Q1 2026 Dr Ing hc F Porsche AG Earnings Call

April 29, 2026

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome and thank you for participating in the joint media analyst and investor call regarding Porsche AG's Q1 2026 results. This call will be hosted by Dr. Jochen Breckner, Member of the Executive Board for Finance and IT. During the intro statement at the beginning of our call, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the intro, we will jump to the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star 1. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Florian Laudan. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome, and thank you for participating in the joint media analyst and investor call regarding Porsche AG's Q1 2026 results.

Speaker #1: This call will be hosted by Dr. Jochen Bregner, member of the Executive Board for Finance and IT. During the intro statements at the beginning of our call, all participants will be in listen-only mode.

Speaker #1: After the intro, we will jump to the question-and-answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Florian Laudan.

Speaker #1: Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker #2: Good evening, dear colleagues. Welcome to our joint media analyst and investor calls on the Porsche AG Q1 2026 results. My name is Florian Laudan.

Florian Laudan: Good evening, dear colleagues. Welcome to our joint media analyst and investor calls on the Porsche AG Q1 2026 results. My name is Florian Laudan. I'm the new Vice President in Communication, Sustainability, and Politics. Just started beginning of this month, it's a great pleasure for me to host this call today together with Björn Scheib, our Head of Investor Relations. Joining us is our CFO, Dr. Jochen Breckner. Before Jochen will give you a brief overview of our business performance in Q1, I hand it over to Björn.

Speaker #2: I'm the new vice president and communications sustainable ability and politics. Just started beginning of this month. And it's a great pleasure for me to host this call today together with Bjrn Scheib, our head of investor relations.

Speaker #2: Joining us is our CFO, Dr. Jochen Bregner, and before Jochen will give you a brief overview of our business performance in the first quarter, I hand it over to Bjrn.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Florian. Hello, everybody. Also from my side. After the intro statement of Jochen, we will start with questions from the analysts. Then we will switch to the Q&A with the media representatives.

Björn Scheib: Thank you, Florian. Hello, everybody. Also from my side. After the intro statement of Jochen, we will start with questions from the analysts. We will switch to the Q&A with the media representatives. You can find further detailed information online in the Porsche newsrooms, as well as on the investor relations website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that all forward-looking statements are subject to the risks and uncertainties mentioned in the safe harbor statements in the online materials. With that, I hand over to Jochen.

Speaker #3: You can find further detailed information online in the Porsche newsrooms as well as on the investor relations website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that all forward-looking statements are subject to the risks and uncertainties mentioned in the Safe Harbor statements in the online materials.

Speaker #3: With that, I hand over to Jochen.

Speaker #2: Bjorn and Florian, thank you very much. And also everyone on this call, very warm welcome to you. For joining our Q1 2026 results call.

Jochen Breckner: Björn and Florian, thank you very much, and also everyone on this call, very warm welcome to you, for joining our Q1 2026 results call. As it was announced, let me just quickly start with few introductory comments to give you some more color and meat around our Q1 financial numbers. As you know, Porsche starts from a position of strength as one of the world's strongest exclusive brands, with iconic products and a highly loyal customer base. However, the environment has fundamentally changed. Heightened competition, geopolitical uncertainty, a slower-than-expected BEV ramp-up, and shifting market dynamics require decisive structural action. Since the beginning of the year, our new CEO, Michael Leiters, together with the Porsche leadership team, has conducted a thorough, systematic, and fact-based review of the company.

Speaker #2: Now, as it was announced, let me just quickly start with a few introductory comments to give you some more color and meat around our Q1 financial numbers.

Speaker #2: As you know, Porsche starts from a position of strength as one of the world's strongest exclusive brands, with iconic products and a highly loyal customer base.

Speaker #2: However, the environment has fundamentally changed. Heightened competition, geopolitical uncertainty, a slower-than-expected BAF ramp-up, and shifting market dynamics require decisive structural action. Since the beginning of the year, our new CEO, Michael Leiters, together with the Porsche leadership team, has conducted a thorough, systematic, and fact-based review of the company.

Speaker #2: We have taken an open and honest look at what is working well and where decisive action is required. On this basis, we have already initiated targeted measures.

Jochen Breckner: We have taken an open and honest look at what is working well and where decisive action is required. On this basis, we have already initiated targeted measures. These include, first, value over volume remains non-negotiable, particularly in China. Despite lower volumes, Porsche continues to prioritize pricing discipline, control dealer inventories, and production, balancing demand to protect brand exclusivity and long-term pricing power. Second, a quality-driven and carefully phased ramp-up of the all-electric Cayenne. Third, comprehensive efficiency initiatives, such as our Push to Pass program, with focus on lowering our break-even point. Fourth, a sharper focus on our core business. Our ambition is clear. Return Porsche to its full strength. The realignment of Porsche AG is progressing at high speed. The measures weigh on our financials in the short term, but first tangible signs of progress are becoming visible.

Speaker #2: These include: first, value-over-volume remains non-negotiable, particularly in China. Despite lower volumes, Porsche continues to prioritize pricing discipline, controlled dealer inventories, and production balancing demand to protect brand exclusivity and long-term pricing power.

Speaker #2: Second, a quality-driven and carefully phased ramp-up of the all-electric Cayenne. Third, comprehensive efficiency initiatives such as our push-to-pass program with focus on lowering our break-even point.

Speaker #2: And fourth, a sharper focus on our core business. Our ambition is clear. Return Porsche to its full strength. The realignment of Porsche AG's progressing at high speed, the measures weigh on our financials in the short term, but first tangible signs of progress are becoming visible.

Speaker #2: As part of the strategic focus on Porsche's core business, the supervisory boards of Porsche and Volkswagen approved the planned disposals of the equity interest held by Porsche AG and its subsidiaries in RE/MAX Group, Bugatti RE/MAX, and Bugatti International Holding.

Jochen Breckner: As part of the strategic focus on Porsche's core business, the supervisory boards of Porsche and Volkswagen approved the planned disposals of the equity interest held by the Porsche AG and its subsidiaries in Rimac Group, Bugatti Rimac, and Bugatti International Holding, as well as other assets related to these investments in March. In April, the relevant sale and purchase agreement was signed. Based on current expectations, the transaction is anticipated to close within the next 12 months. Upon completion, Porsche expects a significant cash inflow. The transaction is expected to be predominantly reflected in financial income. Now let's start with our sales and top-line development in the Q1 of 2026. Keeping in mind the current gaps in our product portfolio and market conditions in China, our unit sales are resonating relatively well.

Speaker #2: As well as other assets related to these investments in March. In April, the relevant sale and purchase agreement was signed. Based on current expectations, the transaction is anticipated to close within the next 12 months.

Speaker #2: Upon completion, Porsche expects a significant cash inflow. The transaction is expected to be predominantly reflected in financial income. Now, let's start with our sales and top-line development in the first quarter of 2026.

Speaker #2: Keeping in mind the current gaps in our product portfolio and market conditions in China, our unit sales are resonating relatively well. As you know, Porsche delivered around 61,000 sports cars in the first quarter to customers.

Jochen Breckner: As you know, Porsche delivered around 61,000 sports cars in Q1 to customers. This decline of 15% year on year, which was anticipated and reflected in our guidance. Wholesales were around 58,600 units in Q1 of this year. This corresponded to a 9.5 decline in sales compared to the prior year. Let me briefly walk you through the wholesale development by model line and region in Q1. The Cayenne once again proved to be our strongest-selling model line, with sales of around 18,700 units, supported by a solid and well-balanced global demand profile. The 911 also performed very well. It recorded a significant increase in sales and continued strong customer interest. At the same time, Macan sales declined to around 18,200 units, which was largely expected.

Speaker #2: This decline of 15% year on year which was anticipated and reflected in our guidance. Wholesales were around 58,600 units in the first three months of this year.

Speaker #2: This corresponded to a 9.5% decline in sales compared to the prior year. Let me briefly walk you through the wholesale development by model line and region in the first quarter.

Speaker #2: The Cayenne once again proved to be our strongest selling model line, with sales of around 18,700 units, supported by a solid and well-balanced global demand profile.

Speaker #2: The 911 also performed very well. It recorded a significant increase in sales and continued strong customer interest. At the same time, Macan sales declined to around 18,200 units, which was largely expected.

Speaker #2: This was driven by the strong ramp-up of the fully electric Macan in the prior-year period, as well as the expiry of tax incentives for electric and hybrid vehicles in the United States at the end of last year.

Jochen Breckner: This was driven by the strong ramp-up of the fully electric Macan in the prior year period, as well as the expiry of tax incentives for electric and hybrid vehicles in the United States end of last year. Panamera volumes were lower, mainly due to temporary supply gap in China ahead of the launch of a China-specific edition starting in April. Wholesales of the 718 Boxster and Cayman were also down. This reflects the discontinued availability since the end of production in October last year. From a regional perspective, growth in North America was offset by declines in China and parts of Europe. In China, in particular, we remain firmly focused on a value-driven sales approach. This means we deliberately balance supply and demand to protect brand exclusivity and long-term pricing power.

Speaker #2: Panamera volumes were lower, mainly due to temporary supply gap in China, ahead of the launch of a China-specific addition starting in April. Wholesales of the 718, Boxer, and Cayman were also down.

Speaker #2: This reflects the discontinued availability since the end of production in October last year. From a regional perspective, growth in North America was offset by declines in China and parts of Europe.

Speaker #2: In China, in particular, we remain firmly focused on a value-driven sales approach. This means we deliberately balance supply and demand to protect brand exclusivity and long-term pricing power.

Speaker #2: Looking ahead, our clear focus in the coming month is the market launch of the fully electric Cayenne. First customer deliveries will start this summer.

Jochen Breckner: Looking ahead, our clear focus in the coming months is the market launch of the fully electric Cayenne. First customer deliveries will start this summer. With regard to the Middle East, unit sales in the region accounted for around 2% of Porsche's global wholesales in 2025. A negative volume impact in the region in March was offset by other markets globally, as Porsche continues to benefit from its well-balanced global sales structure. Given the ongoing disruption to vehicle logistics into the region and currently skewed dealer traffic due to the conflict, we have to expect a further temporary volume impact. We are closely monitoring developments. Overall, Porsche's global sales remain well-balanced across key regions. This underlines the strength of our brand, the appeal of our product portfolio, and the resilience of our diversified market presence. Despite the challenging market environment, incoming orders remain robust.

Speaker #2: With regard to the Middle East, unit sales in the region accounted for around 2% of Porsche's global wholesales in 2025. A negative volume impact in the region in March was offset by other markets globally, as Porsche continues to benefit from its well-balanced global sales structure.

Speaker #2: Given the ongoing disruption to vehicle logistics into the region and currently skewed dealer traffic due to the conflict, we have to expect a further temporary volume impact.

Speaker #2: We are closely monitoring developments. Overall, Porsche's global sales remain well-balanced across key regions. This underlines the strength of our brand, the appeal of our product portfolio, and the resilience of our diversified market presence.

Speaker #2: Despite the challenging market environment, incoming orders remain robust. This is supported by strong brand desirability, a favorable product mix, and consistently high demand for individualization options.

Jochen Breckner: This is supported by strong brand desirability, a favorable product mix, and consistently high demand for individualization options. Group revenues of EUR 8.4 billion declined at materially lower rates than wholesales, with revenues down 5.2% compared to a 9.5% decrease in wholesales. Automotive revenue per wholesale increased to EUR 126,000, up by EUR 5,000 year-on-year. This again reflects our disciplined pricing, strong product mix, and our value over volume strategy. Now turning to expenses. In Q1, we continued to face inflationary pressure, particularly in material costs, including compensation payments to best suppliers. These payments were driven by lower than anticipated volumes. In addition, our further investment in product quality and customer satisfaction contributed to ongoing cost headwinds.

