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Q4 2025 RXO Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Welcome to the RXO Q4 2025 earnings conference call and webcast. My name is Ina, and I will be your operator for today's call. Please note that this conference is being recorded.
Speaker #1: During this call, the company will make certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws which, by their nature, involve a number of risks and certainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements.
Speaker #1: A discussion of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially is contained in the company's SEC filings, as well as in its earnings release.
Speaker #1: You should refer to a copy of the company's earnings release in the Investor Relations section on the company's website for additional important information regarding forward-looking statements and disclosures, and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures.
Operator: You should refer to a copy of the company's earnings release in the investor relations section on the company's website for additional important information regarding forward-looking statements, disclosures, and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures that the company uses when it's discussing its results. I'll now turn the call over to Drew Wilkerson. Mr. Wilkerson, you may begin. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining today. With me here in Charlotte are RXO's Chief Financial Officer, Jamie Harris, and Chief Strategy Officer, Jared Weisfeld. This morning, I want to cover three key points. First, we continue to take decisive actions to mitigate the effects of the prolonged soft rate market and significant capacity reductions, which are squeezing our brokerage gross margin. We have a rigorous, disciplined approach to optimizing our cost structure and our gross profit per load.
Operator: You should refer to a copy of the company's earnings release in the investor relations section on the company's website for additional important information regarding forward-looking statements, disclosures, and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures that the company uses when it's discussing its results. I'll now turn the call over to Drew Wilkerson. Mr. Wilkerson, you may begin.
Speaker #1: that the company uses when it's discussing its results. I'll now turn the call over to Drew Wilkerson. Mr. Wilkerson, you may.
Speaker #1: begin. Good morning, everyone.
Drew Wilkerson: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining today. With me here in Charlotte are RXO's Chief Financial Officer, Jamie Harris, and Chief Strategy Officer, Jared Weisfeld. This morning, I want to cover three key points. First, we continue to take decisive actions to mitigate the effects of the prolonged soft rate market and significant capacity reductions, which are squeezing our brokerage gross margin. We have a rigorous, disciplined approach to optimizing our cost structure and our gross profit per load.
Speaker #2: Thank you for joining today. With me here in Charlotte are RXO's Chief Financial Officer, Jamie Harris, and Chief Strategy Officer, Jared Weisfeld. This morning, I want to cover three key points.
Speaker #2: First, we continue to take decisive actions to mitigate the effects of the prolonged soft freight market and significant capacity reductions, which are squeezing our brokerage gross margin.
Speaker #2: We have a focus on optimizing our cost structure and our gross profit per load. We're taking steps to augment our carrier base, grow brokerage volume, grow businesses that are stable sources of EBITDA, and leverage our deep customer relationships and last-mile hub network to design unique solutions for customers.
Operator: We're taking steps to augment our carrier base, grow brokerage volume, grow businesses that are stable sources of EBITDA, and leverage our deep customer relationships and last-mile hub network to design unique solutions for customers. Second, we've got a strong brokerage late-stage sales pipeline for new business, which grew more than 50% year-over-year. Most of that growth is driven by full truckload. Our managed transportation business continues to win and also has a very strong pipeline. Third, we finalized a new asset-based lending facility, which replaces our revolver. Our new facility is right-sized for our needs, decreases our costs, and provides us with increased flexibility across all market cycles. Now let's discuss our fourth quarter results. In brokerage, overall volume declined by 4% year-over-year. Less-than-truckload volume growth of 31% was more than offset by a 12% decline in truckload volume.
Drew Wilkerson: We're taking steps to augment our carrier base, grow brokerage volume, grow businesses that are stable sources of EBITDA, and leverage our deep customer relationships and last-mile hub network to design unique solutions for customers. Second, we've got a strong brokerage late-stage sales pipeline for new business, which grew more than 50% year-over-year. Most of that growth is driven by full truckload. Our managed transportation business continues to win and also has a very strong pipeline. Third, we finalized a new asset-based lending facility, which replaces our revolver. Our new facility is right-sized for our needs, decreases our costs, and provides us with increased flexibility across all market cycles. Now let's discuss our fourth quarter results. In brokerage, overall volume declined by 4% year-over-year. Less-than-truckload volume growth of 31% was more than offset by a 12% decline in truckload volume.
Speaker #2: Second, we've got a strong brokerage late-stage sales pipeline for new business, which grew more than 50% year over year. Most of that growth is driven by full truckload.
Speaker #2: Our managed transportation business continues to win, and also has a very strong pipeline. Third, we finalized a new asset-based lending facility which replaces our revolver.
Speaker #2: Our new facility is right-sized for our needs, decreases our cost, and provides us with increased flexibility across all market cycles. Now, let's discuss our fourth-quarter results.
Speaker #2: In brokerage, overall volume declined by 4% year over year. Less-than-truckload volume growth of 31% was more than offset by a 12% decline in truckload volume.
Speaker #2: Brokerage gross margin was 11.9%. In complementary services, managed transportation was awarded more than $200 million of freight under management, and last-mile stops grew by 3% year over year.
Operator: Brokerage gross margin was 11.9%. In complementary services, managed transportation was awarded more than $200 million of freight under management, and last-mile stops grew by 3% year-over-year. Complementary services gross margin was 20.2%. Overall, RXO's EBITDA was $17 million in the quarter, below our expectations, primarily due to a more pronounced brokerage margin squeeze towards the end of the quarter. This was primarily driven by capacity exits, which led to the largest November to December increase in industry-wide buy rates in 16 years. In December, rates increased by about 15% month-over-month, much faster than our contractual sale rates. At the same time, demand remained soft, with not enough spot loads to offset the rise in purchased transportation costs. SONAR tender rejections and the load-to-truck ratio reached the highest levels of the year in December, and both increased further in January.
Drew Wilkerson: Brokerage gross margin was 11.9%. In complementary services, managed transportation was awarded more than $200 million of freight under management, and last-mile stops grew by 3% year-over-year. Complementary services gross margin was 20.2%. Overall, RXO's EBITDA was $17 million in the quarter, below our expectations, primarily due to a more pronounced brokerage margin squeeze towards the end of the quarter. This was primarily driven by capacity exits, which led to the largest November to December increase in industry-wide buy rates in 16 years. In December, rates increased by about 15% month-over-month, much faster than our contractual sale rates. At the same time, demand remained soft, with not enough spot loads to offset the rise in purchased transportation costs. SONAR tender rejections and the load-to-truck ratio reached the highest levels of the year in December, and both increased further in January.
Speaker #2: Complementary services gross margin was 20.2%. Overall, RXO's EBITDA was $17 million in the quarter, below our expectations primarily due to a more pronounced brokerage margin squeeze towards the end of the quarter.
Speaker #2: This was primarily driven by capacity exits, which led to the largest industry-wide buy rates increase from November to December in 16 years. In December, rates increased by about 15% month over month, much faster than our contractual sale rates.
Speaker #2: At the same time, demand remained soft, with not enough spot loads to offset the rise in purchase transportation costs. SONAR tender rejections and the load-to-truck ratio reached the highest levels of the year in December, and both increased further in January.
Speaker #2: Because our book of business is largely contractual, with enterprise customers, this affected our near-term brokerage gross margin performance. That said, winning contract business is a hallmark of our brokerage model, because it positions us to win accretive spot opportunities.
Operator: Because our book of business is largely contractual with enterprise customers, this affected our near-term brokerage gross margin performance. That said, winning contract business is a hallmark of our brokerage model because it positions us to win accretive spot opportunities, mini bids, and special projects. The capacity reductions in the industry represent one of the largest structural changes to truckload supply since deregulation and should set the market up for a sharper inflection when demand recovers. The regulatory actions will also help improve the overall safety of the industry as well as help combat theft and fraud, but they do put pressure on near-term results. We're continuing to take decisive actions to navigate the market. Specifically, we remain disciplined when it comes to costs and optimizing our gross profit per load. We're expanding alternative sources of capacity, like private fleets, to help reduce buy rate volatility.
Drew Wilkerson: Because our book of business is largely contractual with enterprise customers, this affected our near-term brokerage gross margin performance. That said, winning contract business is a hallmark of our brokerage model because it positions us to win accretive spot opportunities, mini bids, and special projects. The capacity reductions in the industry represent one of the largest structural changes to truckload supply since deregulation and should set the market up for a sharper inflection when demand recovers. The regulatory actions will also help improve the overall safety of the industry as well as help combat theft and fraud, but they do put pressure on near-term results. We're continuing to take decisive actions to navigate the market. Specifically, we remain disciplined when it comes to costs and optimizing our gross profit per load. We're expanding alternative sources of capacity, like private fleets, to help reduce buy rate volatility.
Speaker #2: Many bids and special projects. The capacity reductions in the industry represent one of the largest structural changes to truckload supply since deregulation and should set the market up for a sharper inflection when demand recovers.
Speaker #2: The regulatory actions will also help improve the overall safety of the industry as well as help combat theft and fraud. But they do put pressure on near-term results.
Speaker #2: We're continuing to take decisive actions to navigate the market. Specifically, we remain disciplined when it comes to cost and optimizing our gross profit per load.
Speaker #2: We're expanding alternative sources of capacity, like private fleets, to help reduce buy rate volatility. We're working closely with our customers to optimize volume, service, and price this bid season.
Operator: We're working closely with our customers to optimize volume, service, and price this bid season. We're also working to convert the strong late-stage brokerage sales pipeline, and we're developing more creative ways to leverage our hub network within last-mile to provide customers with customized middle-mile solutions. I remain extremely positive about the actions we're taking to mitigate this part of the freight cycle and all those we're taking to position RXO for future outperformance. More importantly, now that we're past the bulk of the integration, we're more unified than ever with a singular focus on returning to growth mode, leveraging our scale, and outperforming the market. We'll do that through our differentiated approach to sales and customer service and our unified tech platform. Our multi-layered sales team focuses on building exceptional customer relationships.
Drew Wilkerson: We're working closely with our customers to optimize volume, service, and price this bid season. We're also working to convert the strong late-stage brokerage sales pipeline, and we're developing more creative ways to leverage our hub network within last-mile to provide customers with customized middle-mile solutions. I remain extremely positive about the actions we're taking to mitigate this part of the freight cycle and all those we're taking to position RXO for future outperformance. More importantly, now that we're past the bulk of the integration, we're more unified than ever with a singular focus on returning to growth mode, leveraging our scale, and outperforming the market. We'll do that through our differentiated approach to sales and customer service and our unified tech platform. Our multi-layered sales team focuses on building exceptional customer relationships.
Speaker #2: We're also working to brokerage sales pipeline, and we're developing more creative ways to leverage our hub network within last mile to provide customers with customized middle-mile solutions.
Speaker #2: I remain extremely positive about the actions we're taking to mitigate this part of the freight cycle, and all those we're taking to position RXO for future outperformance.
Speaker #2: More importantly, now that we're past the bulk of the integration, we're more unified than ever with the singular focus on returning to growth mode, leveraging our scale, and outperforming the market.
Speaker #2: We’ll do that through our differentiated approach to sales and customer service, and our unified tech platform. Our multi-layered sales team focuses on building exceptional customer relationships.
Speaker #2: This helped us grow our late-stage brokerage sales pipeline by more than 50% year over year—strong momentum as we start 2026. This pipeline is composed of high-quality new names and long-tenured existing enterprise customers, for which we have built successful solutions in the past.
Operator: This helped us grow our late-stage brokerage sales pipeline by more than 50% year-over-year, strong momentum as we start 2026. This pipeline is composed of high-quality new names and long-tenured existing enterprise customers for which we have built successful solutions in the past. While bid season is not yet complete, we've seen early wins. The strength and makeup of our pipeline gives us confidence that we will resume year-over-year truckload volume outperformance as early as the middle of this year. In managed transportation, we also continue to win. We were awarded more than $200 million in freight under management in Q4 and still have a very robust pipeline of opportunities. These wins will result in increased synergy loads to RXO's other lines of business. We're very proud of the strength of our customer relationships across RXO.
Drew Wilkerson: This helped us grow our late-stage brokerage sales pipeline by more than 50% year-over-year, strong momentum as we start 2026. This pipeline is composed of high-quality new names and long-tenured existing enterprise customers for which we have built successful solutions in the past. While bid season is not yet complete, we've seen early wins. The strength and makeup of our pipeline gives us confidence that we will resume year-over-year truckload volume outperformance as early as the middle of this year. In managed transportation, we also continue to win. We were awarded more than $200 million in freight under management in Q4 and still have a very robust pipeline of opportunities. These wins will result in increased synergy loads to RXO's other lines of business. We're very proud of the strength of our customer relationships across RXO.
Speaker #2: While bid season is not yet complete, we've seen early wins. The strength and makeup of our pipeline gives us confidence that we will resume year-over-year truckload volume outperformance as early as the middle of this year.
Speaker #2: In managed transportation, we also continue to win. We were awarded more than $200 million in freight under management in the fourth quarter, and still have a very robust pipeline of opportunities.
Speaker #2: These wins, loads to RXO's other lines of business, will result in increased synergy. We're very proud of the strength of our customer relationships across RXO.
Speaker #2: Recently, we received awards from blue-chip customers, including Kellanova, Lowe’s, and Electrolux. Another reason I’m excited is our team is now operating on an integrated platform, which includes our CRM, our pricing tools, and our proprietary systems—RXO Connect and Freight Optimizer.
Operator: Recently, we received awards from blue-chip customers, including Kellanova, Lowe's, and Electrolux. Another reason I'm excited is our team is now operating on an integrated platform, which includes our CRM, our pricing tools, and our proprietary systems, RXO Connect and Freight Optimizer. The integration work we've done over the past year is now providing unparalleled visibility for our sales and operations team. It has enabled us to leverage decades' worth of proprietary data from both legacy RXO and legacy Coyote to power our pricing algorithms and recommend the best truck for each load. We're positioning RXO for the long term through our investments in transformational AI capabilities. Our vision is that RXO will lead the next decade in freight by arming expert people with the best-in-class intelligence to solve problems before they happen, delivering a level of speed and flexibility that makes the old way of thinking unimaginable.
Drew Wilkerson: Recently, we received awards from blue-chip customers, including Kellanova, Lowe's, and Electrolux. Another reason I'm excited is our team is now operating on an integrated platform, which includes our CRM, our pricing tools, and our proprietary systems, RXO Connect and Freight Optimizer. The integration work we've done over the past year is now providing unparalleled visibility for our sales and operations team. It has enabled us to leverage decades' worth of proprietary data from both legacy RXO and legacy Coyote to power our pricing algorithms and recommend the best truck for each load. We're positioning RXO for the long term through our investments in transformational AI capabilities. Our vision is that RXO will lead the next decade in freight by arming expert people with the best-in-class intelligence to solve problems before they happen, delivering a level of speed and flexibility that makes the old way of thinking unimaginable.
Speaker #2: The integration work we've done over the past year is now providing unparalleled visibility for our sales and operations team. It has enabled us to leverage decades' worth of proprietary data from both legacy RXO and legacy Coyote to power our pricing algorithms and recommend the best truck for each load.
Speaker #2: We're positioning RXO for the long term through our investments in transformational AI capabilities. Our vision is that RXO will lead the next decade in freight by arming expert people with the best-in-class intelligence to solve problems before they happen, delivering a level of speed and flexibility that makes the old way of thinking unimaginable.
Speaker #2: Later in the call, Jared will talk more about the rapid progress and real results we're seeing from our initiatives. RXO has a strong balance sheet.
Operator: Later in the call, Jared will talk more about the rapid progress and real results we're seeing from our initiatives. RXO has a strong balance sheet, and we took steps in the fourth quarter to further improve our capital structure. We finalized a new asset-based lending facility, which replaces our revolving credit facility. We have tailored the new facility to better align with our business needs, securing better pricing and greater financial flexibility across all parts of the market cycle. Jamie will walk you through these details later. In summary, we continue to take strategic actions to better position RXO for both the short and long term. I remain confident in RXO's ability to deliver outsized earnings growth driven by five key factors. Scale: Scale allows us to purchase transportation more effectively.
Drew Wilkerson: Later in the call, Jared will talk more about the rapid progress and real results we're seeing from our initiatives. RXO has a strong balance sheet, and we took steps in the fourth quarter to further improve our capital structure. We finalized a new asset-based lending facility, which replaces our revolving credit facility. We have tailored the new facility to better align with our business needs, securing better pricing and greater financial flexibility across all parts of the market cycle. Jamie will walk you through these details later. In summary, we continue to take strategic actions to better position RXO for both the short and long term. I remain confident in RXO's ability to deliver outsized earnings growth driven by five key factors. Scale: Scale allows us to purchase transportation more effectively.
Speaker #2: And we took steps in the fourth quarter to further improve our capital structure. We finalized a new asset-based lending facility, which replaces our revolving credit facility.
Speaker #2: We have tailored the new facility to better align with our business needs, securing better pricing and greater financial flexibility across all parts of the market cycle.
Speaker #2: Jamie will walk you through these details later. In summary, we continue to take strategic actions to better position RXO for both the short and long term.
