Q2 2026 Sunoco LP Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Thank you for standing by. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Sunoco and Sunoco Corp Q2 2026 earnings conference call.
Operator: Thank you for standing by. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Sunoco and Sunoco Corp. Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We do ask that you limit questions to one and one follow-up. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Scott Grischow, Senior Vice President of Finance. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you for standing by. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Sunoco and Sunoco Corp. Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We do ask that you limit questions to one and one follow-up. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Scott Grischow, Senior Vice President of Finance. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: All lines have been placed on mute. To prevent any background noise, after the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question, simply press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #1: To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We do ask that you limit questions to one and one follow-up. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Scott Grischow, Senior Vice President of Finance.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. On the call with me this morning are Joe Kim, President and Chief Executive Officer; Karl Fails, Chief Operating Officer; Austin Harkness, Chief Commercial Officer; Brian Han, Chief Sales Officer; and Dylan Bramhall, Chief Financial Officer.
Scott Grischow: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. On the call with me this morning are Joe Kim, President and Chief Executive Officer, Karl Fails, Chief Operating Officer, Austin Harkness, Chief Commercial Officer, Brian Hand, Chief Sales Officer, and Dylan Bramhall, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call will contain forward-looking statements that include expectations and assumptions regarding Sunoco LP's future operations and financial performance. Actual results could differ materially, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements based on subsequent events. Please refer to our earnings release, as well as our filings with the SEC, for a list of these factors. During today's call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and distributable cash flow as adjusted. Please refer to the Sunoco LP website for reconciliation of each financial measure.
Scott Grischow: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. On the call with me this morning are Joe Kim, President and Chief Executive Officer, Karl Fails, Chief Operating Officer, Austin Harkness, Chief Commercial Officer, Brian Hand, Chief Sales Officer, and Dylan Bramhall, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call will contain forward-looking statements that include expectations and assumptions regarding Sunoco LP's future operations and financial performance. Actual results could differ materially, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements based on subsequent events. Please refer to our earnings release, as well as our filings with the SEC, for a list of these factors. During today's call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and distributable cash flow as adjusted. Please refer to the Sunoco LP website for reconciliation of each financial measure.
Speaker #2: Today's call will contain forward-looking statements that include expectations and assumptions regarding Sunoco LP's future operations and financial performance. Actual results could differ materially, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements based on subsequent events.
Speaker #2: Please refer to our earnings release as well as our filings with the SEC for a list of these factors. During today's call, we will also discuss certain non-gap financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and distributable cash flow as adjusted.
Speaker #2: Please refer to the Sunoco LP website for reconciliation of each financial measure. The partnership continues its strong momentum in 2026 with second-quarter adjusted EBITDA of $996 million.
Scott Grischow: The partnership continued the strong momentum in 2026 with Q2 adjusted EBITDA of $996 million, excluding approximately $14 million of one-time transaction expenses. Based on our H1 results and our confidence in the outlook for the H2 of the year, we raised our adjusted EBITDA guidance range to be between $3.5 and 3.7 billion, an increase of $400 million from our original guidance range. Joe will provide more detail in his remarks, but this increase reflects the strength of our portfolio in realizing the value of recent acquisitions. Q2 distributable cash flow as adjusted was $608 million. On 27 July, we declared a distribution of just over $1 per common unit for both Sunoco LP common units and Sunoco Corp. shares. This represents a quarterly increase of 1.25% from the prior quarter and over 10% versus the Q2 2025.
Scott Grischow: The partnership continued the strong momentum in 2026 with Q2 adjusted EBITDA of $996 million, excluding approximately $14 million of one-time transaction expenses. Based on our H1 results and our confidence in the outlook for the H2 of the year, we raised our adjusted EBITDA guidance range to be between $3.5 and 3.7 billion, an increase of $400 million from our original guidance range. Joe will provide more detail in his remarks, but this increase reflects the strength of our portfolio in realizing the value of recent acquisitions. Q2 distributable cash flow as adjusted was $608 million. On 27 July, we declared a distribution of just over $1 per common unit for both Sunoco LP common units and Sunoco Corp. shares. This represents a quarterly increase of 1.25% from the prior quarter and over 10% versus the Q2 2025.
Speaker #2: Excluding approximately $14 million of one-time transaction expenses. Based on our first half results and our confidence in the outlook for the second half of the year, we raised our adjusted EBITDA guidance range to be between $3.5 and $3.7 billion.
Speaker #2: An increase of $400 million from our original guidance range. Joe will provide more detail in his remarks, but this increase reflects the strength of our portfolio and realizing the value of recent acquisitions.
Speaker #2: Second-quarter distributable cash flow as adjusted was $608 million. On July 27, we declared a distribution of just over $1 per common unit for both Sunoco LP common units and Sunoco Corp shares.
Speaker #2: This represents a quarterly increase of 1.25% from the prior quarter and over 10% versus the second quarter of 2025. Our business continues to generate strong cash flows, resulting in a trailing 12-month coverage ratio of 2.1 times.
Scott Grischow: Our business continues to generate strong cash flows, resulting in a trailing 12-month coverage ratio of 2.1x. Our balance sheet and liquidity position remains strong. We had $2.3 billion in availability under our revolving credit facility at the end of the quarter, and leverage was approximately 3.7x below our long-term target. Finally, we spent $125 million on growth capital and $77 million on maintenance capital. I want to wrap up my comments by stating that our financial position is stronger than ever. Our balance sheet is below our long-term target, and our distribution is comfortably on pace to meet our multi-year growth rate of at least 5%.
Scott Grischow: Our business continues to generate strong cash flows, resulting in a trailing 12-month coverage ratio of 2.1x. Our balance sheet and liquidity position remains strong. We had $2.3 billion in availability under our revolving credit facility at the end of the quarter, and leverage was approximately 3.7x below our long-term target. Finally, we spent $125 million on growth capital and $77 million on maintenance capital. I want to wrap up my comments by stating that our financial position is stronger than ever. Our balance sheet is below our long-term target, and our distribution is comfortably on pace to meet our multi-year growth rate of at least 5%.
Speaker #2: Our balance sheet and liquidity position remains strong. We had $2.3 billion in availability under our revolving credit facility at the end of the quarter, and leverage was approximately 3.7 times, below our long-term target.
Speaker #2: Finally, we spent $125 million on growth capital and $77 million on maintenance capital. I want to wrap up my comments by stating that our financial position is stronger than ever.
Speaker #2: Our balance sheet is below our long-term target, and our distribution is comfortably on pace, to meet our multi-year growth rate of at least 5%.
Speaker #2: Our proven history of executing on highly accretive acquisitions, both larger transactions and bolt-on opportunities, combined with our quick-spend, quick-return organic growth projects, will continue to create a positive feedback loop.
Scott Grischow: Our proven history of executing on highly accretive acquisitions, both larger transactions and bolt-on opportunities, combined with our quick spend, quick return organic growth projects, will continue to create a positive feedback loop, resulting in increased cash flows to be redeployed across our capital allocation strategy. We are confident this will provide top-tier returns for our investors in the coming years. With that, I'll turn it over to Karl to walk through some additional thoughts on our Q2 performance.
Scott Grischow: Our proven history of executing on highly accretive acquisitions, both larger transactions and bolt-on opportunities, combined with our quick spend, quick return organic growth projects, will continue to create a positive feedback loop, resulting in increased cash flows to be redeployed across our capital allocation strategy. We are confident this will provide top-tier returns for our investors in the coming years. With that, I'll turn it over to Karl to walk through some additional thoughts on our Q2 performance.
Speaker #2: Resulting in increased cash flows to be redeployed across our capital allocation strategy. We are confident this will provide top-tier returns for our investors in the coming years.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn it over to Karl to walk through some additional thoughts on our second-quarter performance.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everyone. In his remarks on our first-quarter call, Joe highlighted that we are both a defensive play as we distinguish ourselves in challenging environments, and a proven growth play.
Karl Fails: Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everyone. In his remarks on our Q1 call, Joe highlighted that we are both a defensive play, as we distinguish ourselves in challenging environments, and a proven growth play. Both are on full display in our Q2 results. Let me walk through our segment performance for the quarter and how each segment contributed to the outstanding overall result. In addition, each segment remains well-positioned to contribute meaningfully toward achieving our increased 2026 EBITDA guidance. Starting with our fuel distribution segment. adjusted EBITDA was $516 million, excluding $12 million of transaction expenses. This compares to $538 million last quarter and $214 million in the Q2 of 2025, both excluding transaction expenses. Remember that our Q1 results included the 7-Eleven makeup payment and the $92 million one-time benefit of inventory reduction.
Karl Fails: Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everyone. In his remarks on our Q1 call, Joe highlighted that we are both a defensive play, as we distinguish ourselves in challenging environments, and a proven growth play. Both are on full display in our Q2 results. Let me walk through our segment performance for the quarter and how each segment contributed to the outstanding overall result. In addition, each segment remains well-positioned to contribute meaningfully toward achieving our increased 2026 EBITDA guidance. Starting with our fuel distribution segment. adjusted EBITDA was $516 million, excluding $12 million of transaction expenses. This compares to $538 million last quarter and $214 million in the Q2 of 2025, both excluding transaction expenses. Remember that our Q1 results included the 7-Eleven makeup payment and the $92 million one-time benefit of inventory reduction.
Speaker #3: Both are on full display in our second-quarter results. Let me walk through our segment performance for the quarter, and how each segment contributed to the outstanding overall results.