Speaker #2: Group revenues of 8.4 billion declined at materially lower rates than wholesales, with revenues down 5.2% compared to a 9.5% decrease in wholesales. Automotive revenue per wholesale increased to 126,000 euros, up by 5,000 euros year on year.

Speaker #2: This again reflects our disciplined pricing, strong product mix, and our value-over-volume strategy. Now turning to expenses. In the first three months of the year, we continue to face inflationary pressure, particularly in material costs, including compensation payments to BEV suppliers.

Speaker #2: These payments were driven by lower-than-anticipated volumes. In addition, our further investments in product quality and customer satisfaction contributed to ongoing cost headwinds. As we launched numerous new products in recent periods, we again counted for slightly higher depreciation and amortization of 750 million, compared to last year.

Jochen Breckner: As we launched numerous new products in recent periods, we again accounted for slightly higher depreciation and amortization of EUR 750 million compared to last year. Moreover, temporary gaps in our product portfolio weighed on fixed cost absorption. Foreign exchange effects developed unfavorably compared to Q1 2025. In addition, Q1 we recorded around EUR 100 million of charges related to our strategic realignment, as well as approximately EUR 200 million of increased expenses from the US import tariffs. On the positive side, our cost base benefited from the continued execution of our Push-to-Pass program once more. This has a clear focus on improving operational performance and cost efficiency. In Q1 2026, we earned a group operating profit of EUR 595 million at operating margin of 7.1%. Turning to cash flow.

Speaker #2: Moreover, temporary gaps in our product portfolio weighed on fixed cost absorption. Foreign exchange effects developed unfavorably compared to Q1 2025. In addition, the first quarter we recorded around 100 million euros of charges related to our strategic realignment, as well as approximately 200 million euros of increased expenses from the US import tariffs.

Speaker #2: On the positive side, our cost-based benefited from the continued execution of our push-to-pass program once more. This has a clear focus on improving operational performance and cost efficiency.

Speaker #2: In Q1 2026, we earned a group operating profit of 595 million euros, at operating margin of 7.1%. Turning to cash flow. By the end of the first quarter, automotive net cash flow increased to 514 million euros, compared to 198 million euros in the prior year period, despite lower earnings.

Jochen Breckner: By the end of Q1, automotive net cash flow increased to EUR 514 million compared to EUR 198 million in the prior year period, despite lower earnings. The net automotive cash flow margin improved significantly to 7%, up from 2.5% a year earlier. This improvement was primarily driven by higher cash inflows from operating activities, disciplined working capital management, and lower cash outflows from investing activities in the ongoing business. It is important to note that the automotive net cash flow in Q1 already reflects extraordinary cash outs of around EUR 400 million. This is primarily related to the first tranche of the Audi license payment and strategic realignment measures. In addition, we incurred tariff payments of around EUR 200 million in Q1.

Speaker #2: The net automotive cash flow margin improved significantly to 7%, up from 2.5% a year earlier. This improvement was primarily driven by higher cash inflows from operating activities, disciplined working capital management, and lower cash outflows from investing activities in the ongoing business.

Speaker #2: It is important to note that the automotive net cash flow in the first quarter already reflects extraordinary cash outs of around €400 million.

Speaker #2: This is primarily related to the first tranche of the Audi license payment and strategic realignment measures. In addition, we incurred tariff payments of around 200 million euros in the first quarter.

Speaker #2: Despite these meaningful cash outflows, the strong net cash flow performance underlines the resilience of our operating cash generation and our disciplined approach to cash and working capital management.

Jochen Breckner: Despite these meaningful cash outflows, the strong net cash flow performance underlines the resilience of our operating cash generation and our disciplined approach to cash and working capital management. With that, let me turn to the outlook. Despite changed geopolitical and economic conditions, we confirm the guidance for the 2026 financial year as published in our annual and sustainability reports. As also mentioned, temporary portfolio effects, notably the run out of the 718 and the phase out of the ICE Macan production in mid-2026, are fully reflected in our planning. As a result, retail and wholesale volumes in 2026 are expected to be below 2025 levels, while the share of BEVs will increase, also based on the launch of the electric Cayenne. We will continue to manage demand and supply strictly in line with our value over volume strategy.

Speaker #2: With that, let me turn to the outlook. Despite changed geopolitical and economic conditions, we confirmed the guidance for the 2026 financial year as published in our annual and sustainability report.

Speaker #2: As also mentioned, temporary portfolio effects—notably, the run-out of the 718 and the phase-out of the ICE Macan production in mid-2026—are fully reflected in our planning.

Speaker #2: As a result, retail and wholesale volumes in 2026 are expected to be below 2025 levels. While the share of BEVs will increase, also based on the launch of the electric Cayenne.

Speaker #2: We will continue to manage demand and supply strictly in line with our value-over-volume strategy. For the current year, we expect a group return on sales of 5.5% to 7.5% and an automotive net cash flow margin of 3% to 5%.

Jochen Breckner: For the current year, we expect a group return on sales of 5.5% to 7.5% and an automotive net cash flow margin of 3% to 5%. The group return on sales guidance includes EUR 800 to 900 million of extraordinary expenses and an estimated EUR 700 million from US import tariffs, broadly in line with last year. Automotive net cash flow is expected to reflect ex-extraordinary cash outs of EUR 1.4 to 1.5 billion, mainly related to strategic realignments, including the Audi license payment of around EUR 1 billion, as well as tariff payments of around EUR 700 million. Given the current uncertainty, a reliable assessment of any potential lasting impact of the Middle East conflict on our business is not possible at this time and has therefore not been factored into the current forecast.

Speaker #2: The group return on sales guidance includes 8% to €900 million of extraordinary expenses, and an estimated €700 million from US import tariffs, broadly in line with last year.

Speaker #2: Automotive net cash flow is expected to reflect extraordinary cash outs of 1.4% to 1.5 billion euros. Mainly related to strategic realignment. Including the Audi license payment of around 1 billion euros, as well as tariff payments of around 700 million euros.

Speaker #2: Given the current uncertainty, a reliable assessment of any potential lasting impact of the Middle East conflict on our business is not possible at this time, and has therefore not been factored into the current forecast.

Speaker #2: Our increased focus on the core business may also result in further selective adjustments to our portfolio of shareholdings. Potential M&A activities relating to the divestment of non-core shareholdings are not included in the outlook due to their uncertain nature.

Jochen Breckner: Our increased Focus on the Core may also result in further selective adjustments to our portfolio of shareholdings. Potential M&A activities relating to the divestment of non-core shareholdings are not included in the outlook due to their uncertain nature. If successfully executed, such transactions could result in one-off effects. Before concluding, let me briefly address our capital allocation strategy. The proposed dividend of EUR 1.01 per preferred share, payable after our annual general meeting in June, strikes a clear balance between financial flexibility and shareholder reliability. It underscores our confidence in Porsche's long-term earnings power, even as we navigate the transformation. Our strong financial foundation provides resilience and flexibility. A healthy balance sheet, solid liquidity, and disciplined capital allocation underpin Porsche's ability to navigate the transformation and to restore compelling margins and cash flows.

Speaker #2: However, if successfully executed, such transactions could result in one-off effects. Before concluding, let me briefly address our capital allocation strategy. The proposed dividend of €1.01 per preferred share, payable after our Annual General Meeting in June, strikes a clear balance between financial flexibility and shareholder reliability.

Speaker #2: It underscores our confidence in Porsche's long-term earnings power, even as we navigate the transformation. Our strong financial foundation provides resilience and flexibility—a healthy balance sheet, solid liquidity, and disciplined capital allocation underpin Porsche's ability to navigate the transformation and to restore compelling margins and cash flows.

Speaker #2: Before we come to the Q&A session, let me give you a brief update on our strategy 2035. Porsche has a solid track record of navigating complex environments.

Jochen Breckner: Before we come to the Q&A session, let me give you a brief update on our Strategy 2035. Porsche has a solid track record of navigating complex environments. Today, we are managing another phase of macroeconomic and industry-wide challenges, operational discipline. Transformation requires time and execution, but Porsche has all prerequisites firmly in place. A powerful brand, iconic products, and strong financial foundations to sustainably restore profitability and long-term value creation. Strategy 2035 will sharpen Porsche structurally and strategically. With our new strategy, we will combine cost optimization and operational excellence with targeted investments in product offering, customer experience, and brand. With this, we will lower our break-even point, increase our resilience, and further strengthen Porsche's positioning as a leading spo, sports car manufacturer. We aim to bring back Porsche to its former strength in a financially and strategically sustainable way.

Speaker #2: Today, we are managing another phase of macroeconomic and industry-wide challenges with operational discipline. Transformation requires time and execution, but Porsche has all prerequisites firmly in place.

Speaker #2: A powerful brand, iconic products, and strong financial foundations. To sustainably restore profitability and long-term value creation. Strategy 2035 will sharpen Porsche's structurally and strategically.

Speaker #2: With our new strategy, we will combine cost optimization and operational excellence with targeted investments in product offering, customer experience, and brand. With this, we will lower our break-even point, increase our resilience, and further strengthen Porsche's positioning as a leading sports car manufacturer.

Speaker #2: We aim to bring back Porsche to its former strength in a financially and strategically sustainable way. China and electrification realities are being addressed with realism and discipline.

Jochen Breckner: China and electrification realities are being addressed with realism and discipline. We are recalibrating portfolios, footprints, and investments without compromising brand positioning or our value over volume philosophy. Strategy 2035 is approaching its next key milestone. We are working at full speed on a more compelling and more differentiated product offering in the most relevant segments. Let me also briefly address the discussions around our future package. Management and the workers council are currently engaged in a constructive dialogue to jointly shape this initiative. Our shared objective is clear. To enhance Porsche's resilience, flexibility, productivity, and agility, and thereby reinforce our long-term competitiveness in an increasingly dynamic market environment. All these efforts are fully aligned with our long-term ambition, sustained high margin growth, and resilient profitability. A comprehensive update will be provided at our Capital Markets Day in autumn.

Speaker #2: We are recalibrating portfolios, footprints, and investments. Without compromising brand positioning or our value-over-volume philosophy. Strategy 2035 is approaching its next key milestone. We are working at full speed on a more compelling and more differentiated product offering in the most relevant segments.

Speaker #2: Let me also briefly address the discussions around our future package. Management and the workers' council are currently engaged in a constructive dialogue to jointly shape this initiative.

Speaker #2: Our shared objective is clear. To enhance Porsche's resilience, flexibility, productivity, and agility. And thereby reinforce our long-term competitiveness in an increasingly dynamic market environment.

Speaker #2: All these efforts are fully aligned with our long-term ambition: sustained high-margin growth and resilient profitability. A comprehensive update will be provided at our capital markets day in autumn.

Speaker #2: And with that, let's now turn to your questions. After a short break. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now have a short break.

Jochen Breckner: With that, let's now turn to your questions after a short break. Thank you very much.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, we will now have a short break. Afterwards, the Q&A session for the analysts and investors will start. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session for the analysts and investors. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Please press star key followed by zero for operator assistance in case of any technical difficulties. Participants are requested to use only handsets while asking a question. Please ensure that all other devices with which you may be watching the video stream in parallel are completely muted to avoid interference. In the interest of time, please limit yourself to one or two questions.

Speaker #2: Afterwards, the Q&A session for the analysts and investors will start. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session for the analysts and investors.

Speaker #2: Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchdown telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue.

Speaker #2: If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Please press the star key followed by zero for operator assistance in case of any technical difficulties.