Speaker #2: I remain confident in RXO's ability to deliver outsized earnings growth, driven by five key factors. Scale—scale allows us to purchase transportation more effectively.
Speaker #2: Our technology platform and the Coyote acquisition have helped decrease our cost to serve by more than 20% since our spin. We also expect buy rate favorability to continue improving.
Operator: Our technology platform and the Coyote acquisition have helped decrease our cost to serve by more than 20% since our spin. We also expect buy rate favorability to continue improving. Profitable growth: We're focused on gaining profitable truckload markets here, and we're expanding the parts of our business that are stable sources of EBITDA, like managed transportation, SMB, and LTL. In the fourth quarter alone, LTL volume grew 31%, the fourth consecutive quarter of double-digit growth, underscoring our momentum in this area. Technology: We invest over $100 million annually in our best-in-class tech, all in service of achieving our future state tech vision, which will be driven by AI. Once fully implemented, our capabilities will fundamentally change how our people get work done and provide customers with a faster, more seamless way of managing their freight. Cash generation: Our asset-light model is resilient.
Drew Wilkerson: Our technology platform and the Coyote acquisition have helped decrease our cost to serve by more than 20% since our spin. We also expect buy rate favorability to continue improving. Profitable growth: We're focused on gaining profitable truckload markets here, and we're expanding the parts of our business that are stable sources of EBITDA, like managed transportation, SMB, and LTL. In the fourth quarter alone, LTL volume grew 31%, the fourth consecutive quarter of double-digit growth, underscoring our momentum in this area. Technology: We invest over $100 million annually in our best-in-class tech, all in service of achieving our future state tech vision, which will be driven by AI. Once fully implemented, our capabilities will fundamentally change how our people get work done and provide customers with a faster, more seamless way of managing their freight. Cash generation: Our asset-light model is resilient.
Speaker #2: Profitable growth. We're focused on gaining profitable truckload markets here, and we're expanding the parts of our business that are stable sources of EBITDA, like managed transportation, SMB, and LTL.
Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter alone, LTL volume grew 31%—the fourth consecutive quarter of double-digit growth—underscoring our momentum in this area. Technology: we invest over $100 million annually in our best-in-class tech.
Speaker #2: All in service of achieving our future-state tech vision, which will be driven by AI. Once fully implemented, our capabilities will fundamentally change how our people get work done and provide customers with a faster, more seamless way of managing their freight.
Speaker #2: Cash generation. Our asset-light model is resilient. Despite soft market conditions, we achieved adjusted free cash flow conversion of 43% in 2025, within our long-term target range.
Operator: Despite soft market conditions, we achieved adjusted free cash flow conversion of 43% in 2025 within our long-term target range. Cost structure: Since becoming a standalone company, we've taken out more than $155 million in costs through targeted initiatives, including AI investment, real estate optimization, and productivity. We're not done yet. Notably, brokerage headcount declined by a mid-teens percentage year-over-year. Over the last 12 months, we also achieved a 19% increase in productivity. Our streamlined operations will provide us with substantial operating leverage. While we're not satisfied with near-term results in this soft environment, we're very excited about the path ahead for RXO. We've shifted from integration mode and are returning to growth mode to take advantage of our larger scale. We continue to adhere to the formula that has driven our success for over a decade: exceptional service, comprehensive solutions, deep customer relationships, and cutting-edge technology.
Drew Wilkerson: Despite soft market conditions, we achieved adjusted free cash flow conversion of 43% in 2025 within our long-term target range. Cost structure: Since becoming a standalone company, we've taken out more than $155 million in costs through targeted initiatives, including AI investment, real estate optimization, and productivity. We're not done yet. Notably, brokerage headcount declined by a mid-teens percentage year-over-year. Over the last 12 months, we also achieved a 19% increase in productivity. Our streamlined operations will provide us with substantial operating leverage. While we're not satisfied with near-term results in this soft environment, we're very excited about the path ahead for RXO. We've shifted from integration mode and are returning to growth mode to take advantage of our larger scale. We continue to adhere to the formula that has driven our success for over a decade: exceptional service, comprehensive solutions, deep customer relationships, and cutting-edge technology.
Speaker #2: Cost structure. Since becoming a standalone company, we've taken out more than $155 million in costs through targeted initiatives including AI investment, real estate optimization, and productivity.
Speaker #2: We're not done yet. Notably, brokerage headcount declined by a mid-teens percentage year over year. Over the last 12 months, we also achieved a 19% increase in productivity.
Speaker #2: Our streamlined operations will provide us with substantial operating leverage. While we're not satisfied with near-term results in this soft environment, we're very excited about the path ahead for RXO.
Speaker #2: We've shifted from integration mode and are returning to growth mode to take advantage of our larger scale. We continue to adhere to the formula that has driven our success for over a decade.
Speaker #2: Exceptional service, comprehensive solutions, deep customer relationships, and cutting-edge technology. RXO has a unique algorithm for long-term growth. Now, Jamie will discuss our financial results in more detail.
Operator: RXO has a unique algorithm for long-term growth. Now, Jamie will discuss our financial results in more detail. Thank you, Drew, and good morning. Let's review our fourth quarter and full-year performance in more detail. For the quarter, we reported $1.5 billion in total revenue, gross margin of 14.8%, adjusted EBITDA of $17 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin of 1.2%. Gross margin and adjusted EBITDA were negatively impacted by the increase in cost of transportation within our brokerage business and soft demand within last-mile. Our interest expense was $9 million. For the quarter, our adjusted loss per share was $0.07. You can find a bridge to adjusted EPS on slide 8 of the earnings presentation. Of note, we had a $12 million goodwill impairment associated with the restructuring of our express service offering within our managed transportation business. This impairment was non-cash.
Drew Wilkerson: RXO has a unique algorithm for long-term growth. Now, Jamie will discuss our financial results in more detail.
Jamie Harris: Thank you, Drew, and good morning. Let's review our fourth quarter and full-year performance in more detail. For the quarter, we reported $1.5 billion in total revenue, gross margin of 14.8%, adjusted EBITDA of $17 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin of 1.2%. Gross margin and adjusted EBITDA were negatively impacted by the increase in cost of transportation within our brokerage business and soft demand within last-mile. Our interest expense was $9 million. For the quarter, our adjusted loss per share was $0.07. You can find a bridge to adjusted EPS on slide 8 of the earnings presentation. Of note, we had a $12 million goodwill impairment associated with the restructuring of our express service offering within our managed transportation business. This impairment was non-cash.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Drew, and good morning. Let's review our fourth quarter and full year performance in more detail. For the quarter, we reported $1.5 billion in total revenue, gross margin of 14.8%, adjusted EBITDA of $17 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin of 1.2%.
Speaker #2: Gross margin and adjusted EBITDA were negatively impacted by the increase in cost of transportation within our brokerage business and soft demand within last mile.
Speaker #2: Our interest expense was $9 million. For the quarter, our adjusted loss per share was $0.07. You can find a bridge to adjusted EPS on slide 8 of the earnings presentation.
Speaker #2: Of note, we had a $12 million goodwill impairment associated with the restructuring of our express service offering within our managed transportation business. This impairment was non-cash.
Speaker #2: Turning to our lines of business, brokerage revenue was $1.1 billion and was down 14% year over year due to continued soft freight market conditions.
Operator: Turning to our lines of business, brokerage revenue was $1.1 billion and was down 14% year-over-year due to continued soft freight market conditions. Brokerage represented 72% of total revenue in the quarter. Costs of transportation increased in the quarter due to tightening of the full truckload market, primarily driven by regulatory developments and associated capacity exits. This occurred without a meaningful corresponding increase in sales rates or sufficient spot opportunities, causing a margin squeeze on our contractual book of business. Jared will provide more details later in the call. Given the market tightening and resulting margin squeeze, brokerage gross margin was 11.9%, slightly below the low end of our outlook. Brokerage gross margin declined 160 basis points sequentially and 130 basis points year-over-year. Complementary services revenue in the quarter of $431 million was flat year-over-year and represented 28% of total revenue.
Jamie Harris: Turning to our lines of business, brokerage revenue was $1.1 billion and was down 14% year-over-year due to continued soft freight market conditions. Brokerage represented 72% of total revenue in the quarter. Costs of transportation increased in the quarter due to tightening of the full truckload market, primarily driven by regulatory developments and associated capacity exits. This occurred without a meaningful corresponding increase in sales rates or sufficient spot opportunities, causing a margin squeeze on our contractual book of business. Jared will provide more details later in the call. Given the market tightening and resulting margin squeeze, brokerage gross margin was 11.9%, slightly below the low end of our outlook. Brokerage gross margin declined 160 basis points sequentially and 130 basis points year-over-year. Complementary services revenue in the quarter of $431 million was flat year-over-year and represented 28% of total revenue.
Speaker #2: Brokerage represented 72% of total revenue in the quarter. Cost of transportation increased in the quarter due to tightening of the full truckload market, primarily driven by regulatory developments and associated capacity exits.
Speaker #2: This occurred without a meaningful corresponding increase in sales rates or sufficient spot opportunities, causing a margin squeeze on our contractual book of business. Jared will provide more details later in the call.
Speaker #2: Given the market tightening and resulting margin squeeze, brokerage gross margin was 11.9%, slightly below the low end of our outlook. Brokerage gross margin declined 160 basis points sequentially, and 130 basis points year over year.
Speaker #2: Complementary services revenue in the quarter of $431 million was flat year over year and represented 28% of total revenue. Complementary services gross margin was 20.2%, down 110 basis points sequentially and 90 basis points year over year, primarily due to weakening demand within last mile and the impact of the fixed cost structure of our last mile hubs.
Operator: Complementary Services gross margin was 20.2%, down 110 basis points sequentially and 90 basis points year-over-year, primarily due to weakening demand within Last-Mile and the impact of the fixed cost structure of our Last-Mile hubs. Within Complementary Services, Managed Transportation generated $133 million of revenue in the quarter, down 6% year-over-year. Encouragingly, our year-over-year automotive headwind eased as company-wide automotive gross margin dollars declined by low to mid-single-digit percent year-over-year. Our Last-Mile business generated $298 million of revenue in the quarter, up 3% year-over-year. Last-Mile stops also grew by 3%. As we communicated during our last call, Big and Bulky demand weakened towards the end of the third quarter, and that continued throughout the fourth quarter.
Jamie Harris: Complementary Services gross margin was 20.2%, down 110 basis points sequentially and 90 basis points year-over-year, primarily due to weakening demand within Last-Mile and the impact of the fixed cost structure of our Last-Mile hubs. Within Complementary Services, Managed Transportation generated $133 million of revenue in the quarter, down 6% year-over-year. Encouragingly, our year-over-year automotive headwind eased as company-wide automotive gross margin dollars declined by low to mid-single-digit percent year-over-year. Our Last-Mile business generated $298 million of revenue in the quarter, up 3% year-over-year. Last-Mile stops also grew by 3%. As we communicated during our last call, Big and Bulky demand weakened towards the end of the third quarter, and that continued throughout the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: Within complementary services, managed transportation generated $133 million of revenue in the quarter, down 6% year over year. Encouragingly, our year-over-year automotive headwind eased as company-wide automotive gross margin dollars declined below the mid-single-digit percent year over year.
Speaker #2: Our last mile business generated $298 million in revenue in the quarter, up 3% year over year. Last mile stops also grew by 3%. As we communicated during our last call, big and bulky demand weakened towards the end of the third quarter, and that continued throughout the fourth year, we reported quarter.
Operator: Turning to the full year, we reported $5.7 billion in total revenue, Gross Margin of 16.2%, Adjusted EBITDA of $109 million, and an Adjusted EBITDA margin of 1.9%. Now, let's discuss cash. We ended the quarter with $17 million of cash on the balance sheet in line with our expectations. Cash decreased by $8 million sequentially with no change to the Revolver balance. As a reminder, in the quarter, we made our semi-annual bond payment of $13 million, and we had a $9 million cash usage associated with restructuring, transaction, and integration activities. For the quarter, our Adjusted Free Cash Flow conversion was 6%, and for the trailing six months, it was 39%. As you can see on slide 9, Adjusted Free Cash Flow for the year was $47 million, yielding a solid 43% conversion from Adjusted EBITDA.
Jamie Harris: Turning to the full year, we reported $5.7 billion in total revenue, Gross Margin of 16.2%, Adjusted EBITDA of $109 million, and an Adjusted EBITDA margin of 1.9%. Now, let's discuss cash. We ended the quarter with $17 million of cash on the balance sheet in line with our expectations. Cash decreased by $8 million sequentially with no change to the Revolver balance. As a reminder, in the quarter, we made our semi-annual bond payment of $13 million, and we had a $9 million cash usage associated with restructuring, transaction, and integration activities. For the quarter, our Adjusted Free Cash Flow conversion was 6%, and for the trailing six months, it was 39%. As you can see on slide 9, Adjusted Free Cash Flow for the year was $47 million, yielding a solid 43% conversion from Adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #2: $5.7 billion in total. Turning to the full revenue, gross margin of 16.2%, adjusted EBITDA of $109 million, and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 1.9%.
Speaker #2: Now, let's discuss cash. We ended the quarter with $17 million of cash on the balance sheet, in line with our expectations. Cash decreased by $8 million sequentially, with no change to the revolver balance.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, in the quarter we made our semi-annual bond payment of $13 million, and we had a $9 million cash usage associated with restructuring, transaction, and integration activities.
Speaker #2: For the quarter, our adjusted free cash flow conversion was 6%, and for the trailing six months, it was 39%. As you can see on slide 9, adjusted free cash flow for the year was $47 million, yielding a solid 43% conversion from adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #2: This was primarily driven by disciplined strategic capital deployment and favorable working capital. Net CapEx for the year was $57 million, compared to our outlook of $65 to $75 million.
Operator: This was primarily driven by disciplined strategic capital deployment and favorable working capital. Net CapEx for the year was $57 million compared to our outlook of $65 to $75 million. We also harmonized working capital processes across the organization. Given our asset-light business model, we remain confident in a 40% to 60% conversion over the long term and across market cycles. We're very pleased with our full-year conversion at this point in the freight cycle. Turning to slide 10, quarter-end net leverage was 3x LTM bank-adjusted EBITDA. Our LTM EBITDA moved lower as profitability was impacted by the brokerage gross margin squeeze. On slide 11, I'd like to spend time walking through our new asset-based lending facility, which we announced this morning. The ABL is a $450 million facility and replaces our previous $600 million revolver. The ABL provides us with more flexibility through all market cycles.
Jamie Harris: This was primarily driven by disciplined strategic capital deployment and favorable working capital. Net CapEx for the year was $57 million compared to our outlook of $65 to $75 million. We also harmonized working capital processes across the organization. Given our asset-light business model, we remain confident in a 40% to 60% conversion over the long term and across market cycles. We're very pleased with our full-year conversion at this point in the freight cycle. Turning to slide 10, quarter-end net leverage was 3x LTM bank-adjusted EBITDA. Our LTM EBITDA moved lower as profitability was impacted by the brokerage gross margin squeeze. On slide 11, I'd like to spend time walking through our new asset-based lending facility, which we announced this morning. The ABL is a $450 million facility and replaces our previous $600 million revolver. The ABL provides us with more flexibility through all market cycles.
Speaker #2: We also harmonized working capital processes across the organization. Given our asset-light business model, we remain confident in a 40 to 60% conversion over the long term, and across market cycles.
Speaker #2: We're very pleased with our full-year conversion at this point in the freight cycle. Turning to slide 10, quarter-end net leverage was 3.0x LTM bank-adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #2: Our LTM EBITDA moved lower as profitability was impacted by the brokerage gross margin squeeze. On slide 11, I'd like to spend time walking through our new asset-based lending facility, which we announced this morning.
Speaker #2: The ABL is a $450 million facility and replaces our previous $600 million revolver. The ABL provides us with more flexibility through all market cycles.
Speaker #2: There are a few important points and key benefits associated with the new ABL facility. First, we intentionally structured the credit facility to $450 million of capacity, based on the needs of the business, saving approximately $400,000 of annual unused commitment fees.
Operator: There are a few important points and key benefits associated with the new ABL facility. First, we intentionally structured the credit facility to $450 million of capacity based on the needs of the business, saving approximately $400,000 of annual unused commitment fees. The facility also has a $200 million accordion feature available. We have access to 100% of the facility to use for our cash needs and letters of credit requirements. At current utilization levels, our interest rate is approximately 35 basis points more favorable. Lastly, all covenants under the revolver, including the leverage, and interest coverage covenants, have been replaced with a fixed charge covenant that has minimal impact on our ability to borrow. Now, let's move to slide 16 and discuss our outlook for Q1 and our full-year 2026 modeling assumptions.
