Q2 2026 Nerdwallet Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the NerdWallet Inc. Q2 2026 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to the very first speaker today, Zach Ogle. Zach, please go ahead.
Operator: Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the NerdWallet Inc. Q2 2026 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to the very first speaker today, Zach Ogle. Zach, please go ahead.
Speaker #1: would now like to hand the conference over today, Zach Ogle. Zach, please go ahead.
Zach Ogle: Thank you, operator. Welcome to the NerdWallet Q2 2026 earnings call. Joining us today are Co-founder and CEO, Tim Chen, and Chief Financial Officer, John Lee. Our press release and shareholder letter are available on our investor relations website. A replay of this update will also be available following the conclusion of today's call. We intend to use our investor relations website as a means of disclosing certain material information and complying with disclosure obligations under SEC Regulation FD from time to time. As a reminder, today's call is being webcast live and recorded. Before we begin today's remarks and question and answer session, I would like to remind you that certain statements made during this call may relate to future events and expectations, and as such, constitute forward-looking statements.
Zach Ogle: Thank you, operator. Welcome to the NerdWallet Q2 2026 earnings call. Joining us today are Co-founder and CEO, Tim Chen, and Chief Financial Officer, John Lee. Our press release and shareholder letter are available on our investor relations website. A replay of this update will also be available following the conclusion of today's call. We intend to use our investor relations website as a means of disclosing certain material information and complying with disclosure obligations under SEC Regulation FD from time to time. As a reminder, today's call is being webcast live and recorded. Before we begin today's remarks and question and answer session, I would like to remind you that certain statements made during this call may relate to future events and expectations, and as such, constitute forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: operator. Welcome to the NERDWALLET Q2, 2026 earnings call. Joining us today are co-founder and CEO, Tim Chen, and Chief Financial Officer, John Lee. Our press release and shareholder letter are available on our investor relations website and a replay of this update will also be available following the conclusion of today's call.
Speaker #2: We intend to use our investor relations website as a means of disclosing certain material information and complying with disclosure obligations under SEC regulation FD from time to time.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, today's call is being webcast live and recorded. Before we begin today's remarks and question-and-answer session, I would like to remind you that certain statements made during this call may relate to future events and expectations, and as such, constitute forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: Actual results and performance may differ from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements as a result of various risks and uncertainties, including the risk factors discussed in reports filed or to be filed with the SEC.
Zach Ogle: Actual results and performance may differ from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements as a result of various risks and uncertainties, including the risk factors discussed in reports filed or to be filed with the SEC. We urge you to consider these risk factors and remind you that we undertake no obligation to update the information provided on this call to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. You should be aware that these statements should not be considered a guarantee of future performance. Furthermore, during this call, we will present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today's earnings press release, except where we are unable, without unreasonable efforts, to calculate certain reconciling items with confidence. With that, I will now turn it over to Tim Chen, our Co-founder and CEO. Tim?
Zach Ogle: Actual results and performance may differ from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements as a result of various risks and uncertainties, including the risk factors discussed in reports filed or to be filed with the SEC. We urge you to consider these risk factors and remind you that we undertake no obligation to update the information provided on this call to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. You should be aware that these statements should not be considered a guarantee of future performance. Furthermore, during this call, we will present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today's earnings press release, except where we are unable, without unreasonable efforts, to calculate certain reconciling items with confidence. With that, I will now turn it over to Tim Chen, our Co-founder and CEO. Tim?
Speaker #2: We urge you to consider these risk factors and remind you that we undertake no obligation to update the information provided on this call to reflect subsequent events or circumstances.
Speaker #2: You should be aware that these statements should not be considered a guarantee of future performance. Furthermore, during this call, we will present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures.
Speaker #2: A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today's earnings press release, except where we are unable, without unreasonable efforts, to calculate certain reconciling items with confidence.
Speaker #2: With that, I will now turn it over to Tim Chen, our co-founder and CEO. Tim?
Speaker #3: Thanks, Zach. We reported revenue of $197 million for the second quarter, up 6% year-over-year. Non-GAAP operating income, or NGOI, of $12 million was above the midpoint of our guidance range.
