Q2 2026 Modulight Oyj Earnings Call
Speaker #1: You have joined the meeting as an attendee and will be muted throughout the meeting.
Seppo Orsila: Welcome to Modulight's Q2 Webinar. My name is Seppo Orsila, and as usual, I am here with our CFO, Mrs. Anca Guina.
Seppo Orsila: Welcome to Modulight's Q2 Webinar. My name is Seppo Orsila, and as usual, I am here with our CFO, Mrs. Anca Guina.
Speaker #3: Welcome to the Modulight Q2 webinar. My name is Sepp Porsila, and as usual, I'm here with our CFO, Mrs. Gwynne.
Anca Guina: Hello, everybody.
Anca Guina: Hello, everybody.
Speaker #4: Hello everybody.
Speaker #3: So, I'll again give a short wrap about what we are, what has been done, and I will cover the financials. Then, I will have some good news about the R&D pipeline, and then we'll recap the outlook, which remains unchanged, before summarizing. Then, we'll take all your questions.
Seppo Orsila: I will again give a short wrap about what we are, what has been done. Anca will cover the financials. Then I have some good news about the R&D pipeline. Then we will recap the outlook that remains unchanged before summarizing. Then we will take all your questions as usual. We are a life science company that fights cancer with science and technology. We have ample scientific evidence of that in the most prestigious journals with the leading cancer researchers in the world. We also sell the same laser technology to other high-value add applications, including flow cytometry, microscopy, semiconductor, quantum, and defense. Also, in this sector, we have made some progress during the summer. Here are some pictures from the recent therapies. I guess the highlight of the month clearly was one of the trials, of phase III trial, to be more specific, completing its patient recruitment.
Seppo Orsila: I will again give a short wrap about what we are, what has been done. Anca will cover the financials. Then I have some good news about the R&D pipeline. Then we will recap the outlook that remains unchanged before summarizing. Then we will take all your questions as usual. We are a life science company that fights cancer with science and technology. We have ample scientific evidence of that in the most prestigious journals with the leading cancer researchers in the world. We also sell the same laser technology to other high-value add applications, including flow cytometry, microscopy, semiconductor, quantum, and defense. Also, in this sector, we have made some progress during the summer. Here are some pictures from the recent therapies. I guess the highlight of the month clearly was one of the trials, of phase III trial, to be more specific, completing its patient recruitment.
Speaker #3: As usual. So, we are a life science company that fights cancer. With science and technology, we have ample scientific evidence of that in the most prestigious journals, with the leading cancer researchers in the world.
Speaker #3: We also sell the same laser technology to other high-value applications, including flow cytometry, microscopy, semiconductor, quantum, and defense. Also, in this sector, we have made some progress during the summer.
Speaker #3: Here are some pictures from the recent therapies. And I guess the highlight of the month clearly was one of the trials—the phase three trial, to be more specific—completing its patient recruitment.
Seppo Orsila: This obviously means that now we have started a so-called follow-up period. We will be following the condition of those patients in the phase III trial. This will last about a year. After that, we can make conclusions. Then there will be discussions with the FDA based on the results. Overall, the pipeline is progressing on many fronts. We have 36 projects at the end of last quarter, a little bit more than a year ago, but I think quite importantly, we made progress in several areas. Also progress in some of the projects outside the life science space. I am going to talk about those a little bit later. I think, for example, it is worth mentioning that one of the largest semiconductor players in the world, we have a couple of them as customers, but they gave us a formal approval to be a supplier.
Seppo Orsila: This obviously means that now we have started a so-called follow-up period. We will be following the condition of those patients in the phase III trial. This will last about a year. After that, we can make conclusions. Then there will be discussions with the FDA based on the results. Overall, the pipeline is progressing on many fronts. We have 36 projects at the end of last quarter, a little bit more than a year ago, but I think quite importantly, we made progress in several areas. Also progress in some of the projects outside the life science space. I am going to talk about those a little bit later. I think, for example, it is worth mentioning that one of the largest semiconductor players in the world, we have a couple of them as customers, but they gave us a formal approval to be a supplier.
Speaker #3: This obviously means that now we have started the so-called follow-up period, and we'll be following the condition of those patients in the phase 3 trial.
Speaker #3: This will last about a year. After that, we can make conclusions, and then there will be discussions with the FDA based on the results.
