Q2 2026 Blumetric Environmental Inc Earnings Call

May 28, 2026

Speaker #2: Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator.

Speaker #2: This call is being recorded on May 28, 2026. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brandon Chow. Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone, to BluMetric Environmental's quarterly and annual earnings conference call.

Brandon Chow: Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone, to BluMetric Environmental's Quarterly and Annual Earnings Conference Call. This call will cover BluMetric's financial and operating results for the Q2 2026 fiscal quarter ended 31 March 2026. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the conference call to a Q&A session. Our call today will be led by Scott MacFabe, BluMetric's CEO, and Dan Hilton, the company's Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin with our formal remarks, I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements on this conference call may be forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements may include, but are not necessarily limited to, financial projections or other statements of the company's plans, objectives, expectations, or intentions. These matters involve certain risks and uncertainties.

Speaker #2: This call will cover Bluemetric's financial and operating results for the 2026 second fiscal quarter ended March 31, 2026. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the conference call to a Q&A session.

Speaker #2: Our call today will be led by Scott McStabes. Bluemetric's CEO and Dan Hilton, the company's chief financial officer. Before we begin with our formal remarks, I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements on this conference call may be forward-looking statements.

Speaker #2: Forward-looking statements may include, but are not necessarily limited to, financial projections or other statements of the company's plans, objectives, expectations, or intentions. These matters involve certain risks and uncertainties.

Speaker #2: The company's actual results may differ significantly from those projected or suggested in any forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors, which are discussed in our in detail in our regulatory filings.

Brandon Chow: The company's actual results may differ significantly from those projected or suggested in any forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors, which are discussed in detail in our regulatory filings. There may also be references to certain non-IFRS measures such as EBITDA, Adjusted EBITDA, backlog, working capital, free cash flow, and net cash. These non-IFRS measures are not recognized measures under International Financial Reporting Standards and do not have a standardized meaning prescribed by IFRS and are therefore unlikely to be comparable to similar measures presented by other companies. Please see our disclosures for further information and reconciliations of these non-IFRS measures. I will now hand the call over to Scott MacFabe. Please go ahead, Scott.

Speaker #2: There may also be references to certain non-IFRS measures such as EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, backlog, working capital, free cash flow, and net cash. These non-IFRS measures are not recognized measures under International Financial Reporting Standards and do not have a standardized meaning prescribed by IFRS and are therefore unlikely to be comparable to similar measures presented by other companies.

Speaker #2: Please see our disclosures for further information and reconciliations of these non-IFRS measures. I will now hand the call over to Scott McStabes. Please go ahead, Scott.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Brandon, for the introduction. Welcome, everybody, to our second fiscal quarter for 2026 earnings for Bluemetric Environmental. We appreciate all of you for taking the time to join us on today's conference call.

Scott MacFabe: Thank you, Brandon, for the introduction. Welcome everybody to our Q2 fiscal 2026 earnings for BluMetric Environmental Inc. We appreciate all of you for taking the time to join us on today's conference call. As per usual, I will start off by providing an overview of the Q2, and Dan will go into our details for our financial results. Firstly, we would like to start off by giving those new to the story a reminder of what we do. BluMetric creates a better environment for business. What does that mean? Well, BluMetric is a full-service water technology and environmental sciences and engineering firm. We design, fabricate, and deliver sustainable solutions to complex water and environmental challenges and have a rich history that spans over 50 years.

Speaker #3: And as per usual, I'll start off by providing an overview of the quarter and Dan will go into our details for our financial results.

Speaker #3: Firstly, we'd like to start off by giving those new to the story a reminder of what we do. Bluemetric creates a better environment for business.

Speaker #3: And what does that mean? Well, Bluemetric is a full-service water technology and environmental sciences and engineering firm. We design, fabricate, and deliver sustainable solutions to complex water and environmental challenges and have a rich history that spans over 50 years.

Speaker #3: We've evolved into a specialized integrator of environmental solutions in the fields of water, wastewater treatment, and professional services, with a natural and built environment.

Scott MacFabe: We've evolved into a specialized integrator of environmental solutions in the fields of water, wastewater treatment, and professional services for the natural and built environment. We aspire to be the environmental solutions and WaterTech company of choice globally. Now let's discuss this fiscal quarter in more detail. The Q2 saw a 15% increase in revenues, due primarily to the acquisition of DS Consultants. This is our seasonally weakest quarter for the fiscal year for our Professional Services division. The next two quarters are where most of the revenues are typically generated. We all saw a longer winter season in Toronto and Ottawa than typical, which pushed out activity much further than typical. As a result, even though we saw a full quarter of contribution from DS Consultants, the majority of their profitability is typically after the winter season going into the fall.

Speaker #3: We aspire to be the environmental solutions and water tech company of choice globally. Now, let's discuss this fiscal quarter in more detail. The second quarter saw a 15% increase in revenues, due primarily to the acquisition of DS Consultants.

Speaker #3: This is our seasonally weakest quarter for the fiscal year. For our professional services division, and the next two quarters are where most of the revenues are typically generated.

Speaker #3: We all saw a longer winter season in Toronto and Ottawa than typical, which pushed out activity much further than typical. As a result, even though we saw full quarter of contribution from DS consultants, the majority of their profitability is typically after the winter season, going into the fall.

Speaker #3: This revenue growth was offset by a decrease in revenues from our WaterTech USA group, also known as Gemini Water. We were mainly executing on the completion and commissioning phase of several projects, where revenue is primarily driven by on-site revenues and lower component and sales revenue.

Scott MacFabe: This revenue growth was offset by a decrease in revenues from our WaterTech USA group, also known as Gemini Water, who are mainly executing on the completion and commissioning phase of several projects where revenue is primarily driven by on-site revenues and lower component and sales revenue. Completing these projects ensured that we would have the resources to effectively commence several new projects in fiscal Q3. This quarter, we announced several contracts for our WaterTech USA group, demonstrating our strong pipeline and backfilling our capacity and facility for the next approximate year. As a result, we're looking at expanding our manufacturing footprint in Gainesville to double its size to 50,000 sq ft to allow us to scale with customer demand accordingly.