Speaker #3: In addition, each segment remains well-positioned to contribute meaningfully toward achieving our increased 2026 EBITDA guidance. Starting with our Fuel Distribution segment, adjusted EBITDA was $516 million, excluding $12 million of transaction expenses.
Speaker #3: This compares to $538 million last quarter, and $214 million in the second quarter of 2025. Both excluding transaction expenses. Remember that our first-quarter results included the 7/11 make-up payment and the $92 million one-time benefit of inventory reduction.
Speaker #3: The very strong performance this quarter demonstrates the strength in our much larger and diverse fuel distribution portfolio, and the successful execution of our ongoing gross profit optimization and growth strategies.
Karl Fails: The very strong performance this quarter demonstrates the strength in our much larger and diverse fuel distribution portfolio and the successful execution of our ongoing gross profit optimization and growth strategies. We distributed 4.1 billion gallons, up 9% versus last quarter and up 89% versus the Q2 of last year. We continue to deliver volume increases and outperform industry benchmarks as a result of the effective use of capital, both organic and roll-up acquisitions. In addition, during periods of market uncertainty like the Q2, our commercial teams find opportunities to supply additional customers as we grow our reputation as a reliable fuel supplier in the markets in which we operate. Reported margin for the quarter was $0.171 per gallon compared to $0.17 per gallon last quarter and $0.105 per gallon for the Q2 of 2025.
Karl Fails: The very strong performance this quarter demonstrates the strength in our much larger and diverse fuel distribution portfolio and the successful execution of our ongoing gross profit optimization and growth strategies. We distributed 4.1 billion gallons, up 9% versus last quarter and up 89% versus the Q2 of last year. We continue to deliver volume increases and outperform industry benchmarks as a result of the effective use of capital, both organic and roll-up acquisitions. In addition, during periods of market uncertainty like the Q2, our commercial teams find opportunities to supply additional customers as we grow our reputation as a reliable fuel supplier in the markets in which we operate. Reported margin for the quarter was $0.171 per gallon compared to $0.17 per gallon last quarter and $0.105 per gallon for the Q2 of 2025.
Speaker #3: We distributed $4.1 billion gallons, up 9% versus last quarter, and up 89% versus the second quarter of last year. We continue to deliver volume increases and outperform industry benchmarks as a result of the effective use of capital.
Speaker #3: Both organic and roll-up acquisitions. In addition, during periods of market uncertainty like the second quarter, our commercial teams find opportunities to supply additional customers as we grow our reputation as a reliable fuel supplier in the markets in which we operate.
Speaker #3: Reported margins for the quarter were $17.10 per gallon, compared to $0.17 per gallon last quarter, and $10.50 per gallon for the second quarter of 2025.
Speaker #3: We saw a return of significant market volatility during the quarter, with periods of sharp increases in price followed by declining prices near the end of the quarter.
Karl Fails: We saw a return of significant market volatility during the quarter, with periods of sharp increases in price, followed by declining prices near the end of the quarter. As we have mentioned many times, this volatility, coupled with the continued presence of higher breakeven margins, provides a strong foundation for our fuel distribution business. Once you add on our proven track record of growth, you can see why we remain very excited about this part of our business. In our pipeline system segment, adjusted EBITDA for the Q2 was $190 million, compared to $179 million last quarter and $177 million in the Q2 of 2025. On the volume side, we reported 1.3 million barrels per day of throughput, up 4% from last quarter and up 9% from the same quarter last year. This segment continues to optimize the use of our assets to provide steady and stable income.
Karl Fails: We saw a return of significant market volatility during the quarter, with periods of sharp increases in price, followed by declining prices near the end of the quarter. As we have mentioned many times, this volatility, coupled with the continued presence of higher breakeven margins, provides a strong foundation for our fuel distribution business. Once you add on our proven track record of growth, you can see why we remain very excited about this part of our business. In our pipeline system segment, adjusted EBITDA for the Q2 was $190 million, compared to $179 million last quarter and $177 million in the Q2 of 2025. On the volume side, we reported 1.3 million barrels per day of throughput, up 4% from last quarter and up 9% from the same quarter last year. This segment continues to optimize the use of our assets to provide steady and stable income.
Speaker #3: As we have mentioned many times, this volatility coupled with the continued presence of higher break-even margins provides a strong foundation for our fuel distribution business.
Speaker #3: Once you add on our proven track record of growth, you can see why we remain very excited about this part of our business. In our pipeline systems segment, adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $190 million.
Speaker #3: Compared to $179 million last quarter, and $177 million in the second quarter of 2025. On the volume side, we reported $1.3 million barrels per day of throughput, up 4% from last quarter, and up 9% from the same quarter last year.
Speaker #3: This segment continues to optimize the use of our assets to provide steady and stable income. Moving on to our terminal segment, adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $115 million.
Karl Fails: Moving on to our terminal segment. Adjusted EBITDA for Q2 was $115 million, excluding $2 million of transaction expenses. This compares to $107 million last quarter and $73 million in Q2 of last year, excluding transaction expenses. We reported 1.1 million barrels per day of throughput, up 5% from last quarter and 52% from the same quarter last year. Growth in both earnings and volumes in this segment were supported by a full quarter of the TanQuid acquisition. This segment continues to deliver stable results that predictably and accretively grow as we add to the portfolio. Turning to our refinery segment, adjusted EBITDA for Q2 was $175 million, compared to $43 million last quarter. Refinery throughput was 57,000 barrels per day, compared to 22,000 barrels per day last quarter, which was reduced as a result of our planned turnaround.
Karl Fails: Moving on to our terminal segment. Adjusted EBITDA for Q2 was $115 million, excluding $2 million of transaction expenses. This compares to $107 million last quarter and $73 million in Q2 of last year, excluding transaction expenses. We reported 1.1 million barrels per day of throughput, up 5% from last quarter and 52% from the same quarter last year. Growth in both earnings and volumes in this segment were supported by a full quarter of the TanQuid acquisition. This segment continues to deliver stable results that predictably and accretively grow as we add to the portfolio. Turning to our refinery segment, adjusted EBITDA for Q2 was $175 million, compared to $43 million last quarter. Refinery throughput was 57,000 barrels per day, compared to 22,000 barrels per day last quarter, which was reduced as a result of our planned turnaround.
Speaker #3: Excluding $2 million of transaction expenses. This compares to $107 million last quarter, and $73 million in the second quarter of last year. Excluding transaction expenses.
Speaker #3: We reported $1.1 million barrels per day of throughput, up 5% from last quarter, and $52% from the same quarter last year. Growth in both earnings and volumes in this segment was supported by a full quarter of the tankwood acquisition.
Speaker #3: This segment continues to deliver stable results at predictably and accretively grow as we add to the portfolio. Turning to our refinery segment, adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $175 million.
Speaker #3: Compared to $43 million last quarter, refinery throughput was $57,000 barrels per day compared to $22,000 barrels per day last quarter, which was reduced as a result of our planned turnaround.
Speaker #3: With refining margin for the quarter over $40 per barrel and operating expenses under $10 per barrel, the contribution from this segment was very strong.
Karl Fails: With refining margin for the quarter over $40 per barrel and operating expenses under $10 per barrel, the contribution from this segment was very strong. While the continued outperformance of the refinery segment has contributed to our increase in full-year guidance, it is only one component of an outstanding H1 and what will be another outstanding full year. Before I wrap up, I wanted to highlight our continued growth. Contributions and synergies from our Parkland acquisition are ahead of schedule. Our bolt-on acquisition strategy continues to demonstrate our track record of buying businesses and getting more out of them than the previous ownership. We continue to focus on quick-hitting, high-return organic capital projects. All of these contribute to DCF per LP unit growth. We expect to maintain this strong momentum into the H2 of the year and into 2027.
Karl Fails: With refining margin for the quarter over $40 per barrel and operating expenses under $10 per barrel, the contribution from this segment was very strong. While the continued outperformance of the refinery segment has contributed to our increase in full-year guidance, it is only one component of an outstanding H1 and what will be another outstanding full year. Before I wrap up, I wanted to highlight our continued growth. Contributions and synergies from our Parkland acquisition are ahead of schedule. Our bolt-on acquisition strategy continues to demonstrate our track record of buying businesses and getting more out of them than the previous ownership. We continue to focus on quick-hitting, high-return organic capital projects. All of these contribute to DCF per LP unit growth. We expect to maintain this strong momentum into the H2 of the year and into 2027.
Speaker #3: While the continued outperformance of the refinery segment has contributed to our increase in full-year guidance, it is only one component of an outstanding first half, and what will be another outstanding full year.
Speaker #3: Before I wrap up, I wanted to highlight our continued growth. Contributions and synergies from our Parkland acquisition are ahead of schedule. Our bolt-on acquisition strategy continues to demonstrate our track record of buying businesses and getting more out of them than the previous ownership.
Speaker #3: We continue to focus on quick hitting, high return, organic capital projects. All of these contribute to DCF for LP unit growth. We expect to maintain this strong momentum into the second half of the year and into 2027.
Speaker #3: I will now turn it over to Joe to share his final thoughts. Joe?
Karl Fails: I will now turn it over to Joe to share his final thoughts. Joe?
Karl Fails: I will now turn it over to Joe to share his final thoughts. Joe?
