Q1 2026 Peyto Exploration & Development Corp Earnings Call
Operator 1: Welcome to the Peyto's Q1 2026 Financial Results Conference Call. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Jean-Paul Lachance, President and CEO. Please go ahead.
Operator: Welcome to the Peyto's Q1 2026 Financial Results Conference Call. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Jean-Paul Lachance, President and CEO. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: After this speaker's presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone.
Speaker #1: You will then hear an raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Jaywee Lachance, president and CEO.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Lisa. Good morning, folks, and thanks for joining PEYTO's first quarter 2026 conference call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everybody that all statements made by the company during this call are subject to the same forward-looking disclaimer and advisory set forth in the company's news release issued yesterday.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Thanks, Lisa. Good morning, folks, thanks for joining Peyto's Q1 2026 conference call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everybody that all statements made by the company during this call are subject to the same forward-looking disclaimer and advisory set forth in the company's news release issued yesterday. Here in the room with me, I have Riley Frame, Tavis Carlson, Lee Curran, Todd Burdick, Michael Collens, Derick Czember, Crissy Rafoss, and Mike Rees to answer any questions. Before we begin the quarter, on behalf of the management group, as always, I'd like to thank the entire Peyto team that's both in the office here and in the field for their contributions to a record-breaking quarter. Overall, there's lots going on in the world during the quarter, some of which continues today, of course.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Thanks, Lisa. Good morning, folks, thanks for joining Peyto's Q1 2026 conference call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everybody that all statements made by the company during this call are subject to the same forward-looking disclaimer and advisory set forth in the company's news release issued yesterday. Here in the room with me, I have Riley Frame, Tavis Carlson, Lee Curran, Todd Burdick, Michael Collens, Derick Czember, Crissy Rafoss, and Mike Rees to answer any questions.
Speaker #2: Here in the room with me, I have Riley Frame, Tavis Carlson, Lee Curran, Todd Burdick, Mike Collins, Derek Zember, and Chrissy Rafas and Mike Reese.
Speaker #2: To answer any questions. Before we begin the quarter, on behalf of the management group, as always, I'd like to thank the entire PEYTO team, that's both in the office here and in the field, for their contributions to a record-breaking quarter.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Before we begin the quarter, on behalf of the management group, as always, I'd like to thank the entire Peyto team that's both in the office here and in the field for their contributions to a record-breaking quarter. Overall, there's lots going on in the world during the quarter, some of which continues today, of course. We managed through the chaos with a focus on execution like we always do. The record-breaking quarter I mentioned relates to production, funds from operations, and earnings, both on an absolute basis, but most importantly on a per share basis.
Speaker #2: Overall, there's lots going on in the world during the quarter—some of which continues today, of course. But we managed through the chaos with a focus on execution, like we always do.
Jean-Paul Lachance: We managed through the chaos with a focus on execution like we always do. The record-breaking quarter I mentioned relates to production, funds from operations, and earnings, both on an absolute basis, but most importantly on a per share basis. We spent CAD 150 million in the quarter and still managed to pay down another CAD 89 million of debt, which brings our total debt reduction since the Repsol acquisition in October 2023 down by CAD 275 million. Going forward, Peyto's bigger, stronger, and financially fitter than ever, which means we feel it's time to give a little more back to shareholders with an increase to the dividend. Let's dive into operations first. We're off to a good start this year. We ran 5 rigs through the quarter across all our core areas.
Speaker #2: The record-breaking quarter I mentioned relates to production, funds from operations, and earnings. Both on an absolute basis, but most importantly, on a per-share basis.
Speaker #2: We spent $150 million in the quarter and still managed to pay down another $89 million of debt, which brings our total debt reductions since the Repsol acquisition in October '23 down by 275 million.
Jean-Paul Lachance: We spent CAD 150 million in the quarter and still managed to pay down another CAD 89 million of debt, which brings our total debt reduction since the Repsol acquisition in October 2023 down by CAD 275 million. Going forward, Peyto's bigger, stronger, and financially fitter than ever, which means we feel it's time to give a little more back to shareholders with an increase to the dividend. Let's dive into operations first. We're off to a good start this year. We ran 5 rigs through the quarter across all our core areas.
Speaker #2: Going forward, PEYTO's bigger, stronger, and financially fitter than ever. Which means we feel it's time to give a little more back to shareholders with an increase to the dividend.
Speaker #2: But let's dive into operations first. We're off to a good start this year. We ran five rigs through the quarter across all our core areas.
Speaker #2: We drilled 23 wells in the quarter over a variety of species from the Caridium down to the blue sky. Investing $121 million on well-related costs, that's drilling, completing, equipping, and tying in.
Jean-Paul Lachance: We drilled 23 wells in the quarter over a variety of species, from the Cardium down to the Bluesky. Investing CAD 121 million on well-related costs. That's drilling, completing, equipping, and tying in. The average performance of these wells are tracking closely with the last two years' outcomes, and we're particularly pleased with the latest Cardium drills down in Brazeau. We applied the same drilling and completion strategy that worked so well last year in the Chambers area, this is where we drill a little deeper in the what we call the bioturbated zone to increase drilling rates, rate of penetration, and then complete the longer horizontals with more stages.
Jean-Paul Lachance: We drilled 23 wells in the quarter over a variety of species, from the Cardium down to the Bluesky. Investing CAD 121 million on well-related costs. That's drilling, completing, equipping, and tying in. The average performance of these wells are tracking closely with the last two years' outcomes, and we're particularly pleased with the latest Cardium drills down in Brazeau. We applied the same drilling and completion strategy that worked so well last year in the Chambers area, this is where we drill a little deeper in the what we call the bioturbated zone to increase drilling rates, rate of penetration, and then complete the longer horizontals with more stages.
