Q4 2026 Worley Ltd Earnings Call
Operator: Session. To ask a question during the session, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Chief Executive Officer, Chris Ashton.
Operator: Session. To ask a question during the session, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Chief Executive Officer, Chris Ashton.
Speaker #1: Session to answer questions during the session. Please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again.
Speaker #1: Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. And I'd like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Chief Executive Officer Chris Ashton.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And welcome, everyone, for joining Worley's full year results presentation for the 2026 financial year. As usual, I'll draw your attention to the disclaimer on slide 2.
Chris Ashton: Thank you, and welcome, everyone, for joining Worley's full-year results presentation for the 2026 financial year. As usual, I draw your attention to the disclaimer on Slide 2. I would first like to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation, the traditional custodians of the land from which I am calling today, and I pay my respects to their elders, past and present, and to the emerging leaders. Turning to Slide 3, I will begin with business performance. Justine will then take you through the financial results, and I will return to cover our strategy and outlook. It is fair to say FY26 was a story of two halves, with resilient results and strong momentum in the first half, followed by a more challenging second half. The main factor impacting our growth this financial year was the conflict in the Middle East.
Chris Ashton: Thank you, and welcome, everyone, for joining Worley's full-year results presentation for the 2026 financial year. As usual, I draw your attention to the disclaimer on Slide 2. I would first like to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation, the traditional custodians of the land from which I am calling today, and I pay my respects to their elders, past and present, and to the emerging leaders. Turning to Slide 3, I will begin with business performance. Justine will then take you through the financial results, and I will return to cover our strategy and outlook. It is fair to say FY26 was a story of two halves, with resilient results and strong momentum in the first half, followed by a more challenging second half. The main factor impacting our growth this financial year was the conflict in the Middle East.
Speaker #2: At first, slide 2 acknowledged the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation, the traditional custodians of the land from which I'm calling today. And I pay my respects to their elders past and present, and to the emerging leaders.
Speaker #2: Turning to slide 3, I'll begin with business performance, Justine will then take you through the financial results, and I'll return to cover our strategy and outlook.
Speaker #2: It's fair to say FY26 was a story of two halves, with resilient results and strong momentum in the first half, followed by a more challenging second half.
Speaker #2: The main factor impacting our growth this financial year was the conflict in the Middle East, together with foreign currency transaction impact. We weren't able to achieve our FY26 outlook expectations.
Chris Ashton: Together with foreign currency translation impact, we were not able to achieve our FY26 outlook expectations. We have also navigated softer conditions in some markets, but elsewhere, activity remains strong, particularly in the Americas, and we stayed close to our customers, secured significant contract wins, and maintained a healthy pipeline supported by strong demand drivers. During the year, we repositioned resources toward areas of stronger demand and reset the cost base to support future growth. At our Investor Day in May, we outlined our growth strategy, focusing on winning more full project delivery work and leveraging our expertise in complex critical infrastructure to expand into adjacent markets, and we are already seeing good traction. This year saw significant progress in delivering Venture Global CP2 LNG project in the US, and both Phase 1 and Phase 2 reached full and final investment decision.
Chris Ashton: Together with foreign currency translation impact, we were not able to achieve our FY26 outlook expectations. We have also navigated softer conditions in some markets, but elsewhere, activity remains strong, particularly in the Americas, and we stayed close to our customers, secured significant contract wins, and maintained a healthy pipeline supported by strong demand drivers. During the year, we repositioned resources toward areas of stronger demand and reset the cost base to support future growth. At our Investor Day in May, we outlined our growth strategy, focusing on winning more full project delivery work and leveraging our expertise in complex critical infrastructure to expand into adjacent markets, and we are already seeing good traction. This year saw significant progress in delivering Venture Global CP2 LNG project in the US, and both Phase 1 and Phase 2 reached full and final investment decision.
Speaker #2: We've also navigated softer conditions in some markets, but elsewhere activity remained strong, particularly in the Americas, and we've stayed close to our customers, secured significant contract wins, and maintained a healthy pipeline, supported by strong demand drivers.
Speaker #2: During the year, we repositioned resources toward areas of stronger demand and reset the cost base to support future growth. And at our investor day in May, we outlined our growth strategy, focusing on winning more full-project delivery work and leveraging our expertise in complex critical infrastructure to expand into adjacent markets.
Speaker #2: And we're already seeing good traction. This year saw significant progress in delivering venture global CP2 LNG project in the U.S., and both phase 1 and phase 2 reached full and final investment decision.
Speaker #2: And more recently, we were named as the preferred bidder on Juniper's Conner Quay low-carbon power project in the U.K. There is strong evidence of momentum in major EPC and EPCM contract wins, reinforcing our competence in medium-term growth.
Chris Ashton: More recently, we were named as the preferred bidder on Uniper's Connah's Quay low-carbon power project in the UK. There is strong evidence of momentum in major EPC and EPCM contract wins, reinforcing our confidence in medium-term growth. Turning to Slide 4, I am now going to take you through the headline numbers where aggregated revenue was AUD 12 billion, broadly in line with FY25, and on a constant currency basis, revenue of AUD 12.3 billion, showing a growth of 2.3%. Growth was 5.4% in the first half and softer activities with segments within segments of chemicals and the Middle East conflict impacted the second half. Underlying EBITA was AUD 734 million, reflecting these factors along with the impact of FX translation. On a constant currency basis, underlying EBITA was AUD 773 million.
Chris Ashton: More recently, we were named as the preferred bidder on Uniper's Connah's Quay low-carbon power project in the UK. There is strong evidence of momentum in major EPC and EPCM contract wins, reinforcing our confidence in medium-term growth. Turning to Slide 4, I am now going to take you through the headline numbers where aggregated revenue was AUD 12 billion, broadly in line with FY25, and on a constant currency basis, revenue of AUD 12.3 billion, showing a growth of 2.3%. Growth was 5.4% in the first half and softer activities with segments within segments of chemicals and the Middle East conflict impacted the second half. Underlying EBITA was AUD 734 million, reflecting these factors along with the impact of FX translation. On a constant currency basis, underlying EBITA was AUD 773 million.
Speaker #2: Turning to slide 4, I'm now going to take you through the headline numbers, where aggregated revenue was $12 billion, broadly in line with FY25, and on a constant currency basis, revenue of $12.3 billion showing a growth of 2.3%.
Speaker #2: Growth was 5.4% in the first half, and soft activities with segments within segments of chemicals market and the Middle East conflict impacted the second half.
Speaker #2: Underlying EBITDA was $734 million, reflecting these factors along with the impact of FX translation. On a constant currency basis, underlying EBITDA was $773 million.
Speaker #2: We made margin resilience and cash generation remain strong, with normalized cash conversion at 93.6%, well within our target range, reflecting continued operating discipline. Supporting future performance, cost initiatives, and business restructuring set our cost base, and we expect improved earnings momentum into FY27.
Chris Ashton: We remain margin resilient and cash generation remains strong, with normalized cash conversion at 93.6%, well within our target range, reflecting continued operating discipline. Supporting future performance, cost initiatives, and business restructuring set our cost base, and we expect improved earnings momentum into FY27. Our outlook expectation for FY27 is mid to high single-digit growth in revenue and underlying EBITA, and I will talk more about how we get to this through the group outlook. Looking further ahead, the opportunity remains compelling. Worley is positioned at the center of the long-term need for secure and affordable energy, chemicals, and resources, with the customer relationships, we scale and the expertise to deliver more full project delivery work and expand into higher growth markets. That is how we deliver our FY30 ambition. Turning to Slide 5.
Chris Ashton: We remain margin resilient and cash generation remains strong, with normalized cash conversion at 93.6%, well within our target range, reflecting continued operating discipline. Supporting future performance, cost initiatives, and business restructuring set our cost base, and we expect improved earnings momentum into FY27. Our outlook expectation for FY27 is mid to high single-digit growth in revenue and underlying EBITA, and I will talk more about how we get to this through the group outlook. Looking further ahead, the opportunity remains compelling. Worley is positioned at the center of the long-term need for secure and affordable energy, chemicals, and resources, with the customer relationships, we scale and the expertise to deliver more full project delivery work and expand into higher growth markets. That is how we deliver our FY30 ambition. Turning to Slide 5.
Speaker #2: Our outlook expectation for FY27 is mid to high single-digit growth in revenue and underlying EBITDA, and I'll talk more about this how we get to this through the group outlook.
Speaker #2: Looking further ahead, the opportunity remains compelling. Worley is positioned at the center of the long-term need for secure and affordable energy, chemicals, and resources, with the customer relationships we've scale and the expertise to deliver more full-project delivery work and expand into higher growth markets.
Speaker #2: And that is how we deliver our FY30 ambition. Turning to slide 5, our highest priority has always been keeping our people safe, and we had another year of strong safety performance, notable given the nature of some of the environments in which we operate, including in particular the conflict in the Middle East this year.
Chris Ashton: Our highest priority has always been on keeping our people safe, and we had another year of strong safety performance. This is notable, given the nature of some of the environments in which we operate, including in particular, the conflict in the Middle East this year. Our total recordable frequency rate has improved to 0.07, and our serious case frequency rate improved to 0.006. That performance matters. It reflects the discipline and care of our teams around the world. I cannot overstate how deeply proud the board, my leadership team and I are of our people in the Middle East. Their professionalism and dedication to supporting our customers while continuing to deliver through periods of intense military activity and heightened security risk has been nothing short of extraordinary.
Chris Ashton: Our highest priority has always been on keeping our people safe, and we had another year of strong safety performance. This is notable, given the nature of some of the environments in which we operate, including in particular, the conflict in the Middle East this year. Our total recordable frequency rate has improved to 0.07, and our serious case frequency rate improved to 0.006. That performance matters. It reflects the discipline and care of our teams around the world. I cannot overstate how deeply proud the board, my leadership team and I are of our people in the Middle East. Their professionalism and dedication to supporting our customers while continuing to deliver through periods of intense military activity and heightened security risk has been nothing short of extraordinary.
Speaker #2: Our total recordable frequency rate has improved to 0.07, and our serious case frequency rate improved to 0.006. That performance matters. It reflects the discipline and care of our teams around the world.
Speaker #2: I cannot overstate how deeply proud the board, my leadership team, and I are of our people in the Middle East. Their professionalism and dedication to supporting our customers while continuing to deliver through periods of intense military activity and heightened security risk has been nothing short of extraordinary.
Speaker #2: Our leaders and our three teams have worked tirelessly to support our people and our customers throughout this period. And I'm pleased that our workforce of more than 4,000 people, along with their families, within the region, remains safe.
Chris Ashton: Our leaders and our OpEx teams have worked tirelessly to support our people and our customers throughout this period, and I am pleased that our workforce of more than 4,000 people, along with their families within the region, remain safe, and we will continue to focus on keeping our people safe and supporting our customers. On ESG performance, we strengthened modern slavery reporting and have reduced emissions by 76% from our 2020 base. We published our Australian mandatory sustainability reporting disclosures in our annual report, in line with the new reporting and disclosure requirements. Turning to Slide 6. As I mentioned, FY26 was challenging, but the drivers of growth remain firmly in place. Strong demand fundamentals continue to support activity across the broader portfolio, particularly in the Americas, offsetting softer operating conditions in some markets.
Chris Ashton: Our leaders and our OpEx teams have worked tirelessly to support our people and our customers throughout this period, and I am pleased that our workforce of more than 4,000 people, along with their families within the region, remain safe, and we will continue to focus on keeping our people safe and supporting our customers. On ESG performance, we strengthened modern slavery reporting and have reduced emissions by 76% from our 2020 base. We published our Australian mandatory sustainability reporting disclosures in our annual report, in line with the new reporting and disclosure requirements. Turning to Slide 6. As I mentioned, FY26 was challenging, but the drivers of growth remain firmly in place. Strong demand fundamentals continue to support activity across the broader portfolio, particularly in the Americas, offsetting softer operating conditions in some markets.
Speaker #2: And we'll continue to focus on keeping our people safe and supporting our customers. On ESG performance, we strengthened modern slavery reporting and have reduced emissions by 76% from our 2020 base.
Speaker #2: We've published our Australian mandatory sustainability reporting disclosures in our annual report in line with the new reporting and disclosure requirements. Turning to slide 6, as I mentioned, FY26 was challenging, but the drivers of growth remained firmly in place.
Speaker #2: Strong demand fundamentals continued to support activity across the broader portfolio, particularly in the Americas, offsetting softer operating conditions in some markets. In the second half of the year, the Middle East conflict led to project delays and resulted in lower volumes impacting growth.
Chris Ashton: In the H2 of the year, the Middle East conflict led to project delays and resulted in lower volumes impacting growth. We provided the market with updates on the impact to our business as it became known. The conflict has continued for longer than anyone anticipated, and the timing of recovery remains uncertain. Throughout this period, we stayed close to our customers and supported them where we can. This has strengthened those relationships and positions us well as the deferred work begins to return, which is what we are seeing. As noted, FX translation also weighed on the reported results. Turning to Slide 7. What differentiates Worley is the breadth of capabilities and global scale we bring to customers around the world. We have a capital-light business model, longstanding customer relationships, and diversified earnings across geographic regions and across energy, chemicals, and resources.
Chris Ashton: In the H2 of the year, the Middle East conflict led to project delays and resulted in lower volumes impacting growth. We provided the market with updates on the impact to our business as it became known. The conflict has continued for longer than anyone anticipated, and the timing of recovery remains uncertain. Throughout this period, we stayed close to our customers and supported them where we can. This has strengthened those relationships and positions us well as the deferred work begins to return, which is what we are seeing. As noted, FX translation also weighed on the reported results. Turning to Slide 7. What differentiates Worley is the breadth of capabilities and global scale we bring to customers around the world. We have a capital-light business model, longstanding customer relationships, and diversified earnings across geographic regions and across energy, chemicals, and resources.
Speaker #2: And we provided the market with updates on the impact to our business as it became known. The conflict has continued for longer than anyone anticipated, and the timing of recovery remains uncertain.
Speaker #2: Throughout this period, we stayed close to our customers and supported them where we can. This has strengthened those relationships and positioned us well as the deferred work begins to return, which is what we're seeing.
Speaker #2: As noted, FX translation also weighed on the reported results. Turning to slide 7, what differentiates Worley is the breadth of capabilities and global scale we bring to customers around the world.
Speaker #2: We have a capital A business model longstanding customer relationships and diversified earnings across geographic regions and across energy, chemicals, and resources. Our capability and expertise across the full project lifecycle continue to underpin our growth strategy.
Chris Ashton: Our capability and expertise across the full project lifecycle continue to underpin our growth strategy. Professional services remain at our core, with construction, fabrication, and procurement growing as customers engage us across more of their capital programs. That shift is deliberate and supports our FY30 growth ambition. Turning to slide 8. Our leading indicators continue to show strong demand and support confidence in our FY30 ambition. The factored sales pipeline increased 24%, with the greatest momentum coming from the Americas and EMEA. The pipeline of opportunities has grown as Worley builds its portfolio in reimbursable EPC and EPCM workscopes and future-facing growth markets. We are strengthening early-stage consulting positions to capture opportunities in full project delivery. Bookings for the year were AUD 15.5 billion, supported by wins predominantly across energy and resources. 44% of these wins have been sole source, reinforcing the confidence customers have in Worley.
Chris Ashton: Our capability and expertise across the full project lifecycle continue to underpin our growth strategy. Professional services remain at our core, with construction, fabrication, and procurement growing as customers engage us across more of their capital programs. That shift is deliberate and supports our FY30 growth ambition. Turning to slide 8. Our leading indicators continue to show strong demand and support confidence in our FY30 ambition. The factored sales pipeline increased 24%, with the greatest momentum coming from the Americas and EMEA. The pipeline of opportunities has grown as Worley builds its portfolio in reimbursable EPC and EPCM workscopes and future-facing growth markets. We are strengthening early-stage consulting positions to capture opportunities in full project delivery. Bookings for the year were AUD 15.5 billion, supported by wins predominantly across energy and resources. 44% of these wins have been sole source, reinforcing the confidence customers have in Worley.
Speaker #2: Professional services remain at our core. With construction, fabrication, and procurement growing, as customers engage us across more of their capital programs, and that shift is deliberate and supports our FY30 growth ambition.
Speaker #2: Turning to slide 8, our leading indicators continue to show strong demand and support confidence in our FY30 ambition. The fact that sales pipeline increased 24% with the greatest momentum coming from the Americas and EMEA.
Speaker #2: The pipeline of opportunities has grown as Worley builds its portfolio and reimbursable EPC and EPCM work scopes and future-facing growth markets. We're strengthening early-stage consulting positions to capture opportunities in full-project delivery.