Tim Chen: Thanks, Zach. We reported revenue of $197 million for Q2, up 6% year over year. Non-GAAP operating income or NGOI of $12 million was above the midpoint of our guidance range. We're in the middle of an AI transition that is changing how people get their answers to their money questions, making now an important time to check in on our long-term objectives. We are investing in building owned audiences by vertically integrating in some areas and by improving how we register and re-engage with users and others. While the story is still being written, we are confident because of the assets we have in place, a trusted brand, a large audience, healthy financials, and a strong team on an important mission.
Tim Chen: Thanks, Zach. We reported revenue of $197 million for Q2, up 6% year-over-year. Non-GAAP operating income or NGOI of $12 million was above the midpoint of our guidance range. We're in the middle of an AI transition that is changing how people get their answers to their money questions, making now an important time to check in on our long-term objectives. We are investing in building owned audiences by vertically integrating in some areas and by improving how we register and re-engage with users and others. While the story is still being written, we are confident because of the assets we have in place, a trusted brand, a large audience, healthy financials, and a strong team on an important mission.
Speaker #3: We're in the middle of an AI transition that is changing how people get their answers to their money questions, making now an important time to check in on our long-term objectives.
Speaker #3: We are investing in building owned audiences by vertically integrating in some areas, and by improving how we register and re-engage with users and others.
Speaker #3: While the story is still being written, we are confident because of the assets we have in place. A trusted brand, a large audience, healthy financials, and a strong team on an important mission.
Speaker #3: The success we are seeing in vertical integration plays across our brokering and advisory business lines, is giving us conviction to start investing incremental marketing dollars based on internal rate of return or IRR targets, rather than solely on in-quarter profitability.
Tim Chen: The success we are seeing in vertical integration plays across our brokering and advisory business lines is giving us conviction to start investing incremental marketing dollars based on internal rate of return or IRR targets, rather than solely on in-quarter profitability. For the full year 2026, we expect to grow this incremental investment fivefold versus 2025. Despite the longer payback periods associated with these investments, the recurring nature of the relationships produce highly attractive IRRs. We continue to optimize for positive in-quarter profitability for most of our business lines, but in the future, we envision extending these IRR-based investments more broadly across our business. In our more traditional marketplace business, we continue to deliver more relevant and personalized offers to consumers while helping financial institutions meet their growth objectives. We are making it easier for consumers to find the financial products that best meet their needs.
Tim Chen: The success we are seeing in vertical integration plays across our brokering and advisory business lines is giving us conviction to start investing incremental marketing dollars based on internal rate of return or IRR targets, rather than solely on in-quarter profitability. For the full year 2026, we expect to grow this incremental investment fivefold versus 2025. Despite the longer payback periods associated with these investments, the recurring nature of the relationships produce highly attractive IRRs. We continue to optimize for positive in-quarter profitability for most of our business lines, but in the future, we envision extending these IRR-based investments more broadly across our business. In our more traditional marketplace business, we continue to deliver more relevant and personalized offers to consumers while helping financial institutions meet their growth objectives. We are making it easier for consumers to find the financial products that best meet their needs.
Speaker #3: For the full year 2026, we expect to grow this incremental investment fivefold versus 2025. Despite the longer payback periods associated with these investments, the recurring nature of the relationships produces highly attractive IRRs.
Speaker #3: We continue to optimize for positive in-quarter profitability for most of our business lines, but in the future, we envision extending these IRR-based investments more broadly across our business.
Speaker #3: In our more traditional marketplace business, we continue to deliver more relevant and personalized offers to consumers, while helping financial institutions meet their growth objectives.
Speaker #3: We are making it easier for consumers to find the financial products that best meet their needs. Product improvements unlocked significant volume growth in recent quarters, helping to drive the $12 million year-over-year increase in personal loans revenue delivered in the second quarter.
Tim Chen: Product improvements unlocked significant volume growth in recent quarters, helping to drive the $12 million year-over-year increase in personal loans revenue delivered in the Q2. Our relentless focus on efficiency is allowing us to stay nimble in this environment and to continue delivering solid profitability. We also continue to generate strong free cash flow, enabling us to fund investments in our owned audience strategy while maintaining a strong balance sheet. Now I will pass it over to John to cover our financial results in more detail.
