Q1 2026 MDxHealth SA Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Please stand by. Your meeting is about to begin. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to today's MDxHealth first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
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Operator 4: It is now my pleasure to turn the meeting over to Mr. John Fraunces. Please go ahead, sir.
Operator: It is now my pleasure to turn the meeting over to Mr. John Fraunces. Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker #3: Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker #2: Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that the company will make forward-looking statements during today's call. Whether in prepared remarks or during the Q&A session, these forward-looking statements are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties.
John Fraunces: Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that the company will make forward-looking statements during today's call, whether in prepared remarks or during the Q&A session. These forward-looking statements are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the Risk Factors section of the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically in the company's annual report on Form 20-F. I'll now turn the call over to Michael McGarrity, Chief Executive Officer.
John Fraunces: Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that the company will make forward-looking statements during today's call, whether in prepared remarks or during the Q&A session. These forward-looking statements are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the Risk Factors section of the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically in the company's annual report on Form 20-F. I'll now turn the call over to Michael McGarrity, Chief Executive Officer.
Speaker #2: These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the Risk Factor section of the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically in the company's annual report on Form 20-F.
Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call over to Michael McGarrity, Chief Executive Officer.
Speaker #3: Thanks, John. And thank you all for joining us for our first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. With me today is Ron Kalfus, Interim Chief Financial Officer.
Michael McGarrity: Thanks, John. Thank you all for joining us for our Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. With me today is Ron Kalfus, Interim Chief Financial Officer. Since I joined MDxHealth, we have been very consistent in our message and our mission. We are driven by three core operating principles: focus, execution, and growth. While our commitment to those principles remains absolute, we also carry a great responsibility to our patients, our customers, and our stakeholders to make strategic decisions that are rooted in transparency and operating discipline. Our Q1 results, our recent developments, and the disclosures we issued today reflect a number of decisions driven by that exact responsibility. Over the past few years, our aggressive growth strategy and commercial execution have positioned MDxHealth as the leader in precision diagnostics focused specifically in urology.
Michael McGarrity: Thanks, John. Thank you all for joining us for our Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. With me today is Ron Kalfus, Interim Chief Financial Officer. Since I joined MDxHealth, we have been very consistent in our message and our mission. We are driven by three core operating principles: focus, execution, and growth. While our commitment to those principles remains absolute, we also carry a great responsibility to our patients, our customers, and our stakeholders to make strategic decisions that are rooted in transparency and operating discipline. Our Q1 results, our recent developments, and the disclosures we issued today reflect a number of decisions driven by that exact responsibility. Over the past few years, our aggressive growth strategy and commercial execution have positioned MDxHealth as the leader in precision diagnostics focused specifically in urology.
Speaker #3: Since I joined MDxHealth, we have been very consistent in our message and our mission. We are driven by three core operating principles: focus, execution, and growth.
Speaker #3: And while our commitment to those principles remains absolute, we also carry a great responsibility to our patients, our customers, and our stakeholders to make strategic decisions that are rooted in transparency, and operating discipline.
Speaker #3: Our Q1 results, our recent developments, and the disclosures we issued today reflect a number of decisions driven by that exact responsibility. Over the past few years, our aggressive growth strategy and commercial execution have positioned MDxHealth as the leader in precision diagnostics focused specifically in urology.
Speaker #3: This strategy transformed our company from $11 million in revenue in 2019 to $108 million in 2025. We took gross margins from the 20s to the mid-60s and we reached adjusted EBITDA profitability last year prior to our acquisition of the ExoDx business.
Michael McGarrity: This strategy transformed our company from $11 million in revenue in 2019 to $108 million in 2025. We took gross margins from the 20s to the mid-60s. We reached adjusted EBITDA profitability last year prior to our acquisition of the ExoDx business. However, as we prioritize the ongoing integration of ExoDx and the growth of our core prostate cancer business, we have made the strategic decision to discontinue our Resolve UTI offering and to cease operations at our laboratory facility in Plano, Texas. This was a carefully considered decision. The Resolve test was uniquely designed for our urology customer base to aid in the rapid diagnosis and treatment of patients presenting with serial, complex, multi-organism infections.
Michael McGarrity: This strategy transformed our company from $11 million in revenue in 2019 to $108 million in 2025. We took gross margins from the 20s to the mid-60s. We reached adjusted EBITDA profitability last year prior to our acquisition of the ExoDx business. However, as we prioritize the ongoing integration of ExoDx and the growth of our core prostate cancer business, we have made the strategic decision to discontinue our Resolve UTI offering and to cease operations at our laboratory facility in Plano, Texas. This was a carefully considered decision. The Resolve test was uniquely designed for our urology customer base to aid in the rapid diagnosis and treatment of patients presenting with serial, complex, multi-organism infections.
Speaker #3: However, as we prioritized the ongoing integration of ExoDx and the growth of our core prostate cancer business, we have made the strategic decision to discontinue our Resolve UTI offering and to cease operations at our laboratory facility in Plano, Texas.
Speaker #3: This was a carefully considered decision. The Resolve test was uniquely designed for our urology customer base to aid in the rapid diagnosis and treatment of patients presenting with serial, complex, multi-organism infections.
Speaker #3: Despite the urgent clinical need and the undeniable medical necessity of this test to the urologists who order it, the increasingly uncertain reimbursement landscape has made the continued operation of this business line unsustainable.
Michael McGarrity: Despite the urgent clinical need and the undeniable medical necessity of this test to the urologist to order it, the increasingly uncertain reimbursement landscape has made the continued operation of this business line unsustainable. Specifically, an unexplained recent policy reversal by our Texas Labs Medicare administrator, Novitas, has created a level of payer uncertainty that we are simply no longer willing to accept. In connection with this, we recently received a communication from Novitas seeking up to $10.4 million in recoupments of historical Resolve testing claims. We believe this action by Novitas is without merit, we are vigorously defending our position through the formal Medicare appeals process. We remain fully confident in our appellate strategy and in the clinical validity of our testing services.
Michael McGarrity: Despite the urgent clinical need and the undeniable medical necessity of this test to the urologist to order it, the increasingly uncertain reimbursement landscape has made the continued operation of this business line unsustainable. Specifically, an unexplained recent policy reversal by our Texas Labs Medicare administrator, Novitas, has created a level of payer uncertainty that we are simply no longer willing to accept. In connection with this, we recently received a communication from Novitas seeking up to $10.4 million in recoupments of historical Resolve testing claims. We believe this action by Novitas is without merit, we are vigorously defending our position through the formal Medicare appeals process. We remain fully confident in our appellate strategy and in the clinical validity of our testing services.
Speaker #3: Specifically, an unexplained recent policy reversal by our Texas Labs Medicare administrator, Novotas, has created a level of payer uncertainty that we are simply no longer willing to accept.
Speaker #3: In connection with this, we recently received a communication from Novotas seeking up to $10.4 million in recoupments of historical Resolve testing claims. We believe this action by Novotas is without merit and we are vigorously defending our position through the formal Medicare Appeals process.
Speaker #3: We remain fully confident in our appellate strategy and in the clinical validity of our testing services. While stepping away from Resolve is unfortunate, for the thousands of patients who have benefited from the test, we view this proactive exit as a powerful catalyst for our company.
Michael McGarrity: While stepping away from Resolve is unfortunate for the thousands of patients who have benefited from the test, we view this proactive exit as a powerful catalyst for our company. First and foremost, it allows us to focus our capital and operational excellence entirely on our prostate cancer precision diagnostics, where we drive the most scalable value. By stepping away from the reimbursement volatility of Resolve, our entire sales organization is now able to focus 100% on our core prostate cancer menu: Confirm, GPS, and ExoDx. It is important to highlight that we have already completed the Exo-driven strategic mapping and cross-training of our expanded sales force in Q1. Furthermore, we successfully met our internal goal of transitioning our SelectMDx customers to Exo, resulting in accelerating operating efficiencies as we no longer process SelectMDx samples.
