Q1 2026 Fidelis Insurance Holdings Ltd Earnings Call

May 14, 2026

Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Pelagos Insurance Capital Q1 2026 earnings conference call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. Following the conclusion of formal remarks, the management team will host a question and answer session, and instructions will be given at that time. With that, I will now turn the call over to Miranda Hunter, Head of Investor Relations. Ms. Hunter, please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Following the conclusion of formal remarks, the management team will host a question-and-answer session, and instructions will be given at that time. With that, I will now turn the call over to Miranda Hunter.

Speaker #2: Head of Investor Relations. Ms. Hunter, please go ahead. Good morning, and welcome to Pelagos Insurance Capital's first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. With me today are Dan Burrows, our CEO; Alan Decleir, our CFO; and Johnny Strickle, our group's managing director.

Miranda Hunter: Good morning, and welcome to Pelagos Insurance Capital Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. With me today are Daniel Burrows, our CEO, Allan Decleir, our CFO, and Jonny Strickle, our Group Managing Director. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that statements made during the call, including the question and answer section, will include forward-looking statements. Management's comments regarding expectations, projections, targets, and any future results are based upon current assessments and assumptions and are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties, and emerging information developing over time. It is important to note that actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied today. Additional information regarding factors shaping these outcomes can be found in our SEC filings, including our earnings press release issued last night. Management will also make reference to certain non-GAAP and proprietary measures of financial performance.

Speaker #2: Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that statements made during the call, including the question-and-answer section, will include forward-looking statements. Management's comments regarding expectations, projections, targets, and any future results are based upon current assessments and assumptions, and are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties, and emerging information developing over time.

Speaker #2: It is important to note that actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied today. Additional information regarding factors shaping these outcomes can be found in our SEC filings including our earnings press release issued last night.

Speaker #2: Management will also make reference to certain non-GAAP and proprietary measures of financial performance. The reconciliations to US GAAP for each non-GAAP financial measure, as well as description of our proprietary financial measures, can be found in our earnings press release and financial supplement available on our website at pelagosinsurancecapital.com.

Miranda Hunter: The reconciliations to US GAAP for each non-GAAP financial measure, as well as description of our proprietary financial measures, can be found in our earnings press release and financial supplement available on our website at pelagosinsurancecapital.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Dan.

Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn the call over to Dan. Thank you, Miranda. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us today. I'm pleased to welcome you to our first earnings call as Pelagos Insurance Capital.

Daniel Burrows: Thank you, Miranda. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I am pleased to welcome you to our first earnings call as Pelagos Insurance Capital. The Pelagos rebrand marks an exciting milestone and a deliberate step in our evolution. Our new name is a stronger, clearer reflection of who we are, an expert capital allocator accelerating our resilient, high-performing, diversified portfolio by bringing together strategic capital and underwriting expertise through our expanding community of specialist partners. Our strong Q1 performance builds on our momentum from last year. I want to highlight three key areas that both underscore our progress and position us well for continued success.

Speaker #2: The Pelagos rebrand marks an exciting milestone and a deliberate step in our evolution. Our new name is a stronger, clearer reflection of who we are, and expert capital allocator, accelerating our resilient, high-performing, diversified portfolio by bringing together strategic capital and underwriting expertise.

Speaker #2: Through our expanding community of specialist partners, our strong first quarter performance builds on our momentum from last year. I want to highlight three key areas that both underscore our progress and position us well for continued success.

Speaker #2: First, we once again delivered excellent results. Demonstrating the strength and flexibility of our capital allocator model. We achieved a combined ratio of 86.6%, generated annualized operating ROAE of 15.2%, and grew book value per diluted share to $26.22.

Daniel Burrows: First, we once again delivered excellent results, demonstrating the strength and flexibility of our capital allocator model. We achieved a combined ratio of 86.6%, generated annualized operating ROAE of 15.2%, and grew book value per diluted share to $26.22, including dividends, an increase of 7.2% in the quarter. This represents our best ever quarter of value creation for our shareholders. Second, our growth this quarter highlights the unique advantages of our model. We grew gross premiums written by 7% driven by our new underwriting partners. As our platform evolves, we will continue to expand on this. What sets us apart in the market is our ability to allocate capital across a diverse and expanding universe of distribution networks. This gives us multiple differentiated points of access to the market and allows us to execute with agility.

Speaker #2: Including dividends, an increase of 7.2% in the quarter. This represents our best-ever quarter of value creation for our shareholders. Second, our growth this quarter highlights the unique advantages of our model.

Speaker #2: We grew gross premiums written by 7%, driven by our new underwriting partners, and as our platform evolves, we will continue to expand on this.

Speaker #2: What sets us apart in the market is our ability to allocate capital across a diverse and expanding universe of distribution networks. This gives us multiple differentiated points of access to the market and allows us to execute with agility.

Speaker #2: Third, we continue to successfully balance profitable underwriting with meaningful capital returns. Creating significant value for shareholders. This is underscored by the accretion to our book value per share.

Daniel Burrows: Third, we continue to successfully balance profitable underwriting with meaningful capital returns, creating significant value for shareholders. This is underscored by the accretion to our book value per share, which to reiterate, increased by 7.2% in the first quarter alone. We continue to believe that our current market price of stock is undervalued. As part of our capital management strategy, we repurchased $219 million of shares in the quarter. This includes $163 million bought through a privately negotiated transaction to repurchase all the remaining shares of one of our original PE sponsors, CVC. Importantly, following this strategic transaction, approximately 65% of our shares are now in the public float. At current market valuation, we do not anticipate any further secondary follow-on offerings with our remaining original and long-term PE sponsors in the near term. Turning to our segments.

Speaker #2: Which, to reiterate, increased by 7.2% in the first quarter alone. We continue to believe that our current market price, our stock, is undervalued. And as part of our capital management strategy, we repurchased $219 million of shares in the quarter.

Speaker #2: This includes 163 million bought through a privately negotiated transaction to repurchase all the remaining shares of one of our original PE sponsors, DVC. Importantly, following this strategic transaction, approximately 65% of our shares are now in the public float.

Speaker #2: At current market valuation, we do not anticipate any further secondary follow-on offerings with our remaining original and long-term PE sponsors in the near term.

Speaker #2: Turning to our segments, within insurance, we grew gross premiums written this quarter by 13%, driven by the continued execution of our strategy to expand new underwriting partnerships across multiple lines of business.

Daniel Burrows: Within insurance, we grew gross premiums written this quarter by 13%, driven by the continued execution of our strategy to expand new underwriting partnerships across multiple lines of business. Property again delivered strong performance with continued growth and new business momentum. Our disciplined underwriting approach has enabled us to maintain our margin through our leadership position and by optimizing our use of outwards reinsurance, even amid a competitive environment and rate pressure. This is evidenced by the fact that over the last 3 years, we have been running at an average sub 40% loss ratio for our property line, despite an active cat and secondary peril environment. Within property, construction has had a strong start to the year, with growth driven by success in the open market, particularly in complex and post-loss accounts where pricing and terms are more attractive.

Speaker #2: Property, again, delivered strong performance with continued growth and new business momentum. Our disciplined underwriting approach has enabled us to maintain our margin through our leadership position and by optimizing our use of outwards reinsurance.

Speaker #2: Even amid a competitive environment and rate pressure. This is evidenced by the fact that over the last three years, we have been running at an average sub-40% loss ratio for our property line.

Speaker #2: Despite an active cap and secondary peril environment. Within property, construction has had a strong start to the year. With growth driven by success in the open market, particularly in complex and post-loss accounts.

Speaker #2: Where pricing and terms are more attractive. While some segments continue to experience pressure, we have remained selective. While continually adapting our underwriting approach. Asset-backed finance and portfolio credit continued its strong performance with both our existing and new underwriting partners.

Daniel Burrows: While some segments continue to experience pressure, we have remained selective while continually adapting our underwriting approach. Asset backed finance and portfolio credit continued its strong performance with both our existing and new underwriting partners as we continue to convert our pipeline of opportunities. This is not only diversifying our portfolio, but giving us additional ways to grow in a market with high barriers to entry and where we have deep expertise. We continue to see strong margins across these products, which are insulated from traditional market cycles. In marine, we saw strong new business flow with a step change in marine war rates driven by conflict in the Middle East. As a leader, our ability to quickly respond, executing bespoke trades in the open market enables us to actively manage our portfolio at the individual risk level. Our underwriting discipline is driven by a precise risk assessment process.

Speaker #2: As we continue to convert our pipeline of opportunities. This is not only diversifying our portfolio, but giving us additional ways to grow in a market with high barriers to entry and where we have deep expertise.

Speaker #2: We continue to see strong margins across these products, which are insulated from traditional market cycles. In marine, we saw strong new business flow with a step change in marine war rates.

Speaker #2: Driven by conflict in the Middle East. As a leader, our ability to quickly respond, executing bespoke trades in the open market enables us to actively manage our portfolio at the individual risk level.

Speaker #2: Our underwriting discipline is driven by a precise risk assessment process. Along with our underwriting partners, we analyze each risk across critical factors, like vessel, journey, crew origination, cargo, and beneficial ownership.

Daniel Burrows: Along with our underwriting partners, we analyze each risk across critical factors like vessel, journey, crew origination, cargo, and beneficial ownership, allowing us to underwrite vessel by vessel, avoiding broader coverage through facilities. Outside of war, market conditions in hull, cargo, and liability remain competitive, and we continue to prioritize underwriting discipline to maintain portfolio quality. Our political violence and terror lines also presented opportunities for growth in the quarter, driven by our agile approach to selecting individual risks that meet our pricing hurdles. Pricing in the Middle East remains strong. We continue to benefit from our scale and lead position, enabling selective deployment and margin preservation in attractive segments. The evolving geopolitical landscape is creating new opportunities in this region, which we are well positioned to continue executing on. In our reinsurance segment, gross premiums written were $404 million for the quarter.

Speaker #2: Allowing us to underwrite vessel by vessel avoiding broader coverage through facilities. Outside of war, market conditions in hull, cargo, and liability remain competitive. And we continue to prioritize underwriting discipline to maintain portfolio quality.

Speaker #2: Our political violence and terror lines also presented opportunities for growth in the quarter. Driven by our agile approach to selecting individual risks, that meet our pricing hurdles.