Tim Chen: Product improvements unlocked significant volume growth in recent quarters, helping to drive the $12 million year-over-year increase in personal loans revenue delivered in the Q2. Our relentless focus on efficiency is allowing us to stay nimble in this environment and to continue delivering solid profitability. We also continue to generate strong free cash flow, enabling us to fund investments in our owned audience strategy while maintaining a strong balance sheet. Now I will pass it over to John to cover our financial results in more detail.
Speaker #3: Our relentless focus on efficiency is allowing us to stay nimble in this environment and to continue delivering solid profitability. We also continue to generate strong free cash flow, enabling us to fund investments in our owned audience strategy while maintaining a strong balance sheet. And now, I will pass it over to John to cover our financial results in more detail.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Tim. As Tim mentioned, total revenue in Q2 was $197 million, up 6% year-over-year. Consumer revenue was $175 million, up 8% year-over-year, driven by personal loans and deposit accounts, as consumer demand remained strong and financial institutions expanded budgets.
John Lee: Thanks, Tim. As Tim mentioned, total revenue in Q2 was $197 million, up 6% year over year. Consumer revenue was $175 million, up 8% year over year, driven by personal loans and deposit accounts as consumer demand remained strong and financial institutions expanded budgets. This was partially offset by a decline in consumer credit cards, primarily due to continued organic search headwinds. Our largest auto insurance carrier relationship has stabilized, but not yet returned to levels seen earlier in the year. As we continue to explore ways to grow with that carrier, we remain focused on scaling with other leading auto insurance carriers and expanding our in-house insurance agency, an example of our growth in owned audiences. SMB revenue was $22 million, down 11% year over year, driven primarily by organic search revenue declines in SMB products, partially offset by revenue growth in business loan originations. Moving to profitability.
John Lee: Thanks, Tim. As Tim mentioned, total revenue in Q2 was $197 million, up 6% year-over-year. Consumer revenue was $175 million, up 8% year-over-year, driven by personal loans and deposit accounts as consumer demand remained strong and financial institutions expanded budgets. This was partially offset by a decline in consumer credit cards, primarily due to continued organic search headwinds. Our largest auto insurance carrier relationship has stabilized, but not yet returned to levels seen earlier in the year. As we continue to explore ways to grow with that carrier, we remain focused on scaling with other leading auto insurance carriers and expanding our in-house insurance agency, an example of our growth in owned audiences. SMB revenue was $22 million, down 11% year-over-year, driven primarily by organic search revenue declines in SMB products, partially offset by revenue growth in business loan originations. Moving to profitability.
Speaker #2: This was partially offset by a decline in consumer credit cards, primarily due to continued organic search headwinds. Our largest auto insurance carrier relationship has stabilized, but not yet returned to level seen earlier in the year.
Speaker #2: As we continue to explore ways to grow with that carrier, we remain focused on scaling with other leading auto insurance carriers and expanding our in-house insurance agency, an example of our growth in owned audiences.
Speaker #2: SMB revenue was $22 million, down 11% year-over-year, driven primarily by organic search revenue declines in SMB products, partially offset by revenue growth in business loan originations.
Speaker #2: Moving to profitability, Q2 GAAP operating income was $7 million, and NGOI was $12 million at a 6% margin, above the midpoint of our guidance range of 6% to 14 million.
John Lee: Q2 GAAP operating income was $7 million and NGOI was $12 million at a 6% margin above the midpoint of our guidance range of $6 to $14 million. Q2 adjusted EBITDA was $23 million, in line with our guidance range of $19 to $27 million. Turning to cash flow and capital allocation. Our trailing 12-month adjusted free cash flow grew 100% year over year to $141 million, a new record. As a reminder, we were not a cash payer of federal corporate taxes during this period and received $9 million of tax refunds. We do not expect to be a federal corporate taxpayer in 2026, but expect to return to normalized corporate taxes in Q2 or Q3 of 2027. During the quarter, we repurchased $23 million of Class A common stock, bringing our repurchases over the past 12 months to $160 million.
John Lee: Q2 GAAP operating income was $7 million and NGOI was $12 million at a 6% margin above the midpoint of our guidance range of $6 to $14 million. Q2 adjusted EBITDA was $23 million, in line with our guidance range of $19 to $27 million. Turning to cash flow and capital allocation. Our trailing 12-month adjusted free cash flow grew 100% year-over-year to $141 million, a new record. As a reminder, we were not a cash payer of federal corporate taxes during this period and received $9 million of tax refunds. We do not expect to be a federal corporate taxpayer in 2026, but expect to return to normalized corporate taxes in Q2 or Q3 of 2027. During the quarter, we repurchased $23 million of Class A common stock, bringing our repurchases over the past 12 months to $160 million.