Speaker #3: Completing these projects ensured that we would have the resources to effectively commence several new projects in fiscal Q3. This quarter, we announced several contracts for our water tech USA group, demonstrating our strong pipeline and backfilling our capacity into facility for the next approximate year.

Speaker #3: As a result, we're looking at expanding our manufacturing footprint in Gainesville to double its size to 50,000 square feet to allow us to scale with customer demand accordingly.

Speaker #3: As we indicated last quarter, we're also actively in discussions for larger-scale municipal-like projects while simultaneously continuing to build the backlog with the smaller to medium-sized projects.

Scott MacFabe: As we indicated last quarter, we're also actively in discussions for larger scale municipal-like projects while simultaneously continuing to build the backlog with the smaller to medium-sized projects. These smaller to medium-sized projects are what WaterTech USA has historically delivered on and what are more numerous in quantity. We believe that the right long-term approach is to have a mix of both large scale municipal type projects along with these smaller ones. We also have expanded our operation and maintenance practice with this group and expect this will yield good margins with some of our larger clients moving towards. Having the full production and maintenance capabilities allows us to consider also water as a service offerings in the Caribbean. In addition, we're in the process of installing and commissioning our first indigenous water treatment system in British Columbia at a remote community.

Speaker #3: These smaller to medium-sized projects are what water tech USA has historically delivered on and what are more numerous in quantity. We believe that the right long-term approach is to have a mix of both, large-scale municipal-type projects along with these smaller ones.

Speaker #3: We also have expanded our operation and maintenance practice with this group and expect this will yield good margins with some of our larger clients moving towards.

Speaker #3: Having the full production and maintenance capabilities allows us to consider also water as a service offering in the Caribbean. In addition, we're in the process of installing and commissioning our first indigenous water treatment system in British Columbia, at a remote community.

Speaker #3: We believe this will be an important project to showcase our capabilities and performance to other indigenous groups. There's a significant market opportunity given the remoteness of these communities, which have been known to be under constant boil water advisories.

Scott MacFabe: We believe this will be an important project to showcase our capabilities and performance to other indigenous groups. There's significant market opportunity given the remoteness of these communities, which have been known to be under what constant boil water advisories. We're happy with how we've positioned for the remainder of the fiscal year, and we expect this to be our strongest revenue quarters. In our view, our excellence will be determined by our ability to recognize the higher revenue levels at a scale and see operating leverage from the investments we've continued to make in our divisions. In terms of our markets, the second fiscal quarter saw a 78% increase year over year in revenues from our military market. This is mainly due to the continued delivery and production of our Rheinmetall systems, which we expect to fully complete and deliver by the end of next fiscal quarter.

Speaker #3: We're happy with how we've positioned for the remainder of the fiscal year, and we expect this to be our strongest revenue quarters. In our view, our excellence will be determined by our ability to recognize the higher revenue levels at a scale and see operating leverage from the investments we've continued to make in our divisions.

Speaker #3: In terms of our markets, the second fiscal quarter saw a 78% increase year over year in revenues from our military market. This was mainly due to the continued delivery and production of our Rheinmetall systems, which we expect to fully complete and deliver by the end of next fiscal quarter.

Speaker #3: We've already begun backfilling our capacity, as evidenced by recent Watertech Canada military contracts. Once the Rheinmetall contract is fully executed, we're also seeing record quoting levels for Canadian military contracts. As we've always said, they can take slightly longer to convert, but we believe the increased urgency and need for more government spending on the military will help us get across the finish line and provide step-change growth for the business over the coming years.

Scott MacFabe: We've already begun backfilling our capacity as evidenced by recent WaterTech Canada military contracts once the Rheinmetall contract is fully executed. We're also seeing record quoting levels for Canadian military contracts. As we've always said, they can take slightly longer to convert, but we believe the increased urgency and need for more government spending on military will help us get across the finish line and provide a step change in growth for the business over the coming years. The goal for us in the next year would be to secure significant long-term value contracts for us to execute. We're in a unique position where our water technologies have a 20-year history of successfully deploying by the Canadian military and have a domestic supply chain and manufacturing presence ready to scale up further.

Speaker #3: The goal for us in the next year would be to secure a significant long-term value contracts for us to execute. We're in a unique position where our water technologies have 20-year history of successfully deployed by the Canadian military and have a domestic supply chain and manufacturing presence ready to scale up further.

Speaker #3: This week, we find ourselves at the CANSEC conference here in Ottawa, to showcase our tech to motivated partners and other clients. Additionally, our government market saw revenue growth of 31% this quarter.

Scott MacFabe: This week, we find ourselves at the CANSEC conference here in Ottawa to showcase our tech to motivated partners and other clients. Additionally, our government market saw revenue growth of 31% this quarter. We benefited from the absence of government appropriation that impacted activity last year. As we enter the remaining fiscal year, we remain focused on executing what's expected to be our next two highest revenue quarters. We want to deliver improved profitability and continue to showcase the investments in growth and recurring revenue like O&M. Our markets, particularly in the military, mining, and the Caribbean through WaterTech USA, are very strong. We strive for excellence across all of our major functions. We find ourselves currently navigating growth, integration, and the drive for profitability. We find ourselves also in a position that's stronger than our history.

Speaker #3: We benefited from the absence of government progression that impacted activity last year. As we enter the remaining fiscal year, we remain focused on executing what's expected to be our next two highest revenue quarters.

Speaker #3: We want to deliver improved profitability and continue to showcase the investments in growth and recurring revenue like O&M. Our markets particularly in the military mining and the Caribbean through water tech USA are very strong, and we strive for excellence across all of our major functions.

Speaker #3: We find ourselves currently navigating growth, integration, and the drive for profitability. We find ourselves also in a position that's stronger than our history. We're a unique company with unique water technologies, and this combination of talented and committed people creates a flywheel for us to become a larger and more dominant player in our markets.

