Q1 2026 Rocket Companies Inc Earnings Call

May 7, 2026

[Company Representative] (Rocket Companies): We undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or further events, except as required by law. This call is being broadcast online and is accessible on our investor relations website. A recording of the call will be posted later today. Our commentary today will also include non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP metrics for reported results can be found in our earnings release issued earlier today, as well as in our filings with the SEC. With that, I'll turn things over to Varun Krishna to get us started. Varun.

Speaker #1: Take no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or further events. Except as required by law. This call is being broadcast online and is accessible on our investor relations website.

Speaker #1: A recording of the call will be posted later today. Our commentary today will also include non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP metrics for a reported results can be found in our earnings release issued earlier today, as well as in our filings with the SEC.

[Company Representative] (Rocket Companies): Reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP metrics for reported results can be found in our earnings release issued earlier today, as well as in our filings with the SEC. With that, I'll turn things over to Varun Krishna to get us started. Varun.

Speaker #1: And with that, I'll turn things over to Varun Krishna to get us started. Varun?

Speaker #2: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our first quarter 2026 earnings call. There is a lot happening at Rocket, so I'm going to keep this simple.

Varun Krishna: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our Q1 2026 earnings call. There is a lot happening at Rocket. I'm gonna keep this simple. Three things matter this quarter. First, we delivered strong performance in a volatile market. Second, we are using AI, data, and distribution to create opportunity instead of waiting for the market to hand it to us. Third, Rocket is no longer the same company that it was three years ago. The shape of our business has not just changed, it has fundamentally evolved. Let's start with the quarter. Adjusted revenue came in at $2.8 billion, above the high end of our guidance range. That is not an accident. It reflects the durability of our model, the strength of our execution, and the discipline and resilience of our team.

Varun Krishna: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our Q1 2026 Earnings Call. There is a lot happening at Rocket. I'm gonna keep this simple. Three things matter this quarter. First, we delivered strong performance in a volatile market. Second, we are using AI, data, and distribution to create opportunity instead of waiting for the market to hand it to us. Third, Rocket is no longer the same company that it was three years ago.

Speaker #2: Three things matter this quarter: first, we delivered strong performance in a volatile market; second, we are using AI, data, and distribution to create opportunity instead of waiting for the market to hand it to us; and third, Rocket is no longer the same company that it was three years ago.

Speaker #2: The shape of our business has not just changed; it has fundamentally evolved. So let's start with the quarter. Adjusted revenue came in at $2.8 billion, above the high end of our guidance range.

Varun Krishna: The shape of our business has not just changed, it has fundamentally evolved. Let's start with the quarter. Adjusted revenue came in at $2.8 billion, above the high end of our guidance range. That is not an accident. It reflects the durability of our model, the strength of our execution, and the discipline and resilience of our team.

Speaker #2: That is not an accident. It reflects the durability of our model, the strength of our execution, and the discipline and resilience of our team.

Speaker #2: We do what we say. We say what we do, and we have done that through some of the most volatile operating conditions this industry has ever seen.

Varun Krishna: We do what we say, we say what we do, and we have done that through some of the most volatile operating conditions this industry has ever seen. That consistency is not cosmetic. It defines Rocket. Our $2.1 trillion unpaid principal balance stands out for both scale and quality. In Q1, we generated over $1 billion in income from servicing fees. The power of that portfolio is simple. It creates stable cash flow, it balances the company, and it gives us a built-in engine for future growth. When you combine that with our origination business, you get a massive recapture platform that expands the top of our funnel without traditional client acquisition costs. That is a rare combination. Recurring cash flow, deep client relationships, and built-in upside when the market moves. Net rate lock volume was $49 billion, up 19% from last quarter.

Speaker #2: That consistency is not cosmetic. It defines Rocket. Our $2.1 trillion unpaid principal balance stands out for both scale and quality. In Q1, we generated over $1 fees.

Speaker #2: The power of that portfolio is simple: it creates stable cash flow. It balances the company. And it gives us a built-in engine for future growth.

Varun Krishna: It creates stable cash flow, it balances the company, and it gives us a built-in engine for future growth. When you combine that with our origination business, you get a massive recapture platform that expands the top of our funnel without traditional client acquisition costs. That is a rare combination. Recurring cash flow, deep client relationships, and built-in upside when the market moves. Net rate lock volume was $49 billion, up 19% from last quarter.

Speaker #2: When you combine that with our origination business, you get a massive recapture platform that expands the top of our funnel without traditional client acquisition costs.

Speaker #2: That is a rare combination: recurring cash flow, deep client relationships, and built-in upside when the market moves. Net rate lock volume was $49 billion, up 19% from last quarter.

Speaker #2: We gained market share in both purchase and refinance quarter over quarter and year over year. Adjusted EBITDA reached $738 million, with margin expanding to 26% from 23% in the prior quarter.

Varun Krishna: We gained market share in both purchase and refinance quarter over quarter and year over year. Adjusted EBITDA reached $738 million, with margin expanding to 26% from 23% in the prior quarter. Adjusted diluted EPS was $0.15 compared with $0.11 in Q4. Now, when I look at the housing market, there are 2 forces at work. The first is the market itself. Rates, affordability, inventory, and consumer confidence. Q1 was a wild ride. Rates moved down through the early part of the quarter. The 30-year fixed rate went from 6.15% in January to just under 6% by the end of February. That helped spark both purchase and refinance activity. Volatility returned. Rates moved back up to 6.5% in March. Affordability tightened. The spring season started unevenly.

Speaker #2: Adjusted diluted EPS was $15, compared with $0.11 in the fourth quarter. Now, when I look at the housing market, there are two forces at work.

Speaker #2: The first is the market itself. Rates, affordability, inventory, consumer confidence. Q1 was a wild ride. Rates moved down through the early part of the quarter.

Varun Krishna: The first is the market itself. Rates, affordability, inventory, and consumer confidence. Q1 was a wild ride. Rates moved down through the early part of the quarter. The 30-year fixed rate went from 6.15% in January to just under 6% by the end of February. That helped spark both purchase and refinance activity. Volatility returned. Rates moved back up to 6.5% in March. Affordability tightened. The spring season started unevenly.

Speaker #2: The 30-year fixed rate went from 6.15% in January to just under 6% by the end of February. That helped spark both purchase and refinance activity.

Speaker #2: Then, volatility returned. Rates moved back up to 6.5% in March, and affordability tightened. The spring season started unevenly. You can see it in the data.

Varun Krishna: You can see it in the data. Existing home sales in March were down 1% year over year and nearly 4% from February. That is the market. It moves, it stalls, it surprises people. We do not build Rocket around being surprised. The second force is much bigger: AI. AI is changing how every industry works, and housing is one of those industries. For decades, housing has been slow, manual, fragmented, and expensive. Consumers have carried too much of the burden. Agents, loan officers, and servicers have fought through too much friction, too many steps, too many handoffs, too much waiting. Artificial intelligence fundamentally changes that. Real-time data, predictive insights, and intelligent automation can make the homeownership experience faster, simpler, more personal, and more affordable. A lot of companies are talking about AI right now. Some are still trying to find a strategy.

Speaker #2: Existing home sales in March were down 1% year over year and nearly 4% from February. That's the market. It moves. It stalls. It surprises people.

Speaker #2: We do not build Rocket around being surprised. The second force is much bigger. AI. AI is changing how every industry works and housing is one of those industries.

Speaker #2: For decades, housing has been slow, manual fragmented, and expensive. Consumers have carried too much of the burden. Agents, loan officers, and servicers have fought through too much friction, too many steps, too many handoffs, too much waiting.

Varun Krishna: Consumers have carried too much of the burden. Agents, loan officers, and servicers have fought through too much friction, too many steps, too many handoffs, too much waiting. Artificial intelligence fundamentally changes that. Real-time data, predictive insights, and intelligent automation can make the homeownership experience faster, simpler, more personal, and more affordable.

Speaker #2: Artificial intelligence fundamentally changes that. Real-time data, predictive insights, and intelligent automation can make the homeownership experience faster, simpler, more personal, and more affordable. A lot of companies are talking about AI right now.

Varun Krishna: A lot of companies are talking about AI right now. Some are still trying to find a strategy. Others are bolting tools onto businesses that were never built to use them properly. That is not Rocket. We have been building toward this for years. Over the last six years, we have invested more than $500 million in AI, automation, and the infrastructure underneath it.

Speaker #2: Some are still trying to find a strategy. Others are bolting tools onto businesses that were never built to use them properly. That is not Rocket.

Varun Krishna: Others are bolting tools onto businesses that were never built to use them properly. That is not Rocket. We have been building toward this for years. Over the last six years, we have invested more than $500 million in AI, automation, and the infrastructure underneath it. When people ask what AI changes for Rocket, the answer is clear. It helps us scale what we already do well. That distinction matters. AI without proprietary data is not much of an advantage. AI without distribution is not much of an advantage. AI without workflow integration, not much of an advantage. The advantage really comes from putting it all together. At Rocket, we have the clients, data, servicing relationships, brand, technology, loan officers, agent network, marketing engine, and operating discipline to put AI to work where it actually matters.

Speaker #2: We have been building toward this for years. Over the last six years, we have invested more than $500 million in AI, automation, and the infrastructure underneath it.

Speaker #2: So when people ask, "What AI changes for Rocket?" the answer is clear: it helps us scale what we already do well. That distinction matters.

Varun Krishna: When people ask what AI changes for Rocket, the answer is clear. It helps us scale what we already do well. That distinction matters. AI without proprietary data is not much of an advantage. AI without distribution is not much of an advantage. AI without workflow integration, not much of an advantage.

Speaker #2: AI without proprietary data is not much of an advantage. AI without distribution is not much of an advantage. AI without workflow integration, not much of an advantage.

Speaker #2: The advantage really comes from putting it all together. At Rocket, we have the clients, data, servicing relationships, brand, technology, loan officers, agent network, marketing engine, and operating discipline to put AI to work where it actually matters.

Varun Krishna: The advantage really comes from putting it all together. At Rocket, we have the clients, data, servicing relationships, brand, technology, loan officers, agent network, marketing engine, and operating discipline to put AI to work where it actually matters.

Speaker #2: Not in a demo, not in a lab, in the business at national scale. When AI is woven into the homeownership experience, we can do things others simply cannot match.

Varun Krishna: Not in a demo, not in a lab, in the business at national scale. When AI is woven into the homeownership experience, we can do things others simply cannot match. A client can describe their dream home to Redfin and find listings that fit what they actually mean, not just what they typed. A servicing client can be notified when it's time to refinance, understand their options, and move through the process in minutes. A homebuyer can get pre-approved when it is convenient for them, not when the industry feels like picking up the phone. That is where this gets extremely powerful. Let me give you 2 examples. First, agentic AI is now managing client prospecting and outreach at the top of the funnel. That includes helping clients find homes through conversational search, reaching servicing clients when they are in the money, and pre-qualifying purchase clients.

Speaker #2: A client can describe their dream home to Redfin and find listings that fit what they actually mean, not just what they typed. A servicing client can be notified when it's time to refinance, understand their options, and move through the process in minutes.

Varun Krishna: A servicing client can be notified when it's time to refinance, understand their options, and move through the process in minutes. A homebuyer can get pre-approved when it is convenient for them, not when the industry feels like picking up the phone. That is where this gets extremely powerful. Let me give you 2 examples.

Speaker #2: A homebuyer can get pre-approved when it is convenient for them, not when the industry feels like picking up the phone. That is where this gets extremely powerful.

Speaker #2: Let me give you two examples. First, Agentic AI is now managing client prospecting and outreach at the top of the funnel. That includes helping clients find homes through conversational search, reaching servicing clients when they are in the money, and pre-qualifying purchase clients.

