Q1 2026 Privia Health Group Inc Earnings Call

May 7, 2026

Operator 2: Hello. Thank you for standing by. My name is Pat. I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Privia Health First Quarter Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. I would now like to turn the call over to Robert Borchert, SVP, Investor & Corporate Communications. Robert, go ahead.

Operator: Hello. Thank you for standing by. My name is Pat. I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Privia Health First Quarter Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. I would now like to turn the call over to Robert Borchert, SVP, Investor & Corporate Communications. Robert, go ahead.

Speaker #2: Hello, and thank you for standing by. My name is Pat, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Privia Health first-quarter conference call.

Speaker #2: All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad.

Speaker #2: I would now like to turn the call over to Robert Borchert, SVP, Investor Communications. Robert, go ahead.

Speaker #3: Well, thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. Joining me are Parth Mehrotra, our Chief Executive Officer, and David Mountcastle, our Chief Financial Officer. This call is being webcast and can be accessed in the Investor Relations section of PriviaHealth.com, along with today's financial press release and slide presentation.

Robert Borchert: Well, thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. Joining me are Parth Mehrotra, our Chief Executive Officer, and David Mountcastle, our Chief Financial Officer. This call is being webcast and can be accessed in the investor relations section of priviahealth.com, along with today's financial press release and slide presentation. Following our prepared comments, we will open the line for questions. Please limit yourself to one question only and return to the queue if you have a follow-up so we can get to as many questions as possible. The financial results reported today are preliminary and are not final until our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended 31 March 2026 is filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Some of the statements we'll make today are forward-looking in nature based on our current expectations and view of our business as of today, 7 May 2026.

Speaker #3: Following our prepared comments, we will open the line for questions. Please limit yourself to one question only, and return to the queue if you have a follow-up, so we can get to as many questions as possible.

Speaker #3: The financial results report today are preliminary and are not final until our Form 10Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2026 is filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Speaker #3: Some of the statements we will make today are forward-looking in nature based on our current expectations and view of our business as of today, May 7, 2026.

Speaker #3: Such statements, including those related to our future financial and operating performance and future business plans and objectives, are subject to risk and uncertainties that may cause after-results to differ materially.

Robert Borchert: Such statements, including those related to our future financial and operating performance and future business plans and objectives, are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. As a result, these statements should be considered along with the cautionary statements in today's press release and the risk factors described in our company's most recent SEC filings. We may refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures on the call. Reconciliation of these measures to comparable GAAP measures are included in our press release and the accompanying slide presentation posted on our website. Now, I'd like to hand the call over to our CEO, Parth Mehrotra.

Speaker #3: As a result, these statements should be considered along with the cautionary statements in today's press release and the risk factors described in our company's most recent SEC filings.

Speaker #3: Finally, we may refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures on the call. Reconciliation of these measures to comparable GAAP measures are included in our press release and the accompanying slide presentation posted on our website.

Speaker #3: Now, I'd like to hand the call over to our CEO, Parth Mehrotra.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Robert, and good morning, everyone. Privia Health delivered a strong first quarter as we continue to execute extremely well and drive growth across our markets.

Parth Mehrotra: Thank you, Robert, and good morning, everyone. Privia Health delivered a strong Q1 as we continue to execute extremely well and drive growth across our markets. This morning, I'll summarize our Q1 performance and business highlights, and David will discuss our Q1 financial results and our updated 2026 guidance before we take your questions. Privia Health's outstanding operational execution and the strength of our diversified business model clearly demonstrate our ability to perform in all types of market and healthcare regulatory environments. We are proud to deliver on our mission to achieve the quadruple aim, better outcomes, lower costs, improved patient experience, and happier and more engaged providers. New provider signings and implementations remain strong. This provides great visibility through the remainder of 2026.

Speaker #4: This morning, I'll summarize our first quarter performance and business highlights, and David will discuss our first quarter financial results and our updated 2026 guidance before we take your questions.

Speaker #4: Privia Health’s outstanding operational execution and the strength of our diversified business model clearly demonstrate our ability to perform in all types of market and healthcare regulatory environments.

Speaker #4: We are proud to deliver on our mission to achieve the quadruple aim: better outcomes, lower costs, improved patient experience, and happier and more engaged providers.

Speaker #4: New provider signings and implementations remain strong. This provides great visibility through the remainder of 2026. We ended the first quarter with 5,535 providers, a 13.6% increase year over year, and with 1.6 million value-based attributed lives, up 26.5% from a year ago.

Parth Mehrotra: We ended Q1 with 5,535 providers, a 13.6% increase year-over-year, and with 1.6 million value-based attributed lives, up 26.5% from a year ago. The combination of implemented provider growth, attribution growth, and value-based care performance help increase practice collections 14.6% from Q1 last year. We continue to show strong operating leverage across the platform and G&A expenses. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter increased 36.3% to $36.7 million, with EBITDA margin as a percentage of care margin expanding 290 basis points to reach 28.5%. Given our strong Q1 performance, we feel confident about our annual guidance across all metrics.

Speaker #4: The combination of implemented provider growth, attribution growth, and value-based care performance helped increase practice collections 14.6% from the first quarter last year. We continue to show strong operating leverage on cost of platform and GNA expenses.

Speaker #4: Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter increased 36.3% to 36.7 million. With EBITDA margin as a percentage of care margin expanding 290 basis points to reach 28.5%.

Speaker #4: Given our strong Q1 performance, we feel metrics. Since it's still early in the year, we are maintaining our 2026 guidance, except for increasing our range for attributed growth.

Parth Mehrotra: Since it's still early in the year, we are maintaining our 2026 guidance, except for increasing our range for attributed lives given the strong Q1 attribution growth. Our ongoing business momentum is expected to drive EBITDA growth of approximately 20% at the midpoint of the guidance while converting approximately 80% of EBITDA to free cash flow. Privia's national footprint now includes a presence in 24 states and the District of Columbia. Our 5,535 implemented providers care for over 5.9 million patients. We continue to demonstrate very high gross provider retention and patient net promoter score across our footprint. Our growth and momentum have positioned us as one of the leading primary care-centric medical groups and value-based care organizations in the country.

Speaker #4: Our ongoing business momentum is expected to drive EBITDA growth of approximately 20% at the midpoint of the guidance, while converting approximately 80% of EBITDA to free cash flow.

Speaker #4: Privia's national footprint now includes a presence in 24 states and the District of Columbia. Our 5,535 implemented providers care for over 5.9 million patients.

Speaker #4: We continue to demonstrate very high gross provider retention and patient net promoter score across our footprint. Our growth and momentum have positioned us as one of the leading primary care-centric medical groups and value-based care organizations in the country.

Speaker #4: We expect to expand our presence in existing and new states, both organically and inorganically, given our balance sheet strength. Privia's diversified value-based platform serves over 1.6 million patients through more than 130 commercial and government contracts.

Parth Mehrotra: We expect to expand our presence in existing and new states, both organically and inorganically, given our balance sheet strength. Privia's diversified value-based platform serves over 1.6 million patients through more than 130 commercial and government contracts. Our total attributed lives increased over 26% from a year ago. This was driven by new provider growth and the addition of the Evolent ACO business. Commercial attributed lives increased more than 17% from last year to reach 913,000. Lives attributed to CMS Medicare programs were up 62%. Medicare Advantage and Medicaid attribution increased 20% and 36% respectively from a year ago. We remain highly focused on increasing attribution and generating positive contribution margin across our value-based book. Ultimately, our goal is to achieve consistent and sustainable earnings growth for our physician partners and shareholders.

Speaker #4: Our total attributed lives increased over 26% from a year ago. This was driven by new provider growth and the addition of the avalanche ACO business.

Speaker #4: Commercial attributed lives increased more than 17% from last year to reach 913,000. Lives attributed to CMS, Medicare programs, were up 62%. Medicare Advantage and Medicaid attribution increased 20% and 36%, respectively, from a year ago.

Speaker #4: We remain highly focused on increasing attribution and generating positive contribution margin across our value-based book. Ultimately, our goal is to achieve consistent and sustainable earnings growth for our physician partners and shareholders.

Speaker #4: David will now review our first quarter financial results and updated 2026 guidance.

Parth Mehrotra: David will now review our Q1 financial results and updated 2026 guidance.

Speaker #5: Thank you, Parth. Privia Health's strong operational performance continued through the first quarter. Implemented providers grew 155 sequentially from year-end 2025 and increased 13.6% year over year.

David Mountcastle: Thank you, Parth. Privia Health's strong operational performance continued through the Q1. Implemented providers grew 155 sequentially from year-end 2025 and increased 13.6% year over year. Implemented provider growth, along with solid value-based performance and ambulatory utilization trends, led to practice collections increasing 14.6% from the Q1 a year ago to reach $914.8 million. Adjusted EBITDA, which is reconciled to GAAP net income in the appendix, increased 36.3% over the Q1 last year to reach $36.7 million, representing 28.5% of care margin. This 290 basis point margin improvement continues to highlight significant operating leverage.

Speaker #5: Implemented provider growth, along with solid value-based performance and ambulatory utilization trends, led to practice collections increasing 14.6% from the first quarter a year ago to reach 914.8 million.

Speaker #5: Adjusted EBITDA, which is reconciled to GAAP net income in the appendix, increased 36.3% over the first quarter last year to reach 36.7 million, representing 28.5% of care margin.

Speaker #5: This 290 basis point margin improvement continues to highlight significant operating leverage. We ended the first quarter with 419.5 million in cash and no debt, following typical Q1 cash outflows from value-based care payments to providers and employee bonuses.

David Mountcastle: We ended Q1 with $419.5 million in cash and no debt, following typical Q1 cash outflows from value-based care payments to providers and employee bonuses. We are reiterating our full year 2026 guidance metrics following our strong performance in Q1 and raising our guidance range for attributed lives at the year-end. This guide implies adjusted EBITDA growth of approximately 20% at the $150 million midpoint, and we expect 80% of full year EBITDA to convert free cash flow as we become a full cash taxpayer. While our guidance assumes no new business development, we have a robust pipeline of existing market expansion and new market opportunities. We will remain disciplined and strategic while leveraging our healthy balance sheet to grow the business and compound our EBITDA and free cash flow.

Speaker #5: We are reiterating our full-year 2026 guidance metrics following our strong performance in the first quarter and raising our guidance range for attributed lives at the year-end.

