Q2 2026 Richelieu Hardware Ltd Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Richelieu Hardware's second quarter results conference call. At this time, all participant lines are in listen-only mode.
Operator: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Richelieu Hardware Q2 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session, which will be restricted to analysts only. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. Also note that this call is being recorded on 9 July 2026.
Speaker #1: Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, which will be restricted to analysts only. If at any time during this call you require assistance, please press star zero for the operator.
Speaker #1: Also note that this call is being recorded on July 9, 2026. Bonjour, mesdames et messieurs, et bienvenue aux résultats du deuxième trimestre 2025-2026 de Quincaillerie Richelieu.
Operator: Bonjour mesdames et messieurs et bienvenue aux résultats du deuxième trimestre deux mille vingt-cinq, deux mille vingt-six de Quincaillerie Richelieu. Présentement, vos lignes sont en mode d'écoute seulement. Suite à la présentation, nous allons procéder à une période de questions et réponses qui sera restreinte aux analystes seulement. Si vous avez besoin d'assistance au cours de l'appel, s'il vous plaît, appuyez sur l'étoile et le zéro. Veuillez prendre note que cet appel est enregistré le 9 juillet 2026. J'aimerais maintenant céder la parole à monsieur Richard Lord, président et chef de la direction. La parole est à vous.
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Speaker #1: J'aimerais maintenant céder la parole à Monsieur Richard Lord, président et chef de la direction. La parole est à vous.
Speaker #2: Merci. Thank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Richelieu's conference call for the second quarter and first half ended May 31, 2026.
Richard Lord: Merci. Thank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Richelieu's conference call for Q2 and H1 ended 31 May 2026. With me is Antoine Auclair, CFO and COO. As usual, note that some of today's issues include forward-looking information which is provided with the usual disclaimer, as reported in our financial filings. We recorded good growth and positive results during Q2. We have remained focused on acquisition strategy, completing one new acquisition, followed by two further ones after the end of the quarter. Three promising acquisitions, meeting our criteria and further strengthening our leading position in this high-growth market segment. Thanks to steady growth in our main market segment in Canada and the US, our sales increased respectively by 5.5 and 4.4% in US dollars for the US sales.
Richard Lord: [Foreign language]. Thank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Richelieu's conference call for Q2 and H1 ended 31 May 2026. With me is Antoine Auclair, CFO and COO. As usual, note that some of today's issues include forward-looking information which is provided with the usual disclaimer, as reported in our financial filings. We recorded good growth and positive results during Q2. We have remained focused on acquisition strategy, completing one new acquisition, followed by two further ones after the end of the quarter. Three promising acquisitions, meeting our criteria and further strengthening our leading position in this high-growth market segment. Thanks to steady growth in our main market segment in Canada and the US, our sales increased respectively by 5.5 and 4.4% in US dollars for the US sales.
Speaker #2: With me is Antoine Auclair, CFO and COO. As usual, note that some of today's issues include forward-looking information, which is provided with the usual disclaimer.
Speaker #2: As reported in our financial findings, we recorded good growth and positive results during the second quarter. We have remained focused on our acquisition strategy, completing one new acquisition, followed by two further ones after the end of the quarter.
Speaker #2: Three promising acquisitions meeting our criteria and further strengthening our leading position in this high-growth market segment. Thanks to steady growth in our main market segment in Canada and the U.S., our sales increased respectively by 5.5% and 4.4% in the U.S.
Speaker #2: Dollar for the U.S. sales. For total sales of $532.1 million, up 3.9 percent—an increase that would have been 5 percent on a comparable currency to 2025.
Richard Lord: For total sales of CAD 532.1 million, up 3.9%, an increase that would have been 5% on a comparable currency to 2025. Our sales to manufacturers accounted for 89% of our total sales, reaching CAD 473.7 million, up 3.8%, driven equally by internal growth and acquisitions. Our sales to retailers and the renovation superstores increased by 4.2% to CAD 58.4 million. EBITDA reached CAD 56.1 million and net income attributable to shareholders was up 3.2% to CAD 23.2 million. Regarding the execution of our acquisition strategy since the beginning of the year, we have completed four acquisitions: one in the US during Q1, another in Quebec during Q2, and two additional acquisitions after the end of the quarter in Canada.
Richard Lord: For total sales of CAD 532.1 million, up 3.9%, an increase that would have been 5% on a comparable currency to 2025. Our sales to manufacturers accounted for 89% of our total sales, reaching CAD 473.7 million, up 3.8%, driven equally by internal growth and acquisitions. Our sales to retailers and the renovation superstores increased by 4.2% to CAD 58.4 million. EBITDA reached CAD 56.1 million and net income attributable to shareholders was up 3.2% to CAD 23.2 million. Regarding the execution of our acquisition strategy since the beginning of the year, we have completed four acquisitions: one in the US during Q1, another in Quebec during Q2, and two additional acquisitions after the end of the quarter in Canada.
Speaker #2: Our sales to manufacturers accounted for 89 percent of our total sales, reaching $473.7 million, up 3.8 percent, driven equally by internal growth and acquisitions.