Scott MacFabe: We're a unique company with unique water technologies, and this combination of talented and committed people creates a flywheel for us to become a larger and more dominant player in our markets. I'd now like to hand this over to Dan for a more detailed overview of the financials. Please go ahead, Dan.

Speaker #3: I'd now like to hand this over to Dan for more detailed overview of the financials. Please go ahead, Dan.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Scott. To the elderly presenting, Bluetrics 2026, second quarter results in more detail. Revenue for the 2026 second quarter was 18.3 million compared to 15.9 million in the prior year.

Dan Hilton: Thank you, Scott. Today, I'll be presenting BluMetric's 2026 Q2 results in more detail. Revenue for the 2026 Q2 was CAD 18.3 million, compared to CAD 15.9 million in the prior year. As Scott mentioned, the revenues for the period increased primarily due to the acquisition of DS Consultants, who contributed CAD 3.9 million of revenue this quarter. As I reminded everyone last quarter, our professional services division experiences seasonality with lower revenues in the winter months, which is our fiscal Q1 and Q2, with Q2 usually being the weakest. As a result, we expect significant higher revenue generation from the professional services division in subsequent quarters, Q3 and Q4. This will also help profitability as we benefit from the potential operating leverage of more revenues over a similar cost structure.

Speaker #2: As Scott mentioned, the revenues for the period increased primarily due to the acquisition of DS consultants, who contributed 3.9 million of revenue this quarter.

Speaker #2: As I reminded everyone last quarter, our professional services, division, experiences seasonality. With lower revenues in the winter months, which is our fiscal Q1 and Q2, with Q2 usually being the weakest.

Speaker #2: As a result, we expect significantly higher revenue generation from the Professional Services division in subsequent quarters, Q3 and Q4. This will also help profitability, as we benefit from the potential operating leverage of more revenues over a similar cost structure.

Speaker #2: Across the company's key markets, the commercial and industrial market was down slightly, mainly due to lower revenue from water tech USA, who as Scott mentioned, were in the project commissioning and completion phase for several projects, which typically see lower revenue recognition during that period.

Dan Hilton: Across the company's key markets, the commercial and industrial market was down slightly, mainly due to lower revenue from WaterTech USA, who, as Scott mentioned, were in the project commissioning and completion phase for several projects, which typically see lower revenue recognition during that period. This was offset by the acquisition of DS Consultants, which are mainly classified under this same market. WaterTech USA has also transitioned back to smaller scale projects which they're accustomed to and have executed on well. We have a backlog already secured to execute for the balance of this year. Q3 has already seen the commencement of manufacturing for several water and wastewater facilities. This will help us see potentially better margins and more predictable revenue recognition as we enter the next batch of projects. Our government market remains a stable pillar with no material changes in revenue.

Speaker #2: This was offset by the acquisition of DS consultants, which are mainly classified under this same market. Water tech USA has also transitioned back to a smaller scale projects, which they're accustomed to, and have executed on well.

Speaker #2: We have a backlog already secured to execute for the balance of this year. Q3 has already seen the commencement of manufacturing for several water and wastewater facilities, and this will help us see potentially better margins and more predictable revenue recognition as we enter the next batch of projects.

Speaker #2: Our government market remains a stable pillar, with no material changes in revenue. Our military market saw significant growth of 78% due to the Rheinmetall contract, and our mining market saw a modest 16% revenue increase as we continue to take advantage of the broader mining cycle with higher metal prices.

Dan Hilton: Our military market saw significant growth of 78% due to the Rheinmetall contract. Our mining market saw a modest 16% revenue increase as we continue to take advantage of the broader mining cycle with higher metal prices. Our gross margin for the fiscal quarter was 31%, compared to 27% for the prior fiscal year. The increase is mainly attributed to revenue mix, with more revenues being recognized from the higher margin professional services. This margin improvement was expected. We remain well within our target range and continue to aim to improve our gross margin over time. Operating expenses, net of depreciation and amortization, increased by 2.7 million to CAD 6.5 million compared to the prior year.

Speaker #2: Our gross margin for the fiscal quarter was 31%, compared to 27% for the prior fiscal year. The increase is mainly attributed to revenue mix, with more revenues being recognized from the higher-margin professional services.

Speaker #2: This margin improvement was expected, and we remain well within our target range and continue to aim to improve our gross margin over time. Operating expenses, net of depreciation and amortization, increased by 2.7 million to 6.5 million dollars compared to the prior year.

Speaker #2: The increase is primarily attributable to operating expenses of 1.848 million related to the DS consultants activity, lower utilization due to a longer winter season adding indirect labor costs, investments in recurring O&M services at water tech USA, and a higher general corporate overhead associated with increased business development, professional fees, and non-cash share-based compensation.

Dan Hilton: The increase is primarily attributable to operating expenses of CAD 1.848 million related to the DS Consultants activity, lower utilization due to a longer winter season, adding indirect labor costs, investments in recurring O&M services at WaterTech USA, and a higher general corporate overhead associated with increased business development, professional fees, and non-cash share-based compensation. Adjusted EBITDA for the fiscal quarter decreased from last quarter to a loss of CAD 0.6 million, compared to CAD +0.6 million from the prior year. Despite higher revenues and a stronger gross margin, the decrease in Adjusted EBITDA is primarily attributable to the off-season results of DS Consultants, coupled with lower than anticipated margins with WaterTech USA as they closed out several smaller projects to free up time and space to commence water and wastewater systems in Q3.

Speaker #2: Adjusted EBITDA for the fiscal quarter decreased from last quarter to a loss of 0.6 million compared to a positive 0.6 million from the prior year.

Speaker #2: Despite higher revenues and a stronger gross margin, the decrease in adjusted EBITDA is primarily attributable to the off-season results of DS consultants, coupled with lower than anticipated margins with water tech USA as they closed out several smaller projects to free up time and space to commence water and wastewater systems in Q3.