Speaker #4: Thanks, Karl. Good morning, everyone. We're more than halfway through 2026, and as expected, our business continues to perform well. Scott and Karl discussed the key details related to the second quarter results, let me provide some additional comments about our business as a whole.
Joe Kim: Thanks, Karl. Good morning, everyone. We're more than halfway through 2026, and as expected, our business continues to perform well. Scott and Karl discussed the key details related to the Q2 results. Let me provide some additional comments about our business as a whole. Our combined results for the Q1 and Q2 have been outstanding. As I mentioned on the last earnings call, we have proven that we can distinguish ourselves across various macroeconomic environments. For the full year 2026, we expect to materially exceed our initial adjusted EBITDA guidance and deliver our eighth consecutive year of EBITDA growth. All four business segments are performing at a high level. First, as Karl noted, the industry fundamentals for our fuel distribution remain strong. Our ability to optimize acquired assets is paying off. We're confident this will continue for many years to come.
Joe Kim: Thanks, Karl. Good morning, everyone. We're more than halfway through 2026, and as expected, our business continues to perform well. Scott and Karl discussed the key details related to the Q2 results. Let me provide some additional comments about our business as a whole. Our combined results for the Q1 and Q2 have been outstanding. As I mentioned on the last earnings call, we have proven that we can distinguish ourselves across various macroeconomic environments. For the full year 2026, we expect to materially exceed our initial adjusted EBITDA guidance and deliver our eighth consecutive year of EBITDA growth. All four business segments are performing at a high level. First, as Karl noted, the industry fundamentals for our fuel distribution remain strong. Our ability to optimize acquired assets is paying off. We're confident this will continue for many years to come.
Speaker #4: Our combined results for the first and second quarters have been outstanding. As I mentioned on the last earnings call, we have proven that we can distinguish ourselves across various macroeconomic environments.
Speaker #4: For the full year 2026, we expect to materially exceed our initial adjusted EBITDA guidance and deliver our eighth consecutive year of EBITDA growth. All four business segments are performing at a high level.
Speaker #4: First, as Karl noted, the industry fundamentals for our fuel distribution remain strong. Our ability to optimize acquired assets is paying off. We're confident this will continue for many years to come, specifically for 2026, we expect our fuel distribution segment to perform just as well in the back half of this year as it did our outstanding first half.
Joe Kim: Specifically for 2026, we expect our fuel distribution segment to perform just as well in H2 of this year as it did our outstanding H1. Second, within our pipeline and terminal segments, the team has done a great job of maintaining the reliability and stability of these assets. Finally, our refining segment obviously delivered a very strong quarter. We have managed the portfolio so that when refining crack spreads are strong, it enhances our overall upside. When they're not as strong, we can still have a very good year given the diversity of our portfolio. As far as the balance sheet, leverage is below our target of 4x. This puts us in a very good position to both increase distributions over a multi-year period and deliver on accretive growth. Let me wrap up with some final thoughts. We've had tremendous growth.
Joe Kim: Specifically for 2026, we expect our fuel distribution segment to perform just as well in H2 of this year as it did our outstanding H1. Second, within our pipeline and terminal segments, the team has done a great job of maintaining the reliability and stability of these assets. Finally, our refining segment obviously delivered a very strong quarter. We have managed the portfolio so that when refining crack spreads are strong, it enhances our overall upside. When they're not as strong, we can still have a very good year given the diversity of our portfolio. As far as the balance sheet, leverage is below our target of 4x. This puts us in a very good position to both increase distributions over a multi-year period and deliver on accretive growth. Let me wrap up with some final thoughts. We've had tremendous growth.
Speaker #4: Second, within our pipeline and terminal segments, the team has done a great job of maintaining the reliability and stability of these assets. Finally, our refining segment obviously delivered a very strong quarter.
Speaker #4: We have managed the portfolio so that when refining crack spreads are strong, it enhances our overall upside. But when they're not as strong, we can still have a very good year given the diversity of our portfolio.
Speaker #4: As far as the balance sheet, leverage is below our target of four times. This puts us in a very good position to both increase distributions over a multi-year period and deliver on accretive growth.
Speaker #4: Let me wrap up with some final thoughts. We've had tremendous growth, and we've done this while keeping our unitholders in mind. We have delivered eight consecutive years of DCF per common unit growth, and 2026 will be our ninth.
Joe Kim: We've done this while keeping our unit holders in mind. We have delivered eight consecutive years of DCF per common unit growth, and 2026 will be our ninth. We've also delivered for our debt holders with multiple credit rating upgrades and a stronger balance sheet. The past is noteworthy, the future is more important. Let me be clear, we expect continued growth. As a result of the NuStar, Parkland, and TanQuid acquisitions, we have a vast canvas to deploy capital across numerous geographies and segments. Our multi-year guidance of at least $500 million a year of bolt-on acquisitions is a modest bar. We expect to surpass this in 2026 and in future years. This is on top of our organic growth opportunities. Bottom line, our growing cash flows puts us in a strong position to continue to grow distributions, deliver accretive growth, and maintain a strong balance sheet.
Joe Kim: We've done this while keeping our unit holders in mind. We have delivered eight consecutive years of DCF per common unit growth, and 2026 will be our ninth. We've also delivered for our debt holders with multiple credit rating upgrades and a stronger balance sheet. The past is noteworthy, the future is more important. Let me be clear, we expect continued growth. As a result of the NuStar, Parkland, and TanQuid acquisitions, we have a vast canvas to deploy capital across numerous geographies and segments. Our multi-year guidance of at least $500 million a year of bolt-on acquisitions is a modest bar. We expect to surpass this in 2026 and in future years. This is on top of our organic growth opportunities. Bottom line, our growing cash flows puts us in a strong position to continue to grow distributions, deliver accretive growth, and maintain a strong balance sheet.
Speaker #4: We've also delivered for our debt holders, with multiple credit rating upgrades and a stronger balance sheet. The past is noteworthy, but the future is more important.
Speaker #4: Let me be clear, we expect continued growth. As a result of the new star Parkland and tankwood acquisitions, we have a vast canvas to deploy capital across numerous geographies and segments.
Speaker #4: Our multi-year guidance of at least 500 million dollars a year of bolt-on acquisitions is a modest bar. We expect to surpass this in 2026 and in future years.
Speaker #4: This is on top of our organic growth opportunities. Bottom line, our growing cash flows put us in a strong position to continue to grow distributions, deliver accretive growth, and maintain a strong balance sheet.
Speaker #4: Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. You may open the line for questions.
Joe Kim: Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. You may open the line for questions.
Joe Kim: Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. You may open the line for questions.
Speaker #1: As a reminder to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad, please remember, we do ask that you limit questions to one and one follow-up.
Operator: As a reminder, to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. Please remember, we do ask that you limit questions to one and one follow-up. Your first question comes from the line of Justin Jenkins with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Operator: As a reminder, to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. Please remember, we do ask that you limit questions to one and one follow-up. Your first question comes from the line of Justin Jenkins with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Your first question comes from the line of Justin Jenkins with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Justin Jenkins: Great. Thanks. Morning, everyone. I guess I want to start where you just ended. Obviously, we've had a positive operating backdrop, and you've shown really strong execution against that. In that context, and Karl and Joe, you both mentioned this a bit in your remarks, but how is progress against your bolt-on M&A targets? Are you seeing any incremental opportunities there or also for more incremental organic growth in this macro, especially in light of the balance sheet capacity you mentioned?
Justin Jenkins: Great. Thanks. Morning, everyone. I guess I want to start where you just ended. Obviously, we've had a positive operating backdrop, and you've shown really strong execution against that. In that context, and Karl and Joe, you both mentioned this a bit in your remarks, but how is progress against your bolt-on M&A targets? Are you seeing any incremental opportunities there or also for more incremental organic growth in this macro, especially in light of the balance sheet capacity you mentioned?
Speaker #3: Great, thanks. Good morning, everyone. I guess I want to start where you just ended. Obviously, we've had a positive operating backdrop, and you've shown really strong execution against that.
Speaker #3: But in that context, and Karl and Joe, you both mentioned this a bit in your remarks, but how is progress against your bolt-on M&A targets?
Speaker #3: Are you seeing any incremental opportunities there or also for more incremental organic growth in this macro, especially in light of the balance sheet capacity you mentioned?
Speaker #4: Hey, Justin. It's Joe. Hey, I'll repeat a little bit of what I just said. I think the takeaway is I think our purposely chosen word that 500 million a year is a modest bar.
Joe Kim: Hey, Justin. It's Joe. I'll repeat a little bit of what I just said is, I think the takeaway is, I think I purposely chose the word that $500 million a year is a modest bar. Let me give you some insights to why. If you look at our three last three bigger acquisitions, NuStar, Parkland, and TanQuid, these are big financial wins for us. Obviously, we've delivered on synergies and we're going to continue to deliver on synergies. Beyond the base business, these acquisitions open up a far broader universe for us to invest in. We have geographic opportunities in the US, Canada, the Caribbean, and Europe. Within these geographies, we can do deals both in fuel distribution sector as well as the midstream sector.
Joe Kim: Hey, Justin. It's Joe. I'll repeat a little bit of what I just said is, I think the takeaway is, I think I purposely chose the word that $500 million a year is a modest bar. Let me give you some insights to why. If you look at our three last three bigger acquisitions, NuStar, Parkland, and TanQuid, these are big financial wins for us. Obviously, we've delivered on synergies and we're going to continue to deliver on synergies. Beyond the base business, these acquisitions open up a far broader universe for us to invest in. We have geographic opportunities in the US, Canada, the Caribbean, and Europe. Within these geographies, we can do deals both in fuel distribution sector as well as the midstream sector.
