Q2 2026 Carlyle Secured Lending Inc Earnings Call

August 7, 2026

Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Carlyle Secured Lending, Inc. Q2 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising you your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Nishil Mehta, Head of Shareholder Relations. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker #1: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Carlyle Secured Lending, Inc. Q2 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

Speaker #1: After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press *11 on your telephone.

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Speaker #1: I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Nishil Mehta, Head of Shareholder Relations. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Good morning, and welcome to the Carlyle Secured Lending Q2 2026 earnings call. I am joined by Alex Chi, CGBD's Chief Executive Officer, and Tom Hennigan, our President and Chief Financial Officer.

Nishil Mehta: Good morning. Welcome to Carlyle Secured Lending Q2 2026 earnings call. I am joined by Alex Chi, CGBD's Chief Executive Officer, and Tom Hennigan, our President and Chief Financial Officer. Last night, we filed our Form 10-Q and issued a press release with a presentation of our results, which are available on the investor relations section of our website. Following our remarks today, we will hold a question-and-answer session for analysts and institutional investors. This call is being webcast, and a replay will be available on our website.

Speaker #2: Last night, we filed our Form 10-Q and issued a press release, along with a presentation of our results. These are available on the investor relations section of our website.

Speaker #2: Following our remarks today, we will hold a question-and-answer session for analysts and institutional investors. This call is being webcast, and a replay will be available on our website.

Speaker #2: Today's earnings call may include forward-looking statements reflecting our views with respect to, among other things, our future operating results and financial performance. Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance.

Nishil Mehta: Today's earnings call may include forward-looking statements reflecting our views with respect to, among other things, our future operating results and financial performance. Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance, and undue reliance should not be placed on them. These statements are based on current management expectations, estimates, and projections, and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the Risk Factors and Cautionary Statement Regarding Forward-Looking Statements sections of our 10-K and 10-Qs.

Speaker #2: Undue reliance should not be placed on them. These statements are based on current management expectations, estimates, and projections and involve inherent risks and uncertainties.

Speaker #2: Including those identified in the risk factors and cautionary statement regarding forward-looking statements sections of our 10-K and 10-Qs. These risks and uncertainties could statements.

Nishil Mehta: These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in our forward-looking statements. CGBD assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at any time. During this call, the company may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G, such as adjusted net investment income or adjusted NII.

Speaker #2: CGBD assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at any time. During this call, the company may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC regulation G.

Speaker #2: Such as adjusted net investment income or adjusted NAI. The company's management believes adjusted net investment income adjusted net investment income per common share adjusted net income and adjusted net income per common share are useful to investors as additional tools to evaluate ongoing results and trends and to review our performance without giving effect to the amortization or accretion resulting from the new cost basis of the investments acquired and accounted for under the acquisition method of accounting in accordance with ASC 805 and the one-time purchase or non-recurring investment income and expense events.

Nishil Mehta: The company's management believes adjusted net investment income, adjusted net investment income per common share, adjusted net income, and adjusted net income per common share are useful to investors as additional tools to evaluate ongoing results and trends, and to review our performance without giving effect to the amortization or accretion resulting from the new cost basis of the investments acquired and accounted for under the acquisition method of accounting in accordance with ASC 805, and the one-time purchase or non-recurring investment income and expense events, including the effects on incentive fees, and are used by management to evaluate the economic earnings of the company.

Speaker #2: Including the effects on incentive fees, and are used by management to evaluate the economic earnings of the company. A reconciliation of GAAP net investment income per share, the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure to adjusted NAI per common share, can be found in the accompanying slide presentation for this call that is available on our website.

Nishil Mehta: A reconciliation of GAAP net investment income per share, the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure to adjusted NII per common share, can be found in the accompanying slide presentation for this call that is available on our website. In addition, a reconciliation of these measures may also be found in our earnings press release filed last night with the SEC on Form 8-K. With that, I'll turn the call over to Alex.

Speaker #2: In addition, a reconciliation of these measures may also be found in our earnings press release filed last night with the SEC on Form 8-K.

Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn the call over to Alex.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Nishil, and good morning. On today's call, I'll give an overview of our Q2 results, including the quarters investment activity and portfolio positioning, and provide an update on our investment outlook.

Alex Chi: Thanks, Nishil, and good morning. On today's call, I'll give an overview of our Q2 results, including the quarter's investment activity and portfolio positioning, and provide an update on our investment outlook. I'll then hand the call over to our President and CFO, Tom Hennigan. During the Q2, macroeconomic and geopolitical factors led to a complicated market backdrop for new deal activity. We continue to be very pleased with the strength of Carlyle Direct Lending's origination platform and the consistent credit performance of CGBD. In total, we closed $1.5 billion of new and incremental commitments at the platform level, and excluding joint venture activity, funded $248 million of investments at CGBD, reflecting a strong quarter of originations. Our platform originations were up over 20% versus the Q1, while platform selectivity continued to increase with a commitment rate on Q2 pipeline deals of less than 5%.

Speaker #3: I'll then hand the call over to our President and CFO, Tom Hennigan. During Q2, macroeconomic and geopolitical factors led to a complicated market backdrop when you deal with activity.

Speaker #3: However, we continue to be very pleased with the strength of Carlyle Direct Lending's origination platform and the consistent credit performance of CGBD. In total, we closed $1.5 billion of new and incremental commitments as a platform level, and excluding joint venture activity, funded $248 million of investments at CGBD.

Alex Chi: In total, we closed $1.5 billion of new and incremental commitments at the platform level, and excluding joint venture activity, funded $248 million of investments at CGBD, reflecting a strong quarter of originations. Our platform originations were up over 20% versus the Q1, while platform selectivity continued to increase with a commitment rate on Q2 pipeline deals of less than 5%. On our new originations, weighted average spreads held steady in line with Q1, while weighted average leverage on entry continued to decrease.

Speaker #3: Reflecting a strong quarter of originations, our platform originations were up over 20% versus the first quarter, while platform selectivity continued to increase, with a commitment rate on Q2 pipeline deals of less than 5%.

Speaker #3: On our new originations, weighted average spreads held steady weighted average leverage on entry continued to decrease. Our enhanced origination team continued to drive several wins in Carlyle played a lead role in nearly 90% of platform originations.

