Q1 2026 Marriott Vacations Worldwide Corp Earnings Call
Operator: Greetings, welcome to the Marriott Vacations Worldwide Q1 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Neal Goldner, Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Operator: Greetings, welcome to the Marriott Vacations Worldwide Q1 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Neal Goldner, Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Speaker #2: If anyone wants to require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
Speaker #2: It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Neal Goldner, Vice President and Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin. Thank you and welcome to the MARIOTT VACATIONS WORLDWIDE First Quarter Earnings Conference Call.
Neal Goldner: Thank you, and welcome to the Marriott Vacations Worldwide Q1 Earnings Conference Call. I am joined today by Matthew Avril, our Chief Executive Officer, Michael Flaskey, our President and Chief Operating Officer, and Jason Marino, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I need to remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties which could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments. Forward-looking statements in the press release, as well as comments on this call, are effective only when made and will not be updated as actual events unfold. Throughout the call, we will make references to non-GAAP financial information.
Neal Goldner: Thank you, and welcome to the Marriott Vacations Worldwide Q1 Earnings Conference Call. I am joined today by Matthew Avril, our Chief Executive Officer, Michael Flaskey, our President and Chief Operating Officer, and Jason Marino, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I need to remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties which could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments. Forward-looking statements in the press release, as well as comments on this call, are effective only when made and will not be updated as actual events unfold. Throughout the call, we will make references to non-GAAP financial information.
Speaker #2: I am joined today by Matt Avril, our Chief Executive Officer, Mike Flesky, our President and Chief Operating Officer, and Jason Marino, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: I need to remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties which could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments.
Speaker #2: Forward-looking statements in the press release, as well as comments on this call, are effective only when made and will not be updated as actual events unfold.
Speaker #2: Throughout the call, we will make references to non-GAAP financial information. You can find a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures in the schedules attached to our press release and on our website.
Neal Goldner: You can find a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures in the schedules attached to our press release and on our website. With that, it is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Matt.
Neal Goldner: You can find a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures in the schedules attached to our press release and on our website. With that, it is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Matt.
Speaker #2: With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Matt.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Neal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Each quarter, I will address our prior commitments, progress made, and what lies ahead.
Matthew Avril: Thank you, Neal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Each quarter, I will address our prior commitments, progress made, and what lies ahead. Let me start this morning where we left off on our February earnings call. During that call, we laid out a clear set of priorities and how we expected the year to unfold. Our focus was on improving profitability and cash flow, accelerating growth, taking actions to lower costs, and monetizing non-core assets. We also stated that 2026 would be a H1, H2 type year. Let me begin by updating you on where we stand against those commitments. We talked about aligning our organizational structure and leadership team, reduce the scale of our Asia business, which we've done, benefiting our current year capital spend and future margins.
Matt Avril: Thank you, Neal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Each quarter, I will address our prior commitments, progress made, and what lies ahead. Let me start this morning where we left off on our February earnings call. During that call, we laid out a clear set of priorities and how we expected the year to unfold. Our focus was on improving profitability and cash flow, accelerating growth, taking actions to lower costs, and monetizing non-core assets. We also stated that 2026 would be a H1, H2 type year. Let me begin by updating you on where we stand against those commitments. We talked about aligning our organizational structure and leadership team, reduce the scale of our Asia business, which we've done, benefiting our current year capital spend and future margins.
Speaker #3: So let me start this morning where we left off on our February earnings call. During that call, we laid out a clear set of priorities and how we expected the year to unfold.
Speaker #3: Our focus was on improving profitability and cash flow, accelerating growth, taking actions to lower costs, and monetizing non-core assets. We also stated that 2026 would be a first-half, second-half type year.
Speaker #3: Let me begin by updating you on where we stand against those commitments. We talked about aligning our organizational structure and leadership team. Reduce the scale of our Asia business, which we've done, benefiting our current-year capital spend and future margins.
Speaker #3: Take actions to lower costs, monetize non-core assets, and most significantly, initiate our commitment to revenue growth and operational excellence. In the last two months, we've made demonstrable progress.
Matthew Avril: Take actions to lower costs, monetize non-core assets, and most significantly, initiate our commitment to revenue growth and operational excellence. In the last 2 months, we've made demonstrable progress. We've made significant changes across the executive team and in key leadership roles to better drive overall performance, grow revenues, EBITDA, and cash flow. In particular, the process began with hiring Mike as president and chief operating officer, and in turn, we've added experienced leaders across sales and marketing. We have also successfully added direct frontline talent in our sales galleries. The leadership decisions taken were deliberate and a priority set when I stepped in early in the year. They are already beginning to show results in the business. I undertook a full assessment of where we needed to build on the best of our company and also the need to infuse it with new experience and talents from outside.
Matt Avril: Take actions to lower costs, monetize non-core assets, and most significantly, initiate our commitment to revenue growth and operational excellence. In the last 2 months, we've made demonstrable progress. We've made significant changes across the executive team and in key leadership roles to better drive overall performance, grow revenues, EBITDA, and cash flow. In particular, the process began with hiring Mike as president and chief operating officer, and in turn, we've added experienced leaders across sales and marketing. We have also successfully added direct frontline talent in our sales galleries. The leadership decisions taken were deliberate and a priority set when I stepped in early in the year. They are already beginning to show results in the business. I undertook a full assessment of where we needed to build on the best of our company and also the need to infuse it with new experience and talents from outside.
Speaker #3: We've made significant changes across the executive team and in key leadership roles to better drive overall performance, grow revenues, EBITDA, and cash flow. In particular, the process began with hiring Mike as President and Chief Operating Officer and, in turn, we've added experienced leaders across sales and marketing.
Speaker #3: We have also successfully added direct frontline talent in our sales galleries. The leadership decisions taken were deliberate and of priority set when I stepped in early in the year.
Speaker #3: And they are already beginning to show results in the business. I undertook a full assessment of where we needed to build on the best of our company and also the need to infuse it with new experience and talents from outside.
Speaker #3: These actions are about positioning the business for more consistent performance and stronger growth over time, now and ongoing. Including the initiatives Mike will discuss shortly during the call.
Matthew Avril: These actions are about positioning the business for more consistent performance and stronger growth over time, now and ongoing, including the initiatives Mike will discuss shortly during the call. We also implemented the workforce reductions we committed to on our last call. We completed those in the middle of March. They will benefit the balance of the year and are contemplated in our guidance. We closed on the sale of the Westin Cancun hotel in January and listed additional non-core assets targeting more than $125 million gross in additional proceeds this year. We remain on track to generate $200 to 250 million from asset sales by the end of 2027. With that context, let me turn to Q1. Our Q1 was a period of significant transition.
Matt Avril: These actions are about positioning the business for more consistent performance and stronger growth over time, now and ongoing, including the initiatives Mike will discuss shortly during the call. We also implemented the workforce reductions we committed to on our last call. We completed those in the middle of March. They will benefit the balance of the year and are contemplated in our guidance. We closed on the sale of the Westin Cancun hotel in January and listed additional non-core assets targeting more than $125 million gross in additional proceeds this year. We remain on track to generate $200 to 250 million from asset sales by the end of 2027. With that context, let me turn to Q1. Our Q1 was a period of significant transition.
Speaker #3: We also implemented the Workforce Reductions we committed to on our last call, and we completed those in the middle of March. They will benefit the balance of the year and our contemplated and our guidance.
Speaker #3: We closed on the sale of the Western Cancun Hotel in January and listed additional non-core assets, targeting more than $125 million gross in additional proceeds this year.
Speaker #3: And we remain on track to generate $200 to $250 million from asset sales by the end of 2027. With that context, let me turn to the first quarter.
Speaker #3: Our first quarter was a period of significant transition. We stated in February that we expected contract sales and adjusted EBITDA to be down in the first quarter and our results were consistent with that expectation.
Matthew Avril: We stated in February that we expected contract sales and adjusted EBITDA to be down in Q1, and our results were consistent with that expectation. Adjusted EBITDA declined 16% to $161 million. Contract sales were down 2% versus last year, with VPG increasing 1%. Tours were down 3%. Owner sales increased 3% compared to the prior year, driven by a 4% lift in VPG. Marketing and sales costs increased 300 basis points year over year as a percentage of contract sales, reflecting the in-flight operating strategies from late 2025. Product costs increased 110 basis points on the same basis and was in line with our expectations. Finally, we generated $114 million of adjusted free cash flow resulting from our deliberate actions to improve our cash generation and capital discipline.
Matt Avril: We stated in February that we expected contract sales and adjusted EBITDA to be down in Q1, and our results were consistent with that expectation. Adjusted EBITDA declined 16% to $161 million. Contract sales were down 2% versus last year, with VPG increasing 1%. Tours were down 3%. Owner sales increased 3% compared to the prior year, driven by a 4% lift in VPG. Marketing and sales costs increased 300 basis points year over year as a percentage of contract sales, reflecting the in-flight operating strategies from late 2025. Product costs increased 110 basis points on the same basis and was in line with our expectations. Finally, we generated $114 million of adjusted free cash flow resulting from our deliberate actions to improve our cash generation and capital discipline.
Speaker #3: Adjusted EBITDA declined 16% to $161 million; contract sales were down 2% versus last year, with BPG increasing 1%. Tours were down 3%. Owner sales increased 3% compared to the prior year driven by a 4% lift in BPG.
Speaker #3: Marketing and sales costs increased 300 basis points year over year, as a percentage of contract sales reflecting the in-flight operating strategies from late 2025.
Speaker #3: Product costs increased 110 basis points on the same basis and was in line with our expectations. Finally, we generated $114 million of adjusted free cash flow resulting from our deliberate actions to improve our cash generation and capital discipline.
Speaker #3: Our focus remains unchanged: consistent execution, improving profitability, strong cash flow generation, disciplined capital allocation, and a clear emphasis on near-term and sustainable growth in contract sales, EBITDA, and cash flow.
Matthew Avril: Our focus remains unchanged. Consistent execution, improving profitability, strong cash flow generation, disciplined capital allocation, and a clear emphasis on near-term and sustainable growth in contract sales, EBITDA, and cash flow. Our financing and management businesses continue to generate stable, recurring, high-margin revenue and cash flow, underscoring the durability of our business model. Importantly, given the nature of our product, our owners have already purchased their future vacations. This provides a high level of visibility for our future tours that fuels our direct-to-consumer sales model and allows us to drive demand on-site. Our forward-looking indicators remain healthy. Resort occupancy is expected to be 88% to 90% in Q2 and for the full year. 96% of our expected owner utilization for Q2 is already on the books. We expect owner occupancy to increase as our new initiatives we are implementing begin to drive higher owner arrivals.
Matt Avril: Our focus remains unchanged. Consistent execution, improving profitability, strong cash flow generation, disciplined capital allocation, and a clear emphasis on near-term and sustainable growth in contract sales, EBITDA, and cash flow. Our financing and management businesses continue to generate stable, recurring, high-margin revenue and cash flow, underscoring the durability of our business model. Importantly, given the nature of our product, our owners have already purchased their future vacations. This provides a high level of visibility for our future tours that fuels our direct-to-consumer sales model and allows us to drive demand on-site. Our forward-looking indicators remain healthy. Resort occupancy is expected to be 88% to 90% in Q2 and for the full year. 96% of our expected owner utilization for Q2 is already on the books. We expect owner occupancy to increase as our new initiatives we are implementing begin to drive higher owner arrivals.
Speaker #3: Our financing and management businesses continue to generate stable, recurring, high-margin revenue and cash flow. Underscoring the durability of our business model, importantly, given the nature of our product, our owners have already purchased their future vacations.
Speaker #3: This provides a high level of visibility for our future tours that fuels our direct-to-consumer sales model and allows us to drive demand on site.
Speaker #3: Our forward-looking indicators remain healthy. Resort occupancy is expected to be 88 to 90 percent in Q2 and for the full year. 96% of our expected owner utilization for the second quarter is already on the books.