Speaker #2: Bookings for the year were 15.5 billion, supported by wins predominantly across energy and resources. 44% of these wins have been sole source, reinforcing the confidence customers have in Worley.
Speaker #2: As I've said, both phase one and phase two of CP2 were booked during the course of the financial year. Note that we'd already provided enduring procurement and construction services planning under a reimbursable contract, so only the remaining scope of work moved into backlog.
Chris Ashton: As I have said, both phase I and phase II of CP2 were booked during the course of the financial year. Note, that would only provide an engineering, procurement, construction services planning under a reimbursable contract to only the remaining scope of work moved into backlog. Backlog increased 9% over the 12 months to AUD 13.8 billion, with over 62% of that expected to be delivered in the next 12 months. This is down on AUD 16.7 billion reported at the half year due to major project work being delivered in the H2 and timing of new awards. As we noted at Investor Day in May, we removed ExxonMobil's Baytown Blue project, which remains on course. FX translation also had a bearing on backlog, which would have been AUD 15 billion on a constant currency basis. The focus on FY27 is clear.
Chris Ashton: As I have said, both phase I and phase II of CP2 were booked during the course of the financial year. Note, that would only provide an engineering, procurement, construction services planning under a reimbursable contract to only the remaining scope of work moved into backlog. Backlog increased 9% over the 12 months to AUD 13.8 billion, with over 62% of that expected to be delivered in the next 12 months. This is down on AUD 16.7 billion reported at the half year due to major project work being delivered in the H2 and timing of new awards. As we noted at Investor Day in May, we removed ExxonMobil's Baytown Blue project, which remains on course. FX translation also had a bearing on backlog, which would have been AUD 15 billion on a constant currency basis. The focus on FY27 is clear.
Speaker #2: Backlog increased 9% over the 12 months to 13.8 billion, with over 62% of that expected to be delivered in the next 12 months. This is down on 16.7 billion reported the half year due to major project work being delivered in the second half and timing of new awards.
Speaker #2: As we noted, an investor day in May, we removed ExxonMobil's Baytown Blue project, which remains on pause. FX translation also had a bearing on backlog, which would have been 15 billion on a constant currency basis.
Speaker #2: The focus on FY27 is clear. Continuing to deliver backlog, driving revenue growth, and converting near-term pipeline opportunities into wins. Moving on to slide 9, our strategy to win more full-project delivery scope is supporting our confidence in achieving our FY30 growth ambition.
Chris Ashton: Continuing to deliver backlog, driving revenue growth, and converting near-term pipeline opportunities into wins. Moving on to slide 9. Our strategy to win more full project delivery scope is supporting our confidence in achieving our FY30 growth ambition. We are focused on identifying opportunities in reimbursable EPC, EPCM workscopes within our pipeline, and more than 45% of our current backlog consists of active EPC, EPCM projects. Our strategy is showing early success. You will have seen the strategic project wins we have announced to the market over the course of the year. These wins span both our existing core markets and targeted future-facing growth markets and reflect both established relationships and new customer relationships. We are working closely with leading global customers in high-demand growth markets. In FY26, we booked more than AUD 10 billion of wins in our identified growth markets.
Chris Ashton: Continuing to deliver backlog, driving revenue growth, and converting near-term pipeline opportunities into wins. Moving on to slide 9. Our strategy to win more full project delivery scope is supporting our confidence in achieving our FY30 growth ambition. We are focused on identifying opportunities in reimbursable EPC, EPCM workscopes within our pipeline, and more than 45% of our current backlog consists of active EPC, EPCM projects. Our strategy is showing early success. You will have seen the strategic project wins we have announced to the market over the course of the year. These wins span both our existing core markets and targeted future-facing growth markets and reflect both established relationships and new customer relationships. We are working closely with leading global customers in high-demand growth markets. In FY26, we booked more than AUD 10 billion of wins in our identified growth markets.
Speaker #2: We're focused on identifying opportunities and reimbursable EPC, EPCM work scopes within our pipeline and more than 45% of our current backlog consists of active EPC, EPCM projects.
Speaker #2: Our strategy is showing early success. You'll have seen the strategic project wins we've announced the market over the course of the year. These wins span both our existing core markets and targeted future-facing growth markets and reflect both established relationships and new customer relationships.
Speaker #2: We're working closely with leading global customers in high-demand growth markets. In FY26, we booked more than 10 billion of wins in our identified growth markets.
Speaker #2: Since year-end, we've continued that momentum, securing contract wins across power, copper, integrated gas, and other energy projects. And we've highlighted those project wins, which form part of our major projects and programs on this slide.
Chris Ashton: Since year-end, we have continued that momentum, securing contract wins across power, copper, integrated gas, and other energy projects. We have highlighted those project wins, which form part of our major projects and programs, on this slide. Energy remains our largest sector with strong underlying demand drivers. Aggregated revenue increased 8% to AUD 6.4 billion, supported by major EPC projects moving into execution. Integrated gas and LNG in particular remains a key driver of growth, and project timing is influenced by regulatory approvals. The Middle East remains an important market for Worley. Our long-standing customer relationships across the region have led customers to engage us on damage assessments, reconstruction planning, and advice to support resilient rebuilding when conditions allow. Power infrastructure is becoming increasingly important, supported by rising electricity demand from data centers and investment across gas-fired generation, renewables, and nuclear, representing a strong growth opportunity for Worley.
Chris Ashton: Since year-end, we have continued that momentum, securing contract wins across power, copper, integrated gas, and other energy projects. We have highlighted those project wins, which form part of our major projects and programs, on this slide. Energy remains our largest sector with strong underlying demand drivers. Aggregated revenue increased 8% to AUD 6.4 billion, supported by major EPC projects moving into execution. Integrated gas and LNG in particular remains a key driver of growth, and project timing is influenced by regulatory approvals. The Middle East remains an important market for Worley. Our long-standing customer relationships across the region have led customers to engage us on damage assessments, reconstruction planning, and advice to support resilient rebuilding when conditions allow. Power infrastructure is becoming increasingly important, supported by rising electricity demand from data centers and investment across gas-fired generation, renewables, and nuclear, representing a strong growth opportunity for Worley.
Speaker #2: Energy remains our largest sector, with strong underlying demand drivers. Aggregated revenue increased 8% to 16.4 billion, supported by major EPC projects, moving into execution.
Speaker #2: Integrated gas and LNG, particularly, in particular, remains a key driver of growth, and project timing has influenced by regulatory approvals. The Middle East remains an important market for Worley.
Speaker #2: Our longstanding customer relationships across the region have led customers to engage us on damage assessments, reconstruction planning, and advice to support resilient rebuilding when conditions allow.
Speaker #2: Power infrastructure is becoming increasingly important, supported by rising electricity demand from data centers and investment across gas-fired generation, renewables, and nuclear, representing a strong growth opportunity for Worley.
Speaker #2: Moving on to slide 12, universe corners key project in the UK, reflects a major opportunity for us in the power infrastructure. The planned development of the project combines growing electricity demand, energy security, and emissions reduction, and is representative of the growth and opportunities we're seeing in our pipeline.
Chris Ashton: Moving on to slide 12. Uniper's Connah's Quay project in the UK reflects a major opportunity for us in power infrastructure. The planned development of the project combines growing electricity demand, energy security, and emissions reduction and is representative of the growth and opportunities we are seeing in our pipeline. Moving on to chemicals and slide 13. Chemicals remains an important long-term market, although conditions were challenging in 2026 and are likely to remain so in 2027. Aggregated revenue declined 22% to AUD 2.4 billion, reflecting project cancellations such as Shell's Red II Green project and lower activity in some regions, particularly where the market is still working through oversupply. At the same time, we continue to see investment in refining and asset optimization, including debottlenecking, product slate changes, decarbonization, and life extension projects.
Chris Ashton: Moving on to slide 12. Uniper's Connah's Quay project in the UK reflects a major opportunity for us in power infrastructure. The planned development of the project combines growing electricity demand, energy security, and emissions reduction and is representative of the growth and opportunities we are seeing in our pipeline. Moving on to chemicals and slide 13. Chemicals remains an important long-term market, although conditions were challenging in 2026 and are likely to remain so in 2027. Aggregated revenue declined 22% to AUD 2.4 billion, reflecting project cancellations such as Shell's Red II Green project and lower activity in some regions, particularly where the market is still working through oversupply. At the same time, we continue to see investment in refining and asset optimization, including debottlenecking, product slate changes, decarbonization, and life extension projects.
Speaker #2: Moving on to chemicals and slide 13, chemicals remains an important long-term market, although conditions were challenging in '26 and the likelihood to remain so in '27.
Speaker #2: Aggregated revenue declined 22% to 2.4 billion, reflecting project cancellations such as Shell's Red to Green project and lower activity in some regions, particularly where the market is still working through oversupply.
Speaker #2: And at the same time, we continue to see investment in refining and asset optimization, including debottlenecking products like Change's, decarbonization, and life extension projects.
Speaker #2: Petrochemical rationalization and low-carbon fuels represent opportunities with project progression to final investment decision, the important indicator over the next 12 months. Moving to slide 14, Heidelberg's Padswood project highlights the continued investment we're seeing in industrial-scale decarbonization.
Chris Ashton: Petrochemical rationalization and low carbon fuels represent opportunities with project progression to final investment decision, the important indicator over the next 12 months. Moving to slide 14. Heidelberg Materials' Padeswood project highlights the continued investment we are seeing in industrial scale decarbonization. This project demonstrates how our EPCM capability helps customers reduce emissions from existing operations while developing critical carbon capture infrastructure. Moving on to resources. Resources being our fastest-growing sector over the last four years. In FY26, aggregated revenue increased 6% to AUD 3.3 billion. Growth this year was driven by increased activity across mine fertilizers, copper, and battery materials, while with continued investment in iron ore. We are also seeing an uplift in demand across the aluminum value chain. Copper is critical. Electrification, data centers, and grid investment continue to support long-term demand growth. Both brownfield expansions and greenfield developments will be needed to close the supply gap.
Chris Ashton: Petrochemical rationalization and low carbon fuels represent opportunities with project progression to final investment decision, the important indicator over the next 12 months. Moving to slide 14. Heidelberg Materials' Padeswood project highlights the continued investment we are seeing in industrial scale decarbonization. This project demonstrates how our EPCM capability helps customers reduce emissions from existing operations while developing critical carbon capture infrastructure. Moving on to resources. Resources being our fastest-growing sector over the last four years. In FY26, aggregated revenue increased 6% to AUD 3.3 billion. Growth this year was driven by increased activity across mine fertilizers, copper, and battery materials, while with continued investment in iron ore. We are also seeing an uplift in demand across the aluminum value chain. Copper is critical. Electrification, data centers, and grid investment continue to support long-term demand growth. Both brownfield expansions and greenfield developments will be needed to close the supply gap.
Speaker #2: This project demonstrates how our EPCM capability helps customers reduce emissions from existing operations, while developing critical carbon capture infrastructure. Moving on to resources, resources being our fastest-growing sector over the last four years.
Speaker #2: In FY26, aggregated revenue increased 6% to 3.3 billion. Growth this year was driven by increased activity across mine fertilizers, copper, and battery materials, while with continued investment in iron ore.
Speaker #2: We're also seeing an uplift in demand across the aluminium value chain. Copper is critical. Electrification, data centers, and grid investment continue to support long-term demand growth.
Speaker #2: Both brownfield expansions and greenfield developments will be needed to close the supply gap. We've won contracts with 16 customers for copper projects this financial year Fertilizers and fertilizer projects are supported by population growth and food security, although the Middle East conflict is affecting sulfur supply and phosphate projects in North Africa, while potash projects continue to progress at pace.
Chris Ashton: We have won contracts with 16 customers for copper projects this financial year alone. Fertilizers and fertilizer projects are supported by population growth and food security. Although the Middle East conflict is affecting sulfur supply and phosphate projects in North Africa, while potash projects continue to progress at pace. Battery materials are showing signs of renewed activity. We are seeing a stronger pipeline and broader value chain exposure from mineral extraction through to active materials and recycling. BHP's Jansen Potash project reflects the attractive long-term fundamentals supporting fertilizer demand and global food security. The project demonstrates how we bring together fabrication, modularization, and construction services to support delivery of one of the world's largest potash developments. I am now going to hand over to Justine to talk you through the financial results in more detail.
Chris Ashton: We have won contracts with 16 customers for copper projects this financial year alone. Fertilizers and fertilizer projects are supported by population growth and food security. Although the Middle East conflict is affecting sulfur supply and phosphate projects in North Africa, while potash projects continue to progress at pace. Battery materials are showing signs of renewed activity. We are seeing a stronger pipeline and broader value chain exposure from mineral extraction through to active materials and recycling. BHP's Jansen Potash project reflects the attractive long-term fundamentals supporting fertilizer demand and global food security. The project demonstrates how we bring together fabrication, modularization, and construction services to support delivery of one of the world's largest potash developments. I am now going to hand over to Justine to talk you through the financial results in more detail.
Speaker #2: Battery materials are showing signs of renewed activity, we're seeing a stronger pipeline and broader value chain exposure from mineral extraction through to active materials and recycling.
Speaker #2: BHP's Janssen Potash project reflects the attractive long-term fundamentals supporting fertilizer demand and global food security. The project demonstrates how we bring together fabrication, modularization, and construction services to support delivery of one of the world's largest potash developments.
Speaker #2: I'm now going to hand over to Justine to talk you through the financial results in more detail.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. Before I take you through the detail, I want to highlight three key points that provide context for our FY26 performance and how we're positioned moving forward.
Justine Travers: Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. Before I take you through the detail, I want to highlight three key points that provide context for our FY26 performance and how we are positioned moving forward. First, activity levels across much of the business remained strong during the year. While earnings were impacted by disruption in the Middle East and softer activity in parts of the chemicals market, we continued to secure significant contract wins, supporting booking and backlog growth, which provides line of sight to future earnings. Second, we have taken targeted actions to simplify the business, reduce structural costs, and improve efficiency. These actions help strengthen the business today while also creating capacity to selectively reinvest in priority growth opportunities. Third, we have maintained a strong financial position throughout the year.
Justine Travers: Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. Before I take you through the detail, I want to highlight three key points that provide context for our FY26 performance and how we are positioned moving forward. First, activity levels across much of the business remained strong during the year. While earnings were impacted by disruption in the Middle East and softer activity in parts of the chemicals market, we continued to secure significant contract wins, supporting booking and backlog growth, which provides line of sight to future earnings. Second, we have taken targeted actions to simplify the business, reduce structural costs, and improve efficiency. These actions help strengthen the business today while also creating capacity to selectively reinvest in priority growth opportunities. Third, we have maintained a strong financial position throughout the year.
Speaker #1: First, activity levels across much of the business remain strong during the year, and while earnings were impacted by disruption in the Middle East and soft activity in parts of the chemicals market, we continue to secure significant contract wins supporting booking and backlog growth, which provides line-of-sight to future earnings.
Speaker #1: Second, we've taken targeted actions to simplify the business, reduce structural cost, and improve efficiency. These actions help strengthen the business today while also creating capacity to selectively reinvest in priority growth opportunities.
Speaker #1: And third, we've maintained a strong financial position throughout the year. Our balance sheet and cash generation provide the flexibility to invest in our ambition, navigate near-term uncertainty, and continue returning capital to shareholders.
Justine Travers: Our balance sheet and cash generation provide the flexibility to invest in our ambition, navigate near-term uncertainty, and continue returning capital to shareholders. With that context, let me take you through the results in more details, turning to slide 18. Aggregated revenue for the 2026 financial year was AUD 12 billion, broadly in line with FY25. On a constant currency basis, aggregated revenue was AUD 12.3 billion. Underlying EBITA was AUD 734 million. The adverse impact of the Middle East conflict on earnings was AUD 58 million, in line with what we had communicated in our 25 June update. As Chris noted, the foreign exchange translation impact had a bearing on the result. EBITA margin on an ex procurement basis was 9% and on a constant currency basis in line with FY25 and remained within our outlook range. One-off costs related to restructuring activities for the full year were AUD 120 million.
Justine Travers: Our balance sheet and cash generation provide the flexibility to invest in our ambition, navigate near-term uncertainty, and continue returning capital to shareholders. With that context, let me take you through the results in more details, turning to slide 18. Aggregated revenue for the 2026 financial year was AUD 12 billion, broadly in line with FY25. On a constant currency basis, aggregated revenue was AUD 12.3 billion. Underlying EBITA was AUD 734 million. The adverse impact of the Middle East conflict on earnings was AUD 58 million, in line with what we had communicated in our 25 June update. As Chris noted, the foreign exchange translation impact had a bearing on the result. EBITA margin on an ex procurement basis was 9% and on a constant currency basis in line with FY25 and remained within our outlook range. One-off costs related to restructuring activities for the full year were AUD 120 million.
