sales were up 14% in the quarter.
Mike Daniel: During the past year, our teams worked hard on enhancing the consumer-facing e-commerce site, and e-commerce sales were up 14% in the quarter. Conversion rates continued to rise double digits. For the full year, e-commerce sales were up 27%. We will continue to add stores in 2026, with Cincinnati opening in Q2 and Orlando opening in Q3. Both are new markets for us. We will also relocate our existing Long Island store in Westbury to Melville, New York, in September. Things are certainly changing in the open market furniture world outside of the Bassett store network. The retirement of independent furniture store operators is a nationwide generational trend that has picked up steam in the post-pandemic world. We have several strategies in place to adapt and continue to grow our wholesale channels. We are adding new elements to both of our dedicated distribution concepts.
Robert H. Spilman: During the past year, our teams worked hard on enhancing the consumer-facing e-commerce site, and e-commerce sales were up 14% in the quarter. Conversion rates continued to rise double digits. For the full year, e-commerce sales were up 27%. We will continue to add stores in 2026, with Cincinnati opening in Q2 and Orlando opening in Q3. Both are new markets for us. We will also relocate our existing Long Island store in Westbury to Melville, New York, in September. Things are certainly changing in the open market furniture world outside of the Bassett store network. The retirement of independent furniture store operators is a nationwide generational trend that has picked up steam in the post-pandemic world. We have several strategies in place to adapt and continue to grow our wholesale channels. We are adding new elements to both of our dedicated distribution concepts.
Speaker #3: rates continued to rise double Conversion digits. For the full year, e-commerce sales were up 27%. We will continue to add stores in 2026 with Cincinnati opening in the second quarter and Orlando opening in the third quarter.
Speaker #3: Both are new markets for us. We will also locate our relocate our existing Long Island store in Westbury to Melville, New York, in September.
Speaker #3: Things are certainly changing in the open market furniture world outside of the BASSETT store network. The retirement of independent furniture store operators is a nationwide generational trend that has picked up steam in the post-pandemic world.
Speaker #3: We have several strategies in place to adapt and continue to grow our wholesale channels. We are adding new elements to both of our dedicated distribution concepts.
Speaker #3: The three to 5,000 square foot BASSETT design center is our largest channel outside of 5% in the BDCs in BASSETT custom studios, the 1,000 square foot retail.
Mike Daniel: The 3,000- to 5,000-sq ft Bassett Design Center is our largest channel outside of retail. Sales were up 5% in the BDCs in the quarter. Our Bassett Custom Studio, the 1,000-sq ft footprint specializing in true custom upholstery, were up 21% in the quarter. We now have 57 Bassett Custom Studio partners. Another important element of our strategy is accelerating our pursuit of America's robust interior design community. We have implemented new programs to address the needs of the design trade, and this is a priority for 2026. In a similar vein, we have launched a new division, Bassett Hospitality, to grow sales we've been building in the boutique hotel, country club, and senior living channels. Under experienced leadership, we're building a portfolio of table stakes assets to address this business properly. Bassett closed the fiscal year with a strong balance sheet.
Robert H. Spilman: The 3,000- to 5,000-sq ft Bassett Design Center is our largest channel outside of retail. Sales were up 5% in the BDCs in the quarter. Our Bassett Custom Studio, the 1,000-sq ft footprint specializing in true custom upholstery, were up 21% in the quarter. We now have 57 Bassett Custom Studio partners. Another important element of our strategy is accelerating our pursuit of America's robust interior design community. We have implemented new programs to address the needs of the design trade, and this is a priority for 2026. In a similar vein, we have launched a new division, Bassett Hospitality, to grow sales we've been building in the boutique hotel, country club, and senior living channels. Under experienced leadership, we're building a portfolio of table stakes assets to address this business properly. Bassett closed the fiscal year with a strong balance sheet.
Speaker #3: footprint, specializing in true custom upholstery, were up 21% in the quarter. We now have Sales were up 57 BASSETT custom studio partners. Another important element of our strategy is accelerating our the quarter. pursuit of America's community.
Speaker #3: implemented new programs to address robust interior design the needs of the design trade and this is a priority for 2026. In a similar vein, we have launched a new division, BASSETT hospitality, to grow sales we've been building in the boutique club and senior living channels.
Speaker #3: leadership, we're building a Under experienced stakes assets to portfolio of table address this business properly. BASSETT closed the fiscal year with a strong balance sheet.
Speaker #3: Mike will get into the financial details on the quarter. Our fiscal 2026 is well underway. We believe the tariff situation stabilized and we've adjusted prices to account for the impact.
Mike Daniel: Mike will get into the financial details on the quarter. Our fiscal 2026 is well underway. We believe the tariff situation stabilized, and we've adjusted prices to account for the impact. We will reassess if that changes. Industry data points to ongoing challenges with housing and mortgage rates, so we must control what we can, molding a leaner organization and business model to position us well in this environment. Our team is smaller. We reduced headcount by 11% last year, and we recently reduced headcount again by 4%. We made meaningful progress in 2025 on positioning Bassett to weather a marketplace where discretionary demand is moderated. Innovation, change, and operating discipline remain critical to our future. After 124 years of history, our future is dependent on these changes, flexibility, and new ideas. Now I'll turn things over to Mike.
Robert H. Spilman: Mike will get into the financial details on the quarter. Our fiscal 2026 is well underway. We believe the tariff situation stabilized, and we've adjusted prices to account for the impact. We will reassess if that changes. Industry data points to ongoing challenges with housing and mortgage rates, so we must control what we can, molding a leaner organization and business model to position us well in this environment. Our team is smaller. We reduced headcount by 11% last year, and we recently reduced headcount again by 4%. We made meaningful progress in 2025 on positioning Bassett to weather a marketplace where discretionary demand is moderated. Innovation, change, and operating discipline remain critical to our future. After 124 years of history, our future is dependent on these changes, flexibility, and new ideas. Now I'll turn things over to Mike.