Speaker #2: Our sales to retailers and renovation superstores increased by 4.2 percent to $58.4 million. EBITDA reached $56.1 million, and net income attributable to shareholders was up 3.2 percent to $23.2 million.
Speaker #2: Regarding the execution of our acquisition strategy, since the beginning of the year, we have completed four acquisitions: one in the U.S. during the first quarter, another in Quebec during the second quarter, and two additional acquisitions after the end of the quarter in Canada.
Speaker #2: On May 1, we acquired Finium, a distributor and manufacturer based in Frampton, Quebec, specializing in premium wall covering panels with high aesthetic, decorative, and acoustic value.
Richard Lord: On 1 May, we acquired Finium, a distributor and manufacturer based in Frampton, Quebec, specializing in premium wall covering panels with high aesthetic, decorative, and acoustic value. These products stand out for their unique design, quality, and installation ease for both residential and commercial applications, and they fit perfectly with our decorative panel offering. On 26 June, we completed the acquisition of Solutions Acoustiques, which operates in the Greater Montreal and as a specialized distributor in acoustic solutions known for their performance and architectural design. On 8 July, we completed the acquisition of Winnec, a distributor of specialized hardware operating in the GTA area with three distribution centers. This reinforces our position in the key market of Ontario.
Richard Lord: On 1 May, we acquired Finium, a distributor and manufacturer based in Frampton, Quebec, specializing in premium wall covering panels with high aesthetic, decorative, and acoustic value. These products stand out for their unique design, quality, and installation ease for both residential and commercial applications, and they fit perfectly with our decorative panel offering. On 26 June, we completed the acquisition of Solutions Acoustiques, which operates in the Greater Montreal and as a specialized distributor in acoustic solutions known for their performance and architectural design. On 8 July, we completed the acquisition of Winnec, a distributor of specialized hardware operating in the GTA area with three distribution centers. This reinforces our position in the key market of Ontario.
Speaker #2: These products stand out for their unique design, quality, and ease of installation for both residential and commercial applications. They fit perfectly with our decorative panel offering.
Speaker #2: On June 26, we completed the acquisition of Solution Acoustic, which operates in Greater Montreal and has a specialized distributor in acoustic solutions known for their performance and architectural design.
Speaker #2: Then, on July 8, we completed the acquisition of Wineq, a distributor of specialized hardware operating in the GTA area with three distribution centers. This reinforces our position in the key market of Ontario.
Speaker #2: These four acquisitions completed since the beginning of the year add approximately $45 million in annual sales, bring new value expertise, new products, new customers, and further enhance the value we provide to our customers.
Richard Lord: These four acquisitions, completed since the beginning of the year, add approximately CAD 45 million in annual sales, bring new value expertise, new products, new customers, and further enhance the value we provided to our customers. In fact, the addition of Finium and Solutions Acoustiques strengthens our leadership in decorative and acoustic solutions to high-growth market segment, while further expanding our presence among architects and designers. This strategy builds on the recognition we received earlier this year with our Best of KBIS awards in two different product categories, and reflects our commitment to differentiate ourselves and remain a leader in innovation. I will now ask Antoine to review the financial highlights for Q2 and H1.
Richard Lord: These four acquisitions, completed since the beginning of the year, add approximately CAD 45 million in annual sales, bring new value expertise, new products, new customers, and further enhance the value we provided to our customers. In fact, the addition of Finium and Solutions Acoustiques strengthens our leadership in decorative and acoustic solutions to high-growth market segment, while further expanding our presence among architects and designers. This strategy builds on the recognition we received earlier this year with our Best of KBIS awards in two different product categories, and reflects our commitment to differentiate ourselves and remain a leader in innovation. I will now ask Antoine to review the financial highlights for Q2 and H1.
Speaker #2: In fact, the addition of Finium and Solution Acoustique strengthens our leadership in decorative and acoustic solutions to high-growth market segments, while further expanding our presence among architects and designers.
Speaker #2: This strategy builds on the recognition we received earlier this year with our Best of Cubist awards in two different product categories, and reflects our commitment to differentiate ourselves and remain a leader in innovation.
Speaker #2: I will now ask Antoine to review the financial highlights for the quarter and the first six months.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Richard. In the second quarter, sales reached $532.1 million, up 3.9 percent or $19.9 million, driven by 1.8 percent internal growth and 2.1 percent from acquisitions.
Antoine Auclair: Thanks, Richard. In Q2, sales reached CAD 532.1 million, up 3.9% or CAD 19.9 million, driven by 1.8% internal growth and 2.1% from acquisitions. At comparable exchange rates, sales growth would have been 5%. In Canada, sales totaled CAD 291 million, up 5.5%, despite flat sales in Ontario, where the market conditions remain more challenging. Sales to manufacturers amounted to CAD 246 million, up 4.5%, while sales to the hardware retailers totaled CAD 45 million, up 11.6%. In the US, sales grew to USD 175 million, up 4.4%. Sales to manufacturers reached USD 166 million, up 5.6%, with 3.1% coming from internal growth. In the hardware retailers and renovation superstores market, sales reached USD 9.6 million, down 12.7%.
