Q1 2026 Superior Plus Corp Earnings Call

May 14, 2026

Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Superior Plus Q1 2026 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Chris Lichtenheldt, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #1: I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Chris Lichtenheld, Vice President and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Superior Plus's conference call and webcast to review our 2026 First Quarter results. On the call today, we have Allan MacDonald, President and CEO; Grier Colter, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Dale Winger, President of Ceteris.

Chris Lichtenheldt: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Superior Plus's conference call and webcast to review our 2026 Q1 results. On the call today, we have Allan MacDonald, President and CEO, Grier Colter, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Dale Winger, President of Certarus. For this morning's call, Allan and Grier will begin with their prepared remarks, and then we will open the call for questions. Listeners are reminded that some of the comments made today may be forward-looking in nature, and information provided may refer to non-GAAP measures. Please refer to our continuous disclosure documents available on SEDAR Plus and our website. Also note the dollar amounts discussed on today's call are expressed in US dollars unless otherwise noted. I will now turn the call over to Allan.

Chris Lichtenheldt: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Superior Plus's conference call and webcast to review our 2026 Q1 results. On the call today, we have Allan MacDonald, President and CEO, Grier Colter, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Dale Winger, President of Certarus. For this morning's call, Allan and Grier will begin with their prepared remarks, and then we will open the call for questions. Listeners are reminded that some of the comments made today may be forward-looking in nature, and information provided may refer to non-GAAP measures. Please refer to our continuous disclosure documents available on SEDAR+ and our website. Also note the dollar amounts discussed on today's call are expressed in US dollars unless otherwise noted. I will now turn the call over to Allan.

Speaker #2: For this morning's call, Allan and Grier will begin with their prepared remarks, and then we'll open the call for questions. Listeners, a reminder that some of the comments made today may be forward-looking in nature and information provided may refer to non-GAAP measures.

Speaker #2: Please refer to our continuous disclosure documents available on Cedar Plus and our website. Also note the dollar amounts discussed on today's call are expressed in US dollars unless otherwise noted.

Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call over to Allan.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us this morning. Well, the first three months of 2026 are a business evolve dramatically. A second winter of above-average cold weather challenged our propane business in the midst of a transformation.

Allan MacDonald: Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us this morning. Well, the 3 months of 2026, our business evolved dramatically. A second winter of above average cold weather challenged our propane business in the midst of a transformation, which is never easy. It was the best way to stress test our operating models. At Certarus, it was an interesting quarter as we saw subdued website pricing despite volume growth and uncertainty arising from the conflicts in the Middle East, which so far has not increased activity levels in the oil and gas sector. At the same time, we saw a dramatic development outside our traditional markets with the announcement of a substantial expansion of our data center business. Overall, we're pleased with the Q1 performance and encouraged by how the business is positioned as we move forward.

Allan MacDonald: Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us this morning. Well, the three months of 2026, our business evolved dramatically. A second winter of above average cold weather challenged our propane business in the midst of a transformation, which is never easy. It was the best way to stress test our operating models. At Certarus, it was an interesting quarter as we saw subdued website pricing despite volume growth and uncertainty arising from the conflicts in the Middle East, which so far has not increased activity levels in the oil and gas sector. At the same time, we saw a dramatic development outside our traditional markets with the announcement of a substantial expansion of our data center business. Overall, we're pleased with the Q1 performance and encouraged by how the business is positioned as we move forward.

Speaker #3: Which has never easy. But it was the best way to stress-test our operating models. At Ceteris, it was an interesting quarter as we saw a subdued website pricing despite volume growth and uncertainty arising from the conflicts in the Middle East, which so far has not increased activity levels in the oil and gas sector.

Speaker #3: At the same time, we saw a dramatic development outside our traditional markets with the announcement of a substantial expansion of our data center business.

Speaker #3: Overall, we're pleased with the first quarter performance and encouraged by how the business is positioned as we move forward. Now, looking at our consolidated performance in Q1, results tracked largely in line with our expectations, with CNG down due to lower utility work and lower well-site pricing.

Allan MacDonald: Looking at our consolidated performance in Q1, results tracked largely in line with our expectations, with CNG down due to lower utility work and lower well site pricing. Propane was up modestly as operational improvements continue to take hold. Our share repurchases program continued during the quarter and has meaningfully contributed to our per share performance. Since prioritizing buybacks in the fall of 2024, we've repurchased approximately 14% of our outstanding shares as part of our commitment to enhancing shareholder value. Turning now to propane, operationally, while many of the pressures from Q4 carried into Q1, our team persevered, advancing our transformation efforts while also going above and beyond for our customers. Our frontline teams, particularly our drivers, technicians, and customer experience representatives, operated under significant pressure through the early part of the winter, and I want to publicly recognize their efforts.

Speaker #3: While propane was up modestly, as operational improvements continue to take hold. Our share repurchases program continued during the quarter and is meaningfully contributed to our per-share performance.

Speaker #3: Since prioritizing buybacks in the fall of 2024, we've repurchased approximately 14% of our outstanding shares as part of our commitment to enhancing shareholder value.

Speaker #3: Turning now to propane—operationally, while many of the pressures from the fourth quarter carried into the first, our team persevered, advancing our transformation efforts while also going above and beyond for our customers.

Speaker #3: Our frontline teams, particularly our drivers, technicians, and customer experience representatives, operated under significant pressure through the early part of the winter, and I want to publicly recognize their efforts.

Speaker #3: Our team members are at the heart of our brand, and their passion for our customers makes anything possible. Coming out of winter, we've made significant progress in how we prioritize, plan, and execute our deliveries to improve both efficiency and customer satisfaction.

Allan MacDonald: Our team members are at the heart of our brand, and their passion for our customers makes anything possible. Coming out of winter, we've made significant progress in how we prioritize, plan, and execute our deliveries to improve both efficiency and customer satisfaction. We're feeling confident ahead of our next winter season, supported by better data, clear processes, and execution discipline. Importantly, we remain committed to our strategy as our success depends on the ability to deliver to every customer safely, efficiently, and on time. As the weather warmed into March, we also made strong progress restoring customer tank levels to more normalized ranges. Moving through the year with healthier tank levels supports more predictable routing, reduces emergency deliveries, and improves labor productivity while still allowing us to maintain a lean cost structure. Overall, Q1 was an important quarter for the business.

Speaker #3: And we're feeling confident ahead of our next winter season, supported by better data, clear processes, and execution discipline. Importantly, we remain committed to our strategy.

Speaker #3: As our success depends on the ability to deliver to every customer safely, efficiently, and on time. As the weather warmed into March, we also made strong progress restoring customer tank levels to more normalized ranges.

Speaker #3: Moving through the year with healthier tank levels, supports more predictable routing, reduces emergency deliveries, and improves labor productivity, while still allowing us to maintain a lean cost structure.

Speaker #3: Overall, Q1 was an important quarter for the business. We tested many aspects of our operating model under very intense conditions. We had some significant successes and some learnings, which were informing our plans as we advanced the transformation of Superior into North America's most formidable competitor.

Allan MacDonald: We tested many aspects of our operating model under very intense conditions. We had some significant successes and some learnings, which are informing our plans as we advance the transformation of Superior Plus into North America's most formidable competitor. Turning to Certarus. While Q1 profitability saw a decline versus 2025 due to reduced utility work and lower well site pricing, which by the way, was fully anticipated in our guidance, I'm pleased to say that the team's efforts have had a positive impact on our organization, and we expect to resume quarterly growth beginning in Q2. Looking forward for Certarus, there are exciting times ahead. We've long said we believe in the future of over-the-road CNG and have purposefully pursued a strategy of geographic expansion and business development in new and emerging verticals.

Speaker #3: Now, turning to Ceteris, while Q1 profitability saw a decline versus 2025 due to reduced utility work and lower well-site pricing, which, by the way, was fully anticipated in our guidance, I'm pleased to say that the team's efforts have had a positive impact on our organization and we expect to resume quarterly growth beginning in Q2.

Speaker #3: Looking forward for Ceteris, there are exciting times ahead. We've long said we believe in the future of over-the-road CNG and have purposefully pursued a strategy of geographic expansion and business development in new and emerging verticals.

Speaker #3: We planned on Ceteris being there first and being the enabler of CNG adoption for all customers, big and small, in all geographies, with a responsive, reliable, and scalable value proposition across the continent.

Allan MacDonald: We planned on Certarus being there first and being the enabler of CNG adoption for all customers, big and small, in all geographies, with a responsive, reliable, and scalable value proposition across the continent. Since our last results release, we've seen the expansion of our total addressable market, driven by the explosion in demand for behind the meter power generation for hyperscale data centers. The rapid growth in computing demand and the energy required to support it is outpacing traditional infrastructure expansion. Behind the meter solutions are a critical component in building and operating hyperscale data centers, and Certarus's delivered energy has emerged as a credible enabling solution. We're helping customers bring data centers online faster with an energy solution that is both operationally reliable and financially compelling.

Speaker #3: Since our last results release, we've seen the expansion of our total addressable market, driven by the explosion in demand for behind-the-meter power generation for hyperscale data centers.

Speaker #3: The rapid growth in computing demand and the energy required to support it is outpacing traditional infrastructure expansion. Behind-the-meter solutions are a critical component in building and operating hyperscale data centers and Ceteris's delivered energy has emerged as a credible enabling solution.

Speaker #3: We're helping customers bring data centers online faster with an energy solution that is both operationally reliable and financially compelling. Since last September, we've signed six data center contracts, totaling more than $350 million in revenue.

Allan MacDonald: Since last September, we've signed 6 data center contracts totaling more than CAD 350 million in revenue, including a new contract we announced yesterday, which will be supported by the opening of our new hub in Salt Lake City, Utah. This momentum is changing the game for Certarus and proving the value of our continental coverage, as well as our track record of delivering energy safely and reliably. Now, 10 years ago, the boom in well site conversion to CNG created an opportunity for Certarus to grow from a small company to build scale and a vision to be the leader in delivered energy. This second wave of energy adoption behind the meter power generation is something very different. The scale of this opportunity is like nothing we've seen before. It's not taking place in a single market, it's across North America.

Allan MacDonald: Since last September, we've signed six data center contracts totaling more than CAD 350 million in revenue, including a new contract we announced yesterday, which will be supported by the opening of our new hub in Salt Lake City, Utah. This momentum is changing the game for Certarus and proving the value of our continental coverage, as well as our track record of delivering energy safely and reliably. Now, 10 years ago, the boom in well site conversion to CNG created an opportunity for Certarus to grow from a small company to build scale and a vision to be the leader in delivered energy. This second wave of energy adoption behind the meter power generation is something very different. The scale of this opportunity is like nothing we've seen before. It's not taking place in a single market, it's across North America.