Speaker #2: The average performance of these wells are cracking closely with the last two years' outcomes and were particularly pleased with the latest Caridium drills down in Brazil.
Speaker #2: We applied the same drilling and completion strategy that worked so well last year in the Chambers area. And this is where we drill a little deeper in the in the what we call the bioturbated zone to increase drilling rates, rate of penetration, and then complete the longer horizontals with more stages.
Jean-Paul Lachance: The gas rates are better, but most importantly, so are the liquids that come from the wellhead, and that's up to about 500 to 600 barrels a day on initial production rates. On the production operations side, we were busy adding additional strategic pipelines in the field to assist with the development program and to optimize production. As always, invest in bettering our plants with equipment and maintenance to extend the life and increase reliability. All told, we invested CAD 26 million in these projects. The balance of the capital spend in Q1 was used to capture another 41 gross sections of land through direct purchases and crown sales at an average attractive rate, a cost of about CAD 200 an acre.
Jean-Paul Lachance: The gas rates are better, but most importantly, so are the liquids that come from the wellhead, and that's up to about 500 to 600 barrels a day on initial production rates. On the production operations side, we were busy adding additional strategic pipelines in the field to assist with the development program and to optimize production. As always, invest in bettering our plants with equipment and maintenance to extend the life and increase reliability. All told, we invested CAD 26 million in these projects. The balance of the capital spend in Q1 was used to capture another 41 gross sections of land through direct purchases and crown sales at an average attractive rate, a cost of about CAD 200 an acre.
Speaker #2: The gas rates are better, but most importantly, so are the liquid liquids that come from the wellhead, and that's that's increased that's up to about 500 to 600 barrels a day on initial production rates.
Speaker #2: On the production operations side, we had a we had a busy we were busy adding additional strategic pipelines in the field to assist with the development program and to optimize production.
Speaker #2: And, as always, invest in bettering our plants with equipment and maintenance to extend the life and increase reliability. All told, we invested $26 million in these projects.
Speaker #2: The balance of the capital spend in Q1 was used to capture another $41 gross sections of land through direct purchases and crown sales, an average attractive rate of cost of about $200 an acre.
Speaker #2: This boosts our drilling inventory and some of this we we plan to drill later in the year. Subsequent to the quarter, we've redirected about $75 million cubic feet a day of gas to a third party, to increase C3 Plus recovery.
Jean-Paul Lachance: This boosts our drilling inventory, and some of this we plan to drill later in the year. Subsequent to the quarter, we've redirected about 75 million cubic feet a day of gas to a third party to increase C3+ recovery. That's propane, butane, and pentanes plus. That adds up to an incremental 1,000 to 1,500 barrels a day at a time when liquids pricing is stronger. This does not come with an increase to operating costs, so it improves our overall net backs as well. Maybe I'll get Todd to expand upon this a little bit later in the call. Switching to Q1 financials.
Jean-Paul Lachance: This boosts our drilling inventory, and some of this we plan to drill later in the year. Subsequent to the quarter, we've redirected about 75 million cubic feet a day of gas to a third party to increase C3+ recovery. That's propane, butane, and pentanes plus. That adds up to an incremental 1,000 to 1,500 barrels a day at a time when liquids pricing is stronger. This does not come with an increase to operating costs, so it improves our overall net backs as well. Maybe I'll get Todd to expand upon this a little bit later in the call. Switching to Q1 financials.
Speaker #2: So that's Propane Butane and Pentanes Plus. That adds up to an incremental $1,000 to $1,500 barrels a day at a time when liquids pricing is stronger.
Speaker #2: This is not come with an increase to operating costs, so it improves our overall netbacks as well. And maybe I'll get Todd to expand upon this a little bit later in the call.
Speaker #2: Switching to Q1 financials, the continuation of the fifth rig in consistent well results allowed us to grow production to an all-time high of 148,000 BOEs a day and an average of 147,500 BOEs a day for the quarter.
Jean-Paul Lachance: The continuation of the fifth rig and consistent well results allowed us to grow production to an all-time high of 148,000 BOEs a day and an average of 147,500 BOEs a day for Q1. That's up 10% over the same period last year or 7% per share. Cash costs in Q1 totaled CAD 1.28 per Mcfe, which was down 10% from the same period last year due to lower interest costs, which would be attributed to less debt and lower rates. We also had lower royalties and slightly lower operating costs, down CAD 0.01 per Mcfe. Despite having the lowest cash costs of all the producers, Peyto still expects to lower controllable costs.
Jean-Paul Lachance: The continuation of the fifth rig and consistent well results allowed us to grow production to an all-time high of 148,000 BOEs a day and an average of 147,500 BOEs a day for Q1. That's up 10% over the same period last year or 7% per share. Cash costs in Q1 totaled CAD 1.28 per Mcfe, which was down 10% from the same period last year due to lower interest costs, which would be attributed to less debt and lower rates. We also had lower royalties and slightly lower operating costs, down CAD 0.01 per Mcfe. Despite having the lowest cash costs of all the producers, Peyto still expects to lower controllable costs.
Speaker #2: That's up 10 percent over the same period last year, or 7 percent per share. Cash costs in Q1 totaled $1.28 per MCFE, which was down 10 percent from the same period last year due to lower interest costs, which would be attributed to less debt and lower rates.
Speaker #2: We also had lower royalties and slightly lower operating costs down a penny per MCFE. Despite having the lowest cash costs of all the producers, PEYTO is still expects to lower controllable costs.
Speaker #2: When I say controllable, I'm referring to operating, transport, interest, and G&A. By 10 percent this year over last year's annual average, that equates to about 10 cents in MCFE.