Antoine Auclair: Thanks, Richard. In Q2, sales reached CAD 532.1 million, up 3.9% or CAD 19.9 million, driven by 1.8% internal growth and 2.1% from acquisitions. At comparable exchange rates, sales growth would have been 5%. In Canada, sales totaled CAD 291 million, up 5.5%, despite flat sales in Ontario, where the market conditions remain more challenging. Sales to manufacturers amounted to CAD 246 million, up 4.5%, while sales to the hardware retailers totaled CAD 45 million, up 11.6%. In the US, sales grew to USD 175 million, up 4.4%. Sales to manufacturers reached USD 166 million, up 5.6%, with 3.1% coming from internal growth. In the hardware retailers and renovation superstores market, sales reached USD 9.6 million, down 12.7%.
Speaker #3: At comparable exchange rates, sales growth would have been 5 percent. In Canada, sales totaled $291 million, up 5.5 percent despite flat sales in Ontario, where the market conditions remain more challenging.
Speaker #3: Sales to manufacturers amounted to $246 million, up 4.5 percent, while sales to the hardware retailers totaled $45 million, up 11.6 percent. In the U.S., sales grew to $175 million.
Speaker #3: Dollar up 4.4 percent. Sales to manufacturers reached $166 million in U.S. dollars, up 5.6 percent, with 3.1 percent coming from internal growth. In the hardware retailers and renovation superstores market, sales reached $9.6 million, down 12.7 percent.
Speaker #3: In Canadian dollars, total sales in the U.S. reached $241 million, up 1.9 percent over last year and accounting for 45 percent of total sales.
Antoine Auclair: In Canadian dollars, total sales in the US reached CAD 241 million, up 1.9% over last year and accounting for 45% of total sales. Sales to our US manufacturers market now represent 48% of total sales to manufacturers, further reflecting the growing importance of our US operations. For H1, total sales reached nearly CAD 1 billion, up 4.4%, of which 1.9% resulted from internal growth and 2.5% from acquisition. In comparable exchange rate, sales growth would have been 5.9%. In Canada, sales reached CAD 541 million, up 4.5%, including 2.9% from internal growth and 1.6% from acquisition. Sales to manufacturers totaled CAD 452 million, up CAD 21.6 million or 5%. Sales to hardware retailers and renovation superstores were CAD 88.7 million, compared to CAD 86.8 million, up 2.2%. In the US, sales amounted to USD 331 million, up 7.5%, with 3.7% from internal growth and 3.8% from acquisitions.
Antoine Auclair: In Canadian dollars, total sales in the US reached CAD 241 million, up 1.9% over last year and accounting for 45% of total sales. Sales to our US manufacturers market now represent 48% of total sales to manufacturers, further reflecting the growing importance of our US operations. For H1, total sales reached nearly CAD 1 billion, up 4.4%, of which 1.9% resulted from internal growth and 2.5% from acquisition. In comparable exchange rate, sales growth would have been 5.9%. In Canada, sales reached CAD 541 million, up 4.5%, including 2.9% from internal growth and 1.6% from acquisition. Sales to manufacturers totaled CAD 452 million, up CAD 21.6 million or 5%. Sales to hardware retailers and renovation superstores were CAD 88.7 million, compared to CAD 86.8 million, up 2.2%. In the US, sales amounted to USD 331 million, up 7.5%, with 3.7% from internal growth and 3.8% from acquisitions.
Speaker #3: Sales to our U.S. manufacturers market now represent 48 percent of total sales to manufacturers, further reflecting the growing importance of our U.S. operations. For the first half, total sales reached nearly $1 billion, up 4.4 percent, of which 1.9 percent resulted from internal growth and 2.5 percent from acquisition.
Speaker #3: At comparable exchange rates, sales growth would have been 5.9%. In Canada, sales reached $541 million, up 4.5%, including 2.9% from internal growth and 1.6% from acquisitions.
Speaker #3: Sales to manufacturers totaled $452 million, up $21.6 million or 5 percent. Sales to hardware retailers and renovation superstores were $88.7 million, compared to $86.8 million, up 2.2 percent.
Speaker #3: In the U.S., sales amounted to $231 million, up 7.5 percent, with 3.7 percent from internal growth and 3.8 percent from acquisitions.
Speaker #3: They reached $455 million in Canadian dollars, up 4.2 percent, accounting for 46 percent of total sales. In U.S. dollars, sales to manufacturers totaled $313 million, an increase of $23.2 million, or 8 percent, driven by 4.5 percent internal growth and 3.5 percent from acquisitions.
