Q2 2026 Gubra AS Earnings Call
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Speaker #5: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Gubra's conference call covering our first half 2026 results. My name is Adam, the new Head of Investor Relations at Gubra.
Adam Lange: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Gubra's conference call covering our H1 2026 results. My name is Adam, new Head of Investor Relations at Gubra. Joining me today are members of Gubra's leadership team who will take you through key developments for the company in the first 6 months of 2026 and our financial results. Following the presentation, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I will just caution listeners on slide 2 here that we may make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. With that, I will hand over the call to our CEO, Markus, for opening remarks.
Adam Lange: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Gubra's conference call covering our H1 2026 results. My name is Adam, new Head of Investor Relations at Gubra. Joining me today are members of Gubra's leadership team who will take you through key developments for the company in the first six months of 2026 and our financial results. Following the presentation, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I will just caution listeners on slide 2 here that we may make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. With that, I will hand over the call to our CEO, Markus, for opening remarks.
Speaker #5: And joining me today are members of Gubra's leadership team who will take the floor. Key developments for the company in the first six months of 2026 and our financial results.
Speaker #5: Following the presentation, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I will just caution listeners on slide 2 here that we may make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #5: And with that, I will hand over the call to our CEO, Marcus, for opening remarks.
Speaker #6: Thank you very much, Adam. Good morning, everyone. Welcome also from my side to our webcast. I'd like to give a couple of highlights of the company. In summary, I believe Gubra had a very good first half of the year.
Markus Rohrwild: Thank you very much, Adam. Good morning, everyone. Welcome also from my side to our webcast. I would like to give a couple of highlights of the company. In summary, I believe Gubra had a very good H1 of the year across our entire business units. Gubra Biotech significantly advanced our R&D pipeline. In the CRO, I think while we still have work to do, I see a promising trend based on new commercial initiatives and also continued cost discipline. We have also now established a platform for Gubra Ventures. This is a new business unit at Gubra, and we are currently evaluating multiple deals. Over the next couple of months, I hope we can announce the first Gubra venture. At this point, I would like to remind you that our business model is unique, based on three synergistic business units.
Markus Rohrwild: Thank you very much, Adam. Good morning, everyone. Welcome also from my side to our webcast. I would like to give a couple of highlights of the company. In summary, I believe Gubra had a very good H1 of the year across our entire business units. Gubra Biotech significantly advanced our R&D pipeline. In the CRO, I think while we still have work to do, I see a promising trend based on new commercial initiatives and also continued cost discipline. We have also now established a platform for Gubra Ventures. This is a new business unit at Gubra, and we are currently evaluating multiple deals. Over the next couple of months, I hope we can announce the first Gubra venture. At this point, I would like to remind you that our business model is unique, based on three synergistic business units.
Speaker #6: Across our entire business units, Gubra Biotech significantly advanced our R&D pipeline. And as CEO, I think, while we still have work to do, I see a promising trend based on new commercial initiatives and also continued cross-discipline collaboration. We have also now established a platform for Gubra Ventures.
Speaker #6: This is a new business unit at Gubra, and we are currently evaluating multiple deals. Over the next couple of months, I hope we can announce the first Gubra Venture.
Speaker #6: At this point, I'd like to remind you that our business model is unique, based on three synergistic business units. Gubra Biotech discovers and develops new peptide therapeutics up to clinical proof-of-concept.
Markus Rohrwild: Gubra Biotech discovers and develops new peptide therapeutics up to clinical proof of concept. Gubra Ventures invests in exciting science adjacent to our flagship areas. Our CRO, while serving many external customers, is an integral and very important part of our innovation in the Biotech unit as well in our new ventures. Let me highlight a couple of milestones which already have been achieved in H1. I am just going to mention three of them. AbbVie reported highly encouraging Phase I MAD results for the long-acting amylin. I think this is very robust data, and the start of the Phase II is imminent. Boehringer Ingelheim has already advanced the triple agonist in clinical Phase II, and we now have initiated an ambitious Phase I/IIa trial for our fully owned GUB-UCN2 program, our new mega program.
Markus Rohrwild: Gubra Biotech discovers and develops new peptide therapeutics up to clinical proof of concept. Gubra Ventures invests in exciting science adjacent to our flagship areas. Our CRO, while serving many external customers, is an integral and very important part of our innovation in the Biotech unit as well in our new ventures. Let me highlight a couple of milestones which already have been achieved in the H1 of the year. I am just going to mention three of them.
Speaker #6: Gubra Ventures invests in exciting science adjacent to our flagship areas, and our CEO, while serving many external customers, is an integral and very important part of our innovation in the Biotech unit, as well as in our new ventures.
Speaker #6: Let me highlight a couple of milestones which have already been achieved in the first half of the year. I'm just going to mention three of them.
Speaker #6: API reported highly encouraging Phase 1 MED results for the long-acting amylin. I think this is very robust data, and the start of Phase 2 is imminent.
Markus Rohrwild: AbbVie reported highly encouraging Phase I MAD results for the long-acting amylin. I think this is very robust data, and the start of the Phase II is imminent. Boehringer Ingelheim has already advanced the triple agonist in clinical Phase II, and we now have initiated an ambitious Phase I/IIa trial for our fully owned GUB-UCN2 program, our new mega program.
Speaker #6: Innenheim has already advanced the triple agonist into clinical phase two. And we have now initiated an ambitious phase 1/2a trial for our fully-owned UCN2 program, our new mega program.
Speaker #6: And with this, I'd like to hand over to Louise.
Markus Rohrwild: With this, I like to hand over to Louise.
Markus Rohrwild: With this, I like to hand over to Louise.
Speaker #7: Yeah, thank you, Marcus. So let's take a look at a streamlined platform and how it enables our growing pipeline. At Gubra, we're true experts in peptide drug discovery, and our core edge is that all the work we do is done using an in-house developed drug discovery platform, Streamlined.
Louise Dalbøge: Yeah. Thank you, Markus. Let us take a look at our streaMLine platform and how it enables our growing pipeline. At Gubra, we are true experts in peptide drug discovery, and our core edge is that all the work we do is done using an in-house developed drug discovery platform, streaMLine. The platform takes advantage of the AI-driven design and data analysis, and this is combined with high-throughput wet lab screening of multiple peptide libraries. We use multi-parameter optimization. What this means is that we optimize all key drug properties at once. Ultimately, this enables us to save time and identify better molecules at speed. The streaMLine platform has repeatedly delivered differentiated assets across a variety of therapeutic areas. What you see here is the Gubra R&D pipeline. Since the last update, we have seen important progress.
Louise Dalbøge: Yeah. Thank you, Markus. Let us take a look at our streaMLine platform and how it enables our growing pipeline. At Gubra, we are true experts in peptide drug discovery, and our core edge is that all the work we do is done using an in-house developed drug discovery platform, streaMLine. The platform takes advantage of the AI-driven design and data analysis, and this is combined with high-throughput wet lab screening of multiple peptide libraries.
Speaker #7: And the platform takes advantage of AI-driven design and data analysis, and this is combined with high-throughput wet lab screening of multiple peptide libraries.
Speaker #7: So, we use MUSI parameter optimization. What this means is that we optimize all key drug properties at once. Ultimately, this enables us to save time and identify better molecules at speed.
Louise Dalbøge: We use multi-parameter optimization. What this means is that we optimize all key drug properties at once. Ultimately, this enables us to save time and identify better molecules at speed. The streaMLine platform has repeatedly delivered differentiated assets across a variety of therapeutic areas. What you see here is the Gubra R&D pipeline. Since the last update, we have seen important progress.
Speaker #7: The streamlined platform has repeatedly delivered differentiated assets across a variety of therapeutic areas. What you see here is the Gubra R&D pipeline.
Speaker #7: And since the last update, we have seen important progress. First of all, we have seen the initiation of a UCN2 program entering Phase 1.
Louise Dalbøge: First of all, we have seen the initiation of a UCN2 program entering Phase I. Additionally, Boehringer Ingelheim has initiated Phase II development with the tripled agonist, and AbbVie still plans to initiate Phase II in Q3. Simultaneously, GEOMAP has expressed that they expect to initiate first-in-human trials with HMB-003 in H2 2026. Likewise, we have concluded the fourth collaboration project with Boehringer Ingelheim, a very early target discovery program. At Gubra, we have been dedicated to treating and understanding obesity since the company's inception. Over the years, we have generated deep scientific expertise all the way from discovery to clinical translation. Today, let us take a look at three of the most advanced anti-obesity assets, so that each design with a differentiated profile compared to current standard of care and with blockbuster potential.
Louise Dalbøge: First of all, we have seen the initiation of a UCN2 program entering phase I. Additionally, Boehringer Ingelheim has initiated phase II development with the tripled agonist, and AbbVie still plans to initiate phase II in Q3. Simultaneously, Hemab has expressed that they expect to initiate first-in-human trials with HMB-003 in H2 2026. Likewise, we have concluded the fourth collaboration project with Boehringer Ingelheim, a very early target discovery program.
Speaker #7: Additionally, Bernhard Engelheim has initiated phase two development with the triple agonist, and API still plans to initiate phase two in Q3. Simultaneously, DMAT has expressed that they expect to initiate first-in-human trials with HMB003 in the second half of 2026.
Speaker #7: And likewise, we have concluded the fourth collaboration project with Boehringer Ingelheim, a very early target discovery program. So, at Gubra, we have been dedicated to treating and understanding obesity since the company's inception.