Speaker #4: And let me give you some insights to why. If you look at our three last three bigger acquisitions, New Star, Parkland, and Tankwood, these are big financial wins for us.
Speaker #4: And obviously, we've delivered on synergies, and we're going to continue to deliver on synergies. But beyond the base business, these acquisitions opened up a far broader universe for us to invest in.
Speaker #4: We have geographic opportunities in the US, Canada, the Caribbean, and Europe. And within these geographies, we can do deals both in fuel distribution, sector, as well as midstream sector.
Speaker #4: When you couple this expanded landscape with our proven ability to deliver on synergy, it makes that 500 million to be a very modest bar.
Joe Kim: When you couple this expanded landscape with our proven ability to deliver on synergy, it makes that $500 million to be a very modest bar. We're at different stages with different targets, and we absolutely expect to exceed the $500 million in 2026. Beyond that, we think the 2027 beyond, it sets up well for us to continue to be a highly attractive growth story on a continued basis.
Joe Kim: When you couple this expanded landscape with our proven ability to deliver on synergy, it makes that $500 million to be a very modest bar. We're at different stages with different targets, and we absolutely expect to exceed the $500 million in 2026. Beyond that, we think the 2027 beyond, it sets up well for us to continue to be a highly attractive growth story on a continued basis.
Speaker #4: We're at different stages with different targets, and we absolutely expect to exceed the $500 million in 2026. But beyond that, we think the '27 and beyond is set up well for us to continue to be a highly attractive growth story on a continuing basis.
Speaker #3: And then, Justin, on the organic side, just to build on kind of what Joe said, the same is true on organic projects so that larger canvas and footprint gives us increased opportunities to invest.
Karl Fails: Justin, on the organic side, just to build on kind of what Joe said, the same is true on organic projects, so that larger canvas and footprint gives us increased opportunities to invest. As I mentioned in my remarks, and I've said many times, we focus right now on these quick-hitting, good return capital projects. They're not as big as maybe some of our other midstream peers, but in that $600 million plus, we have some $20, $30 million projects. Just to give you some examples. In our fuel distribution segment, we're signing up a lot of new customers, and then in some of our geographies, we're finding opportunities to build new tanks in our terminals, whether that's in South America, whether that's in the Caribbean, whether that's in Europe. Many of those tank builds also facilitate our fuel distribution business.
Karl Fails: Justin, on the organic side, just to build on kind of what Joe said, the same is true on organic projects, so that larger canvas and footprint gives us increased opportunities to invest. As I mentioned in my remarks, and I've said many times, we focus right now on these quick-hitting, good return capital projects. They're not as big as maybe some of our other midstream peers, but in that $600 million plus, we have some $20, $30 million projects. Just to give you some examples. In our fuel distribution segment, we're signing up a lot of new customers, and then in some of our geographies, we're finding opportunities to build new tanks in our terminals, whether that's in South America, whether that's in the Caribbean, whether that's in Europe. Many of those tank builds also facilitate our fuel distribution business.
Speaker #3: So as I mentioned in my remarks, and I've said many times, we focus right now on these quick-hitting good return capital projects. They're not as big as maybe some of our other midstream peers, but in that 600 million dollar plus, we have some 20, 30 million dollar projects, just to give you some examples.
Speaker #3: In our fuel distribution segment, it worked we're signing up a lot of new customers, and then in some of our geographies, we're finding opportunities to build new tanks in our terminals, whether that's in South America or whether that's in the Caribbean, whether that's in Europe.
Speaker #3: Many of those tank builds also facilitate our fuel distribution business in our pipeline systems. We've made new connections to bring new customers on our pipe.
Karl Fails: In our pipeline systems, we've made new connections to bring new customers on our pipe. You add that portfolio up, plus, as Joe said, we continue to grow into new geographies. These kind of roll-up acquisitions coupled with the organic really can power a lot of additional growth.
Karl Fails: In our pipeline systems, we've made new connections to bring new customers on our pipe. You add that portfolio up, plus, as Joe said, we continue to grow into new geographies. These kind of roll-up acquisitions coupled with the organic really can power a lot of additional growth.
Speaker #3: So you add that portfolio up, plus, as Joe said, we continue to grow into new geographies. So these kind of roll-up acquisitions coupled with the organic really can power a lot of additional growth.
Speaker #3: Awesome. That's great color. Second question is just on the updated guide. What should we think about for the drivers that you've assumed in the new range for the back half of this year relative to obviously the strong first half you've already put up here?
Austin Harkness: Awesome. That's great color. Second question is just on the updated guide. What should we think about for the drivers that you've assumed in the new range for the H2 of this year relative to obviously the strong H1 you've already put up here?
Justin Jenkins: Awesome. That's great color. Second question is just on the updated guide. What should we think about for the drivers that you've assumed in the new range for the H2 of this year relative to obviously the strong H1 you've already put up here?
Joe Kim: Hey, Justin, it's Joe again. Here's some key insights that I think you should take away from our revised guidance. First and foremost, all four of our business segments are performing very well. It's not just one driving the beat. More importantly, we think this is going to continue for all four segments. As far as the range, that's really driven by our refining segments. Our ability to project the fuel distribution segment and the midstream segment, we're really good at that. When it comes to projecting the refining segment, that's definitely not an exact science. What we did is we used the forward curve for refining cracks as a starting point, all of us know that using the forward curve and how it plays out with actual results, that typically doesn't happen. It's just a starting point for us. That's why we provided a range.
Joe Kim: Hey, Justin, it's Joe again. Here's some key insights that I think you should take away from our revised guidance. First and foremost, all four of our business segments are performing very well. It's not just one driving the beat. More importantly, we think this is going to continue for all four segments. As far as the range, that's really driven by our refining segments. Our ability to project the fuel distribution segment and the midstream segment, we're really good at that. When it comes to projecting the refining segment, that's definitely not an exact science. What we did is we used the forward curve for refining cracks as a starting point, all of us know that using the forward curve and how it plays out with actual results, that typically doesn't happen. It's just a starting point for us. That's why we provided a range.
Speaker #4: Hey, Justin, it's Joe again. Here's some key insights that I think you should take away from our revised guidance. First and foremost, all four of our business segments are performing very well.
Speaker #4: It's not just one driving the beat. And more importantly, we think this is going to continue for all four segments. As far as the range, that's really driven by our refining segments.
Speaker #4: Projecting our ability to forecast the fuel distribution segment and the midstream segment—we're really good at that. When it comes to projecting the refining segment, that's definitely not an exact science.
Speaker #4: So what we did is we used the forward curve for point, but all of us know that using the forward curve and how it plays out with active results, that typically doesn't happen.
Speaker #4: It's just a starting point for us. That's why we provided a range. As far as an upside, the simple answer is yes, there's upside.
Joe Kim: As far as an upside, the simple answer is yes, there's upside. I think we've shown year after year when the market gives us the opportunity, we're really good on capturing the upside. When the market doesn't or we have market headwinds, well, I think we've also shown year after year that we can minimize that. I think the takeaway for all of this is there's multiple ways this is going to play out, but in every scenario that we looked at, we think it's going to be an outstanding year for 2026.
Joe Kim: As far as an upside, the simple answer is yes, there's upside. I think we've shown year after year when the market gives us the opportunity, we're really good on capturing the upside. When the market doesn't or we have market headwinds, well, I think we've also shown year after year that we can minimize that. I think the takeaway for all of this is there's multiple ways this is going to play out, but in every scenario that we looked at, we think it's going to be an outstanding year for 2026.
Speaker #4: I think we've shown, year after year, when the market gives us the opportunity, we're really good at capturing the upside. When the market doesn't, and we have market headwinds, I think we've also shown, year after year, that we can minimize that.
Speaker #4: So I think the takeaway for all of this is there's multiple ways this is going to play out, but in every scenario that we looked at, we think it's going to be an outstanding year for 2026.
Speaker #3: Great color. Thanks, guys.
Austin Harkness: Great color. Thanks, guys.
Justin Jenkins: Great color. Thanks, guys.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Theresa Chen with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Theresa Chen with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Theresa Chen with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Good morning. Back on the refining topic, now that Burnaby has been part of your portfolio, for a bit of time, how are you thinking about the long-term earnings power of this segment and your general outlook for West Coast refining margins?
Theresa Chen: Morning. Back on the refining topic, now that Burnaby has been part of your portfolio for a bit of time, how are you thinking about the long-term earnings power of this segment and your general outlook for West Coast refining margins? Given Burnaby's advantaged position, both from an infrastructure perspective and its ability to serve the broader Pacific markets as well as local Canadian markets, how do you view the strategic value of this asset and its integration into your broader infrastructure and distribution footprint?
Theresa Chen: Morning. Back on the refining topic, now that Burnaby has been part of your portfolio for a bit of time, how are you thinking about the long-term earnings power of this segment and your general outlook for West Coast refining margins? Given Burnaby's advantaged position, both from an infrastructure perspective and its ability to serve the broader Pacific markets as well as local Canadian markets, how do you view the strategic value of this asset and its integration into your broader infrastructure and distribution footprint?