Speaker #3: We will reassess if that changes. Industry data points to ongoing challenges with housing and mortgage rates. So we must control what we can: molding a leaner organization and business model to position us well in this environment.
Speaker #3: Our team is smaller; we reduce headcount by 11% recently reduced headcount again by 4%. We made meaningful progress in 2025 on positioning BASSETT to weather a demand is moderated.
Speaker #3: Innovation, change, and operating marketplace where discretionary discipline remain critical to our future. After 124 years of history, our future is dependent on these changes, flexibility, and new ideas.
Speaker #3: Now I'll turn things
Speaker #3: over to Mike.
Speaker #2: Thank you,
Mike Daniel: Thank you, Rob. In my commentary, the comparisons I'll discuss will be the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024, unless otherwise noted. As Rob previously noted, total consolidated revenue increased $4.4 million or 5.1%. Excluding sales from Noa Home, which closed late in 2024, consolidated revenues increased 6.4%. Gross margin at 56.3% represented a 30 basis point decrease when compared to the prior year, primarily driven by lower retail margins, partially offset by higher margins in the wholesale business. Selling, general, and administrative expenses were 53.2% of sales, 60 basis points lower than the prior year, reflecting benefits from last year's restructuring program, ongoing cost optimization activities, and greater leverage of fixed costs due to higher sales levels. Operating income was $2.3 million or 2.6% of sales as compared to income of $900,000 in the prior year.
Michael Daniel: Thank you, Rob. In my commentary, the comparisons I'll discuss will be the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024, unless otherwise noted. As Rob previously noted, total consolidated revenue increased $4.4 million or 5.1%. Excluding sales from Noa Home, which closed late in 2024, consolidated revenues increased 6.4%. Gross margin at 56.3% represented a 30 basis point decrease when compared to the prior year, primarily driven by lower retail margins, partially offset by higher margins in the wholesale business. Selling, general, and administrative expenses were 53.2% of sales, 60 basis points lower than the prior year, reflecting benefits from last year's restructuring program, ongoing cost optimization activities, and greater leverage of fixed costs due to higher sales levels. Operating income was $2.3 million or 2.6% of sales as compared to income of $900,000 in the prior year.
Speaker #2: Rob, in my commentary, the comparisons I'll discuss will be the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024, unless, as Rob previously noted, otherwise noted.
Speaker #2: total consolidated revenue 5.1%. Excluding sales from Noah Home, which increased 4.4 million dollars or closed late in 2024, consolidated revenues include increased 6.4%. Gross margin at 56.3% represented a 30 basis point decrease when compared to the prior year, primarily driven by lower retail margins partially offset by higher margins in the wholesale business.
Speaker #2: Selling general and administrative expenses were 53.2% of sales, 60 basis points lower than the prior year, reflecting benefits from last year's restructuring program, ongoing cost optimization activities, and greater leverage of fixed costs due to higher sales levels.
Speaker #2: Operating income was 2.3 million dollars or 2.6% of sales. As compared to income of 900,000 dollars in the prior year, excluding impairments in other restructuring-related costs, operating income would have been 2.8 million dollars or 3.2% of sales in 2025 compared to 2.3 million dollars or 2.8% of sales in 2024.
Mike Daniel: Excluding impairments and other restructuring-related costs, operating income would have been $2.8 million or 3.2% of sales in 2025 compared to $2.3 million or 2.8% of sales in 2024. Diluted earnings per share were $0.18 in 2025 versus $0.38 in the prior year quarter. The prior year's earnings included a $2.6 million tax benefit associated with our cumulative investment in Noa Home. Excluding that benefit, diluted earnings per share for 2024 would have been $0.08. Again, as Rob pointed out, net sales for the wholesale business increased $4.4 million or 8.3% over the prior year, consisting of a 14% increase in shipments to our retail store network, a 3.4% increase in shipments to the open market, partially offset by a 13% decrease in shipments for Lane Venture.
Michael Daniel: Excluding impairments and other restructuring-related costs, operating income would have been $2.8 million or 3.2% of sales in 2025 compared to $2.3 million or 2.8% of sales in 2024. Diluted earnings per share were $0.18 in 2025 versus $0.38 in the prior year quarter. The prior year's earnings included a $2.6 million tax benefit associated with our cumulative investment in Noa Home. Excluding that benefit, diluted earnings per share for 2024 would have been $0.08. Again, as Rob pointed out, net sales for the wholesale business increased $4.4 million or 8.3% over the prior year, consisting of a 14% increase in shipments to our retail store network, a 3.4% increase in shipments to the open market, partially offset by a 13% decrease in shipments for Lane Venture.
Speaker #2: Diluted earnings per share were 18 cents in prior quarter. Prior year 2025 versus 38 cents in the quarter, the prior year's earnings included a 2.6 million dollar tax benefit associated with our cumulative investment in Noah Home.
Speaker #2: Excluding that benefit, diluted earnings per share for 2024 would have been cents. Again, as Rob 8 pointed out, net sales for the wholesale business increased 4.4 million dollars or 8.3% over the prior year.
Speaker #2: Consisting of a 14% increase in shipments to our retail store network, a 3.4% increase in shipments to the open market, partially offset by a 13% decrease in shipments for lane venture.
Speaker #2: The decrease for lane venture was primarily due to timing of receipt of imported goods to fulfill orders as the order rate for the quarter actually increased by 34%.
Mike Daniel: The decrease for Lane Venture was primarily due to timing of receipt of imported goods to fulfill orders, as the order rate for the quarter actually increased by 34%. Gross margin increased 60 basis points over the prior year. This increase was driven by improved pricing strategies in both the upholstery and wood operations, coupled with greater leverage of fixed costs from higher sales levels, partially offset by an unfavorable warranty and returns adjustment. SG&A expenses as a percent of sales decreased 50 basis points, primarily due to greater leverage of fixed costs from higher sales levels. Wholesale backlog was $19.5 million as compared to $21.8 million on 30 November 2024. Now moving on to our retail store operations. Net sales increased $4.2 million or 7.9%.