Louise Dalbøge: At Gubra, we have been dedicated to treating and understanding obesity since the company's inception. Over the years, we have generated deep scientific expertise all the way from discovery to clinical translation. Today, let us take a look at three of the most advanced anti-obesity assets, so that each design with a differentiated profile compared to current standard of care and with blockbuster potential.
Speaker #7: And over the years, we have generated deep scientific expertise all the way from discovery to clinical translation. Today, we'll take a look at three of the most advanced anti-obesity assets.
Speaker #7: So that each design has a differentiated profile compared to the current standard of care, and with blockbuster potential. But before getting into the data, let's just take a step back and take a broader look at the obesity landscape and where the market is heading.
Louise Dalbøge: But before getting into the data, let's just take a step back and take a broader look at the obesity landscape and where the market is heading. Because it's no secret that obesity continues to be a growing global healthcare challenge, and there is a well-recognized need for novel treatment approaches. For the past decades, the core question with obesity treatment has really been, can we make patients lose weight? Can we achieve clinically meaningful weight loss? This has been the focus of this first wave and has really been spearheaded by the first generation of incretin-based treatment. The focus on the current wave has been to maximize body weight reduction and improve solubility. Here we're seeing the introduction of complementary and alternative mode of actions. We've seen the introduction of amylin analog as well as multimodal therapies, including dual and triple agonist.
Louise Dalbøge: But before getting into the data, let's just take a step back and take a broader look at the obesity landscape and where the market is heading. Because it's no secret that obesity continues to be a growing global healthcare challenge, and there is a well-recognized need for novel treatment approaches. For the past decades, the core question with obesity treatment has really been, can we make patients lose weight? Can we achieve clinically meaningful weight loss?
Speaker #7: Because it's no secret that obesity continues to be a growing global healthcare challenge, and there is a well-recognized need for novel treatment approaches. For the past decades, the core question with obesity treatment has really been: can we make patients lose weight?
Speaker #7: Can we achieve clinically meaningful weight loss? This has been the focus of the first wave and has really been spearheaded by the first generation of incretin-based treatments.
Louise Dalbøge: This has been the focus of this first wave and has really been spearheaded by the first generation of incretin-based treatment. The focus on the current wave has been to maximize body weight reduction and improve solubility. Here we're seeing the introduction of complementary and alternative mode of actions. We've seen the introduction of amylin analog as well as multimodal therapies, including dual and triple agonist.
Speaker #7: The focus on the current wave has been to maximize body weight reduction and improve solubility. Here, we've seen the introduction of complementary and alternative modes of action.
Speaker #7: We've seen the introduction of amylin analogues as well as multimodal therapies, including DOR and Swivel agonists. And the toolbox for patients has been significantly expanded here, but it's also well acknowledged that the body weight reduction is not that much.
Louise Dalbøge: The toolbox for patients have been significantly expanded here. But it's also well acknowledged that the body weight reduction is not just fat mass. Lean mass actually accounts for 20% to 45% of the weight lost. Lean mass, it's muscle, it's bones, it's internal organs, so it's all the tissue that we would ideally like to preserve when we're trying to lose weight. Therefore, we believe that the focus for the next wave will be quality, with focus on body composition, maximizing fat mass loss, and preserve or even enhance skeletal muscle mass. That's where the field is going, and Gubra's pipeline is strategically positioned to meet these emerging trends. So now let's take a look at some of these assets. First of all, we have the triple agonist, long-acting, first-in-class.
Louise Dalbøge: The toolbox for patients have been significantly expanded here. But it's also well acknowledged that the body weight reduction is not just fat mass. Lean mass actually accounts for 20% to 45% of the weight lost. Lean mass, it's muscle, it's bones, it's internal organs, so it's all the tissue that we would ideally like to preserve when we're trying to lose weight.
Speaker #7: Lean mass actually accounts for 20% to 45% of the weight loss. And lean mass—it's muscle, it's bones, it's internal organs. So it's all the tissue.
Speaker #7: Then we would ideally like to preserve when we're trying to lose weight. Therefore, we believe that the focus for the next wave will be quality, with a focus on body composition—maximizing fat mass loss and preserving or even enhancing skeletal muscle mass.
Louise Dalbøge: Therefore, we believe that the focus for the next wave will be quality, with focus on body composition, maximizing fat mass loss, and preserve or even enhance skeletal muscle mass. That's where the field is going, and Gubra's pipeline is strategically positioned to meet these emerging trends. So now let's take a look at some of these assets. First of all, we have the triple agonist, long-acting, first-in-class.
Speaker #7: That's where the field is going, and Gubra's pipeline is strategically positioned to meet these emerging trends. So, now let's take a look at some of these assets.
Speaker #7: First of all, we have the triple agonist, long-acting, first-in-class. This asset targets the GLP-1, the GIP, and Y2 receptors to engage in a complementary mode of action involved in body weight reduction.
Louise Dalbøge: This asset targets the GLP-1, the GIP, and Y2 receptors to engage in complementary mode of action involved in body weight reduction. This asset was discovered in collaboration with Boehringer Ingelheim, who now have sole responsibility for driving it forward. After seeing encouraging phase I data that demonstrated a favorable safety and tolerability profile, along with encouraging weight loss, Boehringer Ingelheim has now initiated the phase II development here. The study will enroll approximately 300 participants that are treated for 42 weeks. So we really see this as a true validation of both the asset potential, but also Gubra's peptide discovery capabilities. Next we have ABBV-295, the long-acting amylin analog that is now out-licensed to AbbVie. A core differentiator with the amylin class of compounds is the potential to deliver clinically relevant weight loss with a better tolerability profile.
Louise Dalbøge: This asset targets the GLP-1, the GIP, and Y2 receptors to engage in complementary mode of action involved in body weight reduction. This asset was discovered in collaboration with Boehringer Ingelheim, who now have sole responsibility for driving it forward. After seeing encouraging phase I data that demonstrated a favorable safety and tolerability profile, along with encouraging weight loss, Boehringer Ingelheim has now initiated the phase II development here.
Speaker #7: This asset was discovered in collaboration with Boehringer Ingelheim, who now have sole responsibility for driving it forward. And after seeing impressive phase one data that demonstrated a favorable safety and solubility profile, along with encouraging weight loss, Boehringer Ingelheim has now initiated the phase two development here.
Speaker #7: The study will enroll approximately 300 participants, who will be treated for 42 weeks. So, we really see this as true validation of both the asset's potential, but also Gubra's peptide discovery capabilities.
Louise Dalbøge: The study will enroll approximately 300 participants that are treated for 42 weeks. So we really see this as a true validation of both the asset potential, but also Gubra's peptide discovery capabilities. Next we have ABBV-295, the long-acting amylin analog that is now out-licensed to AbbVie. A core differentiator with the amylin class of compounds is the potential to deliver clinically relevant weight loss with a better tolerability profile.
Speaker #7: So next, we have ABBV-295, the long-acting amylin analog that is now out-licensed to API. A core differentiator with the amylin class of compounds is the potential to deliver clinically relevant weight loss with a better solubility profile.
Speaker #7: So this means that amylin may represent the next distinct class of drugs for chronic weight management. 295 has consistently shown competitive results throughout a comprehensive phase one program.
Louise Dalbøge: This means that amylin may represent the next distinct class of drugs for chronic weight management. 295 has consistently shown competitive results throughout a comprehensive phase I program. The data from the MAD study was the top-line data was presented by AbbVie in March, and here 295 showed a very competitive weight loss profile of almost 10% after just 12 weeks of treatment. Remember that this is in a lower BMI cohort, with predominantly male participants. Importantly, 295 also revealed the potential for less frequent dosing. Here, comparable weight loss was observed with the every second weekly dosing or even once monthly dosing. In addition, 295 had a favorable safety and tolerability profile. Here, adverse events were predominantly GI, mild, and transient. The data from this study will be presented at EASD in September.
Louise Dalbøge: This means that amylin may represent the next distinct class of drugs for chronic weight management. 295 has consistently shown competitive results throughout a comprehensive phase I program. The data from the MAD study was the top-line data was presented by AbbVie in March, and here 295 showed a very competitive weight loss profile of almost 10% after just 12 weeks of treatment.
Speaker #7: The data from the MAB study—top-line data—was presented by API in March, and here, 295 showed a very competitive weight loss profile.
Speaker #7: Of almost 10% after just 12 weeks of treatment. And remember that this is in a lower BMI cohort with predominantly male participants. Importantly, 295 also revealed the potential for less frequent dosing.
Louise Dalbøge: Remember that this is in a lower BMI cohort, with predominantly male participants. Importantly, 295 also revealed the potential for less frequent dosing. Here, comparable weight loss was observed with the every second weekly dosing or even once monthly dosing. In addition, 295 had a favorable safety and tolerability profile. Here, adverse events were predominantly GI, mild, and transient. The data from this study will be presented at EASD in September.
Speaker #7: So here, comparable weight loss was observed with the every-other-week dosing or even once-monthly dosing. In addition, 295 had a favorable safety and solubility profile.
Speaker #7: Adverse events were predominantly GI, mild and transient. The data from this study will be presented at EASD in September. Currently, 295 is being tested in an ongoing Phase 1b trial in people with obesity, a higher BMI range, and a higher proportion of female participants.