Antoine Auclair: They reached CAD 455 million in Canadian dollar, up 4.2%, accounting for 46% of total sales. In US dollars, sales to manufacturers totaled USD 313 million, an increase of USD 23.2 million or 8%, driven by 4.5% internal growth and 3.5% from acquisitions. Sales to hardware retailers and renovation superstores stayed the same compared to last year. Q2 EBITDA reached CAD 56.1 million, up CAD 1 million or 1.7% from last year. EBITDA margin was 10.6% compared to 10.8% last year. Slight decrease in percentage reflects the impact of tariffs, which proportionately increased both sales and cost of sales. H1 EBITDA totaled CAD 99.4 million, up 1.8%, with the EBITDA margin at 10%. Q2 net earnings attributable to shareholders amounted to CAD 23.2 million, up 3.2%, while diluted net earnings per share increased 2.4% to 0.42 from 0.41 last year. H1 net earnings attributable to shareholders reached CAD 37.6 million, up 3.5%.
Antoine Auclair: They reached CAD 455 million in Canadian dollar, up 4.2%, accounting for 46% of total sales. In US dollars, sales to manufacturers totaled USD 313 million, an increase of USD 23.2 million or 8%, driven by 4.5% internal growth and 3.5% from acquisitions. Sales to hardware retailers and renovation superstores stayed the same compared to last year. Q2 EBITDA reached CAD 56.1 million, up CAD 1 million or 1.7% from last year. EBITDA margin was 10.6% compared to 10.8% last year. Slight decrease in percentage reflects the impact of tariffs, which proportionately increased both sales and cost of sales. H1 EBITDA totaled CAD 99.4 million, up 1.8%, with the EBITDA margin at 10%. Q2 net earnings attributable to shareholders amounted to CAD 23.2 million, up 3.2%, while diluted net earnings per share increased 2.4% to 0.42 from 0.41 last year. H1 net earnings attributable to shareholders reached CAD 37.6 million, up 3.5%.
Speaker #3: Sales to hardware retailers and renovation superstores stayed the same compared to last year. Second quarter EBITDA reached $56.1 million, up $1 million, or 1.7 percent, from last year.
Speaker #3: EBITDA margin was 10.6 percent compared to 10.8 percent last year. The slight decrease in percentage reflects the impact of tariffs, which proportionately increase both sales and cost of sales.
Speaker #3: First half EBITDA totaled $99.4 million, up 1.8 percent, with the EBITDA margin at 10 percent. Second quarter net earnings attributable to shareholders amounted to $23.2 million, up 3.2 percent, while diluted net earnings per share increased 2.4 percent to $0.42 from $0.41 last year.
Speaker #3: First-half net earnings attributable to shareholders reached $37.6 million, up 3.5 percent. Diluted net earnings per share stood at $0.68 compared to $0.66 last year.
Antoine Auclair: Diluted net earnings per share stood at 0.68 compared to 0.66 last year. Q2 cash flow from operating activities before net change in non-cash working capital reached CAD 47.9 million, up 2.4% from CAD 46.8 million last year. Change in non-cash working capital used cash flow of CAD 28.5 million, primarily driven by a CAD 14.8 million increase in accounts receivable and CAD 9.4 million increase in inventories. As a result, operating activities generated a cash inflow of CAD 19.4 million for the quarter. For H1, cash flows from operating activities represented a cash inflow of CAD 36.6 million compared to a cash inflow of CAD 51 million last year. For Q2, financing activities used CAD 33.5 million in cash compared to CAD 23.3 million last year, primarily reflecting higher cash return to shareholders through CAD 7.6 million of common share repurchase in addition to quarterly dividend payment of CAD 8.6 million.
Antoine Auclair: Diluted net earnings per share stood at 0.68 compared to 0.66 last year. Q2 cash flow from operating activities before net change in non-cash working capital reached CAD 47.9 million, up 2.4% from CAD 46.8 million last year. Change in non-cash working capital used cash flow of CAD 28.5 million, primarily driven by a CAD 14.8 million increase in accounts receivable and CAD 9.4 million increase in inventories. As a result, operating activities generated a cash inflow of CAD 19.4 million for the quarter. For H1, cash flows from operating activities represented a cash inflow of CAD 36.6 million compared to a cash inflow of CAD 51 million last year. For Q2, financing activities used CAD 33.5 million in cash compared to CAD 23.3 million last year, primarily reflecting higher cash return to shareholders through CAD 7.6 million of common share repurchase in addition to quarterly dividend payment of CAD 8.6 million.
Speaker #3: Second quarter cash flow from operating activities before net change in non-cash working capital reached $47.9 million, up 2.4 percent from $46.8 million last year.
Speaker #3: Change in non-cash working capital used cash flow of $28.5 million, primarily driven by a $14.8 million increase in accounts receivable and a $9.4 million increase in inventories.
Speaker #3: As a result, operating activities generated a cash inflow of $19.4 million for the quarter. For the first half, cash flows from operating activities represented a cash inflow of $36.6 million, compared to a cash inflow of $51 million last year.
Speaker #3: For the second quarter, financing activities used $33.5 million in cash, compared to $23.3 million last year, primarily reflecting higher cash returns to shareholders through $7.6 million of common share repurchases, in addition to a quarterly dividend payment of $8.6 million.
Speaker #3: First half financing activities used cash flow of $58.6 million, compared to $44.7 million in 2025. In the first half, we invested $26 million, including $15.3 million for two business acquisitions and $10.7 million primarily for equipment required to maintain and improve operational efficiency, including IT equipment.
