Q1 2027 Affle 3i Ltd Earnings Call
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Speaker #2: Thank you, Madam. Good morning, everyone. On behalf of Elara Capital, we welcome you all to the Q1 FY2027 conference call of Affle 3i Limited.
Karan Taurani: Thank you, madam. Good morning, everyone. On behalf of Elara Capital, we welcome you all to Q1 FY 2027 conference call of Affle 3i Ltd. I take this opportunity to welcome the management of Affle 3i Ltd, represented by Mr. Anuj Khanna Sohum, who is the chairperson, MD, and CEO of the company. With him, we have Mr. Kapil Bhutani, who is the chief financial and operations officer of the company. Before we begin the discussion, I would like to remind you that some of the statements made in today's conference call may be forward-looking in nature and may involve some risks and uncertainties. Kindly refer to slide two of company's earnings presentation for a detailed disclaimer. I will now hand over the call to Mr. Anuj Khanna Sohum for his opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you, Anuj.
Karan Taurani: Thank you, madam. Good morning, everyone. On behalf of Elara Capital, we welcome you all to Q1 FY 2027 conference call of Affle 3i Ltd. I take this opportunity to welcome the management of Affle 3i Ltd, represented by Mr. Anuj Khanna Sohum, who is the chairperson, MD, and CEO of the company. With him, we have Mr. Kapil Bhutani, who is the chief financial and operations officer of the company. Before we begin the discussion, I would like to remind you that some of the statements made in today's conference call may be forward-looking in nature and may involve some risks and uncertainties. Kindly refer to slide two of company's earnings presentation for a detailed disclaimer. I will now hand over the call to Mr. Anuj Khanna Sohum for his opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you, Anuj.
Speaker #2: I take this opportunity to welcome the management of Affle 3i Ltd, represented by Mr. Anuj Sohum, who is the Chairperson, MD, and CEO of the company. With him, we have Mr. Kapil Bhutani, who is the Chief Financial and Operations Officer of the company.
Speaker #2: Before we begin the discussion, I would like to remind you that some of the statements made in today's conference call may be forward-looking in nature and may involve some risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #2: Kindly refer to slide two of the company's earnings presentation for a detailed disclaimer. I will now hand over the call to Mr. Anuj Sohum for his opening remarks.
Speaker #2: Thank you, and over to you, Anuj.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. I trust all of you are keeping in good health. Q1 FY2027 marks our 14th consecutive quarter of sequential top-line growth, and we recorded our highest ever quarterly revenue, EBITDA, PAT, and consumer conversions.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. I trust all of you are keeping in good health. Q1 FY 2027 marks our 14th consecutive quarter of sequential top-line growth. We recorded our highest ever quarterly revenue, EBITDA, PAT, and consumer conversions. During the quarter, we delivered revenues of INR 7.47 billion, a growth of 20.4% year on year. This is robust considering the negative impact of regulatory and macroeconomic headwinds on some customer segments like RMG. Over 95% of our revenues witnessed over 25% growth year on year, adjusting for that impact, reaffirming our consistent execution on the medium-term guidance that we have committed to our stakeholders. Our continued focus on bottom-line sensibility translated into much better profitability. EBITDA stood at INR 1.68 billion for the quarter and recorded a robust 20% year-on-year growth, with stable EBITDA margins at 22.4%.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. I trust all of you are keeping in good health. Q1 FY 2027 marks our 14th consecutive quarter of sequential top-line growth. We recorded our highest ever quarterly revenue, EBITDA, PAT, and consumer conversions. During the quarter, we delivered revenues of INR 7.47 billion, a growth of 20.4% year on year. This is robust considering the negative impact of regulatory and macroeconomic headwinds on some customer segments like RMG. Over 95% of our revenues witnessed over 25% growth year on year, adjusting for that impact, reaffirming our consistent execution on the medium-term guidance that we have committed to our stakeholders. Our continued focus on bottom-line sensibility translated into much better profitability. EBITDA stood at INR 1.68 billion for the quarter and recorded a robust 20% year-on-year growth, with stable EBITDA margins at 22.4%.