Alex Chi: On our new originations, weighted average spreads held steady in line with Q1, while weighted average leverage on entry continued to decrease. Our enhanced origination team continued to drive several wins, and Carlyle played a lead role in nearly 90% of platform originations. Repayments decreased in the quarter with $68 million of activity. Combined with $123 million in sales to our MMCF joint venture and $50 million of equity fundings at SCP, net investment activity drove total investments at CGBD to increase from $2.3 billion to $2.4 billion during the quarter. Moving to our investment funds, both of our JVs, MMCF and SCP, continue to scale and generate attractive returns to CGBD. Total investments at our MMCF joint venture increased to $1.2 billion, with the annualized dividend yield increasing by over 200 basis points to 17.6% in the quarter.

Alex Chi: Our enhanced origination team continued to drive several wins, and Carlyle played a lead role in nearly 90% of platform originations. Repayments decreased in the quarter with $68 million of activity. Combined with $123 million in sales to our MMCF joint venture and $50 million of equity fundings at SCP, net investment activity drove total investments at CGBD to increase from $2.3 billion to $2.4 billion during the quarter. Moving to our investment funds, both of our JVs, MMCF and SCP, continue to scale and generate attractive returns to CGBD. Total investments at our MMCF joint venture increased to $1.2 billion, with the annualized dividend yield increasing by over 200 basis points to 17.6% in the quarter.

Speaker #3: Prepayments decreased in the quarter, with $68 million of activity. Combined with $123 million in sales to our MMCF joint venture and $50 million of equity fundings at SCP, net investment activity drove total investments at CGBD to increase from $2.3 billion to $2.4 billion during the quarter.

Speaker #3: Moving to our investment funds, both of our JVs, MMCF and SCP, continue to scale and generate attractive returns to CGBD. Total investments at our MMCF joint venture increased to $1.2 billion with an annualized dividend yield increasing by over $200 basis points to $17.6% in the quarter.

Speaker #3: At SCP, the portfolio grew to $1.7 billion and produced an annualized dividend yield of $18.7% to CGBD. During the quarter, we generated $35 cents per share of net investment income on both a GAAP and adjusted basis.

Alex Chi: At SCP, the portfolio grew to $1.7 billion and produced an annualized dividend yield of 18.7% to CGBD. During the quarter, we generated $0.35 per share of net investment income on both a GAAP and adjusted basis. In line with our revised dividend policy, our board of directors declared a Q3 dividend of $0.35 per share, which is fully covered by net investment income in the quarter. Our net asset value as of 30 June was $15.61 per share, compared to $15.89 per share as of 31 March. Although the market remains focused on the software sector, we continue to see strong fundamental performance from the software borrowers in our book.

Speaker #3: In line with our revised dividend policy, our board of directors declared a third quarter dividend of $35 cents per share, which is fully covered by net investment income in the quarter.

Speaker #3: Our net asset value as of June 30th was $15.61 per share, compared to $15.89 per share as of March 31st. Although the market remains focused on the software sector, we continue to see strong fundamental performance from the software borrowers in our book.

Speaker #3: As I've mentioned in prior quarters, our underwriting approach to borrowers in the software space remains highly disciplined, and our platform's software track record is exemplary.

Alex Chi: As I've mentioned in prior quarters, our underwriting approach to borrowers in the software space remains highly disciplined, and our platform software track record is exemplary, with zero defaults on $7 billion in commitments to software deals over the last six years. Turning to portfolio construction, we remain focused on portfolio diversification while managing target leverage. As of 30 June, our portfolio grew to 177 companies across more than 25 industries. The average exposure to any single portfolio company was less than 60 basis points of total investments, and 95% of our investments were in senior secured loans. The median EBITDA across our portfolio was $101 million. As always, discipline and consistency drove performance in Q2, and we expect these tenets to drive performance in future quarters.

Speaker #3: With zero defaults on $7 billion in commitments to software deals over the last six years. Turning to portfolio construction, we remain focused on portfolio diversification while managing target leverage.

Speaker #3: As of June 30th, our portfolio grew to $177 companies across more than 25 industries. The average exposure to any single portfolio company was less than 60 basis points of total investments, and 95% of our investments were in senior secured loans.

Speaker #3: The median EBITDA across our portfolio was $101 million. As always, discipline and consistency drove performance in the Q2, and we expect these tenets to drive performance in future quarters.

Alex Chi: The median EBITDA across our portfolio was $101 million. As always, discipline and consistency drove performance in Q2, and we expect these tenets to drive performance in future quarters. Looking ahead, despite the complicated market backdrop mentioned earlier, we continue to expect strong activity in our market over the medium long term, and we're well-positioned with a revitalized origination platform to take advantage of increasing market activity and to continue taking share.

Speaker #3: Looking ahead, despite the complicated market backdrop mentioned earlier, we continue to expect strong activity in our market over the medium and long term. And we're well positioned with a revitalized origination platform to take advantage of increasing market activity and to continue taking share.

Alex Chi: Looking ahead, despite the complicated market backdrop mentioned earlier, we continue to expect strong activity in our market over the medium long term, and we're well-positioned with a revitalized origination platform to take advantage of increasing market activity and to continue taking share. Looking at our pipeline, a significant majority of deals continues to be in old economy sectors, including industrials, aerospace and defense, healthcare, and consumer products. As manager performance dispersion increases, we expect the breadth of the Carlyle platform and the consistency of our performance to differentiate us through our ability to leverage Carlyle's scale, scope of investment capabilities, and dedicated in-house investing, portfolio management, and restructuring resources. With that, I'll now hand the call over to our President and CFO, Tom Hennigan.

Speaker #3: Looking at our pipeline, a significant majority of deals continues to be in old economy sectors, including industrials, aerospace and defense, healthcare, and consumer products.

Alex Chi: Looking at our pipeline, a significant majority of deals continues to be in old economy sectors, including industrials, aerospace and defense, healthcare, and consumer products. As manager performance dispersion increases, we expect the breadth of the Carlyle platform and the consistency of our performance to differentiate us through our ability to leverage Carlyle's scale, scope of investment capabilities, and dedicated in-house investing, portfolio management, and restructuring resources. With that, I'll now hand the call over to our President and CFO, Tom Hennigan.