Speaker #5: This guide implies adjusted EBITDA growth of approximately 20% at the 150 million midpoint, and we expect 80% of full-year EBITDA to convert free cash flow as we become a full cash taxpayer.

Speaker #5: While our guidance assumes no new business development, we have a robust pipeline of existing market expansion and new market opportunities. We will remain disciplined and strategic while leveraging our healthy balance sheet to grow the business and compound our EBITDA and free cash flow.

Speaker #5: Over the last two years, our EBITDA growth rate has averaged 32%. Achieving the midpoint of our 2026 guidance will result in EBITDA more than doubling over the last three years. Our consistent growth and ability to compound EBITDA and free cash flow across economic, healthcare, and regulatory cycles over the past nine years validates the strength of the Privia business model.

David Mountcastle: Over the last 2 years, our EBITDA growth rate has averaged 32%. Achieving the midpoint of our 2026 guidance will result in EBITDA more than doubling over the last 3 years. Our consistent growth and ability to compound EBITDA and free cash flow across economic, healthcare, and regulatory cycles over the past 9 years validates the strength of the Privia business model. Privia's business momentum is powered by the consistent execution by our provider partners and our employees. This has positioned us well to continue to drive growth and profitability as we build and scale our national footprint. I would like to take this opportunity to thank each one of them for their hard work. Operator, we are now ready to take questions.

Speaker #5: Privia's business momentum is powered by the consistent execution by our provider partners and our employees, this has positioned us well to continue to drive growth and profitability as we build and scale our national footprint.

Speaker #5: I would like to take this opportunity to thank each one of them for their hard work. Operator, we are now ready to take questions.

Speaker #3: Pat, we're ready for questions. Thank you.

Robert Borchert: Pat, we're ready for questions. Thank you.

Operator 2: At this time, if you would like to start one again. We will pause online to compile the queue.

Operator: At this time, if you would like to start one again. We will pause online to compile the queue.

Speaker #6: At this time, if you would like to ask. We will post a moment to compile the Q&A

Robert Borchert: Pat, we're unable to hear you. Can we take the first question, please?

Speaker #3: Pat, we're unable to hear you. Can we take the first question, please?

Operator 2: Your first question comes from the line of Jailendra Singh from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Operator: Your first question comes from the line of Jailendra Singh from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Your first question comes from the line of Kylandra Singh from TruVis Securities. Please go ahead.

Jailendra Singh: This is Jailendra Singh from Truist Securities. Congrats on a strong start to the year. Good morning. You guys reported strong Q1, but now deciding to maintain outlook on most metrics except attributed lives. Is this you guys just doing Privia approach of being conservative, or are there any items we should be aware of in terms of puts and takes for the rest of the year compared to Q1? Related to that, are you guys still expecting shared savings to be flat year-over-year? Q1 figures are pretty strong, so just give us any color about the guidance here.

Speaker #7: This is Jalandra Singh from TruVis Securities. Congrats on a strong start to the year. Good morning. So, you guys reported a strong Q1, but are now deciding to maintain outlook on most metrics except attributed lives.

Speaker #7: Is this you guys just doing Privia approach of being conservative, or are there any items we should be aware of in terms of puts and takes for the rest of the year compared to Q1?

Speaker #7: And related to that, are you guys still expecting shared savings to be flat year over year? Q1 figures are pretty strong, so just give us any color about the guidance here.

Speaker #8: Yeah, appreciate the question, Jalandra. Yeah, so look, I mean, it's still early in the year. You've seen how we've done this for the last five years, since we went public.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, appreciate the question, Jailendra. Yeah, look, I mean, it's still early in the year. You've seen how we've done this for the last 5 years since we went public. You know, our approach is, you know, just keep executing every quarter. There will be some puts and takes, but as we get more data, we get comfortable in then adjusting guidance. We just gave guidance about 50 business days ago, you know, if this continues, then obviously, hopefully, you know, we just do what we've been doing in previous years. There is, you know, I don't think shared savings should be flat if this trend continues, but we will just see what data we get, any prior period stuff in the current year across our value-based book.

Speaker #8: Our approach is just to keep executing every quarter. There'll be some puts and takes. But as we get more data, we get comfortable in then adjusting guidance.

Speaker #8: We just gave guidance about 50 business days ago. So if this continues, then obviously, hopefully, we'll just do what we've been doing in previous years.

Speaker #8: But there's I don't think shared savings should be flat if this trend continues, but we'll just see what data we get any prior period stuff in the current year.

Speaker #8: Across our value-based book, but if the trend continues, then it should grow year over year.

Parth Mehrotra: If the trend continues, then, you know, it should grow year over year.

Speaker #3: Next question, please.

Robert Borchert: Next question, please.

Rachel Haiera: Next question will come from the line of Jessica Tassan from Piper Sandler. Jessica, go ahead.

Operator: Next question will come from the line of Jessica Tassan from Piper Sandler. Jessica, go ahead.

Speaker #6: Next question. Will come from the line of Jessica Tasson from Piper Sandler. Jessica, go ahead.

Speaker #9: Hi, guys. Thank you, I appreciate the question. So, I know you emphasized just the focus on attributed lives, so I’m interested if you guys can discuss your perspective on Medicare Advantage, just given final year of V28.

Jessica Tassan: Hi, guys. Thank you. I appreciate the question. I know you emphasized just the focus on attributed lives, I'm interested if you guys can discuss your perspective on Medicare Advantage, just given final year of V28. Is the space emerging as more attractive as you guys hear payers describe kind of prioritization of margin over growth for 2027? Then just interested to kind of hear what your appetite for that business is, whether you're seeing a sustained effort from the payers to sub-cap lives or any change in payer appetite. Just any directional commentary on how we might think about the capitated business from here. Thank you.

Speaker #9: Is the space emerging as more attractive as you guys hear payers describe kind of prioritization of margin over growth for '27? And then just interested to kind of hear what your appetite for that business is, whether you're seeing a sustained effort from the payers to subcap lives, or any change in payer appetite?

Speaker #9: And just any directional commentary on how we might think about the capitated business from here. Thank you.

Speaker #8: Yeah, thanks for the question, Jess. So our answer is not that different from what I think came up last earnings call as well. MA has overall good tailwinds with the demographic changes that we'll see over the next 5, 10, 15 years.

Parth Mehrotra: Thanks for the question, Jeff. Our answer is not that different from what I think came up last earnings call as well. MA has, you know, overall good tailwinds with the demographic changes that we'll see over the next five, 10, 15 years. I think it's a pretty important programs, whether you do it with CMS directly or through payers. We are really focused on the MA book. I mean, you can see now we have over 550,000 MA attributed lives between MSSP and then Medicare Advantage. You know, I think we're highly focused on growing that book, both attribution and then performing in that.

Speaker #8: So I think it's a pretty important program, whether you do it with CMS directly or through payers. We are really focused on the MA book.

Speaker #8: I mean, you can see now we have over 550,000 MA-attributed lives between MSSP and then Medicare Advantage. And so, I think we're highly focused on growing that book.

Speaker #8: Both attribution and then performing in that. I think as it relates to capitation or subcapitation, I mean, you've seen our view that doing full capitation is not the only way where you perform well in MA.

Parth Mehrotra: I think as it relates to capitation or sub-capitation, I mean, you've seen our view that doing full capitation is not the only way where you perform well in MA. You know, we believe in sharing the risk. That view remains consistent. It avoids any potential conflict of interest as payers adjust in each state, in each local geography, you know, with baseline trends, with utilization, or their program designs, or attribution changes. I think as V28 flushes through, I think there are some other adjustments that CMS has announced that they will do with the program across the board. I think just generally having good hygiene around the program. I think we'll just continue to work with the payers.

Speaker #8: We believe in sharing the risk. That view remains consistent. It avoids any potential conflict of interest as payers adjust in each state, in each local geography.

Speaker #8: With baseline trends with utilization or their program designs or attribution changes, so I think as V28 flushes through, I think there are some other adjustments that CMS has announced that they will do with the program.

Speaker #8: Across the board, I think just generally having good hygiene around the program. So I think we'll just continue to work with the payers. The value we really bring is very low-cost, dense networks in all of our geographies.

Parth Mehrotra: The value we really bring is very low cost, dense networks in all of our geographies. I think that's Privia's value proposition to any payer. That I think just will speak for itself because we have the doctors, we have the patients. The patients don't leave the doctors no matter what happens to V-28 or MA program or what a particular payer might do or not do. That relationship is what we bring to the table, and our ability to influence the total cost of care with that patient, starting with the lowest cost setting, I think is very, very positive for our business and the tailwinds we have. I think we'll continue to work with the payers as long as our doctors get rewarded for taking risk, we will take more risk.

Speaker #8: I think that's Privia's value proposition to any payer. That, I think, just will speak for itself because we have the doctors, we have the patients, the patients don't leave the doctors no matter what happens to V28 or MA program or what some particular payer might do or not do.

Speaker #8: That relationship is what we bring to the table. And our ability to influence the total cost of care with that patient starting with the lowest cost setting, I think is very, very positive for our business and the tailwinds we have.

Speaker #8: So I think we'll continue to work with the payers as long as our doctors get rewarded. Taking risk, we will take more risk. We prefer the shared risk model.

Parth Mehrotra: We prefer the shared risk model. Some of our book will be capitated going forward as it is today. Some would be shared risk, with a lot more upside. We'll just see how this plays out in every geography because, you know, you're contracting at the ZIP code level, in different risk pools. Even though the macro environment may get better and the payers come out of the last couple of years, you know, how we contract with them just varies by geography.

Speaker #8: Some of our book will be capitated going forward as it is today. Some would be shared risk with a lot more upside. So we'll just see how this plays out in every geography because you're contracting at the zip code level.

Speaker #8: In different risk pools, and so even though the macro environment may get better and the payers come out of the last couple of years, how we contract with them just varies by geography.

Robert Borchert: Pat, next question, please. Operator?

Speaker #3: Pat, next question, please. Operator.

Operator 2: Fine. The next question will come from the line of Matthew Gillmor with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Operator: Fine. The next question will come from the line of Matthew Gillmor with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Hi, and the next question will come from the line of Matthew Gilmore with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Matthew Gillmor: Good morning. Thanks for the question. Parth, I had a bigger picture question just on growth. You know, our thought is that there's gonna be some, you know, washout with the industry and, you know, perhaps you're seeing that already and that stronger organizations with good balance sheets will benefit from that. Is that something you're seeing either from the business development pipeline or with M&A? Are there more opportunities than you've seen in the past, or would you describe it as more steady Eddie?

