Q4 2025 Plaza Retail REIT Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Good morning. I would like to welcome everyone to the Plaza Retail Rate Fourth Quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
Speaker #3: Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time for you to queue up for questions. If anyone has any difficulties hearing the conference, please press star 0 for operator assistance at any time.
Speaker #3: I would like to advise everyone that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Kim Strange, Plaza's general counsel and secretary.
Speaker #3: Please go ahead, Ms. Strange.
Kim Slaney: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on our Q4 2025 Results Conference Call. Before we begin, we are obliged to advise you that in talking about our financial and operating performance and in responding to questions today, we may make forward-looking statements, including statements concerning Plaza's objectives and strategies to achieve them, statements with respect to our plans, estimates, and intentions, or statements concerning anticipated future events, results, circumstances, or performance that are not historical facts. These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the conclusions in these forward-looking statements.
Kim Strange: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on our Q4 2025 Results Conference Call. Before we begin, we are obliged to advise you that in talking about our financial and operating performance and in responding to questions today, we may make forward-looking statements, including statements concerning Plaza's objectives and strategies to achieve them, statements with respect to our plans, estimates, and intentions, or statements concerning anticipated future events, results, circumstances, or performance that are not historical facts. These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the conclusions in these forward-looking statements.
Speaker #4: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on our Q4 2025 results conference call. Before we begin, we are obliged to advise you that in talking about our financial and operating performance, and in responding to questions today, we may make forward-looking statements, including statements concerning Plaza's objectives and strategies to achieve them, statements with respect to our plans, estimates, and intentions, or statements regarding results, circumstances, or performance that are not historical facts.
Speaker #4: These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions, and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the conclusions in these forward-looking statements.
Kim Slaney: Additional information on the risks that could impact our actual results and the expectations and assumptions we applied in making forward-looking statements can be found in Plaza's most recent annual information form for the year ended 31 December 2024, and management's discussion and analysis for the Q4 ended 31 December 2025, which are available on our website at www.plaza.ca and on SEDAR+ at www.sedarplus.ca. We will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures widely used in the Canadian real estate industry, including FFO, AFFO, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, NOI, and same-asset NOI. Plaza believes these financial measures provide useful information to both management and investors in measuring the financial performance and financial condition of the trust. These financial measures do not have any standardized definitions prescribed by IFRS and may not be comparable to similar titled measures reported by other real estate investment trusts or entities.
Kim Strange: Additional information on the risks that could impact our actual results and the expectations and assumptions we applied in making forward-looking statements can be found in Plaza's most recent annual information form for the year ended 31 December 2024, and management's discussion and analysis for the Q4 ended 31 December 2025, which are available on our website at www.plaza.ca and on SEDAR+ at www.sedarplus.ca. We will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures widely used in the Canadian real estate industry, including FFO, AFFO, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, NOI, and same-asset NOI. Plaza believes these financial measures provide useful information to both management and investors in measuring the financial performance and financial condition of the trust. These financial measures do not have any standardized definitions prescribed by IFRS and may not be comparable to similar titled measures reported by other real estate investment trusts or entities.
Speaker #4: Additional information on the risks that could impact our actual results, and the expectations and assumptions we applied in making forward-looking statements, can be found in Plaza's most recent Annual Information Form for the year ended December 31, 2024, and Management's Discussion and Analysis for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2025, which are available on our website at www.plaza.ca and on Cedar Plus at www.cedarplus.ca.
Speaker #4: We will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures widely used in the Canadian real estate industry, including FFO, AFFO, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, NOI, and same asset NOI.
Speaker #4: Plaza believes these financial measures provide useful information to both management and investors in measuring the financial performance and financial condition of the trust. These financial measures do not have any standardized definitions prescribed by IFRS, and may not be comparable to similar titled measures reported by other real estate investment trusts or entities.
Kim Slaney: They should be considered as supplemental in nature and not as a substitute for related financial information prepared in accordance with IFRS. For definitions of these financial measures and where to find reconciliations thereof, please refer to part seven of our MD&A for the Q4 ended 31 December 2025, under the heading Explanation of Non-GAAP Financial Measures. I will now turn the call over to Jason Parravano, Plaza's President and CEO. Jason.
Kim Strange: They should be considered as supplemental in nature and not as a substitute for related financial information prepared in accordance with IFRS. For definitions of these financial measures and where to find reconciliations thereof, please refer to part seven of our MD&A for the Q4 ended 31 December 2025, under the heading Explanation of Non-GAAP Financial Measures. I will now turn the call over to Jason Parravano, Plaza's President and CEO. Jason.
Speaker #4: They should be considered as supplemental in nature and not as a substitute for related financial information prepared in accordance with IFRS. For definitions of these financial measures and where to find reconciliations thereof, please refer to Part 7 of our MD&A for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2025, under the heading Explanation of non-GAAP financial measures.
Speaker #4: I will now turn the call over to Jason Paravano, Plaza's president and CEO. Jason?