Speaker #1: With that context, let me take you through the results in more details and turning to slide 18. Aggregated revenue for the 2026 financial year was $12 billion, broadly in line with FY25.
Speaker #1: On a constant currency basis, aggregated revenue was $12.3 billion. Underlying EBITDA was $734 million. The adverse impacts of the Middle East conflict on earnings was $58 million, in line with what we had communicated in our 25th of June update.
Speaker #1: And as Chris noted, the foreign exchange translation impact had a bearing on the result. EBITDA margin on an ex-procurement basis was 9%, and on a constant currency basis, in line with FY25 and remained within our outlook range.
Speaker #1: One-off costs related to restructuring activities for the full year were $120 million, consistent with the half-year these have been excluded from underlying EBITDA, you can see the impact of these costs on our statutory NPATA.
Justine Travers: Consistent with the H1, these have been excluded from underlying EBITA. You can see the impact of these costs on our statutory NPATA. Savings from our cost management program launched this time last year have exceeded our initial target. These initiatives result in a leaner cost base to support growth, AI and digital deployment, and future earnings performance, as well as partially offsetting inflationary pressures. Normalized cash conversion remains strong at 93.6%, well within our target range of 85% to 95%, and it reflects our continued focus on cash and operating discipline. We remain in a strong financial position to support growth and return capital to shareholders. The Worley board has determined to pay a final dividend of AUD 0.25 per share unfranked. We returned AUD 359 million to our shareholders as we completed the AUD 500 million on-market share buyback in the full year 2026.
Justine Travers: Consistent with the H1, these have been excluded from underlying EBITA. You can see the impact of these costs on our statutory NPATA. Savings from our cost management program launched this time last year have exceeded our initial target. These initiatives result in a leaner cost base to support growth, AI and digital deployment, and future earnings performance, as well as partially offsetting inflationary pressures. Normalized cash conversion remains strong at 93.6%, well within our target range of 85% to 95%, and it reflects our continued focus on cash and operating discipline. We remain in a strong financial position to support growth and return capital to shareholders. The Worley board has determined to pay a final dividend of AUD 0.25 per share unfranked. We returned AUD 359 million to our shareholders as we completed the AUD 500 million on-market share buyback in the full year 2026.
Speaker #1: Savings from our cost management program launched this time last year have exceeded our initial target. These initiatives result in a leaner cost base to support growth.
Speaker #1: AI and digital deployment and future earnings performance, as well as partially offsetting inflationary pressures. Our normalized cash conversion remains strong, at 93.6%, well within our target range of $85 to $95%, and it reflects our continued focus on cash and operating discipline.
Speaker #1: We remain in a strong financial position to support growth and return capital to shareholders. The Worley Board has determined to pay a final dividend of $25 per share on Frank's, we returned $359 million to our shareholders as we completed the 500 million on-market share buyback in the full year 2026, and in May we commenced a new $300 million buyback program.
Justine Travers: In May, we commenced a new AUD 300 million buyback program. Turning to slide 19. I would now like to just talk through a number of some of the key drivers. While the aggregated revenue was AUD 12 billion, if we look at this on a constant currency basis, the result was stronger at AUD 12.3 billion, reflecting growth of 2.3%. The growth was less than what we had anticipated at the beginning of the year and highlights the headwinds we have faced as our results have been translated to Australian dollars for presentation reporting. Underlying EBITA declined from AUD 823 million to AUD 734 million.
Justine Travers: In May, we commenced a new AUD 300 million buyback program. Turning to slide 19. I would now like to just talk through a number of some of the key drivers. While the aggregated revenue was AUD 12 billion, if we look at this on a constant currency basis, the result was stronger at AUD 12.3 billion, reflecting growth of 2.3%. The growth was less than what we had anticipated at the beginning of the year and highlights the headwinds we have faced as our results have been translated to Australian dollars for presentation reporting. Underlying EBITA declined from AUD 823 million to AUD 734 million.
Speaker #1: Turning to slide 19, I'd now like to just talk through a number of some of the key drivers. While the aggregated revenue was $12 billion, if we look at this on a constant currency basis, the result was stronger at $12.3 billion, reflecting growth of 2.3%.
Speaker #1: The growth was less than what we had anticipated at the beginning of the year, and highlights the headwinds we've faced as our results have been translated to Australian dollars for presentation reporting.
Speaker #1: Underlying EBITDA declined from $823 million to $734 million. On a constant currency basis, the result was $773 million. Headwinds impacting the result were the extended conflict in the Middle East, which resulted in disruption to existing projects, although the greater impact was the delayed commencement of new awards.
Justine Travers: On a constant currency basis, the result was AUD 773 million. Headwinds impacting the result were the extended conflict in the Middle East, which resulted in disruption to existing projects, although the greater impact was the delayed commencement of new awards. We also continued to experience a slower chemicals market.
Justine Travers: On a constant currency basis, the result was AUD 773 million. Headwinds impacting the result were the extended conflict in the Middle East, which resulted in disruption to existing projects, although the greater impact was the delayed commencement of new awards. We also continued to experience a slower chemicals market.
Speaker #1: We also continue to experience a slower chemicals market. As we expand the scope of our work along the project value chain, there is a mix of margins within that expanded service offering.
Justine Travers: As we expand the scope of our work along the project value chain, there is a mix of margins within that expanded service offering. Major project activity phasing moved towards greater construction, fabrication, and procurement. This supported revenue growth and attracted a different margin profile. Our EBITA margin, excluding procurement, was within our target range, and our underlying EBITA margin, including procurement, was 6.3% on a constant currency basis. Turning to slide 20 and the translation impact. Approximately 93% of Worley's revenue is generated outside Australia, and as you can see in the chart, movements in foreign exchange was a larger translation headwind in FY26 than we have seen in recent years. During the year, the Australian dollar strengthened against multiple currencies, particularly in the H2, and this has had a direct translation impact on our Australian dollar presentation of results.
Justine Travers: As we expand the scope of our work along the project value chain, there is a mix of margins within that expanded service offering. Major project activity phasing moved towards greater construction, fabrication, and procurement. This supported revenue growth and attracted a different margin profile. Our EBITA margin, excluding procurement, was within our target range, and our underlying EBITA margin, including procurement, was 6.3% on a constant currency basis. Turning to slide 20 and the translation impact. Approximately 93% of Worley's revenue is generated outside Australia, and as you can see in the chart, movements in foreign exchange was a larger translation headwind in FY26 than we have seen in recent years. During the year, the Australian dollar strengthened against multiple currencies, particularly in the H2, and this has had a direct translation impact on our Australian dollar presentation of results.
Speaker #1: Major project activity phasing moved towards greater construction and fabrication and procurement. This supported revenue growth and attracted a different margin profile. Our EBITDA margin excluding procurement was within our target range.
Speaker #1: And our underlying EBITDA margin including procurement was 6.3% on a constant currency basis. Turning to slide 20 and the translation impacts. Approximately 93% of Worley's revenue is generated outside Australia, and as you can see in the chart, movements in foreign exchange was a larger translation headwind in FY26 than we have seen in recent years.
Speaker #1: During the year, the Australian dollar strengthened against multiple currencies. Particularly in the second half, and this has had a direct translation impact on our Australian dollar presentation of results.
Speaker #1: If FY25 average rates had applied, our FY26 EBITDA would have been 39 million dollars higher. Relative to the FX rates assumed in our FY26 outlook, the translation impact was greater.
Justine Travers: If FY25 average rates had applied, our FY26 EBITA would have been AUD 39 million higher. Relative to the FX rates assumed in our FY26 outlook, the translation impact was greater and reduced our FY26 EBITA by approximately 50 million against our outlook expectation. We have provided our results on a constant currency basis where relevant to provide a comparative view of underlying business performance. Worley is exploring a change to its reporting currency from Australian dollars to US dollars. The group currently has a substantial economic presence outside Australia, and the current and expected foreign currency earnings mix is an important consideration to evaluate a change in reporting currency, which would reduce translation volatility.
Justine Travers: If FY25 average rates had applied, our FY26 EBITA would have been AUD 39 million higher. Relative to the FX rates assumed in our FY26 outlook, the translation impact was greater and reduced our FY26 EBITA by approximately 50 million against our outlook expectation. We have provided our results on a constant currency basis where relevant to provide a comparative view of underlying business performance. Worley is exploring a change to its reporting currency from Australian dollars to US dollars. The group currently has a substantial economic presence outside Australia, and the current and expected foreign currency earnings mix is an important consideration to evaluate a change in reporting currency, which would reduce translation volatility.
Speaker #1: And reduced our FY26 EBITDA by approximately $50 million, against our outlook expectation. We've provided our results on a constant currency basis, where relevant, to provide a comparative view of underlying business performance.
Speaker #1: Worley is exploring a change to its reporting currency from Australian dollars to US dollars. The group currently has a substantial economic presence outside Australia, and the current and expected foreign currency earnings mix is an important consideration to evaluate a change in reporting currency which would reduce translation volatility.
Speaker #1: Consolidated financial results for the year ending 30 June 2027 will continue to be reported in Australian dollars. Following which results for the half and the full year to 30 June 2028 would potentially be reported in US dollars.
Justine Travers: Consolidated financial results for the year ending 30 June 2027 will continue to be reported in Australian dollars, following which results for the H1 and the full year to 30 June 2028 would potentially be reported in US dollars. We will continue to keep the market updated on this potential change. If I turn now to slide 21. During the year, we continued our efforts towards reshaping the business to strengthen future performance. We incurred 120 million of one-off costs relating to transformation and business restructuring. These costs predominantly relate to restructuring in Western Europe, where local labor protections resulted in higher severance and related costs. We incurred 82 million of these costs in the H1 and 38 million in the H2.
Justine Travers: Consolidated financial results for the year ending 30 June 2027 will continue to be reported in Australian dollars, following which results for the H1 and the full year to 30 June 2028 would potentially be reported in US dollars. We will continue to keep the market updated on this potential change. If I turn now to slide 21. During the year, we continued our efforts towards reshaping the business to strengthen future performance. We incurred 120 million of one-off costs relating to transformation and business restructuring. These costs predominantly relate to restructuring in Western Europe, where local labor protections resulted in higher severance and related costs. We incurred 82 million of these costs in the H1 and 38 million in the H2.
Speaker #1: We will continue to keep the market updated on this potential change. If I turn now to slide 21, during the year we continued our efforts towards reshaping the business to strengthen future performance.
Speaker #1: We incurred $120 million of one-off costs relating to transformation and business restructuring. These costs predominantly relate to restructuring in Western Europe, where local labor protections resulted in higher severance and related costs.
Speaker #1: We incurred $82 million of these costs in the first half, and $38 million in the second half. This was in line with our earlier guidance that we expected further costs to be incurred in the second half, but these would be lower than those already incurred in half one.
Justine Travers: This was in line with our earlier guidance that we expected further costs to be incurred in the H2, but these would be lower than those already incurred in H1. The cost-out program exceeded the initial target of AUD 100 million, and we have achieved AUD 132 million of savings. These actions are focused on resetting the cost base, aligning resources to areas of higher demand, reducing complexity, and improving scalability. The efforts of the team to take these important steps to strengthen our cost discipline and improve our earnings quality benefit shareholders in this financial year as we see this come through in lower global support costs. In addition, these savings in FY27 will partially offset inflationary pressures and be used to reinvest in strategic hires, differentiated delivery platforms, and investment in digital tools.
Justine Travers: This was in line with our earlier guidance that we expected further costs to be incurred in the H2, but these would be lower than those already incurred in H1. The cost-out program exceeded the initial target of AUD 100 million, and we have achieved AUD 132 million of savings. These actions are focused on resetting the cost base, aligning resources to areas of higher demand, reducing complexity, and improving scalability. The efforts of the team to take these important steps to strengthen our cost discipline and improve our earnings quality benefit shareholders in this financial year as we see this come through in lower global support costs. In addition, these savings in FY27 will partially offset inflationary pressures and be used to reinvest in strategic hires, differentiated delivery platforms, and investment in digital tools.
Speaker #1: The cost-out program exceeded the initial target of $100 million dollars, and we've achieved $132 million dollars of savings. These actions are focused on resetting the cost base, aligning resources to areas of higher demand, reducing complexity, and improving scalability.
Speaker #1: The efforts of the team to take these important steps to strengthen our cost discipline and improve our earnings quality benefit shareholders in this financial year as we see this come through in lower global support costs and in addition, these savings in FY27 will partially offset inflationary pressures and be used to reinvest in strategic hires differentiated delivery platform and investment in digital tools.
Speaker #1: As we set out at our invested day in May, we are targeting approximately $70 million of investment over two years. These actions support a more efficient and scalable operating model and they support stronger future earnings performance.
Justine Travers: As we set out at our Investor Day in May, we are targeting approximately 70 million of investment over 2 years. These actions support a more efficient and scalable operating model, and they support stronger future earnings performance. If I turn now to slide 22, I would finally like to take you through our capital management position. Our capital framework remains disciplined, and it is designed to support both growth and returns to shareholders. We continue to invest in the business while prudently managing debt and maintaining balance sheet flexibility. Our balance sheet position is supported by an investment-grade credit rating of BBB with a stable outlook. Normalized cash conversion was 93.6%, well within our target range, and our days sales outstanding improved to 44.3 days and remains well controlled and comfortably within our target.
Justine Travers: As we set out at our Investor Day in May, we are targeting approximately 70 million of investment over 2 years. These actions support a more efficient and scalable operating model, and they support stronger future earnings performance. If I turn now to slide 22, I would finally like to take you through our capital management position. Our capital framework remains disciplined, and it is designed to support both growth and returns to shareholders. We continue to invest in the business while prudently managing debt and maintaining balance sheet flexibility. Our balance sheet position is supported by an investment-grade credit rating of BBB with a stable outlook. Normalized cash conversion was 93.6%, well within our target range, and our days sales outstanding improved to 44.3 days and remains well controlled and comfortably within our target.
Speaker #1: If I turn now to slide 22, I'd finally like to take you through our capital management position. Our capital framework remains disciplined and it's designed to support both growth and returns to shareholders.
Speaker #1: We continue to invest in the business while prudently managing debt and maintaining balance sheet flexibility. Our balance sheet position is supported by an investment-grade credit rating of BBB with a stable outlook.
Speaker #1: Normalized cash conversion was 93.6%, well within our target range, and our day sales outstanding improved to $44.3 days and remains well controlled and comfortably within our target.
Speaker #1: Our balance sheet remains strong with leverage at 1.8 times and remains below our target of 2 times. Total liquidity was $2.1 billion. At 30 June 2026.
Justine Travers: Our balance sheet remains strong with leverage at 1.8 times and remains below our target of 2 times. Total liquidity was AUD 2.1 billion at 30 June 2026. The board's decision to commence a further AUD 300 million buyback program reflects confidence in our business. In May, we refinanced the Euro medium-term note with a new five-year Australian dollar medium-term note for AUD 375 million. Together with the new 364-day liquidity facility and part utilization of the syndicated facility revolver, we continue to maintain a diversified debt portfolio with a balance between loan markets and global debt capital markets. The weighted average cost of debt was 4.4% at 30 June 2026, and although this will increase following the refinancing of the Euro medium-term note at current market interest rates. Overall, our disciplined approach to capital management remains a key differentiator and supports long-term value creation.
Justine Travers: Our balance sheet remains strong with leverage at 1.8 times and remains below our target of 2 times. Total liquidity was AUD 2.1 billion at 30 June 2026. The board's decision to commence a further AUD 300 million buyback program reflects confidence in our business. In May, we refinanced the Euro medium-term note with a new five-year Australian dollar medium-term note for AUD 375 million. Together with the new 364-day liquidity facility and part utilization of the syndicated facility revolver, we continue to maintain a diversified debt portfolio with a balance between loan markets and global debt capital markets. The weighted average cost of debt was 4.4% at 30 June 2026, and although this will increase following the refinancing of the Euro medium-term note at current market interest rates. Overall, our disciplined approach to capital management remains a key differentiator and supports long-term value creation.
Speaker #1: The board's decision to commence a further $300 million buyback program reflects confidence in our business. In May, we refinanced the Euro medium-term note with a new five-year Australian dollar medium-term note for $375 million, and together with the new $364-day liquidity facility, and part utilization of the syndicated facility revolver, we continue to maintain a diversified debt portfolio with a balance between loan markets and global debt capital markets.