Speaker #2: Participants are requested to use only handsets while asking a question. Please ensure that all other devices with which you may be watching the video stream in parallel are completely muted to avoid interference.

Speaker #2: In the interest of time, please limit yourself to one or two questions. As mentioned, anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time.

Operator: As mentioned, anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. With that, I hand over again to Björn Scheib, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker #2: With that, I hand over again to Bjrn Scheib, head of investor relations. Please go ahead, sir. Thank you very much. And taking a look at the time, I would highly, highly appreciate your discipline when asking your question so it would be very nice if you could limit yourself to one or two quite short questions.

Jochen Breckner: Thank you very much. Taking a look at the time, I would highly appreciate your discipline when asking your question. It would be very nice if you could limit yourself to one or two quite short questions. With this, we start with Tim of Deutsche, who will be followed by Jose of JPMorgan. Tim, the line is open.

Björn Scheib: Thank you very much. Taking a look at the time, I would highly appreciate your discipline when asking your question. It would be very nice if you could limit yourself to one or two quite short questions. With this, we start with Tim of Deutsche, who will be followed by Jose of JPMorgan. Tim, the line is open.

Speaker #2: And with this, we start with Tim of Deutsche, who will be followed by José of J.P. Morgan. Tim, the line is open.

Speaker #3: Thank you very much, Björn. Thank you, Jochen. First of all, thank you for agreeing with Mercedes that you would report post-close today, and that made our life definitely easier today.

[Analyst] (Deutsche Bank): Thank you very much, Björn. Thank you, Jochen. First of all, thank you for agreeing with Mercedes, that you would report post-close today, and that made our lives definitely easier today. Two questions, very quick. Firstly, very stable delivery this quarter. Pretty much exactly what we all expected of you. We've often spoken of the fact that a premium multiple requires premium execution. Was this an exception, Jochen, or have you changed something when it comes to the planning and processes and controls that now means you're gonna deliver more stability going forward, even in this very uncertain world and times? Secondly, how should we think about seasonality from here? Q2 is traditionally a stronger quarter, at least on an underlying basis. Is anything with respect to the mix derailing that this year, anything else that you see? Thank you.

Tim Rokossa: Thank you very much, Björn. Thank you, Jochen. First of all, thank you for agreeing with Mercedes, that you would report post-close today, and that made our lives definitely easier today. Two questions, very quick. Firstly, very stable delivery this quarter. Pretty much exactly what we all expected of you. We've often spoken of the fact that a premium multiple requires premium execution. Was this an exception, Jochen, or have you changed something when it comes to the planning and processes and controls that now means you're gonna deliver more stability going forward, even in this very uncertain world and times? Secondly, how should we think about seasonality from here? Q2 is traditionally a stronger quarter, at least on an underlying basis. Is anything with respect to the mix derailing that this year, anything else that you see? Thank you.

Speaker #3: Two questions, very quick. Firstly, very stable delivery this quarter, pretty much exactly what we all expected of you. We've often spoken of the fact that a premium multiple requires premium execution.

Speaker #3: Was this an exception, Jochen, or have you changed something when it comes to the planning and processes and controls that now means you're going to deliver more stability going forward, even in this very uncertain world and times?

Speaker #3: And secondly, how should we think about seasonality from here? Q2 is traditionally a stronger quarter, at least on an underlying basis. Is anything with respect to the mix derailing that this year—anything else that you see?

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Yeah, Tim, thank you very much. And everyone, also thanks again for joining this call. And as Björn said, we try to focus your question.

Jochen Breckner: Tim, thank you very much. Everyone, thanks again for joining this call. As Björn said, we try to focus your question, I try to answer as crisp and short as I can to give the details so that we can cover as many questions as possible. Tim, on your first one, Q1 came in not only for you as expected, only for us. We were steering and managing the company in that direction. We see a significant better performance than we had in the last year, at least on the reported numbers. With a 7.1% return on sales, we see a solid result, as I said, as expected.

Speaker #2: I try to answer also as crisp and short as I can, to give you the details so that we can cover as many questions as possible.

Speaker #2: Tim, on your first one, Q1 came in not only for you as expected, only for us. We were steering and managing the company in that direction.

Speaker #2: We see a significant better performance than we had in the last year. At least on reported numbers. So with a 7.1% return on sales, we see a solid result.

Speaker #2: As I said, as expected. And yes, that also comes down to execution, which works out very well—and which is not a matter of luck or of coincidence.

Jochen Breckner: Yes, that also comes down to execution, which works out very well and which is not a matter of luck or of coincidence. This is really, I would say, a result of very hard work over the last quarters and months, and first effects are coming into place. We will continue to focus on execution both operationally, but also on our strategic realignment and on the restructuring of the whole company to stabilize further the situation. Now, you were asking about Q2. As you know, we're not really give guidance on several quarters, but let me maybe comment again on the full year. For the full year, as I've said in my introductory comments, we confirm the guidance that we have given, 5.5% to 7.5%.

Speaker #2: This is really, I would say, a result of very hard work over the last quarters and months, and first effects are coming into place.

Speaker #2: We will continue to focus on execution, both operationally but also on our strategic realignment, and on the restructuring of the whole company to further stabilize the situation.

Speaker #2: Now, you were asking about Q2. As you know, we're not really giving guidance on several quarters. But let me maybe comment again on the full year.

Speaker #2: For the full year, as I've said in my introductory comments, we confirmed the guidance that we have given, 5.5 to 7.5%. The first quarter sits very well within that guidance corridor.

Jochen Breckner: The Q1 sits very well within that guidance corridor, rather at the upper end, gives us a bit of a cushion. For the remainder of the year, we expect a bit more of the extraordinary expenses, up to EUR 900 million in the full year. We just had EUR 100 million in the Q1. From a seasonality perspective, there's a bit more to come. Also looking at mix, we had a very favorable mix in the Q1, especially from our 911, with the 911 Turbo S kicking in, also in our books for the remainder of the year. We see that ongoing on the 911, but with the full electric Cayenne, and with more BEVs also in the BEV share that we expect for the full year. Of course, there's also some pressure on margins.

Speaker #2: Rather at the upper end, gives us a bit of a cushion. For the remainder of the year, we expect a bit more of the extraordinary expenses, up to €900 million in the full year.

Speaker #2: We just had $100 million in the first quarter. So, from a seasonality perspective, there's a bit more to come. And also, looking at mix, we had a very favorable mix in the first quarter.

Speaker #2: Especially from our 911, with the 911 Turbo S kicking in. Also, in our books, for the remainder of the year, we see that ongoing on the 911.

Speaker #2: But with the full electric Cayenne and with more BEVs also in the BEV share that we expect for the full year, of course, there's also some pressure on margins.

Speaker #3: Thank you. Next in the row will be José. And José will be followed then by Patrick.

[Analyst] (Deutsche Bank): Thank you.

Tim Rokossa: Thank you.

Jochen Breckner: Next in the row will be Jose, and Jose will be followed then by Patrick.

Speaker #4: Hello, Björn. Thank you. And Jochen. Just a couple of questions, please. One, can you talk a little bit about the costs you're taking to reduce the breakeven point?

[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Hello, Björn. Thank you. Jochen, just a couple of questions, please. One, can you talk a little bit about the costs you're taking to reduce the breakeven point, and any additional actions you're taking in H2? Anything you could point out there. Second, from the Beijing Auto Show and the presentation of the vehicles you've done, can you share any anecdotes with regards to demand, customer reactions and, yeah, product reactions from customers in the region? Thank you.

José Asumendi: Hello, Björn. Thank you. Jochen, just a couple of questions, please. One, can you talk a little bit about the costs you're taking to reduce the breakeven point, and any additional actions you're taking in H2? Anything you could point out there. Second, from the Beijing Auto Show and the presentation of the vehicles you've done, can you share any anecdotes with regards to demand, customer reactions and, yeah, product reactions from customers in the region? Thank you.

Speaker #4: And any additional actions you're taking in the second half of the year? Anything you could point out there? And second, from the Beijing Auto Show and the presentation of the vehicles you've done, can you share any anecdotes with regards to demand?

Speaker #4: Customer reaction and, yeah, product reactions from customers in the region. Thank you.

Speaker #5: Yeah, José, thank you very much. On the first one, cost work, we are really focusing on our push-to-pass program. And that push-to-pass program, as you probably all know, is focusing on really each and every cost item.

Jochen Breckner: Yeah. Jose, thank you very much. On the first one, cost work, we are really focusing on our Push-to-Pass program, and that Push-to-Pass program, as you probably all know, is focusing on really each and every cost item. Lowering our break-even point is a key measure within our Strategy 2035, and achieving that, two elements are important. First, reducing expenditures and fixed costs so that the level of costs that we have that need to be digested by our contribution margins is lower than what we had. Secondly, and maybe even more importantly, we wanna improve margins on a per unit level, based on the material and production costs, because if you have better margins, you need less cars to cover the fixed costs that you have.

Speaker #5: And lowering our breakeven point is a key measure within our Strategy 2035. And achieving that, two elements are important. First, reducing expenditures and fixed costs.

Speaker #5: So that the level of costs that we have that need to be digested by our contribution margins is lower than what we had. And secondly, and maybe even more importantly, we want to improve margins on a per unit level.

Speaker #5: Based on the material and production costs. Because if you have better margins, you need fewer cars to cover the fixed costs that you have.

Jochen Breckner: We are focusing on both initiatives heavily. We are targeting each and every cost item that we have. What we not do is that we will compromise our products. Especially when it comes to the bill of material, we need to do that wisely, that we have the savings there, where the customers do not recognize it, and where we need to invest into the car to make the cars real Porsche cars, differentiated cars, covering for a price premium. We will invest into that one.

Speaker #5: We are focusing on both initiatives, heavily. We are targeting each and every cost item that we have. But what we not do is that we will compromise our products.

Speaker #5: So especially when it comes to the bill of material, we need to do that wisely. That we have the savings there where the customers do not recognize it.

Speaker #5: And where we need to invest into the car, to make the cars real Porsche cars, differentiated cars, covering for price premium, we will invest into that one.

Speaker #5: On your second question, reactions on the electric Cayenne, especially in China after the launch of the car in the Chinese market in the Beijing Motor Show.

Jochen Breckner: On your second question, reactions on the electric Cayenne, especially in China, after the launch of the car in the Chinese market in the Beijing Auto Show, I can say that overall, the Cayenne Electric is again, a fantastic real Porsche electric car, with the genes that you would expect from a Cayenne. You know that, a Cayenne Turbo in the overboost mode has more than 1,100 horsepowers, insane number, and you can feel that in the car, and you can also safely and conveniently drive it just from one place to the other. Based on that, it's a great car. In China, it was also well-received by the media and customer reactions.

Speaker #5: I can say that, overall, the Cayenne electric is again a fantastic, real Porsche electric car. With the genes that you would expect from a Cayenne, you know that a Cayenne Turbo in the overboost mode has more than 1,100 horsepower.

Speaker #5: Insane number. And you can feel that in the car. And you can also safely and conveniently drive it just from one place to the other.

Speaker #5: Based on that, it's a great car. In China, it was also well received—by the media and customer reactions. But having said that, you need to keep in mind that that car is sitting, yeah, is facing and hitting a market where we see fierce price competition.

Jochen Breckner: Having said that, you need to keep in mind that that car is facing and hitting a market where we see fierce price competition, segments under pressure, and that will be also seen in the sales number once the car hits the market.

Speaker #5: Segments under pressure. And that will be also seen in the sales number once the car hits the market.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Thank you.

José Asumendi: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Jochen. Next in the row will be then Patrick. And after Patrick, we have then Christian.

