Q1 2026 Ready Capital Corp Earnings Call

May 8, 2026

Operator: Greetings. Welcome to Ready Capital's Q1 2026 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. The question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero from your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the conference over to Andrew Ahlborn, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you. You may now begin.

Operator: Greetings. Welcome to Ready Capital's Q1 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. The question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero from your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the conference over to Andrew Ahlborn, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you. You may now begin.

Speaker #2: If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero from your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Andrew Ahlborn, Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker #2: Thank you. You may now begin. Thank you, Operator, and good morning to those of you on the call. Some of our comments today will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws.

Andrew Ahlborn: Thank you, operator, and good morning to those of you on the call. Some of our comments today will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities laws. Such statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect. Therefore, you should exercise caution in interpreting and relying on them. We refer you to our SEC filings for a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact our future operating results and financial conditions. During the call, we will discuss our non-GAAP measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for our financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP.

Speaker #2: Such statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect. Therefore, you should exercise caution in interpreting and relying on them.

Speaker #2: We refer you to our SEC filings for a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact our future operating results and financial condition.

Speaker #2: During the call, we will discuss our non-GAAP measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for our financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP.

Speaker #2: A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available in our first quarter 2026 earnings release and our supplemental Investors section of the Ready Capital website.

Andrew Ahlborn: A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available in our Q1 2026 earnings release and our supplemental information, which can be found in the Investors section of the Ready Capital website. I will now turn it over to Chief Executive Officer, Thomas Capasse.

Speaker #2: I will now turn it over to Chief Executive Officer Tom Capasse. Thank you, Andrew. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call.

Thomas Capasse: Thank you, Andrew. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. The Q1 of 2026 represents ongoing progress in our balance sheet repositioning strategy initiated in the Q4 of 2025. First, year to date, we have generated $1.4 billion in cash from loan sales and liquidations. These proceeds have facilitated the paydown of over $1.1 billion in warehouse debt and generated $270 million in net liquidity, which was utilized to retire $184 million of corporate debt. Second, we are continuing to resolve non- and sub-performing positions to reduce earnings drag and facilitate recycling into current market-yielding opportunities. Third, we are transitioning the business model toward a lower leverage, more capital-efficient platform that positions the company for long-term sustainable earnings growth.

Speaker #2: The first quarter of 2026 represents ongoing progress in our balance sheet repositioning strategy initiated in the fourth quarter of '25. First year to date, we have generated $1.4 billion in cash from loan sales and liquidations.

Speaker #2: These proceeds have facilitated the paydown of over $1.1 billion in warehouse debt and generated $270 million in net liquidity which was utilized to retire $184 million of corporate debt.

Speaker #2: Second, we are continuing to resolve non-insufficient positions to reduce earnings drag and facilitate recycling into current market-yielding opportunities. And third, we are transitioning the business model toward a lower leverage more capital-efficient platform that positions the company for long-term sustainable earnings growth.

Speaker #2: As we stated in the fourth quarter of 2025, our liquidity plan is projected to span four quarters, and we are confident it is the right approach to reset the company's platform for success in the future.

Thomas Capasse: As we stated in Q4 of 2025, our liquidity plan is projected to span 4 quarters. We are confident it is the right approach to reset the company's platform for success in the future. We began the year with $650 million of corporate debt across 4 different 2026 maturities. Given the company's current cost of funds and performance of the legacy portfolio, we made the decision to de-lever the balance sheet with aggressive asset management focused primarily on loan sales. We retired our $117 million, 5.75% senior unsecured bond in February and our $67 million, 6.2% senior unsecured bond in April, leaving $450 million across our Q4 2026 maturities. Year to date, we have generated liquidity from 2 primary sources.

Speaker #2: We began the year with $650 million of corporate debt across four different 2026 maturities. Given the company's current cost of funds and performance of the legacy portfolio, we made the decision to delever the balance sheet with aggressive asset management focused primarily on loan sales.

Speaker #2: We retired our $117 million 5.75% senior unsecured bond in February and our $67 million 6.2% senior unsecured bond in April, leaving $450 million across our fourth quarter of '26 maturities.

Speaker #2: Year to date, we have generated liquidity from two primary sources. First, the sale of 48 loans with a total unpaid principal balance of approximately $1 billion across four transactions for net liquidity of $177 million.