Varun Krishna: First, agentic AI is now managing client prospecting and outreach at the top of the funnel. That includes helping clients find homes through conversational search, reaching servicing clients when they are in the money, and pre-qualifying purchase clients.

Speaker #2: This gives us the ability to contact, engage, and qualify our entire book along with new leads across chat, voice, and text. Prospecting used to be one of the most time-consuming and lowest-converting activities for our loan officers.

Varun Krishna: This gives us the ability to contact, engage, and qualify our entire book along with new leads across chat, voice, and text. Prospecting used to be one of the most time-consuming and lowest converting activities for our loan officers. In some cases, a loan officer might dial 14 clients just to get 1 on the phone. Now, AI works those leads with precision. It knows the client's preferred time and channel. It uses our proprietary data to personalize the experience. It helps us reach the right client with the right message at the right moment. When you service 1 in 6 mortgages in America, speed and scale matter. When the market moves, we need to move at a level most of the industry cannot touch. AI prospecting has reduced loan officer prospecting time from up to 2 hours per day down to 0.

Speaker #2: In some cases, a loan officer might dial 14 clients just to get one on the phone. Now, AI works those leads with precision. It knows the client's preferred time and channel.

Varun Krishna: Now, AI works those leads with precision. It knows the client's preferred time and channel. It uses our proprietary data to personalize the experience. It helps us reach the right client with the right message at the right moment. When you service 1 in 6 mortgages in America, speed and scale matter.

Speaker #2: It uses our proprietary data to personalize the experience. It helps us reach the right client with the right message at the right moment. When you service one in six mortgages in America, speed and scale matter.

Speaker #2: When the market moves, we need to move at a level most of the industry cannot touch. AI prospecting has reduced loan officer prospecting time from up to two hours per day down to zero.

Varun Krishna: When the market moves, we need to move at a level most of the industry cannot touch. AI prospecting has reduced loan officer prospecting time from up to 2 hours per day down to 0. That time is now being used with clients who are already engaged and pre-screened, driving conversion higher by double digits. That is not theory.

Speaker #2: That time is now being used with clients who are already engaged and prescreened, driving conversion higher by double digits. That is not theory. That is production.

Varun Krishna: That time is now being used with clients who are already engaged and pre-screened, driving conversion higher by double digits. That is not theory. That is production. Here's the second example. In late February, we launched AI-powered purchase pre-approval letters. The process is fast, simple, and it's available 24/7. No loan officer assistance is required. Clients can get pre-approved when it works for them, and they're doing exactly that. 40% of our digital pre-approvals are now completed outside of traditional business hours. In just a few months, agentic pre-approvals have grown to 10% of all pre-approvals. We are generating more pre-approval letters overall with a lower percentage requiring loan officer involvement while driving 33% higher conversion through AI. That is the model. Automate the work that should be automated. Let our people spend more time where judgment, expertise, and human connection matter most.

Varun Krishna: That is production. Here's the second example. In late February, we launched AI-powered purchase pre-approval letters. The process is fast, simple, and it's available 24/7. No loan officer assistance is required. Clients can get pre-approved when it works for them, and they're doing exactly that.

Speaker #2: Here's the second example. In late February, we launched AI-powered purchase pre-approval letters. The process is fast, simple, and it's available 24/7. No loan officer assistance is required.

Speaker #2: Clients can get pre-approved when it works for them, and they are doing exactly that. 40% of our digital pre-approvals are now completed outside of traditional business hours.

Varun Krishna: 40% of our digital pre-approvals are now completed outside of traditional business hours. In just a few months, agentic pre-approvals have grown to 10% of all pre-approvals. We are generating more pre-approval letters overall with a lower percentage requiring loan officer involvement while driving 33% higher conversion through AI. That is the model. Automate the work that should be automated.

Speaker #2: In just a few months, Agentic pre-approvals have grown to 10% of all pre-approvals. We are generating more pre-approval letters overall with a lower percentage requiring loan officer involvement, while driving 33% higher conversion through AI.

Speaker #2: That is the model. Automate the work that should be automated. Let our people spend more time where judgment, expertise, and human connection matter most.

Varun Krishna: Let our people spend more time where judgment, expertise, and human connection matter most. Create a better experience for the client and better economics for the business. Last quarter, I talked about an incremental $1 billion in monthly volume driven by our AI innovations.

Speaker #2: Create a better experience for the client and better economics for the business. Last quarter, I talked about an incremental $1 billion in monthly volume driven by our AI innovations.

Varun Krishna: Create a better experience for the client and better economics for the business. Last quarter, I talked about an incremental $1 billion in monthly volume driven by our AI innovations. With our latest launches, we have added another $1 billion in volume per month. Our launch velocity has also changed fundamentally. We are now pushing out new features and experiences five times faster than we were just 2 years ago. That means faster scale, higher conversion, more capacity, and better unit economics. Turning now to integration, we are tracking very well against our major milestones. We now expect Mr. Cooper expense synergies to be fully realized by the end of 2026, 1 year ahead of the original plan. That is a major proof point. Integration is not putting logos next to each other. It is making the company work better, faster, and with more force.

Speaker #2: With our latest launches, we have added another billion dollars in volume per month. Our launch velocity has also changed fundamentally. We are now pushing out new features and experiences five times faster than we were just two years ago.

Varun Krishna: With our latest launches, we have added another $1 billion in volume per month. Our launch velocity has also changed fundamentally. We are now pushing out new features and experiences five times faster than we were just 2 years ago. That means faster scale, higher conversion, more capacity, and better unit economics.

Speaker #2: That means faster scale, higher conversion, more capacity, and better unit economics. Turning now to integration, we are tracking very well against our major milestones.

Varun Krishna: Turning now to integration, we are tracking very well against our major milestones. We now expect Mr. Cooper expense synergies to be fully realized by the end of 2026, 1 year ahead of the original plan. That is a major proof point. Integration is not putting logos next to each other. It is making the company work better, faster, and with more force.

Speaker #2: We now expect Mr. Cooper Expense Synergies to be fully realized by the end of 2026, one year ahead of the original plan. That is a major proof point.

Speaker #2: Integration is not putting logos next to each other. It is making the company work better, faster, and with more force. That brings me to who Rocket is today.

Varun Krishna: That brings me to who Rocket is today. 3 years ago, we began reconstructing the company. We made aggressive moves to restructure, refocus, and reorganize Rocket into something much larger than a mortgage lender. In 2025, we built the foundation. We expanded the ecosystem. We strengthened the platform. We widened the top of funnel. We improved distribution. In 2026, we are bringing it all together across search, origination, servicing, data, and of course, artificial intelligence. That is how we create our own opportunity. We are not waiting for a perfect rate environment. We are not waiting for the market to normalize. We are building a company that can win in the market we have and take even more ground when the market improves. When you think of Rocket today, you should think of 3 things: platform, distribution engine, and ecosystem. These are not slogans.

Speaker #2: Three years ago, we began reconstructing the company. We made aggressive moves to restructure, refocus, and reorganize Rocket into something much larger than a mortgage lender.

Speaker #2: In 2025, we built the foundation. We expanded the ecosystem. We strengthened the platform. We widened the top of funnel. We improved distribution. In 2026, we are bringing it all together across search, origination, servicing, data, and of course, artificial intelligence.

Varun Krishna: We improved distribution. In 2026, we are bringing it all together across search, origination, servicing, data, and of course, artificial intelligence. That is how we create our own opportunity. We are not waiting for a perfect rate environment. We are not waiting for the market to normalize.

Speaker #2: That is how we create our own opportunity. We are not waiting for a perfect rate environment. We are not waiting for the market to normalize.

Speaker #2: We are building a company that can win in the market we have, and take even more ground when the market improves. So when you think of Rocket today, you should think of three things.

Varun Krishna: We are building a company that can win in the market we have and take even more ground when the market improves. When you think of Rocket today, you should think of 3 things: platform, distribution engine, and ecosystem. These are not slogans. They are the machinery of the company.

Speaker #2: Platform, distribution engine, and ecosystem. These are not slogans. They are the machinery of the company. No one matches our top of funnel when you combine home search, marketing, and servicing recapture.

Varun Krishna: They are the machinery of the company. No one matches our top of funnel when you combine home search, marketing, and servicing recapture. No one matches the combination of our brand, scale, distribution, and data. We have hundreds of thousands of real estate agents in our network and more than 10,000 loan officers and broker partners. We have a technology platform custom-built for this industry. We have proprietary data that gets smarter with every client interaction. That is very hard to copy. Others may copy pieces, a feature here, a workflow there, a marketing claim, a model, a partnership, but a piece is not the system, and the system is what matters. Scale matters. Servicing matters. Recapture matters. Distribution matters. Data, compliance, and execution all matter. Without those things, AI is just a tool. With those things, AI becomes leverage. Then there is culture.

Varun Krishna: No one matches our top of funnel when you combine home search, marketing, and servicing recapture. No one matches the combination of our brand, scale, distribution, and data. We have hundreds of thousands of real estate agents in our network and more than 10,000 loan officers and broker partners.

Speaker #2: No one matches the combination of our brand, scale, distribution, and data. We have hundreds of thousands of real estate agents in our network and more than 10,000 loan officers and broker partners.

Speaker #2: We have a technology We have proprietary data that gets smarter with every client interaction. That is very hard to copy. Others may copy pieces, a feature here, a workflow there, a marketing claim, a model, a partnership, but a piece is not the system and the system is what matters.

Varun Krishna: We have a technology platform custom-built for this industry. We have proprietary data that gets smarter with every client interaction. That is very hard to copy. Others may copy pieces, a feature here, a workflow there, a marketing claim, a model, a partnership, but a piece is not the system, and the system is what matters.

Speaker #2: Scale matters. Servicing matters. Recapture matters. Distribution matters. Data, compliance, and execution all matter. Without those things, AI is just a tool. With those things, AI becomes leverage.

Varun Krishna: Scale matters. Servicing matters. Recapture matters. Distribution matters. Data, compliance, and execution all matter. Without those things, AI is just a tool. With those things, AI becomes leverage. Then there is culture. Culture is still one of Rocket's sharpest advantages. Whether someone came from Legacy Rocket, Redfin, or Mr. Cooper, they're here because they believe in the mission to help everyone home.

Speaker #2: And then there is culture. Culture is still one of Rocket's sharpest advantages. Whether someone came from legacy Rocket, Redfin, or Mr. Cooper, they're here because they believe in the mission to help everyone home.

Varun Krishna: Culture is still one of Rocket's sharpest advantages. Whether someone came from Legacy Rocket, Redfin, or Mr. Cooper, they're here because they believe in the mission to help everyone home. That matters more than people think. We are ambitious. We are competitive. We want to win badly. We also care deeply about the client, and we care about each other. That combination is rare. Hard edge, real heart, that has always been Rocket. For 40 years, our culture has helped us move through change before others were ready. It helped us lead through the internet era. It helped us lead through mobile, and it is helping us lead again in artificial intelligence. We do not wait for change. We engineer it. That is who Rocket is today.

Speaker #2: That matters more than people think. We are ambitious. We are competitive. We want to win badly. But we also care deeply about the client and we care about each other.

Varun Krishna: That matters more than people think. We are ambitious. We are competitive. We want to win badly. We also care deeply about the client, and we care about each other. That combination is rare. Hard edge, real heart, that has always been Rocket. For 40 years, our culture has helped us move through change before others were ready. It helped us lead through the internet era.

Speaker #2: That combination is rare. Hard edge, real heart, that has always been Rocket. For 40 years, our culture has helped us move through change before others were ready.

Speaker #2: It helped us lead through the internet era. It helped us lead through mobile. And it is helping us lead again in artificial intelligence. We do not wait for change.