Speaker #3: During the quarter, we delivered revenues of Rs 7.47 billion, a growth of 20.4% year-on-year. This is robust considering the negative impact of regulatory and macroeconomic headwinds on some customer segments, like R&G.
Speaker #3: Over 95% of our revenues witnessed over 25% growth year-on-year, adjusting for that impact, reaffirming our consistent execution on the medium-term guidance that we have committed to our stakeholders.
Speaker #3: Our continued focus on bottom-line sensibility translated into much better profitability. EBITDA stood at Rs 1.68 billion for the quarter, recording a robust 20% year-on-year growth, with stable EBITDA margins at 22.4%.
Speaker #3: Profit after tax for the quarter stood at Rs 1.28 billion, growing by 21.7% year-on-year. This proven performance of our differentiated CPCU business model reinforces our compounding growth story.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Profit after tax for the quarter stood at INR 1.28 billion, growing by 21.7% year on year. This proven performance of our differentiated CPCU business model reinforces our compounding growth story. As we deepen our verticalization strategy, strengthen direct advertiser integrations, and expand our audience intelligence capabilities, we continue to enhance the scale and competitiveness of our AI-powered consumer platform stack across connected devices, including mobile, CTV, and now other agentic, autonomous, intelligent, connected devices. These structural advantages provide a strong foundation for our sustained growth as we build on our vision of 10X. India and globally emerging markets continue to anchor our business growth, growing by 20.2% year on year and contributing 72.2% of our revenues in Q1 FY27.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Profit after tax for the quarter stood at INR 1.28 billion, growing by 21.7% year on year. This proven performance of our differentiated CPCU business model reinforces our compounding growth story. As we deepen our verticalization strategy, strengthen direct advertiser integrations, and expand our audience intelligence capabilities, we continue to enhance the scale and competitiveness of our AI-powered consumer platform stack across connected devices, including mobile, CTV, and now other agentic, autonomous, intelligent, connected devices. These structural advantages provide a strong foundation for our sustained growth as we build on our vision of 10X. India and globally emerging markets continue to anchor our business growth, growing by 20.2% year on year and contributing 72.2% of our revenues in Q1 FY27.
Speaker #3: As we deepen our verticalization strategy, strengthen direct advertiser integrations, and expand our audience intelligence capabilities, we continue to enhance the scale and competitiveness of our AI-powered consumer platform stack across connected devices, including mobile, CTV, and now other agentic autonomous intelligence-connected devices.
Speaker #3: These structural advantages provide a strong foundation for our sustained growth as we build on our vision of 10X. India and globally emerging markets continue to anchor our business growth, growing by 20.2% year-on-year and contributing 72.2% of our revenues in Q1 FY2027.
Speaker #3: Our disciplined sales execution, deeper customer engagements, and continued new logo additions have also strengthened our presence across developed markets, which grew by 20.7% year-on-year and contributed 27.8% of our revenues.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Our disciplined sales execution, deeper customer engagements, and continued new logo additions have also strengthened our presence across developed markets, which grew by 20.7% year on year and contributed 27.8% of our revenues. Developed markets account for a disproportionately high share of the steadily growing global advertising budgets. Accordingly, we remain focused on progressively increasing our participation across these markets and aligning our revenue mix more closely with the underlying global advertising budget mix. Alongside our market expansion initiatives, we are also very committed to strengthening the way we operate. The strategic acquisition of AdColony assets enhances our publisher ecosystem and audience intelligence capability, further reinforcing our ability to deliver premium consumer conversions with measurable ROI for advertisers globally. We aim to unlock significant competitive advantage by activating over 100,000 mobile apps to reach over 500 million connected devices in developed markets this year.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Our disciplined sales execution, deeper customer engagements, and continued new logo additions have also strengthened our presence across developed markets, which grew by 20.7% year on year and contributed 27.8% of our revenues. Developed markets account for a disproportionately high share of the steadily growing global advertising budgets. Accordingly, we remain focused on progressively increasing our participation across these markets and aligning our revenue mix more closely with the underlying global advertising budget mix. Alongside our market expansion initiatives, we are also very committed to strengthening the way we operate. The strategic acquisition of AdColony assets enhances our publisher ecosystem and audience intelligence capability, further reinforcing our ability to deliver premium consumer conversions with measurable ROI for advertisers globally. We aim to unlock significant competitive advantage by activating over 100,000 mobile apps to reach over 500 million connected devices in developed markets this year.