Antoine Auclair: H1 financing activities used cash flow of CAD 58.6 million, compared to CAD 44.7 million in 2025. In H1, we invested CAD 26 million, including CAD 15.3 million for two business acquisitions and CAD 10.7 million primarily for equipment required to maintain and improve operation efficiency, including IT equipment. We continue to maintain an outstanding balance sheet with working capital of CAD 629.5 million. I now turn it over to Richard.
Antoine Auclair: H1 financing activities used cash flow of CAD 58.6 million, compared to CAD 44.7 million in 2025. In H1, we invested CAD 26 million, including CAD 15.3 million for two business acquisitions and CAD 10.7 million primarily for equipment required to maintain and improve operation efficiency, including IT equipment. We continue to maintain an outstanding balance sheet with working capital of CAD 629.5 million. I now turn it over to Richard.
Speaker #3: We continue to maintain an outstanding balance sheet, with working capital of $629.5 million. I will now turn it over to Richard.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Antoine. In conclusion, we are integrating our acquisitions, while the current economic environment is creating attractive acquisition opportunities in our target markets. We are evaluating several opportunities and remain well positioned to pursue those that meet our strategic criteria and support our long-term growth.
Richard Lord: Thank you, Antoine. In conclusion, we are integrating our acquisitions while the current economic environment is creating attractive acquisition opportunities in our target markets. We are evaluating several opportunity and remain well-positioned to pursue those that meet our strategic criteria and support our long-term growth. We continue to differentiate ourselves by constantly expanding our product offering and bringing innovative solutions and emerging global design trend to the American market. By introducing products that are first to the market and many of them being exclusive with our own brand name. We have become a trusted partner for architects, designers, woodworking professional, and retailers. This relentless focus on innovation, product leadership, and value-added service combined with the strongest team and a strategically located distribution network is what defines Richelieu, reinforcing our competitive advantage and help our customers being more successful in their own business. Thanks, everyone.
Richard Lord: Thank you, Antoine. In conclusion, we are integrating our acquisitions while the current economic environment is creating attractive acquisition opportunities in our target markets. We are evaluating several opportunity and remain well-positioned to pursue those that meet our strategic criteria and support our long-term growth. We continue to differentiate ourselves by constantly expanding our product offering and bringing innovative solutions and emerging global design trend to the American market. By introducing products that are first to the market and many of them being exclusive with our own brand name. We have become a trusted partner for architects, designers, woodworking professional, and retailers. This relentless focus on innovation, product leadership, and value-added service combined with the strongest team and a strategically located distribution network is what defines Richelieu, reinforcing our competitive advantage and help our customers being more successful in their own business. Thanks, everyone.
Speaker #2: We continue to differentiate ourselves by constantly expanding our product offering and bringing innovative solutions and emerging global design trends to the American market. By introducing products that are first to the market and maintaining many of them exclusively with our own brand names—many of them being exclusive with our own brand name.
Speaker #2: We have become a trusted partner for architects, designers, woodworking professionals, and retailers. This relentless focus on innovation, product leadership, and value-added service, combined with the strongest team and a strategically located distribution network, is what defines Richelieu.
Speaker #2: Reinforcing our competitive advantage and helping our customers be more successful in their own businesses. Thank you, everyone. We will now be happy to answer your questions.
Richard Lord: We'll now be happy to answer your question.
Richard Lord: We'll now be happy to answer your question.
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Speaker #4: Hi, good afternoon. Richard, can you share how sales fared in the month of June and if there were any differences across categories or geographies? I think last time you highlighted Ontario as being particularly weak.
Hamir Patel: Hi. Good afternoon. Richard, can you share how sales fared in the month of June and any differences there across categories or geographies? I know, I think last time, you'd highlighted Ontario as being particularly weak, so any signs of turnaround there?
Hamir Patel: Hi. Good afternoon. Richard, can you share how sales fared in the month of June and any differences there across categories or geographies? I know, I think last time, you'd highlighted Ontario as being particularly weak, so any signs of turnaround there?
Speaker #4: So, any signs of a turnaround there?
Speaker #2: I think the sales performance is following the same trend that we had until the end of the last quarter. So, what we see is that Canada is doing well as a whole, except for Ontario.
Richard Lord: I think the sales performance follow the same performance that we had in the last quarter. What we see Canada is doing well as a whole, except for Ontario. I think Quebec is doing very well with a sales increase by more than 10%. Western Canada is also very healthy. I think it's over 5% increase. Basically, except for Ontario, Canada is pretty good. Ontario, I would say, in US, it's about the same everywhere. We have different market segments, like the specialized market, like the closet market, for example. We continue to experience sales between 15% and 20% increase. For the rest, we have basically a performance of 2% to 3% per market segment.
Richard Lord: I think the sales performance follow the same performance that we had in the last quarter. What we see Canada is doing well as a whole, except for Ontario. I think Quebec is doing very well with a sales increase by more than 10%. Western Canada is also very healthy. I think it's over 5% increase. Basically, except for Ontario, Canada is pretty good. Ontario, I would say, in US, it's about the same everywhere. We have different market segments, like the specialized market, like the closet market, for example. We continue to experience sales between 15% and 20% increase. For the rest, we have basically a performance of 2% to 3% per market segment.