Michael McGarrity: While stepping away from Resolve is unfortunate for the thousands of patients who have benefited from the test, we view this proactive exit as a powerful catalyst for our company. First and foremost, it allows us to focus our capital and operational excellence entirely on our prostate cancer precision diagnostics, where we drive the most scalable value. By stepping away from the reimbursement volatility of Resolve, our entire sales organization is now able to focus 100% on our core prostate cancer menu: Confirm, GPS, and ExoDx. It is important to highlight that we have already completed the Exo-driven strategic mapping and cross-training of our expanded sales force in Q1. Furthermore, we successfully met our internal goal of transitioning our SelectMDx customers to Exo, resulting in accelerating operating efficiencies as we no longer process SelectMDx samples.
Speaker #3: First and foremost, it allows us to focus our capital and operational excellence entirely on our prostate cancer precision diagnostics, where we drive the most scalable value.
Speaker #3: By stepping away from the reimbursement volatility of Resolve, our entire sales organization is now able to focus 100% on our core prostate cancer menu: Confirm, GPS, and ExoDx.
Speaker #3: It is important to highlight that we have already completed the Exo-driven strategic mapping and cross-training of our expanded sales force in Q1. Furthermore, we successfully met our internal goal of transitioning our select MDx customers to Exo.
Speaker #3: Resulting in accelerating operating efficiencies as we no longer process select samples. With our sales force fully armed and aligned, we are cementing our position as the growth vertical in urology offering an unmatched suite of precision diagnostics addressing every single point in the prostate cancer pathway.
Michael McGarrity: With our sales force fully armed and aligned, we are cementing our position as the growth vertical in urology, offering an unmatched suite of precision diagnostics addressing every single point in the prostate cancer pathway. An additional value driver of this refocus is our ability to catalyze our commitment to leveraging artificial intelligence. Earlier this year, we initiated an AI-dedicated strategic initiative to build out an AI data platform across the company. With the hundreds of thousands of unique biopsy tissue specimens we receive, our goal is to leverage AI to advance operating efficiency, maximize clinical value, and optimize our customer experience. In fact, we are seeing evidence of this with our landmark ProtecT trial in collaboration with the University of Oxford, where the study protocol now includes AI-enhanced endpoints targeted to improve the prognostic value of our GPS test.
Michael McGarrity: With our sales force fully armed and aligned, we are cementing our position as the growth vertical in urology, offering an unmatched suite of precision diagnostics addressing every single point in the prostate cancer pathway. An additional value driver of this refocus is our ability to catalyze our commitment to leveraging artificial intelligence. Earlier this year, we initiated an AI-dedicated strategic initiative to build out an AI data platform across the company. With the hundreds of thousands of unique biopsy tissue specimens we receive, our goal is to leverage AI to advance operating efficiency, maximize clinical value, and optimize our customer experience. In fact, we are seeing evidence of this with our landmark ProtecT trial in collaboration with the University of Oxford, where the study protocol now includes AI-enhanced endpoints targeted to improve the prognostic value of our GPS test.
Speaker #3: An additional value driver of this refocus is our ability to catalyze our commitment to leveraging artificial intelligence. Earlier this year, we initiated an AI-dedicated strategic initiative to build out an AI data platform across the company.
Speaker #3: With the hundreds of thousands of unique biopsy tissue specimens we receive, our goal is to leverage AI to advance operating efficiency, maximize clinical value, and optimize our customer experience.
Speaker #3: In fact, we are seeing evidence of this with our landmark PROTECT trial in collaboration with the University of Oxford, where the study protocol now includes AI-enhanced endpoints targeted to improve the prognostic value of our GPS test.
Speaker #3: Furthermore, we have initiated a collaboration with a customer-facing digital innovation company to develop AI-enhanced offerings, that build on the evidence-based excellence of our tissue tests.
Michael McGarrity: Furthermore, we have initiated a collaboration with a customer-facing digital innovation company to develop AI-enhanced offerings that build on the evidence-based excellence of our tissue tests. We are incredibly proud of our team's commitment to not only the financials, but to what really matters, the patient and family on the other side of every sample we receive. I will follow up with some closing comments and our updated view forward, but first, let me turn the call over to Ron to walk through our Q1 financial results. Ron?
Michael McGarrity: Furthermore, we have initiated a collaboration with a customer-facing digital innovation company to develop AI-enhanced offerings that build on the evidence-based excellence of our tissue tests. We are incredibly proud of our team's commitment to not only the financials, but to what really matters, the patient and family on the other side of every sample we receive. I will follow up with some closing comments and our updated view forward, but first, let me turn the call over to Ron to walk through our Q1 financial results. Ron?
Speaker #3: We are incredibly proud of our team's commitment to not only the financials, but to what really matters: the patient and family on the other side of every sample we receive.
Speaker #3: I will follow up with some closing comments and our updated view forward, but first let me turn the call over to Ron to walk through our first quarter financial results.
Speaker #3: Ron?
Speaker #4: Thank you, Mike. Before I dive into the financial results, I want to briefly frame our Q1 presentation. Because our board strategic decision to exit the Resolve MDx business occurred in April, the financial results of the Plano Laboratory and Resolve business remain embedded within our as-reported continuing operations for the first quarter.
Ron Kalfus: Thank you, Mike. Before I dive into the financial results, I want to briefly frame our Q1 presentation. Because our board's strategic decision to exit the ResolveMDx business occurred in April. The financial results of the Plano Laboratory and Resolve business remain embedded within our as-reported continuing operations for Q1. However, to provide investors with a clear and transparent view of our core business trajectory moving forward, we have provided pro forma as-adjusted tables in our earnings release. These tables entirely back out the revenue and direct operating expenses of the Resolve business. To help you model the ongoing business, I will provide a statutory results today and compare them directly to these pro forma metrics of our continuing prostate cancer operations. Our as-reported revenue for Q1 ended 31 March 2026 was $27.4 million.
Ron Kalfus: Thank you, Mike. Before I dive into the financial results, I want to briefly frame our Q1 presentation. Because our board's strategic decision to exit the ResolveMDx business occurred in April. The financial results of the Plano Laboratory and Resolve business remain embedded within our as-reported continuing operations for Q1. However, to provide investors with a clear and transparent view of our core business trajectory moving forward, we have provided pro forma as-adjusted tables in our earnings release. These tables entirely back out the revenue and direct operating expenses of the Resolve business. To help you model the ongoing business, I will provide a statutory results today and compare them directly to these pro forma metrics of our continuing prostate cancer operations. Our as-reported revenue for Q1 ended 31 March 2026 was $27.4 million.
Speaker #4: However, to provide investors with a clear and transparent view of our core business trajectory moving forward, we have provided pro forma as-adjusted tables in our earnings release.
Speaker #4: These tables entirely back out the revenue and direct operating expenses of the Resolve business. To help you model the ongoing business, I will provide statutory results today and compare them directly to these pro forma metrics of our continuing prostate cancer operations.
Speaker #4: Our as-reported revenue for the first quarter ended March 31st, 2026, was $27.4 million. However, on a pro forma basis, excluding the Resolve business entirely, revenues for our core prostate cancer operations increased by 11% to $23.9 million, demonstrating the continued commercial execution of our integrated sales team.
Ron Kalfus: However, on a pro forma basis, excluding the Resolve business entirely, revenues for our core prostate cancer operations increased by 11% to $23.9 million, demonstrating the continued commercial execution of our integrated sales team. Moving below the revenue line, our statutory as-reported gross profit was $16.6 million. When we back out the Resolve business, our pro forma gross profit for the quarter was $15 million, yielding a pro forma gross margin of 62.9% compared to 68% for Q1 2025, with the difference primarily related to tissue versus liquid mix. Our as-reported operating expenses for the quarter were $23.9 million, resulting in an as-reported operating loss of $7.3 million.