Thomas Capasse: First, the sale of 48 loans with total unpaid principal balance of approximately $1 billion across four transactions for a net liquidity of $177 million. These sales consisted of 66% performing and 30% non- and sub-performing loans. Second, portfolio runoff of $550 million provided $93 million in net liquidity. As we look forward, our liquidity plan contemplates an incremental $400 million liquidity from the sale and runoff of $2 billion to two and a half billion of CRE loans and REO assets through year-end. Based on current projections, we believe these remaining actions, along with current liquidity, are sufficient to retire our remaining 2026 maturities and satisfy the future cash flow needs of the business.

Speaker #2: These sales consisted of 66% performing and 30% non- and subperforming loans. Second, portfolio runoff of $550 million provided $93 million. In net liquidity. As we look forward, our liquidity plan contemplates an incremental $400 million liquidity from the sale and runoff of $2 billion to $2.5 billion of CRE loans and REO assets three-year end.

Speaker #2: Based on current projections, we believe these remaining actions along with current liquidity are sufficient to retire our remaining 26 maturities and satisfy the future cash flow needs of the business.

Speaker #2: Post-completion of our liquidity plan and the payment of our fourth quarter debt maturities, we believe that the remaining legacy CRE portfolio will total approximately $2 billion.

Thomas Capasse: Post completion of our liquidity plan and the payment of our Q4 debt maturities, we believe that the remaining legacy CRE portfolio will total approximately $2 billion. We anticipate this will include $800, 900 million of sub- and non-performing loans and REO assets, which we believe have a better net present value via exit from aggressive asset management strategies versus sale at current market discounts. This sub-portfolio of non- and sub-performing assets has a current quarterly earnings drag of approximately $0.06 per share with cash outflows of $9.3 million per quarter. Furthermore, we expect the anticipated long-term benefits of our repositioning plan will be a reset balance sheet to allow for future earnings growth and a more conservative leverage profile anticipated to stabilize around 2.5x.

Speaker #2: We anticipate this will include $800 million to $900 million of sub- and non-performing loans and REO assets, which we believe have a better net present value via exit from aggressive asset management.

Speaker #2: Strategies versus sale of current market discounts. This sub-portfolio of non- and subperforming assets has a current quarterly earnings drag of approximately $0.06 per share with cash outflows of $9.3 million per quarter.

Speaker #2: Furthermore, we expect the anticipated long-term benefits of our repositioning plan will be a reset balance sheet to allow for future earnings growth and a more conservative leverage profile anticipated to stabilize around $2.5x.

Speaker #2: Upon the expected second quarter completion of the final CRE loan pool sale, contemplated in our liquidity plan, we anticipate the material book value pressure that the company has experienced in the past several quarters will be substantially behind us.

Thomas Capasse: Upon the expected Q2 completion of the final CRE loan pool sale contemplated in our liquidity plan, we anticipate the material book value pressure that the company has experienced in the past several quarters will be substantially behind us. We also expect several changes to the business model that we will discuss in greater detail in subsequent quarters. First, we intend to focus our investment activity on allocations to CRE sectors where we see best relative value. We expect average investment size to double relative to our historical average of 17 million. Similarly, we expect that our financing strategy will be more opportunistic and less securitization driven. Each change is intended to help scale the business with a more efficient operational footprint and allow us to be flexible in pursuing market opportunities.

Speaker #2: We also expect several changes to the business model that we will discuss in greater detail in subsequent quarters. First, we intend to focus our investment activity on allocations to CRE sectors where we see best relative value.

Speaker #2: We expect average investment size to double relative to our historical average of $17 million. Similarly, we expect that our financing strategy will be more opportunistic and less securitization-driven.

Speaker #2: Each change is intended to help scale the business with a more efficient operational footprint and allow us to be flexible in pursuing market opportunities.

Speaker #2: Second, we intend to simplify our business model through increased integration with our external manager, Waterfall Asset Management, and to refocus on two core businesses: middle market CRE debt investing and SBA 7(a) lending.