Speaker #2: The higher overhead costs discussed earlier, associated with business development and the continued expansion of our operations and maintenance team, are expected to support stronger revenues in future quarters.

Dan Hilton: The higher overhead costs discussed earlier associated with business development and the continued expansion of our operations and maintenance team are expected to support stronger revenues in future quarters. A net loss of CAD 1.1 million was recorded for the fiscal quarter, compared to a net loss of CAD 60,000 in the prior year. On March 31, 2026, BluMetric had a net cash balance of CAD 2.9 million, compared to a net cash balance of CAD 2.2 million at March 31, 2025. As at March 31, 2026, the company had approximately CAD 6.9 million in cash availability between its operating lines and cash balances and was not bound by any debt covenants. Working capital remains supportive of our growth strategy at CAD 9.9 million. This fiscal quarter was seasonally weaker on revenues but gives us a foundation to finish this fiscal year strong.

Speaker #2: A net loss of 1.1 million was recorded for the fiscal quarter compared to a net loss of 60,000 in the prior year. On March 31, 2026, Bluetrics had a net cash balance of 2.9 million compared to a net cash balance of 2.2 million at March 31, 2025.

Speaker #2: As of March 31, 2026, the company had approximately $6.9 million in cash availability between its operating line and cash balances, and was not bound by any debt covenants.

Speaker #2: Working capital remains supportive of our growth strategy at 9.9 million dollars. This fiscal quarter was seasonally weaker on revenues but gives us a foundation to finish this fiscal year strong.

Speaker #2: With what we expect to be our highest revenue quarters to date, we continue to believe that our diversified approach and traction in markets with significant tailwinds position us well for our overall revenue growth and earnings goals.

Dan Hilton: With what we expect to be our highest revenue quarters to date, we continue to believe that our diversified approach and traction in markets with significant tailwinds position us well for our overall revenue growth and earnings goals. We have a lot to manage but remain focused on the necessary work needed to successfully integrate DS Consultants, ensure we capitalize on potential larger scale commitments in the military market, ride the mining cycle, and keep our traction in the Caribbean and the Southern United States with WaterTech USA. We will be continuing to work towards unlocking that potential in the coming quarters. We're committed to delivering more predictable positive EBITDA as we continue to integrate our most recent acquisitions.

Speaker #2: We have a lot to manage, but remain focused on the necessary work needed to successfully integrate DS consultants. We must ensure we capitalize on potential larger-scale commitments in the military market, ride the mining cycle, and keep our traction in the Caribbean and the southern United States with Water Tech USA.

Speaker #2: We have the capabilities of a much larger enterprise now, and we will be continuing to work towards unlocking that potential in the coming quarters.

Speaker #2: We're committed to delivering more predictable, positive EBITDA as we continue to integrate our most recent acquisitions. I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to allow us to present our results to you today, and I'll now hand the time back over to Scott.

Dan Hilton: I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to allow us to present our results to you today. I'll now hand the time back over to Scott.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Dan. That was a great update, and I echo the excitement surrounding the opportunities that lie in front of us for the balance of the year.

Scott MacFabe: Thank you, Dan. That was a great update. I echo the excitement surrounding around the opportunities that lie in front of us for the balance of the year. We continue to make investments in our future through business development initiatives, infrastructure improvements, and a commitment to the efficient delivery of our products and services to the market. We look forward to our next call. We'll now take questions from the call participants. We'll pass it back over to the operator.

Speaker #1: We continue to make investments in our future through business development initiatives, infrastructure improvements, and a commitment to the efficient delivery of our products and services to the market.

Speaker #1: We look forward to our next call, and we'll now take questions from the call participants, and we'll pass it back over to the operator.

Speaker #3: Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer. To ask the question, simply press star. Followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw a question, simply press star.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, simply press star, followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw a question, simply press star followed by two. Again, that will be star one on your telephone keypad to ask a question. Your first question comes from Stephen Kammermayer from Clarus Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Followed by two. Again, there will be star one on your telephone keypad to ask questions. Your first question comes from Steve Kammermeyer from Clara Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker #4: Good morning, guys.

Stephen Kammermayer: Good morning, guys.

Speaker #5: Hi, Steve.

Scott MacFabe: Hi, Steve.

Dan Hilton: Hi.

Speaker #4: I just wanted to touch on the doubling of capacity in the US. How close are you to signing that new lease, and how long would you expect it would take to ramp up and fill that facility?

Stephen Kammermayer: Just wanted to touch on the doubling of capacity in the US. How close are you to signing that new lease, and how long would you expect it would take to ramp up and fill that facility?

Speaker #5: Thanks, Steve. Happy to answer that. So I think, as we mentioned in prior calls, the additional space that we're looking to add—it's an additional 25,000 square feet—is the remaining portion of the same building that we moved that team into last year.

Dan Hilton: Thanks, Steve. Happy to answer that. I think as we've mentioned in prior calls, the additional space that we're looking to add, it's an additional 25,000 sq ft, is the remaining portion of the same building that we moved that team into last year. They've completely filled the 25,000 sq ft, and we actually are using the outside space of the building for storage at the moment. There is an immediate need. We have negotiated terms with the landlord. We expect to be closing that transaction in June. Great terms, I think, on the facility, and that will see us capture the entire building. I think it does a number of things for us. It allows us to certainly operate in a safe way.

Speaker #5: They've completely filled the 25,000 square feet, and we actually are using the outside space of the building for storage at the moment. So there is an immediate need.

Speaker #5: We have negotiated terms with the landlord. We expect to be closing that transaction in June—great terms, I think, on the facility. That will see us capture the entire building.

Speaker #5: I think it does a number of things for us. It allows us to certainly operate in a safe way as you know. This is large equipment moving in large spaces and going in and out of the building on a regular basis is not ideal.