Speaker #3: We expect owner occupancy to increase as our new initiatives we are implementing begin to drive higher owner arrivals. These compelling occupancy levels reflect our strong commitment to delivering outstanding hospitality services and overall memorable vacation experiences to our owners.
Matthew Avril: These compelling occupancy levels reflect our strong commitment to delivering outstanding hospitality services and overall memorable vacation experiences to our owners. Lastly, the nature of our preview packages provides a highly predictable source of future tours, totaling approximately 110,000 for 2026 arrivals. We are confident in what is ahead. We have executed on capital discipline initiatives, taken steps on our costs and operating structure, and more recently, implemented a series of hires in sales and marketing that are already driving results. During today's call, Mike and Jason will detail these initiatives and how they are reflected in our expectations and our April contract sales results. In accepting the appointment to CEO in February of this year, it was important that I identify clear priorities and actions to be taken with respect to them.
Matt Avril: These compelling occupancy levels reflect our strong commitment to delivering outstanding hospitality services and overall memorable vacation experiences to our owners. Lastly, the nature of our preview packages provides a highly predictable source of future tours, totaling approximately 110,000 for 2026 arrivals. We are confident in what is ahead. We have executed on capital discipline initiatives, taken steps on our costs and operating structure, and more recently, implemented a series of hires in sales and marketing that are already driving results. During today's call, Mike and Jason will detail these initiatives and how they are reflected in our expectations and our April contract sales results. In accepting the appointment to CEO in February of this year, it was important that I identify clear priorities and actions to be taken with respect to them.
Speaker #3: Lastly, the nature of our preview packages provides a highly predictable source of future tours totaling approximately $110,000 for 2026 arrivals. We are confident in what is ahead.
Speaker #3: We have executed on capital discipline initiatives, taken steps on our costs and operating structure, and more recently, implemented a series of hires in sales and marketing that are already driving results.
Speaker #3: During today's call, Mike and Jason will detail these initiatives and how they are reflected in our expectations and our April contract sales results. In accepting the appointment to CEO in February of this year, it was important that I identify clear priorities and actions to be taken with respect to them.
Speaker #3: Principal among those had been the ongoing evaluation of our operating structure and personnel that started day one, when I stepped in last November. I very much believe the best companies are able to benefit from continuity and experience in their organization and, at the same time, being able to attract talent with different experiences and additive expertise to the business.
Matthew Avril: Principal among those had been the ongoing evaluation of our operating structure and personnel that started day one when I stepped in last November. I very much believe the best companies are able to benefit from continuity and experience in their organization, and at the same time, being able to attract talent with different experiences and additive expertise to the business. I have also been committed to driving improvements in our operating culture. Being able to act with speed and commitment and decisiveness is an imperative for our organization. We have dramatically improved the cadence of our decision-making. We have added talent. We are generating improved results, as you will hear more of today. It was also clear that there would be a period of transition, and that was evident in our Q1 earnings.
Matt Avril: Principal among those had been the ongoing evaluation of our operating structure and personnel that started day one when I stepped in last November. I very much believe the best companies are able to benefit from continuity and experience in their organization, and at the same time, being able to attract talent with different experiences and additive expertise to the business. I have also been committed to driving improvements in our operating culture. Being able to act with speed and commitment and decisiveness is an imperative for our organization. We have dramatically improved the cadence of our decision-making. We have added talent. We are generating improved results, as you will hear more of today. It was also clear that there would be a period of transition, and that was evident in our Q1 earnings.
Speaker #3: I have also been committed to driving improvements in our operating culture. Being able to act with speed and commitment and decisiveness is an imperative for our organization.
Speaker #3: We have dramatically improved the cadence of our decision-making. We have added talent. We are generating improved results as you will hear more of today.
Speaker #3: It was also clear that there would be a period of transition, and that was evident in our first quarter earnings. Looking forward, we are very pleased by the significant traction we are seeing in April.
Matthew Avril: Looking forward, we are very pleased by the significant traction we are seeing in April, during which our contract sales were up 8% year-over-year. We are increasing our contract sales guidance based on our recent trends and the impact of new initiatives underway. As we work through the H1 of the year, there are certain expenses being incurred as we transition to our new operating priorities, principally in sales and marketing. Accordingly, we believe it is prudent to reaffirm our existing EBITDA guidance. With respect to our future, I'm incredibly excited about what lies ahead for the company. Game-changing initiatives are underway. They are returning us to a path of revenue growth, product enhancement, energy and optimism that now exists inside our company. Momentum is an incredibly powerful force in either direction. I will say unequivocally, there is a tremendous positive momentum inside our company.
Matt Avril: Looking forward, we are very pleased by the significant traction we are seeing in April, during which our contract sales were up 8% year-over-year. We are increasing our contract sales guidance based on our recent trends and the impact of new initiatives underway. As we work through the H1 of the year, there are certain expenses being incurred as we transition to our new operating priorities, principally in sales and marketing. Accordingly, we believe it is prudent to reaffirm our existing EBITDA guidance. With respect to our future, I'm incredibly excited about what lies ahead for the company. Game-changing initiatives are underway. They are returning us to a path of revenue growth, product enhancement, energy and optimism that now exists inside our company. Momentum is an incredibly powerful force in either direction. I will say unequivocally, there is a tremendous positive momentum inside our company.
Speaker #3: During which, our contract sales were up 8% year over year. We are increasing our contract sales guidance based on our recent trends and the impact of new initiatives underway.
Speaker #3: As we work through the first half of the year, there are certain expenses being incurred as we transition to our new operating priorities: principally in sales and marketing.
Speaker #3: Accordingly, we believe it is prudent to reaffirm our existing EBITDA guidance. With respect to our future, I'm incredibly excited about what lies ahead for the company.
Speaker #3: Game-changing initiatives are underway. They are returning us to a path of revenue growth, product enhancement, energy and optimism that now exists inside our company.
Speaker #3: Momentum is an incredibly powerful force. In either direction, I will say unequivocally there is a tremendous positive momentum inside our company. People are energized and committed.
Matthew Avril: People are energized and committed. It is being built both with the infusion of new talent as well as the reinvigoration of our many associates in the workforce at Marriott Vacations Worldwide. We have long had the opportunity to represent the best brands in vacation ownership, an unbelievably loyal and broad-based customer profile. The company has long enjoyed a premier position in the industry, and we look forward to reasserting that position. With that context, I'll turn the call over to Mike.
Matt Avril: People are energized and committed. It is being built both with the infusion of new talent as well as the reinvigoration of our many associates in the workforce at Marriott Vacations Worldwide. We have long had the opportunity to represent the best brands in vacation ownership, an unbelievably loyal and broad-based customer profile. The company has long enjoyed a premier position in the industry, and we look forward to reasserting that position. With that context, I'll turn the call over to Mike.
Speaker #3: It is being built both with the infusion of new talent as well as the reinvigoration of our many associates in the workforce at Marriott Vacations Worldwide.
Speaker #3: We have long had the opportunity to represent the best brands in vacation ownership, an unbelievably loyal and broad-based customer profile. The company has long enjoyed a premier position in the industry and we look forward to reasserting that position.
Speaker #3: With that context, I'll turn the call over to Mike.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Matt. And good morning, everyone. I joined Marriott Vacations about three months ago. Since then, I have spent my time diving into the business, the team, and the opportunity in front of us.
Michael Flaskey: Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. I joined Marriott Vacations about 3 months ago. Since then, I have spent my time diving into the business, the team, and the opportunity in front of us. I've been in the field with our associates and in many of our sales centers. I've also spent time speaking with investors. What's clear to me is that we have a strong team, tremendous brands with very meaningful upside. What's encouraged me most is how much of the opportunity ahead of us is within our control, and we have already implemented several initiatives that are driving improvement. At a high level, our new operating framework is centered on improving contract sales by growing the right tour flow and strengthening our operating discipline, expanding demand from new sources, and driving incremental tours from our existing infrastructure, all while increasing average sales price.
Mike Flaskey: Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. I joined Marriott Vacations about 3 months ago. Since then, I have spent my time diving into the business, the team, and the opportunity in front of us. I've been in the field with our associates and in many of our sales centers. I've also spent time speaking with investors. What's clear to me is that we have a strong team, tremendous brands with very meaningful upside. What's encouraged me most is how much of the opportunity ahead of us is within our control, and we have already implemented several initiatives that are driving improvement. At a high level, our new operating framework is centered on improving contract sales by growing the right tour flow and strengthening our operating discipline, expanding demand from new sources, and driving incremental tours from our existing infrastructure, all while increasing average sales price.
Speaker #4: I've been in the field with our associates and in many of our sales centers. I've also spent time speaking with investors. What's clear to me is that we have a strong team tremendous brands with very meaningful upside.
Speaker #4: What's encouraged me most is how much of the opportunity ahead of us is within our control. And we have already implemented several initiatives that are driving improvement.
Speaker #4: At a high level, our new operating framework is centered on improving contract sales by growing the right tour flow and strengthening our operating discipline.
Speaker #4: Expanding demand from new sources and driving incremental tours from our existing infrastructure. All while increasing average sales price. As we look at the opportunities in front of us, we've bifurcated them into both near-term and long-term.
Michael Flaskey: As we look at the opportunities in front of us, we've bifurcated them into both near term and long term. In the near term, we have a clear focus on improving our core operations, which are already impacting our results. First, we are building a high-performance organization designed to drive revenue growth by strengthening our sales processes and talent. To achieve that, we hired a new chief sales and marketing officer with a demonstrated track record of success that I've also worked with for years, and we have several other powerful sales and marketing leaders that we have added to the team. We are also seeing a resurgence of top sales talent returning to the organization alongside exceptional new talent desiring to join us. Our transformation has the company excited, and we are seeing it across the organization.
Mike Flaskey: As we look at the opportunities in front of us, we've bifurcated them into both near term and long term. In the near term, we have a clear focus on improving our core operations, which are already impacting our results. First, we are building a high-performance organization designed to drive revenue growth by strengthening our sales processes and talent. To achieve that, we hired a new chief sales and marketing officer with a demonstrated track record of success that I've also worked with for years, and we have several other powerful sales and marketing leaders that we have added to the team. We are also seeing a resurgence of top sales talent returning to the organization alongside exceptional new talent desiring to join us. Our transformation has the company excited, and we are seeing it across the organization.
Speaker #4: In the near term, we have a clear focus on improving our core operations, which are already impacting our results. First, we are building a high-performance organization designed to drive revenue growth by strengthening our sales processes and talent.
Speaker #4: To achieve that, we hired a new chief sales and marketing officer with a demonstrated track record of success that I've also worked with for years and we have several other powerful sales and marketing leaders that we have added to the team.
Speaker #4: We are also seeing a resurgence of top sales talent returning to the organization. Alongside exceptional new talent desiring to join us. Our transformation has the company excited and we are seeing it across the organization.
Speaker #4: Second, we reorganized our sales and our field marketing organization. Positioning us to move faster and more effectively as we execute our growth initiatives. And on May 1st, we restructured our sales and marketing leadership compensation packages aligning their incentives to revenue growth and net operating income.
Michael Flaskey: Second, we reorganized our sales and our field marketing organization, positioning us to move faster and more effectively as we execute our growth initiatives. On 1 May, we restructured our sales and marketing leadership compensation packages, aligning their incentives to revenue growth and net operating income, which better aligns their compensation with the company's revenue and adjusted EBITDA performance. Third, we launched a new data-driven tour logistics initiative designed to better align tour flow with the right salesperson, improve conversion, and enhance the overall selling experience through more effective use of sales center technology. We are already seeing results from this initiative. I am very happy to report that global contract sales were up 8% in April on a year-over-year basis as Matt mentioned, powered by North America, where we were up 11%. This is very encouraging on many levels.