Jason Parravano: Thank you, Kim. Good morning, everyone. 2025 was a year that reinforced why Plaza's strategy works. In a market defined by cautious consumers, uneven economic signals, and still elevated costs of capital and construction, our portfolio continued to demonstrate the durability of essential needs retail, backed by disciplined execution and a fully internalized operating platform. We remained focused on optimization and intensification while continuing to benefit from steady operating fundamentals and a portfolio concentrated in non-discretionary retail. This combination delivered another year of growth. Total FFO increased to CAD 44 million or CAD 0.395 per unit, compared to CAD 40.5 million or CAD 0.363 per unit in 2024, an 8.8% improvement.
Jason Parravano: Thank you, Kim. Good morning, everyone. 2025 was a year that reinforced why Plaza's strategy works. In a market defined by cautious consumers, uneven economic signals, and still elevated costs of capital and construction, our portfolio continued to demonstrate the durability of essential needs retail, backed by disciplined execution and a fully internalized operating platform. We remained focused on optimization and intensification while continuing to benefit from steady operating fundamentals and a portfolio concentrated in non-discretionary retail. This combination delivered another year of growth. Total FFO increased to CAD 44 million or CAD 0.395 per unit, compared to CAD 40.5 million or CAD 0.363 per unit in 2024, an 8.8% improvement.
Speaker #5: Thank you, Kim. Good morning, everyone. 2025 was a year that reinforced why Plaza's strategy works. In a market defined by cautious consumers, uneven economic signals, and still elevated costs of capital and construction, our portfolio continued to demonstrate the durability of essential needs retail backed by disciplined execution and fully internalized and a fully internalized operating platform.
Speaker #5: We remained focused on optimization and intensification while continuing to benefit from steady operating fundamentals and a portfolio concentrated in non-discretionary retail. This combination delivered another year of growth.
Speaker #5: Total FFO increased to 44 million, or 39.5 cents per unit, compared to 40.5 million, or 36.3 cents per unit in 2024, and 8.8% improvement.
Jason Parravano: There are a few one-time items that cloud those results, so I figured I would provide an explanation on how to normalize our solid performance for the year. If you exclude CAD 123,000 of reorganization costs, CAD 425,000 related to a change in bonus accrual timing, and CAD 544,000 of bad debt tied to Toys R Us insolvency in 2025, and exclude CAD 2.7 million in reorganization costs for 2024, FFO per unit would have increased approximately 4.5% year-over-year. This performance reflects the strength of our portfolio and the disciplined execution of our strategy, which we have been pursuing for the last year.
Jason Parravano: There are a few one-time items that cloud those results, so I figured I would provide an explanation on how to normalize our solid performance for the year. If you exclude CAD 123,000 of reorganization costs, CAD 425,000 related to a change in bonus accrual timing, and CAD 544,000 of bad debt tied to Toys R Us insolvency in 2025, and exclude CAD 2.7 million in reorganization costs for 2024, FFO per unit would have increased approximately 4.5% year-over-year. This performance reflects the strength of our portfolio and the disciplined execution of our strategy, which we have been pursuing for the last year.
Speaker #5: There are a few one-time items that cloud those results, so I figured I would provide an explanation on how to normalize our solid performance for the year.
Speaker #5: If you exclude 123,000 of your organization costs, 425,000 related to a change in bonus accrual timing, and 544,000 of bad debt tied to Toys R Us insolvency in 2025, and exclude 2.7 million in reorganization costs for 2024, FFO per unit would have increased approximately 4.5% year over year.
Speaker #5: This performance reflects the strength of our portfolio and the disciplined execution of our strategy, which we have been pursuing for the last year. The main driver behind this growth comes from higher NOI from same asset growth, which highlights our ability to complete many optimization projects as well as acquisitions and intensifications.
Jason Parravano: The main driver behind this growth comes from higher NOI from same asset growth, which highlights our ability to complete many optimization projects as well as acquisitions and intensifications. Leasing fundamentals remain robust, with blended leasing spreads of 13.4% over the renewal term. Notably, our leasing spreads on negotiated renewals over the renewal term were just over 18%. This underscores our ability to drive value from the existing portfolio and demonstrates the favorable delta between our in-place and market rents. Our committed occupancy remains at an all-time high of 97.6%. We also have an active lease pending, a pending condition, which will increase that committed occupancy number to 98% in the coming days. Excluding enclosed malls, our occupancy rate climbs even higher and is near perfect at 99%.
Jason Parravano: The main driver behind this growth comes from higher NOI from same asset growth, which highlights our ability to complete many optimization projects as well as acquisitions and intensifications. Leasing fundamentals remain robust, with blended leasing spreads of 13.4% over the renewal term. Notably, our leasing spreads on negotiated renewals over the renewal term were just over 18%. This underscores our ability to drive value from the existing portfolio and demonstrates the favorable delta between our in-place and market rents. Our committed occupancy remains at an all-time high of 97.6%. We also have an active lease pending, a pending condition, which will increase that committed occupancy number to 98% in the coming days. Excluding enclosed malls, our occupancy rate climbs even higher and is near perfect at 99%.
Speaker #5: Leasing fundamentals remain robust, blended leasing spreads of 13.4% over the renewal term. Notably, our leasing spreads on negotiated renewals over the renewal term were just over 18%.
Speaker #5: This underscores our ability to drive value from the existing portfolio and demonstrates the favorable delta between our in-place and market rents. Our committed optimacy remains at an all-time high of 97.6%.