Björn Scheib: Thank you, Jochen. Next in the row will be then Patrick, and after Patrick, we have then Christian.

[Analyst]: Hi, Björn. Can you hear me?

Speaker #6: Hi, Björn. Can you hear me?

Speaker #4: Sure, we can hear you.

Jochen Breckner: Sure, we can hear you.

Speaker #6: Perfect, thanks. Hi Jochen, thanks for taking my question. My first one—we're now two months into the Middle East crisis, and I wonder how things have evolved over the last few weeks.

[Analyst]: Perfect. Thanks. Hi, Jochen. Thanks for taking my question. My first one, we're now 2 months into the Middle East crisis. I wonder how things have evolved over the last few weeks and whether you can share your latest thoughts, how the situation will affect your business in the remainder of the year. Is there a demand issue you see in the region? Do you think it can be offset as in Q1 with some reallocation of product to other regions? Is your bigger concern the input cost side? You said in the full year disclosure that you have a very high degree of hedging. We heard earlier today from Mercedes-Benz Group that there is a H2 headwind to be expected on commodity front.

Speaker #6: And whether you can share your latest thoughts? How the situation will affect your business in the remainder of the year? Is there a demand issue you see in the region?

Speaker #6: Do you think it can be offset, as in Q1, with some reallocation of product to other regions? Or is your bigger concern the input cost side?

Speaker #6: You said in the full-year disclosure that you have a very high degree of hedging. We heard earlier today from Mercedes that there is a second-half headwind to be expected on the commodity front.

Speaker #6: So I'd just be keen to get an update on those two items. And if I may, on the focus on the non-core business—one asset you had talked about in the past was MHP, I suggest.

[Analyst]: I'd just be keen to get an update on those two items. If I may, on the focus on the non-core business. One asset you had talked about in the past was MHP, I suggest. I suppose that's on the list potentially. This is a fully consolidated business. Should we read your comment about the guidance not including any M&A items that this is potentially a charge that might be arising from such a transaction? Am I misinterpreting you here?

Speaker #6: I suppose that's on the list. Potentially. This is a fully consolidated business. Should we read your comment about the guidance not including any M&A items that this is potentially a charge that might be arising from such a transaction?

Speaker #6: Or am I misinterpreting you here?

Speaker #5: Yeah, Patrick, thanks for raising these various topics. Let me start also in the order that you raised the topics and the questions. So, on Middle East, of course—and that's stating the obvious—we are monitoring the situation.

Jochen Breckner: Yeah. Patrick, thanks for raising these various topics. Let me start also in the order that you raised the topics and the questions. On Middle East, of course, and that's stating the obvious, we are monitoring the situation. We are concerned about the situation, and we hope that the solution is found rather sooner than later for the people in the region, but also for the worldwide economy. On the specific effects, we've seen a slowdown in the demand in the region because we do not have the traffic in the showrooms as high as we used to have it, and also deliveries from us on the logistics side into the regions are not possible in the way that we used to ship the cars to the market.

Speaker #5: We are concerned about the situation, and we hope that the solution is found rather sooner than later—for the people in the region, but also for the worldwide economy.

Speaker #5: On the specific effects, we've seen a slowdown in the demand in the region, because we do not have the traffic in the showrooms as high as we used to have it.

Speaker #5: And also, deliveries from us on the logistics side into the regions are not possible in the way that we used to ship the cars to the market.

Speaker #5: So, therefore, there's a pressure there. We need to see how long that will last. But, having said that, important to understand is that in that specific region, we have around 2% of our worldwide sales volume.

Jochen Breckner: Therefore, there's a pressure there. We need to see how long that will last. Having said that, important to understand is that in that specific region, we have around 2% of our worldwide sales volume, and we have the possibility to reallocate volumes also to other markets, depending, of course, on the magnitude and the timing of the conflict as long as it will last. On the material cost side, first and foremost, I think that's really the most important part of it is, before we talk about cost, is the supply in general. Our supply chain is secure. We do not have a lot of specific supplier in that region. Actually, it's just one, the products we get from that supplier are also secured in the supply chain.

Speaker #5: And we have the possibility to reallocate volumes also to other markets. Depending, of course, on the magnitude and the timing of the conflict as long as it will last.

Speaker #5: On the material cost side, first and foremost, and I think that's really the most important part of it, is before we talk about cost, is the supply in general.

Speaker #5: And our supply chain is secured. We do not have a lot of specific suppliers in that region. Actually, it's just one. And the products we get from that supplier are also secured in the supply chain.

Speaker #5: So we have no complications in the production yet based on the Middle East situation that we have. On the cost side, again, we are hedged in most of the materials, as good as we can.

Jochen Breckner: We have no complications in the production yet based on the Middle East situation that we have. On the cost side, again, we are hedged in most of the materials as good as we can. Also, we have long-term supplier contracts, so short-term, we do not have excessive effects there. Again, we monitor the situation, and if it lasts for a longer period, if oil prices stay high, et cetera, of course, there might be effects that we need to take into consideration. On M&A, first on the technical effect, yes, MHP is a fully consolidated company. We are a 100% shareholder of that company, and if we would sell such a shareholding, that would have different effects than the ones that I've just commented on Bugatti Rimac, which was a minority shareholding.

Speaker #5: Also, we have long-term supplier contracts. So, short-term, we do not have excessive effects there. But again, we monitor the situation, and if it lasts for a longer period—if all prices stay high, et cetera—of course, there might be effects that we need to take into consideration.

Speaker #5: On M&A, first on the technical effect, yes, MHP is a fully consolidated company. We are 100% shareholder of that company. And if we would sell such a shareholding, that would have different effects than the ones that I've just commented on Bugatti Rimac, which was a minority shareholding that's correct.

Jochen Breckner: That's correct. Assuming that a potential sale of MHP could result in a charge is something that I do not see. If that would be the case, we would not sell it. Therefore, if we have an updated structure for the MHP shareholders, that would again come with a positive one-time effect.

Speaker #5: Assuming that a potential sale of MHP could result in a charge is something that I do not see. If that were the case, we would not sell it.

Speaker #5: So, therefore, if we have an updated structure for the MHP shareholders, that would again come with a positive one-time effect.

[Analyst]: Understood. Very clear. Thank you, Jochen.

Speaker #4: Thank you very much.

Speaker #6: Thank you, Jochen.

Speaker #4: Next in the row would be then Christian from Goldman. And thereafter, we're going to have Horst from Bank of America.

Jochen Breckner: Next in the row would be then Christian from Goldman, and thereafter, we're gonna have Horst from Bank of America.

Speaker #3: Yeah, hi, Jochen. I'm Björn. Thanks for taking my question. I'll keep it really short. The first question is just an update on any key conclusions Dr. Leiters has made post his 100-day review ahead of the Capital Markets Day in autumn.

[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Hi, Jochen and Björn. Thanks for taking my question. I'll keep it really short. The first question is just an update on any key conclusions Dr. Leiters has made post his 100-day review ahead of the Capital Markets Day in autumn. For example, should investors expect any further major decisions ahead of the Capital Markets Day event? My second question is really, you know, yes, looking, thinking about the mix over the next one or two years. Clearly, the 911 Turbo S mix is helping a lot. Of course, offset by the phase-out of the Macan and the increased BEV share that was mentioned. Thinking about your Rimac exit and I'm just wondering, should we...

Christian Glissmann: Hi, Jochen and Björn. Thanks for taking my question. I'll keep it really short. The first question is just an update on any key conclusions Dr. Leiters has made post his 100-day review ahead of the Capital Markets Day in autumn. For example, should investors expect any further major decisions ahead of the Capital Markets Day event? My second question is really, you know, yes, looking, thinking about the mix over the next one or two years. Clearly, the 911 Turbo S mix is helping a lot. Of course, offset by the phase-out of the Macan and the increased BEV share that was mentioned. Thinking about your Rimac exit and I'm just wondering, should we...

Speaker #3: For example, should investors expect any further major decisions ahead of the Capital Markets Day event? And my second question is really, yes, thinking about the mix over the next one or two years—clearly the 911 Turbo S mix is helping a lot.

Speaker #3: Of course, offset by the phase out of the Macan and the increased BEV share that was mentioned. Thinking about your Rimac exit and I'm just wondering should we would it be reasonable to expect more specials or what other levers do you have that could improve mix going forwards if any?

[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Would it be reasonable to expect more specials or what other levers do you have that could improve mix, going forward, if any? Thank you.

Christian Glissmann: Would it be reasonable to expect more specials or what other levers do you have that could improve mix, going forward, if any? Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Yeah, Christian, thank you very much. Yeah, first 100 days are over for Michael. But unfortunately, nothing to communicate yet. Why is that? We are, yeah, diligently working on the update of the strategy.

Jochen Breckner: Christian, thank you very much. First hundred days are over for Michael, unfortunately, nothing to communicate yet. Why is that? We are diligently working on the update of the strategy and the structure, we will communicate the updates in more detail in the Capital Markets Day in autumn. That's still a few months to go, but it's not that long time. I really, unfortunately, have to ask for your patience on that one. Of course, what are we targeting there? The most important thing that also Michael is looking at is the product strategy. We have some issues that we want to address there.

Speaker #5: And the structure. And we will communicate the updates in more detail at the Capital Markets Day in autumn. That's still a few months to go.

Speaker #5: But it's not that long time. So I really unfortunately have to ask for your patience on that one. Of course, what are we targeting there?

Speaker #5: And the most important thing that also Michael is looking at is the product strategy. We have some issues that we want to address there.

Speaker #5: We've talked about that one also in the full year disclosure that we want to target segments rather in the higher end of the portfolio.

Jochen Breckner: We've talked about that one also in the full-year disclosure, that we want to target segments, rather in the higher end of the portfolio, and we want to sharpen the portfolio and become even more distinct in terms of our brand positioning. Talking about mix. Yeah, I think I've commented on that one. The 911 Turbo S helps already in our books. Then we have communicated, the, for the first time convertible version of the GT3, the SC car. Very, very, very well received in the market. That's a car that's also, again, as a product is really fun, but also, talking here as a CFO of the company, that's also something that I'm really looking forward for that will help us.

Speaker #5: And we want to sharpen the portfolio and become even more distinct in terms of our brand positioning. Talking about mix—yeah, I think I've commented on that one.

Speaker #5: The 9/11 turbo S helps already in our books. Then we have communicated the for the first time convertible version of the GT3, the SC car.

Speaker #5: Very, very, very well received in the markets. That's a car that's also again, as a product, is really fun. But also talking here as a CFO of the company, there's also something that I'm really looking forward for that will help us again as said the increasing BEV share put some pressure on our mix in the second half of the year and also ongoing then in what we call the bathtub 27, 28 before new products kick in and we can increase our performance even further.

Jochen Breckner: As said, the increasing BEV share puts some pressure on our mix in H2 and also ongoing then in what we call the BEV dip 2027, 2028 before new products kick in and we can increase our performance even further.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Thank you.

Christian Glissmann: Thank you.

Björn Scheib: Thank you very much. Next in the row, Horst of Bank of America, and then Steven of Bernstein.

Speaker #4: So thank you very much. Next in the row, Horst of Bank of America. And then Steven of Bernstein.

Björn Scheib: Thank you very much. Next in the row, Horst of Bank of America, and then Steven of Bernstein.

Speaker #7: Thank you. I hope you can hear me. I have got two questions. First of all, before I ask my questions, we know now what Oskumlich means when we look at your net cash flows.

[Analyst] (Bank of America): Thank you. I hope you can hear me.

Horst Schneider: Thank you. I hope you can hear me.

Jochen Breckner: We do.