Jean-Paul Lachance: When I say controllable, I'm referring to operating, transport, interest, and G&A by 10% this year over last year's annual average. That equates to about CAD 0.10 an Mcfe. Flipping to revenue, another strong quarter where our realized price for gas was CAD 4.69 an Mcf or 73% higher than the AECO monthly average of CAD 2.71 per Mcf, which that's adjusted for our average heat content of the gas. The major contributors for capturing that superior price came from a CAD 0.37 hedge gain and a CAD 1.61 per Mcf of diversification value. That meaningful diversification value mainly comes from our purposeful daily exposure to markets such Chicago, Ventura, Dawn, Parkway, and Emerson during those cold winter weather events this past winter.
Jean-Paul Lachance: When I say controllable, I'm referring to operating, transport, interest, and G&A by 10% this year over last year's annual average. That equates to about CAD 0.10 an Mcfe. Flipping to revenue, another strong quarter where our realized price for gas was CAD 4.69 an Mcf or 73% higher than the AECO monthly average of CAD 2.71 per Mcf, which that's adjusted for our average heat content of the gas. The major contributors for capturing that superior price came from a CAD 0.37 hedge gain and a CAD 1.61 per Mcf of diversification value. That meaningful diversification value mainly comes from our purposeful daily exposure to markets such Chicago, Ventura, Dawn, Parkway, and Emerson during those cold winter weather events this past winter.
Speaker #2: Flipping to revenue, another strong quarter where our realized price for gas was $4.69 in MCF, or 73 percent higher than the April monthly average of $2.71 $2.71 per MCF, which that's adjusted for our average heat content of the gas.
Speaker #2: The major contributors for capturing that superior price came from a 37-cent hedge gain and $1.61 per MCF of diversification value. And that that's that meaningful diversification value mainly comes from our purposeful daily exposure to markets at Chicago, Ventura, Dawn, Parkway, and Emerson during those cold winter weather events this past winter.
Speaker #2: So that'll that combination of low costs and great pricing allowed us to put up some very strong cash flow numbers for the quarter. And we hit record funds from operations of $293 million, or $1.41 a share.
Jean-Paul Lachance: That combination of low costs and great pricing allowed us to put up some very strong cash flow numbers for the quarter, we hit record funds from operations of CAD 293 million or CAD 1.41 a share. Record earnings of CAD 171 million or CAD 0.82 a share. Generated impressive operating margin of 77%, and I think the highest profit margin in the last 10 years of 39%. If you look back over the last few years, the consistency of these margins is what matters most, it's what gives us confidence in our business model that pays the dividends to our shareholders, grows the company, and protects the balance sheet.
Jean-Paul Lachance: That combination of low costs and great pricing allowed us to put up some very strong cash flow numbers for the quarter, we hit record funds from operations of CAD 293 million or CAD 1.41 a share. Record earnings of CAD 171 million or CAD 0.82 a share. Generated impressive operating margin of 77%, and I think the highest profit margin in the last 10 years of 39%. If you look back over the last few years, the consistency of these margins is what matters most, it's what gives us confidence in our business model that pays the dividends to our shareholders, grows the company, and protects the balance sheet.
Speaker #2: Record earnings of $171 million, or 82 cents a share. Generated impressive operating margin of 77 percent. And I think the highest profit margin in the last ten years of 39 percent.
Speaker #2: And if you look back over the last few years, the consistency of these margins is what matters most. And it's what gives us confidence in our business model.
Speaker #2: It pays the dividends to our shareholders, grows the company, and protects the balance sheet. This strong cash flow led to more debt repayment in the quarter, as I mentioned earlier, $89 million.
Jean-Paul Lachance: This strong cash flow led to more debt repayment in the quarter, as I mentioned earlier, CAD 89 million, and it allowed us to hit our soft, I'll call it our soft leverage target of 1 times debt to trailing twelve-month EBITDA earlier than we thought. We're now comfortable delivering more of that free cash flow back to investors and have announced a modest increase to the dividend of CAD 0.01 per share per month or a 9% increase. With this increase, we still expect to retire more debt by year-end at current strip prices, and we'll continue to revisit that dividend level as the year matures, keeping a close eye on future prices and the business environment, of course.
Jean-Paul Lachance: This strong cash flow led to more debt repayment in the quarter, as I mentioned earlier, CAD 89 million, and it allowed us to hit our soft, I'll call it our soft leverage target of 1 times debt to trailing twelve-month EBITDA earlier than we thought. We're now comfortable delivering more of that free cash flow back to investors and have announced a modest increase to the dividend of CAD 0.01 per share per month or a 9% increase. With this increase, we still expect to retire more debt by year-end at current strip prices, and we'll continue to revisit that dividend level as the year matures, keeping a close eye on future prices and the business environment, of course.
Speaker #2: And it allowed us to hit our soft I'll call our soft leverage target of a one-times debt to trailing 12-month EBITDA. It's earlier than we thought.
Speaker #2: We're now comfortable delivering more of that free cash flow back to investors and and have announced a modest increase to the dividend of 1 cent per share per month, or 9 percent increase.
Speaker #2: With this increase, we still expect to retire more debt by year-end at the current at current strip prices, and we'll continue to revisit that dividend level as the year matures, keeping a close eye on future prices and the business environment, of course.