Speaker #5: And given Burnaby's advantageous position, both from an infrastructure perspective and its ability to serve the broader Pacific markets, as well as local Canadian markets, how do you view the strategic value of this asset and its integration into your broader infrastructure and distribution footprint?
Speaker #3: Yeah, Theresa, this is Carl. Burnaby's done a really good job. I don't think any of us anticipated that we'd have the refinery cracks that we've had this shortly after ownership.
Karl Fails: Yeah, Theresa, this is Karl. Burnaby's done a really good job. I don't think any of us anticipated that we'd have the refinery cracks that we've had this shortly after ownership. Again, I'll remind everyone, we did the Parkland acquisition and looked at those economics on a mid-cycle basis, clearly we've had the benefit of the cash generation. The team there has done a good job on focusing on the two areas that we think are most important, which is increasing the reliability and decreasing our operating expenses on a per-barrel basis. That's where our focus has been.
Karl Fails: Yeah, Theresa, this is Karl. Burnaby's done a really good job. I don't think any of us anticipated that we'd have the refinery cracks that we've had this shortly after ownership. Again, I'll remind everyone, we did the Parkland acquisition and looked at those economics on a mid-cycle basis, clearly we've had the benefit of the cash generation. The team there has done a good job on focusing on the two areas that we think are most important, which is increasing the reliability and decreasing our operating expenses on a per-barrel basis. That's where our focus has been.
Speaker #3: But again, I'll remind everyone, we did the Parkland acquisition and looked at those economics on a mid-cycle basis. Clearly, we've had the benefit of the cash generation, and the team there has done a good job focusing on the two areas that we think are most important, which are increasing the reliability and decreasing our operating expenses on a per barrel basis.
Speaker #3: So that's where our focus has been. On your broader questions on the strategic nature, you probably heard me say that we love our British Columbia business and when Parkland made that acquisition back in 2018, I think the refinery was a headline, but our perspective is it's really the integrated business and we have a wonderful fuel distribution business there that the team there is doing a great job.
Karl Fails: On your broader questions on the strategic nature, you probably heard me say that we love our British Columbia business. When Parkland made that acquisition back in 2018, I think the refinery was a headline, but our perspective is it's really the integrated business. We have a wonderful fuel distribution business there that the team there is doing a great job. We have a very good market position there with a very good brand partner. Burnaby is a component of that. It's not the only piece. Right now, it by far is the best way to supply those markets. The great thing, you know our strategy is as markets evolve and they tend to be efficient, if in some future state there are other potential opportunities, we'll look at that and we'll supply our market differently.
Karl Fails: On your broader questions on the strategic nature, you probably heard me say that we love our British Columbia business. When Parkland made that acquisition back in 2018, I think the refinery was a headline, but our perspective is it's really the integrated business. We have a wonderful fuel distribution business there that the team there is doing a great job. We have a very good market position there with a very good brand partner. Burnaby is a component of that. It's not the only piece. Right now, it by far is the best way to supply those markets. The great thing, you know our strategy is as markets evolve and they tend to be efficient, if in some future state there are other potential opportunities, we'll look at that and we'll supply our market differently.
Speaker #3: And we have a very good market position there with a very good brand partner. So Burnaby is a component of that. It's not the only piece.
Speaker #3: Right now, it by far is the best way to supply those markets. The great thing in you know our strategy is as markets evolve and they tend to be efficient, if in some future state, they're other potential opportunities, then we'll look at that and we'll supply our market differently.
Speaker #3: But right now, as you said, some of the other refiners that have reported have made some arguments that maybe mid-cycle refining cracks are increasing and I think their arguments are reasonable.
Karl Fails: Right now, as you said, some of the other refiners that have reported have made some arguments that maybe mid-cycle refining cracks are increasing. I think their arguments are reasonable. As we go forward, we'll focus on what we can control and hopefully the market will provide some tailwinds.
Karl Fails: Right now, as you said, some of the other refiners that have reported have made some arguments that maybe mid-cycle refining cracks are increasing. I think their arguments are reasonable. As we go forward, we'll focus on what we can control and hopefully the market will provide some tailwinds.
Speaker #3: So as we go forward, we'll focus on what we can control and hopefully the market will provide some tailwinds.
Speaker #5: Thank you. And on the fuel distribution side of things, I want to ask about your outlook for both margins and volumes near term. Given the volatility in commodity prices that has persisted in the front end of the curve, which is traditionally benefited your fuel distribution assets, can you provide color on what you're seeing in terms of the trend of fuel distribution CPG margins so far in the third quarter?
Theresa Chen: Thank you. On the fuel distribution side of things, I want to ask about your outlook for both margins and volumes near term. Given the volatility in commodity prices that has persisted on the front end of the curve, which has traditionally benefited your fuel distribution assets, can you provide color on what you're seeing in terms of the trend of fuel distribution CPG margins so far in Q3? On the volume side, many headlines abound on elevated prices potentially impacting the consumer. What are you seeing as far as demand across your footprint as it translates to the end users?
Theresa Chen: Thank you. On the fuel distribution side of things, I want to ask about your outlook for both margins and volumes near term. Given the volatility in commodity prices that has persisted on the front end of the curve, which has traditionally benefited your fuel distribution assets, can you provide color on what you're seeing in terms of the trend of fuel distribution CPG margins so far in Q3? On the volume side, many headlines abound on elevated prices potentially impacting the consumer. What are you seeing as far as demand across your footprint as it translates to the end users?
Speaker #5: And the volume side, many headlines about on elevated prices, potentially impacting the consumer, what are you seeing as far as demand across your footprint as it translates to the end users?
Speaker #3: Yeah. Hey, Theresa, this is Austin. Happy to walk you through kind of what we're seeing on the demand and margin side of things. Given our expanded portfolio, I'll sort of take those in reverse order.
Austin Harkness: Hey, Theresa. This is Austin. I'm happy to walk you through kind of what we're seeing on the demand and margin side of things, given our expanded portfolio. I'll sort of take those in reverse order. Just looking at the demand picture. Overall throughout so far this year, the consumer has been, I'd say, surprisingly resilient, right? Starting in the US, despite the flat price volatility that we've seen, EIA would suggest refined product demand is roughly flat year over year.
Austin Harkness: Hey, Theresa. This is Austin. I'm happy to walk you through kind of what we're seeing on the demand and margin side of things, given our expanded portfolio. I'll sort of take those in reverse order. Just looking at the demand picture. Overall throughout so far this year, the consumer has been, I'd say, surprisingly resilient, right? Starting in the US, despite the flat price volatility that we've seen, EIA would suggest refined product demand is roughly flat year over year.
Speaker #3: So just looking at the demand picture, overall throughout so far this year, the consumer has been I'd say surprisingly resilient, right? So starting in the US, despite the flat price volatility that we've seen, EIA would suggest refined product demand is roughly flat year over year.
Speaker #3: Despite the volatility that we've seen, and typically in situations like this when we're looking to see what the impact of flat price is going to be on consumer demand, one, it tends to be a function of how high flat price goes and for how long it remains volatile.
Austin Harkness: Despite the volatility that we've seen. Typically in situations like this when we're looking to see what the impact of flat price is going to be on consumer demand, one, it tends to be a function of how high flat price goes and for how long it remains volatile. Two, the things that we typically will see from a consumer behavior standpoint will be either spend rationalization, so same number of trips, but buy fewer gallons per trip, or octane rationalization, where consumers will trade down. Like I said, we haven't seen much of that in the US. In Canada, the demand picture's a touch softer with gasoline demand off low to mid-single digits year-over-year in Canada and roughly flat for ULSD.
Austin Harkness: Despite the volatility that we've seen. Typically in situations like this when we're looking to see what the impact of flat price is going to be on consumer demand, one, it tends to be a function of how high flat price goes and for how long it remains volatile. Two, the things that we typically will see from a consumer behavior standpoint will be either spend rationalization, so same number of trips, but buy fewer gallons per trip, or octane rationalization, where consumers will trade down. Like I said, we haven't seen much of that in the US. In Canada, the demand picture's a touch softer with gasoline demand off low to mid-single digits year-over-year in Canada and roughly flat for ULSD.
Speaker #3: And then two, the things that we typically will see from a consumer behavior standpoint will be either spend rationalization, so same number of trips, but buy fewer gallons per trip, or octane rationalization where consumers will trade down.
Speaker #3: Like I said, we haven't seen much of that in the U.S. In Canada, the demand picture is a touch softer, with gasoline demand off in the low single digits year over year.
Speaker #3: In Canada and roughly flat for ULSD. And then in the Caribbean, as I've shared, that sort of people think of it as this monolithic region, but we are onshore in 24 different markets there, each of which have their own demand profile.
Austin Harkness: In the Caribbean, as I've shared, people think of it as this monolithic region, but we are onshore in 24 different markets there, each of which have their own demand profile. I would say as a region overall, it's up low to mid-single digits. Now with all of that, obviously our volumes have exceeded that in each of these geographies, just given our deployment of growth capital and organic capital, the scale and diversity we're able to bring as we're capturing synergies over the first, call it seven months of the year. On the margin side of things, as we shared in the past, as a result of the acquisition, it's reasonable to expect our margin profile has evolved higher.
Austin Harkness: In the Caribbean, as I've shared, people think of it as this monolithic region, but we are onshore in 24 different markets there, each of which have their own demand profile. I would say as a region overall, it's up low to mid-single digits. Now with all of that, obviously our volumes have exceeded that in each of these geographies, just given our deployment of growth capital and organic capital, the scale and diversity we're able to bring as we're capturing synergies over the first, call it seven months of the year. On the margin side of things, as we shared in the past, as a result of the acquisition, it's reasonable to expect our margin profile has evolved higher.