Speaker #3: Developed markets account for a disproportionately high share of the steadily growing global advertising budgets. Accordingly, we remain focused on progressively increasing our participation across these markets and aligning our revenue mix more closely with the underlying global advertising budget mix.
Speaker #3: Alongside our market expansion initiatives, we are also very committed to strengthening the way we operate. The strategic acquisition of AdColony assets enhances our publisher ecosystem and audience intelligence capability, further reinforcing our ability to deliver premium consumer conversions with measurable ROI for advertisers globally.
Speaker #3: We aim to unlock significant competitive advantage by activating over 100,000 mobile apps to reach more than 500 million connected devices in developed markets this year.
Speaker #3: Building on the launch of Niko and Arctics AI, we have also enhanced the capabilities of our AI-powered consumer platform stack through new AI-led innovations designed to empower mobile app marketers, growth managers, and advertisers with deeper consumer intelligence and full-funnel campaign visibility.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Building on the launch of Nico and OpticksAI, we have also enhanced capabilities of our AI-powered consumer platform stack through new AI-led innovations designed to empower mobile app marketers, growth managers, and advertisers with deeper consumer intelligence and full-funnel campaign visibility. By combining AI-driven campaign intelligence with real-time performance analytics, these capabilities enable faster data-driven decision-making, smarter campaign optimization, and stronger marketing outcomes. In parallel to our organic growth initiatives, we would like to transparently update our shareholders that we are making strong progress on the inorganic acquisition or the larger inorganic acquisition as we enter the phase of due diligence by third-party advisors appointed by us. We aim to close the larger M&A by early 2027, and the identified targets shall accelerate our expansion across developed markets by providing deeper and differentiated access to customers and verticals.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Building on the launch of Nico and OpticksAI, we have also enhanced capabilities of our AI-powered consumer platform stack through new AI-led innovations designed to empower mobile app marketers, growth managers, and advertisers with deeper consumer intelligence and full-funnel campaign visibility. By combining AI-driven campaign intelligence with real-time performance analytics, these capabilities enable faster data-driven decision-making, smarter campaign optimization, and stronger marketing outcomes. In parallel to our organic growth initiatives, we would like to transparently update our shareholders that we are making strong progress on the inorganic acquisition or the larger inorganic acquisition as we enter the phase of due diligence by third-party advisors appointed by us. We aim to close the larger M&A by early 2027, and the identified targets shall accelerate our expansion across developed markets by providing deeper and differentiated access to customers and verticals.
Speaker #3: By combining AI-driven campaign intelligence with real-time performance analytics, these capabilities enable faster data-driven decision-making, smarter campaign optimization, and stronger marketing outcomes. In parallel to our organic growth initiatives, we would like to transparently update our shareholders that we are making strong progress on the larger inorganic acquisition as we enter the phase of due diligence by third-party advisors appointed by us.
Speaker #3: We aim to close the larger M&A by early 2027, and the targets we identify shall accelerate our expansion across developed markets by providing deeper and differentiated access to customers and verticals.
Speaker #3: This quarter, we have featured five customer-approved case studies in our earnings presentation. The first case study showcases how our conversion-first CPV and cross-screen capabilities maximize new converted diners and first orders for a leading QSR app in India.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: This quarter, we have featured five customer-approved case studies in our earnings presentation. The first case study showcases how our conversion first CPCU and cross-screen capabilities maximize new converted diners and first orders for a leading O2O app in India. Next, three case studies highlight how leading travel brands across emerging markets leverage our AI-powered campaign optimization, proprietary audience intelligence, and bid optimization capabilities to target high-intent travelers, driving stronger booking performance and consumer engagement. The third case study demonstrates how a leading German quick commerce player leveraged Affle's consumer platform to scale its presence in a new European market, Netherlands, by combining AI-powered keyword intelligence, agentic AI, and app growth intelligence to target and convert high-intent grocery shoppers with sustained efficiency. Affle continues to be recognized as a technology thought leader across industry forums.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: This quarter, we have featured five customer-approved case studies in our earnings presentation. The first case study showcases how our conversion first CPCU and cross-screen capabilities maximize new converted diners and first orders for a leading O2O app in India. Next, three case studies highlight how leading travel brands across emerging markets leverage our AI-powered campaign optimization, proprietary audience intelligence, and bid optimization capabilities to target high-intent travelers, driving stronger booking performance and consumer engagement. The third case study demonstrates how a leading German quick commerce player leveraged Affle's consumer platform to scale its presence in a new European market, Netherlands, by combining AI-powered keyword intelligence, agentic AI, and app growth intelligence to target and convert high-intent grocery shoppers with sustained efficiency. Affle continues to be recognized as a technology thought leader across industry forums.