Speaker #2: Our low costs, our strong hedge position where we've secured $715 million for the balance of this year, that's Q2 to Q4, another $510 million has been secured so far for '27.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Our low costs, our strong hedge position, where we've secured CAD 715 million for the balance of this year, that's Q2 to Q4. Another CAD 510 million has been secured so far for 2027. Combined with that diversification to the multiple markets outside of AECO, it provides us with the confidence in the sustainability of the dividend going forward. Despite the volatility in commodity prices, Peyto remains committed to investing between CAD 450 to 500 million this year, drilling 70 to 80 wells, net wells. We've slowed down activity for breakup. I think we're down to 2 rigs now, and we'll start up as weather permits, and we plan to run between 4 and 5 for the rest of the year.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Our low costs, our strong hedge position, where we've secured CAD 715 million for the balance of this year, that's Q2 to Q4. Another CAD 510 million has been secured so far for 2027. Combined with that diversification to the multiple markets outside of AECO, it provides us with the confidence in the sustainability of the dividend going forward. Despite the volatility in commodity prices, Peyto remains committed to investing between CAD 450 to 500 million this year, drilling 70 to 80 wells, net wells. We've slowed down activity for breakup. I think we're down to 2 rigs now, and we'll start up as weather permits, and we plan to run between 4 and 5 for the rest of the year.
Speaker #2: Combined with that diversification to the multiple markets outside of ACO, it provides us with the confidence in the sustainability of the dividend going forward.
Speaker #2: Despite the volatility in commodity prices, PEYTO remains committed to investing between 450 to 500 million dollars this year drilling 70 to 80 wells. Net wells.
Speaker #2: We've slowed down activity for breakup, or I think we're down to two rigs now. And we'll start up as weather permits, and we plan to run between four and five for the rest of the year.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Modified our drilling program slightly going forward to shift towards more liquid-rich species like the Cardium and the Falher. There's even some raw rich in certain areas that have a little higher liquid content. Remember, we're well-protected through the summer with about 70% of our gas volumes fixed at prices just under CAD 4 an Mcf with very little exposure to spot AECO. The rest of our production is pointed at downstream markets, so we'll be watching them closely, and we'll manage gas volumes accordingly. We remain constructive for natural gas with the continued LNG build out in Canada and the US, and the increased demand from local markets like power for data centers. Recent world events remind us the need for security, sorry, for secure and reliable energy.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Modified our drilling program slightly going forward to shift towards more liquid-rich species like the Cardium and the Falher. There's even some raw rich in certain areas that have a little higher liquid content. Remember, we're well-protected through the summer with about 70% of our gas volumes fixed at prices just under CAD 4 an Mcf with very little exposure to spot AECO. The rest of our production is pointed at downstream markets, so we'll be watching them closely, and we'll manage gas volumes accordingly. We remain constructive for natural gas with the continued LNG build out in Canada and the US, and the increased demand from local markets like power for data centers. Recent world events remind us the need for security, sorry, for secure and reliable energy.
Speaker #2: We've modified our drilling program slightly going forward to shift towards more liquid-rich species like the Cardium and the Falher. There's even some real rich in certain areas that have a little higher liquid content.
Speaker #2: And remember, we're well protected through the summer with about 70 percent of our gas volumes fixed at prices just under $4 an MCF. With very little exposure to spot ACO.
Speaker #2: The rest of our production is pointed downstream markets, so we'll be watching them closely, and we'll manage gas volumes accordingly. We remain constructive for natural gas with the continued LNG buildout in Canada and the US, and the increased demand from local markets like power for data centers.
Speaker #2: Recent world events remind us the need for security. Sorry, for secure and reliable energy. We know that gas we know that the gas price market can be particularly volatile, so our mechanistic disciplined hedging will continue.
Jean-Paul Lachance: We know that the gas price market can be particularly volatile, our mechanistic disciplined hedging will continue. Beta strategy remains the same, focus on execution, control the things that we can control, and that's costs, while mitigating the risks on the commodities with both hedging and market diversification. We think that's a winning recipe that provides returns to our shareholders. Before we get to questions online, there's a couple that have come in overnight. One particularly on the deal we did with a third party. I think, Todd, I've often said this, that we have an allergy to third parties processing. Maybe you can expand upon the reasons why we did that. We're sending now CAD 75 million to a third party.
Jean-Paul Lachance: We know that the gas price market can be particularly volatile, our mechanistic disciplined hedging will continue. Beta strategy remains the same, focus on execution, control the things that we can control, and that's costs, while mitigating the risks on the commodities with both hedging and market diversification. We think that's a winning recipe that provides returns to our shareholders. Before we get to questions online, there's a couple that have come in overnight. One particularly on the deal we did with a third party. I think, Todd, I've often said this, that we have an allergy to third parties processing. Maybe you can expand upon the reasons why we did that. We're sending now CAD 75 million to a third party.
Speaker #2: PEYTO strategy remains the same: focused on execution, control of things that we can control—and that's costs. We'll mitigate the risks on the commodities with both hedging and market diversification.
Speaker #2: We think that's a winning recipe that provides returns to our shareholders. So, before we get to questions online, there's a couple that have come in overnight.
Speaker #2: One particularly on on the the the deal we did with a third party. I think Todd I've often said this, that we have an allergy to third parties.
Speaker #2: Processing. So maybe you can expand upon the reasons why we we did that. We're sending now $75 million to a third party?
Todd Burdick: Yeah, sure. Obviously we've mentioned the nice uplift of 1,000 to 1,500 barrels of propane, butane, C5 plus. With that deal, any liquid ethane is returned back to us as a gas. There's no ethane in the deal, we can say that. Along with that, like was mentioned, the structure means that we don't see any increase in operating costs, which is great. Along with the, I guess, you know, increased portion of our drilling program this year and the incremental liquid recoveries, we should see about at least a 1% increase in our overall liquid content of the quarter.
Todd Burdick: Yeah, sure. Obviously we've mentioned the nice uplift of 1,000 to 1,500 barrels of propane, butane, C5 plus. With that deal, any liquid ethane is returned back to us as a gas. There's no ethane in the deal, we can say that. Along with that, like was mentioned, the structure means that we don't see any increase in operating costs, which is great. Along with the, I guess, you know, increased portion of our drilling program this year and the incremental liquid recoveries, we should see about at least a 1% increase in our overall liquid content of the quarter.