Speaker #3: Including a new contract we announced yesterday, which will be supported by the opening of our new hub in Salt Lake City, Utah. This momentum is changing the game for Ceteris.

Speaker #3: And proving the value of our continental coverage, as well as our track record of delivering energy safely and reliably. Now, 10 years ago, the boom in well-site conversion to CNG created an opportunity for Ceteris to grow from a small company to build scale and a vision to be the leader in delivered energy.

Speaker #3: This second wave of energy adoption, behind-the-meter power generation, is something very different. The scale of this opportunity is like nothing we've seen before. It's not taking place in a single market.

Speaker #3: It's across North America. And with each new customer we serve, we're building new hubs and the infrastructure to make CNG solutions available to other verticals from coast to coast.

Allan MacDonald: With each new customer we serve, we're building new hubs and the infrastructure to make CNG solutions available to other verticals from coast to coast. While the oil and gas boom brought truck CNG to life, the data center era will bring it to communities and businesses everywhere. In terms of outlook, well, it's early days, but a lot has happened in a short time, and we expect the world to evolve at a very fast pace. I fully expect our data center and industrial verticals to account for approximately 60% of our CNG business within the next 24 months, and this is just the beginning. Our sales funnel continues to expand at an accelerated rate in this and other industrial verticals.

Speaker #3: While the oil and gas boom brought truck CNG to life, the data center era will bring it to communities and businesses everywhere. In terms of outlook, well, it's early days.

Speaker #3: But a lot has happened in a short time and we expect the world to evolve at a very fast pace. I fully expect our data center and industrial verticals to account for approximately 60% of our CNG business within the next 24 months.

Speaker #3: And this is just the beginning. Our sales funnel continues to expand at an accelerated rate in this and other industrial verticals. Looking to revise outlook and the capital allocation, the business is well positioned to meet its growth objectives this year.

Allan MacDonald: Looking to revised outlook and the capital allocation, the business is well-positioned to meet its growth objectives this year, and we are increasingly encouraged about what lies ahead for Superior Plus in the years to come. Due to the progress we've made within propane, along with the expanding market for CNG, we're increasing our Adjusted EBITDA guidance for 2027 from 2% to 5% growth over 2026. I wanna be direct about something. We know our track record on guidance has been tested over the past few quarters, so you can appreciate the decision to revise guidance is not something we've taken lightly. The totality of the increase is the direct result of the contracted revenue we've secured within the data center vertical since our last update.

Speaker #3: And we are increasingly encouraged about what lies ahead for Superior Plus in the years to come. Due to the progress we've made within propane, along with the expanding market for CNG, we're increasing our adjusted EBITDA guidance for 2027 from 2% to 5% growth over 2026.

Speaker #3: Now, I want to be direct about something. We know our track record on guidance has been tested over the past few quarters. So you can appreciate the decision to revise guidance is not something we've taken lightly.

Speaker #3: The totality of the increase is the direct result of the contracted revenue we've secured within the data center vertical since our last update. This is a very dynamic market at the moment and Ceteris's ability to move incredibly fast, providing viable competitive solutions is a testament to our strategy to truly be the market leader in delivered energy.

Allan MacDonald: This is a very dynamic market at the moment, and Certarus's ability to move incredibly fast, providing viable, competitive solutions, is a testament to our strategy to truly be the market leader in delivered energy. It's also important to note that we have seen this as just the beginning. We've not included future opportunities or adjusted our growth forecast since our last review for 2027. These opportunities also mean we're investing in growth. We'll be increasing our planned capital investment for 2026, investing in new MSUs, tractors, and compression equipment as we expand our capacity to fulfill the requirements of this increased volume. Grier will cover these details more in the financial review shortly. Finally, on capital allocation, we've been disciplined buyers of our shares and remain confident in the long-term value they represent.

Speaker #3: It's also important to note that we have seen this as just the beginning. We've not included future opportunities or adjusted our growth forecast since our last review for 2027.

Speaker #3: These opportunities also mean we're investing in growth. We'll be increasing our planned capital investment for 2026, investing in new MSUs, tractors, and compression equipment as we expand our capacity to fulfill the requirements of this increased volume.

Speaker #3: Grier will cover these details more in the financial review shortly. And finally, on capital allocation, we've been disciplined buyers of our shares and remain confident in the long-term value they represent.

Speaker #3: As mentioned, since late 2024, we've repurchased approximately 14% of our outstanding common shares. However, as always, our priority is to allocate capital to the most accretive opportunities for our shareholders.

Allan MacDonald: As mentioned, since late 2024, we've repurchased approximately 14% of our outstanding common shares. However, as always, our priority is to allocate capital to the most accretive opportunities for our shareholders. While we continue to see exceptional value in our shares, the opportunity to invest in CNG at this time is extremely attractive and has compelled us to transition from share repurchases to new investments in CNG. We also wanna be transparent about what this increased investment means for leverage. Grier will walk through the specifics, but at the high level, we expect leverage to move modestly higher in the near term before declining as contracted EBITDA flows through in 2027. We're comfortable with this trajectory given the cash generative and predictable nature of our propane business. To wrap up, we delivered a solid first quarter despite a challenging backdrop.

Speaker #3: While we've continued shares, the opportunity to invest in CNG at this time is extremely attractive. And has compelled us to transition from share repurchases to new investments in CNG.

Speaker #3: We also want to be transparent about what this increased investment means for leverage. Grier will walk through the specifics but at the high level, we expect leverage to move modestly higher in the near term before declining as contracted EBITDA flows through in 2027.

Speaker #3: We're comfortable with this trajectory given the cash-generative and predictable nature of our propane business. So to wrap up, we delivered a solid first quarter despite its challenging backdrop.

Speaker #3: Propane continues to progress as we modernize the business and Ceteris is positioned for meaningful growth. We're allocating capital to the highest-value opportunities to support long-term shareholder value.

Allan MacDonald: Propane continues to progress as we modernize the business, and Certarus is positioned for meaningful growth. We're allocating capital to the highest value opportunities to support long-term shareholder value. With that, I'll turn things over to Grier to walk through the financials.

Speaker #3: And with that, I'll turn things over to Grier to walk through the financials.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Allan, and good morning. There was a strong quarter for the business and a good start to the year. Our propane operations performed well and Ceteris's positioned exceptionally well to resume growth going forward.

Grier Colter: Thank you, Allan, good morning. It was a strong quarter for the business and a good start to the year. Our propane operations performed well and Certarus is positioned exceptionally well to resume growth going forward. I'll start by recapping our financial results for the first quarter. Q1 adjusted EBITDA of CAD 245.9 million declined approximately 6% compared to Q1 2025 as the decrease in CNG more than offset the increase in propane. Adjusted EBITDA per share was CAD 0.91, an increase of 2% quarter over quarter as our lower share count more than offset the change in adjusted EBITDA. Adjusted net earnings per share of CAD 0.68 increased 2% from last year for the same reason. We generated free cash flow of CAD 188 million in the first quarter, about CAD 32 million lower than the prior year quarter.

Grier Colter: Thank you, Allan, good morning. It was a strong quarter for the business and a good start to the year. Our propane operations performed well and Certarus is positioned exceptionally well to resume growth going forward. I'll start by recapping our financial results for the Q1. Q1 adjusted EBITDA of CAD 245.9 million declined approximately 6% compared to Q1 2025 as the decrease in CNG more than offset the increase in propane. Adjusted EBITDA per share was CAD 0.91, an increase of 2% quarter over quarter as our lower share count more than offset the change in adjusted EBITDA. Adjusted net earnings per share of CAD 0.68 increased 2% from last year for the same reason. We generated free cash flow of CAD 188 million in the Q1, about CAD 32 million lower than the prior year quarter.

Speaker #4: I'll start by recapping our financial results for the first quarter. Q1 adjusted EBITDA of $245.9 million declined approximately 6% compared to Q1 2025 as the decrease in CNG more than offset the increase in propane.

Speaker #4: Adjusted EBTDA per share was 91 cents and increase of 2% quarter over quarter as our lower share count more than offset the change in adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #4: Adjusted net earnings per share of $0.68 increased 2% from last year for the same reason. We generated free cash flow of $188 million in the first quarter, about $32 million lower than the prior year quarter. Recall that Q1 2025 included a $20 million legal recovery and higher adjusted EBITDA.

Grier Colter: Recall that Q1 2025 included a $20 million legal recovery and higher adjusted EBITDA. Turning now to the businesses. In Q1, adjusted EBITDA for US propane was $158.7 million, down approximately 3% from last year. This decrease was primarily due to lower sales volumes as we continued to adjust to reduced delivery capacity as part of Superior Delivers, partly offset by lower operating costs. While we experienced cold weather in the quarter, it's important to note that Q1 2025 was similar in this respect and represented a strong comparative quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for Canadian propane was $55.9 million, up 14% from last year. This was primarily due to higher average margins resulting from strong market differentials, improvements in procurement, and the impact of a stronger Canadian dollar, partially offset by lower sales volumes.

Speaker #4: Turning now to the businesses, in Q1 adjusted EBITDA for US propane was $158.7 million down approximately 3% from last year. This decrease was primarily due to lower sales volumes as we continued to adjust to reduce delivery capacity as part of superior delivers.

Speaker #4: Partly offset by lower operating costs. While we experienced cold weather in the quarter, it's important to note that Q1 2025 was similar in this respect and represented a strong comparative quarter.

Speaker #4: Adjusted EBITDA for Canadian propane was 55.9 million up 14% from last year. This was primarily due to higher average margins resulting from strong market differentials improvements in procurement and the impact of a stronger Canadian dollar partially offset by lower sales volumes.

Speaker #4: Our propane transformation superior delivers contributed $12 million in Q1 having positive impact on our margins and costs as I just outlined. Overall, our propane business had a strong quarter and continues to track with our expectations for the year.

Grier Colter: Our propane transformation, Superior Delivers, contributed $12 million in Q1, having positive impact on our margins and costs, as I just outlined. Overall, our propane business had a strong quarter and continues to track with our expectations for the year. Moving now to CNG. Q1 adjusted EBITDA of $38.4 million was down approximately 30% compared to Q1 2025, which is aligned with our expectations and the range we highlighted on our last conference call. Again, this decline was mainly due to lower ancillary revenue from utility winter standby services and lower well site pricing compared with a year ago. Operating cost per MMBtu of $7.58 in Q1 increased 2%, primarily due to increased use of third-party trucking services, partially offset by reduced repair and maintenance costs.

Speaker #4: Moving out of CNG, Q1 adjusted EBITDA of 38.4 million was down approximately 30% compared to Q1 2025 which is aligned with our expectations and the range we highlighted on our last conference call.