[Analyst] (Bank of America): I have got two questions. First of all, before I ask my questions, we know now what Altkömmlich means when we look at your net cash flows. That's great. On the first question on Rimac, maybe you can give some more details. First of all, the book value, and then the potential closing, does that happen in 2026 or more in 2027? If you can, maybe an indication of the impact on financial income. The other question that I have is more phasing of wholesalers versus retail sales in connection with the Macan phase out. We see that wholesalers were again below retail in Q1. I would expect that to change basically in Q2 and Q3 and Q4 to be the opposite.

Horst Schneider: I have got two questions. First of all, before I ask my questions, we know now what Altkömmlich means when we look at your net cash flows. That's great. On the first question on Rimac, maybe you can give some more details. First of all, the book value, and then the potential closing, does that happen in 2026 or more in 2027? If you can, maybe an indication of the impact on financial income. The other question that I have is more phasing of wholesalers versus retail sales in connection with the Macan phase out. We see that wholesalers were again below retail in Q1. I would expect that to change basically in Q2 and Q3 and Q4 to be the opposite.

Speaker #7: That's great. Then on the first question on Rimac, maybe you can give some more details. So first of all, the book value. And then the potential closing.

Speaker #7: Does that happen in 2026 or more in 2027? And if you can, maybe an indication on the impact on financial income. The other questions that I have is more phasing of wholesales versus retail sales.

Speaker #7: In connection with the Macan phase out, we see that wholesales were again below retail in Q1. I would expect that to change basically in Q2 and Q3 and Q4 to be the opposite.

Speaker #7: So where do we end up then in the full year regarding wholesales versus retail sales? Is it going to be a year with destocking, or with restocking that's accelerating because of the Macan phase-out at year-end?

[Analyst] (Bank of America): Where do we end up then in the full year regarding wholesalers versus retail sales? It's gonna be a year with destocking or with restocking that's accelerating because of the Macan phase out at year-end. Thank you.

Horst Schneider: Where do we end up then in the full year regarding wholesalers versus retail sales? It's gonna be a year with destocking or with restocking that's accelerating because of the Macan phase out at year-end. Thank you.

Speaker #7: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Yeah, Horst. First on Rimac, Bugatti Rimac, and, say, the whole Rimac Group and our investments that we had there. Let me first comment a bit more generally on that one.

Jochen Breckner: Yeah. Horst, first on Rimac, Bugatti Rimac, and, say, the whole Rimac Group and our investments that we had there. Let me first comment a bit in more general on that one. We've decided to sell our investment in that group because we wanna focus on our core business, take care of the Porsche brand and our products. When it comes to parts of the activities of the broader Rimac Group, from our first VC investment perspective, we achieved what we wanted to achieve with our investments, and therefore, the exit was something that is very well in line with our strategy. Of course, otherwise, we would have not done it.

Speaker #4: We've decided to sell our investment in that group because we want to focus on our core business, take care of the Porsche brand and our products.

Speaker #4: And when it comes to parts of the activities of the broader Rimac Group, from our first VC investment perspective, we achieved what we wanted to achieve with our investments.

Speaker #4: And therefore, the exit was something that is very well in line with our strategy, of course. Otherwise, you would have not done it. Now, on the financials, the book value of the combined assets, the various shareholdings, and also some tangible assets like real estate and historic cars are 441 million euros in our books.

Jochen Breckner: On the financials, the book value of the combined assets, the various shareholdings, and also some tangible assets like real estate and historic cars, are EUR 441 million in our books. That's the number that you can also see in our balance sheet. EUR 411 million that you can see in our books as assets held for sale. As commented on the MHP, that's something that we expect that will not be the special effect that you will see once the closing comes into place. Talking about closing, that will take some time. There are also some legal issues, antitrust things that need to be checked. Normal procedures will take a couple of months.

Speaker #4: That's the number that you can also see in our balance sheet. Sorry, €411 million that you can see in our books as assets held for sale.

Speaker #4: As commented on the MHP, that's something that we expect—that, yeah, will not be the special effect that you will see once the closing comes into place.

Speaker #4: Talking about closing, that will take some time. There are also some legal issues, antitrust things that need to be checked. So, normal procedures will take a couple of months.

Speaker #4: That is not in our control. So, therefore, yeah, we communicate again on that topic when the closing has taken place. On the full year, we expect the numbers as you've seen it in the Q1.

Jochen Breckner: That is not in our control. Therefore, yeah, we communicate again on that topic when the closing has taken place. On the full year, we expect the wholesale numbers being below the retail numbers, as you've seen it in the Q1, mainly coming down to the portfolio effects and the supply structure that we have, as you've already commented on it. With that, taking also the time into consideration and as you know, not commenting too much into details on each and every model line and quarters, I think that gives a good orientation how we want to steer the full year.

Speaker #4: Mainly coming down to the portfolio effects and the supply structure that we have, as you’ve already commented on it. With that, taking also the time into consideration and, as you know, not commenting too much in detail on each and every model line and quarter, I think that gives a good orientation on how we want to steer the full year.

Speaker #7: But sorry, follow-up. So that means Q3 is this boost when the Macan phase-out and you produce whatever you can because then the production stops.

[Analyst] (Bank of America): Sorry, follow-up. That means Q3 is this boost when the Macan phase out and you produce whatever you can because then the production stops and Q4 is already destocking because production phased out, right?

Horst Schneider: Sorry, follow-up. That means Q3 is this boost when the Macan phase out and you produce whatever you can because then the production stops and Q4 is already destocking because production phased out, right?

Speaker #7: And Q4 is already destocked because production phase-out, right?

Jochen Breckner: We produce the ICE Macan until mid 2026, and we stock as much as we can based on also the supplier parts that we have, and then we sell these cars.

Speaker #4: We produce the ICE Macan until mid-2026. And we stock as much as we can based on also the supplier part that we have. And then we sell these cars over the months to come.

Jochen Breckner: We produce the ICE Macan until mid 2026, and we stock as much as we can based on also the supplier parts that we have, and then we sell these cars.

[Analyst] (Bank of America): Yeah

Horst Schneider: Yeah

Jochen Breckner: ... over the months to come. We will even see some sales in some regions in 2027. Of course, a declining trend will then kick in.

Speaker #4: We will even see some sales in some regions in 2027. But, of course, a declining trend will then kick in once the supply stops.

[Analyst] (Bank of America): Yeah

Horst Schneider: Yeah

Jochen Breckner: Once the supply stops.

Speaker #7: That's great. Thank you.

[Analyst] (Bank of America): That's great. Thank you.

Horst Schneider: That's great. Thank you.

Björn Scheib: Horst, thank you very much for your deutsch. Now we move over to Steven, and after Steven, we have Henning.

Speaker #4: Horst, thank you very much for your Glückwunsch. And now we move over to Steven. And after Steven, we have Henning.

Speaker #3: Yes. Good afternoon. Thank you, Johann and Björn. My question actually also builds on from your answer about the Macan. As you said, as you've already communicated, your self-introduction of the Macan ICE in the summer.

[Analyst] (Bernstein): Yes. Good afternoon. Thank you, Jochen Breckner, and Björn Scheib. My question actually also builds on from your answer about the Macan. As you said, as you've already communicated, you're stopping production of the Macan ICE in the summer. What opportunity have you had to at least increase production or to actually maximize production up to that date? Obviously, demand for the ICE Macan has proven to be very resilient, particularly in the US market, particularly versus demand for the BEV. Particularly, I think there's very good demand for the vehicles like the GTS version. Have you been able to, you know, maximize at least the ending of this vehicle? Thank you.

Stephen Reitman: Yes. Good afternoon. Thank you, Jochen Breckner, and Björn Scheib. My question actually also builds on from your answer about the Macan. As you said, as you've already communicated, you're stopping production of the Macan ICE in the summer. What opportunity have you had to at least increase production or to actually maximize production up to that date? Obviously, demand for the ICE Macan has proven to be very resilient, particularly in the US market, particularly versus demand for the BEV. Particularly, I think there's very good demand for the vehicles like the GTS version. Have you been able to, you know, maximize at least the ending of this vehicle? Thank you.

Speaker #3: What opportunities have you had to at least increase production or to actually maximize production up to that date? Obviously, demand for the ICE Macan has proven to be very resilient, particularly in the US market, particularly versus demand for the BEV.

Speaker #3: And particularly, I think there's very good demand for vehicles like the GTS version. So are you able to—have you been able to maximize at least the ending of this vehicle?

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Yeah, Steven, as already discussed in the last question from Horst, we are optimizing the run out of the ICE Macan. The production will be stopped in summer 2026.

Jochen Breckner: Yeah, Steven, as already discussed in the last question from Horst, we are optimizing the run out of the ICE Macan. The production will be stopped in summer 2026, and during the last month that we have, we produce as much as we can. Of course, our capacity is one factor there, but that's not limited, and supplier parts are the other issue. Based on what we have sold so far and the remaining stock that we have, ICE Macan will be sold in the months to come. As also already said in the last question, we will see sales even into 2027 in some regions, but there's a declining trend.

Speaker #4: And during the last month that we have, we produce as much as we can. Of course, our capacity is one factor there. But that's not limited on supplier parts are the other issue.

Speaker #4: And then, based on what we have sold so far and the remaining stock that we have, ICE Macan will be sold in the months to come.

Speaker #4: As also already said in the last question, we will see sales even into 2027 in some regions. But there's a declining trend. In the United States, the ICE Macan really has a great demand.

Jochen Breckner: In the United States, the ICE Macan really has a great demand. We are also supplying that region with the cars that we produce, and that's even more important based on the fact that the tax incentives on the electric vehicles have been stopped by the US government. Those were $7,500 US dollars per car, which is a substantial issue. Therefore, there's some pressure on the electric Macan in the United States. Therefore, we provide as many ICE Macans in the United States as we can.

Speaker #4: So we are also supplying that region with the cars that we produce. And that's even more important based on the fact that the tax incentives on the electric vehicles have been stopped by the US government.

Speaker #4: But those were $7,500 US dollars per car, which is a substantial issue. So therefore, there's some pressure on the electric Macan in the United States.

Speaker #4: And therefore, we provide as many ICE Macans in the United States as we can.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

[Analyst] (Bernstein): Thank you.

Stephen Reitman: Thank you.

Speaker #4: So, last in the first section of the analyst Q&A, we'll be now from Barclays, Henning, and then we move over to the media. Should we have some spare time after the Q&A with the media?

Björn Scheib: Last in the first section of the analyst Q&A will be now from Barclays, Henning, and then we move over to the media. Should we have some spare time after the Q&A with the media, then we will see if there are other questions from analyst investors. Henning, the line is open.

Speaker #4: Then we will see if there are other questions from analysts and investors. Henning, the line is open.

[Analyst] (Barclays): Hi. Thank you, Björn. Thanks for squeezing me in. Perhaps one question on the guidance. The wording is a little bit different than what we've seen from everybody else with this, excluding Middle East. I must say I'm a bit confused, and there's a few client questions as well. If we can just clarify that. I think, Jochen, you said you do expect a further temporary weakness, yet it's excluded from the guidance. I just wanna make sure you're not intending for this to be some sort of soft management of the top end of the guidance range or something like that. If you could just sort of clarify what you really mean with this wording around the Middle East effect being excluded. That's the first question.

Henning Cosman: Hi. Thank you, Björn. Thanks for squeezing me in. Perhaps one question on the guidance. The wording is a little bit different than what we've seen from everybody else with this, excluding Middle East. I must say I'm a bit confused, and there's a few client questions as well. If we can just clarify that. I think, Jochen, you said you do expect a further temporary weakness, yet it's excluded from the guidance. I just wanna make sure you're not intending for this to be some sort of soft management of the top end of the guidance range or something like that. If you could just sort of clarify what you really mean with this wording around the Middle East effect being excluded. That's the first question.

