Q1 2026 Hugo Boss AG Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Q1 2026 results conference call and live webcast. I'm Moritz, a call operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Q1 2026 Results Conference Call and live webcast. I'm Moritz, your host call operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in a listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a question and answer session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Christian Stöhr, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: The presentation will be followed by a question-and-answer session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone.
Speaker #1: For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Christian Stoehr, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to our first quarter 2026 results presentation. Hosting our conference call today is Yves Mller, CFO and COO of Hugo Boss.
Christian Stöhr: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our Q1 2026 results presentation. Hosting our conference call today is Yves Müller, CFO and COO of Hugo Boss. Before we begin, please be reminded that all revenue growth rates will be discussed on a currency adjusted basis unless stated otherwise. In addition, starting with Q1, we have adjusted our sales reporting structure. BOSS Menswear and BOSS Womenswear are now reported jointly under BOSS, while digital sales are included within retail and wholesale. As usual, during the Q&A session, we kindly ask you to limit your questions to 2, allowing for an efficient discussion. With that, let me hand over to Yves.
Speaker #2: Before we begin, please be reminded that all revenue growth rates will be discussed on a currency-adjusted basis unless stated otherwise. In addition, starting with Q1, we have adjusted our sales reporting structure.
Speaker #2: Boss Müller and Boss Müller are now reported jointly under Boss, while digital sales are included within retail and wholesale. As usual, during the Q&A session, we kindly ask you to limit your questions to two, allowing for an efficient discussion.
Speaker #2: And with that, let me hand over to Yves.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Christian, and a warm welcome from Metzingen, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our first quarter results. As outlined in our release this morning, Q1 marked the first full quarter of execution under Claim 5 Touchdown, following its introduction at the end of last year.
Yves Müller: Thank you, Christian, and a warm welcome from Metzingen, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our Q1 results. As outlined in our release this morning, Q1 marked the first full quarter of execution under CLAIM 5 Touchdown following its introduction at the end of last year. As such, the Q1 was shaped by implementation, translating strategic priorities into concrete actions across brands, distribution, and operations. Accordingly, our focus in the quarter was on disciplined execution. We implemented targeted top-line measures to strengthen brand equity, continued to advance sourcing efficiencies, and maintained rigorous cost control across the organization. These actions represent the first concrete outcomes of our realignment and are already translating into structural progress, particularly in gross margin and cash generation, which we will come back to shortly. Overall, we are pleased with the progress made in Q1.
Speaker #3: As such, the first quarter was shaped by implementation, translating strategic priorities into concrete actions across brands, distribution, and operations. Accordingly, our focus in the quarter was on disciplined execution.
Speaker #3: We implemented targeted top-line measures to strengthen brand equity, continued to advance sourcing efficiencies, and maintained rigorous cost control across the organization. These actions represent the first concrete outcomes of our realignment and are already translating into structural progress, particularly in gross margin and cash generation, which I will come back to shortly.
Speaker #3: Overall, we are pleased with the progress made in Q1. At the same time, we recognize that there is more work ahead, and we remain cautious on the near-term visibility given a highly volatile macroeconomic and geopolitical environment.
Yves Müller: At the same time, we recognize that there is more work ahead, and we remain cautious on the near-term visibility given a high volatile macroeconomic and geopolitical environment. Let me now walk you through the quarter in more detail. Under CLAIM 5 Touchdown, 2026 is designed as a year of deliberate realignment rather than a year of chasing volume. In Q1, we made progress across all three pillars: brand, distribution, and operational excellence. This included refining product assortments, reinforcing our focus on full price execution, and taking targeted steps to optimize our distribution footprint. As part of this progress, we closed a net 15 freestanding stores globally, largely through expiring leases. As expected, these deliberate actions were reflected in our Q1 performance. Group sales declined by 6%, driven by the intentional quality focus embedded in CLAIM 5 Touchdown, alongside continued muted consumer sentiment.
Speaker #3: Let me now walk you through the quarter in more detail. Under claim five touchdown, 2026 is designed as a year of deliberate realignment rather than a year of chasing volume.
Speaker #3: In the first quarter, we made progress across all three pillars: brand, distribution, and operational excellence. This included refining product assortments, reinforcing our focus on full-price execution, and taking targeted steps to optimize our distribution footprint.
Speaker #3: As part of this progress, we closed a net 15 freestanding stores globally, largely through expiring leases. As expected, these deliberate actions were reflected in our first quarter performance.
Speaker #3: Group sales declined by 6%, driven by the intentional quality focus embedded in 'Claim 5 Touchdown,' alongside continued muted consumer sentiment. EBIT amounted to €35 million, reflecting the planned impact of our strategic measures, partly offset by solid gross margin expansion and rigorous cost management.
Yves Müller: EBIT amounted to EUR 35 million, reflecting the planned impact of our strategic measures, partly offset by solid gross margin expansion and rigorous cost management. While these actions have a temporary impact on our top and bottom line performance, they represent important building blocks in strengthening the fundamentals of the business and laying the foundation for improved profitability over time. Beyond these deliberate actions, the external environment also remained demanding in Q1. Consumer sentiment was subdued across most key markets with continued pressure on traffic levels. Over the course of the quarter, conditions became more challenging, driven by the geopolitical developments in the Middle East. In this context, let me briefly put our exposure to the Middle East into perspective. The region accounts for around 3% of group revenues and is served through a limited and well-defined store network, primarily in the UAE and Qatar.
Speaker #3: While these actions have a temporary impact on our top- and bottom-line performance, they represent important building blocks in strengthening the fundamentals of the business and laying the foundation for improved profitability over time.
Speaker #3: Beyond these deliberate actions, the external environment also remained demanding in the first quarter. Consumer sentiment was subdued across most key markets, with continued pressure on traffic levels.
Speaker #3: Over the course of the quarter, conditions became more challenging driven by the geopolitical developments in the Middle East. In this context, let me briefly put our exposure to the Middle East into perspective.
Speaker #3: The region accounts for around 3% of group revenues and is served through a limited and well-defined store network, primarily in the UAE and Qatar.
Speaker #3: The Middle East is also a high-quality and very profitable business for us, reflecting an upper premium store portfolio affordable channel mix and disciplined cost structures.
