Q4 2025 BQE Water Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the BQE Water Q4 2025 Investor Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
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Speaker #2: Hello, everyone. My name is David Cradockville. I'm the President and Chief Executive Officer of the company, and on behalf of our entire team, a warm welcome to our conference call about Q4 and year-end results for 2025.
David Kratochvil: Hello, everyone. My name is David Kratochvil. I'm the President and Chief Executive Officer of the company. On behalf of our entire team, warm welcome to our conference call about Q4 and year-end results for 2025. With me here on the call today are Heman Wong, the Chief Financial Officer of the company, and Peter Gleeson, Executive Chairman of the board. We will start the call by Heman summarizing the highlights of the financial results, and I will then provide a few comments to set the financial results in a broader context on the past, present, and future expectations from the management's perspective. Then we'll open the floor for questions.
David Kratochvil: Hello, everyone. My name is David Kratochvil. I'm the President and Chief Executive Officer of the company. On behalf of our entire team, warm welcome to our conference call about Q4 and year-end results for 2025. With me here on the call today are Heman Wong, the Chief Financial Officer of the company, and Peter Gleeson, Executive Chairman of the board. We will start the call by Heman summarizing the highlights of the financial results, and I will then provide a few comments to set the financial results in a broader context on the past, present, and future expectations from the management's perspective. Then we'll open the floor for questions.
Speaker #2: With me here on the call today are He Man Wong, the Chief Financial Officer of the company, and Peter Gleeson, Executive Chairman of the Board.
Speaker #2: We will start the call by He Man summarizing the highlights of the financial results, and I will then provide a few comments to set the financial results in a broader context on the past, present, and future expectations from management's perspective.
Speaker #2: And then we'll open the floor for questions. I do need to remind everyone, though, on the call that the discussion will contain forward-looking statements.
David Kratochvil: I do need to remind everyone, though, on the call that the discussion will contain forward-looking statements about future business and financial expectations, and the actual future results may differ from those projected in today's forward-looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties, including the risks described in our financial report. Furthermore, on this call, we'll refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures such as proportional revenue and Adjusted EBITDA. Reconciliation of these measures to the closest GAAP financial measure is included in our MD&A, which is available on our website. Now I will pass the floor over to Heman. Please go ahead.
David Kratochvil: I do need to remind everyone, though, on the call that the discussion will contain forward-looking statements about future business and financial expectations, and the actual future results may differ from those projected in today's forward-looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties, including the risks described in our financial report. Furthermore, on this call, we'll refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures such as proportional revenue and Adjusted EBITDA. Reconciliation of these measures to the closest GAAP financial measure is included in our MD&A, which is available on our website. Now I will pass the floor over to Heman. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: About future business and financial expectations, the actual future results may differ from those projected in today's forward-looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #2: Including the risks described in our financial report. Furthermore, on this call, we'll refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as proportional revenue and adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #2: And reconciliation of these measures to the closest GAAP financial measure is included in our MD&A, which is available on our website. And now I will pass the floor over to He Man. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thank you, David. Hello, everyone. My name is He Man, CFO of BQE Water. Let me first start by walking you through our financial performance for the year end, December 31, 2025.
Heman Wong: Thank you, David. Hello, everyone. My name is Heman, CFO of BQE Water. Let me first start by walking you through our financial performance for the year ended 31 December 2025. We delivered record GAAP revenues of CAD 35.5 million, an increase of CAD 18.4 million, which is 107%. A record proportional revenue of CAD 39.9 million, an increase of CAD 15.1 million, which is 61% increase compared to 2024. These results are broken down mainly by our recurring water treatment fees, which was CAD 7.3 million. In general, our Raglan with a longer season, and we started up a third SART plant in China and also start up a Selen-IX plant in North Dakota. Technical Services was CAD 28.3 million, and mainly the two projects in Yukon combined to CAD 20 million, and we hope will continue to work in 2026.
Heman Wong: Thank you, David. Hello, everyone. My name is Heman, CFO of BQE Water. Let me first start by walking you through our financial performance for the year ended 31 December 2025. We delivered record GAAP revenues of CAD 35.5 million, an increase of CAD 18.4 million, which is 107%. A record proportional revenue of CAD 39.9 million, an increase of CAD 15.1 million, which is 61% increase compared to 2024. These results are broken down mainly by our recurring water treatment fees, which was CAD 7.3 million. In general, our Raglan with a longer season, and we started up a third SART plant in China and also start up a Selen-IX plant in North Dakota. Technical Services was CAD 28.3 million, and mainly the two projects in Yukon combined to CAD 20 million, and we hope will continue to work in 2026.
Speaker #3: We delivered record GAAP revenues of $35.5 million, an increase of $18.4 million, which is 107%. And also a record proportional revenue of $39.9 million, an increase of $15.1 million.
Speaker #3: This is a 61% increase compared to 2024. These results are broken down mainly by our recurring water treatment fees, which were $7.3 million. In general, Raglan had a longer season, and we started up a third SART plant in China.
Speaker #3: And also started up a Salonex plant in North Dakota. Mechanical services was $28.3 million, and mainly the two projects in Yukon combined to $20 million.
Speaker #3: And we both will continue to work in 2026. Included in our proportional revenue, which includes our share of income and revenue from China, is our JCC joint venture.
Heman Wong: Included in our proportional revenue, which includes our share of income and revenue from China, our JCC joint venture, and this was roughly half of the prior year's results. Net income for the year was CAD 8.1 million compared to CAD 4.8 million, an increase of CAD 3.3 million or 68%. In our net income this year, we recorded a deferred tax recovery of CAD 1.8 million, which further increases the recovery from last year of CAD 1.3 million. In total, we have a CAD 3.1 million recognized deferred tax asset. This asset is recognized to offset future tax expenses against the prior year loss carryforwards from Canada. Adjusted EBITDA was CAD 8.2 million in 2025 compared to CAD 5.6 million in the prior year, an increase of CAD 2.6 million or 47%.
Heman Wong: Included in our proportional revenue, which includes our share of income and revenue from China, our JCC joint venture, and this was roughly half of the prior year's results. Net income for the year was CAD 8.1 million compared to CAD 4.8 million, an increase of CAD 3.3 million or 68%. In our net income this year, we recorded a deferred tax recovery of CAD 1.8 million, which further increases the recovery from last year of CAD 1.3 million. In total, we have a CAD 3.1 million recognized deferred tax asset. This asset is recognized to offset future tax expenses against the prior year loss carryforwards from Canada. Adjusted EBITDA was CAD 8.2 million in 2025 compared to CAD 5.6 million in the prior year, an increase of CAD 2.6 million or 47%.
Speaker #3: And this was roughly half of the prior year's results. Net income for the year was $8.1 million, compared to $4.8 million—an increase of $3.3 million, or 68%.
Speaker #3: In our net income this year, we recorded a deferred tax recovery of $1.8 million, which further increases the recovery from last year of $1.3 million.
Speaker #3: So, in total, we have $3.1 million recognized as a deferred tax asset. And this asset is recognized to offset future tax expenses against the prior year loss carryforwards.
Speaker #3: From Canada. Adjusted EBITDA was $8.2 million in 2025, compared to $5.6 million in the prior year—an increase of $2.6 million, or 47%. On the cash flow side, we grew net cash and cash equivalents by $7.2 million, to $19 million as of December 31, 2025.