Speaker #10: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. Partha had a bigger picture question just on growth. Our thought is that there's going to be some washout with the industry and perhaps you're seeing that already and that stronger organizations with good balance sheets, full benefit from that.

Speaker #10: Is that something you're seeing either from the business development pipeline or with M&A? Are there more opportunities than you've seen in the past, or would you describe it as more steady-eddy?

Speaker #8: Yeah, I appreciate the question, Matt. I think you're right. There was a lot of investments done VCs entering the space, private equity being very aggressive.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, I appreciate the question, Matt. I think you're right. You know, there was a lot of investments done, VCs entering the space, private equity being very aggressive. You know, I think with all of that dissipating, I think it bodes well for a business like Privia with a very strong balance sheet and free cash flow profile. I think, also medical groups with ownership structures, which were, you know, pretty unique across the landscape with physicians owning certain assets, small businesses owning certain assets, smaller private equity firms owning certain assets. I think, as they look for exit or they look for a much more permanent capital structure, I think they've seen what they have to see in the last four or five years.

Speaker #8: I think with all of that dissipating, I think it bodes well for a business like Privia with a very strong balance sheet and free cash flow profile.

Speaker #8: I think also medical groups with ownership structures which were pretty unique across the landscape with physicians owning certain assets, small businesses owning certain assets, smaller private equity firms owning certain assets.

Speaker #8: I think as they look for exit or they look for a much more permanent capital structure, I think they've seen what they have to see in the last four or five years.

Speaker #8: And I think they realize what a company like Privia is from that kind of an ownership, permanent capital perspective. So I think our business development pipeline is really strong.

Parth Mehrotra: I think they realize what a company like Privia is from that kind of an ownership permanent capital perspective. I think our business development pipeline is really strong. We're looking at deals across the spectrum. As you know, our platform is really broad in terms of we could acquire service entities, tech platforms, ACO entities, medical groups, tax IDs. It's really broad in terms of what we can do and how we can uniquely structure these deals. Ultimately, with the objective of creating these dense medical groups, ACOs, and full tech and services platforms in every state in a very integrated fashion. I think that's our, that's a very unique value proposition that we bring to the table for any physician group, any patient, any specialty, any type of value-based arrangement.

Speaker #8: We're looking at deals across the spectrum. And as you know, our platform's really broad in terms of we could acquire service entities. Tech platforms, ACO entities, medical groups, tax IDs.

Speaker #8: So it's really broad in terms of what we can do and how we can uniquely structure these deals. Ultimately, with the objective of creating these dense medical groups, ACOs, and full tech and services platforms in every state in a very integrated fashion, I think that's our that's a very unique value proposition that we bring to the table for any physician group, any patient, any specialty, any type of value-based arrangement.

Parth Mehrotra: I think, you know, we're keeping busy and, you know, we'll continue to deploy capital to keep compounding the business. You've seen us do that last year. I think we'll continue to just do it. Just be disciplined around it. Just be patient with valuation expectations. I think as there are less and less exit opportunities for, you know, some of these assets, I think we've become a pretty attractive option. Pat, please.

Speaker #8: So I think we're keeping busy, and we'll continue to deploy capital to keep compounding the business. You've seen us do that last year. I think we'll continue to just do it.

Speaker #8: Just be disciplined around it. Just be patient with valuation expectations. But I think as they are less and less exit opportunities for some of these assets, I think we've become a pretty attractive option.

Robert Borchert: Pat, please.

Speaker #3: Pat, please.

Speaker #6: All right. Next question will come from the line of Elizabeth Anderson with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Operator 2: All right, next question will come from the line of Elizabeth Anderson with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right, next question will come from the line of Elizabeth Anderson with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Elizabeth Anderson: Hi, everyone. Thanks very much for the question, and congrats on the quarter. Maybe just to piggyback off of what Matt was saying. I mean, you've obviously built Privia, like, around primary care as an entry point, expanding that. As, like, the network maturity, like, grows, how do you think about adding more specialty or perhaps changing the mix? Is that sort of something that you just think will happen sort of naturally? Is there any change in how you're thinking about that, as an attractiveness in terms of the mix? Thank you.

Speaker #11: Hi, everyone. Thanks very much for the question, and congrats on the quarter. Maybe just to piggyback off of what Matt was saying—I mean, you've obviously built Privia around primary care as an entry point, expanding that.

Speaker #11: But it's like the network maturity grows. How do you think about adding more specialty or perhaps changing the mix? Is that sort of something that you just think will happen sort of naturally?

Speaker #11: Is there any change in how you're thinking about that as an attractiveness in terms of the mix? Thank you.

Speaker #8: Yeah, thanks for the question, Elizabeth. So I think that's already happening very naturally. It varies by geography. Because the physician mix is different in every geography.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, thanks for the question, Elizabeth. I think that's already happening very naturally. It varies by geography, because, you know, the physician mix is different in every geography we are in, who we partner with initially is different. Today, even today, we have, you know, it's a 60-40 mix, trending towards a 50-50 mix. We define primary care pretty broadly, so who's the first point of contact for somebody in the family to include pediatricians for the children, OBGYNs, family medicine, internal medicine, so on and so forth. I think it's already happening. You know, even on the specialty side, we're not really focused on the surgical specialties.

Speaker #8: We are in who we partner with initially is different. So today, even today, we have it's a 60/40 mix. Trending towards a 50/50 mix.

Speaker #8: And we define primary care pretty broadly. So who's the first point of contact for somebody in the family to include pediatricians for the children, OB/GYNs, family medicine, internal medicine.

Speaker #8: So on and so forth. So I think it's already happening. And even on the specialty side, we're not really focused on the surgical specialties.

Speaker #8: But over time, as volumes move outside of the health system, and we can focus on total cost of care for certain procedures, surgeries move to the ASC setting, I think that becomes pretty attractive for a multispecialty medical group like ours.

Parth Mehrotra: Over time, as volumes move outside of the health system and we can focus on total cost of care for certain procedures, surgeries move to the ASC setting, I think that becomes pretty attractive for a multi-specialty medical group like ours. I think you'll continue to see us expand on that strategy. You know, we are set up really well to do that. You know, 80% of the total cost is downstream from the PCP with a lot of reimbursements still in fee for service. I think the engine that we have today to add value to those practices, I think is also very differentiated.

Speaker #8: And so I think you'll continue to see us expand on that strategy, and we are set up really well to do that. Eighty percent of the total cost is downstream from the PCP.

Speaker #8: With a lot of reimbursement still in fee-for-service. And so I think the engine that we have today to add value to those practices I think is also very differentiated.

Speaker #8: And then over time, as value-based arrangements and programs evolve, that includes those specialists, I think we are very well positioned to capitalize on that opportunity.

Parth Mehrotra: Then over time, as value-based arrangements and programs evolve, you know, that includes those specialists, I think we are very well positioned to capitalize on that opportunity.

Speaker #6: Makes sense. Thank you. All right. Next question will come from the line of AJ Rice with UBS. Please go ahead.

Elizabeth Anderson: Makes sense. Thank you.

Operator 2: All right, next question will come from the line of A.J. Rice with UBS. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right, next question will come from the line of A.J. Rice with UBS. Please go ahead.

A.J. Rice: Hi, everybody. I thought I might ask you about this new LEAD program and your thoughts on that. We're hearing that some providers that maybe historically haven't been particularly well positioned for some of the value-based care that this program is offering them some opportunities. I wondered how you see it, and do you see this as something incremental that you'd have interest in?

Speaker #12: Hi, everybody. I thought I might ask you about this new lead program and your thoughts on that. We're hearing that some providers that maybe historically haven't been particularly well positioned for some of the value-based care, that this program is offering them some opportunities.

Speaker #12: And so I wondered how you see it. And do you see this as something incremental that you have interest in?

Speaker #8: Yeah, I appreciate the question, AJ. So really similar to Reach when that came about three years ago or so. I mean, we evaluate all the programs from CMS.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, appreciate the question, A.J. You know, really similar to REACH when that came about 3 years ago or so, I mean, we evaluate all the programs from CMS. I think given what we see today, it's unlikely we'll move our MSSP ACOs into LEAD, you know, just given how well we perform, the nature of the program. You can do one. You can't do both with the same TIN. You gotta pick one, really. I think MSSP is designed really well. You know, our hope is some of the elements of LEAD as CMS experiments with these and changes some of these programs to make them more long-term sustainable.

Speaker #8: I think given what we see today, it's unlikely we'll move our MSSP ACOs into lead. Just given how well we perform, the nature of the program, you can do one versus you can't do both with the same TIN.

Speaker #8: So you got to pick one, really. And I think MSSP is designed really well. Our hope is some of the elements of lead as CMS experiments with these and changes some of these programs to make them more long-term sustainable.

Speaker #8: I think you could see more convergence between MSSP and lead as an example because a lot of the baseline program structure is pretty much the same with some added benefits in lead.

Parth Mehrotra: I think you could see more convergence between MSSP and LEAD as an example, because a lot of the baseline program structure is pretty much the same with some added benefits in LEAD. Again, it's a new program. It comes into effect next year. We'll evaluate it. You know, I don't think you should expect us to move our existing MSSP book, but we have the flexibility to add new providers and lives into LEAD in new geographies. If we acquire a business that had REACH that is that it makes sense to move them into LEAD, I think we'll look at that. Like any other program, we just evaluate it.

Speaker #8: So again, it's a new program. It comes into effect next year. We'll evaluate it. I don't think you should expect us to move our existing MSSP book, but we have the flexibility to add new providers and lives into lead in new geographies.

Speaker #8: Or if we acquire a business that had Reach that it makes sense to move them into lead, I think we'll look at that. So like any other program, we'll just evaluate it.

Speaker #8: But we think it's the step in the right direction. And CMS continues to evolve its thinking and taking out some of the program structures that make it more attractive for certain set of providers like health systems, so on and so forth.

Parth Mehrotra: You know, we think it's a step in the right direction, and CMS continues to evolve its thinking and, you know, taking out some of the program structures that make it more attractive for certain set of providers like health systems, so on and so forth. We'll just see how it comes about.

Speaker #8: So we'll just see how it comes about.

Speaker #12: Okay. Thanks a lot.

A.J. Rice: Okay, thanks a lot.