Speaker #2: I think Quebec is doing very well, with sales increasing by more than 10%. Western Canada is also very healthy—I think it's over a 5% increase.
Speaker #2: So basically, except for Ontario, Canada is pretty good. Ontario, I would say, in the US, it's about the same everywhere, but we have different market segments, like the specialized market—like the closet market, for example. We continue to experience sales between 15 and 20 percent increase.
Speaker #2: For the rest, we have basically a performance of 2% to 3% per market segment. So, basically, we are satisfied with that, but I think what we have decided here in this company is that maybe we should invest a little bit more in salespeople, mainly in the US, in order to gain more customers and to move the market.
Richard Lord: Basically, we're satisfied with that, but I think what we have decided here in this company is that maybe to invest a little bit more in salespeople, mainly in the US, in order to gain more customers and to move the market. We think the market is in a kind of lethargy as we speak. I think we have to be more aggressive in visiting more customers and acquiring new customers and as a result, new sales as well. Basically, we don't think that the months to come in the near future will help us. We have to help ourselves by moving the sales.
Richard Lord: Basically, we're satisfied with that, but I think what we have decided here in this company is that maybe to invest a little bit more in salespeople, mainly in the US, in order to gain more customers and to move the market. We think the market is in a kind of lethargy as we speak. I think we have to be more aggressive in visiting more customers and acquiring new customers and as a result, new sales as well. Basically, we don't think that the months to come in the near future will help us. We have to help ourselves by moving the sales.
Speaker #2: We think the market is in a kind of liturgy as we speak. So I think we have to be—we have to be more aggressive in visiting more customers and acquiring new customers, and as a result, new sales as well.
Speaker #2: So basically, we don't think that the months to come in the near future will help us. So we have to help ourselves by making them move the stocks.
Speaker #4: Fair enough. And Richard, how much is Ontario as a percent of your Canadian business? Is that 40 or 50 percent?
Hamir Patel: Fair enough. Richard, how much is Ontario as a percent of your Canadian business? Is that 40%, 50%?
Hamir Patel: Fair enough. Richard, how much is Ontario as a percent of your Canadian business? Is that 40%, 50%?
Richard Lord: 44%.
Richard Lord: 44%.
Speaker #2: 40, 44 percent.
Hamir Patel: 44%, okay, great. I know. Yep.
Hamir Patel: 44%, okay, great. I know. Yep.
Speaker #4: Forty-four percent. Okay. And I know—I think, yep.
Antoine Auclair: I made it 17% of total sales.
Antoine Auclair: I made it 17% of total sales.
Speaker #3: I made it 17 percent of total sales.
Speaker #2: Of total sales, and including the US, everything.
Richard Lord: Of total sales. Including US, everything.
Richard Lord: Of total sales. Including US, everything.
Speaker #3: Yeah.
Antoine Auclair: Yes.
Antoine Auclair: Yes.
Speaker #4: Right. Okay. And then, I know—I think, Richard, in the past you highlighted some U.S. box business that was going to resume; I think it was supposed to start in Q2.
Hamir Patel: Right. Okay. then I know, I think, Richard, in the past, you highlighted some US box business that was going to resume. I think it was supposed to start in Q2. Has that all playing out here in Q3?
Hamir Patel: Right. Okay. then I know, I think, Richard, in the past, you highlighted some US box business that was going to resume. I think it was supposed to start in Q2. Has that all playing out here in Q3?
Speaker #4: Is that only playing out here in Q3?
Richard Lord: Yes. It has started. we're in the process of delivering our first order. basically, that's going to create more sales really for a couple of quarters. After that, it's going to be maybe flat for the next quarters, because once we fill up the stores, it takes a while before the reorder. after that, it's going to be, you can imagine, CAD 10 to 12 million yearly sales.
Richard Lord: Yes. It has started. we're in the process of delivering our first order. basically, that's going to create more sales really for a couple of quarters. After that, it's going to be maybe flat for the next quarters, because once we fill up the stores, it takes a while before the reorder. after that, it's going to be, you can imagine, CAD 10 to 12 million yearly sales.
Speaker #2: Yes, it has started. So we're in the process of delivering our first orders. Basically, that's going to create more sales for a couple of quarters.
Speaker #2: After that, it's going to be maybe flat for a couple of the next quarters, because once we fill up the stores, it takes a while before they reorder.
Speaker #2: But after that, it's going to be you can imagine 10 to 12 million dollar sales yearly sales.
Speaker #3: And I made it start in June.
Antoine Auclair: Amir, it started in June.
Antoine Auclair: Amir, it started in June.
Speaker #4: In June. Perfect. Okay. And just the last question I had. Antoine, your EBITDA margins averaged 10 percent in the first half. On the last conference call in April, you were pointing to an 11 percent average for the year.
