Q1 2026 Nuvation Bio Inc Earnings Call
Operator 3: 2026 financial results and corporate update call. Today's call is being recorded, and a replay will be available on the company's website. All participants are currently in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the prepared remarks. Now I'd like to turn the call over to J.R. DeVita, Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations at Nuvation Bio. Please go ahead.
Operator: 2026 financial results and corporate update call. Today's call is being recorded, and a replay will be available on the company's website. All participants are currently in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the prepared remarks. Now I'd like to turn the call over to JR DeVita, Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations at Nuvation Bio. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: A brief question and answer session will follow the prepared remarks. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to JR DeVita, Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations at Nuvation Bio.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, we issued a press release summarizing our financial results for the quarter ending March 31, 2026, and provided a business update.
JR DeVita: Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, we issued a press release summarizing our financial results for the quarter ending March 31st, 2026, and providing a business update. The press release is available on the investor section of our website at nuvationbio.com. Today's call includes forward-looking statements, including statements about the therapeutic and commercial potential of IBTROZI and safusidenib, our plans for safusidenib development and future data presentations, the components of our anticipated product revenue, expected milestone payments, and our cash runway. Because such statements deal with future events and are subject to many risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. For a full discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please review our quarterly report on Form 10-Q, which we filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission today.
JR DeVita: Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, we issued a press release summarizing our financial results for the quarter ending March 31st, 2026, and providing a business update. The press release is available on the investor section of our website at nuvationbio.com.
Speaker #2: The press release is available on the Investor section of our website at nuvationbio.com. Today's call includes forward-looking statements, including statements about the therapeutic and commercial potential of Entrosy and Saphositinib, our plans for Saphositinib development and future data presentations, the components of our anticipated product revenue, expected milestone payments, and our cash runway.
JR DeVita: Today's call includes forward-looking statements, including statements about the therapeutic and commercial potential of IBTROZI and safusidenib, our plans for safusidenib development and future data presentations, the components of our anticipated product revenue, expected milestone payments, and our cash runway.
Speaker #2: Because such statements deal with future events and are subject to many risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements.
JR DeVita: Because such statements deal with future events and are subject to many risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. For a full discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please review our quarterly report on Form 10-Q, which we filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission today.
Speaker #2: For a full discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please review our quarterly report on Form 10Q, which we filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission today.
Speaker #2: Joining me on today's call are our Founder, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. David Hung, our Chief Commercial Officer, Colleen Sjogren, and our Chief Financial Officer, Philippe Sauvage.
JR DeVita: Joining me on today's call are our founder, president, and chief executive officer, Dr. David Hung, our chief commercial officer, Colleen Sjogren, and our chief financial officer, Philippe Sauvage. Now I'll turn the call over to Dr. David Hung. David, please go ahead.
JR DeVita: Joining me on today's call are our Founder, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. David Hung, our Chief Commercial Officer, Colleen Sjogren, and our Chief Financial Officer, Philippe Sauvage. Now I'll turn the call over to Dr. David Hung. David, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Now, I'll turn the call over to Dr. David Hung. David, please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thanks, JR. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you all for joining us. Today, I'm excited to discuss the progress we've made across our business in the first quarter.
David Hung: Thanks, JR. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you all for joining us. Today, I'm excited to discuss the progress we've made across our business in Q1. Following the line-agnostic FDA approval of IBTROZI in June 2025, we entered 2026 focused on continuing to build a successful commercial launch in ROS1-positive non-small cell lung cancer, with specific focus on educating physicians, supporting patients, and generating new clinical evidence that reinforces IBTROZI's differentiated profile. Overall, we are very pleased with our continued execution, highlighted by strong demand for IBTROZI and our ability to significantly increase the percentage of new patients treated in the first-line setting. We successfully treated approximately 200 new patients with IBTROZI in Q1, which makes three consecutive quarters of about 200 new patient starts, bringing our total to over 600 since launch.
David Hung: Thanks, JR. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you all for joining us. Today, I'm excited to discuss the progress we've made across our business in Q1. Following the line-agnostic FDA approval of IBTROZI in June 2025, we entered 2026 focused on continuing to build a successful commercial launch in ROS1-positive non-small cell lung cancer, with specific focus on educating physicians, supporting patients, and generating new clinical evidence that reinforces IBTROZI's differentiated profile. Overall, we are very pleased with our continued execution, highlighted by strong demand for IBTROZI and our ability to significantly increase the percentage of new patients treated in the first-line setting. We successfully treated approximately 200 new patients with IBTROZI in Q1, which makes three consecutive quarters of about 200 new patient starts, bringing our total to over 600 since launch.
Speaker #3: Following the line-agnostic FDA approval of Entrosy in June 2025, we entered 2026 focused on continuing to build a successful commercial launch in ROS1-positive non-small cell lung cancer, with specific focus on educating physicians, supporting patients, and generating new clinical evidence that reinforces Entrosy's differentiated profile.
Speaker #3: Overall, we are very pleased with our continued execution, highlighted by strong demand for Entrosy and our ability to significantly increase the percentage of new patients treated in the first-line setting.
Speaker #3: We successfully treated approximately 200 new patients with Entrosy in the first quarter, which makes three consecutive quarters of about 200 new patient starts, bringing our total to over 600 since launch.
Speaker #3: We see a growing trend of more new patients coming from the first-line setting and, in turn, a lower percentage of patients coming from the third-line setting or later.
David Hung: We see a growing trend of more new patients coming from the first-line setting and, in turn, a lower percentage of patients coming from the third-line setting or later. In fact, for the first time since launch, more than half of the new patients who started IBTROZI in the quarter were TKI naive. Given the changing dynamics of patient mix and moving from later line to the first-line setting, and considering the significantly increased durability of IBTROZI in earlier versus later line settings, we are just beginning to see revenue stack in this quarter, as Philippe will shortly discuss. This revenue dynamic is the most important metric for the launch going forward. Therefore, at some point in the future, we will focus on revenue and no longer report new patient starts.
David Hung: We see a growing trend of more new patients coming from the first-line setting and, in turn, a lower percentage of patients coming from the third-line setting or later. In fact, for the first time since launch, more than half of the new patients who started IBTROZI in the quarter were TKI naive. Given the changing dynamics of patient mix and moving from later line to the first-line setting, and considering the significantly increased durability of IBTROZI in earlier versus later line settings, we are just beginning to see revenue stack in this quarter, as Philippe will shortly discuss. This revenue dynamic is the most important metric for the launch going forward. Therefore, at some point in the future, we will focus on revenue and no longer report new patient starts.
Speaker #3: In fact, for the first time since launch, more than half of the new patients who started Entrosy in the quarter were TKI-naive. Given the changing dynamics of patient mix and moving from later-line to the first-line setting—and considering the significantly increased durability of Entrosy in earlier versus later-line settings—we are just beginning to see revenue stacking this quarter, as Philippe will shortly discuss.
Speaker #3: This revenue dynamic is the most important metric for the launch going forward. Therefore, at some point in the future, we will focus on revenue and no longer report new patient starts.
Speaker #3: This has meaningful implications for the long-term opportunity for our medicine, especially now given that based on a recent new analysis presented at AACR, Entrosy has now extended its median duration of response to 50 months in TKI naive patients in the pooled results from the pivotal trust studies.
David Hung: This has meaningful implications for the long-term opportunity for our medicine, especially now, given that based on a recent new analysis presented at AACR, IBTROZI has now extended its median duration of response to 50 months in TKI-naive patients in the pooled results from the pivotal TRUST studies. When patients are treated earlier in the disease course, they are often in a better position to realize increased benefit from a therapy with durable efficacy and generally favorable tolerability. Over time, we believe this can build a larger, longer duration base of active patients on IBTROZI and support more substantial revenue growth. Since launch, our discontinuations have been driven primarily by disease progression in later line patients. This is expected in any oncology launch, as these patients have already progressed through other approved therapies.
David Hung: This has meaningful implications for the long-term opportunity for our medicine, especially now, given that based on a recent new analysis presented at AACR, IBTROZI has now extended its median duration of response to 50 months in TKI-naive patients in the pooled results from the pivotal TRUST studies. When patients are treated earlier in the disease course, they are often in a better position to realize increased benefit from a therapy with durable efficacy and generally favorable tolerability. Over time, we believe this can build a larger, longer duration base of active patients on IBTROZI and support more substantial revenue growth. Since launch, our discontinuations have been driven primarily by disease progression in later line patients. This is expected in any oncology launch, as these patients have already progressed through other approved therapies.
Speaker #3: When patients are treated earlier in the disease course, they are often in a better position to realize increased benefit from a therapy with durable efficacy and generally favorable tolerability.
Speaker #3: Over time, we believe this can build a larger, longer-duration base of active patients on Entrosy and support more substantial revenue growth. Since launch, our discontinuations have been driven primarily by disease progression in later-line patients.
Speaker #3: This is expected in any oncology launch as these patients have already progressed through other approved therapies. From the data that we see, discontinuations in earlier-line patients or for adverse events are consistent with clinical trial results and remain relatively low.
David Hung: From the data that we see, discontinuations in earlier line patients or for adverse events are consistent with clinical trial results that remain relatively low. As a reminder, as detailed in IBTROZI's prescribing information, 6.5% of the 337 patients with advanced ROS1-positive NSCLC in our pivotal TRUST studies discontinued therapy due to any adverse reaction. As we have previously presented, only one of these patients, or 0.3%, discontinued treatment due to any of the 6 most common adverse events, including liver enzyme elevations, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, or dizziness. The feedback we continue to receive from both key opinion leaders and our sales organization has been highly consistent.
David Hung: From the data that we see, discontinuations in earlier line patients or for adverse events are consistent with clinical trial results that remain relatively low. As a reminder, as detailed in IBTROZI's prescribing information, 6.5% of the 337 patients with advanced ROS1-positive NSCLC in our pivotal TRUST studies discontinued therapy due to any adverse reaction. As we have previously presented, only one of these patients, or 0.3%, discontinued treatment due to any of the 6 most common adverse events, including liver enzyme elevations, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, or dizziness. The feedback we continue to receive from both key opinion leaders and our sales organization has been highly consistent.
Speaker #3: As a reminder, and as detailed in Entrosy's prescribing information, six and a half percent of the 337 patients with advanced Ross 1 positive NSCLC in our pivotal trust studies discontinued therapy due to any adverse reaction.
Speaker #3: And as we have previously presented, only one of these patients, or 0.3%, discontinued treatment due to any of the six most common adverse events, including liver enzyme elevations, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, or dizziness.
Speaker #3: The feedback we continue to receive from both key opinion leaders and our sales organization has been highly consistent. Physicians are impressed with Entrosy's clinical profile citing the durability and tolerability, and a real-world experience is giving physicians increased confidence to both keep patients on therapy longer and to choose Entrosy when considering a preferred first-line treatment option.
David Hung: Physicians are impressed with IBTROZI's clinical profile, citing the durability and tolerability. Our real-world experience is giving physicians increased confidence to both keep patients on therapy longer and to choose IBTROZI when considering a preferred first-line treatment option. This response further supports our belief in both consensus net revenue estimates for IBTROZI 2026 and its long-term potential. We are also encouraged by the addition of IBTROZI to the latest CNS NCCN guidelines as a systemic therapy option for ROS1-positive NSCLC patients with brain metastases. We believe this is an important recognition of IBTROZI's demonstrated intracranial activity and further supports its differentiated position in the ROS1 treatment landscape. Turning to our recent abstracts and publications, we were thrilled to present updated pooled results from the August 2025 data cutoff of the TRUST-I and TRUST-II studies at the American Association for Cancer Research Congress, or AACR.
David Hung: Physicians are impressed with IBTROZI's clinical profile, citing the durability and tolerability. Our real-world experience is giving physicians increased confidence to both keep patients on therapy longer and to choose IBTROZI when considering a preferred first-line treatment option. This response further supports our belief in both consensus net revenue estimates for IBTROZI 2026 and its long-term potential. We are also encouraged by the addition of IBTROZI to the latest CNS NCCN guidelines as a systemic therapy option for ROS1-positive NSCLC patients with brain metastases. We believe this is an important recognition of IBTROZI's demonstrated intracranial activity and further supports its differentiated position in the ROS1 treatment landscape. Turning to our recent abstracts and publications, we were thrilled to present updated pooled results from the August 2025 data cutoff of the TRUST-I and TRUST-II studies at the American Association for Cancer Research Congress, or AACR.
Speaker #3: This response further supports our belief in both consensus net revenue estimates for Entrosy in 2026 and its long-term potential. We are also encouraged by the addition of Entrosy to the latest CNS NCCN guidelines as a systemic therapy option for Ross 1 positive NSCLC patients with brain metastases.
Speaker #3: We believe this is an important recognition of Entrosy's demonstrated intracranial activity and further supports its differentiated position in the ROS1 treatment landscape. Turning to our recent abstracts and publications, we were thrilled to present updated, pooled results from the August 2025 data cutoff of the TRUST-1 and TRUST-2 studies at the American Association of Cancer Research Congress, or AACR.
Speaker #3: These updated data continue to reinforce the strength of Entrosy's profile. In TKI naive patients in Trust 1, as recently published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology, median duration of response and median progression-free survival have both now increased to approximately 50 months or more than four years.
David Hung: These updated data continued to reinforce the strength of taletrectinib's profile. In TKI-naive patients in TRUST-I, as recently published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology, median duration of response and median progression-free survival have both now increased to approximately 50 months or more than 4 years. As presented at AACR in TKI pretreated patients, the median duration of response was nearly 20 months in TRUST-II, and the overall survival in the pooled TKI pretreated population showed a median of nearly 30 months, which is unprecedented in this space. With this longer follow-up, taletrectinib continued to demonstrate a manageable and consistent safety profile, including low rates of neurologic adverse events and no new safety signals. We believe these durability data matter not only clinically, but commercially.
David Hung: These updated data continued to reinforce the strength of taletrectinib's profile. In TKI-naive patients in TRUST-I, as recently published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology, median duration of response and median progression-free survival have both now increased to approximately 50 months or more than 4 years. As presented at AACR in TKI pretreated patients, the median duration of response was nearly 20 months in TRUST-II, and the overall survival in the pooled TKI pretreated population showed a median of nearly 30 months, which is unprecedented in this space. With this longer follow-up, taletrectinib continued to demonstrate a manageable and consistent safety profile, including low rates of neurologic adverse events and no new safety signals. We believe these durability data matter not only clinically, but commercially.
Speaker #3: As presented at AACR, in TKI pre-treated patients, the median duration of response was nearly 20 months in TRUST-2, and the overall survival in the pooled TKI pre-treated population showed a median of nearly 30 months, which is unprecedented in this space.
Speaker #3: And with this longer follow-up, Entrosy continues to demonstrate a manageable and consistent safety profile, including lower rates of neurologic adverse events and no new safety signals.
Speaker #3: We believe these durability data matter not only clinically, but commercially. Drugs that combine deep and durable efficacy with a favorable tolerability profile are well-positioned to become the therapy of choice for TKI-naive patients, and that is exactly the trend we are seeing in our launch.
David Hung: Drugs that combine deep and durable efficacy with a favorable tolerability profile are well-positioned to become the therapy of choice for TKI-naive patients. That is exactly the trend we are seeing in our launch. With approximately 3 years of follow-up in the pooled analysis and more than 4 years of follow-up in TRUST-I, we believe these data further supports taletrectinib as an effective, durable, and tolerable treatment option for patients living with advanced ROS1-positive NSCLC. At AACR, we also presented preclinical data which continues to build on our broader scientific understanding of taletrectinib's differentiated profile. As I discussed on our last earnings call, taletrectinib is designed to achieve deep and durable inhibition of ROS1 while maintaining measured activity against TRK-B. Our presentation showed 2 important points. First, taletrectinib has nearly complete coverage of ROS1 fusions at clinically relevant concentrations and is effective against ROS1 re-resistance mutations.