Speaker #4: Again, this decline was mainly due to lower ancillary revenue from utility winter standby services and lower well-site pricing compared with a year ago. Operating costs for MMBTU of $7.58 in Q1 increased 2% primarily due to increased use of third-party trucking services partially offset by reduced repair and maintenance costs.

Speaker #4: Our consolidated CAPEX for the quarter was $26.6 million roughly in line with last year and tracking within our expectations for 2026. For the quarter, corporate operating costs were $7.1 million down roughly 3% compared to last year due to lower incentive plan costs.

Grier Colter: Our consolidated CapEx for the quarter was $26.6 million, roughly in line with last year and tracking within our expectations for 2026. For the quarter, corporate operating costs were $7.1 million, down roughly 3% compared to last year due to lower incentive plan costs. Our leverage at the end of Q1 was 3.9x, down a tenth of a turn compared to Q4, reflecting the lower net debt balances, partially offset by lower adjusted EBITDA. Compared to Q1 2025, our leverage increased by two tenths of a turn, which is driven by lower LTM adjusted EBITDA. During the quarter, we repurchased 4.2 million shares, as Allan said, or approximately 2% of our shares outstanding.

Speaker #4: Our leverage at the end of Q1 was 3.9 times down a tenth of a turn compared to Q4 reflecting the lower net debt balances partially offset by lower adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #4: Compared to Q1 2025, our leverage increased by two tenths of a turn which is driven by lower LTM adjusted EBITDA. During the quarter, we repurchased $4.2 million shares as Allan said or approximately 2% of our shares outstanding from the time of our shift to share repurchases in November 2024 to today.

Grier Colter: From the time of our shift to share repurchases in November 2024 to today, we have now repurchased approximately 34 million shares or approximately 14% of the shares outstanding. This has been a meaningful driver behind our improved per share metrics. While we continue to see our shares as having compelling long-term value, we are pivoting our capital allocation focus away from share repurchases and toward high return growth opportunities in our CNG business and improvement in balance sheet flexibility. Our approach to capital allocation remains dynamic, and we believe this change will generate the highest long-term value for our shareholders. Moving to 2026 guidance, we are reaffirming our 2026 EBITDA growth expectation of 2% as the businesses are performing in line with our expectations.

Speaker #4: We have now repurchased approximately $34 million shares or approximately 14% of the shares outstanding. This has been a meaningful driver behind our improved per share metrics.

Speaker #4: While we continue to see our shares as having compelling long-term value, we are pivoting our capital allocation focus away from share repurchases and toward high-return growth opportunities in our CNG business and improvement in balance sheet flexibility.

Speaker #4: Our approach to capital allocation remains dynamic and we believe this change will generate the highest long-term value for our shareholders. Moving to 2026 guidance, we are reaffirming our 2026 EBITDA growth expectation of 2% as the businesses are performing in line with our expectations.

Speaker #4: We expect Ceteris to resume to growth for the remaining nine months of 2026 and the benefits of superior delivers to our propane division will become more meaningful in Q4 of 2026.

Grier Colter: We expect Certarus to resume to growth for the remaining 9 months of 2026, and the benefits of Superior Delivers to our propane division will become more meaningful in Q4 of 2026. With respect to CapEx, as Allan mentioned, we are increasing our planned capital expenditures for 2026 as the opportunities for attractive returns in our CNG business have improved significantly. We now plan to spend $230 million in total CapEx during 2026, up from our previous estimate of $160 million. We expect leverage of around 4x by year-end as we increase our investment in growth opportunities in our CNG business. It's worth noting we expect our leverage to increase into Q3 as the business builds working capital balances heading into heating season before coming back down into the year-end.

Speaker #4: With respect to CAPEX, as Allan mentioned, we are increasing our planned capital expenditures for 2026, as the opportunities for attractive returns in our CNG business have improved significantly.

Speaker #4: We now plan to spend $230 million in total CAPEX during 2026, up from our previous estimate of $160 million. We expect leverage of around four times by year-end as we increase our investment in growth opportunities in our CNG business.

Speaker #4: It's worth noting we expect our leverage to increase into Q3 as the business builds working capital balances heading into heating season. Before coming back down into the year-end.

Speaker #4: Regarding our multi-year outlook, we are incorporating the new data center work Ceteris has recently been awarded the adjusted growth rate and adjusted EBITDA implied by our previous multi-year outlook was approximately 2% from 2026 to 2027.

Grier Colter: Regarding our multi-year outlook, we are incorporating the new data center work Certarus has recently been awarded. The growth rate and adjusted EBITDA implied by our previous multi-year outlook was approximately 2% from 2026 to 2027. We now expect year-over-year growth of approximately 5% into 2027 as this new work begins to generate earnings.

Speaker #4: We now expect year-over-year growth of approximately 5% into 2027 as this new work begins to generate earnings. We will update our 2027 CAPEX budget in February of next year but at this point, we expect CAPEX to remain elevated at similar levels in 2027 to facilitate growth in CNG.

Grier Colter: We will update our 2027 CapEx budget in February of next year. At this point, we expect CapEx to remain elevated at similar levels in 2027 to facilitate growth in CNG. With that, I will turn it back for Q&A.

Speaker #4: With that, I will turn it back for Q&A.

Speaker #1: Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star when one of your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Nelson Ng with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Speaker #1: To withdraw your question, please press star one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Nelson Ng with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker #1: Your line is now open.

Speaker #5: Great. Thanks. And congrats on the additional data center contracts. Just on the data center side of things, so am I thinking about in the right way in terms of your investing additional $70 million and you're getting an incremental 3% of EBITDA which is very roughly $14 million?

Nelson Ng: Great. Thanks. Congrats on the additional data center contracts. Just on the data center side of things. Am I thinking about it in the right way in terms of you're investing additional $70 million and you're getting an incremental 3% of EBITDA, which is like very roughly $14 million? Like, I know there's a bit of rounding in there, is that the right way of thinking about it?

Speaker #5: I know there's a bit of rounding in there but is that the right way of thinking about it?

Speaker #6: Hey, Nelson. It's Grier. Yeah, so the CAPEX, yeah, it's pretty clear. And then it looks if you listen to what I said, it's probably a kind of similar elevation of CAPEX in 2027.

Grier Colter: Hey, Nelson, it's Grier. The CapEx, it's pretty clear. It looks, you know, if you listen to what I said, there's probably a kind of similar elevation of CapEx in 2027. It's a bit of a timing, obviously the capital is spent first and then, you know, the generation of earnings is kind of later. You're right, the increase in 2027. The majority of these jobs that we're procuring equipment for are not kind of up and running for the full year of 2027.

Speaker #6: The it's a bit of a timing. Obviously, the capital spent first and then the generation of earnings is kind of later. So you're right.

Speaker #6: The increase in 2027 but the majority of these jobs that were procuring equipment for are not kind of up and running for the full year of 2027.

Grier Colter: you know, when you look at if you're trying to do kind of returns analysis and look at the earnings generation or EBITDA generation in 2027 and compare it to the CapEx, it's not gonna give you a very good calculation because we really don't get into generating cash flow or earnings until the tail end of 2027.

Speaker #6: And so, when you look at—if you're trying to do kind of returns analysis and look at the earnings generation or EBITDA generation in 2027 and compare it to the CapEx, it's not going to give you a very good calculation, because we really don't get into generating cash flow or earnings until the tail end of 2027.

Speaker #5: I see. And I believe the targeted return is at least 15% for the data center business?

Nelson Ng: I see. I believe the targeted return is at least 15% for the data center business.

Speaker #6: Yeah. I mean, you could assume that for sure. I mean, as Allan said, we believe in the value and repurchasing shares. And so I think you could assume that for us to make the decision to shift away that, yeah, those returns would be at or better than that.

Grier Colter: Yeah, I mean, you could assume that for sure. I mean, you know, we, as Allan said, we believe in the value in repurchasing shares. I think you could assume that, you know, for us to make the decision to shift away, that, yeah, those returns would be at or better than that.

Speaker #5: Okay. And then in terms of the one data center contract that was announced last month that we'll be using about 200 trailers starting mid-next year, from your perspective, what to what degree are you to meet that to meet those needs versus reallocating trailers from lower margin sectors?

Nelson Ng: Okay. In terms of the one data center contract that was announced last month that will be using about 200 trailers starting mid-next year. Like, from your perspective, like what to what degree are you adding new trailers to meet that, to meet those needs versus reallocating trailers from lower margin sectors?

Grier Colter: Hey, Nelson, it's Allan. Dale's on the line, but, you know, he's gonna wanna comment on this. I think, you know, we're looking at, you know, the fleet in the context of not just that one opportunity we had, but, you know, the continued sort of opportunities that we've already closed and when they're coming online and then what we have in the funnel. Dale, you probably have some comments on that as well.

Allan MacDonald: Hey, Nelson, it's Allan. Dale's on the line, but, you know, he's gonna wanna comment on this. I think, you know, we're looking at, you know, the fleet in the context of not just that one opportunity we had, but, you know, the continued sort of opportunities that we've already closed and when they're coming online and then what we have in the funnel. Dale, you probably have some comments on that as well.

Speaker #6: Hey, Nelson. It's Allan. Dale's on the line, but he's going to want to comment on this. I think we're looking at the fleet in the context of not just that one opportunity we had, but the continued sort of opportunities that we've already closed.

Speaker #6: And when they're coming online and then what we have in the funnel. But Dale, you probably have some comments on that as well.

Speaker #7: Yeah. Hey, good morning, Nelson. We haven't taken a final determination. We would expect there would be substantial addition to the fleet. We're currently working through a competitive process on equipment procurement.

Dale Winger: Yeah. Hey, good morning, Nelson. We haven't taken a final determination. We would expect there would be substantial addition to the fleet. We're currently working through a competitive process on equipment procurement, but demand for the existing fleet is good, you know, healthy and firm now. As we kind of evaluate as the pipeline unfolds, we do expect to make significant trailer purchases, but we haven't determined that exact amount yet.

Speaker #7: But demand for the existing fleet is good. Healthy and firm, now. And so as we kind of evaluate as the pipeline unfolds, we do expect to make significant trailer purchases.

Speaker #7: But we haven't determined that exact amount yet.

Speaker #5: Okay. And then just one last question on Ceteris. So a few years if we look back, I guess, three years ago when Ceteris was acquired, growth was really strong.

Nelson Ng: Okay. Just one last question on Certarus. Like a few years, if we look back, I guess 3 years ago when Certarus was acquired, growth was really strong. Like a lot of capital was invested into the business to buy trailers, and then things slowed down, margins were compressed, and I think CapEx slowed. Now you're seeing, like due to data centers, you're seeing this new opportunity, and you're looking to ramp up growth again. I guess big picture, what's different this time? Like, will it last? Like obviously, the contracts seem longer than the typical contracts at the well site. Can you just talk about how this time is different in terms of the growth prospects for Certarus?