Operator 2: All right, next question will come from the line of Sean Dodge by BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right, next question will come from the line of Sean Dodge by BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: All right. Next question will come from the line of Sean Dodds by BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker #13: Hey, good morning. This is Thomas Kelleran for Sean. Thanks for taking the question. On the attributed lives in the commercial side of the business, the number of lives we are taking downside risk is up about 60% over the last two years.

Thomas Keller: Hey, good morning. This is Thomas Keller in for Sean. Thanks for taking the question. On the attributed lives on the commercial side of the business, the number of lives where you're taking downside risk is up about 60% over the last 2 years. Can you walk us through how risk works in commercial? How does the shared savings potential per individual and the volatility of that shared savings compare to some of the government programs? Thanks.

Speaker #13: Can you walk us through how risk works in commercial and then how does the shared savings potential per individual and the volatility of that shared savings compared to some of the government programs?

Speaker #13: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah, that's a great question. Appreciate it, Tom. So look, I think it speaks to the value prop that Privia brings to payers where just backing off of what I said earlier, once you bring a very large dense low-cost medical group structure in any geography, we are one of the very few entities that can do commercial value-based at this scale.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, that's a great question. Appreciate it, Thomas. Look, I think it speaks to the value prop that Privia brings to payers, where, you know, just backing off of what I said earlier, once you bring a very large, dense, low-cost medical group structure in any geography, we are one of the you know, very few entities that can do commercial value based at this scale. Optum Health does it really well in certain geographies. I think the value prop is really converting the traditional fee for service payment stream into helping the payer, you know, take care of these lives, manage the total cost of care, you know, having some quality metrics around different subsets of populations, whether it's children, whether it's working adults, whether it's pre-Medicare population between 50 to 65.

Speaker #8: Optum Health does it really well in certain geographies. And I think the value prop is really converting the traditional fee-for-service payment stream into helping the payer take care of these lives, manage the total cost of care, having some quality metrics.

Speaker #8: Around different subsets of populations, whether it's children, whether it's working adults, whether it's pre-Medicare, population between 50 to 65. So we are converting some of the work we do into our ability to take some risk on those lives, helping the payer manage their MLR really, really better.

Parth Mehrotra: We are converting, you know, some of the work we do into our ability to take some risk on those lives, helping the payer manage their MLR really, really better. And honestly, you know, the payers are willing to compensate us in addition to the fee-for-service-A reimbursement on a care management PMPM basis, as well as certain quality-based bonus payments, and then ultimately, shared savings if we bend the MLR cost curve for them. You know, over time, you know, we're not gonna take a lot of risk in this book because it's open access product. The commercial patient has the ability to go wherever it likes pretty much for different needs, especially if there's a specialty event. But again, we have corridors on risk.

Speaker #8: And honestly, the payers are willing to compensate us in addition to the fee-for-service reimbursement on a care management PM/PM basis, as well as certain quality-based bonus payments, and then ultimately shared savings if we bend the MLR cost curve for them.

Speaker #8: So over time, we're not going to take a lot of risk in this book because it's open access product. The commercial patient has the ability to go wherever it likes pretty much for different needs, especially if there's a specialty event and but again, we have corridors on risk.

Parth Mehrotra: As you're seeing, we are working with more and more payers across our geographies to implement some of these contracts and try to perform well. Our objective remains the same. We give value to the payers, it reduces their MLR. Our doctors and medical groups need to get compensated for it, and it's really an effort to move, some of the traditional fee-for-service payments into more value orientation. It's still give or take 50% of the population is commercially insured, give or take the geography. This is really trying to do value-based care at a very, very broad scale, you know, for the working class population.

Speaker #8: But as you're seeing, we are working with more and more payers across our geographies to implement some of these contracts and try to perform well.

Speaker #8: Our objective remains the same. We get value to the payers. It reduces their MLR. Our doctors and medical groups need to get compensated for it.

Speaker #8: And it's really an effort to move some of the traditional fee-for-service payments into more value orientation. It's still give or take 50% of the population is commercially insured, give or take the geography.

Speaker #8: And so this is really trying to do value-based care at a very, very broad scale. For the working-class population.

Speaker #13: All right. Great. Thank you very much.

Thomas Keller: All right. Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker #6: All right. That concludes our call. I’ll now turn the call back over to Robert.

Operator 2: All right, that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Robert.

Operator: All right, that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Robert.

Speaker #1: I'm sorry. Pat, we're still taking questions, Pat.

Robert Borchert: I'm sorry, Pat, we're still taking questions, Pat.

Operator 2: Oh. Oh, no worries. The next question will come from the line of Matthew Shea with Needham. Please go ahead.

Operator: Oh. Oh, no worries. The next question will come from the line of Matthew Shea with Needham. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Oh. No worries. So the next question will come from the line of Matt Seah with Needham. Please go ahead.

Matthew Shea: Hey, good morning. Thanks for extending the Q&A there, Robert. Wanted to touch on technology. We picked up, I think, in April, that you guys brought on a new Chief Technology Officer. Seems to bring a good background to an interesting moment, particularly as you're expanding the implementation base. Would love to hear what gets you excited about this appointment. I know you touched on some of the tech investments you were making last quarter, but seems like AI is becoming a louder theme in healthcare. Curious if the new hire changes any of your thinkings or maybe accelerates some of your initiatives.

Matt Shea: Hey, good morning. Thanks for extending the Q&A there, Robert. Wanted to touch on technology. We picked up, I think, in April, that you guys brought on a new Chief Technology Officer. Seems to bring a good background to an interesting moment, particularly as you're expanding the implementation base. Would love to hear what gets you excited about this appointment. I know you touched on some of the tech investments you were making last quarter, but seems like AI is becoming a louder theme in healthcare. Curious if the new hire changes any of your thinkings or maybe accelerates some of your initiatives.

Speaker #14: Hey, good morning. Thanks for extending the Q&A there, Robert. Wanted to touch on technology. We picked up, I think, in April that you guys brought on a new chief technology officer.

Speaker #14: Seems to bring a good background to an interesting moment, particularly as you're expanding the implementation base. So, would love to hear what gets you excited about this appointment.

Speaker #14: And I know you touched on some of the tech investments you are making last quarter, but it seems like AI is becoming a louder theme in healthcare.

Speaker #14: So curious if the new maybe accelerates some of your initiatives.

Speaker #8: Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate the question. So we had Gonda join us from Optum Insights. Really good background. It's on the website. And then Chris Voight, our longstanding CTO, finally retired after a very long career.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate the question. We had Ganda join us from Optum Insight. Really good background, it's on the website. Chris Voigt, our long-standing CTO, you know, finally retired after a very long career. He's been working tirelessly with us since the inception of Privia, pretty much. You know, we're just lucky that we don't lose our great people to any competitors. Look, I mean, we are really excited. Ganda brings a great background, renewed enthusiasm to the team. We talked a lot about, you know, our tech stack and what we are doing with AI across all aspects of our business. We try to link that with the margin profile of the business ultimately.

Speaker #8: He's been working tirelessly with us since the inception of Privia pretty much. So we're just lucky that we don't lose our great people to any competitors.

Speaker #8: So look, I mean, we are really excited. Gonda brings a great background, renewed enthusiasm to the team. We talked a lot about our tech stack and what we are doing with AI across all aspects of our business.

Speaker #8: And we try to link that with a margin profile of the business ultimately. So I think I'll just reiterate we are looking to implement different AI applications across our whole tech stack in three broad buckets.

Parth Mehrotra: I'll just reiterate, we are looking to implement different AI applications across our whole tech stack in three broad buckets, whether it's the Privia Enterprise, which is our core corporate functions, care center operations, and those are broken into fee-for-service, value-based care, and then again, patient interaction. The third ultimately is care delivery. In each of those buckets, we are working with a lot of existing players. Like, we're on Google Workspace and Gemini for all our corporate functions. We have Salesforce, Workday. We are also focused on every single function where we could use generative AI to increase productivity, ultimately reduce costs, or as we grow, do not add costs.

Speaker #8: Whether it's the Privia Enterprise, which is our core corporate functions, care center operations, and those are broken into fee-for-service, value-based care, and then again, patient interaction.

Speaker #8: And then the third ultimately is care delivery. And then in each of those buckets, we are working with a lot of existing players. We're on Google Suite and Gemini for all our corporate functions.

Speaker #8: We have Salesforce Workday we are also focused on every single function where we could use generative AI to increase productivity, ultimately reduce costs, or as we grow, do not add costs.

Parth Mehrotra: You know, existing partnerships with Snowflake on their Cortex AI, as an example. I think this will evolve as applications are just getting better every 3, 6 months. On the care center side, you know, we're looking at literally every single workflow in the doctor's office. On the fee-for-service side, you know, some examples we had iterated last time were prior auth, autonomous coding, referral management. On the value-based side, we're focused on care gap closures, chart prep, patient scheduling. You know, patient interaction's a big focus with agentic AI. We're looking at automated outreach, agentic AI engagement with the patient, self-service tools. Virtual health obviously, I think will get, you know, much more efficient.

Speaker #8: Existing partnerships with Snowflakes on their CODEX AI as an example. So I think this will evolve as applications are just getting better every three, six months.

Speaker #8: And then on the care center side, we're looking at literally every single workflow in the doctor's office. On the fee-for-service side, some examples we had iterated last time were prior auth, autonomous coding, referral managements.

Speaker #8: On the value-based side, we're focused on care gap closures, chart prep, patient scheduling, patient interactions, big focus with Agentic AI we're looking at automated outreach.

Speaker #8: Agentic AI engagement with the patients, self-service tools, virtual health, obviously. I think we'll get much more efficient. And then ultimately with care delivery, you're looking at complete, accurate coding, clinical decision support, suspect medical conditions, things like that.

Parth Mehrotra: Ultimately, with care delivery, you know, you're looking at complete accurate coding, clinical decision support, you know, suspect medical conditions, things like that. I think there are a whole host of companies that are coming about. I think, you'll see us just evolve the strategy, again, using our build by partner approach. But I think a company like ours with, you know, 6 million patients, these many, you know, 1.6 in value-based lives, complex workflows around physician practices. With our scale, I think we're just set up really well to benefit. I think, you know, we talked about the margin profile. I mean, we are already approaching the low end of our long-term margin target, EBITDA care margin of 30% to 35%.