David Hung: Drugs that combine deep and durable efficacy with a favorable tolerability profile are well-positioned to become the therapy of choice for TKI-naive patients. That is exactly the trend we are seeing in our launch. With approximately 3 years of follow-up in the pooled analysis and more than 4 years of follow-up in TRUST-I, we believe these data further supports taletrectinib as an effective, durable, and tolerable treatment option for patients living with advanced ROS1-positive NSCLC. At AACR, we also presented preclinical data which continues to build on our broader scientific understanding of taletrectinib's differentiated profile. As I discussed on our last earnings call, taletrectinib is designed to achieve deep and durable inhibition of ROS1 while maintaining measured activity against TRK-B. Our presentation showed 2 important points. First, taletrectinib has nearly complete coverage of ROS1 fusions at clinically relevant concentrations and is effective against ROS1 re-resistance mutations.
Speaker #3: With approximately three years of follow-up in the pooled analysis, and more than four years of follow-up in Trust 1, we believe these data further supports Entrosy as an effective, durable, and tolerable treatment option for patients living with advanced Ross 1 positive NSCLC.
Speaker #3: At AACR, we also presented preclinical data, which continues to build on our broader scientific understanding of Entrosy's differentiated profile. As I discussed on our last earnings call, Entrosy is designed to achieve deep and durable inhibition of ROS1 while maintaining measured activity against TREC-B.
Speaker #3: Our presentation showed two important points. First, tell TREC that it has nearly complete coverage of Ross 1 fusions at clinically relevant concentrations and is effective against Ross 1 resistance mutations.
Speaker #3: Second, tell TREC that it has partial, yet biologically meaningful, inhibition of TREC-B, while being sufficiently balanced to avoid significant CNS-related adverse events, as seen in our clinical trials and real-world experience.
David Hung: Second, taletrectinib has partial yet biologically meaningful inhibition of TRK-B while being sufficiently balanced to avoid significant CNS-related adverse events as seen in our clinical trials and real-world experience. Of note, in the same experiment, a TRK-B sparing agent failed to control tumor migration and markers of invasion and metastases, which were well-controlled by taletrectinib. These data support the concept that some degree of TRK-B inhibition may be required to inhibit systemic progression, prevent the migration of lung cancer cells, and protect against metastases to the brain. This analysis showed that our medicine may have a mechanistic profile which we believe leads to a potential impact on tumor invasiveness and metastatic behavior in patients while limiting neurologic adverse events.
David Hung: Second, taletrectinib has partial yet biologically meaningful inhibition of TRK-B while being sufficiently balanced to avoid significant CNS-related adverse events as seen in our clinical trials and real-world experience. Of note, in the same experiment, a TRK-B sparing agent failed to control tumor migration and markers of invasion and metastases, which were well-controlled by taletrectinib. These data support the concept that some degree of TRK-B inhibition may be required to inhibit systemic progression, prevent the migration of lung cancer cells, and protect against metastases to the brain. This analysis showed that our medicine may have a mechanistic profile which we believe leads to a potential impact on tumor invasiveness and metastatic behavior in patients while limiting neurologic adverse events.
Speaker #3: Of note, in the same experiment, a TREC-B sparing agent failed to control tumor migration and markers of invasion and metastases, which were well controlled by taltrectin.
Speaker #3: These data support the concept that some degree of TREC-B inhibition may be required to inhibit systemic progression, to prevent the migration of lung cancer cells, and to protect against metastases to the brain.
Speaker #3: This analysis showed that our medicine may have a mechanistic profile, which we believe leads to a potential impact on tumor invasiveness and metastatic behavior in patients.
Speaker #3: While limiting neurologic adverse events, this balanced approach and ability to prevent resistance could ultimately play an important role in the long-term, durable control of ROS1-positive lung cancer, as demonstrated in Entrosy's median progression-free survival of over four years.
David Hung: This balanced approach and ability to prevent resistance could ultimately play an important role in the long-term durable control of ROS1-positive lung cancer, as demonstrated in ivosidenib's median progression-free survival of over four years. At ASCO in June, we will be presenting additional data from our TRUST program on patient-reported outcomes and our ongoing TRUST-IV study in the adjuvant setting. Turning to safusidenib, we remain very excited about the potential of this program and the opportunity it represents for patients with IDH1 mutant glioma. Beyond its potential clinical importance, we believe safusidenib could address a broad segment of the glioma market and therefore represent a meaningful long-term value opportunity for the company.
David Hung: This balanced approach and ability to prevent resistance could ultimately play an important role in the long-term durable control of ROS1-positive lung cancer, as demonstrated in ivosidenib's median progression-free survival of over four years. At ASCO in June, we will be presenting additional data from our TRUST program on patient-reported outcomes and our ongoing TRUST-IV study in the adjuvant setting. Turning to safusidenib, we remain very excited about the potential of this program and the opportunity it represents for patients with IDH1 mutant glioma. Beyond its potential clinical importance, we believe safusidenib could address a broad segment of the glioma market and therefore represent a meaningful long-term value opportunity for the company.
Speaker #3: At ASCO in June, we will be presenting additional data from our TRUST program on patient-reported outcomes and our ongoing TRUST-4 study in the adjuvant setting.
Speaker #3: Turning to Saclisitinib, we remain very excited about the potential of this program and the opportunity it represents for patients with IDH1 mutant glioma. Beyond its potential clinical importance, we believe Saclisitinib could address a broad segment of the glioma market and therefore represent a meaningful long-term value opportunity for the company.
Speaker #3: Saclisitinib is currently being evaluated in the ongoing phase III SIGMA study for the maintenance treatment of patients with IDH1 mutant astrocytoma who have high-risk features following standard of care, and in a non-pivotal cohort with grade III oligodendroglioma following surgery.
David Hung: Sacucatinib is currently being evaluated in the ongoing Phase 3 SIGMA study for the maintenance treatment of patients with IDH1 mutant astrocytoma who have high-risk features following standard of care and in a non-pivotal cohort with grade 3 oligodendroglioma following surgery. In Phase 1 and Phase 2 single-arm studies, sacucatinib has shown very encouraging efficacy signals, including durable responses and prolonged progression-free survival across both low and high-grade IDH1 mutant gliomas. We think about the glioma market as a pie with 4 parts: low-grade, low risk; low-grade, high risk; high-grade, low risk; and high-grade, high-risk tumors. Today, the only approved glioma drug, vorasidenib, is approved in the low-grade, low-risk glioma setting, and prior data have shown limited activity in enhancing our high-risk, high-grade tumors.
David Hung: Sacucatinib is currently being evaluated in the ongoing Phase 3 SIGMA study for the maintenance treatment of patients with IDH1 mutant astrocytoma who have high-risk features following standard of care and in a non-pivotal cohort with grade 3 oligodendroglioma following surgery. In Phase 1 and Phase 2 single-arm studies, sacucatinib has shown very encouraging efficacy signals, including durable responses and prolonged progression-free survival across both low and high-grade IDH1 mutant gliomas. We think about the glioma market as a pie with 4 parts: low-grade, low risk; low-grade, high risk; high-grade, low risk; and high-grade, high-risk tumors. Today, the only approved glioma drug, vorasidenib, is approved in the low-grade, low-risk glioma setting, and prior data have shown limited activity in enhancing our high-risk, high-grade tumors.
Speaker #3: In phase I and phase II single-arm studies, Saclisitinib has shown very encouraging efficacy signals including durable responses and prolonged progression-free survival across both low and high-grade IDH1 mutant gliomas.
Speaker #3: We think about the glioma market as a pie with four parts: low-grade, low-risk; low-grade, high-risk; high-grade, low-risk; and high-grade, high-risk tumors. Today, the only approved glioma drug, Voresitinib, is approved in the low-grade, low-risk glioma setting, and prior data have shown limited activity in enhancing or high-risk, high-grade tumors.
Speaker #3: In contrast, Saclisitinib has shown significant activity in clinical studies across all four subgroups of IDH1 mutant glioma. The Saclisitinib sigma pivotal trial will target three of the four pieces of the glioma pie.
David Hung: In contrast, sacucatinib has shown significant activity in clinical studies across all 4 subgroups of IDH1 mutant glioma. The sacucizumab SIGMA pivotal trial will target 3 of the 4 pieces of the glioma pie, enrolling high-grade, high-risk, high-grade low-risk, and low-grade high-risk IDH1 mutant glioma patients. We're also exploring potential studies to further develop sacucizumab in the final piece of the pie, low-grade, low-risk glioma, and we'll provide an update on our plans later this year. I'd also like to highlight that a November 2025 publication in Neuro-Oncology summarized the phase 2 study of sacucizumab patients with chemotherapy and radiotherapy-naive grade 2 IDH1 mutant gliomas as of a 10 March 2023 data cutoff. Strikingly, as of February 2026, 12 of the 27 patients evaluated in this study remained on treatment with a median follow-up of more than 5 years.
David Hung: In contrast, sacucatinib has shown significant activity in clinical studies across all 4 subgroups of IDH1 mutant glioma. The sacucizumab SIGMA pivotal trial will target 3 of the 4 pieces of the glioma pie, enrolling high-grade, high-risk, high-grade low-risk, and low-grade high-risk IDH1 mutant glioma patients. We're also exploring potential studies to further develop sacucizumab in the final piece of the pie, low-grade, low-risk glioma, and we'll provide an update on our plans later this year. I'd also like to highlight that a November 2025 publication in Neuro-Oncology summarized the phase 2 study of sacucizumab patients with chemotherapy and radiotherapy-naive grade 2 IDH1 mutant gliomas as of a 10 March 2023 data cutoff. Strikingly, as of February 2026, 12 of the 27 patients evaluated in this study remained on treatment with a median follow-up of more than 5 years.
Speaker #3: Enrolling high-grade, high-risk; high-grade, low-risk; and low-grade, high-risk IDH1 mutant glioma patients. We're also exploring potential studies to further develop Saclisitinib in the final piece of the pie—low-grade, low-risk glioma—and will provide an update on our plans later this year.
Speaker #3: I'd also like to highlight that a November 2025 publication in NeuroOncology summarized the phase II study of Saclisitinib patients with chemotherapy and radiotherapy naive grade II IDH1 mutant gliomas as of a March 10, 2023 data cutoff.
Speaker #3: Strikingly, as of February 2026, 12 of the 27 patients evaluated in this study remained on treatment with a median follow-up of more than five years.
Speaker #3: We believe these data continue to support the potential of Saclisitinib in patient populations with significant unmet need and limited or no FDA-approved targeted treatment options.
David Hung: We believe these data continue to support the potential of sacucizumab in patient populations with significant unmet need and limited or no FDA-approved targeted treatment options. In April, we acquired exclusive rights to sacucizumab in Japan from our partner, Daiichi Sankyo. With that agreement now complete, we plan to expand the pivotal Phase 3 SIGMA study into Japan, continue to advance the global development program, and pursue presentation and publication of longer-term Phase 2 data so the scientific community remains current on these findings. We remain on track to provide an update on our drug-drug conjugate platform by the end of the year. The Q1 confirmed important points for our 2026 outlook. We are seeing solid new patient demand, improving mix toward first-line use, and continued confirmation of IBTROZI's encouraging efficacy and tolerability profile in the real world.
David Hung: We believe these data continue to support the potential of sacucizumab in patient populations with significant unmet need and limited or no FDA-approved targeted treatment options. In April, we acquired exclusive rights to sacucizumab in Japan from our partner, Daiichi Sankyo. With that agreement now complete, we plan to expand the pivotal Phase 3 SIGMA study into Japan, continue to advance the global development program, and pursue presentation and publication of longer-term Phase 2 data so the scientific community remains current on these findings. We remain on track to provide an update on our drug-drug conjugate platform by the end of the year. The Q1 confirmed important points for our 2026 outlook. We are seeing solid new patient demand, improving mix toward first-line use, and continued confirmation of IBTROZI's encouraging efficacy and tolerability profile in the real world.
Speaker #3: Importantly, in April, we acquired exclusive rights to Saclisitinib in Japan from our partner, Daiichi Sankyo. With that agreement now complete, we plan to expand the pivotal phase III sigma study into Japan to continue to advance the global development program and pursue presentation and publication of longer-term phase II data so the scientific community remains current on these findings.
Speaker #3: Finally, we remain on track to provide an update on our drug-drug conjugate platform by the end of the year. Overall, the first quarter confirmed important points for our 2026 outlook.
Speaker #3: We are seeing solid new patient demand, improving mix toward first-line use, and continued confirmation of Entrosy's encouraging efficacy and tolerability profile in the real world.
Speaker #3: We believe these trends position Entrosy well for long-term success while we continue to advance a broader pipeline designed to address significant patient needs and create additional future value.
David Hung: We believe these trends position IBTROZI well for long-term success while we continue to advance a broader pipeline designed to address significant patient needs and create additional future value. With that, I'll turn the call over to Colleen.
David Hung: We believe these trends position IBTROZI well for long-term success while we continue to advance a broader pipeline designed to address significant patient needs and create additional future value. With that, I'll turn the call over to Colleen.
Speaker #3: With that, I'll turn the call over to Colleen.
Speaker #1: Thank you, David, and hello, everyone. We continue to see strong momentum in the launch of Entrosy, and we are particularly encouraged by what we have accomplished in just three quarters.
Colleen Sjogren: Thank you, David. Hello, everyone. We continue to see strong momentum in the launch of IBTROZI, and we are particularly encouraged by what we have accomplished in just 3 Q, especially when viewed against relevant targeted therapy launch analogs. Based on our internal data, we have generated more new patient starts than the prior ROS1 launches combined over the same time period. We believe this early success reflects the compelling clinical profile of IBTROZI and the focused execution of our commercial team. In addition, it represents a strong foundation for long-term value creation. As David mentioned, new patient starts remained robust at approximately 200 for Q3 in a row, and this included a greater proportion of patients initiating treatment in the first-line setting.
Colleen Sjogren: Thank you, David. Hello, everyone. We continue to see strong momentum in the launch of IBTROZI, and we are particularly encouraged by what we have accomplished in just 3 Q, especially when viewed against relevant targeted therapy launch analogs. Based on our internal data, we have generated more new patient starts than the prior ROS1 launches combined over the same time period. We believe this early success reflects the compelling clinical profile of IBTROZI and the focused execution of our commercial team. In addition, it represents a strong foundation for long-term value creation. As David mentioned, new patient starts remained robust at approximately 200 for Q3 in a row, and this included a greater proportion of patients initiating treatment in the first-line setting.
Speaker #1: Especially when viewed against relevant targeted therapy launch analogs. Based on our internal data, we have generated more new patient starts than the prior Ross 1 launches combined over the same time period.
Speaker #1: We believe this early success reflects the compelling clinical profile of Entrosy and the focused execution of our commercial team. In addition, it represents a strong foundation for long-term value creation.
Speaker #1: As David mentioned, new patient starts remained robust at approximately 200 for the third quarter in a row, and this included a greater proportion of patients initiating treatment in the first-line setting.
Speaker #1: Importantly, our internal data sources indicate that, for the first time, over half of new patient starts in the quarter were TKI-naive, compared to approximately 30% in the first full quarter following launch.