Speaker #2: Pricing in the Middle East remains strong. We continue to benefit from our scale and lead position, enabling selected deployment and margin preservation in attractive segments.

Speaker #2: The evolving geopolitical landscape is creating new opportunities in this region, which we are well positioned to continue executing on. In our reinsurance segment, gross premiums written were 404 million dollars for the quarter.

Speaker #2: This represented growth of 7%, excluding the impact of the reinstatement premiums related to the California wildfires in Q1 2025. We are pleased with the results of our January 1st renewal season.

Daniel Burrows: This represented growth of 7%, excluding the impact of the reinstatement premiums related to the California wildfires in Q1 2025. We are pleased with the results of our 1 January renewal season. Our underlying portfolio is supported by strong margins and sustained demand. We've delivered a 3-year average annual loss ratio in the sub 20% for this segment, clearly demonstrating the healthy margin profile of the business. Before I hand it over to Allan Decleir to discuss our Q1 results in more detail, I'd like to take a moment to highlight how our capital allocator model uniquely positions us in this market. While the market is seeing increased competition in certain lines today, that pressure is verticalized. By that, we mean the pricing difference between lead and follow markets continues to become more pronounced. Being a price maker, not taker, is increasingly important.

Speaker #2: Our underlying portfolio is supported by strong margins and sustained demand. And we've delivered a three-year average annual loss ratio in the sub-20% for this segment.

Speaker #2: Clearly demonstrating the healthy margin profile of the business. Before I hand it over to Alan to discuss our first quarter results in more detail, I'd like to take a moment to highlight how our capital allocator model uniquely positions us in this market.

Speaker #2: While the market is seeing increased competition in certain lines today, that pressure is verticalized. By that, we mean the pricing difference between lead and follow markets continues to become more pronounced.

Speaker #2: And being a price maker, not taker, is increasingly important. As a market leader, we continue to see strong pricing retention levels and access to business.

Daniel Burrows: As a market leader, we continue to see strong pricing, retention levels, and access to business. Our ability to pick and choose how, where, and when we execute across lines and geographies and with the right partners gives us the flexibility to capitalize on the most attractive opportunities. For example, following the outbreak of conflict in the Middle East, we immediately set an underwriting and risk appetite framework. Working alongside our partners, we're among the first to underwrite risk and deploy capital. This enabled us to maximize pricing and set terms and conditions, demonstrating our ability to not only match the right capital to the right risk, but also to the right partner at the right time. In summary, our strong capital position, deep relationships, and access to the market, we continue to see significant opportunities for disciplined, profitable growth.

Speaker #2: Our ability to pick and choose how, where, and when we execute across lines and geographies and with the right partners gives us the flexibility to capitalize on the most attractive opportunities.

Speaker #2: For example, following the outbreak of conflict in the Middle East, we immediately set an underwriting and risk appetite framework. And working alongside our partners, we're among the first to underwrite risk and deploy capital.

Speaker #2: This enabled us to maximize pricing and set terms and conditions, demonstrating our ability to not only match the right capital to the right risk, but also to the right partner at the right time.

Speaker #2: In summary, with our strong capital position, deep relationships, and access to the market, we continue to see significant opportunities for disciplined, profitable growth. And as demonstrated by our results this quarter, the deliberate actions we are taking across this selection—as well as our outward reinsurance strategy and capital allocation—position us to deliver strong performance throughout the cycle.

Daniel Burrows: As demonstrated by our results this quarter, the deliberate actions we are taking across risk selection, our outwards reinsurance strategy, and capital allocation position us to deliver strong performance throughout the cycle. With that, I'll turn the call over to Allan.

Speaker #2: And with that, I'll turn the call over to Alan.

Speaker #1: Thanks, Dan. Pelagos Insurance Capital delivered operating net income of $88 million, or $0.94 per diluted common share, in the first quarter, resulting in an annualized operating return on average equity of 15.2%.

Allan Decleir: Thanks, Dan. Pelagos Insurance Capital delivered operating net income of $88 million, or $0.94 per diluted common share in the Q1, resulting in an annualized operating return on average equity of 15.2%. This performance was driven by another quarter of excellent underwriting results. Our combined ratio of 86.6% was a significant improvement of 29 points over the Q1 2025. Our book value per diluted common share grew to $26.22. Including dividends, this increased by 7.2%, delivering outstanding value creation in the quarter. Taking a closer look at our quarterly results, we grew our gross premiums written by 7% versus the same quarter last year to $1.8 billion. During the quarter, in the insurance segment, gross premiums written increased by 13%.

Speaker #1: This performance was driven by another quarter of excellent underwriting results. Our combined ratio of 86.6% was a significant improvement quarter of 2025. Our book value per diluted common share grew to 26 dollars in 22 cents.

Speaker #1: Including dividends, this increased by 7.2% delivering outstanding value creation in the quarter. Taking a closer look at our quarterly results, we grew our gross premiums written by 7% versus the same quarter last year to 1.8 billion dollars.

Speaker #1: During the quarter, in the insurance segment, gross premiums written increased by 13%. We saw continued growth from new underwriting partnerships in several lines of business.

Allan Decleir: We saw continued growth from new underwriting partnerships in several lines of business. In the Reinsurance segment, we had growth of 7%, excluding the impact of the reinstatement premiums related to the California wildfires in Q1 2025. This growth was driven by new underwriting partnerships. Our net premiums earned were $515 million in Insurance and $54 million in Reinsurance. Through our network of underwriting partnerships, we saw additional opportunities to strategically deploy capital in the quarter, including in lines that have an accelerated earning pattern, enabling us to exceed the expectations provided on our last call. Looking into Q2, we expect net earned premiums to be similar to Q1 in our Insurance segment and $65 to 75 million in our Reinsurance segment. Our excellent underwriting performance resulted in a combined ratio of 86.6%.

Speaker #1: In the reinsurance segment, we had growth of 7%, excluding the impact of the reinstatement premiums related to the California wildfires in Q1 2025. This growth was driven by new underwriting partnerships.

Speaker #1: Our net premiums earned were 515 million dollars in insurance and 54 million in reinsurance. Through our network of underwriting partnerships, we saw additional opportunities to strategically deploy capital in the quarter including in lines that have an accelerated earning pattern, enabling us to exceed the expectations provided on our last call.

Speaker #1: Looking into the second quarter, we expect net earned premiums to be similar to the first quarter in our insurance segment, and $65 to $75 million in our reinsurance segment.

Speaker #1: Our excellent underwriting performance resulted in a combined ratio of 86.6%. I will now break down the components of our combined ratio in more detail.

Allan Decleir: I will now break down the components of our combined ratio in more detail. For the quarter, our catastrophe and large losses were 12.7 points of the combined ratio or $72 million. This represents a significant improvement compared to the same period last year when catastrophe and large losses were 55.3 points of the combined ratio or $333 million, primarily related to the California wildfires. As Dan said, the evolving geopolitical landscape, particularly in the Middle East, has created underwriting opportunities for us. It is an ongoing situation, and we continue to monitor it. The loss experience in the Q1 was minimal. During the quarter, our attritional loss ratio was 27.2 points of the combined ratio, consistent with the low levels we have reported over the last several quarters.

Speaker #1: For the quarter, our catastrophe and large losses were 12.7 points of the combined ratio or 72 million dollars. This represents a significant improvement compared to the same period last year when catastrophe and large losses were 55.3 points of the combined ratio or 333 million dollars primarily related to the California wildfires.

Speaker #1: As Dan said, the evolving geopolitical landscape particularly in the Middle East has created underwriting opportunities for us. It is an ongoing situation and we continue to monitor it.

Speaker #1: The loss experience in the first quarter was minimal. During the quarter, our attritional loss ratio was 27.2 points of the combined ratio consistent with the low levels we have reported over the last several quarters.

Speaker #1: We recognize net favorable prior year development of 3 million dollars for the quarter compared to 41 million dollars in the prior year period. We had continued positive development on catastrophe losses and benign prior year attritional experience in our reinsurance segment and better than expected loss emergence in multiple lines of business in our insurance segment.

Allan Decleir: We recognized net favorable prior year development of $3 million for the quarter compared to $41 million in the prior year period. We had continued positive development on catastrophe losses and benign prior year attritional experience in our reinsurance segment and better-than-expected loss emergence in multiple lines of business in our insurance segment. In the quarter, we, like others, recognized increased loss estimates related to the Baltimore Bridge collapse. Turning to expenses. Underlying policy acquisition expenses were 26.8 points of the combined ratio for Q1, consistent with 27.8 points in the prior year period. Policy acquisition expenses to PFP were 15.3 points of the combined ratio in the quarter. The increase of 2.3 points from prior year related to the excellent underwriting results in the current year.

Speaker #1: In the quarter, we like others recognized increased loss estimates related to the Baltimore Bridge collapse. Turning to expenses, underlying policy acquisition expenses were 26.8 points of the combined ratio for the first quarter consistent with 27.8 points in the prior year period.

Speaker #1: Policy acquisition expenses to TFP were 15.3 points of the combined ratio in the quarter the increase of 2.3 points from prior year related to the excellent underwriting results in the current year.

Speaker #1: Finally, our general and administrative expenses were 29 million dollars in the quarter. This is consistent with what we shared on our last call and continue to expect through 2026.

Allan Decleir: Finally, our general and administrative expenses were $29 million in the quarter. This is consistent with what we shared on our last call and continue to expect through 2026. Moving on to our investment results. Our net investment income was $44 million, consistent with Q4 2025. As of 31 March, 92% of our portfolio is in cash and fixed maturity securities, yielding an average of 4.4%. The fixed maturity securities have an average rating of A+ with an average duration of 2.7 years and a new money yield of 4.5%. Turning to taxes. Our effective tax rate for Q1 was -4.8%.

Speaker #1: Moving on to our investment results, our net investment income was 44 million dollars consistent with the fourth quarter of 2025. As of March 31st, 92% of our portfolio is in cash and fixed maturity securities yielding an average of 4.4%.

Speaker #1: The fixed maturity securities have an average rating of A+ with an average duration of 2.7 years and a new money yield of 4.5%. Turning to taxes, our effective tax rate for the first quarter was a negative 4.8%.

Speaker #1: In the quarter, we recorded a one-time benefit due to the UK government updating its tax laws to conform with the most recent OECD guidance on Pillar Two global minimum tax.