Hamir Patel: June. Perfect. Okay. Just last question I had, Antoine, your EBITDA margins averaged 10% in H1. On the last conference call in April, you were pointing to an 11% average for the year. Is that 11% still looking achievable? What type of demand backdrop would you need to get margins to that sort of longer term, 12%, 13% objective?
Hamir Patel: June. Perfect. Okay. Just last question I had, Antoine, your EBITDA margins averaged 10% in H1. On the last conference call in April, you were pointing to an 11% average for the year. Is that 11% still looking achievable? What type of demand backdrop would you need to get margins to that sort of longer term, 12%, 13% objective?
Speaker #4: Is that 11 percent still looking achievable? And what type of demand backdrop would you need to get margins to that sort of longer-term 12 or 13 percent objective?
Speaker #3: Yeah, we would need a bit more rigor in the market to pump up those margins. But keep in mind, Amir, that the second half is always stronger than the first half.
Antoine Auclair: Yeah. We would need a bit more rigor in the market to pump up those margins. Keep in mind, Amir, that H2 is always stronger than H1. You understand as well that the very slight decrease, 0.2%, is basically due to tariff, because when we're passing through the tariff, we're passing the dollar. It has, for sure, a slight dilution on the percentage. We should be able to be close to the 11%, but we would need a bit more rigor in the market.
Antoine Auclair: Yeah. We would need a bit more rigor in the market to pump up those margins. Keep in mind, Amir, that H2 is always stronger than H1. You understand as well that the very slight decrease, 0.2%, is basically due to tariff, because when we're passing through the tariff, we're passing the dollar. It has, for sure, a slight dilution on the percentage. We should be able to be close to the 11%, but we would need a bit more rigor in the market.
Speaker #3: And you understand as well that the very slight decrease, 0.2, is basically due to tariff, because when we're passing through the tariff, we're passing the dollar.
Speaker #3: So it has, for sure, a slight dilution on the percentage. We should be able to be close to the 11 percent. We will need a bit—well, we will need a bit more rigor in the market.
Speaker #4: Okay, fair enough. That's all I had. I'll turn it over. Thanks.
Hamir Patel: Okay. Fair enough. That's all I had. I'll turn it over. Thanks.
Hamir Patel: Okay. Fair enough. That's all I had. I'll turn it over. Thanks.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Richard Lord: Thank you.
Richard Lord: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Next question will be from Zachary Evershed at National Bank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Next question will be from Zachary Evershed at National Bank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Next question will be from Zachary Evershed at National Bank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Good afternoon, everyone. This is Nate calling in for Zach. Thank you for taking my questions today. I want to ask first about the margins.
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): Good afternoon, everyone. This is Nate calling in for Zach. Thank you for taking my questions today. I want to ask first on the margins. Was there anything else to call out on the margin compression year over year other than tariffs? Because we noticed your gross margins fell around 200 basis points year over year, but your EBITDA margins only fell 20 basis points.
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): Good afternoon, everyone. This is Nate calling in for Zach. Thank you for taking my questions today. I want to ask first on the margins. Was there anything else to call out on the margin compression year over year other than tariffs? Because we noticed your gross margins fell around 200 basis points year over year, but your EBITDA margins only fell 20 basis points.
Speaker #4: So, was there anything else to call out on the margin compression year over year other than tariffs? Because we noticed your gross margins fell around 200 basis points year over year, but your EBITDA margins only fell 20 basis points.
Speaker #3: No, there's nothing else than that. So, structurally, it's the same. So really, the tariffs are definitely what has impacted the margin.
Antoine Auclair: No, there's nothing else than that. Structurally, it's the same. Really, the tariffs is definitely what has impacted the margin.
Antoine Auclair: No, there's nothing else than that. Structurally, it's the same. Really, the tariffs is definitely what has impacted the margin.
Speaker #4: I see. Okay. And with the aforementioned 11% EBITDA margin goal, how are you feeling about that, on top of the recent acquisitions now in the mix and the several you have currently evaluating in your pipeline?
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): I see. Okay. With the aforementioned 11% EBITDA margin goal, how are you feeling about that on top with recent acquisitions now in the mix and the few, I believe several, you have currently evaluating in your pipeline?
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): I see. Okay. With the aforementioned 11% EBITDA margin goal, how are you feeling about that on top with recent acquisitions now in the mix and the few, I believe several, you have currently evaluating in your pipeline?
Speaker #3: Yeah. Some of the ones we closed last year were businesses that we acquired that needed some more restructuring. The ones that we announced this year, in the second quarter, are businesses that are generating EBITDA already.
Antoine Auclair: Some of the one we closed last year were businesses that we acquired that needed some restructuring. The one that we announced this year in the second quarter are businesses that are generating EBITDA already. We're confident about these acquisitions. The one we just did will not dilute the EBITDA margin.
Antoine Auclair: Some of the one we closed last year were businesses that we acquired that needed some restructuring. The one that we announced this year in the second quarter are businesses that are generating EBITDA already. We're confident about these acquisitions. The one we just did will not dilute the EBITDA margin.
Speaker #3: So we're confident about these acquisitions. The one we just did will not dilute the EBITDA margin.