Varun Krishna: It helped us lead through mobile, and it is helping us lead again in artificial intelligence. We do not wait for change. We engineer it. That is who Rocket is today. This quarter shows the model is working, the AI work shows the model is getting stronger, and the company is built to take ground in whatever market shows up. With that, Brian, over to you.

Speaker #2: We engineer it. That is who Rocket is today. This quarter shows the model is working. The AI work shows the model is getting stronger.

Varun Krishna: This quarter shows the model is working, the AI work shows the model is getting stronger, and the company is built to take ground in whatever market shows up. With that, Brian, over to you.

Speaker #2: And the company is built to take ground in whatever market shows up. With that, Brian, over to you.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Varun, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'll discuss Rocket's strong first-quarter results, which reflect the power of the Rocket ecosystem and platform. I'll also provide an update on how we continue to make progress on our fixed costs and walk through our Outlook for the second quarter.

Brian Brown: Thank you, Varun. Good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'll discuss Rocket's strong Q1 results, which reflect the power of the Rocket ecosystem and platform. I'll also provide an update on how we continue to make progress on our fixed costs and walk through our outlook for the Q2. Let me start with our financial performance. Over the past year, we've intentionally transformed Rocket, and it's showing up in the numbers. In Q1, we beat guidance, expanded EBITDA margins, and grew market share in both refinance and purchase. adjusted revenue grew to $2,822 million, surpassing the high end of our guidance range. adjusted net income was $422 million, or $0.15 of adjusted EPS.

Speaker #1: Let me start with our financial performance. Over the past year, we've intentionally transformed Rocket in its showing up in the numbers. In Q1, we beat guidance, expanded EBIT margins, and grew market share in both refinance and purchase.

Brian Brown: Over the past year, we've intentionally transformed Rocket, and it's showing up in the numbers. In Q1, we beat guidance, expanded EBITDA margins, and grew market share in both refinance and purchase. adjusted revenue grew to $2,822 million, surpassing the high end of our guidance range. adjusted net income was $422 million, or $0.15 of adjusted EPS.

Speaker #1: Adjusted revenue grew to $2 billion, 822 million. Surpassing the high end of our guidance range. Adjusted net income was $422 million. We're 15 cents of adjusted EPS.

Speaker #1: Adjusted EBITDA rose to $738 million. Up from $592 million last quarter, with margins expanding to 26%. This was our most profitable quarter in four years.

Brian Brown: Adjusted EBITDA rose to $738 million, up from $592 million last quarter, with margins expanding to 26%. This was our most profitable quarter in 4 years. This performance was the direct result of deliberate strategy and sustained investment. Rocket was built to perform through volatility across every rate environment and every market cycle. The industry experienced a favorable origination environment in January and February as rates cooperated, followed by a sharp reversal in March as energy prices surged with the outbreak of the conflict in the Middle East. Rocket navigated both environments with strength. Net rate lock volume reached $49 billion, a 19% increase quarter-over-quarter, driven by growth across all origination channels. The service client recapture in Rocket Pro channels led the way.

Speaker #1: This performance was the direct result of deliberate strategy in sustained investment. Rocket was built to perform through volatility, across every rate environment and every market cycle.

Speaker #1: The industry experienced a favorable origination environment in January and February as rates cooperated. Followed by a sharp reversal in March as energy prices surged with the outbreak of the conflict in the Middle East.

Brian Brown: The industry experienced a favorable origination environment in January and February as rates cooperated, followed by a sharp reversal in March as energy prices surged with the outbreak of the conflict in the Middle East. Rocket navigated both environments with strength.

Speaker #1: Rocket navigated both environments with strength. Net rate lock volume reached $49 billion. A 19% increase quarter over quarter. Driven by growth across all origination channels.

Brian Brown: Net rate lock volume reached $49 billion, a 19% increase quarter-over-quarter, driven by growth across all origination channels. The service client recapture in Rocket Pro channels led the way. The combination of the Rocket brand, more personalized experiences, and AI-powered origination capabilities drove recapture on Mr. Cooper-originated clients to an all-time high.

Speaker #1: The service client recapture in Rocket pro channels led the way. The combination of the Rocket brand, more personalized experiences, and AI-powered origination capabilities drove recapture on Mr. Cooper originated clients to an all-time high.

Brian Brown: The combination of the Rocket brand, more personalized experiences, and AI-powered origination capabilities drove recapture on Mr. Cooper-originated clients to an all-time high. The gains we have seen in the first 2 quarters since closing have exceeded our internal expectations, and the numbers reflect it. Closed loan volume from our servicing portfolio hit an all-time high, with 54% of refinance closings coming from existing service clients. On the wholesale side, Rocket Pro built momentum throughout the quarter. A big catalyst came from Rocket Ignite, our large-scale event bringing our mortgage broker partners across the country together. At Ignite, we launched Jupiter, a white-labeled loan origination system we're offering to our broker partners at no cost. Jupiter streamlines workflow, automates follow-ups, and manages the loan life cycle from registration to closing.

Speaker #1: The gains we have seen in the first two quarters since closing have exceeded our internal expectations. And the numbers reflect it. Close loan volume from our servicing portfolio hit an all-time high, with 54% of refinance closings coming from existing service clients.

Brian Brown: The gains we have seen in the first 2 quarters since closing have exceeded our internal expectations, and the numbers reflect it. Closed loan volume from our servicing portfolio hit an all-time high, with 54% of refinance closings coming from existing service clients. On the wholesale side, Rocket Pro built momentum throughout the quarter.

Speaker #1: On the wholesale side, Rocket Pro built momentum throughout the quarter. A big catalyst came from Rocket Ignite. Our large-scale event bringing our mortgage broker partners across the country together.

Brian Brown: A big catalyst came from Rocket Ignite, our large-scale event bringing our mortgage broker partners across the country together. At Ignite, we launched Jupiter, a white-labeled loan origination system we're offering to our broker partners at no cost. Jupiter streamlines workflow, automates follow-ups, and manages the loan life cycle from registration to closing.

Speaker #1: At Ignite, we launched Jupiter, a white-labeled loan origination system where offering to our broker partners at no cost. Jupiter streamlines workflow, automates follow-ups, and manages the loan lifecycle from registration to closing.

Speaker #1: We also announced an expansion of our partnership with Compass and launched a special pricing incentive for Rocket Pro partners working with Compass agents. The market response has been immediate.

Brian Brown: We also announced an expansion of our partnership with Compass and launched a special pricing incentive for Rocket Pro partners working with Compass agents. The market response has been immediate. In just the last 2 months, we've already added nearly 180 new Rocket Pro partners, which collectively represent a $5 billion opportunity in annual closed loan volume. The pace at which we're adding partners continues to increase. Cutting across all channels was the growth of our home equity and jumbo loan products, with both doubling year-over-year. This growth translated directly into market share expansion quarter-on-quarter and year-on-year. These increases were accompanied by healthy margins. Gain on sale margin, excluding correspondent, was 322 basis points in Q1, our highest since Q1 2021.

Speaker #1: In just the last two months, we've already added nearly 180 new Rocket Pro partners. Which collectively represent a $5 billion opportunity in annual closed loan volume.

Speaker #1: The pace at which we're adding partners continues to increase. Cutting across all channels was the growth of our home equity and jumbo loan products, with both doubling year over year.

Brian Brown: The pace at which we're adding partners continues to increase. Cutting across all channels was the growth of our home equity and jumbo loan products, with both doubling year-over-year. This growth translated directly into market share expansion quarter-on-quarter and year-on-year. These increases were accompanied by healthy margins.

Speaker #1: This growth translated directly into market share expansion quarter on quarter and year on year. These increases were company-by-healthy margins. Gain-on-sale margin excluding correspondent was 322 basis points in the first quarter, our highest since the first quarter of 2021.

Brian Brown: Gain on sale margin, excluding correspondent, was 322 basis points in Q1, our highest since Q1 2021. What makes these results particularly meaningful is not just their scale and magnitude. It's the foundation upon which they are built. With the acquisition of Mr. Cooper and Redfin, the composition of Rocket's revenue is more diverse than ever.

Speaker #1: But what makes these results particularly meaningful is not just their scale and magnitude—it's the foundation upon which they are built. With the acquisition of Mr. Cooper and Redfin, the composition of Rocket's revenue is more diverse than ever.

Brian Brown: What makes these results particularly meaningful is not just their scale and magnitude. It's the foundation upon which they are built. With the acquisition of Mr. Cooper and Redfin, the composition of Rocket's revenue is more diverse than ever. In Q1, roughly 70% of Rocket's revenue came from recurring or less rate-sensitive sources. We think about our business across three distinct revenue categories. First, recurring revenue, which includes the servicing business and the Rocket Money subscription business. This category represents our durable, fee-based foundation. Second, our less rate-sensitive revenue, which includes purchase mortgages, Cash Out, closed-end seconds, and the Redfin business, is primarily driven by housing activity and client demand. While these products have some relationship to rates, they offer an addressable market that is large and relatively stable. The third category is rate-sensitive revenue, consisting of rate and term refinances and other items.

Speaker #1: In the first quarter, roughly 70% of Rocket's revenue came from recurring or less rate-sensitive sources. We think about our business across three distinct revenue categories.

Brian Brown: In Q1, roughly 70% of Rocket's revenue came from recurring or less rate-sensitive sources. We think about our business across three distinct revenue categories. First, recurring revenue, which includes the servicing business and the Rocket Money subscription business. This category represents our durable, fee-based foundation.

Speaker #1: First, recurring revenue, which includes the servicing business and the Rocket Money subscription business. This category represents our durable fee-based foundation. Second, our less rate-sensitive revenue, which includes purchase mortgages, cash out, closed-end seconds, and the Redfin business, is primarily driven by housing activity and client demand.

Brian Brown: Second, our less rate-sensitive revenue, which includes purchase mortgages, Cash Out, closed-end seconds, and the Redfin business, is primarily driven by housing activity and client demand. While these products have some relationship to rates, they offer an addressable market that is large and relatively stable.

Speaker #1: While these products have some relationship to rates, they offer an addressable market that is large in a relatively stable. The third category is rate-sensitive revenue, consisting of rate and term refinances, and other items.

Brian Brown: The third category is rate-sensitive revenue, consisting of rate and term refinances and other items. Our rate-sensitive revenue has the most direct exposure to rate movements, but it's also our greatest source of upside when rates decline. This is what a balanced business model looks like.

Speaker #1: Our rate-sensitive revenue has the most direct exposure to rate movements but it's also our greatest source of upside when rates decline. This is what a balanced business model looks like.

Brian Brown: Our rate-sensitive revenue has the most direct exposure to rate movements, but it's also our greatest source of upside when rates decline. This is what a balanced business model looks like. More than two-thirds of our revenue provides stability and predictability through the cycle. Rocket is no longer solely a rate-driven business. We are a business with durable, recurring revenue streams that also retain significant upside when rates fall. Now let me share an update on integration synergies. Integrating a business of this scale demands disciplined execution. Our teams have moved with speed and precision, with a strict focus on protecting the Rocket client experience. The Mr. Cooper integration is running well ahead of schedule. As we mentioned last quarter, we identified the full $400 million target for annualized expense synergies with full realization expected by the end of 2026.

Speaker #1: More than two-thirds of our revenue provides stability and predictability through the cycle. Rocket is no longer solely a rate-driven business. We are a business with durable, recurring revenue streams that also retain significant upside when rates fall.

Brian Brown: More than two-thirds of our revenue provides stability and predictability through the cycle. Rocket is no longer solely a rate-driven business. We are a business with durable, recurring revenue streams that also retain significant upside when rates fall. Now let me share an update on integration synergies.