Speaker #3: Yeah, sure. So obviously, we've mentioned the nice uplift of 1,000 to 1,500 barrels of of propane, butane, C5+. With that deal, any liquid ethane is returned back to us as a gas.
Speaker #3: So there's no ethane. In the deal, we can say that. And along with that, like like was mentioned, the structure means that we don't see any increase in operating costs, which is which is great.
Speaker #3: So along with the, I guess, you know, liquid more liquid increased portion of our drilling program this year, and and the incremental liquid recoveries, we should see about a at least a 1 percent increase in our overall liquid content as a as a quarter.
Speaker #2: Yeah, I guess it's safe to say this is this obviously a confidential agreement, so we can't expound upon it too much, but thanks for the color.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Yeah, I guess it's safe to say this is obviously a confidential agreement, so we can't expound upon it too much, but thanks for the color. Yeah, thanks for the color. Okay, Lisa, why don't we open it up to questions, from the phone lines if there is any, please.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Yeah, I guess it's safe to say this is obviously a confidential agreement, so we can't expound upon it too much, but thanks for the color. Yeah, thanks for the color. Okay, Lisa, why don't we open it up to questions, from the phone lines if there is any, please.
Speaker #2: Yeah, thanks for the color. Okay. Lisa, why don't we open it up to questions from the phone lines, if there are any, please?
Operator 1: Okay, not a problem. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. You will hear the automated message advising your hand is raised. We also ask that you please wait for your name and company to be announced before proceeding with your question. One moment while we compile the Q&A roster. The first question today will be coming from the line of Michael Harvey of RBC. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #4: The first question today will be coming from the line. Of Michael Harvey, of RBC, please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Yeah, sure. Good morning. So just a couple of questions. For me, it looks like you hit your longest measured depth in the history of the company this past quarter.
Michael Harvey: Yeah, sure. Good morning. Just a couple questions. For me, it looks like you hit your longest measured depths in the history of the company this past quarter, helping to drive those better rates you mentioned. Is there more to do in terms of that number, making it even higher? Or have you kind of come close to the point where you're maximizing recovery and balancing with CapEx? The second one, just on the dividend, maybe just remind us your methodology there. I think in the past, Darren have always talked about dividends being sourced from earnings, which would imply some more upside, but I think you also have to balance that with your payout and just the lumpiness of the business.
Michael Harvey: Yeah, sure. Good morning. Just a couple questions. For me, it looks like you hit your longest measured depths in the history of the company this past quarter, helping to drive those better rates you mentioned. Is there more to do in terms of that number, making it even higher? Or have you kind of come close to the point where you're maximizing recovery and balancing with CapEx?
Speaker #5: Helping to drive those those better rates you mentioned. Is there more to do in terms of that number, making it even higher, or have you kind of come close to the point where you're maximizing recovery and balancing with CapEx?
Speaker #5: And the second one, just on the dividend, maybe just remind us your methodology there. I think in the past, Darren had always talked about dividends, being sourced from earnings, which would imply some more upside.
Michael Harvey: The second one, just on the dividend, maybe just remind us your methodology there. I think in the past, Darren have always talked about dividends being sourced from earnings, which would imply some more upside, but I think you also have to balance that with your payout and just the lumpiness of the business. Maybe just remind us kind of how you see that, in terms of how folks can think about that number going forward.
Speaker #5: But I think you also have to balance that with your payout and just the lumpiness of the business. So maybe just remind us kind of how you you see that in terms of what how folks can think about that number going forward.
Michael Harvey: Maybe just remind us kind of how you see that, in terms of how folks can think about that number going forward.
Speaker #3: Maybe I'll I'll answer the divvy question first, and then I'll turn it over to Riley on the on the well length question. You know, certainly, you know, our profits are from, you know, our earnings.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Maybe I'll answer the divvy question first, and then I'll turn it over to Riley on the well length question. You know, certainly, you know, our profits are from, you know, our earnings and we do believe in paying, you know, the dividend comes from that. However, we do also want to be mindful of balance sheet, and we want to make sure whatever we do is sustainable going forward. I mentioned there at the outset, we expect to pay it at least at current strip prices, expect to reduce debt further here this year. There's obviously more room should we want to balance this, you know, with a 100% payout.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Maybe I'll answer the divvy question first, and then I'll turn it over to Riley on the well length question. You know, certainly, you know, our profits are from, you know, our earnings and we do believe in paying, you know, the dividend comes from that. However, we do also want to be mindful of balance sheet, and we want to make sure whatever we do is sustainable going forward. I mentioned there at the outset, we expect to pay it at least at current strip prices, expect to reduce debt further here this year. There's obviously more room should we want to balance this, you know, with a 100% payout.
Speaker #3: And we do believe in paying you know, the dividend comes from that. However, we do also want to be mindful of balance sheet, and we want to make sure whatever we do is sustainable going forward.
Speaker #3: So I mentioned there at the outset, we have we have we expect to pay it, at least at current strip prices, expect to to reduce debt further here this year.
Speaker #3: So there's obviously more room should we want to balance this, you know, with with at 100 percent payout. So there's more room there, but we'll be careful to to, you know, with with future strip and make sure that whatever we do is going to be sustainable.
Jean-Paul Lachance: There's more room there, but we'll be careful to, you know, with future strip and make sure that whatever we do is gonna be sustainable. The nice part about all this is that, you know, we have secured a fair bit of, like I said earlier, of revenue for next year already. Anything out at 2028 is actually, you know, well above our sort of minimum price. As I talked about, our mechanistic hedging program will start to take that gas down, so it gives us confidence in the level. You know, we're gonna watch where prices go from here. There's room to move, as I mentioned at the beginning here in the opening comments. We'll be careful as we move forward to make sure that's sustainable.