Ron Kalfus: However, on a pro forma basis, excluding the Resolve business entirely, revenues for our core prostate cancer operations increased by 11% to $23.9 million, demonstrating the continued commercial execution of our integrated sales team. Moving below the revenue line, our statutory as-reported gross profit was $16.6 million. When we back out the Resolve business, our pro forma gross profit for the quarter was $15 million, yielding a pro forma gross margin of 62.9% compared to 68% for Q1 2025, with the difference primarily related to tissue versus liquid mix. Our as-reported operating expenses for the quarter were $23.9 million, resulting in an as-reported operating loss of $7.3 million.
Speaker #4: Moving below the revenue line, our statutory as-reported gross profit was $16.6 million. When we back out the Resolve business, our pro forma gross profit for the quarter was $15 million, yielding a pro forma gross margin of 62.9% compared to 68% for Q1 2025.
Speaker #4: With a difference primarily related to tissue versus liquid mix. Our as-reported operating expenses for the quarter were $23.9 million. Resulting in an as-reported operating loss of $7.3 million.
Speaker #4: On a pro forma basis, excluding the direct operating expenses of Resolve, our pro forma operating expenses were $22.9 million, resulting in a pro forma operating loss of $7.9 million, compared to a pro forma operating loss of $4.7 million, for the prior year.
Ron Kalfus: On a pro forma basis, excluding the direct operating expenses of Resolve, our pro forma operating expenses were $22.9 million, resulting in a pro forma operating loss of $7.9 million compared to a pro forma operating loss of $4.7 million for the prior year, primarily related to the addition of the ExoDx business. Our statutory as-reported net loss was $8.9 million. Excluding Resolve, our pro forma net loss was $9.4 million compared to a pro forma net loss of $9.3 million for Q1 of last year. Once again, I'd like to direct investors to the tables at the back of today's press release, where we have provided a detailed preliminary reconciliation of our statutory IFRS results with the pro forma adjustments.
Ron Kalfus: On a pro forma basis, excluding the direct operating expenses of Resolve, our pro forma operating expenses were $22.9 million, resulting in a pro forma operating loss of $7.9 million compared to a pro forma operating loss of $4.7 million for the prior year, primarily related to the addition of the ExoDx business. Our statutory as-reported net loss was $8.9 million. Excluding Resolve, our pro forma net loss was $9.4 million compared to a pro forma net loss of $9.3 million for Q1 of last year. Once again, I'd like to direct investors to the tables at the back of today's press release, where we have provided a detailed preliminary reconciliation of our statutory IFRS results with the pro forma adjustments.
Speaker #4: Primarily related to the addition of the ExoDx business. Our statutory as-reported net loss was $8.9 million. Excluding Resolve, our pro forma net loss was $9.4 million, compared to a pro forma net loss of $9.3 million, for Q1 of last year.
Speaker #4: Once again, I'd like to direct investors to the tables at the back of today's press release, where we have provided a detailed columnar reconciliation of our statutory IFRS results to the pro forma adjustments.
Speaker #4: Finally, our balance sheet remains solid for the quarter, with cash and cash equivalents as of March 31st, 2026, totaling $43.2 million. In addition, on April 15th, we made the 2025 earn-out payment to Exact Sciences in the amount of $15 million.
Ron Kalfus: Finally, our balance sheet remained solid for the quarter, with cash and cash equivalents as of 31 March 2026 totaling $43.2 million. In addition, on 15 April, we made the 2025 earn-out payment to Exact Sciences in the amount of $15 million. After taking into account this earn-out payment, our pro forma cash as of 31 March 2026 would have been $28.2 million. This concludes my overview of the financial results, and I will now turn the call back to Mike.
Ron Kalfus: Finally, our balance sheet remained solid for the quarter, with cash and cash equivalents as of 31 March 2026 totaling $43.2 million. In addition, on 15 April, we made the 2025 earn-out payment to Exact Sciences in the amount of $15 million. After taking into account this earn-out payment, our pro forma cash as of 31 March 2026 would have been $28.2 million. This concludes my overview of the financial results, and I will now turn the call back to Mike.
Speaker #4: After taking into account this earn-out payment, our pro forma cash as of March 31st, 2026, would have been $28.2 million. This concludes my overview of the financial results and I will now turn the call back to Mike.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Ron. As we look forward, we believe that the near-term impact of our strategic exit from Resolve will ultimately augment our ability to drive sustainable, highly profitable growth across our core prostate cancer menu.
Michael McGarrity: Thanks, Ron. As we look forward, we believe that the near-term impact of our strategic exit from Resolve will ultimately augment our ability to drive sustainable, highly profitable growth across our core prostate cancer menu. By streamlining our operations and removing the reimbursement noise associated with the UTI business, we are effectively resetting our growth trajectory. Today, we are establishing updated 2026 revenue guidance for our core cancer business, excluding Resolve, of $110 to 115 million. This represents a robust 20% to 26% year-over-year growth rate for our core cancer business. Our culture of quality first and customer always will ensure our growing reputation for excellence in the urology market. We will continue to strive to deliver on our commitments of growth and value, positioning MDxHealth as the leading precision diagnostics company focused solely on the high-growth urology space.
Michael McGarrity: Thanks, Ron. As we look forward, we believe that the near-term impact of our strategic exit from Resolve will ultimately augment our ability to drive sustainable, highly profitable growth across our core prostate cancer menu. By streamlining our operations and removing the reimbursement noise associated with the UTI business, we are effectively resetting our growth trajectory. Today, we are establishing updated 2026 revenue guidance for our core cancer business, excluding Resolve, of $110 to 115 million. This represents a robust 20% to 26% year-over-year growth rate for our core cancer business. Our culture of quality first and customer always will ensure our growing reputation for excellence in the urology market. We will continue to strive to deliver on our commitments of growth and value, positioning MDxHealth as the leading precision diagnostics company focused solely on the high-growth urology space.
Speaker #1: By streamlining our operations and removing the reimbursement noise associated with the UTI business, we are effectively resetting our growth trajectory. Today we are establishing updated 2026 revenue guidance for our core cancer business, excluding Resolve, of $110 to $115 million.
Speaker #1: This represents a robust 20 to 26% year-over-year growth rate for our core cancer business. Our culture of quality-first and customer-always will ensure our growing reputation for excellence in the urology market.
Speaker #1: We will continue to strive to deliver on our commitments of growth and value, positioning MDx Health as the leading precision diagnostics company focused solely on the high-growth urology space.
Speaker #1: As always, we carry a great deal of responsibility to provide value to all of our stakeholders. Including our patients, our clinicians, our payers, and our shareholders.
Michael McGarrity: As always, we carry a great deal of responsibility to provide value to all of our stakeholders, including our patients, our clinicians, our payers, and our shareholders. Thank you for your continued interest in and support of MDxHealth. Now I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions.
Michael McGarrity: As always, we carry a great deal of responsibility to provide value to all of our stakeholders, including our patients, our clinicians, our payers, and our shareholders. Thank you for your continued interest in and support of MDxHealth. Now I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions.
Speaker #1: Thank you for your continued interest in and support of MDx Health. Now I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions.
Speaker #5: Thank you, Mr. McGarrity. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you do have any questions, please press star one. And as a reminder, you can remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two.
Operator 4: Thank you, Mr. McGarrity. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you do have any questions, please press star one. As a reminder, you can remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. Once again, that's star one for questions. We'll go first this afternoon to Dan Brennan with TD Cowen.