Jamie Harris: There are a few important points and key benefits associated with the new ABL facility. First, we intentionally structured the credit facility to $450 million of capacity based on the needs of the business, saving approximately $400,000 of annual unused commitment fees. The facility also has a $200 million accordion feature available. We have access to 100% of the facility to use for our cash needs and letters of credit requirements. At current utilization levels, our interest rate is approximately 35 basis points more favorable. Lastly, all covenants under the revolver, including the leverage, and interest coverage covenants, have been replaced with a fixed charge covenant that has minimal impact on our ability to borrow. Now, let's move to slide 16 and discuss our outlook for Q1 and our full-year 2026 modeling assumptions.
Speaker #2: The facility also has a $200 million accordion feature available. We have access to 100% of the facility to use for our cash needs and letters of credit requirements.
Speaker #2: At current utilization levels, our interest rate is approximately 35 basis points more favorable. Lastly, all covenants under the revolver, including the leverage and interest coverage covenants, have been replaced with a fixed charge covenant that has minimal impact on our ability to borrow.
Speaker #2: Now, let's move to slide 16 and discuss our outlook for the first quarter and our full year 2026 modeling assumptions. Similar to last quarter, our outlook continues to reflect weak freight demand across all our lines of business.
Operator: Similar to last quarter, our outlook continues to reflect weak freight demand across all our lines of business. Within our brokerage business, we're not assuming a meaningful increase in either spot opportunities or sale rates in the first quarter. Additionally, our outlook reflects elevated purchased transportation costs. For the combined company in the first quarter, we expect to generate between $5 and $12 million of adjusted EBITDA. Jared will provide more details on our outlook shortly. For our 2026 modeling assumptions, we expect the following: CapEx to be between $50 and $55 million, depreciation expense between $65 and $75 million, amortization expense between $40 and $45 million, stock-based compensation between $25 and $35 million, net interest expense between $32 and $36 million, and cash tax outflows of approximately $6 to $8 million. We anticipate restructuring, transaction, and integration expenses to be between $25 and $30 million.
Jamie Harris: Similar to last quarter, our outlook continues to reflect weak freight demand across all our lines of business. Within our brokerage business, we're not assuming a meaningful increase in either spot opportunities or sale rates in the first quarter. Additionally, our outlook reflects elevated purchased transportation costs. For the combined company in the first quarter, we expect to generate between $5 and $12 million of adjusted EBITDA. Jared will provide more details on our outlook shortly. For our 2026 modeling assumptions, we expect the following: CapEx to be between $50 and $55 million, depreciation expense between $65 and $75 million, amortization expense between $40 and $45 million, stock-based compensation between $25 and $35 million, net interest expense between $32 and $36 million, and cash tax outflows of approximately $6 to $8 million. We anticipate restructuring, transaction, and integration expenses to be between $25 and $30 million.
Speaker #2: Within our brokerage business, we're not assuming a meaningful increase in either spot opportunities or sale rates in the first quarter. Additionally, our outlook reflects elevated purchase transportation costs.
Speaker #2: For the combined company in the first quarter, we expect to generate between $5 and $12 million of adjusted EBITDA. Jared will provide more details on our outlook shortly.
Speaker #2: For our 2026 modeling assumptions, we expect the following: CapEx to be between $50 million and $55 million, depreciation expense between $65 million and $75 million, and amortization expense between $40 million and $45 million.
Speaker #2: Stock-based compensation between $25 million and $35 million, net interest expense between $32 million and $36 million, and cash tax outflows of approximately $6 million to $8 million.
Speaker #2: We anticipate restructuring, transaction, and integration expenses to be between $25 and $30 million. It's important to note that approximately one-third of these expenses relate to actions taken in prior periods.
Operator: It's important to note that approximately one-third of these expenses relate to actions taken in prior periods. The associated cash outflow with these actions is expected to be approximately $30 to $35 million, about half of which is related to prior periods. We expect a fully diluted share count of approximately 170 million shares. To summarize, while elevated purchased transportation costs are squeezing our contractual brokerage gross margin and impacting profitability, this is a positive development for the long-term health of the freight market. As we think about the macroeconomy, we continue to see many developments that have the potential to stimulate demand. These include lower short-term interest rates, new tax legislation, proposals for housing affordability, and domestic investment announcements.
Jamie Harris: It's important to note that approximately one-third of these expenses relate to actions taken in prior periods. The associated cash outflow with these actions is expected to be approximately $30 to $35 million, about half of which is related to prior periods. We expect a fully diluted share count of approximately 170 million shares. To summarize, while elevated purchased transportation costs are squeezing our contractual brokerage gross margin and impacting profitability, this is a positive development for the long-term health of the freight market. As we think about the macroeconomy, we continue to see many developments that have the potential to stimulate demand. These include lower short-term interest rates, new tax legislation, proposals for housing affordability, and domestic investment announcements.
Speaker #2: The associated cash outflow with these actions is expected to be approximately $30 million to $35 million, about half of which is related to prior periods.
Speaker #2: We expect a fully diluted share count of approximately 170 million shares. To summarize, while elevated purchase transportation costs are squeezing our contractual brokerage gross margin and impacting profitability, this is a positive development for the long-term health of the freight market.
Speaker #2: As we think about the macroeconomy, we continue to see many developments that have the potential to stimulate demand. These include lower short-term interest rates, new tax legislation, proposals for housing affordability, and domestic investment announcements.
Speaker #2: As an example, Monday's ISM report showed many positive developments in the manufacturing data, a key leading indicator for the U.S. economy, the transportation industry, and an important vertical for RXO.
Operator: As an example, Monday's ISM report showed many positive developments in the manufacturing data, a key leading indicator for the US economy, the transportation industry, and an important vertical for RXO. Specifically, US manufacturing activity in January expanded by the most since 2022. While it's difficult to predict the timing of a demand recovery, any significant improvement in demand could set up for a sharp inflection, and RXO is well positioned to benefit. Now, I'd like to turn it over to Chief Strategy Officer Jared Weisfeld, who will talk in more detail about our results and our outlook.
Jamie Harris: As an example, Monday's ISM report showed many positive developments in the manufacturing data, a key leading indicator for the US economy, the transportation industry, and an important vertical for RXO. Specifically, US manufacturing activity in January expanded by the most since 2022. While it's difficult to predict the timing of a demand recovery, any significant improvement in demand could set up for a sharp inflection, and RXO is well positioned to benefit. Now, I'd like to turn it over to Chief Strategy Officer Jared Weisfeld, who will talk in more detail about our results and our outlook.
Speaker #2: Specifically, U.S. manufacturing activity in January expanded by the most since 2022. While it's difficult to predict the timing of a demand recovery, any significant improvement in demand could set up for a sharp inflection, and RXO is well positioned to benefit.
Speaker #2: Now, I'd like to turn it over to Chief Strategy Officer Jared Weisfeld, who will talk in more detail about our results and our outlook.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Jamie, and good morning, everyone. As I typically do, I'll start with an overview of our brokerage performance in the quarter. Overall brokerage volume declined by 4% year over year, outpacing the cash freight index, which declined by 8% year over year.
[Analyst] (Aiera): Thanks, Jamie, and good morning, everyone. As I typically do, I'll start with an overview of our brokerage performance in the quarter. Overall brokerage volume declined by 4% year-over-year, outpacing the Cass Freight Index, which declined by 8% year-over-year. LTL volume increased by 31% year-over-year and represented 26% of brokerage volume in the fourth quarter. Truckload volume declined by 12% year-over-year and represented 74% of brokerage volume. As a percentage of our brokerage business, truckload volume increased by 500 basis points sequentially. As a reminder, in support of a seasonal ramp with some customers, our brokerage business typically sees higher truckload volume in the fourth quarter when compared to the third. Truckload volume was impacted by our continued efforts to optimize price, volume, and service with our customers, as well as broader market weakness.
Jared Weisfeld: Thanks, Jamie, and good morning, everyone. As I typically do, I'll start with an overview of our brokerage performance in the quarter. Overall brokerage volume declined by 4% year-over-year, outpacing the Cass Freight Index, which declined by 8% year-over-year. LTL volume increased by 31% year-over-year and represented 26% of brokerage volume in the fourth quarter. Truckload volume declined by 12% year-over-year and represented 74% of brokerage volume. As a percentage of our brokerage business, truckload volume increased by 500 basis points sequentially. As a reminder, in support of a seasonal ramp with some customers, our brokerage business typically sees higher truckload volume in the fourth quarter when compared to the third. Truckload volume was impacted by our continued efforts to optimize price, volume, and service with our customers, as well as broader market weakness.
Speaker #2: LTL volume increased by 31% year over year, and represented 26% of brokerage volume in the fourth quarter. Truckload volume declined by 12% year over year, and represented 74% of brokerage volume.
Speaker #2: As a percentage of our brokerage business, truckload volume increased by 500 basis points sequentially. As a reminder, in support of a seasonal ramp with some customers, our brokerage business typically sees higher truckload volume in the fourth quarter when compared to the third.
Speaker #2: Truckload volume was impacted by our continued efforts to optimize price, volume, and service with our customers, as well as broader market weakness. Let's now discuss what we saw within the verticals we support within our truckload business.
[Analyst] (Aiera): Let's now discuss what we saw within the verticals we support within our truckload business. Industrial and manufacturing trends continue to outperform our broader truckload trends. Volume within this vertical declined just 1% year-over-year, benefiting from some special projects and opportunities. We remain well positioned to capture our customers' special project freight due to our close relationships and excellent service. As Jamie mentioned, the year-over-year headwind in our automotive business eased in the quarter. Automotive volume in brokerage declined by a mid-teens percentage, easing from declines earlier in the year of almost 30%. From a company-wide standpoint, overall automotive gross margin declined by only a low- to mid-single-digit percentage. Contract volume was 72% of our overall truckload volume in the quarter. Contract business increased by 100 basis points sequentially. Spot represented 28% of our truckload volume in the quarter.
Jared Weisfeld: Let's now discuss what we saw within the verticals we support within our truckload business. Industrial and manufacturing trends continue to outperform our broader truckload trends. Volume within this vertical declined just 1% year-over-year, benefiting from some special projects and opportunities. We remain well positioned to capture our customers' special project freight due to our close relationships and excellent service. As Jamie mentioned, the year-over-year headwind in our automotive business eased in the quarter. Automotive volume in brokerage declined by a mid-teens percentage, easing from declines earlier in the year of almost 30%. From a company-wide standpoint, overall automotive gross margin declined by only a low- to mid-single-digit percentage. Contract volume was 72% of our overall truckload volume in the quarter. Contract business increased by 100 basis points sequentially. Spot represented 28% of our truckload volume in the quarter.
Speaker #2: Industrial and manufacturing trends continue to outperform our broader truckload trends. Volume within this vertical declined just 1% year over year, benefiting from some special projects and opportunities.
Speaker #2: We remain well positioned to capture our customers' special project freight due to our close relationships and excellent service. As Jamie mentioned, the year-over-year headwind in our automotive business eased in the quarter.
Speaker #2: Automotive volume in brokerage declined by a mid-teen percentage, easing from declines earlier in the year of almost 30%. And from a company-wide standpoint, overall automotive gross margin declined by only a low- to mid-single-digit percentage.
Speaker #2: Contract volume was 72% of our overall truckload volume in the quarter. Contract business increased by 100 basis points sequentially. Spot represented 28% of our truckload volume in the quarter.
Speaker #2: Total spot volume on an absolute basis increased slightly sequentially as we capitalized on some additional spot opportunities. However, these were not meaningful enough to offset the significant margin compression in our contractual business.
[Analyst] (Aiera): Total spot volume on an absolute basis increased slightly sequentially as we capitalized on some additional spot opportunities. However, these were not meaningful enough to offset the significant margin compression in our contractual business. I'll talk more about this shortly. Before reviewing our financial performance and market conditions in more detail, I'd like to highlight the results from our transformational AI efforts that Drew described. We deliver technology that drives improvements across four key pillars: volume, margin, productivity, and service. During the quarter, we made progress further enhancing our AI capabilities across each pillar. We recently introduced a new proprietary AI spot quote agent, which will unlock an incremental margin opportunity. We continue to make improvements to our pricing engine, and in the quarter, we extended pricing tooling with increased automation and launched the contract pricing model view for enhanced decision-making.
Jared Weisfeld: Total spot volume on an absolute basis increased slightly sequentially as we capitalized on some additional spot opportunities. However, these were not meaningful enough to offset the significant margin compression in our contractual business. I'll talk more about this shortly. Before reviewing our financial performance and market conditions in more detail, I'd like to highlight the results from our transformational AI efforts that Drew described. We deliver technology that drives improvements across four key pillars: volume, margin, productivity, and service. During the quarter, we made progress further enhancing our AI capabilities across each pillar. We recently introduced a new proprietary AI spot quote agent, which will unlock an incremental margin opportunity. We continue to make improvements to our pricing engine, and in the quarter, we extended pricing tooling with increased automation and launched the contract pricing model view for enhanced decision-making.
Speaker #2: I'll talk more about this shortly. Before reviewing our financial performance and market conditions in more detail, I'd like to highlight the results from our transformational AI efforts that Drew described.
Speaker #2: We deliver technology that drives improvements across four key pillars: volume, margin, productivity, and service. During the quarter, we made progress further enhancing our AI capabilities across each pillar.
Speaker #2: We proprietary AI spot quote agent, which will unlock an incremental margin recently introduced a new opportunity. We continue to make improvements to our pricing engine and, in the quarter, we extended pricing tooling with increased automation and launched a contract pricing model view for enhanced decision-making.
Speaker #2: We rolled out agentic AI capacity sourcing in the quarter, as we continue to attract qualified carriers to the RXO platform. We also automated thousands of tracking updates via agentic AI tooling and delivered a generative AI assistant to support customer sales and operations.
[Analyst] (Aiera): We rolled out Agentic AI capacity sourcing in the quarter as we continue to attract qualified carriers to the RXO platform, and we also automated thousands of tracking updates via Agentic AI tooling and delivered a generative AI assistant to support customer sales and operations. Here are some of the results we achieved. We saw a 24% increase in digital bids per carrier with a new AI-based load recommendation in RXO Connect. We enhanced our theft prevention processes across thousands of loads in high-risk cargo areas by deploying an Agentic AI solution, and we performed thousands of customer tracking updates in the quarter by leveraging Agentic AI. We're applying AI to structurally improve the long-term margin profile of the business. Let's now review our brokerage financial performance and market conditions in more detail, starting with revenue per load on slide 12.
Jared Weisfeld: We rolled out Agentic AI capacity sourcing in the quarter as we continue to attract qualified carriers to the RXO platform, and we also automated thousands of tracking updates via Agentic AI tooling and delivered a generative AI assistant to support customer sales and operations. Here are some of the results we achieved. We saw a 24% increase in digital bids per carrier with a new AI-based load recommendation in RXO Connect. We enhanced our theft prevention processes across thousands of loads in high-risk cargo areas by deploying an Agentic AI solution, and we performed thousands of customer tracking updates in the quarter by leveraging Agentic AI. We're applying AI to structurally improve the long-term margin profile of the business. Let's now review our brokerage financial performance and market conditions in more detail, starting with revenue per load on slide 12.
Speaker #2: Here are some of the results we achieved. We saw a 24% increase in digital bids per carrier with a new AI-based load recommendation in RXO Connect.
Speaker #2: We enhanced our theft prevention processes across thousands of loads in high-risk cargo areas by deploying an agentic AI solution. And we performed thousands of customer tracking updates in the quarter by leveraging agentic AI.
Speaker #2: We're applying AI to structurally improve the long-term margin business. Let's now review our brokerage profile of the financial performance and market conditions in more detail.
Speaker #2: Starting with revenue per load on slide 12. In the fourth quarter, truckload revenue per load trends remain muted. Year over year, revenue per load, excluding the impacts of changes in fuel prices and length of haul, increased by 1%.
[Analyst] (Aiera): In the fourth quarter, truckload revenue per load trends remained muted. Year-over-year, revenue per load, excluding the impacts of changes in fuel prices and length of haul, increased by 1%. This reflected a continued weak demand environment and limited accretive spot opportunities. Additionally, our cost of purchased transportation increased at a faster rate than revenue per load. Let's discuss that more on slide 13, which shows brokerage margin performance. Truckload gross profit per load decreased by 10% from November to December alone as margins in our contractual book of business were squeezed. This squeeze was due to a significant tightening of the truckload market in the fourth quarter, and industry buy rates were up 15% in December month-over-month. Industry KPIs also moved higher, which has persisted into the first quarter. In fact, this week, tender rejections exceeded 13%, a level not seen since early 2022.
Jared Weisfeld: In the fourth quarter, truckload revenue per load trends remained muted. Year-over-year, revenue per load, excluding the impacts of changes in fuel prices and length of haul, increased by 1%. This reflected a continued weak demand environment and limited accretive spot opportunities. Additionally, our cost of purchased transportation increased at a faster rate than revenue per load. Let's discuss that more on slide 13, which shows brokerage margin performance. Truckload gross profit per load decreased by 10% from November to December alone as margins in our contractual book of business were squeezed. This squeeze was due to a significant tightening of the truckload market in the fourth quarter, and industry buy rates were up 15% in December month-over-month. Industry KPIs also moved higher, which has persisted into the first quarter. In fact, this week, tender rejections exceeded 13%, a level not seen since early 2022.
