Q1 2026 Riley Exploration Permian Inc Earnings Call
Operator 2: Good day, and welcome to Riley Exploration Permian First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the formal presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, please press star 1. Please note that this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Philip Riley, our Chief Financial Officer. Sir, you may begin.
Speaker #1: mode. Following the formal presentation, begin.
Speaker #1: there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, please press star one. Please note that this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Philip Riley, our Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: Good morning. Welcome to our conference call covering our first quarter 2026 results. I'm Philip Riley, CFO. Joining me today are Bobby Riley, Chairman and CEO, and John Suter, COO.
Philip Riley: Good morning. Welcome to our conference call covering our Q1 2026 results. I'm Philip Riley, CFO. Joining me today are Bobby Riley, Chairman and CEO, and John Suter, COO. Yesterday, we published a variety of materials which can be found on our website under the Investors section. These materials and today's conference call contain certain projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements. We'll also reference certain non-GAAP measures. The reconciliations to the appropriate GAAP measures can be found in our supplemental disclosure on our website. I'll turn the call over to Bobby.
Speaker #2: Yesterday, we published a variety of materials, which can be found on our website, under the Investors section. These materials and today's conference call contain certain projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws.
Speaker #2: These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements. We'll also reference certain non-GAAP measures.
Speaker #2: The Reconciliations to the Appropriate GAAP Measures can be found in our Supplemental Disclosure on our website. I'll turn the call over to Bobby.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Philip. In March, we announced that Riley Permian would accelerate growth in 2026, which was a natural result from our multi-year positioning, including deliberate inventory expansion, and infrastructure readiness.
Bobby Riley: Thank you, Philip. In March, we announced that Riley Permian would accelerate growth in 2026, which was a natural result from our multi-year positioning, including deliberate inventory expansion and infrastructure readiness. Our 2026 development plan was designed when the WTI spot price and one-year forward price were in the $60 range, and we saw meaningful value creation potential at those price levels. Since then, the oil supply picture and price outlook have changed completely. We have increased confidence in achieving our planned targets, and the corresponding value creation potential has increased significantly. Our Q1 results provide an initial round of momentum for the year ahead. We executed well, delivering production exceeding the high end of guidance while spending less than the low end of our capital guidance range.
Speaker #3: Our 2026 development plan was designed when the WTI spot price and one-year forward price were in the $60 range, and we saw meaningful value creation potential at those price levels.
Speaker #3: Since then, the oil supply picture and price outlook have changed completely, we have increased confidence in achieving our planned targets and the corresponding value creation potential has increased significantly.
Speaker #3: Our first quarter results provide an initial round of momentum for the year ahead. We executed well, delivering production exceeding the high end of guidance while spending less than the low end of our capital guidance range.
Speaker #3: With our excess capital, we reduced debt by $8 million and returned $12 million to shareholders through our dividend and share repurchases. Our first quarter activity levels increased materially over fourth quarter 2025 levels, and second quarter activity will surpass first quarter setting up for an accelerated growth.
Bobby Riley: With our excess capital, we reduced debt by $8 million and returned $12 million to shareholders through our dividend and share repurchases. Our Q1 activity levels increased materially over Q4 2025 levels, and Q2 activity will surpass Q1, setting up for an accelerated growth. We forecast production growth continuing for each quarter through the year, culminating with full year growth of 30% at our new midpoints guidance levels. As we look further out to next year, we see the potential to grow production 10% year over year with only a 5% increase in CapEx, at least as one scenario being considered. We believe this could be achieved given the wave of H2 2026 volumes being generated. We have confidence in achieving this growth through accelerated development of both of our assets.
Speaker #3: We forecast production growth continuing for each quarter through the year, culminating with full-year growth of 30% at our new midpoint guidance levels. As we look further out to next year, we see the potential to grow production 10% year over year with only a 5% increase in CapEx, at least as once scenario being considered.
Speaker #3: We believe this could be achieved given the wave of second-half 2026 volumes being generated. We have confidence in achieving this growth through accelerated development of both of our assets.
Speaker #3: In New Mexico, TARGA has progressed on the engineering and design for the high-pressure trunk line to their processing plants which will begin construction upon final regulatory approval.
Bobby Riley: In New Mexico, Targa has progressed on the engineering and design for the high-pressure trunk line to their processing plants, which will begin construction upon final regulatory approval. The project timing remains on track with a scheduled commercial operations date in Q3. We will be ready from the upstream side with wells ready to turn in line immediately following the pipeline coming into service, which gets us closer to achieving our first earn-out payment. All of this activity is exciting, as is the potential to unlock value from this asset. In the meantime, and in parallel, we will continue to push forward with drilling and completions within our Texas assets, where we continue to drive efficiencies and where infrastructure is in a more mature stage of development. Texas will comprise the bulk of our volume growth in 2026, and New Mexico should contribute more growth thereafter.
Speaker #3: The project timing remains on track, with a scheduled commercial operations date in Q3. We will be ready from the upstream side with wells ready to turn in line immediately following the pipeline coming into surface, which gets us closer to achieving our first earn-out payment.
Speaker #3: All of this activity is exciting, as is the potential to unlock value from this asset. In the meantime, and in parallel, we will continue to push forward with drilling and completions within our Texas assets, where we continue to drive efficiencies, and where infrastructure is in a more mature stage of development.
Speaker #3: Texas will comprise the bulk of our volume growth in 2026, and New Mexico should contribute more growth thereafter. Briefly, on our ERCOT power project, within our RPC joint venture, our first site at 10-megawatt facility located in Ward County, Texas, is in the final commissioning stage with ERCOT.
Bobby Riley: Briefly, on our ERCOT power project within our RPC joint venture, our first site, a 10-megawatt facility located in Ward County, Texas, is in the final commissioning stage with ERCOT. During the commissioning stage, we've been generating power into the real-time market and collecting a modest amount of revenue. We have a forecasted commercial operational date for later this month, after which we can begin regularly participating in the day-ahead markets. Our second site is fully constructed and is in the early commissioning stage. Our final two sites are scheduled for late summer. Over at our behind-the-meter project at Champions, we're saving approximately $200,000 per month or more on avoided negative gas sales at recent prices. Between these two power projects, our thesis remains intact here, and we see this as one small way to counter the weak regional gas pricing that we're realizing on our upstream assets.
Speaker #3: During the commissioning stage, we've been generating power into the real-time market and collecting a modest amount of revenue. We have a forecasted commercial operational date for later this month, after which we can begin regularly participating in the day-ahead markets, our second site is fully constructed and is in the early commissioning stage.
Speaker #3: Our final two sites are scheduled for late summer. Over at our behind-the-meter project at Champions, we're saving approximately $200,000 per month or more on avoided negative gas sales at recent prices.
Speaker #3: Between these two power projects, our thesis remains intact here, and we see this as one small way to counter the weak regional gas pricing that we're realizing on our upstream assets.
Speaker #3: As always in our capital allocation process, we plan for optionality. As the year progresses, we will monitor the macroeconomic backdrop and industry conditions and we will maintain flexibility to speed up further or slow down should conditions deteriorate, material.
Bobby Riley: As always, in our capital allocation process, we plan for optionality. As the year progresses, we will monitor the macroeconomic backdrop and industry conditions, and we will maintain flexibility to speed up further or slow down should conditions deteriorate materially. Keep in mind, the original accelerated plan was contemplated at a $60 price. These strong financial and operational results, along with the opportunities on the power side, as well as additional new opportunities we continue to evaluate, are the product of our exceptional operational, planning, and technical teams. To our employees and our investors, we believe Riley Permian is well-positioned for an exciting 2026 and beyond, supported by our high-quality asset base and strong financial position. I'll now turn the call over to John Suter, our COO.
Speaker #3: Keep in mind the original accelerated plan was contemplated at a $60 price. These strong financial and operational results along with the opportunities on the power side as well as additional new opportunities we continue to evaluate are the product of our exceptional operational, planning, and technical teams.
Speaker #3: To our employees and our investors, we believe Riley Permian is well positioned for an exciting 2026 and beyond, supported by our high-quality asset base and strong financial position.