Thomas Capasse: Second, we intend to simplify our business model through increased integration with our external manager, Waterfall Asset Management, and to refocus on two core businesses, middle market CRE debt investing and SBA 7(a) lending. During this period of constrained investing, we can generate fee income in lieu of net interest margin by originating for Waterfall, where we have funded $172 million year to date, and for third parties, including through our new $1 billion loan arrangement. In the future, as we recycle legacy assets to generate liquidity for CRE investing, we expect that a combination of our right-sized CRE operations in concert with allocation from Waterfall's CRE desk will result in a lower operating expense ratio. Third, we intend to increase capital allocation to our small business lending platform, which we expect to represent 20% of the company's capital going forward.

Speaker #2: During this period of constrained investing, we can generate fee-income in lieu of net interest margin by originating for Waterfall where we have funded $172 million year to date and for third parties including through our new $1 billion low arrangement.

Speaker #2: In the future, as we recycle legacy assets to generate liquidity for CRE investing, we expect that a combination of our right-sized CRE operations in concert with allocation from Waterfalls CRE desk will result in a lower operating expense ratio.

Speaker #2: And third, we intend to increase capital allocation to our small business lending platform, which we expect to represent 20% of the company's capital going forward.

Thomas Capasse: Third, we intend to increase capital allocation to our small business lending platform, which we expect to represent 20% of the company's capital going forward. Sequentially, we believe that the high relative ROE of this business will lead to earnings recovery over the period that the legacy CRE portfolio is recycled into new vintage CRE investments. Historically, the small business platform has provided 300 to 500 basis points of core ROE alongside the CRE net interest margin. I would also like to provide an update on 2 additional items. First, the Ritz-Carlton property remains our largest single equity allocation, representing 18% of quarter-end stockholders' equity. On the condominiums, we have sold 43 units and have additional 4 units under contract, which would bring our total sell out to 36% of the 132 total units.

Speaker #2: Sequentially, we believe that the high relative ROE of this business will lead the earnings recovery over the period that the legacy CRE portfolio is recycled into new vintage CRE investments.

Thomas Capasse: Sequentially, we believe that the high relative ROE of this business will lead to earnings recovery over the period that the legacy CRE portfolio is recycled into new vintage CRE investments. Historically, the small business platform has provided 300 to 500 basis points of core ROE alongside the CRE net interest margin. I would also like to provide an update on 2 additional items. First, the Ritz-Carlton property remains our largest single equity allocation, representing 18% of quarter-end stockholders' equity. On the condominiums, we have sold 43 units and have additional 4 units under contract, which would bring our total sell out to 36% of the 132 total units. The average selling price of the 32 condos sold year to date was $745 per square foot, compared to $900 per square foot for all condos sold.

Speaker #2: Historically, the small business platform has provided $300 to $500 basis points of core ROE alongside the CRE net interest margin. I would also like to provide an update on two additional items.

Speaker #2: First, the risk property remains our largest single equity allocation representing 18% of quarter-end stockholders' equity. On the condominiums, we have sold 43 units and have an additional four units under contract which would bring our total sell-out to 36% of the $132 total units.

Speaker #2: The average selling price of the 32 condos sold year to date was $745 per square foot compared to $900 per square foot for all condos sold.

Thomas Capasse: The average selling price of the 32 condos sold year to date was $745 per square foot, compared to $900 per square foot for all condos sold. This is a deliberate pricing strategy designed to drive momentum towards a full sellout at higher average prices. The hotel's occupancy increased 5% year-over-year to 46%, marking steady progress towards our 60% target. This increased occupancy, along with a 1% increase in ADR to $482, resulted in a 13% increase in RevPAR to $221. Separately, lower SBA 7(a) originations in Q1 reflected the prioritization of capital to debt repayment, limiting new SBA deployment to existing warehouse capacity. We anticipate that will change with the pending launch of our $158 million SBA 7(a) securitization.

Speaker #2: This is a deliberate pricing strategy designed to drive momentum toward the full sell-out at higher average prices. The hotels' occupancy increased 5% year over year to 46%, marking steady progress toward our 60% target.

Thomas Capasse: This is a deliberate pricing strategy designed to drive momentum towards a full sellout at higher average prices. The hotel's occupancy increased 5% year-over-year to 46%, marking steady progress towards our 60% target. This increased occupancy, along with a 1% increase in ADR to $482, resulted in a 13% increase in RevPAR to $221. Separately, lower SBA 7(a) originations in Q1 reflected the prioritization of capital to debt repayment, limiting new SBA deployment to existing warehouse capacity. We anticipate that will change with the pending launch of our $158 million SBA 7(a) securitization.