Speaker #5: We also have an active lease pending attending condition, which will increase that committed occupancy number to 98% in the coming days. Excluding enclosed malls, our occupancy rate climbs even higher and is near perfect at 99%.
Jason Parravano: These metrics continue to reflect all-time high performance levels, reinforcing sustained tenant demand and the strategic positioning in our portfolio in markets characterized by limited retail supply. As renewals continue to take effect during the year, we expect continued positive impact on same-property NOI, completed by contributions from intensification and optimization projects currently underway across the portfolio. On the value creation side of the business, our intensification, development, and consolidation initiatives added approximately CAD 5.5 million of NOI in 2025, reinforcing our strategy of extracting embedded growth from within the existing portfolio while maintaining capital discipline. Total NOI for the year was CAD 77 million, representing growth of 2.7% compared to 2024. We also advanced and completed several projects that should contribute more visibly in 2026 and beyond.
Jason Parravano: These metrics continue to reflect all-time high performance levels, reinforcing sustained tenant demand and the strategic positioning in our portfolio in markets characterized by limited retail supply. As renewals continue to take effect during the year, we expect continued positive impact on same-property NOI, completed by contributions from intensification and optimization projects currently underway across the portfolio. On the value creation side of the business, our intensification, development, and consolidation initiatives added approximately CAD 5.5 million of NOI in 2025, reinforcing our strategy of extracting embedded growth from within the existing portfolio while maintaining capital discipline. Total NOI for the year was CAD 77 million, representing growth of 2.7% compared to 2024. We also advanced and completed several projects that should contribute more visibly in 2026 and beyond.
Speaker #5: These metrics continue to reflect all-time high performance levels, reinforcing sustained tenant demand and the strategic positioning in our portfolio in markets characterized by limited retail supply.
Speaker #5: As renewals continue to take effect during the year, we expect continued positive impact on same property NOI, completed by contributions from intensification and optimization projects currently underway across the portfolio.
Speaker #5: On the value creation side of the business, our intensification development and consolidation initiatives added approximately 5.5 million of NOI in 2025, reinforcing our strategy of extracting embedded growth from within the existing portfolio while maintaining capital discipline.
Speaker #5: Total NOI for the year was 77 million, representing growth of 2.7% compared to 2024. We also advanced and completed several projects that should contribute more visibly in 2026 and beyond.
Jason Parravano: During the year, we handed over multiple spaces to Loblaws and other key tenants for fit outs and construction across select properties. As these locations open and stabilize, we expect their contribution to become more apparent through 2026. As we have noted previously, optimization work can create timing-related noise in AFFO, but this work supports FFO growth and long-term value creation. Stepping back, our portfolio today spans 191 properties, totaling approximately 8.8 million sq ft across Canada, with a strong concentration in open-air centers and small box formats leased predominantly to national tenants serving the essential needs, value, and convenience segment. This focus continues to underpin stable demand and attractive reinvestment opportunities across our markets.
Jason Parravano: During the year, we handed over multiple spaces to Loblaws and other key tenants for fit outs and construction across select properties. As these locations open and stabilize, we expect their contribution to become more apparent through 2026. As we have noted previously, optimization work can create timing-related noise in AFFO, but this work supports FFO growth and long-term value creation. Stepping back, our portfolio today spans 191 properties, totaling approximately 8.8 million sq ft across Canada, with a strong concentration in open-air centers and small box formats leased predominantly to national tenants serving the essential needs, value, and convenience segment. This focus continues to underpin stable demand and attractive reinvestment opportunities across our markets.
Speaker #5: During the year, we handed over multiple spaces to Loblaws and other key tenants for fit-ups and construction across select properties. As these locations open and stabilize, we expect their contribution to become more apparent through 2026.
Speaker #5: As we have noted previously, optimization work can create timing-related noise in AFFO, but this work supports FFO growth and long-term value creation. Stepping back, our portfolio today spans 191 properties, totaling approximately 8.8 million square feet across Canada, with a strong concentration in open-air centers and small box format leased small box formats leased predominantly to national tenants serving the essential needs value and convenience segment.
Speaker #5: This focus continues to underpin stable demand and attractive reinvestment opportunities across our markets. In 2026, our priorities are clear. Continue executing on optimizations and intensifications already in motion, drive leasing spreads where we see embedded mark-to-market, and prudently allocate capital to the highest return opportunities within our pipeline.
Jason Parravano: In 2026, our priorities are clear: continue executing on optimizations and intensifications already in motion, drive leasing spreads where we see embedded mark to market, and prudently allocate capital to the highest return opportunities within our pipeline. We remain disciplined. We remain focused on retail. We know it well, and we remain committed to long-term value creation for our unitholders, our tenants, and the communities we serve. With that, I'll turn it over to Jim to take you through the financials in more detail.
Jason Parravano: In 2026, our priorities are clear: continue executing on optimizations and intensifications already in motion, drive leasing spreads where we see embedded mark to market, and prudently allocate capital to the highest return opportunities within our pipeline. We remain disciplined. We remain focused on retail. We know it well, and we remain committed to long-term value creation for our unitholders, our tenants, and the communities we serve. With that, I'll turn it over to Jim to take you through the financials in more detail.