Speaker #3: I'll now turn the call over to John Suter, our COO.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Bobby, and good morning. I'll briefly cover our first quarter operational results, and how activity progressed through the quarter, and then I'll touch on how we're positioned as we move through the balance of the year.
John Suter: Thank you, Bobby. Good morning. I'll briefly cover our Q1 operational results and how activity progressed through the quarter, and then I'll touch on how we're positioned as we move through the balance of the year. Safety remains foundational at Riley Permian. To start the year, our operations reported a zero total recordable incident rate, and we delivered 96% safe days. Turning to operations, development activity ramped meaningfully in Q1 and was concentrated primarily in Texas. On a net basis, we drilled 15.6 wells, started completions on 12.8 wells, and turned 8 wells to sales. Importantly, we delivered this increased level of activity with strong capital discipline.
Speaker #2: Safety remains foundational at Riley Permian. To start the year, our operations reported a zero total recordable incident rate and we delivered 96% safe days.
Speaker #2: Turning to operations, development activity ramped meaningfully in the first quarter and was concentrated primarily in Texas. On a net basis, we drilled 15.6 wells, started completions on 12.8 wells, and turned 8 wells to sales.
Speaker #2: Importantly, we delivered this increased level of activity with strong capital discipline. Total capital spend was $47 million, which was below the guidance range, driven primarily by normal timing dynamics, including selective deferrals and infrastructure timing, and a small amount of activity mix changes that reduced spend without impacting our plan.
John Suter: Total capital spend was $47 million, which was below the guidance range, driven primarily by normal timing dynamics, including selective deferrals and infrastructure timing and a small amount of activity mix changes that reduced spend without impacting our plan. From a production standpoint, net oil averaged 20.2 M barrels per day, and total equivalent production averaged 35.6 MBOE per day, exceeding the high end of guidance. Volumes were essentially flat quarter-over-quarter as strong development well contributions offset normal base decline. Winter Storm Fern caused disruptions across the Permian Basin among midstream providers and producers alike in late January and into early February. We, on the other hand, experienced minimal downtime with little to no impact on quarterly volumes. Within the quarter, development well performance was particularly strong. Initial oil volumes exceeded forecasts. The outperformance was driven more by well productivity than simply timing.
Speaker #2: From a production standpoint, net oil averaged 20.2 M barrels per day, and total equivalent production averaged 35.6 MBOE per day, exceeding the high end of guidance.
Speaker #2: Volumes were essentially flat quarter over quarter, as strong development well contributions offset normal base decline. Winter storm Fern caused disruptions across the Permian among midstream providers and producers alike, in late January February.
Speaker #2: We, on the other hand, experienced minimal downtime with little to no impact on quarterly volumes. Within the quarter, development well performance was particularly strong.
Speaker #2: Initial oil volumes exceeded forecasts, and the outperformance was driven more by well productivity than simply timing. As we look ahead, we'll continue executing the plan with a focus on safe, reliable operations and disciplined capital allocation.
John Suter: As we look ahead, we'll continue executing the plan with a focus on safe, reliable operations and disciplined capital allocation. In Q2, activity is expected to increase from Q1, with 2 rigs running full-time and 16 to 18 planned completions by quarter end, 30% more than in Q1. This level of completion activity will contribute to a production ramp that we will see later in Q2 and drive strong full-year growth. Completions are expected to remain focused in Texas while we work through gas takeaway sequencing in New Mexico, including the progress of the Targa Gas Pipeline Project, which Bobby alluded to earlier.
Speaker #2: In the second quarter, activity is expected to increase from the first quarter, with two rigs running full-time and 16 to 18 planned completions by quarter end, 30% more than in Q1.
Speaker #2: This level of completion activity will contribute to a production ramp that we will see later in Q2 and drive strong full-year growth. Completions are expected to remain focused in Texas, while we work through gas takeaway sequency in New Mexico, including the progress of the Targa gas pipeline project, which Bobby alluded to earlier.
Speaker #2: Looking into the back half of the year, our current plan contemplates releasing the New Mexico rig in the third quarter and continuing to drill in Texas with a return to New Mexico activity later in the year to align our completion cadence with infrastructure readiness and set up the broader New Mexico program.
John Suter: Looking into the H2, our current plan contemplates releasing the New Mexico rig in Q3 and continuing to drill in Texas with a return to New Mexico activity later in the year to align our completion cadence with infrastructure readiness and set up the broader New Mexico program. Now, let's move on to operational performance in Q1. Lateral drilling performance continued its multi-year upward trajectory. A higher median lateral feet per day in combination with a tighter distribution demonstrates repeatable, scalable execution. Consistent use of multi-well pads and zipper fracs materially reduce downtime and per well cost while improving overall operational consistency. We drilled a record spud to TD well for a 1.5 mile Yoakum County San Andres well in Champions at 4.28 days and a separate spud to rig release record at 5.79 days.
Speaker #2: Now let's move on to operational performance in Q1. Lateral drilling performance continued its multi-year upward trajectory, a higher median lateral feet per day in combination with a tighter distribution demonstrates repeatable, scalable execution.
Speaker #2: Consistent use of multiwell pads and zipper fracs materially reduced downtime and per well cost while improving overall operational consistency. We drilled a record spud to TD well for a one and a half mile Yokam County St.
Speaker #2: Andrews well in Champions at 4.28 days. And a separate spud to rig release record at 5.79 days. We also successfully executed drilling and completion two more two-mile laterals delivering the fastest drilled wells in the field at 1,456 lateral feet per day validating the efficacy of longer reach designs.
John Suter: We also successfully executed drilling and completing 2 more 2 mile laterals, delivering the fastest drilled wells in the field at 1,456 lateral feet per day, validating the efficacy of longer reach designs. Well cost as it relates to drilling and completions year to date have been relatively stable despite inflationary pressure on service prices, primarily driven by efficiency in our operations. Diesel costs have obviously come up substantially in the last couple of months, driving many service companies to adjust pricing accordingly. Our ability to drill faster and complete more efficiently has allowed us to mostly outpace this increase thus far. LOE has gone up slightly quarter-over-quarter in Q1 when compared to Q4 2025, in part due to some elective workovers that were deferred from Q4.
Speaker #2: Well cost as it relates to drilling and completions year to date have been relatively stable despite inflationary pressure on service prices primarily driven by efficiency in our operations.
Speaker #2: Diesel costs have obviously come up substantially in the last couple of months, driving many service companies to adjust pricing accordingly. Our ability to drill faster and complete more efficiently has allowed us to mostly outpace this increase thus far.
Speaker #2: LOE has gone up slightly quarter over quarter in Q1 when compared to Q4 2025, in part due to some elective workovers that were deferred from Q4.
Speaker #2: Bigger picture, it should also be noted that despite being up quarter over quarter on an LOE per BOE basis, we're still seeing a downward trend year over year with a 10% reduction in cost when compared with Q1 of 2025.
John Suter: Bigger picture, it should also be noted that despite being up quarter-over-quarter on an LOE per BOE basis, we're still seeing a downward trend year-over-year, with a 10% reduction in cost when compared with Q1 of 2025. The elective work I previously mentioned was primarily in our Red Lake asset, where many of our older wells have found new life following mechanical interventions. These workovers have resulted in nearly 500 net barrels oil per day of relatively flat production, with some recent wells continuing to increase in oil cut. This is some of the most capitally efficient $ we spend, with economic metrics comparable to new drilled wells in the area. We estimate that to date, we've only realized 30% of the possible uplift of these older wells.
Speaker #2: The elective work I previously mentioned was primarily in our Red Lake asset, where many of our older wells have found new life, following mechanical interventions.
Speaker #2: These workovers have resulted in nearly 500 net barrels oil per day of relatively flat production, with some recent wells continuing to increase in oil cut.
Speaker #2: This is some of the most capitally efficient dollars we spend. With economic metrics comparable to new drilled wells in the area, we estimate that to date we've only realized 30% of the possible uplift of these older wells and between the sizable inventory in our New Mexico asset and the combination of higher commodity pricing, the magnitude of unrealized production growth could be even greater.