Speaker #3: But I would say as a region overall, it's upload amid single digits. Now, with all of that, obviously our volumes have exceeded that in each of these geographies, just given our deployment of growth capital and organic capital and then the scale and diversity we're able to bring as we're capturing synergies over the first, call it seven months of the year.
Speaker #3: And then on the margin side of things, as we shared in the past, as a result of the acquisition, it's reasonable to expect our margin profile has evolved higher.
Austin Harkness: To what extent and where the specific CPG margin print's going to be going forward, I think it's hard to say, because there's going to be quarter-to-quarter volatility, and frankly, Theresa, you know us well enough. We don't spend a whole lot of time trying to analyze what the CPG margin number is going to be or volume, but rather solve for fuel profit and EBITDA growth overall. Overall, I think the Q2 is a reflection of the team's strong execution to leverage our scale and supply chain optionality against the backdrop that Karl mentioned, which has been at times challenging, but at times favorable. Right now it looks like flat price is back on the rise. That creates a headwind to the margin picture.
Austin Harkness: To what extent and where the specific CPG margin print's going to be going forward, I think it's hard to say, because there's going to be quarter-to-quarter volatility, and frankly, Theresa, you know us well enough. We don't spend a whole lot of time trying to analyze what the CPG margin number is going to be or volume, but rather solve for fuel profit and EBITDA growth overall. Overall, I think the Q2 is a reflection of the team's strong execution to leverage our scale and supply chain optionality against the backdrop that Karl mentioned, which has been at times challenging, but at times favorable. Right now it looks like flat price is back on the rise. That creates a headwind to the margin picture.
Speaker #3: To what extent and where the specific CPG margin print is going to be going forward, I think is it's hard to say because there's going to be quarter-to-quarter volatility and frankly, Theresa, you know us well enough.
Speaker #3: We don't spend a whole lot of time trying to analyze what the CPG margin numbers are going to be or volume, but rather solve for fuel profit and EBITDA growth overall.
Speaker #3: So overall, I think the second quarter is a reflection of the team's strong execution to leverage our scale and supply chain optionality against the backdrop that Carl mentioned, which has been at times challenging, but at times favorable.
Speaker #3: So right now, it looks like flat price is back on the rise. That creates a headwind to the margin picture. But if demand does come off, obviously that paints a fairly bullish picture for margin.
Austin Harkness: If demand does come off, obviously that paints a fairly bullish picture for margin, and I think as Joe shared, we're well-positioned with our diversity, our scale, and our geographic exposure to perform well and close out the year very strong, regardless of what the macroeconomic environment looks like.
Austin Harkness: If demand does come off, obviously that paints a fairly bullish picture for margin, and I think as Joe shared, we're well-positioned with our diversity, our scale, and our geographic exposure to perform well and close out the year very strong, regardless of what the macroeconomic environment looks like.
Speaker #3: And I think as Joe shared, we're well positioned with our diversity, our scale, and our geographic exposure to perform well and close out the year very strong regardless of what the macroeconomic environment looks like.
Speaker #5: Thank you very much.
Theresa Chen: Thank you very much.
Theresa Chen: Thank you very much.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Jean Gabe Maureen, sorry, with Mizuho. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Gabe Moreen with Mizuho. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Gabe Moreen with Mizuho. Please go ahead.
Gabe Moreen: Hey. Good morning, everyone. Maybe if I could just follow up one more on Burnaby. I'm just curious how you look at the cash flow from being thrown off that asset, whether that's something that is at all supporting the distribution, or is it something where, hey, you get high crack spreads, you can reinvest that in the business? I'm just wondering if really there's any distribution capacity off of that asset.
Gabe Moreen: Hey. Good morning, everyone. Maybe if I could just follow up one more on Burnaby. I'm just curious how you look at the cash flow from being thrown off that asset, whether that's something that is at all supporting the distribution, or is it something where, hey, you get high crack spreads, you can reinvest that in the business? I'm just wondering if really there's any distribution capacity off of that asset.
Speaker #2: Hey, good morning, everyone. Maybe if I could just follow up one more on Burnaby. I'm just curious how you kind of look at the cash flow being thrown off that asset, whether that's something that is at all supporting the distribution or is it something where, hey, you get high crack spreads, you can reinvest that in the business.
Speaker #2: I'm just wondering if really is any distribution capacity off of that asset?
Joe Kim: Hey, Gabe, it's Joe. I'm not sure if I said this call or the previous call, is that when you look at Burnaby, our refining exposure on our overall portfolio, it is something where whenever we have upside by crack, it's just going to help us in the quarter for the year. When the cracks aren't as good, we're still going to have a really good year. We're obviously getting upside this year, and it's creating more distributable cash flow for us. It just puts us in a better position where we're well on our way, and we feel incredibly confident we're going to increase distributions over a multi-year period.
Joe Kim: Hey, Gabe, it's Joe. I'm not sure if I said this call or the previous call, is that when you look at Burnaby, our refining exposure on our overall portfolio, it is something where whenever we have upside by crack, it's just going to help us in the quarter for the year. When the cracks aren't as good, we're still going to have a really good year. We're obviously getting upside this year, and it's creating more distributable cash flow for us. It just puts us in a better position where we're well on our way, and we feel incredibly confident we're going to increase distributions over a multi-year period.
Speaker #4: Hey, Gabe, it's Joe. I think I'm not sure if I said this call or the previous call is that when you look at Burnaby, refining exposure on our overall portfolio, it is something where whenever we have upside by cracks, it's just going to help us into quarter for the year.
Speaker #4: But when the cracks aren't as good, we're still going to have a really, really good year. So we're obviously getting upside this year, and it's creating more distributable cash flow for us.
Speaker #4: It just puts us in a better position, where we're well on our way, and we feel incredibly confident we're going to increase distributions over a multi-year period.
Speaker #4: But if the refinery performs at a elevated level for an extended period of time, I think that puts us in a position where we can either increase distributions more, manage our balance sheet even better, or allocate that to more creative growth projects.
Joe Kim: If the refinery performs at an elevated level for an extended period of time, I think that puts us in a position where we can either increase distributions more, manage our balance sheet even better, or allocate that to more accretive growth projects. I think the answer is going to be all three of the above.
Joe Kim: If the refinery performs at an elevated level for an extended period of time, I think that puts us in a position where we can either increase distributions more, manage our balance sheet even better, or allocate that to more accretive growth projects. I think the answer is going to be all three of the above.
Speaker #4: I think the answer is going to be all three of the above.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Joe. I think there's been some news flow about certain large refined products assets potentially being on the market. I'm not specifically asking about any one pipeline.
Gabe Moreen: Thanks, Joe. I think there's been some news flow about certain large refined products assets potentially being on the market. While I'm not specifically asking about any specific pipeline, I'm just wondering if the game plan to acquire, I guess, North American pipelines considers to be sort of within your purview of M&A and the extent to which you think you can bring value to those assets, even if maybe your own wholesale distribution footprint doesn't overlap 100% with those assets at the moment?
Gabe Moreen: Thanks, Joe. I think there's been some news flow about certain large refined products assets potentially being on the market. While I'm not specifically asking about any specific pipeline, I'm just wondering if the game plan to acquire, I guess, North American pipelines considers to be sort of within your purview of M&A and the extent to which you think you can bring value to those assets, even if maybe your own wholesale distribution footprint doesn't overlap 100% with those assets at the moment?
Speaker #2: I'm just wondering if the game plan to acquire, I guess, North American pipelines considers to be sort of within your purview of M&A and the extent to which you think you can bring value to those assets, even if maybe your own wholesale distribution footprint doesn't overlap 100% with those assets at the moment?
Speaker #4: Yeah, Gabe, obviously I won't comment on any specific asset, but I think the general theme that you're talking about—and which I agree with—is if there's anything in the refined product sector, be it a pipeline or terminal or fuel distribution assets, I think from a strategic standpoint, we're in just as good or a better position as anybody to bring synergies to the table.
Joe Kim: Yeah. Gabe, obviously I won't comment on any specific asset, but I think the general theme that you're talking about, and which I agree with, is if there's anything on the refined product sector, be it a pipeline or terminal or fuel distribution asset, I think from a strategic standpoint, we're in just as good or a better position as anybody to bring synergies to the table. Whenever you bring material synergies to the table, we're always going to be highly competitive.
Joe Kim: Yeah. Gabe, obviously I won't comment on any specific asset, but I think the general theme that you're talking about, and which I agree with, is if there's anything on the refined product sector, be it a pipeline or terminal or fuel distribution asset, I think from a strategic standpoint, we're in just as good or a better position as anybody to bring synergies to the table. Whenever you bring material synergies to the table, we're always going to be highly competitive.
Speaker #4: And whenever you bring material synergies to the table, we're always going to be highly competitive.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Joe. And if I could just ask one last annoying question around book and cash tax rates. Should we assume the current cash and book tax rates are about where you'll be going forward, or will that kind of depend on earnings mix going forward?
Gabe Moreen: Thanks, Joe. If I could just ask one last annoying question around book and cash tax rates. Should we assume the current cash and book tax rates are about where you'll be going forward, or will that kind of depend on earnings mix going forward?