Speaker #5: We remain disciplined. We remain focused on retail. We know it well. And we remain committed to long-term value creation for our unitholders, our tenants, and the communities we serve.
Speaker #5: With that, I'll turn it over to Jim to take you through the financials in more detail.
Kim Slaney: Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone. I will expand on a few of Jason's comments and highlight our results. Within the total NOI growth that Jason mentioned, Same-Asset NOI increased to 1.1% for the quarter, 1.7% for the year.
Jim Drake: Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone. I will expand on a few of Jason's comments and highlight our results. Within the total NOI growth that Jason mentioned, Same-Asset NOI increased to 1.1% for the quarter, 1.7% for the year.
Speaker #6: Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone. I will expand on a few of Jason's comments and highlight our results. Within the total NOI growth that Jason mentioned, same asset NOI increased 1.1% for the quarter, 1.7% for the year.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): Excluding bad debt related to the Toys R Us insolvency, Same-Asset NOI would have increased 2.2% for the quarter, 2.5% for the year. In addition to the FFO growth Jason noted, AFFO per unit also increased 4.9%. Although our optimization program has a temporary impact on AFFO, which included CAD 2.1 million of leasing costs related to that program, the result is improved asset quality and increased revenues. On the balance sheet, our Debt-to-Assets Ratio is down 60 basis points versus last year at 50% excluding land leases. Net Debt to Adjusted EBITDA was 8.9x, 20 basis points lower than last year given the EBITDA growth and reorganization costs incurred last year.
Jim Drake: Excluding bad debt related to the Toys R Us insolvency, Same-Asset NOI would have increased 2.2% for the quarter, 2.5% for the year. In addition to the FFO growth Jason noted, AFFO per unit also increased 4.9%. Although our optimization program has a temporary impact on AFFO, which included CAD 2.1 million of leasing costs related to that program, the result is improved asset quality and increased revenues. On the balance sheet, our Debt-to-Assets Ratio is down 60 basis points versus last year at 50% excluding land leases. Net Debt to Adjusted EBITDA was 8.9x, 20 basis points lower than last year given the EBITDA growth and reorganization costs incurred last year.
Speaker #6: Excluding bad debt related to the Toys R Us insolvency, same asset NOI would have increased 2.2% for the quarter, 2.5% for the year. In addition to the FFO growth Jason noted, AFFO per unit also increased 4.9%.
Speaker #6: Although our optimization program has a temporary impact on AFFO, which included 2.1 million of leasing costs related to that program, the result is improved asset quality, and increased revenues.
Speaker #6: On the balance sheet, our debt-to-assets ratio is down 60 bips versus last year, at 50% excluding land leases. Net debt-to-adjusted EBITDA was 8.9 times, 20 bips lower than last year, given EBITDA growth and reorganization costs incurred last year.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): We maintain a balanced mortgage maturity ladder with CAD 63 million of fixed-rate mortgages maturing next year at a weighted average rate of 3.4% and overall Loan-to-Value of 42%. We continue to see strong interest in our mortgage offerings with all-in rates in the low 4% to low 5% range. In addition to the lease renewal spreads Jason spoke about, we also introduced a new leasing spread. The new leasing spread represents rent in year 1 of the new lease versus the expiring rent for the previous tenant if that previous tenant was in place within the last 12 months. The new leasing spread for the year was 82%. This significant spread further highlights the impact from our optimization program. The optimization program also increases asset quality, as does our non-core asset sales and consolidation programs.
Jim Drake: We maintain a balanced mortgage maturity ladder with CAD 63 million of fixed-rate mortgages maturing next year at a weighted average rate of 3.4% and overall Loan-to-Value of 42%. We continue to see strong interest in our mortgage offerings with all-in rates in the low 4% to low 5% range. In addition to the lease renewal spreads Jason spoke about, we also introduced a new leasing spread. The new leasing spread represents rent in year 1 of the new lease versus the expiring rent for the previous tenant if that previous tenant was in place within the last 12 months. The new leasing spread for the year was 82%. This significant spread further highlights the impact from our optimization program. The optimization program also increases asset quality, as does our non-core asset sales and consolidation programs.
Speaker #6: We maintain a balanced mortgage maturity ladder, with 63 million of fixed-rate mortgages maturing next year, at a rated average rate of 3.4%, and overall loan-to-value of 42%.
Speaker #6: We continue to see strong interest in our mortgage offerings, with all-in rates in the low 4s to low 5% range. In addition to the lease renewal spreads Jason spoke about, we also introduced a new leasing spread.
Speaker #6: The new leasing spread represents rent in year one of the new lease, versus the expiring rent for the previous tenant, if that previous tenant was in place within the last 12 months.
Speaker #6: The new leasing spread for the year was 82%. This significant spread further highlights the impact from our optimization program. The optimization program also increases asset quality, as does our non-core asset sales, and consolidation programs.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): We sold 21 properties during the year, generally QSRs and some small single-tenant assets, and replaced them under our consolidation program with a 50% interest in a grocery anchored property in Halifax and a 75% interest in three freestanding Shoppers Drug Marts in Ontario. In both cases, we now own 100% of the assets. Finally, for the fair value of our investment properties, we took a CAD 14 million write-up during the quarter on increased stabilized NOIs, new appraisals, and cap rate compression. Our weighted average cap rate is now 6.8%. Those are the key points for the quarter and year. We will now open the lines for any questions. Operator?