Louise Dalbøge: Currently, ABBV-295 is being tested in an ongoing phase I-B trial in people with obesity, higher BMI range, and higher proportion of female participants. AbbVie still plans to initiate phase II in Q3. With that, I am happy to hand over to Thomas, our CMDO, who will talk more about our UCN2 program.
Louise Dalbøge: Currently, 295 is being tested in an ongoing phase I-B trial in people with obesity, higher BMI range, and higher proportion of female participants. AbbVie still plans to initiate phase II in Q3. With that, I am happy to hand over to Thomas, our CMDO, who will talk more about our UCN2 program.
Speaker #7: And API still plans to initiate Phase 2 in Q3. And with that, I'm happy to hand over to Thomas as CDMO, who will talk more about IUCN2 programs.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Luiza. So now let me turn to what makes Gubra UCN2 so compelling. Gubra UCN2 is a long-acting agonist at the CRHR2 receptor.
Thomas Langenickel: Thank you, Louise. Now let me turn to what makes the GUB-UCN2 so compelling. GUB-UCN2 is a long-acting agonist at the CRHR2 receptor, and that makes it a very differentiated and novel mechanism of action that addresses key needs for people living with obesity. As you can see on this slide, in adipose tissue, UCN2 lowers fat mass and lowers triglycerides. In the muscle tissue, which is actually the main tissue, the main target tissue for UCN2, it drives the build-up of muscle through anabolic and inhibition of catabolic effect, which also has a positive impact on insulin sensitivity. Further evidence points towards additional cardiorenal benefits as laid out on the slide. For me, there are actually two key takeaways on that slide. First, GUB-UCN2 is not simply about weight loss.
Thomas Langenickel: Thank you, Louise. Now let me turn to what makes the GUB-UCN2 so compelling. GUB-UCN2 is a long-acting agonist at the CRHR2 receptor, and that makes it a very differentiated and novel mechanism of action that addresses key needs for people living with obesity. As you can see on this slide, in adipose tissue, UCN2 lowers fat mass and lowers triglycerides.
Speaker #1: And that makes it really a very differentiated and novel mechanism of action that addresses key needs for people living with obesity. And as you can see on this slide, in adipose tissue, UCN2 lowers fat mass and lowers triglycerides.
Speaker #1: In the muscle tissue, which is actually the main tissue—the main target tissue—for UCN2, it drives buildup of muscle through anabolic and inhibition of catabolic effects, which also has a positive impact on insulin sensitivity.
Thomas Langenickel: In the muscle tissue, which is actually the main tissue, the main target tissue for UCN2, it drives the build-up of muscle through anabolic and inhibition of catabolic effect, which also has a positive impact on insulin sensitivity. Further evidence points towards additional cardiorenal benefits as laid out on the slide. For me, there are actually two key takeaways on that slide. First, GUB-UCN2 is not simply about weight loss.
Speaker #1: And further evidence really points towards additional cardiorenal benefits, as laid out on the slide. For me, there are actually two key takeaways on that slide.
Speaker #1: First, Gubra UCN2 is not simply about weight loss. It really has the potential to fundamentally improve body composition by reducing fat mass and building muscle mass at the same time.
Thomas Langenickel: It really has the potential to fundamentally improve body composition by reduction of fat mass and by building muscle mass at the same time. The added muscle mass is expected to provide functional benefit to patients through improvement of strength and physical performance. That really opens up two compelling and attractive development paths. On the one hand, using GUB-UCN2 as a differentiated monotherapy. On the other hand, in conjunction with incretin-based therapies. The second key takeaway is that the opportunity is not about obesity alone. As I indicated, we have multiple effects on very differentiated tissues, which gives us the opportunity to develop GUB-UCN2 into multiple indications. In particular, if you are thinking about muscle wasting conditions and cardiovascular diseases, which gives GUB-UCN2 a very broad development potential. The preclinical data generated to date make the potential tangible.
Thomas Langenickel: It really has the potential to fundamentally improve body composition by reduction of fat mass and by building muscle mass at the same time. The added muscle mass is expected to provide functional benefit to patients through improvement of strength and physical performance. That really opens up two compelling and attractive development paths. On the one hand, using GUB-UCN2 as a differentiated monotherapy.
Speaker #1: The added muscle mass is really expected to provide a functional benefit to patients through improvement of strength and physical performance. That really opens up two compelling and attractive development paths: on one hand, using Gubra UCN2 as a differentiated monotherapy; on the other hand, in conjunction with incretin-based therapies.
Thomas Langenickel: On the other hand, in conjunction with incretin-based therapies. The second key takeaway is that the opportunity is not about obesity alone. As I indicated, we have multiple effects on very differentiated tissues, which gives us the opportunity to develop GUB-UCN2 into multiple indications. In particular, if you are thinking about muscle wasting conditions and cardiovascular diseases, which gives GUB-UCN2 a very broad development potential. The preclinical data generated to date make the potential tangible.
Speaker #1: The second key takeaway is that the opportunity is not about obesity alone. As I indicated, we have multiple effects on very differentiated tissues, which gives us the opportunity to develop Gubra UCN2 into multiple indications.
Speaker #1: In particular, if you're thinking about muscle wasting conditions and cardiorenal diseases, which gives Gubra UCN2 really a very broad development potential. So, the preclinical data generated to date make the potential really tangible.
Speaker #1: So, I would like to share a data set with you, really as an example of a use case for Gubra UCN2, where we investigated it as monotherapy and in combination with semaglutide in rats with obesity due to a high-fat diet.
Thomas Langenickel: I would like to share a data set with you, as an example of a use case for GUB-UCN2, where we investigated it as monotherapy and in combination with semaglutide in rats with obesity due to high-fat diet. On the left-hand side, we can see that GUB-UCN2 profoundly reduces fat mass, which is depicted by the green bar. When combined with semaglutide, we do see an additive effect beyond the effect that we do see with either treatment alone. The middle graph shows the differentiation of GUB-UCN2. We do see that with this mechanism of action, we can build lean mass, of which muscle is a predominant part. We can also rescue the loss of muscle mass that we see with semaglutide in this experimental setting.
Thomas Langenickel: I would like to share a data set with you, as an example of a use case for GUB-UCN2, where we investigated it as monotherapy and in combination with semaglutide in rats with obesity due to high-fat diet. On the left-hand side, we can see that GUB-UCN2 profoundly reduces fat mass, which is depicted by the green bar. When combined with semaglutide, we do see an additive effect beyond the effect that we do see with either treatment alone.
Speaker #1: On the left-hand side, you can see that Gubra UCN2 really profoundly reduces fat mass, which is depicted by the green bar. When combined with semaglutide, we do see an additive effect beyond the effect that we see with either treatment alone.
Speaker #1: The middle graph shows really the differentiation of Gubra UCN2. We do see that, with this mechanism of action, we can really build lean mass, of which muscle is really a predominant part.
Thomas Langenickel: The middle graph shows the differentiation of GUB-UCN2. We do see that with this mechanism of action, we can build lean mass, of which muscle is a predominant part. We can also rescue the loss of muscle mass that we see with semaglutide in this experimental setting.
Speaker #1: And we can also rescue the loss of muscle mass that we see with semaglutide in this experimental setting. On the right-hand side, you see actually very nicely why body weight does not tell the full story.
Thomas Langenickel: On the right-hand side, you see actually very nicely why body weight does not tell the full story. Monotherapy alone does not result in a reduction in body weight in this particular experimental setting. That is because we reduce body fat and at the same time balance it with a gain in muscle mass. Hence, the overall effect in this setting is neutral. However, when combined with semaglutide, we continue seeing the weight reduction driven by semaglutide, but GUB-UCN2 really dramatically changes the composition of the weight loss that we are seeing in combination therapy. This is really a very, very attractive drug profile, reducing fat mass, improving muscle mass, and having the potential for a functional muscle improvement. We are very excited about now moving this asset into clinical development, and it is really an important inflection point for Gubra.
Thomas Langenickel: On the right-hand side, you see actually very nicely why body weight does not tell the full story. Monotherapy alone does not result in a reduction in body weight in this particular experimental setting. That is because we reduce body fat and at the same time balance it with a gain in muscle mass. Hence, the overall effect in this setting is neutral. However, when combined with semaglutide, we continue seeing the weight reduction driven by semaglutide, but GUB-UCN2 really dramatically changes the composition of the weight loss that we are seeing in combination therapy.
Speaker #1: Monotherapy alone does not result in a reduction in body fat or body weight in this particular experimental setting. That is because we reduce body fat and, at the same time, balance it with a gain in muscle mass.
Speaker #1: Hence, the overall effect in this setting is neutral. However, when combined with semaglutide, we continue seeing the weight reduction driven by semaglutide, but Gubra UCN2 really dramatically changes the composition of the weight loss.
Speaker #1: That we are seeing in combination therapy. This is really a very, very attractive drug profile, right? Reducing fat mass, improving muscle mass, and having the potential for functional muscle improvement.
Thomas Langenickel: This is really a very, very attractive drug profile, reducing fat mass, improving muscle mass, and having the potential for a functional muscle improvement. We are very excited about now moving this asset into clinical development, and it is really an important inflection point for Gubra.
Speaker #1: So, we are very excited about now moving this asset into clinical development, and it's really an important inflection point for Gubra, right? Moving a compelling preclinical package into a clinical opportunity.