Heman Wong: On the cash flow side, we grew net cash and cash equivalents by CAD 7.2 million to CAD 19 million as of 31 December 2025, with CAD 5.1 million generated from operating activities. On the balance sheet, we have increased our working capital, which we define as current assets less current liabilities, by CAD 8.8 million or 30% year over year to a total of CAD 21.4 million as of the year-end. With that, I would like to turn the call over back to David.
Heman Wong: On the cash flow side, we grew net cash and cash equivalents by CAD 7.2 million to CAD 19 million as of 31 December 2025, with CAD 5.1 million generated from operating activities. On the balance sheet, we have increased our working capital, which we define as current assets less current liabilities, by CAD 8.8 million or 30% year over year to a total of CAD 21.4 million as of the year-end. With that, I would like to turn the call over back to David.
Speaker #3: With $5.1 million generated from operating activities, on the balance sheet we have increased our working capital, which we define as current assets less current liabilities.
Speaker #3: Increased by $8.8 million, or 70% year over year, to a total of $21.4 million as of the year-end. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to David.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Thank you, He Man. Before we start with questions, I just wanted to share a few comments, observations, and thoughts on the company from my perspective.
David Kratochvil: Thank you. Thank you, Heman. Before we start with questions, I just wanted to share a few comments, observations, and thoughts on the company from my perspective. Looking at last year, it was really in many ways transformational for the company. When I compare the company today and a year ago, I see several significant changes. Number one is that our field operations team has grown tremendously. It's now, well, three times, maybe quadruple, the size of a year ago as a result of the operations work that we've actually been doing, not just last year, but already in Q1. As we indicated in our MD&A, we are in discussions with several other sites, where we expect to provide operation services this year as well. Really, our operations group is now by far the largest group in the company.
David Kratochvil: Thank you. Thank you, Heman. Before we start with questions, I just wanted to share a few comments, observations, and thoughts on the company from my perspective. Looking at last year, it was really in many ways transformational for the company. When I compare the company today and a year ago, I see several significant changes. Number one is that our field operations team has grown tremendously. It's now, well, three times, maybe quadruple, the size of a year ago as a result of the operations work that we've actually been doing, not just last year, but already in Q1. As we indicated in our MD&A, we are in discussions with several other sites, where we expect to provide operation services this year as well. Really, our operations group is now by far the largest group in the company.
Speaker #2: You know, looking at last year’s, it was really, in many ways, transformational for the company. When I compare the company today and a year ago, I see several significant changes.
Speaker #2: Number one is that our field operations team has grown tremendously. It's now, well, three times, maybe quadruple, the size of a year ago. As a result of the operations work that we've actually been doing not just last year, but already in Q1.
Speaker #2: And as we indicated in our MD&A, we are in discussions with several other sites where we expect to provide operation services this year as well.
Speaker #2: And really, our operations group is now by far the largest group in the company. So that really bodes well for the ability of the company to generate revenue, and recurring revenue specifically.
David Kratochvil: That really bodes well for the ability of the company to generate revenue and recurring revenue specifically. I also want to share with everyone that our new aquatic toxicity lab is approaching completion. We expect that active testing with fish will start within the next few weeks. We've already received interest from several existing clients who inquired and are interested in toxicology services that include not only the advisory consulting side, but also crucially, the actual lab testing. I also see a backlog of engineering services projects that I don't think I've seen before at BQE. I think that the size of the projects that are in the backlog is also indicative of the stage of the commodity cycle. I finally wanted to also share with everyone that I personally do see already positive results of the internal reorganization, restructuring that we completed last year.
David Kratochvil: That really bodes well for the ability of the company to generate revenue and recurring revenue specifically. I also want to share with everyone that our new aquatic toxicity lab is approaching completion. We expect that active testing with fish will start within the next few weeks. We've already received interest from several existing clients who inquired and are interested in toxicology services that include not only the advisory consulting side, but also crucially, the actual lab testing. I also see a backlog of engineering services projects that I don't think I've seen before at BQE. I think that the size of the projects that are in the backlog is also indicative of the stage of the commodity cycle. I finally wanted to also share with everyone that I personally do see already positive results of the internal reorganization, restructuring that we completed last year.
Speaker #2: I also want to share with everyone that our new aquatic toxicity lab is approaching completion, and we expect that active testing with fish will start within the next few weeks.
Speaker #2: And we've already received interest from several existing clients who have inquired and are interested in toxicology services that include not only the advisory consulting side, but also, crucially, the actual lab testing.
Speaker #2: I also see a backlog of engineering services projects that I don't think I've seen before at BQE. And I think that the size of the projects that are in the backlog is also indicative of the stage of the cycle—the commodity cycle.
Speaker #2: I finally wanted to also share with everyone that I personally do see already positive results of the internal reorganization and restructuring that we completed last year.
Speaker #2: We definitely increased our business development capacity, and it's still expanding, with the fresh onboarding of our new Latin American lead. We have a dedicated intellectual property capture and development area, with leadership in place and properly staffed.
David Kratochvil: We definitely increased our business development capacity, and it's still expanding with fresh onboarding of our new Latin American lead. We have dedicated intellectual property capture and development area with the leadership in place and properly staffed. We also onboarded the new directors of EH&S and talent that will make us overall better company. Finally, I see sort of shift in the industry when I compare Q1 last year to Q1 this year. The nature of the work's changed. Last year, we worked on a lot of small, early-stage projects on the technical services side. This year, most of the work and proposals are really for pre-feasibility, feasibility studies, and for projects that are anticipated to fast track to implementation. A major shift in the nature of the technical services work that we anticipate as we progress through the year.
David Kratochvil: We definitely increased our business development capacity, and it's still expanding with fresh onboarding of our new Latin American lead. We have dedicated intellectual property capture and development area with the leadership in place and properly staffed. We also onboarded the new directors of EH&S and talent that will make us overall better company. Finally, I see sort of shift in the industry when I compare Q1 last year to Q1 this year. The nature of the work's changed. Last year, we worked on a lot of small, early-stage projects on the technical services side. This year, most of the work and proposals are really for pre-feasibility, feasibility studies, and for projects that are anticipated to fast track to implementation. A major shift in the nature of the technical services work that we anticipate as we progress through the year.
Speaker #2: And we also onboarded a new Director of EH&S and Talent. That will make us an overall better company. Finally, I see sort of a shift in the industry.
Speaker #2: When I compare Q1 last year to Q1 this year, the nature of the work changed. Last year, we worked on a lot of small, early-stage projects on the technical services side.
Speaker #2: This year, most of the work and proposals are really for pre-feasibility and feasibility studies, and for projects that are anticipated to fast-track to implementation.
Speaker #2: So, a major shift in the nature of the technical services work that we anticipate as we progress through the year. Now, we are growing and will continue to grow. What is the expected growth?
David Kratochvil: Now we are growing and will continue to grow. What is the expected growth? It's early to say for this year for sure, but I would say that we're well on our way to meeting our internal goal that we set for ourselves last year, which is to double in size in the next three to four years. With this out of the way, I would like to now open the floor to questions that you may have for us, and back to you, Morgan.
David Kratochvil: Now we are growing and will continue to grow. What is the expected growth? It's early to say for this year for sure, but I would say that we're well on our way to meeting our internal goal that we set for ourselves last year, which is to double in size in the next three to four years. With this out of the way, I would like to now open the floor to questions that you may have for us, and back to you, Morgan.