Gabe Moreen: Thanks, Joe. If I could just ask one last annoying question around book and cash tax rates. Should we assume the current cash and book tax rates are about where you'll be going forward, or will that kind of depend on earnings mix going forward?
Speaker #3: Yeah. Hey, Gabe. Yeah, I think we’ve certainly had a step up in the cash tax expense this year. A lot of that has to do with the performance of the business, right?
Dylan Bramhall: Hey, Gabe. Yes. I think we've certainly had a step up in the cash tax expense this year. A lot of that has to do with the performance of the business, right? It's been a strong start to the year, and specifically in the legacy Parkland operations, the refining operations, that creates a greater cash tax expense. That was all included in our economics for the Parkland acquisition and all the statements
Dylan Bramhall: Hey, Gabe. Yes. I think we've certainly had a step up in the cash tax expense this year. A lot of that has to do with the performance of the business, right? It's been a strong start to the year, and specifically in the legacy Parkland operations, the refining operations, that creates a greater cash tax expense. That was all included in our economics for the Parkland acquisition and all the statements
Speaker #3: It's been a strong start to the year. And specifically in the legacy parkland operations, the refining operations, that creates a greater cash tax expense.
Speaker #3: That was all included in our economics for the parkland acquisition and all the statements we make around accretion and EBITDA growth. I think for the full year 2026, you should expect for the back half of the year, something under what you saw for the first half of the year in terms of the cash tax expense.
Dylan Bramhall: We make around accretion and EBITDA growth. I think for the full year 2026, you should expect for H2, something under what you saw for H1 in terms of the cash tax expense.
Dylan Bramhall: We make around accretion and EBITDA growth. I think for the full year 2026, you should expect for H2, something under what you saw for H1 in terms of the cash tax expense.
Gabe Moreen: Got it. Thanks, Scott.
Gabe Moreen: Got it. Thanks, Scott.
Speaker #2: Got it. Thanks, Scott.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Spiro Dounis with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Spiro Dounis with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Aspiro Donis with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
[Analyst] (Citigroup): Hi, this is Chad on for Spiro. Just one quick one from me. Now that we're further into this volatile commodity environment and the Middle East conflict, I'm just curious, have you seen any supply chain impacts that could be longer lasting across your footprint, either on the volume or margin side across your different segments?
[Analyst] (Citigroup): Hi, this is Chad on for Spiro. Just one quick one from me. Now that we're further into this volatile commodity environment and the Middle East conflict, I'm just curious, have you seen any supply chain impacts that could be longer lasting across your footprint, either on the volume or margin side across your different segments?
Speaker #6: Hi, this is Chad on Prospero. Just one quick one from me. Now that we're further into this volatile commodity environment and the Middle East conflict, I'm just curious—have you seen any supply chain impacts that could be longer-lasting across your footprint, either on the volume or margin side across your different segments?
Austin Harkness: Hey, Chad. The short answer is no, we haven't seen anything that suggests there's going to be some long-term lasting impact from the disruption in product for us. We are seeing continued disruption, albeit slightly less volatile levels than we saw maybe earlier in Q2. That said, we're still leveraging our scale and our newfound geography and commercial capabilities as a result of the acquisition to leverage and take advantage and create value in this environment, right? Some things I shared, I believe, on the last call are things that we continue to do, whether it's railing diesel out of the Midwest to our Mid-Atlantic markets, that wouldn't have been an option for us prior to our acquisition of rail assets with the Parkland transaction. We continue to supply our Hawaii short out of the Burnaby Refinery. Those are two small examples.
Austin Harkness: Hey, Chad. The short answer is no, we haven't seen anything that suggests there's going to be some long-term lasting impact from the disruption in product for us. We are seeing continued disruption, albeit slightly less volatile levels than we saw maybe earlier in Q2. That said, we're still leveraging our scale and our newfound geography and commercial capabilities as a result of the acquisition to leverage and take advantage and create value in this environment, right? Some things I shared, I believe, on the last call are things that we continue to do, whether it's railing diesel out of the Midwest to our Mid-Atlantic markets, that wouldn't have been an option for us prior to our acquisition of rail assets with the Parkland transaction. We continue to supply our Hawaii short out of the Burnaby Refinery. Those are two small examples.
Speaker #3: Hey, Chad. The short answer is no, we haven't seen anything that suggests there's going to be some long-term lasting impact from the disruption in product flows.
Speaker #3: We are seeing continued disruption, albeit a slightly less volatile levels than we saw maybe in the earlier in the second quarter. That said, we're still leveraging our scale and our newfound geography and commercial capabilities as a result of the acquisition to leverage and take advantage and create value in this environment, right?
Speaker #3: So some things I shared, I believe, on the last call are things that we continue to do, whether it's railing diesel out of the Midwest to our Mid-Atlantic markets that wouldn't have been an option for us prior to our acquisition of rail assets with the parkland transaction.
Speaker #3: And we continue to supply our Hawaii short out of the Burnaby refinery. Those are two small examples. There's dozens of others that happen every day where we're responding to dislocations in the market, but nothing that suggests there's any long-term impairment to the business or our opportunity set.
Austin Harkness: There's dozens of others that happen every day where we're responding to dislocations in the market, nothing that suggests there's any long-term impairment to the business or our opportunity set. In fact, quite the opposite, we continue to take what the market gives us.
Austin Harkness: There's dozens of others that happen every day where we're responding to dislocations in the market, nothing that suggests there's any long-term impairment to the business or our opportunity set. In fact, quite the opposite, we continue to take what the market gives us.
Speaker #3: In fact, quite the opposite, and we continue to take what the market gives us.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thanks for the time.
[Analyst] (Citigroup): Okay, got it. Thanks for the time.
[Analyst] (Citigroup): Okay, got it. Thanks for the time.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with J.P. Morgan.
Speaker #1: And your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonnett with JPMorgan.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with J.P. Morgan.
[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan): Hey, good morning. This is Eli on for Jeremy. Just wanted to think geographically about some of the opportunities in your M&A pipeline. If we compare the opportunity set across Europe versus North America and the Caribbean, where do you see the most attractive returns, and how should we think about the international strategy more broadly across your segments? Might you go further downstream in Europe or any color there would be great.
[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Hey, good morning. This is Eli on for Jeremy. Just wanted to think geographically about some of the opportunities in your M&A pipeline. If we compare the opportunity set across Europe versus North America and the Caribbean, where do you see the most attractive returns, and how should we think about the international strategy more broadly across your segments? Might you go further downstream in Europe or any color there would be great.
Speaker #5: Hey, good morning. This is Eli on for Jeremy. Just wanted to think geographically about some of the opportunities in your M&A pipeline. If we compare the opportunity set across Europe versus North America and the Caribbean, where do you see the most attractive returns, and how should we think about the international strategy more broadly across your segments?
Speaker #5: Might you go further downstream in Europe or any color there would be great.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Hey, Eli, this is Joe. Here's the way we look at it. We like the fact and I think I've emphasized it multiple times that it wasn't that long ago that we were predominantly a Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, US fuel distribution-centric business.
Joe Kim: Hey, Eli, this is Joe. Here's the way we look at it. We like the fact, and I think I've emphasized it multiple times, that it wasn't that long ago that we were predominantly a Northeast Mid-Atlantic US fuel distribution-centric business. That kind of limited our ability to grow further out because having critical mass, Austin has talked about it three separate times today, about scale matters. Now that we have all these different geographies in North America, even touching down in South America and Europe, the way that we're looking at it is that we just have that same type of optionality where whatever emerges in the market, where we bring the most synergies where the valuation's right, that's the direction we're going to go. With that said, I think there's going to be opportunities in all those places.
Joe Kim: Hey, Eli, this is Joe. Here's the way we look at it. We like the fact, and I think I've emphasized it multiple times, that it wasn't that long ago that we were predominantly a Northeast Mid-Atlantic US fuel distribution-centric business. That kind of limited our ability to grow further out because having critical mass, Austin has talked about it three separate times today, about scale matters. Now that we have all these different geographies in North America, even touching down in South America and Europe, the way that we're looking at it is that we just have that same type of optionality where whatever emerges in the market, where we bring the most synergies where the valuation's right, that's the direction we're going to go. With that said, I think there's going to be opportunities in all those places.
Speaker #4: So that kind of limited our ability to grow further out, because having critical mass—Austin has talked about it three separate times today—scale matters.
Speaker #4: Now that we have all these different geographies in North America—even touching down in South America and Europe—the way that we're looking at it is that we just have that same type of optionality, where whatever emerges in the market, where we bring the most synergies, where the valuation's right, that's the direction we're going to go.
Speaker #4: With that said, I think there's going to be opportunities in all those places. I don't think right now what we're seeing is we see opportunities in fuel distribution.
Joe Kim: I don't think right now what we're seeing is we see opportunities in fuel distribution, we see opportunities in the midstream sector, we see opportunities in Europe, and we see opportunities in North America. How all that plays out and seeing what the valuations end up is going to help dictate where we're going to grow. At the end of the day, I think where you're going to see us grow in all of the above.
Joe Kim: I don't think right now what we're seeing is we see opportunities in fuel distribution, we see opportunities in the midstream sector, we see opportunities in Europe, and we see opportunities in North America. How all that plays out and seeing what the valuations end up is going to help dictate where we're going to grow. At the end of the day, I think where you're going to see us grow in all of the above.