Mike Flaskey: Second, we reorganized our sales and our field marketing organization, positioning us to move faster and more effectively as we execute our growth initiatives. On 1 May, we restructured our sales and marketing leadership compensation packages, aligning their incentives to revenue growth and net operating income, which better aligns their compensation with the company's revenue and adjusted EBITDA performance. Third, we launched a new data-driven tour logistics initiative designed to better align tour flow with the right salesperson, improve conversion, and enhance the overall selling experience through more effective use of sales center technology. We are already seeing results from this initiative. I am very happy to report that global contract sales were up 8% in April on a year-over-year basis as Matt mentioned, powered by North America, where we were up 11%. This is very encouraging on many levels.
Speaker #4: Which better aligns their compensation with the company's revenue and adjusted EBITDA performance. Third, we launched a new data-driven tour logistics initiative designed to better align tour flow with the right salesperson.
Speaker #4: Improved conversion and enhanced the overall selling experience through more effective use of sales center technology. We are already seeing results from this initiative. I am very happy to report that Global Contract Sales were up 8% in April on a year-over-year basis as Matt mentioned.
Speaker #4: Powered by North America where we were up 11%. This is very encouraging on many levels in particular North America which is offsetting our planned reductions in Asia.
Michael Flaskey: In particular, North America, which is offsetting our planned reductions in Asia. This is a significant indicator that our strategy has taken hold. We also have several initiatives that will enable long-term sustainable growth that will meaningfully impact EBITDA in H2 of the year. For example, on 1 May, we announced changes to our owner loyalty levels, adding 2 new tiers at the high end of the Marriott program. By the end of May, we will also be introducing a new buyer incentive called Dream Vacation Packages. Through these initiatives, we expect to drive a higher close rate and more predictable and quantifiable pipeline of future tours and higher VPGs company-wide. On 22 June, we plan to launch our experiential event marketing program to be called Inner Circle.
Mike Flaskey: In particular, North America, which is offsetting our planned reductions in Asia. This is a significant indicator that our strategy has taken hold. We also have several initiatives that will enable long-term sustainable growth that will meaningfully impact EBITDA in H2 of the year. For example, on 1 May, we announced changes to our owner loyalty levels, adding 2 new tiers at the high end of the Marriott program. By the end of May, we will also be introducing a new buyer incentive called Dream Vacation Packages. Through these initiatives, we expect to drive a higher close rate and more predictable and quantifiable pipeline of future tours and higher VPGs company-wide. On 22 June, we plan to launch our experiential event marketing program to be called Inner Circle.
Speaker #4: This is a significant indicator that our strategy has taken hold. We also have several initiatives that will enable long-term, sustainable growth that will meaningfully impact EBITDA in the second half of the year.
Speaker #4: For example, on May 1st, we announced changes to our owner loyalty levels adding two new tiers at the high end of the Marriott program.
Speaker #4: By the end of May, we will also be introducing a new buyer incentive called Dream Vacation Packages. Through these initiatives, we expect to drive a higher close rate and more predictable and quantifiable pipeline of future tours and higher VPGs company-wide.
Speaker #4: And on June 22nd, we plan to launch our Experiential Event Marketing Program to be called Inner Circle. In my experience, this type of event platform has proven to drive higher quality incremental tour flow and VPG.
Michael Flaskey: In my experience, this type of event platform has proven to drive higher quality incremental tour flow and VPG while strengthening engagement across the owner's life cycle. The team that we now have introduced this concept to our industry, so we feel very confident in our ability to execute on it. Importantly, Inner Circle supports our broader lifetime value strategy by enhancing the customer journey, extending owner longevity, and creating opportunities for increased wallet share over time. Let me pause on this for just a moment and explain what this means. The totality of these three programs incentivizes our owners to return to our properties and our sales galleries in a more predictable and managed way, driving higher tours and VPGs through increased average transaction size, thereby driving higher and more profitable contract sales.
Mike Flaskey: In my experience, this type of event platform has proven to drive higher quality incremental tour flow and VPG while strengthening engagement across the owner's life cycle. The team that we now have introduced this concept to our industry, so we feel very confident in our ability to execute on it. Importantly, Inner Circle supports our broader lifetime value strategy by enhancing the customer journey, extending owner longevity, and creating opportunities for increased wallet share over time. Let me pause on this for just a moment and explain what this means. The totality of these three programs incentivizes our owners to return to our properties and our sales galleries in a more predictable and managed way, driving higher tours and VPGs through increased average transaction size, thereby driving higher and more profitable contract sales.
Speaker #4: While strengthening engagement across the owners' lifecycle and the team that we now have introduced this concept to our industry. So we feel very confident in our ability to execute on it.
Speaker #4: Importantly, Inner Circle supports our broader lifetime value strategy by enhancing the customer journey extending owner longevity and creating opportunities for increased wallet share over time.
Speaker #4: Let me pause on this for just a moment and explain what this means. The totality of these three programs incentivizes our owners to return to our properties and our sales galleries.
Speaker #4: In a more predictable and managed way, driving higher tours and VPGs through increased average transaction size thereby driving higher and more profitable contract sales.
Speaker #4: Finally, we are building a national and local partnership marketing capability to expand our reach beyond our existing databases to drive incremental tour flow. This will also allow us to grow tours through affiliations with the proven Marriott Bonvoy and World of Hyatt loyalty programs.
Michael Flaskey: Finally, we are building a national and local partnership marketing capability to expand our reach beyond our existing databases to drive incremental tour flow. This will also allow us to grow tours through affiliations with the proven Marriott Bonvoy and World of Hyatt loyalty programs. Some of these initiatives are more transformational and will take time to ramp up with meaningful benefits expected to begin later this year and into 2027. Through the launch of these new initiatives, we are focused on growing our average transaction size and VPGs. We also have a unique opportunity with our points product to create multi-week vacation packages supported by our transformed owner benefit levels and powered by our world-class brands.
Mike Flaskey: Finally, we are building a national and local partnership marketing capability to expand our reach beyond our existing databases to drive incremental tour flow. This will also allow us to grow tours through affiliations with the proven Marriott Bonvoy and World of Hyatt loyalty programs. Some of these initiatives are more transformational and will take time to ramp up with meaningful benefits expected to begin later this year and into 2027. Through the launch of these new initiatives, we are focused on growing our average transaction size and VPGs. We also have a unique opportunity with our points product to create multi-week vacation packages supported by our transformed owner benefit levels and powered by our world-class brands.
Speaker #4: Some of these initiatives are more transformational and will take time to ramp up with meaningful benefits expected to begin later this year and in to 2027.
Speaker #4: Through the launch of these new initiatives, we are focused on growing our average transaction size and VPGs. We also have a unique opportunity with our points product to create multi-week vacation packages supported by our transformed owner benefit levels and powered by our world-class brands.
Speaker #4: To support these initiatives, we are applying data-driven tour logistics to better match the right guest with the right sales executive, and upgrading our programs to create more compelling reasons for owner engagement while on vacation.
Michael Flaskey: To support these initiatives, we are applying data-driven tour logistics to better match the right guest with the right sales executive and upgrading our programs to create more compelling reasons for owner engagement while on vacation, particularly through initiatives like the Dream Vacation Packages and Inner Circle. To wrap up, to say I'm very encouraged by what I've seen so far is an understatement. We have a clear pathway to significantly improve our commercial performance in both the near term and the long term. The power of the talent that we've added to the company and the re-energized disposition of the existing team has improved operational execution across the board. Along with our new owner loyalty levels, the Dream Vacation incentive, and our Inner Circle event platform, they have us set up nicely for a predictable and sustained growth trajectory.
Mike Flaskey: To support these initiatives, we are applying data-driven tour logistics to better match the right guest with the right sales executive and upgrading our programs to create more compelling reasons for owner engagement while on vacation, particularly through initiatives like the Dream Vacation Packages and Inner Circle. To wrap up, to say I'm very encouraged by what I've seen so far is an understatement. We have a clear pathway to significantly improve our commercial performance in both the near term and the long term. The power of the talent that we've added to the company and the re-energized disposition of the existing team has improved operational execution across the board. Along with our new owner loyalty levels, the Dream Vacation incentive, and our Inner Circle event platform, they have us set up nicely for a predictable and sustained growth trajectory.
Speaker #4: Particularly through initiatives like the Dream Vacation Packages and Inner Circle. So to wrap up, to say I'm very encouraged by what I've seen so far, is an understatement.
Speaker #4: We have a clear pathway to significantly improve our commercial performance in both the near term and the long term. The power of the talent that we've added to the company and the re-energized disposition of the existing team has improved operational execution across the board.
Speaker #4: Along with our new owner loyalty levels, the Dream Vacation incentive, and our Inner Circle event platform, they have us set up nicely for a predictable and sustained growth trajectory.
Speaker #4: With that, I'll turn it over to Jason to walk through the financials and provide more detail on the quarter.
Michael Flaskey: With that, I'll turn it over to Jason to walk through the financials and provide more detail on the quarter.
Mike Flaskey: With that, I'll turn it over to Jason to walk through the financials and provide more detail on the quarter.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Mike. This morning, I'll walk through our first quarter results then touch on the balance sheet, cash flow, and our outlook for the year.
Jason Marino: Thank you, Mike. This morning, I'll walk through our Q1 results, then touch on the balance sheet, cash flow, and our outlook for the year. Q1 contract sales declined 2% year over year to $411 million. Owner sales increased 3%, offset by lower sales to first-time buyers. Tours declined by 3%, driven primarily by our planned actions in Asia-Pacific, which was restructured at the end of January to improve profitability and cash flow, as well as our decision to reduce tours to consumers with FICO scores below 640 starting last year. Excluding Asia-Pacific, contract sales declined 1%. Development profit declined $24 million year over year to $55 million due to lower contract sales, lower reportability, and higher product cost, all of which were in line with our expectations.
Jason Marino: Thank you, Mike. This morning, I'll walk through our Q1 results, then touch on the balance sheet, cash flow, and our outlook for the year. Q1 contract sales declined 2% year over year to $411 million. Owner sales increased 3%, offset by lower sales to first-time buyers. Tours declined by 3%, driven primarily by our planned actions in Asia-Pacific, which was restructured at the end of January to improve profitability and cash flow, as well as our decision to reduce tours to consumers with FICO scores below 640 starting last year. Excluding Asia-Pacific, contract sales declined 1%. Development profit declined $24 million year over year to $55 million due to lower contract sales, lower reportability, and higher product cost, all of which were in line with our expectations.
Speaker #1: First quarter contract sales declined 2% year over year to $411 million. Owner sales increased 3% offset by lower sales the first-time buyers. Tours declined by 3% driven primarily by our planned actions in Asia which was restructured at the end of January to improve profitability and cash flow as well as our decision to reduce tours to consumers with FICO scores below 640 starting last year.
Speaker #1: Excluding Asia Pacific, contract sales declined 1%. Development profit declined 24 million dollars year over year to 55 million dollars due to lower contract sales lower reportability and higher product cost all of which were in line with our expectations.
Speaker #1: In addition, marketing and sales costs increased year over year primarily due to increased training costs and higher salaries which are being addressed with the initiatives Mike mentioned.
Jason Marino: In addition, marketing and sales costs increased year over year, primarily due to increased training costs and higher salaries, which are being addressed with the initiatives Mike mentioned. Sales reserve was 12.3% of contract sales in the quarter, lower than Q4. 120-day delinquencies were up 17 basis points compared to the prior year and were down 45 basis points compared to 2024 levels. Defaults were unchanged from prior year, and our rigorous reserve process continues to indicate that we are adequately reserved given our overall loan performance. Importantly, our more recent 2025 receivable originations are performing in line with our expectations, giving us further confidence in our reserve. As expected, rental profit declined $10 million year over year due to higher inventory levels and associated unsold maintenance fees.