Allan Decleir: In the quarter, we recorded a one-time benefit due to the UK government updating its tax laws to conform with the most recent OECD guidance on Pillar Two global minimum tax. Excluding this discrete item, our effective tax rate remains in line with our expectations at 16%. Turning to capital management. We are in a very strong capital position, which has enabled us to grow our underwriting portfolio and also return capital to shareholders. In Q1, we repurchased 11.5 million common shares for $219 million at an average price of $19 per share, which includes our previously disclosed repurchase from CVC. Our repurchases have been highly accretive on both a book value and earnings per share basis to our shareholders, contributing $0.75 to our diluted book value per share in Q1 alone.

Speaker #1: Excluding this discrete item, our effective tax rate remains in line with our expectations at 16%. Turning to capital management, we are in a very strong capital position which has enabled us to grow our underwriting portfolio and also return capital to shareholders.

Speaker #1: In the first quarter, we repurchased 11.5 million common shares for 219 million dollars at an average price of 19 dollars per share which includes our previously disclosed repurchase from CVC.

Speaker #1: Our repurchases have been highly accretive on both a book value and earnings per share basis to our shareholders. Contributing 75 cents to our diluted book value per share in the first quarter alone.

Speaker #1: We have repurchased an additional 14 million dollars of common shares through May 8th with 185 million dollars remaining on our share repurchase authorization. Since our IPL, we have repurchased 600 million dollars of our common shares or 30% of our shares at an average price of 17 dollars and 66 cents per share.

Allan Decleir: We have repurchased an additional $14 million of common shares through 8 May, with $185 million remaining on our share repurchase authorization. Since our IPO, we have repurchased $600 million of our common shares, or 30% of our shares, at an average price of $17.66 per share. We continued to pay a quarterly common dividend in Q1. Last week we announced a $0.15 dividend payable in June. In April, we also redeemed our $125 million junior subordinated notes, reducing our debt and resulting in a pro forma debt to capital ratio of 24.2% as of 31 March. In summary, our financial results once again demonstrated strong earnings power as well as effective capital management, resulting in 7.2% growth in book value per diluted share.

Speaker #1: We continue to pay a quarterly common dividend in the first quarter and last week we announced a 15 cent dividend payable in June. In April, we also redeemed our 125 million dollar junior subordinated notes reducing our debt and resulting in a pro forma debt to capital ratio of 24.2% as of March 31.

Speaker #1: In summary, our financial results once again demonstrated strong earnings power. As well as effective capital management resulting in 7.2% growth in book value per diluted share.

Speaker #1: And with that, I will now turn the call over to Johnny.

Allan Decleir: With that, I will now turn the call over to Johnny.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Alan. And good morning, everyone. As Dan mentioned, at a time when the market is finding it more challenging, our model continues to drive profitable growth.

Jonny Strickle: Thanks, Allan. Good morning, everyone. As Dan mentioned, at a time when the market is finding it more challenging, our model continues to drive profitable growth as we grow and form new relationships with trading partners. As a capital allocator, we bring together underwriting partners, each with their own strengths, expertise, and differentiated access points to the market. Based on our underwriting and risk appetite framework, we strategically allocate capital to the right partners to execute on our plan. Each of these partners has their own unique way of accessing segments of the market. Utilizing several partners in the same marketplace enables us to grow and diversify in areas we already know and like, and where we have extensive expertise.

Speaker #2: As we grow and form new relationships with trading partners, as the capital allocator, we bring together underwriting partners—each with their own strengths, expertise, and differentiated access points to the market.

Speaker #2: Then based on our underwriting and risk appetite framework, we strategically allocate capital to the right partners to execute on our plan. Each of these partners has their own unique way of accessing segments of the market.

Speaker #2: Utilizing several partners in the same marketplace enables us to grow and diversify in areas we already know and like. And where we have extensive expertise.

Speaker #2: For example, in property, through the Fidelis partnership, we have broad access to the ENS market. Which has been a great source of growth for the past few years.

Jonny Strickle: For example, in property through The Fidelis Partnership, we have broad access to the E&S market, which has been a great source of growth for the past few years, and it continues to deliver attractive underwriting margins. As competition has increased in that area, we have been able to complement our existing portfolio by expanding our focus and diversifying to other areas of the property market through some of our new underwriting partners. An example of which is Bamboo Insurance, who are market leaders in providing coverage for homeowners in California and Texas. Similarly, our long-term partnership with Euclid Mortgage enables us to diversify our mortgage book geographically. Our existing European mortgage portfolio has performed exceptionally well over a number of years. However, achieving consistent access to the US market has historically been difficult due to the limited number of well-established participants.

Speaker #2: And it continues to deliver attractive underwriting margins. As competition has increased in that area, we have been able to complement our existing portfolio by expanding our focus and diversifying to other areas of the property market.

Speaker #2: Through some of our new underwriting partners. An example of which is Bamboo Insurance, a market leader in providing coverage for homeowners in California and Texas.

Speaker #2: Similarly, our long-term partnership with Euclid Mortgage enables us to diversify our mortgage book geographically. Our existing European mortgage portfolio has performed exceptionally well over a number of years.

Speaker #2: However, achieving consistent access to the US market has historically been difficult. Due to the limited number of well-established participants. By partnering with Euclid, and leveraging their unique relationships in this market, we have been able to successfully grow our US mortgage book.

Jonny Strickle: By partnering with Euclid and leveraging their unique relationships in this market, we have been able to successfully grow our US mortgage book, building a more diversified and robust overall portfolio. This highlights how we are leveraging the agility our model provides us to change how we are accessing risks and driving profitable growth in existing classes of business we know well and like. These new partnerships are becoming an increasingly meaningful part of our business. We have a strong pipeline of potential partners, and we expect continued growth with the partners we have already onboarded, as these relationships are structured with scalability in mind. As opportunities develop or market conditions evolve, we are able to scale efficiently and access risk in a differentiated way that complements and is diversifying to our existing portfolio.

Speaker #2: Building a more diversified and robust overall portfolio. This highlights how we are leveraging the agility our model provides us to change how we are accessing risks and driving profitable growth in existing classes of business we know well and like.

Speaker #2: These new partnerships are becoming an increasingly meaningful part of our business. We have a strong pipeline of potential partners, and we expect continued growth with the partners we have already onboarded.

Speaker #2: As these relationships are structured with scalability in mind. So as opportunities develop or market conditions evolve, we are able to scale efficiently and access risk in a differentiated way.

Speaker #2: That complements and is diversifying to our existing portfolio. This underpins our full-year outlook and we continue to expect top-line growth of mid-single digits across the entire portfolio.

Jonny Strickle: This underpins our full year outlook, and we continue to expect top line growth of mid-single digits across the entire portfolio. Outwards reinsurance is another key area of focus for us, and it plays a critical role in managing exposures, reducing volatility, and continually optimizing our risk profile. This year, we have taken advantage of market conditions and leveraged our position to materially improve our outwards coverage. Moving to aggregate structures where possible on our Nat cat protections, cutting quota share sessions on the most attractive lines of business, and purchasing a new whole account aggregate excess of loss cover, reducing overall portfolio volatility while enhancing margin. The combination of these actions has significantly improved our risk profile and helps to offset rate pressure on our inwards book.

Speaker #2: Outwards Reinsurance is another key area of focus for us. And it plays a critical role in managing exposures reducing volatility and continually optimizing our risk profile.

Speaker #2: This year we have taken advantage of market conditions. And leveraged our position to materially improve our outwards coverage. Moving to aggregate structures where possible on our net cap protections.

Speaker #2: Cutting quota share sessions on the most attractive lines of business, and purchasing a new whole account aggregate excess of loss cover, reducing overall portfolio volatility while enhancing margin.

Speaker #2: The combination of these actions has significantly improved our risk profile. And helps to offset rate pressure on our inwards book. We have now secured the majority of our outwards reinsurance for the year.

Jonny Strickle: We have now secured the majority of our outwards reinsurance for the year and are very pleased with the position we are in today. I will now pass it back over to Dan.

Speaker #2: And are very pleased with the position we are in today. I will now pass it back over to Dan.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Johnny. To sum it all up, our first quarter marks an excellent start to 2026. Our results speak to the strength of our business and demonstrate the resilience of our approach as a strategic capital allocator.

Daniel Burrows: Thanks, Johnny. To sum it all up, our Q1 marks an excellent start to 2026. Our results speak to the strength of our business and demonstrate the resilience of our approach as a strategic capital allocator. Our diversified portfolio, deep relationships, and ability to allocate capital dynamically give us clear advantages in navigating an evolving risk environment. At a time where market access and risk selection matter more than ever, these differentiators will allow us to grow profitably and continue to deliver strong results. With that operator, we will now open the line for questions.

Speaker #3: Our diversified portfolio deep relationships and ability to allocate capital dynamically give us clear advantages in navigating and evolving risk environment. And at a time where market access and risk selection matter more than ever, these differentiators will allow us to grow profitably and continue to deliver strong results.

Speaker #3: With that operator, we will now open the line for questions.

Speaker #1: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad.

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Before we take your questions, I'd like to kindly ask everyone to please limit your question to 1 primary question along with a 1 follow-up. If you have any further questions, please rejoin the queue. With that, our first question comes from Meyer Shields with KBW. Your line is open.

Speaker #1: If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. Before we take your questions, I'd like to kindly ask everyone to please limit your question to one primary question along with a single follow-up.

Speaker #1: And if you have any further questions, please rejoin the queue. With that, our first question comes from Meyer Shields with KBW. Your line is open.

Speaker #4: Oh, great. Thanks so much and good morning. Alan, you mentioned that there was, I guess, adverse development on the Baltimore Bridge and we've certainly seen that.

Meyer Shields: Oh, great. Thanks so much, and good morning. Allan, you mentioned that there was, I guess, adverse development on the Baltimore Bridge, and we've certainly seen that. I was wondering, first, if you could maybe quantify the impact of this particular loss reserve increase and give us a sense as to the underlying, favorable development from other lines.

Speaker #4: I was wondering, first, if you could maybe quantify the impact of this particular loss reserve increase and give us a sense as to the underlying favorable development from other lines.

Speaker #2: Hi, Maya. It's Johnny here. Actually, I'll take that one. I'll just give a bit of background on what happened on Baltimore first, then get to your question.