Jim Drake: We sold 21 properties during the year, generally QSRs and some small single-tenant assets, and replaced them under our consolidation program with a 50% interest in a grocery anchored property in Halifax and a 75% interest in three freestanding Shoppers Drug Marts in Ontario. In both cases, we now own 100% of the assets. Finally, for the fair value of our investment properties, we took a CAD 14 million write-up during the quarter on increased stabilized NOIs, new appraisals, and cap rate compression. Our weighted average cap rate is now 6.8%. Those are the key points for the quarter and year. We will now open the lines for any questions. Operator?
Speaker #6: We sold 21 properties during the year, generally QSRs and some small single-tenant assets, and replaced them under our consolidation program with a 50% interest in a grocery-anchored property in Halifax, and a 75% interest in three freestanding Shoppers Drug Marts in Ontario.
Speaker #6: In both cases, we now own 100% of the assets. Finally, for the fair value of our investment properties, we took a 14 million write-up during the quarter, on increased stabilized NOIs, new appraisals, and cap rate compression.
Speaker #6: Our weighted average cap rate is now 6.8%. Those are the key points for the quarter and year. We will now open the lines for any questions.
Speaker #6: Operator?
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct a question and answer session. If you have a question, please press the star key followed by the 1 on your touch tone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Your questions will be pulled in the order they are received. If you would like to decline from the polling process, please press star followed by 2. Please ensure you lift the handset if you are using a speakerphone before pressing any keys. 1 moment please for your first question. The first question comes from Mark Rothschild at Canaccord. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct a question and answer session. If you have a question, please press the star key followed by the 1 on your touch tone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Your questions will be pulled in the order they are received. If you would like to decline from the polling process, please press star followed by 2. Please ensure you lift the handset if you are using a speakerphone before pressing any keys. 1 moment please for your first question. The first question comes from Mark Rothschild at Canaccord. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question-and-answer session. If you have a question, please press the star key followed by the one on your touchtone phone.
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Speaker #1: Please ensure you lift the handset if you are using a speakerphone before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. The first question comes from Mark Rothschild at Canaccord.
Mark Rothschild: Thanks, good morning, everyone. looking at the leasing spreads you achieved in the past year and the same property NOI growth you would have achieved not for the Toys R Us issues, is it reasonable to expect that 2.5% is probably a good number to look at for this year? Maybe just a general run rate that could be achievable for the foreseeable future.
Mark Rothschild: Thanks, good morning, everyone. looking at the leasing spreads you achieved in the past year and the same property NOI growth you would have achieved not for the Toys R Us issues, is it reasonable to expect that 2.5% is probably a good number to look at for this year? Maybe just a general run rate that could be achievable for the foreseeable future.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Thanks, and good morning, everyone. Looking at the leasing spread you've achieved in the past year, and the same-property NOI growth you would have achieved if not for the Toys 'R' Us issues.
Speaker #5: Is it reasonable to expect that 2.5% is probably a good number to look at for this year and maybe just a general run rate that you could be achievable for the foreseeable future?
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): Mark, it's Jason. Good morning. I believe 2 to 2.5% is achievable, for the foreseeable future, taking into consideration timing impacts and any, you know, unforeseens that could happen in the portfolio. Yes, that makes a lot of sense.
Jim Drake: Mark, it's Jason. Good morning. I believe 2 to 2.5% is achievable, for the foreseeable future, taking into consideration timing impacts and any, you know, unforeseens that could happen in the portfolio. Yes, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker #6: Hi, Mark. It's Jason. Good morning. I believe 2 to 2.5% is achievable for the foreseeable future, taking into consideration timing impacts and any unforeseens that could happen in the portfolio.
Speaker #6: But yes, that makes a lot of sense.
Mark Rothschild: In regards to space that has been vacated recently, and obviously it's not a huge number, but, how is the leasing going? Should we expect anything notably different on the leasing spreads?
Mark Rothschild: In regards to space that has been vacated recently, and obviously it's not a huge number, but, how is the leasing going? Should we expect anything notably different on the leasing spreads?
Speaker #5: And in regards to space that has been vacated recently, and obviously, it's not a huge number, but how is the leasing going? And should we expect anything notably different on the leasing spreads?
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): No. Again, with respect to like our optimization projects, that's space that we would be forcing tenants to vacate and that would impact our new leasing spreads. With respect to renewals or tenants that are in place, we currently have in our open airstrip portfolio, call it somewhere around 70 to 100,000 sq ft of vacancy. With respect to that space, we're working towards signing documents on probably a third of it, while actively trying to lease the balance. It's made up of a bunch of little units across the portfolio. I would say that, you know, where we're at today on an occupancy level is probably the highest you're going to get, just given the fact that there's always space that's going to roll.