Yves Müller: The Middle East is also a high quality and very profitable business for us, reflecting an upper premium store portfolio, a favorable channel mix, and disciplined cost structures. From March onwards, store traffic in the region declined sharply, leading to meaningful disruption to overall retail activity and weighing on regional demand. As a result, developments in the Middle East reduced group sales by roughly 1 percentage point in Q1. In addition to these direct effects, developments in the Middle East also contributed to increased uncertainty more broadly. In particular, we observed early signs of a softening in consumer sentiment in selected markets, alongside some moderation in international travel flows, which began to affect demand outside the Middle East towards the end of the quarter. Against this backdrop, we actively steered the business while remaining fully committed to our strategic priorities within CLAIM 5 Touchdown.
Speaker #3: From March onwards, store traffic in the region declined sharply, leading to meaningful disruption to overall retail activity and weighing on regional demand. As a result, developments in the Middle East reduced group sales by roughly 1 percentage point in the first quarter.
Speaker #3: In addition to these direct effects, developments in the Middle East also contributed to increased uncertainty more broadly. In particular, we observed early signs of a softening in consumer sentiment in selected markets, alongside some moderation in international travel flows, which began to affect demand outside the Middle East towards the end of the quarter.
Speaker #3: Against this backdrop, we actively steered the business while remaining fully committed to our strategic priorities within CLAIM 5 touchdown. With that, let me turn to our first quarter performance, starting with our brands.
Yves Müller: With that, let me turn to our Q1 performance, starting with our brands. At BOSS, revenues declined by 3%, reflecting the challenging market environment as well as deliberate strategic actions. Menswear performed comparatively better, supported by continued strong demand and cashmere leisure, underlying the relevance of our 24/7 lifestyle positioning. This resilience was particularly evident at BOSS Green and BOSS Camel, both of which recorded growth in the Q1. Womenswear, by contrast, was more affected by intentional assortment streamlining and targeted distribution refinement, measures fully aligned with our strategic priorities and aimed at strengthening brand positioning and long-term profitability. Turning to HUGO, revenues declined by 21%, reflecting the strategic repositioning of the brand. During the quarter, we further advanced the streamlining of HUGO's product architecture into one overarching brand line, creating a clearer, more focused brand proposition, and a more consistent market presence.
Speaker #3: At Boss, revenues declined by 3%, reflecting the challenging market environment, as well as deliberate strategic actions. Menswear performed comparatively better, supported by continued strong demand and cash-aware leisure, underlying the relevance of our 24/7 lifestyle positioning.
Speaker #3: This resilience was particularly evident at Boss Green and Boss Camel, both of which recorded growth in the first quarter. Women's wear, by contrast, was more effected by intentional assortment streamlining and targeted distribution refinement, measures fully aligned with our strategic priorities and aimed at strengthening brand positioning and long-term profitability.
Speaker #3: Turning to HUGO, revenues declined by 21%, reflecting the strategic repositioning of the brand. The streamlining of HUGO's product architecture into one overarching brand line is creating a clearer, more focused brand proposition and a more consistent market presence.
Speaker #3: While these measures continue to weigh on volumes in the near future, they represent fundamental steps to strengthen brand relevance, operational effectiveness, and scalability over time.
Yves Müller: While these measures continue to weigh on volumes in the near future, they represent fundamental steps to strengthen brand relevance, operational effectiveness, and scalability over time. Speaking about our brands, let me emphasize once more. Investing in powerful brand moments remain a core pillar of our strategy. While marketing investments were below the prior year level in Q1, primarily due to phasing effects, marketing spend amounts to 7.3% of group sales, fully in line with our CLAIM 5 Touchdown target range of around 7% of sales. For the full year, we continue to expect marketing investments as a % of sales to remain broadly in line with last year's level.
Speaker #3: Speaking about our brands, let me emphasize once more: investing in powerful brand moments remains a core pillar of our strategy. While marketing investments were below the prior year level in Q1, primarily due to phasing effects, marketing spend amounted to 7.3% of group sales, fully in line with our CLAIM 5 touchdown target range of around 7% of sales.
Speaker #3: Also, for the full year, we continued to expect marketing investments as a percentage of sales, to remain broadly in line with last year's level.
Speaker #3: In the first quarter, our brand investments focused on key initiatives such as the BOSS Fashion Show in Milan, which ranked among the top 10 most engaging brands during Milan Fashion Week, the launch of our Spring/Summer 2026 collections, and the third BOSS by Beckham drop.
Yves Müller: In the first quarter, our brand investments focused on key initiatives such as the BOSS Fashion Show in Milan, which ranked among the top 10 most engaging brands during Milan Fashion Week, the launch of our spring/summer 2026 collections, and the third BOSS by Beckham drop. Together, these moments generated strong social media engagement and brand visibility. Importantly, these initiatives are designed to drive long-term equity and relevance rather than prioritizing short-term volume. From a regional perspective, revenues in EMEA declined by 8%, reflecting targeted measures to enhance distribution quality as well as muted consumer sentiment across several key markets, particularly the UK. Despite a solid start to the year, revenues in the Middle East declined by a low double-digit rate in Q1, reflecting a sharp decline in store traffic in March, following geopolitical developments which also weighed on overall EMEA performance.
Speaker #3: Together, these moments generated strong social media engagement and brand visibility. Importantly, these initiatives are designed to drive long-term equity and relevance, rather than prioritizing short-term volume.
Speaker #3: From a regional perspective, revenues in EMEA declined by 8%, reflecting targeted measures to enhance distribution quality, as well as muted consumer sentiment across several key markets, particularly the UK.
Speaker #3: Despite a solid start to the year, revenues in the Middle East declined by a low double-digit rate in Q1, reflecting a sharp decline in store traffic in March following geopolitical developments, which also weighed on overall EMEA performance.
Speaker #3: In the Americas, revenues declined by 5%, largely reflecting deliberate claim five touchdown measures in the US market aimed at improving distribution quality across both wholesale and retail channels.
Yves Müller: In the Americas, revenues declined by 5%, largely reflecting deliberate CLAIM 5 Touchdown measures in the US market aimed at improving distribution quality across both wholesale and retail channels. As a result, reported revenues were intentionally impacted in the quarter. In addition, developments around Saks weighed on our US concession business. Importantly, underlying performance in our US brick-and-mortar retail business remained resilient with comparable store sales up modestly in the quarter. Outside the US, Latin America saw a slight normalization following a strong period of strong growth. In Asia Pacific, revenues increased by 1%, marking a return to growth. This was supported by a renewed growth in China, aided by a successful Chinese New Year, as well as early progress in strengthening brand positioning and enhancing relevance in the market. Modest growth in Southeast Asia Pacific, particularly in Japan, also supports our regional performance. Turning to our channels.