Speaker #1: The weighted average cost of debt was $4.4% at 30 June 2026, and although this will increase following the refinancing of the Euro medium-term note at current market interest rate.
Speaker #1: Overall, our disciplined approach to capital management remains a key differentiator and supports long-term value creation. In summary, a challenging earnings performance for the full year, but activity levels across much of the business remain strong.
Justine Travers: In summary, a challenging earnings performance for the full year, but activity levels across much of the business remain strong. We have delivered on the cost management program and created the platform to deliver our ambition, and we have continued our strong focus on cash conversion and balance sheet strength, which positions us well to support growth and returns to our shareholders. I will hand back to Chris to take you through our strategy and outlook ahead.
Justine Travers: In summary, a challenging earnings performance for the full year, but activity levels across much of the business remain strong. We have delivered on the cost management program and created the platform to deliver our ambition, and we have continued our strong focus on cash conversion and balance sheet strength, which positions us well to support growth and returns to our shareholders. I will hand back to Chris to take you through our strategy and outlook ahead.
Speaker #1: We have delivered on the cost management program and created the platform to deliver our ambition, and we have continued our strong focus on cash conversion and balance sheet strength, which positions us well to support growth and returns to our shareholders.
Speaker #1: I'll hand back to Chris to take you through our strategy and outlook ahead.
Speaker #2: All right. Thanks, Justine. I'll now take you through the strategy and outlook, including our priorities to achieve the FY30 growth ambition. But first, I want to remind you of the growth trend over time.
Chris Ashton: Thanks, Justine. I am going to take you through the strategy and outlook, including our priorities to achieve the FY30 growth ambition. But first, I want to remind you of the growth trend over time. The charts on slide 24 are a reminder that growth is rarely linear. The growth or the long-term trajectory remains positive, and while FY26 reflected a more challenging operating environment, it does not change the solid fundamentals of the business. Over several years, Worley has delivered growth in revenue, EBITA, EPS, and backlog, supported by a diversified portfolio across sectors, geographies, and services. That diversification is important. It gives us resilience through cycles and allows us to shift capacity toward areas of greater customer demand as markets shift. Moving on to slide 25. Our FY30 growth ambition is underpinned by four drivers of earnings growth. First, the current market growth.
Chris Ashton: Thanks, Justine. I am going to take you through the strategy and outlook, including our priorities to achieve the FY30 growth ambition. But first, I want to remind you of the growth trend over time. The charts on slide 24 are a reminder that growth is rarely linear. The growth or the long-term trajectory remains positive, and while FY26 reflected a more challenging operating environment, it does not change the solid fundamentals of the business. Over several years, Worley has delivered growth in revenue, EBITA, EPS, and backlog, supported by a diversified portfolio across sectors, geographies, and services. That diversification is important. It gives us resilience through cycles and allows us to shift capacity toward areas of greater customer demand as markets shift. Moving on to slide 25. Our FY30 growth ambition is underpinned by four drivers of earnings growth. First, the current market growth.
Speaker #2: The charts on slide 24 are a reminder that growth is rarely linear. The growth or the long-term trajectory remains positive and while FY26 reflected a more challenging operating environment, it doesn't change the solid fundamentals of the business.
Speaker #2: Over several years, Worley has delivered growth in revenue, EBITDA, EPS, and backlog, supported by a diversified portfolio across sectors, geographies, and services. And that diversification is important.
Speaker #2: It gives us resilience through cycles and allows us to shift capacity toward areas of greater customer demand, as markets shift. Moving on to slide 25, our FY30 growth ambition is underpinned by four drivers of earnings growth.
Speaker #2: First, the current market growth. We continue to benefit from tailwinds in our core end markets while also responding to the broader demand for energy, chemicals, and resources as affordability and security come at a greater global focus.
Chris Ashton: We continue to benefit from tailwinds in our core end markets while also responding to the broader demand for energy, chemicals, and resources as affordability and security commit a greater global focus. Second, AI-enabled full project delivery. We are increasing the scale of the projects we deliver by working with customers across the full project life cycle and are using technology to improve execution, productivity, and scalability. Third, future-facing growth markets. We are scaling in growth markets like power and data centers with structural demand from electrification, energy transition, resource demand, AI and digital infrastructure, and energy security. Finally, scale benefits. AI, GID, and cost discipline support margin resilience as we grow. Our ambition is to deliver medium-term double-digit underlying EBITA CAGR by FY30. Moving on to slide 26. In our current markets, we are focused on converting pipeline into backlog, growing revenue, and winning a greater share of customer investment.
Chris Ashton: We continue to benefit from tailwinds in our core end markets while also responding to the broader demand for energy, chemicals, and resources as affordability and security commit a greater global focus. Second, AI-enabled full project delivery. We are increasing the scale of the projects we deliver by working with customers across the full project life cycle and are using technology to improve execution, productivity, and scalability. Third, future-facing growth markets. We are scaling in growth markets like power and data centers with structural demand from electrification, energy transition, resource demand, AI and digital infrastructure, and energy security. Finally, scale benefits. AI, GID, and cost discipline support margin resilience as we grow. Our ambition is to deliver medium-term double-digit underlying EBITA CAGR by FY30. Moving on to slide 26. In our current markets, we are focused on converting pipeline into backlog, growing revenue, and winning a greater share of customer investment.
Speaker #2: Second, AI-enabled full project delivery. We're increasing the scale of the project we deliver by working with customers across the full project lifecycle and are using technology to improve execution, productivity, and scalability.
Speaker #2: Third, future-facing growth markets. We're scaling in growth markets like power and data centers with structural demand from electrification, energy transition, resource demand, AI, and digital infrastructure, and energy security.
Speaker #2: And finally, scale benefits. AI, GID, and cost discipline support margin resilience as we grow. Our ambition, it's to deliver medium-term double-digit underlying EBITDA cargo by FY30.
Speaker #2: Moving on to slide 26. In our current markets, we're focused on converting pipeline into backlog, growing revenue, and winning a greater share of customer investment.
Speaker #2: Framework agreements and deep relationships with our customers will support that growth. In AI-enabled full project delivery, our major projects and programs model is operating effectively.
Chris Ashton: Framework agreements and deep relationships with our customers will support that growth. In AI-enabled full project delivery, our major projects and programs model is operating effectively. We are expanding reimbursable EPC and EPCM work, increasing GID utilization, and embedding AI and digital tools to create a more scalable delivery model. In the future-facing growth markets, we are building on significant wins in gas and LNG, energy transition materials, power, and data centers while maintaining discipline in the markets and the contracts we select. On scale benefits, we will maintain cost discipline, reinvest selectively, and increase the use of GID where it improves efficiency. Moving to slide 27. Demand across our core markets is underpinned by favorable medium and long-term fundamentals, including the need for secure and affordable energy, critical resources, as well as investment in export supply chain and critical infrastructure.
Chris Ashton: Framework agreements and deep relationships with our customers will support that growth. In AI-enabled full project delivery, our major projects and programs model is operating effectively. We are expanding reimbursable EPC and EPCM work, increasing GID utilization, and embedding AI and digital tools to create a more scalable delivery model. In the future-facing growth markets, we are building on significant wins in gas and LNG, energy transition materials, power, and data centers while maintaining discipline in the markets and the contracts we select. On scale benefits, we will maintain cost discipline, reinvest selectively, and increase the use of GID where it improves efficiency. Moving to slide 27. Demand across our core markets is underpinned by favorable medium and long-term fundamentals, including the need for secure and affordable energy, critical resources, as well as investment in export supply chain and critical infrastructure.
Speaker #2: We're expanding, reimbursable EPC and EPCM work, increasing GID utilization, and embedding AI and digital tools to create a more scalable delivery model. In the future-facing growth markets, we're building on significant wins in gas and LNG, energy transition, materials, power, and data centers while maintaining discipline.
Speaker #2: In the market and the contracts we select. On scale benefits, we'll maintain cost discipline, reinvest selectively, and increase the use of GID where it improves efficiency.
Speaker #2: Moving to slide 27. Demand across our core market is underpinned by favorable medium and long-term fundamentals, including the need for secure and affordable energy critical resources as well as investment in export supply chain and critical infrastructure.
Speaker #2: This year, we expect to deliver mid to high single-digit growth in underlying EBITDA, and this will be more heavily weighted to half two than historical norms.
Chris Ashton: This year, we expect to deliver mid to high single-digit growth in underlying EBITA, and this will be more heavily weighted to H2 than historical norms. We also expect mid to high single-digit growth in aggregated revenue, with revenue phasing across the half-year periods broadly even. Disruption and uncertainty in the Middle East persists, and we are seeing second-order supply chain impacts, particularly as it relates to the supply of sulfur for fertilizer projects within North Africa. Our customers in the Middle East are turning to us for damage assessments, reconstruction planning, and early-stage new projects designed to help them navigate export constraints and rebuild resilience. While the timing and scale of associated opportunities remains difficult to predict, our outlook anticipates work volumes in the Middle East to lift in H2.
Chris Ashton: This year, we expect to deliver mid to high single-digit growth in underlying EBITA, and this will be more heavily weighted to H2 than historical norms. We also expect mid to high single-digit growth in aggregated revenue, with revenue phasing across the half-year periods broadly even. Disruption and uncertainty in the Middle East persists, and we are seeing second-order supply chain impacts, particularly as it relates to the supply of sulfur for fertilizer projects within North Africa. Our customers in the Middle East are turning to us for damage assessments, reconstruction planning, and early-stage new projects designed to help them navigate export constraints and rebuild resilience. While the timing and scale of associated opportunities remains difficult to predict, our outlook anticipates work volumes in the Middle East to lift in H2.
Speaker #2: We also expect mid to high single-digit growth in aggregated revenue, with revenue phasing across the half-year periods broadly even. Disruption and uncertainty in the Middle East persists, and we're seeing second-order supply chain impacts, particularly as the rates relate to the supply of sulfur for fertilizer projects within North Africa.
Speaker #2: Our customers in the Middle East are turning to us for damage assessments, reconstruction planning, and early-stage new projects. Designed to help them navigate, export constraints, and rebuild resilience.
Speaker #2: And while the timing and scale of associated opportunity remains difficult to predict, our outlook anticipates work volumes in the Middle East to lift in half two.
Speaker #2: Activity across the broader business continues to benefit from strong demand in key markets, and we're seeing tailwinds in our largest market, North America. A growing portfolio of major projects within the pipeline supports our growth outlook.
Chris Ashton: Activity across the broader business continues to benefit from strong demand in key markets, and we are seeing tailwinds in our largest market, North America. A growing portfolio of major projects within the pipeline supports our growth outlook. These are projects where Worley already has an established position through earlier phases of work. As those projects progress, we expect more of that work to move into execution. Just moving on to slide 28, that concludes the formal part of the presentation. We appreciate your time, and Justine and I are now happy to take your questions.
Chris Ashton: Activity across the broader business continues to benefit from strong demand in key markets, and we are seeing tailwinds in our largest market, North America. A growing portfolio of major projects within the pipeline supports our growth outlook. These are projects where Worley already has an established position through earlier phases of work. As those projects progress, we expect more of that work to move into execution. Just moving on to slide 28, that concludes the formal part of the presentation. We appreciate your time, and Justine and I are now happy to take your questions.
Speaker #2: These are projects where Worley already has an established position through earlier phases of work. As those projects progress, we expect more of that work to move into execution.
Speaker #2: Just moving on to slide 28, that concludes the formal part of the presentation. We appreciate your time, and Justine and I are now happy to take your questions.
Speaker #1: Thank you. To answer questions,
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Speaker #4: Hi, good morning. Just a couple from me. Firstly, in terms of the guidance, the mid to high single-digit EBITDA growth, is there a currency headwind embedded in that, or is that a constant currency expectation?
Niraj-Samip Shah: Hi. Good morning. Just a couple from me. Firstly, in terms of the guidance, the mid to high single digit EBITA growth, is there a currency headwind embedded in that, or is that a constant currency expectation?
Niraj Shah: Hi. Good morning. Just a couple from me. Firstly, in terms of the guidance, the mid to high single digit EBITA growth, is there a currency headwind embedded in that, or is that a constant currency expectation?
Speaker #3: Hi, Niraj. Look,
Justine Travers: Hi, Neeraj Shah. Look, the way we've looked at the outlook is, we've used a weighted average forward currencies to determine the exchange rate across our portfolio and currency mix. As we move through the year, of course, we will look at our performance, and we'll provide a view of that on a like-to-like basis to the prior year. As you could appreciate, we operate across around 30 different currencies. They will have a different mix around the earnings, and that will change from period to period. It is based on an assumption looking at that forward rate at a point in time.
Justine Travers: Hi, Niraj. Look, the way we've looked at the outlook is, we've used a weighted average forward currencies to determine the exchange rate across our portfolio and currency mix. As we move through the year, of course, we will look at our performance, and we'll provide a view of that on a like-to-like basis to the prior year. As you could appreciate, we operate across around 30 different currencies. They will have a different mix around the earnings, and that will change from period to period. It is based on an assumption looking at that forward rate at a point in time.
Speaker #5: the way we've looked at the outlook is we've used a weighted average forward currencies to determine the exchange rate across our portfolio and currency mix.
Speaker #5: As we move through the year, of course, we will look at our performance, and we'll provide a view of that on a light-for-light basis to the prior year.
Speaker #5: But as you could appreciate, we operate across around 30 different currencies. And they will have a different mix around the earnings, and that will change from period to period.
Speaker #5: But is based on an assumption, looking at that forward rate at a point in time.
Speaker #4: Understood. Thank you. And in terms of the second half, stronger than normal second half weighting of that guidance, should we expect earnings or EBITDA in the first half to grow, given that skew?
Niraj-Samip Shah: Understood. Thank you. In terms of the H2, stronger than normal H2 weighting of that guidance, should we expect earnings or EBITA in the H1 to grow given that skew?
Niraj Shah: Understood. Thank you. In terms of the H2, stronger than normal H2 weighting of that guidance, should we expect earnings or EBITA in the H1 to grow given that skew?
Speaker #5: You can expect the earnings when we talk about the first, second half, you would have traditionally seen a trend for Worley that probably put our earnings at around probably 45 to 55 percent type of weighting between the first and second half if we looked over the last number of years.
Justine Travers: You can expect the earnings. When we talk about the H1, H2, you would have traditionally seen a trend, for Worley, that probably put out earnings at around probably 45% to 55% type of weighting between the H1 and H2 if we looked over the last number of years. We can certainly expect that earnings skew to be greater than that into the H2 for FY27.
Justine Travers: You can expect the earnings. When we talk about the H1, H2, you would have traditionally seen a trend, for Worley, that probably put out earnings at around probably 45% to 55% type of weighting between the H1 and H2 if we looked over the last number of years. We can certainly expect that earnings skew to be greater than that into the H2 for FY27.
Speaker #5: We can certainly expect that earnings skew to be greater than that into the second half for FY27.
Speaker #2: Yeah, look, sorry, Niraj. I'll just add to that. So if you look at the first half of the financial year, it's always impacted by the Northern Hemisphere summer period.
Chris Ashton: Yeah, look, I'll just add.
Chris Ashton: Yeah, look, I'll just add.
Niraj-Samip Shah: Okay. And then, yep.
Niraj Shah: Okay. And then, yep.
Chris Ashton: Sorry, Neeraj Shah, I'll just add to that. If you look at the H1 of the financial year, it's always impacted by the Northern Hemisphere summer period. You've always got that. If you're looking at this first 6 months of the calendar year against the second, so the H2 of FY26 against the H1 of FY27, you'll always see a difference because the H1 of the finance year is just impacted by Northern Hemisphere summer. Vacations, people taking time off. It's always different.
Chris Ashton: Sorry, Niraj, I'll just add to that. If you look at the H1 of the financial year, it's always impacted by the Northern Hemisphere summer period. You've always got that. If you're looking at this first 6 months of the calendar year against the second, so the H2 of FY26 against the H1 of FY27, you'll always see a difference because the H1 of the finance year is just impacted by Northern Hemisphere summer. Vacations, people taking time off. It's always different.
Speaker #2: So you've always got that. So if you're looking at this first six months of the calendar year against the second, so the second half of FY26 against the first half of '27, you'll all see a difference because the first half of the financial year is just impacted by Northern Hemisphere summer, vacations, people taking time off.
Speaker #2: It's always different.
Speaker #4: Understood. And then last one from me, just how are you thinking about potential restructuring costs into fiscal '27 or below the line items in general?