Colleen Sjogren: Importantly, our internal data sources indicate that for the first time, over half of new patient starts in the quarter were TKI naive, compared to approximately 30% in the first full quarter following launch. This continued shift from later line to front-line use is one of the clearest indicators of the strength of the launch and is in line with what we would expect based on typical uptake trends with new oncology agents. This gives us confidence in IBTROZI's long-term trajectory because these patients respond at a higher rate, have the potential to remain on therapy for years, and contribute to a more durable, active patient base over time. This dynamic is also important in understanding the discontinuation patterns we have observed, as we are encouraged by how IBTROZI's clinical profile has translated to the commercial setting.
Colleen Sjogren: Importantly, our internal data sources indicate that for the first time, over half of new patient starts in the quarter were TKI naive, compared to approximately 30% in the first full quarter following launch. This continued shift from later line to front-line use is one of the clearest indicators of the strength of the launch and is in line with what we would expect based on typical uptake trends with new oncology agents.
Speaker #1: This continued shift from later line to front-line use is one of the clearest indicators of the strength of the launch and is in line with what we would expect based on typical uptake trends with new oncology agents.
Speaker #1: This gives us confidence in Entrosy's long-term trajectory because these patients respond at a higher rate. Have the potential to remain on therapy for years, and contribute to a more durable, active patient base over time.
Colleen Sjogren: This gives us confidence in IBTROZI's long-term trajectory because these patients respond at a higher rate, have the potential to remain on therapy for years, and contribute to a more durable, active patient base over time. This dynamic is also important in understanding the discontinuation patterns we have observed, as we are encouraged by how IBTROZI's clinical profile has translated to the commercial setting.
Speaker #1: This dynamic is also important in understanding the discontinuation patterns we have observed. As we are encouraged by how Entrosy's clinical profile has translated to the commercial setting.
Speaker #1: Discontinuations continue to be concentrated among later-line patients, which is expected given the more advanced disease in this population and exposure to multiple prior therapies.
Colleen Sjogren: Discontinuations continue to be concentrated among later-line patients, which is expected given the more advanced disease in this population and exposure to multiple prior therapies. As we discussed last quarter, most discontinuations are driven by disease progression in later-line patients rather than tolerability. This dynamic can introduce some variability in near-term revenue even when new patient demand is steady. Importantly, adverse event-related discontinuations remain low and in line with what we observed in clinical trials, reinforcing the strong overall clinical profile of IBTROZI, including its favorable tolerability. Taken together, these observations, along with feedback from both patients and physicians, reinforce our view that IBTROZI is well-positioned to serve patients across the ROS1 lung cancer treatment landscape and has not changed our view of the potential for IBTROZI in this setting.
Colleen Sjogren: Discontinuations continue to be concentrated among later-line patients, which is expected given the more advanced disease in this population and exposure to multiple prior therapies. As we discussed last quarter, most discontinuations are driven by disease progression in later-line patients rather than tolerability. This dynamic can introduce some variability in near-term revenue even when new patient demand is steady.
Speaker #1: As we discussed last quarter, most discontinuations are driven by disease progression in later-line patients rather than tolerability. This dynamic can introduce some variability in near-term revenue even when new patient demand is steady.
Colleen Sjogren: Importantly, adverse event-related discontinuations remain low and in line with what we observed in clinical trials, reinforcing the strong overall clinical profile of IBTROZI, including its favorable tolerability. Taken together, these observations, along with feedback from both patients and physicians, reinforce our view that IBTROZI is well-positioned to serve patients across the ROS1 lung cancer treatment landscape and has not changed our view of the potential for IBTROZI in this setting.
Speaker #1: Importantly, adverse event-related discontinuations remain low and in line with what we observed in clinical trials. Reinforcing the strong overall clinical profile of Entrosy including its favorable tolerability.
Speaker #1: Taken together, these observations, along with feedback from both patients and physicians, reinforce our view that Entrosy is well-positioned to serve patients across the Ross 1 lung cancer treatment landscape.
Speaker #1: And has not changed our view of the potential for Entrosy in this setting. This increasing strength in patient mix and positive real-world feedback on Entrosy's treatment profile is matched by expanding adoption across both academic and community settings.
Colleen Sjogren: This increasing strength in patient mix and positive real-world feedback on IBTROZI's treatment profile is matched by expanding adoption across both academic and community settings. We are especially encouraged by the pace of uptake we are seeing, particularly given that ROS1 is a rare disease and the prescriber base is relatively broad. Our commercial efforts continue to translate into strong physician awareness, which we believe is a meaningful indicator of successful launch execution. Based on our most recent market research, aided awareness of IBTROZI among target physicians has reached 97%, underscoring the breadth of our commercial reach and the growing visibility of IBTROZI in the market. We understand that academic and community customers have different needs, and we have been deliberate in aligning our commercial strategy with the distinct value drivers for each setting.
Colleen Sjogren: This increasing strength in patient mix and positive real-world feedback on IBTROZI's treatment profile is matched by expanding adoption across both academic and community settings. We are especially encouraged by the pace of uptake we are seeing, particularly given that ROS1 is a rare disease and the prescriber base is relatively broad. Our commercial efforts continue to translate into strong physician awareness, which we believe is a meaningful indicator of successful launch execution.
Speaker #1: We are especially encouraged by the pace of uptake we are seeing. Particularly given that Ross 1 is a rare disease and the prescriber base is relatively broad.
Speaker #1: Our commercial efforts continue to translate into strong physician awareness which we believe is a meaningful indicator of successful launch execution. Based on our most recent market research, aided awareness of Entrosy among target physicians has reached 97%, underscoring the breadth of our commercial reach and the growing visibility of Entrosy in the market.
Colleen Sjogren: Based on our most recent market research, aided awareness of IBTROZI among target physicians has reached 97%, underscoring the breadth of our commercial reach and the growing visibility of IBTROZI in the market. We understand that academic and community customers have different needs, and we have been deliberate in aligning our commercial strategy with the distinct value drivers for each setting.
Speaker #1: We understand that academic and community customers have different needs, and we have been deliberate in aligning our commercial strategy with the distinct value drivers for each setting.
Speaker #1: As a result, 100% of the top 50 historical TKI accounts in the country have prescribed Entrosy. Our broad account adoption is another important indicator of launch strength.
Colleen Sjogren: As a result, 100% of the top 50 historical TKI accounts in the country have prescribed IBTROZI. Our broad account adoption is another important indicator of launch strength. When paired with favorable placement on pathways and formularies, it reinforces our belief that institutions recognize the differentiated clinical profile of IBTROZI. We believe the launch progress we have seen to date also reflects the strength of a team that knows how to win in targeted oncology. We are seeing our efforts translate into meaningful account and physician traction. The result, an appreciation for the durability that IBTROZI has to offer and the openness to partnering with Nuvation Bio. Taken together, we believe this positions us well to continue building momentum and capture the full ROS1 market over time.
Colleen Sjogren: As a result, 100% of the top 50 historical TKI accounts in the country have prescribed IBTROZI. Our broad account adoption is another important indicator of launch strength. When paired with favorable placement on pathways and formularies, it reinforces our belief that institutions recognize the differentiated clinical profile of IBTROZI.
Speaker #1: And when paired with favorable placement on pathways and formularies, it reinforces our belief that institutions recognize the differentiated clinical profile of Entrosy. We believe the launch progress we have seen to date also reflects the strength of a team that knows how to win, in targeted oncology.
Colleen Sjogren: We believe the launch progress we have seen to date also reflects the strength of a team that knows how to win in targeted oncology. We are seeing our efforts translate into meaningful account and physician traction. The result, an appreciation for the durability that IBTROZI has to offer and the openness to partnering with Nuvation Bio. Taken together, we believe this positions us well to continue building momentum and capture the full ROS1 market over time.
Speaker #1: We are seeing our efforts translate into meaningful accounts and physician traction. The result? An appreciation for the durability that Entrosy has to offer, and openness to partnering with Innovation Bio.
Speaker #1: Taken together, we believe this position does well to continue building momentum and capture the full ROS1 market over time. Lastly, we believe there is meaningful opportunity to increase the number of ROS1-positive patients who are diagnosed and treated with a ROS1 TKI today.
Colleen Sjogren: Lastly, we believe there is meaningful opportunity to increase the number of ROS1-positive patients who are diagnosed and treated with a ROS1 TKI today. Publications and data from the field suggest there should be approximately 3,000 patients with advanced ROS1-positive non-small cell lung cancer diagnosed annually in the US based on DNA testing. As the field shifts to using RNA and DNA-based testing together, which may detect an additional 30% of fusions, the annual addressable population could expand to approximately 4,000 patients. Unfortunately, although effective testing is better in most academic centers, it is currently significantly lower in parts of the community, including below 50% in some centers. To combat this, we have implemented several initiatives to partner with and educate the community on the importance of testing for oncogenic drivers.
Colleen Sjogren: Lastly, we believe there is meaningful opportunity to increase the number of ROS1-positive patients who are diagnosed and treated with a ROS1 TKI today. Publications and data from the field suggest there should be approximately 3,000 patients with advanced ROS1-positive non-small cell lung cancer diagnosed annually in the US based on DNA testing. As the field shifts to using RNA and DNA-based testing together, which may detect an additional 30% of fusions, the annual addressable population could expand to approximately 4,000 patients. Unfortunately, although effective testing is better in most academic centers, it is currently significantly lower in parts of the community, including below 50% in some centers. To combat this, we have implemented several initiatives to partner with and educate the community on the importance of testing for oncogenic drivers.
Speaker #1: Publications and data from the field suggest there should be approximately 3,000 patients with advanced ROS1-positive non-small cell lung cancer diagnosed annually in the US based on DNA testing.
Speaker #1: As the field shifts to using RNA and DNA-based testing together, which may detect an additional 30% of fusions, the annual addressable population could expand to approximately 4,000 patients.
Speaker #1: Unfortunately, although effective testing is better in most academic centers, it is currently significantly lower in parts of the community. Including below 50% in some centers.
Speaker #1: To combat this, we have implemented several initiatives to partner with and educate the community on the importance of testing for oncogenic drivers. We strongly believe all patients should have the opportunity to benefit from the prolonged durability and high response rates Entrosy has shown in the first-line setting.
Colleen Sjogren: We strongly believe all patients should have the opportunity to benefit from the prolonged durability and high response rates IBTROZI has shown in the first-line setting, consistent with the NCCN guidelines issued last year. Improving patient identification is the right thing to do for patients and will be a key driver of long-term value for Nuvation Bio. Overall, we are encouraged by the level of demand we are seeing, the shift towards earlier line use, and the strength of the launch execution to date. The medical community recognizes that IBTROZI's long durability gives physicians an important tool and offers patients the potential for long-lasting benefit with a generally favorable safety profile so they can stay on therapy for years. With an experienced commercial team, a clear strategy, and disciplined execution across the launch, we believe we are well-positioned to continue building momentum and support the long-term success of IBTROZI.
Colleen Sjogren: We strongly believe all patients should have the opportunity to benefit from the prolonged durability and high response rates IBTROZI has shown in the first-line setting, consistent with the NCCN guidelines issued last year. Improving patient identification is the right thing to do for patients and will be a key driver of long-term value for Nuvation Bio. Overall, we are encouraged by the level of demand we are seeing, the shift towards earlier line use, and the strength of the launch execution to date. The medical community recognizes that IBTROZI's long durability gives physicians an important tool and offers patients the potential for long-lasting benefit with a generally favorable safety profile so they can stay on therapy for years. With an experienced commercial team, a clear strategy, and disciplined execution across the launch, we believe we are well-positioned to continue building momentum and support the long-term success of IBTROZI.
Speaker #1: Consistent with the NCCN guidelines issued last year, improving patient identification is the right thing to do for patients and will be a key driver of long-term value for Innovation Bio.
Speaker #1: Overall, we are encouraged by the level of demand we are seeing, the shift towards earlier-line use, and the strength of the launch execution to date.
Speaker #1: The medical community recognizes that Entrosy's long durability gives physicians an important tool and offers patients the potential for long-lasting benefit with a generally favorable safety profile so they can stay on therapy for years.
Speaker #1: With an experienced commercial team, a clear strategy, and disciplined execution across the launch, we believe we are well-positioned to continue building momentum and support the long-term success of Entrosy.
Speaker #1: Now I'll turn it over to Philippe.
Colleen Sjogren: Now I'll turn it over to Philippe.
Colleen Sjogren: Now I'll turn it over to Philippe.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Colleen. And good afternoon, everyone. For detailed first quarter 2026 financials, please refer to our earnings press release, which is available on our website.
Philippe Sauvage: Thanks, Colleen, and good afternoon, everyone. For detailed Q1 2026 financials, please refer to our earnings press release, which is available on our website. Now I will highlight a few key points from the quarter. In the first quarter, we generated $83.2 million in total revenue, including $18.5 million in IBTROZI net US product revenue. This represents 18% growth in net product revenue from the prior quarter, which was not only driven by yet another quarter of about 200 new patient starts, but importantly, from a growing population of active patients remaining on IBTROZI due to increasing frontline use. As you can see on this slide, the number of patients starting IBTROZI in the last 3 quarters has been consistent.
Philippe Sauvage: Thanks, Colleen, and good afternoon, everyone. For detailed Q1 2026 financials, please refer to our earnings press release, which is available on our website. Now I will highlight a few key points from the quarter. In the first quarter, we generated $83.2 million in total revenue, including $18.5 million in IBTROZI net US product revenue. This represents 18% growth in net product revenue from the prior quarter, which was not only driven by yet another quarter of about 200 new patient starts, but importantly, from a growing population of active patients remaining on IBTROZI due to increasing frontline use. As you can see on this slide, the number of patients starting IBTROZI in the last 3 quarters has been consistent.
Speaker #2: Now, I will allow a few key points from the quarter. In the first quarter, we generated 83.2 million dollars in total revenue including 18.5 million dollars in Entrosy net US product revenue.
Speaker #2: This represents 18% growth in net product revenue from the prior quarter which was not only driven by yet another quarter of about 200 new patient starts, but importantly, from a growing population of active patients, remaining on Entrosy due to increasing frontline use.
Speaker #2: As you can see on this slide, the number of patients starting Entrosy in the last three quarters has been consistent. However, due to the percentage of first-line patients increasing from approximately 30% in the third quarter last year to approximately 40% in the fourth quarter last year, to now more than 50%, net product revenue has grown from $7.7 million to $15.7 million to now $18.5 million.
Philippe Sauvage: However, due to the percentage of first-line patients increasing from approximately 30% in Q3 last year to approximately 40% in Q4 last year to now more than 50%, net product revenue has grown from $7.7 million to $15.7 million to now $18.5 million, in spite of an expected uptick in gross-to-net. We expect this trend to continue and also expect the number of new patient starts to increase as more US physicians become aware of IBTROZI and testing rates in the community continue to improve. As previously mentioned, our long-term success will be driven by the exceptional duration of response to IBTROZI in the first-line setting, and we are pleased that a growing number of TKI-naive patients have started on medicine since the early months of our launch.
Philippe Sauvage: However, due to the percentage of first-line patients increasing from approximately 30% in Q3 last year to approximately 40% in Q4 last year to now more than 50%, net product revenue has grown from $7.7 million to $15.7 million to now $18.5 million, in spite of an expected uptick in gross-to-net. We expect this trend to continue and also expect the number of new patient starts to increase as more US physicians become aware of IBTROZI and testing rates in the community continue to improve. As previously mentioned, our long-term success will be driven by the exceptional duration of response to IBTROZI in the first-line setting, and we are pleased that a growing number of TKI-naive patients have started on medicine since the early months of our launch.