Speaker #3: As a result, reported revenues were intentionally impacted in the quarter. In addition, development around S-E-X weighed on our U.S. concession business. Importantly, underlying performance in our U.S. brick-and-mortar retail business remained resilient, with comparable store sales up modestly in the quarter.
Speaker #3: Outside the US, Latin America saw a slight normalization following a strong period of strong growth. In Asia Pacific, revenues increased by 1%, marking a return to growth.
Speaker #3: This was supported by renewed growth in China, aided by a successful Chinese New Year, as well as early progress in strengthening brand positioning and enhancing relevance in the market.
Speaker #3: Modest growth in Southeast Asia Pacific, particularly in Japan, also supported our regional performance. Turning to our channels, in retail—which includes brick-and-mortar and self-managed digital—revenues declined by 3%.
Yves Müller: In retail, which includes brick-and-mortar and self-managed digital, revenues declined by 3%, also impacted by a negative space effect. On a comparable store basis, brick-and-mortar sales declined by 2%, reflecting lower traffic and our deliberate focus on full price execution, partly offset by a higher average basket size. Retail performance was also impacted by developments in the Middle East. Self-managed digital, on the other side, declined by 5%, reflecting our continued prioritization of full price sales in support of brand equity and margin quality. In wholesale, revenues declined by 10%, reflecting our ongoing focus on enhancing distribution quality through greater channel selectivity, a more curated assortment, and a stronger emphasis on strategic partnerships.
Speaker #3: Also, impacted by a negative space effect. On a comparable store basis, brick-and-mortar sales declined by 2%, reflecting lower traffic and our deliberate focus on full-price execution, partly offset by a higher average basket size.
Speaker #3: Retail performance was also impacted by developments in the Middle East. Self-managed digital, on the other side, declined by 5%, reflecting our continued prioritization of full-price sales in support of brand equity and margin quality.
Speaker #3: In wholesale, revenues declined by 10%, reflecting our ongoing focus on enhancing distribution quality through greater channel selectivity, a more curated assortment, and a stronger emphasis on strategic partnerships.
Speaker #3: Performance was also influenced by a more cautious order behavior in the current environment, as well as the known delivery timing shift of around €20 million into Q4 2025, which had supported our wholesale business in the final quarter of last year.
Yves Müller: Performance was also influenced by more cautious order behavior in the current environment, as well as the known delivery timing shift of around EUR 20 million into Q4 2025, which had supported our wholesale business in the Q4 of last year. Turning to profitability. Q1 delivered a notable improvement in gross margin. Gross margin increased by 110 basis points to 62.5%, primarily driven by additional sourcing efficiency, including the further reduction in the air freight share, as well as improved pricing associated with the Spring/Summer 2026 collection. A slightly more favorable channel mix provided additional support during the quarter. Importantly, this performance demonstrates that the structural margin improvement we have been driving over recent years remain firmly intact, even in a lower volume environment. Turning to cost and earnings. We maintained strict cost discipline in the Q1.
Speaker #3: Turning to profitability, Q1 delivered a notable improvement in gross margin. Gross margin increased by 110 basis points to 62.5%, primarily driven by additional sourcing efficiency including the further reduction in the average share as well as improved pricing, associated with the Spring/Summer 2026 collection.
Speaker #3: A slightly more favorable channel mix provided additional support during the quarter. Importantly, this performance demonstrates that the structural margin improvement we have been driving over recent years remains firmly intact, even in the lower volume environment.
Speaker #3: Turning to cost and earnings, we maintained strict cost discipline in the first quarter. Operating expenses declined by 4%, supported by lower marketing spending due to phasing effects.
Yves Müller: Operating expenses declined by 4%, supported by lower marketing spending due to phasing effects, ongoing efficiency improvements, and further optimization of our retail cost structures, including rent renegotiations and productivity measures across our store network. As expected, in a lower revenue environment, operating expenses deleveraged as a % of sales. As a result, EBIT amounted to EUR 35 million, corresponding to an EBIT margin of 3.9%, while earnings per share totaled EUR 0.24. Overall, this performance is fully aligned with CLAIM 5 Touchdown and our full year 2026 outlook. Let me now turn to cash flow and working capital. Building on the meaningful inventory reduction achieved at the end of 2025, inventory developed more moderately in Q1, in line with expectations. Year-over-year, inventories declined by 13% on a currency adjusted basis, reflecting prudent buying, more focused assortments, and targeted inventory optimization measures.
Speaker #3: Ongoing efficiency improvements and further optimization of our retail cost structures. Including rent renegotiations and productivity measures across our store network. As expected, in the lower revenue environment, operating expenses deleveraged as a percentage of sales.
Speaker #3: As a result, EBIT amounted to €35 million, corresponding to an EBIT margin of 3.9%, while earnings per share totaled €0.24. Overall, this performance is fully aligned with Claim Five Touchdown and our full-year 2026 outlook.
Speaker #3: Let me now turn to cash flow and working capital. Building on the meaningful inventory reduction achieved at the end of 2025, inventory developed more moderately in Q1 in line with expectations.
Speaker #3: Year over year, inventories declined by 13% on a currency-adjusted basis, reflecting prudent buying, more focused assortments, and targeted inventory optimization measures. As a result, inventories stood at 22% of Group sales at the end of March, while trade net working capital declined by 10% currency-adjusted.
Yves Müller: As a result, inventory stood at 22% of group sales at the end of March, while trade working capital declined by 10% currency adjusted. At the same time, capital expenditure remained at 3.2% of sales, continuing its normalization and remaining fully aligned with our midterm targets. Supported by both the improvement in working capital and continued CapEx discipline, free cash flow before leases improved by nearly EUR 100 million year over year, amounted to EUR 33 million. Let me conclude with a brief look at the remainder of the year. 2026 continues to be a deliberate year of realignment on the CLAIM 5 Touchdown. Following our Q1 performance, we reaffirm our full year outlook. We continue to expect currency adjusted group sales to decline mid to high single digits, reflecting targeted brand and channel measures.
Speaker #3: At the same time, capital expenditure remained at 3.2% of sales, continuing its normalization and remaining fully aligned with our mid-term targets. Supported by both the improvement in working capital and continued CapEx discipline, free cash flow before leases improved by nearly €100 million year over year, amounting to €33 million.
Speaker #3: Let me conclude with a brief look at the remainder of the year. 2026 continues to be a deliberate year of realignment under claim five touchdown.