John Suter: Between the sizable inventory in our New Mexico asset and the combination of higher commodity pricing, the magnitude of unrealized production growth could be even greater. We've also mentioned in past calls our expectation of chemical costs coming down in New Mexico as part of a change in program we implemented in January. I'm happy to report that in just a few months, we've seen costs nearly cut in half on a per barrel basis compared to our 2025 monthly average spend. While we're starting to see that creep back up due to a increase in petrochemicals cost across the board, we're confident that the changes we've made will help minimize the effect going forward. Stepping back, the message is straightforward with several key takeaways. We're executing safely and efficiently while scaling activity with discipline. We delivered strong Q1 volumes and capital performance.
Speaker #2: We've also mentioned in past calls our expectation of chemical costs coming down in New Mexico as part of a change in program we implemented in January.
Speaker #2: I'm happy to report that in just a few months we've seen costs nearly cut in half on a per barrel basis, compared to our 2025 monthly average spend.
Speaker #2: While we're starting to see that creep back up due to an increase in petrochemicals costs across the board, we're confident that the changes we've made will help minimize the effect going forward.
Speaker #2: Stepping back, the message is straightforward, with several key takeaways. We're executing safely and efficiently while scaling activity with discipline. We delivered strong first quarter volumes and capital performance.
Speaker #2: We're seeing continued gains in drilling and completion execution that help offset service cost inflation. And finally, we're prioritizing Texas where infrastructure is ready, while sequencing New Mexico activity around the Targa takeaway buildout to protect returns and preserve flexibility as we move through 2026.
John Suter: We're seeing continued gains in drilling and completion execution that help offset service cost inflation. Finally, we're prioritizing Texas, where infrastructure is ready, while sequencing New Mexico activity around the Targa takeaway build-out to protect returns and preserve flexibility as we move through 2026. I'll now turn the call to Philip.
Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call to Philip.
Speaker #3: Thank you, John. I'll cover first quarter financial results and provide an updated company outlook. Unhedged revenue increased by $17 million, or 17% quarter over quarter, driven by 18% higher oil revenue and partially offset by weaker natural gas and NGL revenues.
Philip Riley: Thank you, John. I'll cover Q1 financial results and provide an updated company outlook. Unhedged revenue increased by $17 million or 17% quarter-over-quarter, driven by 18% higher oil revenue and partially offset by weaker natural gas and NGL revenues. Gas and NGL revenues after fees were -$11 million and reduced our total net revenue by 9%. Structural gas egress constraints, combined with seasonal midstream maintenance programs, negatively affected gas pricing for producers across the Permian. Our revenue net of derivative settlements declined by $3 million or 3% to $102 million, driven by gas and NGLs as hedged oil revenue was flat. Operating cash flow was $47 million or $55 million before changes in working capital.
Speaker #3: Gas and NGL revenues after fees were -11 million dollars and reduced our total net revenue by 9%. Structural gas egress constraints combined with seasonal midstream maintenance programs negatively affected gas pricing for producers across the Permian.
Speaker #3: Our revenue net of derivative settlements declined by $3 million, or 3%, to $102 million, driven by gas and NGLs, as hedged oil revenue was flat.
Speaker #3: Operating cash flow was $47 million, or 55 million, before changes in working capital. Analyzing quarter over quarter variances, this cycle may be less relevant given some unusual impacts in fourth quarter 2025 related to the midstream gain in corresponding income tax impacts.
Philip Riley: Analyzing quarter over quarter variances this cycle may be less relevant given some unusual impacts in Q4 2025 related to the midstream gain and corresponding income tax impacts. Adjusted EBITDAX declined by $5 million or 8% quarter over quarter to $61 million, driven by $3 million of lower gas and NGL hedge revenue, combined with $2 million of higher operating costs and production taxes. We are reporting a net loss on a GAAP basis of $70 million, driven by a $127 million loss on derivatives, 91% of which was unrealized. We entered the year materially hedged to protect the 2026 capital program. The bottom line net impact should reverse over time as the mark-to-market loss is offset by increased revenues from corresponding production over the same contract periods.
Speaker #3: Adjusted EBITDAX declined by $5 million, or 8%, quarter over quarter, to $61 million. Driven by $3 million of lower gas and NGL hedged revenue combined with $2 million of higher operating costs and production taxes.
Speaker #3: Reporting a net loss on a gap basis of $70 million driven by $127 million loss on derivatives, $91% of which was unrealized. We entered the year materially hedged to protect the 2026 capital program.
Speaker #3: The bottom line net impact should reverse over time, as the mark-to-market loss is offset by increased revenues from corresponding production over the same contract periods.
Speaker #3: Gap mark-to-market accounting can introduce significant period-to-period volatility, that does not reflect underlying operating results or long-term cash-generating capacity. Most energy investors are familiar with these limitations and will evaluate performance accordingly.
Philip Riley: GAAP mark-to-market accounting can introduce significant period-to-period volatility that does not reflect underlying operating results or long-term cash generating capacity. Most energy investors are familiar with these limitations and will evaluate performance accordingly. Our business continues to generate meaningful cash flow, which should increase materially in the coming quarters if oil prices remain elevated, as we're only about 67% hedged for the balance of the year. Here's 1 anecdote on hedging to consider. We underwrote the acquisition of Silverback a year ago when the spot oil price was in the $60 range and the twelve-month forward price was in the high $50s. We financed the acquisition using 100% debt with 0 dilutive equity. Many of the hedges we have today are a result of that financing.
Speaker #3: Our business continues to generate meaningful cash flow, which should increase materially in the coming quarters if oil prices remain elevated, as we're only about 67% hedged for the balance of the year.
Speaker #3: Here's one anecdote on the hedging to consider. We underwrote the acquisition of Silverback a year ago, when the spot oil price was in the $60 range, and the 12-month forward price was in the high 50s.
Speaker #3: We financed the acquisition using 100% debt, with zero dilute of equity. Many of the hedges we have today are a result of that financing.
Speaker #3: Since then, in this new price environment, and assuming closer to a $70 long-term price, the value of that asset and undeveloped locations have increased materially, which is not reflected in our reported financials.
Philip Riley: Since then, in this new price environment, and assuming closer to a $70 long-term price, the value of that asset and undeveloped locations have increased materially, which is not reflected in our reported financials. For example, consider the value of an undeveloped location. Incorporating an oil price of $70 versus $60 increases the net present value at a 20% discount rate by 60% to over 100%, depending on the type of well. Moving on to our investments. Q1 2026 total accrual-based CapEx was $47 million, while cash CapEx was $31 million, only two-thirds of the accrual amount, which is not unusual in a cycle when you're increasing activity rapidly given the time lag of payables. We had several smaller acquisitions and divestiture deals for a net benefit of $5 million based on selling some small non-operated assets.
Speaker #3: For example, consider the value of an undeveloped location. Incorporating an oil price of $70 versus $60 increases the net present value at a 20% discount rate by 60% to over 100%, depending on the type of well.
Speaker #3: Moving on to our investments. First quarter 2026 total accrual-based capex was $47 million, while cash capex was $31 million. Only two-thirds of the accrual amount, which is not unusual in a cycle when you're increasing activity rapidly, given the time lag of payables.
Speaker #3: We had several smaller acquisitions and investor deals for a net benefit of $5 million, based on selling some small non-operated assets. With remaining cash, we invested $4 million in the Power JV, where two and a half million dollars net of a small million of dividends, reduced debt by $8 million, and bought back $4 million of stock.
Philip Riley: With remaining cash, we invested $4 million in the power JV, or $2.5 million net of a small distribution, paid $8.4 million of dividends, reduced debt by $8 million, and bought back $4 million of stock. Now let's discuss our outlook. We have a big Q2 of development activity, and we're guiding to $80 million of accrual CapEx. For the full year, we're increasing our full-year guidance range by $10 million, representing a 5% increase at the midpoint of $210 million, driven by a mix of operated and non-operated incremental activity and partially offset by some savings achieved. With our own operations, we're likely to have about 5 more wells drilled and 1 to 2 more completed as compared to the March outlook.
Speaker #3: Now let's discuss our outlook. We have a big second quarter of development activity, and we're guiding to $80 million of accrual capex. For the full year, we're increasing our full-year guidance range by $10 million, representing a 5% increase at the midpoint to $210 million, driven by a mix of operated and non-operated incremental activity, and partially offset by some savings achieved.
