Q2 2026 Better Home & Finance Holding Co Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Kelsey, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome you to the Better Home & Finance Holding Co Q2, 2026 results.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Kelsey, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome you to the Better Home & Finance Holding Company Q2 2026 Results. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tarek Afifi, Corporate Finance and Investor Relations Manager. Tarek, please go ahead.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Kelsey, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome you to the Better Home & Finance Holding Company Q2 2026 Results. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand.
Speaker #1: After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press *1 to raise your hand.
Speaker #1: To withdraw your question, press *1 again. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tarek Afifi, Corporate Finance and Investor Relations Manager.
Operator: To withdraw your question, press star one again. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tarek Afifi, Corporate Finance and Investor Relations Manager. Tarek, please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Tarek, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Welcome to Better Home & Finance Holding Co Q2, 2026 earnings conference call. My name is Tarek Afifi. I'm Better's today's call are Daniel Lewis, interim Chief Executive Officer of Better; and Levine Advani, Chief Financial Officer of Better.
Tarek Afifi: Welcome to Better Home & Finance Holding Company's Q2 2026 earnings conference call. My name is Tarek Afifi. I am Better's Corporate Finance team. Joining me on today's call are Daniel Lewis, Interim Chief Executive Officer of Better, and Loveen Advani, Chief Financial Officer of Better. In addition to this conference call, please direct your attention to our Q2 earnings release, which is available on our investor relations website. Also available on our website is an investor presentation. Certain statements we make today may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws that are based on current expectations and assumptions. These expectations and assumptions are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors as discussed further in our SEC filings that could cause our actual results to differ materially from our historical results. We assume no responsibility to update forward-looking statements other than as required by law.
Tarek Afifi: Welcome to Better Home & Finance Holding Company's Q2 2026 earnings conference call. My name is Tarek Afifi. I am Better's Corporate Finance team. Joining me on today's call are Daniel Lewis, Interim Chief Executive Officer of Better, and Loveen Advani, Chief Financial Officer of Better. In addition to this conference call, please direct your attention to our Q2 earnings release, which is available on our investor relations website. Also available on our website is an investor presentation.
Speaker #2: In addition to this conference call, please direct your attention to our Q2 earnings release, which is available on our investor relations website. Also available on our website is an investor presentation. Certain statements we make today may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws that are based on current expectations and assumptions.
Tarek Afifi: Certain statements we make today may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws that are based on current expectations and assumptions. These expectations and assumptions are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors as discussed further in our SEC filings that could cause our actual results to differ materially from our historical results. We assume no responsibility to update forward-looking statements other than as required by law.
Speaker #2: These expectations and assumptions are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors as discussed further in our SEC filings that can cause our actual results to differ materially from our historical results.
Speaker #2: We assume no responsibility to update forward-looking statements other than as required by law. During today's discussion, management will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are relevant in assessing the company's financial performance.
Tarek Afifi: During today's discussion, management will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are relevant in assessing the company's financial performance. These non-GAAP financial measures should not be considered replacements for, and should be read together with, our GAAP results. These non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled to GAAP financial measures in today's earnings release and investor presentation, both of which are available on the investor relations section of Better's website, and when filed in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q with the SEC. More information as of, and for the period ended 30 June 2026, will be provided upon filing our quarterly report on Form 10-Q with the SEC. I will now turn the call over to Daniel.
Tarek Afifi: During today's discussion, management will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are relevant in assessing the company's financial performance. These non-GAAP financial measures should not be considered replacements for, and should be read together with, our GAAP results. These non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled to GAAP financial measures in today's earnings release and investor presentation, both of which are available on the investor relations section of Better's website, and when filed in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q with the SEC.
Speaker #2: These non-GAAP financial measures should not be considered replacements for, and should be read together with, our GAAP results. These non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled to GAAP financial measures in today's earnings release and investor presentation.
Speaker #2: Both of which are available on the investor relations section of Better's website, and when filed in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q with the SEC.
Speaker #2: More information as of and for the period ended June 30, 2026, will be provided upon filing our quarterly report on Form 10-Q with the SEC.
Tarek Afifi: More information as of, and for the period ended 30 June 2026, will be provided upon filing our quarterly report on Form 10-Q with the SEC. I will now turn the call over to Daniel.
Speaker #2: Daniel.
Speaker #3: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. This week, the board
Daniel Lewis: Good afternoon, everyone, thank you for joining us. This week, the board announced a leadership change and asked me to serve as Interim Chief Executive Officer. Better is not new to me. I have been working alongside management for the past 3 months after Vishal invited me to work directly with the business. I have attended virtually every management meeting in that time and contributed to many of the strategic initiatives we will be discussing today. I have been a significant shareholder for some time, and I have worked closely with our Founder, Vishal Garg, over the past year. My initial mandate was straightforward. Help strengthen execution and improve operational efficiency, delivering the company's strategic priorities. That work expanded into enterprise partnerships development and the day-to-day operations of the business. Along the way, I developed a deep understanding of the business, its leadership team, and the opportunities and challenges in front of us.
Daniel Lewis: Good afternoon, everyone, thank you for joining us. This week, the board announced a leadership change and asked me to serve as Interim Chief Executive Officer. Better is not new to me. I have been working alongside management for the past three months after Vishal invited me to work directly with the business. I have attended virtually every management meeting in that time and contributed to many of the strategic initiatives we will be discussing today.
Speaker #3: announced a leadership change, and asked me to I will now turn the call over to serve as interim Chief Executive Officer. Better is not new to me.
Speaker #3: Announced a leadership change, and asked me to—I will now turn the call over—to serve as interim Chief Executive Officer. Better is not new to me. I have been with management for the past 3 months after Vishal invited me to work directly with the business.
Speaker #3: I have attended virtually every management meeting in that time, and contributed to many of the strategic initiatives we will be discussing today. I've been a significant shareholder for some time, and I have worked closely with our founder, Vishal Garg, over the past year.
Daniel Lewis: I have been a significant shareholder for some time, and I have worked closely with our Founder, Vishal Garg, over the past year. My initial mandate was straightforward. Help strengthen execution and improve operational efficiency, delivering the company's strategic priorities. That work expanded into enterprise partnerships development and the day-to-day operations of the business. Along the way, I developed a deep understanding of the business, its leadership team, and the opportunities and challenges in front of us.
Speaker #3: straightforward: help strengthen execution and improve operational efficiency delivering the company's strategic priorities. That work expanded into enterprise partnerships development and the day-to-day operations of the business.
Speaker #3: deep understanding of the business, its leadership team, and the opportunities and challenges in front of us. I spent the last 30 years as an investor, board member, founder, and operator at highly regulated financial institutions.
Daniel Lewis: I spent the last 30 years as an investor, board member, founder, and operator at highly regulated financial institutions. I want to address our forward outlook at the beginning of this call. Our Q3 guidance reflects the muted refinancing environment and the uncertain timing of several partnership launches. In Q3, we expect loan volume of $1.375 billion to 1.525 billion. Total net revenues of $49 million to 52 million, and an adjusted EBITDA loss of $18 million to 15 million. Regarding our previously guided goal of reaching adjusted EBITDA breakeven by September, we now expect to fall short. I remain optimistic about Better's opportunity, but our objective is to establish credibility through execution. Achieving it depends on transaction volumes, revenue mix, and the timing of our cost reductions.
Daniel Lewis: I spent the last 30 years as an investor, board member, founder, and operator at highly regulated financial institutions. I want to address our forward outlook at the beginning of this call. Our Q3 guidance reflects the muted refinancing environment and the uncertain timing of several partnership launches. In Q3, we expect loan volume of $1.375 billion to 1.525 billion. Total net revenues of $49 million to 52 million, and an adjusted EBITDA loss of $18 million to 15 million.
Speaker #3: I want to address our forward outlook at the beginning of this call. Our Q3 guidance reflects the muted refinancing Along the way, I developed a partnership launches.