Speaker #3: The next three case studies highlight how leading travel brands across emerging markets leverage our AI-powered campaign optimization, proprietary audience intelligence, and bid optimization capabilities to target high-intent travelers, driving stronger booking performance and consumer engagement.
Speaker #3: The third case study demonstrates how a leading German quick commerce player leveraged Apple's consumer platform to scale its presence in a new European market, the Netherlands, by combining AI-powered keyword intelligence, agentic AI, and app growth intelligence to target and convert high-intent grocery shoppers with sustained efficiency.
Speaker #3: Apple continues to be recognized as a technology thought leader across industry forums. This quarter, our platforms won 18 awards at the Connected TV Asia Symposium 2026, including Best CTV Ad Tech for Addressable TV and Best CTV Technology Company of the Year award.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: This quarter, our platforms won 18 awards at Connected TV Asia Symposium 2026, including Best CTV Ad Tech for Addressable TV and Best CTV Technology Company of the Year award. We were recognized at the e4m Indian Digital Marketing Awards 2026 including Best Campaign, Use of Mobile, and Mobile Monetization. We also received the Gold Award for the Best Cross-Channel Programmatic Campaign at the Agency Reporter Programmatic Asia Awards 2026. Further reinforcing the global recognition, our platforms continue to be recognized across multiple categories in Singular's latest quarterly trend reports. We continue to strengthen our technology IP portfolio through sustained innovation.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: This quarter, our platforms won 18 awards at Connected TV Asia Symposium 2026, including Best CTV Ad Tech for Addressable TV and Best CTV Technology Company of the Year award. We were recognized at the e4m Indian Digital Marketing Awards 2026 including Best Campaign, Use of Mobile, and Mobile Monetization. We also received the Gold Award for the Best Cross-Channel Programmatic Campaign at the Agency Reporter Programmatic Asia Awards 2026. Further reinforcing the global recognition, our platforms continue to be recognized across multiple categories in Singular's latest quarterly trend reports. We continue to strengthen our technology IP portfolio through sustained innovation.
Speaker #3: We were recognized at the E4M India Digital Marketing Awards 2026, including Best Campaign, Use of Mobile, and Mobile Monetization. We also received the Gold Award for the Best Cross-Channel Programmatic Campaign at the Agency Reporter Programmatic Asia Awards 2026.
Speaker #3: Further reinforcing the global recognition, our platforms continue to be recognized across multiple categories in the largest and latest quarterly trend reports. We continue to strengthen our technology IP portfolio through sustained innovation.
Speaker #3: Our robust IP portfolio, representing more than 300 unique, enforceable patent claims, spans across fraud intelligence, human versus non-human data distillation, precision targeting, contextual and gesture-based advertising, and next-generation AI-native ads and engagements across key industry verticals.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Our robust IP portfolio, representing 300-plus unique enforceable patent claims, spans across fraud intelligence, human versus non-human data destination, precision targeting, contextual and gesture-based advertising, and next generation AI native ads and engagements across key industry verticals, reinforcing our differentiated and defensible position as the digital advertising ecosystem continues to evolve rapidly. As we look ahead to the upcoming festive quarter, we remain encouraged by the demand environment across our key markets. With a disciplined strategy, a resilient business model, and a clear roadmap for the next phase of Affle's growth journey, we are well-positioned to sustain our momentum and create long-term value for our stakeholders. With that, I now hand over the discussion to our CFO, Kapil Bhutani, to take you through the financial details of the quarter. Over to you, Kapil.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Our robust IP portfolio, representing 300-plus unique enforceable patent claims, spans across fraud intelligence, human versus non-human data destination, precision targeting, contextual and gesture-based advertising, and next generation AI native ads and engagements across key industry verticals, reinforcing our differentiated and defensible position as the digital advertising ecosystem continues to evolve rapidly. As we look ahead to the upcoming festive quarter, we remain encouraged by the demand environment across our key markets. With a disciplined strategy, a resilient business model, and a clear roadmap for the next phase of Affle's growth journey, we are well-positioned to sustain our momentum and create long-term value for our stakeholders. With that, I now hand over the discussion to our CFO, Kapil Bhutani, to take you through the financial details of the quarter. Over to you, Kapil.