Operator: Thank you, Mr. McGarrity. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you do have any questions, please press star one. As a reminder, you can remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. Once again, that's star one for questions. We'll go first this afternoon to Dan Brennan with TD Cowen.
Speaker #5: Once again, that's star one for questions. We'll go first this afternoon to Dan Brennan, with TD Cowan.
Speaker #6: Great, guys. Thanks, Seth. Thanks for the questions. Maybe just starting on the Novotas. Issue I guess you guys cite the $10.4 million related to retrospective review of certain historical Resolve MDx claims.
Dan Brennan: Great, guys. Thanks, thanks for the questions. Maybe just starting on the Novitas issue. I guess you guys cite the $10.4 million related to retrospective review of certain historical ResolveMDx claims. I know you're gonna, you know, vigorously defend it, but can you Any other color you can provide on what the issue is there and, you know, given the cash balance, like how do we think about the $10.4 million and just the cushion you guys think you have on that? You know, anything on timing, how this will play out.
Dan Brennan: Great, guys. Thanks, thanks for the questions. Maybe just starting on the Novitas issue. I guess you guys cite the $10.4 million related to retrospective review of certain historical ResolveMDx claims. I know you're gonna, you know, vigorously defend it, but can you Any other color you can provide on what the issue is there and, you know, given the cash balance, like how do we think about the $10.4 million and just the cushion you guys think you have on that? You know, anything on timing, how this will play out.
Speaker #6: And I know you're going to vigorously defend it, but can you provide any other color on what the issue is there? And given the cash balance, how should we think about the $10.4 million and the cushion you guys think you have on that?
Speaker #6: And anything on timing, how this will play out.
Speaker #4: Yeah, Dan. We anticipate this will adjudicated for a significant period of time, unless it's immediately in our favor. And we feel like that's a high likelihood.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah, Dan, we anticipate this will not be resolved or adjudicated for a significant period of time unless it's immediately in our favor. We feel like that's a high likelihood. We, you know, this is a very recent development that we're communicating, so we, you know, we have no sense of our multiple initial replies. It's difficult to bracket the timeline, but likely well beyond, you know, the period of time that we're focused on here between now and the end of the year. I would say that although we don't anticipate any liability or recoupment, if there were any minimal, it would be amortized over a 5-year period. You know, I only share that based on our understanding.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah, Dan, we anticipate this will not be resolved or adjudicated for a significant period of time unless it's immediately in our favor. We feel like that's a high likelihood. We, you know, this is a very recent development that we're communicating, so we, you know, we have no sense of our multiple initial replies. It's difficult to bracket the timeline, but likely well beyond, you know, the period of time that we're focused on here between now and the end of the year. I would say that although we don't anticipate any liability or recoupment, if there were any minimal, it would be amortized over a 5-year period. You know, I only share that based on our understanding.
Speaker #4: We this is a very recent development that we're communicating, so we have no sense of our multiple initial replies. So it's difficult to bracket the timeline.
Speaker #4: But likely, well beyond the period of time that we're focused on here, between now and the end of the year. And I would say that although we don't anticipate any liability or recoupment, if there were any—minimal—it would be amortized over a five-year period.
Speaker #4: But I only share that based on our understanding we don't anticipate we anticipate a quick positive resolution or a longer-term adjudication in our favor.
Michael McGarrity: We'd anticipate a quick positive resolution or a longer-term adjudication in our favor.
Michael McGarrity: We'd anticipate a quick positive resolution or a longer-term adjudication in our favor.
Speaker #6: Got it. And Mike, is there any just maybe one more quick one there. Is there any issues or any feedback you've had throughout the process of billing there where there were only in the question clinical utility of the test or is there any issues on that front or just anything else you can share on that front?
Dan Brennan: Got it. Mike, is there just maybe one more quick one there. Is there any issues or any feedback you've had throughout the process of billing there, where they were calling into question, you know, clinical utility of the test or any issues on that front?
Dan Brennan: Got it. Mike, is there just maybe one more quick one there. Is there any issues or any feedback you've had throughout the process of billing there, where they were calling into question, you know, clinical utility of the test or any issues on that front?
Michael McGarrity: Yeah
Michael McGarrity: Yeah
Dan Brennan: anything else you can share on that front?
Dan Brennan: anything else you can share on that front?
Speaker #4: Yeah. If you can imagine, we don't have any further comment on our any communication back and forth, other than to present full transparency on everything we know as of today.
Michael McGarrity: As you can imagine, we don't have any further comment on our any communication back and forth other than to present full transparency on everything we know as of today.
Michael McGarrity: As you can imagine, we don't have any further comment on our any communication back and forth other than to present full transparency on everything we know as of today.
Speaker #4: I will say we have absolute certainty and would find impossible to argue the medical necessity and clinical validity of our test for the patients that are treated.
Michael McGarrity: we have absolute certainty and would find impossible to argue the medical necessity and clinical validity of our test for the patients that are treated. It's important to note that, you know, a lot of these-- this focus on fraud and abuse with infectious disease testing, which UTI has been noted in what is not policy-based, but communications coming out of Novitas Solutions, it is not the type of test that we are offering to the customer base we are, right? We market our tests specifically to urology customers for a very specific patient population, and it is patients that are referred to urology, right? When you have a UTI, you don't call a urologist. This is not your run-of-the-mill immediate care, get put on Cipro, and you're brand new.
Michael McGarrity: we have absolute certainty and would find impossible to argue the medical necessity and clinical validity of our test for the patients that are treated. It's important to note that, you know, a lot of these-- this focus on fraud and abuse with infectious disease testing, which UTI has been noted in what is not policy-based, but communications coming out of Novitas Solutions, it is not the type of test that we are offering to the customer base we are, right? We market our tests specifically to urology customers for a very specific patient population, and it is patients that are referred to urology, right? When you have a UTI, you don't call a urologist. This is not your run-of-the-mill immediate care, get put on Cipro, and you're brand new.
Speaker #4: It's important to note that a lot of this focuses on fraud and abuse with infectious disease testing, with UTI noted—not as a policy-based change, but as communications coming out of Novitas. It is not the type of test that we are offering to the customer base we are, right?
Speaker #4: We market our tests specifically to urology customers. We're a very specific patient population, and it is patients that are referred to urology, right? When you have a UTI, you don't call a urologist.
Speaker #4: This is not your run-of-the-mill immediate care. Get put on Cipro and you're brand new. These are patients that present in men with the large prostate or BPH are prone to these.
Michael McGarrity: These are patients that present, in men with enlarged prostate or BPH, are prone to these. Women are referred to urology for these. We've had patients and clinicians present at our national sales meeting, the clinical value is impossible to argue and remarkably compelling. The broad-paneled organisms and susceptibility markers, in addition, a little bit more detail, our test is, you know, in the 20s of organisms and susceptibility markers. Each run is a specific reaction for each analyte or target organism. We have exhausted when we entered the market are following the AMA guidelines. I'll leave it there, it leads to our confidence and for sure the medical necessity and our ultimate process.
Michael McGarrity: These are patients that present, in men with enlarged prostate or BPH, are prone to these. Women are referred to urology for these. We've had patients and clinicians present at our national sales meeting, the clinical value is impossible to argue and remarkably compelling. The broad-paneled organisms and susceptibility markers, in addition, a little bit more detail, our test is, you know, in the 20s of organisms and susceptibility markers. Each run is a specific reaction for each analyte or target organism. We have exhausted when we entered the market are following the AMA guidelines. I'll leave it there, it leads to our confidence and for sure the medical necessity and our ultimate process.
Speaker #4: Women are referred to urology for these. We've had patients and clinicians present at our national sales meeting, and the clinical value is impossible to argue and remarkably compelling.
Speaker #4: So the broad panel of organisms and susceptibility markers in addition, a little bit more detail, our test is in the 20s of organisms and susceptibility markers.