Speaker #3: In Q3, we expect loan volume of $1.375 billion to $1.525 billion. Total net revenues of $49 million to $52 million and an adjusted EBITDA loss of $18 million to $15 million.
Speaker #3: Regarding our previously guided goal of reaching adjusted EBITDA break-even by September, we now expect to fall short. I remain optimistic about Better's opportunity, but our objective is to establish credibility through execution.
Daniel Lewis: Regarding our previously guided goal of reaching adjusted EBITDA breakeven by September, we now expect to fall short. I remain optimistic about Better's opportunity, but our objective is to establish credibility through execution. Achieving it depends on transaction volumes, revenue mix, and the timing of our cost reductions.
Speaker #3: I do not want to anchor adjusted EBITDA break-even expectations to a specific month, because achieving it depends on transaction volumes, revenue mix, and the timing of our cost reductions.
Speaker #3: Our cost reductions are expected to continue to flow through the P&L over the remainder of the year. At the same time, the timing of partnership launches and other revenue initiatives will naturally influence quarterly results.
Daniel Lewis: Our cost reductions are expected to continue to flow through the P&L over the remainder of the year. At the same time, the timing of partnership launches and other revenue initiatives will naturally influence quarterly results. Sustainable profitability is a clear priority, and we will strengthen our financial position without sacrificing the opportunity in front of us. We now expect our annual cost savings to exceed $45 million, well above our original target of $25 million. That represents meaningful progress, but is not where we intend to stop. Better has always been innovative, defined by our founder's spirit and creativity. As is often the case, an organization moving into an enterprise strategy needs focus as complexity slows execution. Going forward, we will concentrate on fewer priorities and execute them exceptionally well. No group is more excited about that focus than our AI engineering team.
Daniel Lewis: Our cost reductions are expected to continue to flow through the P&L over the remainder of the year. At the same time, the timing of partnership launches and other revenue initiatives will naturally influence quarterly results. Sustainable profitability is a clear priority, and we will strengthen our financial position without sacrificing the opportunity in front of us. We now expect our annual cost savings to exceed $45 million, well above our original target of $25 million.
Speaker #3: Sustainable profitability is a clear priority, and we will strengthen our financial position without sacrificing the opportunity in front of us. We now expect our annual cost savings to exceed $45 million, well above our original target of $25 million.
Speaker #3: That represents meaningful progress but is not where we intend to stop. Better has always been innovated, defined by our founder's spirit and creativity. But as is often the case in organizations moving into an enterprise strategy, it needs focus as complexity slows execution.
Daniel Lewis: That represents meaningful progress, but is not where we intend to stop. Better has always been innovative, defined by our founder's spirit and creativity. As is often the case, an organization moving into an enterprise strategy needs focus as complexity slows execution. Going forward, we will concentrate on fewer priorities and execute them exceptionally well. No group is more excited about that focus than our AI engineering team.
Speaker #3: Going forward, we will concentrate on fewer priorities and execute them exceptionally well. No group is more excited about that focus than our AI engineering team.
Speaker #3: I am pleased to say that July was our most productive month for engineering in some time, largely because of clearer prioritization. Sustainable profitability and long-term growth are not competing priorities.
Daniel Lewis: I'm pleased to say that July was our most productive month for engineering in some time, largely because of clearer prioritization. Sustainable profitability and long-term growth are not competing priorities. When capital is allocated with discipline and execution is consistent, they reinforce one another. What gives me the greatest confidence is the team. Better has exceptional people who are energized by the opportunity ahead. Across the company, I see leaders who are eager to build, move fast, and execute at a higher standard. Just as importantly, we will not depend on a refinancing cycle or wait for interest rates to fall. We already have a compelling HELOC product. What we need is thoughtful distribution and continued improvement in customer acquisition costs, not additional demand or a different macro environment. We are building operating leverage in businesses where demand already exists.
Daniel Lewis: I'm pleased to say that July was our most productive month for engineering in some time, largely because of clearer prioritization. Sustainable profitability and long-term growth are not competing priorities. When capital is allocated with discipline and execution is consistent, they reinforce one another. What gives me the greatest confidence is the team. Better has exceptional people who are energized by the opportunity ahead. Across the company, I see leaders who are eager to build, move fast, and execute at a higher standard.
Speaker #3: When capital is allocated with discipline, and execution is consistent, they reinforce one another. What gives me the greatest confidence is the team. Better has exceptional people who are energized by the opportunity ahead.
Speaker #3: Across the company, I see leaders who are eager to build, move fast, and execute at a higher standard. Just as importantly, we will not depend on a fall.
Daniel Lewis: Just as importantly, we will not depend on a refinancing cycle or wait for interest rates to fall. We already have a compelling HELOC product. What we need is thoughtful distribution and continued improvement in customer acquisition costs, not additional demand or a different macro environment. We are building operating leverage in businesses where demand already exists.
Speaker #3: We already have a compelling HELOC product. What we need is thoughtful distribution and continued improvement in customer acquisition costs, not additional demand or a different macro environment.
Speaker #3: We are building operating leverage in businesses where demand already exists. Our growth will come from better execution, not from waiting for the market to improve.
Daniel Lewis: Our growth will come from better execution, not from waiting for the market to improve. I know our enterprise results can improve significantly. Our partnership support infrastructure still requires work, which reflects our direct-to-consumer heritage. The expansion from direct-to-consumer to an enterprise model is not a simple evolution. Why are the board and I enthusiastic about Better's future? The demand for Tinman and Betsy is no longer in question. It is coming from enterprise customers, independent mortgage brokers, and our own loan officers. Independent mortgage brokers have expressed interest in our Tinman solution, built specifically for the wholesale channel, and we are now preparing for launch. We have demonstrated product market fit in one of the largest financial markets in the world, spanning first-lien mortgages, home equity lending, and an enterprise mortgage infrastructure. That brings me to our operating priorities. Our first priority is distribution.
Daniel Lewis: Our growth will come from better execution, not from waiting for the market to improve. I know our enterprise results can improve significantly. Our partnership support infrastructure still requires work, which reflects our direct-to-consumer heritage. The expansion from direct-to-consumer to an enterprise model is not a simple evolution. Why are the board and I enthusiastic about Better's future? The demand for Tinman and Betsy is no longer in question. It is coming from enterprise customers, independent mortgage brokers, and our own loan officers.
Speaker #3: I know our enterprise results can improve significantly. Our partnership support infrastructure still requires work, which reflects our direct-to-consumer heritage. The expansion from direct-to-consumer to an enterprise model is not a simple evolution.
Speaker #3: So why are the board and I enthusiastic about Better's future? The demand for 10-man and Betsy is no longer in question. It is coming from enterprise customers, independent mortgage brokers, and our own loan officers.
Speaker #3: Independent mortgage brokers have expressed interest in our 10-man solution, built specifically for the wholesale channel, and we are now preparing for launch. We have demonstrated product-market fit in one of the largest financial markets in the world, spanning firstly mortgages, home equity lending, and an enterprise mortgage infrastructure.
Daniel Lewis: Independent mortgage brokers have expressed interest in our Tinman solution, built specifically for the wholesale channel, and we are now preparing for launch. We have demonstrated product market fit in one of the largest financial markets in the world, spanning first-lien mortgages, home equity lending, and an enterprise mortgage infrastructure. That brings me to our operating priorities. Our first priority is distribution.
Speaker #3: That brings me to our operating priorities. Our first priority is distribution. We will focus on enterprise partners whose businesses naturally API-driven operating model. We will win by manufacturing mortgages efficiently, not by outspending competitors on customer acquisition.
Daniel Lewis: We will focus on enterprise partners whose businesses naturally align with Tinman and our API-driven operating model. We will win by manufacturing mortgages efficiently, not by outspending competitors on customer acquisition. That includes consumer platforms like Credit Karma and Coinbase, our Neo operation, as well as wholesale brokers and other enterprise partners whose customers can move seamlessly onto the Tinman platform. We are not simply interested in partnership announcements. Our objective is to build an organization that consistently implements, supports, and grows them. Since my appointment, we have spoken with each of our enterprise partners and those that are still in the pipeline. We talked about the exciting future ahead, and those conversations reinforced my conviction about this opportunity. Today I will highlight the wholesale channel. There's real interest from independent mortgage brokers who are already waiting for Tinman.