Michael Daniel: The decrease for Lane Venture was primarily due to timing of receipt of imported goods to fulfill orders, as the order rate for the quarter actually increased by 34%. Gross margin increased 60 basis points over the prior year. This increase was driven by improved pricing strategies in both the upholstery and wood operations, coupled with greater leverage of fixed costs from higher sales levels, partially offset by an unfavorable warranty and returns adjustment. SG&A expenses as a percent of sales decreased 50 basis points, primarily due to greater leverage of fixed costs from higher sales levels. Wholesale backlog was $19.5 million as compared to $21.8 million on 30 November 2024. Now moving on to our retail store operations. Net sales increased $4.2 million or 7.9%.
Speaker #2: Gross margin increased 60 basis points over the prior year. This increase was driven by improved pricing strategies in operations, coupled with greater leverage of fixed costs from higher sales warranty and returns adjustment.
Speaker #2: Gross margin increased 60 basis points over the prior year. This increase was driven by improved pricing strategies in operations, coupled with greater leverage of fixed costs from higher sales at both the upholstery and wood levels, partially offset by an unfavorable SG&A of 50 basis points, primarily due to greater leverage of fixed costs from higher sales levels.
Speaker #2: Wholesale backlog was 19.5 million dollars as compared to 21.8 million dollars on November 30th, 2024. Now moving on to our retail store million dollars or operations, net sales increased 4.2 To support sales and 7.9%.
Mike Daniel: To support sales and to wait until there was greater clarity on tariffs, our retail prices were not adjusted for the cost increases until 1 January 2026. Primarily due to this, gross margin declined 150 basis points. SG&A expenses as a percent of sales decreased 180 basis points due to several factors: efficiency gains in warehouse and delivery operations, overall lower operating costs due to benefits from the cost reductions implemented during the restructuring, and greater leverage of fixed costs due to higher sales levels. Retail backlog was $34.4 million compared to $37.1 million at 30 November 2024. Our liquidity position remained solid with $59.2 million of cash in short-term investments and no debt. We generated $7.8 million in operating cash flow during the quarter, and our cash and short-term investments increased $4.6 million.
Michael Daniel: To support sales and to wait until there was greater clarity on tariffs, our retail prices were not adjusted for the cost increases until 1 January 2026. Primarily due to this, gross margin declined 150 basis points. SG&A expenses as a percent of sales decreased 180 basis points due to several factors: efficiency gains in warehouse and delivery operations, overall lower operating costs due to benefits from the cost reductions implemented during the restructuring, and greater leverage of fixed costs due to higher sales levels. Retail backlog was $34.4 million compared to $37.1 million at 30 November 2024. Our liquidity position remained solid with $59.2 million of cash in short-term investments and no debt. We generated $7.8 million in operating cash flow during the quarter, and our cash and short-term investments increased $4.6 million.
Speaker #2: to wait until there was greater clarity on tariffs, our retail prices were not adjusted for the cost increases until January 1, 2026. Primarily due to this gross margin declined, 150 basis points.
Speaker #2: SG&A expenses as a percent of sales decreased 100 and 80 basis points due to several factors. Efficiency gains in warehouse and delivery operations, overall lower operating costs due to benefits from the cost reductions implemented during the restructuring and greater leverage of fixed costs due to higher sales levels.
Speaker #2: Retail backlog was 34.4 million dollars compared to 37.1 million dollars as November 30th, 2024. Our liquidity position 59.2 million of cash and short-term investments and no debt.
Speaker #2: We generated 7.8 million dollars in operating cash remained solid, with cash and short-term investments flow during the quarter, and our increased 4.6 million dollars.
Speaker #2: For the year, we generated 13.5 million dollars in operating cash flow, and 2 million dollars of free cash flow demonstrating our ability to manage cash during a tough business cycle for home furnishings.
Mike Daniel: For the year, we generated $13.5 million in operating cash flow and $2 million of free cash flow, demonstrating our ability to manage cash during a tough business cycle for home furnishings. As Rob mentioned, we plan to open three new stores during the year, which will result in additional capital expenditures. We're forecasting $8 to $12 million of CapEx for 2026, considerably more than the $4.5 million spent this year. We continue to pay our quarterly dividend and repurchase shares opportunistically. We spent $1.7 million on dividends and $600,000 on share buybacks in the fourth quarter. We remain committed to delivering shareholder returns through dividends and, when appropriate, share buybacks. Our board recently approved a regular 20-cent dividend to be paid 27 February 2025. Now we'll open up the line for questions. Dee Dee, please provide instructions to do so.
Michael Daniel: For the year, we generated $13.5 million in operating cash flow and $2 million of free cash flow, demonstrating our ability to manage cash during a tough business cycle for home furnishings. As Rob mentioned, we plan to open three new stores during the year, which will result in additional capital expenditures. We're forecasting $8 to $12 million of CapEx for 2026, considerably more than the $4.5 million spent this year. We continue to pay our quarterly dividend and repurchase shares opportunistically. We spent $1.7 million on dividends and $600,000 on share buybacks in the fourth quarter. We remain committed to delivering shareholder returns through dividends and, when appropriate, share buybacks. Our board recently approved a regular 20-cent dividend to be paid 27 February 2025. Now we'll open up the line for questions. Dee Dee, please provide instructions to do so.
Speaker #2: As Rob mentioned, we plan to open three new stores during the year, which will result in additional capital expenditures. We're forecasting 8 to 12 million dollars of CapEx for than the 4.5 million dollars 2026.
Speaker #2: spent this year. We continue to pay our quarterly dividend and repurchase shares opportunistically. We spent 1.7 million dollars on dividends and 600,000 dollars on share buybacks in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: We remain committed to delivering shareholder returns through dividends and, when appropriate, share recently approved a regular buybacks. And our board 20-cent dividend to be paid February 27th.