Jonny Strickle: Hi, Meyer. It's Jonny here. Actually, I'll take that one. I'll just give a bit of background on what happened on Baltimore first, then get to your question. I mean, you've probably seen in the press, the State of Maryland announced a settlement with the international group over the quarter. We provide reinsurance for them. That came at a level above where the market had its reserve set. Reflecting that in our results had an impact on prior year development, as you've seen in the results that we reported through. To put that into context, I think we're really pleased with where prior year development is overall. I mean, we ended the quarter with favorable prior year development, in fact, the reinsurance that are in as well. I really think that demonstrates the resilience of the portfolio.

Speaker #2: So, I mean, you've probably seen in the press, the state of Maryland announced a settlement with the international group over the quarter and we provide reinsurance for them.

Speaker #2: And that came at a level above where the market had its reserve set. So reflecting that in our results had an impact on, on prior year development as you've seen in the results that we reported through.

Speaker #2: To put that into context, I think we're really pleased with where prior year development is overall. I mean, we ended the quarter with favorable prior year development.

Speaker #2: In fact, for the reinsurance pillar in as well. And I really think that demonstrates the resilience of the portfolio. We can absorb significant impacts like this, without resulting in, a, a deterioration.

Jonny Strickle: We can absorb significant impacts like this, without resulting in a deterioration. In terms of the movement itself, I mean, what I can say on it is we moved our reserves appropriately in line with the underlying market loss, and reflecting the dynamics of the various components of what's quite a complex claim. If I think outside of Baltimore, we also mentioned property DNF in our release, where we had 2 or 3 large losses coming through on the prior year on that. To give a bit of context around that, Q1 is when we'd really expect to see losses like that coming through. These are events that happened at the end of 2025 and were reported to us in 2026, rather than deteriorations on things that we knew specifically about at that point in time.

Speaker #2: In terms of the movement itself, I, I mean, what I can say on it is we, we moved our reserves appropriately in line with the underlying market loss, and reflecting the dynamics of the various components of what's quite a complex claim.

Speaker #2: if I think outside of Baltimore, we, we also mentioned property DNF, i-in our release, where we had two or three large losses coming through on the prior year on that.

Speaker #2: So to give a bit of context around that, Q1 is when we'd really expect to see, losses like that coming through. And these are events that happened at the end of 2025 and were reported to us in 2026 rather than deteriorations on things that we knew specifically about at that point in time.

Speaker #2: But of course, we set IBNR provisions to allow for things like that. So actually, even when you take into account those three losses coming through favorable prior year development in the quarter.

Jonny Strickle: Of course, we set IVNR provisions to allow for things like that. Actually, even when you take into account those three losses coming through on DNF had favorable prior year development in the quarter. I don't think that was clear in some of our releases, so I just wanted to clear that up and provide clarity. It actually ran at a sub 30% loss ratio. I think it's a really great marker actually to show rate adequacy in that class of business, that even with three losses hitting our large threshold coming through on the prior year in one quarter, 30% loss ratio and favorable PYD overall. I just wanted to clear things up there. Hopefully, that gets your question.

Speaker #2: And I don't think that was clear in some of our release, so I just wanted to clear that up and provide clarity. And it actually ran at a sub-30% loss ratio.

Speaker #2: So I think it's, it is a really great, marker actually to show rate adequacy in that class of business that even with three losses hitting our large threshold coming through on the prior year in one quarter, 30% loss ratio and favorable PYD overall.

Speaker #2: So I just wanted to, to, to clear things up there. Hopefully that gets your question.

Meyer Shields: It does.

Speaker #4: it does. I was looking for more confirmation. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Meyer Shields: It does.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah.

Meyer Shields: More quantification. Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker #3: Sorry, yeah, Maya. I was just going to kind of frame that Baltimore event. As you know now, it's the biggest marine loss in history. And I’d say, historically, my experience would tell me that type of event would move the market.

Daniel Burrows: Sorry, yeah. Meyer, I was just going to kind of frame that Baltimore event. As you know now, it's the biggest marine loss in history. When I say historically, my experience would tell me that type of event would move the market. We'd expect a price correction when the particular cover renews early next year. Right now we're focused on opportunities. That's really the crux of our business, isn't it? We're always looking for opportunities.

Speaker #3: So we'd expect a price correction, when the particular cover renews early next year. so right now we're focused on opportunity. So that, that's, that's really the crux of our business, isn't it?

Speaker #3: We're always looking for opportunity.

Speaker #4: Okay. No, completely understood. if I can switch gears just briefly, I'm trying to get a sense as to the lines of business where you're growing in reinsurance specifically.

Meyer Shields: Okay. No, completely understood. If I can switch gears just briefly. I'm trying to get a sense as to the lines of business where you're growing in reinsurance specifically.

Speaker #2: In, in the reinsurance pillar, is

Jonny Strickle: In the reinsurance pillar, is that right?

Speaker #4: Yes, that's right. Taking out the reinstatement premiums from last year. So there was some growth and I'm wondering which lines you're reinsuring. Or which lines you're growing your inwards reinsurance.

Meyer Shields: Yes, that's right. Taking out the reinstatement premiums from last year. There was some growth, and I'm wondering which lines you're reinsuring or which lines you're growing your inwards reinsurance?

Speaker #2: Yes, pro-property cap reinsurance. We haven't broadened, offering out in that line in terms of lines of business. What we have done is add a new underwriting partner that we talked about a bit last time, Oak Global.

Jonny Strickle: Yes, pro-property cat reinsurance. We haven't broadened our offering out in that line in terms of lines of business. What we have done is add a new underwriting partner that we talked about a bit last time, OAK Global. A big chunk of their book is property cat reinsurance. I think they provide us a slightly different access point into that market. Their CEO, who heads up the underwriting there, ex-RenRe for 20 years, really well known in the market, a proven track record of delivering in that space. As a capital allocator, we like to have options, and I think having OAK alongside The Fidelis Partnership to write property cat risk gives us access to more of the market and helps give us that optionality to flex between partners depending on where the market is at any one time.

Speaker #2: a, a big chunk of their book is property cap reinsurance. I think they provide us a slightly different access point into that market. Their CEO, who heads up the underwriting there, E-XM Re for 20 years, really well known in the market, a proven track record of delivering in that space.

Speaker #2: And as a capital allocator, we like to have options. And I think having Oak alongside the Fidelis partnership to write property cap risk gives us access to more of the market and helps give us that optionality to flex between partners depending on where the market is at any one time.

Speaker #3: Yeah. And I think I'd just add, Maya, with, you know, we have very high hurdles for our underwriting partners for all of them. And we look at Oak in their first year as a Lloyd Syndicate.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah. I think I'd just add, Meyer, with, you know, we have very high hurdles for our underwriting partners for all of them. When we look at Oak in their first year as a Lloyd's syndicate, they came in with a sub 85 combined ratio, which when we think about, you know, year 1 with expenses, that's a really good performance and ahead of our sort of target plan. Onboarding more of that is really what we're looking to do in the future.

Speaker #3: They came in with a sub-85 combined ratio, which, when we think about, you know, year one with expenses, that's a really good performance and ahead of our sort of target plan.

Speaker #3: So onboarding more of that is really what we're, what we're looking to do in the future.

Speaker #4: Okay. Fantastic. Thank you so much.

Meyer Shields: Okay. Fantastic. Thank you so much.

Operator: Your next question comes from Peter Knudsen with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Peter Nutson with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Morning. Thanks so much for taking my questions. my first one, you guys, you know, talked, a bit about your outwards reinsurance. I'm just wondering if you could, you know, potentially size the savings that you achieved from outwards reinsurance this year slash what you expect going forward.

Peter Knudsen: Morning. Thanks so much for taking my questions. My first one, you guys, you know, talked a bit about your outwards reinsurance. I'm just wondering if you could, you know, potentially size the savings that you achieved from outwards reinsurance this year/what you expect going forward and, you know, how much of that can offset some of the pricing pressure on the inwards book. Thanks.

Speaker #5: And, you know, how much of that can offset some of the pricing pressure on the inwards book? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Hey, hey, Peter. It's Johnny here. I'll, I'll start off on that one. there's certainly price reductions in that space. I think we gave some color on that last time at about 20%.

Jonny Strickle: Hey, Peter. It's Johnny here. I'll start off on that one. There's certainly price reductions in that space. I think we gave some color on that last time at about 20%, if you think about it that way. The way we tend to deal with that is to buy more coverage rather than bank the saving. We've certainly done that. I mentioned we bought an aggregate excess of loss cover that's more targeted around frequency of large loss. That's where some of the spend went. Some of it came on lowering retention levels relative to our overall portfolio or broadening coverage on an excess of loss basis. We really see it as an opportunity to enhance our risk profile and manage volatility down rather than something to just bank as a cash saving.

Speaker #2: If you think about it that way. the way we tend to deal with that is to buy more, more coverage rather than bank the saving.

Speaker #2: And we’ve certainly done that. I mentioned we bought an aggregate excess of loss cover that’s more targeted around frequency of large loss, so that’s where some of the spend went.

Speaker #2: Some of it came on, lowering retention levels relative to our overall portfolio or broadening coverage on an excess of loss basis. So we really see it as an opportunity to enhance our risk profile and manage volatility down, rather than something to just bank as a cash saving.

Speaker #5: Great, yeah, thank you. And then I was just wondering if you could provide an update on RPIs. I'm most specifically interested in property DNF.

Peter Knudsen: Great. Yeah. Thank you. I was just wondering if you could provide an update on RPIs. I'm most specifically interested in property DNF. I know you just mentioned, you know, that you still see that segment as rate adequate. You know, I would be curious how this has changed from year-end, or more broadly, you know, just in insurance and reinsurance versus the RPIs, I think, last disclosed in Q3, how those have changed. Thanks.

Speaker #5: I know you just mentioned, you know, that you still see that segment as rate adequate. you know, but I would be curious how this has changed from year-end, or more broadly, you know, just in insurance and reinsurance versus the RPIs, I think, last disclosed in the third quarter, how those have changed.

Speaker #5: Thanks.