Speaker #2: This reflected a continued weak demand environment and limited accretive spot opportunities. Additionally, our cost of purchased transportation increased at a faster rate than revenue per load.
Speaker #2: Let's discuss that more on slide 13, which shows brokerage margin performance. Truckload gross profit per load decreased by 10% from November to December alone, as margins in our contractual book of business were squeezed.
Speaker #2: This squeeze was due to a significant tightening of the truckload market in the fourth quarter, and industry buy rates were up 15% in December month over month.
Speaker #2: Industry KPIs also moved higher, which has persisted into the first quarter. In fact, this week, tender rejections exceeded 13%, a level not seen since early 2022. Tighter market conditions have been primarily driven by supply-side dynamics, as overall demand remained soft.
[Analyst] (Aiera): Tighter market conditions have been primarily driven by supply-side dynamics as overall demand remains soft. This tightening in supply is largely due to enforcement actions related to non-domiciled CDLs and English language proficiency. Specifically, following regulatory changes effective in June of last year, English language proficiency violation rates have climbed back to pre-2016 levels, near 3%, with the out-of-service enforcement rate spiking to over 30% from less than 5%. Turning to slide 14. As we just discussed, truckload gross profit per load declined in the fourth quarter given tighter capacity and continued soft demand. Our truckload gross profit per load in the month of December was about 30% below our five-year average, excluding COVID highs. Moving to slide 15. RXO's LTL brokerage volume continues to outperform the broader LTL market. In the quarter, LTL gross profit per load also improved sequentially.
Jared Weisfeld: Tighter market conditions have been primarily driven by supply-side dynamics as overall demand remains soft. This tightening in supply is largely due to enforcement actions related to non-domiciled CDLs and English language proficiency. Specifically, following regulatory changes effective in June of last year, English language proficiency violation rates have climbed back to pre-2016 levels, near 3%, with the out-of-service enforcement rate spiking to over 30% from less than 5%. Turning to slide 14. As we just discussed, truckload gross profit per load declined in the fourth quarter given tighter capacity and continued soft demand. Our truckload gross profit per load in the month of December was about 30% below our five-year average, excluding COVID highs. Moving to slide 15. RXO's LTL brokerage volume continues to outperform the broader LTL market. In the quarter, LTL gross profit per load also improved sequentially.
Speaker #2: This tightening in supply is largely due to enforcement actions related to non-domiciled CDLs and English language proficiency. Specifically, following regulatory changes effective in June of last year, English language proficiency violation rates have climbed back to pre-2016 levels—near 3%—with the out-of-service enforcement rate spiking to over 30% from less than 5%.
Speaker #2: Turning to slide 14, as we just discussed, truckload gross profit per load declined in the fourth quarter, giving tighter capacity and continued soft demand.
Speaker #2: Our truckload gross profit per load in the month of December was about 30% below our five-year average, excluding COVID highs. Moving to slide 15, RXO's LTL brokerage volume continues to outperform the broader LTL market.
Speaker #2: In the quarter, LTL gross profit per load also improved sequentially. We continue to grow our LTL business with existing truckload customers and new customers that trust us with their freight because of our excellent service, increasing the stickiness of these relationships.
[Analyst] (Aiera): We continue to grow our LTL business with existing truckload customers and new customers that trust us with their freight because of our excellent service, increasing the stickiness of these relationships. I now like to look forward and give you some more details on our Q1 outlook. We're assuming continued soft demand across all our lines of business, starting with brokerage. We expect total brokerage volume to decline 5% to 10% year-over-year. It's important to note that our truckload volume has stabilized. On a sequential basis, we outperform the Cass Freight Index in the Q3 and Q4. While we do anticipate truckload volume to seasonally decline in Q1, given the strength of our late-stage brokerage pipeline, we expect our truckload volume to resume its year-over-year outperformance versus the market as early as the middle of the year. Turning to LTL.
Jared Weisfeld: We continue to grow our LTL business with existing truckload customers and new customers that trust us with their freight because of our excellent service, increasing the stickiness of these relationships. I now like to look forward and give you some more details on our Q1 outlook. We're assuming continued soft demand across all our lines of business, starting with brokerage. We expect total brokerage volume to decline 5% to 10% year-over-year. It's important to note that our truckload volume has stabilized. On a sequential basis, we outperform the Cass Freight Index in the Q3 and Q4. While we do anticipate truckload volume to seasonally decline in Q1, given the strength of our late-stage brokerage pipeline, we expect our truckload volume to resume its year-over-year outperformance versus the market as early as the middle of the year. Turning to LTL.
Speaker #2: I'd now like to look forward and give you some more details on our first quarter outlook. We're assuming continued soft demand across all our lines of business.
Speaker #2: Starting with brokerage, we expect total brokerage volume to decline 5% to 10% year over year. It's important to note that our truckload volume has stabilized.
Speaker #2: On a sequential basis, we outperform the cash freight index in the third and fourth quarters. While we do anticipate truckload volume to seasonally decline in the first quarter, given the strength of our late-stage brokerage pipeline, we expect our truckload volume to resume its year-on-year outperformance versus the market as early as the middle of the year.
Speaker #2: Turning to LTL, we expect LTL to grow by mid-single-digit percentage year over year. Recall, we have tougher comparisons due to the large LTL onboardings from last year, and year-on-year growth can be lumpy depending on new customer wins.
[Analyst] (Aiera): We expect LTL to grow by mid-single-digit percentage year-over-year. Recall, we have tougher comparisons due to the large LTL onboardings from last year, and year-over-year growth can be lumpy depending on new customer wins. Moving to truckload gross profit per load. In January, market conditions tightened to the highest levels in four years, and we captured incremental spot opportunities, helping to mitigate some of the margin pressure on the contractual book of business. This resulted in January brokerage truckload gross profit per load slightly higher when compared to December. We expect tight market conditions to persist for the remainder of Q1. We anticipate that brokerage gross margin will be between 11% and 13% in Q1. Let's now talk about Complementary Services. Managed Transportation has strong sales momentum. However, please note that Q1 is seasonally a softer period for Managed Transportation.
Jared Weisfeld: We expect LTL to grow by mid-single-digit percentage year-over-year. Recall, we have tougher comparisons due to the large LTL onboardings from last year, and year-over-year growth can be lumpy depending on new customer wins. Moving to truckload gross profit per load. In January, market conditions tightened to the highest levels in four years, and we captured incremental spot opportunities, helping to mitigate some of the margin pressure on the contractual book of business. This resulted in January brokerage truckload gross profit per load slightly higher when compared to December. We expect tight market conditions to persist for the remainder of Q1. We anticipate that brokerage gross margin will be between 11% and 13% in Q1. Let's now talk about Complementary Services. Managed Transportation has strong sales momentum. However, please note that Q1 is seasonally a softer period for Managed Transportation.
Speaker #2: Moving to truckload gross profit per load, in January, market conditions tightened to the highest levels in four years, and we captured incremental spot opportunities, helping to mitigate some of the margin pressure on the contractual book of business.
Speaker #2: This resulted in January brokerage truckload gross profit per load slightly higher when compared to December. We expect tight market conditions to persist for the remainder of the first quarter.
Speaker #2: We anticipate that brokerage gross margin will be between 11% and 13% in the first quarter. Let's now talk about complementary services. Managed transportation has strong sales momentum; however, please note that Q1 is seasonally a softer period for managed transportation.
Speaker #2: In last mile, we expect big and bulky demand weakness will continue. We expect last mile stops to be down mid-single-digit percent year over year.
[Analyst] (Aiera): In last mile, we expect Big and Bulky demand weakness will continue. We expect last mile stops to be down mid-single-digit % year-over-year. The first quarter is also typically the weakest quarter for last mile. Putting it all together, we expect RXO's first quarter Adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $5 to $12 million. The main drivers of the sequential decline from the fourth quarter to the first are the seasonal decline in truckload brokerage volume and last mile. The winter storms also impacted the month of January. To close, capacity exits and tighter market conditions are impacting the near-term profitability of our brokerage business. This supply-side shock is a result of continued enforcement of non-domiciled CDL restrictions and English language proficiency. These changes represent a major structural change to the industry, which we expect will lead to an increased freight rate environment.
Jared Weisfeld: In last mile, we expect Big and Bulky demand weakness will continue. We expect last mile stops to be down mid-single-digit % year-over-year. The first quarter is also typically the weakest quarter for last mile. Putting it all together, we expect RXO's first quarter Adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $5 to $12 million. The main drivers of the sequential decline from the fourth quarter to the first are the seasonal decline in truckload brokerage volume and last mile. The winter storms also impacted the month of January. To close, capacity exits and tighter market conditions are impacting the near-term profitability of our brokerage business. This supply-side shock is a result of continued enforcement of non-domiciled CDL restrictions and English language proficiency. These changes represent a major structural change to the industry, which we expect will lead to an increased freight rate environment.
Speaker #2: The first quarter is also typically the weakest quarter for last mile. Putting it all together, we expect RXO's first quarter adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of 5 to 12 million dollars.
Speaker #2: The main drivers of the sequential decline from the fourth quarter to the first are the seasonal decline in truckload brokerage volume and last mile.
Speaker #2: The winter storms also impacted the month of January. To close, capacity exits and tighter market conditions are impacting the near-term profitability of our brokerage business.
Speaker #2: This supply-side shock is a result of continued enforcement of non-domiciled CDL restrictions and English language proficiency. These changes represent a major structural change to the industry, which we expect will lead to an increased freight rate environment.
Speaker #2: Continued enforcement will also improve safety and reduce theft and fraud. Longer-term, this is a very positive development for large-scale brokerages like RXO that have access to massive, high-quality capacity.
[Analyst] (Aiera): Continued enforcement will also improve safety and reduce theft and fraud. Longer term, this is a very positive development for large-scale brokerages like RXO that have access to massive, high-quality capacity. While the current demand environment remains soft and it's difficult to predict the timing of the recovery, the supply-demand balance in the industry is fragile, with generally lean inventory positions. Any significant improvement in demand could set up for a sharp inflection. We are also not waiting for the market recovery. We are taking aggressive actions to improve results, including reducing buy rate volatility, going after new profitable truckload volume, growing our SMB business, growing stable sources of EBITDA including LTL and managed transportation, and leveraging our hub network. With our focus on best-in-class service and continued investment in transformational AI capabilities, we are well positioned to drive significant long-term earnings and free cash flow growth.
Jared Weisfeld: Continued enforcement will also improve safety and reduce theft and fraud. Longer term, this is a very positive development for large-scale brokerages like RXO that have access to massive, high-quality capacity. While the current demand environment remains soft and it's difficult to predict the timing of the recovery, the supply-demand balance in the industry is fragile, with generally lean inventory positions. Any significant improvement in demand could set up for a sharp inflection. We are also not waiting for the market recovery. We are taking aggressive actions to improve results, including reducing buy rate volatility, going after new profitable truckload volume, growing our SMB business, growing stable sources of EBITDA including LTL and managed transportation, and leveraging our hub network. With our focus on best-in-class service and continued investment in transformational AI capabilities, we are well positioned to drive significant long-term earnings and free cash flow growth.
Speaker #2: While the current demand environment remains soft, and it's difficult to predict the timing of the recovery, the supply-demand balance in the industry is fragile, with generally lean inventory positions.
Speaker #2: Any significant improvement in demand could set up for a sharp inflection. We are also not waiting for the market recovery. We are taking aggressive actions to improve results, including reducing buy rate volatility, going after new profitable truckload volume, growing our SMB business, growing stable sources of EBITDA, including LTL and managed transportation, and leveraging our hub network.
Speaker #2: With our focus on best-in-class service and continued investment in transformational AI capabilities, we are well positioned to drive significant long-term earnings and free cash flow growth.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn it over to the operator for Q&A. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star, followed by the one on your telephone keypad.
[Analyst] (Aiera): With that, I'll turn it over to the operator for Q&A.
Jared Weisfeld: With that, I'll turn it over to the operator for Q&A.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the 1 on your telephone keypad. And should you wish to cancel your request, please press star followed by the 2. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. And your first question comes on the line of Ravi Shanker from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the 1 on your telephone keypad. And should you wish to cancel your request, please press star followed by the 2. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. And your first question comes on the line of Ravi Shanker from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #2: One moment, please, for your first question. And your first question comes on the line of Ravi Shankar from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead. Great.
Speaker #3: Thanks. Morning, everyone. So, Drew, you mentioned the 50% increase in the late-stage brokerage pipeline. Can you just unpack that a little bit? What drove that?
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Great. Thanks. Morning, everyone. So, Drew, you mentioned the 50% increase in the late-stage brokerage pipeline. Can you just unpack that a little bit? What drove that? What kind of customers are they? What kind of timing do you think that starts to come on, and what kind of pricing does that look like?
Ravi Shanker: Great. Thanks. Morning, everyone. So, Drew, you mentioned the 50% increase in the late-stage brokerage pipeline. Can you just unpack that a little bit? What drove that? What kind of customers are they? What kind of timing do you think that starts to come on, and what kind of pricing does that look like?
Speaker #3: What kind of customers are they? What kind of timing do you think with that start to come on, and what kind of pricing does that look
Speaker #3: like? Yeah.
Speaker #4: Good morning, Ravi. When you look at the pipeline, apples to apples, from last year, it's up more than 50%. And I think it speaks to the focus of the team.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. Good morning, Robbie. When you look at the pipeline, apples to apples from last year, it's up more than 50%. And I think it speaks to the focus of the team. Last year was a big year for us in terms of the integration of Coyote into the organization. It's the largest acquisition that has ever happened in the brokerage space. And this is all about us returning to what we do. It's returning to growth mode for the organization. It speaks to the strength of the relationships that we have with our customers. Our largest customers have been with us for more than 15 years on average. So a lot of the pipeline is existing customers. And then we do have some new names in there as well. And these are big new names and attractive new names to do business with.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. Good morning, Robbie. When you look at the pipeline, apples to apples from last year, it's up more than 50%. And I think it speaks to the focus of the team. Last year was a big year for us in terms of the integration of Coyote into the organization. It's the largest acquisition that has ever happened in the brokerage space. And this is all about us returning to what we do. It's returning to growth mode for the organization. It speaks to the strength of the relationships that we have with our customers. Our largest customers have been with us for more than 15 years on average. So a lot of the pipeline is existing customers. And then we do have some new names in there as well. And these are big new names and attractive new names to do business with.
Speaker #4: Last year was a big year for us in terms of the integration of Coyote into the organization. It's the largest acquisition that has ever happened in the brokerage space.
Speaker #4: And this is all about us returning to what we do—it's returning to growth mode for the organization. It speaks to the strength of the relationships that we have with our customers. Our largest customers have been with us for more than 15 years on average.
Speaker #4: So, a lot of the pipeline has existing customers, and then we do have some new names in there as well. And these are big new names and attractive new names to do business with.
Speaker #4: For us, the pipeline is important because you don't get the spot opportunities without having a significant presence on the contract side. when you look at that, that's a huge opportunity for us.
Drew Wilkerson: For us, the pipeline is important because you don't get the Spot opportunities without having a significant presence on the contract side. And so when you look at that, that's a huge opportunity for us. Your second part on the timing, the bids are typically implemented throughout Q2, which is why we speak to the optimism and the confidence that we've got about being able to return to outperforming the Truckload market around the middle of the year. On the pricing side, I think in line with what most other public companies have said, you're talking about something on the contractual side in the low to mid-single digits. On the Spot side, we expect it to be significantly more than that.
Drew Wilkerson: For us, the pipeline is important because you don't get the Spot opportunities without having a significant presence on the contract side. And so when you look at that, that's a huge opportunity for us. Your second part on the timing, the bids are typically implemented throughout Q2, which is why we speak to the optimism and the confidence that we've got about being able to return to outperforming the Truckload market around the middle of the year. On the pricing side, I think in line with what most other public companies have said, you're talking about something on the contractual side in the low to mid-single digits. On the Spot side, we expect it to be significantly more than that.
Speaker #4: Your second part on the timing, the bids are And so second quarter, which is why we speak to the optimism and the confidence that we've got about being able to return to outperforming the truckload market around the middle of the year.
Speaker #4: On the pricing side, I think, in line with what most other public companies have said, you're talking about something on the contractual side in the low- to mid-single digits.
Speaker #4: On the spot side, we expect it to be significantly more than
Speaker #4: that. Got it.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Got it. Maybe as a quick follow-up kind of on the AI initiatives, you spoke of what you're doing there. I think late last year, you had spoken about a kind of mid-year inflection in that productivity coming through. Can you just talk about what the second half of the year looks like and maybe kind of how much this AI is helping with your SMB outreach? Thank you.
Ravi Shanker: Got it. Maybe as a quick follow-up kind of on the AI initiatives, you spoke of what you're doing there. I think late last year, you had spoken about a kind of mid-year inflection in that productivity coming through. Can you just talk about what the second half of the year looks like and maybe kind of how much this AI is helping with your SMB outreach? Thank you.