Speaker #2: It's early to say for this year for sure, but I would say that we're well on our way to meeting our internal goal that we set for ourselves last year, which is to double in size in the next three to four years.
Speaker #2: And with this out of the way, I would like to now open the floor to questions that you may have for us. And back to you, Morgan.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue.
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Speaker #3: One moment while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from Robert Gignac with Fortera Investment Management. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: Hi, and thanks for taking my questions. Thanks for giving investors and analysts an opportunity for questions. My first question is just about the current outlook for 2026.
Robert Gignac: Hi, and thanks for taking my questions, and thanks for giving a platform for investors and analysts an opportunity to ask questions. My first question is just about the current outlook for 2026. It seems to be quite strong. After such a strong year in 2025, should investors be thinking that you can see revenue growth? And if so, would this be more from operations revenue stepping up or a mix of both?
Robert Gignac: Hi, and thanks for taking my questions, and thanks for giving a platform for investors and analysts an opportunity to ask questions. My first question is just about the current outlook for 2026. It seems to be quite strong. After such a strong year in 2025, should investors be thinking that you can see revenue growth? And if so, would this be more from operations revenue stepping up or a mix of both?
Speaker #2: It seems to be quite strong, but after such a strong year in 2025, should investors be thinking that you can see revenue growth? And if so, would this be more from operations revenue stepping up, or a mix of both?
Speaker #3: Mr. Gignac is interested in your revenue growth.
Operator: Mr. Gignac is interested in your revenue growth.
Operator: Mr. Gignac is interested in your revenue growth.
Speaker #4: Okay. Hi, Robert, and thank you for your question. So I think the growth is actually going to come in balanced from all these areas.
David Kratochvil: Okay. Hi, Robert, and thank you for your question. I think the growth is actually going to come in balanced from all these areas. I think we're firing on all cylinders. I think when I look at the operations services, there's undeniably growth that's going to come from there. With respect to the difficulty to overcome last year because of the revenue link to the emergency response at Eagle, obviously we don't need as many resources this year necessarily for Eagle, but we continue. There's still water. We're there on site. We're treating. I think that with respect to the operations revenue, there's definitely going to be a growth there. For the rest of the company, as I alluded to, I think just the nature of the projects changed.
David Kratochvil: Okay. Hi, Robert, and thank you for your question. I think the growth is actually going to come in balanced from all these areas. I think we're firing on all cylinders. I think when I look at the operations services, there's undeniably growth that's going to come from there. With respect to the difficulty to overcome last year because of the revenue link to the emergency response at Eagle, obviously we don't need as many resources this year necessarily for Eagle, but we continue. There's still water. We're there on site. We're treating. I think that with respect to the operations revenue, there's definitely going to be a growth there. For the rest of the company, as I alluded to, I think just the nature of the projects changed.
Speaker #4: I think we're firing on all cylinders. I think, when I look at the operations services, there's undeniably growth that's going to come from there.
Speaker #4: With respect to the difficulty to overcome last year because of the revenue linked to the emergency response at Eagle, obviously we don’t need as many resources this year necessarily, but for Eagle.
Speaker #4: But we continue. There is still water. We're there on site. We're treating. So I think that, with respect to the operations revenue, there's definitely going to be growth there.
Speaker #4: And for the rest of the company, as I alluded to, I think just the nature of the projects changed. And so I expect that these feasibility studies, pre-feasibility studies, that allow us to allocate resources for extended periods of time, rather than these small projects where you need to really quickly be reallocating and really replacing projects that move through the pipeline very quickly within four to six weeks.
David Kratochvil: I expect that these feasibility studies, pre-feasibility studies, that allow us to allocate resources for extended period of time, rather than these small projects where you need to really quickly be reallocating and really replacing projects that move through the pipeline very quickly. Within 4 to 6 weeks, you need to have a replacement. These feasibility studies are typically taking months, right? I do expect growth overall. It's early to say how much, but I certainly, based on what we see, I would expect to do better than last year.
David Kratochvil: I expect that these feasibility studies, pre-feasibility studies, that allow us to allocate resources for extended period of time, rather than these small projects where you need to really quickly be reallocating and really replacing projects that move through the pipeline very quickly. Within 4 to 6 weeks, you need to have a replacement. These feasibility studies are typically taking months, right? I do expect growth overall. It's early to say how much, but I certainly, based on what we see, I would expect to do better than last year.
Speaker #4: You need to have a replacement. These feasibility studies are typically taking months, right? And so, you have a better opportunity to achieve higher utilization of staff.
Speaker #4: And so, I do expect growth overall. It's early to say how much, but certainly, based on what we see, I would expect to do better than last year.
Speaker #2: Okay, great. And just maybe on a follow-up for that, it's just around the Britannia Mill Start project. Can you maybe elaborate on the rationale for this project from the client's perspective and the prospect of this providing a reference case for other projects in North America?
Robert Gignac: Okay, great. Just maybe on a follow-up for that, it's just around the Britannia Mill SART project. Can you maybe elaborate on the rationale for this project from the client's perspective and the prospect of this providing a reference case for other projects in North America?
Robert Gignac: Okay, great. Just maybe on a follow-up for that, it's just around the Britannia Mill SART project. Can you maybe elaborate on the rationale for this project from the client's perspective and the prospect of this providing a reference case for other projects in North America?
Speaker #4: Sorry, Robert, it wasn't clear you were asking about Britannia and reference?
David Kratochvil: Sorry, Robert, it wasn't clear. You was asking about Britannia and reference?
David Kratochvil: Sorry, Robert, it wasn't clear. You was asking about Britannia and reference?
Speaker #2: So just on the Britannia Mill Start project, if you could elaborate on the— and just maybe.
Robert Gignac: Just on the Britannia Mill SART project.
Robert Gignac: Just on the Britannia Mill SART project.
David Kratochvil: Oh, Britannia Mill. Okay.
David Kratochvil: Oh, Britannia Mill. Okay.
Robert Gignac: If you could elaborate on the.
Robert Gignac: If you could elaborate on the.
David Kratochvil: Two Britannias.
David Kratochvil: Two Britannias.
Robert Gignac: Yes.
Robert Gignac: Yes.
David Kratochvil: Okay. Sorry.
David Kratochvil: Okay. Sorry.
Robert Gignac: Just maybe.
Robert Gignac: Just maybe.
David Kratochvil: We now know what project you're talking about, so can you repeat it? Okay.
David Kratochvil: We now know what project you're talking about, so can you repeat it? Okay.
Speaker #4: We now know what project you're talking about. Can you repeat it? Okay.
Speaker #2: Yes. And can you maybe elaborate on the rationale for this project from the client's perspective, and the prospect of this providing a reference case for other projects in North America?
Robert Gignac: Yes. Can you maybe elaborate on the rationale for this project from the client's perspective and the prospect of this providing a reference case for other projects in North America?
Robert Gignac: Yes. Can you maybe elaborate on the rationale for this project from the client's perspective and the prospect of this providing a reference case for other projects in North America?
Speaker #4: Yeah. Obviously, I can't comment from the client's perspective. That's up to them to comment. I think that the importance, obviously, for the SAR technology overall is to have its first application in Canada.