Speaker #3: As manager performance dispersion increases, we expect the breadth of the Carlyle platform and the consistency of our performance to differentiate us through our ability to leverage Carlyle's scale, scope of investment capabilities, and dedicated in-house investing, portfolio management, and restructuring resources.

Speaker #3: With that, I'll now hand the call over to our president and CFO, Tom Hennigan.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Alex. Today, I'll begin with an overview of our Q2 financial results. Then I'll discuss portfolio performance, before concluding with detail on our balance sheet positioning.

Thomas Hennigan: Thank you, Alex. Today, I'll begin with an overview of our Q2 financial results. I'll discuss portfolio performance before concluding with detail on our balance sheet positioning. Total investment income for Q2 was $62 million. Below prior quarter, primarily driven by a decline in interest income due to lower OID accretion from reduced repayment activity, as well as a decrease in fee income, partially offset by increased dividend income from both the MMCF and SCP JVs. Total expenses of $38 million also decreased versus prior quarter, primarily as a result of lower interest expense due to lower outstanding debt balance. The result was net investment income for Q2 of $24 million, or $0.35 per share, on both a GAAP basis and after adjusting for the impact of asset acquisition accounting.

Tom Hennigan: Thank you, Alex. Today, I'll begin with an overview of our Q2 financial results. I'll discuss portfolio performance before concluding with detail on our balance sheet positioning. Total investment income for Q2 was $62 million. Below prior quarter, primarily driven by a decline in interest income due to lower OID accretion from reduced repayment activity, as well as a decrease in fee income, partially offset by increased dividend income from both the MMCF and SCP JVs. Total expenses of $38 million also decreased versus prior quarter, primarily as a result of lower interest expense due to lower outstanding debt balance.

Speaker #4: Total investment income for the Q2 was $62 million. Below prior quarter, primarily driven by a decline in interest income due to lower OID accretion from reduced repayment activity, as well as a decrease in fee income.

Speaker #4: Partially offset by increased dividend income from both the MMCF and SCP JVs. Total expenses of $38 million also decreased versus prior quarter, primarily as a result of lower interest expense due to lower outstanding debt balance.

Speaker #4: The result was net investment income of $35 million, or $0.35 per share, on both a GAAP basis and after adjusting for the impact of asset acquisition accounting.

Tom Hennigan: The result was net investment income for Q2 of $24 million, or $0.35 per share, on both a GAAP basis and after adjusting for the impact of asset acquisition accounting. Achieving NII of $0.35 per share means we fully earned our new base dividends. Our board of directors declared the dividend for Q3 2026 at that $0.35 per share base dividend level, which is payable to stockholders of record as of the close of business on 30 September.

Speaker #4: Achieving NII of $35 cents per share means we fully earned our new base dividend. Our board of directors declared the dividend for the third quarter of 2026 at that $35 cents per share base dividend level.

Thomas Hennigan: Achieving NII of $0.35 per share means we fully earned our new base dividends. Our board of directors declared the dividend for Q3 2026 at that $0.35 per share base dividend level, which is payable to stockholders of record as of the close of business on 30 September. As a reminder, we're maintaining our existing supplemental dividend policy, which targets paying out at least 50% of excess earnings above the base dividend, allowing us to deliver additional value to shareholders as earnings grow. As mentioned on prior earnings calls, we still expect Q2 will be the near-term earnings trough. We not only expect to maintain full dividend coverage in future quarters, but we anticipate an increase in earnings and supplemental dividends as we ramp the portfolios and earnings of both JVs over the course of the next four to six quarters.

Speaker #4: Which is payable to stockholders of record as of the close of business on September 30th. As a reminder, we're maintaining our existing supplemental dividend policy, which targets paying out at least 50% of excess earnings above the base dividend.

Tom Hennigan: As a reminder, we're maintaining our existing supplemental dividend policy, which targets paying out at least 50% of excess earnings above the base dividend, allowing us to deliver additional value to shareholders as earnings grow. As mentioned on prior earnings calls, we still expect Q2 will be the near-term earnings trough. We not only expect to maintain full dividend coverage in future quarters, but we anticipate an increase in earnings and supplemental dividends as we ramp the portfolios and earnings of both JVs over the course of the next four to six quarters.

Speaker #4: Allowing us to deliver additional value to shareholders as earnings grow. As mentioned on prior earnings calls, we still expect this Q2 will be the near-term earnings trough.

Speaker #4: Which means we not only expect to maintain full dividend coverage in future quarters, but we anticipate an increase in earnings and supplemental dividends as we ramp the portfolios and earnings of both JVs over the course of the next four to six quarters.

Speaker #4: In addition, we currently estimate we have $73 cents per share of spillover income to support the quarterly dividend. To give it CGBD shares continued to trade at a compelling discount, we repurchased $12.5 million of shares at an average discount of $29% during the Q2.

Thomas Hennigan: In addition, we currently estimate we have $0.73 per share of spillover income to support the quarterly dividend. But given CGBD shares continued to trade at a compelling discount, we repurchased $12.5 million of shares at an average discount of 29% during the Q2, resulting in $0.07 of accretion to NAV per share. In total, repurchases since inception of the program now exceed $200 million. On valuations, our total aggregate realized and unrealized net loss for the quarter was about $24 million or $0.35 per share, partially driven by markdowns on a limited number of investments. To highlight a couple of the larger movers, on our investment in SPF Debt and Equity, we expect a successful exit later this year.

Tom Hennigan: In addition, we currently estimate we have $0.73 per share of spillover income to support the quarterly dividend. But given CGBD shares continued to trade at a compelling discount, we repurchased $12.5 million of shares at an average discount of 29% during the Q2, resulting in $0.07 of accretion to NAV per share. In total, repurchases since inception of the program now exceed $200 million. On valuations, our total aggregate realized and unrealized net loss for the quarter was about $24 million or $0.35 per share, partially driven by markdowns on a limited number of investments.

Speaker #4: Resulting in $0.07 of accretion to NAV per share. And total repurchases since inception of the program now exceed $200 million. On valuations, our total aggregate realized and unrealized net loss for the quarter was about $24 million, or $35 cents per share, partially driven by markdowns on a limited number of investments.

Speaker #4: To highlight a couple of the larger movers, on our investment in SPF debt and equity, we expect to successfully exit later this year. However, we did adjust the mark on our residual equity position down to align with updated expectations on total recovery to lenders, given higher than anticipated proceeds to management and doctors.