Jean-Paul Lachance: There's more room there, but we'll be careful to, you know, with future strip and make sure that whatever we do is gonna be sustainable. The nice part about all this is that, you know, we have secured a fair bit of, like I said earlier, of revenue for next year already. Anything out at 2028 is actually, you know, well above our sort of minimum price.
Speaker #3: The nice part about all this is that, you know, we have secured a fair bit of, like I said earlier, of revenue for next year already.
Speaker #3: And and anything out in '28 is actually you know, well above our sort of minimum price. So as we as I talked about, our mechanistic hedging program will start to take that gas down.
Jean-Paul Lachance: As I talked about, our mechanistic hedging program will start to take that gas down, so it gives us confidence in the level. You know, we're gonna watch where prices go from here. There's room to move, as I mentioned at the beginning here in the opening comments. We'll be careful as we move forward to make sure that's sustainable. Maybe I'll turn the other question over to Riley around well length. I think you were asking just, you know, can we see continued increases in well length or what's the expectation? Riley, I'll turn it over to you.
Speaker #3: So it gives us confidence in in the level. So, you know, we're going to we're going to watch. We're prices go from here. So there's room to move.
Speaker #3: As I mentioned at the beginning here in the in the opening comments. So and but we'll be careful as we move forward to make sure that's sustainable.
Speaker #3: Maybe I'll return to the other question over to Riley around well length. I think you were asking just, you know, can we see continued increases in well length, or what what's the expectation?
Jean-Paul Lachance: Maybe I'll turn the other question over to Riley around well length. I think you were asking just, you know, can we see continued increases in well length or what's the expectation? Riley, I'll turn it over to you.
Speaker #3: So, Riley, I'll turn it over to you.
Speaker #2: Yeah. So I mean, I think we'll continue to try and optimize on well length as we roll forward here. But I think a lot of the material gains over the last sort of five years have probably been made in that regard.
Riley Frame: I mean, I think we'll continue to try and optimize on well length as we roll forward here, but I think a lot of the material gains over the last sort of 5 years have probably been made in that regard. You know, our land base and our geologic situation, you know, is probably more of a constraining factor at this point as far as how long we go with all of our wells. You know, obviously we see the benefit on performance, we see the benefit on cost in doing so, and obviously that has an impact on our per unit metrics. We'll continue to optimize that going forward, but I would say that we won't see the gains that we've seen over sort of like the last several years going forward.
Riley Frame: I mean, I think we'll continue to try and optimize on well length as we roll forward here, but I think a lot of the material gains over the last sort of 5 years have probably been made in that regard. You know, our land base and our geologic situation, you know, is probably more of a constraining factor at this point as far as how long we go with all of our wells. You know, obviously we see the benefit on performance, we see the benefit on cost in doing so, and obviously that has an impact on our per unit metrics. We'll continue to optimize that going forward, but I would say that we won't see the gains that we've seen over sort of like the last several years going forward.
Speaker #2: You know, our land base and our geologic situation, you know, is probably more of a constraining factor at this point as far as how long we go with all of our wells.
Speaker #2: But, you know, obviously, we see the benefit on performance. We see the benefit on cost in doing so. And obviously, that has an impact on our our per unit metrics.
Speaker #2: So so we'll continue to optimize that going forward. But I would say that we we won't see the gains that we've seen over sort of like the last several years going forward.
Speaker #5: Great. Thanks for the call, guys.
Michael Harvey: Great. Thanks for the call, guys.
Michael Harvey: Great. Thanks for the call, guys.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Thank you.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. Next question. Will be coming from the line of Chris Thompson of CBIC.
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Speaker #4: Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question, guys. So just wanted to probe for a little bit more color on the NGL processing agreement there.
Chris Thompson: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question, guys. Just wanted to probe for a little bit more color on the NGL processing agreement there. This third party is receiving no operating cost change from you guys. What are they receiving from this?
Chris Thompson: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question, guys. Just wanted to probe for a little bit more color on the NGL processing agreement there. This third party is receiving no operating cost change from you guys. What are they receiving from this?
Speaker #6: So this third party is receiving no operating cost change from you guys. So what what are they receiving from this?
Speaker #3: Well, we're not recovering ethane. So one would think that that may be an opportunity for them to gain some value, because we mentioned that we just we're not we're not getting ethane.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Well, we're not recovering ethane. One would think that that may be an opportunity for them to gain some value, because we mentioned that we're not getting ethane. Ethane may be recovered. We're not taking that. We're getting that back in the gas phase. That would be one way. Perhaps, I don't know, you'd have to ask them. I'm sorry, I can't tell you who they are.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Well, we're not recovering ethane. One would think that that may be an opportunity for them to gain some value, because we mentioned that we're not getting ethane. Ethane may be recovered. We're not taking that. We're getting that back in the gas phase. That would be one way. Perhaps, I don't know, you'd have to ask them. I'm sorry, I can't tell you who they are.
Speaker #3: We're ethane may be recovered, but we're not taking that. We're getting that back in the gas space. So that would be one way perhaps.
Speaker #3: I don't know. You'd have to ask them. And I'm sorry I can't tell you who they are.
Speaker #5: Okay. No problem. But just just wanted to clarify. So 1,000, 1,500 barrels a day against our full year number is just shy of 1 percent.
Chris Thompson: Okay, no problem. But just wanted to clarify. A 1,000 1,500 barrels a day, against our full year number is just shy of 1% of your production. Are we increasing total production? Are we increasing just the mix and hence the realized price? Like, maybe help us understand the modeling implications on that side.
Chris Thompson: Okay, no problem. But just wanted to clarify. A 1,000 1,500 barrels a day, against our full year number is just shy of 1% of your production. Are we increasing total production? Are we increasing just the mix and hence the realized price? Like, maybe help us understand the modeling implications on that side.