Speaker #4: Each run is a specific reaction for each analyte or target organism. So we have exhausted when we entered the market or following the AMA guidelines I'll leave it there but it leads to our confidence and for sure the medical necessity and our ultimate process.
Speaker #6: Got it. No, thanks for that, Mike. And maybe as a follow-up just on the just on the core maybe versus your guys' expectations, obviously really strong growth in liquid tissue was up against a really tough comp there.
Dan Brennan: Got it. No, thanks for that, Mike. Maybe for the follow-up, just on the quarter, maybe versus your guys' expectations, obviously really strong growth in liquid. Tissue is up against a really tough comp there. I mean, how did the quarter play out versus your expectations? As you kind of, you know, have the updated guide, like kind of what are you incorporating or like how are you thinking about the rest of the year across your two businesses? Thank you.
Dan Brennan: Got it. No, thanks for that, Mike. Maybe for the follow-up, just on the quarter, maybe versus your guys' expectations, obviously really strong growth in liquid. Tissue is up against a really tough comp there. I mean, how did the quarter play out versus your expectations? As you kind of, you know, have the updated guide, like kind of what are you incorporating or like how are you thinking about the rest of the year across your two businesses? Thank you.
Speaker #6: Just yeah, I mean, how did the quarter play out versus your expectations and as you kind of have the updated guide, kind of what do you incorporating or how are you thinking about the rest of the year across your two businesses?
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Thanks, Dan. Yeah, I think we would appreciate your comments because it's what we expected and I communicated as far as Q4 and Q1 with the integration there will be some focus on the transition of our Resolve customers.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Dan. Yeah, I think we would appreciate your comments because it's what we expected, and I communicated as far as Q4 and Q1 with the integration. There will be some focus on the transition of our Resolve customers. It's important to note also that every one of our Resolve customers is a urology customer, so our reps will be navigating that with our customers. We're confident that we'll navigate through that. Our guidance adjustment really reflects, while we don't break it out and haven't broken it out historically, made the assumption that it's really stripping out our expectation of what Resolve would contribute. That's essentially the calculus of our new guide.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Dan. Yeah, I think we would appreciate your comments because it's what we expected, and I communicated as far as Q4 and Q1 with the integration. There will be some focus on the transition of our Resolve customers. It's important to note also that every one of our Resolve customers is a urology customer, so our reps will be navigating that with our customers. We're confident that we'll navigate through that. Our guidance adjustment really reflects, while we don't break it out and haven't broken it out historically, made the assumption that it's really stripping out our expectation of what Resolve would contribute. That's essentially the calculus of our new guide.
Speaker #4: It's important to note also that every one of our Resolve customers is a urology customer. So our reps will be navigating that with our customers.
Speaker #4: We're confident that we'll navigate through that. And then our guidance adjustment really reflects while we don't break it out and haven't broken it out historically, made the assumption that it's really stripping out our expectation of what Resolve would contribute that's essentially the calculus of our new guide.
Speaker #6: And any color just on the strength in liquid? Obviously, tissue up against a really tough comp, but on a comp-adjusted basis, nice growth. Just yeah, anything to point out across the two segments as you look out as we look out for the rest of the year?
Dan Brennan: Any color just on, you know, the strength in liquid, obviously tissue up against a really tough comp, but, you know, on a comp-adjusted basis, nice growth. Anything to point out, you know, across the two segments, you know, as you look out for the rest of the year?
Dan Brennan: Any color just on, you know, the strength in liquid, obviously tissue up against a really tough comp, but, you know, on a comp-adjusted basis, nice growth. Anything to point out, you know, across the two segments, you know, as you look out for the rest of the year?
Speaker #4: No, I think there might be some embedded strength there because we're there were some additional adjustment to our Q1 revenue based on the fact that we're conservatively not accruing going forward here.
Michael McGarrity: No, I think there might be some embedded strength there because we, you know, There was some additional adjustment to our Q1 revenue based on the fact that we're conservatively not accruing going forward here, cash only. So I don't have any additional comment other than our guidance clearly reflects confidence in our core cancer business, both tissue and ExoDx.
Michael McGarrity: No, I think there might be some embedded strength there because we, you know, There was some additional adjustment to our Q1 revenue based on the fact that we're conservatively not accruing going forward here, cash only. So I don't have any additional comment other than our guidance clearly reflects confidence in our core cancer business, both tissue and ExoDx.
Speaker #4: Cash only. So I don't have any additional comment. Other than our guidance in our core cancer business, both tissue and exo. And I'll just add that with the risk of being clever here, we view this as we believe we'll look back on this as a blessing in disguise from a focus benefit of our sales organization because one rep selling the four tests, Resolve, is a great test that has been broadly adopted, but it requires focus and time with our customers.
Michael McGarrity: I'll just add that, you know, at the risk of being clever here, you know, we view this as we believe we'll look back on this as a blessing in disguise from a focus benefit of our sales organization because one rep selling four tests, Resolve is a great test that has been broadly adopted, but it requires focus and time with our customers and obviously our organizational support of that.
Michael McGarrity: I'll just add that, you know, at the risk of being clever here, you know, we view this as we believe we'll look back on this as a blessing in disguise from a focus benefit of our sales organization because one rep selling four tests, Resolve is a great test that has been broadly adopted, but it requires focus and time with our customers and obviously our organizational support of that.
Speaker #4: And, obviously, our organizational support of that.
Speaker #6: Okay, great. Thanks.
Dan Brennan: Okay, great. Thanks.
Dan Brennan: Okay, great. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Dan.
Michael McGarrity: Thank you, Dan.
Michael McGarrity: Thank you, Dan.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We go next now to Bill Bonello, with Craig Hallum.
Operator 4: Thank you. We go next now to Bill Bonello with Craig-Hallum.
Operator: Thank you. We go next now to Bill Bonello with Craig-Hallum.
Speaker #7: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I want to focus a little bit on the cash situation here. So when you think about the restructuring expenses that you're going to incur, do you have any sense of the magnitude of the cash outlay that may go along with that?
Bill Bonello: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Wanna focus a little bit on the cash situation here. When you think about the, you know, restructuring expenses that you're gonna incur, do you have any sense of the magnitude of the cash outlay that may go along with that?
Bill Bonello: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Wanna focus a little bit on the cash situation here. When you think about the, you know, restructuring expenses that you're gonna incur, do you have any sense of the magnitude of the cash outlay that may go along with that?
Speaker #4: Yeah, Bill, I think we're confident that our expectation would be the operation would cease by the end of June. Obviously, the majority of the Plano operation is carried in Cox.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah, Bill, I think we're confident that our expectation would be the operation would cease by the end of June. Obviously, the majority of the Plano operation is carried in COGS. We expect to derive any additional expense associated with that will be absorbed by additional efficiencies across our operation that has adjacent, or I guess, you know, blended support of our Resolve business in our operation across RCM, client services, and shared services with operation and product support. Hopefully that answered your question. If I understood your question.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah, Bill, I think we're confident that our expectation would be the operation would cease by the end of June. Obviously, the majority of the Plano operation is carried in COGS. We expect to derive any additional expense associated with that will be absorbed by additional efficiencies across our operation that has adjacent, or I guess, you know, blended support of our Resolve business in our operation across RCM, client services, and shared services with operation and product support. Hopefully that answered your question. If I understood your question.
Speaker #4: But we expect to derive any additional expenses associated with that will be absorbed by additional efficiencies across our operation that has adjacent or, I guess, blended support of our Resolve business in our operation across RCM client services and shared services with operation and product support.
Speaker #4: So I guess that hopefully that answered your question if I understood your question.
Speaker #7: I mean, somewhat. I mean, it just you've got I just want to make sure I understand that. I mean, there's going to be some severance payments.