Tom Hennigan: To highlight a couple of the larger movers, on our investment in SPF Debt and Equity, we expect a successful exit later this year. However, we did adjust the mark on our residual equity position down to align with updated expectations on total recovery to lenders, given higher than anticipated proceeds to management and doctors. But overall, it remains a very positive story with an expected MOIC of 1.4x and highlights the impact of our dedicated workouts team.

Thomas Hennigan: However, we did adjust the mark on our residual equity position down to align with updated expectations on total recovery to lenders, given higher than anticipated proceeds to management and doctors. But overall, it remains a very positive story with an expected MOIC of 1.4x and highlights the impact of our dedicated workouts team. On US Infra, which is a provider of inspection, maintenance, and rehabilitation services for critical infrastructure, based on our expectation of lower earnings for fiscal year 2026, we lowered our valuation as of 30 June. Our workout team is closely working with the sponsor and management team to right size the capital structure and provide additional liquidity to support the business to best position the company for a recovery. Turning to credit performance, we continue to see overall stability and credit quality across the portfolio.

Speaker #4: But overall, it remains a very positive story with an expected MOAC of 1.4x and highlights the impact of our dedicated workouts team. On US infra, which is a provider of inspection, maintenance, and rehabilitation services for critical infrastructure, based on our expectation of lower earnings for fiscal year '26, we lowered our valuation as of 6/30.

Tom Hennigan: On US Infra, which is a provider of inspection, maintenance, and rehabilitation services for critical infrastructure, based on our expectation of lower earnings for fiscal year 2026, we lowered our valuation as of 30 June. Our workout team is closely working with the sponsor and management team to right size the capital structure and provide additional liquidity to support the business to best position the company for a recovery. Turning to credit performance, we continue to see overall stability and credit quality across the portfolio.

Speaker #4: Our workout team is closely working with the sponsor and management team to rightsize the capital structure and provide additional liquidity to support the business.

Speaker #4: This best positions the company for recovery. Turning to credit performance, we continue to see overall stability in credit quality across the portfolio. The fair value of loans utilizing PIC provisions decreased during Q2, and the majority of our PIC is underwritten at origination or for performing borrowers.

Thomas Hennigan: The fair value of loans utilizing PIK provisions decreased during the Q2, and the majority of our PIK is underwritten at origination or for performing borrowers and is what we would consider to be good PIK. Non-accruals continue to remain low as of 30 June and represent only 0.6% of investments at fair value and 1.2% at amortized cost. The restructuring of DCA closed the Q2, so that investment was placed back on accrual status while US Infra and Project Castle, also known as Material Handling Systems, were added to non-accrual status. Moving to the Middle Market Credit Fund, our longstanding JV. We continue to focus on maximizing both asset growth and returns.

Tom Hennigan: The fair value of loans utilizing PIK provisions decreased during the Q2, and the majority of our PIK is underwritten at origination or for performing borrowers and is what we would consider to be good PIK. Non-accruals continue to remain low as of 30 June and represent only 0.6% of investments at fair value and 1.2% at amortized cost. The restructuring of DCA closed the Q2, so that investment was placed back on accrual status while US Infra and Project Castle, also known as Material Handling Systems, were added to non-accrual status.

Speaker #4: And this is what we would consider to be good PIC. Non-accruals continue to remain low as of June 30th, and represent only 0.6% of investments at fair value and 1.2% at amortized cost.

Speaker #4: The restructuring of DCA closed in Q2, so that investment was placed back on accrual status, while US Infra and Project Castle, also known as Material Handling Systems, were added to non-accrual status.

Speaker #4: Moving to the middle market credit fund, our longstanding JV. We continue to focus on maximizing both asset growth and returns. During the Q2, we closed a $400 million upsize to our main credit facility, increasing total commitments to $1.2 billion and attractive spread of so far plus $170 basis points.

Tom Hennigan: Moving to the Middle Market Credit Fund, our longstanding JV. We continue to focus on maximizing both asset growth and returns. During the Q2, we closed a $400 million upsize to our main credit facility, increasing total commitments to $1.2 billion and attractive spread of SOFR plus 170 basis points. During the Q2, MMCF achieved a 17.6% dividend yield, an increase of over 200 basis points quarter-over-quarter, generating through $1.2 billion of in investments with no fees at the joint venture. The increases in both debt and equity commitments that closed earlier this year position us to continue asset growth and income generation at the JV.

Thomas Hennigan: During the Q2, we closed a $400 million upsize to our main credit facility, increasing total commitments to $1.2 billion and attractive spread of SOFR plus 170 basis points. During the Q2, MMCF achieved a 17.6% dividend yield, an increase of over 200 basis points quarter-over-quarter, generating through $1.2 billion of in investments with no fees at the joint venture. The increases in both debt and equity commitments that closed earlier this year position us to continue asset growth and income generation at the JV. In addition, our newer JV, Structured Credit Partners or SCP, ramps to $1.7 billion of investments and produced a dividend yield of 18.7%.

Speaker #4: During the Q2, MMCF achieved 17.6% dividend yield, an increase of over 200 basis points cold over quarter, January through 1.2 billion of investments with no fees at the joint venture.

Speaker #4: The increases in both debt and equity commitments that closed earlier this year positioned us to continue asset growth and income generation at the JV.

Speaker #4: In addition, our newer JV structured credit partners are SCP, ramped to 1.7 billion of investments, and produced a dividend yield of 18.7%. In April, we were able to capitalize on market volatility and accelerated the timelines to the first two CLOs to price and close.

Tom Hennigan: In addition, our newer JV, Structured Credit Partners or SCP, ramps to $1.7 billion of investments and produced a dividend yield of 18.7%. In April, we were able to capitalize on market volatility and accelerated the timeline for the first two CLOs to price and close, benefiting from lower loan prices and tight liability pricing. We expect SCP to price and close two additional CLOs in 2026, subject to market conditions, in line with our plan to ramp at a cadence of four CLO issuances per year to ensure vintage diversification.