Speaker #2: This increased occupancy, along with a 1% increase in ADR to $482, resulted in a 13% increase in RevPar to $221. Separately, the lower SBA 7A originations in the first quarter reflected the prioritization of capital to debt repayment, limiting new SBA deployment to existing warehouse capacity.

Speaker #2: We anticipate that will change with the pending launch of our $158 million SBA 7A securitization. We expect second quarter securitization to generate capacity for a $500 million incremental go-forward volume resulting in the second half of the year climbing towards historical production levels which were $1.1 billion in 2024.

Thomas Capasse: We expect Q2 securitization to generate capacity for a $500 million of incremental go forward volume, resulting in H2 of the year climbing towards historical production levels, which were $1.1 billion in 2024. We continue to take deliberate steps to enhance liquidity and strengthen the platform. Specifically, we have generated 67% of our target liquidity and begun to streamline business lines to reduce operating costs in conjunction with greater integration with our external manager, Waterfall. There's certainly more work ahead, but we are encouraged by the progress made to date and remain focused on disciplined execution. With that said, I'll now turn it over to Andrew for a detailed review of the quarterly results.

Speaker #2: We continue to take deliberate steps to enhance liquidity and strengthen the platform. Specifically, we have generated 67% of our target liquidity and begun to streamline business lines to reduce operating costs, in conjunction with greater integration with our external manager, Waterfall.

Speaker #2: There is certainly more work ahead, but we are encouraged by the progress made to date and remain focused on disciplined execution. With that said, I'll now turn it over to Andrew for a detailed review of the quarterly results.

Speaker #1: The first quarter earnings and balance sheet reflect a continued effect of the repositioning plan outlined in Tom's remarks. For the quarter, we reported a gap loss from continuing operations of $1.25 per common share.

Andrew Ahlborn: The first quarter earnings and balance sheet reflect the continued effects of the repositioning plan outlined in Tom's remarks. For the quarter, we reported a GAAP loss from continuing operations of $1.25 per common share. Distributable earnings were a loss of $1.00 per common share and $0.33 per common share, excluding realized losses on asset sales. At quarter end, book value per share was $7.43 versus $8.79 at year-end. The change was primarily due to a $0.42 per share loss on loan sales settled in the quarter, a $0.47 per share loss on additional CECL reserves and valuation allowances, and a $0.36 per share loss from operations. The net loss from normal operations was impacted by the following revenue and expense items.

Speaker #1: Distributable earnings were a loss of $1 per common share and 33 cents per common share excluding realized losses on asset sales. At quarter end, book value per share was $7.43, versus $8.79 at year end.

Speaker #1: The change was primarily due to a 42 cent per share loss on loan sales settled in the quarter, a 47 per share loss on additional CISO reserves and valuation allowances, and a 36 cent per share loss from operations.

Speaker #1: The net loss from normal operations was impacted by the following revenue and expense items. On the revenue side, reoccurring revenue was $16.2 million compared to $41.5 million in the prior quarter.

Andrew Ahlborn: On the revenue side, recurring revenue was $16.2 million compared to $41.5 million in the prior quarter. The change is driven by a $28.5 million reduction in net interest income, offset by a $3 million increase in other income. The decline in interest income was primarily impacted by the following items. First, the liquidation of approximately $1.8 billion of loans across the last two quarters resulted in a $16.5 million quarter-over-quarter reduction in net interest income. Second, a $5.4 million reduction in cash receipts on loans currently on non-accrual, the majority of which was driven by 2 loans totaling $230 million that are scheduled for Q2 liquidations. Third, the timing delay between liquidation of assets and the preceding paydown of corporate debt.

Speaker #1: The change was driven by a $28.5 million reduction in net interest income, offset by a $3 million increase in other income. The decline in interest income was primarily impacted by the following items.

Speaker #1: First, the liquidation of approximately $1.8 billion of loans across the last two quarters resulted in a 16.5 million quarter-over-quarter reduction in net interest income.