Speaker #1: Now, let me share an update on integration synergies. Integrating a business of this scale demands disciplined execution. Our teams have moved with speed and precision, with a strict focus on protecting the Rocket client experience.

Brian Brown: Integrating a business of this scale demands disciplined execution. Our teams have moved with speed and precision, with a strict focus on protecting the Rocket client experience. The Mr. Cooper integration is running well ahead of schedule. As we mentioned last quarter, we identified the full $400 million target for annualized expense synergies with full realization expected by the end of 2026.

Speaker #1: The Mr. Cooper integration is running well ahead of schedule. As we mentioned last quarter, we identified the full 400 million target for annualized expense synergies with full realization expected by the end of 2026.

Speaker #1: That puts us an entire year ahead of our original plan. Here's how we expect these savings to phase in between now and the end of the year.

Brian Brown: That puts us an entire year ahead of our original plan. Here's how we expect these savings to phase in between now and the end of the year. Through the end of Q1, we have realized $75 million in annualized run rate savings. By the end of Q2, we expect to capture another $100 million in annualized savings. The remaining $225 million of annualized savings we plan to capture in the H2 of this year. These synergies flow directly into our fixed cost structure, primarily through the elimination of overlapping vendor contracts and the rationalization of duplicative functions. On a related note, I'd like to give an exciting update on our origination capacity.

Speaker #1: Through the end of the first quarter, we have realized 75 million in annualized run rate savings. By the end of the second quarter, we expect to capture another 100 million in annualized savings.

Speaker #1: And the remaining 225 million of annualized savings, we plan to capture in the second half of this year. These synergies flow directly into our fixed cost structure, primarily through the elimination of overlapping vendor contracts and the rationalization of duplicative functions.

Brian Brown: The remaining $225 million of annualized savings we plan to capture in the H2 of this year. These synergies flow directly into our fixed cost structure, primarily through the elimination of overlapping vendor contracts and the rationalization of duplicative functions. On a related note, I'd like to give an exciting update on our origination capacity.

Speaker #1: On a related note, I'd like to give an exciting update on our origination capacity. At our September 2024 investor day, we shared that at that time, Rocket had the capacity to originate up to 150 billion without adding fixed costs.

Brian Brown: At our September 2024 Investor Day, we shared that at that time, Rocket had the capacity to originate up to $150 billion without adding fixed costs. We also shared that we expected to double that capacity to $300 billion by the end of 2027. Since then, the pace of deployment has accelerated materially with the power of AI. End-to-end digital refinancing, digital pre-approvals for purchase mortgages, voice AI and SMS texting for prospecting clients, AI underwriting agents, these capabilities backed by sustained investment are live at scale today in driving real operating leverage. The result is that we now have up to $300 billion of origination capacity with several hundred fewer production team members than we had back in 2024. We've done this 2 years ahead of schedule while actively reducing fixed costs through synergies.

Speaker #1: We also shared that we expected to double that capacity to 300 billion by the end of 2027. Since then, the pace of deployment has accelerated materially with the power of AI.

Speaker #1: End-to-end digital refinancing, digital pre-approvals for purchase mortgages, voice AI, and SMS texting for prospecting clients, AI underwriting agents, these capabilities backed by sustained investment are live at scale today in driving real operating leverage.

Brian Brown: End-to-end digital refinancing, digital pre-approvals for purchase mortgages, voice AI and SMS texting for prospecting clients, AI underwriting agents, these capabilities backed by sustained investment are live at scale today in driving real operating leverage. The result is that we now have up to $300 billion of origination capacity with several hundred fewer production team members than we had back in 2024.

Speaker #1: The result is that we now have up to 300 billion of origination capacity with several hundred fewer production team members than we had back in 2024.

Speaker #1: And we've done this two years ahead of schedule while actively reducing fixed costs through synergies. March is the clearest proof point. We ramped up volumes quickly from January and February's levels, closing nearly 20 billion in volume without straining the platform.

Brian Brown: We've done this 2 years ahead of schedule while actively reducing fixed costs through synergies. March is the clearest proof point. We ramped up volumes quickly from January and February's levels, closing nearly $20 billion in volume without straining the platform. Loans closed per team member were up 75% compared to 2 years ago.

Brian Brown: March is the clearest proof point. We ramped up volumes quickly from January and February's levels, closing nearly $20 billion in volume without straining the platform. Loans closed per team member were up 75% compared to 2 years ago. AI is sharpening our unit economics and widening our competitive moat. Now turning to our outlook for the Q2. Before getting into the numbers, let me frame up the current market environment. Since the outbreak of conflict in the Middle East in late February, rising energy prices have weighed on consumer sentiment and raised concerns about the future of inflation. Mortgage rates are approximately 50 basis points higher than their February lows. Homes are taking longer to sell, averaging 51 days on market, the longest stretch since 2019. The spring home buying season's off to a slow start.

Speaker #1: Loans closed per team member were up 75% compared to two years ago. AI is sharpening our unit economics and widening our competitive moat. Now, turning to our outlook for the second quarter.

Brian Brown: AI is sharpening our unit economics and widening our competitive moat. Now turning to our outlook for the Q2. Before getting into the numbers, let me frame up the current market environment. Since the outbreak of conflict in the Middle East in late February, rising energy prices have weighed on consumer sentiment and raised concerns about the future of inflation.

Speaker #1: Before getting into the numbers, let me frame up the current market environment. Since the outbreak of conflict in the Middle East in late February, rising energy prices have weighed on consumer sentiment and raised concerns about the future of inflation.

Speaker #1: Mortgage rates are approximately 50 basis points higher than their February lows. Homes are taking longer to sell, averaging 51 days on market, the longest stretch since 2019.

Brian Brown: Mortgage rates are approximately 50 basis points higher than their February lows. Homes are taking longer to sell, averaging 51 days on market, the longest stretch since 2019. The spring home buying season's off to a slow start. Our real-time market indicators suggest that the mortgage market will not see the same sort of uplift in Q2 that historical seasonality would typically suggest.

Speaker #1: The spring home buying season's off to a slow start. Our real-time market indicators suggest that the mortgage market will not see the same sort of uplift in Q2 that historical seasonality would typically suggest.

Brian Brown: Our real-time market indicators suggest that the mortgage market will not see the same sort of uplift in Q2 that historical seasonality would typically suggest. Our guidance reflects this reality and reflects our ability to outperform within it. For Q2, we expect adjusted revenue to be between $2.7 billion and $2.9 billion. The midpoint of this range reflects our confidence in continued share gains. On the expense side, we anticipate approximately $2.43 billion at the midpoint of the revenue range. This includes $110 million in amortization of intangible assets, $100 million for stock-based compensation, and $20 million in estimated one-time acquisition costs.

Speaker #1: Our guidance reflects this reality and reflects our ability to outperform within it. For the second quarter, we expect adjusted revenue to be between 2 billion, 700 million, and 2 billion, 900 million.

Brian Brown: Our guidance reflects this reality and reflects our ability to outperform within it. For Q2, we expect adjusted revenue to be between $2.7 billion and $2.9 billion. The midpoint of this range reflects our confidence in continued share gains.

Speaker #1: The midpoint of this range reflects our confidence in continued share gains. On the expense side, we anticipate approximately 2 billion, 430 million at the midpoint of the revenue range.

Brian Brown: On the expense side, we anticipate approximately $2.43 billion at the midpoint of the revenue range. This includes $110 million in amortization of intangible assets, $100 million for stock-based compensation, and $20 million in estimated one-time acquisition costs.

Speaker #1: This includes 110 million in amortization of intangible assets, 100 million for stock-based compensation, and 20 million in estimated one-time acquisition costs. Excluding these items, expenses are expected to be 2 billion, 200 million, or approximately 60 million lower from the first quarter due to the realization of synergies and ongoing benefits of our AI initiatives.

Brian Brown: Excluding these items, expenses are expected to be $2.2 billion or approximately $60 million lower from Q1 due to the realization of synergies and ongoing benefits of our AI initiatives. As a reminder, this Q2 expense guidance reflects the reclassification of warehouse interest expense from a contra-revenue account to an expense line item, which is consistent with the Q1 financials in the earnings release. The net result implies higher profitability in Q2 in what we expect to be a tougher market. 2026 is a pivotal year, and this platform is built for it. Our top-of-funnel reach, distribution network, massive servicing portfolio, and technology platform form a durable, self-reinforcing competitive engine. Today, these strengths drive profitable growth regardless of how the macro environment shifts. With that, operator, we are ready to take questions.

Speaker #1: As a reminder, this Q2 expense guidance reflects the reclassification of warehouse interest expense from a contra-revenue account to an expense line item, which is consistent with the Q1 financials in the earnings release.

Speaker #1: The net result implies higher profitability in the second quarter in what we expect to be a tougher market. 2026 is a pivotal year, and this platform is built for it.

Brian Brown: The net result implies higher profitability in Q2 in what we expect to be a tougher market. 2026 is a pivotal year, and this platform is built for it. Our top-of-funnel reach, distribution network, massive servicing portfolio, and technology platform form a durable, self-reinforcing competitive engine. Today, these strengths drive profitable growth regardless of how the macro environment shifts. With that, operator, we are ready to take questions.

Speaker #1: Our top-of-funnel reach, distribution network, massive servicing portfolio, and technology platform form a durable, self-reinforcing, competitive engine. Today, these strengths drive profitable growth regardless of how the macro environment shifts.

Speaker #1: With that, Operator, we're ready to take questions. We are now opening the floor for question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star, followed by 1 on your telephone keypad, that's star, followed by 1 on your telephone keypad.

Operator: We are now opening the floor for question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. That's star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. Kindly limit your question to 1 question and 1 question only. Your first question comes from the line of Mihir Bhatia of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Speaker #1: Kindly limit your question to one question and one question only. Your first question comes from the line with me here. Basla, of Bank of America, your line is now open.

Speaker #2: Hi. In terms of the guide, you're guiding a little bit below where 1Q ended up. And I was just wondering if you could maybe talk through some of the internals a little bit, just what's driving that.

Mihir Bhatia: In terms of the guide, you know, you're guiding a little bit below where Q1 ended up. I was just wondering if you could maybe talk through some of the internals a little bit, just what's driving that. Is it volume, margins? I know rates have backed up a bit, but just any kind of color you can give the feasibility could take together.

Speaker #2: Is it volume, margins? I know rates have backed up a bit, but just, any kind of seasonally, it would typically be better.

Speaker #3: Yeah, I'm here. Thank you for the question. Why don't I start by just talking a little bit about our market outlook, and then I'm going to ask Brian to unpack a little bit more detail on the specifics of our actual guide.

Varun Krishna: Yeah, Mihir, thank you for the question. You know, why don't I start by just talking a little bit about our market outlook, then I'm going to ask Brian to unpack a little bit more detail on the specifics of our actual guide, I think that context is important. Let me start by just saying that Q1 started extremely strong. You know, rates were cooperating. What you really see is Rocket's business model snapping into action exactly as designed. This is really what's unique about our ecosystem and platform working. Obviously, what happened later in the quarter is that a major conflict in the Middle East exploded. With the war, oil prices went up, inflation pressure increased, then rates moved up.

Speaker #3: Because I think that context is important. So let me start by just saying that Q1 started extremely strong. Rates were cooperating. And what you really see is Rocket's business model snapping into action exactly as designed.

Varun Krishna: You know, rates were cooperating. What you really see is Rocket's business model snapping into action exactly as designed. This is really what's unique about our ecosystem and platform working. Obviously, what happened later in the quarter is that a major conflict in the Middle East exploded. With the war, oil prices went up, inflation pressure increased, then rates moved up.

Speaker #3: And this is really what's unique about our ecosystem and platform working. Obviously, what happened later in the quarter is that a major conflict in the Middle East exploded.