Speaker #3: Following our first quarter performance, we reaffirm our full-year outlook. We continue to expect currency-adjusted Group sales to decline mid- to high-single digits, reflecting targeted brand and channel measures.
Speaker #3: Currency effects are anticipated to remain a moderate headwind for reported sales. We likewise confirm our EBIT outlook of €300 million to €350 million.
Yves Müller: Currency effects are anticipated to remain a moderate headwind for reported sales. We likewise confirm our EBIT outlook of EUR 300 million to 350 million. Gross margin expansion and continued cost discipline are expected to support profitability, while operating expenses are anticipated to deleverage due to lower revenues. At the same time, we expect macroeconomic and geopolitical volatility to remain elevated, with heightened uncertainties related to developments in the Middle East. In this context, we remain vigilant and continue to closely monitor both direct effects and broader implications for consumer sentiment, international travel flows, and overall trading conditions. Against this backdrop, we will maintain a clear focus on operational delivery and the strategic priorities set on the CLAIM 5 Touchdown. We will continue to prioritize profitability, cash generation, inventory discipline, and flexibility over short-term growth. Ladies and gentlemen, let me close with three takeaways.
Speaker #3: Gross margin expansion and continued cost discipline are expected to support profitability, while operating expenses are anticipated to deleverage due to low revenues. At the same time, we expect macroeconomic and geopolitical volatility to remain elevated, with heightened uncertainties related to developments in the Middle East.
Speaker #3: In this context, we remain vigilant and continue to closely monitor both direct effects and broader implications for consumer sentiment, international travel flows, and overall trading conditions.
Speaker #3: Against this backdrop, we maintain a clear focus on operational delivery and the strategic priorities set under claim five touchdown. We will continue to prioritize profitability cash generation inventory discipline and flexibility over short-term growth.
Speaker #3: Ladies and gentlemen, let me close with three takeaways. First, the execution of Claim 5 Touchdown is firmly underway. 2026 is a year focused on strengthening the fundamentals of the business and elevating its quality, rather than pursuing growth at any cost.
Yves Müller: First, the execution of CLAIM 5 Touchdown is firmly underway. 2026 is a year focused on strengthening the fundamentals of the business and elevating its quality rather than pursuing growth at any cost. In this context, we have made initial progress in sharpening brand focus, enhancing distribution quality, and structurally strengthening the earnings profile of the business, marking an important milestone in delivering our strategy through 2026 and beyond. Second, Q1 delivered solid underlying performance. Gross margin improved, cost discipline remained intact, and cash generation strengthened despite intentional top-line effects from our strategic measures. Third, based on our Q1 performance, we reaffirm our full-year outlook for 2026. While the external environment remains demanding and volatile, we are confident in our strategic direction and our ability to translate execution into stronger brand equity, improved profitability, and long-term value creation. With that, thank you for your attention.
Speaker #3: In this context, we have made initial progress in sharpening brand focus, enhancing distribution quality, and structurally strengthening the earnings profile of the business, marking an important milestone in delivering our strategy through 2026 and beyond.
Speaker #3: Second, Q1 delivered solid underlying performance, gross margin improved, cost discipline remained intact, and cash generation strengthened—despite intentional top-line effects from our strategic measures.
Speaker #3: Third, based on our Q1 performance, we reaffirm our full year outlook for 2026. While the external environment remains demanding and volatile, we are confident in our strategic direction and our ability to translate execution into stronger brand equity improved profitability and long-term value your attention.
Speaker #3: We are now happy to take your questions. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their telephone.
Yves Müller: We are now happy to take your questions.
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Speaker #3: Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. One moment for the first question, please. And the first question comes from Thomas Chauveau from Citi.
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Thomas Chauvet: Good morning, Yves, Christian. Two questions, please. The first one, on your introductory remarks. You said that demand outside the Middle East weakened towards the end of the quarter. Can you elaborate a little bit on what that means in the various regions and how much was retail in April compared to the -3% you registered in the quarter? Secondly, on your comments about the resilience of menswear, particularly with BOSS Green and BOSS Camel positive, can you comment on whether this is due to a very different customer profile you're now seeing in the store purchasing these two lines that are quite differentiated, I believe?
Speaker #2: Good morning, evening, Christian. Two questions, please. The first one: on your introductory remark, you said that demand outside the Middle East weakens towards the end of the quarter.
Speaker #2: Can you elaborate a little bit on what that means in the various regions and how much was retail in April compared to the minus 3% you registered in the quarter?
Speaker #2: Secondly, on your comment about the resilience of menswear, particularly with BOSS Green and BOSS Camel positive, can you comment on whether this is due to a very different customer profile you're now seeing in the store purchasing these two lines?
Speaker #2: That are quite differentiated, I believe. Or rather, you think some relative weakness perhaps of the offering of black and orange whether that's I don't know product quality or value for money proposition or simply the creative parts that would be useful also that you perhaps elaborate a bit on the two divisions you've created with menswear and women's wear and how this new unit of menswear is helping on the creative side.
Thomas Chauvet: Rather you think some relative weakness perhaps of the offering of Black and Orange, whether that's, I don't know, product quality or value for money proposition or simply the creative parts, that would be useful so that you perhaps elaborate a bit on the two divisions you've created with menswear and womenswear and how this new unit of menswear is helping on the creative side. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Excuse me, this is Christian speaking, but we have to quickly follow up on question one, which was obviously a long question, but the quality was really bad on our end.
Yves Müller: Excuse me, this is Christian speaking, but we have to quickly follow up on question 1, which was obviously a long question, but the quality was really bad on our end. I'm sorry for that. I, there was a bit of current trading in it. I remember you asked for retail trends in April, but what was the beginning of your question, if you can recall that, please?
Speaker #3: I'm sorry for that. There was a bit of current trading in it. I remember you asked for retail trends in April, but what was the beginning of your question, if you can recall that, please?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I've sent you apologies for that to everyone. Yeah, the comment—can you hear me better now?
Thomas Chauvet: Yeah. Sincere apologies for that to everyone. Yeah, the comment, can you hear me better now?
Speaker #3: Yes, I'd say so. I mean, it's still it's not perfect, but.
Yves Müller: Yes, I'd say so. I mean, it's still, it's not perfect.
Thomas Chauvet: Okay. Well, I'll try otherwise move to another question with you. You commented on demand weakening outside the Middle East towards the end of the quarter. Could you elaborate on what that means in the various regions? Was retail overall in April very different from the -3% you registered in the period?