Speaker #2: In spite of an expected uptick in growth net. We expect this trend to continue and also expect the number of new patient starts to increase as more US physicians become aware of Entrosy and testing rates in the community continue to improve.
Speaker #2: As previously mentioned, our long-term success will be driven by the exceptional duration of response to Entrosy in the first-line setting. And we are pleased that the growing number of TKI-native patients has started our medicine since the early months of our launch.
Speaker #2: This trend, combined with our ability to grow revenue despite later-line patients dropping off Entrosy, demonstrates the potential impact of revenue stacking going forward. Lastly, as I noted, while we did see an expected uptick in growth-related discount at the start of the year, we still expect our growth-related expansion to gradually stabilize from here.
Philippe Sauvage: This trend, combined with our ability to grow revenue despite later-line patients dropping off IBTROZI, demonstrates the potential impact of revenue stacking going forward. Lastly, as I noted, while we did see an expected uptick in gross-to-net discount at the start of the year, we still expect our gross-to-net expansion to gradually stabilize from here. In addition to product revenue, we recognized $64.7 million in collaboration and license revenue in the quarter, including an upfront payment of nearly $60 million from Eisai pursuant to our partnership, which was announced in January. We also received approximately $1.7 million in royalty payments from our partnerships in Japan and China, both of which are exceeding initial expectations on a new patient start and net revenue basis.
Philippe Sauvage: This trend, combined with our ability to grow revenue despite later-line patients dropping off IBTROZI, demonstrates the potential impact of revenue stacking going forward. Lastly, as I noted, while we did see an expected uptick in gross-to-net discount at the start of the year, we still expect our gross-to-net expansion to gradually stabilize from here. In addition to product revenue, we recognized $64.7 million in collaboration and license revenue in the quarter, including an upfront payment of nearly $60 million from Eisai pursuant to our partnership, which was announced in January. We also received approximately $1.7 million in royalty payments from our partnerships in Japan and China, both of which are exceeding initial expectations on a new patient start and net revenue basis.
Speaker #2: In addition to product revenue, we recognize $64.7 million in collaboration and license revenue in the quarter, including an upfront payment of nearly $60 million from ASI pursuant to our partnership, which was announced in January.
Speaker #2: We also received approximately $1.7 million in royalty payments from our partnerships in Japan and China, both of which are exceeding initial expectations on a new patient start and net revenue basis.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, teletrack today was listed in China's National Reimbursement Drug List or NRDL in January, and since then, sales from innovants launch have increased rapidly.
Philippe Sauvage: As a reminder, ponatuxumab was listed in China's National Reimbursement Drug List, or NRDL, in January. Since then, sales from Innovance launch have increased rapidly. We believe this significant commercial uptake is due to a greater appreciation for effective testing in China and also believe this rate of adoption will translate to the US market as patient identification improves over time. We continue to invest in our business and in our programs, resulting in total operating expenses of $73.5 million for the quarter. R&D expenses were $35 million, driven by increased investments in the SIGMA and TRUST clinical studies. SG&A expenses were $38.3 million, primarily driven by commercialization activities. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $533.7 million in cash equivalents, and marketable securities.
Philippe Sauvage: As a reminder, ponatuxumab was listed in China's National Reimbursement Drug List, or NRDL, in January. Since then, sales from Innovance launch have increased rapidly. We believe this significant commercial uptake is due to a greater appreciation for effective testing in China and also believe this rate of adoption will translate to the US market as patient identification improves over time. We continue to invest in our business and in our programs, resulting in total operating expenses of $73.5 million for the quarter. R&D expenses were $35 million, driven by increased investments in the SIGMA and TRUST clinical studies. SG&A expenses were $38.3 million, primarily driven by commercialization activities. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $533.7 million in cash equivalents, and marketable securities.
Speaker #2: We believe this significant commercial uptake is due to a greater appreciation for effective testing in China, and also believe this rate of adoption will translate to the US market as patient identification improves over time.
Speaker #2: We continue to invest in our business and in our programs resulting in total operating expenses of 73.5 million for the quarter. R&D expenses were 35 million dollars driven by increased investment in the Sigma and Trust Clinical Studies and SGN expenses were 38.3 million dollars primarily driven by commercialization activities.
Speaker #2: Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with 533.7 million dollars in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities. In addition, 50 million dollars remains available under our existing term loan agreement with Sagar Healthcare Partners through June 30th.
Philippe Sauvage: In addition, $50 million remains available under our existing term loan agreement with Sagard Healthcare Partners through 30 June. We also expect to receive a milestone payment of approximately $30 million from Eisai upon the approval of IBTROZI in Europe in H1 2027. Lastly, on the business development front, we announced our partnership with Eisai in January to commercialize IBTROZI in Europe and other territories outside of China and Japan, which we discussed on our previous earnings call. In April, we also announced an agreement with Daiichi Sankyo to acquire rights to safusidenib in Japan. This transaction made sense to us from a strategic and financial perspective, as it allowed us to fully secure global rights to safusidenib, including ownership of all clinical data and rights to future publications and data generation, without changing our expected cash burn rate.
Philippe Sauvage: In addition, $50 million remains available under our existing term loan agreement with Sagard Healthcare Partners through 30 June. We also expect to receive a milestone payment of approximately $30 million from Eisai upon the approval of IBTROZI in Europe in H1 2027. Lastly, on the business development front, we announced our partnership with Eisai in January to commercialize IBTROZI in Europe and other territories outside of China and Japan, which we discussed on our previous earnings call. In April, we also announced an agreement with Daiichi Sankyo to acquire rights to safusidenib in Japan. This transaction made sense to us from a strategic and financial perspective, as it allowed us to fully secure global rights to safusidenib, including ownership of all clinical data and rights to future publications and data generation, without changing our expected cash burn rate.
Speaker #2: We also expect to receive a milestone payment of approximately 30 million dollars from ASI upon the approval of Entrosy in Europe in the first half of 2027.
Speaker #2: Lastly, on the business development front, we announced our partnership with ASI in January to commercialize Entrosy in Europe and other territories outside of China and Japan.
Speaker #2: Which we discussed on our previous earnings call. In April, we also announced an agreement with Daiichi Sankyo to acquire rights to separate the name in Japan.
Speaker #2: This transaction made sense to us from a strategic and financial perspective as it allowed us to fully secure global rights to separate the name including ownership of all clinical data and rights to virtual publications and data generation.
Speaker #2: Without changing our expected cash revenue, acquiring full global rights will reinforce our speed of execution and now allow us to expand our commercial reach to Japan.
Philippe Sauvage: Acquiring full global rights will reinforce our speed of execution and now allow us to expand our commercial reach to Japan. I'd like to thank Daiichi Sankyo for their efforts in developing safusidenib and for their confidence in us to take the program forward toward potential global regulatory approvals. Overall, our capital position continues to provide us with the flexibility to support the IBTROZI launch, advance our pipeline, and evaluate additional strategic opportunities, all while maintaining a disciplined approach to spending. We continue to believe we are well-positioned to execute on our priorities without the need for additional external financing, given our current revenue trajectory and operating plan. I now turning back to David for closing remarks.
Philippe Sauvage: Acquiring full global rights will reinforce our speed of execution and now allow us to expand our commercial reach to Japan. I'd like to thank Daiichi Sankyo for their efforts in developing safusidenib and for their confidence in us to take the program forward toward potential global regulatory approvals. Overall, our capital position continues to provide us with the flexibility to support the IBTROZI launch, advance our pipeline, and evaluate additional strategic opportunities, all while maintaining a disciplined approach to spending. We continue to believe we are well-positioned to execute on our priorities without the need for additional external financing, given our current revenue trajectory and operating plan. I now turning back to David for closing remarks.
Speaker #2: I'd like to thank Aichi Sankyo for their efforts in developing separate the name and for their confidence in us to take the program forward to our potential global regulatory approvals.
Speaker #2: Overall, our capital position continues to provide us with the flexibility to support the Entrosy launch advance our pipeline and evaluate additional strategic opportunities all while maintaining a disciplined approach to spending.
Speaker #2: We continue to believe we are well positioned to execute on our priorities without the need for additional external financing given our current review trajectory and operating plan.
Speaker #2: And no turning back to David for closing remarks.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Philippe. As we move through 2026, we remain focused on disciplined execution, continuing to build on the momentum of the launch, advancing our clinical and scientific understanding of Entrosy, and progressing our broader pipeline.
David Hung: Thanks, Philippe. As we move through 2026, we remain focused on disciplined execution, continuing to build on the momentum of the launch, advancing our clinical and scientific understanding of IBTROZI, and progressing our broader pipeline. I want to thank our team for their continued commitment and our investigators, partners, shareholders, and most importantly, patients and their families for their ongoing support. I'll now ask the operator to open the line for questions.
David Hung: Thanks, Philippe. As we move through 2026, we remain focused on disciplined execution, continuing to build on the momentum of the launch, advancing our clinical and scientific understanding of IBTROZI, and progressing our broader pipeline. I want to thank our team for their continued commitment and our investigators, partners, shareholders, and most importantly, patients and their families for their ongoing support. I'll now ask the operator to open the line for questions.
Speaker #3: I want to thank our team for their continued commitment, and our investigators, partners, shareholders, and most importantly, patients and their families for their ongoing support.
Speaker #3: And I'll ask the operator to open the line for questions.
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Speaker #4: Thank you. Congress on the Progress and thank you for taking my question. Can you comment on whether the growing first-line patients that are coming from the academic or the community settings?
Farzin Haque: Thank you. Congrats on the progress, and thank you for taking my question. Can you comment on whether the growing first-line patients are coming from the academic or the community settings? Then, what specific educational field force initiatives are being implemented to accelerate adoption in the high-volume community settings?
Farzin Haque: Thank you. Congrats on the progress, and thank you for taking my question. Can you comment on whether the growing first-line patients are coming from the academic or the community settings? Then, what specific educational field force initiatives are being implemented to accelerate adoption in the high-volume community settings?
Speaker #4: And then, what specific educational field force initiatives are being implemented to accelerate adoption in the high-volume community settings?
Speaker #5: Hey, Farzin. It's Colleen. I'll take that one. So, you may have heard—I mean, I mentioned that, first of all, we're very encouraged. We have about 97% awareness right now across, and this is uniform adoption of Entrosy across both academic and community.
Colleen Sjogren: Hey, Farzin, it's Colleen. I'll take that one. You may have heard me mention that first of all, we're very encouraged. We have about 97% awareness right now, you know, across. This is uniform adoption of IBTROZI across both academic and community. Most importantly, when we look at it historically, the top ROS1 accounts, which we have a historical list of about 50 of those accounts, 100% of them, in fact, have prescribed. We're seeing broad adoption across all channels, academic, IDN, and community. Really, we believe that just speaks directly to the oncologists that are driven by the clinical evidence and IBTROZI's TRUST data. It's so compelling that in each channel we're seeing really good uptake and adoption. On your second question, you asked about specific initiatives.
Colleen Sjogren: Hey, Farzin, it's Colleen. I'll take that one. You may have heard me mention that first of all, we're very encouraged. We have about 97% awareness right now, you know, across. This is uniform adoption of IBTROZI across both academic and community. Most importantly, when we look at it historically, the top ROS1 accounts, which we have a historical list of about 50 of those accounts, 100% of them, in fact, have prescribed. We're seeing broad adoption across all channels, academic, IDN, and community. Really, we believe that just speaks directly to the oncologists that are driven by the clinical evidence and IBTROZI's TRUST data. It's so compelling that in each channel we're seeing really good uptake and adoption. On your second question, you asked about specific initiatives.
Speaker #5: And most importantly, when we look at historically, the top rough one accounts, which we have a historical list of about 50 of those accounts, 100% of them in fact have prescribed.
Speaker #5: So, we're seeing broad adoption across all channels: academic, IBN, and community. And really, we believe that that just speaks directly to the oncologists who are driven by the clinical evidence and Entrosy's trust data.
Speaker #5: It's so compelling that in each channel, we're seeing really, really good uptake and adoption. And on your second question, you asked about specific initiatives.
Speaker #5: Are you talking about adoption there? Do you want me to go in more of that? Which kind of initiatives are you looking for me to answer?
Colleen Sjogren: Are you talking about adoption there? Do you want me to go in more of that? Which kind of initiatives are you looking for me to answer?
Colleen Sjogren: Are you talking about adoption there? Do you want me to go in more of that? Which kind of initiatives are you looking for me to answer?
Speaker #4: Right. Adoption and basically use over the chemo IO agents.
Farzin Haque: Right. Adoption and basically use over the chemo IO agents.
Farzin Haque: Right. Adoption and basically use over the chemo IO agents.
Speaker #5: Yeah. I would say that one of the things, Farzin, that we really are focused on is testing rates. And this is a real challenge, and I'll say that we're not dismissive of it, but we're also not passive about this. The gap between, really, academic and community testing is very well documented, and frankly, in some of the community centers, we're seeing testing rates that still remain below 50%.
Colleen Sjogren: Yeah. you know, I would say that one of the things, Farzin, that we really are focused on is testing rates. you know, this is a real challenge, I'll say that we're not dismissive of it, but we're also not passive about this. The gap between really academic and community testing is very well documented. And frankly, in some of the community centers, we're seeing testing rates that still remain below 50%. In our opinion, that's unacceptable from a patient care standpoint, and it represents just a really meaningful community opportunity. What really gives us confidence is that we do have a targeted strategy in place. We're partnering directly with community oncology practices.
Colleen Sjogren: Yeah. you know, I would say that one of the things, Farzin, that we really are focused on is testing rates. you know, this is a real challenge, I'll say that we're not dismissive of it, but we're also not passive about this. The gap between really academic and community testing is very well documented. And frankly, in some of the community centers, we're seeing testing rates that still remain below 50%. In our opinion, that's unacceptable from a patient care standpoint, and it represents just a really meaningful community opportunity. What really gives us confidence is that we do have a targeted strategy in place. We're partnering directly with community oncology practices.
Speaker #5: So in our opinion, that's unacceptable from a patient care standpoint. And it represents just a really meaningful community opportunity. So what really gives us confidence is that we do have a targeted strategy in place.
Speaker #5: So we're partnering directly with community oncology practices or investing in a lot of educational initiatives and we're also directly working with testing platforms to make sure that in fact comprehensive molecular testing is the standard of care and not the exception.
Colleen Sjogren: We're investing in a lot of educational initiatives, and we're also directly working with testing platforms to make sure that, in fact, comprehensive molecular testing is the standard of care and not the exception. We believe in this market. We believe in the size of the market. We do believe, and have acknowledged that we have an issue with testing that we're addressing directly.
Colleen Sjogren: We're investing in a lot of educational initiatives, and we're also directly working with testing platforms to make sure that, in fact, comprehensive molecular testing is the standard of care and not the exception. We believe in this market. We believe in the size of the market. We do believe, and have acknowledged that we have an issue with testing that we're addressing directly.
Speaker #5: So, we believe in this market. We believe in the size of the market. We do believe, and have acknowledged, that we have an issue with testing that we're addressing directly.
Speaker #3: Hi, Farzin. This is David. Just to add a little more precision to the question you asked: the use—getting first-line patients—really depends on them being diagnosed.