Speaker #3: And overall, the pipeline is progressing on many fronts. We have 36 projects, as in the end of last quarter—a little bit more than a year ago. But I think, quite importantly, we made progress in several areas.
Speaker #3: Also, progress in some of the projects outside the life science space—I'm going to talk about those a little bit later. But I think, for example, it's worth mentioning that one of the largest semiconductor players in the world—we have a couple of them as customers—but they gave us a formal approval to be a supplier.
Speaker #3: Also with them, we have worked on a number of different prototypes for a number of different instruments in their portfolio. EBITDA improved significantly, and we continue the positive trend started last year.
Seppo Orsila: Also with them, we have worked on a number of different prototypes to a number of different instruments in their portfolio. EBITDA improved significantly. We continued the positive trend started last year. We increased customer activity. During the summer and before and after, we actually continued to have several high-level visits from the customers, which we always felt as a good sign. I think Anca also felt that order collection-wise, things were good during the summertime. Cost savings continue to improve our productivity, but I also want to talk specifically about the platform thing, where we have been investing heavily since 2022.
Seppo Orsila: Also with them, we have worked on a number of different prototypes to a number of different instruments in their portfolio. EBITDA improved significantly. We continued the positive trend started last year. We increased customer activity. During the summer and before and after, we actually continued to have several high-level visits from the customers, which we always felt as a good sign. I think Anca also felt that order collection-wise, things were good during the summertime. Cost savings continue to improve our productivity, but I also want to talk specifically about the platform thing, where we have been investing heavily since 2022.
Speaker #3: We increased customer activity during the summer, and before and after, we actually continued to have several high-level visits from customers, which we always held as a good sign.
Speaker #3: I think Anca also felt that, order collection-wise, things were good during the summertime. So, cost savings continue to improve our productivity. But I also want to talk specifically about the platform thing, where we have been kind of investing heavily since 2022.
Speaker #3: And now we are seeing the results in many ways. Revenue: 1.6, slightly down, but I think within our expectation. As projects are maturing and there's going to be these kinds of, let's say, low phases, but we retain our outlook within them to grow also this year.
Seppo Orsila: Now we are seeing the results in many ways. Revenue, EUR 1.6, slightly down, but I think within our expectation as projects are maturing. There is going to be this kind of, let us say, low phases, but we retain our outlook. We intend to grow also this year. Free cash flow from operations improving slightly as well. Anca, if you cover the money side a little bit more in detail.
Seppo Orsila: Now we are seeing the results in many ways. Revenue, EUR 1.6, slightly down, but I think within our expectation as projects are maturing. There is going to be this kind of, let us say, low phases, but we retain our outlook. We intend to grow also this year. Free cash flow from operations improving slightly as well. Anca, if you cover the money side a little bit more in detail.
Speaker #3: Free cash flow from operations is improving slightly as well. But Anca, if you could cover the money side a little bit more in detail.
Anca Guina: Sure. My pleasure. In Q2, the PPT business continued the triple-digit growth. Now is generating more revenue than we would have used with the previous business model. We revised the pricing structure and updated the agreement with the customers to introduce a higher degree of long-term stability into the contractual structure, which is very important for us as the business matures and the treatments are approved. By revising pricing, I do not mean that we decreased the prices, but on contrary, we did increase monthly fees and treatment prices, basically. The revenue declined by 18%, partly due to project delays and rescheduling of some of the deliveries, but also due to the growing number of early-stage prototypes we delivered to large customers with mass production price. We consider that this business approach is justified because of the short and long-term potential.
Anca Guina: Sure. My pleasure. In Q2, the PPT business continued the triple-digit growth. Now is generating more revenue than we would have used with the previous business model. We revised the pricing structure and updated the agreement with the customers to introduce a higher degree of long-term stability into the contractual structure, which is very important for us as the business matures and the treatments are approved. By revising pricing, I do not mean that we decreased the prices, but on contrary, we did increase monthly fees and treatment prices, basically. The revenue declined by 18%, partly due to project delays and rescheduling of some of the deliveries, but also due to the growing number of early-stage prototypes we delivered to large customers with mass production price. We consider that this business approach is justified because of the short and long-term potential.
Speaker #4: Sure, my pleasure. So, in Q2, the PPT business continued its triple-digit growth and is now generating more revenue than we would have had with the previous business model.
Speaker #4: We revised the pricing structure and updated the agreement with the customers to introduce a higher degree of long-term stability into the contractual structure.