Speaker #8: So I think there are a whole host of companies that are coming about. I think you'll see us just evolve this strategy. Again, using approach.

Speaker #8: But I think a company like ours, with 6 million patients, these many—1.6 million in value-based lives, complex workflows around physician practices—with our scale, I think we're just set up really well to benefit.

Speaker #8: And then I think we talked about the margin profile. I mean, we are already approaching the low end of our long-term margin target, EBITDA to care margin of 30 to 35 percent.

Speaker #8: Our guidance this year gets us close to 29%. I think if we look at the next five years with everything we see that we can do with AI, I think we'll easily be close to the high end, if not exceed the high end of that margin target.

Parth Mehrotra: Our guidance this year, you know, gets us close to 29%. I think if we look at the next 5 years, with everything we see that we can do with AI, I think we'll easily be, you know, at close to the high end, if not exceed the high end of that margin target. We're really excited on what we can do with all the innovation and really excited what our new CTO can bring to the table here.

Speaker #8: So we're really excited on what we could do with all the innovation. And really excited what our new CTO can bring to the table here.

Speaker #1: Great. Appreciate the caller.

Matthew Shea: Great. Appreciate the color.

Matt Shea: Great. Appreciate the color.

Speaker #6: All right. Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on the telephone keypad. So the next question will come from the line of Andrew Mock with Barclays.

Operator 2: All right. Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on the telephone keypad. The next question will come from the line of Andrew Mok with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right. Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on the telephone keypad. The next question will come from the line of Andrew Mok with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Please go ahead.

Andrew Mok: Hi, good morning. Just wanted to follow up on the shared savings revenue. Could you elaborate a little bit more on the drivers of strength in the quarter, including how much corresponds to prior year performance versus current year performance? Related to this, it would be helpful to hear an update on how the Evolent assets are performing. Thanks.

Speaker #15: Hi, good morning. Just wanted to follow up on the shared savings revenue. Could you elaborate a little bit more on the drivers of strength in the quarter, including how much corresponds to prior year performance versus current year performance? Related to this, it would be helpful to hear an update on how the Evelyn assets are performing.

Speaker #15: Thanks.

Parth Mehrotra: I appreciate it, Andrew. I mean, past quarters, I mean, we don't usually break down. I mean, there's always some dry period at this point in the year as 2025 closes out, and it's across the book, commercial, MSSP, MA. There's obviously we get good data, then we see, you know, what our actuaries believe we can how we can perform in the current year. There's always a mix between the two. It varies quarter by quarter. For me to give you something, it's gonna change next quarter. I think if you just look at a rolling 12-month basis, you'll see the increase over time. It's pretty much across the book. There was not one particular area that stood out, which just bodes well for us. Sorry, could you repeat the second question?

Speaker #8: I appreciate it, Andrew. So look, last past quarters, I mean, we don't usually break down. I mean, there's always some dry period at this point in the year.

Speaker #8: As 2025 closes out and it's across the book, commercial, MSSP, MA, and then there's obviously we get good data and then we see our what our actuaries believe we can how we can perform in the current year.

Speaker #8: So there's always a mix between the two. It varies quarter by quarter. So for me to give you something, it's going to change next quarter.

Speaker #8: So I think if you just look at a rolling 12-month basis, you'll see the increase over time. But it's pretty much across the book.

Speaker #8: There was not one particular area that stood out, which just votes well for us. Sorry, could you repeat the second question? I thought there was a follow-up.

Parth Mehrotra: I think I thought there was a follow-up.

Andrew Mok: Just an update on the Evolent assets.

Speaker #1: Just an update on the Evelyn assets.

Speaker #8: Oh, yeah. So I think it's going really well. I think we're ahead on the integration. We feel really good about the asset. It's a core MSSP and some commercial lives.

Parth Mehrotra: Oh, yeah. I think it's going really well. I think we're ahead on the integration. You know, we feel really good about the asset. It's core MSSP and some commercial lives. I think we're really excited about the team's pretty integrated in the first 3 months. The tech stack's pretty much integrated. We're ahead on schedule a little bit there, so kudos to the team of doing a very hard job, you know, out of the gate here. We look forward to working with those with those provider partners and continue to increase their performance. I think hopefully, if all that works out well, that'll be good for shared savings as well as we close out this year.

Speaker #8: So I think we're really excited about the team's pretty integrated in the first three months. The tech stack's pretty much integrated. We're ahead on schedule a little bit there.

Speaker #8: So kudos to the team of doing a really hard job out of the gate here. And we look forward to working with those provider partners and continue to increase their performance.

Speaker #8: So I think hopefully if all that works out well, that'll be good for shared savings as well as we close out this year.

Speaker #1: Great. Thank you.

Andrew Mok: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #3: And I'll just mention again that if you haven't asked a question yet and you want to get back to the queue, press one so that we make sure we answer your question.

Robert Borchert: I'll just mention again that if you haven't asked a question yet and you wanna get back in the queue, press one so that we make sure we answer your question. Next question, please.

Speaker #3: Next question, please.

Operator 2: Next question will come from the line of Daniel Grosslight with Citi. Please go ahead.

Operator: Next question will come from the line of Daniel Grosslight with Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Next question. Will come from the line of Daniel Grasslight with Citi. Please go ahead.

Daniel Grosslight: Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I actually had a similar question to the last part of the previous question, but hoping to get a little bit more granular detail on specifically the sell-through of the full Privia platform into the physician base. What's been the early reception there? Are there any metrics you can kind of give us on kind of what that sell-through has been and the progress really you're making in the 6 new states? Any stats or quantification you can give us where Evolent gave you that beach head in those newer states? Thanks.

Speaker #16: Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I actually had a similar question to the last part of the previous question, but I was hoping to get a little bit more granular detail on specifically the sell-through of the full Privia platform into the physician base.

Speaker #16: What's been the early reception there? Are there any metrics you can kind of give us on kind of what that sell-through has been? And the progress really you're making in the six new states.

Speaker #16: Any stats or quantification you can give us where Evelyn gave you that beachhead in those newer states? Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah. I appreciate the question. I mean, it's still early days. I mean, the cross-sell takes time. I mean, we're just five months, less than five months into the acquisition, closed it in December.

Parth Mehrotra: I appreciate the question. I mean, it's still early days. I mean, the cross-sell takes time. I mean, we're just 5 months, less than 5 months into the acquisition. Closed it in December. You know, job number 1 was making sure the team is integrated, making sure the tech stack's integrated, making sure we reach out to the practices and implement, you know, how we work on these programs, on MSSP in particular. I think that's been our focus. Our sales team, you know, obviously reaches out to these practices to deliver the full Privia stack, but that happens usually over time. Our sales cycles are 3 to 6 months. When you're cross-selling, it's a new relationship. You just don't wanna disrupt what's there initially. I think though that will come over time.

Speaker #8: So job number one was making sure the team is integrated, making sure the tech stack's integrated, making sure we reach out to the practices and implement how we work on these programs, on MSSP in particular.

Speaker #8: So I think that's been our focus. Our sales team obviously reaches out to these practices to deliver the full Privia stack and but that happens usually over time.

Speaker #8: Our sales cycles are three to six months. When you're cross-selling, it's a new relationship. You just don't want to disrupt what's there initially. So, I think that will come over time.

Parth Mehrotra: We just don't break out externally what portion of those practices move over. I think that's just part of our existing book. You'll see that in the implemented provider numbers which only reflect the providers that are on the full stack and part of the single TIN from a fee-for-service perspective. That'll just happen over time.

Speaker #8: We just don't break out externally what portion of those practices move over. I think that's just part of our existing book. So you'll see that in the implemented provider numbers, which only reflect the providers that are on the full stack and part of the singleton from a FIFA service perspective.

Speaker #8: So that'll just happen over time.

Speaker #1: Thank you.

Daniel Grosslight: Thank you.

Operator 2: Next question will come from the line of Ryan Langston with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Operator: Next question will come from the line of Ryan Langston with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Next question will come from the line of Ryan Langston with Didi Colvin. Please go ahead.

Speaker #17: Hey, this is Will Spivak on for Ryan. Most of my questions have been asked, but I guess just is there any color you can provide around the 11 million repurchase of NCI in the quarter?

Will Streeback: Hey, this is Will Streeback on for Ryan. Most of my questions have been asked, but I guess just is there any color you can provide around the $11 million repurchase of NCI in the quarter? Just a quick one on, you know, didn't seem like there was a major impact, but anything from weather and weaker respiratory on ambulatory utilization in the quarter? Thanks.

[Analyst] (TD Cowen): Hey, this is Will Streeback on for Ryan. Most of my questions have been asked, but I guess just is there any color you can provide around the $11 million repurchase of NCI in the quarter? Just a quick one on, you know, didn't seem like there was a major impact, but anything from weather and weaker respiratory on ambulatory utilization in the quarter? Thanks.

Speaker #17: And then just a quick one on didn't seem like there was a major impact, but anything from weather and weaker respiratory on ambulatory utilization in the quarter.

Speaker #17: Thanks.

Speaker #18: Yeah. So on the repurchase of the non-controlling interest, yeah, we just acquired the minority interest in some of our markets. We expect it's going to lead to better cash flow and net income.

David Mountcastle: Yeah. On the repurchase of the non-controlling interest, yeah, we just acquired the minority interest in certain some of our markets. We expect it's gonna lead to better cash flow and net income. You know, we're constantly looking in our current markets where we have minority interest for these opportunities, we just executed on a couple of those in the quarter.

Speaker #18: We're constantly looking in our current markets where we have minority interest for these opportunities, and we just executed on a couple of those in the quarter.

Speaker #8: And on the second part, look, I think it's important to distinguish, as we've said before, on ambulatory in the community doctor utilization for flu or other respiratory diseases versus the inpatient.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah. On the second part, look, I think it's important to distinguish, as we've said before, on ambulatory in the community doctor utilization for flu or other respiratory diseases versus the inpatient. We didn't see any, you know, any major swings relative to previous years. I mean, the flu season comes and goes. Some years it's better, some years it's worse. I mean, our book is very well diversified, so we didn't experience, you know, the kind of change that I guess you all wrote about for some of the hospital companies reporting results in the past quarter. I think inpatient can vary a lot more than ambulatory. I think preventative care continues to be pretty good around flu, people getting their vaccinations, going in if they had symptoms, so on and so forth.

Speaker #8: We didn't see any major swings relative to previous years. I mean, the flu season comes and goes. Some years it's better. Some years it's worse.