David Hung: Hi, Farzin. This is David. Just to add a little more precision to the question you asked. You know, the use getting first-line patients really depends on them being diagnosed. As Colleen mentioned, while we have great awareness in both community and academic centers, testing rates are higher currently in academic centers than community centers, and therefore, the diagnosis of new patients are right now higher in academic centers because that's where more testing is being done. We've already seen significant improvement in multiple community centers, and we are very heartened by that improvement in testing rates and the awareness that there's a drug that's, you know, highly efficacious, durable, and well-tolerated to use when those diagnoses are made. We're pretty excited about this change we've seen in first-line percentage.
David Hung: Hi, Farzin. This is David. Just to add a little more precision to the question you asked. You know, the use getting first-line patients really depends on them being diagnosed. As Colleen mentioned, while we have great awareness in both community and academic centers, testing rates are higher currently in academic centers than community centers, and therefore, the diagnosis of new patients are right now higher in academic centers because that's where more testing is being done. We've already seen significant improvement in multiple community centers, and we are very heartened by that improvement in testing rates and the awareness that there's a drug that's, you know, highly efficacious, durable, and well-tolerated to use when those diagnoses are made. We're pretty excited about this change we've seen in first-line percentage.
Speaker #3: And as Colleen mentioned, while we have great awareness in both community and academic centers, the testing rates are higher currently in academic centers than community centers.
Speaker #3: And therefore, the diagnosis of new patients is right now higher in academic centers, because that's where more testing is being done. We've already seen significant improvement in multiple community centers, and we are very heartened by that improvement in testing rates and the awareness that there's a drug that's highly efficacious, durable, and well tolerated to use.
Speaker #3: When those diagnoses are made. So we're pretty excited about this change. We've seen in first-line percentage as we mentioned, 20 or 30 percent in the first quarter after launch to about 40% now to over 50%.
David Hung: As we mentioned, you know, 20% or 30% in Q1 after launch to about 40% now to over 50%, you know, that's a pretty exciting growth trajectory for us because we think that's gonna allow us to meet our consensus, you know, guidelines for the year if that were to continue.
David Hung: As we mentioned, you know, 20% or 30% in Q1 after launch to about 40% now to over 50%, you know, that's a pretty exciting growth trajectory for us because we think that's gonna allow us to meet our consensus, you know, guidelines for the year if that were to continue.
Speaker #3: That's a pretty exciting growth trajectory for us because we think that's going to allow us to meet our consensus guidelines for the year if that were to continue.
Speaker #4: Thank you so much. Congress.
Farzin Haque: Thank you so much. Congrats.
Farzin Haque: Thank you so much. Congrats.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Leonid Timashev with RBC Capital Market. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your next question comes from the line of Leonid Timashev with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Leonid Timashev with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Thanks, guys, for taking my question. I wanted to follow up on that a little bit. Just maybe trying to better understand the dynamic of the new patient starts.
Leonid Timashev: Thanks, guys, for taking my question. I wanted to follow up on that a little bit. Just maybe trying to better understand the dynamic of the new patient starts. I mean, it seems like it's been 200 for the past 3 quarters. You know, you've laid out a lot of, you know, reasons why there should be growing awareness, better testing, but I guess I'm just trying to better understand why that hasn't pulled through into more new patient starts yet. You know, for example, why you aren't, you know, seeing why the proportion is changing towards first line, but you're not necessarily also seeing more of the later line patients coming on as well. I mean, whether there's a bottleneck somewhere, if this is something that can be helped by expanding the sales force then, you know, hitting more prescribers.
Leonid Timashev: Thanks, guys, for taking my question. I wanted to follow up on that a little bit. Just maybe trying to better understand the dynamic of the new patient starts. I mean, it seems like it's been 200 for the past 3 quarters. You know, you've laid out a lot of, you know, reasons why there should be growing awareness, better testing, but I guess I'm just trying to better understand why that hasn't pulled through into more new patient starts yet. You know, for example, why you aren't, you know, seeing why the proportion is changing towards first line, but you're not necessarily also seeing more of the later line patients coming on as well. I mean, whether there's a bottleneck somewhere, if this is something that can be helped by expanding the sales force then, you know, hitting more prescribers.
Speaker #4: I mean, it seems like it's been 200 for the past three quarters. And you've laid out a lot of reasons why there should be growing awareness, better testing.
Speaker #4: But I guess I'm just trying to better understand why that hasn't pulled through into more new patient starts yet for example, why you aren't seeing why the proportion is changing towards first line, but you're not necessarily also seeing more of the later-line patients coming on as well.
Speaker #4: I mean, whether there's a bottleneck somewhere, if this is something that can be helped by expanding the sales force and hitting more prescribers—just if you can talk about the dynamic, that'd be great.
Leonid Timashev: You know, just if you can talk about the dynamic, that'd be great. Thank you.
Leonid Timashev: You know, just if you can talk about the dynamic, that'd be great. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Yeah. It's a great question, but the main reason is because remember in our early quarters of our launch, we're getting mainly late-line patients, third-line, fourth-line, fifth-line patients.
David Hung: That. It's a great question, but the main reason is because remember, in our early quarters of our launch, we're getting mainly late-line patients, third line, fourth line, fifth line patients. Those patients can discontinue therapy in literally a month or two. When you see very late line patients, they drop out very quickly, unfortunately, to pursue other therapies or they unfortunately pass away. The reason that you see right now what appears to be a plateau, it's not. It's just that the late line patients are dropping out very quickly. We're getting new line patients, but those are incidents. Remember that the prevalence pool has already been diagnosed, so when they enter the study, they're much easier to find because they've already had a ROS1 diagnosis.
David Hung: That. It's a great question, but the main reason is because remember, in our early quarters of our launch, we're getting mainly late-line patients, third line, fourth line, fifth line patients. Those patients can discontinue therapy in literally a month or two. When you see very late line patients, they drop out very quickly, unfortunately, to pursue other therapies or they unfortunately pass away. The reason that you see right now what appears to be a plateau, it's not. It's just that the late line patients are dropping out very quickly. We're getting new line patients, but those are incidents. Remember that the prevalence pool has already been diagnosed, so when they enter the study, they're much easier to find because they've already had a ROS1 diagnosis.
Speaker #3: Those patients can discontinue therapy in literally a month or two. And when you see very late-line patients, they drop out very quickly unfortunately to pursue other therapies or they unfortunately pass away.
Speaker #3: So the reason that you see right now what appears to be a plateau, it's not. It's just that the late-line patients are dropping out very quickly.
Speaker #3: We're getting new-line patients, but those are incidents. Remember that the prevalence pool has already been diagnosed. So, when they enter the study, they're much easier to find because they've already had a ROS1 diagnosis.
Speaker #3: They've already been on a therapy, but they don't stay on very long and they drop out very quickly. The new patients are newly diagnosed.
David Hung: They've already been on a therapy, but they don't stay on very long, and they drop out very quickly. The new patients are newly diagnosed. I mean, the first line patients have to be newly diagnosed, and that's an incidence pool, which obviously takes longer time. When you see what's happening now, the fact that we're getting from 30% to 40% to now over 50% first line, we are finding those first line patients, but the third, fourth, fifth line patients are dropping off rapidly. That should stabilize because eventually we're going to deplete that whole pool. In fact, we think we've already captured a significant amount of the late line patients. Now that's why we're really focused on first line.
David Hung: They've already been on a therapy, but they don't stay on very long, and they drop out very quickly. The new patients are newly diagnosed. I mean, the first line patients have to be newly diagnosed, and that's an incidence pool, which obviously takes longer time. When you see what's happening now, the fact that we're getting from 30% to 40% to now over 50% first line, we are finding those first line patients, but the third, fourth, fifth line patients are dropping off rapidly. That should stabilize because eventually we're going to deplete that whole pool. In fact, we think we've already captured a significant amount of the late line patients. Now that's why we're really focused on first line.
Speaker #3: I mean, the first-line patients have to be newly diagnosed and that's an incidence pool which obviously takes longer time. So when you see what's happening now, the fact that we're getting from 30% to 40% to now over 50% first-line we are finding those first-line patients.
Speaker #3: But the third, fourth, fifth-line patients are dropping off rapidly. That should stabilize because eventually we're going to deplete that whole pool. In fact, we think we've already captured a significant amount of the late-line patients.
Speaker #3: So now that's why we're really focused on first line. That's all that really matters given the fact that we now have a PFS or DOR of more than four years, 50 months, which is there's no drug even within a year of that.
David Hung: That's all that really matters given the fact that we now have a PFS or DOR of more than 4 years, 50 months, which is, you know. There's no drug even within a year of that. We think that that's gonna lead to revenue stacking that will really start to kick in, and we're just seeing that this year. Even in spite of a quarter with roughly the same number of new patient starts and in spite of an increase in GTN, revenue still went up 18%. We're just starting to see the beginnings of that. But we think that if we were just to keep the same growth rate in first line patients that we've seen from Q3 to Q4 to Q1, we think that we should make our consensus for the year, comfortably.
David Hung: That's all that really matters given the fact that we now have a PFS or DOR of more than 4 years, 50 months, which is, you know. There's no drug even within a year of that. We think that that's gonna lead to revenue stacking that will really start to kick in, and we're just seeing that this year. Even in spite of a quarter with roughly the same number of new patient starts and in spite of an increase in GTN, revenue still went up 18%. We're just starting to see the beginnings of that. But we think that if we were just to keep the same growth rate in first line patients that we've seen from Q3 to Q4 to Q1, we think that we should make our consensus for the year, comfortably.
Speaker #3: We think that that's going to lead to revenue stacking that will really start to kick in, and we're just seeing that this year. So even in spite of a quarter with roughly the same number of new patient starts, and in spite of an increase in GTN, revenue still went up 18%.
Speaker #3: So we're just starting to see the beginnings of that. So we think that if we were just to keep the same growth rate in first-line patients that we've seen in the last from Q3 to Q4, Q4 to Q1, we think that we should make our consensus for the year comfortably.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Kaveri Pullman with ClearStreet. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your next question comes from the line of Kaveri Pohlman with Clear Street. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Kaveri Pohlman with Clear Street. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Kaveri Pohlman: Yes, good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. So maybe a question on, you know, the repeat prescription. I believe any details you can provide on, you know, the previous call mentioned the academic was 70% versus 30% distribution for academic versus community. Today's call also mentioned that 100% of top 50 accounts have prescribed IBTROZI, which I assume are mostly community-based. Any insight you can provide there. If you can also tell us, you know, how this NCCN CNS guideline inclusion helps you get more of the first line adoption. You know, my follow-up question is quick on the previous comments you made regarding lower testing rates in the community setting.
Speaker #5: Yes. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. So maybe a question on the repeat prescription. I believe any details you can provide on the previous poll mentioned the academic was 70% versus 30% distribution for academic versus community.
Kaveri Pohlman: Yes, good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. So maybe a question on, you know, the repeat prescription. I believe any details you can provide on, you know, the previous call mentioned the academic was 70% versus 30% distribution for academic versus community. Today's call also mentioned that 100% of top 50 accounts have prescribed IBTROZI, which I assume are mostly community-based. Any insight you can provide there. If you can also tell us, you know, how this NCCN CNS guideline inclusion helps you get more of the first line adoption. You know, my follow-up question is quick on the previous comments you made regarding lower testing rates in the community setting.
Speaker #5: But today's call also mentioned that 100% of top 50 accounts have prescribed a CROZY, which I assume are mostly community-based. So any insight you can provide there?
Speaker #5: And if you can also tell us how these NCCN and CNS guideline inclusion helps you get more of the first-line adoption. And then my follow-up question is a quick on the previous comments you made regarding lower testing rates in the community setting.
Speaker #5: So, are these rates simply lower because of lack of awareness regarding the importance of testing, or could there be some other hurdles that could take a longer period for changes to happen?
Kaveri Pohlman: Are these rates simply lower because of lack of awareness regarding the importance of testing, or there could be some other hurdles that could take longer period for changes to happen? Thank you.
Kaveri Pohlman: Are these rates simply lower because of lack of awareness regarding the importance of testing, or there could be some other hurdles that could take longer period for changes to happen? Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Speaker #6: Hey, Kaveri. It's Colleen. So what I can tell you, a couple of things that I think we need to keep in mind. So when we look at across these top historical accounts and we're looking at 100% of those 50 accounts have now written we see a much greater I would say usage by community, IDN, and now academic.
Colleen Sjogren: Hey, Kaveri, it's Colleen. What I can tell you, a couple things that I think we need to keep in mind. When we look at across these top historical accounts and we're looking at 100% of those 50 accounts have now written, we see a much greater I would say usage by community, IDN, and now academic. You're right. When we first launched, we saw real fast uptake in the academics. Now we're seeing just as much strength in the uptake across other channels, and especially in the community. You know, one of the things that we've seen when we first launched, obviously the academic oncologists, right? They're driven by the clinical evidence, IBTROZI's trust data speaks to that directly. We look now at the community oncologists and what they need, right?
Colleen Sjogren: Hey, Kaveri, it's Colleen. What I can tell you, a couple things that I think we need to keep in mind. When we look at across these top historical accounts and we're looking at 100% of those 50 accounts have now written, we see a much greater I would say usage by community, IDN, and now academic. You're right. When we first launched, we saw real fast uptake in the academics. Now we're seeing just as much strength in the uptake across other channels, and especially in the community. You know, one of the things that we've seen when we first launched, obviously the academic oncologists, right? They're driven by the clinical evidence, IBTROZI's trust data speaks to that directly. We look now at the community oncologists and what they need, right?
Speaker #6: And you're right. And the first one we first launched, we saw real fast uptake in the academics. Now we're seeing just as much strength in the uptake across other channels.
Speaker #6: And especially in the community. And one of the things that we've seen when we first launched, obviously, the academic oncologists, right, they're driven by the clinical evidence, and a CROZY's trust data speaks to that directly.
Speaker #6: And we look now at the community oncologists and what they need, right? They need the practical support, the reimbursement pathways, patient support programs. And the confidence of their patients can tolerate the therapy over time.
Colleen Sjogren: They need the practical support, the reimbursement pathways, patient support programs, and the confidence of their patients can tolerate the therapy over time. They're now seeing all of that. They're seeing the surround sound of NuvationConnect. They're seeing reimbursement pathways that have now taken effect. They're seeing our patient support programs. We believe that that's directly linked now to the channel of community really increasing their uptake in identifying patients. The other thing you asked about was the testing. You know, one thing I wanna say is that we know that our accounts are increasingly prioritizing the flagging of these mutation statuses. As RNA-based testing continues to gain ground alongside with using DNA, we know that more ROS1-positive patients are starting to be identified each month and every year.
Colleen Sjogren: They need the practical support, the reimbursement pathways, patient support programs, and the confidence of their patients can tolerate the therapy over time. They're now seeing all of that. They're seeing the surround sound of NuvationConnect. They're seeing reimbursement pathways that have now taken effect. They're seeing our patient support programs. We believe that that's directly linked now to the channel of community really increasing their uptake in identifying patients. The other thing you asked about was the testing. You know, one thing I wanna say is that we know that our accounts are increasingly prioritizing the flagging of these mutation statuses. As RNA-based testing continues to gain ground alongside with using DNA, we know that more ROS1-positive patients are starting to be identified each month and every year.
Speaker #6: They're now seeing all of that. They're seeing the surround sound of new patient connect. They're seeing reimbursement pathways that have now taken effect. They're seeing our patient support programs so we believe that that's directly linked now to the channel of community really increasing their uptake and identifying patients.
Speaker #6: The other thing you asked about was the testing. And one thing I want to say is that we know that our accounts are increasingly prioritizing the flagging of these mutation statuses and as RNA-based testing continues to gain ground alongside with using DNA, we know that more ROS1-positive patients are starting to be identified each month and every year.