Speaker #3: With the war, oil prices went up, inflation pressure increased, and then rates moved up. And that certainly changed some of the trajectory as we moved into Q2.

Varun Krishna: That certainly changed some of the trajectory as we moved into Q2. I think the industry forecasts are expecting a step up in Q2. I would say that we're just not seeing that. What we see is that Q2 is probably going to look a little bit more like Q1. It's still healthy, but I expect that the forecasts are going to catch up to that reality. That's what we're seeing in our real-time data. Yes, the environment has shifted, but I would say the underlying demand is still resilient, and that's the most important thing. You know, just speaking specifically about Rocket, when you have an ecosystem and a platform that's built for this environment, when you could convert demand at scale, you have more of a self-perpetuating ecosystem with servicing that's really built for this exact moment.

Speaker #3: I think the industry forecasts are expecting a step up in Q2, but I would say that we're just not seeing that. What we see is that Q2 is probably going to look a little bit more like Q1.

Speaker #3: It's still healthy, but I expect that the forecasts are going to catch up to that reality. And that's what we're seeing in our real-time data.

Varun Krishna: That's what we're seeing in our real-time data. Yes, the environment has shifted, but I would say the underlying demand is still resilient, and that's the most important thing. You know, just speaking specifically about Rocket, when you have an ecosystem and a platform that's built for this environment, when you could convert demand at scale, you have more of a self-perpetuating ecosystem with servicing that's really built for this exact moment.

Speaker #3: So yes, the environment has shifted, but I would say the underlying demand is still resilient. And that's the most important thing. And just speaking specifically about Rocket, when you have an ecosystem and a platform that's built for this environment, when you could convert demand at scale, you have more of a self-perpetuating ecosystem with servicing that's really built for this exact moment.

Speaker #3: All of that is reflected in our guide, which is strong. And obviously, when the conflict resolves, we expect to benefit further. So just with that backdrop, let me hand it over to Brian to unpack a little bit more about Q1 and the guide of Q2.

Varun Krishna: All of that is reflected in our guide, which is strong. You know, obviously when the conflict resolves, we expect to benefit further. Just with that backdrop, let me hand it over to Brian to unpack a little bit more about Q1 and the guide of Q2.

Speaker #4: Yeah, thanks, Bruen. Let me double-click on Q1 first. I think January and February and really even the beginning of March really demonstrated our ability to capture the upside when rates cooperate.

Brian Brown: Yeah. Thanks, Varun Krishna. Let me double-click on Q1 first. I think January and February, and really even the beginning of March, really demonstrated our ability to capture the upside when rates cooperate. All of our channels outperformed. That includes recapture, our new client acquisition in especially the pro business. To Varun Krishna's point, today the rate environment is just completely different. The 10-year, you know, is hovering somewhere around 440 basis points. You have to go all the way back to July of last year to see rates that high. We've seen an expected pullback from rate and term refinance. There's no doubt about that. The good news is as we move into Q2, our less rate sensitive products, like Cash Out and closed-end seconds, continue to perform at those Q1 levels.

Speaker #4: All of our channels outperformed. That includes recapture, our new client acquisition, and especially the Pro business. But to Bruen’s point, today the rate environment is just completely different.

Brian Brown: To Varun Krishna's point, today the rate environment is just completely different. The 10-year, you know, is hovering somewhere around 440 basis points. You have to go all the way back to July of last year to see rates that high. We've seen an expected pullback from rate and term refinance. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker #4: The 10-year is hovering somewhere around 440 basis points. You have to go all the way back to July of last year to see rates that high.

Speaker #4: So we've seen an expected pullback from rate-and-term refinance—there's no doubt about that. But the good news is, as we move into Q2, our less rate-sensitive products like cash-out and closed-end seconds continue to perform at those Q1 levels.

Brian Brown: The good news is as we move into Q2, our less rate sensitive products, like Cash Out and closed-end seconds, continue to perform at those Q1 levels. The other thing that's worth mentioning is servicing amortization. It's slowed down, which really demonstrates this balanced business model in action.

Speaker #4: And the other thing that's worth mentioning is servicing amortization. It's slowed down, which really demonstrates this balanced business model in action. And just to comment on the purchase side for a second, it has been a slow-forming season, but it's important to note the pipeline of pre-approved purchase clients is at our highest level of all time, proving that there are clients in market that want to buy homes.

Brian Brown: The other thing that's worth mentioning is servicing amortization. It's slowed down, which really demonstrates this balanced business model in action. Just to comment on the purchase side for a second, it has been a slow-forming season, but it's important to note the pipeline of pre-approved purchase clients is at our highest level of all time, proving that there are clients in market that want to buy homes. They just need a little bit of cooperation for rates. I'll kind of end on a little bit more detail on the Q2 guidance. As Varun Krishna said, we think the market is tougher than the industry forecast would say. We think the Q2 numbers that you can see in some of the industry forecasts are just wrong.

Brian Brown: Just to comment on the purchase side for a second, it has been a slow-forming season, but it's important to note the pipeline of pre-approved purchase clients is at our highest level of all time, proving that there are clients in market that want to buy homes. They just need a little bit of cooperation for rates. I'll kind of end on a little bit more detail on the Q2 guidance.

Speaker #4: They just need a little bit of cooperation for rates. So kind of end on a little bit more detail on the Q2 guidance. As Bruen said, we think the market is tougher than the industry forecast would say.

Brian Brown: As Varun Krishna said, we think the market is tougher than the industry forecast would say. We think the Q2 numbers that you can see in some of the industry forecasts are just wrong. From a volume perspective here at Rocket, we expect volumes to be similar to Q1, which is really impressive when you think about rates being more than 50 basis points higher than those Q1 levels.

Speaker #4: We think the Q2 numbers that you can see in some of the energy forecasts are just wrong. But from a volume perspective, here at Rocket, we expect volumes to be similar to Q1, which is really impressive when you think about rates being more than 50 basis points higher than those Q1 levels.

Brian Brown: From a volume perspective here at Rocket, we expect volumes to be similar to Q1, which is really impressive when you think about rates being more than 50 basis points higher than those Q1 levels. On the gain on sale margin front, gain on sale margins, we're happy to report are holding very steady. In fact, on an individual channel level, we're seeing gain on sale margins so far in Q2 hold consistent with Q1. We are seeing a little bit of downward pressure just from mix shift to more Pro during a heavier purchase season, but overall, really healthy margins on the channel levels.

Speaker #4: And on the gain-on-sale margin front, gain-on-sale margins we're happy to report are holding very steady. In fact, on an individual channel level, we're seeing gain-on-sale margins so far in Q2 hold consistent with Q1.

Brian Brown: On the gain on sale margin front, gain on sale margins, we're happy to report are holding very steady. In fact, on an individual channel level, we're seeing gain on sale margins so far in Q2 hold consistent with Q1. We are seeing a little bit of downward pressure just from mix shift to more Pro during a heavier purchase season, but overall, really healthy margins on the channel levels.

Speaker #4: We are seeing a little bit of downward pressure just from makeshift to more pro during a heavier purchase season. But overall, really healthy margins on the channel levels.

Speaker #2: Thank you.

[Analyst]: Thank you.

Mihir Bhatia: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Adelson. Of Morgan Stanley, your line is now open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Adelson of Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Speaker #5: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to focus a bit on expenses here. It looks like you're expenses came down quite a bit this quarter.

Jeff Adelson: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to focus a bit on expenses here. It looks like your expenses came down quite a bit this quarter. You know, I think they came in about 2% or maybe $60 million below your guide. Can you talk a bit about what drove that beat? Was this the synergy execution, something else happening? I know you've kinda historically talked about when you come in at the higher end of your revenue guide, your expenses tend to go above the guide you give for the quarter. Just maybe what happened there. You know, your incremental margin also stepped up a little bit this quarter. Can you maybe just dive into how you're thinking about the businesses' incremental margins over time?

Speaker #5: I think they came in about 2% or maybe 60 million below your guide. You talk a bit about what drove that beat. Was this the synergy execution, something else happening?

Speaker #5: I know you've kind of historically talked about when you come in at the higher end of your revenue guide, your expenses tend to go above the guide you give for the quarter.

Jeff Adelson: I know you've kinda historically talked about when you come in at the higher end of your revenue guide, your expenses tend to go above the guide you give for the quarter. Just maybe what happened there. You know, your incremental margin also stepped up a little bit this quarter.

Speaker #5: So just maybe what happened there? And then your incremental margin also stepped up a little bit this quarter. Can you maybe just dive into how you're thinking about the business's incremental margins over time?

Jeff Adelson: Can you maybe just dive into how you're thinking about the businesses' incremental margins over time? I know you talk a lot about the 70% on the Rocket standalone b- side, just maybe helping us unpack a little bit the different incremental margins for the, you know, two big parts of the business you now have. Thanks.

Speaker #5: I know you talk a lot about the 70% on the Rocket Standalone side, but just maybe helping us unpack a little bit the different incremental margins for the two big parts of the business you now have.

Jeff Adelson: I know you talk a lot about the 70% on the Rocket standalone b- side, just maybe helping us unpack a little bit the different incremental margins for the, you know, two big parts of the business you now have. Thanks.

Speaker #5: Thanks.

Speaker #4: Yeah, thanks, Jeff. Appreciate the question. Look, really proud. I'm glad you asked it of the work we've done on the expense side. And just a reminder for folks on the call, our goal is really simple.

Brian Brown: Yeah. Thanks, Jeff. Appreciate the question. Look, really proud, I'm glad you asked it, of the work we've done on the expense side. Just a reminder for folks on the call that our goal is really simple. It's take fixed up costs out of the system while increasing efficiency and capacity, essentially growing operating leverage. Just since we've talked about capacity, you know, we have $300 billion of origination capacity right now, and that's more than doubled in 2 years. It's kinda crazy to think about. If you take a step back, where could our capacity be 2 years from now at this velocity?

Speaker #4: It's take, fix, costs out of the system while increasing efficiency, incapacity, essentially growing operating leverage. And just since we talked about capacity, we have 300 billion of origination capacity right now.

Brian Brown: Just since we've talked about capacity, you know, we have $300 billion of origination capacity right now, and that's more than doubled in 2 years. It's kinda crazy to think about. If you take a step back, where could our capacity be 2 years from now at this velocity?

Speaker #4: And that's more than doubled in two years. It's kind of crazy to think about. If you take a step back, where could our capacity be two years from now at this velocity?

Speaker #4: And then to your point, just to touch on the margin piece, remember, when we're doing recapture loans, which is a big part of our business, you have a cost of acquisition that's pretty close to zero.

Brian Brown: Then to your point, just to touch on the margin piece, you know, remember, when we're doing recapture loans, which is a big part of our business, you have a cost of acquisition that's pretty close to zero, and you're generating, you know, 50% to 70% incremental EBITDA margins after amortization when we fill up that capacity. To your point on the better than expected expenses in Q1, and notice too the Q2 guide and expenses is down as well, it is the synergies. It's taking fixed costs out of the system, and it's being ahead of our plan. You know, the Q2 guide at the midpoint has expenses down about $60 million versus Q1 after adjustments. That's almost $0.02 of EPS. You can see the operating leverage increasing, and you can see the EBITDA margins expanding.

Speaker #4: And you're generating 50 to 70 percent incremental EBITDA margins after amortization when we fill up that capacity. But to your point on the better-than-expected expenses in Q1 and notice to the Q2 guide on expenses is down as well, it is the synergies.

Brian Brown: To your point on the better than expected expenses in Q1, and notice too the Q2 guide and expenses is down as well, it is the synergies. It's taking fixed costs out of the system, and it's being ahead of our plan. You know, the Q2 guide at the midpoint has expenses down about $60 million versus Q1 after adjustments.