Speaker #2: Q2 adjusted EBITDA was $23 million, in line with our guidance range of 19% to 27 million. Turning to cash flow and capital allocation, our trailing 12-month adjusted free cash flow grew 100% year-over-year to $141 million on new record.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, we were not a cash payer of federal corporate taxes during this period and received $9 million of tax refunds. We do not expect to be a federal corporate taxpayer in 2026, but expect to return to normalized corporate taxes in Q2 or Q3 of 2027.
Speaker #2: During the quarter, we repurchased $23 million of class A common stock, bringing our repurchases over the last over the past 12 months to $160 million.
Speaker #2: Our Q2 weighted average diluted share count was down 14% year-over-year due to our share repurchase activity. As of June 30th, we had $62 million of cash and cash equivalents, up from $56 million at the end of Q1, with $67 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization.
John Lee: Our Q2 weighted average diluted share count was down 14% year over year due to our share repurchase activity. As of 30 June, we had $62 million of cash and cash equivalents, up from $56 million at the end of Q1, with $67 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization. Turning to guidance. We expect to deliver Q3 revenue in the range of $244 to $260 million, up 17% year over year at the midpoint. In terms of profitability, we expect non-GAAP operating income in the range of $29 to $37 million. Our Q3 guidance reflects typical seasonality in our business as well as expected tailwinds from regulatory changes in student loans and the impact of our College Finance acquisition in February. As a result, we expect our annual profitability to be more concentrated in Q3 this year than in prior years.
John Lee: Our Q2 weighted average diluted share count was down 14% year-over-year due to our share repurchase activity. As of 30 June, we had $62 million of cash and cash equivalents, up from $56 million at the end of Q1, with $67 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization. Turning to guidance. We expect to deliver Q3 revenue in the range of $244 to $260 million, up 17% year-over-year at the midpoint. In terms of profitability, we expect non-GAAP operating income in the range of $29 to $37 million. Our Q3 guidance reflects typical seasonality in our business as well as expected tailwinds from regulatory changes in student loans and the impact of our College Finance acquisition in February. As a result, we expect our annual profitability to be more concentrated in Q3 this year than in prior years.
Speaker #2: Turning to guidance, we expect to deliver third-quarter revenue in the range of $244 to $260 million, up 17% year-over-year at the midpoint. In terms of profitability, we expect non-GAAP operating income in the range of $29 to $37 million.
Speaker #2: Our Q3 guidance reflects typical seasonality in our business, as well as expected tailwinds from regulatory changes and student loans and the impact of our college finance acquisition in February.
Speaker #2: As a result, we expect our annual profitability to be more concentrated in the third quarter of this year, than in prior years. For the full year, we're narrowing our NGOI expectation to a range of 90 to 105 million.
John Lee: For the full year, we are narrowing our NGOI expectation to a range of $90 to $105 million, maintaining the midpoint of our previous guidance. This guidance includes $15 to $20 million NGOI impact from customer acquisition spend with payback periods beyond the current year. At the midpoint, this spend implies an approximately five times increase year over year.
John Lee: For the full year, we are narrowing our NGOI expectation to a range of $90 to $105 million, maintaining the midpoint of our previous guidance. This guidance includes $15 to $20 million NGOI impact from customer acquisition spend with payback periods beyond the current year. At the midpoint, this spend implies an approximately five times increase year-over-year.
Speaker #2: Maintaining the midpoint of our previous guidance. This guidance includes 15 to 20 million NGOI impact from customer acquisition spend, with payback periods beyond the current year.
Speaker #2: At the midpoint, this spend implies an approximately five-times increase year-over-year. We expect to continue generating meaningful adjusted free cash flow moving forward. From a capital allocation perspective, we'll continue to weigh organic investments in growth opportunities and share repurchases against one another to maximize long-term shareholder value.