Speaker #6: So we're laying that groundwork in terms of education, and we know that's now positioning CROZY to benefit as these identification rates improve. So we're seeing the educational part of our efforts really taking traction in the community.
Colleen Sjogren: We're laying that groundwork in terms of education, and we know that's now positioning IBTROZI to benefit as these, you know, identification rates improve. We're seeing the educational part of our efforts really taking traction in the community. I will also say we're educating on effective testing rates, making sure that our oncologists are waiting until they get all the oncogenic driver testing back to make a treatment decision. That's what we talk about influencing effective testing rates.
Colleen Sjogren: We're laying that groundwork in terms of education, and we know that's now positioning IBTROZI to benefit as these, you know, identification rates improve. We're seeing the educational part of our efforts really taking traction in the community. I will also say we're educating on effective testing rates, making sure that our oncologists are waiting until they get all the oncogenic driver testing back to make a treatment decision. That's what we talk about influencing effective testing rates.
Speaker #6: I will also say we're educating on effective testing rates making sure that our oncologists are waiting until they get all the oncogenic driver testing back to make a treatment decision.
Speaker #6: That's what we talk about influencing effective testing rate.
Speaker #3: And Kaveri, let me add one more thing to answer your question about the NCCN and CNS guidelines. The reason that's so important is actually it turns out that one of the most widely used previous TCIs for ROS1 is Crizotinib.
David Hung: Thank you, Verie. Let me add 1 more thing to answer your question about the NCCN CNS guidelines. The reason that's so important is actually it turns out that 1 of the most widely used previous TKIs for ROS1 is crizotinib. Crizotinib doesn't even get into the brain. Now we have guidelines from the NCCN that specifically call out the CNS profile of IBTROZI, and that contrasts even more starkly against crizotinib's complete absence of brain penetration. It as you know, 36% of ROS1 begins in the brain at first diagnosis, and then another 50% will progress in the brain upon first progression. It literally would be medical malpractice to give a drug that is not CNS penetrant.
David Hung: Thank you, Verie. Let me add 1 more thing to answer your question about the NCCN CNS guidelines. The reason that's so important is actually it turns out that 1 of the most widely used previous TKIs for ROS1 is crizotinib. Crizotinib doesn't even get into the brain. Now we have guidelines from the NCCN that specifically call out the CNS profile of IBTROZI, and that contrasts even more starkly against crizotinib's complete absence of brain penetration. It as you know, 36% of ROS1 begins in the brain at first diagnosis, and then another 50% will progress in the brain upon first progression. It literally would be medical malpractice to give a drug that is not CNS penetrant.
Speaker #3: Crizotinib doesn't even get into the brain. Now we have guidelines from the NCCN that specifically call out the CNS profile of MTROZY and that contrasts even more starkly against Crizotinib's complete absence of brain penetration.
Speaker #3: So as you know, 36% of ROS1 begins in the brain at first diagnosis and then another 50% will progress in the brain upon first progression.
Speaker #3: So it literally would be medical malpractice to give a drug that is not CNS penetrant and not only is MTROZY highly CNS penetrant. If you look at our intracranial response rate, even in the second-line setting, even in the most difficult to treat patients, our intracranial response rate is 66%, which is so far the highest recorded intracranial response rate of any TCI in the pre-treated space.
David Hung: Not only is IBTROZI highly CNS penetrant, if you look at our intracranial response rate, even in the second-line setting, even in the most difficult-to-treat patients, our intracranial response rate is 66%, which is so far the highest recorded intracranial response rate of any TKI in the pre-treated space, and that's independent of our unmatched durability and response in the first-line setting. We think that the new NCCN CNS guidelines make it even more imperative that doctors need to give patients the right therapy, which is IBTROZI.
David Hung: Not only is IBTROZI highly CNS penetrant, if you look at our intracranial response rate, even in the second-line setting, even in the most difficult-to-treat patients, our intracranial response rate is 66%, which is so far the highest recorded intracranial response rate of any TKI in the pre-treated space, and that's independent of our unmatched durability and response in the first-line setting. We think that the new NCCN CNS guidelines make it even more imperative that doctors need to give patients the right therapy, which is IBTROZI.
Speaker #3: And that's independent of our unmatched durability and response in the first-line setting. So we think that the new NCCN and CNS guidelines make it even more imperative that doctors need to give patients the right therapy, which is MTROZY.
Speaker #6: And Kaveri, just to add on to that—to put an exclamation point on David's point—we've already received early feedback from HCPs that this will only enhance MTROZY's profile and really impact their treatment decisions.
Colleen Sjogren: Thank you, Verie. Just to add on that, to put an exclamation point on that point by David, we've already received early feedback from HCPs that this will only enhance IBTROZI's profile and really impact their treatment decision.
Colleen Sjogren: Thank you, Verie. Just to add on that, to put an exclamation point on that point by David, we've already received early feedback from HCPs that this will only enhance IBTROZI's profile and really impact their treatment decision.
Speaker #5: Very helpful. This has a lot of exclamation points. Thank you so much.
Kaveri Pohlman: Very helpful. This has a lot of exclamation points. Thank you so much.
Kaveri Pohlman: Very helpful. This has a lot of exclamation points. Thank you so much.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of Gregory Ranza with Truist Security. Your line is now open please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your next question comes from the line of Gregory Renza with Truist Securities. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Gregory Renza with Truist Securities. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Great. Good afternoon, David and team. Congrats on the progress and results today and thanks for taking my question. David, maybe I'll just stay with MTROZY and add another question on this topic.
Gregory Renza: Greg, good afternoon, David and team. Congrats on the progress and results today, thanks for taking my question. David, maybe I'll just stay with IBTROZI and add another question on this topic. A competitor recently presented some data suggesting activity in patients previously treated with taletrectinib, is there. I'm just curious, how would you expect treating physicians to interpret such results? Would you see this influencing sequencing decisions or the positioning with IBTROZI, as compared to competing or potential agents in the market? Thanks so much.
Gregory Renza: Greg, good afternoon, David and team. Congrats on the progress and results today, thanks for taking my question. David, maybe I'll just stay with IBTROZI and add another question on this topic. A competitor recently presented some data suggesting activity in patients previously treated with taletrectinib, is there. I'm just curious, how would you expect treating physicians to interpret such results? Would you see this influencing sequencing decisions or the positioning with IBTROZI, as compared to competing or potential agents in the market? Thanks so much.
Speaker #7: A competitor recently presented some data suggesting activity in patients previously treated with Taltractinib is there. I'm just curious, how would you expect treating physicians to interpret such results?
Speaker #7: Would you see this influencing sequencing decisions or the positioning with MTROZY as compared to competing or potential agents in the market? Thanks so much.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Yeah. I think it actually does have some implications. So first of all, we are delighted that new treatment options are becoming available for patients as they fail therapy.
David Hung: Yeah, I think it actually does have some implications. First of all, you know, we are delighted that new treatment options are becoming available for patients as they fail therapy. If you look at IBTROZI's efficacy with a response rate of 90% and now a PFS of more than 5, more than 4 years, almost 50 months, there is nothing close to it in the first-line space. Taletrectinib's PFS is 36 months, you're still talking about almost a year and a half difference.
David Hung: Yeah, I think it actually does have some implications. First of all, you know, we are delighted that new treatment options are becoming available for patients as they fail therapy. If you look at IBTROZI's efficacy with a response rate of 90% and now a PFS of more than 5, more than 4 years, almost 50 months, there is nothing close to it in the first-line space. Taletrectinib's PFS is 36 months, you're still talking about almost a year and a half difference.
Speaker #3: But if you look at MTROZY's efficacy, with a response rate of 90% and now a PFS of more than 5 almost more than four years, almost 50 months, there is nothing close to it in the first-line space.
Speaker #3: We've been tracking them PFS is 36 months. So you're still talking about almost a year and a half difference. If you look at the second-line setting, now with a DOR approaching at 20 months and again, a response rate in second line of 56% without excluding any oncogenic drivers and an intracranial response rate of 66%, again, without excluding any oncogenic drivers, there are no aids today that can claim any numbers that match those.
David Hung: If you look at the second-line setting, you know, now with our with a DOR approaching 20 months, and again, a response rate in second line of 56% without excluding any oncogenic drivers and an intracranial response rate of 66%, again, without excluding any oncogenic drivers, that there are no agents today that can claim any numbers that match those. When a competitor has data in the third-line setting showing responses after IBTROZI fails in the second-line setting, we're delighted that patients have another option in the third-line setting. I'll refresh your memory. I think the competitor you're referring to actually got breakthrough designation in the third-line setting, while IBTROZI got breakthrough designation in the first and second-line setting.
David Hung: If you look at the second-line setting, you know, now with our with a DOR approaching 20 months, and again, a response rate in second line of 56% without excluding any oncogenic drivers and an intracranial response rate of 66%, again, without excluding any oncogenic drivers, that there are no agents today that can claim any numbers that match those. When a competitor has data in the third-line setting showing responses after IBTROZI fails in the second-line setting, we're delighted that patients have another option in the third-line setting. I'll refresh your memory. I think the competitor you're referring to actually got breakthrough designation in the third-line setting, while IBTROZI got breakthrough designation in the first and second-line setting.
Speaker #3: So when a competitor has data in the third-line setting showing responses after MTROZY fails in the second-line setting, we're delighted that patients have another option in the third-line setting.
Speaker #3: And our refresher memory I think the competitor you're referring to actually got breakthrough designation in the third-line setting while MTROZY got breakthrough designation in the first and second-line setting.
Speaker #3: We think things are playing out the way FDA initially saw them, which is that MTROZY will be used in the first and second-line setting and we think other agents are needed in the third-line setting and we welcome that because that's what patients need.
David Hung: We think things are playing out the way FDA initially saw them, which is that IBTROZI will be used in the first and second-line setting. We think other agents are needed in the third-line setting. We welcome that because that's what patients need.
David Hung: We think things are playing out the way FDA initially saw them, which is that IBTROZI will be used in the first and second-line setting. We think other agents are needed in the third-line setting. We welcome that because that's what patients need.
Speaker #7: That's great. Thanks, David. Appreciate the caller.
Gregory Renza: That's great. Thanks, David. Appreciate the color.
Gregory Renza: That's great. Thanks, David. Appreciate the color.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of Mayank Mantani with B. Reilly. Your line is now open please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your next question comes from the line of Mayank Mamtani with B. Riley. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #8: Yes. Good afternoon, team. Thanks for taking our questions and maybe just to build on the prior point of how MTROZY is being now considered relative to Crizotinib and maybe the entrenched position could be protected with additional market entry.
Mayank Mamtani: Yes. Good afternoon, team. Thanks for taking our questions. Maybe just to build on the prior point of how IBTROZI is being now considered relative to crizotinib, and maybe the entrenched position could be protected with additional market entrants. How much is the development of new CNS meds relevant to the clinicians you talk to? Then if you are able to comment also on the dose interruption reductions that are tracking in the frontline patients versus what you may have seen in the later lines. Then I have a follow-up.
Mayank Mamtani: Yes. Good afternoon, team. Thanks for taking our questions. Maybe just to build on the prior point of how IBTROZI is being now considered relative to crizotinib, and maybe the entrenched position could be protected with additional market entrants. How much is the development of new CNS meds relevant to the clinicians you talk to? Then if you are able to comment also on the dose interruption reductions that are tracking in the frontline patients versus what you may have seen in the later lines. Then I have a follow-up.
Speaker #8: How much is the development of new CNS meds relevant to the clinicians you talk to? And then, if you are able to comment also on the dose interruption reductions that are tracking in the front-line patients versus what you may have seen in the later lines?
Speaker #8: And then I have a follow-up.
Speaker #3: Yeah, so that's a great question. ROS1 non-small cell lung cancer is a really aggressive disease, not only because the tumors grow aggressively, but because of where they go.
David Hung: That's a great question. ROS1 non-small cell lung cancer is a really aggressive disease, not only because the tumors grow aggressively, but because where they go. More than a third of the time, they already are in the brain when you even make your first diagnosis. 50% of the cases, upon progression, the brain is the first site of tumor metastasis. That makes it imperative that you get CNS coverage as quickly as possible with an agent that has proven and long-term efficacy. As I said, the intracranial response rate of IBTROZI in the second-line setting is 66%. The duration of response in the second-line setting is 20 months with the now overall survival of almost 3 years.
David Hung: That's a great question. ROS1 non-small cell lung cancer is a really aggressive disease, not only because the tumors grow aggressively, but because where they go. More than a third of the time, they already are in the brain when you even make your first diagnosis. 50% of the cases, upon progression, the brain is the first site of tumor metastasis. That makes it imperative that you get CNS coverage as quickly as possible with an agent that has proven and long-term efficacy. As I said, the intracranial response rate of IBTROZI in the second-line setting is 66%. The duration of response in the second-line setting is 20 months with the now overall survival of almost 3 years.
Speaker #3: So more than a third of the time, they already are in the brain when you even make your first diagnosis. And in 50% of the cases, upon progression, the brain is the first site of tumor metastasis.
Speaker #3: That makes it imperative that you get CNS coverage as quickly as possible with an agent that has proven and long-term efficacy. As I said, the intracranial response rate of MTROZY in the second-line setting is 66%.
Speaker #3: And our duration of response in the second-line setting is 20 months, with the now overall survival of almost three years. So in the second-line setting, there are no agents today that have published any data that come close to that.
David Hung: In the second-line setting, there are no agents today that have published any data that come close to that. In the first-line setting, it's completely, you know, universal difference. There's no agent remotely within IBTROZI's 90% response rate and 50-month PFS. I, I think CNS is important and because CNS is so important, that's the reason that IBTROZI is being adopted so quickly, especially in the first-line setting, is clinicians know they need an agent that covers the brain. They need to see proven data that this drug has durability, and our 50-month durability is unprecedented. That's the reason that we're getting such adoption in the first-line setting. Also still significant use in the second-line setting. You know, as I said, we've probably captured the majority of patients already in the second-line plus setting.
David Hung: In the second-line setting, there are no agents today that have published any data that come close to that. In the first-line setting, it's completely, you know, universal difference. There's no agent remotely within IBTROZI's 90% response rate and 50-month PFS. I, I think CNS is important and because CNS is so important, that's the reason that IBTROZI is being adopted so quickly, especially in the first-line setting, is clinicians know they need an agent that covers the brain. They need to see proven data that this drug has durability, and our 50-month durability is unprecedented. That's the reason that we're getting such adoption in the first-line setting. Also still significant use in the second-line setting. You know, as I said, we've probably captured the majority of patients already in the second-line plus setting.
Speaker #3: In the first-line setting, it's a completely universal difference. There's no agent remotely within MTROZY's 90% response rate and 50-month PFS. So, I think CNS is important, and because CNS is so important, that's the reason that MTROZY is being adopted so quickly, especially in the first-line setting.
Speaker #3: Clinicians know they need an agent that covers the brain. They need to see proven data that this drug has durability, and our 50-month durability is unprecedented.
Speaker #3: So that's the reason that we're getting such adoption in the first-line setting, and also still significant use in the second-line setting. As I said, we've probably captured the majority of patients already in the second-line-plus setting.
David Hung: I think that, you know, that would be expected, and that's what we're seeing. Now, to get onto your question about discontinuations and interruptions, the great thing about this drug is it's pretty well-tolerated. As we said on the call script, we are not seeing anything new that we haven't seen in the clinical trials. That's really important because the thing you always worry about with any drug is that will real-world experience parallel your clinical trial experience? Oftentimes in the clinical trial experience, when you're under the careful supervision of your principal investigators and, you know, they may control those patients better. Sometimes in the real world setting, you don't see metrics that exactly parallel what you would hope for based on your clinical trial.