Speaker #4: It's taking, fixed costs out of the system, and it's being ahead of our plan. The Q2 guide at the midpoint has expenses down about 60 million dollars versus Q1 after adjustments.

Speaker #4: That's almost two pennies of EPS. So you can see the operating leverage increasing, and you can see the EBITDA margins expanding. And it's just worth mentioning, we said this in the prepared remarks, but we're a full year ahead of our original goal on the synergy on the expense side.

Brian Brown: That's almost $0.02 of EPS. You can see the operating leverage increasing, and you can see the EBITDA margins expanding. You know, it's just worth mentioning, we said this in the prepared remarks, but we're a full year ahead of our original goal on the synergy on the expense side.

Brian Brown: You know, it's just worth mentioning, we said this in the prepared remarks, but we're a full year ahead of our original goal on the synergy on the expense side. We said $400 million by the end of 2027, and we'll have that, you know, in the books, by the end of 2026. We're doing everything we set out to do. We're decreasing fixed costs, we're increasing operating leverage, and we're getting more efficient along the way.

Speaker #4: We said 400 million by the end of '27, and we'll have that in the books by the end of '26. So we're doing everything we set out to do.

Brian Brown: We said $400 million by the end of 2027, and we'll have that, you know, in the books, by the end of 2026. We're doing everything we set out to do. We're decreasing fixed costs, we're increasing operating leverage, and we're getting more efficient along the way.

Speaker #4: We're decreasing fixed costs. We're increasing operating leverage, and we're getting more efficient along the way.

Speaker #5: Great. Thank you.

Jeff Adelson: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Chad Larkin. Of Oppenheimer, your line is now open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Chad Larkin of Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Speaker #5: Hey, thanks. You gave a couple of really good examples of how AI is benefiting your business today. How should we think about kind of future AI benefits to the business?

Chad Larkin: Hey, thanks. You gave a couple of really good examples of how AI is benefiting your business today. How should we think about kind of future AI benefits to the business? You know, I would think that, you know, it should help you be able to drive better long-term recapture rates over time, for one. How should we think about AI benefits to margin kind of over like, I don't know, medium and long term? Thank you.

Speaker #5: I would think that it should help you be able to drive better long-term recapture rates over time, for one. And then how should we think about AI benefits to margin kind of over like, I don't know, medium and long term?

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Yeah, thanks for the question, Chad. I think the simple answer to your question is we expect the benefits of our technology and artificial intelligence investments to compound in a non-linear way.

Varun Krishna: Yeah. Thanks for the question, Chad. You know, I think the simple answer to your question is we expect the benefits of our technology and artificial intelligence investments to compound in a nonlinear way. You know, just stepping back for this, I think there's a lot of hype in the market right now around AI, and most of what you're seeing from other players in our industry are really narrow use cases. You know, they work for one loan. They work for one scenario. You might see, you know, a demo here or there. What we find is that these, you know, competitive claims aren't really translating into real like outcomes, and it's more like marketing hype. That's just not how a real business operates.

Speaker #2: But just stepping back for this, I think there's a lot of hype in the market right now around AI. And most of what you're seeing from other players in our industry are really narrow use cases.

Varun Krishna: You know, they work for one loan. They work for one scenario. You might see, you know, a demo here or there. What we find is that these, you know, competitive claims aren't really translating into real like outcomes, and it's more like marketing hype. That's just not how a real business operates.

Speaker #2: They work for one loan; they work for one scenario. You might see a demo here or there. But what we find is that these competitive claims aren't really translating into real outcomes.

Speaker #2: And it's more like marketing hype. And that's just not how a real business operates. I've been a technologist for a long time. And I think what matters in AI, it's not the model; it's the system that's attached to the model, that feeds it.

Varun Krishna: You know, I've been a technologist for a long time. I think what matters in AI, it's not the model, it's the system that's attached to the model that feeds it. That's where Rocket is very special, right? We have the intent with Redfin, 50 million monthly active users at the top of the funnel. We have the economics in the financing with Rocket Mortgage, right? That's scaled to operate in 50 states, 3,000 counties. We have the ongoing servicing relationship with Mr. Cooper. All of this is to say that this creates a proprietary data set across the entirety of the homeownership life cycle. To your point, we're operating that system at scale. I think that's a key point. Like, our chat pulls credit 4,000 times per day.

Speaker #2: And that's where Rocket is very special, right? We have the intent with Redfin: 50 million monthly active users at the top of the funnel.

Speaker #2: We have the economics in the financing with Rocket Mortgage, right? That's scaled to operate in 50 states, 3,000 counties. We have the ongoing servicing relationship with Mr. Cooper.

Varun Krishna: That's scaled to operate in 50 states, 3,000 counties. We have the ongoing servicing relationship with Mr. Cooper. All of this is to say that this creates a proprietary data set across the entirety of the homeownership life cycle. To your point, we're operating that system at scale. I think that's a key point. Like, our chat pulls credit 4,000 times per day.

Speaker #2: All of this is to say that this creates a proprietary data set across the entirety of the homeownership lifecycle. And to your point, we're operating that system at scale.

Speaker #2: And I think that's a key point. Our chat holds credit 4,000 times per day. Our prospecting for AI has more than processes more than 32,000 outbound leads every single day.

Varun Krishna: Our prospecting for AI processes more than 32,000 outbound leads every single day. That's, like, real productivity. To give you a sense, just March 2024 to March 2026, closings per production team member, thanks to AI, is up 74%. There is literally no one else in this industry that's operating with AI at that level. We're building the system that AI runs on scale from day one. The thing that I would leave you with is just sort of as you assess other players, I mean, just ask the simple question, like, what are the outcomes that these are driving at scale? How many clients benefit? How much cost comes out? What is the net conversion improvement? How many loans are actually closed? I think that's where the difference starts to show up.

Speaker #2: And that's like real productivity. To give you a sense, just March of 2024 to March of 2026, closings per production team member, thanks to AI, is up 74%.

Speaker #2: So there is literally no one else in this industry that's operating with AI at that level. And we're building the system that AI runs on scale from day one.

Varun Krishna: We're building the system that AI runs on scale from day one. The thing that I would leave you with is just sort of as you assess other players, I mean, just ask the simple question, like, what are the outcomes that these are driving at scale? How many clients benefit? How much cost comes out?

Speaker #2: And the thing that I would just I would leave you with is just sort of, as you assess other players, I mean, just ask the simple question: what are the outcomes that these are driving at scale?

Speaker #2: How many clients benefit? How much cost comes out? What is the net conversion improvement? How many loans are actually closed? And I think that's where the difference starts to show up.

Varun Krishna: What is the net conversion improvement? How many loans are actually closed? I think that's where the difference starts to show up. I expect the benefits across every aspect of our company, from how we acquire and grow demand at the top of the funnel, to how we drive conversion, to how we reduce the cost to originate a loan, and then ultimately how we force multiplier recapture to increase and compound in a nonlinear way over the coming years.

Speaker #2: But I expect the benefits across every aspect of our company from how we acquire and grow demand at the top of the funnel to how we drive conversion to how we reduce the cost to originate a loan and then ultimately how we force multiply recapture to increase and compound in a non-linear way over the coming years.

Varun Krishna: I expect the benefits across every aspect of our company, from how we acquire and grow demand at the top of the funnel, to how we drive conversion, to how we reduce the cost to originate a loan, and then ultimately how we force multiplier recapture to increase and compound in a nonlinear way over the coming years.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Mark DeVries of Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Mark DeVries. Of Deutsche Bank, your line is now open.

Speaker #3: Yeah, thank you. Just had a question on how it looks like you're tracking on recapture on the Mr. Cooper servicing book. I thought I heard something in the prepared comments about a 50% or 54% recapture.

Mark DeVries: Yeah. Thank you. Just had a question on how it looks like you're tracking on recapture on the Mr. Cooper servicing book. I thought I heard something in the prepared comments about a 50% or 54% recapture. Was that just for Mr. Cooper Group? Could you just talk about your optimism of ultimately getting to kind of the low 60% range, you know, that was kind of assumed in the deal economics?

Speaker #3: Was that just for Mr. Cooper Group? And could you just talk about your optimism of ultimately getting to kind of the low 60% range that was kind of assumed in the deal economics?

Speaker #2: Yeah, great question, Mark. We're going to I want to get to the specifics of recapture and where we see the synergy opportunity. But we're very, very bullish.

Varun Krishna: Yeah. Great question, Mark. You know, I wanna get to the specifics of recapture and where we see the synergy opportunity, we're very, very bullish. I think it's probably just helpful for me to just give a high-level overview of just where we are with integration. Then I'll ask Brian to go a little bit deeper into synergies. The first thing I would just say is, look, we are in the midst of pretty massive integration of two big public companies, I could not be more proud of the progress that we've made. You know, you have multiple companies, systems, cultures, all coming together at scale, it impacts thousands of our team members. Let me just share with you all just three key data points that give me a lot of confidence in our progress.

Speaker #2: I think it's probably just helpful for me to just give a high-level overview of just where we are with integration and then I'll ask Brian to go a little bit deeper into the synergies.

Speaker #2: And the first thing I would just say is, look, we are in the midst of a pretty massive integration of two big public companies.

Varun Krishna: The first thing I would just say is, look, we are in the midst of pretty massive integration of two big public companies, I could not be more proud of the progress that we've made. You know, you have multiple companies, systems, cultures, all coming together at scale, it impacts thousands of our team members.

Speaker #2: But I could not be more proud of the progress that we've made. You have multiple companies' systems, cultures, all coming together at scale. And it impacts thousands of our team members.

Speaker #2: But let me just share with you all just three key data points that give me a lot of confidence in our progress. The first one is complexity.

Varun Krishna: Let me just share with you all just three key data points that give me a lot of confidence in our progress. The first one is complexity. We've just completed the largest servicing transfer in industry history, bringing our servicing platforms and our client base into one unified experience.

Varun Krishna: The first one is complexity. We've just completed the largest servicing transfer in industry history, bringing our servicing platforms and our client base into one unified experience. That's millions of clients, trillions of dollars of principal balance unpaid, thousands of workflows that are now fully unified into a single system, which is pretty impressive. The second is simply culture. You know, integrations only work if the culture works, and we're definitely seeing that. We just did a baseline survey of the entire new Rocket organization, inclusive of Redfin, inclusive of Mr. Cooper. Engagement, which, you know, I think as you know, is a key measure of pride, desire, and belief in the company's strategy, is at 82%, and that's up 2 points. That's across the entire integrated organization. That gives me a lot of confidence that our team and our org is with us.

Speaker #2: We've just completed the largest servicing transfer in industry history, bringing our servicing platforms and our client base into one unified experience. So that's millions of clients, trillions of dollars of principal balance unpaid, thousands of workflows that are now fully unified into a single system.

Varun Krishna: That's millions of clients, trillions of dollars of principal balance unpaid, thousands of workflows that are now fully unified into a single system, which is pretty impressive. The second is simply culture. You know, integrations only work if the culture works, and we're definitely seeing that.

Speaker #2: Which is pretty impressive. The second is simply culture. Integrations only work if the culture works, and we're definitely seeing that. We just did a baseline survey of the entire new Rocket organization—inclusive of Redfin, inclusive of Mr. Cooper.

Varun Krishna: We just did a baseline survey of the entire new Rocket organization, inclusive of Redfin, inclusive of Mr. Cooper. Engagement, which, you know, I think as you know, is a key measure of pride, desire, and belief in the company's strategy, is at 82%, and that's up 2 points. That's across the entire integrated organization.

Speaker #2: And engagement, which I think, as you know, is a key measure of pride, desire, and belief in the company's strategy, is at 82%. And that's up 2 points.