Speaker #5: A lot of capital was invested into the business to buy trailers. And then things slowed down. Margins were compressed. And I think CAPEX slowed.

Speaker #5: And then now you're seeing due to data centers, you're seeing this new opportunity and you're looking to ramp up growth again. So I guess big picture, what's different this time?

Speaker #5: Will it last? Obviously, the contracts seem longer than the typical contracts at the well site. But can you just talk about how this time is different in terms of the growth prospects for Ceteris?

Speaker #6: Yeah. We're all going to have comments on this one because it's a great question. And you can imagine this is what we've been doing the work on over the last several months.

Grier Colter: Yeah. We're all gonna have comments on this one because it's a great question. You can imagine this is what we've been doing the work on over the last several months, and why historically we haven't, you know, sent very strong signals of aggressive growth in this segment because we were waiting for it to unfold, and it's unfolding, obviously, very quickly. The difference with the data center piece, I think, is we're at the very early stages of a much bigger era of adoption. It's doing a few things. It's not just the displacement of diesel, it's really augmenting in a more permanent way, we think, the energy infrastructure. You got that piece.

Speaker #6: And why historically, we haven't sent very strong signals of aggressive growth in this segment because we were waiting for it to unfold. And it's unfolding, obviously, very quickly.

Speaker #6: The difference with the data center piece, I think, is we're at the very early stages of a much bigger era of adoption. And it's doing a few things.

Speaker #6: It's not just the displacement of diesel. It's really augmenting in a more permanent way, we think, the energy infrastructure. So you got that piece.

Grier Colter: The second piece is the geographic, you know, diversity of the data center space and the adoption behind the meter power generation really opens up other markets for us. If you think about, you know, going. Would we have been in Salt Lake City, Utah, otherwise? Maybe, maybe not.

Speaker #6: The second piece is the geographic diversity of the data center space and the adoption behind the meter power generation really opens up other markets for us because if you think about going into would we have been in Salt Lake City, Utah, otherwise?

Speaker #6: Maybe. Maybe not. But now we have the ability to start to aggressively ramp up other industrial opportunities in those new geographies. And the pressure that's being put on the energy space in general is really going to affect a lot of businesses, not just the data center piece.

Allan MacDonald: Now we have the ability to start to aggressively ramp up other industrial, you know, opportunities in those, in those new geographies. The pressure that's being put on the energy space in general is really, you know, gonna just affect a lot of businesses, not just, not just the data center piece. When we, you know, we talked about things like over-the-road trucking conversion to CNG-powered tractor-trailers. Well, the rollout of our network on the back of this opportunity in the data center behind the meter space really is a catalyst that makes that initiative a lot easier, and then the next one after that. I think, you know, as I said in my opening comments, I think oil and gas gave us a foothold to be able to create a viable business and a proven business model.

Speaker #6: So when we talked about things like over-the-road trucking conversion to CNG-powered tractor trailers, well, the rollout of our network on the back of this opportunity in the data center behind the meter space really is a catalyst that makes that initiative a lot easier.

Speaker #6: And then the next one after that. So, I think, as I said in my opening comments, I think oil and gas gave us a foothold to be able to create a viable business and a proven business model.

Speaker #6: And this new era with data centers is really the catalyst that's going to see delivered energy be much more readily available across the continent.

Allan MacDonald: This new era with data centers is really the catalyst that's gonna see delivered energy be much more readily available across the continent. Now, Ed, Greg, or Dale, you may have a comment on that as well.

Speaker #6: Now, Greer or Dale, you may have a comment on that as well. And maybe just a couple quick ones for me. I mean, if you look at comparing it to oil and gas, Nelson, I mean, I think you've got I know we'll see how this all plays out.

Grier Colter: Yeah, maybe just a couple quick ones for me. I mean, if you look at, you know, comparing it to oil and gas, Nelson, I mean, I think you've got, you know, I know we'll see how this all plays out, but the life cycle of this and the volatility of this will be two pretty key factors, right? I think we can all make our own assumptions on that. You hit on it. I think the fact that there are longer contracts, generally is what we're seeing, is a big factor here. When you look at, you know, how we do our returns analysis, and obviously with the challenge with this is you're matching a very long life asset with generally shorter term.

Speaker #6: But the life cycle of this and the volatility of this would be two pretty key factors, right? And I think we can all make our own assumptions on that.

Speaker #6: You hit on it. I think the fact that they're a longer contract generally is what we're seeing is a big factor here. And when you look at how we do our returns, analysis, and obviously with the challenge with this is you're matching a very long life asset with generally shorter term.

Grier Colter: This is way more secure in terms of the contracting. You know, I would argue that, you know, the volatility is different. I would argue that the life cycle is also probably different. We can argue the pros and cons on that. When you look at the discounting and how we look at like, you know, just basic DCFs and that kind of analysis, obviously, when you get out, if you can get contracting that, you know, goes out 2 or 3 years or 4 years, you know, the assumptions in the years when these units come off become a lot less sensitive to your overall return analysis, as you can appreciate. That's a big part of this, right? It gives you a lot more certainty.

Speaker #6: But this is way more secure in terms of the contracting. I would argue that the volatility is different. I would argue that the life cycle is also probably different.

Speaker #6: We could argue with the puts and takes on that. But when you look at the discounting and how we look at just basic DCS and that kind of analysis, obviously, when you get out, if you can get contracting that goes out two or three years or four years, the assumptions in the years when these units come off become a lot less sensitive to your overall return analysis as you can appreciate.

Speaker #6: And so that's a big part of this, right? And it gives you a lot more certainty. And then, of course, that really helped us in our conviction to determine that the return was sufficient to shift capital.

Grier Colter: Of course, you know, that really helped us in our conviction to determine that the return was sufficient to shift capital.

Dale Winger: Thanks, Allan. I agree with all of that. The other thing that I might just highlight in terms of our Certarus' advantage position to win in this space and be a preferred provider is really a testament to our team members. The experience and the talent that we have to engineer and rapidly deploy a new solution that, you know, involves, you know, kind of showing up, you know, with the hub network, with the mobile compression, you know, with the fleet, with the experience, with the engineering capabilities. That level of safety and reliability is really important to this customer segment. We come as the industry leader, we come to this space in a good position to be that solutions provider to help hyperscalers get their projects online more quickly.

Speaker #7: Yeah, thanks, Allan. I agree with all of that. The other thing that I might just highlight in terms of our Ceteris's advantage position to win in this space and be a preferred provider is really a testament to our team members.

Speaker #7: The experience and the talent that we have to engineer and rapidly deploy a new solution that involves kind of showing up with the hub network, with the mobile compression, with the fleet, with the experience, with the engineering capabilities.

Speaker #7: That level of safety and reliability is really important to this customer segment. And we come as the industry leader, we come to this space in a good position to be that solutions provider to help hyperscalers get their projects online more quickly.

Speaker #5: Great. Thanks, everyone. I'll leave it there.

Nelson Ng: Great. Thanks, everyone. I'll leave it there.

Speaker #6: Thanks, Nelson.

Allan MacDonald: Thanks, Nelson.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Kinney with National Bank. Your line is now open.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Kenny with National Bank. Your line is now open.

Speaker #8: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Allan, just back on your guidance of the CNG business becoming 60% industrial data centers within the next 24 months.

Patrick Kenny: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Allan, just back on your guidance of the CNG business becoming 60% industrial, data centers within the next 24 months. Just wanted to confirm if that assumes any further attrition within the well site segment, or are you assuming, you know, pretty stable, call it flattish contributions from oil and gas customers, but just incorporating the growth from industrial and data center deals?

Speaker #8: Just wanted to confirm if that assumes any further attrition within the well site segment or are you assuming pretty stable? Call it flattish contributions from oil and gas customers.

Speaker #8: But just incorporating the growth from industrial and data center deals.

Allan MacDonald: Hey, Pat. Thanks for asking that. That's on my mind a lot, and that's something we talk about. To be very candid, we've had this strategy of maintaining our share in the oil and gas sector, and that was quite purposeful. I mean, it's a great business, and it's, by its very nature, it's cyclical. You know, when you're in the downward tranche of the cycle, you think, Wow, what a great, you know, opportunity to reallocate your fleet somewhere else. We see the oil and gas segment as having longevity, and that's the last thing we wanna do, is, you know, start to wind down or to look for alternatives at the downward end of a cycle, because we think it's going to return to better days.

Speaker #6: Hey, Pat. Thanks for asking that. It's on my mind a lot. And it's something we talk about. To be very candid, we've had this strategy of maintaining our share in the oil and gas sector.

Speaker #6: And that was quite purposeful. I mean, it's a great business. And by its very nature, it's cyclical. And when you're in the downward tranche of the cycle, you think, "Well, what a great opportunity to reallocate your fleet somewhere else." But we see the oil and gas segment as having longevity.

Speaker #6: And that's the last thing we want to do, is start to wind down or to look for alternatives at the downward end of a cycle, because we think it's going to return to better days.

Speaker #6: So we want to maintain our foothold in that space. So this is really about new customer or new expansion as opposed to reallocation. The second thing I would say is the numbers I gave are reflective of where the oil and gas sector is now.

Allan MacDonald: We wanna maintain our foothold in that space. This is really about, you know, new customer, or new expansion as opposed to reallocation. The second thing I would say is, you know, the numbers I gave are reflective of where the oil and gas sector is now. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong because we've seen a material rebound in, you know, completion activity, which caused us to have different economics and different demand coming out of that sector. I think to get to the heart of your question, no, we're maintaining our presence in the oil and gas sector and intend to do so going forward.

Speaker #6: Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong because we've seen a material rebound in completion activity, which caused us to have a different economics and different demand cutting of that sector.

Speaker #6: So but I think to get to the heart of your question, no, we're maintaining our presence in the oil and gas sector and intend to do so going forward.

Speaker #8: Got it. And then I guess on the propane side, I mean, California appears to be short refined products here, just given the conflict in the Middle East and lack of supplies coming in.

Patrick Kenny: Got it. I guess, on the propane side, I mean, California appears to be short refined products here, just given, the conflict in the Middle East and lack of supplies coming in. Wondering if you're seeing any incremental margin opportunities on the propane side, either wholesale or otherwise, which might represent some tailwinds through the back half of the year?

Speaker #8: Just wondering if you're seeing any incremental margin opportunities on the propane side, either wholesale or otherwise, which might represent some tailwinds to the back half of the year.

Speaker #6: Nothing so far. Obviously, our wholesale team is and these things move in a different pace than the new cycle, as I know you already know.