Daniel Lewis: We will focus on enterprise partners whose businesses naturally align with Tinman and our API-driven operating model. We will win by manufacturing mortgages efficiently, not by outspending competitors on customer acquisition. That includes consumer platforms like Credit Karma and Coinbase, our Neo operation, as well as wholesale brokers and other enterprise partners whose customers can move seamlessly onto the Tinman platform. We are not simply interested in partnership announcements. Our objective is to build an organization that consistently implements, supports, and grows them. Since my appointment, we have spoken with each of our enterprise partners and those that are still in the pipeline. We talked about the exciting future ahead, and those conversations reinforced my conviction about this opportunity. Today I will highlight the wholesale channel. There's real interest from independent mortgage brokers who are already waiting for Tinman.
Speaker #3: That includes consumer platforms like Credit Karma and Coinbase, our NEO operation, as well as wholesale brokers and other enterprise partners whose customers can move seamlessly onto the Tenman platform.
Speaker #3: We are not simply interested in partnership announcements. Our objective is to build an organization that consistently implements supports and grows them. Since my appointment, we have spoken with each of our enterprise partners and those that are still on the pipeline.
Speaker #3: We talked about the exciting future ahead, and those conversations reinforced my conviction about this opportunity. We are excited about a few select verticals, and today I will highlight the wholesale channel.
Speaker #3: There is real interest from independent mortgage brokers who are already waiting for 10-man. We intend to serve them, but only when we can deliver a best-in-class loan officer experience, faster funding, lower cost, and better customer outcomes.
Daniel Lewis: We intend to serve them, only when we can deliver a best-in-class loan officer experience, faster funding, lower cost, and better customer outcomes. We are interested in winning for the long term. Our second priority is product. We will continue investing aggressively in HELOC. Our offering combines sophisticated underwriting with a differentiated experience for both borrowers and loan officers. The wholesale market's interest has exceeded our expectations, and we intend to pursue the opportunity aggressively but thoughtfully. Today, HELOC's still largely a direct-to-consumer product. Over time, we expect it to become an important enterprise product as well. Our third priority is Tinman. Tinman is an AI-native, modular end-to-end solution supporting the mortgage process from lead to fund. It is not a wrapper on someone else's technology. It is the manufacturing system itself. Further automation reduces expense, it also enables a faster closing experience for customers.
Daniel Lewis: We intend to serve them, only when we can deliver a best-in-class loan officer experience, faster funding, lower cost, and better customer outcomes. We are interested in winning for the long term. Our second priority is product. We will continue investing aggressively in HELOC. Our offering combines sophisticated underwriting with a differentiated experience for both borrowers and loan officers. The wholesale market's interest has exceeded our expectations, and we intend to pursue the opportunity aggressively but thoughtfully. Today, HELOC's still largely a direct-to-consumer product. Over time, we expect it to become an important enterprise product as well. Our third priority is Tinman. Tinman is an AI-native, modular end-to-end solution supporting the mortgage process from lead to fund. It is not a wrapper on someone else's technology. It is the manufacturing system itself. Further automation reduces expense, it also enables a faster closing experience for customers.
Speaker #3: We are interested in winning for the long term. Our second priority is product. We will continue investing aggressively in HELOC. Our offering combines sophisticated underwriting with a differentiated experience for both borrowers and loan officers.
Speaker #3: The wholesale market's interest has exceeded our expectations, and we intend to pursue the opportunity aggressively but thoughtfully. Today, HELOC is still largely a direct-to-consumer product.
Speaker #3: Over time, we expect it to become an important enterprise product as well. Our third priority is 10-man. 10-man is an AI-native modular end-to-end solution supporting the mortgage process from lead to fund.
Speaker #3: It is not a wrapper on someone else's technology. It is the manufacturing system itself. Further automation reduces expense, but it also enables a faster closing experience for customers.
Speaker #3: Our near-term objectives are simple: give loan officers the best experience and continue driving automation throughout the platform. Let me explain why we expect to win here.
Daniel Lewis: Our near-term objectives are simple: give loan officers the best experience and continue driving automation throughout the platform. Let me explain why we expect to win here. D2C and Neo are our innovation platform and our feedback loop on the loan officer experience. Every day, our loan officers tell us what works, what does not, and what needs to improve. That feedback loop is how Tinman becomes an AI platform built by loan officers rather than just for them, ultimately a platform that enterprise customers and independent brokers can adopt with confidence. Because our AI strategy is fundamental to Better's long-term success, I have asked our board member, Prabhu Narasimhan, to continue serving as a strategic advisor on enterprise artificial intelligence. As the founder and CEO of BRAHMA AI, Prabhu brings deep experience helping enterprises deploy AI at scale. Finally, we will continue simplifying operations.
Daniel Lewis: Our near-term objectives are simple: give loan officers the best experience and continue driving automation throughout the platform. Let me explain why we expect to win here. D2C and Neo are our innovation platform and our feedback loop on the loan officer experience. Every day, our loan officers tell us what works, what does not, and what needs to improve. That feedback loop is how Tinman becomes an AI platform built by loan officers rather than just for them, ultimately a platform that enterprise customers and independent brokers can adopt with confidence. Because our AI strategy is fundamental to Better's long-term success, I have asked our board member, Prabhu Narasimhan, to continue serving as a strategic advisor on enterprise artificial intelligence. As the founder and CEO of BRAHMA AI, Prabhu brings deep experience helping enterprises deploy AI at scale. Finally, we will continue simplifying operations.
Speaker #3: B2C and NEO are our innovation platform, and our feedback loop on the loan officer experience. Every day, our loan officers tell us what works, what does not, and what needs to improve.
Speaker #3: That feedback loop is how 10-man becomes an AI platform built for them, and ultimately a platform that enterprise customers and independent brokers can adopt with confidence.
Speaker #3: Because our AI strategy is fundamental to Better's long-term success, I have asked our board member, Prabhu Narasimhan, to continue serving as a strategic advisor on enterprise artificial intelligence.
Speaker #3: As the founder and CEO of Brahma AI, Prabhu brings deep experience helping enterprises deploy AI at scale. Finally, we will continue simplifying operations. Our NEO and Better mortgage operations are being combined, creating efficiencies while improving execution.
Daniel Lewis: Our Neo and Better Mortgage operations are being combined, creating efficiencies while improving execution. A more focused company means clear priorities, aligning engineering resources, disciplined capital allocation, and an operating model built around execution. Let me turn to how we intend to communicate with you, our shareholders. Today, I am signaling confidence in Better's future, our objective is to establish credibility through execution. We will report on our prospects, our progress against stated objectives, and our cost structure, including the impact of stock-based compensation. At my request, I will receive the minimum salary permitted by law and no cash bonus. My compensation will consist of performance-based equity with the final terms to be determined by the board and disclosed in our public filings. That is the structure I requested because I believe in Better's future, I want my incentives aligned with those of our shareholders.
Daniel Lewis: Our Neo and Better Mortgage operations are being combined, creating efficiencies while improving execution. A more focused company means clear priorities, aligning engineering resources, disciplined capital allocation, and an operating model built around execution. Let me turn to how we intend to communicate with you, our shareholders. Today, I am signaling confidence in Better's future, our objective is to establish credibility through execution. We will report on our prospects, our progress against stated objectives, and our cost structure, including the impact of stock-based compensation. At my request, I will receive the minimum salary permitted by law and no cash bonus. My compensation will consist of performance-based equity with the final terms to be determined by the board and disclosed in our public filings. That is the structure I requested because I believe in Better's future, I want my incentives aligned with those of our shareholders.
Speaker #3: A more focused company means clear priorities, aligning engineering resources, discipline capital allocation, and an operating model built around execution. Let me turn to how we intend to communicate with you, our shareholders.