Speaker #3: With our own operations, we're likely to have about five more wells drilled, and one to two more completed, as compared to the March outlook.
Speaker #3: We're also seeing a modest pickup in non-operated proposals from adjacent producers. Incorporating these updates, and based on confidence with the assets and optionality inherent with the development program, we're raising full-year production volume guidance ranges by 5% to 22.5 thousand barrels per day at the midpoint, corresponding with a 30% year-over-year growth that Bobby mentioned at the start.
Philip Riley: We're also seeing a modest pickup in non-operated proposals from adjacent producers. Incorporating these updates and based on confidence with the assets and optionality inherent with the development program, we're raising full-year production volume guidance ranges by 5% to 22.5 thousand barrels per day at the midpoint, corresponding with the 30% year-over-year growth that Bobby mentioned at the start. We see that growth beginning modestly in Q2, followed by the largest gain in Q3 and another gain in Q4. Accrual CapEx looks to be weighted 60/40 between H1 and H2 of the year, while production volumes will have a lag effect given the nature of development and turning wells to sales, with oil forecasted volumes weighted at 45/55 for H1, H2.
Speaker #3: We see that growth beginning modestly in the second quarter, followed by the largest gain in the third quarter, and another gain in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #3: Accrual capex looks to be weighted 60/40 between the first half and the second half of the year, while production volumes will have a lag effect given the nature of development, and turning wells to sales, with oil forecasted volumes weighted at 45/55 for the first half/second half.
Speaker #3: This combination may lead to less free cash flow in the second quarter, with stronger free cash flow in the fourth quarter, though this is dependent on execution, timing dynamics, and market pricing.
Philip Riley: This combination may lead to less free cash flow in Q2, with stronger free cash flow in Q4, though this is dependent on execution, timing dynamics, and market pricing. For the full year, we forecast a reasonable CapEx reinvestment rate of approximately 65% to 70% of operating cash flow before working capital and midpoint guidance and based on current forward oil prices. We anticipate the majority of excess free cash flow after the dividend will be allocated to debt paydown to further solidify our balance sheet and to provide future optionality, with a smaller amount possibly allocated to stock buybacks, depending on market conditions. Our measure of capital efficiency may differ from some larger companies looking to prioritize and maximize free cash flow, which implicitly calls for restrained investment.
Speaker #3: For the full year, we forecast a reasonable capex reinvestment rate of approximately 65% to 70% of operating cash flow before working capital, a midpoint guidance, and based on current forward oil prices.
Speaker #3: We anticipate the majority of excess free cash flow after the dividend will be allocated to debt paydown, to further solidify our balance sheet and to provide future optionality with a smaller amount possibly allocated to stock buybacks, depending on market conditions.
Speaker #3: Our measure of capital efficiency may differ from some larger companies looking to prioritize and maximize free cash flow. Which implicitly calls for restrained investment.
Speaker #3: We're excited to invest meaningfully this year in our high-returning assets, which we believe will yield this differentiated today. Thank you all for your attention and interest in our company.
Philip Riley: We're excited to invest meaningfully this year in our high-returning assets, which we believe will yield this differentiated growth profile that we've described today. Thank you all for your attention and interest in our company. Operator, you may now turn it over to questions.
Speaker #3: Operator, you may now turn it over to questions.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by the number 1 on your touchstone phone, and you will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised.
Operator 2: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by the number 1 on your touch-tone phone, and you will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to withdraw, please press star 1 again. If you're using a speakerphone, we kindly ask you to leave the handset before pressing any keys. Please hold while we gather questions. Our first question comes from the line of Derek Whitsel from Texas Capital. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #2: Please hold while we gather questions. Our first question comes from the line of Derek with sales from Texas Capital. Please go ahead.
Derek Whitsel: Good morning, guys, congrats on a strong Q1 and 2026 update broadly.
Speaker #3: Good morning, guys, and congrats on a strong 1Q in 2026 update, broadly.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Philip Riley: Thank you.
Speaker #3: First, I wanted to focus on your activity plans as we're clearly in a very fluid situation in the Middle East. With today's revised activity plan and workovers and recognizing the strength of your and the growth of your program as it stands, how would you characterize your desire to further lean into this favorable environment from a workover perspective, if nothing more, and then as you look out to 2027, is this level of activity a good run rate for the efficiency of your operations?
Derek Whitsel: First, I wanted to focus on your activity plans as we're clearly in a very fluid situation in the Middle East. With today's revised activity plan and workovers and recognizing the strength of your and the growth of your program as it stands, how would you characterize your desire to further lean into this favorable environment from a workover perspective, if nothing more? As you look out to 2027, is this level of activity a good run rate for the efficiency of your operations?
Speaker #4: Yeah, Derek, this is Bobby Riley. Let me start. Like I mentioned in our deal, when we looked at our activity levels this year, we were faced with about a $60 current price and $60 outlook.
Bobby Riley: Yeah, Derek, this is Bobby Riley. Let me start. You know, like I mentioned in our deal, when we looked at our activity level this year, we were faced with about a $60 current price and $60 outlook. We thought at those numbers, we warranted developing at the pace that we are. I mean, like we talked about the last couple of years, we've been in the acquisition mode to build inventory, and now we're sitting on a significant amount of long-term drilling inventory and the ability to capitalize on that value even at $60. We would have to see a significant drop to adjust the direction we're going now.
Speaker #4: And we thought at those numbers, we warranted developing at the pace that we are. I mean, like we talked about the last couple of years, we've been in the acquisition mode to build inventory, and now we're sitting on a significant amount of long-term drilling inventory and the ability to capitalize on that value, even at $60.
Speaker #4: So we would have to see a significant drop to adjust the direction we're going now. And with the efficiencies that we're seeing in drilling and completions, with sustained price in this level, we could actually add another 5 or 10 wells for the mid-season.
Bobby Riley: With the efficiencies that we're seeing in drilling and completions, with sustained price in this level, you know, we could actually add another 5 or 10 wells for the mid. I mean, we're a growth company. I think you're gonna receive long-term share value the bigger we get organically. It's our highest rate of return.
Speaker #4: So I mean, we're a growth company. And I think you're going to receive long-term share value the bigger we get organically. It's our highest rate of return.
Speaker #3: Yeah, Derek, and to follow up on one of your other questions, can this efficiently move into '27? I think this year we're running two rigs really just to hold a few things into Mexico with some permits we had expiring and some lease obligations.
John Suter: Derek, to follow up on one of your other questions, you know, can this efficiently move into 2027? You know, I think this year we're running 2 rigs really just to hold a few things in New Mexico with some permits we had expiring and some lease obligations. Really just the fact of with our fast cycle times, when we can drill, you know, 50-plus wells a year with 1 rig, you know, we can easily do that. Certainly a frack crew can, you know, frack up to, I don't know, gosh, 90 to 100 wells per year. I mean, it's that efficient.
Speaker #3: But really just the fact with our fast cycle times when we can drill 50-plus wells a year with one rig, we can easily do that.
Speaker #3: And certainly, a frac crew can frac up to, I don't know, gosh, 90 to 100 wells per year. I mean, it's that efficient. So it doesn't take a lot of extra service company action for us to be able to stay at a pace that provides tremendous growth if we plan to just keep it going all year long.
John Suter: It doesn't take a lot of extra service company action, you know, for us to be able to stay at a pace that provides tremendous growth if we, if we plan to just keep it going all year long. It's really not a matter of how much we add, it's just how much we use what we have for how long during the year. Hope that helps.
Speaker #3: It's really not a matter of how much we add. It's just how much we use what we have for how long. During the year.
Speaker #3: So hope that helps.
Derek Whitsel: It does make sense. Just based on your current 2026 upstream capital plan, how should we think about the potential earn-out of contingent payments from your midstream sales agreement? When could you start to recognize that benefit?
Speaker #5: It does make sense. And then just based on your current 2026 upstream capital plan, how should we think about the potential earn-out of contingent payments from your midstream sales agreement?
Speaker #5: And when could you start to recognize that benefit?
Speaker #4: Yeah, Derek, good morning. This is Philip. I think we have lined us tight on that for early next year. The wells that John and Bobby are talking about in New Mexico we've got a slug of those that'll come on.