Speaker #4: This is very important for us as the business matures and the treatments are approved. And by revising pricing, I don't mean that we decrease the prices; on the contrary, we did increase monthly fees and treatment prices, basically.
Speaker #4: The revenue declined by 18%, partly due to project delays and the rescheduling of some of the deliveries, but also due to the growing number of early-stage prototypes we delivered to large customers at mass production price.
Speaker #4: We considered that this business approach is justified because of the short- and long-term potential. Profitability also improved this quarter, as Sepp already mentioned, and remained positive despite the decrease in revenues.
Anca Guina: Profitability improved also this quarter, as Seppo already mentioned, and remained positive despite the decrease in the revenues. EBITDA percent was 2.3%, which corresponds to an increase of EBITDA of 185% from Q2 2025. This improvement was driven by better margin structures for certain products and increased operational efficiency. Special thanks for this has to go to our technical team, who over the years, developed our laser platform so that it would require a minimum amount of configuration per customer. Also, the diversification of our customer base, along with the progress of growing number of projects, supported this development of the profitability, but at the same time, it increased the cost. Modulight product platform is suitable for an increasing number of customers, while the amount of configuration required is decreasing.
Anca Guina: Profitability improved also this quarter, as Seppo already mentioned, and remained positive despite the decrease in the revenues. EBITDA percent was 2.3%, which corresponds to an increase of EBITDA of 185% from Q2 2025. This improvement was driven by better margin structures for certain products and increased operational efficiency. Special thanks for this has to go to our technical team, who over the years, developed our laser platform so that it would require a minimum amount of configuration per customer. Also, the diversification of our customer base, along with the progress of growing number of projects, supported this development of the profitability, but at the same time, it increased the cost. Modulight product platform is suitable for an increasing number of customers, while the amount of configuration required is decreasing.
Speaker #4: EBITDA percent was 2.3%, which corresponds to an increase in EBITDA of 185% from Q2 2025. This improvement was driven by better margin structures for certain products and increased operational efficiency.
Speaker #4: Special thanks for this have to go to our technical team, who over the years developed our laser platform so that it would require a minimum amount of configuration per customer.
Speaker #4: Also, the diversification of our customer base, along with the progress of a growing number of projects, supported this development of profitability. But at the same time, it increased the cost.
Speaker #4: Modulight's product platform is suitable for an increasing number of customers, while the amount of configuration required is decreasing. Our financial performance evolution, together with the feedback we received from our customers and the relationships we developed over the year, proved the versatility of our product platform and the efficiency of our investments, and once again confirms our view on the scalability of the business.
Anca Guina: Our financial performance evolution, together with the feedback we receive from our customers and the relationships we developed with our customers over the years through the versatility of our product platform and the efficiency of our investments, once again confirm our view on the scalability of the business. The operating cash flow in Q2 was EUR 22,000 versus minus EUR 478,000 in 2025, and the net cash flow was minus EUR 1.3 million versus minus EUR 2.2 million in 2025. Please take.
Anca Guina: Our financial performance evolution, together with the feedback we receive from our customers and the relationships we developed with our customers over the years through the versatility of our product platform and the efficiency of our investments, once again confirm our view on the scalability of the business. The operating cash flow in Q2 was EUR 22,000 versus minus EUR 478,000 in 2025, and the net cash flow was minus EUR 1.3 million versus minus EUR 2.2 million in 2025. Please take.
Speaker #4: The operating cash flow in Q2 was €22,000, versus minus €478,000 in 2025. And the net cash flow was minus €1.3 million, versus minus €2.2 million in 2025.
Speaker #4: Please check.
Speaker #3: Yeah, maybe I'll just—sorry, Anca—make one additional comment. I think it was an excellent clarification when you talked about the revised pricing, and based on some investor relations feedback, we saw that people felt this revised pricing means reduction. But as Anca said, it actually means price increases.
Seppo Orsila: Yeah. Sorry, Anca.
Seppo Orsila: Yeah. Sorry, Anca.
Anca Guina: Yes.
Seppo Orsila: I will maybe make one additional comment. I think it was excellent clarification when you talked about the revised pricing and based on some investor relations feedback, we saw that people felt that this revised pricing means reduction, but as Anca said, it means price increases. Or how I would rather put it, is that now that the product is more mature, it produces more value, it is more verified, and thus it is justified to have a higher price tag, yet deliver even more value to the customer. This is, I think, something that you see in pharmaceuticals overall, that when something is very uncertain, you use less money, but when things become a little bit more solid, you are obviously happy to pay more. I think this is exactly same simple phenomenon that we are seeing here, and expect to see also in the future.