Speaker #3: Today, I am signaling confidence in Better’s future, but our objective is to establish credibility through execution. We will report on our prospects, our progress against stated objectives, and our cost structure, including the impact of stock-based compensation.
Speaker #3: At my request, I will receive the minimum salary permitted by law and no cash bonus. My compensation will consist of performance-based equity with the final terms to be determined by the board and disclosed in our public filings.
Speaker #3: That is the structure I requested, because I believe in Better's future and I want my incentives aligned with those of our shareholders. The board's incentives are also aligned with yours.
Daniel Lewis: The board's incentives are also aligned with yours. They have elected to receive their compensation in equity rather than cash. The board and I are aligned on my interim designation. The interim designation provides complete flexibility for the board as it considers the company's long-term leadership while allowing us to devote our full attention to executing the plan in front of us. My confidence is not built on hope, but on the information and experience I have gained over the past several months. It comes from employees rallying around a clear plan and shared sense of purpose. It comes from the opportunities I see to grow this business. It comes from my belief that Better has the people, technology, and foundation to execute if we remain disciplined and focused. We will build partnerships we can support properly and put our engineers on the work that matters most.
Daniel Lewis: The board's incentives are also aligned with yours. They have elected to receive their compensation in equity rather than cash. The board and I are aligned on my interim designation. The interim designation provides complete flexibility for the board as it considers the company's long-term leadership while allowing us to devote our full attention to executing the plan in front of us. My confidence is not built on hope, but on the information and experience I have gained over the past several months. It comes from employees rallying around a clear plan and shared sense of purpose. It comes from the opportunities I see to grow this business. It comes from my belief that Better has the people, technology, and foundation to execute if we remain disciplined and focused. We will build partnerships we can support properly and put our engineers on the work that matters most.
Speaker #3: They have elected to receive their compensation in equity rather than cash. The board and I are aligned on my interim designation. The interim designation provides complete flexibility for the board as it considers the company's long-term leadership, while allowing us to devote our full attention to executing the plan in front of us.
Speaker #3: My confidence is not built on hope, but on the information and experience I have gained over the past several months. It comes from employees rallying around a clear plan and shared sense of purpose.
Speaker #3: It comes from the opportunities I see to grow this business. And it comes from my belief that Better has the people, technology, and foundation to execute if we remain disciplined and focused.
Speaker #3: We will build partnerships we can support properly, and put our engineers on the work that matters most. Better exists to solve deeply human problems, helping someone buy a first home, giving a growing family more space, enabling a retiree to lower monthly payments, or allowing a business owner to invest by unlocking home equity.
Daniel Lewis: Better exists to solve deeply human problems. Helping someone buy a first home, giving a growing family more space, enabling a retiree to lower monthly payments, or allowing a business owner to invest by unlocking home equity. The strongest impression I formed at Better was not about the technology. It was about the people who do that work. Finally, I want to thank Vishal Garg. Better would not exist without his vision, and the technology we are discussing today is the product of years of investment and innovation under his leadership. I appreciate his partnership through this transition. With that, I'll turn the call over to Loveen.
Daniel Lewis: Better exists to solve deeply human problems. Helping someone buy a first home, giving a growing family more space, enabling a retiree to lower monthly payments, or allowing a business owner to invest by unlocking home equity. The strongest impression I formed at Better was not about the technology. It was about the people who do that work. Finally, I want to thank Vishal Garg. Better would not exist without his vision, and the technology we are discussing today is the product of years of investment and innovation under his leadership. I appreciate his partnership through this transition. With that, I'll turn the call over to Loveen.
Speaker #3: The strongest impression I formed of Better was not about the technology. It was about the people who do that work. Finally, I want to thank Vishal Garg.
Speaker #3: Better would not exist without his vision, and the technology we are discussing today is the product of years of investment and innovation under his leadership.
Speaker #3: I appreciate his partnership through this transition. With that, I'll turn the call over to Levine.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Daniel, for clearly laying out the priorities ahead. We look forward to supporting you on their execution. On the macro environment, the rate backdrop got more difficult as the quarter progressed.
Loveen Advani: Thank you, Daniel, for clearly laying out the priorities ahead. We look forward to supporting you on their execution. On the macro environment, the rate backdrop got more difficult as the quarter progressed, and mortgage application activity has softened industry-wide. We don't expect this to be a short-term blip. We're planning for an elevated rate environment to persist over the medium term, and we're adapting accordingly. Despite the macro environment in Q2, Better's loan volume grew 38% year-over-year to $1.67 billion, and total net revenues increased 28% year-over-year and 15% quarter-over-quarter to $54.7 million. This quarter, HELOC represented 18% of our loan volume, up from 12% last quarter. That's a direct reflection of how we're responding to this rate backdrop. HELOCs enable homeowners to access liquidity without giving up a lower rate that they have already locked in.
Loveen Advani: Thank you, Daniel, for clearly laying out the priorities ahead. We look forward to supporting you on their execution. On the macro environment, the rate backdrop got more difficult as the quarter progressed, and mortgage application activity has softened industry-wide. We don't expect this to be a short-term blip. We're planning for an elevated rate environment to persist over the medium term, and we're adapting accordingly. Despite the macro environment in Q2, Better's loan volume grew 38% year-over-year to $1.67 billion, and total net revenues increased 28% year-over-year and 15% quarter-over-quarter to $54.7 million. This quarter, HELOC represented 18% of our loan volume, up from 12% last quarter. That's a direct reflection of how we're responding to this rate backdrop. HELOCs enable homeowners to access liquidity without giving up a lower rate that they have already locked in.
Speaker #1: And mortgage application activity has softened industry-wide. We don't expect this to be a short-term blip. We're planning for an elevated rate environment to persist over the medium term, and we're adapting accordingly.
Speaker #1: Despite the macro environment in Q2, Better's loan volume grew 38% year over year, to 1.67 billion, and total net revenues increased 28% year over year, and 15% quarter over quarter, to 54.7 million.
Speaker #1: This quarter HELOC represented 18% of our loan volume, up from 12% last quarter. That's a direct reflection of how we're responding to this rate backdrop.
Speaker #1: HELOCs enable homeowners to access liquidity without giving up a lower rate that they've already locked in. Even though HELOCs carry smaller average loan sizes than first liens, they generate higher average revenue per loan, so they have an outsized impact. In Q2, our NEO business grew 60% in loan volume year over year, and continues to recruit top loan officer teams across the country.
Loveen Advani: Even though HELOCs carry smaller average loan sizes than first liens, they generate higher average revenue per loan, so they have an outsized impact on revenue. Turning to Neo. In Q2, our Neo business grew 60% in loan volume year-over-year and continues to recruit top loan officer teams across the country. In Q2, our adjusted EBITDA loss was $14 million. This $14 million loss is a 39% improvement year-over-year and a 26% improvement quarter-over-quarter. The adjusted EBITDA benefits from a one-time $6.5 million TRID reserve release related to loans originated prior to June 2022. Looking at product trends in Q2. Refinance loan volume grew 239% year-over-year to $549 million. Home equity volume grew 23% year-over-year to $294 million. Purchase loan volumes grew 3% year-over-year to $824 million.
Loveen Advani: Even though HELOCs carry smaller average loan sizes than first liens, they generate higher average revenue per loan, so they have an outsized impact on revenue. Turning to Neo. In Q2, our Neo business grew 60% in loan volume year-over-year and continues to recruit top loan officer teams across the country. In Q2, our adjusted EBITDA loss was $14 million. This $14 million loss is a 39% improvement year-over-year and a 26% improvement quarter-over-quarter. The adjusted EBITDA benefits from a one-time $6.5 million TRID reserve release related to loans originated prior to June 2022. Looking at product trends in Q2. Refinance loan volume grew 239% year-over-year to $549 million. Home equity volume grew 23% year-over-year to $294 million. Purchase loan volumes grew 3% year-over-year to $824 million.
Speaker #1: In Q2, our adjusted EBITDA loss was 14 million. This 14 million loss is a 39% improvement year over year, and a 26% improvement quarter over quarter.