Jason Marino: In addition, marketing and sales costs increased year over year, primarily due to increased training costs and higher salaries, which are being addressed with the initiatives Mike mentioned. Sales reserve was 12.3% of contract sales in the quarter, lower than Q4. 120-day delinquencies were up 17 basis points compared to the prior year and were down 45 basis points compared to 2024 levels. Defaults were unchanged from prior year, and our rigorous reserve process continues to indicate that we are adequately reserved given our overall loan performance. Importantly, our more recent 2025 receivable originations are performing in line with our expectations, giving us further confidence in our reserve. As expected, rental profit declined $10 million year over year due to higher inventory levels and associated unsold maintenance fees.
Speaker #1: Sales reserve was 12.3% of contract sales in the quarter lower than Q4. 120-day delinquencies were up 17 basis points compared to the prior year and were down 45 basis points compared to 2024 levels.
Speaker #1: Defaults were unchanged from prior year and our rigorous reserve process continues to indicate that we are adequately reserved given our overall loan performance. Importantly, our more recent 2025 receivable originations are performing in line with our expectations giving us further confidence in our reserve.
Speaker #1: As expected, rental profit declined 10 million dollars year over year due to higher inventory levels and associated unsold maintenance fees. Management and exchange profit declined 2 million dollars largely attributable to lower profit at Aqua Aston.
Jason Marino: Management and exchange profit declined $2 million, largely attributable to lower profit at Aqua-Aston Hospitality. Finally, excluding the change in the presentation of interest expense in our warehouse credit facility, financing profit increased $2 million. As a result, adjusted EBITDA declined 16% year over year to $161 million and adjusted EBITDA margin declined 370 basis points to 19%. Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the quarter with $3.3 billion of net corporate debt and leverage of approximately 4.2x. From a maturity perspective, we are well-positioned with no corporate debt maturities until December 2027, providing us with meaningful financial flexibility.
Jason Marino: Management and exchange profit declined $2 million, largely attributable to lower profit at Aqua-Aston Hospitality. Finally, excluding the change in the presentation of interest expense in our warehouse credit facility, financing profit increased $2 million. As a result, adjusted EBITDA declined 16% year over year to $161 million and adjusted EBITDA margin declined 370 basis points to 19%. Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the quarter with $3.3 billion of net corporate debt and leverage of approximately 4.2x. From a maturity perspective, we are well-positioned with no corporate debt maturities until December 2027, providing us with meaningful financial flexibility.
Speaker #1: Finally, excluding the change in the presentation of interest expense and our warehouse credit facility financing profit increased 2 million dollars. As a result, adjusted EBITDA declined 16% year over year to 161 million dollars and adjusted EBITDA margin declined 370 basis points to 19%.
Speaker #1: Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the quarter with $3.3 billion of net corporate debt and leverage of approximately 4.2 times. From a maturity perspective, we are well positioned with no corporate debt maturities until December 2027, providing us with meaningful financial flexibility.
Speaker #1: Our adjusted free cash flow was 114 million dollars in the quarter and increase of 74 million dollars over last year driven by lower inventory and capital spending as well as the 50 million dollars of proceeds we received from the sale of the Weston Cancun.
Jason Marino: Our adjusted free cash flow was $114 million in the quarter, an increase of $74 million over last year. Driven by lower inventory and capital spending, as well as the $50 million of proceeds we received from the sale of the Westin Cancun. In April, in the midst of market volatility and increasing uncertainty, we completed our first securitization of the year, raising $460 million at a blended interest rate of 4.86% and an advance rate of 98%, further strengthening our liquidity and demonstrating continued access to the ABS market. Before turning to guidance, I want to briefly address capital allocation. We remain focused on reducing leverage over time while continuing to return capital to shareholders.
Jason Marino: Our adjusted free cash flow was $114 million in the quarter, an increase of $74 million over last year. Driven by lower inventory and capital spending, as well as the $50 million of proceeds we received from the sale of the Westin Cancun. In April, in the midst of market volatility and increasing uncertainty, we completed our first securitization of the year, raising $460 million at a blended interest rate of 4.86% and an advance rate of 98%, further strengthening our liquidity and demonstrating continued access to the ABS market. Before turning to guidance, I want to briefly address capital allocation. We remain focused on reducing leverage over time while continuing to return capital to shareholders.
Speaker #1: In April, in the midst of market volatility and increasing uncertainty, we completed our first securitization of the year raising 460 million dollars at a blended interest rate of 4.86% and an advance rate of 98%.
Speaker #1: Further strengthening our liquidity and demonstrating continued access to the ABS market. Before turning to guidance, I want to briefly address capital allocation. We remain focused on reducing leverage over time while continuing to return capital to shareholders.
Speaker #1: As cash flow from operations and disposition proceeds materialize, we will balance debt reduction, dividends, and opportunistic share repurchases within a framework to reach leverage levels below four times.
Jason Marino: As cash flow from operations and disposition proceeds materialize, we will balance debt reduction, dividends, and opportunistic share repurchases within a framework to reach leverage levels below 4 times. Turning to guidance, we now expect contract sales to increase 3% to 7%, which is above our original guidance, driven by the new revenue initiatives Mike discussed. We expect tourists to decline in the 1% to 3% range this year, driven by the intentional reduction in Asia, and for VPG to increase in the mid to high single digits. As we highlighted in our press release this morning, we are reaffirming our EBITDA guidance for the year, reflecting our higher contract sales and higher operating expenses over the short term to support these new initiatives.
Jason Marino: As cash flow from operations and disposition proceeds materialize, we will balance debt reduction, dividends, and opportunistic share repurchases within a framework to reach leverage levels below 4 times. Turning to guidance, we now expect contract sales to increase 3% to 7%, which is above our original guidance, driven by the new revenue initiatives Mike discussed. We expect tourists to decline in the 1% to 3% range this year, driven by the intentional reduction in Asia, and for VPG to increase in the mid to high single digits. As we highlighted in our press release this morning, we are reaffirming our EBITDA guidance for the year, reflecting our higher contract sales and higher operating expenses over the short term to support these new initiatives.
Speaker #1: Turning to guidance, we now expect contract sales to increase three to seven percent which is above our original guidance driven by the new revenue initiatives Mike discussed.
Speaker #1: We expect tours to decline in the one to three percent range this year driven by the intentional reduction in Asia and for VPG to increase in the mid to high single digits.
Speaker #1: As we highlighted in our press release this morning, we are reaffirming our EBITDA guidance for the year reflecting our higher contract sales and higher operating expenses over the short term to support these new initiatives.
Speaker #1: We expect our operating expenses as a percent of revenue to decline sequentially over the balance of the year as we leverage growth in our revenues.
Jason Marino: We expect our operating expenses as a percent of revenue to decline sequentially over the balance of the year as we leverage growth in our revenues. In terms of quarterly cadence, contract sales and adjusted EBITDA growth remains weighted toward H2 of the year as new revenue initiatives ramp, with our first Inner Circle events targeted for later this quarter. For Q2, we expect contract sales to be up 4% to 8% year-over-year as our new revenue initiatives start to work through the system and adjusted EBITDA to be $187 to 202 million. Finally, our expectations for management and exchange profit, rental profit, and G&A are largely unchanged from our previous guidance.
Jason Marino: We expect our operating expenses as a percent of revenue to decline sequentially over the balance of the year as we leverage growth in our revenues. In terms of quarterly cadence, contract sales and adjusted EBITDA growth remains weighted toward H2 of the year as new revenue initiatives ramp, with our first Inner Circle events targeted for later this quarter. For Q2, we expect contract sales to be up 4% to 8% year-over-year as our new revenue initiatives start to work through the system and adjusted EBITDA to be $187 to 202 million. Finally, our expectations for management and exchange profit, rental profit, and G&A are largely unchanged from our previous guidance.
Speaker #1: In terms of quarterly cadence, contract sales and adjusted EBITDA growth remains weighted toward the second half of the year as new revenue initiatives ramp with our first Inner Circle events targeted for later this quarter.
Speaker #1: For the second quarter, we expect contract sales to be up four to eight percent year over year as our new revenue initiatives start to work through the system and adjusted EBITDA to be 187 to 202 million.
Speaker #1: Finally, our expectations for management and exchange profit, rental profit, and GNA are largely unchanged from our previous guidance. From a cash flow perspective, we continue to expect adjusted free cash flow for the full year to be between 375 million and 425 million compared to 145 million dollars last year.
Jason Marino: From a cash flow perspective, we continue to expect adjusted free cash flow for the full year to be between $375 million and $425 million compared to $145 million last year. We expect free cash flow conversion this year to be in the mid 50% range. We continue to make good progress on our non-core asset dispositions, listing multiple assets that we expect to generate more than $125 million of proceeds this year on our way to disposing $200 to $250 million in total by the end of 2027. Any proceeds from these sales will be excluded from our adjusted free cash flow. As I wrap up our prepared remarks, I couldn't be more optimistic about MVW's long-term future.
Jason Marino: From a cash flow perspective, we continue to expect adjusted free cash flow for the full year to be between $375 million and $425 million compared to $145 million last year. We expect free cash flow conversion this year to be in the mid 50% range. We continue to make good progress on our non-core asset dispositions, listing multiple assets that we expect to generate more than $125 million of proceeds this year on our way to disposing $200 to $250 million in total by the end of 2027. Any proceeds from these sales will be excluded from our adjusted free cash flow. As I wrap up our prepared remarks, I couldn't be more optimistic about MVW's long-term future.
Speaker #1: And we expect free cash flow conversion this year to be in the mid 50% range. We continue to make good progress on our non-core asset dispositions listing multiple assets that we expect to generate more than 125 million dollars of proceeds this year on our way to disposing 200 to 250 million dollars in total by the end of 2027.
Speaker #1: Any proceeds from these sales will be excluded from our adjusted free cash flow. As I wrap up our prepared remarks, I couldn't be more optimistic about MVW's long-term future.
Speaker #1: The organization is energized by a new leadership team, our April sales results, the launch of new programs, and a culture of accountability. The transition to EBITDA and profitability growth is beginning.
Jason Marino: The organization is energized by a new leadership team, our April sales results, the launch of new programs, and culture of accountability. The transition to EBITDA and profitability growth is beginning. Our momentum is increasing, and we look forward to H2. With that, we will be happy to answer your questions. Operator?
Jason Marino: The organization is energized by a new leadership team, our April sales results, the launch of new programs, and culture of accountability. The transition to EBITDA and profitability growth is beginning. Our momentum is increasing, and we look forward to H2. With that, we will be happy to answer your questions. Operator?
Speaker #1: Our momentum has increasing and we look forward to the second half. With that, we will be happy to answer your questions. Operator, thank you.
Operator: Thank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. One moment while we poll for our first question. Our first question comes from David Katz with Jefferies. Please proceed.
Operator: Thank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. One moment while we poll for our first question. Our first question comes from David Katz with Jefferies. Please proceed.
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David Katz: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I feel like, quite frankly, I have about 10 questions. What I'd like to just get from, you know, from the team is really just kind of a big picture, you know, perspective on how confident are you versus where you were a few months ago when we first started talking about this, you know, in the long-term earnings power. I think that's been sort of made clear by the incentives, you know, that you've laid out, not just near term, but longer term. What has to go right for you to achieve that long term, you know, big picture earnings power?
Speaker #2: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I feel like quite frankly I have about 10 questions but what I'd like to just get from the team is really just kind of a big picture perspective on how confident are you versus where you were a few months ago when we first started talking about this?
David Katz: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I feel like, quite frankly, I have about 10 questions. What I'd like to just get from, you know, from the team is really just kind of a big picture, you know, perspective on how confident are you versus where you were a few months ago when we first started talking about this, you know, in the long-term earnings power. I think that's been sort of made clear by the incentives, you know, that you've laid out, not just near term, but longer term. What has to go right for you to achieve that long term, you know, big picture earnings power?
Speaker #2: In the long-term earnings power, I think that's been sort of made clear by the incentives that you've laid out, not just near term but longer term.
Speaker #2: And what has to go right for you to achieve that long-term big picture earnings power?
Speaker #3: Good morning, David. It's Matt. Thanks for the question and for joining us. I think the simple direct answer is we have to continue to enhance the experiential value proposition to our owners drive their engagement rooted in our guidance for the rest of the year and things we're already seeing is lifting our tour flow opportunities with our owners at our properties.