John Lee: We expect to continue generating meaningful adjusted free cash flow going forward. From a capital allocation perspective, we'll continue to weigh organic investments in organic growth opportunities and share repurchases against one another to maximize long-term shareholder value. With that, we'll open up for Q&A.
John Lee: We expect to continue generating meaningful adjusted free cash flow going forward. From a capital allocation perspective, we'll continue to weigh organic investments in organic growth opportunities and share repurchases against one another to maximize long-term shareholder value. With that, we'll open up for Q&A.
Speaker #2: With that, we'll open up for Q&A.
Speaker #1: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press *11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.
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Speaker #1: Ralph, your line is now open.
Speaker #2: Great. Thanks for taking the question. In the script you talked about stepping up the investment, I think fivefold versus last year with longer payback duration.
Ralph Schackart: Great. Thanks for taking the question. In the script, you talked about stepping up the investment, I think fivefold versus last year with longer payback duration. Just what's given you the confidence this investment's sort of the right time at this particular scale? Maybe if you could provide some color on the new payback duration. I wasn't sure if you said more than one year also in the prepared remarks, any color, how you're thinking about the payback as well. Thank you.
Ralph Schackart: Great. Thanks for taking the question. In the script, you talked about stepping up the investment, I think fivefold versus last year with longer payback duration. Just what's given you the confidence this investment's sort of the right time at this particular scale? Maybe if you could provide some color on the new payback duration. I wasn't sure if you said more than one year also in the prepared remarks, any color, how you're thinking about the payback as well. Thank you.
Speaker #2: I guess, what's giving you the confidence this investment is the right time? You know, at this particular scale, and then maybe if you could provide some color on the new payback duration.
Speaker #2: I wasn't sure if you said more than one year. Also, in the prepared remarks, but any color you know, how you're thinking about the payback as well.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Yeah, I'm happy to take that. So with the investments we made in vertical integration, we're beginning to see cohorts of our consumers with high retention and recurring revenue.
Tim Chen: Yeah, I'm happy to take that. With the investments we made in vertical integration, we're beginning to see cohorts of our consumers with high retention and recurring revenue. Tailoring our marketing spend to the stickier audiences on the basis of IRR is a natural extension of our progression here. We're still keeping a very high bar and tracking cohort performances in detail. To us, it's really ultimately an LTV to CAC optimization over a longer period of time while using IRR and payback period as guardrails. From an IRR target perspective is really a capital allocation question for us. We know what our free cash flow yields are today. We have a pretty good sense of what our M&A opportunities are, and these internal IRR investments need to stack well against those opportunities for to have capital allocated against it.
John Lee: Yeah, I'm happy to take that. With the investments we made in vertical integration, we're beginning to see cohorts of our consumers with high retention and recurring revenue. Tailoring our marketing spend to the stickier audiences on the basis of IRR is a natural extension of our progression here. We're still keeping a very high bar and tracking cohort performances in detail. To us, it's really ultimately an LTV to CAC optimization over a longer period of time while using IRR and payback period as guardrails. From an IRR target perspective is really a capital allocation question for us. We know what our free cash flow yields are today. We have a pretty good sense of what our M&A opportunities are, and these internal IRR investments need to stack well against those opportunities for to have capital allocated against it.
Speaker #3: So, tailoring our marketing spend to the stickier audiences on the basis of IRR is a natural extension of our progression here. But we're still keeping a very high bar and tracking cohort performances in detail.
Speaker #3: And to us, it's really ultimately an LTV to CAC optimization over a longer period of time, while using IRR and payback period as guardrails.
Speaker #3: And from an IRR target perspective, it's really a capital allocation question for us. We know what our free cash flow yields are today, we have a pretty good sense of what our M&A opportunities are, and these internal IRR investments need to stack well against those opportunities for it to have capital allocated against it.
Speaker #2: Okay, and then just another question—just switching gears, maybe to the LLM traffic and some of the SEO headwinds that you called out. Maybe just some perspective on, you know, just another quarter with the LLM models.
Ralph Schackart: Okay, just another question. Just switching gears maybe to the LLM traffic and some of the SEO headwinds that you called out. Maybe just some perspective on just another quarter with the LLM models. How is that traffic converting? Are you guys finding new workarounds? Just any color you can add there as well. Great. Thank you.