Allan MacDonald: Nothing so far. Obviously our wholesale team is, you know, and these things move at a different pace than the news cycle, as I know you already know. It's gonna take a little bit of time for that to come to the fore. California is a net exporter traditionally of propane during the summer months and an importer during the winter. We're keeping a really close eye on it. You know, we've got a great presence in our wholesale to business in California. We're continuing to be engaged. As it stands right now, we're not forecasting any tailwinds going into the back H2 of the year as a result of it, though.

Speaker #6: It's going to take a little bit of time for that to come to the fore. California is a net exporter to traditionally of propane during the summer months and an importer during the winter.

Speaker #6: So we're keeping a really close eye on it, and we've got a great presence in our wholesale of the business in California. So we're continuing to be engaged.

Speaker #6: As it stands right now, we're not forecasting any tailwinds going into the back half of the year as a result of it, though.

Speaker #8: Okay, great. And last one for me, if I could. Just maybe a bit more color on the hub being set up in Utah and kind of the overall opportunity set there.

Patrick Kenny: Okay. Great. Last one from me, if I could. Just maybe a bit more color on the hub being set up in Utah and kind of the overall opportunity set there. What you're hearing from customers in the area just in terms of, you know, their access to gas supplies or power from the grid. You know, how are you seeing this geographic market developing over the next, you know, few years?

Speaker #8: What are you hearing from customers in the area, just in terms of their access to gas supplies or power from the grid? How are you seeing this geographic market developing over the next few years?

Speaker #6: Yeah. That's a great one. And I want to I'm going to Dale's best person to answer that question, but I do want to qualify something I said in my prepared remarks, and that each data center I said with data center opportunities, we're opening new hubs.

Allan MacDonald: Yeah, that's a great one. I want to. Dale's the best person to answer that question, but I do want to qualify something I said in my prepared remarks, and that, you know, each data center with data center opportunities, we're opening new hubs. While that is generally true, it's not linear. I mean, or it's not a one-to-one. Just because we have a data center contract doesn't mean necessarily we're going to open a hub. Some will be served from existing hubs. Some will be, you know, insufficient to warrant that type of an expansion. With that clarification, Dale, maybe you can talk a little bit about what you're seeing in Utah.

Speaker #6: And while that is generally true, it's not linear. I mean, it's not a one-to-one just because we have a data center contract doesn't mean necessarily we're going to open a hub.

Speaker #6: Some will be served from existing hubs. And some will be insufficient to warrant that type of an expansion. But with that clarification, Dale, maybe you can talk a little bit about what you're seeing in Utah.

Speaker #9: Yeah. Good morning, Patrick. This is consistent with the strategy of growing the industrial business. CNG is a for not behind-the-meter power projects and other types of data center applications.

Dale Winger: Yeah. Good morning, Patrick. This is consistent with the strategy of growing the industrial business. LNG is a very competitive solution for not, you know, behind-the-meter power projects and other types of data center applications, but other industrial users. Our ability to serve and proximity to serve is really essential to the value proposition. Having a large award such as the new 60MW data center in the Salt Lake City area really provides a nice baseload volume to establish that local supply point near that market. There are other opportunities that we expect to be able to add to that business once as we get that local supply point established this month.

Speaker #9: But other industrial users and our ability to serve in proximity to serve is really essential to the value proposition. And so, having a large award, such as the new 60-megawatt data center in the Salt Lake City area, really provides a nice baseload volume to establish that local supply point near that market.

Speaker #9: And there are other opportunities that we expect to be able to add to that business once as we get that local supply point established this month.

Speaker #9: And it's a growing market. And just to continue demand for energy outpacing the ability of infrastructure projects to come online, presents a great opportunity for us to be in that market and be able to offer the capabilities and kind of fast, flexible energy solutions those customers are looking for.

Dale Winger: It's a growing market and just the continued, you know, demand for energy outpacing the ability of infrastructure projects to come online presents a great opportunity for us to be in that market and be able to offer the capabilities and kind of fast, flexible energy solutions those customers are looking for. We've got a good outlook for that one and are excited about it, and it is part of the strategy of expanding the business to industrial customers and we'll do it in other markets soon.

Speaker #9: So we've got a good outlook for that one. And are excited about it. And it is part of the strategy of expanding the business to industrial customers.

Speaker #9: And we'll do it in other markets soon.

Speaker #8: Okay. That's great. I appreciate all the color. Thank you.

Patrick Kenny: Okay. That's great. I appreciate all the color. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thanks, Pat.

Allan MacDonald: Thanks, Pat.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from the line of Robert Cattelier with CIBC, your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Robert Catellier with CIBC. Your line is now open.

Speaker #10: Hey. Good morning, everyone. Just to follow up on the data centers, I was wondering if you could tell us about the margin structure for the data center contracts.

Robert Catellier: Hey, good morning, everyone. Just to follow up on the data centers. I was wondering if you could tell us about the margin structure for the data center contract. What risks have you agreed to and what risks have you been able to transfer to the customer?

Speaker #10: So what risks have you agreed to and what risks have you been able to transfer to the customer?

Allan MacDonald: Well, that's a great question. Hey, Robert, it's Allan. I'm going to be diplomatic here for obvious reasons because that touches on some fairly sensitive stuff that we aren't sharing publicly. What I would tell you is that our strategy for all of our customers are, we're, you know, it's incumbent upon us to make the investment to deliver their energy safely and efficiently. We've long had a history of, you know, building an attractive value set, a value proposition that does that. You know, we provide the compression, the decompression, the trucking, and, you know, have pretty firm commitments when it comes to delivery uptime, safety, and things like that. What we tend not to do is stray outside of our core competency.

Speaker #6: Well, that's a great question. And hey, Robert, it's Allan. We're I'm going to be diplomatic here for obvious reasons because that touches on some fairly sensitive stuff that we aren't sharing publicly.

Speaker #6: But what I would tell you is that our strategy for all of our customers are we're it's incumbent upon us to make the investment to deliver their energy safely and efficiently.

Speaker #6: So we've long had a history of building an attractive value set a value proposition that does that. We provide the compression, the decompression, the trucking, and have pretty firm commitments when it comes to delivery uptime, safety, and things like that.

Speaker #6: What we tend not to do is stray outside of our core competency like things like taking risk on energy prices or anything like that.

Allan MacDonald: Like things like, you know, taking risk on energy prices or anything like that. We've had a history of sticking to what we do well. We don't lease the MSUs or operate other people's. We have our own. We also don't stray into other areas that aren't our core business for opportunistic purposes because frankly, it's not our core competency. I can give you all the assurances in the world that our data center opportunities are very consistent with our historical approach to how we've managed our contracts. Now, Dale, I don't know if you'd wanna add any further color to that.

Speaker #6: So we've had a history of sticking to what we do well. We don't release the MSUs or operate other people's. We have our own but we also don't stray into other areas that aren't our core business for opportunistic purposes because it's frankly, it's not our core competency.

Speaker #6: And I can give you all the assurances in the world that our data center opportunities are very consistent with our historical approach to how we've managed our contracts.

Speaker #6: Now, Dale, I don't know if you'd want to add any further color to that.

Dale Winger: Yeah. That's all well said, Allan. Our envelope is to compress the gas and deliver the gas, and so that we'll be responsible for our scope of work. Obviously, we won't go into, you know, specific details on specific contracts, but Allan summarized it well.

Speaker #9: That's all well said, Allan. Our envelope is to compress the gas and deliver the gas. And so that we'll be responsible for our scope of work.

Speaker #9: Obviously, we won't go into specific details on specific contracts. But Allan summarized it well.

Speaker #10: Okay. That's helpful. And then just when you look at the opportunity that's in front of you and the cadence of contracts, how does that how is that going to work going forward between contract, CapEx, and then contribution?

Robert Catellier: Okay. That's helpful. Just when you look at the opportunity that's in front of you and the cadence of contracts, you know, how does that, how is that gonna work going forward between contract CapEx and then contribution? For example, should you be fortunate enough to secure contracts throughout the rest of 2026-Now, could we reasonably expect additional contribution to EBITDA in 2027? I'll have one follow-up after that.

Speaker #10: So for example, should you be fortunate enough to secure a contract throughout the rest of '26, could we reasonably expect additional contribution to Abbotta in 2027?

Speaker #10: And I'll have one follow-up after that.

Speaker #6: I think so. I mean, I'd love to give you a crisp answer, Rob. But as I said in my prepared remarks, this is all happening really quick.

Allan MacDonald: I think so. I mean, I'd love to give you a crisp answer, Rob, but as I said in my prepared remarks, this is all happening really quick. There's a bit of a variety of customer types. We have new construction builds, like the large hyperscale data center we talked about, that are gonna be, you know, some upfront capital with a longer contract and visibility into, you know, sort of 3 years of production. Then we've got data centers that are up and running that require energy augmentation because their capacity to produce energy, they've grown beyond and they need to augment that with some truck energy. Then we've got some smaller projects. There's a combination of smaller projects and larger projects, first of all.

Speaker #6: And we've got a there's a bit of a variety of customer types. We have new construction builds like the large hyperscale data center we talked about that are going to be some upfront capital with a longer contract and a visibility into sort of three years of production.

Speaker #6: And then we've got data centers that are up and running that require energy augmentation because their capacity to produce energy they've grown beyond and they need to augment that with some trucked energy.

Speaker #6: And then we've got some smaller projects. So there's a combination of smaller projects and larger projects, first of all. And with all of those, they're coming on at different times.

Allan MacDonald: With all of those, they're coming on at different times. We're, we're expecting to continue to see some smaller opportunities come in in the next, you know, 6, 12, 24 months. You know, I'd be surprised if there weren't larger opportunities in that timeframe, although we have a lot more visibility to those in the longer term. You know, we're gonna continue to do what we do, and that's, you know, allocate the fleet in the best way that we can for opportunities that make sense, excuse me, financially. With the longer term projects, like the one we announced, a month ago, we're gonna have more visibility. When we have it, we'll be able to share it with all of you.

Speaker #6: So we're expecting to continue to see some smaller opportunities come in in the next 6, 12, 24 months. And then I'd be surprised if there weren't larger opportunities in that time frame, although we have a lot more visibility to those in the longer term.

Speaker #6: So we're going to continue to do what we do. And that's allocate the fleet in the best way that we can for opportunities that make sense financially.

Speaker #6: Excuse me, financially. And with a longer-term project like the one we announced a month ago, we're going to have more visibility. And when we have it, we'll be able to share it with all of you.

Allan MacDonald: I'm not sure if that answers your question or not, but I'm happy to clarify anything.

Speaker #6: I'm not sure if that answers your question or not, but I'm happy to clarify anything.

Allan MacDonald: I'm not sure if that answers your question or not, but I'm happy to clarify anything.

Speaker #10: Yeah. No, it's going to depend on the type of work you want. But that does lead me to the next question here. There's at least a possibility that you have additional growth here.