Speaker #3: We are reinforcing our differentiated and defensible position as the digital advertising ecosystem continues to evolve rapidly. As we look ahead to the upcoming festive quarter, we remain encouraged by the demand environment across our key markets.
Speaker #3: With a disciplined strategy, a resilient business model, and a clear roadmap for the next phase of Apple's growth journey, we are well positioned to sustain our momentum and create long-term value for our stakeholders.
Speaker #3: With that, I now hand over the discussion to our CFO, Kapil Bhutani, to take you through the financial details of the quarter. Over to you, Kapil.
Speaker #2: Thank you very much. Good morning, and I hope all of you are keeping safe and well. Building on our seven-year track record of consistent acquisition execution as a listed entity, we have started FY27 with a strong financial performance in Q1.
Kapil Bhutani: Thank you much. Good morning, and hope all of you are keeping safe and well. Building on our seven-year track record of consistent execution as a listed entity, we have started FY27 with a strong financial performance in Q1. Let me now take you through our financial performance in Q1 FY27. On a consolidated basis, we delivered a year-on-year growth of 20.4% in our revenues from operation, 20% growth in our EBITDA, and a 21.7% growth in our profit after taxes. We reported a consolidated revenue of INR 7.47 billion during Q1 of FY27, marking a 3.1 sequential growth over our robust growth of Q4 in FY26. This was driven by a broad-based momentum across industry verticals in both India and international markets.
Kapil Bhutani: Thank you much. Good morning, and hope all of you are keeping safe and well. Building on our seven-year track record of consistent execution as a listed entity, we have started FY27 with a strong financial performance in Q1. Let me now take you through our financial performance in Q1 FY27. On a consolidated basis, we delivered a year-on-year growth of 20.4% in our revenues from operation, 20% growth in our EBITDA, and a 21.7% growth in our profit after taxes. We reported a consolidated revenue of INR 7.47 billion during Q1 of FY27, marking a 3.1 sequential growth over our robust growth of Q4 in FY26. This was driven by a broad-based momentum across industry verticals in both India and international markets.
Speaker #2: Our disciplined growth with focus on operational efficiency is supported by robust, profitable growth. And let me now take you to our financial performance in quarter one, financial year '27.
Speaker #2: On a consolidated basis, we delivered a year-on-year growth of 20.4% in our revenues from operations, 20% growth in our EBITDA, and a 21.7% growth in our profit after taxes.
Speaker #2: We reported a consolidated revenue of ₹7.47 billion during Q1 of FY27, marking a 3.1% sequential growth over our robust growth of Q4 in financial year 2026.
Speaker #2: This was driven by a broad-based momentum across industry verticals in both India and international markets. Our standalone margin on our standalone sorry, on our standard basis, as of India revenue grew by 20.4% on year-on-year and 9.2% quarter on quarter, while on adjusted basis, our India revenue increased by 18.1% year-on-year and 5.9% quarter on quarter.