Matthew Avril: Good morning, David. It's Matt. Thanks for the question and for joining us. I think the simple, direct answer is, we have to continue to enhance the experiential value proposition to our owners, drive their engagement, rooted in our guidance for the rest of the year. Things we're already seeing is lifting our tour flow opportunities with our owners at our properties. We have tremendous occupancy levels, and there is a lot of runway for us to do that. Secondly, as I said at the beginning of my remarks today, in any situation, from my perspective, like the one when I stepped in, is you assess who, and then you go assess what.
Matt Avril: Good morning, David. It's Matt. Thanks for the question and for joining us. I think the simple, direct answer is, we have to continue to enhance the experiential value proposition to our owners, drive their engagement, rooted in our guidance for the rest of the year. Things we're already seeing is lifting our tour flow opportunities with our owners at our properties. We have tremendous occupancy levels, and there is a lot of runway for us to do that. Secondly, as I said at the beginning of my remarks today, in any situation, from my perspective, like the one when I stepped in, is you assess who, and then you go assess what.
Speaker #3: We have tremendous occupancy levels, and there is a lot of runway for us to do that. Secondly, as I said at the beginning of my remarks today, in any situation, from my perspective, like the one when I stepped in, you assess who, and then you go assess what.
Jason Marino: I will tell you that we are, from my personal perspective, well ahead of where I could have hoped we would be, a little over two months ago, stepping in, and taking on the role in a more permanent way.
Speaker #3: I will tell you that we were, we are, from my personal perspective, well ahead of where I could have hoped we would be a little over two months ago. Stepping in and taking on the role in a more permanent way, we needed to have an infusion of talent, expertise, and blending that into a terrific in-place workforce in order to accelerate how we put things into play in the field in our business.
Matt Avril: I will tell you that we are, from my personal perspective, well ahead of where I could have hoped we would be, a little over two months ago, stepping in, and taking on the role in a more permanent way.
Michael Flaskey: We needed to have an infusion of talent, expertise, and blending that into a terrific in-place workforce in order to accelerate how we put things into play in the field in our business. As we've alluded to see that take place in the way that it already has in April has been really gratifying and probably faster than I could've expected during that period of time. In terms of how you sustain that over time, there is sort of that inherent flywheel, which is as we build and create more value, experientially in particular for our owners, give them more reason for us to have more share of wallet for their travel and their vacation. It's the nature of the product that our best customers do travel and travel more, and we're committed to earning more of that share of wallet.
Matt Avril: We needed to have an infusion of talent, expertise, and blending that into a terrific in-place workforce in order to accelerate how we put things into play in the field in our business. As we've alluded to see that take place in the way that it already has in April has been really gratifying and probably faster than I could've expected during that period of time. In terms of how you sustain that over time, there is sort of that inherent flywheel, which is as we build and create more value, experientially in particular for our owners, give them more reason for us to have more share of wallet for their travel and their vacation. It's the nature of the product that our best customers do travel and travel more, and we're committed to earning more of that share of wallet.
Speaker #3: And as we've alluded to, to see that take place in the way that it already has in April has been really gratifying and probably faster than I could have expected during that period of time.
Speaker #3: And then in terms of how you sustain that over time, there is sort of that inherent flywheel. Which is as we build and create more value experientially in particular for our owners give them more reason for us to have more share of wallet for their travel and their vacation.
Speaker #3: It's the nature of the product that our best customers do travel and travel more. And we're committed to earning more of that share of wallet.
Speaker #3: And then over time, we'll continue to add new owners to the top of the funnel as well. So the team has been assembled and is being assembled each and every day.
Michael Flaskey: Over time, we'll continue to add new owners to the top of the funnel as well. The team has been assembled and is being assembled each and every day. We've been in very good shape on the team. The initiatives to add attractiveness to owning the product and experiencing it, so that's the big picture that I would provide.
Matt Avril: Over time, we'll continue to add new owners to the top of the funnel as well. The team has been assembled and is being assembled each and every day. We've been in very good shape on the team. The initiatives to add attractiveness to owning the product and experiencing it, so that's the big picture that I would provide.
Speaker #3: So we've been in very good shape on the team. The initiatives to add and attractiveness to owning the product and experiencing it. So that's the big picture that I would provide.
Speaker #2: Appreciate it. And one just very quick follow-up since the street is hyper-focused on this and we always need something to worry about. Is there anything noteworthy with respect to loan loss or delinquencies and it may be difficult to tell at this stage in the turnaround but just checking in.
David Katz: Appreciate it. Just a very quick follow-up. Since the street is hyper-focused on this, and it's, you know, we always need something to worry about, is there anything, you know, noteworthy with respect to loan loss or delinquencies? It may be difficult to tell at this stage in the turnaround, but just checking in. Thanks.
David Katz: Appreciate it. Just a very quick follow-up. Since the street is hyper-focused on this, and it's, you know, we always need something to worry about, is there anything, you know, noteworthy with respect to loan loss or delinquencies? It may be difficult to tell at this stage in the turnaround, but just checking in. Thanks.
Speaker #2: Thanks.
Speaker #3: Yeah, David, this is Jason. Thanks for the question. Yeah, at this point, we feel really good about where the portfolio is. We ran through a bunch of metrics on the call.
Jason Marino: Yeah, David, this is Jason. Thanks for the question. Yeah, at this point, we feel really good about where the portfolio is. We ran through a bunch of metrics on the call in our prepared remarks. We feel really good with our process and what we are seeing, especially as it relates to the near-term delinquencies, which are the majority of the book in terms of the nearer-term vintages. Sorry. We feel good.
Jason Marino: Yeah, David, this is Jason. Thanks for the question. Yeah, at this point, we feel really good about where the portfolio is. We ran through a bunch of metrics on the call in our prepared remarks. We feel really good with our process and what we are seeing, especially as it relates to the near-term delinquencies, which are the majority of the book in terms of the nearer-term vintages. Sorry. We feel good.
Speaker #3: In our prepared remarks, and we feel really good with our process and what we're seeing, especially as it relates to the near-term delinquencies, which are the majority of the book in terms of the nearer-term vintages.
Speaker #3: Sorry. And so we feel good.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
David Katz: Thank you.
David Katz: Thank you.
Speaker #1: The next question comes from Package Shoals with Truist Securities. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Please proceed.
Speaker #2: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Question for you regarding expectations for development profit. I believe on the prior earnings call, you had expected development profit for the year to be up.
Patrick Scholes: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Question for you regarding expectations for development profit. I believe on the prior earnings call you had expected development profit for the year to be up. It was down quite a bit in Q1. In light of that, do you still expect it to be up for the full year? Thank you.
Patrick Scholes: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Question for you regarding expectations for development profit. I believe on the prior earnings call you had expected development profit for the year to be up. It was down quite a bit in Q1. In light of that, do you still expect it to be up for the full year? Thank you.
Speaker #2: It was down quite a bit in Q1. Is your in light of that, do you still expect it to be up for the full year?
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Yeah, Patrick. This is Jason. So that's right. As we move through the year, we expect our development profit will grow as we based on the implied guidance that we've given.
Jason Marino: Yeah, Patrick, this is Jason. That's right. As we move through the year, we expect our development profit will grow as we, you know, based on the implied guidance that we've given. That is the big growth driver in our business. That's what Mike is driving throughout. With the higher contract sales, we expect product costs similar to the guidance we gave on the last call. We'll be up a bit year over year, but consistent with where we were in Q1. As we go through the year, we'll continue to leverage our marketing and sales costs and drive higher development profit as we move through the year. That is our expectation.
Jason Marino: Yeah, Patrick, this is Jason. That's right. As we move through the year, we expect our development profit will grow as we, you know, based on the implied guidance that we've given. That is the big growth driver in our business. That's what Mike is driving throughout. With the higher contract sales, we expect product costs similar to the guidance we gave on the last call. We'll be up a bit year over year, but consistent with where we were in Q1. As we go through the year, we'll continue to leverage our marketing and sales costs and drive higher development profit as we move through the year. That is our expectation.
Speaker #3: That is the big growth driver in our business. That's what Mike is driving throughout with the higher contract sales. We expect product costs similar to the guidance we gave on the last call will be up a bit year over year but consistent with where we were in Q1.
Speaker #3: And then as we go through the year, we'll continue to leverage our marketing and sales costs and drive higher development profit as we move through the year.
Speaker #3: So that is our expectation.
Speaker #2: Okay. That's all for me this morning. Thank you.
Patrick Scholes: Okay. That's all for me this morning. Thank you.
Patrick Scholes: Okay. That's all for me this morning. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Patrick.
Jason Marino: Thanks, Patrick.
Jason Marino: Thanks, Patrick.
Operator: The next question comes from Ben Chaiken with Mizuho. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Ben Chaiken with Mizuho. Please proceed.
Speaker #1: The next question comes from Ben Chakin with Mizuhu. Please proceed.
Speaker #4: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. Would love to hear about some of the changes in sales and marketing, specifically on the event side. I think, Mike, you kind of suggested it actually doesn't start—doesn't launch—until later this summer.
Ben Chaiken: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. Would love to hear about some of the changes in sales and marketing, specifically on the, on the event side. I think, Mike, you kind of suggested it actually doesn't launch until later this summer. Is that correct? Anything you can share here would be helpful. Is it fair to say that the contract sales acceleration you've seen has not even kind of like touched that event/Inner Circle side? I guess the implication being that it's all related to changes in sales personnel, and I guess I'm kind of alluding to the success in April. One follow-up. Thanks.
Ben Chaiken: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. Would love to hear about some of the changes in sales and marketing, specifically on the, on the event side. I think, Mike, you kind of suggested it actually doesn't launch until later this summer. Is that correct? Anything you can share here would be helpful. Is it fair to say that the contract sales acceleration you've seen has not even kind of like touched that event/Inner Circle side? I guess the implication being that it's all related to changes in sales personnel, and I guess I'm kind of alluding to the success in April. One follow-up. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Is that correct? And then anything you can share here would be helpful. And then is it fair to say that the contract sales acceleration you've seen has not even kind of touched that event/inner circle side?
Speaker #4: I guess the implication being that it's all related to changes in sales personnel. And I guess I'm kind of alluding to the success in April.
Speaker #4: And then one follow-up. Thanks.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Thanks, Ben. So look, from April's standpoint, if you think about it, we need to be great at what we're supposed to be great at.
Michael Flaskey: Yeah. Thanks, Ben. Look, from April's standpoint, if you think about it, we need to be great at what we're supposed to be great at. What you saw and what Matt alluded to and I alluded to in the prepared remarks about our contract sales growth in April was from doing just that, fundamentally going in and being better at operating the business. To use an analogy like a sports team, you know, we had to eliminate the penalties. We had to get in shape to play the Q4. We had to do the basic fundamentals to win a few more games, which is what you saw.
Mike Flaskey: Yeah. Thanks, Ben. Look, from April's standpoint, if you think about it, we need to be great at what we're supposed to be great at. What you saw and what Matt alluded to and I alluded to in the prepared remarks about our contract sales growth in April was from doing just that, fundamentally going in and being better at operating the business. To use an analogy like a sports team, you know, we had to eliminate the penalties. We had to get in shape to play the Q4. We had to do the basic fundamentals to win a few more games, which is what you saw.
Speaker #3: And what you saw and what Matt alluded to and I alluded to in the prepared remarks about our contract sales growth in April was from doing just that.
Speaker #3: Fundamentally going in and being better at operating the business. To use an analogy, like a sports team, we had to eliminate the penalties. We had to get in shape to play the fourth quarter.
Speaker #3: We had to do the basic fundamentals to win a few more games, which is what you saw. Now, as we start introducing the things that we talked about, like the new loyalty levels May 1st, the dream vacation incentives towards the end of the month, and then specifically your question, inner circle coming in June, we should really see that just turbocharge the momentum that we've already built.