Dan Hilton: As you know, this is large equipment moving in large spaces, and going in and out of the building on a regular basis is not ideal. This gives us the ability to work year-round, regardless of the weather conditions in an environmentally managed facility. In terms of capacity, we don't anticipate needing the entirety of the 50,000 square feet this year. However, we do think we'll be expanding into three-quarters of the entire building. An additional 12,500 square feet of manufacturing space deployed by, I would say, August, September timeframe, it'll be available to us. We definitely have the pipeline to accommodate that level of production at the moment. We have backlog in that group going well into next year.

Speaker #5: This gives us the ability to work year-round, regardless of the weather conditions, in an environmentally managed facility. In terms of capacity, we don't anticipate needing the entirety of the 50,000 square feet this year.

Speaker #5: However, we do think we'll be expanding into three-quarters of the entire building. So an additional 12,500 square feet of manufacturing space deployed by, I would say, August, September timeframe.

Speaker #5: It'll be available to us. And we definitely have the pipeline to accommodate that level of production. At the moment, we have backlog in that group going well into next year.

Speaker #5: I think the concern for us is that we have a number of larger transactions that we're hoping to negotiate down there, and should any of those land, we will definitely be short on space.

Dan Hilton: I think the concern for us, we have a number of larger transactions that we're hoping to negotiate down there, and should any of those land, we will definitely be short on space. This is, I think, timely for us. It gives us the space we need, allows us to operate safely, doesn't overdrive our headlights, and gives us the capacity should any of these larger contracts that we're negotiating come through.

Speaker #5: And so this is, I think, timely for us. It gives us the space we need, allows us to operate safely, and doesn't overdrive our headlights and gives us the capacity should any of these larger contracts that we're negotiating come through.

Speaker #4: Okay. No, that's great. And then on the GNA, it was up sequentially here, obviously, from the DS acquisition. So I think taking out your stock-based comp, it was just over 7 million.

Stephen Kammermayer: Okay. No, that's great. On the G&A, it was up sequentially here, obviously from the DS acquisition. I think, taking out your stock-based comp, it was just over CAD 7 million. Is that a good number to use going forward for G&A?

Speaker #4: Is that a good number to use going forward for GNA?

Speaker #5: For the quarter, I think it is. We do have a higher rate now that we incur for audit fees, professional service fees on all fronts as we're a larger company now.

Dan Hilton: For the quarter, I think it is. We do have a higher rate now that we incur for audit fees, professional service fees on all fronts as we're a larger company now. In terms of one-time expenses, there are some investments that we've committed to that, I think, probably increase that number by about CAD 200,000. To be fair, once we commit to the new building, although that won't hit EBITDA, the way leasing is measured today under IFRS from a cash flow perspective, we'll probably replace those one-time charges with the additional costs related to the manufacturing facility in the States. However, obviously we would hope that that would be offset by an increase in commensurate revenue that'll be generated from those facilities.

Speaker #5: In terms of one-time expenses, there are some investments that we've committed to that I think probably increase that number by about 200,000. But to be fair, once we commit to the new building, although that won't hit EBITDA, the way leasing is measured today and derived for us from a cash flow perspective, we'll probably replace those one-time charges with the additional costs related to the manufacturing facility in the States.

Speaker #5: However, obviously, we would hope that that would be offset by an increase in commensurate revenue that'll be generated from those facilities.

Speaker #4: Right. Okay. No, that's great. Maybe just one more if I can. When we look at EBITDA margins here, obviously, fiscal Q2 week, winter season, and getting better through the remainder of the year, how is it progressing through the first couple of months here of fiscal Q3?

Stephen Kammermayer: Right. Okay. No, that's great. Maybe just one more, if I can. When we look at EBITDA margins here, obviously, fiscal Q2 weak, winter season, getting better through the remainder of the year. How is it progressing through the first couple of months here of fiscal Q3? I know you guys don't give guidance, but just curious if you think you're going to surpass your prior year's EBITDA margins.

Speaker #4: And I know you guys don't give guidance, but just curious if you think you're going to surpass your prior year's EBITDA margins.

Speaker #5: Well, I definitely think the next two quarters will be our strongest EBITDA. We are training very well. There's a couple of metrics I can share.

Dan Hilton: I definitely think the next two quarters will be our strongest EBITDA. We are trending very well. There's a couple metrics I can share. Certainly, DS Consultants, through this last quarter, actually experienced a loss, which they have done historically as well. We had to bear that, and that's the challenge of the seasonal nature of that business. The historic revenues that they've generated in EBITDA have always come through the warmer summer months, and we would expect them to be doing well. We know that as a data point, they have approximately 50 nuclear density gauges that they use out in the field to help with their geotechnical work, and they're all deployed at the moment in the field. We're seeing strong utilization from that group. We know that April this year versus April last year, real estate development is up in Toronto.

Speaker #5: Certainly, DS consultants through this last quarter actually experienced a loss, which they have done historically as well. But we had to bear that. And that's the challenge of the seasonal nature of that business.

Speaker #5: And so the historic revenues that they've generated in EBITDA have always come through the warmer summer months. And we would expect them to be doing well.

Speaker #5: We know that, as a data point, they have approximately 50 nuclear density gauges that they use out in the field to help with their geotechnical work.

Speaker #5: And they're all deployed at the moment in the field. We're seeing strong utilization from that group. We know that April this year versus April last year, real estate development is up in Toronto.

Speaker #5: Not to the levels it was at a couple of years ago, but we're certainly seeing that turn a corner, which is great news for that business.

Dan Hilton: Not to the levels it was at a couple of years ago, but we're certainly seeing that turn a corner, which is great news for that business, where a significant part of their revenues do come from working with developers in that region. We're seeing similar trends for utilization in the balance of our Ontario markets in our Rhino Science and Engineering group, where we're seeing utilization up over 60% now, raw standard utilization, which is great for this time of year for us.

Speaker #5: Where I'll significant part of their revenues do come from working with developers in that region. We're seeing similar trends for utilization in our in the balance of our Ontario markets and our environmental science and engineering group, where we're seeing utilization up over 60% now, raw standard utilization, which is great.

Speaker #5: For this time of year for us. Water tech USA, I think I mentioned that part of the challenge we experienced with them was they had four or five projects that were nearing completion and they decided I think rightfully, just so it wouldn't be a distraction for the business, to send teams out into the islands to complete all of those projects.