Kapil Bhutani: On a standard basis, our India revenue grew by 20.4% on year-on-year and 9.2% quarter-on-quarter. While on adjusted basis, our India revenue increased by 18.1% year-on-year and 5.9% quarter-on-quarter. Our revenues grew across geographies as India and emerging markets expanded by 20.2% on a YOY basis and a 4% on a sequential basis, while developed markets expanded by 20.7% year-on-year and about 1% sequentially. Our continued investment in scalable platform operations and intelligent automations have enhanced productivity and operational efficiency. This has supported us in our business growth with disciplined workforce, thereby strengthening our operating leverage while sustaining healthy profitability. Consequently, we posted EBITDA of INR 1.68 billion, an increase of 20% year-on-year and a robust 4% growth sequentially. Our EBITDA margins also improved from 22.3% to 22.4% quarter-on-quarter. Further, we did not see any major volatility in forex rates in the current quarter as seen in Q4. Sorry.
Kapil Bhutani: On a standard basis, our India revenue grew by 20.4% on year-on-year and 9.2% quarter-on-quarter. While on adjusted basis, our India revenue increased by 18.1% year-on-year and 5.9% quarter-on-quarter. Our revenues grew across geographies as India and emerging markets expanded by 20.2% on a YOY basis and a 4% on a sequential basis, while developed markets expanded by 20.7% year-on-year and about 1% sequentially. Our continued investment in scalable platform operations and intelligent automations have enhanced productivity and operational efficiency. This has supported us in our business growth with disciplined workforce, thereby strengthening our operating leverage while sustaining healthy profitability. Consequently, we posted EBITDA of INR 1.68 billion, an increase of 20% year-on-year and a robust 4% growth sequentially. Our EBITDA margins also improved from 22.3% to 22.4% quarter-on-quarter. Further, we did not see any major volatility in forex rates in the current quarter as seen in Q4. Sorry.
Speaker #2: Our revenues grew by our revenues grew across geographies as Indian emerging markets expanded by 20.2% on a YOY basis and a 4% on a sequential basis.
Speaker #2: While developed markets expanded by 20.7% year-on-year and about 1% sequentially, our continued investment in scalable platform operations and intelligent automations has enhanced productivity and operational efficiency.
Speaker #2: This has supported us in our business growth with a disciplined workforce, thereby strengthening our operating leverage while sustaining healthy profitability. Consequently, we posted EBITDA of ₹1.68 billion, an increase of 20% year-on-year and a robust 4% growth sequentially.
Speaker #2: Our EBITDA margins also improved from 22.3% to 22.4% quarter on quarter, while we did not see any major volatility in forex rates in the current quarter, as seen in Q4.
Speaker #2: Sorry, coming on OPEX, our inventory and data costs too, that's 63.2% of revenue from operations, and remain broadly in line with our previous quarter.
Kapil Bhutani: On OpEx, our inventory and data costs stood at 63.2% of revenue from operations and remained broadly in line with our previous quarter. Our employee costs increased by 3.4% sequentially, primarily on account of annual release of appraisals and bonuses in few geographies. Year-on-year, our employee cost increased by 7.8%, despite higher outflows due to impact of currency. Our operation has been executed efficiently with team strategies led by AI-supported workflows as we continue to scale our businesses. During the quarter, our other expenses stood at 5.6% of our revenues from operation, an increased margin by INR 2.3 million quarter-on-quarter due to our ongoing spending on business promotion activities to support expansion across developing markets. We achieved profit before tax of INR 1.58 billion, reflecting a growth of 22.1% year-on-year and 6.6% quarter-on-quarter.
Kapil Bhutani: On OpEx, our inventory and data costs stood at 63.2% of revenue from operations and remained broadly in line with our previous quarter. Our employee costs increased by 3.4% sequentially, primarily on account of annual release of appraisals and bonuses in few geographies. Year-on-year, our employee cost increased by 7.8%, despite higher outflows due to impact of currency. Our operation has been executed efficiently with team strategies led by AI-supported workflows as we continue to scale our businesses. During the quarter, our other expenses stood at 5.6% of our revenues from operation, an increased margin by INR 2.3 million quarter-on-quarter due to our ongoing spending on business promotion activities to support expansion across developing markets. We achieved profit before tax of INR 1.58 billion, reflecting a growth of 22.1% year-on-year and 6.6% quarter-on-quarter.
Speaker #2: Our employee cost increased by 3.4% sequentially, primarily on account of the annual release of appraisals and bonuses in two geographies. Year-on-year, our employee cost increased by 7.8%, despite higher outflows due to the impact of currency.