Jim Drake: No. Again, with respect to like our optimization projects, that's space that we would be forcing tenants to vacate and that would impact our new leasing spreads. With respect to renewals or tenants that are in place, we currently have in our open airstrip portfolio, call it somewhere around 70 to 100,000 sq ft of vacancy. With respect to that space, we're working towards signing documents on probably a third of it, while actively trying to lease the balance. It's made up of a bunch of little units across the portfolio. I would say that, you know, where we're at today on an occupancy level is probably the highest you're going to get, just given the fact that there's always space that's going to roll.
Speaker #6: No. So again, with respect to our optimization projects, that space that we would be forcing tenants to vacate, and that would impact our new leasing spreads.
Speaker #6: With respect to renewals or tenants that are in place, we currently have in our open-air strip portfolio call it somewhere around 70 to 100 thousand square feet of vacancy.
Speaker #6: And with respect to that space, we're working towards signing documents on probably a third of it, while actively trying to lease the balance. And it's made up of a bunch of little units across the portfolio.
Speaker #6: But I would say that where we're at today on an occupancy level is probably the highest you're going to get just given the fact that there's always space that's going to roll.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): What we've seen as a trend over the last 2 years or so is we always have approximately 75 to 125,000 sq ft in our open airstrips that's constantly rolling. It's those mom-and-pop tenants that are in and out and replacing them with new ones.
Jim Drake: What we've seen as a trend over the last 2 years or so is we always have approximately 75 to 125,000 sq ft in our open airstrips that's constantly rolling. It's those mom-and-pop tenants that are in and out and replacing them with new ones.
Speaker #6: And what we've seen as a trend over the last two years or so is we always have approximately 75 to 125 thousand square feet in our open-air strips that's constantly rolling, and it's those mom-and-pop tenants that are in and out and replacing them with new ones.
Mark Rothschild: Okay, great. Thanks. maybe just one more from me on the development projects. Is it reasonable to expect, most of these projects to be completed over the next year or so? As, some of them I guess are longer term, but maybe what's the timing of all that?
Mark Rothschild: Okay, great. Thanks. maybe just one more from me on the development projects. Is it reasonable to expect, most of these projects to be completed over the next year or so? As, some of them I guess are longer term, but maybe what's the timing of all that?
Speaker #5: Okay. Great. Thanks. Maybe just one more from me on the development projects. Is it reasonable to expect most of these projects to be completed over the next year or so?
Speaker #5: Some of them are, I guess, longer term, but maybe what's the timing of all that?
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): We're in the project of completing a large development, greenfield development project right now in Welland, Ontario, and we're handing over space to the tenants, as soon as we complete asphalt, probably closer to mid-April, end of April. While we have other projects, notably our greenfield project in Galway, which we're working through a couple of additions this summer on space, and working towards
Jim Drake: We're in the project of completing a large development, greenfield development project right now in Welland, Ontario, and we're handing over space to the tenants, as soon as we complete asphalt, probably closer to mid-April, end of April. While we have other projects, notably our greenfield project in Galway, which we're working through a couple of additions this summer on space, and working towards
Speaker #6: So we're in the project of completing a large development, Greenfield development project right now, and well in Ontario. And we're handing over space to the tenants as soon as we complete asphalt, probably closer to the mid-April, end of April.
Speaker #6: While we have other projects notably our Greenfield project in Galway, which we're working through a couple of additions this summer on space. And working towards further building out that final phase of that project or the final material phase of that project closer to 2028.
Jason Parravano: further building out that, final phase of that project or the final material phase of that project closer to 2028.
Jason Parravano: further building out that, final phase of that project or the final material phase of that project closer to 2028.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): Okay, great. Thanks so much. I'll turn it back.
Jim Drake: Okay, great. Thanks so much. I'll turn it back.
Jason Parravano: Thanks, Mark.
Jason Parravano: Thanks, Mark.
Speaker #5: Okay. Great. Thanks so much. I'll turn it back.
Operator: Thank you. The next question comes from Lorne Kalmar with Desjardins. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. The next question comes from Lorne Kalmar with Desjardins. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Thanks, Mark.
Speaker #1: Thank you. The next question comes from Lauren Kallamar with Desjardins. Please go ahead.
Lorne Kalmar: Thanks. Good morning. Just quickly on the Toys R Us vacancy, can you remind us of the NOI impact there and if that was already fully felt in Q4 or if you'll feel a little bit of that, or rather we should take a little bit off in Q1?
Lorne Kalmar: Thanks. Good morning. Just quickly on the Toys R Us vacancy, can you remind us of the NOI impact there and if that was already fully felt in Q4 or if you'll feel a little bit of that, or rather we should take a little bit off in Q1?
Speaker #5: Thanks. Good morning. Just quickly on the toys vacancy, can you remind us of the NOI impact there and if that was already fully felt in 4Q or if you'll feel a little bit of that or rather we should take a little bit off in Q1?
Jason Parravano: You're gonna have to take off a bit of it in Q1 and Q2 as we work towards leasing it up. That's approximately CAD 1 million a year of NOI. That would be the base and the additional rents that were collected on that tenant. It's about 35,000 square feet.
Jason Parravano: You're gonna have to take off a bit of it in Q1 and Q2 as we work towards leasing it up. That's approximately CAD 1 million a year of NOI. That would be the base and the additional rents that were collected on that tenant. It's about 35,000 square feet.