Thomas Langenickel: Moving a compelling preclinical package into a clinical opportunity. We have now initiated a very comprehensive Phase I/Phase IIa clinical trial where we enroll healthy participants but also people living with obesity and move the assessment from the single ascending dose to a multiple ascending dose and a multiple dose part with up to 16 week of treatment duration. Importantly, we are assessing GUB-UCN2 as monotherapy and as combination therapy with an incretin. In addition to the typical Phase I endpoints related to safety, tolerability, and pharmacokinetics, the trial was really designed from the outset to provide a very comprehensive clinical data package looking at muscle mass and muscle function, and also building the foundation really for indication expansion into muscle-wasting conditions and into cardiovascular diseases. We will be able to speak more about the development program of GUB-UCN2 at our upcoming R&D event on 27 October.
Thomas Langenickel: Moving a compelling preclinical package into a clinical opportunity. We have now initiated a very comprehensive phase I/phase II-A clinical trial where we enroll healthy participants but also people living with obesity and move the assessment from the single ascending dose to a Multiple Ascending Dose and a multiple dose part with up to 16 week of treatment duration.
Speaker #1: We have now initiated a very comprehensive phase one, phase two A clinical trial, where we enroll healthy participants but also people living with obesity, and move the assessment from the single ascending dose to a multiple ascending dose and a multiple dose part, with up to 16 weeks of treatment duration.
Thomas Langenickel: Importantly, we are assessing GUB-UCN2 as monotherapy and as combination therapy with an incretin. In addition to the typical phase I endpoints related to safety, tolerability, and pharmacokinetics, the trial was really designed from the outset to provide a very comprehensive clinical data package looking at muscle mass and muscle function, and also building the foundation really for indication expansion into muscle-wasting conditions and into cardiovascular diseases. We will be able to speak more about the development program of GUB-UCN2 at our upcoming R&D event on 27 October.
Speaker #1: Importantly, we are assessing Gubra UCN2 as monotherapy and as combination therapy with an incretin. So, in addition to the typical Phase 1 endpoints related to safety, tolerability, and pharmacokinetics, the trial was really designed from the outset to provide a very comprehensive clinical data package.
Speaker #1: Looking at muscle mass and muscle function, and also building the foundation, really, for indication expansion into muscle wasting conditions and into cardiorenal diseases. So we will be able to speak more about the development program of Gubra UCN2 at our upcoming R&D event on October 27.
Speaker #1: With that, I would like to conclude and hand it over to Zoe, our Head of Gubra Ventures.
Thomas Langenickel: With that, I would like to conclude and hand it over to Zoë, our Head of Gubra Ventures.
Thomas Langenickel: With that, I would like to conclude and hand it over to Zoë, our Head of Gubra Ventures.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Thomas. So now we turn to Gubra Ventures, which is our value accelerator. And the message here is simple: we are using our internal engine to create additional routes to value via external innovation.
Zoë Johnson: Thank you, Thomas. Now we turn to Gubra Ventures, which is our value accelerator. The message here is simple. We are using our internal engine to create additional routes to value via external innovation. Why are we doing this? Well, Gubra Ventures is built around four value accelerators. The first is increasing shots on goal by accessing external innovation, including novel assets and novel technologies that are complementary to Gubra's core. The second is expansion into new diseases and new technology areas. The third is return via future exits, so additional revenue stream beyond that of the CRO and the biotech pipeline. The fourth is because this will not be a standing start. We can go faster, we can lower our dependencies on external service providers, and we can also use disciplined capital use to create these opportunities. Why now?
Zoë Johnson: Thank you, Thomas. Now we turn to Gubra Ventures, which is our value accelerator. The message here is simple. We are using our internal engine to create additional routes to value via external innovation. Why are we doing this? Well, Gubra Ventures is built around four value accelerators. The first is increasing shots on goal by accessing external innovation, including novel assets and novel technologies that are complementary to Gubra's core.
Speaker #2: So, why are we doing this? Well, Gubra Ventures is built around four value accelerators. The first is increasing shots on goal by accessing external innovation, including novel assets and novel technologies that are complementary to Gubra's core.
Speaker #2: The second is expansion into new diseases and new technology areas. The third is return by a future exit, so an additional revenue stream beyond that of the CRO and the biotech pipeline.
Zoë Johnson: The second is expansion into new diseases and new technology areas. The third is return via future exits, so additional revenue stream beyond that of the CRO and the biotech pipeline. The fourth is because this will not be a standing start. We can go faster, we can lower our dependencies on external service providers, and we can also use disciplined capital use to create these opportunities. Why now?
Speaker #2: And the fourth is because this will not be a standing start, so we can go faster. We can lower our dependencies on external service providers, and we can also use disciplined capital to create these opportunities.
Speaker #2: And why now? Well, Gubra is really uniquely positioned to build on the credible foundations that we've established and amplify those to produce these value accelerators.
Zoë Johnson: Well, Gubra is uniquely positioned to build on the credible foundations that we have built and amplify those to produce these value accelerators. The first foundation is our scientific and therapeutic area depth, as well as our development capabilities. Secondly, we have a discovery platform that we can use for joint ventures to create new opportunities in the peptide therapeutic space. Thirdly, we will use our integrated capabilities, know-how, and shared infrastructure to bring those opportunities faster to the clinic. In all these respects, Gubra Ventures will be bringing more than capital. In summary, we are expanding our innovation footprint by additional routes to return and turning what we do well into further value creation. With that, I will pass over to Trine.
Zoë Johnson: Well, Gubra is uniquely positioned to build on the credible foundations that we have built and amplify those to produce these value accelerators. The first foundation is our scientific and therapeutic area depth, as well as our development capabilities. Secondly, we have a discovery platform that we can use for joint ventures to create new opportunities in the peptide therapeutic space.
Speaker #2: So, the first foundation is our scientific and therapeutic area depth, as well as our development capabilities. Secondly, we have a discovery platform that we can use for joint ventures to create new opportunities in the peptide therapeutics space.
Speaker #2: And third, we'll use our integrated capabilities, know-how, and shared infrastructure to bring those opportunities faster to the clinic. So in all these respects, Gubra Ventures will be bringing more than capital.
Zoë Johnson: Thirdly, we will use our integrated capabilities, know-how, and shared infrastructure to bring those opportunities faster to the clinic. In all these respects, Gubra Ventures will be bringing more than capital. In summary, we are expanding our innovation footprint by additional routes to return and turning what we do well into further value creation. With that, I will pass over to Trine.
Speaker #2: So, in summary, we're expanding our innovation footprint by pursuing additional routes to return, and turning what we do well into further value creation. And with that, I'll pass over to Trina.
Speaker #3: Thank you so much for that, Zoe. The CRO continues to be an important value enabler for Gubra. For many years, we've had a strong record of solid growth and profitability, building best-in-class services for serving our customers, both externally and internally.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: Thank you so much for that, Zoe. The CRO is continuously an important value enabler for Gubra. For many years, we have had strong record of solid growth and profitability, building best-in-class services for serving our customers, both externally and internally. We are considered a scientific leader. We have more than 18 years experience working in the metabolic space and in particular in obesity, and we serve 17 of the top 20 pharmas globally. They choose us because we can deliver complex models with high quality, unbiased data at speed and with excellent scientific guidance. Our ambition is to stay ahead of the curve. We have done that always in the past, introducing obesity services very early on, MASH and kidney platforms.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: Thank you so much for that, Zoë. The CRO is continuously an important value enabler for Gubra. For many years, we have had strong record of solid growth and profitability, building best-in-class services for serving our customers, both externally and internally. We are considered a scientific leader. We have more than 18 years experience working in the metabolic space and in particular in obesity, and we serve 17 of the top 20 pharmas globally.
Speaker #3: We are considered a scientific leader; we have more than 18 years of experience working in the metabolic space, particularly in obesity, and we serve 17 of the top 20 pharma companies globally.
Speaker #3: They really choose us because we can deliver complex models with high-quality, unbiased data at speed, and with excellent scientific guidance. So our ambition is really to stay ahead of the curve.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: They choose us because we can deliver complex models with high quality, unbiased data at speed and with excellent scientific guidance. Our ambition is to stay ahead of the curve. We have done that always in the past, introducing obesity services very early on, MASH and kidney platforms.
Speaker #3: We've done that always in the past, introducing obesity services very early on, MESH and kidney platforms, and now we are introducing we have introduced this year services in women's health and sarcopenia, so this muscle platform, and really trying to differentiate ourselves and open up new growth opportunities for the future.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: Now we have introduced this year services in women's health and sarcopenia, this muscle platform, and really trying to differentiate ourselves, and open up new growth opportunities for the future. It is this combination of deep scientific expertise and the trusted customer relationship and continuous service innovation that underpins the long-term strength of the CRO business. After a few challenging quarters, we are seeing early signs of improvement across a number of different market indicators. In particular, biotech funding is rebounded strongly in 2026, and we also see a continued outsourcing trend among pharma companies especially, and this is driving demand in our industry. We have clear priorities. We want to maintain our leading position in the metabolic and fibrotic space.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: Now we have introduced this year services in women's health and sarcopenia, this muscle platform, and really trying to differentiate ourselves, and open up new growth opportunities for the future. It is this combination of deep scientific expertise and the trusted customer relationship and continuous service innovation that underpins the long-term strength of the CRO business.
Speaker #3: So, it's this combination of deep, deep scientific expertise and the trusted customer relationship, along with continuous service innovation, that underpins the long-term strength of the CRO business.