Speaker #5: Of your production. So are we are we increasing total production? Are we increasing just the mix and hence the realized price? Like, maybe help us understand the modeling implications on that side.
Speaker #2: I would just increase your liquid content by 1 percent is probably the safe thing to do. And as we've moved through this, year, we'll get better get better clarity on what exactly that number is.
Jean-Paul Lachance: I would just increase your liquid content by 1% is probably the safe thing to do. As we move through this year, we'll get better clarity on what exactly that number is. We'll also get better clarity on the impact of the Cardium Formation program that we talked about shifting towards a little bit more. You know, if you're modeling this, I would say just increase your percent of liquids by 1%, as Todd mentioned.
Jean-Paul Lachance: I would just increase your liquid content by 1% is probably the safe thing to do. As we move through this year, we'll get better clarity on what exactly that number is. We'll also get better clarity on the impact of the Cardium Formation program that we talked about shifting towards a little bit more. You know, if you're modeling this, I would say just increase your percent of liquids by 1%, as Todd mentioned.
Speaker #2: We'll also get better clarity on the impact of the cardium species program that we we talked about shifting towards a little bit more. So you know, for if you're modeling this, I would say increase just increase your percent of liquids by 1 percent.
Speaker #2: As Todd mentioned.
Speaker #5: Okay, okay. Maybe just one comment you made in the press release: looking at running four or five rigs for the balance of the year.
Chris Thompson: Okay. Okay. Maybe just one comment you made in the press release looking at running 4 or 5 rigs for the balance of the year. You know, my read on that was it was fairly non-committal as to whether it would be 4 or 5. Just wondering, J.P., if you could expand on how you're thinking about that?
Chris Thompson: Okay. Okay. Maybe just one comment you made in the press release looking at running 4 or 5 rigs for the balance of the year. You know, my read on that was it was fairly non-committal as to whether it would be 4 or 5. Just wondering, J.P., if you could expand on how you're thinking about that?
Speaker #5: You know, my read on that was it was fairly noncommittal as to whether it would be four or five. So just wondering, JP, if you could expand on how you're thinking about that.
Jean-Paul Lachance: We're down to 2 right now, of course, through breakup, and then we'll bring rigs back when appropriate here as weather things dry up out there. You know, 4 rigs probably puts us to the midpoint of our guidance. 5 rigs probably pushes us to the higher end of our guidance. If prices improve from where they are and we see, you know, that, especially the future prices, not just, you know, current prices. We would look to maybe expand that program to 5 rigs later on in the year. We might actually add the fifth rig later in the year just to set us up for Q1 next year. That's why there's a range there.
Speaker #3: So we've we've down to two right now, of course, to break up. And then we'll bring rigs back when when appropriate here as as weather things dry up out there.
Jean-Paul Lachance: We're down to 2 right now, of course, through breakup, and then we'll bring rigs back when appropriate here as weather things dry up out there. You know, 4 rigs probably puts us to the midpoint of our guidance. 5 rigs probably pushes us to the higher end of our guidance. If prices improve from where they are and we see, you know, that, especially the future prices, not just, you know, current prices. We would look to maybe expand that program to 5 rigs later on in the year. We might actually add the fifth rig later in the year just to set us up for Q1 next year. That's why there's a range there.
Speaker #3: And you know, four rigs probably puts us to the midpoint of our guidance. Five rigs probably pushes us to the higher end of our guidance.
Speaker #3: So if prices improve from where they are, and we we see, you know, that that especially the future price is not just, you know, current prices.
Speaker #3: So we would look to maybe expand that program to five rigs later on the year. We might actually add the fifth rig later in the year, just to set us up for Q1 next year.
Speaker #3: So that's why there's a range there.
Speaker #5: Okay. Gotcha. Are you seeing just especially for that fifth rig that is not necessarily part of your steady program, are you seeing much service cost inflation on the rig side?
Chris Thompson: Okay. Gotcha. Are you seeing just especially for that fifth rig that is not necessarily part of your steady program, are you seeing much service cost inflation on the rig side?
Chris Thompson: Okay. Gotcha. Are you seeing just especially for that fifth rig that is not necessarily part of your steady program, are you seeing much service cost inflation on the rig side?
Jean-Paul Lachance: Maybe I'll ask Lee to answer that one. I, you know, it's in pickup right now, and things are really relatively fresh. I don't know, what do you want to add something to that, Lee?
Speaker #3: Maybe I'll ask I'll maybe I'll ask Lee to answer that one. I you know, it's pick up right now. And things are really relatively fresh.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Maybe I'll ask Lee to answer that one. I, you know, it's in pickup right now, and things are really relatively fresh. I don't know, what do you want to add something to that, Lee?
Speaker #3: I don't know what you want to add something to that, Lee.
Lee Curran: Sure. Yeah, no, we're not really seeing anything material. Of course, fuel surcharges is hitting everybody's bottom line from oil and gas operations right to the household. Remember, we are the lowest capital cost producer in the Deep Basin. We control what we can control. We are seeing fuel surcharges, but we're seeing a reduction in a number of things, including at this point OCTG, tubulars, rig rates. It's more than offsetting the fuel surcharges we're experiencing. Direct fuel purchases are about 3% of our capital costs. You know, a surcharge on that isn't really material to the overall program. Of course, you know, it's going to slip into everything else we do.
Lee Curran: Sure. Yeah, no, we're not really seeing anything material. Of course, fuel surcharges is hitting everybody's bottom line from oil and gas operations right to the household. Remember, we are the lowest capital cost producer in the Deep Basin. We control what we can control. We are seeing fuel surcharges, but we're seeing a reduction in a number of things, including at this point OCTG, tubulars, rig rates. It's more than offsetting the fuel surcharges we're experiencing.