Speaker #2: I'll try. Otherwise, I'll move to another question with you. You commented on demand weakening outside the Middle East towards the end of the quarter. Could you elaborate on what that means in the various regions?
Speaker #2: And was retail overall in April very different from the minus 3% you registered in the period?
Speaker #3: So Thomas, you are asking whether the retail performance in April was different from the minus 3% in Q1. Is this your question?
Yves Müller: Thomas, you're asking whether the retail performance in April was different from the -3% in Q1. Is this your question?
Speaker #2: Yes, you mentioned that things weakened outside the Middle East at the end of the quarter because of the war. So I suspect that the consumer may have been impacted in the US and Europe.
Thomas Chauvet: Yes. You mentioned that things weakened outside the Middle East at the end of the quarter because of the war, so I suspect that the consumer may have been impacted in the US and Europe. Could you comment on the various geographies in April, please?
Speaker #2: So, could you comment on the various geographies in April, please?
Speaker #3: Yes. So perhaps let's take the first question regarding, as a—let's say—current trading question. So firstly, I think we have to see that, of course, our retail business and the Middle East business—is the Middle East business itself.
Yves Müller: Yes. Perhaps let's take the first question regarding as a, let's say, current trading question. Firstly, I think we have to see that, of course, our retail business and the Middle East business itself is predominantly a retail business, was definitely affected ongoing in April. I think this refers to everybody. We are not alone in this, but we see that traffic is very low. It has slightly improved over the latest weeks, but now the last 2, 3 days have been also bad. I would say it's a very, let's say, volatile environment. Secondly, I think this is the question around what do we see in terms of consumer sentiment.
Speaker #3: It's predominantly a retail business. Was definitely affected ongoing in April. So I think this is this refers to everybody. We are not alone in this, but we see that traffic is very low.
Speaker #3: It has slightly improved over the latest weeks, but now the last two, three days have been also bad. So I would say it's a very, let's say, volatile environment.
Speaker #3: And secondly, I think this is the question around what do we see in terms of consumer sentiment. I would say here, we see in some selected markets that consumer sentiment is also affected.
Yves Müller: I would say here we see, in some selected markets that consumer sentiment is also affected. For example, like UK, is affected, was already affected in Q1, especially in March, it's also affected in April. We see that actually also the international tourist flow is coming down and affecting the business. On the other side, I think I want to make the comment in terms of our strategic priorities. I think for us, it's also important to stay on track with regards to our strategic execution of CLAIM 5 Touchdown.
Speaker #3: For example, like UK, it's affected. Was already affected in Q1, especially margin is also affected. In April, and we see that actually also the international tourist flow is also coming down.
Speaker #3: And affecting the business. On the other side, I think I want to make the comment in terms of our strategic priorities. I think for us, it's also important to stay on track with God with regards to our strategic execution of Claim 5 touchdown.
Speaker #3: And this means also for us in April, which is a month of, let's say, mid-season sale that you see very often due to the summer—for the summer collections.
Yves Müller: This means also for us that April, which is a month of, let's say, mid-season sale that you see very often due to the summer, for the summer collections, we decided in executing our CLAIM 5 Touchdown for this year that we don't take part in mid-season sale. That is also one of the deliberate decisions that we have taken in order to improve the quality of our business and to have this long-term focus on brand equity. Definitely, of course, we are looking at the current trends up and down, but I think for us it's now very important to keep our compass and to keep the course of our strategic execution and therefore we do not participate in April and therefore the month itself, it's difficult to read between the different effects that we have been seeing.
Speaker #3: We decided, in executing our claim Five Touchdown for this year, that we don't take part in mid-season sale. So that is also one of the deliberate decisions that we have taken.
Speaker #3: In order to improve the quality of our business and to have this long-term focus on brand equity. So definitely, of course, we are looking at the current trends up and down, but I think for us, it's now very important to keep our compass and to keep the course of our strategic execution.
Speaker #3: And therefore, we do not participate in April. And therefore, the month itself—it's difficult to read between the different effects that we have been seeing.
Speaker #3: With regards to your second question, actually, we are very happy with the development of BOSS Camel and BOSS Green. BOSS Green was actually up mid-single digit.
Yves Müller: With regards to your second question, actually, we are very happy with the development of BOSS Camel and BOSS Green. BOSS Green was actually up mid-single digit. You can see that our 24/7 lifestyle image is really working, especially with younger consumers. You can also see that this is the current trend of the business with like sports kind of activities. You've also seen that we have announced now the cooperation with Australian Open for next year. This creates buzz. We are working on a kind of tennis and golf collection. We are really deliberately driving a BOSS Green going forward. On top of this, we are also opened some BOSS Green stores, especially in the Asian markets, where you can see this kind of positive trend.
Speaker #3: You can see that our 24/7 lifestyle image is really working, especially with younger consumers. And you can also see that this is the current trend of the business with sports kind of activities.
Speaker #3: You've also seen that we have announced now the cooperation with the Australian Open for next year. So this creates buzz. We are working on kind of a tennis and golf collection.
Speaker #3: So, we are really deliberately driving BOSS Green going forward. And on top of this, we have also opened some BOSS Green stores, especially in the Asian markets where you can see this kind of positive trend.
Speaker #3: And we are following this kind of trend. With regards to BOSS Camel, which is—I mean, the majority is definitely a retail business. You can really see because of the outpricing of the luxury players and luxury competitors.
Yves Müller: We are following this kind of trend. With regards to BOSS Camel, which is, I mean, the majority is definitely a retail business. You can really see because of the outpricing of the luxury players and luxury competitors that some of the high value, high affluent consumers are trading down to us. That's also driving BOSS Camel in selected markets especially also we saw this in Asian markets, but also in the U.S., where we are actually happy. I would view this, I would see this positively in terms of that we have a certain portfolio to offer and price value proposition for BOSS Black, I think is good. Please keep in mind that we also increased the prices for the spring campaign, 2026.
Speaker #3: That some of the high-value, high-affluent consumers are trading down to us. And that's also driving BOSS Camel in selected markets, especially also. We saw this in Asian markets, but also in the US.
Speaker #3: Where we are actually happy. So, I would view this—I would see this positively, in terms of that we have a certain portfolio to offer.
Speaker #3: And price-value proposition for Black, I think, is good. Please keep in mind that we also increased the prices for the Spring campaign 2026. So, and we get actually good feedback for these kind of—for this kind of measurement.
Yves Müller: We get actually good feedback for these kind of, for this kind of measurement, and this is also driving our business.
Speaker #3: And this is also driving our business.