Dan Hilton: WaterTech USA, I think I mentioned that part of the challenge we experienced with them was they had four or five projects that were nearing completion, and they decided, I think rightfully, just so it wouldn't be a distraction for the business, to send teams out into the islands to complete all of those projects and finalize the commissioning so that in Q3, which is the quarter we're in right now, they'd be fully into the new wastewater projects. For them, wastewater is a little bit more generous from a margin perspective. The early phases of a contract tend to be the highest revenue-generating phases because that's when all the equipment is procured so that our team can start manufacturing these facilities.

Speaker #5: And finalize the commissioning so that in Q3, which is the quarter we're in right now, they'd be fully into the new wastewater projects. And for them, wastewater is a little bit more generous from a margin perspective.

Speaker #5: And the early phases of a contract tend to be the highest revenue-generating phases because that's when all the equipment is procured so that our team can start manufacturing these facilities.

Speaker #5: Then we have Water Tech Canada, which still continues to benefit from the Rheinmetall contract throughout the balance of this quarter. And we have a number of really exciting opportunities with the Canadian military.

Dan Hilton: We have WaterTech Canada, which still continues to benefit from the Rheinmetall contract throughout the balance of this quarter, and we have a number of really exciting opportunities with the Canadian military we hope to be in a position to announce. I think, by all accounts, all four of our groups, if I can frame it that way, seem to be running well at the moment, and Q3 should be lining up to be probably our best Q3, I would suggest at the moment.

Speaker #5: We hope to be in a position to announce so I think by all accounts, all four of our groups, if I can frame it that way, seem to be running well at the moment.

Speaker #5: And Q3 should be lining up to be probably our best Q3, I would suggest, at the moment.

Speaker #4: Okay. That's great. That's all I had. Thanks, guys.

Stephen Kammermayer: Okay. That's great. That's all I had. Thanks, guys.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Dan Hilton: Thank you.

Speaker #6: Your next question comes from Doug Jansen. Please go ahead.

Operator: Your next question comes from Doug Janssen. Please go ahead.

Speaker #7: Hello. I had a couple of questions bearing in mind that the stock is at its 52-week low. Why is that based on your discussions with investors and analysts, etc.?

Doug Janssen: Hello. I had a couple of questions. Bearing in mind that the stock is at its 52-week low, why is that based on your discussions with investors and analysts, et cetera?

[Analyst]: Hello. I had a couple of questions. Bearing in mind that the stock is at its 52-week low, why is that based on your discussions with investors and analysts, et cetera?

Speaker #5: Thank you for the question. The feedback that we're re getting from a number of locations, specifically the investment community, but also investment bankers we've worked with, is that number one, the geopolitical backdrop globally right now is created a tremendous amount of uncertainty.

Dan Hilton: Thank you for the question. The feedback that we're getting from a number of locations, specifically the investment community, but also investment bankers we've worked with, is that, number one, the geopolitical backdrop globally right now has created a tremendous amount of uncertainty. There's been a flight from small and micro-cap stocks in general, up to 40% they're seeing. We're not immune to that impact, number one. Number two, we've heard from, certainly in professional services side of the business from some of the bigger players that we either partner with or communicate with, like the WSP, Stantec, and others, that there's this impression that there's a huge negative impact on our business from the influence of AI and the introduction of AI.

Scott MacFabe: Thank you for the question. The feedback that we're getting from a number of locations, specifically the investment community, but also investment bankers we've worked with, is that, number one, the geopolitical backdrop globally right now has created a tremendous amount of uncertainty. There's been a flight from small and micro-cap stocks in general, up to 40% they're seeing. We're not immune to that impact, number one. Number two, we've heard from, certainly in professional services side of the business from some of the bigger players that we either partner with or communicate with, like the WSP, Stantec, and others, that there's this impression that there's a huge negative impact on our business from the influence of AI and the introduction of AI.

Speaker #5: And so there's been a flight from small and micro-cap stocks in general—up to 40%, they're seeing. And so we're not immune to that impact, number one.

Speaker #5: Number two, we've heard from certainly in professional services side of the business and some of the bigger players that we either partner with or communicate with, like the WSPs and Stantecs and others, that there is this impression that there's a huge negative impact on our business from the influence of AI and the introduction of AI.

Speaker #5: And I think that's starting to correct where people are realizing that AI is a great tool to improve efficiency, but I don't see it.

Dan Hilton: I think that's starting to correct where people are realizing that AI is a great tool to improve efficiency, but I don't see it, most don't see it replacing the industry. If you look at how their stocks are tracking to very similar trends, maybe not as deep as ours because they're bigger, but same trends downward as we're experiencing. Nobody appreciates where the stock currently sits, and our ambition is to see it improve. I think really for us, that comes down to taking what we have in front of us and really driving a better EBITDA and blacker bottom line with what we have in hand.

Scott MacFabe: I think that's starting to correct where people are realizing that AI is a great tool to improve efficiency, but I don't see it, most don't see it replacing the industry. If you look at how their stocks are tracking to very similar trends, maybe not as deep as ours because they're bigger, but same trends downward as we're experiencing. Nobody appreciates where the stock currently sits, and our ambition is to see it improve. I think really for us, that comes down to taking what we have in front of us and really driving a better EBITDA and blacker bottom line with what we have in hand.

Speaker #5: Most don't see it replacing the industry. So if you look at how their stocks are tracking too, very similar trends, maybe not as deep as ours because they're bigger, but same trends downward as we're experiencing.

Speaker #5: And so nobody appreciates where the stock currently sits in our ambition is to see it improve. And I think really for us, that comes down to taking what we have in front of us and really driving a better EBITDA and black or bottom line with what we have in hand.

Speaker #5: Second question. I've been looking for profits for a while, and certainly, this quarter was disappointing in terms of profits. You're talking about some of the best quarters ever in the next term.