Speaker #2: Now we'll open up the line for questions. CD, please provide instructions to do Considerably more so.
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Speaker #2: Good morning. Sedoti, your line is open. Thank you, everyone, and thanks for taking the questions. It's certainly great to see your results, even with all this volatility. My first question is about maintaining a very strong balance sheet. As far as Q4, can you comment on pricing versus unit volumes?
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking the questions. Certainly great to see you guys maintaining a very strong balance sheet, even with all this volatility. So I guess my first question, just as far as Q4, can you comment on pricing versus unit volumes, how you saw that in the quarter?
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking the questions. Certainly great to see you guys maintaining a very strong balance sheet, even with all this volatility. So I guess my first question, just as far as Q4, can you comment on pricing versus unit volumes, how you saw that in the quarter?
Speaker #2: How you saw that in the quarter?
Speaker #3: Are you referring to the tariffs? Or.
Rob Spilman: Are you referring to the tariffs, Anthony, or?
Robert H. Spilman: Are you referring to the tariffs, Anthony, or?
Speaker #2: Yeah. Yeah, mostly just tariffs. I mean, obviously, you know, with all the changes that we've seen, you guys did take some pricing actions. You know, just wondering if you guys can comment on that.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Yeah. Yeah. Mostly just tariffs. I mean, obviously, with all the changes that we've seen, you guys did take some pricing actions. Just wondering if you guys can comment on that. It doesn't have to be overly specific, but just kind of directionally kind of where you saw pricing versus unit volumes.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Yeah. Yeah. Mostly just tariffs. I mean, obviously, with all the changes that we've seen, you guys did take some pricing actions. Just wondering if you guys can comment on that. It doesn't have to be overly specific, but just kind of directionally kind of where you saw pricing versus unit volumes.
Speaker #2: You know, it doesn't have to be overly specific, but just kind of directionally kind of where you saw pricing versus unit volumes.
Speaker #3: Back in the spring, you know, when they had liberation day, we increased prices to initially on that and passed that through retail. Then we had some subsequent tariffs, and these things have jumped around a lot.
Rob Spilman: Back in the spring, when they had Liberation Day, we increased prices initially on that and passed that through retail. Then we had some subsequent tariffs, and these things have jumped around a lot. But as Mike alluded to in his comments, we made the decision to hold our retail prices in the fourth quarter, which did impact our retail gross margins. We basically had a surcharge on top of the regular wholesale price. We had a tariff surcharge. Then recently, here a couple of weeks ago, we rolled the surcharge into a wholesale price and then adjusted that at retail. So basically, we ate the surcharge in our retail division during the quarter, and that's now been run through. Hopefully, this thing will settle down, and we know what we're dealing with.
Robert H. Spilman: Back in the spring, when they had Liberation Day, we increased prices initially on that and passed that through retail. Then we had some subsequent tariffs, and these things have jumped around a lot. But as Mike alluded to in his comments, we made the decision to hold our retail prices in the fourth quarter, which did impact our retail gross margins. We basically had a surcharge on top of the regular wholesale price. We had a tariff surcharge. Then recently, here a couple of weeks ago, we rolled the surcharge into a wholesale price and then adjusted that at retail. So basically, we ate the surcharge in our retail division during the quarter, and that's now been run through. Hopefully, this thing will settle down, and we know what we're dealing with.
Speaker #3: But as Mike alluded to in his comments, we made the decision to the fourth quarter which did impact our retail gross margins. And we basically had a ge on top of wholesale regular wholesale price.
Speaker #3: We had a tariff surcharge and in recently here a couple of weeks ago, we rolled the surcharge the surcharge into a wholesale price and then adjusted that at retail.
Speaker #3: So basically, we ate the surcharge and our retail division during the quarter. And that's now been run through. Hopefully, this thing will settle down and we'll know what we're dealing with.
Speaker #3: Although, of course, as you may have seen, India's tariffs for the clear are coming down. So, and we do have some nice So it's been tough to manage, and it's been tough to communicate exactly where we are to our customers.
Rob Spilman: Although, of course, as you may have seen, India's tariffs for the Glee are coming down, and we do have some nice products from India. So it's been tough to manage, and it's been tough to communicate exactly where we are to our customers through all this. But hopefully, we're going to see some kind of stabilization. And Anthony, I think when you get down to price versus number of pieces, we don't get too caught up in the number of pieces. We're really tracking the top-line cash. But I would say on the wholesale side, when you say we're up 4% in sales dollars no, we're up 8% in sales dollars. I think the price increase was not 8% given all. So I would say from a unit standpoint, we probably were up a tad.
Robert H. Spilman: Although, of course, as you may have seen, India's tariffs for the Glee are coming down, and we do have some nice products from India. So it's been tough to manage, and it's been tough to communicate exactly where we are to our customers through all this. But hopefully, we're going to see some kind of stabilization. And Anthony, I think when you get down to price versus number of pieces, we don't get too caught up in the number of pieces. We're really tracking the top-line cash. But I would say on the wholesale side, when you say we're up 4% in sales dollars no, we're up 8% in sales dollars. I think the price increase was not 8% given all. So I would say from a unit standpoint, we probably were up a tad.
Speaker #3: Through all this, but hopefully we're going to see some kind of stabilization.
Speaker #4: think when you get down to, you know, price versus number of pieces, we don't get too caught up in the number of pieces. We're really tracking the, you know, the top line cash, but I would say on the wholesale side, when you say we're up 4% in sales dollars, no, we're dollars.
Speaker #4: I think the price up 8% in sales increase was not 8%. Given all, so I would say from a unit standpoint, we're probably up a tad.
Speaker #2: Okay. That's great to, okay. Thanks for that color. And then can you guys comment on the written retail sales that you saw in the quarter?