Speaker #1: The adjusted EBITDA benefits from a one-time 6.5 million dollar trade reserve release, related to loans originated prior to June 2022. Looking at product trends in Q2, refinanced loan volume grew 239% year over year, to 549 million.
Speaker #1: Home equity volume grew 23% year over year, to 294 million. And purchase loan volumes grew 3% year over year, to 824 million. By product mix, refinance made up 33% of Q2 loan volume.
Loveen Advani: By product mix, refinance made up 33% of Q2 loan volume, home equity made up 18% of Q2 loan volume, and purchase made up 49% of Q2 loan volume. By channel in Q2, 55% of loan volume came from the Tinman AI platform and 45% from direct-to-consumer. Now turning to Q3 guidance. We expect loan volumes of $1.375 billion to $1.525 billion, of which the midpoint represents 20% growth year over year. We expect total net revenues of $49 million to $52 million, of which the midpoint represents a 22% growth year over year. We also expect an adjusted EBITDA loss in the range of $18 million to $15 million, of which the midpoint represents a 28% improvement year over year. The range is wider than in prior quarters for two reasons.
Loveen Advani: By product mix, refinance made up 33% of Q2 loan volume, home equity made up 18% of Q2 loan volume, and purchase made up 49% of Q2 loan volume. By channel in Q2, 55% of loan volume came from the Tinman AI platform and 45% from direct-to-consumer. Now turning to Q3 guidance. We expect loan volumes of $1.375 billion to $1.525 billion, of which the midpoint represents 20% growth year over year. We expect total net revenues of $49 million to $52 million, of which the midpoint represents a 22% growth year over year. We also expect an adjusted EBITDA loss in the range of $18 million to $15 million, of which the midpoint represents a 28% improvement year over year. The range is wider than in prior quarters for two reasons.
Speaker #1: Home equity made up 18% of Q2 loan volume. And purchase made up 49% of Q2 loan volume. By channel, in Q2, 55% of loan volume came from the 10-man AI platform, and 45% from direct-to-consumer.
Speaker #1: Now turning to third quarter guidance. We expect loan volumes of 1.375 billion to 1.525 billion, of which the midpoint represents 20% growth year over year.
Speaker #1: We expect total net revenues of 49 million to 52 million, of which the midpoint represents a 22% growth year over year. We also expect an adjusted EBITDA loss in the range of 18 million to 15 million, of which the midpoint represents a 28% improvement year over year.
Speaker #1: The range is wider than in prior quarters for two reasons: refinanced volume is more rate-sensitive at current levels, and our revenue mix is actively shifting towards HELOCs.
Loveen Advani: Refinance volume is more rate sensitive at current levels, and our revenue mix is actively shifting towards HELOCs. As our HELOC partnerships ramp and season, we expect that product to become a more predictable contributor to give us better visibility into our forecast. Building on Daniel's earlier statement on the September break-even target, the cost reduction that we have executed will continue to flow through the P&L over the remainder of the year. The timing of the HELOC partnership ramps and launches and the pace of the refinance market will determine when we cross over. Rather than re-anchor to a specific month, we will report our progress each quarter and let the results speak for themselves. On the balance sheet, we ended Q2 2026 with approximately $102 million in cash and cash equivalents and $10 million in restricted cash.
Loveen Advani: Refinance volume is more rate sensitive at current levels, and our revenue mix is actively shifting towards HELOCs. As our HELOC partnerships ramp and season, we expect that product to become a more predictable contributor to give us better visibility into our forecast. Building on Daniel's earlier statement on the September break-even target, the cost reduction that we have executed will continue to flow through the P&L over the remainder of the year. The timing of the HELOC partnership ramps and launches and the pace of the refinance market will determine when we cross over. Rather than re-anchor to a specific month, we will report our progress each quarter and let the results speak for themselves. On the balance sheet, we ended Q2 2026 with approximately $102 million in cash and cash equivalents and $10 million in restricted cash.
Speaker #1: As our HELOC partnerships ramp and season, we expect that product to become a more predictable contributor to give us better visibility into our forecast.
Speaker #1: Building on Daniel's earlier statement regarding the September break-even target, the cost reductions we have executed will continue to flow through the P&L over the remainder of the year.
Speaker #1: But the timing of the HELOC partnership ramps and launches and the pace of the refinance market will determine when we cross over. Rather than re-anchor to a specific month, we will report our progress each quarter and let the results speak for themselves.
Speaker #1: On the balance sheet, we ended Q2 2026 with approximately 102 million in cash and cash equivalents, and 10 million in restricted cash. We believe the balance sheet today is appropriately positioned to support our path towards profitability.
Loveen Advani: We believe the balance sheet today is appropriately positioned to support our path towards profitability. In addition, our total warehouse capacity stands at approximately $850 million, a 48% increase from year-end 2025. That capacity reflects both the belief in the platform and the infrastructure required to support future partnership growth. Our warehouse lenders have continued to expand their commitments alongside us, which we see as a strong vote of confidence in the direction we're headed. We continue to pursue the sale of our UK bank subsidiary, Birmingham Bank, through a process led by FT Partners. We will provide an update when there is a material development. We will continue to give you clear visibility into these numbers each quarter and let the results speak for the progress we are making. I will turn it back to the operator for Q&A.
Loveen Advani: We believe the balance sheet today is appropriately positioned to support our path towards profitability. In addition, our total warehouse capacity stands at approximately $850 million, a 48% increase from year-end 2025. That capacity reflects both the belief in the platform and the infrastructure required to support future partnership growth. Our warehouse lenders have continued to expand their commitments alongside us, which we see as a strong vote of confidence in the direction we're headed. We continue to pursue the sale of our UK bank subsidiary, Birmingham Bank, through a process led by FT Partners. We will provide an update when there is a material development. We will continue to give you clear visibility into these numbers each quarter and let the results speak for the progress we are making. I will turn it back to the operator for Q&A.
Speaker #1: In addition, our total warehouse capacity stands at approximately 850 million dollars, a 48% increase from year-end 2025. That capacity reflects both the belief in the platform and the infrastructure required to support future partnership growth.
Speaker #1: Our warehouse lenders have continued to expand their commitments alongside us, which we see as a strong vote of confidence in the direction we're headed.
Speaker #1: We continue to pursue the sale of our UK bank subsidiary, Birmingham Bank, through a process led by FT Partners. We will provide an update when there is a material development.
Speaker #1: We'll continue to give you clear visibility into these numbers each quarter, and let the results speak for the progress we're re making. Alternate back to the operator for Q&A.
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Kartik Mehta: To start off, just looking at Q3 guidance. When looking at Q3 guidance, kind of assumes lower loan volume and revenue sequentially, yet the combined EBITDA performance suggests that you're realizing meaningful benefits from the cost initiatives. I was wondering if you could discuss how much of that improvement is already visible versus how much you can realize over the next 12 months.
Kartik Mehta: To start off, just looking at Q3 guidance. When looking at Q3 guidance, kind of assumes lower loan volume and revenue sequentially, yet the combined EBITDA performance suggests that you're realizing meaningful benefits from the cost initiatives. I was wondering if you could discuss how much of that improvement is already visible versus how much you can realize over the next 12 months.
Speaker #3: To start off, just looking at third quarter guidance, when looking at the third quarter guidance, kind of assumes lower loan volume and revenue sequentially.
Speaker #3: Yet the implied EBITDA performance suggests that you're realizing meaningful benefits from the cost initiatives. And so I was wondering if you could discuss how much of that improvement is already visible versus how much you can realize over the next 12 months.
Speaker #1: Hey, Karthik and Savine. Thanks for the question. Yeah, so in our Q2, if you adjust for the trade, our OPEX was around 75 million.
Loveen Advani: Hey, Kartik. It's Loveen. Thanks for the question. In our Q2, if you adjust for the TRID, our OpEx is around $75 million, and the midpoint of our Q3 guidance has OpEx about $67 million. Say about $8 million of savings from quarter-over-quarter. We started our cost cuts later in the quarter, so we couldn't get the impact of majority of them in Q2. We see a meaningful impact in our cost cuts in Q3, which is why despite lower volumes and lower revenue in Q3, we should get better EBITDA.