Doug Janssen: Second question. I've been looking for profits for a while, and certainly this term, this quarter was disappointing in terms of profits. You're talking about some best quarters ever in the next term. When can a shareholder look for actual profits?

[Analyst]: Second question. I've been looking for profits for a while, and certainly this term, this quarter was disappointing in terms of profits. You're talking about some best quarters ever in the next term. When can a shareholder look for actual profits?

Speaker #5: When can a shareholder look for actual profits?

Speaker #4: Yeah, definitely. We believe Q3 and Q4 will be profitable EBITDA quarters. We carry the professional services team during the slow seasons when the winter months are upon us, and we did have a long winter this year.

Dan Hilton: Yeah, definitely we believe Q3 and Q4 will be profitable EBITDA quarters. We carry the professional services team during the slow seasons when the winter months are upon us, and we did have a long winter this year. All sides of the business are now, I would say, running at full tilt. We definitely expect profitability. We have, as you'll know from looking historically, generated profits in the past during those quarters, and we would anticipate the same this year. We're excited about Q3 and Q4.

Speaker #4: But all sides of the business are now, I would say, running at full tilt. And so we definitely expect profitability. We have as you'll know from looking historically, generated profits in the past.

Speaker #4: During those quarters, and we would anticipate the same this year, so we're excited about Q3 and Q4. But also add, there's been a little bit more or a deeper effort on austerity as we integrate we're working very quickly to integrate our Toronto businesses at an operation in Scarborough.

Scott MacFabe: Also add, there's been a little bit more or a deeper effort on austerity as we integrate. We're working very quickly to integrate our Toronto businesses. We had an operation in Scarborough. We're shutting that down and integrating the team into the larger, more established DS facilities and enterprise in Vaughan. We've made some strategic trimming of that workforce relative to balancing it more effectively to what current market demands are and backlog is. We've been trimming and adjusting that, and we should hope to see the benefit of those cost reductions as well.

Speaker #4: We're shutting that down and integrating the team into the larger, more established DS facilities and enterprise in Vaughan. We've made some strategic trimming of that workforce, relative to balancing it more effectively with what current market demands are and what the backlog is.

Speaker #4: So we've been trimming and adjusting that, and we should hope to see the benefit of those cost reductions as well.

Speaker #5: Thank you. Last question. I raised the issue of the need for a lead independent director. At the annual shareholder meeting, what progress has been made on that?

Doug Janssen: Thank you. Last question. I raised the issue of the need for a lead independent director at the annual shareholder meeting. What progress has been made on that?

[Analyst]: Thank you. Last question. I raised the issue of the need for a lead independent director at the annual shareholder meeting. What progress has been made on that?

Speaker #4: Thank you for that suggestion. And happy to report after yesterday's board meeting that most and more Tata has been identified and has accepted that role now and into the future.

Scott MacFabe: Thank you for that suggestion, and happy to report after yesterday's board meeting that Mohsen Mortada has been identified and has accepted that role now and into the future.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Doug Janssen: Thank you.

[Analyst]: Thank you.

Speaker #6: Again, if you would like to ask a question, simply press *1 on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from Bruce Lazenby from National Capital Investors. Please go ahead.

Operator: Again, if you would like to ask a question, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from Bruce Lazenby from National Capital Investors. Please go ahead.

Speaker #8: Hi, guys. Great presentation, thank you. I'm kind of used to looking at companies as a product company or a services company, because the way that companies are managed and supported financially is different.

Bruce Lazenby: Hi, guys. Great presentation. Thank you. I'm kind of used to looking at companies as a product company or a services company because the way that company's managed and supported financially are different. Margins are typically different. I'm used to seeing higher margins in a technology-based company, product company. You're reporting all the revenues in a single line. Can you give us some color as to what that distribution might look like, what the margins are in the tech sector, the tech side of the business versus the services side of the business, and would you consider reporting them independently so we can get a better idea of which part of the business is driving profitability and growth?

[Analyst] (National Capital Investors): Hi, guys. Great presentation. Thank you. I'm kind of used to looking at companies as a product company or a services company because the way that company's managed and supported financially are different. Margins are typically different. I'm used to seeing higher margins in a technology-based company, product company. You're reporting all the revenues in a single line. Can you give us some color as to what that distribution might look like, what the margins are in the tech sector, the tech side of the business versus the services side of the business, and would you consider reporting them independently so we can get a better idea of which part of the business is driving profitability and growth?

Speaker #8: Margins are typically different. I'm used to seeing higher margins in a technology-based company or a product company. But you're reporting all the revenues in a single line.

Speaker #8: Can you give us some color as to what that distribution might look like, what the margins are, and the tech sector to the tech side of the business versus the services side of the business?

Speaker #8: And would you consider reporting them independently so we can get a better idea of which part of the business is driving profitability and growth?

Speaker #4: Yeah, absolutely, Bruce. Pleasure. And thanks for being on the call. So, we do, in the notes of the financials and in the MD&A, split out Water Tech separate from Professional Services.

Dan Hilton: Yeah, absolutely, Bruce. Pleasure, thanks for being on the call. We do, in the notes of the financials and in the MD&A, split out WaterTech separate from professional services, but I'm happy to highlight some of the numbers here for you. In Q2, our professional services team had revenues of CAD 4.1 million, year to date, they're at CAD 10.9 million. The margin in that group that was generated is, on fee revenue, is 49%, overall was 42%, 41%. Sorry, my eyes are failing me. On the WaterTech side of the business, that was just BluMetric. If I include DS consultants for professional services, the revenues were CAD 8 million, the margin was 38% and 50% just on fee revenue. For WaterTech, the actual results on the revenue side were CAD 10.2 million, the margin was about 25%.

Speaker #4: But I'm happy to highlight some of the numbers here for you. So in Q2, our professional services team had revenues of $4.1 million, and year to date, they're at $10.9 million.

Speaker #4: And the margin in that group that was generated on fee revenue is 49%, but overall it was 42%, 41%. Certainly, my eyes are failing me.