Speaker #3: Hi. Thank you, Björn. Thanks for squeezing me in. Perhaps one question on the guidance. The wording is a little bit different than what we've seen from everybody else, with this excluding Middle East.

Speaker #3: And I must say, I'm a bit confused and there are a few client questions as well. So if we can just clarify that. I think, Jochen, you said you do expect a further temporary weakness.

Speaker #3: Yet it's excluded from the guidance. So I just want to make sure you're not intending for this to be some sort of soft management of the top end of the guidance range, or something like that.

Speaker #3: If you could just sort of clarify what you really mean with this wording around the Middle East effect being excluded. That's the first question.

[Analyst] (Barclays): The second question perhaps on supplier compensation. You mentioned it briefly in your prepared remarks. Can you just remind us if we're already in a period where the supplier compensations are declining, can you maybe remind us of the magnitude? Or are the compensation payments sort of stable or increasing because the original budget for the BEVs was still going up. Despite the fact that, you know, in timing they're rolling off, but in size they were growing as it were. Where are we in this dynamic around the supplier compensations? Thank you.

Speaker #3: And the second question perhaps on supplier compensation. You mentioned it briefly in your prepared remarks. Can you just remind us if we're already in a period where the supplier compensations are declining?

Henning Cosman: The second question perhaps on supplier compensation. You mentioned it briefly in your prepared remarks. Can you just remind us if we're already in a period where the supplier compensations are declining, can you maybe remind us of the magnitude? Or are the compensation payments sort of stable or increasing because the original budget for the BEVs was still going up. Despite the fact that, you know, in timing they're rolling off, but in size they were growing as it were. Where are we in this dynamic around the supplier compensations? Thank you.

Speaker #3: Can you maybe remind us of the magnitude? Or are the compensation payments sort of stable or increasing because the original budget for the BEVs was still going up?

Speaker #3: So despite the fact that the timing—they're rolling off—but in size, they were growing, as it were. So where are we in this dynamic around the supplier compensations?

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Jochen Breckner: Henning, thanks for raising the first question, we need to have clarity there. Let me start with Q1 again. With the war and the conflict in the Middle East region kicking in, we've seen first negative effects in March, based on lower demand that we've seen because people are a bit more reluctant in going to a Porsche dealership and ordering a car. Also the supply of the cars is not possible in the way that it used to be by the ships. Now, with 2% of our sales volumes in that region, in March, we were able to reallocate the volumes and compensate by sales in other regions across the world.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Henning, thanks for raising the first question. So we need to have clarity there. Let me start with the first quarter again. With the war and the conflict in the Middle East region kicking in, we've seen first negative effects in March based on lower demand that we've seen because people are a bit more reluctant in going to a Porsche dealership.

Speaker #4: And ordering a car and also the supply of the cars is not possible in the way that it used to be by the ships.

Speaker #4: Now, with 2% of our sales volumes in that region in March, we were able to reallocate the volumes and compensate by sales in other regions across the world.

Speaker #4: If the conflict would not be a temporary one, but would rather be a constant and long-lasting one, and we would see huge effects—also effects that are not only sales in the specific regions, which we can partly compensate—but also if we would see spillover effects on a worldwide economy situation, then that would be something that we would need to see how that would affect our Porsche business model.

Jochen Breckner: If the conflict would be not a temporary one, but would be rather a constant one and long-lasting, and we would see huge effects also, as effects that are not only sales in the specific regions, which we can partly compensate, but also, if we would see spillover effects on a worldwide economy situation, then that would be something that we would need to see how that would affect our Porsche business model. As of now, based on the situation that we see, we confirm our guidance 5.5% to 7.5%, and there is no reason to manage that downwards. Second question was on supplier compensation.

Speaker #4: But as of now, as of now, based on the situation that we see, we confirm our guidance of 5.5% to 7.5%. And there's no reason to manage that downwards.

Speaker #4: The second question was on supplier compensation. We've covered most of it from a negotiation perspective. With the supplies we had, because we've updated our expectations on the electric cars to the level that we see in the market with the cars that are already there—namely the Taycan, and also the Macan.

Jochen Breckner: We've covered most of it from a negotiation perspective with the suppliers we had, because we've updated our expectations on the electric cars to the level that we see in the market with the cars that are already there, namely the Taycan and also the Macan. Based on that and also from the customer feedback we have, we have quite a good visibility on what we can expect on the Cayenne Electric that we will see this year, and also ongoing on the 718 Boxster Cayman, which will be the first real electric sports cars in the market with the right crest on the hood that you would expect for such a car. That's a rather stable situation.

Speaker #4: And based on that, and also from the customer feedback we have, we have quite a good visibility on what we can expect on the Cayenne Electric that we will see this year, and also ongoing on the 718 Boxster Cayman, which will be the first real electric sports cars in the market with the right crest on the hood that you would expect for such a car.

Speaker #4: So, therefore, that's a rather stable situation. However, what you need to keep in mind is that settling supplier compensation does not mean that these numbers are not also included in the guidance for the current year and also in our midterm planning, because these settlements result in higher material prices.

Jochen Breckner: However, what you need to keep in mind that settling supplier compensation does not mean that these numbers are not also included in the guidance for the current year and also in our midterm planning, because these settlements result in higher material prices to some extent, that are then covered by the sale of the car within our contribution margin. Thank you very much.

Speaker #4: To some extent, that are then covered by the sale of the car within our contribution margin.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Jochen. So they're already on the way down? Or they're stable? Or they're going up?

[Analyst] (Barclays): Thank you, Jochen. They're already on the way down, or they're stable, or they're going up?

Henning Cosman: Thank you, Jochen. They're already on the way down, or they're stable, or they're going up?

Speaker #4: Yeah. I mean, that's that would take a bit more time to explain that in detail. We've covered for the effects that we see negotiations are going on very well.

Jochen Breckner: I mean, that's. That would take a bit more time to explain that in detail. We've covered for the effects that we see. Negotiations are going on very well, we see also positive effects from what our colleagues in the purchase department are achieving there. From a P&L perspective, these have been partly one of the effects that you have seen in 2025, especially with the stop of the SSP 61 platform and the heads and cars that we wanted to build on that platform. For the other cars, it's really a mixture of things that are already covered and that will be within our margins of the car.

Speaker #4: So we see also positive effects from what our colleagues in the Purchase department are achieving there. And from a P&L perspective, these have been partly one of the effects that you have seen in 2025, especially with the stop of the SSP 61 platform and the hats and cars that we wanted to build on that platform.

Speaker #4: And for the other cars, it's really a mixture of things that are already covered and that will be within our margins of the car.

Speaker #3: Thank you very much.

[Analyst] (Barclays): Thank you very much.

Henning Cosman: Thank you very much.

Speaker #4: Very good. And with this, I would now love to hand over to Florian.

Jochen Breckner: Very good. With this, I would now love to hand over to Florian.

Björn Scheib: Very good. With this, I would now love to hand over to Florian.

Speaker #5: Okay. Perfect. Thanks, Björn. And coming to the second set of questions here, Benjamin Wagner, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, your first was your question.

Florian Laudan: Okay. Perfect. Thanks, Björn. Coming to the second set of questions here. Benjamin Wagner, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, you're first with your question.

Benjamin Wagner: Can you hear me?

Speaker #6: Can you hear me?

Benjamin Wagner: Can you hear me?

Speaker #5: Yes. Good to hear you.

Florian Laudan: Yes. Good to hear you.

Benjamin Wagner: Thank you for taking my questions. Can you provide some more insight into the Chinese market? Mercedes announced again today that it was lowering prices in order to remain competitive at all. What is the situation like for you? Which cars will you still be able to sell there and then, and at what prices? Does the new electric Cayenne even have a chance there? Another question about the cost-cutting programs. Profits in 2025 have dropped due to the costs of these programs and the new strategy. Now Michael Leiters has announced further cost-cutting measures for this year. What will these programs cost, and will you be able to meet your return targets on this basis?

Speaker #6: Thank you for taking my questions. Can you provide some more insight into the Chinese market? Mercedes announced again today that it will be lowering prices in order to remain competitive at all.

Speaker #6: What is the situation like for you? Which cars will you still be able to sell there? And at what prices? And does the new electric Cayenne even have a chance there?

Speaker #6: And another question about the cost-cutting programs. Profits in 2025 have dropped due to the costs of these programs and the new strategy. Now, Michael Leiters has announced further cost-cutting measures for this year.

Speaker #6: What will these programs cost? And will you be able to meet your return targets on this basis?

Speaker #4: Yeah, Benjamin, thanks for the two questions. Let me start with the Chinese market in general, and then let me also give some brief comments on the electric Cayenne.

Jochen Breckner: Benjamin, thanks for the two questions. Let me start with the Chinese market in general, and then let me also give some brief comments on the electric Cayenne. The Chinese market is a market where we see a fierce price competition and a general fierce competition in all segments, also in the luxury segments, for especially imported cars. Based on that, we see declining volumes from peak volumes that we had a few years ago of above 90,000 units down to 42,000 units in 2025. We've also said that based on our portfolio and market trends, we expect an even a significantly lower volume in 2026, just above 30,000 units. Why is that? Because we follow our value over volume strategy.

Speaker #4: So, the Chinese market is a market where we see a fierce price competition—and a general fierce competition in all segments, also in the luxury segments, especially for imported cars.

Speaker #4: So, based on that, we see declining volumes from peak volumes that we had a few years ago of above 90,000 units, down to 42,000 units in 2025.

Speaker #4: And we've also said that, based on our portfolio and market trends, we expect an even significantly lower volume in 2026, just above 30,000 units.

Speaker #4: Why is that? Because we follow our volume-over-volume, value-over-volume strategy. We focus on pricing. We focus on our brand equity for long-term success in each and every market, and also particularly in China.

Jochen Breckner: We focus on pricing. We focus on our brand equity for long-term success in each and every market, and also particularly in China. We will always, if the demand is not on a level where it might have been or where it should be, reduce production. We have the flexibility. We do not have local production with a lot of investments, no joint ventures and these things. Therefore, we are flexible to that end, and we control the market in that direction, which is important. On the Cayenne electric, that car is, as I've said in the first part of the call, this is a real Porsche.

Speaker #4: So we will always, if the demand is not on a level where it might have been or where it should be, we reduce production, and we have the flexibility.

Speaker #4: We do not have local production with a lot of investments, no joint ventures. And these things. So therefore, we are flexible to that end.

Speaker #4: And we control the market in that direction. Which is important. And then on the Cayenne Electric, that car is, as I've said in the first part of the call, this is a real Porsche.

Speaker #4: This is an insane driving machine. And also, for Porsche car, I'm rather competitively priced in China at 1.1 million. And therefore, it's specifically positioned, especially for the Chinese market.

Jochen Breckner: This is an insane driving machine, also for a Porsche car rather competitively priced in China at EUR 1.1 million. Therefore, it's specifically positioned, especially for the Chinese market. With that price point in that segment, you cannot expect really high numbers. This is rather positioning car, which will have some success. From a media and customer perspective, it was very well received and commented on. Second question was on cost effects. Of course, we're working on the Push-to-Pass program full flat out day by day, scrutinizing each and every cost item that we have, optimizing everything that we have, questioning everything that we have. We do that because we need to make the company more resilient and flexible and to reduce our break-even point.

Speaker #4: But with that price point in that segment, you cannot expect really high numbers. This is rather a positioning car, which will have some success. And from a media and customer perspective, it was very well received and commented on.