Speaker #3: And maybe as a quick follow-up kind of on the AI initiatives, kind of you spoke of what you're doing there. I think late last year you had spoken about a kind of mid-year inflection in that productivity coming through.
Speaker #3: Can you just talk about what the second half of the year looks like and maybe kind of how much this AI is helping with your SMB outreach?
Speaker #3: Thank
Speaker #3: you. Hey, Ravi, it's
Jared Weisfeld: Hey, Robbie. It's Jared. So we are making significant progress with continued investment in transformational AI capabilities. We really look at it across 4 key pillars: volume, margin, productivity, and service. And you hit it right on the head because it's really two components. When we think about the ability to go ahead and improve the cost structure of the business by leveraging AI efficiently, we look at productivity in 2025 up 19% year-over-year on a two-year stack, up almost 40%. So being able to go ahead and drive incremental throughput throughout the network at a rate that is disproportionate to volume growth, when you think about that volume growth really decoupling from headcount growth, bringing those strong incremental contribution margins, really important. And we think we are still in the early innings.
Jared Weisfeld: Hey, Robbie. It's Jared. So we are making significant progress with continued investment in transformational AI capabilities. We really look at it across 4 key pillars: volume, margin, productivity, and service. And you hit it right on the head because it's really two components. When we think about the ability to go ahead and improve the cost structure of the business by leveraging AI efficiently, we look at productivity in 2025 up 19% year-over-year on a two-year stack, up almost 40%. So being able to go ahead and drive incremental throughput throughout the network at a rate that is disproportionate to volume growth, when you think about that volume growth really decoupling from headcount growth, bringing those strong incremental contribution margins, really important. And we think we are still in the early innings.
Speaker #5: Jared. So we are making significant progress with continued investment in transformational AI capabilities. We really look at it across four key pillars: volume, margin, productivity, and service.
Speaker #5: And you hit it right on the head, because it's really two components when we think about the ability to go ahead and improve the cost structure of the business by leveraging AI efficiently.
Speaker #5: We look at productivity in 2025, up 19% year over year, on a two-year stack, up almost 40%. So being able to go ahead and drive incremental throughput throughout the network at a rate that is disproportionate to volume growth, when you think about that volume growth really decoupling from headcount growth, bringing those strong incremental contribution margins, really important.
Speaker #5: And we think we are still in the early innings. The other key aspect to it, to your other point, was driving incremental margin opportunity across the business.
Jared Weisfeld: The other key aspect to it, to your other point, was driving incremental margin opportunity across the business. We look at the initiatives that we have across the company, especially on the volume side. We talked about rolling out agentic AI capabilities in the quarter. We feel really strong as we think about the second half of the year and into the rest of the year with rolling out these AI capabilities and what they mean from an incremental margin standpoint.
Jared Weisfeld: The other key aspect to it, to your other point, was driving incremental margin opportunity across the business. We look at the initiatives that we have across the company, especially on the volume side. We talked about rolling out agentic AI capabilities in the quarter. We feel really strong as we think about the second half of the year and into the rest of the year with rolling out these AI capabilities and what they mean from an incremental margin standpoint.
Speaker #5: And we look at the initiatives that we have across the company especially on the volume side. We talked about rolling out agentic AI capabilities in the quarter, and we feel really strong as we think about the second half of the year and into the rest of the year with rolling out these AI capabilities and what they mean from an incremental margin standpoint.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And your next question comes on the line of Stephanie Moore from Jeffries. Please go
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Stephanie Moore from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Stephanie Moore from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead. Hi.
Speaker #6: Good morning. Thank you. Maybe as I think through the results and your commentary, I mean, I think it's very clear that there's kind of two dynamics underway right now.
[Analyst] (Jefferies): Hi. Good morning. Thank you. Maybe as I think through the results and your commentary, I mean, I think it's very clear that there's kind of two dynamics underway right now. The first, the cycle does appear to be turning. And then second, I mean, you guys do have kind of numerous company actions underway. I mean, you call that a lot of them. Your AI actions, the Coyote integration, buy rate improvements. You also have easier comps in 2026 as well. So can you speak to how and when these two dynamics can maybe start working together in 2026? Meaning, can your own actions start to offset some of the market dynamics near term, or do we need to see the market improve first? Thanks.
Stephanie Moore: Hi. Good morning. Thank you. Maybe as I think through the results and your commentary, I mean, I think it's very clear that there's kind of two dynamics underway right now. The first, the cycle does appear to be turning. And then second, I mean, you guys do have kind of numerous company actions underway. I mean, you call that a lot of them. Your AI actions, the Coyote integration, buy rate improvements. You also have easier comps in 2026 as well. So can you speak to how and when these two dynamics can maybe start working together in 2026? Meaning, can your own actions start to offset some of the market dynamics near term, or do we need to see the market improve first? Thanks.
Speaker #6: The first, the cycle does appear to be turning, and then second, I mean, you guys do have kind of numerous company actions underway. I mean, you call that a lot of them.
Speaker #6: Your AI actions, the Coyote integration, buy rate, improvements—you also have easier comps in 2026 as well. So, can you speak to how and when these two dynamics can maybe start working together in 2026?
Speaker #6: Meaning, can your own actions start to offset some of the market dynamics near term, or do we need to see the market improve first?
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #5: Hey, Steph. It's Jared. I can—
Jared Weisfeld: Hey, Steph. It's Jared. I can start, and the rest of the team can come in. When we think about RXO entering in 2026, to your point, we're certainly seeing some positive developments as it relates to the macro. Earlier this week, Jamie talked about encouraging results from the ISM hitting its highest level in four years. We're not waiting just for the macro to turn. We do have company-specific initiatives. I would point to that late-stage pipeline that Drew just talked about, up more than 50% year-over-year with high-quality enterprise accounts, existing customers, new customers, the ability to go ahead and drive growth and resume our historical outperformance versus the truckload market. The team is very confident on executing on that pipe and resuming our truckload outperformance.
Jared Weisfeld: Hey, Steph. It's Jared. I can start, and the rest of the team can come in. When we think about RXO entering in 2026, to your point, we're certainly seeing some positive developments as it relates to the macro. Earlier this week, Jamie talked about encouraging results from the ISM hitting its highest level in four years. We're not waiting just for the macro to turn. We do have company-specific initiatives. I would point to that late-stage pipeline that Drew just talked about, up more than 50% year-over-year with high-quality enterprise accounts, existing customers, new customers, the ability to go ahead and drive growth and resume our historical outperformance versus the truckload market. The team is very confident on executing on that pipe and resuming our truckload outperformance.
Speaker #5: start. And the rest of the team can come in. When we think about RXO entering in 2026, to your point, we're certainly seeing some positive developments as it relates to the macro.
Speaker #5: Earlier this week, Jamie talked about encouraging results from the ISM hitting its highest level in four years. But we're not waiting just for the macro to turn, and we do have companies-specific initiatives.
Speaker #5: And I would point to that late-stage pipeline that Drew just talked about, up more than 50% year over year, with high-quality enterprise accounts, existing customers, new customers, the ability to go ahead and drive growth and resume our historical outperformance versus the truckload market.
Speaker #5: The team is very confident in executing on that pipe and resuming our truckload outperformance.
Speaker #6: Great. And then maybe just as one follow-up, I know that you called out a little bit of winter weather activity in the first quarter.
[Analyst] (Jefferies): Great. And then maybe just as one follow-up, I know that you called out a little bit of winter weather activity in Q1. I'm certainly very familiar with that activity. But maybe talk a little bit about any impact that could have had in Q1 thus far. Thanks.
Stephanie Moore: Great. And then maybe just as one follow-up, I know that you called out a little bit of winter weather activity in Q1. I'm certainly very familiar with that activity. But maybe talk a little bit about any impact that could have had in Q1 thus far. Thanks.
Speaker #6: I'm certainly not I'm certainly very familiar with that activity, but maybe talk a little bit about any impact that could have had in the first quarter thus far.
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #5: Yeah. Steph,
Jamie Harris: Yeah. Stephanie, it's Jamie. We did have a lot of winter weather. Southeast, Southwest had two major snow ice storms back to back, which is very unusual. We've quantified it through January to a tune of about $2 million of EBITDA impact to the negative. So it's definitely impacted.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. Stephanie, it's Jamie. We did have a lot of winter weather. Southeast, Southwest had two major snow ice storms back to back, which is very unusual. We've quantified it through January to a tune of about $2 million of EBITDA impact to the negative. So it's definitely impacted.
Speaker #5: it's Jamie. We did have some of a lot of winter weather in the southeast, southwest, had two major snow ice storms back to back, which is very unusual.
Speaker #5: We've quantified it through January to the tune of about $2 million of our EBITDA impact to the negative. So it's definitely impacted.
[Analyst] (Jefferies): Thanks, guys.
Stephanie Moore: Thanks, guys.
Speaker #4: Stephanie, just to—thanks, guys. Add to that, it's not just on the brokerage side that it impacts. If you think about the last mile section of the business, it has a huge impact there whenever driveways are iced over and you can't get into them.
Drew Wilkerson: Stephanie, just to add to that, it's not just on the brokerage side that it impacts. If you think about the last mile section of the business, it has a huge impact on there whenever driveways are iced over and you can't get into them. So the brokerage piece is one on the purchase transportation, but it also has an impact on our last mile business as well.
Drew Wilkerson: Stephanie, just to add to that, it's not just on the brokerage side that it impacts. If you think about the last mile section of the business, it has a huge impact on there whenever driveways are iced over and you can't get into them. So the brokerage piece is one on the purchase transportation, but it also has an impact on our last mile business as well.
Speaker #4: So the brokerage piece is one on the purchase transportation, but it also has an impact on our last mile business as well.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And your next question, Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Scott Group from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Scott Group from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hey, thanks. Good morning. So Drew, a couple of things. For a while, you've been saying, "Hey, once we get these tender rejections north of 10, we're going to start seeing spot volume." Why do you think it's been a couple of months spot volume?
[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): Hey, thanks. Good morning. So, Drew, a couple of things. For a while, you've been saying, "Hey, once we get these tender rejections north of 10, we're going to start seeing spot volume." Why do you think it's been a couple of months now? Why do you think we're not seeing the spot volume? And then I get LTL squeeze. I get that. What I'm not sure how to think about is if this market stays tight and we get some seasonal demand improvement, how much of a bounce in EBITDA earnings do you think is realistic as we look out a quarter or two?
Scott Group: Hey, thanks. Good morning. So, Drew, a couple of things. For a while, you've been saying, "Hey, once we get these tender rejections north of 10, we're going to start seeing spot volume." Why do you think it's been a couple of months now? Why do you think we're not seeing the spot volume? And then I get LTL squeeze. I get that. What I'm not sure how to think about is if this market stays tight and we get some seasonal demand improvement, how much of a bounce in EBITDA earnings do you think is realistic as we look out a quarter or two?
Speaker #7: And then I get one cue squeeze. I get that. What I'm not sure how to think about is if this market stays tight and we get some seasonal demand improvement, how much of a bounce in EBITDA earnings do you think is realistic as we look out a quarter or
Speaker #7: two? Yeah.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. Thanks, Scott. When you look at tender rejections being north of 10, I would say you are starting to see spots. And when you look from Q3 to Q4, you saw an increase in spot loads. And a lot of that was driven in December when you saw the tender rejections start to climb right there around 10. You saw that increase continue into January, but it has not been enough to offset the compression of what we've seen on the contractual side of the business in terms of gross profit per load. I think that we're in the early innings of continuing to see that. As you look out this week, tender rejections continue to climb.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. Thanks, Scott. When you look at tender rejections being north of 10, I would say you are starting to see spots. And when you look from Q3 to Q4, you saw an increase in spot loads. And a lot of that was driven in December when you saw the tender rejections start to climb right there around 10. You saw that increase continue into January, but it has not been enough to offset the compression of what we've seen on the contractual side of the business in terms of gross profit per load. I think that we're in the early innings of continuing to see that. As you look out this week, tender rejections continue to climb.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Scott. When you look at tender rejections being north of 10, I would say you are starting to see spots. And when you look from the third quarter to the fourth quarter, you saw an increase in spot loads.
Speaker #4: And a lot of that was driven in December when you saw the tender rejections start to climb right there around 10. You saw that increase continue into January.
Speaker #4: But it has not been enough to offset the compression of what we've seen on the contractual side of the business in terms of gross profit per load.
Speaker #4: I think that we're in the early innings of continuing to see that as you look out this week. Tender rejections what's going on on the regulatory side, we think continue to climb.
Drew Wilkerson: When you look at what's going on on the regulatory side, we think that you're setting up with any sort of demand where you're going to see 10% tender rejections climb, and the spots will be more robust. We're already starting to see it in the waterfall routing guides where it's making it past the first, second, third, fourth carrier. So you are starting to see some waterfall routing guides break down. On the impact to EBITDA, Scott, we talked about gross profit per load being more than 30% below our average, excluding the COVID highs off of that. When you look at that, we've said in the past that for every dollar that gross margin per load improves, it's well north of $1 million in EBITDA annualized. So when you think about the earnings power during a recovery, it's extremely strong.
Drew Wilkerson: When you look at what's going on on the regulatory side, we think that you're setting up with any sort of demand where you're going to see 10% tender rejections climb, and the spots will be more robust. We're already starting to see it in the waterfall routing guides where it's making it past the first, second, third, fourth carrier. So you are starting to see some waterfall routing guides break down. On the impact to EBITDA, Scott, we talked about gross profit per load being more than 30% below our average, excluding the COVID highs off of that. When you look at that, we've said in the past that for every dollar that gross margin per load improves, it's well north of $1 million in EBITDA annualized. So when you think about the earnings power during a recovery, it's extremely strong.
Speaker #4: that you're setting up with any sort of demand to where you're going to see tender rejections climb. And the When you look at spots will be more robust.
Speaker #4: We're already starting to see it in the waterfall routing guides, where it's making it past the first, second, third, fourth carrier. So you are starting to see some waterfall routing guides break down.
Speaker #4: On the impact to EBITDA, Scott, we talked about gross profit per load being more than 30% below our average excluding the COVID highs. Off of that.
Speaker #4: And when you look at that, we've said in the past that for every dollar that gross margin per load improves, it is well north of a million dollars in EBITDA annualized.
Speaker #4: So when you think about the earnings power during a recovery, it's extremely strong.
Speaker #8: Okay. Just a quick follow-up. Drew, do you can you just say, what are spot volumes tracking up or down year over year so far in Q1?
[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): Okay. Just a quick follow-up, Drew. Can you just say what are spot volumes tracking up or down year over year so far in Q1? And then maybe just, Jamie, can you just walk us through, put some takes on cash and confidence in free cash flow positive this year?
Scott Group: Okay. Just a quick follow-up, Drew. Can you just say what are spot volumes tracking up or down year over year so far in Q1? And then maybe just, Jamie, can you just walk us through, put some takes on cash and confidence in free cash flow positive this year?
Speaker #8: And then maybe just, Jamie, can you just walk us through, put some takes confidence in free cash flow positive free cash flow this year?
Speaker #4: I'll take the first part. The spots are up on a year-over-year basis as we look into January. And then I'll turn it over to
Drew Wilkerson: I'll take the first part. Spots are up on a year-over-year basis as we look into January. Then I'll turn it over to Jamie on the cash.
Drew Wilkerson: I'll take the first part. Spots are up on a year-over-year basis as we look into January. Then I'll turn it over to Jamie on the cash.
Speaker #4: Jamie on the cash. Yeah.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. Thanks, Scott. Cash, we ended the quarter 2017 maybe and had a great year from a conversion standpoint, 43%. As we look into next year or actually this year now, 2026, Q1, you heard our guide. If you take the midpoint of the guide, we'll use low single-digit amount of cash for the quarter. But I think as you look at the company over kind of the annualized basis, if you take our cash outflows, which we've given in our guide, and you just apply, let's just say, 25 EBITDA as a proxy, that ends up being in the 45% range of a free cash flow conversion. And we'd have a positive free cash flow. And if you can then extrapolate that to what the cash flow production of this company will be in an up and mid-cycle, it'll be significant. Short-term, cash is good.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. Thanks, Scott. Cash, we ended the quarter 2017 maybe and had a great year from a conversion standpoint, 43%. As we look into next year or actually this year now, 2026, Q1, you heard our guide. If you take the midpoint of the guide, we'll use low single-digit amount of cash for the quarter. But I think as you look at the company over kind of the annualized basis, if you take our cash outflows, which we've given in our guide, and you just apply, let's just say, 25 EBITDA as a proxy, that ends up being in the 45% range of a free cash flow conversion. And we'd have a positive free cash flow. And if you can then extrapolate that to what the cash flow production of this company will be in an up and mid-cycle, it'll be significant. Short-term, cash is good.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Scott. Cash, we ended the quarter 17 meeting and had a great year from a conversion standpoint, 43%. As we look into next year or actually this year now, 26, Q1, you heard our guy, if you take the midpoint of the guide, we'll use low single-digit amount of cash for the quarter.