Loveen Advani: Hey, Kartik. It's Loveen. Thanks for the question. In our Q2, if you adjust for the TRID, our OpEx is around $75 million, and the midpoint of our Q3 guidance has OpEx about $67 million. Say about $8 million of savings from quarter-over-quarter. We started our cost cuts later in the quarter, so we couldn't get the impact of majority of them in Q2. We see a meaningful impact in our cost cuts in Q3, which is why despite lower volumes and lower revenue in Q3, we should get better EBITDA.
Speaker #1: And the midpoint of our Q3 guidance has OPEX at about $67 million, so that's about $8 million of savings quarter over quarter. We started the cost cuts later in the quarter, so we couldn't get the impact of the majority of them into Q2.
Speaker #1: But we see a meaningful impact in our cost cuts in Q3. Which is why, despite lower volumes and lower revenue in Q3, we should get better EBITDA.
Kartik Mehta: Daniel, you talk about obviously partnerships. Some of them are delayed. I'm wondering if you talk about maybe your pipeline of new partnerships, and is it a delay just because it takes time to implement them? Or is it a delay because maybe demand is different today than it was six months ago for those partnerships?
Speaker #3: And Daniel, you talked about obviously partnerships. Some of them are delayed. I'm wondering if you could talk about maybe your pipeline of new partnerships.
Kartik Mehta: Daniel, you talk about obviously partnerships. Some of them are delayed. I'm wondering if you talk about maybe your pipeline of new partnerships, and is it a delay just because it takes time to implement them? Or is it a delay because maybe demand is different today than it was six months ago for those partnerships?
Speaker #3: And is it a delay because of just because it takes time to implement them? And or is it a delay because maybe demand is different today than it was six months ago for those partnerships?
Speaker #4: Thanks for the question. The answer is that when you deal with large enterprises, you are subject to their rollout schedule, both in terms of the percentages of leads we would get, the actual launch dates, et cetera.
Daniel Lewis: Thanks for the question. The answer is that when you deal with large enterprises, you are subject to their rollout schedule, both in terms of the percentages of leads we would get, the actual launch dates, et cetera. It's not a lack of demand at all for Tinman. In fact, we've made some announcements about our HELOC product coming to market. I think it's our first partnership from the D2C. The pipeline is very robust. We've spoken to all the partners this week, and we feel that we're in a great position. In terms of guiding you for Q3, it becomes difficult. We decided we weren't going to include the impact of any launches in those numbers. Certainly as we end into the second, I guess Q4 this year, that's when I think you'll really start to see some activity.
Daniel Lewis: Thanks for the question. The answer is that when you deal with large enterprises, you are subject to their rollout schedule, both in terms of the percentages of leads we would get, the actual launch dates, et cetera. It's not a lack of demand at all for Tinman. In fact, we've made some announcements about our HELOC product coming to market. I think it's our first partnership from the D2C. The pipeline is very robust. We've spoken to all the partners this week, and we feel that we're in a great position. In terms of guiding you for Q3, it becomes difficult. We decided we weren't going to include the impact of any launches in those numbers. Certainly as we end into the second, I guess Q4 this year, that's when I think you'll really start to see some activity.
Speaker #4: So it's not a lack of demand at all for 10-man. In fact, we've made some announcements about our HELOC product coming to market. I think it's our first partnership from the D2C.
Speaker #4: So the pipeline is very robust. We've spoken to all the partners this week, and we feel that we're in a great position. But in terms of guiding you for Q3, it becomes difficult.
Speaker #4: So, we decided we weren't going to include the impact of any launches in those numbers. But certainly, as we end into the second, I guess, Q4 this year, that's when I think you'll really start to see some activity.
Daniel Lewis: The other thing I would say.
Daniel Lewis: The other thing I would say.
Speaker #4: The other thing I would just. Go ahead.
Kartik Mehta: Thanks. It's good to hear.
Kartik Mehta: Thanks. It's good to hear.
Daniel Lewis: Go ahead.
Daniel Lewis: Go ahead.
Speaker #3: Well, I apologize. Go ahead.
Kartik Mehta: I apologize. Go ahead.
Kartik Mehta: I apologize. Go ahead.
Speaker #4: No, I just think the other thing is, again, leaning into the HELOC side, because right now our enterprise partnerships are very skewed towards refinancing.
Daniel Lewis: No, just I think the other thing is, again, leaning into the HELOC side because right now our enterprise partnerships are very skewed towards the refinancing. That obviously has the macro headwind. The ones in H2 of the year, we think are going to start to be more meaningful because they're the right kind of partner and it's the right kind of product, which is our HELOC.
Daniel Lewis: No, just I think the other thing is, again, leaning into the HELOC side because right now our enterprise partnerships are very skewed towards the refinancing. That obviously has the macro headwind. The ones in H2 of the year, we think are going to start to be more meaningful because they're the right kind of partner and it's the right kind of product, which is our HELOC.
Speaker #4: So that obviously has the macro headwind. So the ones in the second half of the year we think are going to start to be more meaningful because they're the right kind of partner, and it's the right kind of product, which is our HELOC.
Speaker #3: Perfect. Thank you. Good to hear the pipeline is still pretty strong.
Kartik Mehta: Perfect. Thank you. Good to hear the pipeline is still pretty strong.
Kartik Mehta: Perfect. Thank you. Good to hear the pipeline is still pretty strong.
Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Peterson with Needham. Your line is open, Kyle. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Peterson with Needham. Your line is open, Kyle. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Peterson with Needham. Your line is open, Kyle. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Great. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking the questions. One of the dig into the third quarter guide a little bit, but more on the top line base, just wanted to see if you guys could help us maybe bridge in a little more detail in terms of kind of how we get from the 2Q level to 3Q.
Kyle Peterson: Great. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking the questions. Wanted to dig into the Q3 guide a little bit, but more on the top-line base. Just wanted to see if you guys could help us maybe bridge in a little more detail in terms of how we get from the Q2 level to Q3. I assume there's a good amount of mix that'll probably be changing there with less refi, more home equity. Any more color that you guys could give in terms of what to expect on the mix and the puts and takes to get to the Q3 revenue would be really helpful.
Kyle Peterson: Great. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking the questions. Wanted to dig into the Q3 guide a little bit, but more on the top-line base. Just wanted to see if you guys could help us maybe bridge in a little more detail in terms of how we get from the Q2 level to Q3. I assume there's a good amount of mix that'll probably be changing there with less refi, more home equity. Any more color that you guys could give in terms of what to expect on the mix and the puts and takes to get to the Q3 revenue would be really helpful.
Speaker #5: I assume there's a good amount of mix that will probably be changing there, with less refi and more home equity. But any more color that you guys could give in terms of what to expect on the mix and the puts and takes to get to the third-quarter revenue would be really helpful.
Speaker #1: Hey, Kyle. . Thanks. Yeah, that's a great question. As we said in our first Q earnings call, we're expect the percentage of HELOC in our total volumes to increase.
Loveen Advani: Hey, Kyle. Thanks. Yeah, that's a great question. As we said on our Q1 earnings call, we expect the percentage of HELOC in our total volumes to increase, and we saw that in Q2. We went from 12% of volumes in Q1 -- HELOCs being 12% of volumes in Q1 to being 18% of volumes in Q2. We expect HELOCs to be meaningfully higher in Q3. We don't want to give exact pinpoint guidance for a couple of reasons. One is we've factored in no HELOC partnerships in our Q2 guide, right? It's purely D2C. The second piece is the macro environment affects the refi business, so that mix is uncertain as well.
Loveen Advani: Hey, Kyle. Thanks. Yeah, that's a great question. As we said on our Q1 earnings call, we expect the percentage of HELOC in our total volumes to increase, and we saw that in Q2. We went from 12% of volumes in Q1 -- HELOCs being 12% of volumes in Q1 to being 18% of volumes in Q2. We expect HELOCs to be meaningfully higher in Q3. We don't want to give exact pinpoint guidance for a couple of reasons. One is we've factored in no HELOC partnerships in our Q2 guide, right? It's purely D2C. The second piece is the macro environment affects the refi business, so that mix is uncertain as well.