Speaker #4: Second question was on cost effects. Of course, we're working on the push-to-pass program. Full flat out, day by day, scrutinizing each and every cost item that we have, optimizing everything that we have questioning everything that we have.

Speaker #4: And we do that because we need to make the company more resilient and flexible, and to reduce our break-even point. I've commented on that one also.

Jochen Breckner: I've commented on that one also. That means fixed cost structures, but also variable costs, material costs that need to be optimized. We've even increased speed on these initiatives with Michael joining the company on 1 January, because also for him, this is something that he really, really is looking at. As I said, doing the analysis on where we as a company are standing, improving the cost structures is really key. These programs, as we look at them today, do not come with additional costs as far as we have defined them so far. If there are additional programs that would change that situation, that might be something that we communicate on a Capital Markets Day.

Speaker #4: That means fixed cost structures, but also variable costs—material costs that need to be optimized. And we've even increased speed on these initiatives with Michael joining the company on January 1st, because also, for him, this is something that he really, really is looking at.

Speaker #4: And as I said, doing the analysis on where we as a company are standing improving the cost structures is really key. These programs as we look at them today do not come with additional costs as far as we have defined them so far.

Speaker #4: If there are additional programs that would change that situation, that might be something that we communicate on a Capital Markets Day. But for the time being, this is really things that we do internally, based on processes and structures that we have.

Florian Laudan: For the time being, this is really things that we do internally, based on processes and structures that we have. Okay. Thank you, Jochen. Next in line is Sebastian Esch from Financial Times. Hi, Sebastian.

Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you, Jochen. Next in line is Sebastian H., from Financial Times. Hi, Sebastian.

Speaker #7: Hi there. And thanks for taking my questions. Just looking at the BEV share in the first quarter, it seems to be slightly lower than what the average was over the past year.

Sebastian Esch: Hi there, thanks for taking my questions. Just looking at the BEV share in Q1, it seems to be slightly lower than what the average was over the past year. You said you were still confident about that increasing overall. I mean, maybe you can break down why it's gone down in Q1 and also say how it might recover over the next 3. Then in relation to that, you say you're working on your new 2035 Strategy. The direction seems to be very much away from electric mobility and battery vehicles and back towards more emphasis on petrol cars and hybrids, of course. Well, we've seen renewed interest, if anything, in EVs in the European market at least.

Speaker #7: You said you were still confident about that increasing overall. I mean, maybe you can break down why it's gone down in the first quarter, and also say how it might recover over the next three.

Speaker #7: And then in relation to that, you say you're working on your new 2035 strategy direction seems to be very much away from electric mobility and battery vehicles and back towards more emphasis on petrol cars and hybrids, of course.

Speaker #7: We've seen renewed interest, if anything, in EVs in the European market, at least. Do you think that do you think that that direction is still the right one given the developments we've seen and perhaps also rising prices for fossil fuels?

Sebastian Esch: Do you think that that direction is still the right one, given the developments we've seen and perhaps also rising prices for fossil fuels?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Sebastian, quick answer. On the BEV share, which is lower in Q1 than we had the numbers in 2025 and which is also lower than the BEV share that we are guiding for.

Jochen Breckner: Yeah, Sebastian, quick answer on the BEV share, which is lower in Q1 than we had the numbers in 2025 and which is also lower than the BEV share that we are guiding for. The main and mere reason for that one is that we have some decreases in demand, especially in the United States, on electric cars based on the general trend that we see in the States and also based on the abolishment of the $7,500 US dollar subsidies that were paid for BEV cars until late in 2025.

Speaker #4: And the main and mere reason for that one is that we have some decreases in demand, especially in the United States, on electric cars based on the general trend that we've seen in the States and also based on the abolishment of the $7,500 US dollar subsidies that were paid for BEV cars until late in 2025.

Speaker #4: So that's giving some pressure on the BEV share. But it will increase this year once the electric Cayenne hits the market, which is an addition to our product portfolio.

Jochen Breckner: That's given some pressures on the BEV share, but it will increase in this year once the electric Cayenne hits the market, which is an addition to our product portfolio, and that will add to the, yeah, electric sales that we have. On the second question, more on the strategy side, I mean, we are coming from a strategy where we're targeting 80% of full electric cars by 2030 based on the trends in the market segments that we had seen 3, 4, 5 years ago. Based on that one, we've built our product portfolio.

Speaker #4: And that will add to the electric sales that we have. On the second question, more on the strategy side—I mean, we are coming from a strategy where we were targeting 80% of full electric cars by 2030, based on the trends in the market segments that we had seen three, four, five years ago.

Speaker #4: And based on that one, we've built our product portfolio. Now, given the effect that and the fact that the trend into electric mobility is much more differentiated across the regions, just said in the United States, it is really muted these days and not expected to pick up substantially.

Jochen Breckner: Now, given the effect that, and the fact that, the trend into electric mobility is much more differentiated across the regions, just that in the United States, it's really muted these days and not expected to pick up substantially over the next years. Also, the special situation in China, we need to adjust our product portfolio to target the demand that our customers and our segments are looking for.

Speaker #4: Over the next years, also the special situation in China, we need to adjust our product portfolio to target the demand that our customers in our segments are looking for.

Speaker #4: And therefore, what we've already done to some extent, and which we are also further focusing on and pushing forward, is that we have a balanced portfolio where we can offer all three drivetrains: full electric cars, but also the plug-in hybrid versions, and the combustion cars in the various segments to address the customer demand in the various regions, as the customers want to have our cars.

Jochen Breckner: What we've already done to some extent, and that which we are also further focusing on and pushing forward to, is that we have a balanced portfolio where we can offer all three drivetrains, full electric cars, but also the plug-in hybrid versions and the combustion cars in the various segments to address the customer demand in the various regions, as the customers want to have our cars.

Florian Laudan: Mm-hmm. Okay. Thank you. Next in line is Rachel. Rachel Moore from Thomson Reuters. Rachel, your question, please.

Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you. Next in line is Rachel—Rachel Moore from Thomson Reuters. Rachel, your question, please.

Speaker #8: Hi, good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one is if you could give some detail on the €900 million in extraordinary costs that you're expecting this year.

Rachel Moore: Hi. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one is if you could give some detail on the EUR 900 million in extraordinary costs that you're expecting this year. I also wanted to ask about the impact of the Middle East conflict on costs for Porsche. Are you seeing a rise in cost for raw materials, and are there any raw materials in particular where you're seeing this trend? Thank you.

Rachael Moore: Hi. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one is if you could give some detail on the EUR 900 million in extraordinary costs that you're expecting this year. I also wanted to ask about the impact of the Middle East conflict on costs for Porsche. Are you seeing a rise in cost for raw materials, and are there any raw materials in particular where you're seeing this trend? Thank you.

Speaker #8: And I also wanted to ask about the impacts of the Middle East conflict on costs for Porsche. Are there any are you seeing a rise in costs for raw materials and are there any raw materials in particular where you're seeing this trend?

Speaker #8: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Yeah, Rachel, the up to €900 million special and extraordinary expenses that we expect for the full year were also explained in our full-year disclosure a few weeks ago.

Jochen Breckner: Rachel, the up to EUR 900 million of special and extraordinary expenses that we expect for the full year, we also explained in our full-year disclosure a few weeks ago. They tie back to the clusters that we are addressing since a couple of months, since we are realigning the strategy and the structures, namely our battery activities, the product measures that we have, realigning our product portfolio, and the structural measures we are taking to becoming more lean and cost-effective when it comes to workforce and also management structures. These are the effects that we have in our books.

Speaker #4: They tie back to the clusters that we are addressing since a couple of months, since we are realigning the strategy and the structures—namely, our battery activities.

Speaker #4: The product measures that we have realigning our product portfolio and also the structural measures we are taking to becoming more lean and cost-effective when it comes to workforce and also management structures.

Speaker #4: These are the effects that we have in our books on top of that. We decided to have a launch that is really focusing on quality for the full electric Cayenne.

Jochen Breckner: On top of that, we decided to have launch that is really focusing on quality for the full electric Cayenne, so that car will hit the market on the quality level that you would expect from a Porsche car. Therefore, we had to postpone the launch of the car for a few weeks. It's a few weeks. It's not months or years with other cars in the past. It's few weeks. Again, that comes back to the execution issue that was raised by Tim in the other call. It gives us a smaller headwind in 2026, and we also have a charge included in our guidance for the focusing on the core activities that we are following in our portfolio. On the Middle East situation, I think we had already quite some comments on that one.

Speaker #4: So that car will hit the market on a quality level that you would expect from a Porsche car. Therefore, we had to postpone the launch of the car for a few weeks.

Speaker #4: It's a few weeks. It's not months or years, like with other cars in the past. It's a few weeks. Again, that comes back to the execution issue that was raised by Tim in the other call.

Speaker #4: But it gives us a smaller headwind in 2026. And we also have a charge included in our guidance for focusing on the core activities that we are following in our portfolio.

Speaker #4: On the Middle East situation, I think we had already quite some comments on that one. We are tracking the dynamics in the region. It's difficult to predict what will happen.

Jochen Breckner: We are tracking the dynamics in the region. It's difficult to predict what will happen. For the time being, we do not have issues in the supply chain, so we can run the production as we are planning to run it to fulfill the demand in the various regions that we have. Cost pressures that we see are mitigated through our hedging strategy and our supplier contracts that are rather long-term contracts. For the time being, no excessive cost pressure there. If the conflict would remain and the whole economy worldwide would change, then of course, things might also change. For the time being, we look at it as just commented.

Speaker #4: For the time being, we do not have issues in the supply chain, so we can run the production as we are planning to run it to fulfill the demand in the various regions that we have.

Speaker #4: Pressures that we see are mitigated through our hedging strategy and our supplier contracts, which are rather long-term contracts. So, for the time being, no excessive cost pressure there.

Speaker #4: But if the conflict would remain, and the whole economy worldwide would change, then, of course, things might also change. But for the time being, we look at it as just commented.

Florian Laudan: Okay. Thank you. Next up is Monica Raymunt from Bloomberg News. Good to see you on the call, Monica.

Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you. Next up is Monica Raymond from Bloomberg News. Good to see you in the call, Monica.

Florian Laudan: Okay. Thank you. Next up is Monica Raymunt from Bloomberg News. Good to see you on the call, Monica.

Speaker #6: Nice to be here. Thanks so much. Can you hear me all right?

Monica Raymunt: Nice to be here. Thanks so much. Can you hear me all right?

Speaker #5: Yes.

Florian Laudan: Yes.

Speaker #6: Wonderful. Thanks so much. I have two questions for Mr. Breckner. The first, you've mentioned on the call with analysts some discussions about M&A activities and how that might impact Porsche in the form of one-off charges for the rest of the year.

Monica Raymunt: Wonderful.

Florian Laudan: Go ahead.

Monica Raymunt: Thanks so much. I have two questions for Mr. Breckner. The first, you've mentioned on the call with analysts, some discussions about M&A activities and how that might impact Porsche in the form of one-off charges for the rest of the year. I was wondering, could you comment on whether or not you're actually holding discussions on the sale of MHP or are planning to sell MHP? My second question, Mr. Breckner, you said that Porsche is scrutinizing each and every cost item that you have. You're optimizing everything that you have in front of you from the operations side, from your production side, et cetera. As part of those efforts to become leaner, where do you see potential to leverage synergies within the Volkswagen Group?

Speaker #6: I was wondering, could you comment on whether or not you're actually holding discussions on the sale of MHP, or if you are planning to sell MHP?

Speaker #6: And then my second question, Mr. Breckner: You said that Porsche is scrutinizing each and every cost item that you have. You're optimizing everything that you have in front of you, from the operations side, from your production side, et cetera.