Bill Bonello: I mean, somewhat. I mean, it just, you know, you've got I just wanna make sure I understand that. I mean, there's gonna be some severance payments you're gonna be making. There's charges on the lease that you mentioned, et cetera. Those are all cash. You're thinking you can offset that cash outlay that, you know, may come over the next couple of quarters, you can completely offset that with enhancements to the rest of the business?
Bill Bonello: I mean, somewhat. I mean, it just, you know, you've got I just wanna make sure I understand that. I mean, there's gonna be some severance payments you're gonna be making. There's charges on the lease that you mentioned, et cetera. Those are all cash. You're thinking you can offset that cash outlay that, you know, may come over the next couple of quarters, you can completely offset that with enhancements to the rest of the business?
Speaker #7: You're going to be making—there's charges on the lease that you mentioned, etc.—those are all cash. And so you're thinking you can offset that cash outlay that may come over the next couple of quarters? You can completely offset that with enhancements to the rest of the business?
Michael McGarrity: We're confident that there'll be a considerable offset there, Bill.
Speaker #4: We're confident that there'll be a considerable offset there, Bill.
Michael McGarrity: We're confident that there'll be a considerable offset there, Bill.
Speaker #7: Okay. And then when I think about—
Bill Bonello: Okay. then when I think about
Bill Bonello: Okay. then when I think about
Michael McGarrity: The only term I used differently was that completely, I mean, whether it's complete materially offset.
Speaker #4: The only term I use differently—when we said 'completely,' I mean whether it's completely, materially offset. Just for transparency purposes.
Michael McGarrity: The only term I used differently was that completely, I mean, whether it's complete materially offset.
Bill Bonello: Yeah.
Bill Bonello: Yeah.
Michael McGarrity: Just for transparency purposes.
Michael McGarrity: Just for transparency purposes.
Speaker #7: Okay. Yep. Okay. And then just when I look at the pro formas, and I think there's maybe 700-something thousand dollars of expense that you put with Resolve.
Bill Bonello: Okay. Yep. Okay. Then, just when I look at the pro formas, and I think, you know, there's maybe $700 and something thousand of expense that you know, put with Resolve, can you give us some sense of what those expenses are? What I'm trying to get at here is, you know, how easy will it actually be to eliminate operating expense? What's truly attached to Resolve and what was, you know, just, you know, covering fixed costs?
Bill Bonello: Okay. Yep. Okay. Then, just when I look at the pro formas, and I think, you know, there's maybe $700 and something thousand of expense that you know, put with Resolve, can you give us some sense of what those expenses are? What I'm trying to get at here is, you know, how easy will it actually be to eliminate operating expense? What's truly attached to Resolve and what was, you know, just, you know, covering fixed costs?
Speaker #7: Can you give us some sense of what those expenses are just and what I'm trying to get at here is how easy will it actually be to eliminate operating expense?
Speaker #7: What's truly attached to Resolve and what was just covering fixed costs?
Speaker #4: Mainly incentive comp, Bill. Through our sales organization. For the Resolve test, if I'm understanding that question correctly. And again, as we’re not in a position right now to fully reconcile, but to your two-part question, we expect the majority of the offset of the closing of the operation, the associated costs with that, to be offset by efficiencies across the organization.
Michael McGarrity: Mainly incentive comp, Bill, through our sales organization for the Resolve test, if I'm understanding that question correctly. Again, as we, as we You know, we're not in a position right now to fully reconcile, but to your two-part question, we expect the majority of the offset of the closing of the operation, the associated costs with that, to be offset by efficiencies across the organization. From an OpEx perspective, while I noted that the majority of OpEx, that OpEx will not change materially because the majority of the Plano carry was in COGS, we would expect some benefit, I see as a good example, right, to our sales organization.
Michael McGarrity: Mainly incentive comp, Bill, through our sales organization for the Resolve test, if I'm understanding that question correctly. Again, as we, as we You know, we're not in a position right now to fully reconcile, but to your two-part question, we expect the majority of the offset of the closing of the operation, the associated costs with that, to be offset by efficiencies across the organization. From an OpEx perspective, while I noted that the majority of OpEx, that OpEx will not change materially because the majority of the Plano carry was in COGS, we would expect some benefit, I see as a good example, right, to our sales organization.
Speaker #4: And then from an OpEx perspective, while I noted that the majority of OpEx will not change materially because the majority of the Plano carry was in Cox, we would expect some benefit I see as a good example, right?
Speaker #4: To our sales organization.
Speaker #7: Yeah. Okay. That's really helpful. And then just I guess if I can, and I'll get out of the way and let other people ask questions, but just on the tissue volume just trying to get a better understanding of what's going on there.
Bill Bonello: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's really helpful. Then just, I guess if I can, then I'll get out of the way and let other people ask questions. Just, on the tissue volume, just trying to get a better understanding of what's going on there. It's been, you know, sort of moving steadily downward. I know, you know, you've been doing a big integration, and Salesforce was distracted by that. But it's sort of hard to believe that these trends, that there's nothing else at all happening.
Bill Bonello: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's really helpful. Then just, I guess if I can, then I'll get out of the way and let other people ask questions. Just, on the tissue volume, just trying to get a better understanding of what's going on there. It's been, you know, sort of moving steadily downward. I know, you know, you've been doing a big integration, and Salesforce was distracted by that. But it's sort of hard to believe that these trends, that there's nothing else at all happening.
Speaker #7: It's been sort of moving steadily downward, and I know you've been doing a big integration, and Salesforce was distracted by that, but it's sort of hard to believe at these trends that there's nothing else at all happening.
Speaker #7: So I guess I'm just trying to get what can you tell us about whether you're actually been losing some customers on the GPS side or maybe people are not continuing to use Confirm or why are we seeing volume actually going down?
Bill Bonello: I guess I'm just trying to get, you know, what can you tell us about whether you're actually been losing some customers on the GPS side or, you know, maybe people are, you know, not continuing to use Confirm or, you know, why are we seeing volume actually going down?
Bill Bonello: I guess I'm just trying to get, you know, what can you tell us about whether you're actually been losing some customers on the GPS side or, you know, maybe people are, you know, not continuing to use Confirm or, you know, why are we seeing volume actually going down?
Speaker #4: Yeah, so I think I understand the question. I think I would say there's a multifactorial impact there, right? We have made significant progress, as I've noted, and based on our trending consistent growth profile is sticky adoption.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah. I think I understand the question. I think I would say there's a multifactorial impact there, right? We have made significant progress, as I've noted and based on our trending consistent growth profile, is sticky adoption. There are aspects of our tissue-based tests that require focus and continued work with our customer base with both Confirm and GPS. You commented on the integration, which I fully anticipated, and we expect, clearly reflected in our guidance, to see sequential acceleration on the tissue side, even with the focus required on this new development related to Resolve, on the tissue side in Q3, I'm sorry, Q2, Q3, and Q4 as we go forward.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah. I think I understand the question. I think I would say there's a multifactorial impact there, right? We have made significant progress, as I've noted and based on our trending consistent growth profile, is sticky adoption. There are aspects of our tissue-based tests that require focus and continued work with our customer base with both Confirm and GPS. You commented on the integration, which I fully anticipated, and we expect, clearly reflected in our guidance, to see sequential acceleration on the tissue side, even with the focus required on this new development related to Resolve, on the tissue side in Q3, I'm sorry, Q2, Q3, and Q4 as we go forward.
Speaker #4: There are aspects of our tissue-based tests that are require focus and continued work with our customer base, with both Confirm and GPS. You commented on the integration, which I fully anticipated.
Speaker #4: And we expect, clearly reflected in our guidance, to see sequential acceleration on the tissue side, even with the focus required on this new development related to Resolve.