Thomas Hennigan: In April, we were able to capitalize on market volatility and accelerated the timeline for the first two CLOs to price and close, benefiting from lower loan prices and tight liability pricing. We expect SCP to price and close two additional CLOs in 2026, subject to market conditions, in line with our plan to ramp at a cadence of four CLO issuances per year to ensure vintage diversification. Over time, the JV is expected to manage approximately $6 to 7 billion of assets fee-free at SCP. I'll finish by touching on our financing facilities and leverage. Our debt stack is 100% floating rate, matching our primarily floating rate assets, meaning CGBD is well-positioned in advance of any additional interest rate movement. At quarter end, statutory and net financial leverage were both 1.2 times.

Speaker #4: Benefiting from lower loan prices, and tight liability pricing. We expect SCP to price and close two additional CLOs in 2026, subject to market conditions.

Speaker #4: In line with our plan to ramp at a cadence of four CLO issuance per year, to ensure vintage diversification. And over time, the JV is expected to manage approximately six to seven billion dollars of assets fee-free at SCP.

Tom Hennigan: Over time, the JV is expected to manage approximately $6 to 7 billion of assets fee-free at SCP. I'll finish by touching on our financing facilities and leverage. Our debt stack is 100% floating rate, matching our primarily floating rate assets, meaning CGBD is well-positioned in advance of any additional interest rate movement. At quarter end, statutory and net financial leverage were both 1.2 times. Given our current strong liquidity profile, we believe we're well positioned to benefit from both more attractive terms for new investments and the expected pickup in deal volume in future quarters. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Alex.

Speaker #4: I'll finish by touching on our financing facilities and leverage. Our debt stack is 100% floating rate, matching our primarily floating rate assets. Meaning CGBD is well positioned in advance of any additional interest rate movement.

Speaker #4: At quarter end, both were 1.2 times. Given our current strong liquidity profile, we believe we are well positioned to benefit from both more attractive terms for new investments and the expected pickup in deal volume in future quarters.

Thomas Hennigan: Given our current strong liquidity profile, we believe we're well positioned to benefit from both more attractive terms for new investments and the expected pickup in deal volume in future quarters. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Alex.

Speaker #4: With that, I'll turn the call back over to Alex.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Tom. As we push the middle of the third quarter, our portfolio remains resilient and our strategy remains unchanged. We continue to focus on sourcing transactions with significant equity cushions, conservative leverage profiles, and attractive spreads relative to market levels.

Alex Chi: Thanks, Tom. As we approach the middle of Q3, our portfolio remains resilient and our strategy remains unchanged. We continue to focus on sourcing transactions with significant equity cushions, conservative leverage profiles, and attractive spreads relative to market levels, expect to take advantage of improved conditions in the market with a revitalized origination platform. Our pipeline of new originations is active with a stable, high-quality portfolio, CGBD stockholders are benefiting from the continued execution of our strategy. As always, we remain committed to delivering a resilient, stable cash flow stream to our investors through consistent income and solid credit performance. I'd like to now hand the call over to the operator to take your questions. Thank you.

Speaker #5: And expect to take advantage of improved conditions in the market with a revitalized origination platform. Our pipeline of a new originations is active, and with a stable, high-quality portfolio, CGBD stockholders are benefiting from the continued execution of our strategy.

Speaker #5: As always, we remain committed to delivering a resilient, stable cash flow stream to our investors, providing consistent income with solid credit performance. I'd like to now hand the call over to the operator to take your questions.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one-one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one-one again.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press *11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press *11 again. Please stand by while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question is going to come from the line of Richard Shane with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Please stand by while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question is going to come from the line of Rick Shane with JP Morgan.

Speaker #3: Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Hey guys, thanks for taking my question this morning. I'm really just curious—right now, as you sort of look at the deal market, we're starting to see underlying equity values improve in some sectors.

Richard Shane: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question this morning. Really just curious right now as you sort of look at the deal market, we're starting to see underlying equity values improve in some sectors, and at the same time, M&A activity remains pretty muted. I am curious sort of what you are seeing in terms of pricing and terms related to new transactions versus refinance transactions, and opportunities to rotate the portfolio.

Speaker #6: And at the same time, M&A activity remains pretty muted. I am curious sort of what you are seeing in terms of pricing and terms related to new transactions versus refinance transactions.

Speaker #6: And opportunities to rotate the portfolio.

Speaker #5: Sure. Thanks, Rick, for the question. It's Alex. As you can see from the results we were able to find some attractive new investments in the second quarter.

Alex Chi: Sure. Thanks, Rick, for the question. It's Alex. As you can see from the results, we were able to find some attractive new investments in Q2, and the pipeline for Q3 also continues to be pretty robust. Having said that, the overall landscape for M&A continues to be a bit muted. I think that's driven by the continued geopolitical uncertainty and also the macroeconomic uncertainty. I think once you see a clearer picture of what will happen there, I think that should unleash some more M&A activity that we'll all benefit from. Having said that, in terms of what the pipeline looks like, these are companies that are more shielded from what's happening out in the economy, clearly away from software.

Speaker #5: And the pipeline for the third quarter also continues to be pretty robust, having said that, the overall landscape for M&A continues to be a bit muted.

Speaker #5: And I think that's driven by the continued geopolitical uncertainty and also the macroeconomic uncertainty. I think once you see some clearer picture of what will happen there, I think that should unleash some more M&A activity that will all benefit from.

Speaker #5: Having said that, in terms of what the pipeline looks like, these are companies that are more shielded from what's happening out in the economy, clearly away from software.

Alex Chi: Having said that, in terms of what the pipeline looks like, these are companies that are more shielded from what's happening out in the economy, clearly away from software. Most of the deals that we're looking at and are in our pipeline are within industrials, aerospace and defense, healthcare, basic consumer products, et cetera. In terms of pricing, as you can see from our results, the weighted average spread that we saw really held steady from Q2, from Q1. We didn't really see much more spread widening.

Speaker #5: So most of the deals that we're looking at and are in our pipeline are within industrials, aerospace and defense, healthcare, basic consumer products, etc.

Alex Chi: Most of the deals that we're looking at and are in our pipeline are within industrials, aerospace and defense, healthcare, basic consumer products, et cetera. In terms of pricing, as you can see from our results, the weighted average spread that we saw really held steady from Q2, from Q1. We didn't really see much more spread widening. Having said that, it really depends on the sector. I think that if you see a very attractive industrial deal per se, then I think you'll see some competition, and that'll lead to a bit tighter pricing. Having said that, we've seen spreads hold in there, and the doc standards have also continued to improve. That's also one of the nice parts about just being in the middle market where you see just more consistent deal flow, and in terms holding steady.