Speaker #3: Yeah. Thanks, Peter. It's down here. I'll, I'll take that. Look, firstly, I think you'll hear from us a consistent theme with others you've heard in this earnings season.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah. Thanks, Peter. It's Dan here. I'll take that. Look, firstly, I think you'll hear from us a consistent theme with others you've heard in this earning season. It is a competitive market, we think across our diversified portfolio, we have 100 lines of business plus, many of which aren't actually impacted by market cycles. We see plenty of margin. Jonny's talked about loss ratios. I think we scripted that earlier around the property direct running at the last 3 years, sub 40, property reinsurance running sub 20 loss ratio. Plenty of margin in the business after years of compound increase. That said, we would categorize the retrocession market as probably the most competitive, where we've seen terms and conditions broaden.

Speaker #3: It is a competitive market, but we think across our diversified portfolio, we have 100 lines of business plus, many of which aren't actually impacted by market cycles.

Speaker #3: But we see plenty of margin. Johnny's talked about loss ratios—I think we scripted that earlier—around the property direct running the last three years, sub-40; property reinsurance running sub-20 loss ratio.

Speaker #3: So plenty of margin in the business after years of compound increase. That said, we would categorize the retrocession market as probably the most competitive, where we've seen—as Johnny said—you know, 20% there or thereabouts, in terms of rate improvement, which as a buy has been really good to improve margin.

Daniel Burrows: Johnny said, you know, 20% there, thereabout in terms of rate improvement, which as a buyer has been really good to improve margin. When we look at, you know, property direct, property reinsurance 1-1, 4-1, like others, we would say mid to high single digits, low double-digit reduction. There are other factors to think about. Obviously, our lead position, how we can leverage that to get better terms and conditions in a verticalized market, how we use outwards reinsurance. Again, talking about those loss ratios, there's plenty of margin in the book. I think obviously we've seen improvement in marine, via the war breach products, political violence, through the conflicts in the Middle East. We're happy with the margin across most lines.

Speaker #3: When we look at, you know, probably direct property reinsurance 1-1, 4-1, like others, we would say mid to high single digits, low double digit reductions.

Speaker #3: but there are other factors to think about. Obviously, our lead position, how we can leverage that to get better terms and conditions. In a verticalized market, how we use outwards reinsurance.

Speaker #3: And again, talking about those loss ratios, there's plenty of margin in the book. I think obviously we've seen improvement in Marine via the war breach products, political violence through the conflicts in the Middle East.

Speaker #3: but we're happy with the margin. Across most lines, I think still an outlier would be aviation, and we cut our premium as detailed in the last call by about 50% in the last year.

Daniel Burrows: I think still an outlier would be aviation, and we cut our premium, as detailed in the last call, by about 50% in the last year. We haven't seen any upside there, but it's all about margin. That, that's how we think about the market, not so much about RPI, but we allocate capital to a risk because we think about the margin it provides to our portfolio.

Speaker #3: We, we haven't seen any upside there. but it's all about margin. So that, that's how we think about the market. Not so much about RPI, but we allocate capital to a risk because we think about the margin it provides to our portfolio.

Speaker #5: Great. Thanks so much.

Peter Knudsen: Great. Thanks so much.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Leon Cooperman with Omega Family Office. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from Leon Cooperman with Omega Family Office.

Leon Cooperman: Thank you very much. I have an observation and a question. Is there anything unusual in your Q1 results that you consider non-recurring?

Leon Cooperman: Thank you very much. I have an observation and a question. Is there anything unusual in your Q1 results that you consider non-recurring? What do you think that that's a good example of the earnings of the company?

Speaker #2: Th-thank you very much. I have a, a observation and a, and a question. Is there anything unusual in your first quarter results that you would consider non-recurring?

Speaker #2: what do you think that the that's a good example of the earnings of the company?

Leon Cooperman: What do you think that that's a good example of the earnings of the company?

Speaker #3: No. Ob-obviously, in the first quarter, we did have a large PNT with CVC. as I, as I said on my introduction to the call, we do not anticipate any further secondary offerings in the near term, whether our existing original PE sponsors.

Daniel Burrows: Obviously, in Q1, we did have a large P&C with CVC. As I said on my introduction to the call, we do not anticipate any further secondary offerings in the near term with our existing original PE sponsors. We will continue to buy back shares. When we think about underwriting, you know, we will allocate to, you know, the highest margin business that we can. Other than that one P&C, there's nothing unusual in the quarter.

Speaker #3: we will continue to buy back shares. And when we think about underwriting, you know, we will allocate to, you know, the highest margin business that we can.

Speaker #3: So other than, other than that one PNT, there's, there's nothing unusual in the quarter.

Speaker #2: So that means that at the end of this year, it would seem to me that your book value would be in excess of $30.

Leon Cooperman: That means that at the end of this year, it would seem to me that your book value would be in excess of $30. If I just take the dollar in earnings roughly in the quarter and multiply that by 3 remaining quarters of the year, plus whatever the-

Speaker #2: If I just, take the dollar of earnings roughly in the quarter. And multiply that by three. Remaining quarters of the year. Plus whatever the.

Leon Cooperman: Yeah, I think.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah, I think.

Speaker #3: Yeah. I think if. Lee, if we can execute our plan for the rest of the year, we, we could be close to $30. There or thereabouts.

Leon Cooperman: Go ahead.

Leon Cooperman: Lee, if we can execute our plan for the rest of the year, we could be close to $30 there or thereabout. I think, you know, that demonstrates, you know, since the formation of the business in 2023, we've grown book value per share by about 68%. It's quite exceptional growth, and we continue to do that. So long as we can consistently compound good quarters, performance, combined ratio, increase book value, it makes it impossible for investors to ignore that. That's what we're focused on.

Daniel Burrows: Lee, if we can execute our plan for the rest of the year, we could be close to $30 there or thereabout. I think, you know, that demonstrates, you know, since the formation of the business in 2023, we've grown book value per share by about 68%. It's quite exceptional growth, and we continue to do that. So long as we can consistently compound good quarters, performance, combined ratio, increase book value, it makes it impossible for investors to ignore that. That's what we're focused on.

Speaker #3: So I think, you know, that demonstrates, you know, since the formation of the business in 2023, we've grown book value per share by about 68%.

Speaker #3: So it's, it's quite exceptional growth. And we continue to do that. And so long as we can consistently compound good quarters, performance combined ratios, increased book value, it makes it impossible for investors to, to ignore that.

Speaker #3: So that's what we're focused on.

Speaker #2: Yeah. Th-that's my second observation. You know, I'm not an insurance expert, but I am an analyst. So, basically, the typical analyst has a price objective of about $22, $23, $24, which is below book value.

Leon Cooperman: Yeah, that's my second observation. You know, I'm not an insurance expert, but I am an analyst. I basically, the typical analyst has a price objective of about $22, $23, $24, which is below book value. I see no reason why the stock should sell below book value, given your rates of return and how you're allocating your capital. I'm just curious, you know, the only explanation could be either that people think you're earning in excess of what is normalized, and you don't think it's the case, or that people are not paying attention because you have not had the aging in the market. Over time, I would expect that your returns would either, your market would either do better or you the market would be validated in this lower price objective.

Speaker #2: I see no reason why the stocks you sell below book value, giving you rates of return and how you're allocating your capital. And I'm just curious, you know, the, the only explanation could be either that, people think that you're earning in excess of what is normalized, and you don't think it's the case, or that people are not paying attention because you, you have not had the aging in the market.

Speaker #2: So over time, I would expect that, that your returns would either, your, your market would either do better, or the market would be validated in its lower price objective.

Speaker #3: Yeah. And, and we're working hard to make sure we're impossible to ignore. Lee. Compounding successful quarters on top of each other, is what we're striving to do.

Leon Cooperman: Yeah. And we're working hard to make sure we're impossible to ignore, Lee. Compounding successful quarters on top of each other is what we're striving to do.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah. And we're working hard to make sure we're impossible to ignore, Lee. Compounding successful quarters on top of each other is what we're striving to do.

Speaker #2: Right. Okay. Very good. Well, good luck, because it seems to me the market's making a major mistake in valuing you guys. And as long as they continue making mistakes, they're looking at you as a pile of capital, and at a minimum, it should be worth book value, which is $30, $31, and, you know, given your expertise in allocating capital, I think you deserve a significant premium to book value.

Leon Cooperman: Right. Okay. Very good. Well, good luck because it seems to me the market is making a major mistake in valuing you guys. As long as they continue to make a mistake, they look at you as a pile of capital. At a minimum, it should be worth book value, which is $30, $31. You know, given your expertise in allocating capital, I think you deserve a significant premium to book value. If you were in line with the industry, your stock would be well over $30. You know, 1.5x book would be a reasonable number. Everybody tells me because of the structure of the company that I'm too optimistic. I say, no, the management is allocating capital intelligently.

Speaker #2: And if you were in line with the industry, your stock would be well over $30. You know, one and a half times book, would be a reasonable number.

Speaker #2: And everybody tells me, because of the structure of the company, that I'm too optimistic. And I, I say no. The management is allocating capital intelligently.

Speaker #2: And Mr. Brindle is very good underwriter, and now we're gonna supplement Mr. Brindle with other people. They're gonna give you good re investment opportunities, and you're gonna allocate to the best capital returns.

Leon Cooperman: Richard Brindle is a very good underwriter. Now we're gonna supplement Richard Brindle with other people. They're gonna give you good investment opportunities, and you're gonna allocate to the best capital returns. You know, why are you selling at a discount to book value? I don't understand.

Speaker #2: So, you know, why are you selling a discount to book value? I don't understand.

Speaker #3: Yeah. And we and we agree, Lee. And I think what we would say is the performance is because of the structure. it works exactly as intended, and we're gonna keep on doing what we do well.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah. We agree, Lee. I think what we would say is the performance is because of the structure. It works exactly as intended, and we're gonna keep on doing what we do well.

Speaker #2: Good. Good. I'm happy. I'm about 80% of the company. I'm happy. Good. Good luck.

Leon Cooperman: Good. Good. I'm happy. I own about 8% of the company. I'm happy. Good. Good luck.

Speaker #3: Thanks. Thanks, Lee. Thanks for the question.

Daniel Burrows: Thanks, Lee. Thanks for the question.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Alex Scott with Barclays. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from Alex Scott with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Hi. thanks for taking it. Can you expand just on what you're seeing in the pricing environment for, you know, the, the wide I guess just more broadly in property, maybe separate from some of the niche areas that you're growing into, like, you know, you mentioned the bamboo partnership, and I get that that's very different, but, you know, in terms of, like, the, the ENS property cap we're hearing rates down as much as 30%.