Speaker #1: And we saw that in the second quarter. We went from 12% of volumes in the first quarter HELOCs being 12% of volumes in the first quarter to being 18% of the volumes in the second quarter.
Speaker #1: We expect HELOCs to be meaningfully higher in the third quarter. We don't want to kind of give exact pinpoint guidance for a couple of reasons.
Speaker #1: One is, we've factored in no HELOC partnerships in our Q3 guide, right? It's purely D2C. And the second piece is, the macro environment affects the refi business.
Speaker #1: So that makes is uncertain as well.
Speaker #5: Okay. That is helpful. And then as a follow-up, I hear you on not including any of the HELOC contribution with partnerships. So I did want to ask a little bit about what that could look like in the future, specifically with credit karma I guess, how are you guys thinking about how long it would take a partnership like this to get up and running?
Kyle Peterson: Okay. That is helpful. As a follow-up, I hear you on not including any of the HELOC contribution with partnerships. Did want to ask a little bit about what that could look like in the future, specifically with Credit Karma. I guess, how are you guys thinking about how long it would take a partnership like this to get up and running and when that could start to contribute to volumes? Is that in Q4 of this year, or is that more of a next year event? Just any directional rough timing on the ramp time there would be great.
Kyle Peterson: Okay. That is helpful. As a follow-up, I hear you on not including any of the HELOC contribution with partnerships. Did want to ask a little bit about what that could look like in the future, specifically with Credit Karma. I guess, how are you guys thinking about how long it would take a partnership like this to get up and running and when that could start to contribute to volumes? Is that in Q4 of this year, or is that more of a next year event? Just any directional rough timing on the ramp time there would be great.
Speaker #5: And when that could start to contribute to volumes? Is that in the fourth quarter of this year, or is that more of a next year event?
Speaker #5: Just any directional rough timing on the ramp time there would be great.
Speaker #4: So the answer is multiple partnerships should start to kick in in ELOC in the fourth quarter. So far, this quarter, we have done no partner launches.
Daniel Lewis: The answer is multiple partnerships should start to kick in in HELOC in Q4. So far this quarter, we have done no partner launches, and no HELOC launches specifically. Hopefully that gives you a sense of why the bridge on revenue. We are basically still at the refi environment in our largest enterprise segment, and we don't have anything really additional in terms of channel development in the HELOC product.
Daniel Lewis: The answer is multiple partnerships should start to kick in in HELOC in Q4. So far this quarter, we have done no partner launches, and no HELOC launches specifically. Hopefully that gives you a sense of why the bridge on revenue. We are basically still at the refi environment in our largest enterprise segment, and we don't have anything really additional in terms of channel development in the HELOC product.
Speaker #4: And no HELOC launches specifically. So, hopefully, that gives you a sense of why the bridge on revenue. We basically still have the refi environment in our largest enterprise segment.
Speaker #4: And we don't have anything really additional in terms of channel development in the HELOC product.
Speaker #5: Got it. Thank you.
Kyle Peterson: Got it. Thank you.
Kyle Peterson: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Vafi with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open, Joseph. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Vafi with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open, Joseph. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Vafi with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open, Joseph. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Welcome on board, Daniel. The maybe could we talk a little bit about ramping HELOC volume? It sounds like it's going to continue to ramp here on a mixed shift basis into Q3, but it doesn't sound like we're necessarily signing any new partners right now.
Joseph Vafi: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Welcome on board, Daniel. Maybe could we talk a little bit about ramping HELOC volume? It sounds like it's going to continue to ramp here on a mix-shift basis into Q3. It doesn't sound like we're necessarily signing any new partners right now. If we can just double-click on where HELOC volume growth is coming from in a more detailed way across your existing channels. Is it direct B2C, or is there a channel benefit here? Thanks.
Joseph Vafi: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Welcome on board, Daniel. Maybe could we talk a little bit about ramping HELOC volume? It sounds like it's going to continue to ramp here on a mix-shift basis into Q3. It doesn't sound like we're necessarily signing any new partners right now. If we can just double-click on where HELOC volume growth is coming from in a more detailed way across your existing channels. Is it direct B2C, or is there a channel benefit here? Thanks.
Speaker #6: So, can we just double-click on where HELOC volume growth is coming from in a more detailed way across your existing channels? Is it direct B2C, or is there a channel benefit here?
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #4: I think just to correct that point, we have signed HELOC partnerships. They just haven't launched or ramped yet. So that's why I'm giving you pushing you towards the fourth quarter when you start to see some impact.
Daniel Lewis: I think just to correct that point, we have signed HELOC partnerships. They just haven't launched or ramped yet. That's why I'm pushing you towards Q4 when you start to see some impact. The HELOC product itself, we have a very competitive offering vis-à-vis our competition. Tinman is a great solution for HELOC, as is our loan operations. Again, I think we're really excited about the HELOC partnership. We want it to be thoughtful about Q3 guide just because we're not in control of those start dates. We know that they're coming, but they're not coming in this quarter.
Daniel Lewis: I think just to correct that point, we have signed HELOC partnerships. They just haven't launched or ramped yet. That's why I'm pushing you towards Q4 when you start to see some impact. The HELOC product itself, we have a very competitive offering vis-à-vis our competition. Tinman is a great solution for HELOC, as is our loan operations. Again, I think we're really excited about the HELOC partnership. We want it to be thoughtful about Q3 guide just because we're not in control of those start dates. We know that they're coming, but they're not coming in this quarter.
Speaker #4: And the HELOC product itself—we have a very competitive offering vis-à-vis our competition. Tinman is a great solution for HELOC, as is our loan operation.
Speaker #4: So again, I think we're really excited about the HELOC partnership. We want to be thoughtful about Q3 guide just because we're not in control of those start dates.
Speaker #4: We know that they're coming, but they're not coming in this quarter.
Speaker #6: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And then are there any channels that you think maybe better is going to de-emphasize moving forward relative to previously?
Joseph Vafi: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Then, are there any channels that you think maybe Better is going to de-emphasize moving forward relative to previously? Thanks very much.
Joseph Vafi: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Then, are there any channels that you think maybe Better is going to de-emphasize moving forward relative to previously? Thanks very much.
Speaker #6: Thanks very much.
Speaker #4: I think that echoes my comments on focus. There's the kind of partnership we want and the one that we really don't think makes a ton of sense for the business right now.
Daniel Lewis: I think that echoes my comments on focus. There's the kind of partnership we want and the one that we really don't think makes a ton of sense for the business right now. When you're thinking about ripping out existing systems and training other people's loan officers on the use of Tinman, those are very long sales cycle. They're very expensive in terms of customer support. It's the partnerships where we are using our API-driven culture to plug in Tinman, we can provide a white label solution. That includes the wholesale channel, which I think is going to be starting towards the end of September. It includes the enterprise platform, the platforms that we have. There's a wide market that covers most of the TAM of the industry, particularly in HELOC.
Daniel Lewis: I think that echoes my comments on focus. There's the kind of partnership we want and the one that we really don't think makes a ton of sense for the business right now. When you're thinking about ripping out existing systems and training other people's loan officers on the use of Tinman, those are very long sales cycle. They're very expensive in terms of customer support. It's the partnerships where we are using our API-driven culture to plug in Tinman, we can provide a white label solution. That includes the wholesale channel, which I think is going to be starting towards the end of September. It includes the enterprise platform, the platforms that we have. There's a wide market that covers most of the TAM of the industry, particularly in HELOC.
Speaker #4: When you're thinking about ripping out existing systems and training other people's loan officers on the use of Tinman, those are very long sales cycles.
Speaker #4: They're very expensive in terms of customer support. It's the partnerships where we are using our API-driven culture to plug in Tinman. We can provide a white label solution.