Speaker #5: In terms of pricing, as you can see from our results, the way the average spread that we saw really held steady from the second quarter.

Speaker #5: From the first quarter, we didn't really see much more spread widening. Having said that, it really depends on the sector. I think that if you see a very attractive industrial deal per se, then I think you'll see some competition and that'll lead to a bit tighter pricing.

Alex Chi: Having said that, it really depends on the sector. I think that if you see a very attractive industrial deal per se, then I think you'll see some competition, and that'll lead to a bit tighter pricing. Having said that, we've seen spreads hold in there, and the doc standards have also continued to improve. That's also one of the nice parts about just being in the middle market where you see just more consistent deal flow, and in terms holding steady.

Speaker #5: But having said that, we've seen spreads hold in there and the doc standards have also continued to improve. That's also one of the nice parts about just being in the middle of the market where you see just more consistent deal flow in terms of holding steady.

Speaker #6: Yeah, no, it's an interesting observation in terms of spreads. And I think obviously base rates are a tailwind for the industry, but with rising non-accruals and a lot of portfolios, there's an offset.

Richard Shane: Yeah, no, it's an interesting observation in terms of spreads, and I think obviously base rates are a tailwind for the industry, but with rising non-accruals in a lot of portfolios, there's an offset. It does look like you guys picked up a little bit of yield. You actually were able to benefit efficiently from the pickup in base rates, it looks like.

Speaker #6: And you guys, it does look like you guys picked up a little bit of yield, you actually got were able to benefit efficiently from the pickup and base rates, it looks like.

Speaker #4: Yeah, I think we saw some modest benefit. And again, we also benefit from the fact that our non-accruals are quite low, so it allows us to be on offense with respect to deployment and just look for the best opportunities to invest in.

Alex Chi: Yeah, I think we saw some modest benefit, and again, we also benefit from the fact that our non-accruals are quite low. It allows us to be on offense with respect to deployment and just looking for the best opportunities to invest in. Just given where we've landed on that front, as well as our leverage, not only were we able to deploy into attractive opportunities, but we were also able to take advantage of the discount and also purchase some shares too.

Speaker #4: And just given where we landed on that front, as well as our leverage not only were able to deploy into attractive opportunities, but we were also able to take advantage of the discount and also purchase some shares too.

Speaker #6: Got it. Yeah, we saw that as well. Look, pretty straightforward quarter. We appreciate you guys taking our questions.

Richard Shane: Got it. Yeah, we saw that as well. Look, pretty straightforward quarter. We appreciate you guys taking our questions.

Speaker #4: Thank you very much.

Alex Chi: Thank you very much.

Speaker #3: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question will come from the line of Eric Swick with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question will come from the line of Erik Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Please go ahead.

Speaker #7: Hey guys, good morning. This is Justin for Eric. I just wanted to go back to yields a little bit. Obviously, it held steady from the first quarter.

[Analyst] (Lucid Capital Markets): Hey, guys. Good morning. This is Justin. I'm for Erik. Just wanted to go back to yields a little bit. Obviously it held steady from Q1. Can you talk about the spread environment thus far in H2, and how are you thinking about balancing capital deployment in terms of new loans versus share repurchases given the current discount to NAV?

Speaker #7: Can you talk about the spread environment thus far in the second half of the year and how are you thinking about balancing capital deployment in terms of new loans versus share repurchases given the current discount to NAV?

Speaker #5: Hey, good morning. Justin, thanks for the question. We continue to be active with repurchasing shares. But we're trying to find the right balance and continue to be active in deploying new capital.

Thomas Hennigan: Hey, morning, Justin. Thanks for the question. We continue to be active with repurchasing shares. We're trying to find the right balance and continue to be active in deploying new capital. Certainly where we've been focused, and you'll see, is we had increases in the yields at both JVs. We're certainly focused on depending on the spread for individual investments is continuing to deploy at the JV because that's very accretive for our investors. Likewise, we've been nicely ramping the SCP JV. We're trying to find the right balance between to be active on both the new deal front and on share repurchases.

Tom Hennigan: Hey, morning, Justin. Thanks for the question. We continue to be active with repurchasing shares. We're trying to find the right balance and continue to be active in deploying new capital. Certainly where we've been focused, and you'll see, is we had increases in the yields at both JVs. We're certainly focused on depending on the spread for individual investments is continuing to deploy at the JV because that's very accretive for our investors. Likewise, we've been nicely ramping the SCP JV. We're trying to find the right balance between to be active on both the new deal front and on share repurchases.

Speaker #5: Certainly, where we've been focused and you'll see is we had increases in the yields at both JVs. So we're certainly focused on depending on the spread for individual investments is continued to deploy at the JV because that's very accretive for investors.

Speaker #5: And likewise, we've been nicely ramping the SCP JV. So we're trying to find the right balance between to be active on both the new deal front and on share repurchases.

Speaker #7: Okay, thanks. And then, just to follow up on the other income line—I was curious about the quarter-over-quarter decline. Was that due to lower refinance amendment activity, or what drove that decrease?

[Analyst] (Lucid Capital Markets): Okay, thanks. Just follow up on the other income line. I was curious on the quarter-over-quarter decline. Was that due to lower refi and amendment activity, or what drove that decrease?

Speaker #5: Yes, it was. So last quarter, we had more outsized one-time income from repayment activity. One particular repayment had a large repayment fee, and so this quarter is really more normalized.

Thomas Hennigan: Yes, it was. Last quarter, we had more outsized one-time income from repayment activity. One particular repayment had a large repayment fee. This quarter really more normalized. Actually probably a lower level than normal. We had very limited other income this quarter. I'd say that last quarter was atypically high, and this quarter was actually lower than, let's say, our steady baseline.

Tom Hennigan: Yes, it was. Last quarter, we had more outsized one-time income from repayment activity. One particular repayment had a large repayment fee. This quarter really more normalized. Actually probably a lower level than normal. We had very limited other income this quarter. I'd say that last quarter was atypically high, and this quarter was actually lower than, let's say, our steady baseline.