Ralph Schackart: Okay, just another question. Just switching gears maybe to the LLM traffic and some of the SEO headwinds that you called out. Maybe just some perspective on just another quarter with the LLM models. How is that traffic converting? Are you guys finding new workarounds? Just any color you can add there as well. Great. Thank you.
Speaker #2: How is that traffic converting? You know, are you guys finding new workarounds? Just, you know, any color you can add there as well? Great.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Yeah, so this is Tim. The traffic is converting well. I mean, I think intent is extremely high when someone is coming through an LLM in terms of wanting to transact.
Tim Chen: Yeah. This is Tim. The traffic is converting well. I think intent is extremely high when someone is coming through an LLM in terms of wanting to transact in a marketplace. It continues to be a pretty small part of our business today, it's definitely an area of investment and growth for us.
Tim Chen: Yeah. This is Tim. The traffic is converting well. I think intent is extremely high when someone is coming through an LLM in terms of wanting to transact in a marketplace. It continues to be a pretty small part of our business today, it's definitely an area of investment and growth for us.
Speaker #3: In a marketplace, it continues to be a pretty small part of our business today, but it's definitely an area of investment and growth for us.
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Speaker #4: Yeah, hi guys. Thanks for taking my question. Tim, I just get your thoughts on just the importance of distribution, and the future with everything going on from an AI perspective.
Michael Infante: Yeah. Hi guys. Thanks for taking my question. Tim, can I just get your thoughts on just the importance of distribution in the future with everything going on from an AI perspective. How much of that value do you think ultimately accrues to NerdWallet versus the platforms? Anything you can share in terms of some of the underlying CAC trends that sort of gives you the confidence that you can continue to capture that over time.
Michael Infante: Yeah. Hi guys. Thanks for taking my question. Tim, can I just get your thoughts on just the importance of distribution in the future with everything going on from an AI perspective. How much of that value do you think ultimately accrues to NerdWallet versus the platforms? Anything you can share in terms of some of the underlying CAC trends that sort of gives you the confidence that you can continue to capture that over time.
Speaker #4: Like, how much of that value do you think ultimately accrues to NERDWALL versus the platforms? And anything you can share in terms of, you know, some of the underlying CAC trends that sort of gives you the confidence that you can continue to capture that over time?
Speaker #3: I think, I think Brandon reached our just an incredible asset. I mean, I think distribution is so important. In this future state of the world, a lot is left to be determined.
Tim Chen: I think brand and reach are just an incredible asset. I think distribution is so important in this future state of the world. A lot is left to be determined. Obviously, the story is being written. We've already entered a phase where you've got billions of weekly active users across major LLMs. Mass adoption is already taking place, right? I think a lot of the impact that we've already seen in terms of our educational content being affected the last three years has played out. I think we're starting to see what the future looks like. The importance of that trusted brand when you're talking about offering marketplaces and high stakes financial guidance is really front and center, and I just think we're really well-positioned there. That does translate into CAC. Brands with higher trust are going to have advantages there.
Tim Chen: I think brand and reach are just an incredible asset. I think distribution is so important in this future state of the world. A lot is left to be determined. Obviously, the story is being written. We've already entered a phase where you've got billions of weekly active users across major LLMs. Mass adoption is already taking place, right? I think a lot of the impact that we've already seen in terms of our educational content being affected the last three years has played out. I think we're starting to see what the future looks like. The importance of that trusted brand when you're talking about offering marketplaces and high stakes financial guidance is really front and center, and I just think we're really well-positioned there. That does translate into CAC. Brands with higher trust are going to have advantages there.
Speaker #3: Obviously, the story is being written but, you know, we've already entered a phase where you've got billions of weekly active users. Across major LLMs, mass adoption is already taking place, right?
Speaker #3: And so I think a lot of the impact that we've already seen in terms of our educational content being affected the last three years, has played out.
Speaker #3: I think we're starting to see what the future looks like. The importance of that trusted brand, when you're talking about offering marketplaces and high-stakes financial guidance, is really front and center.
Speaker #3: And I just think we're really well positioned there. And then that trend does translate into CAC. You know, brands with higher trust are going to have advantages there.
Speaker #3: And so that's where our vertical integration strategy is really banking on. We think our distribution and our trust are going to give us a leg up there.
Tim Chen: That's where our vertical integration strategy is really banking on. We think our distribution and our trust are going to give us a leg up there.