Operator: The next question comes from Manjari Dhar from RBC. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Then the next question comes from Manjari Da from RBC. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Good morning, Lee. Morning, Christian. Thank you for taking my questions. I also had two, if I may. My first question was on COGS and raw materials.
Manjari Dhar: Good morning, Lee. Morning, Christian. Thank you for taking my questions. I also had two, if I may. My first question was on COGS and raw materials. I just wondered if you could give some color on how you see the outlook on the raw material side as a result of what's going on in the Middle East, and does that have any impact on your own sourcing facilities in Turkey?
Speaker #4: I just wondered if you could give some color on how you see the outlook on the raw materials side as a result of what's going on in the Middle East.
Speaker #4: And does that have any impact on your own sourcing facilities in Turkey? My second question was on tourism. Yves, I know you commented on international tourist flow weakness.
Manjari Dhar: My second question was on tourism. Yves, I know you commented on international tourist flow weakness. I just wondered if you could give some color on sort of how much of the BOSS estate is exposed to international tourist flows and perhaps maybe some more color on how you're seeing the performance in some of those stores. Thank you.
Speaker #4: I just wondered if you could give some color on how much of the BOSS estate is exposed to international tourist flows, and perhaps maybe some more color on how you're seeing the performance in some of those stores.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Thank you very much, Manjari, for your two questions. First of all, regarding the COGS. So, taking your concrete question regarding Turkey—so, for the time being, we don't see any implications regarding our factory in Izmir.
Yves Müller: Yeah. Thank you very much, Manjari, for your 2 questions. First of all, regarding the COGS. Taking your concrete question regarding Turkey. For the time being, we don't see any implications regarding our factory in Izmir. Regarding raw materials, please keep in mind that the majority of the products that we have are coming from cotton and actually wool. They are not so much influenced by this kind of high oil prices. We only have, let's say, limited exposure to polyester. You see price increases there. We have to look at it, whether it's whether the duration will be longer. I think what remains is that we are not as much exposed as perhaps like other sports brands, for example, and we don't see major implications for the year 2026.
Speaker #2: Regarding raw materials, please keep in mind that the majority of the products that we have are coming from cotton and actually wool. So they are not so much influenced by this kind of high oil prices.
Speaker #2: We only have, let's say, limited exposure to polyester. You see price increases there. We have to look at it whether it's whether the duration will be longer.
Speaker #2: But I think what remains is that we are not as much exposed as perhaps, like, other sports brands, for example. And we don't see major implications for the year 2026.
Speaker #2: I think we have to observe the situation, but rather from the COGS development—and also, this also includes freights—we feel that we can compensate those effects that we might be seeing. And with regards to the COGS, we see further improvements regarding sourcing efficiencies, further reduction in air freight share, and that these developments will support gross margin also going forward.
Yves Müller: I think we have to observe the situation, but rather from the COGS development and also includes freights. We feel that we can compensate those effects that we might be seeing and that with regards to the COGS, that we see further improvements regarding sourcing efficiencies, further reduction in air freight share, and that these developments will support gross margin also going forward alongside, although we know that the Middle East has somehow implications on the oil prices. Regarding tourism, we know that our business is around overall 20% to 25% is coming out of tourism flow. We have seen some implications because of the Middle East, because of the big hubs in Dubai and Doha were closed for a certain period of time. There's less traveling.
Speaker #2: Alongside, although we know that the Middle East has, somehow, implications on the oil prices. Regarding tourism, we know that our business is around overall 20 to 25 percent.
Speaker #2: It's coming out of tourism flow. We have seen some implications because of the Middle East, because of the big hubs in Dubai and Doha were closed.
Speaker #2: For a certain period of time, there's less traveling. I think this has impacted the business in March and also in April. And we have seen—we have to see how long it will last.
Yves Müller: I think this has impacted the business in March and also in April. We have to see how long it will last. I think it will also be slightly compensated in domestic revenues then because people might be staying more at home or might be traveling less. We have to observe this kind of development.
Speaker #2: I think it will also be slightly compensated in domestic revenues then because people might be staying more at home or might be traveling less.
Speaker #2: So we have to observe this kind of development.
Speaker #4: Sorry to thank you.
Manjari Dhar: Very clear. Thank you.
Speaker #1: And the next question comes from Grace Molly from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Grace Smalley from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. The first one would just be a quick clarification, please. So, you mentioned that you are starting to see some impact from the Middle East in regions outside of the Middle East.
Grace Smalley: Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. The first one would just be a quick clarification, please. You mentioned that you're starting to see some impact from the Middle East in regions outside of the Middle East. I think, Yves, if I heard you correctly, the UK was the main region that you called out. I just wanted to see if there were any other regions where you're also starting to see an impact outside the Middle East or it's mainly centered within the UK. Also on the answer on current trading, appreciate it sounds like April is very difficult to read given the Middle East disruption, but also the changes in the seasonal sales.
Speaker #4: And I think, Yves, if I heard you correctly, the UK was the main region that you called out. I just wanted to see if there were any other regions where you're also starting to see an impact outside of the Middle East, or if it's mainly centered within the UK.
Speaker #4: And also on the answer on current trading, appreciate it sounds like April is very difficult to read given the Middle East disruption, but also the changes in the seasonal sales.
Speaker #4: But just if there's anything you can say to help us with how we should think about modeling Q2 relative to current consensus. And then my last one would just be on marketing.
Grace Smalley: Just if there's anything you can say to help us with how we should think about modeling Q2 relative to current consensus. My last one would just be on marketing. I believe you mentioned that the lower marketing spend in Q1 was partially due to timing and phasing. If you could just help us with how we should think about the cadence of marketing spend throughout the rest of the year and how we should think about marketing on a full year basis. Thank you very much.
Speaker #4: I believe you mentioned that the lower marketing spend in Q1 was partially due to timing and phasing. So, if you could just help us with how we should think about the cadence of marketing spend throughout the rest of the year, and how we should think about marketing on a full-year basis.
Speaker #4: Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: Yes. I noted three questions, more or less. Good morning, Grace. Thank you very much. So regarding marketing, I think—so, first of all, like I said during my presentation.
Yves Müller: Yes, I know the three questions was. Good morning, Grace. Thank you very much. Regarding marketing, first of all, like I said to you in my presentation, we invested 7.3%. We have had the Milan Fashion Week, we have had BOSS x Beckham. We had also the HUGO campaign, Red Means Go. You can really see that we invested. I think we invested wisely, and we get more out of the EUR spend. Actually, this is all well in line with what we have said during CLAIM 5 Touchdown. There will be definitely a focus on the H2 of the year, especially in Q4, which is actually the holiday season, which as you know, Grace, is the strongest quarter for us.