Speaker #3: So I think that would be expected, and that's what we're seeing. Now, to get onto your question about discontinuations and interruptions, the great thing about this drug is it's pretty well tolerated, and as we said on the call script, we are not seeing anything new that we haven't seen in the clinical trials.
David Hung: I think that, you know, that would be expected, and that's what we're seeing. Now, to get onto your question about discontinuations and interruptions, the great thing about this drug is it's pretty well-tolerated. As we said on the call script, we are not seeing anything new that we haven't seen in the clinical trials. That's really important because the thing you always worry about with any drug is that will real-world experience parallel your clinical trial experience? Oftentimes in the clinical trial experience, when you're under the careful supervision of your principal investigators and, you know, they may control those patients better. Sometimes in the real world setting, you don't see metrics that exactly parallel what you would hope for based on your clinical trial.
Speaker #3: And that's really important because the thing you always worry about with any drug is that will real-world experience parallel your clinical trial experience. Oftentimes in the clinical trial experience, when you're under the careful supervision of your our principal investigators, and they may control those patients better, so sometimes in the real-world setting, you don't see metrics that exactly parallel what you would hope for based on your clinical trial.
Speaker #3: In our case, we have seen no new developments. What we are really encouraged by is that probability of MTROZY is pretty much exactly what we saw in the clinical trials our dose reduction interruption rates are pretty much what we saw in clinical trials.
David Hung: In our case, we have seen no new developments. What we are really encouraged by is that tolerability of IBTROZI is pretty much exactly what we saw in the clinical trials. Our dose reduction interruption rates are pretty much what we saw in clinical trials. Our efficacy is too early to see now how long these patients will last. We expect them to last 50 months in the first-line setting, 20 months in the second-line setting, just like reflecting clinical trials. Overall, you know, the great news for us is no surprises. We feel very confident in what we're seeing, and what we're hearing from physicians echoes that.
David Hung: In our case, we have seen no new developments. What we are really encouraged by is that tolerability of IBTROZI is pretty much exactly what we saw in the clinical trials. Our dose reduction interruption rates are pretty much what we saw in clinical trials. Our efficacy is too early to see now how long these patients will last. We expect them to last 50 months in the first-line setting, 20 months in the second-line setting, just like reflecting clinical trials. Overall, you know, the great news for us is no surprises. We feel very confident in what we're seeing, and what we're hearing from physicians echoes that.
Speaker #3: Our efficacy is too late or too early to see now how long these patients will last. We expect them to last 50 months in the first-line setting, 20 months in the second-line setting, just reflecting clinical trials.
Speaker #3: So overall, the great news for us is no surprises. We feel very confident in what we're seeing. What we're hearing from physicians echoes that.
Speaker #3: I think that the update that we've seen and the growth in the first-line setting we're seeing are all consistent with the fact that our data in the real-world setting are as good as they were in the clinical trial setting.
David Hung: I think that the uptake that we've seen and the growth in the first-line setting we're seeing are all consistent with the fact that our data in the real-world setting are as good as they were in the clinical trial setting.
David Hung: I think that the uptake that we've seen and the growth in the first-line setting we're seeing are all consistent with the fact that our data in the real-world setting are as good as they were in the clinical trial setting.
Mayank Mamtani: Very helpful, David. Thank you for that comprehensive answer. Then just on a go-forward basis, I understand new patient adds not a very relevant metric. What should we focus on? Should we get more updates on the proportion of, you know, first-line patients? Would you have some information on durability? I understand gross-to-net, you have some thoughts. Just help us think about, you know, the modeling beyond 2026. I understand everyone's focused on 2026, but I just wanted to get some color on how you're thinking about metrics on a go-forward basis. Thank you for taking my question.
Mayank Mamtani: Very helpful, David. Thank you for that comprehensive answer. Then just on a go-forward basis, I understand new patient adds not a very relevant metric. What should we focus on? Should we get more updates on the proportion of, you know, first-line patients? Would you have some information on durability? I understand gross-to-net, you have some thoughts. Just help us think about, you know, the modeling beyond 2026. I understand everyone's focused on 2026, but I just wanted to get some color on how you're thinking about metrics on a go-forward basis. Thank you for taking my question.
Speaker #8: They hopefully they would thank you for that comprehensive answer. And then just on a go-forward basis, I understand new patient ads not a very relevant metric.
Speaker #8: What should we focus on? Should we get more updates on the proportion of first-line patients? Would you have some information on durability? I understand gross genetic you have some thoughts.
Speaker #8: Just help us think about the modeling beyond 2026. And I understand everyone's focused on 2026, but I just wanted to get some color on how you're thinking about metrics on a go-forward basis.
Speaker #8: Thank you for taking the question.
Speaker #3: Yeah. We are very excited by the dynamics there and I think what we've said again and again is that we see a profile which is very similar to our clinical trial, which means that patients, especially first-line patients, will stay on drug for a very long time.
David Hung: Yeah. We are very excited by the dynamic there, and I think what we've said again and again is that we see a profile which is very similar to our clinical trial, which means that patients, especially first-line patients, will stay on board for a very long time. That's why we shared some more information on this because we think this is really the driver of our long-term potential. If you look at our story there in the past two quarters, I mean, we grew this first-line patient number by 35% from Q3 to Q4. We grew again by 35% quarterly to 124. If we keep increasing at that rate, we will beat consensus.
David Hung: Yeah. We are very excited by the dynamic there, and I think what we've said again and again is that we see a profile which is very similar to our clinical trial, which means that patients, especially first-line patients, will stay on board for a very long time. That's why we shared some more information on this because we think this is really the driver of our long-term potential. If you look at our story there in the past two quarters, I mean, we grew this first-line patient number by 35% from Q3 to Q4. We grew again by 35% quarterly to 124. If we keep increasing at that rate, we will beat consensus.
Speaker #3: That we put that's why we shared some more information on this because we think this is really the driver of our long-term potential. And if you look at our story there in the past few quarters, I mean, we grow this first-line patient number by 35% from Q3 to Q4.
Speaker #3: We grew again by roughly 35% from Q1 to Q4. And if we keep increasing at that rate, we will hit consensus. And if we do better than that—if we accelerate further—we will beat consensus.
Speaker #3: So everything there is really happening as we thought it would, which is really, really encouraging. And to the question that I heard earlier about the stability, you can see, well, it's because you have two different mechanisms going on, right?
David Hung: Everything there is really happening as we thought it would, which is really, really encouraging. To the question that I heard earlier about the stability you can see, well, it's because you have, like, two different mechanisms going on, right? You have those first-line patients increasing again and again, as I said, 35% from Q3 to Q4, 35% again Q4 to Q1, and we expect it to keep increasing over time. At the same time, we have this pool of late-line patients where, unfortunately, many of them will not stay on drug. This pool is limited, and that's why this is.
David Hung: Everything there is really happening as we thought it would, which is really, really encouraging. To the question that I heard earlier about the stability you can see, well, it's because you have, like, two different mechanisms going on, right? You have those first-line patients increasing again and again, as I said, 35% from Q3 to Q4, 35% again Q4 to Q1, and we expect it to keep increasing over time. At the same time, we have this pool of late-line patients where, unfortunately, many of them will not stay on drug. This pool is limited, and that's why this is.
Speaker #3: You have those first-line patients increasing again and again—as I said, 35% from Q3 to Q4, 35% again Q4 to Q1—and we expect it to keep increasing over time.
Speaker #3: And at the same time, we have this pool of late-line patients where unfortunately many of them will not stay on drug, but this pool is limited.
Speaker #3: And that's why this is, as a total, relatively stable. But looking ahead and looking forward, really what's important for us is really this buildup of first-line patients.
Philippe Sauvage: As a total, really fairly stable. Looking ahead and looking forward, what's important for us is this buildup of first-line patients. I will keep talking about that because we know that's where is the promise of Imfinzi, incredible tolerability, incredible durability, and all of that together to help patients stay on drug for a long time and to help our sales progress quarter after quarter. That's really what we see. We think that's what's gonna drive our sales forward further. To your point about GTN, I think, again, we hinted about that in our past quarter. Q1, typically because of our price increase, you will have a rise of GTN driven by the fact that Medicaid and 340B price are stable, as we know.
Philippe Sauvage: As a total, really fairly stable. Looking ahead and looking forward, what's important for us is this buildup of first-line patients. I will keep talking about that because we know that's where is the promise of Imfinzi, incredible tolerability, incredible durability, and all of that together to help patients stay on drug for a long time and to help our sales progress quarter after quarter. That's really what we see. We think that's what's gonna drive our sales forward further. To your point about GTN, I think, again, we hinted about that in our past quarter. Q1, typically because of our price increase, you will have a rise of GTN driven by the fact that Medicaid and 340B price are stable, as we know.
Speaker #3: And we'll keep talking about that because we know that's where is the promise of MTROZY incredible tolerability, incredible durability, and all of that together to help patients stay on drug for a long time and to help our cell progress quarter after quarter.
Speaker #3: So that's really what we see. We think that's what's going to drive our cells forward further. And to your point about GTN, I think, again, we hinted about that in our past quarter.
Speaker #3: Q1 typically because of our price increase, you will have a rise of GTN driven by the fact that Medicaid and 340B price are stable, as we know.
Speaker #3: So when you're higher than inflation—and we were—that drives your GTN a little bit higher. You also see in the launch as the 340B use gradually progress a little bit until it stabilized.
Philippe Sauvage: When you are higher than inflation, and we were, that drives your GTN a little bit higher. You also see in the launch as the 340B use gradually progress a little bit until it stabilize. That's typical in oncology launch. For all of these reasons, our GTN has raised a little bit by a few percent this quarter. We still believe it's gonna stabilize, and this is nothing, you know, abnormal there. Again, as I said, no surprise. No surprise on our GTN, no surprise on our patients, no surprise on our OPEX. Everything is happening exactly like we said.
Philippe Sauvage: When you are higher than inflation, and we were, that drives your GTN a little bit higher. You also see in the launch as the 340B use gradually progress a little bit until it stabilize. That's typical in oncology launch. For all of these reasons, our GTN has raised a little bit by a few percent this quarter. We still believe it's gonna stabilize, and this is nothing, you know, abnormal there. Again, as I said, no surprise. No surprise on our GTN, no surprise on our patients, no surprise on our OPEX. Everything is happening exactly like we said.
Speaker #3: That's typically in oncology launch. So for all of these reasons, our GTN has raised a little bit by a few percent this quarter. We still believe it's going to stabilize.
Speaker #3: And this is nothing abnormal there. Again, as I said, no surprise. No surprise in our GTN. No surprise in our patients. No surprise in our OPEX.
Speaker #3: Everything is happening exactly like we said.
Speaker #8: Very helpful. Thank you for that.
Mayank Mamtani: Very helpful. Thank you for that.
Mayank Mamtani: Very helpful. Thank you for that.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Yarin Verber with PD Cohen. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #3: Great, thank you so much, and thanks for all the detail. Just a couple of questions. When—if we're looking at number of patients, let's say that you started each quarter like 30 and then 40, and let's say greater than 50% who are new—it looks like really an increasing number of patients now are going to be sort of in the naive setting, right, or treatment-naive patients.
Yaron Werber: Great. Thank you so much and thanks for all the detail. Just a couple of questions. If we're looking at number of patients, let's say, that you started each quarter, like the 30 and then 40 and let's say greater than 50% who are new, it looks like a really increasing number of patients now are going to be sort of in the naive setting, right? Or treatment ex-naive patients.
Yaron Werber: Great. Thank you so much and thanks for all the detail. Just a couple of questions. If we're looking at number of patients, let's say, that you started each quarter, like the 30 and then 40 and let's say greater than 50% who are new, it looks like a really increasing number of patients now are going to be sort of in the naive setting, right? Or treatment ex-naive patients. Can you give us maybe a sense kind of what percentage of those now are treatment naive as a percentage of the total? Just some thoughts. Gross-to-net, should we sort of assume that you're gonna be in the high 20s, and that's kind of where you're gonna stabilize this year, Philippe? I think it was kind of in the 25% last quarter. Thank you.
Philippe Sauvage: Yeah.
Speaker #3: And so can you give us can you give us maybe a sense kind of what percentage of those now are treatment naive as a percentage of the total?
Yaron Werber: Can you give us maybe a sense kind of what percentage of those now are treatment naive as a percentage of the total? Just some thoughts. Gross-to-net, should we sort of assume that you're gonna be in the high 20s, and that's kind of where you're gonna stabilize this year, Philippe? I think it was kind of in the 25% last quarter. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Just some thoughts. And then, gross to net, should we sort of assume that you're going to be in the high 20s and that's kind of where you're going to stabilize this year fully, or?
Speaker #3: I think it was kind of in the 25% last quarter. Thank you.
Speaker #5: Yeah. So on your first question, yes, that's exactly what you're saying. Increase of first-line patients quarter after quarter, and we expect these first-line patients to come on drug to keep increasing over the year.
Philippe Sauvage: Yeah. On your first question, yes, that's exactly what you're saying. Increase of first-line patients quarter after quarter, and we expect this, you know, first-line patients to come on drug to keep increasing over the year. As I said, if we stay on the same rhythm of plus 35% roughly every quarter, that takes us to consensus. If we go beyond that will help us to beat consensus. That, that's the dynamic here. To your point about patients on drug today, you know we have limitations with our data, so it's kind of hard to answer to that question. You know, you can run your own estimate based on our first-line patients, the very good tolerability profile, plus what we said about late line versus first line. To the point about, I think your second question was about GTN. Yes.
Philippe Sauvage: Yeah. On your first question, yes, that's exactly what you're saying. Increase of first-line patients quarter after quarter, and we expect this, you know, first-line patients to come on drug to keep increasing over the year. As I said, if we stay on the same rhythm of plus 35% roughly every quarter, that takes us to consensus. If we go beyond that will help us to beat consensus. That, that's the dynamic here. To your point about patients on drug today, you know we have limitations with our data, so it's kind of hard to answer to that question. You know, you can run your own estimate based on our first-line patients, the very good tolerability profile, plus what we said about late line versus first line. To the point about, I think your second question was about GTN. Yes.
Speaker #5: As I said, if we stay on the same rhythm of plus 35%, roughly every quarter, that takes us to consensus. If we go beyond that, that will help us to beat consensus.
Speaker #5: So that's the dynamic here. To your point about patients on drug today, you know, we have limitations in our data, so it's kind of hard to answer that question.
Speaker #5: But you can run your own estimate based on our first-line patients, the very good tolerability profile, plus what we said about late-line versus first-line.
Speaker #5: To the point about I think your second question was about GTN. Yes. It's pretty mechanical if you think about it. So you have an increase of 340B and we and if you look at the CPI use, the index rate for inflation between June the time we launched and December, you can see it's pretty much aligned.
Philippe Sauvage: It's, it's pretty mechanical if you think about it. You have a increase of 340B, and if you look at the CPI-U, the index rate for inflation between June, the time we launched, and December, you can see it's pretty much aligned. For all our 340B and Medicaid patients, this basically drive our gross-to-net higher by the amount of our price increase. That makes sense to y'all. If you think about that, yes, we will be around 30, and we expect to stabilize around that level as gradually inflation start to eat on our inflation penalties, if that makes sense. I can elaborate if it's not clear to you. Yeah. That's where we are, and we think again, it's very much aligned with what we said in the previous quarter. Really no surprise there.