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Okay. That's great. Okay. Thanks for that caller. Then can you guys comment on the within retail sales that you saw in the quarter, any sort of comments on demand trends so far in early fiscal 2026?
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Okay. That's great. Okay. Thanks for that caller. Then can you guys comment on the within retail sales that you saw in the quarter, any sort of comments on demand trends so far in early fiscal 2026?
Speaker #2: Any sort of comments on demand trends so far early in early fiscal?
Speaker #2: 26? Well,
Rob Spilman: Well, we started off the quarter strong with written sales. They did temper somewhat as the quarter went on. We did have another strong Black Friday. But at the end of the day, we had a nice written order. And this year, we have started off well; we started off the first 7 weeks because our quarter is 5 weeks in December and then, of course, the first 2 weeks of January. So that first 7 weeks were solid. We were pleased with that. I must say, however, that these last 2 weeks with this weather situation has been a real kick in the shins, so to speak. We had to close 40 stores the ice weekend, and we closed several last weekend with the snow weekend. So this has been highly disruptive to everything. And so here we are in February, and President's Day loomed.
Robert H. Spilman: Well, we started off the quarter strong with written sales. They did temper somewhat as the quarter went on. We did have another strong Black Friday. But at the end of the day, we had a nice written order. And this year, we have started off well; we started off the first 7 weeks because our quarter is 5 weeks in December and then, of course, the first 2 weeks of January. So that first 7 weeks were solid. We were pleased with that. I must say, however, that these last 2 weeks with this weather situation has been a real kick in the shins, so to speak. We had to close 40 stores the ice weekend, and we closed several last weekend with the snow weekend. So this has been highly disruptive to everything. And so here we are in February, and President's Day loomed.
Speaker #3: we started off the quarter strong with written sales. They did temper somewhat as the quarter went on. We did have another strong Black Friday, but at the end of the day, we had a nice written order.
Speaker #3: And this year, we have started off, well, we started off the first seven weeks because our quarter is five weeks in December and then of course seven weeks were solid.
Speaker #3: We were pleased with that. I must say, however, that these last two weeks with this weather situation has been a real kick in the shins.
Speaker #3: So to speak. We had to close 40 weekend and we closed several last weekend with the snow weekend. So this has been highly disruptive to are in February everything. and President's Day loomed.
Speaker #3: So to speak. We had to close 40 weekend and we closed several last weekend with the snow weekend. So this has been highly disruptive to are in February everything.
Speaker #3: So these next four weeks will really tell the tale of the quarter, and we felt quite good until we couldn't open the store. So we'll see what happens, but that's my flavor on that.
Rob Spilman: So these next four weeks will really tell the tale of the quarter. And we felt quite good until we couldn't open the store. So we'll see what happens, but that's my flavor on that. And let me give you another little piece of data that typically we have in the 10Q, and since we don't have a specific thing on the quarter this time, our written sales were up 4% for the quarter.
Robert H. Spilman: So these next four weeks will really tell the tale of the quarter. And we felt quite good until we couldn't open the store. So we'll see what happens, but that's my flavor on that. And let me give you another little piece of data that typically we have in the 10Q, and since we don't have a specific thing on the quarter this time, our written sales were up 4% for the quarter.
Speaker #4: And let me give you
Speaker #4: another little piece of data that typically we have in the 10Q and since we don't And so here we have a specific thing on the quarter this time, our written sales were up 4% for the quarter.
Speaker #2: Got it. Thanks, for that. And then yeah, obviously hopefully for the President's Day weekend, you know, the weather is kind of more normal. And then as far as the BASSETT Design Studios and the design centers, so I know you guys gave some color commentary on that, which sounds like those are doing well.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Got it. Thanks for that. And then, yeah, obviously, hopefully, for the President's Day weekend, the weather is kind of more normal. And then as far as the Bassett Design Studios and the design centers, so I know you guys gave some color commentary on that, which sounds like those are doing well. As we look forward here to the balance of fiscal 2026, do you guys expect to open more of those locations? How should we think about that?
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Got it. Thanks for that. And then, yeah, obviously, hopefully, for the President's Day weekend, the weather is kind of more normal. And then as far as the Bassett Design Studios and the design centers, so I know you guys gave some color commentary on that, which sounds like those are doing well. As we look forward here to the balance of fiscal 2026, do you guys expect to open more of those locations? How should we think about that?
Speaker #2: As we look forward here to the balance of fiscal 26, do you guys expect to open more of those locations? How should we think about that?
Speaker #3: We do. And we are in, you know, the studio is the smaller concept—1,000 square feet—really specializing in our custom upholstery through our custom program.
Rob Spilman: We do. We are in the studio is the smaller concept, 1,000 sq ft, really specializing in our custom upholstery, true custom program. We should get more action out of that as the design center is a bigger commitment on floor space and inventory. Those don't come along as often as we have been able to open the newer concept. Yes, that's very much a focus for us. What we're really focusing on, too, is the productivity of those concepts, all the metrics that they use. Of course, that's how you keep a solid network, so. Offhand, I can't tell you exactly how many, but that's something that we talk about constantly around here.
Robert H. Spilman: We do. We are in the studio is the smaller concept, 1,000 sq ft, really specializing in our custom upholstery, true custom program. We should get more action out of that as the design center is a bigger commitment on floor space and inventory. Those don't come along as often as we have been able to open the newer concept. Yes, that's very much a focus for us. What we're really focusing on, too, is the productivity of those concepts, all the metrics that they use. Of course, that's how you keep a solid network, so. Offhand, I can't tell you exactly how many, but that's something that we talk about constantly around here.
Speaker #3: That we should get more action out of that as the design center is a bigger commitment on floor space and inventory and those don't come along as often as we have been able to open the newer concept.
Speaker #3: But yes, that's very much a focus for us, and what we're really focusing on too is the productivity of those concepts—all the metrics that they use. And of course, that's how you keep a solid network.