Speaker #8: I mean, our book is very well diversified. So we didn't experience the kind of change that I guess you all wrote about for some of the hospital companies reporting results in the past quarter.

Speaker #8: I think inpatient can vary a lot more than ambulatory. I think preventative care continues to be pretty good around flu. People getting their vaccinations, going in if they had symptoms, so on and so forth.

Parth Mehrotra: Even with snow days, you know, telehealth is fully embedded in. It's really efficient. People know how to use it. That's reflected in our results. You didn't see practice collections dip because of that. I think, it just speaks to the diversification of our business.

Speaker #8: Even with snow days, telehealth is fully embedded in. It's really efficient. People know how to use it. So that's reflected in our results. You didn't see practice collections.

Speaker #8: It did because of that. I think it just speaks to the diversification of our business.

Operator 2: Next question will come from the line of Whit Mayo with Leerink. Please go ahead.

Operator: Next question will come from the line of Whit Mayo with Leerink. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Next question will come from the line of Sweet Mayo with Lyric. Please go ahead.

Whit Mayo: Hey, thanks. Good morning. The press release didn't mention $600 million of cash at year-end. Probably nothing really to read into that, but just maybe update on expectations for cash this year. Parth, just wanted to maybe take your temperature on how you guys are thinking about buybacks at some point. Thanks.

Speaker #19: Hey, thanks. Good morning. The press release didn't mention $600 million of cash year-end, probably nothing really to read into that, but just maybe update on expectations for cash this year and part just wanted to maybe take your temperature on how you guys are thinking about buybacks at some point.

Speaker #19: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah. I appreciate the question, Wood. So yeah, I mean, the guidance is kind of the same. We reiterated 80% of EBITDA would convert to free cash.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, I appreciate the question, Whit. Yeah, I mean, you know, the guidance is kind of the same. We reiterated 80% of EBITDA would convert to free cash. If you exclude any BD line items, including things like purchasing or minority interest. Really, if you look at what cash was at the end of the year and just add free cash flow to it, which is cash flow from operations less CapEx, I think you should get close to that number. I don't think our guidance is changing there. That does not include, obviously, the business development line or any spend on acquisitions, which is not included in our guidance. That 600 round number excluding that remains if things go well.

Speaker #8: If you exclude any BD, line items, including things like purchasing of minority interest, so really if you look at what cash was at the end of the year and just add free cash flow to it, which is cash flow from operations less capex, I think you should get close to that number.

Speaker #8: I don't think our guidance is changing there. But that does not include obviously the business development line or any spend on acquisitions, which is not included in our guidance.

Speaker #8: So that $600 round numbers, excluding that, remains if things go well. And then look, our preference is given the TAM out there, and this relates to the question that was asked, given just the opportunity to continue to consolidate different assets in this industry, around the community-based physician groups, ACO entities, IPAs, MSO entities, so on and so forth.

Parth Mehrotra: Look, our preference is given the TAM out there, and this relates to the question that was asked, given just the opportunity to continue to consolidate different assets in this industry around the community-based physician groups, ACO entities, IPAs, MSO entities, so on and so forth. I think the best value creation opportunity for shareholders here is for us to keep compounding the business using our balance sheet cash to acquire these assets, integrate them, synergize them, and then just keep running that playbook. Obviously that's, you know, focus number 1 to deploying our cash. You've heard us say we have some sleep well at night money for a rainy day. You know, pandemics happen, hurricanes happen, so on and so forth. Look, we always have the flexibility to return capital.

Speaker #8: I think the best value creation opportunity for shareholders here is for us to keep compounding the business using our balance sheet cash to acquire these assets, integrate them, synergize them, and then just keep running that playbook.

Speaker #8: So obviously, that's focus number one to deploying our cash. You've heard us say we have some sleep well at night money for a rainy day.

Speaker #8: Pandemics happens, hurricanes happen, so on and so forth. And then look, we always have the flexibility to return capital. That's an easy trigger. If the value in the stock price is well, well below what we think is intrinsic for the company and where we think is fair, but our preference is to compound earnings and free cash flow and continue acquiring businesses.

Parth Mehrotra: That's an easy trigger if, you know, the value in the stock price is well below what we think is intrinsic for the company and where we think is fair. But our preference is to compound earnings and free cash flow and continue acquiring businesses with our balance sheet cash. It just depends when BD deals happen. You know, you can have cash accumulate, and then we could do larger transactions that are more meaningful and value creative. We'll just see how that plays out over the next 24 months.

Speaker #8: With our balance sheet cash. It just depends when BD deals happen. So you can have cash accumulate, and then we could do larger transactions that are more meaningful and value created.

Speaker #8: So we'll just see how that plays out over the next 24 months.

Speaker #19: Yep. I get it. Thanks a lot.

Whit Mayo: Yep, I get it. Thanks a lot.

Speaker #6: All right. Next question will come from the line of Jeff Garo with Steven. Please go ahead.

Operator 2: All right, next question comes from the line of Jeff Garro with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right, next question comes from the line of Jeff Garro with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Speaker #20: Yeah. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Wanted to ask about the strong implemented provider growth. One question, but I'll throw three parts at you.

Jeff Garro: Yeah, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Wanted to ask about the strong implemented provider growth. One question, but I'll throw three parts at you. First, any call-outs by market or specialty? Second, any update to contributions from provider to provider referrals? Third, how's the current visibility into the signed but not yet implemented providers and the current pipeline of provider prospects? Thanks.

Speaker #20: First, any callouts by market or specialty? Second, any update to contributions from provider to provider, referrals? And third, how's the current visibility into the signed but not yet implemented providers and the current pipeline of provider prospects?

Speaker #20: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah. I appreciate the question, Jeff. So I'll take them in order. Look, I think given now that we are in 15 states with the singleton model and then another 9 with the ACO only, the market or specialty mix just varies.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, I appreciate the question, Jeff. I'll take them in order. Look, I think, given now that we are in, you know, 15 states with the single TIN model and then another 9 with the ACO only, you know, the market or specialty mix just varies by quarter and by geography. You know, as a sales team builds its pipeline, they convert, and then some markets get hot 1 year or 1 quarter, and then the others catch up. That, just given the diversification of the book, it really varies each year. I think the strength of the overall business just speaks for itself. As we get bigger, we've talked about this earlier, like the snowballing effect happens in this business.

Speaker #8: By quarter and by geography. So as a sales team builds its pipeline, they convert, and then some markets get hot one year or one quarter, and then the others catch up.

Speaker #8: So that just given the diversification of the book, it really varies each year. I think the strength of the overall business just speaks for itself as we get bigger.

Speaker #8: We've talked about this earlier, like the snowballing effects happens in this business. In our most mature markets, 50, sometimes even 60, 70 percent of the referrals are from existing previous practices to their colleagues.

Parth Mehrotra: you know, in our most mature markets, 50%, sometimes even 60%, 70% of the referrals are from existing Privia practices to their colleagues. They are the best salespeople, our doctors. They've worked with us. They know what this model is. We perform for them. For them to just refer to another physician, that has very high conversion rates. The LTV to CAC is off the charts in this business, some of the best that I've seen. We've talked about our payback period is less than a year. LTV to CAC, well over 10 years if somebody even decides to leave. Our attrition rates are very, very low. Provider to provider referral is really strong. you know, the visibility is exceptional in this business.

Speaker #8: They are the best salespeople. Our doctors, they've worked with us. They know what this model is. We've performed for them. So for them to just refer to another physician, that has very high conversion rates.

Speaker #8: The LTV to CAC is off the charts in this business, some of the best that I've seen. We've talked about our payback period is less than a year.

Speaker #8: LTV to CAC well over 10 years if somebody even decides to leave, and then our attrition rates are very, very low. So provider to provider referrals really strong.

Speaker #8: And then the visibility is exceptional in this business. I mean, this is our sixth year reporting as a public company. You've seen the track record.

Parth Mehrotra: I mean, this is our sixth year reporting as a public company. You've seen the track record. You know, it's 3 to 6-month sales cycle, 4 to 5 to 6 months implementation cycles, given just the length of the size of the group. So by this time of the year, pretty much every provider that has to be implemented is pretty much sold. So, you know, the visibility is over 90-plus% at this point in the year. That's why, you know, we're really confident for the guidance. That hasn't changed much. If anything, it improves as the book of the business gets bigger. So again, the metrics around the business, the conversion rates, all are trending really, really well.

Speaker #8: It's a three- to six-month sales cycle, and a four- to five- to six-month implementation cycle, given just the length and the size of the group. And so, by this time of the year, pretty much every provider that has to be implemented is pretty much sold.

Speaker #8: So it's the visibility is over 90-plus percent. At this point in the year. And that's why we're really confident for the guidance. And that hasn't changed much.

Speaker #8: If anything, it improves as the book of the business gets bigger. So again, the metrics around the business, the conversion rates, all are trending really, really well.

Speaker #8: We're really pleased with how we're performing.

Parth Mehrotra: We're really pleased with how we're performing.

Speaker #6: All right. Next question will come from the line of Ryan Daniels with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Operator 2: All right, next question comes from the line of Ryan Daniels with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right, next question comes from the line of Ryan Daniels with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Speaker #21: Yeah. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Parth, maybe a strategic one for you, and you alluded to this earlier, but it seems like there's a lot going on real-time with acute care hospitals and health systems and movement of volume to lower-cost settings.

Ryan Daniels: Yeah, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Parth, maybe a strategic one for you, and you alluded to this earlier, but seems like there's a lot going on real-time with acute care hospitals and health systems and movement of volume to lower cost settings. You've got, you know, teams rolling out with entire episodes of care. You've got things like the inpatient-only list being dissolved. I'm curious what that is doing strategically with your conversations with health systems as a potential partner to help them deal with all these pretty big changes they are facing. Thanks.

Speaker #21: So we've got teams rolling out with entire episodes of care. You've got things like the inpatient-only list being dissolved. And I'm curious what that is doing strategically with your conversations with health systems as a potential partner to help them deal with all these pretty big changes they're facing.

Speaker #21: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah. I appreciate the question, Ryan. That's a good one. Look, I do think the pressure on the traditional health system model and how they were trying to monetize is going to be higher for all the reasons you outlined.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, I appreciate the question, Ryan. That's a good one. Look, I do think the pressure on the traditional health system, you know, model and how they were trying to monetize, is gonna be higher for all the reasons you outlined. You could add the 340B program if something changes there. Inpatient-only list, the willingness for them to employ primary care doctors or certain non-surgical specialties, and subsidize them. I mean, you know, a lot of you have written about that over the years. You know, I think it's gonna be tough. The changes to, you know, the Medicaid or the ACA exchange population and how that filters through different health systems is gonna also add pressure.