Speaker #2: We invested 7.3 percent. We have had the Milan Fashion Show. We have had BOSS Beckham. We had also the HUGO campaign, Red Means Go.
Speaker #2: So you can really see that we invested. I think we invested wisely. And we get more out of the euro spent. And regarding—and actually, this is all well in line with what we have said during Claim 5 touched on.
Speaker #2: And there will be definitely a focus on the second half of the year, especially in Q4, which is actually the holiday season, which, as you know, Grace, is the strongest quarter for us.
Speaker #2: So we will, in terms of phasing, focus broadly on the second half of the year, and especially on Q4, where we have the commercial and holiday moments of the year, and where you also have some gifting in this kind of big quarter. Because, as we know, the fourth quarter is between 20% to 30% higher than the first three quarters.
Yves Müller: We will, in terms of phasing focus, broadly on the H2 of the year and especially on Q4, where we have the commercial and holidays moments of the year and where you have also some gifting in this kind of big quarter, because as we know, Q4 is between 20% to 30% higher than the first 3 quarters. Regarding the comment in terms of global sentiment, I think like I said, and I can just repeat this, that we have seen in some selective markets, like the UK, some implications of the Middle East conflict, also slightly less tourists from the Middle East coming into the UK. These were also some implications that we have seen.
Speaker #2: Then regarding the comment in terms of global sentiment, I think, like I said, and I can just repeat this, that we have seen in some selective markets like the UK, some implications of the Middle East conflict.
Speaker #2: Also, slightly fewer tourists from the Middle East are coming into the UK. So, these were also some implications that we have seen. But I think we have to observe the situation, and I think there's nothing more to comment right now because it's really changing on a weekly basis.
Yves Müller: I think it's, I think we have to observe the situation and as I think, nothing more to comment right now because it's really changing on a weekly basis. What's the question? What was that regarding Q2? What was that question again? Yeah. It was Grace, because your question, right, it was a bit of a quarterly-facing question, right? How to think about Q2 in terms of modeling, but also for the remainder of the year, given the current trading comments that were made. Is that right?
Speaker #2: And then was the question what was that regarding Q2? What was that question again? Yeah. It was Grace. You got your question right. It was a bit of a quarterly phasing question, right?
Speaker #2: How should we think about Q2 in terms of modeling, but also for the remainder of the year given the current trading comments that were made?
Speaker #2: Is that right?
Speaker #4: Yes, exactly. Thank you.
Grace Smalley: Yes, exactly. Thank you.
Speaker #2: So I'll take that one, if that's okay for you. So I think that the two comments we can make are, Grace, one related to Q4.
Yves Müller: I'll take that one if that's okay for you. I think that the two comments we can make is, Grace, one related to Q4. I start with the final quarter of the year, and that's basically a reminder of what we have already said in March. The comms, you know, are particularly difficult in Q4, so that's something you will have to bear in mind. I'm sure you're doing that in any case. On Q2, I think only the comments we've made on the Middle East, I guess, you probably will try to find these numbers or these comments finding the way into your Q2 modeling numbers. That's all the comments we are making.
Speaker #2: I start with a final quarter of the year. And that's basically a reminder of what we have already said in March. The comms, you know, are particularly difficult in Q4.
Speaker #2: So that's something you will have to bear in mind. And I'm sure you're doing that in any case. And on Q2, I think only the comments we've made on the Middle East, I guess you probably will try to find these numbers or these comments finding the way into your Q2 modeling numbers.
Speaker #2: But that's all the comments we are making. It's hard to be overly precise now on current trading given the volatility we're seeing in the markets.
Christian Stöhr: Hard to be overly precise on current trading given the volatility we're seeing in the markets, and you said it. Weeks can be quite different from one week to the other. Like I said, I think the implications from the Middle East in April were pretty clear. That is something you should bear in mind. Q4, as I just alluded to.
Speaker #2: And you've said it. Weeks can be quite different from one week to the other. But like I said, I think the implications from the Middle East in April were pretty clear.
Speaker #2: And that is something you should bear in mind. And then Q4 is just alluded to.
Speaker #4: Okay. Understood. Thank you both very much.
Grace Smalley: Okay. Understood. Thank you both very much.
Speaker #1: Then the next question comes from Anthony Shafar, Shafi from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Antoine Shafiq from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Yes, good morning. It's Anthony from BNP. Thank you for taking my two questions. The first one would be on the guidance. Curious to know the breakdown between the gross margin expansion and the OPEX.
Antoine Shafiq: Yes, good morning. It's Antoine Shafiq from BNP. Thank you for taking my 2 question. The first one would be on the guidance. Curious to know the breakdown between the gross margin expansion and the OpEx. I mean, we've seen that the OpEx were down 4% reported, but rather 2% at a constant FX. Do you see the OpEx cut, I would say, fading and being a bit less of a tailwind going into Q4? In term of gross margin, just to know if you have in mind gross margin expansion to be really back-end loaded Q4. Can we see Q4 gross margin expansion above the 110 BPs that you just delivered?
Speaker #5: I mean, we’ve seen that OPEX was down 4% reported, but rather 2% at constant FX. Do you see the OPEX cut, I would say, fading and being a bit less of a tailwind going into Q4?
Speaker #5: And in terms of gross margin, just to know if you have in mind gross margin expansion to be really back-end loaded in Q4. So can we see Q4 gross margin expansion above the 110 bps that you just delivered?
Speaker #5: And my second question is on pricing, but also pricing net of markdowns. Do you expect it to be a net positive like in Q1 in each quarter in 2026?
Antoine Shafiq: My second question is on pricing, but also pricing net of markdowns. Do you expect it to be a net positive like in Q1 in each quarters in 2026? Do you expect to do more pricing versus the one that you, that you did beginning of Q4 of mid-single digit? Is there anything planned? Thank you.
Speaker #5: And do you expect to do more pricing versus the one that you did beginning of Q4 of mid-single digit? Is there anything planned? Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yes. Bonjour, Anthony. Thank you very much for your questions. So regarding pricing, we have now done the pricing in Q4 2025, which will prevail in due course for 2026.