Robert Catellier: Yeah, no, it's gonna depend on the type of work you win. That does lead me to the next question here. There's at least a possibility that you have additional growth here of size. I'm curious, you know, should that materialize, what flexibility do you have if that accelerates faster than anticipated? I'm thinking about the balance sheet here, of course. Under what circumstances would you, could your leverage targets be revisited to accommodate a faster pace of growth? In that case, would you lean more on redeploying parts of the existing fleet?

Speaker #10: Of size. And so I'm curious, should that materialize, what flexibility do you have if that accelerates faster than anticipated? And I'm thinking about the balance sheet here, of course.

Speaker #10: And under what circumstances would you could you leverage target speed revisited to accommodate a faster pace of growth? Or in that case, would you lean more on redeploying parts of the existing fleet?

Speaker #6: Well, I think at that point, I mean, it's a good problem to have. I mean, at that point, you obviously put everything on the table.

Allan MacDonald: Well, I think at that point, I mean, it's a good problem to have. I mean, at that point, you've obviously put everything on the table. We haven't had any discussions about revisiting our leverage at this point. You know, with the fullness of time, we anticipate having enough visibility that we're able to be creative in how we capitalize on these opportunities. You know, in an ideal world, you would continue to grow the business because you'd rather have, you know, net new infrastructure than reallocation. You also have to work within the constraints of being responsible on the balance sheet that we have today. More to come on that. Anything sort of material, I think we're gonna have some pretty good runway in terms of timing and how we fund it.

Speaker #6: We haven't had any discussions about revisiting our leverage at this point. With the fullness of time, we anticipate having enough visibility that we're able to be creative in how we capitalize on these opportunities.

Speaker #6: And in an ideal world, you would continue to grow the business because you'd rather have net new infrastructure than reallocation. But you also have to work within the constraints of being responsible on the balance sheet that we have today.

Speaker #6: So more to come on that. But anything sort of material, I think we're going to have some pretty good runway in terms of timing and how we fund it.

Speaker #10: Yeah. Maybe. And it's a good question, Rob, for sure. I mean, really, this depends on the quantum here, right? I mean, this is really you think even in the last six months has changed quite drastically in terms of the opportunity to grow this business.

Grier Colter: Yeah, maybe, It's a good question, Rob, for sure. I mean, this depends on the quantum here, right? I mean, this is really, you think even in the last 6 months, has changed quite drastically in terms of the opportunity to grow this business. It's quite remarkable. You know, one of the reasons to shift the capital allocation, I mean, the business generally, propane and CNG, like we generate a lot of EBITDA and a bunch of cash flow. Like, this, the shifting of the cash flow away from share repurchase is a big part of this, right, to be able to finance the growth. It's really a question of just how big is this going to be. You know, it's relatively early, I think, at this point to tell.

Speaker #10: It's quite remarkable. One of the reasons to shift the capital allocation—I mean, the business, generally propane and CNG—we generate a lot of EBITDA and a bunch of cash flow.

Speaker #10: And the shifting of the cash flow away from share purchase is a big part of this, right, to be able to finance the growth.

Speaker #10: But it's really a question of just how big this is going to be. And it's relatively early, I think, at this point to tell.

Grier Colter: Certainly, we can finance a lot of this growth through the cash flow in our existing business, and we'll just see how big this is.

Speaker #10: But certainly, we can finance a lot of this growth through the cash flow in our existing business. And we'll just see how big this is.

Grier Colter: Certainly, we can finance a lot of this growth through the cash flow in our existing business, and we'll just see how big this is.

Speaker #6: Yeah, I think it's going to come down to how fast you want to grow. We can certainly fund pretty substantial growth, and then the question will be, well, do you want to be able to grow even faster than that?

Allan MacDonald: Yeah, I think it's gonna come down to how fast do you wanna grow. We can certainly fund pretty substantial growth. The question will be, well, do you wanna be able to grow even faster than that? Lots of solutions to be able to think about in that respect.

Speaker #6: Lots of solutions to be able to think about in that respect.

Speaker #10: Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Robert Catellier: Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thanks, Rob.

Allan MacDonald: Thanks, Rob.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from the line of Gary Ho with Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Gary Ho with Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Speaker #11: Thanks. Good morning and congrats on the data center announcements. Allan, just wanted to clarify first, these multi-year contracts, they're still not permanent in nature.

Gary Ho: Thanks. Good morning, and congrats on the data center announcements. Allan, just wanted to clarify first, you know, these multi-year contracts, they're still not permanent in nature. So they are multi-year, but they're used to get data centers up and running for early commissioning before they get connected to the grid. Then second, like, what's the opportunity set here? How's the RFP pipeline, conversations going? Do you see this perhaps as a bubble in terms of data center build-out near term, or do you see this kind of continuing over the longer term horizon?

Speaker #11: So they are multi-year, but they're used to get data centers up and running for early commissioning before they get connected to the grid. And then second, what's the opportunity set here?

Speaker #11: How are the RFP pipeline conversations going? And do you see this, perhaps, as a bubble in terms of data center build-out in the near term, or do you see this kind of continuing over the longer-term horizon?

Speaker #6: Hey, Gary. Another great question. It's interesting because on the face of it, it's not hard to cobble it together a couple of facts that tell you this is a bubble.

Allan MacDonald: Hey, Gary. another great question. You know, it's interesting because on the face of it's not hard to cobble together a couple of facts that tell you this is a bubble. When we're looking at it, let me talk first specifically about our investments, then I can talk to you about the general market. In our investment, we factor all that in. Of course, we're doing the responsible thing and making sure that the capital investment in the business we're signing up for is in the best interest of the company and our shareholders. We're not putting ourselves in a position where we're going to be, you know, in a place where we think we're gonna have excess capacity. I can say that right up right out of the gate.

Speaker #6: And when we're looking at it, so let me talk first specifically about our investments, and then I can talk to you about the general market.

Speaker #6: And our investment, we factor all that in. And of course, we're doing the responsible thing and making sure that the capital investment in the business we're signing up for is in the best interest of the company and our shareholders.

Speaker #6: And we're not putting ourselves in a position where we're going to be in a place where we think we're going to have access capacity.

Speaker #6: So I can say that right out of the gate. In terms of the longer-term attractiveness of this space and the bubble comment, I think that there's going to be it's very, very early days, which is a good thing because it's not like we're halfway through the evolution of the data center build-out.

Allan MacDonald: In terms of the longer term attractiveness of this space and the bubble comment. I think that there's going to be, it's very, very early days, which is a good thing because it's not like we're halfway through the evolution of the data center build-out, and we're now seeing opportunities. We're really at the, in my mind, the first inning of this, and Certarus is becoming a material partner. We originally were a little bit shy to put this at top of our mind for our thinking because we anticipated that the greenfield data center sites would be co-located with gas and power resources more than sufficient to satisfy their demands.

Speaker #6: And we're now seeing opportunities. So we're really at, in my mind, the first inning of this. And Soteris is becoming a material partner.

Speaker #6: We originally were a little bit shy to put this atop of our mind for our thinking, because we anticipated that the greenfield data center sites would be co-located with gas and power resources more than sufficient to satisfy their demands.

Speaker #6: What's kind of evolving is that the real estate requirements for these data centers is so significant that they don't necessarily have the luxury of being able to co-locate with the energy supply that is required.

Allan MacDonald: What's kind of evolving is that the real estate requirements for these data centers is so significant that they don't necessarily have the luxury of being able to co-locate with the energy supply that is required. You know, you're looking at some of these data centers occupying anywhere from 500 to 1,500 acres of land. The second thing is that the value proposition in data center management is so substantial. If you think of the cost of the CNG in a completion operation versus the cost of a CNG in a data center operation, it's chalk and cheese.

Speaker #6: You're looking at some of these data centers occupying anywhere from 500 to 1,500 acres of land. The second thing is that the value proposition in data center management is so substantial.

Speaker #6: If you think of the cost of the CNG in a completion operation versus the cost of a CNG in a data center operation, it's chalk and cheese.

Speaker #6: It's such a small part of their total overall kind of revenue stream or cost compared to the opportunity that there's a very compelling financials to move these data centers forward.

Allan MacDonald: It's such a small part of their total overall kind of revenue stream or costs, compared to the opportunity that there's a very compelling financials to move these data centers forward and be creative in terms of how you generate the energy. We think that gives us the combination of being very early days. Just the sheer size of this gives us a really optimistic view. The last piece is this is the catalyst that helps us, you know, very financially efficiently grow out our network and start to augment our capacity, and then expand into other verticals, like, you know, refueling and so on. I'm really, if I thought this was gonna be short-term in a bubble, we probably wouldn't have made this investment, to be perfectly honest.

Speaker #6: And be creative in terms of how you generate the energy. So we think that gives us the combination of being very early days, just the sheer size of this, gives us a really optimistic view.

Speaker #6: And then the last piece is this is the catalyst that helps us very financially efficiently grow out our network and start to augment our capacity and expand into other verticals like refueling and so on.

Speaker #6: So I'm really—if I thought this was going to be short-term, in a bubble, we probably wouldn't have made this investment, to be perfectly honest.

Speaker #11: Okay. Great. No, thanks. Thanks for the additional color there, Allan. And then my next question perhaps for Grier just on that MSU deployment, sorry if I missed any of your comments.

Gary Ho: Okay. Great. No, thanks. Thanks for the additional color there, Allan. My next question, perhaps for Grier, just on that MSU deployment. Sorry if I missed it in your comments. $70 million increase in CapEx this year. Did you say there's an additional similar $70 million so far for these contracts that you've won for 2027? Perhaps for Dale, do you see an issue in getting these MSUs purchased and delivered to you? Has pricing for MSUs changed since maybe a couple of years ago? I think it has been probably less competitive. Just wondering how the pricing environment is.

Speaker #11: So 70 million increase in CapEx this year. Did you say there's an additional similar 70 million so far for these contracts that you've won for 2027?

Speaker #11: And then perhaps for Dale, do you see an issue in getting these MSUs purchased and delivered to you? And has pricing for MSUs changed since maybe a couple of years ago?

Speaker #11: I think it has been probably less competitive just wondering how the pricing environment is.

Grier Colter: Sure. Gary, it's Grier. I'll go really quickly. I think you've understood it right. The contracts that we've seen so far, that's what's driving the increase in CapEx guidance for this year, and it's a similar delta for next year, to satisfy the equipment requirement for those contracts. Yeah, you got it right.

Speaker #6: Sure. So while Gary is Greer, I'll go really quickly. Yeah, I think you've understood it right. The contracts that we've seen so far that's what's driving the increase in CapEx guidance for this year.

Speaker #6: And it's a similar delta for next year. To satisfy the equipment requirement for those contracts. So yeah, you got it right.