Niraj-Samip Shah: Understood. Last one from me. Just how are you thinking about potential restructuring costs into FY27 or below the line items in general?
Niraj Shah: Understood. Last one from me. Just how are you thinking about potential restructuring costs into FY27 or below the line items in general?
Speaker #5: Niraj, we don't have a plan for further restructuring. As we move into FY27, you can appreciate that we will continue to take a very disciplined approach to how we allocate resources and how we manage our cost base but certainly at this point in time, we don't have a plan for restructuring into FY27.
Justine Travers: Neeraj, we do not have a plan for further restructuring. As we move into FY27, you can appreciate that we will continue to take a very disciplined approach to how we allocate resources and how we manage our cost base. But certainly at this point in time, we do not have a plan for restructuring into FY27. In terms of how we treat those costs, we have been consistent with that over a number of periods, and our view around that has not changed.
Justine Travers: Neeraj, we do not have a plan for further restructuring. As we move into FY27, you can appreciate that we will continue to take a very disciplined approach to how we allocate resources and how we manage our cost base. But certainly at this point in time, we do not have a plan for restructuring into FY27. In terms of how we treat those costs, we have been consistent with that over a number of periods, and our view around that has not changed.
Speaker #5: In terms of how we treat those costs, we have been consistent with that over a number of periods. And our view around that has not changed.
Speaker #4: Cool. Thank you.
Niraj-Samip Shah: Cool. Thank you.
Niraj Shah: Cool. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will now take our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Ramon Lazar of Jefferies. Please go ahead, Ramon.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ramoun Lazar of Jefferies. Please go ahead, Ramon. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ramoun Lazar of Jefferies. Please go ahead, Ramon. Your line is open.
Speaker #3: Your line is open.
Ramoun Lazar: Good morning, Chris and Justine. Just a couple from me. Just wondering if you could maybe take us through the backlog, particularly that June quarter period. Seems like a pretty material step down from the March period that you provided at the Investor Day through to June. Just what is driving that? Anything you can provide us into the first couple of months of this year would be helpful.
Ramoun Lazar: Good morning, Chris and Justine. Just a couple from me. Just wondering if you could maybe take us through the backlog, particularly that June quarter period. Seems like a pretty material step down from the March period that you provided at the Investor Day through to June. Just what is driving that? Anything you can provide us into the first couple of months of this year would be helpful.
Speaker #6: Good morning, Chris and Justine. Just a couple from me. Just wondering if you could maybe take us through the backlog, particularly the June quarter period.
Speaker #6: It seems like a pretty material step down from the March period that you provided the investor day through the June. Just what's driving that, and anything you can provide us into the first couple of months of this year would be helpful.
Speaker #5: Yeah. Look, you have seen a step down in that backlog. If we looked at it from the half, and the real key drivers around that is obviously we've executed the work that was in the backlog, and that's shown that come down from what we had at the half-year.
Justine Travers: Yeah. Look, you have seen a step down in that backlog as we looked at it from the half. The real key drivers around that is obviously we have executed the work that was in the backlog, and that has shown that come down from what we had in at the half year. We had also, which we had advised certainly in May, removed the Baytown Blue Hydrogen Project from that backlog number as well coming through. Then, of course, you do see a currency translation impact sitting in that backlog as well. But really, the main impact is the burn profile into that H2.
Justine Travers: Yeah. Look, you have seen a step down in that backlog as we looked at it from the half. The real key drivers around that is obviously we have executed the work that was in the backlog, and that has shown that come down from what we had in at the half year. We had also, which we had advised certainly in May, removed the Baytown Blue Hydrogen Project from that backlog number as well coming through. Then, of course, you do see a currency translation impact sitting in that backlog as well. But really, the main impact is the burn profile into that H2.
Speaker #5: We'd also which we'd advised certainly in May is we removed the Baytown Blue from that backlog number as well coming through. And then, of course, you do see a you do see a currency translation impact sitting in that backlog as well.
Speaker #5: But really, the main impact is the burn profile into that second half. As Chris really talked about, we've seen a number of strategic wins coming through in FY26, and certainly based on the conversations that we are having with customers today, have some optimism around our backlog moving forward, particularly if you see the pipeline and the bookings growth that we're showing.
Justine Travers: As Chris Ashton really talked about, we have seen a number of strategic wins coming through in FY26. Certainly, based on the conversations that we are having with customers today, we have some optimism around our backlog moving forward, particularly if you see the pipeline and the bookings growth that we are showing.
Justine Travers: As Chris Ashton really talked about, we have seen a number of strategic wins coming through in FY26. Certainly, based on the conversations that we are having with customers today, we have some optimism around our backlog moving forward, particularly if you see the pipeline and the bookings growth that we are showing.
Speaker #6: Right. And have you seen that in the first couple of months of '27, any of that sort of backlog move into the backlog, or is there still delays in realizing some of those project wins?
Ramoun Lazar: Right. Have you seen that in the first couple of months of 2027, any of that sort of backlog move into the backlog, or is there still delays in realizing some of those project wins?
Ramoun Lazar: Right. Have you seen that in the first couple of months of 2027, any of that sort of backlog move into the backlog, or is there still delays in realizing some of those project wins?
Speaker #5: We've shown and you might we can point to one of the sets of material in the presentation where we have highlighted a number of the strategic wins so far, a number of those and Chris talked to Conners Quay for Juniper.
Justine Travers: We have shown, and we can point to one of the sets of material in the presentation where we have highlighted a number of the strategic wins so far. A number of those, and Chris Ashton talked to Connah's Quay for Uniper. That, of course, is not yet reflected in the backlog that we are showing. We are the preferred contractor for that scope of work. There is a number of these that we have highlighted that you are not seeing in that backlog number because, of course, it represents a point in time, which is 30 June 2026.
Justine Travers: We have shown, and we can point to one of the sets of material in the presentation where we have highlighted a number of the strategic wins so far. A number of those, and Chris Ashton talked to Connah's Quay for Uniper. That, of course, is not yet reflected in the backlog that we are showing. We are the preferred contractor for that scope of work. There is a number of these that we have highlighted that you are not seeing in that backlog number because, of course, it represents a point in time, which is 30 June 2026.
Speaker #5: That, of course, is not yet reflected in the backlog, but we are showing we have been we are the preferred contractor for that scope of work.
Speaker #5: There's a number of these that we have highlighted. That you are not seeing in that backlog number because, of course, it represents a point in time, which is 30 June, 2026.
Speaker #2: Yeah. I mean, and if you look at the EPC for Conners Quay, TC Energy, these are these are a material these are material awards that once they get FID will make a significant contribution to the backlog.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. If you look at the EPC for Connah's Quay, TC Energy, these are material awards that, once they get FID, will make a significant contribution to the backlog, a material contribution to the backlog. It is just a timing thing rather than any fundamental shift. As you can imagine, the awards as they move from studies or entering into full delivery, it is never linear. We are at, I guess, the whim of the customer. The very large projects that we are working on, yeah, show great prospect for coming into backlog within this financial year.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. If you look at the EPC for Connah's Quay, TC Energy, these are material awards that, once they get FID, will make a significant contribution to the backlog, a material contribution to the backlog. It is just a timing thing rather than any fundamental shift. As you can imagine, the awards as they move from studies or entering into full delivery, it is never linear. We are at, I guess, the whim of the customer. The very large projects that we are working on, yeah, show great prospect for coming into backlog within this financial year.
Speaker #2: A material contribution to backlog. So it's just a timing thing rather than any fundamental shift. And as you can imagine, the awards, as they move from studies or engineering into full delivery, it's never linear.
Speaker #2: We can't we can we're at the I guess the whim of the customer. But the project, the very large projects that we're working on, yeah, show great prospect for coming into backlog within this financial year.
Speaker #6: Okay. Got it. I've just got one very quick one. Maybe just are you making any assumptions around further Middle East impacts? Within your guidance?
Ramoun Lazar: Okay, got it. I have just got one very quick one. Are you making any assumptions around further Middle East impacts within your guidance?
Ramoun Lazar: Okay, got it. I have just got one very quick one. Are you making any assumptions around further Middle East impacts within your guidance?
Speaker #2: So if we look at the Middle East and the way I think about it is you think of a band, above the upper part of the band would be all our war.
Chris Ashton: If we look at the Middle East, and the way I think about it, if you think of a band, above the upper part of the band would be all-out war. Below, the lower part of the band, you have got peace, and we are operating in this space in the middle where it is neither all-out war nor complete peace. What we have found is our customers are kind of normalizing things and starting to get back to normal, as normal can be. We are seeing deferred projects that were deferred at the beginning of the war start to come back on the table, and we are in discussions with them. So we are actually seeing the 2027 growth in the Middle East. Like anything, you pick up the newspaper and the leaders of the US are saying one thing one day, and then a few days later, something else.
Chris Ashton: If we look at the Middle East, and the way I think about it, if you think of a band, above the upper part of the band would be all-out war. Below, the lower part of the band, you have got peace, and we are operating in this space in the middle where it is neither all-out war nor complete peace. What we have found is our customers are kind of normalizing things and starting to get back to normal, as normal can be.
Speaker #2: Below the lower part of the band, you've got peace, and we're operating in this kind of this band, this space in the middle where it's neither all our war nor complete peace.
Speaker #2: And what we've found is our customers are kind of normalizing things and starting to get back to normal. As normal can be. We're seeing deferred projects that were deferred at the beginning of the war start to come back on the table, and we're in discussions with them.
Chris Ashton: We are seeing deferred projects that were deferred at the beginning of the war start to come back on the table, and we are in discussions with them. So we are actually seeing the 2027 growth in the Middle East. Like anything, you pick up the newspaper and the leaders of the US are saying one thing one day, and then a few days later, something else.
Speaker #2: So we're actually seeing for '27 growth in the Middle East. But like anything, you pick up the newspaper and the leader of the US is saying one thing, one day, and then a few days later, something else.
Speaker #2: But currently, what we're seeing with the customers is a normalization of operations and investment. And again, the key indicator for me is those projects that were deferred at the beginning of the war, at the end of February, and now back on the table, and we're in discussions with them.
Chris Ashton: But currently what we are seeing with the customers is a normalization of operations and investment. Again, the key indicator for me is those projects that were deferred at the beginning of the war, at the end of February, are now back on the table and we are in discussions with them. So it gives me confidence, all things remaining as it is now, that we will see the growth that we are expecting. We will deliver the growth that we are expecting and projecting to have in 2027.
Chris Ashton: But currently what we are seeing with the customers is a normalization of operations and investment. Again, the key indicator for me is those projects that were deferred at the beginning of the war, at the end of February, are now back on the table and we are in discussions with them. So it gives me confidence, all things remaining as it is now, that we will see the growth that we are expecting. We will deliver the growth that we are expecting and projecting to have in 2027.
Speaker #2: So it gives me confidence, all things remaining as it is now, that we'll see the growth that we're expecting we'll deliver the growth that we're expecting and projecting to have in '27.
Ramoun Lazar: Okay, thank you.
Ramoun Lazar: Okay, thank you.
Speaker #5: I think the one thing the one thing I would add, Chris, is we certainly through the work that we've done, we see that coming through in the second half of the year.
Justine Travers: The one thing I would add, Chris, is we certainly, through the work that we have done, we see that coming through in the H2 of the year. We do recognize, as Chris said, the continued uncertainty in the Middle East that we have seen this year. So, our assumption is that we see that come through in the H2.
Justine Travers: The one thing I would add, Chris, is we certainly, through the work that we have done, we see that coming through in the H2 of the year. We do recognize, as Chris said, the continued uncertainty in the Middle East that we have seen this year. So, our assumption is that we see that come through in the H2.
Speaker #5: We do recognize, as Chris said, the continued uncertainty in the Middle East that we've seen this year. So our assumption is that we see that come through in the second half.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of John Patel from Macquarie, please ask your question. John, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of John Purtell from Macquarie. Please ask your question. John, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of John Purtell from Macquarie. Please ask your question. John, your line is open.
Speaker #4: Good morning. Chris and Justine. Just in terms of your '27 earnings growth drivers there, if you wouldn't mind just providing some further sort of color detail around what you see as the key growth drivers.
John Purtell: Good morning, Chris and Justine. Just in terms of your 2027 earnings growth drivers there, if you would not mind just providing some further color detail around what you see as the key growth drivers. Obviously, Justine, you have talked to the cost out, so presumably you are expecting some tangible benefit there. CP2 is obviously moving into full phase construction. North America, you mentioned, Chris, you are seeing growth there. So if you would not mind just fleshing some of that out, that would be great. Thank you.
John Purtell: Good morning, Chris and Justine. Just in terms of your 2027 earnings growth drivers there, if you would not mind just providing some further color detail around what you see as the key growth drivers. Obviously, Justine, you have talked to the cost out, so presumably you are expecting some tangible benefit there. CP2 is obviously moving into full phase construction. North America, you mentioned, Chris, you are seeing growth there. So if you would not mind just fleshing some of that out, that would be great. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Obviously, Justine, you've talked to the cost out. So I presume you're expecting some tangible benefit there, CP2s, obviously moving into full phase construction. And then North America, you mentioned, Chris, you're seeing sort of growth there.
Speaker #4: So if you wouldn't mind just fleshing some of that out, that'd be great. Thank you.
Speaker #5: Hi, John. Look, you've absolutely pointed to a number of the key ones there. And maybe starting with, as Chris said, the work and the conversations that we're having with the customers around the Middle East and one from the deferral of work from FY26 into FY27, and then some additional scope, which I'm sure Chris will talk to.
Justine Travers: Hi, John. You've absolutely pointed to a number of the key ones there. Maybe starting with, as Chris said, the work and the conversations that we're having with the customers around the one from the deferral of work from FY26 into FY27, and then some additional scope, which I'm sure Chris will talk to. As you noted, and we've talked to the market previously with Venture Global, certainly as part of CP2, the team is in that construction phase of that project, and there is very significant momentum there and scope of work that is due to be delivered through the course of FY27 and then also into FY28. You might have seen in the material, and Chris mentioned very briefly, within our backlog, we do see about 62% of that backlog being delivered through the course of FY27.
Justine Travers: Hi, John. You've absolutely pointed to a number of the key ones there. Maybe starting with, as Chris said, the work and the conversations that we're having with the customers around the one from the deferral of work from FY26 into FY27, and then some additional scope, which I'm sure Chris will talk to. As you noted, and we've talked to the market previously with Venture Global, certainly as part of CP2, the team is in that construction phase of that project, and there is very significant momentum there and scope of work that is due to be delivered through the course of FY27 and then also into FY28. You might have seen in the material, and Chris mentioned very briefly, within our backlog, we do see about 62% of that backlog being delivered through the course of FY27.
Speaker #5: As you noted, and we've talked to the market previously, with venture global, certainly, as part of CP2, the team is in that construction phase of that project, and there is very significant momentum there.
Speaker #5: And scope of work that is due to be delivered through the course of FY27. And then also into FY28. You might have seen in the material, and Chris mentioned very briefly, within our backlog, we do see about 62% of that backlog being delivered through the course of FY27.
Speaker #5: But Chris, maybe you want to mention a couple of things.
Justine Travers: Chris, maybe you want to mention a couple of things.
Justine Travers: Chris, maybe you want to mention a couple of things.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Look, if you look at obviously, we can talk about the G, but I think that's pretty well understood. We've got phase one and two, and then there's the phase two expansion which we expect that we'll get FID in '27.
Chris Ashton: Well, obviously we can talk about VG, but I think that's pretty well understood. We've got phase 1 and 2, and then there's the phase 2 expansion, which we expect that we'll get FID in 2027. We've got the Connah's Quay, which we are well into in terms of the early phase work. That will get FID in 2027. With Heidelberg Materials, we've talked about. Look, we do have a recovery in the Middle East, John. The recovery in the Middle East, and like I said, we're projecting growth overall year-on-year. The growth in the Middle East has been offset by a slowdown and deferral of investment in North Africa. That's just because the customer base can't get sulfur through the Strait of Hormuz. They can't get sulfur at the volumes they need to produce the fertilizers, to sell the fertilizers, generate the free cash to invest.
Chris Ashton: Well, obviously we can talk about VG, but I think that's pretty well understood. We've got phase 1 and 2, and then there's the phase 2 expansion, which we expect that we'll get FID in 2027. We've got the Connah's Quay, which we are well into in terms of the early phase work. That will get FID in 2027. With Heidelberg Materials, we've talked about. Look, we do have a recovery in the Middle East, John. The recovery in the Middle East, and like I said, we're projecting growth overall year-on-year. The growth in the Middle East has been offset by a slowdown and deferral of investment in North Africa. That's just because the customer base can't get sulfur through the Strait of Hormuz. They can't get sulfur at the volumes they need to produce the fertilizers, to sell the fertilizers, generate the free cash to invest.