Speaker #4: Thank you very much. And we did notice also that capital expenditures ticked up to $7.5 million this quarter. Are there any plans you can tell us about?
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): Thank you very much. We did notice also that capital expenditures ticked up to CAD 7.5 million this quarter. Are there any plans you can tell us about?
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): Thank you very much. We did notice also that capital expenditures ticked up to CAD 7.5 million this quarter. Are there any plans you can tell us about?
Speaker #3: Yeah. No, basically, there's $2 million of IT equipment that we have to make every three to four years. So except that, it's pretty much back to maintenance capex.
Antoine Auclair: No. Basically, there's a CAD 2 million of IT equipment that we have to make every three to four years. Except that, it's pretty much back to maintenance CapEx. At the end of the year, we should be between CAD 18 and 20 million, like we told you guys earlier. We should be around that. We're looking at a few projects. We're looking at increasing our footprint in our Drummondville location. As you know, we have a building there. We have land available, so we're going to have some lease coming, expiring, and we're going to be building in Drummondville, Quebec. That should occur at the end of the year and the beginning of next year. Else than that, there's nothing else to mention.
Antoine Auclair: No. Basically, there's a CAD 2 million of IT equipment that we have to make every three to four years. Except that, it's pretty much back to maintenance CapEx. At the end of the year, we should be between CAD 18 and 20 million, like we told you guys earlier. We should be around that. We're looking at a few projects. We're looking at increasing our footprint in our Drummondville location. As you know, we have a building there. We have land available, so we're going to have some lease coming, expiring, and we're going to be building in Drummondville, Quebec. That should occur at the end of the year and the beginning of next year. Else than that, there's nothing else to mention.
Speaker #3: So, at the end of the year, we should be between 18 and 20 million, like we told you guys earlier. So we should be around that.
Speaker #3: We're looking at a few projects. So, we're looking at increasing our footprint in our Drummondville location. As you know, we have a building there.
Speaker #3: We have a land available. So we're going to be we're going to have some lease coming expiring and we're going to be building in Drummondville, Quebec.
Speaker #3: So that should occur at the end of the year and the beginning of next year. But other than that, there's nothing else to mention.
Speaker #4: Great, caller. Thank you. And one last one from me: How are you guys feeling about your working capital position? And do you have any targets you'd like to call out for this year or next year?
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): Great, Cuyler. Thank you. One last one from me. How are you guys feeling about your working capital position, and do you have any targets you'd like to call out for this year or next year?
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): Great, Cuyler. Thank you. One last one from me. How are you guys feeling about your working capital position, and do you have any targets you'd like to call out for this year or next year?
Speaker #3: No, I think working capital is pretty simple. It's accounts receivable and inventory. So I think on the AR side, we're in good shape. We have days sales outstanding around 45 or 46 days, which is pretty aligned with historical levels.
Antoine Auclair: I think working capital is pretty simple. It's accounts receivable and inventory. I think on the AR side, we're in good shape. We have a day of sales outstanding around 45, 46 days, which is pretty aligned with historical levels. On the inventory side, you've seen increases in the first two quarters. We've also captured some opportunistic acquisition in terms of inventory. Before price increase, we've closed some deals to bring in the inventory at a lower price. We've done that. We should see a reduction in H2. I'm hoping to see a reduction between CAD 5 to 10 million in H2.
Antoine Auclair: I think working capital is pretty simple. It's accounts receivable and inventory. I think on the AR side, we're in good shape. We have a day of sales outstanding around 45, 46 days, which is pretty aligned with historical levels. On the inventory side, you've seen increases in the first two quarters. We've also captured some opportunistic acquisition in terms of inventory. Before price increase, we've closed some deals to bring in the inventory at a lower price. We've done that. We should see a reduction in H2. I'm hoping to see a reduction between CAD 5 to 10 million in H2.
Speaker #3: On the inventory side, you've seen an increase in the first two quarters. We've also captured some opportunistic acquisitions in terms of inventory, so before price increases, we've closed some deals to bring in the inventory at a lower price.
Speaker #3: So we've done that, so we should see a reduction in the second half. I'm hoping to see a reduction between $5 to $10 million in the second half.
Speaker #4: Thank you very much. I will turn it over.
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): Thank you very much. I will turn it over.
[Analyst] (National Bank Capital Markets): Thank you very much. I will turn it over.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Antoine Auclair: Thank you.
Antoine Auclair: Thank you.
Operator: At this time, Mr. Lord, it appears we have no other questions. Please proceed.
Speaker #1: And at this time, Mr. Lai, it appears we have no other questions. Please proceed.
Operator: At this time, Mr. Lord, it appears we have no other questions. Please proceed.
Speaker #2: Thank you very much. It was very nice talking to you again. If you have any other questions, do not hesitate to call us.
Antoine Auclair: Thank you very much. It's very nice talking to you again. If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to call us. Thank you.
Antoine Auclair: Thank you very much. It's very nice talking to you again. If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to call us. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending. At this time, we ask that you please disconnect your line.
Operator: Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending, and at this time, we ask that you please disconnect your line.
Operator: Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending, and at this time, we ask that you please disconnect your line.