David Kratochvil: Yeah. Obviously, I can't comment from the client's perspective. That's up to them to comment. I think that the importance, obviously, for the SART technology overall is to have its first application in Canada, and application that is basically in the metallurgical processing that is non-heap leach, which is a tougher application for SART and for cyanide recycling than a heap leach operation. I think for those reasons, having that reference is really important, and I think that it sets also the tone for other companies in the way that we actually execute and implement together, with Hudbay. Because I think, as we discussed, in the past, the notion that you can quickly implement SART without having the right people involved, relying on what's publicly available without having the know-how and expertise, I think that's a fallacy.
David Kratochvil: Yeah. Obviously, I can't comment from the client's perspective. That's up to them to comment. I think that the importance, obviously, for the SART technology overall is to have its first application in Canada, and application that is basically in the metallurgical processing that is non-heap leach, which is a tougher application for SART and for cyanide recycling than a heap leach operation. I think for those reasons, having that reference is really important, and I think that it sets also the tone for other companies in the way that we actually execute and implement together, with Hudbay. Because I think, as we discussed, in the past, the notion that you can quickly implement SART without having the right people involved, relying on what's publicly available without having the know-how and expertise, I think that's a fallacy.
Speaker #4: An application that is basically in the metallurgical processing that is non-heat leach, which is a tougher application for SART and for cyanide recycling than a heat leach operation.
Speaker #4: And I think for those reasons, having that reference is really important. And I think that it also sets the tone for other companies in the way that we actually execute and implement together.
Speaker #4: With HUD D Bay. And, because I think, as we discussed in the past, the notion that you can quickly implement SART without having the right people involved—relying on sort of what's publicly available without having the know-how and expertise—I think that's a fallacy.
Speaker #4: And I think that this really helps us to put the stake in the ground and say, 'This is how you deliver SART in Canada—safely, quickly—and achieve the metallurgical performance and safety standards that everybody's expecting.'
David Kratochvil: I think that this really helps us to put the stake in the ground and say, "This is how you deliver SART in Canada safely, quickly, and achieve the metallurgical performance and safety standards that everybody's expecting.
David Kratochvil: I think that this really helps us to put the stake in the ground and say, "This is how you deliver SART in Canada safely, quickly, and achieve the metallurgical performance and safety standards that everybody's expecting.
Speaker #2: Yeah. If I can add, David, to that—and to you, Robert, hello, Robert—the Hudbay's due diligence, because there was nothing in the geographical region, was big, straight.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah. If I can add, David, to that and to you, Robert. Hello, Robert. The Hudbay's due diligence, because there was nothing in the geographical region, was a big stretch. They really did do a hell of a lot of due diligence, including traveling around the sites we've got. A bit like any business you look at, you look at first time movers to make the market. Well, there's also an element of that in geography, that if someone is in the geographical region, someone else says, "Where can I see it?" So I think it'll be a good reference point in that way as well, not just an accident.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah. If I can add, David, to that and to you, Robert. Hello, Robert. The Hudbay's due diligence, because there was nothing in the geographical region, was a big stretch. They really did do a hell of a lot of due diligence, including traveling around the sites we've got. A bit like any business you look at, you look at first time movers to make the market. Well, there's also an element of that in geography, that if someone is in the geographical region, someone else says, "Where can I see it?" So I think it'll be a good reference point in that way as well, not just an accident.
Speaker #2: They really did do a hell of a lot of due diligence, including traveling around the sites we've got. And, a bit like any business you look at, you look at first-time movers to make the market.
Speaker #2: Well, there's also an element of that in geography. If someone is in the geographical region, someone else says, "Where can I see it?" So I think it would be a good reference point in that way as well.
Speaker #2: Not just that today. Great, thanks. I'll get back in the queue. Thank you.
Robert Gignac: Great. Thanks. I'll get back in the queue. Thank you.
Robert Gignac: Great. Thanks. I'll get back in the queue. Thank you.
Speaker #4: No. We know you will, Robert. It's okay.
Peter Gleeson: We know you will, Robert. It's okay.
Peter Gleeson: We know you will, Robert. It's okay.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from Nicholas Cortellucci with Atrium Research. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from Nicholas Cortellucci with Atrium Research. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from Nicholas Cortellucci with Atrium Research. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Hey there, David and team. Thanks for answering my questions here. Really excited for the first conference call that you guys are doing in a long time.
Nicholas Cortellucci: Hey there, David and team. Thanks for answering my questions here. Really excited for the first conference call that you guys are doing in a long time. The first question I wanted to ask was regarding two of the contracts you signed, one with Canadian Royalties together for Britannia. It seems like those were signed on plants that other companies built. How did you guys land those contracts over the incumbent, and is that a future opportunity where you can go to other plants that are built around the world and insert yourselves in there?
Nicholas Cortellucci: Hey there, David and team. Thanks for answering my questions here. Really excited for the first conference call that you guys are doing in a long time. The first question I wanted to ask was regarding two of the contracts you signed, one with Canadian Royalties together for Britannia. It seems like those were signed on plants that other companies built. How did you guys land those contracts over the incumbent, and is that a future opportunity where you can go to other plants that are built around the world and insert yourselves in there?
Speaker #5: So the first question I wanted to ask was regarding two of the contracts you signed with, one with Canadian Royalties, the other for Britannia.
Speaker #5: And it seems like those were signed on plants that other companies built. So how did you guys land those contracts over the incumbent? And is that a future opportunity where you can go to other plants that are built around the world and insert yourself in there?
David Kratochvil: Hi, Nicholas, and thank you for the question. I think your last point about is that an opportunity for us, absolutely. I think as this company grows, as much as you know well that the vast majority of our projects have been sole sourced, so we got into operations without having to compete and bid against others. We recognize that as we grow this company, and we want to continue growing, we have to go after some of these tenders and public tenders from governments as well. I think that in order for us to be successful in those, we however needed to build that expertise, and really strong expertise and know-how. Not only on the operations side, but to have all the systems in place. To be a really credible party to bid on a large government contract, we have to have systems in place and procedures.
David Kratochvil: Hi, Nicholas, and thank you for the question. I think your last point about is that an opportunity for us, absolutely. I think as this company grows, as much as you know well that the vast majority of our projects have been sole sourced, so we got into operations without having to compete and bid against others. We recognize that as we grow this company, and we want to continue growing, we have to go after some of these tenders and public tenders from governments as well. I think that in order for us to be successful in those, we however needed to build that expertise, and really strong expertise and know-how. Not only on the operations side, but to have all the systems in place. To be a really credible party to bid on a large government contract, we have to have systems in place and procedures.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Hi, Nicholas. And thank you for the question. I think your last point about, is that an opportunity for us? Absolutely. I think as this company grows—as much as you know well that the vast majority of our projects have been sole-sourced.
Speaker #4: So we got into operations without having to compete and bid against others. We recognize that as we grow this company and we want to continue growing, we have to go after some of these tenders and public tenders from governments as well.
Speaker #4: And I think that in order for us to be successful in those, we, however, needed to build that expertise and really strong expertise and know-how.
Speaker #4: And not only on the operations side, but to have all the systems in place to be a really credible party to bid on a large government contract.
Speaker #4: We have to have systems in place, and procedures. And I think that that is really the part of the winning strategy. So, for Canadian Royalties, I think that in order to be successful at a remote site, in a seasonal operation, where you need to discharge large volumes of water very quickly, you need really good systems in place and a strong team that can train, onboard, and execute with confidence.