Tim Chen: That's where our vertical integration strategy is really banking on. We think our distribution and our trust are going to give us a leg up there.
Speaker #4: That's helpful. And then maybe just on, you know, just the SMB business and the quarter sort of down 11, those structural search headwinds sort of continuing.
Michael Infante: That's helpful. Maybe just on the SMB business and the quarter sort of down 11, those structural search headwinds sort of continuing. How should we be thinking about the path to recovery there? And/or if this is a business you ultimately want to continue to own and lean into incrementally relative to just investing more into the consumer vertical integration. Thanks, guys.
Michael Infante: That's helpful. Maybe just on the SMB business and the quarter sort of down 11, those structural search headwinds sort of continuing. How should we be thinking about the path to recovery there? And/or if this is a business you ultimately want to continue to own and lean into incrementally relative to just investing more into the consumer vertical integration. Thanks, guys.
Speaker #4: Like, how should we be thinking about the path to recovery there? And/or, like, if this is a business you ultimately want to continue to own and lean into incrementally relative to just investing more into the consumer vertical integration.
Speaker #4: Thanks, guys.
Speaker #3: I think about SMB as having two distinct parts. Part of it is the loan business, so that's more of a loan brokering operation with a highly, highly considered purchase on behalf of the small business owner.
Tim Chen: I think about SMB as having two distinct parts. Part of it is the loan business, so that's more of a loan brokering operation with a highly considered purchase on behalf of the small business owner. The other piece of the SMB business is more of our traditional business. We're recommending things like everything from credit cards to bank accounts to software. Where we're really seeing headwinds year over year is on the non-loans part of the business, and loans is growing year over year. The loans business does have this dynamic of an owned audience that does come back to us over and over again over a number of years. That's the part of the business that we continue to invest on from a brokering efficiency standpoint.
Tim Chen: I think about SMB as having two distinct parts. Part of it is the loan business, so that's more of a loan brokering operation with a highly considered purchase on behalf of the small business owner. The other piece of the SMB business is more of our traditional business. We're recommending things like everything from credit cards to bank accounts to software. Where we're really seeing headwinds year-over-year is on the non-loans part of the business, and loans is growing year-over-year. The loans business does have this dynamic of an owned audience that does come back to us over and over again over a number of years. That's the part of the business that we continue to invest on from a brokering efficiency standpoint.
Speaker #3: And then the other piece of the SMB business is more of our traditional business. I mean, we're recommending things like everything from credit cards, to bank accounts, to software.
Speaker #3: So where we're really seeing headwinds year over year is on the non-loans part of the business. And loans is, you know, growing year over year.
Speaker #3: The loans business does have this dynamic of, you know, in owned audience that does come back to us over and over again over a number of years.
Speaker #3: So that's the part of the business that we continue to invest on from a, you know, a brokering efficiency standpoint. And then in terms of the rest of that business, we really think about expanding our channels and improving our CRM.
Tim Chen: In terms of the rest of that business, we really think about expanding our channels and improving our CRM. We're investing in both.
Tim Chen: In terms of the rest of that business, we really think about expanding our channels and improving our CRM. We're investing in both.
Speaker #3: So we're investing in both.
Speaker #1: I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to management for closing remarks.
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Speaker #2: Thanks everyone for your questions today. Looking ahead, we're going to remain focused on building owned audiences through vertical integration, registrations, and data-driven engagement. And with the assets and people we have in place, we're confident that NERDWALLET will emerge from the AI transition as the most trusted consumer finance brand and the place people turn to for answers to their most important money questions.
Tim Chen: Thanks everyone for your questions today. Looking ahead, we're going to remain focused on building owned audiences through vertical integration, registrations, and data-driven engagement. With the assets and people we have in place, we're confident that NerdWallet will emerge from the AI transition as the most trusted consumer finance brand and the place people turn to for answers to their most important money questions. I look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter.
Tim Chen: Thanks everyone for your questions today. Looking ahead, we're going to remain focused on building owned audiences through vertical integration, registrations, and data-driven engagement. With the assets and people we have in place, we're confident that NerdWallet will emerge from the AI transition as the most trusted consumer finance brand and the place people turn to for answers to their most important money questions. I look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter.
Speaker #2: I look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter.
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