Speaker #1: Second, a $5.4 million reduction in cash receipts on loans currently on non-accrual, the majority of which was driven by two loans totaling $230 million that are scheduled for second quarter liquidations.

Speaker #1: And third, the timing delay between liquidation of assets and the preceding paydown of corporate debt. We expect net interest income to be negative as we move through this transition period, with improvement coming from the continued reduction in non-accrual loans and REO, the reduction of both asset-level and corporate debt financing, and the recycling of capital back into market yield.

Andrew Ahlborn: We expect net interest income to be negative as we move through this transition period, with improvement coming from the continued reduction in non-accrual loans and REO, the reduction of both asset level and corporate debt financing, and the recycling of capital back into market yields. Over this period, we expect a greater percentage of revenue to come from gain on sale and fee revenue. On the expense side, operating expenses increased $7.8 million quarter-over-quarter to $67.7 million. The change was primarily due to a $6.7 million increase in non-recurring advanced payments made to servicers upon the collapse of our remaining CLOs, and a $3.9 million decrease in the tax benefit. Regarding RC's liquidity and capitalization, we remained active in repositioning our liabilities.

Speaker #1: Over this period, we expect a greater percentage of revenue to come from gain on sale and fee revenue. On the expense side, operating expenses increased $7.8 million quarter over quarter to $67.7 million.

Speaker #1: The change was primarily due to a 6.7 million increase in non-recurring advance payments made to serviceers upon the collapse of our remaining CLOs, and a 3.9 million decrease in the tax benefit.

Speaker #1: Regarding RC's liquidity and capitalization, we remained active in repositioning our liabilities. First quarter activities included collapsing three CLOs totaling $900 million of collateral, the addition of a new $500 million CRE warehouse facility, and the renewal of an additional two facilities.

Andrew Ahlborn: Q1 activities included collapsing 3 CLOs totaling $900 million of collateral, the addition of a new $500 million CRE warehouse facility, the renewal of an additional 2 facilities. Earned total leverage is 3 times, we ended the quarter with $200 million of liquidity and $730 million of unencumbered assets. With that, we will open the line for questions.

Speaker #1: Current total leverage is three times and we ended the quarter with $200 million of liquidity and $730 million of unencumbered assets. With that, we will open the line for questions.

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Speaker #2: Thank you and our first question is from the line of Jade Rahmani with KBW. Please receive your questions.

Speaker #3: Thank you very much. Where do you expect balance sheet total assets to end after you're done with the planned asset sales? What size balance sheet do you expect Ready Capital to have?

Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. Where do you expect balance sheet total assets to end after you're done with the, you know, planned asset sales? What size balance sheet do you expect Ready Capital to have?

Speaker #2: Andrew, you want to touch on the pro forma?

Thomas Capasse: Andrew, you want to touch on the pro forma?

Speaker #3: Yeah. And the total assets as Tom said in his remark, we expect another two to two and a half billion dollar reduction in the loan portfolio.

Andrew Ahlborn: The total assets, as Tom said in his remark, we expect another $2 to 2.5 billion reduction in the loan portfolio. Based on, you know, current total assets of roughly $6.3 billion, we'd expect that number to come down closer to $4 billion.

Speaker #3: So, based on current total assets of roughly $6.3 billion, we would expect that number to come down closer to $4 billion.

Speaker #1: Okay. Do you have a range of pro forma book value per share you expect the $2 to $2.5 billion further reduction to result in?

Jade Rahmani: Okay. Do you have a range of pro forma book value per share you expect the $2 to 2.5 billion further reduction to result in?

Speaker #2: Well, we're not providing guidance at this time. Yeah. Go ahead, Brian. Andrew.

Thomas Capasse: Well, we're not providing guidance at this point.

Jade Rahmani: Yeah,

Thomas Capasse: Yeah. Go ahead, Andrew.

Speaker #3: Yeah. What I would say is the change in book value between the first quarter and where we end up in the second quarter is going to be highly dependent on how much of that 2.5 billion we end up selling.

Andrew Ahlborn: Yeah. What I would say is, you know, the change in book value between Q1 and where we end up in the Q2 base is going to be highly dependent on, you know, how much of that $2.5 billion we end up selling to cover, you know, the remaining liquidity needs to get through the 2026 maturities. There's a little bit of variability based on the execution of those, you know, upcoming trades.