David Kratochvil: I think that is really part of the winning strategy. For Canadian Royalties, I think that in order to be successful at a remote site, in a seasonal operation where you need to discharge large volume of water very quickly, you need really good systems in place and strong team that can train on board and execute with confidence. I think that really is the winning strategy for some of these seasonal operations for us in general. Like I said, for the government contracts, I think that really winning Britannia basically vaults the company into a different tier of a company that I imagine that once Faro comes again on a public tender in Yukon, we will be there, and we will be one of the senior players.
David Kratochvil: I think that is really part of the winning strategy. For Canadian Royalties, I think that in order to be successful at a remote site, in a seasonal operation where you need to discharge large volume of water very quickly, you need really good systems in place and strong team that can train on board and execute with confidence. I think that really is the winning strategy for some of these seasonal operations for us in general. Like I said, for the government contracts, I think that really winning Britannia basically vaults the company into a different tier of a company that I imagine that once Faro comes again on a public tender in Yukon, we will be there, and we will be one of the senior players.
Speaker #4: And I think that that really is the winning strategy for some of these seasonal operations for us in general. And like I said, for the government contracts, I think that really winning Britannia basically vaults the company into a different tier of a company. I imagine that once Pharaoh comes again on a public tender in Yukon, we will be there.
Speaker #4: And we will be one of the senior players.
Speaker #5: Got it. Okay. That's amazing. And then the other question I had was more for Heeman. Regarding the levels of the sales and development costs of $1.5 million in Q4, is that the level that we should expect going forward, given the hiring and corporate organization you guys have done?
Nicholas Cortellucci: Got it. Okay, that's amazing. The other question I had was more for Heman, regarding the levels of the sales and development costs of CAD 1.5 million in Q4. Is that the level that we should expect going forward, given the hiring and corporate organization you guys have done?
Nicholas Cortellucci: Got it. Okay, that's amazing. The other question I had was more for Heman, regarding the levels of the sales and development costs of CAD 1.5 million in Q4. Is that the level that we should expect going forward, given the hiring and corporate organization you guys have done?
Speaker #4: Yeah. Regarding the sales and development costs, one thing we alluded to in Q3, we had the expanding and the product toxicity. So there is cost to, I would say, more of a one-time cost.
Heman Wong: Yeah. Regarding the sales and development costs, one thing we alluded to in Q3, we had the expanding in the aquatic toxicity. There is cost to, I would say more of a one-time cost, and it takes time for them to build up the lab and they will soon be revenue generating, like what David mentioned earlier. I wouldn't expect a continual increase up, but there is components of one time in nature in there as well. Yep.
Heman Wong: Yeah. Regarding the sales and development costs, one thing we alluded to in Q3, we had the expanding in the aquatic toxicity. There is cost to, I would say more of a one-time cost, and it takes time for them to build up the lab and they will soon be revenue generating, like what David mentioned earlier. I wouldn't expect a continual increase up, but there is components of one time in nature in there as well. Yep.
Speaker #4: And it takes time for them to build up the lab, and they will soon be revenue-generating. Like what David mentioned earlier, I wouldn't expect a continual increase up, but there are components that are one-time in nature in there as well.
Speaker #4: Yeah.
Speaker #2: Oh, yeah. I would expect it to be a maximum going forward. And as you know, we don't use our capital in other areas, but this is the one area that, with a small bit of M&A that we did in July last year, there are some unusual expenses out there, but they're not extraordinary.
David Kratochvil: I would expect it to be a maximum going forward. As you know, we don't use our capital, Nicholas, in other areas, but this is the one area that, with a small bit of M&A that we did in July last year, there is some unusual expenses out there, but they're not extraordinary.
David Kratochvil: I would expect it to be a maximum going forward. As you know, we don't use our capital, Nicholas, in other areas, but this is the one area that, with a small bit of M&A that we did in July last year, there is some unusual expenses out there, but they're not extraordinary.
Heman Wong: Understood.
Nicholas Cortellucci: Understood.
Speaker #4: But I think, in general, right, sales and development also. So there is that one-time sort of investment cost into the aquatic toxicity. But I think, in general, everybody understands that that's where a lot of unallocated labor ends up.
Heman Wong: I think in general, sales and development also, so there is that one-time investment cost into the aquatic toxicity. I think in general, everybody understands that's where a lot of unallocated labor ends up. If we are not busy, it becomes sales and development expense for the company. We expect that to be fairly minimal. Having said that, we're growing, and we're onboarding a lot of new people, and so it may be fluctuating depending on how much internal time we need to spend on onboarding talent. I think moving forward this year, it's not going to be a very large number because a lot of the onboarding is happening through our existing operations. The labor is fully allocated. If we get into a situation where we're onboarding some senior talent, then that would be in that line item. Yeah.
Heman Wong: I think in general, sales and development also, so there is that one-time investment cost into the aquatic toxicity. I think in general, everybody understands that's where a lot of unallocated labor ends up. If we are not busy, it becomes sales and development expense for the company. We expect that to be fairly minimal. Having said that, we're growing, and we're onboarding a lot of new people, and so it may be fluctuating depending on how much internal time we need to spend on onboarding talent. I think moving forward this year, it's not going to be a very large number because a lot of the onboarding is happening through our existing operations. The labor is fully allocated. If we get into a situation where we're onboarding some senior talent, then that would be in that line item. Yeah.
Speaker #4: So if we are not busy, it becomes a sales and development expense for the company. So we expect that to be fairly minimal. Having said that, we're growing.
Speaker #4: And we're onboarding a lot of new people, and so there may be fluctuations depending on how much internal time we need to spend on onboarding talent.
Speaker #4: I think, moving forward this year, it's not going to be a very large number, because a lot of the onboarding is happening through our existing operations.
Speaker #4: So the labor is fully allocated. But if we get into a situation where we're onboarding some senior talent, then that would be in that line item.
Speaker #4: Yeah.
Speaker #5: Right. Understood. Okay. Well, thanks for answering my questions, guys. I'll jump back in the queue.
Nicholas Cortellucci: Right. Understood. Okay. Well, thanks for answering my questions, guys, and I'll jump back in the queue.
Nicholas Cortellucci: Right. Understood. Okay. Well, thanks for answering my questions, guys, and I'll jump back in the queue.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from Siddharth Swanee with Rational Capital Investment Fund. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from Sidharth Sawhney with Rational Capital Investment Fund. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from Sidharth Sawhney with Rational Capital Investment Fund. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Hello. I have a question. Apart from the regional hub model, where a single head office can manage a suite of local projects, for your operational segment going forward, which is the strategy that you'll be using to scale? Are there any other strategies that you'll be using to reduce the customer acquisition costs and retention costs?
Sidharth Sawhney: Hello. I have a question. Apart from the regional hub model where a single head office can manage a suite of local projects for your operational segment going forward, which is the strategy that you'll be using to scale, are there any other strategies that you'll be using to reduce the customer acquisition costs and retention costs? Possibly through AI automation tools, where the data that you collect there is some value from all of that.
Sidharth Sawhney: Hello. I have a question. Apart from the regional hub model where a single head office can manage a suite of local projects for your operational segment going forward, which is the strategy that you'll be using to scale, are there any other strategies that you'll be using to reduce the customer acquisition costs and retention costs? Possibly through AI automation tools, where the data that you collect there is some value from all of that.
Speaker #6: Possibly through AI automation tools, where the value that the data that you collect—there is some value from all of that.
Speaker #4: Could you repeat that again?