Michael Flaskey: As we start introducing the things that we talked about, like the new loyalty levels 1 May, the Dream Vacation incentives towards the end of the month, and then specifically your question, Inner Circle coming in June, we should really see that just turbocharge the momentum that we've already built. As you know, and as you've written about, you know, we know the event business, and we know it very well. The team that's here created the event business for the entire industry, and we've never had brands like this to power it. It's incredibly exciting, not only to our first customer, which is our sales and marketing executives, but it's also going to be a big hit with the owners.
Mike Flaskey: As we start introducing the things that we talked about, like the new loyalty levels 1 May, the Dream Vacation incentives towards the end of the month, and then specifically your question, Inner Circle coming in June, we should really see that just turbocharge the momentum that we've already built. As you know, and as you've written about, you know, we know the event business, and we know it very well. The team that's here created the event business for the entire industry, and we've never had brands like this to power it. It's incredibly exciting, not only to our first customer, which is our sales and marketing executives, but it's also going to be a big hit with the owners.
Speaker #3: As you know and as you've written about, we're we know the event business. And we know it very well. And the team that's here created the event business for the entire industry.
Speaker #3: And we've never had brands like this to power it. So it's incredibly exciting not only to our first customer, which is our sales and marketing executives, but it's also going to be a big hit with the owners.
Speaker #4: Okay. That's helpful. And then I guess on the contract sales guidance, this is maybe a multi-parter, but I guess A, how much did you bet, and I guess we can all we have some implication because or some inference could you give us April, but how much did you bake in for these for inner circle specifically in broad strokes without getting too hyper-specific?
Ben Chaiken: Okay. That's helpful. I guess on the contract sales guidance, this is maybe a multi-parter, but I guess, A, how much did you, and I guess we have some implication or some, you know, inference because you gave us April. How much did you bake in for these, for Inner Circle specifically in broad strokes without getting, like, too hyper-specific? Question two would be, how did you think about the change in contract sales guide and no change in EBITDA? Could you maybe just help us out a little bit? Was there something on the cost side that you're assuming that's different than prior, or is it just some conservatism?
Ben Chaiken: Okay. That's helpful. I guess on the contract sales guidance, this is maybe a multi-parter, but I guess, A, how much did you, and I guess we have some implication or some, you know, inference because you gave us April. How much did you bake in for these, for Inner Circle specifically in broad strokes without getting, like, too hyper-specific? Question two would be, how did you think about the change in contract sales guide and no change in EBITDA? Could you maybe just help us out a little bit? Was there something on the cost side that you're assuming that's different than prior, or is it just some conservatism?
Speaker #4: And then question two would be, how did you think about the change in contract sales guide and no change in EBITDA? Could you maybe just help us out a little bit on the was there something on the cost side that you're assuming that's different than prior, or is it just some conservatism?
Speaker #4: I know in the prepared remarks you mentioned some sales some higher sales and marketing expense. If we could just open that up a little bit, I think it'd be very helpful.
Ben Chaiken: I know in the prepared remarks you mentioned, you know, some higher sales and marketing expense. If we could just open that up a little bit, I think it'd be very helpful. Thanks.
Ben Chaiken: I know in the prepared remarks you mentioned, you know, some higher sales and marketing expense. If we could just open that up a little bit, I think it'd be very helpful. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Thanks.
Speaker #3: A bad. And this is Matt. Thanks again for the questions. I'll sort of do it in reverse order. From a guidance perspective, you're right.
Matthew Avril: Hey, Ben, this is Matt. Thanks again for the questions. I'll sort of do it in reverse order. From a guidance perspective, you're right. In my prepared comments, I talked about sort of the word prudent. We clearly have terrific momentum, and we've got great traction, raising the guidance level. I acknowledged both some of the transition costs that we're already absorbing relative to Q1's performance. Some transition costs as we have brought on the new teams and launching the events platform, the Dream Vacation Packages, and the owner benefit levels. There's a lot of internal work that has gotten done at an accelerated rate to support those rollouts.
Matt Avril: Hey, Ben, this is Matt. Thanks again for the questions. I'll sort of do it in reverse order. From a guidance perspective, you're right. In my prepared comments, I talked about sort of the word prudent. We clearly have terrific momentum, and we've got great traction, raising the guidance level. I acknowledged both some of the transition costs that we're already absorbing relative to Q1's performance. Some transition costs as we have brought on the new teams and launching the events platform, the Dream Vacation Packages, and the owner benefit levels. There's a lot of internal work that has gotten done at an accelerated rate to support those rollouts.
Speaker #3: In my prepared comments, I talked about sort of the word prudent. We clearly have terrific momentum and we've got great traction raising the guidance level.
Speaker #3: I acknowledged both some of the transition costs that were already absorbing relative to the first quarter's performance. Some transition costs as we have brought on the new teams and launching the events platform, the dream vacations, and the owner benefit levels.
Speaker #3: There's a lot of internal work that has gotten done at an accelerated rate to support those rollouts. So I think our guidance being in the range simply reflects that dynamic to the degree it ultimately may turn out to be conservative.
Matthew Avril: I think our guidance being in the range simply reflects that dynamic to the degree it ultimately may turn out to be conservative. I'll tell you, we're very focused on delivering actual. The decision on guidance was simply balancing the what we would acknowledge is the more recent trend, but the enthusiasm and optimism and the visibility we have to what's coming on the revenue side, and we're gonna work really hard on the cost side to maximize that flow-through. It was a bit of balancing those two competing forces, if you will. Your other question, Ben, on the front end, please remind me.
Matt Avril: I think our guidance being in the range simply reflects that dynamic to the degree it ultimately may turn out to be conservative. I'll tell you, we're very focused on delivering actual. The decision on guidance was simply balancing the what we would acknowledge is the more recent trend, but the enthusiasm and optimism and the visibility we have to what's coming on the revenue side, and we're gonna work really hard on the cost side to maximize that flow-through. It was a bit of balancing those two competing forces, if you will. Your other question, Ben, on the front end, please remind me.
Speaker #3: I'll tell you, we're very focused on delivering actuals, and the decision on guidance was simply balancing what we would acknowledge as the more recent trend.
Speaker #3: But the enthusiasm and optimism and the visibility we have to what's coming on the revenue side and we're going to work really hard on the cost side to maximize that flow-through.
Speaker #3: So it was a bit of balancing those two competing forces, if you will. And your other question, Ben, on the front end, please remind me.
Speaker #4: Yeah. It was basically just how did you think about obviously, there's been some acceleration in contract sales from the start of the year. How did you but then how did you kind of balance that versus layering in the inner circle dynamic?
Ben Chaiken: Yeah. It was basically just how did you think about Obviously, there's been some acceleration in contract sales from the start of the year?
Ben Chaiken: Yeah. It was basically just how did you think about Obviously, there's been some acceleration in contract sales from the start of the year?
Matthew Avril: Sure.
Matt Avril: Sure.
Ben Chaiken: How did you kind of, like, balance that versus layering in the Inner Circle dynamic? I don't know, I don't know to the extent how much that actually contributes to 2026. Maybe it's a back half. Maybe it's in H2.
Ben Chaiken: How did you kind of, like, balance that versus layering in the Inner Circle dynamic? I don't know, I don't know to the extent how much that actually contributes to 2026. Maybe it's a back half. Maybe it's in H2.
Speaker #4: I don't know to the extent how much that actually contributes to '26. Maybe it's a back half. Maybe it's '27. That's part of the call.
Matthew Avril: Yeah. No, I.
Matt Avril: Yeah. No, I.
Ben Chaiken: That's kind of the color.
Ben Chaiken: That's kind of the color.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Fair question. Yeah. Fair question, Ben. We feel like we've got a number of factors and certainly events is platform. And the attractiveness of that is part of it.
Matthew Avril: Fair question. Yeah, fair question, Ben. We feel like we've got a number of factors, certainly events as platform and the attractiveness of that is part of it. They all combine to drive one of our underlying metrics that are contributing to that contract sales acceleration, is our increased tour flow from our owners on property. Increasing the experiential aspect, those events are geared towards our best customers and our owners on site, so it is embedded in that acceleration. I wouldn't do an attribution waterfall chart, if you will. This much of the increase is this, this. It is the totality of all of the things that we're rolling out simultaneously.
Matt Avril: Fair question. Yeah, fair question, Ben. We feel like we've got a number of factors, certainly events as platform and the attractiveness of that is part of it. They all combine to drive one of our underlying metrics that are contributing to that contract sales acceleration, is our increased tour flow from our owners on property. Increasing the experiential aspect, those events are geared towards our best customers and our owners on site, so it is embedded in that acceleration. I wouldn't do an attribution waterfall chart, if you will. This much of the increase is this, this. It is the totality of all of the things that we're rolling out simultaneously.
Speaker #3: They all combine to drive one of our underlying metrics that are contributing to that contract sales acceleration. Is our increased tour flow from our owners on property.
Speaker #3: And increasing the experiential aspect, those events are geared towards our best customers and our owners on site. So it is embedded in that acceleration.
Speaker #3: I wouldn't do an attribution waterfall chart, if you will. This much of the increase is this. This, this. It is the totality of all of the things that we're rolling out simultaneously.
Speaker #4: Understood. Thank you.
Ben Chaiken: Understood. Thank you.
Ben Chaiken: Understood. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Ben.
Matthew Avril: Thanks, Ben.
Matt Avril: Thanks, Ben.
Speaker #5: The next question comes from Brent Montour with Barclays. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Brandt Montour with Barclays. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Brandt Montour with Barclays. Please proceed.
Brandt Montour: Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. Apologize for my connection here. Can you just maybe break out that April metric, and kind of give us a sense of how much of that was close rate, how much of that was expanding, you know, purchase price, if there's mixed benefit in terms of repeat versus new owner? Just trying to get a sense for how much of that is sort of blocking and tackling, how much of that is mixed.
Speaker #6: Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question, and I apologize for my connection here. Can you just maybe break out that April metric? Kind of give us a sense of how much that was close rate, how much of that was expanding purchase price, if there's mix benefit in terms of repeat versus new owner.
Brandt Montour: Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. Apologize for my connection here. Can you just maybe break out that April metric, and kind of give us a sense of how much of that was close rate, how much of that was expanding, you know, purchase price, if there's mixed benefit in terms of repeat versus new owner? Just trying to get a sense for how much of that is sort of blocking and tackling, how much of that is mixed.
Speaker #6: Just trying to get a sense for how much of that is sort of blocking and tackling, how much of it and how much of that is mixed.
Michael Flaskey: Hey, Brent. It's Mike here. Our VPGs in April were up $450, just over $450 or about 12.7% versus prior year. Our tour flow was exactly as planned with our reduction in Asia. You know, North America tour flow was right on par. Asia was down as planned. You know, that's kind of the mix. You know, average transaction size is a key focus point for us going forward. In the month of April, it was actually a balance of close and average transaction size.
Speaker #3: Hey, Brand. It's Mike here. Our VPGs in April were up 450, just over 450, or about 12.7% versus prior year. Our tour flow was exactly as planned with our reduction in Asia.
Mike Flaskey: Hey, Brent. It's Mike here. Our VPGs in April were up $450, just over $450 or about 12.7% versus prior year. Our tour flow was exactly as planned with our reduction in Asia. You know, North America tour flow was right on par. Asia was down as planned. You know, that's kind of the mix. You know, average transaction size is a key focus point for us going forward. In the month of April, it was actually a balance of close and average transaction size.
Speaker #3: So North America tour flow was right on par. Asia was down as planned. So that's kind of the mix. And average transaction size is a key focus point for us going forward in the month of April.
Speaker #3: It was actually a balance of close and average transaction size.
Speaker #6: Okay. That's really helpful. And then maybe another one for you, Mike. You spoke about getting the right tours take us back a little bit.