Speaker #2: We've got the Conners Quay, which we are well into in terms of the early phase work. That will get FID in '27. We're at Heidelberg.
Speaker #2: We've talked about we do look, we do have a recovery in the Middle East, John. Now, the recovery in the Middle East and look, like I said, we're projecting growth overall year on year.
Speaker #2: The growth in the Middle East has been offset by a slowdown and deferral of investment in North Africa. That's just because the customer base can't get sulfur through the Hormuz Straits.
Speaker #2: They can't get sulfur at the volumes they need to produce the fertilizer to sell the fertilizer, generate the free cash to invest. And so there's been a significant slowdown in that space.
Chris Ashton: There's been a significant slowdown in that space, offset by what we think is solid growth in the Middle East. Look, there's growth in each of the regions. It's just some of it isn't necessarily obvious because of the North Africa offset in the Middle East growth. Americas is going to show growth. The Americas is showing sort of a rebound, really strong activity, especially on the power side and the data side. We look forward to making some announcements shortly that will reflect some significant progress in the data center space. Just suggest that people watch out for that.
Chris Ashton: There's been a significant slowdown in that space, offset by what we think is solid growth in the Middle East. Look, there's growth in each of the regions. It's just some of it isn't necessarily obvious because of the North Africa offset in the Middle East growth. Americas is going to show growth. The Americas is showing sort of a rebound, really strong activity, especially on the power side and the data side. We look forward to making some announcements shortly that will reflect some significant progress in the data center space. Just suggest that people watch out for that.
Speaker #2: Offset by what we think is solid growth in the Middle East. So look, we've got there's growth in each of the regions. It's just some of it isn't necessarily obvious because of the North Africa offset in the Middle East growth.
Speaker #2: America's going to show growth. I mean, the Americas is showing sort of a rebound, really strong activity especially on the power side and the data side.
Speaker #2: And we look forward to making some announcements shortly. That will reflect some significant progress in the data center space. So just suggest that people watch out for that.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
John Purtell: Thank you.
John Purtell: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Rowan Sundram of MST Financial. Please ask your question, Rowan. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rohan Sundram of MST Financial. Please ask your question, Rohan, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rohan Sundram of MST Financial. Please ask your question, Rohan, your line is open.
Speaker #6: Hi, Chris and Justine. Questions have been answered, so I'll just ask a question on the CP2 project given it's still such a massive contributor.
Rohan Sundram: Hi, Chris and Justine. Questions have been answered, so I will just ask a question on the CP2 project, given it is still such a massive contributor. I was just curious, how much of a driver would Canada be towards that revenue guidance you have given, and how are the margins performing versus expectations? Thanks.
Rohan Sundram: Hi, Chris and Justine. Questions have been answered, so I will just ask a question on the CP2 project, given it is still such a massive contributor. I was just curious, how much of a driver would Canada be towards that revenue guidance you have given, and how are the margins performing versus expectations? Thanks.
Speaker #6: I was just curious, how much of a driver would Kenneth be towards that revenue guidance you've given? And how are the margins performing versus expectations?
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Well, I'll answer the second part first. And that is the margin expectations have been met on that project. It's we're we had, in fact, the project director for the customer present to the board yesterday morning.
Chris Ashton: I will answer the second part first, and that is the margin expectations have been met on that project. We had, in fact, the project director for the customer present to the board yesterday morning. The project is going exceptionally well. The project director on the customer side spoke very highly about the team's performance. Commercially it is delivering in line with the contractual expectations. I will let Justine answer the other part.
Chris Ashton: I will answer the second part first, and that is the margin expectations have been met on that project. We had, in fact, the project director for the customer present to the board yesterday morning. The project is going exceptionally well. The project director on the customer side spoke very highly about the team's performance. Commercially it is delivering in line with the contractual expectations. I will let Justine answer the other part.
Speaker #2: The project's going exceptionally well. The project director on the customer side spoke very highly about the team's performance. And commercially, it's delivering in line with the contractual expectations.
Speaker #2: And now, Justine, answer the other part, yeah?
Speaker #5: Thanks, Chris. Rowan, I mean, we don't comment on individual projects. We've seen our profiles, but we know that certainly through conversations we've had that venture global, it is a it does have an impact it is a strong deliverer of revenue through the course of FY27 given the phase of that project.
Justine Travers: Thanks, Chris. Rohan, we do not comment on individual projects within our profiles, but we know that certainly through conversations we have had that Venture Global does have an impact. It is a strong deliverer of revenue through the course of FY27, given the phase of that project. But it does sit within the broader portfolio, as Chris said, of other major projects and global operation portfolio work that we do. But yes, it has a contribution to FY27, which certainly gives us confidence as we look at that backlog and what is due to be delivered through the course of this year.
Justine Travers: Thanks, Chris. Rohan, we do not comment on individual projects within our profiles, but we know that certainly through conversations we have had that Venture Global does have an impact. It is a strong deliverer of revenue through the course of FY27, given the phase of that project. But it does sit within the broader portfolio, as Chris said, of other major projects and global operation portfolio work that we do. But yes, it has a contribution to FY27, which certainly gives us confidence as we look at that backlog and what is due to be delivered through the course of this year.
Speaker #5: But it does sit within the broader portfolio, as Chris said, of other major projects. And global operation portfolio work that we do. But yes, it has a contribution to FY27, which certainly gives us confidence as we look at that backlog and what is due to be delivered through the course of this year.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Rohan Sundram: Thank you.
Rohan Sundram: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will now take our next question. From the line of Nicole Penny from Remo Equity Research. Please go ahead, Nicole, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of Nicole Penny from Rimor Equity Research. Please go ahead, Nicole, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of Nicole Penny from Rimor Equity Research. Please go ahead, Nicole, your line is open.
Speaker #7: Good morning and thank you for taking my question. Just a quick two follow-up on backlog. It was spoken about, but just to confirm again that backlog has fallen in the second half relative to the first half.
Nicole Penny: Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. Just a quick to follow up on backlog. It was spoken about, but just to confirm again that backlog has fallen in the H2 relative to the H1, and you spoke to that, and of course, we would expect a declining revenue profile in the following period. Just could you reconcile that again, that positive revenue growth outlook for FY27? Perhaps on the back of that, given backlog declined in this period, even with strong pipeline and bookings, is backlog still the number we should be monitoring for a read-through on future revenue, or should we really be focused more on bookings and pipeline conversion instead? Just a second one, a follow-up on the Middle East that was spoken about.
Nicole Penny: Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. Just a quick to follow up on backlog. It was spoken about, but just to confirm again that backlog has fallen in the H2 relative to the H1, and you spoke to that, and of course, we would expect a declining revenue profile in the following period. Just could you reconcile that again, that positive revenue growth outlook for FY27? Perhaps on the back of that, given backlog declined in this period, even with strong pipeline and bookings, is backlog still the number we should be monitoring for a read-through on future revenue, or should we really be focused more on bookings and pipeline conversion instead? Just a second one, a follow-up on the Middle East that was spoken about.
Speaker #7: And you spoke to that. And of course, we would expect a declining revenue profile in the following period. Just could you reconcile that again that positive revenue growth outlook for FY27?
Speaker #7: And perhaps on the back of that, given backlog decline in this period, even with strong pipeline and bookings, is backlog still the number we should be monitoring for a read-through on future revenue, or should we really be focused more on bookings and pipeline conversion instead?
Speaker #7: And just a second one, a follow-up on the Middle East that was spoken about. We are six months into the disruption there. And you've mentioned it's impacting business activity, but you point that customers are seeing normalization.
Nicole Penny: We are 6 months into the disruption there, and you have mentioned it is impacting business activity, but you point that customers are seeing normalization. Could you just give us clarity again on any impacts and flow-through to medium-term energy projects outside of the Middle East, please?
Nicole Penny: We are 6 months into the disruption there, and you have mentioned it is impacting business activity, but you point that customers are seeing normalization. Could you just give us clarity again on any impacts and flow-through to medium-term energy projects outside of the Middle East, please?
Speaker #7: Could you just give us clarity again on any impacts and flow-through to medium-term energy projects outside of the Middle East, please?
Speaker #5: Let me take the first question and what I would say is and you're right to look to pipeline and bookings. As a really strong and key indicator of where we see that growth profile, not just in the next 12 months, but over longer term when we think out over the next two to three years.
Justine Travers: Let me take the first question, and what I would say is, and you are right to look to pipeline and bookings as a really strong and key indicator of where we see that growth profile, not just in the next 12 months, but over longer term when we think out over the next 2 to 3 years. The backlog, what we have to be really conscious of is when we represent this, we represent it at a point in time. It reflects the 30 June position that we take a cut-off, and so it does not necessarily reflect, as we said earlier, those strategic wins that we see coming through the portfolio.
Justine Travers: Let me take the first question, and what I would say is, and you are right to look to pipeline and bookings as a really strong and key indicator of where we see that growth profile, not just in the next 12 months, but over longer term when we think out over the next 2 to 3 years. The backlog, what we have to be really conscious of is when we represent this, we represent it at a point in time. It reflects the 30 June position that we take a cut-off, and so it does not necessarily reflect, as we said earlier, those strategic wins that we see coming through the portfolio.
Speaker #5: The backlog, what we have to be really conscious of is when we represent this, we represent it at a point in time. It reflects a 30 June position that we sort of we take a cutoff.
Speaker #5: And so it doesn't necessarily reflect, as we said earlier, those strategic wins that we see coming through the portfolio. So I think you are right to look at bookings, to look at the momentum and strength of the bookings and the pipeline growth that we see as a look-through to that aggregated revenue growth that we expect over the near and medium term.
Justine Travers: You are right to look at bookings, to look at the momentum and strength of the bookings and the pipeline growth that we see as a look-through to that aggregated revenue growth that we expect over the near and medium term. Chris, I will let you comment on the Middle East.
Justine Travers: You are right to look at bookings, to look at the momentum and strength of the bookings and the pipeline growth that we see as a look-through to that aggregated revenue growth that we expect over the near and medium term. Chris, I will let you comment on the Middle East.
Speaker #5: Chris, I'll let you comment on the Middle East.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. Do you just want to just repeat again your question just so I make sure I understand it?
Chris Ashton: Yeah. Do you just want to just repeat again your question just so I make sure I understand it?
Speaker #2: Yeah, yeah. Just want to just repeat again your question just to make sure I understand it.
Speaker #7: Oh, the Middle East? I'm just asking since you're saying that some of the customers are pointing to normalization, however, could you give us any clarity on the impact through to the medium term on energy projects outside of the Middle East?
Nicole Penny: The Middle East? I am just asking since you are saying that some of the customers are pointing to normalization. Could you give us any clarity on the impact through to the medium term on energy projects outside of the Middle East? Since, I suppose, the Middle East has occurred, is there any change that has moved more outside of the Middle East on the back of that?
Nicole Penny: The Middle East? I am just asking since you are saying that some of the customers are pointing to normalization. Could you give us any clarity on the impact through to the medium term on energy projects outside of the Middle East? Since, I suppose, the Middle East has occurred, is there any change that has moved more outside of the Middle East on the back of that?
Speaker #7: Since I suppose the Middle East has occurred, is there any change that's moved more outside of the Middle East on the back of that?
Speaker #2: I think what we're if we look at the if I reflect on conversation with customers, while you're still seeing the Middle East operators, so the national oil companies, the natural energy companies continue to invest.
Chris Ashton: I think if I reflect on conversation with customers, while you are still seeing the Middle East operators, so the National Oil Companies, the natural energy companies continue to invest. What you have got with the International Oil Companies is, they are looking at where else the capital investment opportunities sit, with not necessarily the risk premium that they would need or that it would put on to invest in the Middle East. If we look at the investment driver in the region, it is really coming from the natural energy companies more than the International Oil Companies. So, continue to see the NOCs invest and the IOCs, if they were looking to invest, that they may still, but they are certainly looking at investing in different jurisdictions, different basins.
Chris Ashton: I think if I reflect on conversation with customers, while you are still seeing the Middle East operators, so the National Oil Companies, the natural energy companies continue to invest. What you have got with the International Oil Companies is, they are looking at where else the capital investment opportunities sit, with not necessarily the risk premium that they would need or that it would put on to invest in the Middle East. If we look at the investment driver in the region, it is really coming from the natural energy companies more than the International Oil Companies. So, continue to see the NOCs invest and the IOCs, if they were looking to invest, that they may still, but they are certainly looking at investing in different jurisdictions, different basins.
Speaker #2: What you've got with the international energy companies is they're looking at where else the capital investment opportunity sits with not necessarily the the risk premium that they would need or that it would put on to invest in the Middle East.
Speaker #2: But if we look at the investment driver in the region, it's really coming from the national energy companies more than the international energy companies.
Speaker #2: So continue to see the NOCs invest and the IOCs, if they were looking to invest, that they may still, but they're certainly looking at investing at different in different jurisdictions, different basins.
Speaker #7: Thank you very much.
Nicole Penny: Thank you very much.
Nicole Penny: Thank you very much.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will now move to our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Nathan Riley from UBS. Please go ahead, Nathan, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now move to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Nathan Reilly from UBS. Please go ahead, Nathan, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now move to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Nathan Reilly from UBS. Please go ahead, Nathan, your line is open.
Speaker #6: Thank you. And good morning. Quick question just in relation to the 58 million dollar Middle East impact, which you've quantified as a drag on 26 earnings.
Nathan Reilly: Thank you, and good morning. A quick question just in relation to the AUD 58 million Middle East impact, which you have quantified as a drag on 2026 earnings. Can I just get an update just in terms of what that actually represents in terms of the impact of either project deferrals, and also incremental costs that might have been incurred because of the issues over there?
Nathan Reilly: Thank you, and good morning. A quick question just in relation to the AUD 58 million Middle East impact, which you have quantified as a drag on 2026 earnings. Can I just get an update just in terms of what that actually represents in terms of the impact of either project deferrals, and also incremental costs that might have been incurred because of the issues over there?
Speaker #6: Can I just get an update just in terms of what that actually represents in terms of the impact of either project deferrals, and also incremental costs that might have been incurred because of the issues over there?
Speaker #2: So it's a result of deferrals, Nathan. In the Middle East, you don't necessarily see costs associated with managing workflow levels. The reality is what we didn't see was the growth to deliver the growth in headcount, to deliver the incremental 58 million rather than any of that 58 million associated with the cost of letting people go.
Chris Ashton: Well, it is a result of deferrals, Nathan. In the Middle East, you do not necessarily see costs associated with managing workflow levels. The reality is that what we did not see was the growth to deliver the growth in headcount to deliver the incremental AUD 58 million rather than any of that AUD 58 million associated with the cost of letting people go. That is because across all the Middle East countries, every month someone works, they get what they call long service accrual. If you do have to let them go, the cost has already been recognized. So you do not get the restructuring costs in the Middle East like you do in other parts of the world. That AUD 58 million is really around revenue and margin deferral, project deferral, not to do with their restructuring.
Chris Ashton: Well, it is a result of deferrals, Nathan. In the Middle East, you do not necessarily see costs associated with managing workflow levels. The reality is that what we did not see was the growth to deliver the growth in headcount to deliver the incremental AUD 58 million rather than any of that AUD 58 million associated with the cost of letting people go. That is because across all the Middle East countries, every month someone works, they get what they call long service accrual. If you do have to let them go, the cost has already been recognized. So you do not get the restructuring costs in the Middle East like you do in other parts of the world. That AUD 58 million is really around revenue and margin deferral, project deferral, not to do with their restructuring.
Speaker #2: And that's because across all the Middle East countries, every month someone works, they get what they call long service accrual. And so if you do have to let them go, the cost's already been recognized.
Speaker #2: So you don't get the restructuring cost in the Middle East like you do in other parts of the world. But that 58 million is really around revenue and margin deferral, project deferral, not to do with their restructuring.
Speaker #6: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And picking up, I guess, the implied margin guidance with your FY27 guidance, basically implies a flattish-type margin. Can you just give me and I would have thought that with CP2 moving into that more significant construction phase, that would have been a little dilutive to the margin.
Nathan Reilly: Okay. That is helpful. Thank you. Picking up, I guess, the implied margin guidance with your FY27 guidance, basically implies a flattish type margin. I would have thought that with CP2 moving into that more significant construction phase, that would have been a little dilutive to the margin. Can you just give us an idea of whether that is a sound assumption, but also whether there is any potential offsets in relation to that, particularly around cost outs?