Speaker #2: Our operation has been executed efficiently with team strategies led by AI-supported workflows as we continue to scale our businesses. During the quarter, our other expenses stood at 5.6% of our revenues from operations and increased margin by INR 2.3 million quarter on quarter.
Speaker #2: Due to our ongoing spending on business promotion activities to support expansion across developed markets, we achieved profit before tax of ₹1.58 billion, reflecting a growth of 22.1% year-on-year and 6.6% quarter-on-quarter.
Speaker #2: Further, we grew our profits before tax from operations by 4.7% sequentially. Our profit after tax was at ₹1.28 billion, an increase of 21.7% year-on-year and 7.5% quarter-on-quarter.
Kapil Bhutani: We grew our profits before tax on operations by 4.7% sequentially. Our profit after tax at INR 1.28 billion, an increase of 21.7% year-on-year and a 7.5% quarter-on-quarter. Our PAT margin improved to 16.6% of the total revenue, up from 16% in Q1 last year. On a sequential basis, our PAT margin improved marginally by 14 basis points, with effective tax rates of 18.6% for full year. This is based on full year basis of FY26. We continue to prioritize efficient working capital management, and as such, there were no material changes in our collection risk. The company is on track to achieve robust OCF to PAT ratio for the full year. We had achieved 110% of operating cash flows to PAT in FY26. This upfront higher OCF of the last year is being reflected in the OCF for the current quarter.
Kapil Bhutani: We grew our profits before tax on operations by 4.7% sequentially. Our profit after tax at INR 1.28 billion, an increase of 21.7% year-on-year and a 7.5% quarter-on-quarter. Our PAT margin improved to 16.6% of the total revenue, up from 16% in Q1 last year. On a sequential basis, our PAT margin improved marginally by 14 basis points, with effective tax rates of 18.6% for full year. This is based on full year basis of FY26. We continue to prioritize efficient working capital management, and as such, there were no material changes in our collection risk. The company is on track to achieve robust OCF to PAT ratio for the full year. We had achieved 110% of operating cash flows to PAT in FY26. This upfront higher OCF of the last year is being reflected in the OCF for the current quarter.
Speaker #2: Our PAT margin improved to 16.6% on total revenue, up from 16% in Q1 last year. On a sequential basis, our PAT margin improved marginally by 14 bps, with effective tax rates of 18.6%. For the full year, this is based on the full-year basis of FY26.
Speaker #2: We continue to prioritize efficient working capital management, and as such, there were no material changes in our collection risk. The company is on track to achieve a robust OCF to PAT ratio for the full year.
Speaker #2: We had achieved 110% of operating cash flows to PAT in FY26, with the upfront higher OCF of last year being reflected in the OCF for the current quarter.
Speaker #2: We believe that as we move to Q2, OCF to PAT ratios will normalize. Backed by our strong performance and balance sheet, and the anticipated capital allocation, we remain well positioned to pursue both organic and inorganic growth opportunities in line with our next vision.
Kapil Bhutani: We believe that as we move to Q2, OCF to PAT ratios will normalize. Backed by a strong performance and balance sheet, the anticipated capital allocation, we remain well-positioned to pursue both organic and inorganic growth opportunities in line with our next vision. We continue to invest in scalable technologies and strengthen our global revenue mix, to be executed with financial discipline as we create long-term value for our stakeholders. With this, I end our presentation. Let's open the floor for questions.
Kapil Bhutani: We believe that as we move to Q2, OCF to PAT ratios will normalize. Backed by a strong performance and balance sheet, the anticipated capital allocation, we remain well-positioned to pursue both organic and inorganic growth opportunities in line with our next vision. We continue to invest in scalable technologies and strengthen our global revenue mix, to be executed with financial discipline as we create long-term value for our stakeholders. With this, I end our presentation. Let's open the floor for questions.
Speaker #2: We continue to invest in scalable technologies and strengthen our global revenue mix, and execute with financial discipline as we create long-term value for our stakeholders.
Speaker #2: With this, I end our presentation. Let's open the floor for questions.