Brandt Montour: Okay. That's really helpful. Then maybe another one for you, Mike. You know, you spoke about getting the right tours. You know, take us back a little bit. When you got there, what kind of tours were you guys getting before, and what kind of tours are you getting now? Why do you think it's going to be sort of low-hanging fruit that you can use your assets to sort of hone in on those higher hit rate tours?
Brandt Montour: Okay. That's really helpful. Then maybe another one for you, Mike. You know, you spoke about getting the right tours. You know, take us back a little bit. When you got there, what kind of tours were you guys getting before, and what kind of tours are you getting now? Why do you think it's going to be sort of low-hanging fruit that you can use your assets to sort of hone in on those higher hit rate tours?
Speaker #6: When you got there, what kind of tours were you guys getting before? And what kind of tours are you getting now? And why do you think it's going to be sort of low-hanging fruit that you can use your assets to sort of hone in on those higher hit rate tours?
Speaker #3: Right. Well, it's a combination of things. First, by far, in my career, this is the most robust data pool that we've had to generate leads with the Marriott Bonvoy and the world of Hyatt.
Michael Flaskey: Right. Well, it's a combination of things. First, you know, by far in my career, this is the most robust, you know, data pool that we've had to generate leads with the Marriott Bonvoy and the World of Hyatt. We have significant runway left for first time buyers, you know, in those databases. Let's start there. What I observed when I got here was that this company significantly underperformed versus the industry on owner arrival to tour rates. We have a serious opportunity to enhance that. The flow-through on those for every 1 percentage point is significant. We're very, very excited about that. That comment about the right tours was tied to that.
Mike Flaskey: Right. Well, it's a combination of things. First, you know, by far in my career, this is the most robust, you know, data pool that we've had to generate leads with the Marriott Bonvoy and the World of Hyatt. We have significant runway left for first time buyers, you know, in those databases. Let's start there. What I observed when I got here was that this company significantly underperformed versus the industry on owner arrival to tour rates. We have a serious opportunity to enhance that. The flow-through on those for every 1 percentage point is significant. We're very, very excited about that. That comment about the right tours was tied to that.
Speaker #3: And we have significant runway left for first-time buyers in those databases. So let's start there. What I observed when I got here was that this company significantly underperformed versus the industry on owner arrival to tour rates.
Speaker #3: And so we have a serious opportunity to enhance that. And the flow-through on those for every 1 percentage point is significant. So we're very, very excited about that and that comment about the right tours was tied to that.
Speaker #3: But subsequently, when I talk about tour logistics, one of the things that we have worked diligently on in the past and that we're implementing here is kind of our proprietary model where we make sure we understand the VPG by guest type of every tour that's coming into our sales galleries and then also knowing our individual sales executives' VPGs by guest type and then using logistics to match that up so that we give ourselves the highest propensity for close.
Michael Flaskey: Subsequently, you know, when I talk about tour logistics, one of the things that we have worked diligently on in the past and that we're implementing here is kind of our proprietary model where we make sure we understand the VPG by guest type of every tour that's coming into our sales galleries, and then also knowing our individual sales executives VPGs by guest type, and then using logistics to match that up so that we give ourselves the highest propensity for close. That is something that really was just starting to take hold in the month of April and has significant runway for the business.
Mike Flaskey: Subsequently, you know, when I talk about tour logistics, one of the things that we have worked diligently on in the past and that we're implementing here is kind of our proprietary model where we make sure we understand the VPG by guest type of every tour that's coming into our sales galleries, and then also knowing our individual sales executives VPGs by guest type, and then using logistics to match that up so that we give ourselves the highest propensity for close. That is something that really was just starting to take hold in the month of April and has significant runway for the business.
Speaker #3: And so that is something that really was just starting to take hold in the month of April and has significant runway for the business.
Speaker #6: Great. Thanks, everyone.
Matthew Avril: Great. Thanks, everyone.
Brandt Montour: Great. Thanks, everyone.
Speaker #5: The next question comes from Lizzie Dove with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Lizzie Dove with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Lizzie Dove with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.
Speaker #7: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to see if you could expand on the new owner side of things, what you're seeing there in terms of new owner, VPG versus existing, and what you're kind of baking in for contract sales in terms of any makeshift in terms of new owners for the rest of the year.
Lizzie Dove: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to see if you could expand on the new owner side of things, what you're seeing there in terms of, you know, new owner VPG versus existing, what you're kind of baking in for contract sales in terms of any, you know, mix shift in terms of new owners for the rest of the year?
Lizzie Dove: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to see if you could expand on the new owner side of things, what you're seeing there in terms of, you know, new owner VPG versus existing, what you're kind of baking in for contract sales in terms of any, you know, mix shift in terms of new owners for the rest of the year?
Speaker #3: I'll take the first part, Lizzie. It's Mike, and then I'll let Jason talk about kind of the guidance. As a volume, we were at 28% in the first quarter of first-time buyers as our mix.
Michael Flaskey: I'll take the first part, Lizzie. It's Michael, and then I'll let Jason talk about, you know, kind of the guidance. As a volume, we were at 28% in the Q1 of first time buyers as our mix, and on a contract basis it would be higher than that. We believe that we have significant opportunity within the business to increase first time buyer tour flow and first time buyer sales. We're gonna be very prudent about how we do that. As I just mentioned in answering Brandt's question, we have significant runway in front of us on our owner arrival to tour. It's really gonna be a yield management exercise of being smart about how we grow our tour flow and balancing it as we go forward. Jason?
Mike Flaskey: I'll take the first part, Lizzie. It's Michael, and then I'll let Jason talk about, you know, kind of the guidance. As a volume, we were at 28% in the Q1 of first time buyers as our mix, and on a contract basis it would be higher than that. We believe that we have significant opportunity within the business to increase first time buyer tour flow and first time buyer sales. We're gonna be very prudent about how we do that. As I just mentioned in answering Brandt's question, we have significant runway in front of us on our owner arrival to tour. It's really gonna be a yield management exercise of being smart about how we grow our tour flow and balancing it as we go forward. Jason?
Speaker #3: And on a contract basis, it would be higher than that. We believe that we have significant opportunity within the business to increase first-time buyer tour flow and first-time buyer sales.
Speaker #3: We're going to be very prudent about how we do that. As I just mentioned in answering Brandt's question, we have significant runway in front of us on our owner arrival to tour so it's really going to be a yield management exercise of being smart about how we grow our tour flow and balancing it as we go forward.
Speaker #3: Jason.
Speaker #8: Yeah, Lizzie. We ran, as Mike said, about 70% existing owner sales in Q1. And we've been in that sort of range for a bit.
Jason Marino: Yeah, Lizzie. We ran, as Mike said, about 70% existing owner sales in Q1, and we've been in that sort of range for a bit. I think that's a good range, you know, plus or minus for the rest of the year, depending on some of the things that Mike talked about with trying to drive that owner VPG and the owner capture, and driving contract sales. Over the long term, we do expect to grow our first time buyer tours, and that's something for the long term. This year, I think that 70/30 mix is probably where we'll wind up.
Jason Marino: Yeah, Lizzie. We ran, as Mike said, about 70% existing owner sales in Q1, and we've been in that sort of range for a bit. I think that's a good range, you know, plus or minus for the rest of the year, depending on some of the things that Mike talked about with trying to drive that owner VPG and the owner capture, and driving contract sales. Over the long term, we do expect to grow our first time buyer tours, and that's something for the long term. This year, I think that 70/30 mix is probably where we'll wind up.
Speaker #8: And so I think that's a good range plus or minus for the rest of the year depending on some of the things that Mike talked about with trying to drive that owner VPG and the owner capture and driving contract sales.
Speaker #8: Over the long term, we do expect to grow our first-time buyer tours. And that's something for the long term. But this year, I think that 70/30 mix is probably where we'll wind up.
Speaker #7: Got it. Thank you. And then I just wanted to touch on Hawaii. I know there's been some inclement weather there over the last couple of months.
Lizzie Dove: Got it. Thank you. Then I just wanted to touch on Hawaii. I know there's been some inclement weather there over the last couple of months, and I think you have a reasonable amount of exposure there. Anything that you're kind of seeing there or that we should be noting going forward on that?
Lizzie Dove: Got it. Thank you. Then I just wanted to touch on Hawaii. I know there's been some inclement weather there over the last couple of months, and I think you have a reasonable amount of exposure there. Anything that you're kind of seeing there or that we should be noting going forward on that?
Speaker #7: And I think you have a reasonable amount of exposure there. Anything that you're kind of seeing there or that we should be noting going forward on that?
Speaker #3: Hey, Lizzie. This is Matt, thanks for the question. And certainly, the adverse weather there the last three and a half weeks of March was disruptive.
Matthew Avril: Hey, Lizzie. This is Matt Avril. Thanks for the question. Certainly the adverse weather there the last three and a half weeks of March was disruptive. We do have a significant presence on Maui. Candidly, just from a call perspective and how we talk about things internally, you know, the benefit of our business model is our direct marketing and being able to bring people in. We're gonna not lean on weather or disruptions or other things like that when we talk about our results. We certainly prefer better weather. Hawaii is a tremendously important market to us, and we think there is for the reasons that Mike Flaskey has outlined in our system overall are very applicable to Hawaii.
Matt Avril: Hey, Lizzie. This is Matt Avril. Thanks for the question. Certainly the adverse weather there the last three and a half weeks of March was disruptive. We do have a significant presence on Maui. Candidly, just from a call perspective and how we talk about things internally, you know, the benefit of our business model is our direct marketing and being able to bring people in. We're gonna not lean on weather or disruptions or other things like that when we talk about our results. We certainly prefer better weather. Hawaii is a tremendously important market to us, and we think there is for the reasons that Mike Flaskey has outlined in our system overall are very applicable to Hawaii.
Speaker #3: We do have a significant presence on Maui candidly. Just from a call perspective and how we talk about things internally, the benefit of our business model is our direct marketing and being able to bring people in and we're going to not lean on whether or disruptions or other things like that when we talk about our results.
Speaker #3: We certainly prefer better weather. Hawaii is a tremendously important market to us. And we think there is for the reasons that Mike has outlined in our system overall are very applicable to Hawaii.
Speaker #3: So we're excited about what's ahead of us in Maui and all the islands where we operate out there. And bad weather or those kinds of events are going to happen from time to time.
Matthew Avril: We're excited about what's ahead of us in Maui and all the islands where we operate out there. You know, bad weather or those kinds of events are gonna happen from time to time, and we get paid to work through them.
Matt Avril: We're excited about what's ahead of us in Maui and all the islands where we operate out there. You know, bad weather or those kinds of events are gonna happen from time to time, and we get paid to work through them.
Speaker #3: And we get paid to work through them.
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Lizzie Dove: Thank you.
Lizzie Dove: Thank you.
Speaker #5: The next question comes from Trey Browers with Wells Fargo. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Trey Bowers with Wells Fargo. Please proceed.
Operator: The next question comes from Trey Bowers with Wells Fargo. Please proceed.
Speaker #9: Hey, guys. A couple of questions. First one, just a point of clarity. I think you guys said in the prepared remarks that the asset dispositions would not be included in the adjusted free cash flow calcs.
Trey Bowers: Hey, guys, a couple questions. First one, just a point of clarity. I think you guys said in the prepared remarks that the asset dispositions would not be included in the adjusted free cash flow calcs. It looks like there was $50 million of add back in the adjusted free cash flow in the press release. Just wanted to make sure I understand kind of the build of that line item. Thanks.
Trey Bowers: Hey, guys, a couple questions. First one, just a point of clarity. I think you guys said in the prepared remarks that the asset dispositions would not be included in the adjusted free cash flow calcs. It looks like there was $50 million of add back in the adjusted free cash flow in the press release. Just wanted to make sure I understand kind of the build of that line item. Thanks.
Speaker #9: But then there was it looks like there was 50 million of add-back in the adjusted free cash flow in the press release. So just wanted to make sure I understand kind of the build of that line item.
Speaker #9: Thanks.