Nathan Reilly: Okay. That is helpful. Thank you. Picking up, I guess, the implied margin guidance with your FY27 guidance, basically implies a flattish type margin. I would have thought that with CP2 moving into that more significant construction phase, that would have been a little dilutive to the margin. Can you just give us an idea of whether that is a sound assumption, but also whether there is any potential offsets in relation to that, particularly around cost outs?
Speaker #6: So can you just give us an idea of whether that's a sound assumption, but also whether there's any potential offsets in relation to that, particularly around cost outs?
Speaker #5: Yeah. So Nathan, if we look at the EBITDA percentage margin you're right, we would likely expect that to be relatively flat on what we saw in FY26.
Justine Travers: Yeah. Nathan, if we look at the EBITA percentage margin, you are right, we would likely expect that to be relatively flat on what we saw in FY26. Of course it is driven by the composition and the phasing of projects, at any point in time. You point to Venture Global as an example of that in terms of the construction phase. One of the things that we are able to do, as we look at the resilience of our margin over time, is really look at our GID utilization. We of course maintain that cost discipline. There is a couple of very deliberate levers that we look at to try and ensure that we are maintaining that margin resilience. I think it is important to note, we do not see any margin erosion in the work that we are bidding or selling into the market.
Justine Travers: Yeah. Nathan, if we look at the EBITA percentage margin, you are right, we would likely expect that to be relatively flat on what we saw in FY26. Of course it is driven by the composition and the phasing of projects, at any point in time. You point to Venture Global as an example of that in terms of the construction phase. One of the things that we are able to do, as we look at the resilience of our margin over time, is really look at our GID utilization. We of course maintain that cost discipline. There is a couple of very deliberate levers that we look at to try and ensure that we are maintaining that margin resilience. I think it is important to note, we do not see any margin erosion in the work that we are bidding or selling into the market.
Speaker #5: And of course, it is driven by the composition and the phasing of projects at any point in time. And you point to Venture Global as an example of that in terms of the construction phase.
Speaker #5: One of the things that we're able to do as we look at the resilience of our margin over time is really look at our GID utilization.
Speaker #5: We, of course, maintain that cost discipline. And so there is a couple of very deliberate levers that we look at to try and ensure that we're maintaining that margin resilience.
Speaker #5: I think it's important to note we don't see any margin erosion in the work that we are bidding or selling into the market. That has maintained and is strong.
Justine Travers: That has maintained and is strong. We do see as we go and expand across the value chain with the different scopes of work that we will undertake, we do see there is a mix of margins within those scopes of work. Chris, I do not know if you want to add anything.
Justine Travers: That has maintained and is strong. We do see as we go and expand across the value chain with the different scopes of work that we will undertake, we do see there is a mix of margins within those scopes of work. Chris, I do not know if you want to add anything.
Speaker #5: We do see, as we go and expand across the value chain, with the different scopes of work that we will undertake, we do see there is a mix of margins within those scopes of work.
Speaker #5: Chris, I don't think.
Chris Ashton: Yeah, no, I mean, that is right. So the margin we are winning work at is not changing. We are winning work at good margin. The thing that, like anything, the mix will vary. But the margin we are winning across all of our work, energy, chemicals, resources, is in line with that which we have been winning. So it is a mix impact. Then work in the future facing market, especially in power and data centers, we are getting better margin. So any margin shift is associated with mix rather than the margin we are actually bidding and winning work at.
Chris Ashton: Yeah, no, I mean, that is right. So the margin we are winning work at is not changing. We are winning work at good margin. The thing that, like anything, the mix will vary. But the margin we are winning across all of our work, energy, chemicals, resources, is in line with that which we have been winning. So it is a mix impact. Then work in the future facing market, especially in power and data centers, we are getting better margin. So any margin shift is associated with mix rather than the margin we are actually bidding and winning work at.
Speaker #2: Yeah. I mean, that's right. So the margin we're winning work at is not changing. We're winning work at good margin. The thing that like anything, the mix will vary.
Speaker #2: But the margin we're winning across all of our work, energy accountants, resources, is in line with that which we've been winning. So it's a mixed impact.
Speaker #2: And then work in the future-facing markets, especially in power and data centers, we're getting better margin. So any margin shift is associated with mix rather than the margin we're actually bidding and winning work at.
Speaker #6: That's helpful. Thank you.
Nathan Reilly: That is helpful. Thank you.
Nathan Reilly: That is helpful. Thank you.
Speaker #2: I'll just add one more thing as well, Nathan, is for some of these large delivery projects, whether it's reimbursable EPC or reimbursable EPCM, there are often incorporated into those performance milestone payments.
Chris Ashton: I will just add one more thing as well, Nathan, is, for some of these large delivery projects, whether it is reimbursable EPC or reimbursable EPCM, there are often incorporated into those performance milestone payments. So, that is just something to bear in mind as well. Not every project, but a number of the larger projects put performance milestone incentives into the contract.
Chris Ashton: I will just add one more thing as well, Nathan, is, for some of these large delivery projects, whether it is reimbursable EPC or reimbursable EPCM, there are often incorporated into those performance milestone payments. So, that is just something to bear in mind as well. Not every project, but a number of the larger projects put performance milestone incentives into the contract.
Speaker #2: So that's just something to bear in mind as well. Not every project, but a number of the larger projects put performance milestone incentives into the contract.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will now take our next question. And our next question comes from the line RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead, Gordie, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Gordon Ramsay of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead, Gordy, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Gordon Ramsay of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead, Gordy, your line is open.
Gordon Ramsay: Oh, okay. Thank you very much. Chris, you mentioned customers are turning to Worley for help in the Middle East, and that work volumes will lift in the H2.
Gordon Ramsay: Oh, okay. Thank you very much. Chris, you mentioned customers are turning to Worley for help in the Middle East, and that work volumes will lift in the H2.
Speaker #4: Okay. Thank you very much. Chris, you mentioned customers are turning to Worley for help in the Middle East and that work clients will lift in the second half.
Speaker #4: Can you confirm if you've been awarded any projects to repair damaged facilities?
Gordon Ramsay: Can you confirm if you have been awarded any projects to repair damaged facilities?
Gordon Ramsay: Can you confirm if you have been awarded any projects to repair damaged facilities?
Speaker #2: Yeah. We're it's fair to say we're working on a good number of the facilities that have been damaged, yeah? In the countries where we're operating, yes.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. It is fair to say we are working on a good number of the facilities that have been damaged, yeah, in the countries where we are operating. Yes. We have already got that work. In the Middle East, a lot of the work when it goes into EPC will be lump sum turnkey, which we will not do, but what we do is the contracts we get awarded out, we will often do the engineering for them, or we will be the program manager for the customers over them. But we are working on a significant number of damage assessment of facilities that have been damaged, across the countries, Saudi Arabia, UAE, in particular, which took the brunt of the damage. We are not doing anything Bahrain. There was some damage in Bahrain, but the predominant work that we are doing on the damage assessment and rebuild support is in Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. It is fair to say we are working on a good number of the facilities that have been damaged, yeah, in the countries where we are operating.
Chris Ashton: Yes. We have already got that work. In the Middle East, a lot of the work when it goes into EPC will be lump sum turnkey, which we will not do, but what we do is the contracts we get awarded out, we will often do the engineering for them, or we will be the program manager for the customers over them. But we are working on a significant number of damage assessment of facilities that have been damaged, across the countries, Saudi Arabia, UAE, in particular, which took the brunt of the damage. We are not doing anything Bahrain. There was some damage in Bahrain, but the predominant work that we are doing on the damage assessment and rebuild support is in Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
Speaker #2: We've already got that work. Now then, in the Middle East, a lot of the work when it goes into EPC will be lump sum turnkey.
Speaker #2: Which we won't do, but then what we do is the contractors get awarded that, we'll often do the engineering for them or we'll be the program manager for the customers over them.
Speaker #2: But we're working on a good, a significant number of damage assessment of facilities that have been damaged. Across the countries, Saudi Arabia, UAE, in particular, which took the brunt of the damage.
Speaker #2: We're not doing anything by our own. There was some damage in Bahrain, but the predominant work that we're doing on these damage assessment and rebuild support is in Saudi Arabia and UAE.
Speaker #4: Would it be fair to say that that work is included in your existing business relationship with them? I mean, you mentioned I think previously or you certainly made a release on this that you've extended the relationship with Saudi Arabia.
Gordon Ramsay: Would it be fair to say that that work is included in your existing business relationship with them? You mentioned, I think previously, or you certainly have made a release on this, that you have extended the relationship with Saudi Arabia. Would that just be part of that ongoing relationship?
Gordon Ramsay: Would it be fair to say that that work is included in your existing business relationship with them? You mentioned, I think previously, or you certainly have made a release on this, that you have extended the relationship with Saudi Arabia. Would that just be part of that ongoing relationship?
Speaker #4: Would that just be part of that ongoing relationship?
Speaker #2: Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Chris Ashton: Yeah.
Chris Ashton: Yeah.
Gordon Ramsay: Okay.
Gordon Ramsay: Okay.
Chris Ashton: Yeah.
Chris Ashton: Yeah.
Speaker #4: I really appreciate it if you can get a little bit more granular here. Are you seeing any changes to the composition of workflow between professional services, fabrication, construction, and procurement going forward?
Gordon Ramsay: I really appreciate it if you could get a little bit more granular here. Are you seeing any changes to the composition of workflow between professional services, fabrication, construction, and procurement going forward?
Gordon Ramsay: I really appreciate it if you could get a little bit more granular here. Are you seeing any changes to the composition of workflow between professional services, fabrication, construction, and procurement going forward?
Speaker #2: In the Middle East?
Chris Ashton: In the Middle East?
Chris Ashton: In the Middle East?
Speaker #4: Everywhere.
Gordon Ramsay: Everywhere. Overall.
Gordon Ramsay: Everywhere. Overall.
Speaker #2: We're going to be doing we're going to be doing more large full project delivery, which will in the future will include more E, more P, and more COCM.
Chris Ashton: We are going to be doing more large full project delivery, which in the future, will include more E, more P, and more C and CM. I mean, how brand new. Are you looking for an answer, yeah?
Chris Ashton: We are going to be doing more large full project delivery, which in the future, will include more E, more P, and more C and CM. I mean, how brand new. Are you looking for an answer, yeah?
Speaker #2: I mean, how granular are you looking for an answer, yeah?
Speaker #4: Well, I mean, I'm not just like let's say on a percentage basis. Are you seeing for instance, as CP2 is matured, work there has moved more into the construction phase from initially a lot of professional services work.
Gordon Ramsay: Well, let's say on a percentage basis, are you seeing, for instance, as CP2 has matured, your work there has moved more into the construction phase from initially a lot of professional services work. I am just wondering if you are seeing that with other projects overall or that that mix is being held relatively constant.
Gordon Ramsay: Well, let's say on a percentage basis, are you seeing, for instance, as CP2 has matured, your work there has moved more into the construction phase from initially a lot of professional services work. I am just wondering if you are seeing that with other projects overall or that that mix is being held relatively constant.
Speaker #4: And I'm just wondering if you're seeing that with other projects overall or that that mix is being held relatively constant.
Speaker #5: Maybe I can help, Gordon, just address that. Certainly for FY26, we saw procurement was probably around 30% of our revenue composition. And construction and fabrication was probably sitting around 17% or so.
Justine Travers: Maybe I can help, Gordy Ramey, just address that. Certainly for FY26, we saw procurement was probably around 30% of our revenue composition, and construction and fabrication was probably sitting around 17% or so, and our professional services revenue still sat at greater than 50% of what we were delivering. As Chris Ashton said, as we go forward and we do more full project delivery and we look at actually essentially getting a bigger piece of a bigger pie, we would expect to see all of those incremental elements actually increase. I am not expecting to see a really big shift in the relative proportion of those services within that mix.
Justine Travers: Maybe I can help, Gordy Ramey, just address that. Certainly for FY26, we saw procurement was probably around 30% of our revenue composition, and construction and fabrication was probably sitting around 17% or so, and our professional services revenue still sat at greater than 50% of what we were delivering. As Chris Ashton said, as we go forward and we do more full project delivery and we look at actually essentially getting a bigger piece of a bigger pie, we would expect to see all of those incremental elements actually increase. I am not expecting to see a really big shift in the relative proportion of those services within that mix.
Speaker #5: And our professional services revenue still sat at greater than 50% of what we were delivering. As Chris said, as we go forward and we do more full project delivery and we look at the actual potentially getting a bigger piece of a bigger pie, we would expect to see all of those incremental elements actually increase.
Speaker #5: I'm not expecting to see a really big shift in the relative proportion of those services within that mix.
Speaker #2: But the general directory is full project delivery, whether that's reimbursable EPC or reimbursable EPCM. So you will see an increased quantum of services that don't sit within the professional services bucket.
Chris Ashton: The general direction is toward full project delivery, whether that is reimbursable EPC or reimbursable EPCM. So you will see an increased quantum of services that do not sit within the professional services bucket.
Chris Ashton: The general direction is toward full project delivery, whether that is reimbursable EPC or reimbursable EPCM. So you will see an increased quantum of services that do not sit within the professional services bucket.
Speaker #4: And just lastly on your currently translation risk, this might sound like a dumb question, but have you ever thought about quoting all your projects in US dollars?
Gordon Ramsay: Just lastly, on your currency translation risk, this might sound like a dumb question, but have you ever thought about quoting all your projects in US dollars?
Gordon Ramsay: Just lastly, on your currency translation risk, this might sound like a dumb question, but have you ever thought about quoting all your projects in US dollars?
Justine Travers: Going forward, we will and are looking at our presentation currency. So to date, Worley has always looked at our, and have presented our results in AUD. Given the increasing proportion of revenue that we see coming from outside of Australia, we are certainly exploring moving to a USD presentation currency. We do not expect to make that move in FY27, but for the FY28 year, we would look at making that shift to reporting currency in USD.
Justine Travers: Going forward, we will and are looking at our presentation currency. So to date, Worley has always looked at our, and have presented our results in AUD. Given the increasing proportion of revenue that we see coming from outside of Australia, we are certainly exploring moving to a USD presentation currency. We do not expect to make that move in FY27, but for the FY28 year, we would look at making that shift to reporting currency in USD.
Speaker #5: I mean, going forward, we will and are looking at our presentation currency. So today, Worley has always looked at our and have presented our results in Aussie dollars.
Speaker #5: Given the increasing proportion of revenue that we see coming from outside of Australia, we are certainly exploring moving to a US dollar presentation currency we do not expect to make that move in FY27, but for the FY28 year, we would look at making that shift to reporting currency in US dollars.
Speaker #2: Yeah. I think it's a very I think it's a sense it's a good question. And we've talked about it internally we're looking at what it means.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. I think it is a good question. We have talked about it internally. We are looking at what it means, just from a systems point of view, what is it we need to do from an operational point of view, what does it mean? That work is underway and, for FY27, we will be looking to come back and inform everyone that we will move to USD reporting currency. Just a small, the amount of revenue that is coming through the AUD is not significant compared to USD paid currency. For me, it makes a lot of sense, as a number of other ASX-listed companies have done, shift to USD reporting. I think your line of questioning for us is in line with what we are thinking.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. I think it is a good question. We have talked about it internally. We are looking at what it means, just from a systems point of view, what is it we need to do from an operational point of view, what does it mean? That work is underway and, for FY27, we will be looking to come back and inform everyone that we will move to USD reporting currency. Just a small, the amount of revenue that is coming through the AUD is not significant compared to USD paid currency. For me, it makes a lot of sense, as a number of other ASX-listed companies have done, shift to USD reporting. I think your line of questioning for us is in line with what we are thinking.
Speaker #2: From a systems point of view, what is it we need to do from an operational point of view? What does it mean? But that work is underway.
Speaker #2: And by for FY28, we'll be looking to come back and inform everyone that we'll move to US dollar reporting currency. Just a small amount of revenue that's coming through the Aussie dollar is not significant compared to US dollar or US dollar paid currency.
Speaker #2: So for me, it makes a lot of sense as a number of other ASX listed companies have done. Shift to US dollar reporting. So I think your line of questioning for us is in line with what we're thinking.
Speaker #4: Okay. Thank you.
Gordon Ramsay: Okay. Thank you.
Gordon Ramsay: Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We would now take our next question from the line of Nikolai Dale from Barron Joey. Please ask your question, Nikolai. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of Nikolai Dale from Barrenjoey. Please ask your question, Nikolai. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of Nikolai Dale from Barrenjoey. Please ask your question, Nikolai. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Good day, Chris and Justine.