Yves Müller: Yes. Bonjour, Antoine. Thank you very much for your questions. Regarding pricing, we have done now the pricing in Q4 2025, which will prevail in due course for 2026. There will only be, let's say, some slight adjustments, but not this kind of broad-based adjustment we have made. Might do it smartly. We will observe, of course, the competition, but nothing that I would call out in terms of pricing. What I would call out is definitely that we will give less promotions. We have started this already, and I think markdowns will go down and will turn over the course of the year also into a tailwind for gross margin in comparison to last year. We will strictly actually execute our CLAIM 5 Touchdown strategy.
Speaker #2: There will only be, let's say, some slight adjustments, but not this kind of broad-based adjustment we have made. We might do it smartly.
Speaker #2: We will observe, of course, the competition, but nothing that I would call out in terms of pricing. What I would also call out is definitely that we will give less promotions.
Speaker #2: We have started this already. And I think markdowns will go down and will turn over the course of the year also into a tailwind for gross margin in comparison to last year.
Speaker #2: We will strictly, actually execute our Claim 5 touchdown strategy. This means fewer discounts in the online channels. This will be a shorter sales period. This means not participating in mid-season sales, like I said.
Yves Müller: This means less discounts in the online channels. This will be shorter sales period. This will mean not participating in mid-season sale, like I said. These are several measurements that we are taking to reduce our markdowns, always with the implication to drive the long-term profitability and the brand equity of the company. It's all the measurements that we are taking are directed to increase our full price sales through, and this will also help the gross margin going forward. I think we have been happy with our gross margin development already in Q1, which was primarily driven by sourcing efficiencies. But I also expect that we will see a good performance regarding gross margin over the next quarters, regarding gross margin.
Speaker #2: So, these are several measurements that we are taking to reduce our markdowns, always with the implication to drive the long-term profitability and the brand equity of the company.
Speaker #2: So it's all the measurements that we are taking are directed to increase our full-price sales rules. And this will also help the gross margin going forward.
Speaker #2: I think we have been happy with our gross margin development already in Q1, which was primarily driven by sourcing efficiencies. But I also expect that we will see a good performance regarding gross margin over the next quarters.
Speaker #2: Regarding gross margin, and as we have the history of having the OPEX overall under control—minus 4%—I think it's, for us as a management team, important to get, to have the cost under control and to reduce the costs.
Yves Müller: As we have the history of having the OpEx overall under control, -4%, I think it's for us as a management team, it's important to have the costs under control and to reduce the costs. I think you have also seen kind of deleverage this year, but this was overall well expected also in our guidance, and we will focus on those things that we can control on our own, and these are definitely gross margin things and also OpEx. You have seen the direction also in Q1, and you can expect this, that this will continue in the next quarters, meaning gross margin being up and costs going down.
Speaker #2: I think you have also seen kind of the leverage this year, but this was overall well expected also in our guidance. And we will focus on those things that we can control on our own.
Speaker #2: And these are definitely gross margin things, and also OPEX. And you have seen the direction also in Q1, and you can expect that this will continue in the next quarters, meaning gross margin being up and costs going down.
Speaker #1: Then the next question comes from Andreas Riemann from Otto BHF. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Andreas Riemann from Oddo BHF. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Yes, good morning. Two topics. One is the HUGO brand. So the HUGO brand is written in red letters. So my question would be: what actually happened to HUGO Blue?
Andreas Riemann: Yes, good morning. Two topics. One is the HUGO brand. The HUGO brand is written in red letters. My question would be what actually happened to HUGO Blue? Is HUGO Blue still relevant within HUGO? The second topic, the tariffs. In a press call, I think you indicated that you expect that US tariffs will be paid back. Can you help us to guess how much that might be? Linked to that, what was actually the impact from US tariffs on your gross margin in Q1? You didn't mention it, was it that small? That would be my second question.
Speaker #6: Is Hugo Blue still relevant within Hugo? And the second topic, the tariffs. So, in a press call, I think you indicated that you expect that your tariffs will be paid back.
Speaker #6: Can you help us to guess how much that might be and link to that? What was actually the impact from US tariffs on your gross margin in Q1?
Speaker #6: You didn't mention it. So, was it that small? That would be my second question.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Good morning, Andreas. Thank you very much for your questions. Well, I will start with customs. Yes, of course, like every other brand, we are expecting that this kind of surplus that was introduced last year will be paid back.
Yves Müller: Yeah. Good morning, Andreas. Thank you very much for your questions. Well, I will start with customs. Yes, of course, like every other brand is expecting that this kind of surplus that was introduced last year will be paid back. I think, what might be expected. We are not quite sure because as we all know, the administration in the US is also very volatile. No effects have been included in our numbers so far. Actually we are not disclosing the exact amount of the customs that we are having, but it's not such a huge amount that you can expect. Regarding HUGO, definitely we streamlined the assortment regarding HUGO.
Speaker #2: I think this is what might be expected. We are not quite sure because, as we all know, the administration in the US is also very volatile.
Speaker #2: So, no effects have been included in our numbers so far. And actually, we are not disclosing the exact amount of the customs that we are having.
Speaker #2: But it's not such a huge amount that you can expect. Regarding HUGO, definitely we streamlined the assortment regarding HUGO. We have the big campaign Red Means Go.
Yves Müller: We have the campaign Red Means Go, in terms of HUGO, and we are integrating the HUGO Blue products into our HUGO appearance and have a clear focus on contemporary tailoring. This means that we're gonna streamline the assortment going forward. This has been a kind of also kind of strategic measurements and, on of course, the effect regarding the net sales at HUGO are visible, but they were more or less expected from our side. On top of this, we are also reducing here and there some of our distribution points also with HUGO. These are the effects that we have seen with HUGO. I think the most important thing is that we are streamlining the assortment and integrate HUGO Blue into HUGO.
Speaker #2: In terms of Hugo, we are integrating the Hugo Blue products into our Hugo appearance and have a clear focus on contemporary tailoring. So this means that we're going to streamline the assortment going forward.
Speaker #2: This has been a kind of, also kind of, strategic measurements. And, of course, the effect regarding the net sales at Hugo are visible, but they were more or less expected from our side.
Speaker #2: And on top of this, we are also reducing, here and there, some of our distribution points, also with HUGO. So these are the effects that we have seen with HUGO.
Speaker #2: But I think the most important thing is that we are streamlining the assortment and integrating Hugo Blue into Hugo.
Speaker #6: Okay. Very clear.
Andreas Riemann: Okay. Very clear.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Andreas. Ladies and gentlemen, that actually completes today's conference call. There are no more people in the queue wanting to ask questions, so we will leave it at that.
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