Philip Riley: Yeah, Derek, good morning. It's Philip. I think we have line of sight on that for early next year. The wells that John and Bobby are talking about in New Mexico, we've got a slug of those that'll come on. There's a threshold that we cover for a period of days, and then there's a little timing. We feel pretty confident about hitting the first earn-out, which is $30 million, in H1 2027, with subsequent ones probably 1 year after each.
Speaker #4: There's a threshold that we cover for a period of days. And then there's a little timing, but we feel pretty confident about hitting the first earn-out, which is $30 million.
Speaker #4: In the first half of '27 with subsequent ones probably a year after each.
Speaker #3: Great update, guys. Thanks for your time.
Derek Whitsel: Great update, guys. Thanks for your time.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Neil Dingman from William Blair. Please go ahead.
Operator 2: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Neal Dingmann from William Blair. Please go ahead.
Neal Dingmann: Hi. Morning, guys. Sticking with the production question, my question's on your growth. I know, Bobby, for you or Philip, I know operationally and financially, you certainly have the ability to materially increase production if you choose. I'm just wondering how much is, you know, the decision and kind of the guide you talked about, how much is that influenced by, you know, you've had negative natural gas and NGL prices and, you know, how much do other things like, I don't know, incremental takeaway or power fit into this growth decision?
Speaker #6: Morning, guys. Sticking with the production question, my question is on Degrowth. I know Bobby, for you or Philip, I know operationally and financially, you certainly have the ability to materially increase production if you choose.
Speaker #6: I'm just wondering, how much is the decision and kind of the guide you talked about, how much is that influenced by you've had negative natural gas and NGL prices and how much do other things like - I don't know - incremental takeaway or power fit into this growth decision?
Speaker #4: Sure, Neil, I can start. Yeah, look, the gas, it's frustrating, but we do see it getting better. I think what we and other producers experienced in the first quarter was a combination of just the structural constraints I mentioned and prepared remarks and then some of that seasonality.
Philip Riley: Sure, Neal, I can start. The gas, it's frustrating, but we do see it getting better. I think what we and other producers experienced in Q1 was a combination of just the structural constraints I mentioned in prepared remarks and then, you know, some of that seasonality. You look at the strip and it is getting better each month. We've got about 5 Bcf a day coming on among those projects that are widely discussed. GCX, Blackcomb, and then Hugh Brinson towards the end of the year. That should help. At the same time, I think you typically find the correlation between gas price or the Waha price even, and oil price with most of the growth in our domestic gas coming from associated Permian.
Speaker #4: You look at the strip, and it is getting better. Each month, we've got about five BCF a day coming on among those projects that are widely discussed.
Speaker #4: GCX Blackcomb and then Hugh Brinson towards the end of the year that should help. And then at the same time, I think you typically find the correlation between gas price or the Wahoo price even and oil price with most of the growth in our domestic gas coming from associated Permian.
Speaker #4: And so as the oil price is moving down here, I think the Wahoo price will become less negative. Like I said, it's frustrating not to be making more, but it still does margins and returns look very good at 70, 80-dollar oil.
Philip Riley: As the oil price is moving down here, I think the Waha price will become less negative. Like I said, it's, you know, it's frustrating not to be making more, but it still does, margins and returns look very good at $70, $80 oil. We'll continue with that. You know, as far as there being a physical constraint, we've got the items we need lined up. John referenced some of that, power doesn't seem to be a problem right now. We've got both what we need, what we've built out, solidly, you've also got the short-term type of generators and such that can even run on natural gas, which is quite economic these days.
Speaker #4: So we'll continue with that. As far as there being a physical constraint, we've got the items we need lined up. John referenced some of that and power doesn't seem to be a problem right now.
Speaker #4: We've got both what we need, what we've built out, solidly, but then you've also got those short-term type of generators and such that can even run on natural gas, which is quite economic these days.
Speaker #3: Great. And then Philip, just a second question on maybe for Bobby on the M&A. Just wondering, much like organic growth, you certainly have the balance sheet now to support really an active M&A program if you choose.
Neal Dingmann: Great. Philip, just a second question on maybe for Bobby on the M&A. Just wondering, much like organic growth, you certainly have the balance sheet now to support, you know, really an active M&A program if you choose. Just wondering, you know, are there active deals out there? You know, how do they look in this environment? You know, maybe just with that same vein, you know, where does your current inventory depth sit?
Speaker #3: Just wondering, are there active deals out there? How do they look in this environment? And maybe just with that same vein, where does your current inventory depth sit?
Speaker #4: Yeah, I'll start on the M&A first. So typically, what we find in our industry is that M&A is tough in periods of high volatility.
Philip Riley: Yeah. I'll start on the M&A first. You know, typically what we find in our industry is that M&A is tough in periods of high volatility. The high prices themselves are not a deterrent, but it's hard to underwrite when prices move around so much. When the prices were quite low, sellers were on the sidelines. I think we'll see a few more packages come to market at the high prices for people to, you know, so-called test the markets. It can be tough to underwrite them though, both with the volatility and even some steep backwardation. You know, we wanna be careful. You're right, we do have a stronger balance sheet, and we have flexibility to do that should something come together. We wanna be mindful of how we're both underwriting deals and where in cycles we're buying them.
Speaker #4: A high price is themselves are not a deterrent, but it's hard to underwrite when prices move around so much. When the prices were quite low, sellers were on the sidelines.
Speaker #4: I think we'll see a few more packages come to market at the high prices for people to so-called test the market. It can be tough to underwrite them, though, both with the volatility and even some steep backwardation.
Speaker #4: So, we want to be careful. You're right. We do have a stronger balance sheet, and we have flexibility to do that should something come together, but we want to be mindful of how we're both underwriting deals and where in cycles we're buying them.
Speaker #4: We felt great about buying Silverback last year at $60. As I mentioned before, and we feel good about that. We've done three deals in three years.
Philip Riley: We felt great about buying Silverback last year at $60, as I mentioned before, and we feel good about that. We've done three deals in three years. We've got quite a bit of inventory. We've held back on the CapEx for a while as we digested those and got the infrastructure ready. At this point, we're focused primarily on the organic development, and I think that's, you know, how you should think about it is it's primarily organic. If something should come together on M&A, we'll feel fortunate, but not holding our breath.
Speaker #4: We've got quite a bit of inventory. We've held back on the CapEx for a while as we digested those and got the infrastructure reading.
Speaker #4: And at this point, we're focused primarily on the organic development. And I think that's how you should think about it, is it's primarily organic.
Speaker #4: If something should come together, on M&A, we'll feel fortunate, but not holding our breath.
Speaker #6: Thanks, Philip.
John Suter: Thanks, Philip.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Philip Riley: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Robertson from Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.
Operator 2: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Robertson from Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Thank you. Good morning. Bobby, or John, can you talk about the guidance or the production uplift in the sense of how much of the increase is due to timing versus performance-related issues with the wells that you're bringing on?
Jeff Robertson: Thank you. Good morning. Bobby or John, can you talk about the guidance or the production uplift in the sense of how much of the increase is due to timing versus performance-related issues with the wells that you're bringing on?
Bobby Riley: Let me start, John, then you can finish. Obviously, the acceleration is something to do about timing. You know, we currently have 2 rigs running with a frac crew right behind one of them, so we're bringing things on a little bit quicker. Also performance so far that what we're seeing this year, I think all the wells we've completed this year exceed our pre-drill forecast, some of them significantly. John, you might add to that, but I mean.
Speaker #7: Let me start, John, then you can finish. Obviously, the acceleration is something to do about timing. We're currently have two rigs running with a frac crew right behind one of them.
Speaker #7: So we're bringing things on a little bit quicker. But also, performance. So far, that what we're seeing this year I think all the wells we've completed this year, exceed our pre-drill forecast.
Speaker #7: Some of them significantly. So, John, you might add to that, but I mean, I think it's a combination of working a little faster, and the wells are meeting or exceeding our production expectations.
John Suter: Yeah
Bobby Riley: I think a combination of working a little faster and the wells are meeting or exceeding our production expectations.