Speaker #3: After a few challenging quarters, we are seeing early signs of improvement across a number of different market indicators. In particular, biotech funding has rebounded strongly in 2026, and we also see a continued outsourcing trend among pharma companies especially, and this is really driving demand in our industry.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: After a few challenging quarters, we are seeing early signs of improvement across a number of different market indicators. In particular, biotech funding is rebounded strongly in 2026, and we also see a continued outsourcing trend among pharma companies especially, and this is driving demand in our industry. We have clear priorities. We want to maintain our leading position in the metabolic and fibrotic space.
Speaker #3: We have clear priorities. We want to maintain our leading position in the metabolic and fibrotic space. We also want to, as I said, expand into new, interesting, and attractive therapeutic areas, and accelerate the development and commercialization of our advanced 2D and 3D imaging platforms.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: We want to also, as I said, expand into new, interesting and attractive therapeutic areas and accelerate the development of the commercialization of our advanced 2D and 3D imaging platforms. Besides that, we are also increasing our commercial activities, in particular in US, we are expanding and combining this with a cost discipline. We focus on regaining momentum. We have grown 11% since H2 2025, and we have also returned to positive profitability. There is naturally some uncertainty around the revenue recognition, but we see a very sound order book, both with our external and internal customers. Obesity remains our largest contributor revenue-wise, and we see a rebound in MASH and kidney studies, which is improving the commercial outlook for H2 of this year.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: We want to also, as I said, expand into new, interesting and attractive therapeutic areas and accelerate the development of the commercialization of our advanced 2D and 3D imaging platforms. Besides that, we are also increasing our commercial activities, in particular in US, we are expanding and combining this with a cost discipline. We focus on regaining momentum.
Speaker #3: Besides that, we are also increasing our commercial activities, in particular in the US. We are expanding and combining this with a cost discipline. We are really focused on regaining momentum.
Speaker #3: We've grown 11% since the first second half of 2025, and we've also returned to positive profitability. So, there is naturally some uncertainty around the revenue recognition, but we see a very sound order book, both with our external and internal customers. Obesity remains our largest contributor revenue-wise, and we see a rebound in MESH and kidney studies, which is improving the commercial outlook for the second half of the year.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: We have grown 11% since H2 2025, and we have also returned to positive profitability. There is naturally some uncertainty around the revenue recognition, but we see a very sound order book, both with our external and internal customers. Obesity remains our largest contributor revenue-wise, and we see a rebound in MASH and kidney studies, which is improving the commercial outlook for H2 of this year.
Speaker #3: So overall, we see we are partially optimistic about the next half year, and we want to convert this momentum that we're growing while continuing to strengthen the strategic importance of the CRO for the business.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: So overall, we are cautiously optimistic about the next H2, and we want to convert this momentum that we are having now into profitable growth while continuing to strengthen the strategic importance of the CRO for the business. I will hand it over to you, Christian.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: So overall, we are cautiously optimistic about the next H2, and we want to convert this momentum that we are having now into profitable growth while continuing to strengthen the strategic importance of the CRO for the business. I will hand it over to you, Kristian.
Speaker #3: And now I will hand it over to you, Christian.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Trina. And just a little bit of clarification on the recognition of revenue. It is not uncertain that we've recognized revenue; it's just that when we sell in the CRO business, revenue will occur when we perform the studies.
[Company Representative] (Gubra): Thank you, Trine. Just a little bit of clarification on the recognition of revenue. It is not uncertain that we have recognized revenue. It is just when we sell it in the CRO business, revenue will occur when we perform the studies, not uncertainty, just if we recognize revenue. Just as a clarification. With that, let us look at the financial side, taking the Biotech business first. This is a business that naturally has lumpiness in its revenue and earnings when upfront payments occur and when milestone payments occur. In the H1 of 2026, we had some milestone payments, totaling DKK 30 million, but not, of course, to the same level as last year where we had the upfront payment from AbbVie of DKK 2.4 billion. This lumpiness occurs each and every quarter as inherently in a Biotech business with partnership collaborations.
Kristian Borbos: Thank you, Trine. Just a little bit of clarification on the recognition of revenue. It is not uncertain that we have recognized revenue. It is just when we sell it in the CRO business, revenue will occur when we perform the studies, not uncertainty, just if we recognize revenue. Just as a clarification. With that, let us look at the financial side, taking the Biotech business first. This is a business that naturally has lumpiness in its revenue and earnings when upfront payments occur and when milestone payments occur.
Speaker #4: Not uncertainty, just if we recognize revenue. Just as a clarification. So, with that, let's look at the financial side. Taking the biotech business first.
Speaker #4: So this is a business that naturally has lumpiness in its revenue and earnings, when upstream upfront payments occur and when milestone payments occur. In the first half of 2026, we had some milestone payments totaling 30 million Danish, but not, of course, to the same level as last year where we had the upfront payment from AbbVie of DKK 2.4 billion.
Kristian Borbos: In the H1 of 2026, we had some milestone payments, totaling DKK 30 million, but not, of course, to the same level as last year where we had the upfront payment from AbbVie of DKK 2.4 billion. This lumpiness occurs each and every quarter as inherently in a Biotech business with partnership collaborations.
Speaker #4: So this lumpiness, you know, occurs each and every quarter, as is inherent in a biotech business with partnership collaborations. And we know already in Q3, you know, we will receive €10 million from the startup of the Phase 2 for the triple agonist from Boehringer.
[Company Representative] (Gubra): We know already in Q3, we will receive €10 million from startup of the phase II for the triple agonist from Boehringer Ingelheim. So a very important payment that is already recognized in the books for Q3. Taking the CRO business, as Trine said, we have seen a sequential improvement, with revenue up 11% compared to the H2 last year. As Trine also said, we are seeing an overall stronger demand situation, especially for our smaller clients. The smaller clients are typically the swing factor in Gubra's earnings and revenue in the CRO business. Just as you saw in 2023 and 2024, there was a lot of influx of smaller clients in Gubra, and a bit of the opposite in 2025. That has been to large extent driven by the funding conditions, and funding conditions are now improving.
Kristian Borbos: We know already in Q3, we will receive EUR 10 million from startup of the phase II for the triple agonist from Boehringer Ingelheim. So a very important payment that is already recognized in the books for Q3. Taking the CRO business, as Trine said, we have seen a sequential improvement, with revenue up 11% compared to the H2 last year. As Trine also said, we are seeing an overall stronger demand situation, especially for our smaller clients.
Speaker #4: So, you know, a very important payment that is already recognized in the books for Q3. Taking the CRO business, as Trina said, we've seen sequential improvement.
Speaker #4: With revenue up 11% compared to the second half of last year. And I've also said we're seeing an overall stronger demand situation, especially for smaller clients.
Speaker #4: And the smaller clients are typically the swing factor in Gubra's earnings. And revenue in the CRO business, just as you saw in 2023 and 2024, there was a lot of influx of smaller clients in Gubra.
Kristian Borbos: The smaller clients are typically the swing factor in Gubra's earnings and revenue in the CRO business. Just as you saw in 2023 and 2024, there was a lot of influx of smaller clients in Gubra, and a bit of the opposite in 2025. That has been to large extent driven by the funding conditions, and funding conditions are now improving.
Speaker #4: And a bit the opposite in 2025. That has been, to a large extent, driven by the funding conditions, and funding conditions are now improving.
Speaker #4: So, we're looking into quite a sound order book for the second half of 2026. Earnings in Q4 showed a small loss, and now we've turned that into a small profit in the first half. We expect relatively sound earnings in the second half of this year.
[Company Representative] (Gubra): We are looking into a quite sound order book for H2 of 2026. Earnings Q4, we had a small loss, and now we turn that into a small profit in H1. We expect relatively sound earnings in the H2 of this year. That brings me into the outlook. Short message, unchanged outlook for 2026. Starting with the Biotech business, just as a reminder, we only guide on total costs there. That means both internal costs and external costs for clinical trials, for example. There we guide for DKK 330 to 360 million. CRO business revenue growth, we expect growth in the range of 0% to 10%, and EBIT margin in the range of 10% to 15%. Again, unchanged compared to the guidance we have provided earlier. Unchanged guidance also for the smaller business units, Ventures and Gubra Green.
Kristian Borbos: We are looking into a quite sound order book for H2 of 2026. Earnings Q4, we had a small loss, and now we turn that into a small profit in H1. We expect relatively sound earnings in the H2 of this year. That brings me into the outlook. Short message, unchanged outlook for 2026. Starting with the Biotech business, just as a reminder, we only guide on total costs there. That means both internal costs and external costs for clinical trials, for example. There we guide for DKK 330 to 360 million.
Speaker #4: That brings me to the outlook. So, short message: unchanged outlook for 2026. Starting with the biotech business—just as a reminder, we only guide on total cost.
Speaker #4: That means both internal cost and external cost for clinical trials, for example. And they will guide by DKK 330 to 360 million. CRO business revenue growth, we expect growth in the range of 0 to 10%.
Kristian Borbos: CRO business revenue growth, we expect growth in the range of 0% to 10%, and EBIT margin in the range of 10% to 15%. Again, unchanged compared to the guidance we have provided earlier. Unchanged guidance also for the smaller business units, Ventures and Gubra Green.
Speaker #4: And EBIT margin in the range of 10% to 15%. So again, unchanged compared to the guidance we have provided earlier. Unchanged guidance also for the smaller business units, Ventures and Gubra Green.