Anca Guina: Yes.
Seppo Orsila: I will maybe make one additional comment. I think it was excellent clarification when you talked about the revised pricing and based on some investor relations feedback, we saw that people felt that this revised pricing means reduction, but as Anca said, it means price increases. Or how I would rather put it, is that now that the product is more mature, it produces more value, it is more verified, and thus it is justified to have a higher price tag, yet deliver even more value to the customer. This is, I think, something that you see in pharmaceuticals overall, that when something is very uncertain, you use less money, but when things become a little bit more solid, you are obviously happy to pay more. I think this is exactly same simple phenomenon that we are seeing here, and expect to see also in the future.
Speaker #3: Or, how I would rather put it is that now that the product is more mature, it produces more value, it is more verified, and thus it is justified to have a higher price tag, yet deliver even more value to the customer.
Speaker #3: And this is, I think, something that you see in pharmaceuticals overall—that when something is very uncertain, you use less money, but when things become a little bit more solid, you are obviously happy to pay more.
Speaker #3: And I think this is exactly the same simple phenomenon that we're seeing here, and expect to see also in the future. And thanks, Anca, for reminding us of this fantastic work that our engineers have done.
Seppo Orsila: Thanks, Anca, for reminding this fantastic work that our engineers have done. Technical team has worked very hard since early 2022 to improve the platform configurability and applicability. Frankly speaking, even we do not have a slide on that. We could not possibly deliver all the prototypes, and especially at a much higher quality than we are doing today to many of the leading companies in semiconductor, quantum, and other industries in the world, obviously not forgetting the pharmaceutical companies, if we have not managed to do this several years of work to invest into the platform, its configurability and flexibility. This is really astonishing achievement, and that shows as reduced costs, but also in the number of units that we are able to ship.
Seppo Orsila: Thanks, Anca, for reminding this fantastic work that our engineers have done. Technical team has worked very hard since early 2022 to improve the platform configurability and applicability. Frankly speaking, even we do not have a slide on that. We could not possibly deliver all the prototypes, and especially at a much higher quality than we are doing today to many of the leading companies in semiconductor, quantum, and other industries in the world, obviously not forgetting the pharmaceutical companies, if we have not managed to do this several years of work to invest into the platform, its configurability and flexibility. This is really astonishing achievement, and that shows as reduced costs, but also in the number of units that we are able to ship.
Speaker #3: I mean, the technical team has worked very hard since early 2022 to improve the platform configurability and applicability, and frankly speaking, even though we don't have a slide on that—I mean, we could not possibly deliver all the prototypes, and especially at the much higher quality than we are doing today.
Speaker #3: To many of the leading companies in semiconductor, quantum, and other industries in the world—obviously not forgetting the pharmaceutical companies—if we had not managed to do this several years of work to invest into the platform, its configurability, and flexibility.
Speaker #3: So this is really astonishing achievement. And that shows us reduced cost, but also in the number of units that we're able to ship. Yes, it's a little bit pity that we on the sales side have not been able to sell to the big companies the prototypes at such a high price as we used to 5, 10 years back to startups.
Seppo Orsila: Yes, it is a little bit pity that we on the sales side have not been able to sell to the big companies the prototypes at such a high price as we used to five, 10 years back to startups. But on the other hand, I believe that things are now on a more solid basis. Thanks, Anca. Please continue.
Seppo Orsila: Yes, it is a little bit pity that we on the sales side have not been able to sell to the big companies the prototypes at such a high price as we used to five, 10 years back to startups. But on the other hand, I believe that things are now on a more solid basis. Thanks, Anca. Please continue.
Speaker #3: But on the other hand, I believe that things are now on a more solid basis. Yeah, thanks, Anca. Please continue.
Anca Guina: Yes. So for H1, the PPT business grew again, and it was an increase of 137% than in H1 2025. We see for this H1, positive EBITDA of 12%. Despite of the decrease of 13% in the revenue, EBITDA percentage improved by 29% from H1 2025. There was also positive development in operating profit, EBIT, and the result for H1 in 2026. The importance of our vertically integrated manufacturing facility continues to increase, and together with the versatility of our technology platform, it is strengthening our competitive position in our market. Operating cash flow was EUR 841,000 versus EUR -1.8 million in 2025. The net cash flow was EUR -1.8 million versus EUR -5.1 million. Please, Steve. So here you see a decrease in revenues and improved profitability for both quarter and half year periods.