Speaker #3: Yeah, absolutely. And just to follow that up with a little bit more specifics, the we've drilled a number of two-mile laterals this quarter, which have just been fantastic.
John Suter: Yeah, absolutely. Just to follow that up with a little bit more specifics, the, we've drilled a number of 2-mile laterals this quarter, which have just been fantastic. You know, you hope a lot of times 2-mile will keep things flatter, but we've actually seen some uplift in pressure and rate from these, so we're excited about that. Also we've, in Champions, the vast majority of our wells are child wells. These wells, we've been finding out, you know, tend to cut oil faster and reach a higher oil peak sooner than our parent wells, you know, which ends up delivering superior early time performance. That's a lot of what we've seen this quarter, you know, to hopefully answer your question.
Speaker #3: You hope you a lot of times two miles will keep things flatter. But we've actually seen some uplift in pressure and rate from these.
Speaker #3: So we're excited about that. Also, we've in Champions the vast majority of our wells are child wells. And these wells we've been finding out tend to cut oil faster and reach a higher oil peak sooner than our parent wells.
Speaker #3: Which ends up delivering superior early-time performance. So that's a lot of what we've seen this quarter to hopefully answer your question.
Speaker #6: And then let me say one final thing, Jeff, on timing. As far as how it all comes together for the company and then the quarters, is we do have quite a bit of back-end weighted growth.
Philip Riley: Let me say one final thing, Jeff, on timing, as far as how it all comes together for the company and in the quarters, is we do have quite a bit of back-end-weighted growth. The Q1 we've gone through, that was roughly flat with the Q4. We've got some modest growth here, 4% in the Q2 at the midpoint. It really starts to take off, you can back into the math between what we've done so far and what we're guiding to full year. You can see that the H2 is basically between 24,000 and 25,000 barrels a day, which suggests pretty material growth from where we are now and what we're guiding to.
Speaker #6: So the first quarter, we've gone through. That was roughly flat with the fourth quarter. We've got some modest growth here: 4% in the second quarter at the midpoint.
Speaker #6: And then it really starts to take off. You can back into the mass between what we've done so far and what we're guiding to full year.
Speaker #6: But you can see that the back half of the year, it's basically between 24 and 25 thousand barrels a day. Which suggests pretty material growth from where we are now and what we're guiding to.
Speaker #5: Well, if there's any risk with respect to the production outlook in the second half of '26, is there much risk or much cushion built in for timing issues around target completing the project?
Jeff Robertson: Well, if there's any risk on with respect to the production outlook in H2 2026, is there much risk or much cushion built in for timing issues around Targa completing the projects?
Philip Riley: Yeah. I think we're in a good shape. As Bobby said earlier, we'll be doing Texas primarily. We've got some optionality built into the plan. John was describing how he's going to have some ducks ready. We've got a plan basically to hit this, so we believe should the timing work out either way. John, you want to add anything there?
Speaker #4: Yeah. I think we're in a good shape as Bobby said earlier. We'll be doing Texas primarily. We've got some optionality built into the plan.
Speaker #4: John was describing how he's going to have some ducks ready. But we've got a plan, basically, to hit this, so we believe, should the timing work out either way.
Speaker #4: John, you want to add anything there?
Speaker #3: Yeah. No, I mean, I think our Champions development is going to carry the day all throughout the year. But we expect a permit for target for the high-pressure line to come any day.
John Suter: Yeah, no, I mean, I think our Champions development is gonna carry the day all throughout the year. You know, we expect a permit for Targa for the high-pressure line to come any day, which, you know, then will be a several-month period of construction. You know, that's why we've said in Q3 it could happen slightly faster. Even if there's a delay in that, the high interest, you know, at Champions wells where we already have infrastructure, you know, that's gonna, that's gonna solidify that H2, I think. The New Mexico stuff will be kinda gravy on top of that.
Speaker #3: Which then will be a several-month period of construction. And that's why we've said in Q3 it could happen slightly faster. But even if there's a delay in that, the high interest at Champions wells where we already have infrastructure, that's going to solidify that second half, I think.
Speaker #3: But the New Mexico stuff will be kind of gravy on top of that.
Jeff Robertson: John, with plans to drill 42 to 48, excuse me, net wells this year, can you talk about how your ground game is working to replace inventory?
Speaker #5: John, with plans to drill 42 to 48, excuse me, net wells this year, can you talk about how your ground game is working to replace inventory?
Speaker #3: Yeah. Well, we are drilling some wells on the east side of Champions. And that is we're just now completing them. We've been buying some extra acreage out there.
John Suter: Well, we are drilling some wells on the east side of Champions, and that is, we're just now completing them. We've been buying some extra acreage out there. We're really excited to see where that could lead us on the east side. You know, in New Mexico, really we have, you know, very few PUDs booked, you know. There's gonna be as we drill some of these wells, we add PUD reserves. Certainly as we test various edges of the fairway, you know, that's gonna lead us to have the potential for additional leasing. What I love about New Mexico is that it's a forced pooling state, and we probably have 500 gross sticks, maybe, you know, a few hundred net.
Speaker #3: And we're really excited to see where that could lead us on the east side. But in New Mexico, really, we have very few PUDs booked.
Speaker #3: So there's going to be as we drill some of these wells, we add PUD reserves. And certainly, as we test various edges of the fairway, that's going to lead us to have the potential for additional leasing.
Speaker #3: What I love about New Mexico is that it's a force pooling state. And we probably have 500 gross sticks maybe a few hundred net.
Speaker #3: But with an active rig in that field, you can pick up oftentimes pick up a lot of interest from other people. That all just depends as we know.
John Suter: With an active rig in that field, you can oftentimes pick up a lot of interest from other people. You know, that all just depends as we know. We're excited to be an aggressive player out there in the Northwest Shelf and to hopefully be rewarded with picking up interest.
Speaker #3: But we're excited to be an aggressive player out there in the northwest shelf and to hopefully be rewarded with picking up interest.
Speaker #5: Lastly, LOE for BOE was $7.51 in the quarter, which was well below your $8 to $9 per BOE guidance. Can you talk about the drivers for that first quarter performance?
Jeff Robertson: Lastly, LOE per BOE was $7.51 in the quarter, which was well below your $8 to $9 per BOE guidance. Can you talk about the drivers for that Q1 performance?
Speaker #3: Yeah. As I mentioned in my remarks, we've just in the first quarter capitalized on some rebidding and some realignment of vendors. And in New Mexico, I think we've cut our per-barrel chemical cost in half with this new change.
John Suter: Yeah. I, as I mentioned in my remarks, we've just in Q1 capitalized on some rebidding and some realignment of vendors. In New Mexico, I think we've cut our per barrel chemical cost in half with this new change. Also straightened out some things in Texas. This chemical program has also, you know, helped us. It's actually working. That's less tubing strings you have to replace, less ESPs to replace when you have to replace the tubing. That really starts having a cumulative effect. On the other side, you know, the productivity of these wells has also helped us with, I'd say some volume expansion, you know, has helped us on the divisor side of that per BOE metrics.
Speaker #3: Also, straightened out some things in Texas. This chemical program is also helped us from it's actually working. That's less tubing strings you have to replace less ESPs to replace when you have to replace the tubing.
Speaker #3: So that really starts having a cumulative effect. And on the other side, the productivity of these wells is also helped us with, I'd say, some volume expansion has helped us on the divisor side of that per BOE metrics.
Speaker #3: But look, we're proud of what we're accomplishing. I think we're one of the best operators on the northwest shelf. Put our team up against anybody as far as being able to get the most out of the wells that we purchase and the acres that we exploit.
John Suter: You know, look, we're proud of what we're accomplishing. I think we're one of the, you know, best operators on the Northwest Shelf. Put our team up against anybody as far as being able to get the most out of the wells that we purchase and the acres that we exploit. No, we hope to make continued improvement.
Speaker #3: So no, we hope to make continued improvement.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Jeff Robertson: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Again, should you have a question, please press star one. Our next question comes from the line of Nicholas Pope from Roth Capital.
Operator 2: Thank you. Again, should you have a question, please press star one. Our next question comes from the line of Nicholas Pope from Roth Capital. Sir, your line is open.