Speaker #6: You're going to have to take off a bit of it in Q1 and Q2 as we work towards leasing it up. So that's approximately a million dollars a year of NOI, so that would be the base and the additional rents that were collected on that tenant.
Speaker #6: It's about 35,000 square feet.
Lorne Kalmar: Oh, okay. Just in terms of backfilling that, how is that progressing?
Lorne Kalmar: Oh, okay. Just in terms of backfilling that, how is that progressing?
Speaker #5: Oh, okay. And then just in terms of backfilling that, how is that progressing?
Jason Parravano: Working on a few options. There is demand for that space. You can imagine the notable suspects who are approximately 30 to 35,000 square feet.
Jason Parravano: Working on a few options. There is demand for that space. You can imagine the notable suspects who are approximately 30 to 35,000 square feet.
Speaker #6: We’re working on a few options. There is demand for that space. You can imagine the notable suspects who are approximately 30,000 to 35,000 square feet.
Lorne Kalmar: Okay.
Lorne Kalmar: Okay.
Jason Parravano: It doesn't happen overnight. We're working towards, hopefully leasing that up on the back end of 2026.
Jason Parravano: It doesn't happen overnight. We're working towards, hopefully leasing that up on the back end of 2026.
Speaker #6: It doesn't happen overnight. So we're working towards hopefully leasing that up on the back end of 2026.
Lorne Kalmar: You think it can be you get straight line rents there, by the end of 2026 or more of a 2027?
Lorne Kalmar: You think it can be you get straight line rents there, by the end of 2026 or more of a 2027?
Speaker #5: So you think it can be you get straight-line rents there by the end of '26 or more of a '27?
Jason Parravano: Straight lines by the end of 2026, hopefully.
Jason Parravano: Straight lines by the end of 2026, hopefully.
Speaker #6: Straight lines by the end of '26, hopefully.
Lorne Kalmar: All right. Maybe just lastly, switching gears on the acquisition side, I know you guys are focused on cleaning up some of these partnership agreements. What's the outlook for 2026? How much do you think you can do?
Lorne Kalmar: All right. Maybe just lastly, switching gears on the acquisition side, I know you guys are focused on cleaning up some of these partnership agreements. What's the outlook for 2026? How much do you think you can do?
Speaker #5: All right. And then maybe just lastly, switching gears on the acquisition side. I know you guys are focused on cleaning up some of these partnership agreements.
Speaker #5: What's the outlook for 2026? How much do you think you can do?
Jason Parravano: We increased our ownership slightly in one syndication earlier in, sorry, at the end of January. We're looking to consolidate at least one more syndication for sure, while we clean up some pieces on some other ones as opportunities come due throughout the course of the year as liquidity permits.
Jason Parravano: We increased our ownership slightly in one syndication earlier in, sorry, at the end of January. We're looking to consolidate at least one more syndication for sure, while we clean up some pieces on some other ones as opportunities come due throughout the course of the year as liquidity permits.
Speaker #6: So we increased our ownership slightly in one syndication earlier in sorry, at the end of January. And we're looking to consolidate at least one more syndication for sure while we clean up some pieces on some other ones as opportunities come to throughout the course of the year, as liquidity permits.
Lorne Kalmar: Okay, fair enough. I will turn it back.
Lorne Kalmar: Okay, fair enough. I will turn it back.
Speaker #5: Okay. Fair enough. I will turn it back.
Jason Parravano: Thanks, Lorne.
Jason Parravano: Thanks, Lorne.
Speaker #6: Thanks, Mark.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, if there are any additional questions at this time, please press the star followed by the one. As a reminder, if you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing the keys. The next question comes from Tal Woolley from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, if there are any additional questions at this time, please press the star followed by the one. As a reminder, if you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing the keys. The next question comes from Tal Woolley from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen, if there are any additional questions at this time, please press the star followed by the 1. As a reminder, if you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing the keys.
Speaker #1: The next question comes from Tal Woolley from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Tal Woolley: Hey, good morning. You've got about 4 expansions and redevelopments, I think, coming online over the course of the first half of the year. Do you have an estimate of how much incremental NOI you anticipate to achieve from those projects coming online?
Tal Woolley: Hey, good morning. You've got about 4 expansions and redevelopments, I think, coming online over the course of the first half of the year. Do you have an estimate of how much incremental NOI you anticipate to achieve from those projects coming online?
Speaker #7: Hey, good morning. You've got about four expansions and redevelopments, I think, coming online over the course of the first half of the year. Do you have an estimate of how much incremental NOI you anticipate to achieve?
Speaker #7: For most projects coming online?
Jason Parravano: Sure.
Jason Parravano: Sure.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): I'll take that, Tal.
Jim Drake: I'll take that, Tal.
Jason Parravano: Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead, Jason.
Jason Parravano: Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead, Jason.
Speaker #6: Sure. I'll take that, Tal. Sorry. Go ahead, Jason.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): No, Tal.
Jim Drake: No, Tal.
Jason Parravano: Uh.
Jason Parravano: Uh.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): Tal, there's a chart in the MD&A that talks about the developments, redevelopments, and it shows a stabilized NOI upon completion. The difference between what we have today, versus what is stabilized, is what we'll see over the next little while.