Speaker #3: To cover the remaining liquidity needs to get through the 26 maturities. So there's a little bit of variability based on the execution of those upcoming trades.

Speaker #1: The remaining eight to nine hundred million of sub-performing loans—that's not including any of the REO.

Jade Rahmani: The remaining $800 to 900 million of sub-performing loans, that's not including any of the REO?

Speaker #3: That includes the REO portfolio.

Andrew Ahlborn: That includes.

Thomas Capasse: Yes.

Andrew Ahlborn: That includes the REO portfolio.

Speaker #2: Yeah.

Thomas Capasse: Yeah.

Speaker #1: Oh, that includes the Portland REO.

Jade Rahmani: Oh, that includes the Portland REO?

Speaker #3: That's correct.

Andrew Ahlborn: That's correct.

Speaker #1: Okay. And then just lastly, in other assets of $466 million, down at the balance of deferred tax assets and tax receivables, because my worry is that there’s write-down risk for those assets as the recoverability in earnings is reduced, driven by ongoing operating losses and the lack of earnings to materialize those deferred tax assets.

Jade Rahmani: Okay. Then just lastly, in other assets of $466 million, do you have the balance of deferred tax assets and tax receivables? My worry is that there's write-down risk for those assets as the recoverability in earnings, you know, is reduced, driven by ongoing operating losses and the lack of, you know, earnings to materialize those deferred tax assets.

Speaker #3: Yeah. The current deferred tax asset and balance sheet is a little over 200 million. It's 201.6 million. Then the tax receivable is 16.7. What I would say is there is a heavy focus on growing the SBA business.

Andrew Ahlborn: Yeah. The current deferred tax asset on the balance sheet is a little over $200 million. It's $201.6 million. The tax receivable is $16.7. What I would say is, you know, there is a heavy focus on growing the SBA business. As Tom mentioned, it's really been limited by, you know, the existing warehouse capacity. As that opens up, I would expect that business to return towards, you know, profitability more similar to where we were running in 2024. We do think that that deferred tax asset has value, but certainly we are aware of the magnitude.

Speaker #3: And as Tom mentioned, it's really been limited by the existing warehouse capacity. As that opens up, I would expect that business to return towards profitability more similar to where we were running in '24.

Speaker #3: So we do think that deferred tax asset has value. But certainly, we are aware of the magnitude.

Speaker #2: Yeah. I mean, just to add to Jade's head to Andrew's remarks, there's a clear path forward for earnings recovery and earnings and sequentially over a relatively short period of time.

Thomas Capasse: I mean, just to add to add to Andrew's remarks, there's a clear path forward for earnings. Recovery and earnings is both sequentially over a relatively short period of time, you know, led by the SBA small business, which has historically thrown off around 300 to 500 basis points of ROE. Secondly, there will be OpEx reductions consistent with the simplification of the business model. Thirdly, the remaining non-performing assets post the final tranche of the loan sales is a relatively small pool of assets to include the Ritz-Carlton, which is experiencing positive, you know, financial momentum. That is about a 2-year underlying duration of those assets is probably about 1.5 years.

Speaker #2: Led by the SBA, small business, which has historically thrown off around three to five hundred basis points of ROE, secondly, there will be op-ex reductions consistent with the simplification of the business model, and thirdly, the remaining non-performing assets post the final tranche of the loan sales is a relatively small pool of assets to include the REITs which is experiencing positive financial momentum.

Speaker #2: And that is about a two-year underlying duration of those assets; it’s probably about a year and a half.

Speaker #1: Okay. Thank you very much.

Jade Rahmani: Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you may press star one from your telephone keypad. The next question is in the line of Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #3: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you may press star one from your telephone keypad. The next question is from the line of Christopher Nolan with Leidenburg Thelman.

Speaker #3: Please receive your questions.

Speaker #4: Hey, guys. I want to preface just saying that you're skiing down some very difficult terrain and I got to give you kudos for navigating this so far.

Christopher Nolan: Hey, guys. I want to preface just saying that you're skiing down some very difficult terrain, and I gotta give you kudos for navigating this so far. The non-performers for the overall portfolio increased materially quarter-over-quarter. Can you give some color as to why the core CRE portfolio deteriorated?