David Kratochvil: Could you repeat that again?
David Kratochvil: Could you repeat that again?
Speaker #6: Wait.
Peter Gleeson: We had a hard time actually understanding. You were not-
Peter Gleeson: We had a hard time actually understanding. You were not-
Speaker #4: We had a hard time actually understanding. You were not the best line. It's really not the best line. Yeah.
David Kratochvil: It's not the best line. It's really not the best line here.
David Kratochvil: It's not the best line. It's really not the best line here.
Speaker #6: Yeah, my question is about the scalability from the operational segment. You said that you can use a single head office and you can gather many projects in that region.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah.
Sidharth Sawhney: My question is about the scalability from the operational segment. You said that you can use a single head office and you can gather many projects in that region, and that's how you'd scale to the operational segment. I was wondering if there is implementation of some AI and automation tools as well that could help reduce customer acquisition costs and retention costs going forward.
Sidharth Sawhney: My question is about the scalability from the operational segment. You said that you can use a single head office and you can gather many projects in that region, and that's how you'd scale to the operational segment. I was wondering if there is implementation of some AI and automation tools as well that could help reduce customer acquisition costs and retention costs going forward.
Speaker #6: And that's how you'd scale to the operational segment. I was wondering if there is implementation of some AI and automation tools as well that could help reduce customer acquisition costs and retention costs going forward.
David Kratochvil: Very good question, and thank you for that. I'll offer a comment and then let my colleagues comment on it as well. It's true that we enjoy, and we will continue to enjoy, the economy of scale as we scale up our operations and have a centralized system for operation support for health and safety, and obviously collecting data, as you alluded to, and interpreting trends and et cetera. Basic operation support. The data also is a source of potential new IP, so the analysis of the data is actually mined internally, for any new potential IP and ideas for improvements in technology development. As far as automating that, we're well on our way to do that.
Speaker #4: Yeah, no, very good question, and thank you for that. I'll offer comments and then let my colleagues comment on it as well. So, it's true.
David Kratochvil: Very good question, and thank you for that. I'll offer a comment and then let my colleagues comment on it as well. It's true that we enjoy, and we will continue to enjoy, the economy of scale as we scale up our operations and have a centralized system for operation support for health and safety, and obviously collecting data, as you alluded to, and interpreting trends and et cetera. Basic operation support. The data also is a source of potential new IP, so the analysis of the data is actually mined internally, for any new potential IP and ideas for improvements in technology development. As far as automating that, we're well on our way to do that.
Speaker #4: That we enjoy, and we will continue to enjoy, the economy of scale as we scale up our operations and have a centralized system for operation support, for health and safety, and obviously collecting data, as you alluded to, and interpreting trends, and etc., etc.
Speaker #4: Basically, operation support. The data is also a source of potential new IP. So, the analysis of the data is actually mined internally for any new potential IP and ideas for improvements in technology development.
Speaker #4: So as far as automating that, we're well on our way to do that. In our automation team, we have one person who's actually dedicated to streamlining the way that the sites report and automatically generates different heat maps, if you will, or summaries for people involved in operations support.
David Kratochvil: In our automation team, we have one person who's actually dedicated to streamlining the way that the sites reports and automatically generates different heat maps, if you will, or summaries for people involved in operation support, in intellectual property development, and actually archiving as well for ourselves. As far as actually implementing artificial intelligence, we're very careful about it. We don't have a subscription to any AI because we are focused on intellectual property, and we're not feeling confident yet that the rules around and clarity around intellectual property are clear enough for us to be confident to engage in that sense. As far as automation, absolutely. It's already happening inside. Yeah.
David Kratochvil: In our automation team, we have one person who's actually dedicated to streamlining the way that the sites reports and automatically generates different heat maps, if you will, or summaries for people involved in operation support, in intellectual property development, and actually archiving as well for ourselves. As far as actually implementing artificial intelligence, we're very careful about it. We don't have a subscription to any AI because we are focused on intellectual property, and we're not feeling confident yet that the rules around and clarity around intellectual property are clear enough for us to be confident to engage in that sense. As far as automation, absolutely. It's already happening inside. Yeah.
Speaker #4: In intellectual property development, and actually archiving as well for ourselves, as far as actually implementing artificial intelligence, we're very careful about it. We don't have a subscription to any AI for reasons that we—because we are focused on intellectual property and we're not feeling confident yet that the rules and clarity around intellectual property are clear enough for us to be confident to engage in that sense.
Speaker #4: But as far as automation, absolutely. It's already happening inside. Yeah. That's great. Thank you so much. My second question was regarding the discipline engineering acquisition that was talked about previously.
Sidharth Sawhney: Okay. That's great. Thank you so much. My second question was regarding the disciplined engineering acquisition that was talked about previously. We did the aquatic toxicity acquisition. I just wanted to ask if there's any updates on that.
Sidharth Sawhney: Okay. That's great. Thank you so much. My second question was regarding the disciplined engineering acquisition that was talked about previously. We did the aquatic toxicity acquisition. I just wanted to ask if there's any updates on that.
Speaker #4: We did the aquatic toxicology acquisition. I just wanted to ask if there's any updates on that.
Speaker #6: Yeah, no updates that we would be able to share on this call. However, as we indicated, that's a natural next area for us to be pursuing.
David Kratochvil: Yeah. No updates that we would be able to share on this call. However, as we indicated, that's a natural next area for us to be pursuing. We are in the process of identifying additional ones. It's not just the discipline engineering, but we're starting to look at new areas that we haven't looked previously, but we're looking now. Again, fully complementary, applying the same criteria, we're looking for businesses that are already profitable, established, and that are bolting onto our existing services, specifically in water and mining, so that it's truly growing complementary to what we have. We don't have anything specific to announce on M&A today. Those are the areas that we're looking.
David Kratochvil: Yeah. No updates that we would be able to share on this call. However, as we indicated, that's a natural next area for us to be pursuing. We are in the process of identifying additional ones. It's not just the discipline engineering, but we're starting to look at new areas that we haven't looked previously, but we're looking now. Again, fully complementary, applying the same criteria, we're looking for businesses that are already profitable, established, and that are bolting onto our existing services, specifically in water and mining, so that it's truly growing complementary to what we have. We don't have anything specific to announce on M&A today. Those are the areas that we're looking.
Speaker #6: And we are in the process of identifying additional ones. So it's not just the discipline engineering, but we're starting to look at areas—new areas that we haven't yet, we haven't looked at previously, but we're looking now.
Speaker #6: And again, fully complementary, applying the same criteria—we're looking for businesses that are already profitable, established, and that are bolting onto our existing services, specifically in water and mining, so that it's truly growing complementary to what we have.
Speaker #6: But we don't have anything specific to announce on M&A today, but those are the areas that we're looking at.
Speaker #4: That's awesome. Thank you so much, David. Thank you, Peter.
Sidharth Sawhney: That's awesome. Thank you so much, David. Thank you, Peter.
Sidharth Sawhney: That's awesome. Thank you so much, David. Thank you, Peter.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from Quig Tingley, who is a shareholder. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from Hall A. Tingley, who is a shareholder. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from Hall A. Tingley, who is a shareholder. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Hi, guys. Can you hear me? I hope I got this right.
Hall A. Tingley: Hi, guys. Can you hear me? I hope I got this right.
Quig Tingley: Hi, guys. Can you hear me? I hope I got this right.