Speaker #4: With that, I hand over to Marcus to speak a bit about the news flow going forward here. Please, Marcus.
[Company Representative] (Gubra): With that, I give the word over to Markus just to speak a bit about the news flow going forward here. Please, Markus.
Kristian Borbos: With that, I give the word over to Markus just to speak a bit about the news flow going forward here. Please, Markus.
Speaker #2: Thank you very much, Christian. I'd like to end this with the next value inflection points for Gubra, and I believe we are entering an exciting period of growth.
Markus Rohrwild: Thank you very much, Christian. I would like to end with the next value inflection points for Gubra, and I believe we are entering an exciting period of growth. The next important milestone for us is the start of phase II for the long-acting amylin, and I think this is imminent. That will be good news coming soon. There will also more details be published about this molecule in the phase I MAD study coming up. Looking forward in terms of clinical milestones in the H1 2027, that will be exciting news as well. We have top line data for UCN2 in terms of the first part of the trial, the SAD part. We will initiate the second part, the MAD part. What is also exciting is the phase I-B top line data for ABBV-295.
Markus Rohrwild: Thank you very much, Kristian. I would like to end with the next value inflection points for Gubra, and I believe we are entering an exciting period of growth. The next important milestone for us is the start of phase II for the long-acting amylin, and I think this is imminent. That will be good news coming soon. There will also more details be published about this molecule in the phase I MAD study coming up.
Speaker #2: The next important milestone for us is the start of phase two for the long-acting MLM, and I think this is imminent. There's also some big good news coming soon.
Speaker #2: And there will also be more details be published around about this molecule and the phase one AMAT study coming up. And looking forward in terms of clinical milestones in the first half of 2027, that will be exciting news as well.
Markus Rohrwild: Looking forward in terms of clinical milestones in the H1 2027, that will be exciting news as well. We have top line data for UCN2 in terms of the first part of the trial, the SAD part. We will initiate the second part, the MAD part. What is also exciting is the phase I-B top line data for ABBV-295.
Speaker #2: We have top-line data for UCN2 in terms of the first part of the trials, the SID part. We will initiate the second part, the MAD part.
Speaker #2: And what is also exciting is the Phase 1b top-line data for AbbVie 295. I want to point out that this is in patients who are truly obese, with a BMI of up to 45, and with a higher female participation.
Markus Rohrwild: I want to point out that this is in patients which are truly obese, up to a BMI of 45, and with a higher female participation. I think this will be exciting data. Out of our previously mentioned research collaborations with Hemab, also the first compound will enter first in human studies. On top of that, we will announce our first venture, and I am confident that we will see rejuvenated growth out of the CRO as well. Taken together, also already achieved milestones and our confident outlook, we have all good reason to be ambitious about the H2 of the year, but also for the future of the company. I am equally excited to tell you more about our growth strategy at our Gubra Investor R&D event on 27 October in London. I will talk about the growth strategy, our ambitious growth strategy.
Markus Rohrwild: I want to point out that this is in patients which are truly obese, up to a BMI of 45, and with a higher female participation. I think this will be exciting data. Out of our previously mentioned research collaborations with Hemab, also the first compound will enter first in human studies. On top of that, we will announce our first venture, and I am confident that we will see rejuvenated growth out of the CRO as well.
Speaker #2: So I think this will be exciting data. And out of our previously mentioned research collaborations with HEMA, also the first compound will enter first-in-human studies.
Speaker #2: On top of that, we will announce our first venture. And, you know, I'm confident that we will see rejuvenated growth out of the CRO as well.
Speaker #2: So, taking together also already achieved milestones and our confident outlook, we have all good reason to be ambitious about the second half of the year.
Markus Rohrwild: Taken together, also already achieved milestones and our confident outlook, we have all good reason to be ambitious about the H2 of the year, but also for the future of the company. I am equally excited to tell you more about our growth strategy at our Gubra Investor R&D event on 27 October in London. I will talk about the growth strategy, our ambitious growth strategy.
Speaker #2: But also for the future of the company. And I'm equally excited to tell you more about our growth strategy at our Gubra Invest R&D event on October 27 in London.
Speaker #2: I will talk about the growth strategy—our ambitious growth strategy. We will talk about our pipeline and give some updates. We will present our UCN2 development strategy, its potential indications, and other elements of our strategy.
Markus Rohrwild: We will talk about our pipeline, give some updates. We will present our UCN2 development strategy, its potential indications, and other elements of our strategy. Please join us at the webcast or hopefully in person. Will certainly be an exciting day, and I am looking forward to the presentation.
Markus Rohrwild: We will talk about our pipeline, give some updates. We will present our UCN2 development strategy, its potential indications, and other elements of our strategy. Please join us at the webcast or hopefully in person. Will certainly be an exciting day, and I am looking forward to the presentation.
Speaker #2: So please join us at the webcast, or hopefully in person. It will certainly be an exciting day, and I'm looking forward to the presentation.
Speaker #1: Good. Thanks a lot, Marcus. And thank you to all our presenters as well. That takes us to the Q&A session. So, operator, we're ready to take the first set of questions.
[Company Representative] (Gubra): Good. Thanks a lot, Markus. Thank you to all our presenters as well. That takes us to the Q&A session. Operator, we are ready to take the first set of questions.
Adam Lange: Good. Thanks a lot, Markus. Thank you to all our presenters as well. That takes us to the Q&A session. Operator, we are ready to take the first set of questions.
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Speaker #3: The next question comes from Thomas Bowers from SEB. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Yes, thank you very much. A few questions from my side here. So, maybe just on UCN2. The trial is now listed on ClinicalTrials, and I know that there's only one center now recruiting patients.
Thomas Bowers: Yes, thank you very much. A few questions from my side here. Maybe just on UCN2, so the trial is now listed on clinical trials, and I note that there is only one center now recruiting patients. Should we expect this to be a multicenter study? How about the US side? Should we expect that to come online at some point in time if you are planning for more here? Secondly, also on UCN2, maybe just clarification on the primary efficacy endpoint here for the MAD part, maybe on the phase I/II. Are you primarily looking at type 2 diabetes-related muscle loss, maybe also obesity once you combine with the incretin to get this early signal? Should we also expect you to have data from potential cardiorenal patients with cardiorenal comorbidities?
Thomas Bowers: Yes, thank you very much. A few questions from my side here. Maybe just on UCN2, so the trial is now listed on clinical trials, and I note that there is only one center now recruiting patients. Should we expect this to be a multicenter study? How about the US side? Should we expect that to come online at some point in time if you are planning for more here?
Speaker #5: So, should we expect this to be a multi-center study, and how about the US side? Should we expect that to come online at some point in time if you're planning for more here?
Speaker #5: And then secondly, also on UCN2, maybe just a clarification on the primary efficacy endpoint here for the MAD part. Maybe on the Phase 1/2.
Thomas Bowers: Secondly, also on UCN2, maybe just clarification on the primary efficacy endpoint here for the MAD part, maybe on the phase I/II. Are you primarily looking at type 2 diabetes-related muscle loss, maybe also obesity once you combine with the incretin to get this early signal? Should we also expect you to have data from potential cardiorenal patients with cardiorenal comorbidities?
Speaker #5: So, are you primarily looking at type 2 diabetes-related muscle loss? Maybe also obesity, once you combine with the incretin to get this early signal? Or are we also expecting you to have data from potential cardiorenal patients with cardiorenal comorbidities?
Speaker #5: And then lastly, on UCN, just to understand the incretin part: the combination here, are you looking to sort of mirror the standard incretin titration scheme, or maybe aiming to just go with a fixed low-dose incretin and then use that on top of the UCN2 titration?
Thomas Bowers: Lastly on UCN, just to understand the incretin part, the combination here. Are you looking to mirror the standard incretin titration scheme, or are you maybe aiming to just go with a fixed low dose incretin and then use that on top of the UCN2 titration? I am a little bit curious on how you actually plan to combine this initially. My last question, just on the CRO business. You are expecting a recovery here in H2. Is this also reflected that we could maybe come back to expecting double-digit growth beyond 2026? Thank you.
Thomas Bowers: Lastly on UCN, just to understand the incretin part, the combination here. Are you looking to mirror the standard incretin titration scheme, or are you maybe aiming to just go with a fixed low dose incretin and then use that on top of the UCN2 titration? I am a little bit curious on how you actually plan to combine this initially. My last question, just on the CRO business. You are expecting a recovery here in H2. Is this also reflected that we could maybe come back to expecting double-digit growth beyond 2026? Thank you.
Speaker #5: I'd be curious about how you actually plan to combine this initially. And then my last question—just on the CRO business: you are expecting a recovery here in the second half?
Speaker #5: Does this also reflect that we could maybe come back to expecting double-digit growth beyond 2026? Thank you.
Speaker #1: All right, thanks a lot for those questions, Thomas. So, I think the first three questions on UCN2—the clinical trial side, single-center versus multi-center, and some trial design-specific questions—we will go to Thomas. And then afterward, a question on the CRO business will go to Trina.
Adam Lange: All right. Thanks a lot for those questions, Thomas. So, I think the first three questions on UCN2, clinical trial sites, single center versus multi-center, and some trial design-specific questions, we will go to Thomas, and then afterwards, a question on the CRO business will go to Trine. But Thomas, on UCN2.