Speaker #5: Actually, probably a lower level than normal because we had very limited other income this quarter. So, I'd say that last quarter was atypically high, and this quarter was actually lower than, let's say, our steady baseline.

Speaker #7: Okay. All right, great. Thanks for the call. I appreciate it.

[Analyst] (Lucid Capital Markets): Okay. All right, great. Thanks for the color there. I appreciate it.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Justin.

Alex Chi: Thanks, Justin.

Speaker #3: Thank you. And as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press *11. Our next question is going to come from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one one. Our next question is going to come from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #4: Good morning, everybody. On your comment, obviously, I mean, your macro geopolitical, etc., yeah, there's a lot going on out there. And the M&A environment still being a little muted.

Robert Dodd: Morning, everybody. On your comments, obviously your macro geopolitical, et cetera, yeah, there's a lot going on out there. The M&A environment still being a little muted. I mean, what would you say? A lot of other competitors have given a more, a pretty, I would say generally hopeful and optimistic view about the back end of this year. It sounds like that's not necessarily to say the M&A pipeline is building right now, but they're hopeful it will. How would you characterize your view, do we need flat out stability before you even get more optimistic about H2? Or how are you thinking about that?

Speaker #4: I mean, what would you say a lot of other competitors have given a more a pretty I would say generally hopeful and optimistic view about the back end of this year.

Speaker #4: It sounds like that's not necessarily to say the M&A pipeline is building right now, but they're hopeful it will. How would you characterize your view?

Robert Dodd: It sounds like that's not necessarily to say the M&A pipeline is building right now, but they're hopeful it will. How would you characterize your view, do we need flat out stability before you even get more optimistic about H2? Or how are you thinking about that?

Speaker #4: I mean, do we need flat-out stability before you even get more optimistic about the back half of the year, or how are you thinking about that?

Speaker #5: Hey, Robert, thanks a lot for the question. Definitely a lot going on right now. Look, I think with respect to just the M&A market, coming back in full force, I do think you need more clarity with respect to the inflationary picture.

Alex Chi: Hey, Robert. Thanks a lot for the question. Definitely a lot going on right now. Look, I think with respect to just the M&A market coming back in full force, I do think you need more clarity with respect to the inflationary picture, what's going to happen to rates. That is linked to what's happening out of the Middle East and all the derivatives and permutations from oil prices. If your business is linked whatsoever to those impacts, it's really difficult to forecast what the near to medium term is going to look like for your business, and that's just going to lead to an impact on valuation from buyers. Therefore, if you're a seller, unless you really have to generate proceeds, why not wait for another quarter or two before you put it into the market for a successful outcome?

Speaker #5: What's going to happen to rates? And that is linked to what's happening out of the Middle East and all the derivatives and permutations from oil prices.

Speaker #5: If your business is linked whatsoever to those impacts, it's really difficult to forecast what the near to medium term is going to look like for your business.

Speaker #5: And that's just going to lead to an impact on valuation from buyers. Therefore, if you're a seller, unless you really have to generate proceeds why not wait for another quarter or two before you put it into the market for a successful outcome?

Alex Chi: Therefore, if you're a seller, unless you really have to generate proceeds, why not wait for another quarter or two before you put it into the market for a successful outcome? At the same time, if you put it in the market right now and you don't achieve the outcome that you want, it's really hard to ignore the valuations that came through as part of the auction process. As a result, for those kinds of businesses, I do think you're going to have to wait until that comes, until likely later in the year or even early next year.

Speaker #5: At the same time, if you put it in the market right now and you don't achieve the outcome that you want, it's really hard to ignore the valuations that came through as part of the auction process.

Alex Chi: At the same time, if you put it in the market right now and you don't achieve the outcome that you want, it's really hard to ignore the valuations that came through as part of the auction process. As a result, for those kinds of businesses, I do think you're going to have to wait until that comes, until likely later in the year or even early next year. Having said that, there's still a healthy amount of flow that we're seeing with businesses where you can put a box around those risks or are not as impacted because they are recession-resistant or more non-cyclical. We're still seeing some healthy multiples for those kinds of businesses. I think that where we are, M&A is quite a seasonal type of dynamic. Right now, the top of the funnel has certainly expanded.

Speaker #5: So as a result, for those kinds of businesses, I do think you're going to have to wait until that comes, until likely later in the year or even early next year.

Speaker #5: Having said that, there's still a healthy amount of flow that we're seeing. Businesses where you can put a box around those risks are not as impacted, because they are recession-resistant or more non-cyclical.

Alex Chi: Having said that, there's still a healthy amount of flow that we're seeing with businesses where you can put a box around those risks or are not as impacted because they are recession-resistant or more non-cyclical. We're still seeing some healthy multiples for those kinds of businesses. I think that where we are, M&A is quite a seasonal type of dynamic. Right now, the top of the funnel has certainly expanded.

Speaker #5: And we're still seeing some healthy multiples for those kinds of businesses. I think where we are in M&A is quite a seasonal type of dynamic.

Speaker #5: And so right now, the top of the funnel has certainly expanded. And as these deals start to get signed up and the commitments come to fruition, it's going to still take another quarter or two in order to fund as part of the closing process.

Alex Chi: As these deals start to get signed up and the commitments come to fruition, it's going to still take another quarter or two in order to fund as part of the closing process. That's why I think that perhaps some of our peers are saying that they're a bit more optimistic about Q4 because at the top of the funnel, I think across the board, we are seeing a bit of an expansion for that. It really remains to be seen. I think as a result of all these forces, I think you just still have to be quite selective about what you invest in.

Speaker #5: So that's why I think that perhaps some of our peers are saying that there'll be more optimistic about the fourth quarter because the top of the funnel, I think across the board, we are seeing a bit of an expansion for that.

Speaker #5: But it really remains to be seen, and I think as a result of all these forces, you just still have to be quite selective about what you invest in.

Speaker #4: Got it, got it. Thank you for that, Caleb. Very helpful. I mean, if we look forward to 2026 for the credit partners, or if the SCP indicates plans to do another two CLOs this year—four a year is the plan, right?