Speaker #4: Yeah, we can hear you, Quig. All right.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah. We can hear you, Quig. Hi.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah. We can hear you, Quig. Hi.
Speaker #5: First off, congratulations. Great job. We're very happy shareholders.
Hall A. Tingley: First off, congratulations. Great job. I'm a very happy shareholder.
Quig Tingley: First off, congratulations. Great job. I'm a very happy shareholder.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Peter Gleeson: Thank you.
Peter Gleeson: Thank you.
Speaker #5: But next, the focus seems to be, or it seems to be, a very large focus on critical minerals and rare earths. And I just wondered if we have got any technologies, or whatever, that we're looking at in that area as a new source of income.
Hall A. Tingley: Next, there seems to be a very large focus on critical minerals, rare earths, and I just wondered if we have got any technologies or whatever that, or we're looking at that area, as a new area of business or a new source of income.
Quig Tingley: Next, there seems to be a very large focus on critical minerals, rare earths, and I just wondered if we have got any technologies or whatever that, or we're looking at that area, as a new area of business or a new source of income.
Peter Gleeson: I'll certainly let David answer it, but as a shareholder, you see David's made some mentions about us in projects with rare earths now. I don't know how you'd expand on that, David. Is it any different to?
Speaker #4: Yeah, I'll certainly let David answer it. But as a shareholder, you see David's made some mentions about us in projects with rare earths now.
Peter Gleeson: I'll certainly let David answer it, but as a shareholder, you see David's made some mentions about us in projects with rare earths now. I don't know how you'd expand on that, David. Is it any different to?
Speaker #4: I don't know how you'd expand on that, David. Is it any different to...?
David Kratochvil: Put it this way, I think it's public knowledge that we are part and parcel of two projects that Aclara Resources are advancing in South America. One is in Chile and one is in Brazil. Those projects are. Please look up Aclara. It's really inspirational company in many ways. They are developing projects, but they are integrating from mine all the way to the super magnets production. The uniqueness of their projects is that they're very much focused on the heavy rare earths, so it's terbium and dysprosium. Those are the most valuable of the rare earths. We are in charge of making sure that water that's used for processing is fully reused.
Speaker #6: I think, basically, put it this way: I think it's public knowledge that we are part and parcel of two projects that Aquatic Resources are advancing in South America.
David Kratochvil: Put it this way, I think it's public knowledge that we are part and parcel of two projects that Aclara Resources are advancing in South America. One is in Chile and one is in Brazil. Those projects are. Please look up Aclara. It's really inspirational company in many ways. They are developing projects, but they are integrating from mine all the way to the super magnets production. The uniqueness of their projects is that they're very much focused on the heavy rare earths, so it's terbium and dysprosium. Those are the most valuable of the rare earths. We are in charge of making sure that water that's used for processing is fully reused.
Speaker #6: One is in Chile, and one is in Brazil. Those projects are—and please look up Aquara. It's a really inspirational company in many ways. They are developing projects, but they are integrating from mine all the way to the super magnet production.
Speaker #6: And the uniqueness of their projects is that they are very much focused on the heavy rare earths. So it's terbium and dysprosium—those are the most valuable of the rare earths.
Speaker #6: We are in charge of making sure that water that's used for processing is fully reused, so there's full reuse of water. So the treatment is focused on reuse.
David Kratochvil: There's full reuse of water, so the treatment is focused on reuse, as well as making sure that tailings from the processing meet the strictest limits that are out there, including sulfate, including other impurities that would be in the pore water of the tailings produced from the metallurgical processing. At the same time, in the treatment process, we also capture some of the rare earth themselves that the metallurgical process does not recover. We recycle them back to the project. We run a fully integrated pilot, or Aclara did with us, with our team. We teamed up with them and ran a full pilot in Chile and in Brazil. Those two projects, I think, are advancing.
David Kratochvil: There's full reuse of water, so the treatment is focused on reuse, as well as making sure that tailings from the processing meet the strictest limits that are out there, including sulfate, including other impurities that would be in the pore water of the tailings produced from the metallurgical processing. At the same time, in the treatment process, we also capture some of the rare earth themselves that the metallurgical process does not recover. We recycle them back to the project. We run a fully integrated pilot, or Aclara did with us, with our team. We teamed up with them and ran a full pilot in Chile and in Brazil. Those two projects, I think, are advancing.
Speaker #6: As well as making sure that tailings from the processing meet the strictest limits that are out there, including sulfate and other impurities that would be in the pore water of the tailings produced from the metallurgical processing.
Speaker #6: And at the same time, in the process—in the treatment process—we also capture some of the rare earths themselves that the metallurgical process does not recover.
Speaker #6: So we recycle them back to the project. And we ran a full integrated pilot, or Aquara did with us, with our team. So we teamed up with them and ran a full pilot in Chile and in Brazil.
Speaker #6: So those two projects, I think, are advancing. I think Aquara announced that they're building a refinery in Louisiana for purifying those metals and separating them.
David Kratochvil: I think Aclara announced that they're building a refinery in Louisiana for purifying those metals and separating them, and most recently with CAP, a large iron producer, on actually producing from the pure metals producing super magnets. That's one. We are also, I can't disclose the name, but we are involved in a rare earth project, where we're looking in very early stage at basically doing best available technology assessment for water treatment. Our involvement is not on the recovery of these, but on making sure that these processes are environmentally acceptable and basically meet the high standards of regulatory approvals.
David Kratochvil: I think Aclara announced that they're building a refinery in Louisiana for purifying those metals and separating them, and most recently with CAP, a large iron producer, on actually producing from the pure metals producing super magnets. That's one. We are also, I can't disclose the name, but we are involved in a rare earth project, where we're looking in very early stage at basically doing best available technology assessment for water treatment. Our involvement is not on the recovery of these, but on making sure that these processes are environmentally acceptable and basically meet the high standards of regulatory approvals.
Speaker #6: And most recently, with CAP on a large iron producer, on actually producing from the pure metals—producing super magnet. So that's one. And then we're also, I can't disclose the name, but we are involved in a rare earth project where we're looking, in very early stage, at basically doing best available technology assessment for water treatment.
Speaker #6: So our involvement is not on the recovery of these, but on making sure that these processes are environmentally acceptable and basically meet the highest standards of regulatory approvals.
Speaker #5: Sounds quite exciting.
Peter Gleeson: Sounds quite exciting. I'll presume, David, for the layman out there, hard rock mining is hard rock mining. It doesn't matter if it's rare earths or
Peter Gleeson: Sounds quite exciting. I'll presume, David, for the layman out there, hard rock mining is hard rock mining. It doesn't matter if it's rare earths or
Speaker #4: And I presume, David, for the Lyman there, hard rock mining is hard rock mining. It doesn't matter if it's rare earths or—
Speaker #6: Well, that's actually a unique thing. Plus, for Aquara, they're developing ionic clays. So, unlike the hard rock, this is where I think their projects are probably the most advanced out there because the nature of ionic clays is that you literally just need to wash the metals off the clay.
David Kratochvil: Well, that's actually unique thing, a plus for Aclara, is that they're developing ionic clays. Unlike the hard rock-
David Kratochvil: Well, that's actually unique thing, a plus for Aclara, is that they're developing ionic clays. Unlike the hard rock-
Peter Gleeson: Okay
Peter Gleeson: Okay
David Kratochvil: ... this is where I think their projects are probably the most advanced out there because the nature of ionic clay is that you literally just need to wash the metals off the clay instead of hammering them. They don't need grinding, milling, acids, nothing of that sort. It's really the most environmentally friendly process, if you will, for getting rare earth.