Speaker #5: But I think as you look at the company, over to kind of the annualized basis, if you take our cash outflows, which we've given in our guide, and you just apply, let's just say, 25 EBITDA as a proxy, that ends up being in the 45% range of a free cash flow conversion.
Speaker #5: And we'd have a positive free cash flow. And if you can then extrapolate that to what the cash flow in an up and mid-cycle, you'll be significant.
Speaker #5: Short-term cash is good. We've had a good cash year, good cash quarter. But look forward to still being in that 40 to 60% conversion rate over the long term.
Jamie Harris: We've had a good cash year, good cash quarter, but look forward to still being in that 40% to 60% conversion rate over the long term.
Jamie Harris: We've had a good cash year, good cash quarter, but look forward to still being in that 40% to 60% conversion rate over the long term.
Speaker #7: So, you think you'll have positive free cash flow on a reported basis this—
[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): So you think you'll have positive free cash flow on a reported basis this year?
Scott Group: So you think you'll have positive free cash flow on a reported basis this year?
Speaker #7: Year? Obviously, it depends on where the—
Jamie Harris: It obviously depends on where the earnings line up, but absolutely, we believe it'll be a strong cash year.
Jamie Harris: It obviously depends on where the earnings line up, but absolutely, we believe it'll be a strong cash year.
Speaker #5: Earnings line up. But absolutely, we believe it’ll be a strong cash year.
Speaker #7: Okay. Thank you guys. Appreciate
[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): Okay. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.
Scott Group: Okay. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.
Speaker #7: it. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes on the line of Lucas Servera from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes on the line of Lucas Servera from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: And your next question comes on the line of Lucas Cervera from Q1 Securities. Please go
Speaker #2: ahead. Hey, guys.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Hey, guys. Good morning. Thank you for the question. So you took steps this quarter to streamline parts of Managed Transportation. How should we think about the earnings contribution from that business going forward after those changes?
Lucas Servera: Hey, guys. Good morning. Thank you for the question. So you took steps this quarter to streamline parts of Managed Transportation. How should we think about the earnings contribution from that business going forward after those changes?
Speaker #8: Good morning. Thank you for the question. So you took steps this quarter to streamline parts of managed transportation. How should we think about the earnings contribution from that business going forward after those?
Speaker #8: changes? Lucas, I don't know if I got the full
Drew Wilkerson: Lucas, I don't know if I got the full question, but I think it was on managed transportation and the earnings of that business going forward. As some of our higher EBITDA margin business comes through our managed transportation solutions business. So that's the first piece that I would say. It's measured on a net revenue basis, not a gross. So when you look at that business, we continue to grow our FUM on a year-over-year basis. But importantly for managed transportation, it's the synergy that it provides to the rest of the organization. And if our brokerage team and our last mile team have the right service, have the right rate, they've got the opportunity to grow with managed transportation as a customer. And for every new win, it doesn't just impact managed transportation. It impacts the rest of the organization.
Drew Wilkerson: Lucas, I don't know if I got the full question, but I think it was on managed transportation and the earnings of that business going forward. As some of our higher EBITDA margin business comes through our managed transportation solutions business. So that's the first piece that I would say. It's measured on a net revenue basis, not a gross. So when you look at that business, we continue to grow our FUM on a year-over-year basis. But importantly for managed transportation, it's the synergy that it provides to the rest of the organization. And if our brokerage team and our last mile team have the right service, have the right rate, they've got the opportunity to grow with managed transportation as a customer. And for every new win, it doesn't just impact managed transportation. It impacts the rest of the organization.
Speaker #4: Question, but I think it was on managed transportation and the earnings of that business going forward. As some of our higher EBITDA margin business comes through our managed trans solutions business, and so that's the first piece that I would say.
Speaker #4: It's measured on a net revenue basis, not a gross. So when you look at that business, we continue to grow our firm on a year-over-year basis.
Speaker #4: But importantly, for managed transportation, it's the synergy that it provides to the rest of the organization. And if our brokerage team and our last mile team have the right service, have the right rate, they've got the opportunity to grow with managed trans as a customer.
Speaker #4: And for every new win, it doesn't just impact managed transportation. It impacts the rest of the organization. So that's the beauty behind managed transportation is you actually get to touch a customer across multiple lines of business.
Drew Wilkerson: So that's the beauty behind managed transportation, is you actually get to touch a customer across multiple lines of business.
Drew Wilkerson: So that's the beauty behind managed transportation, is you actually get to touch a customer across multiple lines of business.
Speaker #8: Okay.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Okay. Thanks.
Lucas Servera: Okay. Thanks.
Speaker #8: Thanks. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Ari Rosa from Citi. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Ari Rosa from Citi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: And your next question comes on the line of Ari Rose from CT Group. Please go ahead.
Speaker #8: Hi. Good morning. So Drew, you've mentioned a couple of times that you expect truckload year-over-year volume out performance to improve. I'm just curious how you we be looking for from kind define outperformance in that context.
[Analyst] (Citi): Hi. Good morning. So Drew, you've mentioned a couple of times that you expect truckload year-over-year volume outperformance to improve. I'm just curious how you define outperformance in that context. What should we be looking for from kind of a pricing standpoint, from a volume standpoint, and from an EBITDA standpoint in terms of what we could be looking at for second half of the year and into 2027? Thanks.
Ari Rosa: Hi. Good morning. So Drew, you've mentioned a couple of times that you expect truckload year-over-year volume outperformance to improve. I'm just curious how you define outperformance in that context. What should we be looking for from kind of a pricing standpoint, from a volume standpoint, and from an EBITDA standpoint in terms of what we could be looking at for second half of the year and into 2027? Thanks.
Speaker #8: From a pricing standpoint, from a volume standpoint, and from an EBITDA standpoint in terms of what we could be looking at for the second half of the year and into 2027?
Speaker #8: Thanks.
Speaker #4: Yeah. So I mean, the way that you broke it
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. So I mean, the way that you broke it up was volume, pricing, and EBITDA on the outperformance. So first, on the volume side, I think there's very clear external metrics of how well you're performing versus the market. And so when we say outperforming the market, that's what we mean. External metrics is something that we've got a history of doing over the last decade-plus. We've been one of the largest share takers in the industry. And now that we've got Coyote largely integrated into RXO, we expect a return to growth mode. The pipeline supports that. What we're hearing back from customers on the win supports that. On the pricing side, I said earlier that I think that we're setting up for somewhere in that low to mid-single digits on the contractual side.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. So I mean, the way that you broke it up was volume, pricing, and EBITDA on the outperformance. So first, on the volume side, I think there's very clear external metrics of how well you're performing versus the market. And so when we say outperforming the market, that's what we mean. External metrics is something that we've got a history of doing over the last decade-plus. We've been one of the largest share takers in the industry. And now that we've got Coyote largely integrated into RXO, we expect a return to growth mode. The pipeline supports that. What we're hearing back from customers on the win supports that. On the pricing side, I said earlier that I think that we're setting up for somewhere in that low to mid-single digits on the contractual side.
Speaker #4: up was volume, pricing, and EBITDA on the outperformance. So first on the volume side, I think there's very clear external metrics of how well you're performing versus the market.
Speaker #4: And so when we say outperforming the market, that's what we mean. External of doing. Over the the largest share takers in the industry. And now that we've got Coyote largely integrated into RXO, we expect a return to growth mode.
Speaker #4: The pipeline supports that. What we're hearing back from customers on the wind supports that. On the pricing side, I said earlier that I think we're setting up for somewhere in that low- to mid-single digits on the contractual side.
Speaker #4: And what we're paying close attention to is what happens on the spot rates because those are the rates that if you've got the contractual book of business, customers understand that typically during tighter times, you see contraction on that gross profit per load where you more than make up for it on the spot side.
Drew Wilkerson: And what we're paying close attention to is what happens on the spot rates, because those are the rates that, if you've got the contractual book of business, customers understand that typically during tighter times, you see contraction on that gross profit per load, where you more than make up for it, is on the spot side. And so I expect those rates to be significantly higher. And on the EBITDA, I think it goes back to Scott's question. The biggest driver there is in gross profit per load. And so when you look at what that does, that every dollar of gross profit per load improvement on an annualized basis is well north of $1 million of EBITDA. So for us, there's a lot of earnings power behind that as we continue to improve gross profit per load.
Drew Wilkerson: And what we're paying close attention to is what happens on the spot rates, because those are the rates that, if you've got the contractual book of business, customers understand that typically during tighter times, you see contraction on that gross profit per load, where you more than make up for it, is on the spot side. And so I expect those rates to be significantly higher. And on the EBITDA, I think it goes back to Scott's question. The biggest driver there is in gross profit per load. And so when you look at what that does, that every dollar of gross profit per load improvement on an annualized basis is well north of $1 million of EBITDA. So for us, there's a lot of earnings power behind that as we continue to improve gross profit per load.
Speaker #4: So I expect those rates to be significantly higher. And on the EBITDA, I think it goes back to Scott's question. It's in the biggest driver there is in gross profit per load.
Speaker #4: And so when you look at what that does, that every dollar of gross profit per load improvement on an annualized basis is well north of a million dollars of EBITDA.
Speaker #4: So for us, there's a lot of earnings power behind that as we continue to improve gross and waiting on the market to return to improve gross profit per load either.
Drew Wilkerson: We're not just sitting and waiting on the market to return to improve Gross Profit per Load either. When you look at what we're doing on the purchased transportation side, we're expanding the utilization of private fleets. You look at the investments that we've got in AI and the way that we're sourcing capacity. We expect to continue to improve our purchased transportation versus market as well.
Drew Wilkerson: We're not just sitting and waiting on the market to return to improve Gross Profit per Load either. When you look at what we're doing on the purchased transportation side, we're expanding the utilization of private fleets. You look at the investments that we've got in AI and the way that we're sourcing capacity. We expect to continue to improve our purchased transportation versus market as well.
Speaker #4: When you look at what we're doing on the purchase utilization of private fleets, you look at the investments that we've got in AI and the way that we're sourcing capacity, we expect to continue to improve our purchase transportation versus market as well.
Speaker #8: Okay. That's helpful. And then just as a follow-up, I was hoping you could talk about the different dynamics that you're seeing in LTL versus truckload.
[Analyst] (Citi): Okay. That's helpful. And then just as a follow-up, I was hoping you could talk about the different dynamics that you're seeing in LTL versus truckload. I understand that there's some things that are unique to RXO within those numbers given kind of the evolution of the business, but we saw a similar trend from one of your main competitors who reported recently. Just talk about how those dynamics are different and why the strength is so much greater on the LTL side.
Ari Rosa: Okay. That's helpful. And then just as a follow-up, I was hoping you could talk about the different dynamics that you're seeing in LTL versus truckload. I understand that there's some things that are unique to RXO within those numbers given kind of the evolution of the business, but we saw a similar trend from one of your main competitors who reported recently. Just talk about how those dynamics are different and why the strength is so much greater on the LTL side.
Speaker #8: I understand that there's some things that are unique to RXO within those numbers given kind of the evolution of the business. But we saw a similar trend from one of your main competitors who reported recently.
Speaker #8: Just talk about how those dynamics are different and why the strength is so much greater on the LTL side.
Speaker #4: Well, I think typically when you think of LTL and the brokerage market, it's transactional loads and it's a lot driven by SMB-type customers. We built out LTL in a different way.
Drew Wilkerson: Well, I think typically when you think of LTL in the brokerage market, it's transactional loads, and it's a lot driven by SMB-type customers. We built out LTL in a different way. It was customers that we had really strong relationships with, and a lot of them of the enterprise nature. And these customers came to us and said, "LTL is a pain point. There's a lot of touches. There's a lot of different carriers. We're having to track down claims, lost shipments, and damages." And so it became more of an outsource of a piece or all of their LTL. And so when you look at our LTL, it's going to be lumpy because it depends on when the onboardings happen. You saw us onboard several large customers last year.
Drew Wilkerson: Well, I think typically when you think of LTL in the brokerage market, it's transactional loads, and it's a lot driven by SMB-type customers. We built out LTL in a different way. It was customers that we had really strong relationships with, and a lot of them of the enterprise nature. And these customers came to us and said, "LTL is a pain point. There's a lot of touches. There's a lot of different carriers. We're having to track down claims, lost shipments, and damages." And so it became more of an outsource of a piece or all of their LTL. And so when you look at our LTL, it's going to be lumpy because it depends on when the onboardings happen. You saw us onboard several large customers last year.
Speaker #4: It was customers that we had really strong relationships with and a lot of them of the enterprise nature. And these customers came to us and said, "LTL is a pain point.
Speaker #4: There's a lot of touches. There's a lot of different carriers. We're having to track down claims, lost shipments, and damages. And so, it became more of an outsource of a piece or all of their LTL.
Speaker #4: And so when you look at our LTL, it's going to be lumpy because it depends on when the onboardings happen. You saw us onboard several large customers last year.
Speaker #4: The pipeline and LTL is robust right now, but it'll depend on the timing of that as far as what that goes. On the truckload side, those bids are typically implemented throughout the second quarter.
Drew Wilkerson: The pipeline in LTL is robust right now, but it'll depend on the timing of that as far as what that goes. On the truckload side, those bids are typically implemented throughout Q2, which is why we point to the confidence being able to return to outperformance on the truckload volume around the middle of the year.
Drew Wilkerson: The pipeline in LTL is robust right now, but it'll depend on the timing of that as far as what that goes. On the truckload side, those bids are typically implemented throughout Q2, which is why we point to the confidence being able to return to outperformance on the truckload volume around the middle of the year.
Speaker #4: And which is why we point to the confidence being able to return to outperformance on the truckload volume around the middle of the year.
Speaker #8: Perfect. Okay. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Citi): Perfect. Okay. Thank you.
Ari Rosa: Perfect. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And your next question comes on the line of Ken Hoekster from Bank of America. Please go
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Ken Hoexter from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Ken Hoexter from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead.
Speaker #3: Hey, good
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Hey. Good morning, Drew and team. Drew, if we could just maybe expand on that last answer, right? So the volume's down in truckload versus peers significantly outperforming and growing. I know you talked about flipping to growth and not using price. Is this something different in your end markets that you want to highlight? I guess how should investors view the different compares we're seeing here? And then especially maybe I'll expand on that. Sorry. Just let me throw it all in at once. But in view of where your Q1 outlook, where EBITDA is getting worse sequentially, right, Q4 to Q1, and I think well below consensus. So I guess maybe just helping people understand why the differential pressure points are continuing to expand.
Ken Hoexter: Hey. Good morning, Drew and team. Drew, if we could just maybe expand on that last answer, right? So the volume's down in truckload versus peers significantly outperforming and growing. I know you talked about flipping to growth and not using price. Is this something different in your end markets that you want to highlight? I guess how should investors view the different compares we're seeing here? And then especially maybe I'll expand on that. Sorry. Just let me throw it all in at once. But in view of where your Q1 outlook, where EBITDA is getting worse sequentially, right, Q4 to Q1, and I think well below consensus. So I guess maybe just helping people understand why the differential pressure points are continuing to expand.
Speaker #3: morning, Drew and team. Drew, if we could just maybe expand on that last answer, right? So the volumes down in truckload versus peer significantly outperforming and growing.
Speaker #3: I know you talked about flipping to growth and not using price. Is this something different in your end markets that you want to highlight?
Speaker #3: I guess how should investors view the different compares we're seeing here? And then especially maybe I'll expand on that. Sorry. Just let me throw it all in at once.
Speaker #3: But the in a view of where your first quarter outlook where EBITDA is getting worse sequentially, right, fourth quarter to first quarter, and I think well below consensus.
Speaker #3: So I guess maybe just helping people understand why the differential pressure points are continuing to
Speaker #3: expand.
Speaker #4: Well, I think one, we've got to
Drew Wilkerson: I think, one, we've got to acknowledge that the peer you're referencing, C.H. Robinson, is executing well, and they had a great year last year. For us, our year was about integration and making sure that we were holding on to the people, to the customers, and integrating the technology. We executed on that strategy when you look back at 2025. When you look at integrating Coyote, we thought that we would stabilize the volume decline faster than what we did. But as you start to look at what happened in Q3 and Q4, we actually outperformed the truckload market on a sequential basis in what happened there. So I think when you look at that, we've stabilized the business, and it's returning to growth mode for us. And it's something that we have done in the past, something that we're confident in. And it's not just blind confidence.
Drew Wilkerson: I think, one, we've got to acknowledge that the peer you're referencing, C.H. Robinson, is executing well, and they had a great year last year. For us, our year was about integration and making sure that we were holding on to the people, to the customers, and integrating the technology. We executed on that strategy when you look back at 2025. When you look at integrating Coyote, we thought that we would stabilize the volume decline faster than what we did. But as you start to look at what happened in Q3 and Q4, we actually outperformed the truckload market on a sequential basis in what happened there. So I think when you look at that, we've stabilized the business, and it's returning to growth mode for us. And it's something that we have done in the past, something that we're confident in. And it's not just blind confidence.
Speaker #4: acknowledge that the peer you're referencing, CH Robinson, is executing well. And they had a great year last year. For us, our year was about integration and making sure that we were holding on to the people, to the customers, and integrating the technology.