Speaker #2: That's across the entire integrated organization. And that gives me a lot of confidence that our team and our org is with us. And then the third thing is just execution.

Varun Krishna: That gives me a lot of confidence that our team and our org is with us. The third thing is just execution. You know, I'm going to give this to Brian in a minute, but we are well ahead of plan. We originally guided to 2027 for Mr. Cooper expense synergies. We now expect to achieve that in 2026.

Varun Krishna: The third thing is just execution. You know, I'm going to give this to Brian in a minute, but we are well ahead of plan. We originally guided to 2027 for Mr. Cooper expense synergies. We now expect to achieve that in 2026. We're doing that while increasing capacity, while continuing to invest in the platform, and while running the business quarter-over-quarter meeting or beating our guidance. It's not just about taking out cost, it's about building a system that's more scalable, more efficient, really bringing a team along that journey that believes in the future of the company. Overall, we feel very good about the progress. We're very bullish on recapture, ahead of schedule. Brian, maybe you can just unpack some more detail on the synergies and recapture.

Speaker #2: And I'm going to give this to Brian in a minute. But we are well ahead of plan. We originally guided to 2027 for Mr. Cooper expense synergies.

Speaker #2: We now expect to achieve that in '26. We're doing that while increasing capacity, while continuing to invest in the platform, and while running the business quarter over quarter, meeting or beating our guidance.

Varun Krishna: We're doing that while increasing capacity, while continuing to invest in the platform, and while running the business quarter-over-quarter meeting or beating our guidance. It's not just about taking out cost, it's about building a system that's more scalable, more efficient, really bringing a team along that journey that believes in the future of the company.

Speaker #2: So it's not just about taking out cost. It's about building an efficient system that's more scalable, more efficient, and really bringing a team along that journey that believes in the future of the company.

Speaker #2: So overall, we feel very good about the progress. We're very bullish on recapture ahead of schedule. And then, Brian, maybe you can just unpack some more detail on the synergies and recapture.

Varun Krishna: Overall, we feel very good about the progress. We're very bullish on recapture, ahead of schedule. Brian, maybe you can just unpack some more detail on the synergies and recapture.

Speaker #5: Sure. Yeah. I think we touched on the expense side. But, Mark, let me answer your question on recapture and get into the revenue side of the synergies.

Brian Brown: Sure, yeah. I think we touched on the expense side. Mark, let me answer your question on recapture and get into the revenue side of the synergies. Yeah, 54% of our closings were from the service portfolio. That's inclusive of Rocket and Cooper all in, just to clarify. On the recapture rates, specifically, we're ahead of plan in terms of what we set out to do. Actually, when we look at the Cooper portfolio and we look at the Cooper-originated portfolio, we're seeing recapture rates that are the highest in the history of Cooper. That's really good to see. Actually, the thing that I'm really excited about, even maybe more so, is on the Cooper portfolio that was acquired or purchased, we're seeing really nice increases in that recapture.

Speaker #5: Yeah, 54% of our closings were from the service portfolio. That's inclusive of Rocket and Cooper all in, just to clarify. But on the recapture rates, specifically, we're ahead of plan in terms of what we set out to do.

Speaker #5: And actually, when we look at the Cooper portfolio and we look at the Cooper originated portfolio, we're seeing recapture rates that are the highest in the history of Cooper.

Brian Brown: Actually, when we look at the Cooper portfolio and we look at the Cooper-originated portfolio, we're seeing recapture rates that are the highest in the history of Cooper. That's really good to see. Actually, the thing that I'm really excited about, even maybe more so, is on the Cooper portfolio that was acquired or purchased, we're seeing really nice increases in that recapture.

Speaker #5: So that's really good to see. But actually, the thing that I'm really excited about, even maybe more so, is on the Cooper portfolio that was acquired or purchased, we're seeing really nice increases in that recapture.

Speaker #5: And as we've talked about on previous calls, both of those are important. Because to the extent we can continue to convince ourselves that we have better recapture on purchased portfolios, that opens up many different ways of acquiring MSRs, putting them on the portfolio, and increasing the LTV through great recapture.

Brian Brown: As we talked about on previous calls, both of those are important because to the extent we can continue to convince ourselves that we have better recapture on purchased portfolios, that opens up many different ways of acquiring MSRs, putting them on the portfolio, and increasing the LTV through great recapture. Ahead of plan on the Cooper recapture, which is, as you know, the lion's share of the revenue synergies. It is just worth saying too, remember on the Redfin side, it was all about attach rates. We have line of sight into 50% attach rates already in the Redfin side. We're hovering around 45%, and that's in continuing to increase. We're seeing really nice revenue synergies on the Redfin side as well.

Speaker #5: So ahead of plan on the Cooper recapture, which is, as you know, the lion's share of the revenue synergies, and it is just worth saying, too, remember on the Redfin side, it was all about attach rates.

Brian Brown: Ahead of plan on the Cooper recapture, which is, as you know, the lion's share of the revenue synergies. It is just worth saying too, remember on the Redfin side, it was all about attach rates. We have line of sight into 50% attach rates already in the Redfin side. We're hovering around 45%, and that's in continuing to increase. We're seeing really nice revenue synergies on the Redfin side as well.

Speaker #5: And we have line of sight into 50% attach rates already in the Redfin side. We're hovering around 45%. And that's in continuing to increase.

Speaker #5: So we're seeing really nice revenue synergies on the Redfin side as well.

Speaker #3: Great. Thank you.

Mark DeVries: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Ryan McKenevy of Zelman. Your line is now open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ryan McKeveny of Zelman. Your line is now open.

Ryan McKeveny: Results. I wanted to dig in a bit on the Compass partnership. I know it's only been a couple of months, can you talk about what you're seeing thus far out of the partnership? I guess I'm curious both on the Redfin side in terms of, you know, traffic to the website, just lead generation, those dynamics. Also on the Rocket side being embedded as the digital mortgage provider within the Compass platform. Anything you can share in terms of, you know, what you're seeing thus far out of the relationship there? Thank you.

Speaker #6: Results. So I wanted to dig in a bit on the Compass partnership. I know it's only been a couple of months. But can you talk about what you're seeing thus far out of the partnership?

Speaker #6: And I guess I'm curious both on the Redfin side in terms just lead generation, those dynamics, but also on the Rocket side being embedded as the digital mortgage provider.

Ryan McKeveny: Also on the Rocket side being embedded as the digital mortgage provider within the Compass platform. Anything you can share in terms of, you know, what you're seeing thus far out of the relationship there? Thank you.

Speaker #6: Within the Compass platform, anything you can share in terms of what you're seeing thus far out of the relationship there? Thank you.

Speaker #2: Yeah, of course. Thank you for the question, Ryan. I'll start by just saying that this partnership is very exciting to us. This is about skating toward where the puck is going.

Varun Krishna: Yeah, of course. Thank you for the question, Ryan. You know, I'll start by just saying that this partnership is very exciting to us. This is about skating toward where the puck is going. The purpose of this partnership is really to impact the way that this industry fundamentally works. You know, the issue today is that the home buying process is extremely fractured, right? You have inventory and real estate. You have traffic, mortgage, and servicing, and they're all separate. That is not good for consumers. Whether you're a buyer or a seller, that creates friction, it makes things more expensive, and frankly, it's antiquated. What we're trying to do is just bring these things closer together and connect them so that the end consumer, the end client, the buyer, the seller can benefit. The idea is pretty simple. Inventory drives traffic.

Speaker #2: And the purpose of this partnership is really to impact the way that this industry fundamentally works. The issue today is that the home buying process is extremely fractured, right?

Speaker #2: You have inventory and real estate. You have traffic, mortgage, and servicing. And they're all separate. That is not good for consumers, whether you're a buyer or a seller.

Varun Krishna: You have inventory and real estate. You have traffic, mortgage, and servicing, and they're all separate. That is not good for consumers. Whether you're a buyer or a seller, that creates friction, it makes things more expensive, and frankly, it's antiquated. What we're trying to do is just bring these things closer together and connect them so that the end consumer, the end client, the buyer, the seller can benefit. The idea is pretty simple. Inventory drives traffic.

Speaker #2: That creates friction. It makes things more expensive. And frankly, it's antiquated. And so what we're trying to do is just bring these things closer together and connect them, so that the end consumer, the end client, the buyer, the seller, can benefit.

Speaker #2: And the idea is pretty simple. Inventory drives traffic. Traffic drives leads. Leads drive mortgage. Mortgage leads to servicing. And that creates recapture. So as you mentioned, in terms of the specifics of the partnership, it is early days.

Varun Krishna: Traffic drives leads. Leads drive mortgage. Mortgage leads to servicing, and that creates recapture. You know, as you mentioned, in terms of the specifics of the partnership, it is early days. Just a couple of months in, we're very pleased with the signals and the productivity of the teams. I'll just give you know, a couple of key data points. We've already generated nearly 10,000 exclusive listings on Redfin. That's inventory that drives traffic, and that's really helping to drive, you know, more inventory and discovery. We've delivered just shy of 30,000 leads into the Compass ecosystem as an evolution of the Redfin business model. What's also really exciting is 1 in 4 of our purchase loans in our TPO broker channel are actually coming from Compass. All of these are promising, but this is just the beginning.

Speaker #2: But just a couple of months in, we're very pleased with the signals and the productivity of the teams. And I'll just give you a couple of key data points.

Speaker #2: We've already generated nearly 10,000 exclusive listings on Redfin. So that's inventory that drives traffic. And that's really helping to drive more inventory and discovery.

Varun Krishna: We've already generated nearly 10,000 exclusive listings on Redfin. That's inventory that drives traffic, and that's really helping to drive, you know, more inventory and discovery. We've delivered just shy of 30,000 leads into the Compass ecosystem as an evolution of the Redfin business model.

Speaker #2: We've delivered just shy of 30,000 leads into the Compass ecosystem. As an evolution of the Redfin business model. And what's also really exciting is, one in four of our purchase loans in our TPO broker channel are actually coming from Compass.

Varun Krishna: What's also really exciting is 1 in 4 of our purchase loans in our TPO broker channel are actually coming from Compass. All of these are promising, but this is just the beginning. These are just the early days. You know, with any large-scale enterprise partnership, we've got more work to do.

Speaker #2: And so all of these are promising. But this is just the beginning. These are just the early days. And with any large-scale enterprise partnership, we've got more work to do.

Varun Krishna: These are just the early days. You know, with any large-scale enterprise partnership, we've got more work to do. This is an extension of the platform that we're building. You know, one system benefits the client better, faster, lower rates, lower fees. Those are just some early indicators. The teams are working really well together. We're very connected, and we're just gonna keep sharing more progress as this continues.

Speaker #2: But this is an extension of the platform that we're building. One system benefits the client better, faster, lower rates, lower fees. So those are just some early indicators.

Varun Krishna: This is an extension of the platform that we're building. You know, one system benefits the client better, faster, lower rates, lower fees. Those are just some early indicators. The teams are working really well together. We're very connected, and we're just gonna keep sharing more progress as this continues.

Speaker #2: The teams are working really well together. We're very connected. And we're just going to keep sharing more progress as this continues.

Speaker #6: Great. Thank you.

Ryan McKeveny: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Don Fendetti. A Wells Fargo your line is now open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Donald Fandetti of Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Don Fandetti of Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Speaker #3: Hi, Varun. I was wondering if you can provide your updated thoughts on the competitive landscape. I mean, it just seems like some of the other originator services are struggling to keep up with some of the expense.

Donald Fandetti: Hi, Varun. I was wondering if you can provide your updated thoughts on the competitive landscape. I mean, it just seems like some of the other originator services are struggling to keep up with some of the expense and AI investment. Sort of related to that, how are you feeling about tracking towards your market share goals?