Nikolai Dale: Yeah, good day, Chris and Justine. My first question, FY27 EBITA growth obviously at this stage is going to be a bit lower than that double-digit growth target to FY30 that you gave at the recent Investor Day. How should we think about the recovery to that double-digit target over the following 3 years? Do you have confidence or line of sight for a return to that double-digit growth in FY28? Thanks.
Nikolai Dale: Yeah, good day, Chris and Justine. My first question, FY27 EBITA growth obviously at this stage is going to be a bit lower than that double-digit growth target to FY30 that you gave at the recent Investor Day. How should we think about the recovery to that double-digit target over the following 3 years? Do you have confidence or line of sight for a return to that double-digit growth in FY28? Thanks.
Speaker #3: Just my first question. FY27, EBITDA growth obviously at this stage is going to growth target to FY30 that you gave at the recent investor day.
Speaker #3: I mean, how should we think about the recovery to that double-digit target over the following three years? Do you have sort of confidence or line of sight for a return to that double-digit growth in FY28?
Speaker #3: Thanks.
Chris Ashton: Yeah, we do. Look, if we looked at some of the challenges we had in FY2026, were they not there? And they are there. Look, we have got to own it. I think we could have demonstrated that we were on track to deliver the kind of growth that we have been delivering historically. I say that because our pipeline has strengthened, bookings are strong, backlog is substantial. If we look at some of those projects that we have been awarding in the early phase of that, we will get delivery traction in the latter part of 2027 into 2028. If we look at some of the future-facing markets, power and data centers, that will be full project delivery. That gives me confidence that we can get back and get into that double-digit growth into FY2030.
Chris Ashton: Yeah, we do. Look, if we looked at some of the challenges we had in FY2026, were they not there? And they are there. Look, we have got to own it. I think we could have demonstrated that we were on track to deliver the kind of growth that we have been delivering historically. I say that because our pipeline has strengthened, bookings are strong, backlog is substantial. If we look at some of those projects that we have been awarding in the early phase of that, we will get delivery traction in the latter part of 2027 into 2028. If we look at some of the future-facing markets, power and data centers, that will be full project delivery. That gives me confidence that we can get back and get into that double-digit growth into FY2030.
Speaker #2: Yeah. We do. Look, if we looked at some of the challenges we had in FY26, were they not there? And they are there. Look, we've got to own it.
Speaker #2: I think we could have demonstrated that we were on track to deliver the kind of growth that we've been delivering historically. And I say that because our pipeline has strengthened.
Speaker #2: Bookings are strong. Backlog substantial. If we look at some of those projects that we have weren't been awarded when the early phase of that, we'll get delivery traction in latter part of 27 into 28.
Speaker #2: If we look at some of the future-facing markets, power and data centers, that will be full project delivery. That gives me confidence that we can get back and get into that double-digit growth into FY30.
Speaker #2: And some of these future-facing markets, especially in power, and the data centers, the driver for those customers is speeds to market and they are less cost sensitive than the markets that historically we've worked in.
Chris Ashton: Some of these future-facing markets, especially in power and the data centers, the driver for those customers is speed to market, and they are less cost-sensitive than the markets that historically we have worked in. So I am confident we can get to that level of growth going to 2030.
Chris Ashton: Some of these future-facing markets, especially in power and the data centers, the driver for those customers is speed to market, and they are less cost-sensitive than the markets that historically we have worked in. So I am confident we can get to that level of growth going to 2030.
Speaker #2: So I am confident we can get to that level of growth going to 2030.
Speaker #3: Thanks. That's helpful. And just a second one on later. Obviously, you sort of right-sized the headcount a bit in recent years. Just wondering how rates of employee attrition and sort of access to labor has evolved over the past 12 months.
Nikolai Dale: Thanks. That is helpful. Just a second one on labor. Obviously, you have right-sized the headcount a bit in recent years. Just wondering how rates of employee attrition and access to labor has evolved over the past 12 months, and then what you think is right headcount going forward for the business into next year.
Nikolai Dale: Thanks. That is helpful. Just a second one on labor. Obviously, you have right-sized the headcount a bit in recent years. Just wondering how rates of employee attrition and access to labor has evolved over the past 12 months, and then what you think is right headcount going forward for the business into next year.
Speaker #3: And then what you think sort of right headcount is going forward for the business into next year.
Speaker #5: Maybe I can help pick that up and Chris can add to it. And I guess you really are asking around that headcount and what maybe is the right number in terms of that sort of resource space.
Justine Travers: Maybe I can help pick that up and Chris Ashton can add to it. I guess you are really asking around that headcount and what maybe is the right number in terms of that resource base. Our workforce numbers will fluctuate as our project volumes and the phases change and as we move through. What we are really conscious of, as we did the restructuring work in FY2026, is to ensure that we have got the right people and the right resources in the areas where we see the greatest demand and growth, and where the customers essentially need those people to be. So I do not think it is right to say, are we at a set number and is that the right number of headcount?
Justine Travers: Maybe I can help pick that up and Chris Ashton can add to it. I guess you are really asking around that headcount and what maybe is the right number in terms of that resource base. Our workforce numbers will fluctuate as our project volumes and the phases change and as we move through. What we are really conscious of, as we did the restructuring work in FY2026, is to ensure that we have got the right people and the right resources in the areas where we see the greatest demand and growth, and where the customers essentially need those people to be. So I do not think it is right to say, are we at a set number and is that the right number of headcount?
Speaker #5: Our workforce numbers will fluctuate as our project volumes and the phases change and as we move through. What we're really conscious of and as we did the restructuring work in FY26 is to ensure that we've got the right people and the right resources in the areas where we see the greatest demand and growth and where the customers essentially need those people to be.
Speaker #5: So I don't think it's right to say are we at a set number and is that the right number of headcount? I absolutely think it will fluctuate depending on the project volumes and the phasing of the work and the nature of the work that we are doing over a period of time.
Justine Travers: I absolutely think it will fluctuate depending on the project volumes, the phasing of the work, and the nature of the work that we are doing over a period of time.
Justine Travers: I absolutely think it will fluctuate depending on the project volumes, the phasing of the work, and the nature of the work that we are doing over a period of time.
Speaker #2: Yeah. I think that's right. Look, and if you look at the headcount, look, it's been impacted, I said, there's been project deferrals in the North Africa business group.
Chris Ashton: Yeah, I think that's right. Look, if you look at the headcount, it's been impacted. As I said, there's been project deferrals in the North Africa business because they cannot get sulfur. Obviously, that is impacting headcount. We have always fluctuated in the headcount, but I am not concerned about it. If I look at the work that is ahead of us, we look at the bookings we have made, we look at where we are in some of the early phase of some significant project. I mean, Connah's Quay is a substantial project, and that will get traction in the H2 moving into 2028. So I am not too worried about where we are at the moment. Again, it is a bit like backlog. It is a headcount at a point in time. It is a data point in the mix, but you cannot look at it as a single data point.
Chris Ashton: Yeah, I think that's right. Look, if you look at the headcount, it's been impacted. As I said, there's been project deferrals in the North Africa business because they cannot get sulfur. Obviously, that is impacting headcount. We have always fluctuated in the headcount, but I am not concerned about it. If I look at the work that is ahead of us, we look at the bookings we have made, we look at where we are in some of the early phase of some significant project.
Speaker #2: They can't get so far. And obviously, that is impacting headcount. But we've always fluctuated in the headcount. But I'm not concerned about it. If I look at the work that's ahead of us, if we look at the bookings we've made, if we look at where we are in some of the early phase of some significant projects, I mean, Conners Quay is a substantial project.
Chris Ashton: I mean, Connah's Quay is a substantial project, and that will get traction in the H2 moving into 2028. So I am not too worried about where we are at the moment. Again, it is a bit like backlog. It is a headcount at a point in time. It is a data point in the mix, but you cannot look at it as a single data point.
Speaker #2: And that will get traction in the second half moving into 28. So I'm not too worried about where we are at the moment. Again, it's a bit like backlog.
Speaker #2: It's a headcount at a point in time. It's a data point in the mix, but it's not you can't look at it as a single data point.
Speaker #3: Fair enough. Thank you.
Nikolai Dale: Fair enough. Thank you.
Nikolai Dale: Fair enough. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We would now take our next question from the line of Nicholas Rawlinson from Morgan's. Please go ahead, Nicholas. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of Nicholas Rollinson from Morgans. Please go ahead, Nicholas. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will now take our next question from the line of Nicholas Rawlinson from Morgans. Please go ahead, Nicholas. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Hi, Chris and Justine. Thanks for taking my questions. And thanks for the additional color on those debt portfolio metrics. Could I just ask, how come we should still expect leverage to rise to two times when earnings are expected to grow in FY27, please?
Nicholas Rollinson: Hi, Chris and Justine. Thanks for taking my questions, and thanks for the additional color on those portfolio metrics. Could I just ask, how come we should still expect leverage to rise to 2x, when earnings are expected to grow in FY27, please?
Nicholas Rawlinson: Hi, Chris and Justine. Thanks for taking my questions, and thanks for the additional color on those portfolio metrics. Could I just ask, how come we should still expect leverage to rise to 2x, when earnings are expected to grow in FY27, please?
Speaker #5: Really, the leverage that we outline is an indication. It's a target to say we think it's reasonable to have a leverage at around two times as we saw for the FY26 year.
Justine Travers: Well, really, the leverage that we outline is an indication. It is a target to say, we think it is reasonable to have a leverage at around 2x. As we saw for the FY26 year, that was sitting at 1.8x, is where we landed. But we certainly do put an indication out there around what is the level at which we feel comfortable from a leverage perspective. We will manage that through the course of the year, ensuring that we maintain a good liquidity for the business, that allows us to ensure that we have got the flexibility as we move through, and deliver on our ambition to FY30.
Justine Travers: Well, really, the leverage that we outline is an indication. It is a target to say, we think it is reasonable to have a leverage at around 2x. As we saw for the FY26 year, that was sitting at 1.8x, is where we landed. But we certainly do put an indication out there around what is the level at which we feel comfortable from a leverage perspective. We will manage that through the course of the year, ensuring that we maintain a good liquidity for the business, that allows us to ensure that we have got the flexibility as we move through, and deliver on our ambition to FY30.
Speaker #5: That was sitting at 1.8 times is where we landed. But we certainly do put a indication out there around what is the level at which we feel comfortable from a leverage perspective.
Speaker #5: And we will manage that through the course of the year ensuring that we maintain a good liquidity for the business that allows us to ensure that we've got the flexibility as we move through and deliver on our ambition to FY30.
Nicholas Rollinson: Great. That is helpful. Thank you. Then, just following on from Ramon's question earlier, I know you mentioned Connah's Quay, but can you talk to the EPCM pipeline a bit more generally? I guess it just feels like the backlog decline might be a bit hard to arrest with the pure EPCM wins.
Nicholas Rawlinson: Great. That is helpful. Thank you. Then, just following on from Ramon's question earlier, I know you mentioned Connah's Quay, but can you talk to the EPCM pipeline a bit more generally? I guess it just feels like the backlog decline might be a bit hard to arrest with the pure EPCM wins.
Speaker #6: Right. That's helpful. Thank you. And then sort of just following on from Ramon's question earlier, I know you mentioned Conners Quay, but can you sort of talk to the APCM pipeline a bit more generally?
Speaker #6: Yeah. I guess just feels like the backlog decline might be a bit hard to arrest with the pure APCM wins. But yeah, came to understand the APC pipeline, please.
Chris Ashton: Yeah.
Chris Ashton: Yeah.
Nicholas Rollinson: Yeah, keen to understand the EPCM pipeline.
Nicholas Rawlinson: Yeah, keen to understand the EPCM pipeline.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. Look, we've got the Connah's Quay, we've got TC Energy. We've got some work that we'll announce around data centers and power generation. We've got a number of larger EPC. I think we've got 20 larger projects that we're working on in various phases. For me, I would look at the fact that we've got a really healthy and growing pipeline, and then look at the bookings that we're getting. But we are seeing an increasing number of larger, in our major projects and programs part of our business, we're seeing a large number of those. In fact, what's interesting, a customer came out last week, or it might have been earlier this week, and talked about their concerns about there only being a few companies who can support large project delivery of the kind that we're talking about.
Chris Ashton: Yeah. Look, we've got the Connah's Quay, we've got TC Energy. We've got some work that we'll announce around data centers and power generation. We've got a number of larger EPC. I think we've got 20 larger projects that we're working on in various phases. For me, I would look at the fact that we've got a really healthy and growing pipeline, and then look at the bookings that we're getting. But we are seeing an increasing number of larger, in our major projects and programs part of our business, we're seeing a large number of those. In fact, what's interesting, a customer came out last week, or it might have been earlier this week, and talked about their concerns about there only being a few companies who can support large project delivery of the kind that we're talking about.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Yeah. Look, we've got obviously we've got the Conners Quay. We've got TC Energy. We've got some work that will announce around data centers and power generation.
Speaker #2: We've got a number of larger EPC. I think we've got 20 I think it's 20 larger projects that will work on in various phases.
Speaker #2: So for me, I would look at the fact that we've got a really healthy and growing pipeline. And then look at the bookings that we're getting.
Speaker #2: But we are seeing an increasing number of larger in our major projects and programs sort of part of our business. We're seeing a large number of those.
Speaker #2: In fact, what's interesting, a customer came out last week or even though it might have been earlier this week and talked about their concerns about the only being a few companies who can support large project delivery of the kind that we're talking about.
Speaker #2: And that is important to them for their capital investment plan to get access to it. So we see that market presenting growing opportunity to us.
Chris Ashton: That is important to them for their capital investment plan to get access to it. So we see that market presenting growing opportunities to us, and if we look at the number that large projects and pros that we're working on, they're going to come through. They'll come through in the backlog. But we just can't control the timing of it. So Justine said the backlog is a point in time, but if you look at the future factored pipeline, that's very healthy, and it's a good portion of that is in the larger projects, EPC, EPCM. Just to re-emphasize, I've said often, we won't take on any lump sum turnkey EPC. When we're talking about EPC or EPCM, it's all reimbursable.
Chris Ashton: That is important to them for their capital investment plan to get access to it. So we see that market presenting growing opportunities to us, and if we look at the number that large projects and pros that we're working on, they're going to come through. They'll come through in the backlog. But we just can't control the timing of it. So Justine said the backlog is a point in time, but if you look at the future factored pipeline, that's very healthy, and it's a good portion of that is in the larger projects, EPC, EPCM. Just to re-emphasize, I've said often, we won't take on any lump sum turnkey EPC. When we're talking about EPC or EPCM, it's all reimbursable.
Speaker #2: And if we look at the number that large projects and programs that we're working on, they're going to come through. They'll come through in the backlog.
Speaker #2: But we just can't control the timing of it. So just instead, the backlog's a point in time. But if you look at the future fact that pipeline, that's very healthy.
Speaker #2: And it's a good portion of that is in the larger project EPC, EPCM. And just to emphasize, I've said all the time, we won't take on any lump sum turnkey EPC.
Speaker #2: When we're talking about EPC, EPCM, it's all reimbursable.
Speaker #6: Right. That's it from me. Thank you.
Nicholas Rollinson: Great. That's it from me. Thank you.
Nicholas Rawlinson: Great. That's it from me. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. That was our final question for today. I'll now like to turn the conference back to Chris for his closing comments.
Operator: Thank you. That was our final question for today. I'd now like to turn the conference back to Chris for his closing comments.
Operator: Thank you. That was our final question for today. I'd now like to turn the conference back to Chris for his closing comments.
Speaker #2: Oh, look, I'd just like to thank everyone for joining the call and the questions. And obviously, we'll have we'll be in Sydney for Thursday and Friday, Melbourne, Monday and Tuesday.
Chris Ashton: Oh, look, I would just like to thank everyone for joining the call and the questions. Obviously, we will be in Sydney for Thursday and Friday, Melbourne, Monday and Tuesday. We will meet a number of you at either the group lunches or one-on-one meetings. So, look forward to seeing you, and if you have any further questions, certainly get in touch with Kylie, and we will make sure that we get responses to you.
Chris Ashton: Oh, look, I would just like to thank everyone for joining the call and the questions. Obviously, we will be in Sydney for Thursday and Friday, Melbourne, Monday and Tuesday. We will meet a number of you at either the group lunches or one-on-one meetings. So, look forward to seeing you, and if you have any further questions, certainly get in touch with Kylie, and we will make sure that we get responses to you.
Speaker #2: We'll meet the number of you at either the group lunches or one-on-one meetings. So look forward to seeing you. And if you have any further questions, certainly get in touch with Kylie and we'll make sure that we get responses to you.
Operator: Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect your lines.
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