Speaker #3: So, but we do, offhand, I can't tell you exactly how many, but that's something that we talk about constantly around here.
Speaker #2: Gotcha. Okay. And then my last question here, so I know you guys talked about the opening new stores this year. Longer term, how do you guys think about the retail store network?
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Gotcha. Okay. And then my last question here, so I know you guys talked about opening new stores this year. Longer term, how do you guys think about the retail store network? Just would love to get some color on that subject. Thanks.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Gotcha. Okay. And then my last question here, so I know you guys talked about opening new stores this year. Longer term, how do you guys think about the retail store network? Just would love to get some color on that subject. Thanks.
Speaker #2: Just would love to get some color on that subject. Thanks.
Speaker #3: When you say, 'How do we think about it?' you mean?
Rob Spilman: When you say how do we think about it, you mean?
Robert H. Spilman: When you say how do we think about it, you mean?
Speaker #2: Yeah, in terms of,
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Yeah. In terms of.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Yeah. In terms of.
Speaker #3: The size of it, or how many stores, or that kind of thing.
Rob Spilman: The size of it or how many stores or that kind of thing?
Robert H. Spilman: The size of it or how many stores or that kind of thing?
Speaker #3: thing? Yeah,
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's just, so what's your kind of long-term goal as far as the number of stores? If you have a goal that you can share with us or just any sort of additional color as to how you guys think about the growth of the business next 3 to 5 years, which I would imagine would entail opening more stores. But maybe just wanted to if you guys could provide some additional details on that.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's just, so what's your kind of long-term goal as far as the number of stores? If you have a goal that you can share with us or just any sort of additional color as to how you guys think about the growth of the business next 3 to 5 years, which I would imagine would entail opening more stores. But maybe just wanted to if you guys could provide some additional details on that.
Speaker #2: exactly. It's just, you know, so what's your kind of long-term goal yeah, in terms of. as far as the number of stores if you have a goal that you can share with us or to just, you know, any sort of additional colors, how you guys think about the growth of the business next three to five years?
Speaker #2: Which I would imagine would entail opening more stores, but maybe just wondered if you guys could provide some additional details on—
Speaker #2: that. Sure.
Rob Spilman: Sure. Well, we certainly look at the geography of the country and what kind of revenue is derived from each area. We know that when we open a store, we do more business in that area than if we don't have a store. So that's number one. However, I would say the post-COVID models for rents and for construction costs. We just had an interesting meeting on that yesterday. The environment's changed. It's more expensive to do these stores today. So what we do, we've got a formula, and we overlay that formula with the geography. We do try to leverage areas where we are currently operating in to take advantage of warehousing and that kind of thing if we can add and leverage our investment in the geographic area. But this pace of, call it, 2 to 4 stores a year is one that we foresee us continuing on.
Robert H. Spilman: Sure. Well, we certainly look at the geography of the country and what kind of revenue is derived from each area. We know that when we open a store, we do more business in that area than if we don't have a store. So that's number one. However, I would say the post-COVID models for rents and for construction costs. We just had an interesting meeting on that yesterday. The environment's changed. It's more expensive to do these stores today. So what we do, we've got a formula, and we overlay that formula with the geography. We do try to leverage areas where we are currently operating in to take advantage of warehousing and that kind of thing if we can add and leverage our investment in the geographic area. But this pace of, call it, 2 to 4 stores a year is one that we foresee us continuing on.
Speaker #3: Well, we certainly look at the geography of the country and what kind of revenue is derived from each area. We know that when we open a store, we do more business in that area.
Speaker #3: And if we don't have a store. So that's number one. However, I would say the post-COVID models for rents and for construction costs we just had an interesting meeting on that yesterday.
Speaker #3: The environment's changed. It's more expensive to do these stores today. So what we do, we've got a formula and we overlay that formula with the geography.
Speaker #3: We do try to leverage areas where we are currently operated in to take advantage of warehousing and that kind of thing if we can add and leverage our investment in the geographic area.
Speaker #3: So this pace a year, of, call it two to four stores is one that we foresee us continuing on. And in addition to that, of course, all these efforts in the open market and now the design trade and the new BASSETT are in lane venture are all part of the mix hospitality division, all of these things for us to grow the top
Rob Spilman: In addition to that, of course, all these efforts in the open market and now the design trade and the new Bassett Hospitality division, all of these things and Lane Venture are all part of the mix for us to grow the top line.
Robert H. Spilman: In addition to that, of course, all these efforts in the open market and now the design trade and the new Bassett Hospitality division, all of these things and Lane Venture are all part of the mix for us to grow the top line.
Speaker #3: line. Thank you very much.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Thank you very much, and best of luck.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Thank you very much, and best of luck.
Speaker #2: And best of luck.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Anthony.
Rob Spilman: Thanks, Anthony.
Robert H. Spilman: Thanks, Anthony.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Thank you.
Anthony Lebiedzinski: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And our next question comes from you, Doug Lane of Water Tower Research. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from Doug Lane of Water Tower Research. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from Doug Lane of Water Tower Research. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And good morning, everybody. Looking at the retail business in 2026 here, you mentioned you raised prices, January the 1st, so will that be enough to get retail margins gross margins on the retail side up year over year, or are there other factors that might continue to hold retail margins back a little bit?
Doug Lane: Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Looking at the retail business in 2026 here, you mentioned you raised prices 1 January. So will that be enough to get gross margins on the retail side up year-over-year, or are there other factors that might continue to hold retail margins back a little bit?
Doug Lane: Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Looking at the retail business in 2026 here, you mentioned you raised prices 1 January. So will that be enough to get gross margins on the retail side up year-over-year, or are there other factors that might continue to hold retail margins back a little bit?
Speaker #3: Well, Doug, really, if you look back in probably a five-year run, we've had a nice run up in our retail margins and then, of course, this quarter we went the other way for the reasons that Mike enumerated with the needing the surcharge and all that.