Speaker #3: And AI investment. And then sort of related to that, how are you feeling about tracking towards your market share goals?

Speaker #2: Yeah. Thank you for the question, Don. I mean, I'll start by talking about competition. And then I can move into market share. To be honest with you, we don't spend a ton of time focused on competition.

Varun Krishna: Yeah. Thank you for the question, Don. I mean, I'll start by talking about competition, and then I can move into market share. You know, to be honest with you know, we don't spend a ton of time focused on competition. I mean, we respect our competitors, we learn from them, Our maniacal focus is on the client. It's on executing, it's building a fully integrated platform across search, mortgage, and servicing. That's what you see with Rocket, Redfin, and Mr. Cooper coming together. You sort of see that in our outcomes. You know what? I would say across the industry, you know, a key factor is, you know, the average time to close a loan. It's something that we pay a lot of attention to. That's like 45 days today.

Speaker #2: I mean, we respect our competitors. We learn from them. But our maniacal focus is on the client. It's on executing. It's building a fully integrated platform across search, mortgage, and servicing.

Varun Krishna: It's on executing, it's building a fully integrated platform across search, mortgage, and servicing. That's what you see with Rocket, Redfin, and Mr. Cooper coming together. You sort of see that in our outcomes. You know what? I would say across the industry, you know, a key factor is, you know, the average time to close a loan.

Speaker #2: And that's what you see with Rocket, Redfin, and Mr. Cooper coming together. You sort of see that in our outcomes. I would say across the industry, a key fact is the average time to close a loan.

Speaker #2: It's something that we pay a lot of attention to. That's like 45 days today. In March of this year, Rocket's days to close was less than half of that.

Varun Krishna: It's something that we pay a lot of attention to. That's like 45 days today. In March of this year, Rocket's days to close was less than half of that. Almost half of our loans, even within that, close in 15 days or less. I think what that tells me is it sort of validates your thesis, which is that for some of these competitors, the technology investments are just not translating into, like, real operational performance.

Varun Krishna: In March of this year, Rocket's days to close was less than half of that. Almost half of our loans, even within that, close in 15 days or less. I think what that tells me is it sort of validates your thesis, which is that for some of these competitors, the technology investments are just not translating into, like, real operational performance. It's more of a marketing architecture that I think gives you some headlines, it gives you some PR value. For us, this is, like, really different. I mean, our technology is built for scale. It's built to benefit millions of clients on day one. You know, as I said earlier, I just think there's a lot of claims in the market specific to AI. When you really dig into it, you realize that they operate in extremely narrow use cases.

Speaker #2: And almost half of our loans, even within that, closed in 15 days or less. And I think what that tells me is it sort of validates your thesis, which is that for some of these competitors, the technology investments are just not translating into real operational performance.

Speaker #2: It's more of a marketing architecture that I think gives you some headlines. It gives you some PR value. But for us, this is really different.

Varun Krishna: It's more of a marketing architecture that I think gives you some headlines, it gives you some PR value. For us, this is, like, really different. I mean, our technology is built for scale. It's built to benefit millions of clients on day one. You know, as I said earlier, I just think there's a lot of claims in the market specific to AI.

Speaker #2: I mean, our technology is built for scale. It's built to benefit millions of clients on day one. And as I said earlier, I just think there's a lot of claims in the market, specific to AI, and when you really dig into it, you realize that they operate in extremely narrow use cases.

Varun Krishna: When you really dig into it, you realize that they operate in extremely narrow use cases. Again, I would just sort of ask these basic questions, like, at what scale does it operate? How many loans are actually closed? How much revenue is actually generated? How much cost is taken out? I think that's where the difference really shows up.

Speaker #2: And so again, I would just sort of ask these basic questions. At what scale does it operate? How many loans are actually closed? How much revenue is actually generated?

Varun Krishna: Again, I would just sort of ask these basic questions, like, at what scale does it operate? How many loans are actually closed? How much revenue is actually generated? How much cost is taken out? I think that's where the difference really shows up. You know, as you heard in our prepared remarks, we talk about the scale, we talk about the impact. Look, at the end of the day, I come from a school of thought where you always respect your competitor, but you have to be very clear on your strategy. You set the direction and, you know, that's our plan, is we're just gonna keep building. You know, it's interesting to see others sort of reacting to it and following suit and replicating it. You know, we're gonna stick to our game plan.

Speaker #2: How much cost is taken out? I think that's where the difference really shows up. And so, as you heard in our prepared remarks, we talk about the scale.

Varun Krishna: You know, as you heard in our prepared remarks, we talk about the scale, we talk about the impact. Look, at the end of the day, I come from a school of thought where you always respect your competitor, but you have to be very clear on your strategy. You set the direction and, you know, that's our plan, is we're just gonna keep building.

Speaker #2: We talk about the impact. And look, at the end of the day, I come from a school of thought where you always respect your competitor.

Speaker #2: But you have to be very clear on your strategy. You set the direction. And that's our plan, is we're just going to keep building.

Varun Krishna: You know, it's interesting to see others sort of reacting to it and following suit and replicating it. You know, we're gonna stick to our game plan. In terms of market share, you know, I'll just say really quickly, we feel really good about our progress and our ability to achieve our market share goals. Q1 is a good example of that.

Speaker #2: It's interesting to see others sort of reacting to it and following suit and replicating it. But we're going to see where our game plan.

Varun Krishna: In terms of market share, you know, I'll just say really quickly, we feel really good about our progress and our ability to achieve our market share goals. Q1 is a good example of that. We gained market share in both purchase and refinance quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year. You know, the thing I would just say is that candidly, consistently, growth is not gonna be perfectly linear. Like it's gonna ebb and flow depending on large number of factors that we've talked about. Look, the fundamentals and the underlying drivers of share in our model are all working, right? We see runway with Redfin in terms of attach rate and how traffic is converting into mortgage. On the servicing side, recapture is a very strong driver and a lever that will continue to increase in value.

Speaker #2: In terms of market share, I'll just say really quickly, we feel really good about our progress and our ability to achieve our market share goals.

Speaker #2: Q1 is a good example of that. We gained market share in both purchase and refinance quarter over quarter and year over year. The thing I would just say is that candidly, consistently growth is not going to be perfectly linear.

Varun Krishna: We gained market share in both purchase and refinance quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year. You know, the thing I would just say is that candidly, consistently, growth is not gonna be perfectly linear. Like it's gonna ebb and flow depending on large number of factors that we've talked about.

Speaker #2: It's going to ebb and flow depending on a large number of factors that we've talked about. But look, the fundamentals and the underlying drivers of our share in our model are all working, right?

Varun Krishna: Look, the fundamentals and the underlying drivers of share in our model are all working, right? We see runway with Redfin in terms of attach rate and how traffic is converting into mortgage. On the servicing side, recapture is a very strong driver and a lever that will continue to increase in value.

Speaker #2: We see runway with Redfin in terms of attach rate and how traffic is converting into mortgage. On the servicing side, to recapture, is a very strong driver and a lever that will continue to increase in value.

Speaker #2: We continue to acquire new clients through great brand marketing and prospecting. So, if you kind of step back, I would say the inputs that drive share are performing.

Varun Krishna: We continue to acquire new clients through great brand marketing and prospecting. If you kind of step back, I would say the inputs that drive share are performing, and when those inputs work, the share will follow. That gives us confidence in our path forward and our long-term goals. The last thing I would just say is that we are very principled in how we invest and drive growth. We are not going to sacrifice profitability to chase share. We're focused on growing share the right way for the long term. That's how we think you run a company.

Speaker #2: And when those inputs work, the share will follow. That gives us confidence in our path forward and our long-term goals. The last thing I would just say is that we are very principled in how we invest and drive growth.

Varun Krishna: That gives us confidence in our path forward and our long-term goals. The last thing I would just say is that we are very principled in how we invest and drive growth. We are not going to sacrifice profitability to chase share. We're focused on growing share the right way for the long term. That's how we think you run a company.

Speaker #2: We are not going to sacrifice profitability to chase share. We're focused on growing share the right way for the long term. That's how we think you run a company.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Donald Fandetti: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Our last question comes from the line of Bosey George. A KBW your line is now open.

Operator: Our last question comes from the line of Bose George of KBW. Your line is now open.

Speaker #4: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Actually, I was going to ask about the market share as well. But just to follow up on that, how do you guys feel about growing the correspondent channel?

Bose George: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Actually, I was gonna ask about the market share as well. Just to follow up on that, how do you guys feel about growing the correspondent channel, you know, as also a way to increase your market share?

Speaker #4: It's also a way to increase your market share.

Speaker #6: Hey, Bosey. Yeah. Thanks for the question. Yeah. Listen, we really like the correspondent channel. Obviously, that wasn't a big deal to Rocket before. But that was one of the attractive points of Mr. Cooper.

Brian Brown: Hey, Bose. Yeah, thanks for the question. Yeah, listen, we really like the correspondent channel. Obviously, that wasn't a big deal to Rocket before, but that was one of the attractive points of Mr. Cooper, and there's several different ways, as we know, to acquire MSRs. Of course, the way we like the most is just acquiring the client and doing the first loan, doing it organically. Rocket has traditionally participated in the bulk market and will continue to look at that. The correspondent channel is a really efficient way to fill that servicing funnel. Kinda going back earlier to those recapture rate discussions, we know our recapture rate, even on acquired MSRs, is higher than what the industry experiences, and it's still going up every single day. It allows us to be very thoughtful in the ROI equation.

Speaker #6: And there's several different ways as we know to acquire MSRs. Of course, the way we like the most is just acquiring the client and doing the first loan, doing it organically.

Speaker #6: Rocket has traditionally participated in the bulk market and will continue to look at that. But the correspondent channels are really efficient ways to fill that servicing funnel and kind of going back earlier to those recapture rate discussions.

Brian Brown: Rocket has traditionally participated in the bulk market and will continue to look at that. The correspondent channel is a really efficient way to fill that servicing funnel. Kinda going back earlier to those recapture rate discussions, we know our recapture rate, even on acquired MSRs, is higher than what the industry experiences, and it's still going up every single day.

Speaker #6: We know our recapture rate, even on acquired MSRs, is higher than what the industry experiences. And it's still going up every single day. So it allows us to be very thoughtful in the ROI equation.

Brian Brown: It allows us to be very thoughtful in the ROI equation. It's definitely a big part of our capital waterfall and a place that we'll continue to invest. It ultimately just comes down to a best execution decision that we make almost every single day between acquiring clients out in market, bulk acquisitions, correspondent, and even the co-issue business is also very attractive way to acquire MSRs.

Speaker #6: So it's definitely a big part of our capital waterfall and in a place that will continue to invest. But it ultimately just comes down to a best execution decision that we make almost every single day between acquiring clients out in market, bulk acquisitions, correspondent, and even the co-issue business is also very attractive way to acquire MSRs.

Brian Brown: It's definitely a big part of our capital waterfall and a place that we'll continue to invest. It ultimately just comes down to a best execution decision that we make almost every single day between acquiring clients out in market, bulk acquisitions, correspondent, and even the co-issue business is also very attractive way to acquire MSRs.

Bose George: Okay, great. Thanks.

Speaker #4: Okay. Great. Thanks.

Speaker #1: Thank you. I would now like to hand the call back to Varun Krishna for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. I would now like to hand the call back to Varun Krishna for closing remarks.

Speaker #2: Thanks, everybody, for listening. And we look forward to seeing you next quarter.

Varun Krishna: Thanks, everybody, for listening, and we look forward to seeing you next quarter.

Operator: Thank you for attending today's call. You may now disconnect. Goodbye.

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