Speaker #4: And we executed on that strategy. When you look back at at integrating Coyote, we thought that 2025, when you look we would stabilize the volume decline faster than what we did.
Speaker #4: But as you start to look at what happened in Q3 and Q4, we actually outperformed the truckload market on a sequential basis. And what happened there?
Speaker #4: So I think when you look at that, we've stabilized the business. Growth mode for us. And it's something that we’ve done in the past, something that we're confident in. And it's returning.
Speaker #4: And it's not just blind confidence. It's confidence based off of the feedback that we're getting from our customers. When you look at the last part of your question or two more parts of your question, the end markets as well as the EBITDA, the end market is a diverse pipeline.
Drew Wilkerson: It's confidence based off of the feedback that we're getting from our customers. When you look at the last part of your question or two more parts of your question, the end markets, as well as the EBITDA, the end market is a diverse pipeline, and we're touching a lot of different things. But where we're seeing some great wins is in high cargo value and technology. We've seen some recent wins come over in the automotive side, and there's a strong pipeline in industrial and manufacturing as well right now. On the EBITDA Q1, when you look at it, obviously, we've talked about the squeeze that is happening in the brokerage business. Last mile is a business that typically sequentially goes down from Q4 to Q1. That's being magnified this quarter because of the weather.
Drew Wilkerson: It's confidence based off of the feedback that we're getting from our customers. When you look at the last part of your question or two more parts of your question, the end markets, as well as the EBITDA, the end market is a diverse pipeline, and we're touching a lot of different things. But where we're seeing some great wins is in high cargo value and technology. We've seen some recent wins come over in the automotive side, and there's a strong pipeline in industrial and manufacturing as well right now. On the EBITDA Q1, when you look at it, obviously, we've talked about the squeeze that is happening in the brokerage business. Last mile is a business that typically sequentially goes down from Q4 to Q1. That's being magnified this quarter because of the weather.
Speaker #4: And we're touching a lot of different things. But where we're seeing some great wins is in high cargo value and technology. We've seen some recent wins come over in the automotive side.
Speaker #4: And there's a strong pipeline in industrial and manufacturing as well right now. On the EBITDA Q1, when you look at it, obviously, we've talked about the squeeze that is happening in the brokerage business.
Speaker #4: Last mile is a business that typically sequentially goes down from Q4 to Q1. That's being magnified this quarter because of the weather. So I think when you look at it, that's where we're pointing to towards the optimism as you start to get towards the middle of the year and you start lapping some of these
Speaker #4: Last mile is a business that typically sequentially goes down from Q4 to Q1. That's being magnified this quarter because of the weather. So I think when you look at it, that's where we're pointing towards the optimism as you start to get towards the middle of the year and you start lapping some of these things.
Drew Wilkerson: So I think when you look at it, that's when we're pointing towards the optimism as you start to get towards the middle of the year and you start lapping some of these things.
Drew Wilkerson: So I think when you look at it, that's when we're pointing towards the optimism as you start to get towards the middle of the year and you start lapping some of these things.
Speaker #3: Yeah. It seems like a gap. The restructuring costs seem to be still ramping up, maybe a little more aggressively than I would have expected.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Yeah. It seems like a gap. The restructuring costs seem to be still ramping up, maybe a little more aggressively than I would have expected. Is there maybe walk through what the costs are and where that should head?
Ken Hoexter: Yeah. It seems like a gap. The restructuring costs seem to be still ramping up, maybe a little more aggressively than I would have expected. Is there maybe walk through what the costs are and where that should head?
Speaker #3: Is there maybe walk through what the costs are and where that should
Speaker #3: head? Yeah.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. Ken, this is Jamie. So year-over-year, we do have some restructure in there. We still got some initiatives going on, but our restructure charges are actually down about 60% year-over-year. Of that number we gave, 25 to 30 for the year, about 1/3 of that relates to actions taken last year that are running through the P&L this year. So those actions, we've already talked about. And then we are a couple of initiatives. We've still got some transformation work going on where we think there's some good opportunities for process improvement. We're still not 100% done with all the technology side of the integration, so that's to come. And then we're really putting a big focus on our footprint, our real estate, and we've got some plans to consolidate even some more real estate to make us more efficient there.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. Ken, this is Jamie. So year-over-year, we do have some restructure in there. We still got some initiatives going on, but our restructure charges are actually down about 60% year-over-year. Of that number we gave, 25 to 30 for the year, about 1/3 of that relates to actions taken last year that are running through the P&L this year. So those actions, we've already talked about. And then we are a couple of initiatives. We've still got some transformation work going on where we think there's some good opportunities for process improvement. We're still not 100% done with all the technology side of the integration, so that's to come. And then we're really putting a big focus on our footprint, our real estate, and we've got some plans to consolidate even some more real estate to make us more efficient there.
Speaker #1: Ken, this is Jamie. So, year over year, we do have some restructuring there. We’ve still got some initiatives going on, but our restructuring charges are actually down about 60% year over year.
Speaker #1: Of that number we gave, 25 to 30 for the year, about a third of that relates to actions taken last year that are running through the P&L this year.
Speaker #1: So, those actions we've already talked about. And then there are a couple of initiatives. We've still got some transformation work going on, where we think there's some good opportunities for process improvement.
Speaker #1: We're still not 100% done with all the technology side of the integration. So that's to come. And then we're really putting a big focus on our footprint, our real estate, and we've got some plans to consolidate even some more real estate to make us more efficient there.
Speaker #1: And so those are the three big buckets. But keep in mind, down 60%, a third of that number that we gave as a guide is really actions that carry over from prior years.
Jamie Harris: Those are the three big buckets. Keep in mind, down 60%, 1/3 of that number that we gave as a guide is really actions that carry over from prior years. We feel like we're in a good spot, and we feel like we've got some really good initiatives that produce a good ROI on it going forward.
Jamie Harris: Those are the three big buckets. Keep in mind, down 60%, 1/3 of that number that we gave as a guide is really actions that carry over from prior years. We feel like we're in a good spot, and we feel like we've got some really good initiatives that produce a good ROI on it going forward.
Speaker #1: So, we feel like we're in a good spot, and we feel like we've got some really good initiatives that are producing good ROI on it going forward.
Speaker #3: Thank
Speaker #3: you. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Thank you.
Ken Hoexter: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes on the line of Tom Wadewitz from UBS. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes on the line of Tom Wadewitz from UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: And your next question comes on the line of Tom Weidwitz from UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hi. Yeah. Good morning. Drew, I wanted to get your thoughts on just how much visibility it's tough to have visibility in these markets. But how are you thinking about second quarter and both from a gross margin perspective and then just kind of how much visibility on improvement in loads?
[Analyst] (UBS): Yeah. Good morning, Drew. I wanted to get your thoughts on just how much, I don't know, visibility. It's tough to have visibility in these markets. But how are you thinking about Q2, both from a gross margin perspective and then just kind of how much visibility on improvement in loads? I mean, seasonally, you can see some pressure with spot rates going up in May and road check and things like that, stronger freight. So seasonality might say gross margin percent could be lower Q2, but if you get some catch-up on contract prices going up a bit, that could help. So I mean, do you think gross margin could show a little less pressure in Q2? And then I guess on the volume side, I don't necessarily recall brokers talking a lot about pipelines. I think of that for more logistics or a little longer cycle businesses.
Tom Wadewitz: Yeah. Good morning, Drew. I wanted to get your thoughts on just how much, I don't know, visibility. It's tough to have visibility in these markets. But how are you thinking about Q2, both from a gross margin perspective and then just kind of how much visibility on improvement in loads? I mean, seasonally, you can see some pressure with spot rates going up in May and road check and things like that, stronger freight. So seasonality might say gross margin percent could be lower Q2, but if you get some catch-up on contract prices going up a bit, that could help. So I mean, do you think gross margin could show a little less pressure in Q2? And then I guess on the volume side, I don't necessarily recall brokers talking a lot about pipelines. I think of that for more logistics or a little longer cycle businesses.
Speaker #4: I mean, seasonally, you can see some pressure with spot rates going up in May and road check and things like that, stronger freight. So seasonality might say gross margin percent could be lower to Q.
Speaker #4: But if you get some catch-up on contract prices going up a bit, that could help. So I mean, do you think gross margin could be show a little less pressure in QQ?
Speaker #4: And then, I guess, on the volume side, I don’t necessarily recall brokers talking a lot about pipelines. I think of that for more like logistics or a little longer-cycle businesses.
Speaker #4: But how good of an indicator do you think that is? Is that, I mean, so you're bidding on a lot more business. But are you confident that that will actually flow through?
[Analyst] (UBS): But how good of an indicator do you think that is? I mean, so you're bidding on a lot more business, but are you confident that that will actually flow through? It's just not necessarily something I don't know how good the read is from that. Thanks.
Tom Wadewitz: But how good of an indicator do you think that is? I mean, so you're bidding on a lot more business, but are you confident that that will actually flow through? It's just not necessarily something I don't know how good the read is from that. Thanks.
Speaker #4: It's just not necessarily something I I don't know how good the read is from that.
Speaker #4: Thanks. Yeah.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. Tom, I think I'll break the question up into three parts. First, on the second quarter gross margin, I think it depends on what's happening in the market and where we're sitting at in tender rejections. I think there's certainly opportunity whenever you start talking about the contractual price going up on a year-over-year basis, whenever you start talking about spot loads, there's certainly a strong opportunity there, and we're ready to execute, and we're ready to execute in any market. On the second part, on the improvement in loads, high confidence in improving loads from Q1 to Q2. On the third part, pipeline indicator. So the way that we break down the pipeline is there's a pre-pipeline. When you look at the pre-pipeline, that's what you're digesting, this all coming in from the customers, and it's big, big numbers.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. Tom, I think I'll break the question up into three parts. First, on the second quarter gross margin, I think it depends on what's happening in the market and where we're sitting at in tender rejections. I think there's certainly opportunity whenever you start talking about the contractual price going up on a year-over-year basis, whenever you start talking about spot loads, there's certainly a strong opportunity there, and we're ready to execute, and we're ready to execute in any market. On the second part, on the improvement in loads, high confidence in improving loads from Q1 to Q2. On the third part, pipeline indicator. So the way that we break down the pipeline is there's a pre-pipeline. When you look at the pre-pipeline, that's what you're digesting, this all coming in from the customers, and it's big, big numbers.
Speaker #1: Tom, I think I'll break the question up into three parts. First, on the second quarter gross margin—I think it depends on what's happening in the market and where we're sitting at in tender rejections.
Speaker #1: I think there's certainly opportunity whenever you start talking about the contractual price going up on a year-over-year basis whenever you start talking about spot loads.
Speaker #1: There's certainly a strong opportunity there. And we're ready to execute. And we're ready to execute in any market. On the second part, on the improvement in loads, high confidence in improving loads from Q1 to Q2.
Speaker #1: On the third part, pipeline indicator. So the way that we break down the pipeline is there's a pre-pipeline. And when you look at the pre-pipeline, that's what your digesting this all coming in from the customers and is big, big numbers.
Speaker #1: But that's more of what we would call a spray and pray method where you're just putting out rates. And it's seeing what comes back.
Drew Wilkerson: But that's more of what we would call a spray and pray method where you're just putting out rates and seeing what comes back. As you get into the late-stage pipeline, this is where discussions become extremely targeted. It's a lane-by-lane basis. It's the value that you're adding to the customer. It's how much capacity you have coming in to a certain inbound lane. It's how much capacity that you've got to be able to reload certain lanes. Where, whenever you're doing drop trailers, that you have trailer capacity that you're able to do. What are you able to do from a consolidation standpoint? So when we get to the late-stage pipeline, our confidence is pretty high.
Drew Wilkerson: But that's more of what we would call a spray and pray method where you're just putting out rates and seeing what comes back. As you get into the late-stage pipeline, this is where discussions become extremely targeted. It's a lane-by-lane basis. It's the value that you're adding to the customer. It's how much capacity you have coming in to a certain inbound lane. It's how much capacity that you've got to be able to reload certain lanes. Where, whenever you're doing drop trailers, that you have trailer capacity that you're able to do. What are you able to do from a consolidation standpoint? So when we get to the late-stage pipeline, our confidence is pretty high.
Speaker #1: As you get into the late-stage pipeline, this is where discussions become extremely targeted. It's a lane-by-lane basis. It's the value that you're adding to the customer.
Speaker #1: It's how much capacity you have coming into a certain inbound lane. It's how much capacity you've got to be able to reload certain lanes.
Speaker #1: We're, whenever you're doing drop trailers, that you have trailer capacity that you're able to do. What are you able to do from a consolidation standpoint?
Speaker #1: So when we get to the late-stage pipeline, our confidence is pretty
Speaker #1: high. Okay.
[Analyst] (UBS): Okay. Yeah. That's helpful. And then just one other one. On the cost side, so you've got a lot of tech initiatives happening. Is there a way to think about translating those to kind of operating cost reduction, whether that's an impact in 2026 or a kind of multi-year impact?
Tom Wadewitz: Okay. Yeah. That's helpful. And then just one other one. On the cost side, so you've got a lot of tech initiatives happening. Is there a way to think about translating those to kind of operating cost reduction, whether that's an impact in 2026 or a kind of multi-year impact?
Speaker #4: Yeah. That's helpful. And then just one other one. On the cost side, so you've got a lot of tech initiatives happening. Is there a way to think about translating those to kind of operating cost reduction?
Speaker #4: Whether that's an impact in '26, or more of a multi-year impact?
Speaker #1: Yeah. So this is Jamie. I'll start and turn it over to Jared. It definitely has from a pure cost out standpoint. So some of the things I talked about, finishing up the completing integration, totally sunsetting old systems where way down the field on that, got a little bit more work to do that we'll finish early '26.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. So this is Jamie. I'll start and turn it over to Jared. It definitely has from a pure cost-out standpoint. So some of the things I talked about, finishing up the completing integration, totally sunsetting old systems, we're way down the field on that. Got a little bit more work to do, that we'll finish early 2026. Secondly, we've got a lot of initiatives that just bring automation to the table. But all of those have good cost reductions. But Jared talked about kind of what our overall tech and overall AI strategy is. A lot of opportunity there to grow on the four pillars, and it definitely includes cost and really honed in on productivity and service.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. So this is Jamie. I'll start and turn it over to Jared. It definitely has from a pure cost-out standpoint. So some of the things I talked about, finishing up the completing integration, totally sunsetting old systems, we're way down the field on that. Got a little bit more work to do, that we'll finish early 2026. Secondly, we've got a lot of initiatives that just bring automation to the table. But all of those have good cost reductions. But Jared talked about kind of what our overall tech and overall AI strategy is. A lot of opportunity there to grow on the four pillars, and it definitely includes cost and really honed in on productivity and service.
Speaker #1: Secondly, we've got a lot of initiatives that just bring automation to the cost reductions. But Jared talked about kind table. But all of those have good of what our overall tech and AI strategy is.
Speaker #1: A lot of opportunity there to grow on the four pillars. And it definitely includes cost and really honed in on productivity and service.
Speaker #5: That's right. And Tom, when you think about the other side of this, not only is have we taken significant actions, to Jamie's point, on removing over 155 million dollars of costs post-spin, but then you organization more structurally think about leveraging technology to make the efficient?
[Company Representative] (RXO): That's right. Tom, when you think about the other side of this, not only have we taken significant actions, to Jamie's point, on removing over $155 million of costs post-spin, but then you think about leveraging technology to make the organization more structurally efficient, it's all about the incrementals. So, like we talked about earlier, how do we decouple volume growth from headcount growth? Because the incremental margins in brokerage for every dollar that comes in in gross profit can be as high as 80% in terms of flow-through to EBITDA. So making our people more productive by leveraging that tech, it's not just about the cost-outs, but it's how do we make our people more efficient to benefit from the incremental margins?
Jared Weisfeld: That's right. Tom, when you think about the other side of this, not only have we taken significant actions, to Jamie's point, on removing over $155 million of costs post-spin, but then you think about leveraging technology to make the organization more structurally efficient, it's all about the incrementals. So, like we talked about earlier, how do we decouple volume growth from headcount growth? Because the incremental margins in brokerage for every dollar that comes in in gross profit can be as high as 80% in terms of flow-through to EBITDA. So making our people more productive by leveraging that tech, it's not just about the cost-outs, but it's how do we make our people more efficient to benefit from the incremental margins?
Speaker #5: It's all about the incrementals. So like we talked about earlier, how do we decouple volume growth from headcount growth because the incremental margins in brokerage for every dollar that comes in in gross profit can be as high as 80% in terms of flow through to EBITDA?
Speaker #5: So, making our people more productive by leveraging that tech—it's not just about the cost outs, but it's: how do we make our people more efficient to benefit from the incremental margins?
Speaker #4: Okay. But there's not necessarily a frame in terms of how much cost impact this year—it's maybe more further out. We can have a little more visibility to that, I—
[Analyst] (UBS): Okay. But there's not necessarily a frame in terms of how much cost impact this year. It's maybe more further out. We can have a little more visibility to that, I guess.