Speaker #4: On the tissue side in Q3, I'm sorry, Q2, Q3, and Q4 as we go forward. And that's part of the calculus that we understand with our mapping of our customer base, our utilization rates, our the implied churn or whatever that we would have.
Michael McGarrity: That's part of the calculus that we understand with our mapping of our customer base, our utilization rates, our, you know, the implied churn or whatever that we would have. We've made so much progress on that over the net last couple of years that we're confident that sticks. You know, as we look at the comp quarter that Dan noted, we would attribute it to those multiple factors. Our guidance requires that that comes back online on the tissue side as we anticipated at the beginning of the year, knowing that Q1 would be choppy.
Michael McGarrity: That's part of the calculus that we understand with our mapping of our customer base, our utilization rates, our, you know, the implied churn or whatever that we would have. We've made so much progress on that over the net last couple of years that we're confident that sticks. You know, as we look at the comp quarter that Dan noted, we would attribute it to those multiple factors. Our guidance requires that that comes back online on the tissue side as we anticipated at the beginning of the year, knowing that Q1 would be choppy.
Speaker #4: And we've made so much progress on that over the last couple of years that we're confident that sticks. And as we look at the comp quarter that Dan noted, we would attribute it to those multiple factors.
Speaker #4: And our guidance requires that that comes back online on the tissue side as we anticipated at the beginning of the year. Knowing the Q1 would be choppy.
Speaker #7: Sure. Okay. Thank you.
Bill Bonello: Sure. Okay. Thank you.
Bill Bonello: Sure. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Bill.
Michael McGarrity: Thank you, Bill.
Michael McGarrity: Thank you, Bill.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And just a quick reminder, everyone, star one for questions today. We'll go next now to Mark Massaro with BTIG.
Operator 4: Thank you. Just a quick reminder, everyone, star one for questions today. We'll go next now to Mark Massaro with BTIG.
Operator: Thank you. Just a quick reminder, everyone, star one for questions today. We'll go next now to Mark Massaro with BTIG.
Speaker #8: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the question. I apologize—I hopped on the call a few minutes late, so I wanted to just ask a clarifying question.
Mark Massaro: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the question. I apologize, I hopped on the call a few minutes late, I wanted to just ask a clarifying question. you know, I saw from your press release that you received a Medicare recoupment decision from Novitas. I wanted to ask, did you receive a non-coverage determination? The clarification is the coverage suspended at this time?
Mark Massaro: Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the question. I apologize, I hopped on the call a few minutes late, I wanted to just ask a clarifying question. you know, I saw from your press release that you received a Medicare recoupment decision from Novitas. I wanted to ask, did you receive a non-coverage determination? The clarification is the coverage suspended at this time?
Speaker #8: I saw from your press release that you received a Medicare recruitment decision from Novotas. But I wanted to ask, did you receive a non-coverage determination?
Speaker #8: So I'm just the clarification is, is the coverage suspended at this time?
Speaker #4: Mark, my answer to that is we did not I don't know that Novotas has a coverage policy. Which your very experienced in this segment, I mean, I don't I think I commented moldy X or California Max has a clear policy related to UTI testing.
Michael McGarrity: Mark, my answer to that is I don't know that Novitas has a coverage policy, which, you're very experienced in this segment. I mean, I think I commented, you know, MolDX or California MAC has a clear policy related to UTI testing. Novitas does not. There have been communications that have come out over time, probably over the last year or two, where they're calling attention to it and focused on fraud and abuse. I think this is government down to. I think that MolDX has probably held up as well, difficult to navigate through MolDX, we've experienced that they have a standard and a policy coverage. We have followed the AMA guidelines and the guidelines associated with how we have built Novitas and Medicare for the past 5 years, Mark.
Michael McGarrity: Mark, my answer to that is I don't know that Novitas has a coverage policy, which, you're very experienced in this segment. I mean, I think I commented, you know, MolDX or California MAC has a clear policy related to UTI testing. Novitas does not. There have been communications that have come out over time, probably over the last year or two, where they're calling attention to it and focused on fraud and abuse. I think this is government down to. I think that MolDX has probably held up as well, difficult to navigate through MolDX, we've experienced that they have a standard and a policy coverage. We have followed the AMA guidelines and the guidelines associated with how we have built Novitas and Medicare for the past 5 years, Mark.
Speaker #4: Novotas does not. There have been communications that have come out over time, probably over the last year or two, where they're calling attention to it.
Speaker #4: And focused on fraud and abuse, I think this is government down. Two, and I think that moldy X is probably held up as well.
Speaker #4: Difficult to navigate through moldy X. We've experienced that. That they have a standard and a policy coverage. We have followed the AMA guidelines and the guidelines associated with how we have built Novotas and Medicare for the past five years, Mark.
Speaker #4: And we know—I think you would probably know this too—from a landscape perspective, we're not alone here. In fact, I would add an additional point here.
Michael McGarrity: We know, I think, you know, you would probably know this too from a landscape perspective, we know we're not alone here. In fact, I would add an additional point here that we have urology customers that have brought UTI testing in-house through whatever methodology they're using or platform, and they are coming to us saying that they're experiencing reimbursement and are looking to bring reimbursement challenges, inconsistencies. We don't have a policy to lean on to explain their behavior. We are very confident to my opening comment, which you missed, we can follow up, that medical necessity is unquestioned and a very ambiguous, seemingly change in their posture on paying tests they've paid for over time.
Michael McGarrity: We know, I think, you know, you would probably know this too from a landscape perspective, we know we're not alone here. In fact, I would add an additional point here that we have urology customers that have brought UTI testing in-house through whatever methodology they're using or platform, and they are coming to us saying that they're experiencing reimbursement and are looking to bring reimbursement challenges, inconsistencies. We don't have a policy to lean on to explain their behavior. We are very confident to my opening comment, which you missed, we can follow up, that medical necessity is unquestioned and a very ambiguous, seemingly change in their posture on paying tests they've paid for over time.
Speaker #4: That we have urology customers that have brought UTI testing in-house, through whatever methodology they're using or platform. And they are coming to us saying that they are experiencing reimbursement challenges and are looking to bring reimbursement inconsistencies, but we don't have a policy to lean on to explain their behavior.
Speaker #4: And we are very confident to my opening comment, which you missed, we can follow up that medical necessity is unquestioned. And a very ambiguous seemingly change in their posture on paying.
Speaker #4: Because they pay for over time.
Speaker #1: Okay. Thank you for clarifying that, Mike.
Mark Massaro: Okay. Thank you for clarifying that, Mike.
Mark Massaro: Okay. Thank you for clarifying that, Mike.
Speaker #4: We are not willing to try different billing schemes we're just making what we believe is the prudent near and long-term decision for our company and for all of our stakeholders.
Michael McGarrity: We are not willing to try different billing schemes. We're just making what we believe is the prudent near and long-term decision for our company and for all of our stakeholders to maintain our transparency and integrity. It's unfortunate. It's remarkably unfortunate because the value to patients and the way we've responsibly marketed this test.
Michael McGarrity: We are not willing to try different billing schemes. We're just making what we believe is the prudent near and long-term decision for our company and for all of our stakeholders to maintain our transparency and integrity. It's unfortunate. It's remarkably unfortunate because the value to patients and the way we've responsibly marketed this test.
Speaker #4: To maintain our transparency and integrity. It's unfortunate it's remarkably unfortunate because the value to patients and the way we've responsibly marketed this test.
Speaker #1: Okay. So I understand why you made the decision to cease operations in Texas. But did you guys evaluate the option to run the test out of a separate lab in a Medicare jurisdiction that does have coverage?
Mark Massaro: Okay. I understand why you made the decision to cease operations.
Mark Massaro: Okay. I understand why you made the decision to cease operations.