Speaker #1: Sir, your line is open.
Speaker #4: Hey, good morning, everyone.
Nicholas Pope: Hey, good morning, everyone.
Speaker #6: Good morning.
John Suter: Morning.
Speaker #3: Good morning.
Jeff Robertson: Good morning.
Nicholas Pope: Curious as you kinda look at the differences between Champions and the Red Lake area, you know, with 1 rig kinda running in each, what's the difference, I guess, in kinda total drilling complete costs between the two assets? I think there's a lot of mix going on between these two, and it seems like it's shifting a little bit throughout the year. Just wanna make sure I kinda pinpoint kind of the spend differences between the two assets.
Speaker #4: I'm curious as you kind of look at the differences between Champions and the Red Lake area. With one rig kind of running in each, what's the difference, I guess, in kind of total drilling complete costs between the two assets?
Speaker #4: I think it's there's a lot of mix going on between these two. And it seems like it's shifting a little bit throughout the year.
Speaker #4: So just want to make sure I kind of pinpoint kind of the spend differences between the two assets.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Typically, we drill mile and a half wells in Champions. Just because that's the that's how it was set up. And in New Mexico, we're pretty well generally limited to one mile laterals.
John Suter: Yeah. Typically, we drill mile-and-a-half wells in Champions, just because that's the, that's how it was set up. In New Mexico, we're pretty well, generally limited to 1-mile laterals. Again, it's not impossible that if things line up right, that we can drill more. Remember that New Mexico is at about 3,500 feet TVD, 2-mile wells are possible, but you really can't do a whole lot of kickout, and then drill 2 miles when you've got that little bit, you know, that small of a vertical segment. Cost-wise, it ends up being about, I'd say, $1 million more in New Mexico per lateral than it does in Texas. I'll say that's at the moment. We are doing a ton of testing. We've done spacing tests.
Speaker #3: Again, that's not impossible that if things line up right, that we can drill more. Remember that New Mexico is at about 3,500 feet TVD, so two-mile wells are possible.
Speaker #3: But you really can't do a whole lot of kickout and then drill two miles when you've got that little bit that small of a vertical segment.
Speaker #3: So cost-wise, it ends up being about, I'd say, a million dollars more in New Mexico per lateral than it does in Texas. And I'll say that's at the moment.
Speaker #3: We are doing a ton of testing. We've done spacing tests. We're doing frac tests. The thing that makes New Mexico a bit more expensive is that in Texas, we do cross-link fracs.
John Suter: We're doing frac tests. The thing that makes New Mexico a bit more expensive is that in Texas, we do crosslink fracs there in the San Andres. In New Mexico, in the Paddock and Blinebry, we primarily do cross or slickwater fracs. The slickwater fracs take a lot more fluid, more pump time. We are looking and have already performed one crosslink frac on a recent test, are really encouraged about that. There's more to come on that in the future. I mean, that in itself could be a, you know, a half million dollar plus savings per well. Again, we also wanna see what is the most oil recovered and, you know, be efficient in recovering our resources too.
Speaker #3: There, in the San Andreas, and in New Mexico, in the Paddock and Blindbury, we primarily do cross or slickwater fracs. The slickwater fracs take a lot more fluid.
Speaker #3: More pump time. And so we are looking and have already performed one cross-link frac on a recent test. Are really encouraged about that. So there's more to come on that in the future.
Speaker #3: I mean, that in itself could be a half million dollar plus savings per well. But again, we also want to see what's the what is the most oil recovered and be efficient in recovering our resources too.
Speaker #3: So a lot of testing going on there in New Mexico. And I feel comfortable that our costs will be coming down over time. But that's kind of the primary difference between the two assets at the moment, cost-wise.
John Suter: A lot of testing going on there in New Mexico, and I feel comfortable that our costs will be coming down over time. That's kind of the primary difference between the, you know, the two assets at the moment cost-wise.
Nicholas Pope: Yeah. I think that's extremely helpful.
Speaker #4: Let me ask.
Bobby Riley: Let me add that.
Nicholas Pope: Yeah.
Bobby Riley: Let me add one thing to that. In Texas Champion, we own roughly closer to 100% of each one of those wells that we drill. In New Mexico, it's significantly less, so we have to drill a lot more wells to get the same net impact. You know, make sure everybody understands that. That it's not one for one. You know, we could have 50% to 60% working interest in New Mexico where we have 100% in Texas. Don't be alarmed by the well count, because on a net basis it seems more reasonable.
Speaker #6: Let me add one thing to that. And Texas Champions, we own roughly closer to 100% of each one of those wells that we drill.
Speaker #6: And New Mexico, it's significantly less. So we have to drill a lot more wells to get the same net impact. Make sure everybody understands that.
Speaker #6: It's not one for one. We could have 50 to 60% working interest in New Mexico where we have 100% in Texas. So don't be alarmed by the well count.
Speaker #6: Because on a net basis, it seems more reasonable.
Speaker #4: Got it. And then kind of digging a little bit deeper into kind of the rig cadence that y'all are talking about, with the target plant kind of scheduled startup, sounds like I'm just curious what stage you're getting the New Mexico wells to.
Nicholas Pope: Got it. Kinda digging a little bit deeper into kind of the rig cadence that y'all are talking about with the Targa plant kind of scheduled startup, sounds like I'm just curious what stage you're getting the New Mexico wells to. Is it just purely drilling, saving the completion for once the Targa plant comes online? I guess how many wells are y'all anticipating kinda having ready to go upon startup of that Targa plant? It sounds like things are gonna be held back until kinda you can let this field breathe a little bit.
Speaker #4: Is it just purely drilling, saving the completion for once the target plant comes online? And I guess how many wells are y'all anticipating kind of having ready to go upon startup of that target plant?
Speaker #4: It sounds like things are going to be held back until kind of you can let the seal breathe a little bit.
Speaker #3: Yeah. So in New Mexico, we started up a rig at the end of the first quarter, I believe. And you're correct, we are drilling and getting these wells ready for completion.
John Suter: Yeah. In New Mexico, we started up a, you know, a rig at the end of Q1, I believe. You're correct, we are drilling and getting these wells ready for completion. Just in sake of capital efficiency, there's no use completing them and letting them sit there until late Q3. You know, we'll take a look at that as far as whether we, you know, start a little bit early fracking these wells. Kinda depends on what the oil price is at the time and a number of other things. You know, we should have 20-plus wells. You know, again, these drill so fast that you're drilling a well a week, you know, and skidding over and, you know, knocking a whole pad out that way.
Speaker #3: But just in the sake of capital efficiency, there's no use completing them and letting them sit there until late Q3. And so we'll take a look at that as far as whether we start a little bit early fracking these wells, kind of depends on what the oil price is at the time.
Speaker #3: And a number of other things. But we should have 20-plus wells again, these drill so fast that you're drilling a well a week and skidding over and knocking a whole pad out that way.
Speaker #3: So it should be 20-plus wells plus a substantial amount of volume that we have from existing PDP that's already there flowing to another processor.
John Suter: Should be 20-plus wells, plus, you know, a substantial amount of volume that we have from existing PDP that's already there, flowing to another processor. When we get all of those wells that we're drilling in 2026 now ready to go, we'll be a long way towards getting that volume to meet that first earn-out. We do have to produce it, you know, steadily like that for over a quarter or for a quarter to get that earn-out. Like Philip said, maybe the end of the H1 of 2027.
Speaker #3: So when we get all of those wells that we're drilling in 2026 now, ready to go, we'll be a long way towards getting that volume to meet that first earn-out.
Speaker #3: We do have to produce it steadily like that for over a quarter or four a quarter. To get that earn-out. So like Philip said, maybe the end of the first half of 2027.
Speaker #4: Got it. That's all great. Great job, guys. That's all I had. Thanks for the time.
Nicholas Pope: Got it. That's all great. Great job, guys. That's all I had. Thanks for the time.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And our last question comes from the line of Noel Parks from Tully Brothers. Please go ahead.
Operator 2: Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Noel Parks from Tuohy Brothers. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hi. Good morning. I did hear you mention earlier that you had seen some modest pickup in non-op participation, I think, from adjacent partners. So I was just interested in that.