Philippe Sauvage: It's, it's pretty mechanical if you think about it. You have a increase of 340B, and if you look at the CPI-U, the index rate for inflation between June, the time we launched, and December, you can see it's pretty much aligned. For all our 340B and Medicaid patients, this basically drive our gross-to-net higher by the amount of our price increase. That makes sense to y'all. If you think about that, yes, we will be around 30, and we expect to stabilize around that level as gradually inflation start to eat on our inflation penalties, if that makes sense. I can elaborate if it's not clear to you. Yeah. That's where we are, and we think again, it's very much aligned with what we said in the previous quarter. Really no surprise there.
Speaker #5: So, for all our 340B and Medicaid patients, this basically drives our gross-to-net higher by the amount of our price increase. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker #5: So if you think about that, yes, we will be around 30 and we expect to stabilize around that level. That's gradually inflation start to eat on our inflation penalties.
Speaker #5: That makes sense. And I can elaborate if it's not clear to you here. So that's where we are, and we think, again, it's very much aligned with what we said in the previous quarter.
Speaker #5: Really no surprise there.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Boris Peaker with JonesTrading. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your next question comes from the line of Boris Peaker with Jones Trading. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Boris Peaker with JonesTrading. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I just want to understand, how does the duration of therapy in some of these first-line patients compare to your expectation based on the clinical trial results?
Boris Peaker: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Just wanna understand, how does the duration of therapy in some of these first-line patients compare to your expectation based on the clinical trial results?
Boris Peaker: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Just wanna understand, how does the duration of therapy in some of these first-line patients compare to your expectation based on the clinical trial results?
Philippe Sauvage: I mean, it's still early now. You know, they're clearly staying on way longer because that's why our revenues are going up, and that's why our, you know, our, as we would expect. You know, we expect them to be on for an average of over 4 years. We won't know until we get to the 4th year. I think we feel very confident that if you look at the discontinuations, as Colleen said earlier, almost all of our discontinuations are from late-line patients, not early-line patients. Just as we would expect.
Speaker #5: So, I mean, it's so early now. They're clearly staying on way longer, because that's why our revenues are going up, and that's why our—as we would for an average of over four years.
David Hung: I mean, it's still early now. You know, they're clearly staying on way longer because that's why our revenues are going up, and that's why our, you know, our, as we would expect. You know, we expect them to be on for an average of over 4 years. We won't know until we get to the 4th year. I think we feel very confident that if you look at the discontinuations, as Colleen said earlier, almost all of our discontinuations are from late-line patients, not early-line patients. Just as we would expect. As we mentioned earlier, you know, side effect profile is exactly aligned, so there's no reason for the side patients to stop the drug.
Speaker #5: So we won't know until we get to the fourth year. But I think we feel very confident that if you look at the discontinuations as Colleen said earlier, almost all of our discontinuations are from late-line patients, not early-line patients.
Speaker #5: Just as we would expect.
Speaker #3: And as we mentioned earlier, side effect profile is exactly aligned. So there is no reason for a scientist to stop the drug.
David Hung: Got-
David Hung: As we mentioned earlier, you know, side effect profile is exactly aligned, so there's no reason for the side patients to stop the drug.
Speaker #6: Got it. And with the recent addition to the NCCN guidelines, is there—can you see an inflection with that? Can you see how much that really benefited, or is that kind of just in the background and it's not something that could be noticed?
Boris Peaker: Got it. With the recently addition to NCCN guidelines, Can you see an inflection with that? Like, can you see how much that really benefited, or is that kind of just in the background, and it's not something that could be noticed?
Boris Peaker: Got it. With the recently addition to NCCN guidelines, Can you see an inflection with that? Like, can you see how much that really benefited, or is that kind of just in the background, and it's not something that could be noticed?
Philippe Sauvage: You know, I think that it's just there's always lag in this stuff. You know, the first NCCN change was a year ago, and it took a while for practices to actually realize that IO is actually contraindicated in this disease. We're just starting to see some practice shifts there. That's, you know, that's a year after that guideline came out. These CNS guidelines are great. The awareness is already pretty high that ROS1 cancer is a brain trophic disease. I think the guidelines, the impact of these guidelines might be appreciated a little bit earlier than the original ones. The IO is a pretty ingrained practice in many centers, but everyone knows that when you get a brain met, you're not gonna do well. I think I'm guessing that the NCCN guidelines will be appreciated maybe a little sooner.
David Hung: You know, I think that it's just there's always lag in this stuff. You know, the first NCCN change was a year ago, and it took a while for practices to actually realize that IO is actually contraindicated in this disease. We're just starting to see some practice shifts there. That's, you know, that's a year after that guideline came out. These CNS guidelines are great. The awareness is already pretty high that ROS1 cancer is a brain trophic disease. I think the guidelines, the impact of these guidelines might be appreciated a little bit earlier than the original ones. The IO is a pretty ingrained practice in many centers, but everyone knows that when you get a brain met, you're not gonna do well. I think I'm guessing that the NCCN guidelines will be appreciated maybe a little sooner.
Speaker #5: I think that it's just there's always lag in this stuff. So the first NCCN change was a year ago and it took a while for practices to actually realize that IO is actually contraindicated in this disease.
Speaker #5: We're just starting to see some practice shifts there. That's a year after that guy came out. So these CNS guidelines are great. The awareness is already pretty high that RAS1 is a brain-tropic disease.
Speaker #5: So I think the guidelines the impact of these guidelines might be appreciated a little bit earlier than the original ones and IO because IO is a pretty ingrained practice in many centers.
Speaker #5: But everyone knows that when you get a brain met, you're not going to do well. So I think I'm guessing that the NCCN guidelines will be appreciated maybe a little sooner.
Philippe Sauvage: It's all good direction for us because everything the NCCN is saying is basically take Imfinzi.
Speaker #5: But it's all good direction for us because everything the NCCN is saying is basically, take it crazy.
David Hung: It's all good direction for us because everything the NCCN is saying is basically take Imfinzi.
Speaker #6: Great. And lastly, do you expect to issue annual sales guidance sometime this year?
Boris Peaker: Great. Lastly, do you expect to issue annual sales guidance sometime this year?
Boris Peaker: Great. Lastly, do you expect to issue annual sales guidance sometime this year?
Speaker #5: I think we're getting to the point where we now have hundreds of patients under our belt and when we see the growth the way we're seeing it, I think we would probably be willing to issue guidance at some point in the future.
David Hung: You know, I think we're getting to the point where we now have hundreds of patients under our belt, and when we see growth the way we're seeing it, I think we would probably be willing to issue guidance at some point in the future.
David Hung: You know, I think we're getting to the point where we now have hundreds of patients under our belt, and when we see growth the way we're seeing it, I think we would probably be willing to issue guidance at some point in the future.
Speaker #6: Great. Thanks for taking my questions.
Boris Peaker: Great. Thanks for taking my questions.
Boris Peaker: Great. Thanks for taking my questions.
David Hung: You're welcome.
David Hung: You're welcome.
Speaker #5: You're welcome.
Speaker #1: Your final question comes from the line of Sylvan Turkin with Citizens Bank. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your final question comes from the line of Silvan Tuerkcan with Citizens JMP. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your final question comes from the line of Silvan Tuerkcan with Citizens Bank. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Hey, how's it going? This is Josh on for Sylvan. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the results here. Seems like we've gotten a lot of color on the CNS efficacy, but maybe could we get the team's perspective on the comparison of palatrectinib and CNS maybe to emerging clinical candidates rather than what's already been approved?
[Analyst] (Citizens JMP): Hey, how's it going? This is Josh on for Silvan. Thanks for taking my questions, and congrats on the results here. Seems like we have gotten a lot of color on the CNS efficacy. Maybe could we get the team's perspective on the comparison of taletrectinib and CNS maybe to emerging clinical candidates rather than what's already been approved? What do we know here? Maybe not to be too repetitive, but how does the CNS NCCN guideline reinforce the benefit here?
[Analyst] (Citizens Bank): Hey, how's it going? This is Josh on for Silvan. Thanks for taking my questions, and congrats on the results here. Seems like we have gotten a lot of color on the CNS efficacy. Maybe could we get the team's perspective on the comparison of taletrectinib and CNS maybe to emerging clinical candidates rather than what's already been approved? What do we know here? Maybe not to be too repetitive, but how does the CNS NCCN guideline reinforce the benefit here?
Speaker #3: What do we know here and maybe not to be too repetitive, but how does the CNS NCCN guideline reinforce the benefit here?
Speaker #5: Well, I mean, the nearest competitor that's not yet approved has so far an intracranial response rate of 45%, while excluding oncogenic drivers. Ours is 21 percentage points higher than that, at 66%, without excluding oncogenic drivers.
David Hung: Well, I mean, the nearest competitor that's not yet approved has so far an intracranial response rate of 45%, all excluding on the genetic drivers. Ours is 21 percentage points higher than that at 6% without excluding on the genetic drivers. That's all I can say about the CNS data that are available today for competitors. If you look at our intracranial responses compared to the approved TKIs, IBTROZI is far higher than that. Even compared to up-and-coming competitors, as I said, there's no one close so far on intracranial response rate in the second line setting.
David Hung: Well, I mean, the nearest competitor that's not yet approved has so far an intracranial response rate of 45%, all excluding on the genetic drivers. Ours is 21 percentage points higher than that at 6% without excluding on the genetic drivers. That's all I can say about the CNS data that are available today for competitors. If you look at our intracranial responses compared to the approved TKIs, IBTROZI is far higher than that. Even compared to up-and-coming competitors, as I said, there's no one close so far on intracranial response rate in the second line setting.
Speaker #5: That's all I can say about the CNS data that are available today for competitors. So, if you look at our intracranial response just compared to the approved AKIs, Imetrosi is far higher than that.
Speaker #5: But even compared to up-and-coming competitors, as I said, there's no one close so far on intracranial response rate in the second-line setting.
Speaker #1: Your next question.
Operator 3: Your next question.
Speaker #3: Oh, great. Thanks.
Speaker #5: Okay.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Yee with UBS. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Yee with UBS. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Yee with UBS. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hey, guys. This is Matt on for Mike. Thanks for squeezing us in. I just wanted to ask a quick one on the IDH1 program.
[Analyst] (UBS): Hey, guys. This is Matt on for Mike. Thanks for squeezing us in. I just wanted to ask a quick one on the IDH1 program. Could you just remind us what the standard of care is there in that high-grade glioma setting? Then speak to what PFS would be clinically meaningful, both, in the broader population and then also on that ORR readout that could come maybe next year in the subset of patients. What would a good result look like, and what could the next steps be in that smaller subset? Just trying to think through any kind of nearer-term milestones for the IDH1 program. Thanks so much.
[Analyst] (UBS): Hey, guys. This is Matt on for Mike. Thanks for squeezing us in. I just wanted to ask a quick one on the IDH1 program. Could you just remind us what the standard of care is there in that high-grade glioma setting? Then speak to what PFS would be clinically meaningful, both, in the broader population and then also on that ORR readout that could come maybe next year in the subset of patients. What would a good result look like, and what could the next steps be in that smaller subset? Just trying to think through any kind of nearer-term milestones for the IDH1 program. Thanks so much.
Speaker #7: Could you just remind us what the standard of care is there in that high-grade glioma setting? And then speak to what PFS would be clinically meaningful both in the broader population and then also on that ORR readout that could come maybe next year in a subset of patients?
Speaker #7: What would a good result look like, and what could next steps be in that smaller subset? And just trying to think through any kind of nearer-term milestones for the IDH1 program.
Speaker #7: Thanks so much.
Speaker #5: So, the SGMA trial is a placebo-controlled study. Given the fact that there's absolutely nothing approved for the management of high-grade glioma, the management of high-grade glioma today is surgery for tumor debulking, radiation, and chemo.
David Hung: You know, the SIGMA trial is a placebo-controlled study. Just given the fact that there's absolutely nothing approved for the management of high-grade glioma, the management of high-grade glioma today is surgery for tumor debulking, radiation, and chemo. As you know, the patients don't do well when they have multiple surgeries. You can't just keep debulking the tumor since it's in the brain. Chemo and radiation are just not effective with very low response rates. For a response rate, we would be looking anything north of 20%. You know, it, we think that anything north of 20% for an indication that has absolutely no other therapies would be certainly a response where we can go to FDA and have a discussion about approval pathway.
David Hung: You know, the SIGMA trial is a placebo-controlled study. Just given the fact that there's absolutely nothing approved for the management of high-grade glioma, the management of high-grade glioma today is surgery for tumor debulking, radiation, and chemo. As you know, the patients don't do well when they have multiple surgeries. You can't just keep debulking the tumor since it's in the brain. Chemo and radiation are just not effective with very low response rates. For a response rate, we would be looking anything north of 20%. You know, it, we think that anything north of 20% for an indication that has absolutely no other therapies would be certainly a response where we can go to FDA and have a discussion about approval pathway.
Speaker #5: And as you know, the patients don't do well when they have multiple surgeries. You can't just keep debulking the tumors into the brain. Chemo and radiation are just not effective, with very, very low response rates.
Speaker #5: So for a response rate, we would be looking at anything north of 20%. We think that anything north of 20% for indication that has absolutely no other therapies would be certainly a response where we would go to FDA and have a discussion about approval pathway.
Speaker #5: So we feel pretty good about that, especially given the data that we've presented so far. For ways, with oligodendroglioma, those are less aggressive than the grade 4 astrocytomas, which are GBM.
David Hung: We feel pretty good about that, especially given the data we've presented so far. For grade 3 oligodendroglioma, those are less aggressive than the grade 4 astrocytomas, which are GBM. We would expect response rates to be even higher because it's a little bit of an easier indication to treat. Again, I would say anything north of 20%, we would think the FDA would be pretty interested given the fact there's nothing even in grade 3 oligodendroglioma. We think anything in that range would be potentially an approvable pathway.
David Hung: We feel pretty good about that, especially given the data we've presented so far. For grade 3 oligodendroglioma, those are less aggressive than the grade 4 astrocytomas, which are GBM. We would expect response rates to be even higher because it's a little bit of an easier indication to treat. Again, I would say anything north of 20%, we would think the FDA would be pretty interested given the fact there's nothing even in grade 3 oligodendroglioma. We think anything in that range would be potentially an approvable pathway.
Speaker #5: So, we would expect response rates to be even higher, because it's a little bit of an easier indication to treat. And again, I would say anything north of 20%—we would think the FDA would be pretty interested, given the fact that there's nothing even in grade 3 oligodendroglioma.
Speaker #5: So we think anything in that range would be, potentially, an approval pathway.
Speaker #1: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to David for closing remarks.
Operator 3: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to David for closing remarks.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to David for closing remarks.
Speaker #5: Well, I just wanted to thank you all for your support. We're really excited about what we are seeing with the Imetrosi launch, and it's gone pretty much as we'd hoped.
David Hung: Well, we just wanted to thank you all for your support. We're really excited about what we are seeing with the IBTROZI launch. It's gone pretty much the way well we'd hoped. You know, we can't wait for our next quarter because we'd love to report our next quarter earnings. We hope that you'll follow up with great enthusiasm. Thank you very much.
David Hung: Well, we just wanted to thank you all for your support. We're really excited about what we are seeing with the IBTROZI launch. It's gone pretty much the way well we'd hoped. You know, we can't wait for our next quarter because we'd love to report our next quarter earnings. We hope that you'll follow up with great enthusiasm. Thank you very much.
Speaker #5: And we continue to we can't wait for our next board because we'd love to report our next quarter earnings and we hope that you'll follow us with great enthusiasm.
Speaker #5: And thank you very much.
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