Anca Guina: Yes. So for H1, the PPT business grew again, and it was an increase of 137% than in H1 2025. We see for this H1, positive EBITDA of 12%. Despite of the decrease of 13% in the revenue, EBITDA percentage improved by 29% from H1 2025. There was also positive development in operating profit, EBIT, and the result for H1 in 2026. The importance of our vertically integrated manufacturing facility continues to increase, and together with the versatility of our technology platform, it is strengthening our competitive position in our market. Operating cash flow was EUR 841,000 versus EUR -1.8 million in 2025. The net cash flow was EUR -1.8 million versus EUR -5.1 million. Please, Steve. So here you see a decrease in revenues and improved profitability for both quarter and half year periods.
Speaker #4: Yes. So for H1, the PPT business growth grew again, and it was an increase of 137% compared to the first half of 2025. We see for this first half a positive EBITDA of 12%.
Speaker #4: Despite a decrease of 13% in revenue, the EBITDA percentage improved by 29% from H1 '25. There was also positive development in operating profit, EBIT, and the result for H1.
Speaker #4: In Q2 '26, the importance of our vertically integrated manufacturing facility continues to increase, and together with the versatility of our technology platform, it's strengthening our competitive position in our markets.
Speaker #4: Operating cash flow was €841,000 versus minus €1.8 million in 2025. And the net cash flow was minus €1.8 million versus minus €5.1 million. Please check.
Speaker #4: Yes, so here you see a decrease in revenues and improved profitability for both the quarter and half-year periods. The headcount, as full-time equivalent at the end of the periods, was 62 versus 70 in 2025.
Anca Guina: The headcount as full-time equivalent at the end of the period was 62 versus 70 in 2025. The objective of our updated strategy for period 2026-2027 is strong annual growth and return to strong profitability. In addition, we aim to achieve positive cash flow by the end of the strategic period. We expect still quarterly fluctuations, but our diversified customer base and increased maturity of our projects give us confidence in growth over the strategic period.
Anca Guina: The headcount as full-time equivalent at the end of the period was 62 versus 70 in 2025. The objective of our updated strategy for period 2026-2027 is strong annual growth and return to strong profitability. In addition, we aim to achieve positive cash flow by the end of the strategic period. We expect still quarterly fluctuations, but our diversified customer base and increased maturity of our projects give us confidence in growth over the strategic period.
Speaker #4: The objective of our updated strategy for periods 26 and 37 is strong annual growth and a return to strong profitability. In addition, we aim to achieve positive cash flow by the end of the strategy period.
Speaker #4: We expect continued quarterly fluctuations, but our diversified customer base and increased maturity of our projects give us confidence in growth over the strategy period.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Anca. Quite a few things about the progress and the business have already been discussed. But as I said, the highlight of the month—or the quarter, I should say—is clearly the completion of patient recruitment in one Phase 3 project.
Seppo Orsila: Thank you, Anca. Quite a few things about the progress and the business already discussed. As said, the highlight of the month, or the quarter I should say, is clearly the completion of patient recruitment in one phase III project. I must say that in the end, it happened actually a little bit sooner than we were hoping for. This is a good basis to now work on the other projects, and then we will see what the results will be after a year or so. We continue to support our sites, and as said, we have been increasingly rewarded for that. The economics of the PPT are undisputable compared to the earlier business model.
Seppo Orsila: Thank you, Anca. Quite a few things about the progress and the business already discussed. As said, the highlight of the month, or the quarter I should say, is clearly the completion of patient recruitment in one phase III project. I must say that in the end, it happened actually a little bit sooner than we were hoping for. This is a good basis to now work on the other projects, and then we will see what the results will be after a year or so. We continue to support our sites, and as said, we have been increasingly rewarded for that. The economics of the PPT are undisputable compared to the earlier business model.
Speaker #3: And I must say that, in the end, it happened actually a little bit sooner than we were hoping for. So this is a good basis to now work on the other projects.
Speaker #3: And then we'll see what the results will be after a year or so. We continue to support our sites and, as said, we've been increasingly rewarded for that.