Tom Wadewitz: Okay. But there's not necessarily a frame in terms of how much cost impact this year. It's maybe more further out. We can have a little more visibility to that, I guess.
Speaker #4: guess. I think that's fair.
[Company Representative] (RXO): I think that's fair. But to Jamie's point earlier, we do have some cost benefits 2026 versus 2025 based on the actions we've taken, and we continue to drive incremental productivity that we expect to benefit in 2026.
Jared Weisfeld: I think that's fair. But to Jamie's point earlier, we do have some cost benefits 2026 versus 2025 based on the actions we've taken, and we continue to drive incremental productivity that we expect to benefit in 2026.
Speaker #5: But to Jamie's point earlier, we do have some cost benefits in '26 versus '25 based on the actions we've taken. And we continue to drive incremental productivity that we expect to benefit from in 2026.
Speaker #4: Right. Okay. Thank
[Analyst] (UBS): Right. Okay. Thank you.
Tom Wadewitz: Right. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #4: you.
Speaker #2: Thank
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Speaker #6: Thanks a lot for getting me on the call this morning. Appreciate it. Maybe two quick ones for Jamie and then a strategy one for Drew.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Hey. Thanks a lot for getting me on the call this morning. Appreciate it. Maybe two quick ones for Jamie and then a strategy one for Drew. Jamie, can you just talk a little bit more about I think you said restructuring in the express service line. I don't know if that were related to maybe some of the high-value automotive stuff. So maybe you can elaborate a little bit more on that. And then what's the cash component of restructuring and integration costs for this coming year? Drew, it would be great to get your context on these customer conversations. Given the capacity squeeze we've seen here recently, is there any tilt towards asset-based carriers? Are they indicating they have any more preference to that and maybe away from brokerage, or does that not come up in these conversations? Thanks very much.
Brian Ossenbeck: Hey. Thanks a lot for getting me on the call this morning. Appreciate it. Maybe two quick ones for Jamie and then a strategy one for Drew. Jamie, can you just talk a little bit more about I think you said restructuring in the express service line. I don't know if that were related to maybe some of the high-value automotive stuff. So maybe you can elaborate a little bit more on that. And then what's the cash component of restructuring and integration costs for this coming year? Drew, it would be great to get your context on these customer conversations. Given the capacity squeeze we've seen here recently, is there any tilt towards asset-based carriers? Are they indicating they have any more preference to that and maybe away from brokerage, or does that not come up in these conversations? Thanks very much.
Speaker #6: Jamie, can you just talk a little bit more about I think you said restructuring in the express service line? I don't know if that related to maybe some of the high-value automotive stuff.
Speaker #6: So maybe you can elaborate a little bit more on that. And then what's the cash component of restructuring in integration costs for this coming year?
Speaker #6: Drew, would it be great to get your context on these customer conversations given the capacity squeeze we've seen here recently? Is there any tilt towards asset-based carriers?
Speaker #6: Are they indicating they have any more preference to that and maybe away from brokerage? Or does that not come up in these conversations? Thanks very much.
Speaker #1: Yeah. Yeah. Hey, this is Jamie. I'll start. The goodwill that you're speaking of wasn't an express service line that we had inside the managed transit.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. Yeah. Hey. This is Jamie. I'll start. The goodwill that you're speaking of wasn't an express service line that we had inside the managed transportation. We restructured how that service was delivered. We spread the customers out amongst other service lines in our business to continue to do a good job there. We had some old goodwill that related back to an acquisition that was over 10 years ago that required impairment because we restructured how we deliver that. It did not specifically relate to any of our auto business. In terms of cash and the restructuring charges for this coming year, we think kind of in the $30 million range there, half of that relates to actions taken prior to 2026. You think about we take a charge for the P&L, some of the cash flow will trail that as payout.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. Yeah. Hey. This is Jamie. I'll start. The goodwill that you're speaking of wasn't an express service line that we had inside the managed transportation. We restructured how that service was delivered. We spread the customers out amongst other service lines in our business to continue to do a good job there. We had some old goodwill that related back to an acquisition that was over 10 years ago that required impairment because we restructured how we deliver that. It did not specifically relate to any of our auto business. In terms of cash and the restructuring charges for this coming year, we think kind of in the $30 million range there, half of that relates to actions taken prior to 2026. You think about we take a charge for the P&L, some of the cash flow will trail that as payout.
Speaker #1: We restructured how that service was delivered. We spread the customers out amongst other service lines in our business to continue to do a good job there.
Speaker #1: We had some old goodwill that related back to an acquisition that was over 10 years ago that required an impairment because we restructured how we deliver that.
Speaker #1: It did not specifically relate to any of our auto business. In terms of cash and the restructuring charges for this coming year, we think kind of in the $30 million range there. Half of that relates to actions taken prior to '26.
Speaker #1: You think about we take a charge to for the P&L, some of the cash flow will trail that. It's payout. So think about half of that number is cash out related to prior years.
Jamie Harris: So think about half of that number is cash out related to prior years. And then the couple of big initiatives, footprint consolidation on our real estate and just our general restructuring, some cost savings initiatives will be the reason for the rest.
Jamie Harris: So think about half of that number is cash out related to prior years. And then the couple of big initiatives, footprint consolidation on our real estate and just our general restructuring, some cost savings initiatives will be the reason for the rest.
Speaker #1: And then the couple of big initiatives, footprint consolidation on a real estate, and just our general restructuring, some cost savings initiatives will be the reason for the
Speaker #1: rest. Yeah.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. Brian, on the context on the customer conversations that we're having, obviously, we are very bullish about what we're seeing in the late-stage pipeline. If I think of conversion from asset-based to brokers, I mean, those conversations were the conversations in the early 2000s. If you look at what's happened over the last 20 years, brokers have taken significant market share in the truckload market. It's gone from mid-single digits to the mid-20s. Right now, the conversation with customers is all about consolidating the carriers and finding the right carrier for the right load. Large brokers, financially stable brokers, offer a lot of flexibility in a market like this where you can flex capacity up and down.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. Brian, on the context on the customer conversations that we're having, obviously, we are very bullish about what we're seeing in the late-stage pipeline. If I think of conversion from asset-based to brokers, I mean, those conversations were the conversations in the early 2000s. If you look at what's happened over the last 20 years, brokers have taken significant market share in the truckload market. It's gone from mid-single digits to the mid-20s. Right now, the conversation with customers is all about consolidating the carriers and finding the right carrier for the right load. Large brokers, financially stable brokers, offer a lot of flexibility in a market like this where you can flex capacity up and down.
Speaker #3: And Brian, on the context on the customer conversations that we're having, obviously, we're very bullish about what we're seeing in the late-stage pipeline. And if I think of conversion from asset-based to brokers, I mean, those conversations were the conversations in the early 2000s.
Speaker #3: And if you look at what's happened over the last 20 years, brokers have taken significant market share in the truckload market. It's gone from mid-single digits to the mid-20s.
Speaker #3: Right now, the conversation with customers is all about consolidating the carriers and finding the right carrier for the right load. And brokers large brokers, financially stable brokers, offer a lot of flexibility in a market like this where you can flex capacity up and down.
Speaker #3: As you start to have brokers like RXO who have a strong trailer pool, we're actually able to flex capacity up and down on drop trailers and take business that was typically held by large asset-based carriers.
Drew Wilkerson: As you start to have brokers like RXO who have a strong trailer pool, we're actually able to flex capacity up and down on drop trailers and take business that was typically held by large asset-based carriers. So for us, we like the setup we're in. And as you go into a tighter market, that sets up for brokers to take more share.
Drew Wilkerson: As you start to have brokers like RXO who have a strong trailer pool, we're actually able to flex capacity up and down on drop trailers and take business that was typically held by large asset-based carriers. So for us, we like the setup we're in. And as you go into a tighter market, that sets up for brokers to take more share.
Speaker #3: So for us, we like the setup we're in. And as you go into a tighter market, that's up for that sets up for brokers to take more
Speaker #3: share. Okay.
Speaker #6: Great. Thanks, guys, for your
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Okay. Great. Thanks, guys, for your time.
Brian Ossenbeck: Okay. Great. Thanks, guys, for your time.
Speaker #6: time. Thank
Speaker #2: you. And our last question comes from the line of Bruce Chan from CFO. Please go
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Speaker #2: ahead. Hey.
Speaker #7: Good morning, team. This is Matt Mylask on for Bruce this morning. Thanks for squeezing us in here. Just piggybacking off one of the earlier questions, we're curious to what extent you believe demand recovery is ultimately needed to really drive some more spot opportunity.
Jamie Harris: Hey. Good morning, team. This is Matt Milask on for Bruce. This morning, thanks for squeezing us in here. Just piggybacking off one of the earlier questions, we're curious to what extent you believe demand recovery is ultimately needed to really drive some more spot opportunity. And I guess maybe barring that demand improvement, how much would supply need to tighten before you see the spot opportunities really flow into the business?
Bruce Chan: Hey. Good morning, team. This is Matt Milask on for Bruce. This morning, thanks for squeezing us in here. Just piggybacking off one of the earlier questions, we're curious to what extent you believe demand recovery is ultimately needed to really drive some more spot opportunity. And I guess maybe barring that demand improvement, how much would supply need to tighten before you see the spot opportunities really flow into the business?
Speaker #7: guess maybe barring that demand improvement. How much would supply need to tighten before you see the spot And I opportunities really flow into the business?
Speaker #7: guess maybe barring that demand improvement. How much would supply need to tighten before you see the spot And I opportunities really flow into the
Speaker #3: Yeah. So I think when you look at what's happening on the regulatory side, you basically gone from mid-single digit tender rejections to double-digit tender rejections with a decline in demand.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. So I think when you look at what's happening on the regulatory side, you've basically gone from mid-single digit tender rejections to double-digit tender rejections with a decline in demand. And so for the first time, you're seeing pressure on the supply side that is causing spot loads. Typically, you do need a demand-driven inflection, and demand will certainly help. We're watching a lot of the data out there. When you look at what's going on in the ISM data, when you look at what's going on from some of the reports on the home building side, when you look at where inventory levels are, demand will obviously be something that can be a catalyst there. But you've gotten to double digits of what was strictly happening off of the supply side.
Drew Wilkerson: Yeah. So I think when you look at what's happening on the regulatory side, you've basically gone from mid-single digit tender rejections to double-digit tender rejections with a decline in demand. And so for the first time, you're seeing pressure on the supply side that is causing spot loads. Typically, you do need a demand-driven inflection, and demand will certainly help. We're watching a lot of the data out there. When you look at what's going on in the ISM data, when you look at what's going on from some of the reports on the home building side, when you look at where inventory levels are, demand will obviously be something that can be a catalyst there. But you've gotten to double digits of what was strictly happening off of the supply side.
Speaker #3: And so for the first time, you're seeing pressure on the supply side that is causing spot loads. Typically, you do need a demand-driven inflection and demand will certainly help.
Speaker #3: We're watching a lot of the data out there. When you look at what's going on in the ISM data, when you look at what's going on from some of the reports on the home-building side, when you look at where inventory levels are, demand will obviously be something that can be a catalyst there.
Speaker #3: But you've gotten to double digits—that was strictly happening off of the supply side.
Speaker #7: Great. And then as a quick follow-up, if you could maybe provide sort of a diagnostic of the synergies that you expected from Coyote and if that's been sort of realized at this point, how you might bridge any differential between what expected EBITDA could have been pre-integration versus maybe where it is now.
Jamie Harris: Great. Then as a quick follow-up, if you could maybe provide sort of a diagnostic of the synergies that you expected from Coyote, and if that's been sort of realized at this point, how you might bridge any differential between what expected EBITDA could have been pre-integration versus maybe where it is now. Thanks. Yeah. So I'll take kind of where we are of 2025 and roll into 2026. We talked about around $70 million of synergies, $60 million of which was to hit OpEx, $10 million of which to hit CapEx. A majority of that has flown through the P&L in 2025. We see about an incremental $10 million of additional P&L realized in 2026 versus 2025 related to synergies alone. The other $10 million of CapEx spend, you see that coming through in our guide for CapEx in 2026.
Bruce Chan: Great. Then as a quick follow-up, if you could maybe provide sort of a diagnostic of the synergies that you expected from Coyote, and if that's been sort of realized at this point, how you might bridge any differential between what expected EBITDA could have been pre-integration versus maybe where it is now. Thanks.
Speaker #7: Thanks.
Jamie Harris: Yeah. So I'll take kind of where we are of 2025 and roll into 2026. We talked about around $70 million of synergies, $60 million of which was to hit OpEx, $10 million of which to hit CapEx. A majority of that has flown through the P&L in 2025. We see about an incremental $10 million of additional P&L realized in 2026 versus 2025 related to synergies alone. The other $10 million of CapEx spend, you see that coming through in our guide for CapEx in 2026.
Speaker #1: Yeah. So I'll take kind of where we are '25 and roll into '26. We talked about around $70 million of synergies, 60 of which was to hit OPEX, 10 of which to hit CAPEX.
Speaker #1: A majority of that has flown through the P&L in '25. We see about an incremental $10 million of additional P&L realized in '26 versus '25 related to synergies alone.
Speaker #1: The other $10 million of CAPEX spend, we see you see that coming through in our guide for CAPEX in '26. That's where we're making capital investments on kind of both legacy RXO, legacy Coyote that has now been put into one.
Jamie Harris: That's where we're making capital investments on kind of both RXO legacy and Coyote that has now been put into one. And so we continue to see those savings. They will continue throughout. They have obviously not been enough to offset the change in gross margin that we've had over the last couple of years. But we see that as really positioning the company cost-wise. When we see demand inflection, we'll see a lot of flow through the P&L.
Jamie Harris: That's where we're making capital investments on kind of both RXO legacy and Coyote that has now been put into one. And so we continue to see those savings. They will continue throughout. They have obviously not been enough to offset the change in gross margin that we've had over the last couple of years. But we see that as really positioning the company cost-wise. When we see demand inflection, we'll see a lot of flow through the P&L.
Speaker #1: And so we continue to see those savings that will continue throughout. They have obviously not been enough to offset the change in gross margin that we've had over the last couple of years.
Speaker #1: But we see that is really positioning the company cost-wise when we see demand inflection. We'll see a lot of flow through the
Speaker #1: P&L. Thank you,
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Thank you, guys.
Bruce Chan: Thank you, guys.
Speaker #7: guys.
Speaker #2: Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll hand the floor back to Drew Wilkerson for any closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll hand the floor back to Drew Wilkerson for any closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll hand the floor back to Drew Wilkerson for any closing remarks.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Ina. Our team has taken the right actions to navigate the current market conditions. We're in growth mode, and focus on converting our very strong sales pipeline.
Drew Wilkerson: Thank you, Ina. Our team has taken the right actions to navigate the current market conditions. We're in growth mode and focused on converting our very strong sales pipeline. We expect to get back to outperforming when it comes to truckload brokerage volume as early as the middle of this year. We're operating on one tech platform, which is providing better data to our people and unparalleled visibility to our customers and carriers. We're making significant investments in our technology and are seeing real results from our AI initiatives. We have a slimmer cost structure that we continue to optimize, and our capital structure provides us with more flexibility across all parts of the freight cycle. We will continue to focus on what differentiates RXO: exceptional service, comprehensive solutions, deep customer relationships, and cutting-edge technology. I remain confident in our ability to deliver outsized earnings growth over the long term.
Drew Wilkerson: Thank you, Ina. Our team has taken the right actions to navigate the current market conditions. We're in growth mode and focused on converting our very strong sales pipeline. We expect to get back to outperforming when it comes to truckload brokerage volume as early as the middle of this year. We're operating on one tech platform, which is providing better data to our people and unparalleled visibility to our customers and carriers. We're making significant investments in our technology and are seeing real results from our AI initiatives. We have a slimmer cost structure that we continue to optimize, and our capital structure provides us with more flexibility across all parts of the freight cycle. We will continue to focus on what differentiates RXO: exceptional service, comprehensive solutions, deep customer relationships, and cutting-edge technology. I remain confident in our ability to deliver outsized earnings growth over the long term.
Speaker #3: We expect to get back to outperforming when it comes to truckload brokerage volume as early as the middle of this year. We're operating on one tech platform, which is providing better data to our people and unparalleled visibility to our customers and carriers.
Speaker #3: We're making significant investments in our technology and are seeing real results from our AI initiatives. We have a slimmer cost structure that we continue to optimize and are capital structure provides us with more flexibility across all parts of the freight cycle.
Speaker #3: We will continue to focus on what differentiates RXO, exceptional service, comprehensive solutions, deep customer relationships, and cutting-edge technology. Our remain confident in our ability to deliver outsized earnings growth over the long term.
Speaker #3: Thank you all for your time today, and we look forward to seeing you at the upcoming investor conferences.
Drew Wilkerson: Thank you all for your time today, and we look forward to seeing you at the upcoming investor conferences.
Drew Wilkerson: Thank you all for your time today, and we look forward to seeing you at the upcoming investor conferences.
Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.
Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.