Speaker #12: Hi, Gary. The only thing I might add, I'd say the equipment manufacturers, whether we're talking about trailers or the other ancillary equipment to expand our business, compression etc., are really excited about this new source of demand and I think you had it right.

Dale Winger: Hi, Gary. The only thing I might add, I'd say the equipment manufacturers, whether we're talking about trailers or the other ancillary equipment, to expand our business, compression, et cetera, are really excited about this new source of demand. I think you had it right. There was a lot of demand for the equipment a couple years ago. Then for over a year, the industry has been kind of working through sort of a leveling off period as there wasn't as much growth in the well site market in 2025. What we're doing is we are running a competitive process with equipment manufacturers.

Speaker #12: There's a lot of demand for the equipment a couple of years ago. And then for over a year, the industry has been kind of working through sort of a leveling-off period as there wasn't as much growth in the well-site market in 2025.

Speaker #12: And so what we're doing is we are running a competitive process with equipment manufacturers. The thing that we have on our side is the real pull on equipment will happen in 2027.

Dale Winger: The thing that we have on our side is, you know, the real, you know, pull on equipment, will happen in 2027. That allows us to collaborate, you know, in an orderly process to kind of scale up, whether it's, you know, componentry, procurement, you know, labor schedules, et cetera, to ensure that we are optimizing from a unit cost standpoint. Yes, having a new end market and a new demand for the types of equipment that we use to support our operations is something the equipment manufacturers are excited to participate in. We feel good, both about, you know, being able to meet cost and schedule targets to deliver these projects and incremental growth.

Speaker #12: And so that allows us to collaborate in an orderly process to kind of scale up whether it's componentry procurement, labor schedules, etc. to ensure that we are optimizing from a unit cost standpoint.

Speaker #12: But yes, having a new end market and a new demand for the types of equipment that we use to support our operations is something the equipment manufacturers are excited to participate in.

Speaker #12: And we feel good both about being able to meet cost and schedule targets to deliver these projects in incremental growth.

Speaker #11: Okay. Great. Thanks for all of that. Those are my questions.

Gary Ho: Okay. Great. Thanks for all of that. Those are my questions.

Speaker #6: Thanks, Gary.

Dale Winger: Thanks, Gary Ho.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from the line of Darryl Young with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Daryl Young with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Speaker #13: Hey, good morning, everyone. Just wanted to flip gears to the propane side. Sounds like the delivery route optimization has stabilized and things are functioning much better.

Daryl Young: Hey, good morning, everyone. Just wanted to flip gears to the propane side. Sounds like the delivery route optimization has stabilized and things are functioning much better. Is there anything you can do across the summer months, because we're obviously going through the seasonally slow period, to just continue to test and solidify that the system can operate come next spring at scale? Or sorry, next winter at scale.

Speaker #13: Is there anything you can do across the summer months? Because we're obviously going through the seasonally slow period to just continue to test and solidify that the system can operate come next spring at scale.

Speaker #13: Or sorry, next winter at scale.

Allan MacDonald: Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Daryl, it's Allan. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely there is. I mean, we're coming from a pretty significant deficit of real-time insightful data that was a big hill to climb for us over the last couple of years. Today, we're in a much better position to have visibility into the fleet, into the, you know, driver contingency we have, into the types of customers. All of that gives you a lot of clarity that we didn't have before. That's a real big plus for us. You know, while there's some noise in the summer months, the drops are a little bit smaller, obviously, and, you know, you don't have the consumption that you have in the winter.

Speaker #6: Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Darryl, it's Allan. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely, there is. I mean, we're coming from a pretty significant deficit of real-time insightful data that was a big hill to climb for us over the last couple of years.

Speaker #6: And today, we're in a much better position to have visibility into the fleet, into the driver contingency we have, and into the types of customers.

Speaker #6: So all of that gives you a lot of clarity that we didn't have before. So that's a real big plus for us. And while there's some noise in the summer months, the drops are a little bit smaller, obviously, and you don't have the consumption that you have in the winter.

Allan MacDonald: We look at it, you know, we're able to adapt our model sort of for a summer view. Of course, you know, we fluctuate our driver staffing too. Said really plainly, it's about almost replicating winter conditions with how you're loading trucks and how you're devising routes so that you're able to year over year look at, you know, the level of efficiency that's being contributed by the model versus your older way of doing it and almost forcing that efficiency despite the demands.

Speaker #6: We look at it we're able to adapt our model sort of for a summer view. And of course, we fluctuate our driver staffing too.

Speaker #6: So, said really plainly, it's about almost replicating winter conditions with how you're loading trucks and how you're devising routes, so that you're able to, year over year, look at the level of efficiency that's being contributed by the model versus your older way of doing it.

Speaker #6: And almost forcing that efficiency, despite the demand.

Daryl Young: Okay. Then in terms of the customer churn dynamics, I know you've been doing a lot of work on that front, but what kind of proactive measures are you putting in place to prevent the tail risk come next winter? Because I know we've always talked about customer churn being a sort of one-year delay type problem. How are you feeling about customers that maybe had a challenging winter this year and might be at tail risk come next winter?

Speaker #13: And then in terms of the customer churn dynamics, I know you've been doing a lot of work on that front, but what kind of proactive measures are you putting in place to prevent the tail risk come next winter?

Speaker #13: Because I know we've always talked about customer churn being a sort of one-year delay type problem. So how are you feeling about customers that maybe had a challenging winter this year and might be at tail risk for come next winter?

Allan MacDonald: Well, I'm feeling really good about it. We, you know, I would've said to you guys 2 years ago, we didn't have a churn function, really. It was just something that was done organically through the organization and which we've changed pretty dramatically. When you have a winter like we did, even if everything goes swimmingly, you're under pressure. There were regions across North America where propane was being, you know, distributed on an allocation basis, so we weren't able to get all the fuel that we would've otherwise normally liked to get.

Speaker #6: Well, I'm feeling really good about it. We I would have said to you guys, two years ago, we didn't have a churn function really.

Speaker #6: It was just something that was done organically through the organization. And which we've changed pretty dramatically. And when you have a winter like we did, even if everything goes swimmingly, you're under pressure.

Speaker #6: There were regions across North America where propane was being distributed on an allocation basis. So we weren't able to get all the fuel that we would have otherwise normally like to get.

Allan MacDonald: There were, you know, lots of areas that trucks had to be off the road for 2 or 3 days at a time, you know, which creates all kinds of havoc because, you know, with a lot of customers, especially in the well call, they're, you know, nearing empty, and then you have to take your trucks off the road for 2 or 3 days. That creates problems. In a winter like this, there's always issues. Of course, ours were complicated a little bit by, you know, all the changes we're making. But what we did proactively and with our new Chief Commercial Officer, Dina Piqueux, had done a great job of actually developing a whole strategy around customer engagement and retention. I would say the 2 biggest things that we did that we're really happy with is proactive outreach.

Speaker #6: There were lots of areas that trucks had to be off the road for two or three days at a time, which creates all kinds of havoc because, with a lot of customers—especially in the well call—they're nearing empty, and then you have to take your trucks off the road for two or three days.

Speaker #6: That creates problems. So, in a winter like this, there are always issues. Of course, ours were complicated a little bit by all the changes we're making.

Speaker #6: But what we did proactively, and with our new Chief Commercial Officer, Dina Pick, we had done a great job of actually developing a whole strategy around customer engagement and retention.

Speaker #6: And I would say the two biggest things that we did that were really happy with is proactive outreach. So customers that may have had service interruption for a variety of reasons, we proactively reached out to explain the situation and express our concern.

Allan MacDonald: Customers that may have had service interruption for a variety of reasons, we proactively reached out to explain the situation and express our concern and a reassurance that that wasn't going to happen again. The implementation of some retention incentives around customers that had a particularly challenging winter, along with our no runout guarantee has really minimized the impact of a tough winter relative to what the risk could have been. For that reason, I'm pretty optimistic going into the rest of the year.

Speaker #6: And the reassurance that that wasn't going to happen again, and the implementation of some retention incentives around customers that had a particularly challenging winter, along with our no run-out guarantee, has really minimized the impact of a tough winter relative to what the risk could have been.

Speaker #6: And for that reason, I’m pretty optimistic going into the rest of the year.

Speaker #13: Got it. Okay. That's it for me. Thank you.

Daryl Young: Got it. Okay. That's it for me. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Okay. Thanks, Darryl. Thanks, Darryl.

Allan MacDonald: Okay. Thanks, Grier Colter.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Ben Isaacson with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from the line of Ben Isaacson with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

Speaker #14: Thank you very much and good morning. Most of my questions have been asked. I just have two or three quick ones. Can you talk about the payback time to earn the minimum return on acquiring MSUs in advance of these data center contracts?

Ben Isaacson: Thank you very much. Good morning. Most of my questions have been asked. Just have two or three quick ones. Can you talk about the payback time to earn the minimum return on acquiring MSUs in advance of these data center contracts? Is the full return earned with the contract, or is there risk that you need new contracts to complete the return of the deployment of capital to make the acquisition?

Speaker #14: Is the full return earned with the contract or is there risk that you need new contracts to complete the return of the deployment of capital to make the acquisition?

Speaker #6: Hi, Ben. It's Greer. As you can probably appreciate, we're going to be a little bit cautious about getting really specific about economics on these contracts.

Grier Colter: Hi, Ben. It's Grier. As you can probably appreciate, we're gonna be a little bit cautious about getting really specific about economics on these contracts. What I would say is that, you know, of course, you know, the length of the life of these assets is quite long. You know, the contracts that we're seeing in the data center world, as I said earlier, it's a lot longer than, you know, some of the traditional ways that we've used these. I think that, you know, the economics won't be completely guaranteed by the initial contract, but I think it gives us a huge amount of confidence on receiving adequate economics.

Speaker #6: What I would say is that, of course, the length of the life of these assets is quite long. And the contract that we're seeing in the data center world, as I said earlier, it's a lot longer than some of the traditional ways that we've used these.

Speaker #6: But I think that the economics won't be completely guaranteed by the initial contract, but I think it gives us a huge amount of confidence on receiving adequate economics.

Speaker #6: And as I said, when you get through to the other side of several of these—most of these contracts—and you're two years in or three years in, the value of those cash flows to determine your DCF, they become way less valuable, right?

Grier Colter: As I said, like, when you get through to the other side of most of these contracts, and, you know, you're 2 years in or 3 years in, you know, the value of those cash flows to determine, you know, your DCF, they become way less valuable, right. Whether you can redeploy them, and it might take 1 year to redeploy them or 2 years to redeploy them, or the economics are, you know, 10% better or 30% worse. Because it's so far out, it has less impact on it. That gave us a massive degree of confidence that we'll receive adequate or better than adequate economics.