Speaker #8: You could add the 340B program. If something changes there, inpatient-only list, the willingness for them to employ primary care doctors or certain nonsurgical specialties and subsidize them.

Speaker #8: I mean, a lot of you have written about that over the years. I think it's going to be tough. The changes to the Medicaid or the ACA exchange population and how that filters through different health systems is going to also add pressure.

Speaker #8: So look, I think it bodes well for a business like ours as physicians look to come out of these settings. Into more outpatient settings.

Parth Mehrotra: I look, I think, you know, it bodes well for a business like ours as physicians look to come out of these settings into more outpatient settings and as different health systems figure out their strategy. I think it's gonna vary by health system. You know, different strategies and different communities, they have a different mandate. A lot of them are not-for-profit and are delivering, you know, care to really low-income populations. I think it'll vary by geography.

Speaker #8: And as different health systems figure out their strategy, I think it's going to vary by health system. Different strategies and different communities. They have a different mandate.

Speaker #8: A lot of them are not-for-profit. And are delivering care to really low-income populations. So I think it'll vary by geography. But generally speaking, I think as these pressures mount up, we should expect this consolidation that's happened with physician practices at the health system setting to start to unwind a little bit and physicians looking at businesses like ours to be a natural landing spot or even as they complete their residency as a very viable option.

Parth Mehrotra: Generally speaking, I think as these pressures mount up, we should expect, you know, this consolidation that's happened with physician practices at the health system setting to start to unwind a little bit and physicians looking at businesses like ours to be a natural landing spot or even as they complete their residency as a very viable option to start or join an existing independent practice. Then it also adds to the question that was asked before around certain specialties and ASC opportunity and our willingness to have a very strong referral base with primary care doctor having, you know, the pen in directing where the patient goes. I think we're gonna look at all of those strategies to keep expanding our network.

Speaker #8: To start or join an existing independent practice. And then it also adds to the question that was asked before around certain specialties and ASC opportunity and our willingness to have a very strong referral base.

Speaker #8: With primary care doctor having the pen in directing where the patient goes. So I think we're going to look at all of those strategies to keep expanding our network.

Speaker #8: And just given our platform, that focuses on creating large multispecialty groups in every single geography, that we are in. And then offering that to pairs of healthcare in unique ways.

Parth Mehrotra: Just given our platform that focuses on creating large multi-specialty groups in every single geography that we are in, and then offering that to payers of healthcare in unique ways, mainly on the commercial population as well, it's a big differentiation. I mean, you're seeing that in the results somewhat. They're very stable across cycles, and I think it's part of all of these strategies just playing out. I think we're just gonna keep looking for opportunities that we can keep compounding with that. Great question.

Speaker #8: Mainly on the commercial population as well. It's a big differentiation. And I mean, you're seeing that in the results somewhat. They're very stable across cycles.

Speaker #8: And I think it's part of all of these strategies just playing out. So I think we're just going to keep looking for opportunities that we can keep compounding with that.

Speaker #8: But great question.

Speaker #22: Great. Thanks so much.

Ryan Daniels: Great. Thanks so much.

Speaker #6: All right. Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star. And then the number one key on your telephone keep. So the next question will come from the line of Constantine Davids with Citizen.

Operator 2: All right. The next question will comes from the line of Constantine David with Citizen. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right. The next question will comes from the line of Constantine David with Citizen. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Please go ahead.

Speaker #23: Yeah. Just two really quick ones. For me, David, it looks like capitated profitability really stepped up in the first quarter just wondering if there's anything to call out there.

Constantine Davides: Yeah, just two really quick ones, for me. David, it looks like capitated profitability really stepped up in Q1. Just wondering if there's anything to call out there. Second part, you just talked about Medicaid and low-income populations, and you guys had a really nice or pronounced step up in your Medicaid-attributed lives. Just wondering if you can talk about your Medicaid arrangements and what's prompting that growth. Thanks.

Speaker #23: And then second, Parth, you just talked about Medicaid and low-income populations. And you guys had a really nice or pronounced step up in your Medicaid-attributed lives.

Speaker #23: So just wondering if you can talk about your Medicaid arrangements and what's prompting that growth. Thanks.

David Mountcastle: Thank you. Thanks for the question. You know, again, this is just the Q1 of the year. You know, the timing of the data can vary, you know, quarter-to-quarter. As we always like to say in the capitated book, look at the full 12 months and a rolling 12 months. This quarter, we did get some prior year adjustments that benefited both revenue and margin. I would say our prudent approach to the book is, you know, at some level paying off as we continue to see more data. We continue to get, you know, some good news there. Again, we just continue to follow our same consistent and prudent, you know, I'll say, accrual methodology.

Speaker #8: Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for the question. Yeah. So again, this is just the first quarter of the year. So the timing of the data can vary quarter to quarter as we always like to say in the capitated book.

Speaker #8: Look at the full 12 months and a rolling 12 months. This quarter, we did get some prior year adjustments that benefited both revenue and margin.

Speaker #8: So I would say our prudent approach to the book is at some level paying off as we continue to see more data. We continue to get some good news there.

Speaker #8: And again, we just continue to follow our same consistent and prudent I'll say accrual methodology. It's a long period of time we need to review this information.

David Mountcastle: You know, it's a long period of time we need to review this information. As again, as good news comes in, we're able to see a little bit of additional good news in this book.

Speaker #8: But as again, as good news comes in, we're able to see a little bit of additional good news in this book. And then on the second part, Constantine, look, I think we service the entire panel in every physician's office.

Parth Mehrotra: On the second part, Constantine, look, I think, you know, we service the entire panel in every physician's office. Organically, as we grow in existing states or new states, you know, some part of the panel are Medicaid patients. I think the strength of our implemented provider growth and what our sales team is able to do in certain geographies, I mean, this organic Medicaid attribution growth. We continue again to work with payers to figure out, you know, the right value-based strategy in that book. The, the gap between what any provider business would like to do and what it could get paid for is still very big, especially for that population.

Speaker #8: So organically, as we grow in existing states or new states, some part of the panel, our Medicaid patients. So I think the strength of our implemented provider growth and what our sales team is able to do in certain geographies, I mean, this organic Medicaid attribution growth.

Speaker #8: We continue again to work with pairs to figure out the right value-based strategy in that book. The gap between what any provider business would like to do and what it could get paid for is still very big.

Speaker #8: Especially for that population. I mean, they have special needs. Transportation needs. Nutrition needs. Just getting people to see the doctors. Single mothers, very low-income families.

Parth Mehrotra: I mean, they, you know, they have special needs, transportation needs, you know, nutrition needs, you know, just getting people to see the doctors, you know, single mothers, very low-income families, so on and so forth. I think while we can do a lot more, the willingness of the payers to, you know, reimburse us for some of those strategies is, there's still a gap.

Speaker #8: So on and so forth. So I think while we can do a lot more the willingness of the payers to reimburse us for some of those strategies is still a gap.

Speaker #8: So, while we like to continue to grow that book, as you can see in our slide six, it’s all 100% upside-only deals, where again, we are taking the network to the payers.

Parth Mehrotra: You know, while we like to continue to grow that book, you know, as you can see, in our slide 6, it's all 100% upside-only deals, where again, we are taking the network to the payers, asking them, much like our commercial book, where we can do certain things with the population, impact the annual well visit rates, with the children, with women, with working adults, making sure that they're at least seeing the doctors, getting the vaccinations, getting the screenings done. For that, the payers are willing to pay us certain PMPM, certain quality bonus. If we impact the MLR, there's shared savings to be had.

Speaker #8: Asking them much like our commercial book where we can do certain things with the population. Impact the annual well visit rates. With the children.

Speaker #8: With women. With working adults. Making sure that they're at least seeing their doctors. Getting the vaccinations. Getting the screenings done. And for that, the payers are willing to pay a certain PM/PM.

Speaker #8: Certain quality bonus. And then if we impact the MLR, there's shared savings to be had. But to take risk in that book is tough.

Parth Mehrotra: But to take risk in that book is tough, you know, unless the payer is really willing to get behind us and solve for some of these things. I think we'll continue to grow it. I don't think you should expect us to take downside risk in Medicaid unless there's a unique opportunity.

Speaker #8: Unless the payers are really willing to get behind us and solve for some of these things. So I think we'll continue to grow it.

Speaker #8: I don't think you should expect us to take downside risk in Medicaid unless there's a unique opportunity.

Speaker #6: All right. The next question will come from the line of Chuck Levin with Jeffrey. Please go ahead.

Operator 2: All right, the next question will comes from the line of Jack Slevin with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right, the next question will comes from the line of Jack Slevin with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Jack Slevin: Nice job on the quarter. I guess maybe not to backtrack over this too much, but just on the Medicare Advantage discussion, 'cause there's pretty palpable excitement across, you know, payers and the value-based care space around that environment improving. My understanding or my read is really that many investors think that some of the moves you took to pare down risk meant that you don't necessarily participate in upside in the same way on some of the tailwinds that are now behind the industry. Maybe just breaking down that book across, you know, the 71% in upside only, the 19% upside downside, and the 9% cap book. Can you just talk a little bit about how better rates or, you know, more margin favorable payer bids flow through to you in sort of each sleeve of the book there? Thanks.

Speaker #24: Nice job on the quarter. I guess maybe not to backtrack over this too much, but just on the Medicare Advantage discussion because there's pretty palpable excitement across payers and the value-based care space around that environment improving.

Speaker #24: My understanding, or my read, is really that many investors think that some of the moves you took to pare down risk meant that you don't necessarily participate in upside in the same way.

Speaker #24: On some of the tailwinds that are now behind the industry. Maybe just breaking down that book across the 71% in upside-only. The 19% upside-downside and the 9% cap book.

Speaker #24: Can you just talk a little bit about how better rates or more margin-favorable payer bids flow through to you in sort of each sleeve of the book there?