Adam Lange: All right. Thanks a lot for those questions, Thomas. So, I think the first three questions on UCN2, clinical trial sites, single center versus multi-center, and some trial design-specific questions, we will go to Thomas, and then afterwards, a question on the CRO business will go to Trine. But Thomas, on UCN2.
Speaker #1: But Thomas, on UCN2.
Speaker #4: Yeah, I'm happy to take the questions on UCN2. Thank you for that, Thomas. So, with regard to the clinical trial side, we have deliberately selected one site for the current trial.
Thomas Langenickel: Yeah, I am happy to take the questions on UCN2. Thank you for that, Thomas. So, with regards to the clinical trial side, we have deliberately selected one site for the current trial. The reason for that is that we have really complex endpoints around muscle function, muscle volume, that really requires expertise at the site. We currently do not plan to expand beyond the site, but we will see how the trial is going to progress. With regards to the overall development strategy and details to the clinical trial, Thomas, we will certainly provide an update at the 27 October R&D Day. But to address some of your points, we are certainly very interested in understanding how UCN2 performs, both as a monotherapy and in conjunction with incretin therapy for the combination arms. We will certainly utilize commercialized products at the prescribed dosing regimens.
Thomas Langenickel: Yeah, I am happy to take the questions on UCN2. Thank you for that, Thomas. So, with regards to the clinical trial side, we have deliberately selected one site for the current trial. The reason for that is that we have really complex endpoints around muscle function, muscle volume, that really requires expertise at the site. We currently do not plan to expand beyond the site, but we will see how the trial is going to progress.
Speaker #4: And the reason for that is that we have really complex endpoints, right, around muscle function, muscle volume—yeah—that really requires expertise at the site.
Speaker #4: Yeah. We currently do not plan to expand beyond the site, but we will see how the trial is going to progress. Yeah. With regards to the overall development strategy and details of the clinical trial, Thomas, we will certainly provide an update at the October 27 R&D day.
Thomas Langenickel: With regards to the overall development strategy and details to the clinical trial, Thomas, we will certainly provide an update at the 27 October R&D Day. But to address some of your points, we are certainly very interested in understanding how UCN2 performs, both as a monotherapy and in conjunction with incretin therapy for the combination arms. We will certainly utilize commercialized products at the prescribed dosing regimens.
Speaker #4: But to address some of your points, we are certainly very interested in understanding how UCN2 performs both as a monotherapy and in conjunction with incretin therapy for the combination arms.
Speaker #4: We will certainly utilize commercialized products, yes, at the prescribed dosing regimens. I think that addresses the questions, or did I forget something?
Thomas Langenickel: I think that addresses the questions, or did I forget?
Thomas Langenickel: I think that addresses the questions, or did I forget?
Speaker #1: I think you covered it all. And then the last question was on CRO—expectations for the second half of the year and if there's anything we can say on getting back to double-digit growth.
Adam Lange: I think you covered it all.
Adam Lange: I think you covered it all.
Thomas Langenickel: Yeah.
Thomas Langenickel: Yeah.
Adam Lange: The last question was on CRO expectations for H2 of the year, and if there is anything we can say on getting back to double-digit growth.
Adam Lange: The last question was on CRO expectations for H2 of the year, and if there is anything we can say on getting back to double-digit growth.
Speaker #6: So, as I said, we see a positive trend in the market, and we expect to be able to follow guidance in the second half of 2026.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: As I said, we see a positive trend in the market, and we expect to be able to follow guidance in H2 of 2026. Looking into 2027, what we have been working on in 2026 is expanding our model portfolio to stand and be ahead of the curve on important growth areas relevant in the market, combined with our cost discipline and initiatives we have taken on that side. In 2027, my hope is to get back to the long-term guidance, which is 10% growth. This is our ambition.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: As I said, we see a positive trend in the market, and we expect to be able to follow guidance in H2 of 2026. Looking into 2027, what we have been working on in 2026 is expanding our model portfolio to stand and be ahead of the curve on important growth areas relevant in the market, combined with our cost discipline and initiatives we have taken on that side. In 2027, my hope is to get back to the long-term guidance, which is 10% growth. This is our ambition.
Speaker #6: Looking into 2027, what we have been working on in 2026 is expanding our model portfolio to stay ahead of the curve in important growth areas relevant to the market.
Speaker #6: Combined with our cost discipline and initiatives we've taken on that side. So, in 2027, my hope is to get back to the long-term guidance, which is 10% growth.
Speaker #6: This is our ambition.
Speaker #5: And thank you very much. Oh, sorry.
Adam Lange: Great. Thank you very much. Oh, sorry.
Adam Lange: Great. Thank you very much. Oh, sorry.
Speaker #7: Just supplementing Trina. So, the Gubra CRO business is a growth case. We've grown over the years by around 14% over the last couple of years—14% annually.
[Company Representative] (Gubra): Just supplementing Trine. The Gubra CRO business is a growth case. We have grown over the years by around 14% over the last couple of years, 14% annually. Of course, there are some swings between certain years, but definitely, Gubra CRO is in a good position, and we want to grow the business 10% annually.
Kristian Borbos: Just supplementing Trine. The Gubra CRO business is a growth case. We have grown over the years by around 14% over the last couple of years, 14% annually. Of course, there are some swings between certain years, but definitely, Gubra CRO is in a good position, and we want to grow the business 10% annually.
Speaker #7: So, of course, there are some swings between certain years, but definitely, Gubra CRO is in a good position, and we want to grow the business 10% annually.
Speaker #1: Great.
Adam Lange: Great. Thanks a lot, Thomas.
Adam Lange: Great. Thanks a lot, Thomas.
Thomas Bowers: Thank you very much.
Thomas Bowers: Thank you very much.
Speaker #5: Thank you very much.
Speaker #1: All right. Thank you, Thomas, as well, for the question. So we are now ready for the next question.
Adam Lange: All right. Thank you, Thomas, as well for the question. We are now ready for the next question.
Adam Lange: All right. Thank you, Thomas, as well for the question. We are now ready for the next question.
Speaker #3: The next question comes from Rajan Sharma from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Operator 2: The next question comes from Rajan Sharma from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Rajan Sharma from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hi, thanks for taking the questions. I've got two—one on the CRO and one on the biotech business. Maybe just starting with UCN2, could you just help us understand what are the most important endpoints that you'll be monitoring to support that target product profile there?
Rajan Sharma: Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. I have two, one on the CRO and one on the Biotech business. Maybe just starting with UCN2. Could you just help us understand what are the most important endpoints that you will be monitoring to support that target product profile there? What is your internal bars for success, and what would you need to see to justify further development for that asset when we see the data next year? Just on the CRO, I think previously you talked about expanding into women's health. Could you just give us an update on progress there and development? Just looking on your comments on slide 23, it does not look like women's health is contributing commercially this year. When should we start to expect some contribution? Thank you.
Rajan Sharma: Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. I have two, one on the CRO and one on the Biotech business. Maybe just starting with UCN2. Could you just help us understand what are the most important endpoints that you will be monitoring to support that target product profile there? What is your internal bars for success, and what would you need to see to justify further development for that asset when we see the data next year?
Speaker #5: What's your internal buffer success, and what would you need to see to justify further development for that asset when we see the data next year?
Speaker #5: And then, just on the CRO, I think previously you'd talked about expanding into women's health. Could you give us an update on the progress there and development?
Rajan Sharma: Just on the CRO, I think previously you talked about expanding into women's health. Could you just give us an update on progress there and development? Just looking on your comments on slide 23, it does not look like women's health is contributing commercially this year. When should we start to expect some contribution? Thank you.
Speaker #5: Just looking at your comments on slide 23, it doesn't look like women's health is contributing commercially this year. When should we start to expect some contribution?
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Good. All clear. Thanks a lot, Rajan. So, let's start again with UCN2. Is there anything in addition that we can add on endpoints, and what could justify progression from the SAD part into the subsequent parts of the trial? We'll go to Thomas.
Adam Lange: Good. All clear. Thanks a lot, Rajan. Let us start again with UCN2. Anything in addition that we can add on endpoints and what could justify a progression from SAD part into the subsequent parts of the trial? We will go to Thomas.
Adam Lange: Good. All clear. Thanks a lot, Rajan. Let us start again with UCN2. Anything in addition that we can add on endpoints and what could justify a progression from SAD part into the subsequent parts of the trial? We will go to Thomas.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Rajan, we will generate data in this trial sequentially in the SAD trial. We expect results on safety, tolerability, and pharmacokinetics that will help us determine how and which dose levels to move forward with in the multiple ascending dose and in the multiple dose part of the trial.
Thomas Langenickel: Yeah. Rajan, we will generate data in this trial sequentially. In the SAD trial, we expect results of safety, tolerability, and pharmacokinetics that would help us to determine how and with which dose levels to move forward in the Multiple Ascending Dose in the multiple dose part of the trial. We will start off with generating this data set and then continue generating endpoints around early efficacy readouts in the subsequent parts of the trial. As I indicated earlier, these will be measurements around body composition that really helps us to understand how much fat loss and muscle gain we can generate with this mechanism of action, and whether that really translates into a functional muscle benefit, which would be important for us as a success criteria.
Thomas Langenickel: Yeah. Rajan, we will generate data in this trial sequentially. In the SAD trial, we expect results of safety, tolerability, and pharmacokinetics that would help us to determine how and with which dose levels to move forward in the Multiple Ascending Dose in the multiple dose part of the trial. We will start off with generating this data set and then continue generating endpoints around early efficacy readouts in the subsequent parts of the trial.