Speaker #6: And so whether you can redeploy them and it might take a year to redeploy them or two years to redeploy them or the economics are 10% better or 30% worse, because it's so far out, it has less impact on it.

Speaker #6: And so that gave us a massive degree of confidence that we'll receive adequate or better than adequate economics. But as I say, I think getting really specific about do you receive the full return and how much risk is on the tail end, I don't think we're going to be at liberty to share all that stuff.

Grier Colter: As I say, I think, like, getting really specific about, you know, do you receive the full return and how much risk is on the tail end, I don't think we're gonna be at liberty to share all that stuff. It just is too sensitive.

Speaker #6: It just is too sensitive. Yeah. That's fine. And I would the only thing I'd add to that is our track record over the last couple of years of being cautious with capital and if you look at our sort of winding back our investment in additional MSUs or capital equipment in the oil and gas sector, specifically as we saw some margin compression, that is a proof point that we're cautious in terms of any expansionary investment.

Ben Isaacson: Yeah, I.

Grier Colter: Okay. That's fine.

Allan MacDonald: The only thing I'd add to that is our track record, over the last couple of years of being cautious with capital and, you know, if you look at our sort of winding back our investment in additional MSUs or capital equipment in the oil and gas sector, specifically as we saw some margin compression, that is a proof point that, you know, we're cautious in terms of any extensionary investment, and we use the same caution in this deal.

Speaker #6: And we've used the same caution in this deal.

Speaker #14: Thank you. My second question is, I know the sample size of data center contracts that you have available is small, but is it possible to describe whether the margin profile is different?

Ben Isaacson: Thank you. My second question, I know the sample size of data center contracts that you have available is small, but is it possible to describe whether the margin profile is different? Meaning, is it bigger and is there less volatility to the margin when compared to well site contracts? Or is the inherent volatility really the same?

Speaker #14: Meaning, is it bigger and is there less volatility to the margin when compared to well site contracts? Or is the inherent volatility really the same?

Speaker #6: So Dale, have an opinion on that, but the short answer is yes. Yes to your first part, that it's materially better and it's not as volatile.

Allan MacDonald: Dale will have an opinion on that, but the short answer is yes. Yes to your first part, that it's materially better and it's not as volatile. Dale, go ahead.

Speaker #6: But Dale, go ahead.

Speaker #15: Well, as you noted, Ben, it's early days, and we have a unique capability just in terms of the experience, the scale, and the speed at which we can deploy.

Dale Winger: Well, as you noted, Ben, it's early days and we have a unique capability just in terms of the experience and the scale and the speed at which we can deploy. You know, we're, you know, highly motivated. These are really valuable projects, as you know. I mean, as Allan referenced earlier, the value of the enterprise revenue to get these megawatts online sooner is really important to the people involved in these projects. If you can be part of that solution, that's valuable.

Speaker #15: And so we're highly motivated to, and these are really valuable projects. As you know, I mean, as Allan referenced earlier, the value of the enterprise revenue to get these megawatts online sooner is really important to the people involved in these projects.

Speaker #15: And so if you can be part of that solution, that's valuable. And so it's our team's talent and experience and ability to kind of safely and reliably operate these that sort of puts us in a differentiated position to serve this market.

Dale Winger: That, it's our team's talent and experience and ability to kind of safely and reliably operate these that sort of puts us in a differentiated position to serve this market. When you have differentiation and the ability to bring a solution that others can't, certainly, that's accretive from a margin standpoint.

Speaker #15: And so when you have differentiation in the ability to bring a solution that others can't, certainly that's a creative from a margin standpoint.

Speaker #14: Great, thanks. And then just my final question: you talk about how the return is not fully there on the MSUs being acquired for the contracts that have been signed.

Ben Isaacson: Great. Thanks. Just my final question. You talk about how the return is not fully there on the MSUs being acquired for the contracts that have been signed. Your confidence, I think, Allan, you said that you're quite confident that we're in the first inning. How do you know we're in the first inning? I mean, how do we know that this whole trend and theme isn't over in 3 or 4 years and the returns aren't fully captured by the incremental MSUs that you're buying?

Speaker #14: And you're confidence, I think, Allan, you said that you're quite confident that we're in the first inning. How do you know we're in the first inning?

Speaker #14: I mean, how do we know that this whole trend and theme isn't over in three or four years? And the returns aren't fully captured by the incremental MSUs that you're buying?

Speaker #6: Well, that's two questions there. I think one is the economics of the deals we've been signing. And at the risk of being a little vague, so forgive me, I have no concerns about our ability to make those accretive.

Allan MacDonald: Well, there's 2 questions there. I think 1 is the economics of the deals we've been signing. You know, at the risk of being a little vague, so forgive me, I have no concerns about our ability to make those accretive. In terms of how do we know it's not over, I think if we look at the sort of lead indicators, data center demand is continuing to grow not just from a supplier standpoint, but also from a user standpoint. The data centers we're working with already are ramping up their capacities faster than they had originally anticipated they would. When we look at the sort of construction and management side, we're seeing more and more activity around, you know, companies coming in that are planning data center projects.

Speaker #6: In terms of how do we know it's not over, I think if we look at the sort of lead indicators data center demand is continuing to grow from not just from a supplier standpoint, but also from a user standpoint.

Speaker #6: So the data centers we're working with already are ramping up their capacities faster than they had originally anticipated they would. And then when we look at the sort of construction and management side, we're seeing more and more activity around companies coming in that are planning data center projects.

Speaker #6: And quite frankly, I think part of the frenzy is the ability to get data center projects to find the land and the energy to actually bring them forward, along with what potentially could be other obstacles like delays in power generation equipment timelines.

Allan MacDonald: Quite frankly, I think part of the frenzy is the ability to get data center projects to find the land and the energy to actually bring them forward, along with what potentially, you know, could be other obstacles like delays in power generation equipment timelines. We're seeing more bottlenecks than we are a tapering of demand at this point. You know, it's really important to note these are long-term projects. These aren't projects like a well site completion that might be 6 weeks in duration. These are, you know, decades-long projects. The money that's being invested is not in the $hundreds of millions, it's in the $tens of billions. You can rest assured that, you know, everyone involved in making these decisions has a pretty long-term view.

Speaker #6: So we're seeing more bottlenecks than we are a tapering of demand at this point. And it's really important to note these are long-term projects.

Speaker #6: These aren't projects like a well site completion that might be six weeks in duration. These are decades-long projects. And the money that's being invested is not in the hundreds of millions.

Speaker #6: It's in the tens of billions. So you can rest assured that everyone involved in making these decisions has a pretty long-term view.

Speaker #14: Great. And then actually, just one more question. You pulled your free cash flow target for next year, but you provided more certainty on EBITDA.

Ben Isaacson: Great. Actually just one more question. You pulled free cash flow, your free cash flow target for next year. You provided more certainty on EBITDA. Is the gap between providing more clarity on EBITDA and less on free cash flow, is that because you're unclear about the share count or how much CapEx is going to be going towards MSUs, and so what's actually going to be free cash? Or the conversion rate or is there something else?

Speaker #14: And so, is the gap between providing more clarity on EBITDA and less on free cash flow because you're unclear about the share count, or how much CapEx is going to be going towards MSUs?

Speaker #14: And so, what's actually going to be free cash? Or the conversion rate? Or is there something else?

Speaker #6: Yeah, no, there's nothing more to it. I think it's more just—obviously, this is just tying back, Ben, obviously to our Investor Day, where we communicated a number of targets, and really it's just to get a little bit simpler.

Grier Colter: Yeah, no, there's nothing more to it. I think, you know, it's more just obviously this is just tying back, Ben, obviously to our investor day where we, you know, communicated a number of targets and really it's just to get a little bit simpler. Obviously, free cash flow's got a whole bunch of different things in it. You know, the two biggest things here really we think are CapEx and EBITDA. We're just kind of trying to be more simple with it, that's all.

Speaker #6: Obviously, free cash flow has got a whole bunch of different things in it. And the two biggest things here really, we think, are CapEx and EBITDA.

Speaker #6: And so we're just kind of trying to be more simple with it. That's all.

Speaker #14: Okay. Thanks so much. That's all I have.

Ben Isaacson: Okay. Thanks so much. That is all I have.

Speaker #6: Thanks, Ben.

Allan MacDonald: Thanks, Ben.

Speaker #15: Thank you. And I'm currently Sean Noah for the questions at this time. I now like to hand the call back over to Allan McDonald, president and CEO for Closing Remarks.

Operator: Thank you. I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I'd now like to hand the call back over to Allan MacDonald, President and CEO, for closing remarks.

Allan MacDonald: Well, thanks, operator, and thanks everybody for joining the call today. We threw a lot at you this quarter in terms of the performance of the business and some changes to our outlook. Also it's always, you know, a great opportunity when you're trying to quantify an emerging growth potential or potential growth opportunity for the business and getting that right balance of, you know, being as transparent as we can with all of you with what we know today. What I will tell you is, in my tenure here, I've not seen opportunities at Certarus that rival anything close to where we are now. The dynamic nature of the space that we're in has just been fantastic.

Speaker #6: Thanks, operator. And thanks, everybody, for joining the call today. We threw a lot at you this quarter. In terms of the performance of the business and some changes to our outlook, but also it's always a great opportunity when you're trying to quantify an emerging growth potential or potential growth opportunity for the business and getting that right balance of being as transparent as we can with all of you with what we know today.

Speaker #6: But what I will tell you is, in my tenure here, I’ve not seen opportunities at Ceteris that rival anything close to where we are now.

Speaker #6: The dynamic nature of the space that we're in has just been fantastic. And Dale's point about Ceteris's value proposition—these are very, very different projects than what we would traditionally be up against.

Allan MacDonald: Dale's point about the, you know, Certarus' value proposition, these are very, very different projects than what we would traditionally be up against. If you think about, you know, assembling a fleet of 200 MSUs in a new geography for, when I say mission critical, I mean absolutely mission critical operations like a hyperscale data center. I like to believe that there's not a lot of companies that have our reputation and can mobilize at the speed that Dale and the Certarus team did. We're really, really excited about what the future looks like for us and hopefully we'll have more news for you to come in the next few quarters. With that, thank you all very much for joining us and we'll talk to you again soon.

Speaker #6: If you think about assembling a fleet of 200 MSUs in a new geography for what I say is mission-critical—I mean absolutely mission-critical—operations like a hyperscale data center, I'd like to believe that there's not a lot of companies that have our reputation and can mobilize at the speed that Dale and the Ceteris team did.

Speaker #6: So, we're really, really excited about what the future looks like for us. And hopefully, we'll have more news for you to come in the next few quarters.

Speaker #6: With that, thank you all very much for joining us, and we'll talk to you again soon.

Operator: This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.