Speaker #3: And the economics of the PPT are indisputable compared to the earlier business model. So the strategy change by going heavily into the PPT around '22, '23, in my mind, is now starting to bear fruit.
Seppo Orsila: The strategy change by going into heavily on the PPT around 2022, 2023 in my mind, is now starting to show fruit and we have a clear direction and validation of the business model. Our vertically integrated factory, I said now already quite a few times, is attracting more customers and being seen as more and more value. The fact that we are also, or especially started the company as an indium phosphide fab, more specifically, has particularly this year increased customer interest. For those of you who do not know, basically all the telecom lasers are made of indium phosphide, and this is what the company was started on 26 years ago. We have a quite robust technology stack there and we are seeing several interest as the data center boom is exploding the demand for indium phosphide and indium phosphide-based products.
Seppo Orsila: The strategy change by going into heavily on the PPT around 2022, 2023 in my mind, is now starting to show fruit and we have a clear direction and validation of the business model. Our vertically integrated factory, I said now already quite a few times, is attracting more customers and being seen as more and more value. The fact that we are also, or especially started the company as an indium phosphide fab, more specifically, has particularly this year increased customer interest. For those of you who do not know, basically all the telecom lasers are made of indium phosphide, and this is what the company was started on 26 years ago. We have a quite robust technology stack there and we are seeing several interest as the data center boom is exploding the demand for indium phosphide and indium phosphide-based products.
Speaker #3: And we have a clear direction and validation of the business model. Our vertically integrated factory, as said now already quite a few times, is attracting more customers and being seen as more and more valuable.
Speaker #3: The fact that we are also, or especially, started the company as an indium phosphide fab, more specifically as—particularly this year—increased customer interest.
Speaker #3: And for those of you who don't know, basically all the telecom lasers are made of indium phosphide. And this is what the company was started on 26 years ago.
Speaker #3: So, we have quite a robust technology stack there, and we're seeing significant interest as the data center boom is exploding the demand for indium phosphide and indium phosphide-based products.
Seppo Orsila: Pilot production is progressing now with increasing number of customers, and they are progressing with their qualifications and ramp-ups. Very recently we also learned that one very large quantum computing company from United States has installed one of our prototypes into actually two of their different quantum computers, which are commercially running at the moment. We also were awarded a kind of a supplier status by a major semiconductor manufacturer. Customer base continues strong and while there are some drawbacks to that, like Anca mentioned, overall, we feel good about increasing the number of customers, which are very large, and especially on the other high value add segment. Many of them are literally top leading companies in their own categories in the world, and we are obviously honored to be their partners, very often exclusive technology partners. Our outlook remains the same.
Seppo Orsila: Pilot production is progressing now with increasing number of customers, and they are progressing with their qualifications and ramp-ups. Very recently we also learned that one very large quantum computing company from United States has installed one of our prototypes into actually two of their different quantum computers, which are commercially running at the moment. We also were awarded a kind of a supplier status by a major semiconductor manufacturer. Customer base continues strong and while there are some drawbacks to that, like Anca mentioned, overall, we feel good about increasing the number of customers, which are very large, and especially on the other high value add segment. Many of them are literally top leading companies in their own categories in the world, and we are obviously honored to be their partners, very often exclusive technology partners. Our outlook remains the same.
Speaker #3: Pilot production is progressing now with an increasing number of customers, and they are progressing with their qualifications and ramp-ups. Very recently, we also learned that one very large quantum computing company from the United States has installed one of our prototypes into actually two of their different quantum computers, which are commercially running at the moment.
Speaker #3: We also were awarded a kind of supplier status by a major semiconductor manufacturer. Our customer base continues strong, and while there are some drawbacks to that, like Anca mentioned, overall we feel good about increasing the number of customers, which are very large.
Speaker #3: And especially on the other high-value segment, many of them are literally top leading companies in their own categories in the world. And we are obviously honored to be their partners.
Speaker #3: Very often, exclusive technology partners. Our outlook remains the same as noted. We expect to grow revenue and EBITDA in the financial year 2026.