Speaker #24: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah. That's a great question. I think the biggest dichotomy lies in the fact that broad industry sentiment is does not necessarily translate into the ground-to-ground payer contracting discussion with any particular payer in one geography with a certain book of business in MA.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, that's a great question. I think the biggest dichotomy lies in the fact that broad industry sentiment is does not necessarily translate into the ground to ground payer contracting discussion with any particular payer in one geography with a certain book of business in MA. I think, you know, overall, I don't think reimbursement's going to increase massively over time. I think what CMS is trying to do is making sure that everybody's getting reimbursed appropriately, whether that comes through star scores or risk adjustment or whatever other mechanism, you know, they can look at. I think they had a one-time adjustment. The system got a shock. Some of the payers. I mean, these cycles happened with MA payers over the last 20 years. You can see every 4 or 5 years.

Speaker #8: So I think overall, I don't think reimbursement is going to increase massively over time. I think what CMS is trying to do is making sure that everybody is getting reimbursed appropriately whether that comes through star scores, or risk adjustment, or whatever other mechanism they can look at.

Speaker #8: I think they had a one-time adjustment. The system got a shock. Some of the payers I mean, these cycles happen with MA payers over the last 20 years.

Speaker #8: You can see every four or five years, payers grow their book. They overshoot. They make a correction. And then the lives move from one to the other.

Parth Mehrotra: Payers grow their book, they overshoot, they make a correction, and then the lines move from one to the other and then somebody's left holding the bag until the cycle repeats itself. I think while you're coming off the trough from a payer perspective and you're seeing those results, after the last 2, 3 years, you know, how a provider business contracts at the ground level kind of remains the same. We're gonna look at each geography, each book of business, and then we continue to believe. I think this broad-based view that capitation is the only way to capture the upside, I think it's certainly myopic. I mean, that, you know, you've seen the last 5 years play out.

Speaker #8: And then somebody is left holding the bag until the cycle repeats itself. So I think while you're coming off the trough from a payer perspective and you're seeing those results after the last two, three years, how a provider business contracts at the ground level kind of remains the same.

Speaker #8: We're going to look at each geography, each book of business. And then we continue to believe I think this broad-based view that capitation is the only way to capture the upside.

Speaker #8: I think it's certainly myopic. I mean, that you've seen the last five years play out. I mean, it's not like any other provider group was making a lot of money in capitation five years ago in '21.

Parth Mehrotra: I mean, it's not like any other provider group was making a lot of money in capitation five years ago in 2021 when they were really talking about it. You know, we'll see how the next few years play out. There's an economic profit that is there to be shared between the payers, the doctors, and the providers. Our view is that economic profit should be shared and not just captured in, or the risk should not be borne by one while the economic profit is shared. I think it's a shared risk arrangement is much more sustainable. I think you prevent some of the anomalies, some of the potential conflicts that can happen. I think we'll just continue to work with our payers and continue to capture the upside based for the value that we provide.

Speaker #8: When they were really talking about it. And we'll see how the next few years play out. And then there's an economic profit that is there to be shared between the payers.

Speaker #8: The doctors and the providers. Our view is that economic profit should be shared and not just captured in or the risk should not be borne by one while the economic profit is shared.

Speaker #8: So I think it's a shared risk arrangement is much more sustainable. I think you prevent some of the anomalies, some of the potential conflicts that can happen.

Speaker #8: So I think we'll just continue to work with our payers. And continue to capture the upside based for the value that we provide. It necessarily does not have to happen in capitation.

Parth Mehrotra: It necessarily does not have to happen in capitation. Now some businesses might like that volatility and play for that extra risk for the additional downside potential. You know, our view is to have, like we've said, like sustainable earnings is sustainable earnings. You've seen us do that over the last six years, you know, as a public company and then even before that. Our strategy is gonna be the same, and if there are opportunities for us to take more risk, we'll take more risk.

Speaker #8: Now, some businesses might like that volatility and play for that extra risk for the additional downside potential. But our view is to have like we've said, sustainable earnings is sustainable earnings.

Speaker #8: And you've seen us do that over the last six years. As a public company and then even before that. So our strategy is going to be the same.

Speaker #8: And if there are opportunities for us to take more risk, we'll take more risk.

Speaker #6: All right. The next question comes from the line of Brian Halstead with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Operator 2: All right. The next question comes from the line of Bryan Halstead with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Operator: All right. The next question comes from the line of Bryan Halstead with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker #25: Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Most of my questions have been answered. But maybe just a question any views or thoughts about payers' reform on prior authorization policies would think certainly potential implications for your fee-for-service business.

Bryan Halstead: Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Most of my questions have been answered, maybe just a question. Any views or thoughts about payers' reform on prior authorization policies? You know, I would think certainly potential implications for your fee for service business, perhaps, you know, opposite implications on value-based care, just any thoughts on that would be helpful.

Speaker #25: Perhaps opposite implications on value-based care. But just any thoughts on that would be helpful.

Speaker #8: Yeah. I mean, look, there's a lot of noise in the media around it these days. I think the focus there is for higher value claims.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot of noise in the media around it these days. I think, the focus there is for higher value claims, probably in the acute setting more so than the ambulatory settings with community-based doctors. You know, 95% to 99% of claims are resolved first pass. It's mainly at the specialist level where you need prior authorizations. I mean, for a primary care-centric group, it's pretty low-value claims in the first place. Ultimately, I think, look, with AI, there'll be an equilibrium where the payers and the larger providers within the acute setting will, you know, just settle out on prior auth. I think it's in everybody's interest not to have extended timelines for those.

Speaker #8: Probably in the acute setting more so than the ambulatory settings with community-based doctors. 95 to 99 percent of claims are resolved first pass. It's mainly at the specialist level where you need prior authorizations.

Speaker #8: I mean, for a primary care-centric group, it's pretty low-value claims in the first place. Ultimately, I think, look, with AI, there'll be an equilibrium where the payers and the larger providers in the acute setting will just settle out.

Speaker #8: On prior auth. I think it's in everybody's interest not to have extended timelines for those. It doesn't bode well for the ultimate patient who gets stuck in the middle of these, either as a surprise bill after care has been delivered or is just waiting for prior auth.

Parth Mehrotra: It doesn't bode well for the ultimate patient who gets stuck in the middle of these, either as a surprise bill, after care has been delivered or is just waiting for prior auth. I think everybody's interest is aligned with that patient ultimately, but I think you'll just go through a period where some of this stuff will just get settled out. I don't think it really impacts our business in that big of a way relative to the acute setting. I think we obviously continue to work with payers in making sure that if there are certain areas or specialties where we feel there's some friction, that we smooth that out.

Speaker #8: So I think everybody's interest is aligned with that patient ultimately. But I think you'll just go through a period where some of this stuff will just get settled out.

Speaker #8: But I don't think it really impacts our business in that big of a way relative to the acute setting. I think we obviously continue to work with payers in making sure that if they are certain areas, a specialties where we feel there's some friction that we smooth that out.

Speaker #8: And I think a lot of the payers have the right intent to continue to not have this as a source of friction, especially when it impacts patient care.

Parth Mehrotra: I think a lot of the payers have the right intent to continue to, you know, not have this as a source of friction, especially when it impacts patient care.

Speaker #25: Thank you.

Bryan Halstead: Thank you.

Operator 2: Our last question comes from the line of David Larsen with BTIG. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: And our last question comes from the line of David Larson with BTIG. Please go ahead.

Operator: Our last question comes from the line of David Larsen with BTIG. Please go ahead.

Jenny Chan: Hi, this is Jenny Chan on for Dave. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could comment on medical cost trends, how that compares to a quarter ago and maybe a year ago. Also any updated thoughts on your general appetite for risk. It sounds like it's pretty consistent, whether that has changed at all. Thank you.

[Analyst] (BTIG): Hi, this is Jenny Chan on for Dave. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could comment on medical cost trends, how that compares to a quarter ago and maybe a year ago. Also any updated thoughts on your general appetite for risk. It sounds like it's pretty consistent, whether that has changed at all. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Hi. This is Jenny Shan on for Dave. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could comment on a medical cost trend.

Speaker #2: How that compares to a quarter ago and maybe a year ago. And then also, any updated thoughts on your general appetite for risk? It sounds like it's pretty consistent.

Speaker #2: But whether that has changed at all. Thank you.

Speaker #8: Yeah. Appreciate the question, Jenny. So the medical cost trend is pretty consistent. I mean, you've seen that result in our value-based book and how we performed.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, appreciate the question, Jenny. You know, the medical cost trend is pretty, you know, consistent. I mean, you've seen that result in our value-based book and how we perform. Again, we like to look at it over 12-month rolling basis, as David was saying. You know, that's broadly across our book. You know, nothing jumped out quarter over quarter here for us. You know, there's some impact on the flu season, that happens every year. We'll just continue to look at data and then see. From our perspective, you know, what's in our accruals, what's in our guidance is pretty consistent. If anything, we like to be pretty prudent, and if we are wrong, there should be upside, like we've always said.

Speaker #8: Again, we like to look at it over 12-month rolling basis as David was saying. And that's broadly across our book. So nothing jumped out quarter over quarter here for us.

Speaker #8: There's some impact on the flu season, but that happens every year. So we'll just continue to look at data and then see. But from our perspective, what we what's in our accruals, what's in our guidance is pretty consistent.

Speaker #8: If anything, we like to be pretty prudent and if we are wrong, they should be upside like we've always said. So I think that's how we look at it.

Parth Mehrotra: I think that's how we look at it. I think we answered the other question previously already in terms of our ability to take risk.

Speaker #8: And I think we answered the other question previously already in terms of our ability to take risk.

Speaker #6: All right. That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Robert Borchert, SVP Investor of Incorporate Communications for closing remarks.

Operator 2: All right, that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Robert Borchert, SVP, Investor & Corporate Communications, for closing remarks. Robert.

Operator: All right, that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Robert Borchert, SVP, Investor & Corporate Communications, for closing remarks. Robert.

Speaker #6: Robert.

Robert Borchert: Thanks. I'll hand it over to Parth. Thanks. Yeah, thank you for listening to our call today. We appreciate your continued interest and look forward to speaking to you again in the near future.

Robert Borchert: Thanks. I'll hand it over to Parth. Thanks.

Speaker #26: Thanks. I'll hand it over to Parth. Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah. Thank you for listening to our call today. We appreciate your continued interest and look forward to speaking to you again in the near future.

Parth Mehrotra: Yeah, thank you for listening to our call today. We appreciate your continued interest and look forward to speaking to you again in the near future.

Operator 2: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now dis-

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now dis-