Alex Scott: Hi. Thanks for taking it. Can you expand just on what you're seeing in the pricing environment for, I guess just more broadly in property, maybe separate from some of the niche areas that you've grown into, like, you know, you mentioned the Bamboo partnership, and I get that that's very different. You know, in terms of, like, the E&S property cat, we're hearing rates down as much as 30%. I mean, what are you seeing in your markets? What are you doing to bob and weave around that? I mean, are you gonna have to pull back in some of that where it's not rate adequate, or do you feel like, you know, even with some of these moves, you're still finding, you know, good shots on goal?

Speaker #5: I mean, what are you seeing in your markets? What are you what are you doing to bob and weave around that? I mean, are you gonna have to pull back in some of that, where, where it's not rate adequate, or do you feel like you know, even with some of these moves, you're, you're still finding, you know, good shots on goal?

Speaker #3: Yeah. Thanks, Alex. Look, first thing, as I, I said previously, when you just look at the look at the loss ratios for our direct property books, sub 40% for the last three years, yes, there is more competition.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah. Thanks, Alex. Look, first thing, as I said previously, when you just look at the loss ratios for our direct property books, sub 40% for the last 3 years. Yes, there is more competition. We operate as a leader. We can restructure, reallocate, think about the risk. It's a verticalized market. What we're seeing is more in the single to high, digit, single-digit decreases, low double-digit decreases, but optimizing the outward is how we think about it to improve the margin. There is gonna always be a range. We completely agree. We wouldn't follow the market to the sort of extremes that you're talking about. As a leader, that's relevant to our clients, we don't have to.

Speaker #3: we operate as a leader. We can restructure, reallocate, think about the risk. it's a verticalized market. What we're seeing is more in the single, to high, digit single-digit decreases, low, double-digit decreases.

Speaker #3: But optimizing the outwards is how we think about it to improve the margin. So there is gonna always be a range. We completely agree.

Speaker #3: we wouldn't follow the market, so the sort of extremes that you're talking about. But as a leader, that's relevant to our clients. We don't have to.

Jonny Strickle: It's Johnny here. I'll just add to that. It's a very short-tailed line of business. I think if rate adequacy was starting to get tight, you would see that come through very, very quickly. As Dan said, we've run at less than 40% in aggregate since we launched the business. In this quarter, in particular, we're less than 30%, and that's despite getting 3 big losses coming through that happened at the end of last year. I think that really shows two things, that rate adequacy for us is still in a great place, and outwards reinsurance has helped us manage the volatility and improve margins in that line as well.

Speaker #5: And it's Johnny here. I'll just add to that. It's a very short-tailed line of business. So, I think if rate adequacy—we're starting to get tighter—you would see that come through very, very quickly.

Speaker #5: As Dan said, we, we've run at less than 40% in aggregate since we, launched the business. And this quarter in particular, we're less than 30%.

Speaker #5: And that's despite getting three big losses coming through that happened at the end of last year. So I think that really shows two things, that rate adequacy for us is still on a great place.

Speaker #5: And outwards reinsurance has helped us manage the volatility and improve margins in that line as well.

Speaker #3: Yeah. I think I it's Dan again. It goes back to the point. When we think about the market, it-it's not about the RPI. It's about the margin in the business.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah, I think. Dan again. It goes back to the point when we think about the market, it's not about the RPI, it's about the margin in the business, and that's how we allocate our capital.

Speaker #3: And that's how we allocate our capital.

Speaker #5: Makes sense. Okay. Thank you. and then could you give us, you know, more, on just, you know, how impactful some of these partners that you're bringing online are, to, to the capital you're deploying?

Alex Scott: Makes sense. Okay. Thank you. Could you give us, you know, more on just, you know, how impactful some of these partners that you're bringing online are to the capital you're deploying? You know, are there an increasing amount of opportunities there? Is that something where you expect to continue to grow those partnerships? I just wanna think through how that can support growth.

Speaker #5: And, you know, are, are there an increasing amount of opportunities there? Is that something we expect to continue to grow those partnerships? I just wanna think through how that can, support growth.

Speaker #2: Hi, Alex. It's Johnny here. I'll take that one as well. In terms of our growth, yeah, they've been a meaningful component of that.

Jonny Strickle: Hey, Alex, it's Johnny here. I'll take that one as well. In terms of our growth, yeah, they've been a meaningful component of that. We said last time they were around half of our growth last year. They've continued to grow into Q1 this year. I don't think that is necessarily growing the number of partners we do business with in a dramatic way. I mean, I think that's something, but certainly not gonna be in the hundreds. You know, it's gonna be in the tens for sure. The way I try and think about that is at the moment, every single partner we onboard, every opportunity they bring, the entire management team is fully engaged in reviewing that and deciding how to size it, how to approach it, how to execute on it.

Speaker #2: We said last time they were around half of our growth last year. They've continued to grow into Q1 this year. I don't think that is necessarily growing the number of partners we do business with in a dramatic way.

Speaker #2: I mean, I think that's something, but certainly not gonna be in the hundreds. You know, it's gonna be in the tens for sure. A-and the way I try and think about that is, at the moment, every single partner we onboard, every opportunity they bring, the entire management team is fully engaged in reviewing that, and deciding how to size it, how to approach it, how to execute on it.

Speaker #2: And we will not move away from that. So it won't get to a quantity where we aren't able to do that anymore. What I would point to is some of the partners that we've talked about publicly, Euclid and Oak being great examples, are really scalable platforms.

Jonny Strickle: We will not move away from that. It won't get to a quantity where we aren't able to do that anymore. What I would point to is some of the partners that we've talked about publicly, Euclid and Oak being great examples, are really scalable platforms. They're growing in their first few years of business. We're able to grow with them alongside here. Actually, scalability is one of the key factors we think about when trying to onboard partners. If I think about that strategy into the future, I would expect us to grow with new underwriting partners, but don't expect that to be a continual increase in terms of number of partners. Some of it's gonna be growth with existing.

Speaker #2: So, they're growing in their first few years of business; we're able to grow with them alongside it. And actually, scalability is one of the key factors we think about when trying to onboard partners.

Speaker #2: So, if I think about that—that strategy into the future—I would expect us to grow with new underwriting partners, but don't expect that to be a continual increase in terms of number of partners.

Speaker #2: Some of it's going to be growth with existing.

Speaker #5: Okay. All right. Thank you.

Alex Scott: Okay. All right. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Pablo Singzon, with JP Morgan. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from Pablo Singzon with JP Morgan. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Hi. This is Kevin on for Pablo. just wanted to hear what your mid-medium-term outlook was for the mortgage partnership with Euclid. I think a lot of the growth that has come from Euclid has been taking larger share of the mortgage reinsurance market.

[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Hi, this is Kevin on for Pablo. Just wanted to hear what your medium-term outlook was for the mortgage partnership with Euclid. I think a lot of the growth that has come from Euclid has been taking a larger share of the mortgage reinsurance market. With the underlying market not growing as much, what are your thoughts on medium-term growth?

Speaker #5: So with the underlying market not growing as much a what are your thoughts on medium-term growth?

Speaker #3: Yeah, I think, actually—I think Euclid made an announcement yesterday, so, you know, consistent with that. We see opportunity for growth, but we also can grow with the partnership.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah, I think, actually, I think Euclid Mortgage made an announcement yesterday. You know, consistent with that, we see opportunity for growth, but we also can grow with The Fidelis Partnership. They have a very high-performing portfolio there as well. That's really what it's all about. It's combining The Fidelis Partnership with new underwriting access to build a really strong platform for growth. Yeah, we're excited, and we see opportunity there.

Speaker #3: They have a very high-performing portfolio there as well. So that-that's really what it's all about. It's combining the partnership with new underwriting access to build a really strong platform for growth.

Speaker #3: So yeah, we're excited, and we see opportunity there.

Speaker #5: Yeah. I think it, it's Johnny here. It's, it's all about balance in, in sort of, asset-backed finance class of business. It's trying to get balance geographically by industry, by product type, by, by distribution point into the market.

Jonny Strickle: Yeah, I think it's Jonny here. It's all about balance in sort of the asset-backed finance class of business. It's trying to get balance geographically by industry, by product type, by distribution point into the market. We hadn't historically had much of a footprint in the US mortgage market, so naturally there's more room for us to grow there. By growing there, it helps diversify the portfolio. I think Euclid's a great partner to execute on that with.

Speaker #5: We hadn't historically had much of a footprint in the US mortgage market. So naturally, there's more room for us to grow there. And by growing there, it helps diversify the, the portfolio.

Speaker #5: And I think Euclid's a great partner to execute on that with. Great. Thanks. And then, on the loss experience, loss experience has been good in recent quarters.

[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Great. Thanks. On the loss experience. Loss experience has been good in recent quarters. Is that changing your full year outlook on loss ratios? I think you had said mid-40s XPYD last quarter, but you've been running in the high 30s, low 40s.

Speaker #5: Is that changing your full-year outlook on, loss ratios? I think you had said mid-40s XPYD last quarter, but you've been running in the high 30s, low 40s.

Jonny Strickle: Hey, it's Johnny here. I mean, we're still comfortable with our mid-forties pick, I think. I mean, obviously we're pleased to have beat that the last two or three quarters, hope we do into the future. I think that's an appropriate place to set expectations.

Speaker #2: Hey, it's Johnny here. I mean, we're still comfortable with our mid-40s pick, I think. I mean, obviously, we're pleased to have beat that the last two or three quarters.

Speaker #2: and hope we do into the future. But I think that's an appropriate place to, to set expectations.

Speaker #5: Great. Thank you.

[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Great. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Andrew Anderson with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from Andrew Andersen with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker #6: Hey. Good morning. How would you characterize the political risk market today versus the pre-conflict environment just in terms of pricing capacity a-and attachment points?

Andrew Andersen: Hey, good morning. How would you characterize the political risk market today versus the pre-conflict environment just in terms of pricing capacity and attachment points?

Speaker #3: Yeah. great question. I, I think as we've mentioned earlier, for us, when we think about, specifically through the conflicts, the opportunity created would mostly be in war breach and political violence/terror.