Michael McGarrity: Right
Michael McGarrity: Right
Mark Massaro: in Texas. You know, did you guys evaluate the option to run the test out of a separate lab, you know, in a Medicare jurisdiction that does have coverage?
Mark Massaro: in Texas. You know, did you guys evaluate the option to run the test out of a separate lab, you know, in a Medicare jurisdiction that does have coverage?
Speaker #4: Yeah, Mark. I don't think I comment any anymore on all of the complex decision-making process that we went through. So I don't really have a comment.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah, Mark, I don't think I'd comment any more on all of the complex decision-making process that we went through. I don't really have a comment. I mean, our Irvine laboratory is on MolDX, which has a non-coverage decision for UTI test.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah, Mark, I don't think I'd comment any more on all of the complex decision-making process that we went through. I don't really have a comment. I mean, our Irvine laboratory is on MolDX, which has a non-coverage decision for UTI test.
Speaker #4: I mean, our Irvine laboratories and moldy X, which has a non-coverage decision for UTI test.
Speaker #1: Yeah. All right. And then last one for me. Are you seeing any as of follow-up to Bill's question, on the tissue volume side, are you seeing any changes in the competitive landscape that you can speak of?
Mark Massaro: Yeah. All right. Last one for me. Are you seeing any, you know, as a follow-up to Bill's question, on the tissue volume side, are you seeing any changes in the competitive landscape that you can speak of?
Mark Massaro: Yeah. All right. Last one for me. Are you seeing any, you know, as a follow-up to Bill's question, on the tissue volume side, are you seeing any changes in the competitive landscape that you can speak of?
Michael McGarrity: nothing material from the two competitors on the GPS side.
Speaker #4: Nothing material. From the two competitors on the GPS side.
Michael McGarrity: nothing material from the two competitors on the GPS side.
Speaker #1: Okay. Thank you for the time.
Mark Massaro: Okay. Thank you for the time.
Mark Massaro: Okay. Thank you for the time.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Mark.
Michael McGarrity: Thank you, Mark.
Michael McGarrity: Thank you, Mark.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We'll take a follow-up question now from Dan Brennan at TD Cowan.
Operator 4: Thank you. We'll take a follow-up question now from Dan Brennan at TD Cowen.
Operator: Thank you. We'll take a follow-up question now from Dan Brennan at TD Cowen.
Speaker #9: Hey, guys. Maybe just one more since we'll probably follow up later. Just Michael, to your point on the tissue volume acceleration, can you just elaborate a little bit in terms of some of the initiatives and efforts that you kind of discussed in terms of seeing that sequential acceleration?
Dan Brennan: Hey, guys. Maybe just one more since, you know, we'll probably follow up later. Just, Michael, to your point on the tissue volume acceleration, can you just elaborate a little bit, in terms of, you know, some of the initiatives and efforts that you kinda discussed in terms of seeing that sequential acceleration? Any color, qualitative color you can provide just about the visibility confidence in that acceleration? Thanks.
Dan Brennan: Hey, guys. Maybe just one more since, you know, we'll probably follow up later. Just, Michael, to your point on the tissue volume acceleration, can you just elaborate a little bit, in terms of, you know, some of the initiatives and efforts that you kinda discussed in terms of seeing that sequential acceleration? Any color, qualitative color you can provide just about the visibility confidence in that acceleration? Thanks.
Speaker #9: Any color qualitative color you can provide just about the visibility, confidence, and that acceleration? Thanks.
Speaker #4: Yeah, I mean, I think maybe to provide to Mark's last question—the one competitive landscape change I should have noted, Mark—is on the AI side.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah. I mean, I think maybe to provide, to Mark's last question, you know, the one competitive landscape change I should have noted, Mark, is on the AI side. I think there's a lot of discussion, I don't wanna say noise, but awareness of and communication about the promise of AI in our space, particularly relevant to GPS. What I noted in our strategy here going forward, including the partnership that we've entered into, is that we've been very patient, in rigorous in our processes to the best path forward. We, you know, have not been asleep at the wheel, but we've also not panicked. I think we've gone through a prudent exercise of our operational value and use of AI. Which does drive, as I noted, all of our clinical data generation and study protocols.
Michael McGarrity: Yeah. I mean, I think maybe to provide, to Mark's last question, you know, the one competitive landscape change I should have noted, Mark, is on the AI side. I think there's a lot of discussion, I don't wanna say noise, but awareness of and communication about the promise of AI in our space, particularly relevant to GPS. What I noted in our strategy here going forward, including the partnership that we've entered into, is that we've been very patient, in rigorous in our processes to the best path forward. We, you know, have not been asleep at the wheel, but we've also not panicked. I think we've gone through a prudent exercise of our operational value and use of AI. Which does drive, as I noted, all of our clinical data generation and study protocols.
Speaker #4: And I think there's a lot of discussion I don't want to say noise, but awareness of and communication about the promise of AI in our space, particularly relevant to GPS.
Speaker #4: And what I noted in our strategy here going forward, including the partnership that we've entered into, is that we've been very patient in rigorous in our processes to the best path forward.
Speaker #4: We have not been asleep at the wheel, but we've also not panicked. I think we've gone through a prudent exercise of our operational value and use of AI.
Speaker #4: Which does drive, as I noted, all of our clinical data generation and study protocols. But more importantly, the partnership that we've entered into, when I know customer-facing, my comment would be there is that this partner provides relevant urology pathology services to our common customer base.
Michael McGarrity: More importantly, the partnership that we've entered into, when I know customer facing, my comment would be there is that this partner provides relevant urology pathology services to our common customer base. We are very, very confident that our patient approach there's not a company in the space that has been partnered with or available with AI technology that we haven't spoken to, evaluated. We're very confident that the efforts we're taking internally and the partnerships that we have embarked on will drive significant support for our GPS and Confirm business. That coupled with our execution focus of the sales organization, I guess those are two or three different bases that we have for being confident that the tissue begins to accelerate as we go forward.
Michael McGarrity: More importantly, the partnership that we've entered into, when I know customer facing, my comment would be there is that this partner provides relevant urology pathology services to our common customer base. We are very, very confident that our patient approach there's not a company in the space that has been partnered with or available with AI technology that we haven't spoken to, evaluated. We're very confident that the efforts we're taking internally and the partnerships that we have embarked on will drive significant support for our GPS and Confirm business. That coupled with our execution focus of the sales organization, I guess those are two or three different bases that we have for being confident that the tissue begins to accelerate as we go forward.
Speaker #4: So, we are very, very confident that our patient approach there—there's not a company in the space that has been partnered with or available with AI technology that we haven't spoken to or evaluated.
Speaker #4: And we're very confident that the efforts we're taking internally and the partnership that we have embarked on will drive significant support for our GPS and confirm business.
Speaker #4: But that coupled with our execution focus of the sales organization I guess those are the couple two or three different bases that we have for being confident that tissue begins to accelerate as we go forward.
Speaker #9: Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Dan Brennan: Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Dan Brennan: Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Dan.
Michael McGarrity: Thank you, Dan.
Michael McGarrity: Thank you, Dan.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And gentlemen, it appears we have no further questions today. So ladies and gentlemen, that will bring us to the conclusion of today's MDxHealth first quarter 2026 earnings conference call.
Operator 4: Thank you. Gentlemen, it appears we have no further questions today. Ladies and gentlemen, that will bring us to the conclusion of today's MDxHealth SA Q1 2026 earnings conference call. We'd like to thank you all so much for joining us today and wish you all a great rest of your day. Goodbye.
Operator: Thank you. Gentlemen, it appears we have no further questions today. Ladies and gentlemen, that will bring us to the conclusion of today's MDxHealth SA Q1 2026 earnings conference call. We'd like to thank you all so much for joining us today and wish you all a great rest of your day. Goodbye.