Seppo Orsila: As noted, we expect to grow revenue and EBITDA in the financial year of 2026. Anca outlined already the overall outlook and the strategic objectives. In summary, pipeline is increasing or developing, and number of big customers actually is flat compared to last quarter, but on growth year-on-year. Phase III project patient recruitment completed earlier than expected. Approved as supplier to one of the largest semiconductor companies in the world, semiconductor equipment companies to be more specific. Delivered lasers to a major quantum computer also now in production unit. EBITDA improved and sales reduced slightly. Customer activity remains high and even to some degree, kind of accelerating our efforts to improve the company's productivity and cash flow have kicked in as expected, and we have returned to a slight positive EBITDA, but obviously far away where we traditionally were and what makes us happy.
Seppo Orsila: As noted, we expect to grow revenue and EBITDA in the financial year of 2026. Anca outlined already the overall outlook and the strategic objectives. In summary, pipeline is increasing or developing, and number of big customers actually is flat compared to last quarter, but on growth year-on-year. Phase III project patient recruitment completed earlier than expected. Approved as supplier to one of the largest semiconductor companies in the world, semiconductor equipment companies to be more specific. Delivered lasers to a major quantum computer also now in production unit. EBITDA improved and sales reduced slightly. Customer activity remains high and even to some degree, kind of accelerating our efforts to improve the company's productivity and cash flow have kicked in as expected, and we have returned to a slight positive EBITDA, but obviously far away where we traditionally were and what makes us happy.
Speaker #3: And ANCA already outlined the overall outlook and the strategic objectives. In summary, the pipeline is increasing or developing, and the number of big customers is actually flat compared to the last quarter.
Speaker #3: But on growth, year on year. Phase three project, patient recruitment completed earlier than expected. Approved as supplier to one of the largest semiconductor equipment companies in the world, to be more specific.
Speaker #3: And delivered lasers to a major quantum computer, also now in production units. EBITDA improved and sales reduced slightly. Customer activity remains high and, to some degree, even accelerating.
Speaker #3: Our efforts to improve the company's productivity and cash flow have kicked in as expected. We have returned to a slight positive EBITDA, but obviously, we are still far from where we traditionally were and from what makes us happy.
Speaker #3: But this is a good moment to be in, and I must say that I'm super proud of the technical team. I think that this is really something that will give us a good basis to come back from the holidays and go into the second half.
Seppo Orsila: But this is a good moment to be in and I must say that I'm super proud of the technical team and I think that this is really something that will make us a good basis to come back from the holidays and go into the H2. Thank you. Antti, do you want to have some questions? I believe Daniel is not today in. Sounds like we don't have Antti on the line either, or at least I don't hear any questions. Nor we have open questions on the Q&A panel either.
Seppo Orsila: This is a good moment to be in and I must say that I'm super proud of the technical team and I think that this is really something that will make us a good basis to come back from the holidays and go into the H2. Thank you. Antti, do you want to have some questions? I believe Daniel is not today in. Sounds like we don't have Antti on the line either, or at least I don't hear any questions. Nor we have open questions on the Q&A panel either.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And Antti, do you want to have some questions? I believe Daniel is not in today. Sounds like we don't have Antti on the line either, or at least I don't hear any questions.
Speaker #3: Nor do we have open questions on the Q&A panel either.
Anca Guina: Maybe we have a problem with Antti's voice.
Anca Guina: Maybe we have a problem with Antti's voice.
Speaker #2: Maybe we have a problem with Antti's voice.
Speaker #3: Okay, so I'll take this opportunity to advertise the interest. I think they have a nice website, and they will probably add some Modulight content there later, as I believe we actually have a dedicated chat with them, as many times before in the past.
Seppo Orsila: Okay, so I'll take this opportunity then to advertise the Inderes. I think they have a nice website, and they will probably add some Modulight content later there as I believe we have actually a dedicated chat with them as many times before in the past. So I'll take Antti's questions there. But now we have a question on the line. You referred to we also successfully revised the pricing structure and introduced greater long-term predictability into the contractual structure, which is expected to support profitability going forward. What does this mean in practice? I guess Anca touched upon that a little bit, but it basically means, like Anca said, that there are several elements in our pricing, but very simplistically, all those elements were either increased or maintained flat. In fact, I believe that in this particular change, all were increased.
Seppo Orsila: Okay, so I'll take this opportunity then to advertise the Inderes. I think they have a nice website, and they will probably add some Modulight content later there as I believe we have actually a dedicated chat with them as many times before in the past. So I'll take Antti's questions there. But now we have a question on the line. You referred to we also successfully revised the pricing structure and introduced greater long-term predictability into the contractual structure, which is expected to support profitability going forward. What does this mean in practice? I guess Anca touched upon that a little bit, but it basically means, like Anca said, that there are several elements in our pricing, but very simplistically, all those elements were either increased or maintained flat. In fact, I believe that in this particular change, all were increased.