Speaker #4: The non-performers for the overall portfolio increase materially quarter over quarter can you give some colors to why the core CRE portfolio deteriorated?

Speaker #2: Yeah. I'll let Dom get into some of the details, but I will say that the to some extent, the legacy book traditional metrics like 60 plus are becoming not irrelevant, but less of a metric on loan quality because what we when we look to do a sale of assets, if it's sub-performing with a relative, let's say, low single-digit debt yield, we won't we'll purposely execute asset management strategies which improve the secondary market price of that sale, i.e., not providing additional modifications, etc.

Thomas Capasse: Yeah. I'll let Dom get into some of the details, but I will say that to some extent, the legacy book traditional metrics like 60 plus are becoming not irrelevant, but less of a metric on loan quality. Because when we look to do a sale of assets, if it's sub-performing with a, you know, relative, let's say, low single digit debt yield, we won't purposely execute asset management strategies which improve the secondary market price of that sale, i.e., not providing additional modifications, et cetera. That creates a roll rate that amplifies the additional impact of the denominator effect, which is the sale of the sale of performing loans. Dom, maybe just touch on that as well.

Speaker #2: So that creates a roll rate that amplifies the additional impact of the denominator effect, which is the sale of the sale of performing loans.

Speaker #2: So Dom, maybe just touch on that as well.

Speaker #3: Yeah. Sure. Good morning. Yeah. Just to stress what Tom was referencing, I think the designation with core and non-core as we work through this liquidity strategy is likely to become less relevant but just to sort of give you some summary information.

Dom: Sure, good morning. Just to stress what Tom was referencing, I think the designation with core and non-core as we work through this liquidity strategy is likely to become less relevant. Just to sort of give you some summary information. If you look at Q4 quarter-end compared to Q1 quarter-end, I think we're up about 8 percentage points. As we identify assets for sale to generate liquidity, some of those assets will be and have been performing assets. Just keep that in mind. I'd say the breakout of that increase would be a third sort of credit migration with a few assets sort of moving to sort of a workout stage.

Dominick Scali: Sure, good morning. Just to stress what Tom was referencing, I think the designation with core and non-core as we work through this liquidity strategy is likely to become less relevant. Just to sort of give you some summary information. If you look at Q4 quarter-end compared to Q1 quarter-end, I think we're up about 8 percentage points. As we identify assets for sale to generate liquidity, some of those assets will be and have been performing assets. Just keep that in mind. I'd say the breakout of that increase would be a third sort of credit migration with a few assets sort of moving to sort of a workout stage.

Speaker #3: So, if you look at Q4 quarter-end compared to Q1 quarter-end, I think we're up about 8 percentage points. As we identify assets for sale to generate liquidity, some of those assets will be, and have been, performing assets, so keep that in mind.

Speaker #3: But I'd say the breakout of that increase would be a third sort of credit migration with a few assets sort of moving to sort of a workout stage.

Speaker #3: But the majority of that is predominantly situated with sort of a denominator effect as we sell through some of the performing loans.

Dom: The majority of that is predominantly situated with sort of a denominator effect as we sell through some of the performing loans.

Dominick Scali: The majority of that is predominantly situated with sort of a denominator effect as we sell through some of the performing loans.

Speaker #4: Okay. And then, I guess, Andrew, what do all of these—the changing or deteriorating credit metrics and everything else—mean for the reserve allowance going forward?

Christopher Nolan: Okay. I guess, Andrew, what does all of these the changing or deteriorating credit metrics and everything else mean for the reserve allowance going forward? Where do you see leverage ratios once this transition is over?

Speaker #4: And where do you see leverage ratios once this transition is over?

Speaker #3: Yeah. So we had an additional provision of a little under 71 million in the quarter. As we sell through this remaining portfolio, as Tom mentioned, the amount of loans on the book and particularly loans that are non and sub-performing is going to be fairly limited.

Andrew Ahlborn: Yeah. We had an additional provision of a little under $71 million in the quarter. you know, as we sell through this remaining portfolio, you know, as Tom mentioned, the amount of loans on the book, and particularly loans that are non- and sub-performing, is going to be fairly limited. you know, somewhere between $300 million and $400 million, and only across, you know, 30 or so line items. We have pretty, you know, good line of sight into how those assets are going to perform. You may see, you know, marginal increases in reserving around those.