David Kratochvil: ... this is where I think their projects are probably the most advanced out there because the nature of ionic clay is that you literally just need to wash the metals off the clay instead of hammering them. They don't need grinding, milling, acids, nothing of that sort. It's really the most environmentally friendly process, if you will, for getting rare earth.
Speaker #6: Instead of hammering them, they don't need grinding, milling, acids—nothing of that sort. So it's really the most environmentally friendly process, if you will, for getting rare earth.
Speaker #4: And, but now, on to complications by the time it gets to our end. Water is water.
Peter Gleeson: No undue complications by the time it gets to our end. Water is water.
Peter Gleeson: No undue complications by the time it gets to our end. Water is water.
Speaker #6: Yeah, but the water is basically recycled around, right? So it's really a zero liquid discharge situation. Yeah.
David Kratochvil: Yeah. The water is basically recycled around, right? It's really zero liquid discharge situation.
David Kratochvil: Yeah. The water is basically recycled around, right? It's really zero liquid discharge situation.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah. Okay, thank you. Quick.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah. Okay, thank you. Quick.
Speaker #4: Okay. Thank you, Quig.
Speaker #5: Oh, thank you.
David Kratochvil: Thank you.
Quig Tingley: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank ank you.
Peter Gleeson: Okay.
Peter Gleeson: Okay.
Speaker #3: Your next question is a follow-up from Robert Gignac with Fortera Investment Management. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question is a follow-up from Robert Gignac with Forterra Investment Management. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question is a follow-up from Robert Gignac with Forterra Investment Management. Your line is open.
Robert Gignac: Thanks for taking my call. I was just wondering how investors should be thinking about your margins going forward, given the nature of the new operations contracts that you've signed and that are going to be part of results for 2026. Should we expect that some of these come at a blended lower margin going forward? Maybe help us understand what the go forward looks like for margins. Thanks.
Robert Gignac: Thanks for taking my call. I was just wondering how investors should be thinking about your margins going forward, given the nature of the new operations contracts that you've signed and that are going to be part of results for 2026. Should we expect that some of these come at a blended lower margin going forward? Maybe help us understand what the go forward looks like for margins. Thanks.
Speaker #6: Thanks for taking my call. I was just wondering how investors should be thinking about your margins going forward, given the nature of the new operations contracts that you've signed and that are going to be part of results for 2026.
Speaker #6: Should we expect that some of these come at a blended lower margin going forward? Maybe help us understand what the go-forward looks like for margins.
Speaker #6: With the new operations in 2026, there is a blend. It's a spectrum of various margins. But together, in aggregate, it will be similar to what we had in 2025.
Heman Wong: With the new operations in 2026, there is a blend. There's a spectrum of various margins, but together in aggregate, it will be similar to what we had in 2025. Yeah.
Heman Wong: With the new operations in 2026, there is a blend. There's a spectrum of various margins, but together in aggregate, it will be similar to what we had in 2025. Yeah.
Speaker #6: Yeah.
Speaker #4: Yeah, okay, great. And just to follow up, I wanted to ask about Centera's ChemS project. They put out a more compelling PEA recently. Do you continue to have involvement with this project while it's on care and maintenance?
Robert Gignac: Okay, great. Just to follow up, I wanted to ask about Centerra's Kemess project. They put out a more compelling PEA recently. Do you continue to have involvement with this project while it's on care and maintenance? And what's the likelihood that if this project were to come back online, you would be engaged here again?
Robert Gignac: Okay, great. Just to follow up, I wanted to ask about Centerra's Kemess project. They put out a more compelling PEA recently. Do you continue to have involvement with this project while it's on care and maintenance? And what's the likelihood that if this project were to come back online, you would be engaged here again?
Speaker #4: And what's the likelihood that, if this project were to come back online, you would be engaged here again?
Speaker #6: So just to clarify, we've always had engagement and involvement since they put the project on care and maintenance. So basically, our team would go to site once a year, inspect the equipment, maintain the resin, etc.
David Kratochvil: Just to clarify, we've always had engagement and involvement since they put the project on care and maintenance. Basically, our team would go to site once a year, inspect the equipment, maintain the resin, et cetera. We've maintained that involvement under contract since it was put on care and maintenance. I think we mentioned it previously that we're in discussions with Centerra about the next steps in basically putting that treatment plant back into operation. The discussions are ongoing. Again, as part of our technical services that we will report on in Q1, we've done some work on that project specifically. Just be patient and you'll learn more. Thank you for your question.
David Kratochvil: Just to clarify, we've always had engagement and involvement since they put the project on care and maintenance. Basically, our team would go to site once a year, inspect the equipment, maintain the resin, et cetera. We've maintained that involvement under contract since it was put on care and maintenance. I think we mentioned it previously that we're in discussions with Centerra about the next steps in basically putting that treatment plant back into operation. The discussions are ongoing. Again, as part of our technical services that we will report on in Q1, we've done some work on that project specifically. Just be patient and you'll learn more. Thank you for your question.
Speaker #6: So we've maintained that involvement under contract since it was put on care and maintenance. But I think we mentioned it previously, that we're in discussions with Centera about the next steps in basically putting that treatment plant back into operation.
Speaker #6: So, the discussions are ongoing. And we again, as part of our technical services that we will report on in Q1, we've done some work on that project specifically.
Speaker #6: So just be patient and you'll learn more. But thank you for your question. Great, thank you.
Robert Gignac: Great. Thank you.
Robert Gignac: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #3: That concludes our Q&A session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Pete Gleason for closing remarks.
Operator: That concludes our Q&A session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Peter Gleeson for closing remarks.
Operator: That concludes our Q&A session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Peter Gleeson for closing remarks.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Thank you, Morgan. And thank you, everybody, for listening and everybody that joined. We really do appreciate our shareholders and the support over the years.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah. Thank you, Morgan, and thank you everybody for listening, and everybody that joined. We do appreciate our shareholders and the support over the years, and we hope to keep performing for you. If anybody didn't have a chance to ask a question or whatever, or want to dig further into what we've already answered, please feel free to email me. I'll definitely respond within 24 hours. Happy to answer anything that we can answer. Thank you very much, Morgan, and I'll hand it back to you.
Peter Gleeson: Yeah. Thank you, Morgan, and thank you everybody for listening, and everybody that joined. We do appreciate our shareholders and the support over the years, and we hope to keep performing for you. If anybody didn't have a chance to ask a question or whatever, or want to dig further into what we've already answered, please feel free to email me. I'll definitely respond within 24 hours. Happy to answer anything that we can answer. Thank you very much, Morgan, and I'll hand it back to you.
Speaker #4: And we hope to keep performing for you. If anybody didn’t have a chance to answer a question, or ask a question, or whatever, or wants to dig further into what we’ve already answered, please feel free to email me.
Speaker #4: I'll definitely respond within 24 hours, and happy to answer anything that we can answer. Thank you very much, Morgan. And I'll hand it back to you.
Operator: Thank you. That concludes the BQE Water investor call. Thank you so much for attending and have a wonderful rest of your day.
Operator: Thank you. That concludes the BQE Water investor call. Thank you so much for attending and have a wonderful rest of your day.