Speaker #6: As part of those efforts to become leaner, where do you see potential to leverage synergies within the Volkswagen Group? Would you say that there's room to work more closely with Audi, for example?

Monica Raymunt: Would you say that there's room to work more closely with Audi, for example?

Speaker #4: Yeah, Monica, thanks for the two questions. On your first one, about our shareholdings, let me just again underline that we, as part of our strategy and our updates in the strategy, are running an initiative that we call 'Focus on the Core.'

Jochen Breckner: Yeah. Monica, thanks for the two questions. On your first one, about our shareholdings, let me just again underline that we, as part of our strategy and our updates in the strategy, are running an initiative that we call Focus on the Core. We want to reduce complexity, and we want to become even more efficient in our capital allocation, investing into what the Porsche brand stands for, and that's our model portfolio that we have with the two- and four-door sports cars. With that, we are constantly evaluating the full portfolio, and we've commented on the MHP situation last summer, and that's unchanged. We think that an updated shareholder structure from MHP might be beneficial for that incredible company for software and digitalization consulting services.

Speaker #4: We want to reduce complexity and we want to become even more efficient in our capital allocation investing into what the Porsche brand stands for.

Speaker #4: And that's our model portfolio that we have with the two and four-door sports cars. With that, we are constantly evaluating the full portfolio. And we've commented on the MHP situation last summer.

Speaker #4: And that's unchanged. We think that an updated shareholder structure from MHP might be beneficial. For that, incredible company, for software and digitalization, consulting services, but we are doing cars.

Jochen Breckner: We are doing cars, therefore, changes there might be something that we want to look at. For the time being, no decisions, nothing to communicate on that one. On your second question, on leaner structures and especially on synergies within the Volkswagen Group, that's a very important issue for us. We are part of the Volkswagen Group, we are in a very positive situation that we can benefit from technologies, from platforms, also from combining purchasing power within the Volkswagen Group, and we do that with various cars. We share platforms, especially with Audi, especially on the SUVs. Also we are offering our technology to other sister brands in the group.

Speaker #4: So, therefore, changes there might be something that we want to look at. But for the time being, no decisions—nothing to communicate on that one.

Speaker #4: On your second question, on leaner structures and especially on synergies within the Volkswagen Group, that's a very important issue for us. We are part of the Volkswagen Group and we are in, say, a very positive situation that we can benefit from technologies, from platforms, also from combining purchasing power within the Volkswagen Group.

Speaker #4: And we do that with various cars. We share platforms, especially with Audi, especially on the SUVs. But also, we are offering our technology to other sister brands in the group.

Speaker #4: For example, the platform that we have developed and that is our under control for the Panamera is a platform that is also used by Bentley for their two-door and four-door cars.

Jochen Breckner: For example, the platform that we have developed and that is our under control for the Panamera is a platform that is also used by Bentley for their two-door and four-door cars, other than the SUV. There is a lot of synergies that can be exploited. We do that heavily. That helps us improving our cost structures. It's what's really important to add is we do always do that to an extent that we can still do a Porsche sports car. When we take over a platform from Audi, we never use it one-to-one without any changes. We leave as much unchanged as possible to have the synergies.

Speaker #4: Other than the SUV, so there is a lot of synergies that can be exploited. We do that heavily. That helps us improving our cost structures.

Speaker #4: But it was really important to add this. We do always do that to an extent that we can still do a Porsche sports car.

Speaker #4: So, when we take over a platform from Audi, we never use it one-to-one without any changes. We leave as much unchanged as possible to have the synergies.

Speaker #4: But if there are items that we need to change to make a Porsche, we do that and invest on top into the platforms because this is really the most important strategic position that we follow a car with a crest of Porsche is a Porsche.

Jochen Breckner: If there are items that we need to change to make a Porsche a Porsche, we do that and invest on top into the platforms because this is really the most important strategic position that we follow. A car with a crest of Porsche is a Porsche, and it's differentiated from the cars we have from the sister brands.

Speaker #4: And it's differentiated from the cars we have from the sister brands.

Speaker #5: All right. Looking at the time, let's go to the last question and to another familiar name, Ilona Wissenbach, Thomson Reuters, it's yours.

Björn Scheib: All right. Looking at the time, let's go to the last question. It's another familiar name, Ilona Wissenbach, Thomson Reuters. It's yours.

Ilona Wissenbach: Yes. Thank you. I was wondering, recently Oliver Blume said in an interview with manager magazin that he wants to reduce the production capacity, as I understood it, by 1 million in the whole Volkswagen Group. I wonder what this means for Porsche as the sales are going further down. I wonder if you can give us any indication where production capacity stands currently and how far you got in adjusting the cost basis to 250,000 volume per year.

Speaker #7: Yes, thank you. I was wondering—recently, Oliver Blume said in an interview with Manager Magazin that he wants to reduce the production capacity, as I understood it, by 1 million.

Speaker #7: In the whole Volkswagen Group, and I wonder what this means for Porsche. As the sales are going further down, I wonder if you can give us any indication where production capacity stands currently.

Speaker #7: And how far have you gotten in adjusting the cost basis to a 250,000 volume per year?

Speaker #4: Yeah. First, the statements from Oliver is something that we do not comment on. I mean, that's for the broader Volkswagen Group. So just let us leave that aside.

Jochen Breckner: Yeah. First, the statement from Oliver is something that we do not comment on. I mean, that's for the broader Volkswagen Group. Just let us leave that aside. Talking about Porsche, we've already reduced production capacity based on the flexible model that we have in two dimensions. Looking at the past, just a few years ago, we were using four plants, two own plants, one in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen and the other one in Leipzig. On top of that, we were running our cars in Bratislava and in Osnabrück. These two plants belong to Volkswagen. Given the output that we need, we have already canceled our contract in Osnabrück. We are not producing cars there anymore. That was also a reduction in production capacity.

Speaker #4: Talking about Porsche, we've already reduced production capacity based on the flexible model that we have in two dimensions. Looking at the past, just a few years ago, we were using four plants to own plants, one in Stuttgart, Zuffenhausen, and the other one in Leipzig.

Speaker #4: And on top of that, we were running our cars in Bratislava. And in Osnabrück. These two plants belong to Volkswagen. Given the output that we need, we have already canceled our contract in Osnabrück.

Speaker #4: So, we are not producing cars there anymore, so that was also a reduction in production capacity. On top of that, we've also adjusted capacity in our own plants. We communicated that last year—that we reduced the workforce not only in the indirect functions, but also direct workforce personnel, especially temporary workers that we didn't need anymore.

Jochen Breckner: On top of that, we've also adjusted capacity in our own plants. We communicated that last year that we reduced the workforce not only in the indirect functions, but also direct workforce personnel, especially temporary workers, that we didn't need anymore based on the demands that we have. Therefore, we have a quite flexible setup that we optimize, of course, year by year. These are the major effects that we already had and have put into place. On top of that, talking about capacity, also a very important part of our strategy these days, but also going forward in terms of expansion, is that we see a huge demand in the market for what we call the Sonderwunsch program, individualization of the cars.

Speaker #4: Based on the demands that we have. So, therefore, we have a quite flexible setup that we optimize, of course, year by year. But these are the major effects that we already had.

Speaker #4: And have put into place. On top of that, talking about capacity is also a very important part of our strategy these days, but also going forward in terms of expansion, as we see a huge demand in the markets for what we call the Sonderwunsch Programme.

Speaker #4: Individualization of the cars. And we use SCARS—now, excess capacity that we have in some areas—to increase the supply that we have for these parts of our business model.

Jochen Breckner: We use excess capacity that we have in some areas to increase the supply that we have for these parts of our business model.

Speaker #7: And the capacity right now stands at how many units?

Ilona Wissenbach: The capacity right now stands at how many units?

Speaker #4: I mean, we have a flexible production network. We can produce the number of cars that we need to have. You've seen in the past that we've sold 320,000 cars that were able to be processed through the factories that we have.

Jochen Breckner: I mean, we have a flexible production network. We can produce the number of cars that we need to have. You've seen in the past that we've sold 320,000 cars that were able to be processed through the factories that we have. But also in this year, where we are down to around 250,000 units more or less, is something that the capacity can take care of. As I said, we do the optimization for these years where we have less outputs than in the past.

Speaker #4: But also in this year, where we are down to around 250,000 units, more or less, is something that the capacity can take care of.

Speaker #4: And as I said, we do the optimization for these years where we have less output than in the past.

Speaker #7: Thanks.

Ilona Wissenbach: Thanks.

Speaker #5: Thank you very much, Jochen, and Florian. But now, as we have Michael Punzet of die SETBANK tenaciously waiting all the time by the end of this call, and we still have one minute left—Michael, this commitment needs to be incentivized.

Björn Scheib: Thank you very much, Jochen and Florian. Now, as we have Michael Punzet of DZ Bank tenaciously waiting all the time by the end of this call, and we still have 1 minute left, Michael, this commitment needs to be incentivized. As such, the last question goes to you.

Speaker #5: As such, the last question goes to you.

Speaker #8: Okay, thank you for that. I have only one question with regard to China. I see some reports that China is intent to implement an emission regulation in 2028.

Michael Punzet: Okay. Thank you for that. I have only one question with regard to China. I see some reports that China is intend to implement an emission regulation in 2028. Will this have any impact on your product offering in China from today's point of view?

Speaker #8: Will this have any impact on your product offering in China? From today's point of view?

Jochen Breckner: Let me answer that in general. We are monitoring emission legislation in all the regions and all the markets that we have. Of course, there are some dynamics. You are aware about the discussions in the European Union about averaging effects, about targets in 2030, 2035. Also in the United States under the Trump administration, some things have changed. Also in China, we react to the regulation that we have. We analyze that, but as of now, we do not see significant impacts. Sometimes things change rather fast also in China. You might remember the situation on the luxury tax that was increased or maybe to put it more precisely, but the threshold for the luxury tax was decreased more or less overnight within 48 hours.

Speaker #4: Let me answer that in general. We are monitoring emission legislation in all the regions and all the markets that we have. Of course, there are some dynamics.

Speaker #4: You are aware about the discussions in the European Union about averaging effects, about targets in 2030, 2035. Also in the United States under the Trump administration, some things have changed.

Speaker #4: And also in China, we react to the regulation that we have. We analyze that. But as of now, we do not see significant impacts.

Speaker #4: But sometimes things change rather fast also in China. You might remember the situation on the luxury tax that was increased, or maybe, to put it more precisely, the threshold for the luxury tax was decreased more or less overnight, within 48 hours.

Speaker #4: So these are situations where you then need to adjust yourselves and the business model as good as we can. But as of now, yeah, we are analyzing regulations and react.

Jochen Breckner: These are situations where you then need to adjust yourselves and the business model as good as we can. As of now, yeah, we are analyzing regulations and react and develop our portfolio in that direction.

Speaker #4: And develop our portfolio in that direction.

Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you, Jochen. 19 on the dial. 19:01. So slightly over time. Thank you, Jochen, for answering all the questions. Thank you, Björn, for being with me.

Florian Laudan: Okay. Thank you, Jochen. 19 on the dial, 19:01. Slightly over time. Thank you, Jochen, for answering all the questions. Thank you, Björn, for being with me. This was our Q1 disclosure call. Thanks, everyone, for joining in. Thanks for the participation, and have a nice evening.

Speaker #5: This was our Q1 disclosure call. Thanks, everyone, for joining in. Thanks for the participation. And have a nice evening.

Speaker #8: Thanks, everyone. Have a nice evening.

Jochen Breckner: Thanks, everyone. Have a nice evening.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, the call is now over. Thank you for joining, and have a pleasant day. Goodbye.

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