Speaker #3: It's somewhere between 3 and 4 hundred million dollars. And only across 30 or so line items. So we have pretty good line of sight into how those assets are going to perform.

Speaker #3: So you may see marginal increases in reserving around those. But I think the biggest change that is or effect that is remaining in the book is just the execution of the sales on the 2 to 2 and a half billion dollar portfolio.

Andrew Ahlborn: I think the biggest, you know, change that is or effect that is remaining in the book is just the execution of the sales on the $2 to 2.5 billion portfolio. Leverage, you know, we expect to stabilize around 2.5 times.

Speaker #3: And then leverage. We expect to stabilize around 2.5 times.

Speaker #4: Great. And Tom, you mentioned less securitization. Does that mean less 7A securitization?

Christopher Nolan: Great. Tom, you mentioned less securitization. Does that mean less 7(a) securitization?

Speaker #2: No. I think the SBA securitizations are very liquid and there's a lot of demand in the ABS market. So that was more of a reference to the CRE CLOs with a focus on a single sector in this case historically multifamily.

Thomas Capasse: No, I think the SBA securitizations are very liquid, and there's a lot of demand in the ABS market. That was more of a reference to the CRE CLOs with a focus on the single sector, in this case, historically multifamily. Because the, what's very important to understand is that, you know, kind of the third leg sequentially of the reboot of the earnings is going to come from recycling of these remaining, and it's a very finite number of REO and NPL assets that have a negative drag of about 2 points currently on ROE. We will, we are integrating our operations, our current origination team, et cetera, with the external manager who has very large investment capacity around a broad array of, you know, CRE sectors.

Speaker #2: Because what's very important to understand is that kind of the third leg, sequentially, of the reboot of the earnings is going to come from recycling of these remaining—and it's a very finite number—of REO and NPL assets that have a negative drag of about two points currently on ROE.

Speaker #2: We are integrating our operations, our current origination team, etc., with the external manager who has very large investment capacity around a broad array of CRE sectors, and we look at best relative value along the lines of becoming sector agnostic.

Thomas Capasse: We look at best relative value along the lines of becoming sector agnostic. To specifically answer your question, many times those transactions are funded with non-recourse bank debt which matches the maturity of the underlying loans, which in turn are, you know, probably at most 3-year exposure, if you look at the external managers', trailing 5-year track record and types of investments.

Speaker #2: And then to specifically answer your question, many times those are transactions are funded with non-recourse bank debt which matches the maturity of the underlying loans which in turn are probably at most three-year exposure if you look at the external manager's trailing five-year track record and types of investments.

Speaker #2: So I think that but what's important to understand is once you free up equity from an NPL resolution, which we have finite plans for the small number of line items, that's immediately accreted because we could rather than building an origination pipeline we were able to immediately get an allocation of that investment with from the external manager which is immediately accretive.

Thomas Capasse: I think that, what's important to understand is once you free up equity from an NPL's resolution, which we have finite plans for the small number of line items, that's immediately accretive because we could, rather than building an origination pipeline, we are able to immediately get an allocation of that investment from the external manager, which is immediately accretive. You know, those investments are running in the low to upper teens, probably in that 14 handle. Anyways, that's just to answer your question, that's how our view is with respect to the positioning. A more, if you will, a more conservative positioning of the liability management relative on a secured basis.

Speaker #2: They're usually, right now, those investments are running in the low to upper teens—probably in that 14 handle. So anyway, that's just to answer your question.

Speaker #2: That's how we are, how our view is with respect to the positioning of the lot. If you will, a more conservative positioning of the liability management on an unsecured basis.

Speaker #4: Great. Thank you.

Christopher Nolan: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you. At this time, I'll turn the floor back to management for closing comments.

Operator: Thank you. At this time, I'll turn the floor back to management for closing comments.

Speaker #2: We appreciate everybody's time and focus on this call and we look forward to the second quarter earnings call. Whereas as we continue to execute and complete our liquidity plan.

Thomas Capasse: We appreciate everybody's time and focus on this call. We look forward to the Q2 earnings call, as we continue to execute and complete our liquidity plan.

Speaker #3: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, you may now disconnect your lines at this time. We thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, you may now disconnect your lines at this time. We thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.