Rob Spilman: Well, Doug, really, if you look back in probably a five-year run, we've had a nice run up in our retail margins. And then, of course, this quarter, we went the other way for the reasons that Mike enumerated with eating the surcharge and all that. But I think we're about where we're going to be. We could increase slightly. And I mean, we've already seen the first couple of weeks with adjusting the prices that the margins have come up some. But we also want to make sure that we keep our inventory clean. And we're running this week of an inventory reduction sale as we speak. So all of those factors play in. So we've been running 52%, 53%, 54% in that range for some time. And I think that's where we see ourselves for the immediate future.
Robert H. Spilman: Well, Doug, really, if you look back in probably a five-year run, we've had a nice run up in our retail margins. And then, of course, this quarter, we went the other way for the reasons that Mike enumerated with eating the surcharge and all that. But I think we're about where we're going to be. We could increase slightly. And I mean, we've already seen the first couple of weeks with adjusting the prices that the margins have come up some. But we also want to make sure that we keep our inventory clean. And we're running this week of an inventory reduction sale as we speak. So all of those factors play in. So we've been running 52%, 53%, 54% in that range for some time. And I think that's where we see ourselves for the immediate future.
Speaker #3: think we're But I about where we're going to slightly in, I mean, we've already seen the first couple of adjusting the prices at the margins have come up some, but weeks with we also want to make sure that we keep our inventory clean and we're running this week of an inventory reduction sale as we speak.
Speaker #3: So all of those factors play in. So we've been running 52, 53, 54 in that, and I think that's where we see ourselves for the immediate future.
Speaker #2: No, that makes sense. And help me understand how the new stores impact the P&L on the retail side. Is it enough to cause any kind of lumpiness in either the sales growth or gross margin in any particular quarter, or is it just pretty much seamless?
Doug Lane: No, that makes sense. Help me understand how the new stores impact the P&L on the retail side. Is it enough to cause any kind of lumpiness, need of sales growth, or gross margin in any particular quarter, or is it just pretty much seamless?
Doug Lane: No, that makes sense. Help me understand how the new stores impact the P&L on the retail side. Is it enough to cause any kind of lumpiness, need of sales growth, or gross margin in any particular quarter, or is it just pretty much seamless?
Speaker #3: Well, and I'll take this one. From a gross margin gross margin per se. Where you see the impact is on the SG&A side, where unfortunately with the way we have to we record rent expense basically when we take control of the building, which two, three months before we open.
Rob Spilman: Well, and I'll take this one. From a gross margin standpoint, really no effect on the gross margin per se. Where you see the impact is on the SG&A side, where, unfortunately, with the way we have to record rent expense, we record rent expense basically when we take control of the building, which could be 2, 3 months before we open. So we're hitting rent expense at that point. Then when we open, we don't ring the register for a sale until the product gets delivered. So there's occupancy cost and other SG&A that's going on for a 2- to 3-month period before you get that backlog up to a normal level. So from a P&L perspective, SG&A is a hit.
Robert H. Spilman: Well, and I'll take this one. From a gross margin standpoint, really no effect on the gross margin per se. Where you see the impact is on the SG&A side, where, unfortunately, with the way we have to record rent expense, we record rent expense basically when we take control of the building, which could be 2, 3 months before we open. So we're hitting rent expense at that point. Then when we open, we don't ring the register for a sale until the product gets delivered. So there's occupancy cost and other SG&A that's going on for a 2- to 3-month period before you get that backlog up to a normal level. So from a P&L perspective, SG&A is a hit.
Speaker #3: the rent expense at that So we're hitting point. Then when we record rent expense, open, we don't ring the register for a sale until the product gets delivered so there's occupancy cost and other SG&A that's going on for you get that backlog up to a normal level.
Speaker #3: So from a P&L SG&A is a perspective, a two to three-month period before if I remember right, what we used to say in the Qs and the Ks it was somewhere pre-opening cost is what we really referred that referred to it as was somewhere in the 4 to 500 thousand dollar range for a new store opening.
Rob Spilman: I think if I remember right what we used to say in the Qs and the Ks, it was somewhere pre-opening cost is what we really referred to it as was somewhere in the $400,000 to $500,000 range for a new store opening.
Robert H. Spilman: I think if I remember right what we used to say in the Qs and the Ks, it was somewhere pre-opening cost is what we really referred to it as was somewhere in the $400,000 to $500,000 range for a new store opening.
Speaker #2: Okay. Got it. Thank you. It still challenging and yet you're sounds like the macro environment is So congratulations on that. So growing wholesale and retail 8%.
Doug Lane: Okay. Got it. Thank you. It still sounds like the macro environment is challenging, and yet you're growing wholesale and retail 8%. So congratulations on that. So obviously, you're gaining share from somebody. How would you describe where you're taking market share from in the current environment?
Doug Lane: Okay. Got it. Thank you. It still sounds like the macro environment is challenging, and yet you're growing wholesale and retail 8%. So congratulations on that. So obviously, you're gaining share from somebody. How would you describe where you're taking market share from in the current environment?
Speaker #2: taking market share from in the current environment?
Speaker #3: Well, I just would that we brought out. And maybe well, definitely I would say in a couple of cases, we needed to really improve our assortment.
Rob Spilman: Well, I just would attribute it to some of the new products that we brought out. Well, definitely, I would say in a couple of cases, we needed to really improve our assortment. It's hard for me to really pinpoint who we took it from because there's so many guys doing this in this business. But it's really in our Bassett case goods, particularly this quarter. Consumers responded to what we had to offer. And that's really made a difference. So one thing about our business, and this is for everybody, if you get something that's hot that people like, it can affect your sales nicely. And of course, the opposite is also true. But that's really what I attribute our and we've been out in the stores here in the last few weeks, and the people are excited about these new products. So that's really what's happening.