Speaker #5: Sure. Yeah. No, we're not really seeing anything material, of course, fuel surcharges. It's hitting everybody's bottom line from oil and gas operations right to the household.
Speaker #5: But remember, we're we are the lowest capital cost producer in the deep basin. So we control what we can control. We are seeing fuel surcharges, but we're seeing a reduction in in a number of things, including at this point, OCPG's tubulars, rig rates.
Speaker #5: It's more than offsetting the fuel surcharges we're experiencing. Direct fuel purchases are about 3 percent of our capital costs. So you know, a surcharge on that isn't really material to the overall program.
Lee Curran: Direct fuel purchases are about 3% of our capital costs. You know, a surcharge on that isn't really material to the overall program. Of course, you know, it's going to slip into everything else we do. A little premature to say, and at this point, what's manifesting in terms of efficiency gains is more than offsetting any surcharges we're seeing associated with spot. Obviously, don't fuel the pump.
Speaker #5: Of course, you know, it's going to slip into everything else we do. But a little premature to say. And at this point, let's manifesting in terms of efficiency gains is more than offsetting.
Todd Burdick: A little premature to say, and at this point, what's manifesting in terms of efficiency gains is more than offsetting any surcharges we're seeing associated with spot. Obviously, don't fuel the pump.
Speaker #5: Any surcharges we're seeing associated with spot prices on fuel at the bottom.
Jean-Paul Lachance: I guess on the flip side of that, we would be seeing incremental revenue, obviously. If fuel prices stay high, that means oil is high, that means we'll be seeing more revenue. That also will help more than offsetting any increasing costs. Todd, do you want to add anything on the op side of it?
Speaker #3: And I guess on the on the flip side of that, we would be seeing incremental revenue, obviously, fuel fuel prices stay high. That means oil's high.
Jean-Paul Lachance: I guess on the flip side of that, we would be seeing incremental revenue, obviously. If fuel prices stay high, that means oil is high, that means we'll be seeing more revenue. That also will help more than offsetting any increasing costs. Todd, do you want to add anything on the op side of it?
Speaker #3: That means we'll be seeing more revenue. So that'll be more that also will help if more than offset any increasing costs. Todd, do you want to add anything on the opposite side of the business?
Todd Burdick: Yeah, sure. For sure. There's a portion of the OpEx that's exposed to this inflation, probably 15% to 20%. Things like chemicals, trucking, obviously, as Lee mentioned, anything that's on wheels, you got fuel surcharges. Lubricating oils obviously, directly exposed to the oil price. You know, we're starting to see that, especially just here in April, and it may increase our OpEx slightly through Q2, and we'll see how long it goes. Again, you know, those costs might go up, but we see it on the other side as far as revenue from the oil-based component of it.
Todd Burdick: Yeah, sure. For sure. There's a portion of the OpEx that's exposed to this inflation, probably 15% to 20%. Things like chemicals, trucking, obviously, as Lee mentioned, anything that's on wheels, you got fuel surcharges. Lubricating oils obviously, directly exposed to the oil price. You know, we're starting to see that, especially just here in April, and it may increase our OpEx slightly through Q2, and we'll see how long it goes. Again, you know, those costs might go up, but we see it on the other side as far as revenue from the oil-based component of it.
Speaker #2: Yeah, sure. For sure. There's a portion of the OPEX that's exposed to this inflation—probably 15 to 20 percent. Things like chemicals, trucking, obviously—as Lee mentioned—anything that's on wheels.
Speaker #2: You've got fuel surcharges. And then lubricating oils, obviously, directly exposed to the oil price. So you know, we see we're we're starting to see that, especially just here in April.
Speaker #2: And it it may increase our OPEX slightly through Q2. And we'll see how long it goes. But again, you know, those costs might go up.
Speaker #2: But we see it on the other side as far as revenue, from the oil base component of it.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thanks. I just want to make a reminder that we've got our general meeting. And it's in person. It's at our building here in the Plus Plus 15 level.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Okay, thanks. I just wanna make a reminder that we've got our general meeting, it's in person. It's at our building here in the plus 15 level. It's the mezzanine level in Calgary. It's next week, Thursday, May 21st. If you haven't voted your shares, please vote your shares. There'll be a formal part of the meeting followed by a brief presentation with a Q&A at the end and followed by some refreshments. Come and get your hat. Are there any more questions, operator?
Jean-Paul Lachance: Okay, thanks. I just wanna make a reminder that we've got our general meeting, it's in person. It's at our building here in the plus 15 level. It's the mezzanine level in Calgary. It's next week, Thursday, May 21st. If you haven't voted your shares, please vote your shares. There'll be a formal part of the meeting followed by a brief presentation with a Q&A at the end and followed by some refreshments. Come and get your hat. Are there any more questions, operator?
Speaker #3: It's a mezzanine level in Calgary. It's next week, Thursday, May 21st. If you haven't voted your shares, please vote your shares. There'll be a formal part of the meeting followed by a brief presentation with a Q&A at the end and followed by some refreshments.
Speaker #3: So come and get your hat. Are there any more questions? Operator?
Operator 2: At this time, there are no more questions in the queue. I'd like to turn the call back to JP for closing remarks.
Operator: At this time, there are no more questions in the queue. I'd like to turn the call back to JP for closing remarks.
Speaker #6: At this time, there are no more questions in the queue. I'd like to turn the call back to JP for a closing remarks.
Speaker #3: Okay. Well, thanks for tuning in, folks. We'll see you next quarter.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Okay. Well, thanks for tuning in, folks. We'll see you next quarter.
Jean-Paul Lachance: Okay. Well, thanks for tuning in, folks. We'll see you next quarter.
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