Speaker #4: On the water tech side of the business, results in sorry, that was just blue metric. If I include DS consultants for professional services, the revenues were $8 million and the margin was 38% and 50% just on fee revenue.

Speaker #4: For Water Tech, the actual results on the revenue side were $10.2 million, and the margin was about 25%. Normally, our margins are slightly higher.

Dan Hilton: Normally, our margins are slightly higher. The margins that we experienced in the Gemini Group down in the States were only 14% for the quarter. That's not traditionally where they would land. They'd normally be up quite a bit higher than that. Because they were commissioning, finalizing probably four to five different projects, the margins on those projects were smaller. They just happened to all land at the same time. As I mentioned, going into Q3, as we ramp up production for a number of wastewater facilities, those margins will go up probably about 5% for that group. Happy to share those numbers. If you do look in the notes to the financials, we break out the segments, we also break out our four groups that we market into, so commercial, industrial, mining, military, and government. Hopefully that'll provide the segmentation that you need.

Speaker #4: The margins that we experienced in the Gemini group down in the States were only 14% for the quarter. That's not traditionally where they would land.

Speaker #4: They'd normally be up quite a bit higher than that. But because they were commissioning finalizing of probably four to five different projects, the margins on those projects were smaller.

Speaker #4: They just happened to all land at the same time. And as I mentioned, going into Q3, as we ramp up production for a number of wastewater facilities, those margins will go up probably about 5% for that group.

Speaker #4: So happy to share those numbers, and if you do look in the notes to the financials, we break out the segments. And then we also break out our four groups that we market into.

Speaker #4: So commercial, industrial, mining, military, and government. So hopefully, that'll provide the segmentation that you need.

Speaker #8: Okay. That's great. Thank you. And from a growth point of view, you're saying more growth in the technology side of things or in the services side of things?

Bruce Lazenby: Okay, that's great. Thank you. From a growth point of view, you're seeing more growth in the technology side of things or in the services side of things?

[Analyst] (National Capital Investors): Okay, that's great. Thank you. From a growth point of view, you're seeing more growth in the technology side of things or in the services side of things?

Speaker #4: I think oh, go ahead, Scott.

Dan Hilton: I think. Oh, go ahead, Scott.

Dan Hilton: I think. Oh, go ahead, Scott

Scott MacFabe: The pipeline for military water is very robust, and it's to a position where we have to be careful how we communicate it. The opportunities there are substantial. The opportunities or the pipeline that we see down in the US, especially southern US and the Caribbean, are equally so. The difference is, I think down in the States, there seems to be a higher demand for the wastewater products that Gemini produces as well, not just the clean water products. As Dan mentioned, they're even more profitable. The backlog for Gemini, as Dan mentioned, is very strong, and the opportunity to grow there is definitely in place. That's why we're confident about dealing with an expansion or executing expansion. WaterTech definitely has a lot going on and has a great pipeline, and we expect to close on that and execute on it.

Speaker #5: The pipeline for military water is very robust. And it's to a position where we have to be careful how we communicate it. But the opportunities there are substantial.

Speaker #5: The opportunities of the pipeline that we see down in the US, especially southern US and the Caribbean, are equally so. And so but the difference is, I think, down in the States, there seems to be a higher demand for the wastewater products, the Gemini produces as well, not just the clean water products.

Speaker #5: As Dan mentioned, they're even more profitable. So, the backlog for Gemini, as Dan mentioned, is very strong, and the opportunity to grow there is definitely in place.

Speaker #5: That's why we're confident about dealing with an expansion or executing expansion. So water tech definitely has a lot going on and has a great pipeline.

Speaker #5: And we expect to close on that and execute on it. The professional services side of the business is steady, and as Dan mentioned, the margins are much higher.

Scott MacFabe: The professional services side of the business is steady on, as Dan mentioned, the margins are much higher. The complement of that business with the technology side gives us some diversity in how we generate our revenue. The growth there is going to be mostly organic. We don't anticipate adding more to that roster. I think that business is well-represented, and I think right now it's just deep into deployment. The more we deploy and the deeper we deploy in professional services, then the more EBITDA we can generate. Really that, I wouldn't expect step change growth in professional services, but I would hope to see a big lift in their ability to generate positive EBITDA.

Speaker #5: And so, the complement of that business with the technology side gives us some diversity in how we generate our revenue. The growth there is going to be mostly organic.

Speaker #5: We don't anticipate adding more to that roster. I think that business is well represented, and I think right now, it's just deep into deployment.

Speaker #5: The more we deploy and the deeper we deploy in professional services, then the more evident we can generate. And so really, that I wouldn't expect step change growth in professional services, but I would hope to see a big lift in their ability to generate positive EBITDA.

Speaker #8: That's great. Thank you. And continue great success.

Bruce Lazenby: That's great. Thank you, and continue great success.

[Analyst] (National Capital Investors): That's great. Thank you, and continue great success.

Speaker #5: Thank you, Bruce. Nice to hear from you.

Scott MacFabe: Thank you, Bruce. Nice to hear from you.

Speaker #6: I'd like to ask a question, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to Scott.

Operator: If you would like to ask a question, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to Scott.

Speaker #4: Thank you, operator. And again, thank you for everybody for joining the call with us today. We appreciate your attendance and your support. Definitely know that Blue Metric right now is at the confluence of an opportunity for us to execute on and we're keenly aware of what our goals and objectives are to achieve them.

Scott MacFabe: Thank you, operator. Again, thank you for everybody for joining the call with us today. We appreciate your attendance and your support. Definitely know that BluMetric right now is at the confluence of an opportunity for us to execute on, and we're keenly aware of what our goals and objectives are to achieve them. We're very confident in that. Again, thank you for your patience and your investment, and do know we're working hard at executing in the H2 of the year, which we intend to show excellent results. Thank you.

Speaker #4: And we're very confident in that. So again, thank you for your patience and your investment. And do know we're working hard at executing in the second half of the year, during which we intend to show excellent results.

Speaker #4: Thank you.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.