Daniel Burrows: Great question. I think as we've mentioned earlier, for us, when we think about specifically during the conflicts, the opportunity created would mostly be on war breach and political violence/terror. There were minimal losses in Q1. We are only 6 weeks into Q2. There have been some very high profile losses in the market. Our exposure to those is very manageable and well within our large loss load. I think it's also a really good example of the capital allocation model and how we work with our partners. You know, we were very quickly able to set an underwriting risk appetite and framework. We allocated our capital to The Fidelis Partnership. We think they're best in class. They have significant experience, depth of knowledge, and they're best placed to take advantage of opportunities that we're seeing.

Speaker #3: There were minimal losses in Q1. We are only six weeks into Q2. There have been some very high-profile losses in the market. Our exposure to those is very manageable and well within large loss load.

Speaker #3: I think it's also a really good example of the ca-capital allocation model and how we work with our partners. You know, we were very quickly able to set an underwriting risk appetite and framework.

Speaker #3: We allocated, our capital to the Fidelis partnership. We think they're best in class. They have a significant experience. Depth of knowledge. And they're best place to take advantage of opportunities that we're seeing.

Speaker #3: But our approach is also a little bit different from others. We prefer to individually write each risk on its own merits. So, when we think about war breach, we'd look at it per vessel, per voyage—we think that's essential in a live, fluid environment.

Daniel Burrows: Our approach is also a little bit different to others. We prefer to individually write each risk on its own merits. When we think about war breach, we look at per vessel, per voyage. We think that's essential in a live fluid environment and a much more accretive route to the business rather than writing facilities which often end up giving you broader cover. You don't really get the data. Exposure tracking is less precise. We're seeing opportunity. Political risk, you know, to the side, has been running really, really well. We've been seeing, you know, a good pipeline of business before and during this conflict. The immediate opportunity is more around lines like war breach, political violence, and terror.

Speaker #3: And a much more accretive route to the business rather than writing facilities, which often end up giving you broader cover. You don't really get the data, exposure tracking is less precise.

Speaker #3: So we're seeing we're seeing opportunity. political risk, you know, to the side, has been running really, really well. We've been seeing, you know, a good pipeline of business, before and during this conflict.

Speaker #3: But the immediate opportunity is more around lines like war breach, political violence, and terror.

Speaker #5: Thanks. And you mentioned earlier on the call just some competition in certain lines. Can you just expand a bit on how durable you think the pricing advantage is from being a lead underwriter?

Andrew Andersen: Thanks. You mentioned earlier on the call just some competition in certain lines. Can you just expand a bit on how durable you think the pricing advantage is from being a lead underwriter? Are you seeing any signs of maybe follow-up follower catch up compressing that pricing advantage?

Speaker #5: Are you seeing any signs of maybe follow-up, follower catch-up compressing that, that pricing advantage?

Daniel Burrows: No. If anything, we're seeing a more pronounced state of verticalization. You're seeing follow markets that aren't even showing renewals. That's happening, and that is what happens in a more competitive environment. We've got to make sure that we're relevant. We stay, you know, leveraging our position, multi-class. There's been very attractive compound increases for the last six, seven, eight years in some classes. I think the loss ratios especially that we talked about demonstrate the margin in the business. You can then use outward reinsurance to supplement the margin. At the moment, it works for us. We're confident with our targets for the rest of the year. You just got to work hard. It's as simple as that.

Speaker #3: no. If, if anything, we're seeing, a more pronounced state of verticalization. you're seeing, follow markets that aren't even shown renewals. That's happening. And that is what happens, in a more competitive environment.

Speaker #3: We've got to make sure that we're relevant. We stay, you know, leveraging our position—multi-class, you know. There's been a—there's been very attractive compound increases for the last six, seven, eight years in some classes.

Speaker #3: and the and I think the loss ratios, especially, that, that we've talked about, demonstrate the margin in the business. You can then use outwards reinsurance to supplement the margin.

Speaker #3: So at the moment, it works for us. We're confident with our targets for the rest of the year. You just gotta work hard.

Speaker #3: It's as simple as that.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Andrew Andersen: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Mike Zaremski, with BMO. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from Michael Zaremski with BMO. Your line is open.

Speaker #7: Hey, thanks, good morning. N-nice to see the stock popping this morning. I guess my question is, well, specifically, whether, directionally, Fidelis has, had gone growth, kind of aspirations within a corridor, I, you know, maybe near-term or, or longer-term.

Michael Zaremski: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Nice to see the stock popping this morning. I guess my question is, well, specifically, whether directionally Fidelis has head count growth kind of aspirations within a quarter or, you know, maybe near term or longer term. I ask, I guess, in the context of kind of looking at some of the employee and G&A growth, kind of juxtaposing that with the market environment, but also some of the cool things you guys are doing with third parties, also with the pretty material Bermuda tax credits that also come online, you know, came online last year and will continue to come online. Thanks.

Mike Zaremski: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Nice to see the stock popping this morning. I guess my question is, well, specifically, whether directionally Fidelis has head count growth kind of aspirations within a quarter or, you know, maybe near term or longer term. I ask, I guess, in the context of kind of looking at some of the employee and G&A growth, kind of juxtaposing that with the market environment, but also some of the cool things you guys are doing with third parties, also with the pretty material Bermuda tax credits that also come online, you know, came online last year and will continue to come online. Thanks.

Speaker #7: And I, I, I ask, I guess, in the context of kind of looking at, at some of the, employee and G&A growth, kind of juxtaposing that with the market environment, but also some of the cool things you guys are doing, with third parties.

Speaker #7: and then also, with the, pretty material Bermuda tax credits that also c come online, you know, came online last year and will continue to, to come online.

Speaker #7: thanks.

Speaker #3: Yeah. Than-thanks, Mike. Just, just to remind you, we are Pelagos. and, you know, the, the structure was built meant to be efficient, meant to be lean.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah. Thanks, Mike. Just to remind you, we are Pelagos. You know, the structure was built meant to be efficient, meant to be lean. That will continue into the future. I mean, there's multi layers to your question. I don't know if you Johnny?

Speaker #3: and that will continue into the future. So, I mean, there's mul-multi-layers to your question. I don't know if you Johnny?

Speaker #2: Yeah. I, I being lean is really important to us. I, I, I think. And we can w-we feel we can execute the strategy that, that we've started on in the last year, year and a half in terms of moving to new underwriting partners and remain lean.

Jonny Strickle: Yeah. Being lean is really important to us, I think. We feel we can execute the strategy that we started on in the last year and a half, in terms of moving to new underwriting partners and remain lean. I think Bamboo, again, is a great example of that. We've been able to access the property market but not take cat risk to have an event cap that completely removes that, and the margin still remains attractive. How do you get there? You get there by having a really low expense ratio. It's something that we've got to focus on.

Speaker #2: I think one of the big advantages you have from being a lean company is it opens up margin to spend on reducing volatility. I think Bamboo a-again, to is a great example of that.

Speaker #2: We've been able to access the property market, but not take cap risk to have an event cap that completely removes that. And the margin still remains attractive.

Speaker #2: How do you get there? You get there by having a really low expense ratio. So it's something that we've got to focus on. I-it's something that I think, in terms of a long-term run rate, we've given some color on before.

Jonny Strickle: It is something that I think in terms of a long-term run rate, we've given some color on before. It's certainly not something that, we see growing as a % of premium.

Speaker #2: but it's certainly not something that, w-we see growing as a percent of premium.

Speaker #7: Got it. that-that's helpful. So, I guess just switching gears, y I don't think it was touched on, but if it was, you can you can i-it'd be a short answer.

Michael Zaremski: Got it. That's helpful. I guess just switching gears. I don't think it was touched on, but if it was, you can It'd be a short answer. In the press release, you talked about non-renewing a cyber policy. I know that there's plenty of very, you know, high quality peers that have said that line of business, you know, probably doesn't typically meet their appetite in terms of making it a much bigger line of business in their portfolios. Maybe you can kind of touch on what's taking place in that marketplace and why it was not renewed. Thanks.

Mike Zaremski: Got it. That's helpful. I guess just switching gears. I don't think it was touched on, but if it was, you can It'd be a short answer. In the press release, you talked about non-renewing a cyber policy. I know that there's plenty of very, you know, high quality peers that have said that line of business, you know, probably doesn't typically meet their appetite in terms of making it a much bigger line of business in their portfolios. Maybe you can kind of touch on what's taking place in that marketplace and why it was not renewed. Thanks.

Speaker #7: But, in the press release, you talked about, non-renewing, cyber policy. I know that there's plenty of, of, of very, you know, high, high-quality peers that have set that line of business, you know, probably doesn't typically meet their, their appetite in terms of making it a, a much bigger line of business, i-in their portfolios.

Speaker #7: But maybe you can kind of touch on what, what, what, what's taking place in that marketplace and why it was not renewed. Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah. Sure. I mean, f-for us, I think we've been pretty consistent on how we think about cyber. the, the bit that's stopped us entering that market in the past has been the systemic risk.

Jonny Strickle: Sure. I mean, for us, I think we've been pretty consistent on how we think about cyber. The bit that's stopped us entering that market in the past has been the systemic risk, so the risk in the tail. A product that emerged over the past few years was capped quota shares, so us reinsuring someone else and having a loss ratio cap. It really removed the worry about that systemic risk. That's when we entered into the cyber market and were successful in doing a number of deals. As we come into this year, there's been pressure in some places on where those caps are or having them removed completely. I think that's a term and condition that we just cannot move on.

Speaker #2: So, the risk is in the tail. A product that emerged over the past few years was capped quota shares—so, us reinsuring someone else and having a loss ratio cap that really removed the worry about that systemic risk.

Speaker #2: That's when we entered into the cyber market and were successful in doing a number of deals. As we come into this year, there's been pressure in some places on where those caps are or having them removed completely.

Speaker #2: I think that's a term and condition that we just cannot move on. So where we can't get the cap to be a level that we find acceptable, then we'd walk away from it.

Jonny Strickle: Where we can't get the cap to be a level that we find acceptable, then we walk away from it, and that's exactly what's happened with the example that we mentioned this quarter.

Speaker #2: And that's exactly what's happened with the example that we, we mentioned this quarter.

Michael Zaremski: That's good color. Just lastly then, do these cyber policies are they standalone or do they touch other policies that they need to be kind of written in a bit of a package when you know, when you're buying them through the brokers?