Speaker #4: We see opportunities in the midstream sector. We see opportunities in Europe, and we see opportunities in North America. How all that plays out, and seeing where value—what the valuations end up—is going to help dictate where we're going to grow.
Speaker #4: But at the end of the day, I think you're going to see us grow in all those all the above.
[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan): Got it. Maybe just thinking about the broader capital allocation philosophy at this point, you obviously have been clear that there's a really strong pipeline for the roll-ups and you're going to continue to do growth both organically and inorganically. How should we think about what the inorganic opportunity set looks like and the return thresholds that you need to kind of make those larger, chunkier acquisitions versus maybe just continuing to hike the distribution at this clip? Obviously, we've seen a pretty big hike this year and you've given some guidance for the medium term, just thinking about weighing those two competing capital allocation priorities.
[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Got it. Maybe just thinking about the broader capital allocation philosophy at this point, you obviously have been clear that there's a really strong pipeline for the roll-ups and you're going to continue to do growth both organically and inorganically. How should we think about what the inorganic opportunity set looks like and the return thresholds that you need to kind of make those larger, chunkier acquisitions versus maybe just continuing to hike the distribution at this clip? Obviously, we've seen a pretty big hike this year and you've given some guidance for the medium term, just thinking about weighing those two competing capital allocation priorities.
Speaker #5: Got it. And then maybe just thinking about the broader capital allocation philosophy at this point—you've obviously been clear that there's a really strong pipeline for the roll-ups, and you're going to continue to pursue growth both organically and inorganically.
Speaker #5: But how should we think about what the inorganic opportunity set looks like and the return thresholds that you need to kind of make those larger chunkier acquisitions versus maybe just continuing to hike the distribution at this clip?
Speaker #5: Obviously, we've seen a pretty big hike this year and you've given some guidance for the medium term, but just thinking about weighing those two competing capital allocation priorities.
Joe Kim: Okay. As far as when it comes to inorganic growth on the M&A roll-up, we've said in the past that we're talking mid-single digit type of synergized multiples. Those opportunities, and you understand our financial model, those are highly accretive to us. That's the way, along with big and small acquisitions, that's how we've increased distributable cash flow per unit for eight consecutive years, and this year will be ninth, and I anticipate next year will be tenth. As we continue to do these mid-single digit type of roll-ups, these are highly attractive, and it gives Austin and team the ability with more scale to create more optionality that plays really well into volatile environments. We're going to continue to do that. That's going to get our attention. We think that's going to be for a long period of time.
Joe Kim: Okay. As far as when it comes to inorganic growth on the M&A roll-up, we've said in the past that we're talking mid-single digit type of synergized multiples. Those opportunities, and you understand our financial model, those are highly accretive to us. That's the way, along with big and small acquisitions, that's how we've increased distributable cash flow per unit for eight consecutive years, and this year will be ninth, and I anticipate next year will be tenth. As we continue to do these mid-single digit type of roll-ups, these are highly attractive, and it gives Austin and team the ability with more scale to create more optionality that plays really well into volatile environments. We're going to continue to do that. That's going to get our attention. We think that's going to be for a long period of time.
Speaker #4: Okay. So yeah, as far as when it comes to inorganic growth on the M&A roll-up, we've said in the past that, synergized, we're talking mid-single-digit type of synergized multiples.
Speaker #4: Those opportunities and you understand our financial model those are highly accretive to us. That's the way along with big and small acquisitions, that's how we've increased distributable cash flow per unit for eight consecutive years and this year will be ninth and I anticipate next year will be 10th.
Speaker #4: So as we continue to do these mid-single-digit type of roll-ups, these are highly, highly attractive. And it gives Austin and team the ability with more scale to create more optionality that plays really well into volatile environments.
Speaker #4: So we're going to continue to do that. So that's going to get our attention. We think that's going to be for long period of time.
Joe Kim: With that said, you can expect us to allocate a material portion of our free cash flow towards inorganic growth. At the same time, we still have plenty left over for distribution growth. These two work together, and I think the word that Scott has used and Karl has used, it's almost like a flywheel. The more and more we do these accretive acquisitions, it creates more free cash flow that we can redeploy back into more either additional growth and/or distribution increases.
Speaker #4: So with that said, you can expect us to allocate a material portion of our free cash flow towards inorganic growth. At the same time, we still have plenty left over for distribution growth.
Joe Kim: With that said, you can expect us to allocate a material portion of our free cash flow towards inorganic growth. At the same time, we still have plenty left over for distribution growth. These two work together, and I think the word that Scott has used and Karl has used, it's almost like a flywheel. The more and more we do these accretive acquisitions, it creates more free cash flow that we can redeploy back into more either additional growth and/or distribution increases.
Speaker #4: So these two work together. And I think the word that Scott has used and Carl has used is almost like a flywheel. The more and more we do these accretive acquisitions, it creates more free cash flow that we can redeploy back into either additional growth and/or distribution increases.
[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan): Great. I'll leave it there. Thanks, guys.
[Analyst] (JPMorgan): Great. I'll leave it there. Thanks, guys.
Speaker #5: Great, I'll leave it there. Thanks, guys.
Operator: Once again, to ask a question, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Ned Baramov with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Ned Baramov: Hi. Good morning. Just a quick question from me on the Burnaby facility again. It seems the refinery ran above nameplate capacity in Q2. Can you maybe talk about how sustainable this rate is over multiple quarters?
Ned Baramov: Hi. Good morning. Just a quick question from me on the Burnaby facility again. It seems the refinery ran above nameplate capacity in Q2. Can you maybe talk about how sustainable this rate is over multiple quarters?
Speaker #6: Hi, good morning. Just a quick question from me on the Burnaby facility again. It seems the refinery ran above nameplate capacity in the second quarter.
Speaker #6: Can you maybe talk about how sustainable this rate is over multiple quarters?
Speaker #4: Yeah, Ned. This is Carl. Like I said, the refineries team there has done a great job. We came out of major turnaround and given the market dynamics, it made sense to run full.
Karl Fails: Yeah, Ned, this is Karl. Like I said, the refineries team there has done a great job. We came out of a major turnaround, given the market dynamics, it made sense to run full. Now exactly what that balance means, we co-process low-carbon feedstocks at that facility as well, right? The nameplate of 55 was really set a while ago based on running crude and exactly what crude you run and what your low-carbon feedstock is will dictate. Again, we were a little bit over that on a combined basis, the hope is that we can continue that, inevitably, I've been in the refining business for a long time, and there are always, whether they're minor maintenance issues that come up, or whether it's our planned turnarounds.
Karl Fails: Yeah, Ned, this is Karl. Like I said, the refineries team there has done a great job. We came out of a major turnaround, given the market dynamics, it made sense to run full. Now exactly what that balance means, we co-process low-carbon feedstocks at that facility as well, right? The nameplate of 55 was really set a while ago based on running crude and exactly what crude you run and what your low-carbon feedstock is will dictate. Again, we were a little bit over that on a combined basis, the hope is that we can continue that, inevitably, I've been in the refining business for a long time, and there are always, whether they're minor maintenance issues that come up, or whether it's our planned turnarounds.
Speaker #4: Now, exactly what that balance means— we co-process low-carbon feedstocks at that facility as well, right? So the nameplate of 55 was really set a while ago based on running crude, and exactly what crude you run and what your low-carbon feedstock is will dictate. Again, we were a little bit over that on a combined basis.
Speaker #4: And the hope is that we can continue that, but inevitably I've been the refining business for a long time and there are always whether they're minor maintenance issues that come up, whether you deal with or whether it's our planned turnarounds.
Karl Fails: The only other comment I'll make, Ned, is we do look at running our assets on a sustained long-term basis and not sacrificing that long-term reliability just for a little bit of short-term quarterly gain. That philosophy, you should read that into how we operate it as well.
Speaker #4: But the only other comment I'll make, Ned, is we do look at running our assets on a sustained long-term basis and not sacrificing kind of that long-term reliability just for a little bit of short-term quarterly gain.
Karl Fails: The only other comment I'll make, Ned, is we do look at running our assets on a sustained long-term basis and not sacrificing that long-term reliability just for a little bit of short-term quarterly gain. That philosophy, you should read that into how we operate it as well.
Speaker #4: So that philosophy you should read that into how we operate it as well.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Carl. That's all I had.
Ned Baramov: Thanks, Karl. That's all I had.
Ned Baramov: Thanks, Karl. That's all I had.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Ned.
Karl Fails: Thanks, Ned.
Karl Fails: Thanks, Ned.
Operator: With no further questions in queue, I will hand the call back over to Scott Grischow for closing remarks.
Speaker #1: And with no further questions in queue, I will hand the call back over to Scott Grischow for closing remarks.
Operator: With no further questions in queue, I will hand the call back over to Scott Grischow for closing remarks.
Scott Grischow: Thank you for joining us on the call today and your continued interest in Sunoco. As always, reach out if you have any questions, and we appreciate the support. Thanks, and have a great day.
Scott Grischow: Thank you for joining us on the call today and your continued interest in Sunoco. As always, reach out if you have any questions, and we appreciate the support. Thanks, and have a great day.
Speaker #2: Thank you for joining us on the call today and for your continued interest in Sunoco. As always, please reach out if you have any questions, and we appreciate your support.
Speaker #2: Thanks, and have a great day.
Operator: Thank you again for joining us today. This does conclude today's call. You may now disconnect.
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