Robert Dodd: Got it. Thank you for that color. Very helpful. If we look forward to the year 2026 for the credit partners or the SCP, you indicate plans to do another two CLOs this year. Four a year is the plan, right? If the market's much hotter in, say, 2027, would you be willing to change those plans? You articulated the plan is to diversify by vintage, and different vintages of collateral can be a good thing. We know that the 2021 was a big vintage, and we know what's going on with the 2021s. Is there anything that could get you to change that ramp-up schedule on the SCP? Do you just want to stick to four a year, no more, and the diversification just matters that much, even if the market gets hot?

Speaker #4: If the markets much hotter in, say, '27, would you be willing to change those plans? I mean, from articulated, the plan is to diversify by vintage and different vintages of mean, we know that the '21 was a big vintage and we know what's going on with the '21s.

Speaker #4: So, I mean, is there anything that could get you to change that ramp-up schedule on the SCP, or do you just want to stick to the four-year, no more?

Speaker #4: And the diversification just matters that much, even if the market gets hot?

Speaker #5: Yeah. Robert, I could tell you when we talk with Lawrence Lodge, my agent who runs our liquid business, she is laser focused on vintage diversification, something that when we started this program and idea, it's something we were very focused on.

Thomas Hennigan: Yeah. Robert, I can tell you, when we talk with Lauren Basmadjian, who runs our liquid business, she is laser-focused on vintage diversification. Something that when we started this program and idea, it's something we were very focused on. Not to say it's not something we consider, and we have conversations based on the market, but we're very focused on that vintage diversification. We anticipate it'll be that four CLO cadence. Could timing result in whether one year has three CLOs, one year has five CLOs? It's possible, but we're going to be focused on evenly deploying over the horizon.

Tom Hennigan: Yeah. Robert, I can tell you, when we talk with Lauren Basmadjian, who runs our liquid business, she is laser-focused on vintage diversification. Something that when we started this program and idea, it's something we were very focused on. Not to say it's not something we consider, and we have conversations based on the market, but we're very focused on that vintage diversification. We anticipate it'll be that four CLO cadence. Could timing result in whether one year has three CLOs, one year has five CLOs? It's possible, but we're going to be focused on evenly deploying over the horizon.

Speaker #5: And not to say we it's not something we consider and we have conversations based on the market, but we're very focused on the vintage diversification we anticipate it'll be that four CLO cadence.

Speaker #5: Could timing result in whether one year has three CLOs, and another year has five CLOs? It's possible. But we're going to be focused on evenly deploying over the horizon.

Speaker #4: Got it. I'm not going to disagree that vintage matters. So I appreciate all that. I mean, then just on one more. On the sectors that you find attractive right now, I mean, in this industrials, aerospace, I mean, and gigs, aerospace is a subset of industrials.

Robert Dodd: Got it. I'm not going to disagree that vintage matters. Appreciate all that. One more. On the sectors that you find attractive right now. In this industrials aerospace, and GXAerospace is a sub-sector within industrial. Any particular niches within? Obviously, I don't think you say industrials, I'm not thinking you meaning deep cyclical steel foundries or things like that. Could you now give us some insight into where you're looking specifically within those pretty broad categories?

Speaker #4: Any particular niches within I mean, obviously, I don't think you can say industrials. I'm not thinking you meaning deep cyclical steel foundries or things like that, right?

Speaker #4: So, could you now give us some kind of insight into where you're looking specifically within those pretty broad categories?

Speaker #5: You're absolutely right that we are going to stay away from the more cyclical OEM, new install type of industrial businesses. We are gravitating much more towards aftermarket repair, replacement, short repair maintenance type cycles.

Alex Chi: You're absolutely right that we are going to stay away from the more cyclical OEM new install type of industrial businesses. We are gravitating much more towards aftermarket repair, replacement, short repair maintenance type cycles. That's what we're really looking at, and you can apply that towards pretty many broad parts of the economy. I wouldn't say that we're just drilling down on a certain sub-sector within industrials. It's more of the overlay of the type of business model that we're looking at. At the same time, I think we are being a bit more careful within sectors that were supposed to be recession-resistant, such as, let's say, home services or residential services. That's a pretty popular area for private equity firms to invest in and buy and builds. As a result, direct lenders will take a look at those things. Those areas.

Speaker #5: So that's what really, really looking at. And you can apply that towards pretty many broad parts of the economy. So I wouldn't say that we're just drilling down on a certain subsector within industrials.

Speaker #5: It's more of the overlay of the type of business model that we're looking at. So we're at the same time, I think we are being a bit more careful within sectors that we're supposed to be recession resistant, such as, let's say, home services, residential services.

Alex Chi: At the same time, I think we are being a bit more careful within sectors that were supposed to be recession-resistant, such as, let's say, home services or residential services. That's a pretty popular area for private equity firms to invest in and buy and builds. As a result, direct lenders will take a look at those things. Those areas.

Speaker #5: That's a pretty popular area for private equity firms to invest in, as buying builds. As a result, direct lenders will take a look at those things.

Speaker #5: If you really if you look if you unpack those areas, we are starting to see a bit of top-line volume deceleration because I think people are feeling it in terms of what's happening in the economy.

Alex Chi: We are starting to see a bit of top-line volume deceleration because I think people are feeling it in terms of what's happening in the economy, and margins are starting to get a bit squeezed. I think that's a sector that, again, I think if you unpack this for portfolios of various private credit lenders, you're going to see a bunch of these platforms in there. I think given what's going on, we also just have to be more selective about areas to stay away from, too.

Speaker #5: And margins are just starting to get a bit squeezed. So I think that's a sector that, again, if you unpacked it for portfolios or various private credit lenders, you're going to see a bunch of these platforms in there.

Speaker #5: I think given what's going on, we also just have to be more selective about areas to stay away from too.

Speaker #4: Got it. Thank you.

Robert Dodd: Got it. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you. And I would now like to. I would now like to hand the conference back over to Alex Chief for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you.

Robert Dodd: Thanks, Carly.

Alex Chi: Thanks, Carly.

Operator: I would now like to hand the conference back over to Alex Chi for closing remarks.

Speaker #5: Great. Thanks, everyone, for joining the call. We appreciate your support. Please reach out if any further questions. And enjoy the rest of your summer.

Alex Chi: Great. Thanks, everyone, for joining the call. We appreciate your support. Please reach out with any further questions, and enjoy the rest of your summer.

Speaker #2: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day. Goodbye.

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