Speaker #7: That-that's good color. And just lastly, then, d-d-do the do these cyber policies kind of c are they standalone, or do they touch other p policies that i-it need to be r kind of written in, in a bit of a package when, when you you know, when you when you broker them, through or when you're buying them through the brokers?

Mike Zaremski: That's good color. Just lastly then, do these cyber policies are they standalone or do they touch other policies that they need to be kind of written in a bit of a package when you know, when you're buying them through the brokers?

Speaker #3: Yeah. Tha-thanks. it's Dan here. Tha-that's a standalone, single, policy w effectively just didn't like the structure. Simple as that.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah. Thanks. It's Dan here. That's a standalone single policy. We effectively just didn't like the structure. Simple as that.

Speaker #7: Thank you.

Michael Zaremski: Thank you.

Mike Zaremski: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Rob Cox, with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from Robert Cox with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Hey. Thanks. Good morning. Yeah. I'm just curious, a, a question on the new partnerships. you know, as you expand beyond the F-Fidelis partnership with these new partners, how do you maintain the same level of differentiated underwriting, as you have with the Fidelis partnership, where you have the frequent underwriting meetings and the, the right of first refusal.

Robert Cox: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Yeah, I'm just curious, a question on the new partnerships. You know, as you expand beyond the Fidelis Partnership with these new partners, how do you maintain the same level of differentiated underwriting, as you have with the Fidelis Partnership, where you have the frequent underwriting meetings and the right of first refusal? Are you employing any of those same arrangements with these new partners, or is it more about selecting them at the beginning of the partnership?

Rob Cox: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Yeah, I'm just curious, a question on the new partnerships. You know, as you expand beyond the Fidelis Partnership with these new partners, how do you maintain the same level of differentiated underwriting, as you have with the Fidelis Partnership, where you have the frequent underwriting meetings and the right of first refusal? Are you employing any of those same arrangements with these new partners, or is it more about selecting them at the beginning of the partnership?

Speaker #5: Are you employing any of those same arrangements with these new partners, or is it more about selecting them at the beginning of the partnership?

Speaker #2: Hey, hey, Rob. It's Johnny here. I'll kick off on that one. I, yeah, I think it's one of the attributes we look for in a partner.

Jonny Strickle: Hey, hey, Rob. It's Johnny here. I'll kick off on that one. I think it's one of the attributes we look for in a partner. We want someone that truly wants partnership, and by that we mean they want our input into their business plan, how they execute, what their risk profile is. If it's someone that's not looking to do that, then they would fall at the first hurdle, and it wouldn't be someone that we entered a partnership with. In terms of them monitoring that as they execute on it for us, with The Fidelis Partnership, right over 100 lines of business, we've been doing that since we split the business. There's a whole oversight framework we put around that which we've copied over to new partners effectively. Yes, we're just as involved with them.

Speaker #2: We want someone that truly wants partnership. And by that, we mean they want our input into their business plan, how they execute, what their risk profile is.

Speaker #2: If it's someone that's not looking to do that, then they would fall at the first hurdle, and it wouldn't be someone that we enter the partnership with.

Speaker #2: In terms of them monitoring that as they execute on it for us, well, the Fidelis partnership—right, over 100 lines of business—we've been doing that since we split the business.

Speaker #2: And there's a whole oversight framework we put around that, which we've copied over to new partners effectively. So yes, we're just as involved, with them.

Speaker #2: Obviously, there's proportionality in terms of sizing of different partnerships and how much of our time we spend on it. But it all goes through exactly the same process, same level of oversight.

Jonny Strickle: Obviously, there's proportionality in terms of sizing of different partnerships and how much of our time we spend on it, but it all goes through exactly the same process, same level of oversight. Like I say, one of the key things we look for in a partner is a partner that's open to that.

Speaker #2: A-and like I say, one of the key things we look for in a partner is a partner that's open to that.

Speaker #5: Okay. Great. Thank you. And then just as a follow-up, just a question on premium leverage. you know, at least on a gap basis, we've noticed the premium leverage, 1.3 times surplus, which we kind of have observed is, is more or less similar to some of the other companies we follow that have you know, less exposure to property or, or short-tail lines that, you know, may have more volatile underwriting returns.

Robert Cox: Okay, great. Thank you. Then just as a follow-up, just a question on premium leverage. You know, at least on a GAAP basis, we've noticed the premium leverage at 1.3 times, surplus, which we kind of have observed is more or less similar to some of the other companies we follow that have, you know, less exposure to property or short tail lines that, you know, may have more volatile underwriting returns. I'm just curious, how should we be thinking about where the firm is comfortable running the business, within its risk framework going forward?

Rob Cox: Okay, great. Thank you. Then just as a follow-up, just a question on premium leverage. You know, at least on a GAAP basis, we've noticed the premium leverage at 1.3 times, surplus, which we kind of have observed is more or less similar to some of the other companies we follow that have, you know, less exposure to property or short tail lines that, you know, may have more volatile underwriting returns. I'm just curious, how should we be thinking about where the firm is comfortable running the business, within its risk framework going forward?

Speaker #5: So I'm just curious how should we be thinking about where the firm is comfortable running the business, within its risk framework going forward?

Speaker #2: Yeah, thanks, Rob. It's Alan here. Absolutely. Yeah, our approach to capital allocation has been similar in the last few quarters. We're always looking for opportunities to strategically deploy capital into profitable underwriting.

Allan Decleir: Yeah. Thanks, Rob. It's Allan here. Absolutely. Yeah, our approach to capital allocation has been similar to the last few quarters. We're always looking for opportunities to strategically deploy capital into profitable underwriting. Certainly, as you've seen over the last few years, we're more into the specialty market and less into the nat cat space, and we're 80% insurance now and 20% reinsurance. Also, with our capital management strategy, we have bought back, as I said in my prepared remarks, $600 million of shares over the last 3 years, we're a lot more efficient, I guess, on the capital management front. When you look at premium to surplus between the types of business we write, our level of capital, our level of debt, we're a lot more efficient than we used to be.

Speaker #2: But certainly, as you've seen over the last few years, we're more into the specialty market and less into the nat cat space. And we're 80% insurance now and 20% reinsurance.

Speaker #2: Also, with our capital management strategy, we have bought back, as I said in my prepared remarks, $600 million of shares over the last three years.

Speaker #2: So we're a lot more efficient, I guess, on the capital management front. So when you look at premium to surplus, between the types of business we write, our level of capital, our level of debt, we're a lot more efficient than we used to be.

Speaker #2: And I think what you're seeing now is where we are comfortable in terms of capital, in terms of rating agencies, in terms of regulators, going forward.

Allan Decleir: I think what you're seeing now is where we are comfortable in terms of capital, in terms of rating agencies, in terms of regulators, going forward.

Speaker #2: And it's Johnny here. Just to add to that, in terms of the risk profile, I mean, there's no real change in that relative to the premium that we've been writing.

Jonny Strickle: It's Johnny here. Just to add to that, in terms of the risk profile, I mean, there's no real change in that relative to the premium that we've been writing. What I'd point to there as we've said before, the number of options in the outwards reinsurance space, whether it's through catastrophe bonds, ILW, UNL cover, has really opened up in the last 18 months or so. We've been able to take advantage of that to keep the net risk profile where we want it relative to our capital position.

Speaker #2: I wanna point to there is, is as we've said before, the number of options, i-in the outwards reinsurance space, whether it's through cap bond, ILW, UNL cover, there's really opened up in the last 18 months or so.

Speaker #2: So we've been able to take advantage of that to, to keep the net risk profile where we want it relative to our capital position.

Robert Cox: That's helpful. Thank you.

Rob Cox: That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #7: That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Matt Carletti with Citizens. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from Matt Carletti with Citizens. Your line is open.

Speaker #7: Hey. Thanks. Good morning. just to follow up to, Andrew's question, a few questions ago, Dan specifically around some of the opportunities coming out of the Middle East, war breach, political violence, etc.

Matthew Carletti: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Just a follow-up to Andrew Andersen's question a few questions ago, Dan, specifically around some of the opportunities coming out of the Middle East, war breach, political violence, et cetera. Just in terms of timing, you know, when the event kind of started in the quarter, can you just help us a little bit of context to understand kind of how much of those opportunities might be reflected in kind of what we saw in the quarter versus how much of those might be coming in the future, whether it be Q2 or forward?

Matt Carletti: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Just a follow-up to Andrew Andersen's question a few questions ago, Dan, specifically around some of the opportunities coming out of the Middle East, war breach, political violence, et cetera. Just in terms of timing, you know, when the event kind of started in the quarter, can you just help us a little bit of context to understand kind of how much of those opportunities might be reflected in kind of what we saw in the quarter versus how much of those might be coming in the future, whether it be Q2 or forward?

Speaker #7: Just in terms of timing, you know, when the event kind of started in the quarter, can you just help us, give us a little bit of context to understand how much of those opportunities might be reflected in what we saw in the quarter versus how much of those might be coming in the future, whether it be Q2 or forward?

Speaker #3: Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Matt. Thanks for the question. Yes, I—I look, I think it obviously spans both quarters. You'll see—you'll see a bigger uptick in Q2.

Daniel Burrows: Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, Matt. Thanks for the question. Yes, I look, I think it obviously spans both quarters. You'll see a bigger uptick in Q2 than Q1. I think that's probably the only way I can really frame it for you. It's obviously an ongoing situation. We still see opportunity in that area, but it's gonna be loaded more to Q2 than it was in Q1.

Speaker #3: than Q1. I think that's probably the only way I can really frame it for you. but it's not it's obviously an ongoing situation. We still see opportunity in that area.

Speaker #3: But it's going to be loaded more to Q2 than it was in Q1.

Speaker #2: Yeah. Just, just keep in mind it depends how people participate. If you participate through a facility or you give a pen away to some extent there, you may have booked your expected uptick in that in the first quarter, whereas if you write risk by risk and look through to the underlying, then it's just, you know, as you intercept each policy.

Jonny Strickle: Just keep in mind, it depends how people participate. If you participate through a facility or you give a pen away to some extent there, you may have booked your expected uptick in that in the Q1. Whereas if you write risk by risk and look through to the underlying, then it's just, you know, as you intercept each policy.

Speaker #7: Okay. Great. Thank you.

Matthew Carletti: All right, great. Thank you.

Matt Carletti: All right, great. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you. That concludes today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Dan Burrows for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. That concludes today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Daniel Burrows for closing remarks.

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