Jim Drake: Tal, there's a chart in the MD&A that talks about the developments, redevelopments, and it shows a stabilized NOI upon completion. The difference between what we have today, versus what is stabilized, is what we'll see over the next little while.
Speaker #7: I don't follow you.
Speaker #6: Tal, there's a chart in the MD&A that talks about the developments, redevelopments. And it shows a stabilized NOI upon completion. So the difference between what we had today versus what a stabilized is what we'll see over the next little while.
Tal Woolley: Okay, this is on page four?
Tal Woolley: Okay, this is on page four?
Speaker #7: Okay. This is on page 4?
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): Yeah. page 14 of the MD&A.
Jim Drake: Yeah. page 14 of the MD&A.
Speaker #6: Yeah. So page 14 of the MD&A you'll see a chart providing details on NOI. So stabilized NOI from intensifications acquisitions is about 6.1 million.
Tal Woolley: Okay.
Tal Woolley: Okay.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): You'll see a chart providing details on NOI. Stabilized NOI from intensifications, acquisitions is about CAD 6.1 million, and then there's another CAD 600,000 or so, from properties currently under development.
Jim Drake: You'll see a chart providing details on NOI. Stabilized NOI from intensifications, acquisitions is about CAD 6.1 million, and then there's another CAD 600,000 or so, from properties currently under development.
Speaker #6: And then there's another 600,000 or so from properties currently under development.
Tal Woolley: Okay, perfect. You know, just looking at the change in net rental income from Q3 to Q4, it's down about CAD a million and a half. I'm assuming some of that is the Toys R Us bankruptcy write-off. I guess is the balance mostly just the seasonality of your operating expenses?
Tal Woolley: Okay, perfect. You know, just looking at the change in net rental income from Q3 to Q4, it's down about CAD a million and a half. I'm assuming some of that is the Toys R Us bankruptcy write-off. I guess is the balance mostly just the seasonality of your operating expenses?
Speaker #7: Okay. Perfect. And then just looking at the change in net rental income from Q3 to Q4, it's down about a million and a half.
Speaker #7: So I'm assuming some of that is the Toys R Us bankruptcy write-off. And I guess, is the balance mostly just the seasonality of your operating expenses?
Jason Parravano: I can take that, Jim. We've got about CAD half a million there from the Toys R Us write-off. Another maybe CAD 200 thousand related to just normal course bad debt, which we would normally experience in the portfolio, and the balance of it would be seasonality.
Jason Parravano: I can take that, Jim. We've got about CAD half a million there from the Toys R Us write-off. Another maybe CAD 200 thousand related to just normal course bad debt, which we would normally experience in the portfolio, and the balance of it would be seasonality.
Speaker #6: I could take that, Jim. So, we've got about half a million there from the Toys R Us write-off. Another maybe $200,000 or so related to just normal course bad debt, which we would normally experience in the portfolio.
Speaker #6: And the balance of it would be seasonality.
Tal Woolley: Okay, that's great. Just lastly, you know, yields keep moving all over the place a little bit. Just wondering, you know, your rough cost of secured financing right now for five years.
Tal Woolley: Okay, that's great. Just lastly, you know, yields keep moving all over the place a little bit. Just wondering, you know, your rough cost of secured financing right now for five years.
Speaker #7: Okay. That's great. And then just lastly, yields keep moving all over the place a little bit. Just wondering, you rough cost is secured financing right now for five years?
Jason Parravano: Jim?
Jason Parravano: Jim?
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): 5 years would be in the low 4s to mid-4s.
Jim Drake: 5 years would be in the low 4s to mid-4s.
Speaker #6: Jim?
Speaker #8: Five years would be in the low 4s to mid 4s.
Tal Woolley: Okay. That's perfect. Thanks very much, gentlemen.
Tal Woolley: Okay. That's perfect. Thanks very much, gentlemen.
Speaker #7: Okay. That's perfect. Thanks very much, gentlemen.
Jason Parravano: Thank you, Tal.
Jason Parravano: Thank you, Tal.
[Company Representative] (Plaza Retail REIT): Thank you.
Jim Drake: Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you, Tal.
Operator: Mr. Parvano, there are no further questions at this time.
Operator: Mr. Parvano, there are no further questions at this time.
Speaker #8: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Mr. Paravano, there are no further questions at this time.
Jason Parravano: All right. Well, thank you all for joining us today and your continued support and trust. We remain committed to creating long-term value for our unit holders, our tenants, and the communities they serve. We appreciate your time and look forward to the journey ahead. Take care and talk soon.
Jason Parravano: All right. Well, thank you all for joining us today and your continued support and trust. We remain committed to creating long-term value for our unit holders, our tenants, and the communities they serve. We appreciate your time and look forward to the journey ahead. Take care and talk soon.
Speaker #5: All right. Well, thank you all for joining us today and your continued support and trust. We remain committed to creating long-term value for our unit holders, our tenants, and the communities they serve.
Speaker #5: We appreciate your time and look forward to the journey ahead. Take care, and talk soon.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for participating. Please disconnect your lines.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for participating. Please disconnect your lines.