Noel Parks: Hi. Good morning. I did hear you mention earlier that you had seen some modest pickup in non-op participation, I think, from adjacent partners. I was just interested in that. I had heard something similar, I think, from another operator, and just thinking maybe the decision-making is a little different compared to, you know, in the current price environment compared to, you know, how public operators are approaching the environment.
Speaker #5: I had heard something similar, I think, from another operator. And just thinking maybe the decision-making is a little different compared to in the current price environment compared to how public operators are approaching the environment.
Speaker #4: Yeah. I'll start. Yeah. I think you said the right word, public. So this is in New Mexico. Where I'm referencing that. And it's the dynamic.
Philip Riley: Yeah, I'll start. Yeah, I think you said the right word, public. This is in New Mexico where I'm referencing that, and it's the dynamic John mentioned, which is forced pooling. You've got generally just more chopped up ownership, overlapping ownership, and it's not uncommon to participate in each other's wells out here. We got the majors, the largest oil companies in the world participating in our wells, to be honest. Yeah, we've got a couple proposals from some private operators. Whether that's a coincidence or not relating to, you know, their desire to increase activity, it may just be this was somewhat on the plans. Weren't sure exactly when it'd come, but now they're here. Yeah, we've got a few proposals. Those are coming now. We're happy to do it. These are great returns.
Speaker #4: John mentioned, which is forced pooling. You've got generally just more chopped-up ownership overlapping ownership. And it's not uncommon to participate in each other's wells out here.
Speaker #4: We got the majors, the largest oil companies in the world participating in our wells. To be honest. So yeah, we've got a couple of proposals from some private operators.
Speaker #4: Whether that's a coincidence or not relating to their desire to increase activity. It may just be this was somewhat on the plans. We weren't sure exactly when it'd come.
Speaker #4: But now they're here. So yeah, we've got a few proposals. Those are coming now. We're happy to do it. These are great returns. No reason not to participate in those.
Philip Riley: You know, no reason not to participate in those.
Speaker #5: Okay, great. And actually, I guess that goes for both New Mexico, what we're talking about, but it's also interesting thinking about Champion. How many operators are also actively drilling in your vicinity for each area?
Noel Parks: Okay, great. Actually, I guess, like, it goes for both New Mexico we're talking about, but also interesting, thinking about Champion. How many operators are also actively drilling in your vicinity for each area?
Speaker #3: Yeah. I'll take that. I would say in New Mexico, it would probably be two with one of them more sustained and the other one just every now and then.
John Suter: Yeah, I'll take that. I would say in New Mexico it would probably be, you know, 2 with, you know, one of them more sustained and the other one, you know, just every now and then. In Champions, we are by far the leading driller there. I think there is another company that might drill, I don't know, 4 or 5 wells a year. Yeah, 2 at most, but they really don't compete with us in the direct area.
Speaker #3: And then in Champions, we are by far the leading driller there. I think there is another company that might drill, I don't know, four or five wells a year.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Two at most. But they really don't compete with us in the direct area.
Speaker #5: Okay. And not so much thinking about large-scale M&A, but just from an A&D perspective, is there I mean, I guess if you're if the burden of the land work and so forth is going on, is there considerable extra inventory just from, I don't know, I don't know if it's the abandoned properties, but just since especially Champions is such an old field, is there much else to do if the ownership could be I guess concentrated brought out there?
Noel Parks: Okay. Not so much thinking about, you know, large scale M&A, but just from an A&D perspective, is there, I mean, I guess if you're, if the burden of, you know, the land work and so forth is going on, is there considerable extra inventory just from, you know, I don't know, I don't know if it's the abandoned properties. Just since especially Champions is such an old field, is there much else to do if the ownership could be, you know, I guess consecrated, bought out there?
Philip Riley: I'll attempt to answer that. Champions, I'd say it's mostly blocked up and spoken for. Look, all of this, I think, whether it's where we are in Texas or New Mexico or most likely throughout the Midland and Delaware, you have few areas where there's just available unleased land, right?
Speaker #4: I'll attempt to answer that. Champions, I'd say it's mostly blocked up and spoken for. Look, all of this, I think, whether it's where we are in Texas or New Mexico or most likely throughout the Midland and Delaware, you have few areas where there's just available unleased land, right?
Noel Parks: Sure.
Philip Riley: People have discovered where the resource is and have gone to try to capture that. There's always some work to be done to get that, and we give our thanks to our land teams to get that done. I think that's some of just the magic that happens with producers is getting that ready for drill and development. It's, it's a function of kind of piecing those together and getting them ready, finding whether it's old records or title or what have you. It, it's not so much that it's just available and somebody hadn't thought to get it yet.
Speaker #4: People have discovered where the resource is and have gone to try to capture that. There's always some work to be done to get that.
Speaker #4: And we give our thanks to our land teams to get that done. I think that's some of just the magic that happens with producers is getting that ready for drill and development.
Speaker #4: But it's a function of kind of piecing those together. And getting them ready, finding whether it's old records or title or what have you.
Speaker #4: But it's not so much that it's just available, and somebody hadn't thought to get it yet.
Speaker #3: Yeah. And I'll add on to that. But one thing to bring up in Champions that, yeah, we do control that. And we'll be drilling most all of that.
John Suter: Yeah.
Noel Parks: Sure.
John Suter: I'll add on to that. One thing to bring up in Champions that, yeah, we do control that and we'll be drilling most all of that. As Bobby always mentions, there is a lot of upside left in Champions, even once that, once that thing is fully developed. I mean, we only recover, you know, 8% of the oil, typically on primary. It's a field where I think you'll find a lot more oil to recover once we deplete the pressure down a little bit, where other techniques will benefit getting more oil out. Certainly in New Mexico, you know, Bobby said we may have, you know, 60, 70% of a lot of that acreage.
Speaker #3: As Bobby always mentions, there's a lot of upside left in Champions even once that thing is fully developed. I mean, we only recover 8% of the oil typically on primary.
Speaker #3: But it's a field where I think you'll find a lot more oil to recover once we deplete the pressure down a little bit where other techniques will benefit getting more oil out.
Speaker #3: And then certainly in New Mexico, Bobby said we may have 60, 70 percent of a lot of that acreage there's always people willing to sell in the right situation or to trade so there's there is upside there too from either acquisition or just some good land work.
John Suter: There's always people willing to sell in the right situation or to trade. There is upside there too from either acquisition or just some good land work.
Speaker #4: Also, we look at adding inventory when we're analyzing different benches. And not so much in Texas, but in New Mexico. There is some work being done in one of the upper benches that could significantly add inventory.
Bobby Riley: Also, we look at adding inventory when we're analyzing different benches. Not so much in Texas, but in New Mexico, there is some work being done in one of the upper benches that could significantly add inventory.
Speaker #5: Oh, great. And just to clarify, when you talk about alternate benches, are those things that have sort of similar deposition to the benches you're producing?
Noel Parks: Oh, great. Just to clarify, is that when you talk about alternate benches, are those things that have sort of similar deposition to the benches you're producing or are they more intermittent up there?
Speaker #5: Or are they more intermittent up there?
Speaker #4: No, it's pretty much the same as just adding another zone that's been tested and produced vertically. Adding it into the mix. So we're looking real hard at the number of wells per section that will be drilling in in Texas including based on our spacing test.
Bobby Riley: No, it's pretty much the same. It's just adding another zone that's been tested and produced vertically, adding it into the mix. You know, we're looking real hard at the number of wells per section that we'll be drilling in Texas, including, based on our spacing tests, you know, we could be adding an additional line 3 or maybe an additional Paddock and then additional uphold zone. We're still actively. I would not be concerned about the ground game. There's plenty of opportunity for us to add stick in addition to the numerous other organic projects that we have in-house.
Speaker #4: We could be adding an additional blindberry or maybe an additional paddock. And then an additional uphold zone. So we're still actively I would not be concerned about the ground game.
Speaker #4: There's plenty of opportunity for us to add sticks in addition to the numerous other organic projects that we have in-house.
Noel Parks: Terrific. Thanks a lot.
Speaker #5: Terrific. Thanks a lot.
Operator 2: Thank you, everyone. That concludes our conference call for today. You may now disconnect.