Speaker #3: So, I'll take Antti's questions there. But now we have a question on the line you referred to. We also successfully revised the pricing structure and introduced greater long-term predictability into the contractual structure, which is expected to support profitability going forward.
Speaker #3: What does this mean in practice? I guess Anca touched upon that a little bit, but I mean it basically means, like Anca said, that there are several elements in our pricing. But, to very simply state it, all those elements were either increased or maintained flat.
Speaker #3: In fact, I believe that in this particular change, all were increased. And why they were increased is that now we have a more mature thing—I mean, the trials have progressed, our technology is more proven. So thus, I wouldn't talk about a price increase, but rather a revision to reflect the more mature value.
Seppo Orsila: And why they were increased is that now we have a more mature thing. I mean, the trials have progressed, our technology is more proven. So thus, I wouldn't talk about price increase, but rather revision to reflect more the more mature value. So we're delivering more value to the customer, and thus the pricing can be a little bit more. And there are several components in the pricing. Obviously, our main offering has always been that you just pay for the patients you treat. But over the years, it has become apparent that especially for clinical trials, which can sometimes have delays or no patients treated, et cetera. Some time ago, we introduced monthly fees, and that obviously is one side of the predictability, so that even if there's no patients being treated, there is still a certain amount of fees to cover the costs.
Seppo Orsila: Why they were increased is that now we have a more mature thing. I mean, the trials have progressed, our technology is more proven. So thus, I wouldn't talk about price increase, but rather revision to reflect more the more mature value. So we're delivering more value to the customer, and thus the pricing can be a little bit more. And there are several components in the pricing. Obviously, our main offering has always been that you just pay for the patients you treat. But over the years, it has become apparent that especially for clinical trials, which can sometimes have delays or no patients treated, et cetera. Some time ago, we introduced monthly fees, and that obviously is one side of the predictability, so that even if there's no patients being treated, there is still a certain amount of fees to cover the costs.
Speaker #3: So we're delivering more value to the customer, and thus the pricing can be a little bit more, and there are several components in the pricing.
Speaker #3: Obviously, our main offering has always been that you just pay for the patients you treat. But over the years, it has become apparent that, especially for clinical trials—which can sometimes have delays or no patients treated, etc.—
Speaker #3: Some time ago, we introduced monthly fees, and that obviously is one side of the predictability, so that even if there are no patients being treated, there's still a certain amount of fees to cover the costs. These are actually not too modest either, from our perspective, and they're definitely helping to steady the incoming cash flows and revenue streams.
Seppo Orsila: And these are actually not too modest either from our perspective, and they definitely are helping to steady the incoming cash flows and revenue streams. I hope that this kind of clarifies the point. There is a question from the same person asking about the magnitude of the price revisions. They are not huge, but they are double-digit in percentage. I don't see further questions on the line, so thank you everyone for joining. Take a look at the Inderes panel over the weekend or Monday, and look forward to a nice autumn. Please enjoy the remaining days of the summer and talk to you again in October. Thank you very much.
Seppo Orsila: These are actually not too modest either from our perspective, and they definitely are helping to steady the incoming cash flows and revenue streams. I hope that this kind of clarifies the point. There is a question from the same person asking about the magnitude of the price revisions. They are not huge, but they are double-digit in percentage. I don't see further questions on the line, so thank you everyone for joining. Take a look at the Inderes panel over the weekend or Monday, and look forward to a nice autumn. Please enjoy the remaining days of the summer and talk to you again in October. Thank you very much.
Speaker #3: I hope that this clarifies the point. Then there's a question from the same person asking about the magnitude of the price revisions.
Speaker #3: They are not huge but they are double digit. In percentage. I don't see further questions on the line so thank you everyone for joining and take a look at the interest panel over the weekend or Monday and look forward to a nice autumn and please enjoy the remaining days of the summer and talk to you again in October.
Speaker #3: Thank you very much. Bye.
Anca Guina: Thank you. Bye.
Anca Guina: Thank you. Bye.
Seppo Orsila: Bye.
Seppo Orsila: Bye.
Operator: Goodbye
Operator: Goodbye.