Speaker #8: Yeah, Trey, that's right. Going forward, any future dispositions would not be included when we gave the guidance for this year. We did say that we would include the sale of the Weston Cancun because that was slated as inventory in the future.
Jason Marino: Yeah, Trey. That's right. Going forward, any future dispositions would not be included. When we gave the guidance for this year, we did say that we would include the sale of the Westin Cancun because that was slated as inventory in the future. That is the way that we did it for that Q1. In connection with that sale, we also entered into a purchase commitment for future inventory in Puerto Vallarta, that was another reason that we put it in adjusted free cash flow because that inventory spend in the future will obviously hit free cash flow down the road.
Jason Marino: Yeah, Trey. That's right. Going forward, any future dispositions would not be included. When we gave the guidance for this year, we did say that we would include the sale of the Westin Cancun because that was slated as inventory in the future. That is the way that we did it for that Q1. In connection with that sale, we also entered into a purchase commitment for future inventory in Puerto Vallarta, that was another reason that we put it in adjusted free cash flow because that inventory spend in the future will obviously hit free cash flow down the road.
Speaker #8: So that is the way that we did it for that first quarter. In connection with that sale, we also entered into a purchase commitment for future inventory in Puerto Vallarta.
Speaker #8: And that was another reason that we put it in adjusted free cash flow because that inventory spend in the future will obviously hit free cash flow down the road.
Speaker #9: Perfect. Thanks. And then just any update on kind of the modernization efforts? Any change to the expectation for the dollar value there? And then maybe just if you guys could just dig in a little bit on what about those modernization efforts are kind of transitory in nature as an operating expense?
Trey Bowers: Perfect. Thanks. Then just any update on kind of the modernization efforts? Any change to the expectation for the dollar value there? Then maybe just, if you guys could just dig in a little bit on what about those modernization efforts are kind of transitory in nature as an operating expense. Thanks so much.
Trey Bowers: Perfect. Thanks. Then just any update on kind of the modernization efforts? Any change to the expectation for the dollar value there? Then maybe just, if you guys could just dig in a little bit on what about those modernization efforts are kind of transitory in nature as an operating expense. Thanks so much.
Speaker #9: Thanks so much.
Speaker #3: Hey, this is Matt. A couple of comments on that. As we chatted last quarter, we are incorporating benefits from modernization as well as management waking up every day, how to improve it to the business in our guidance and in our actual results.
Matthew Avril: Hey, this is Matt. Couple of comments on that. You know, as we chatted last quarter, we are incorporating benefits from modernization as well as management waking up every day how to improve it to the business in our guidance and in our actual results. I would say the other way to also look at modernization, there was a lot of what I would call design and architecture and trying to identify things in last year's work. This year's work is really in the implementation of those that we have identified, and that work is underway. We identify it from both an expense and capital spend perspective.
Matt Avril: Hey, this is Matt. Couple of comments on that. You know, as we chatted last quarter, we are incorporating benefits from modernization as well as management waking up every day how to improve it to the business in our guidance and in our actual results. I would say the other way to also look at modernization, there was a lot of what I would call design and architecture and trying to identify things in last year's work. This year's work is really in the implementation of those that we have identified, and that work is underway. We identify it from both an expense and capital spend perspective.
Speaker #3: I would say the other way to also look at modernization, there was a lot of what I would call design and architecture and trying to identify things in last year's work.
Speaker #3: This year's work is really in the implementation of those that we have identified. And that work is underway. We identify it from both an expense and capital spend perspective.
Matthew Avril: We do not, we're not gonna call out separately, those dollars as they're showing up in our P&L, but they are benefiting our business today, and we expect them to benefit going forward. There will be other initiatives that we're layering into, just call it our project management and improve the business daily mantra. Those are a couple of brief comments I would add. There's been a big shift from assessment and evaluation to implementation on those initiatives we have emphasized and prioritized. For those that we have deferred, the benefit to that is reducing the cash flow associated with the deferred items.
Speaker #3: And so we do not we're not going to call out separately those dollars as they're showing up in our P&L. But they are benefiting our business today.
Matt Avril: We do not, we're not gonna call out separately, those dollars as they're showing up in our P&L, but they are benefiting our business today, and we expect them to benefit going forward. There will be other initiatives that we're layering into, just call it our project management and improve the business daily mantra. Those are a couple of brief comments I would add. There's been a big shift from assessment and evaluation to implementation on those initiatives we have emphasized and prioritized. For those that we have deferred, the benefit to that is reducing the cash flow associated with the deferred items.
Speaker #3: And we expect them to benefit going forward. And there will be other initiatives that we're layering into. Just call it our project management and improve the business daily mantra.
Speaker #3: So, those are a couple of brief comments I would add. But there's been a big shift from assessment and evaluation to implementation on those initiatives.
Speaker #3: We have emphasized and prioritized and for those that we have deferred the benefit to that is reducing the cash flow associated with the deferred items.
Speaker #9: Great. Thanks so much for the questions, guys.
Trey Bowers: Great. Thanks so much for the questions, guys.
Trey Bowers: Great. Thanks so much for the questions, guys.
Speaker #5: Once again, to ask a question, that's star one on your telephone keypad at this time. Our next question comes from Stephen Gramblin with Morgan Stanley.
Operator: Our next question comes from Stephen Grambling with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.
Operator: Our next question comes from Stephen Grambling with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.
Speaker #5: Please proceed.
Speaker #10: Hey, thanks. Actually, two follow-ups. First, peers of culled their management-based recently in terms of the properties they're managing. Do you have a similar opportunity that you're looking at?
Stephen Grambling: Hey, thanks. Actually, 2 follow-ups. First, peers have culled their, you know, management base recently in terms of the properties they're managing. Do you have a similar opportunity that you're looking at? Are there any properties where you still have low occupancy or even pent-up maintenance CapEx that you could look to potentially optimize?
Stephen Grambling: Hey, thanks. Actually, 2 follow-ups. First, peers have culled their, you know, management base recently in terms of the properties they're managing. Do you have a similar opportunity that you're looking at? Are there any properties where you still have low occupancy or even pent-up maintenance CapEx that you could look to potentially optimize?
Speaker #10: Are there any properties where you still have low occupancy or even pent-up maintenance capex that you could look to potentially optimize?
Matthew Avril: Hey, Stephen, this is Matthew. Fundamentally, that is not a area of focus or need from our perspective. We, in our portfolio of resorts, we're excited about all of them. We've got one or two that we'll look at from time to time, but from a systemic, we've got a clear demonstrable batch of resorts, if you will. Respecting, you know, each of us have arrived at our portfolios through different mechanisms, whether how much has been purpose-built, how much people may have acquired over time, I can understand why it was a priority elsewhere. I would tell you, no, that is not a high priority opportunity for us. Our opportunity is with the quality of our resorts that we have, the high GSS scores and the high levels of occupancy that we experience throughout our portfolio.
Matt Avril: Hey, Stephen, this is Matthew. Fundamentally, that is not a area of focus or need from our perspective. We, in our portfolio of resorts, we're excited about all of them. We've got one or two that we'll look at from time to time, but from a systemic, we've got a clear demonstrable batch of resorts, if you will. Respecting, you know, each of us have arrived at our portfolios through different mechanisms, whether how much has been purpose-built, how much people may have acquired over time, I can understand why it was a priority elsewhere. I would tell you, no, that is not a high priority opportunity for us. Our opportunity is with the quality of our resorts that we have, the high GSS scores and the high levels of occupancy that we experience throughout our portfolio.
Speaker #3: Hey, Stephen. This is Matt. Fundamentally, that is not a area of focus or need from our perspective. We in our portfolio of resorts, we're excited about all of them.
Speaker #3: We've got one or two that we'll look at from time to time. But from a systemic, we've got a clear demonstrable batch of resorts, if you will.
Speaker #3: And respecting each of us have arrived at our portfolios through different mechanisms, whether how much has been purpose-built? How much people may have acquired over time?
Speaker #3: I can understand why it was a priority elsewhere. I would tell you no. That is not a high-priority opportunity for us. Our opportunity is with the quality of our resorts that we have, the high GSS scores, and the high levels of occupancy that we experienced throughout our portfolio.
Speaker #10: Thanks. And then as you're thinking about ramping up sales and trying to incentivize owners, I guess, are you changing the way that you underwrite or even as you think about the percentage that you allow people to put down?
Stephen Grambling: Thanks. As you're, you know, thinking about ramping up sales and trying to incentivize, you know, owners, I guess, are you changing the way that you underwrite or even as you think about the percentage that you allow people to put down? Is there any change in that requirement as you look at either existing owners who maybe have built up equity or new?
Stephen Grambling: Thanks. As you're, you know, thinking about ramping up sales and trying to incentivize, you know, owners, I guess, are you changing the way that you underwrite or even as you think about the percentage that you allow people to put down? Is there any change in that requirement as you look at either existing owners who maybe have built up equity or new?
Speaker #10: Is there any change in that requirement as you look at either existing owners who maybe have built up equity or new?
Jason Marino: Yeah, Stephen, this is Jason. We're not changing any of our financing programs in terms of down payments. We've had the minimum debt 10% down payment now for a while, consistent with the industry. We're not changing anything in that regard. Owners can use their existing upgrade, again, common, within the industry to use their existing equity and their existing ownership to, use that as partial down payments or full down payments if they have enough, in new deals. That's not a change, though.
Jason Marino: Yeah, Stephen, this is Jason. We're not changing any of our financing programs in terms of down payments. We've had the minimum debt 10% down payment now for a while, consistent with the industry. We're not changing anything in that regard. Owners can use their existing upgrade, again, common, within the industry to use their existing equity and their existing ownership to, use that as partial down payments or full down payments if they have enough, in new deals. That's not a change, though.
Speaker #8: Yeah, Stephen, this is Jason. We're not changing any of our financing programs in terms of down payments. We've had the minimum debt 10% down payment now for a while consistent with the industry.
Speaker #8: And so we're not changing anything in that regard. Owners can use their existing upgrade. Again, common within the industry to use their existing equity in their existing ownership to use that as partial down payments or full down payments if they have enough.
Speaker #8: In new deals. So that's not a change, though.
Speaker #10: Got it. Thank you.
Stephen Grambling: Got it. Thank you.
Stephen Grambling: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back to Matt Averell for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back to Matthew Avril for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back to Matthew Avril for closing remarks.
Speaker #3: Thank you for joining us on our call this morning. It's been six months since I joined, and we've made significant progress executing our plans.
Matthew Avril: Thank you for joining us on our call this morning. It's been six months since I joined, and we've made significant progress executing our plans. During Q1, we implemented a series of actions to improve our performance. As we move forward with our plans, we will begin to see stronger contract sales, profitability, cash flow, and EBITDA growth. I want to specifically thank our Marriott Vacations associates throughout the company. It has been a period of rapid and substantial change, and our teams are rallying to the vision and priorities we have. On behalf of all of our associates, owners, members, and customers around the world, I wanna thank you for your continued interest and support of the company.
Matt Avril: Thank you for joining us on our call this morning. It's been six months since I joined, and we've made significant progress executing our plans. During Q1, we implemented a series of actions to improve our performance. As we move forward with our plans, we will begin to see stronger contract sales, profitability, cash flow, and EBITDA growth. I want to specifically thank our Marriott Vacations associates throughout the company. It has been a period of rapid and substantial change, and our teams are rallying to the vision and priorities we have. On behalf of all of our associates, owners, members, and customers around the world, I wanna thank you for your continued interest and support of the company.
Speaker #3: During the first quarter, we implemented a series of actions to improve our performance and as we move forward with our plans, we will begin to see stronger contract sales profitability, cash flow, and EBITDA growth.
Speaker #3: I want to specifically thank our Marriott Vacations Associates throughout the company. It has been a period of rapid and substantial change. And our teams are rallying to the vision and priorities we have.
Speaker #3: On behalf of all of our associates, owners, members, and customers around the world, I want to thank you for your continued interest and support of the company.
Speaker #5: Thank you. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect. Your line at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a great day.
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