Robert H. Spilman: Well, I just would attribute it to some of the new products that we brought out. Well, definitely, I would say in a couple of cases, we needed to really improve our assortment. It's hard for me to really pinpoint who we took it from because there's so many guys doing this in this business. But it's really in our Bassett case goods, particularly this quarter. Consumers responded to what we had to offer. And that's really made a difference. So one thing about our business, and this is for everybody, if you get something that's hot that people like, it can affect your sales nicely. And of course, the opposite is also true. But that's really what I attribute our and we've been out in the stores here in the last few weeks, and the people are excited about these new products. So that's really what's happening.
Speaker #3: It's hard for me to really pinpoint who we took it from because there's so many guys doing this in this business, but it's really and our BASSETT case goods particularly this quarter, consumer's responded to what we had to offer.
Speaker #3: …made a difference. So one thing about our business—and this is for, and that's really everybody—if you get something that's hot, that people like, it can affect your sales nicely. And of course, the opposite is also true.
Speaker #3: But that's really what I attribute our and we've been out in the stores here in the last few weeks and the people are excited about these new products.
Speaker #3: So that's really what's happening.
Speaker #4: And Doug, I would add one thing Rob pointed out in his what's happening with the independent retailer that more and more the generational businesses are going away.
Mike Daniel: Doug, I would add one thing Rob pointed out in his comments. It's kind of the phenomenon of what's happening with the independent retailer. More and more, the generational businesses are going away. At least on the retail side, it does provide some additional help to our sales. I'd throw that in there, too.
Michael Daniel: Doug, I would add one thing Rob pointed out in his comments. It's kind of the phenomenon of what's happening with the independent retailer. More and more, the generational businesses are going away. At least on the retail side, it does provide some additional help to our sales. I'd throw that in there, too.
Speaker #4: And at least on the retail side, it does provide some additional help to our sales. So I'd throw that in there too.
Speaker #4: And at least on the retail side, it does provide some additional help to our sales. So I'd throw that in there—comments. No,
Speaker #4: And at least on the retail side, it does provide some additional help to our sales, so I'd throw that in there. Comments? No, it's kind of the phenomenon of—
Doug Lane: No, that makes sense. Lastly, on share repurchase, is there any? What is the attitude on share repurchase? Is it still opportunistic, or do you think that 2026 might be a little bit more aggressive than 2025? Just maybe if you could help me think about how you guys think about share repurchases.
Doug Lane: No, that makes sense. Lastly, on share repurchase, is there any? What is the attitude on share repurchase? Is it still opportunistic, or do you think that 2026 might be a little bit more aggressive than 2025? Just maybe if you could help me think about how you guys think about share repurchases.
Speaker #2: repurchase, is there any what is the attitude on share repurchase? Is it 2026 might be a little bit more aggressive could help me think about how you guys think about share repurchases?
Speaker #3: Well, this word 'opportunistic' is our decision process on that. We also, in quiet periods, are prohibited from buying in the open market unless we put some kind of accommodating plan into place to allow us to buy at a certain level.
Rob Spilman: Well, this word opportunistic is certainly what drives our decision process on that. And in quiet periods, we are prohibited from buying in the open market unless we put some kind of accommodating plan in to allow us to buy at a certain level. And so before we close each quarter, we look at those 30 to 40 days that follow the quarter and say, "Well, if it reaches a certain level, if it goes down to a certain level, we'll buy." But we are not, I would say, pretty much stay the course with where we are on the share repurchase is what we're thinking right now.
Robert H. Spilman: Well, this word opportunistic is certainly what drives our decision process on that. And in quiet periods, we are prohibited from buying in the open market unless we put some kind of accommodating plan in to allow us to buy at a certain level. And so before we close each quarter, we look at those 30 to 40 days that follow the quarter and say, "Well, if it reaches a certain level, if it goes down to a certain level, we'll buy." But we are not, I would say, pretty much stay the course with where we are on the share repurchase is what we're thinking right now.
Speaker #3: And so before we close each quarter, we look at, follow the quarter, and say, 'Well, if in those 30 to 40 days it reaches a certain level, if it goes down to a certain level, we'll buy.' But we are not, I would say, pretty—we are, on the share repurchase, is what we're—
Speaker #3: thinking right now. And the
Speaker #4: other piece to that, Doug, is we're
Mike Daniel: And the other piece to that, Doug, is we're constantly looking at our cash level and the cash generation during the period to make sure that we can, if you want to say, afford to make those purchases.
Michael Daniel: And the other piece to that, Doug, is we're constantly looking at our cash level and the cash generation during the period to make sure that we can, if you want to say, afford to make those purchases.
Speaker #4: can, if you want to, say afford to make those
Speaker #2: Okay, that's helpful. Thank you very much. Stay the course of where you are.
Doug Lane: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.
Doug Lane: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn it back to Rob Spilman for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn it back to Rob Spilman for closing remarks.
Speaker #5: Thank you. I am showing no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn it back to Rob Spilman for closing.
Speaker #5: you. Thank I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn it back to Rob Spilman for closing remarks. as we said, everyone, we
Rob Spilman: Well, as we said, everyone, we have a similar environment here in 2026 that we experience in 2025. But we are hard at running a smarter business and growing the top line at Bassett in the various ways that we have described. And that's what we're going to continue to do. I would say thank you for your participation today, and have a great day. Thank you.
Robert H. Spilman: Well, as we said, everyone, we have a similar environment here in 2026 that we experience in 2025. But we are hard at running a smarter business and growing the top line at Bassett in the various ways that we have described. And that's what we're going to continue to do. I would say thank you for your participation today, and have a great day. Thank you.
Speaker #3: have a 2026 that we similar environment here in we are hard at running a smarter business and growing the top line at BASSETT and the various ways that we have described.
Speaker #3: And that's what we're going to continue to do. I would say thank you for your participation today. Well, and have a good day.
Speaker #4: Thank
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