Speaker #4: And that includes the wholesale channel, which I think is going to be starting towards the end of September. And it includes the enterprise platform, the platforms that we have.
Speaker #4: So there's a wide market that covers most of the TAM of the industry, particularly in HELOC. But it's the really complicated enterprise integrations that we think so far have not yielded material results.
Daniel Lewis: It's the really complicated enterprise integrations that we think so far have not yielded material results, and the cost associated with them has been high.
Daniel Lewis: It's the really complicated enterprise integrations that we think so far have not yielded material results, and the cost associated with them has been high.
Speaker #4: And the cost associated with them has been high.
Speaker #6: Great. Thanks. And then maybe just back to sneak one more. And can you just give us an update on your pricing strategy in the market?
Joseph Vafi: Great, thanks. Then maybe just if I could sneak one more in. Can you just give us an update on your pricing strategy in the market? I know when Tinman launched, it was a little disruptive. An update on the outlook there would be helpful. Thank you very much.
Joseph Vafi: Great, thanks. Then maybe just if I could sneak one more in. Can you just give us an update on your pricing strategy in the market? I know when Tinman launched, it was a little disruptive. An update on the outlook there would be helpful. Thank you very much.
Speaker #6: I know when Tinman launched, it was a little disruptive. An update on the outlook there would be helpful. Thank you very much.
Speaker #1: Yeah, absolutely. We're going to price to we're going to keep our price our pricing methodology is more around contribution margin. We're going to keep our pricing methodology around the 20 to 25 percent incremental contribution margin across all channels and products.
Loveen Advani: Yeah, absolutely. Our pricing methodology is more around contribution margin. We're going to keep our pricing methodology around the 20% to 25% incremental contribution margin across all channels and products.
Loveen Advani: Yeah, absolutely. Our pricing methodology is more around contribution margin. We're going to keep our pricing methodology around the 20% to 25% incremental contribution margin across all channels and products.
Speaker #4: I think the way we want you all to start thinking about the company is less about loan volume because of the change in mix of HELOC versus first lien.
Daniel Lewis: I think the way we want you all to start thinking about the company is less about loan volume because of the change in mix of HELOC versus first lien. We want you to think less about simply revenue growth, but look at contribution margin, which is less our marketing expense or the loan platform fees we have to pay. That's a proper metric rather than seeing if we're buying business in the marketing D2C channel.
Daniel Lewis: I think the way we want you all to start thinking about the company is less about loan volume because of the change in mix of HELOC versus first lien. We want you to think less about simply revenue growth, but look at contribution margin, which is less our marketing expense or the loan platform fees we have to pay. That's a proper metric rather than seeing if we're buying business in the marketing D2C channel.
Speaker #4: And we want you to think less about simply revenue growth, but look at contribution margin, which is less our marketing expense or the loan platform fees we have to pay.
Speaker #4: That's a proper metric rather than seeing if we're buying business in the marketing DTC channel.
Speaker #6: Great. Thank you very much.
Joseph Vafi: Great. Thank you very much.
Joseph Vafi: Great. Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. The next question comes from the line of Ramsey El-Assal with Cantor Fitzgerald.
Operator: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. The next question comes from the line of Ramsey El-Assal with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open, Ramzi. Please go ahead.
Operator: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. The next question comes from the line of Ramsey El-Assal with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open, Ramzi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Your line is open, Ramsey. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hi. Thank you very much for taking my question this evening. Daniel, congratulations on the new role. I guess my first question is, why now on the CEO transition?
Ramsey El-Assal: Hi. Thank you very much for taking my question this evening. Daniel, congratulations on the new role. I guess my first question is why now on the CEO transition? Why did the board decide to act now? Then maybe as a two-parter here also, you were listed as interim CEO, but your prepared remarks sounded more permanent. I was just wondering if the board's running a search for a permanent CEO, or whether the interim title is self-interim, if that makes sense.
Ramsey El-Assal: Hi. Thank you very much for taking my question this evening. Daniel, congratulations on the new role. I guess my first question is why now on the CEO transition? Why did the board decide to act now? Then maybe as a two-parter here also, you were listed as interim CEO, but your prepared remarks sounded more permanent. I was just wondering if the board's running a search for a permanent CEO, or whether the interim title is self-interim, if that makes sense.
Speaker #7: Why did the board decide to act now? And then maybe I'll as a two-parter here also, you were listed as interim CEO, but you're prepared to mark sounded more permanent.
Speaker #7: And I was just wondering if the board's running a search for a permanent CEO or whether the interim title is, I don't know, it's self-interim.
Speaker #7: Does that make sense?
Speaker #4: The board is committed to running a search for a full-time CEO, and part of my service on the board of directors in stepping into this role is giving them the most flexibility that they need.
Daniel Lewis: The board is committed to running a search for a full-time CEO. Part of my service on the board of directors of stepping into this role is giving them the most flexibility that they need. They've also given me the total authority to act against a strategic plan, which is why I probably sound less interim today. We have a strategic plan, we're acting, and we have a search firm. In terms of the decision of why now, I think the board concluded that we are really in a transitional phase between a founder mode-based company, which is creativity and many different projects, versus an enterprise stage of executing against very select ideas that have a demonstrated product market fit. That's the transition moment, and obviously Vishal has been an incredible founder for the company, and we are all very grateful.
Daniel Lewis: The board is committed to running a search for a full-time CEO. Part of my service on the board of directors of stepping into this role is giving them the most flexibility that they need. They've also given me the total authority to act against a strategic plan, which is why I probably sound less interim today. We have a strategic plan, we're acting, and we have a search firm. In terms of the decision of why now, I think the board concluded that we are really in a transitional phase between a founder mode-based company, which is creativity and many different projects, versus an enterprise stage of executing against very select ideas that have a demonstrated product market fit. That's the transition moment, and obviously Vishal has been an incredible founder for the company, and we are all very grateful.
Speaker #4: They've also given me the total authority to act against a strategic plan, which is why I probably sound more less interim today. So we have a strategic plan.
Speaker #4: We're acting, and we have a search firm. In terms of the decision of why now, I think the board concluded that we are really in a transitional phase between a founder-mode-based company—which is creativity and many different projects—versus an enterprise stage of executing against very select ideas that have a demonstrated product-market fit.
Speaker #4: That's the transition moment. And obviously, Vishal has been an incredible founder for the company, and we are all very grateful.
Speaker #7: Fantastic. Let me squeeze one more quick one in. I mean, given your background, is the Board exploring any kind of strategic alternatives for the business?
Ramsey El-Assal: Fantastic. Let me squeeze one more quick one in. Given your background, is the board exploring any kind of strategic alternatives for the business? Is that on the table, or is that not something that's being contemplated?
Ramsey El-Assal: Fantastic. Let me squeeze one more quick one in. Given your background, is the board exploring any kind of strategic alternatives for the business? Is that on the table, or is that not something that's being contemplated?
Speaker #7: Is that on the table, or is that not something that's being contemplated?
Speaker #4: There's no formal strategic alternative process at this time.
Daniel Lewis: There's no formal strategic alternative process at this time.
Daniel Lewis: There's no formal strategic alternative process at this time.
Speaker #7: Fantastic. Thank you very much.
Ramsey El-Assal: Fantastic. Thank you very much.
Ramsey El-Assal: Fantastic. Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Daniel Lewis for closing remarks.
Operator: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Daniel Lewis for closing remarks.
Operator: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Daniel Lewis for closing remarks.
Speaker #4: Thank you all for joining us. I'm grateful to our team for all the hard work. We're focused on executing with discipline and delivering on the opportunity ahead.
Daniel Lewis: Thank you all for joining us. I'm grateful to our team for all the hard work. We're focused on executing with discipline and delivering on the opportunity ahead. Look forward to speaking to you all again next quarter.
Daniel Lewis: Thank you all for joining us. I'm grateful to our team for all the hard work. We're focused on executing with discipline and delivering on the opportunity ahead. Look forward to speaking to you all again next quarter.
Speaker #4: Look forward to speaking to you all again next quarter.
Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.
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