Speaker #4: So, we will start off with generating this data set and then continue generating endpoints around early efficiency readouts in the subsequent parts of the trial.
Speaker #4: And as I indicated earlier, these will be measurements around body composition that really help us to understand how much fat loss and muscle gain we can generate with this mechanism of action, and whether that really translates into a functional muscle benefit, which would be important for us as a success criterion.
Thomas Langenickel: As I indicated earlier, these will be measurements around body composition that really helps us to understand how much fat loss and muscle gain we can generate with this mechanism of action, and whether that really translates into a functional muscle benefit, which would be important for us as a success criteria.
Speaker #1: And then the second question on CRO and the nuanced therapeutic areas—women's health and sarcopenia. Is there any color we can add on contribution?
Adam Lange: The second question on CRO and the newer therapeutic areas, women's health and sarcopenia, any color we can add on contribution?
Adam Lange: The second question on CRO and the newer therapeutic areas, women's health and sarcopenia, any color we can add on contribution?
Speaker #6: So the question was really to revenue from the women's health area. And there's a huge unmet medical need in the women's health area.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: The question was really to revenue from the women's health area. There is a huge unmet medical need in the women's health area. As I said before, we always really strive to be ahead of the curve, in terms of developing our services and being ready for demand. Of course, women's health is an opportunistic bet on our side, but we really want to be ready when investment starts flowing into this area. There is an unmet need. We have the capabilities to succeed also due to our advanced both model capabilities and 2D and 3D imaging capabilities. So we are well-positioned in this space also with the metabolic background that we have. Of course, it does take some time sometimes to build this market.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: The question was really to revenue from the women's health area. There is a huge unmet medical need in the women's health area. As I said before, we always really strive to be ahead of the curve, in terms of developing our services and being ready for demand. Of course, women's health is an opportunistic bet on our side, but we really want to be ready when investment starts flowing into this area.
Speaker #6: And as I said before, we always really strive to be ahead of the curve in terms of developing our services and being ready for demand. And, of course, women’s health is an opportunistic bet on our side, but we really want to be ready when investment starts flowing into this area.
Speaker #6: There's an unmet need. We have the capabilities to succeed, also due to our advanced model capabilities and both 2D and 3D imaging capabilities.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: There is an unmet need. We have the capabilities to succeed also due to our advanced both model capabilities and 2D and 3D imaging capabilities. So we are well-positioned in this space also with the metabolic background that we have. Of course, it does take some time sometimes to build this market.
Speaker #6: So we will be positioned in this space also, with the metabolic background that we have. But of course, it does take some time, sometimes, to build this market.
Speaker #6: On the muscle platform and sarcopenia, we've seen actually a lot of traction already, and it's a service that we've just launched this year. In particular, from our internal customer at Gubra, we're seeing high demand, and also from external customers. So here, the trajectory is faster.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: On the muscle platform and sarcopenia, we have seen actually a lot of traction already, and it is a service that we have just launched this year. In particular from our internal customer, at Gubra, we have seen a high demand and also from external customers. So here the trajectory is faster. Thank you for the question.
Trine Nygaard Hamann: On the muscle platform and sarcopenia, we have seen actually a lot of traction already, and it is a service that we have just launched this year. In particular from our internal customer, at Gubra, we have seen a high demand and also from external customers. So here the trajectory is faster. Thank you for the question.
Speaker #6: So, but thank you for the question.
Speaker #1: Good. Thanks a lot, Trina. Thanks a lot, Thomas. And thank you for the question, Rajan. We are ready for the next set of questions.
Adam Lange: Good. Thanks a lot, Trine. Thanks a lot, Thomas, and thank you for the question, Rajan. We are ready for the next set of questions.
Adam Lange: Good. Thanks a lot, Trine. Thanks a lot, Thomas, and thank you for the question, Rajan. We are ready for the next set of questions.
Speaker #3: The next question comes from Suzanne Van Voorthuizen from Kempen. Please go ahead.
Operator 2: The next question comes from Susanne van Voorthuizen from Kempen. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Suzanne van Voorthuizen from Kempen. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hi, this is Romy on for Suzanne. Thanks for taking our question. Just another follow-up on UCN2. You highlight several potential indication expansion opportunities beyond obesity.
[Analyst] (Kempen): Hi, this is Romy on for Susanne. Thanks for taking our question. Just another follow-up on UCN2. You highlight several potential indication expansion opportunities beyond obesity. We are just wondering what specifically from the study next year will determine prioritizations next, and how soon can we expect this? Thank you.
[Analyst] (Kempen): Hi, this is Romy on for Suzanne. Thanks for taking our question. Just another follow-up on UCN2. You highlight several potential indication expansion opportunities beyond obesity. We are just wondering what specifically from the study next year will determine prioritizations next, and how soon can we expect this? Thank you.
Speaker #7: So, we're just wondering what specifically from the study next year will determine prioritizations next, and how soon can we expect this? Thank you.
Speaker #1: All right, I think that question goes to Thomas as well. Indication expansion opportunities?
Adam Lange: Right. I think that question goes to Thomas as well. Indication expansion opportunities.
Adam Lange: Right. I think that question goes to Thomas as well. Indication expansion opportunities.
Speaker #4: Yeah, Suzanne, maybe two thoughts related to that. Number one, we are continuing to work on our preclinical profiling plan, along with collecting the related cardiorenal endpoints in the ongoing clinical trial.
Thomas Langenickel: Yeah. Susanne, maybe two thoughts related to that. Number one, we are continuing to work on our preclinical profiling plan, along with collecting the related cardiorenal endpoints in the ongoing clinical trial. That, in conjunction, will really help us to determine in which direction we drive the further development of UCN2. We will be looking at cardiorenal endpoints also in the multiple dose part of the trial. That is a data set that will not be available at the beginning but at the end of the trial.
Thomas Langenickel: Yeah. Suzanne, maybe two thoughts related to that. Number one, we are continuing to work on our preclinical profiling plan, along with collecting the related cardiorenal endpoints in the ongoing clinical trial. That, in conjunction, will really help us to determine in which direction we drive the further development of UCN2. We will be looking at cardiorenal endpoints also in the multiple dose part of the trial. That is a data set that will not be available at the beginning but at the end of the trial.
Speaker #4: And that, in conjunction, will really help us to determine in which direction we drive the further development of UCN2. So, we will be looking at cardiorenal endpoints also in the multiple-dose part of the trial.
Speaker #4: That is a data set that will not be available at the beginning, but at the end of the trial.
Speaker #1: Thanks a lot, Thomas. Currently, we do not see any additional questions from the audio platform. We have one question in writing here, which relates to the potential ex-dividend date in 2026.
Adam Lange: Thanks a lot, Thomas. Currently, we do not see any additional questions from the audio platform. We have one question in writing here. That relates to potential ex-dividend date in 2026. I think the question is around whether we should expect a recurring dividend from Gubra. Perhaps CFO Christian can address that.
Adam Lange: Thanks a lot, Thomas. Currently, we do not see any additional questions from the audio platform. We have one question in writing here. That relates to potential ex-dividend date in 2026. I think the question is around whether we should expect a recurring dividend from Gubra. Perhaps CFO Kristian can address that.
Speaker #1: So I think the question is around whether we should expect the recurring dividend from Gubra. Perhaps the CFO, Christian, can address that.
Speaker #2: Yeah. We had a very pleasant situation last year, where we announced an extraordinary dividend, which is a bit unusual for a biotech company. So, remember, that was an extraordinary dividend on the back of the upfront payment for the M&A assets.
[Company Representative] (Gubra): Yeah. We had a very pleasant situation last year where we announced an extraordinary dividend, a bit unusual for a biotech company. Remember that was an extraordinary dividend on the back of the upfront payment for the amylin assets. We have not declared dividends for this year, so yes, effectively we do not pay out dividend in 2026. Going forward, we will announce whether there will be a dividend or not. Again, remember Gubra is a biotech company, and you should not expect recurring dividend each and every year.
Kristian Borbos: Yeah. We had a very pleasant situation last year where we announced an extraordinary dividend, a bit unusual for a biotech company. Remember that was an extraordinary dividend on the back of the upfront payment for the amylin assets. We have not declared dividends for this year, so yes, effectively we do not pay out dividend in 2026. Going forward, we will announce whether there will be a dividend or not. Again, remember Gubra is a biotech company, and you should not expect recurring dividend each and every year.
Speaker #2: And we have not declared a dividend for this year, so yes, effectively, we won't pay out a dividend in 2026. Going forward, we will announce whether there will be a dividend or not.
Speaker #2: Again, remember, Gubra is a biotech company, and you should not expect recurring dividends each and every year.
Speaker #1: I have a good. Thanks a lot, Christian, and thanks to everyone for attending and for the many questions. Thanks a lot. That concludes today's call.
Adam Lange: Very good. Thanks a lot, Christian. Thanks to everyone for attending and for the many questions. Thanks a lot. That concludes today's call. We look very much forward to connecting with many of you over the coming weeks and months, and have a great day.
Adam Lange: Very good. Thanks a lot, Kristian. Thanks to everyone for attending and for the many questions. Thanks a lot. That concludes today's call. We look very much forward to connecting with many of you over the coming weeks and months, and have a great day.
Speaker #1: Yeah, we look very much forward to connecting with many of you over the coming weeks and months. And have a great day.
Operator 2: The host has ended this call. Goodbye.