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Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen, we'll wait for a moment while the question queue ascends. We have our first question from the line of Karan Taurani from Elara Capital.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Karan Taurani: Hi. Thanks, sir. Congrats on a great quarter. My first question would be on this geopolitical impact, right? You mentioned that 95% of the markets grew towards 25% and above. Could you throw some light here in terms of which markets exactly saw the negative impact? Obviously, one doesn't know in terms of how much time this can last. Could we say that organically, if things were to be normal, we are on track of reported growth in excess of 25% on annualized basis, assuming that H2 would be higher growth because of festive and other things. Can you throw some light on this, please?
Karan Taurani: Hi. Thanks, sir. Congrats on a great quarter. My first question would be on this geopolitical impact, right? You mentioned that 95% of the markets grew towards 25% and above. Could you throw some light here in terms of which markets exactly saw the negative impact? Obviously, one doesn't know in terms of how much time this can last. Could we say that organically, if things were to be normal, we are on track of reported growth in excess of 25% on annualized basis, assuming that H2 would be higher growth because of festive and other things. Can you throw some light on this, please?
Speaker #3: Hi. Thanks, sir. Congrats on the quarter. So my first question would be on the geopolitical impact, right? You mentioned that 95% of the markets grew towards 25% and above.
Speaker #3: could you throw some light here in terms of, which markets exactly, saw the negative impact? obviously, one doesn't know in terms of, how much time this can last, but, could we say that, you know, organically, if things were to be normal, we are on track of, you know, reporting growth rates in excess of 25% on annualized basis, assuming that second half would be higher growth because of festive and other things.
Speaker #3: Can you throw some light on this, please? Yeah.
Speaker #2: Thanks for that question. I think what I was mentioning was that, due to regulatory and macroeconomic headwinds, certain customer segments—like we already know RMG had an impact, and last year, RMG was a contributor.
Kapil Bhutani: Thanks for that question. I think what I was mentioning was that due to regulatory and macroeconomic headwinds, certain customer segments like we already know RMG had an impact, and last year RMG was a contributor, this year it is not. Similarly, there were certain areas of impact we saw in certain categories. Overall, when we normalize it and we see our business, it gives me a lot of confidence and even deeper conviction because on an adjusted basis, 95% of our revenues have actually seen over 25% growth year-on-year. I think that is defensible. How long will it take for the market forces to adjust till we see across the board on 100% of the business, 25% growth? I think we'll wait and see how that works out.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. I think what I was mentioning was that due to regulatory and macroeconomic headwinds, certain customer segments like we already know RMG had an impact, and last year RMG was a contributor, this year it is not. Similarly, there were certain areas of impact we saw in certain categories. Overall, when we normalize it and we see our business, it gives me a lot of confidence and even deeper conviction because on an adjusted basis, 95% of our revenues have actually seen over 25% growth year-on-year. I think that is defensible. How long will it take for the market forces to adjust till we see across the board on 100% of the business, 25% growth? I think we'll wait and see how that works out.
Speaker #2: This year, it is not. I mean, similarly, there were certain areas of impact we saw in fintech and certain categories. But overall, when we normalize it and we see our business, it gives me a lot of confidence and even deeper conviction because, on an adjusted basis, 95% of our revenues have actually seen over 25% growth year on year.
Speaker #2: And I think that is defensible. You know, how long will it take for, you know, the market forces to adjust till we see, across the board on 100% of the business, 25% growth?
Speaker #2: I think we'll wait and see how that works out. But I think the internal confidence on ground momentum is very, very strong, and it gives us a lot of conviction to give guidance on a medium-term basis. If the analysts are modeling us at 20% growth, they should derive confidence from the fact that, say, 95% of the business is actually growing at 25% plus.
Kapil Bhutani: I think the internal confidence, the on-ground momentum is very strong, and it gives us a lot of conviction to give guidance on medium-term basis that if the analysts are modeling us at 20% growth, they should derive confidence from the fact that, say, 95% of business is actually growing at 25% plus.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I think the internal confidence, the on-ground momentum is very strong, and it gives us a lot of conviction to give guidance on medium-term basis that if the analysts are modeling us at 20% growth, they should derive confidence from the fact that, say, 95% of business is actually growing at 25% plus.
Speaker #3: Right. And, gross margins have been coming off for quite a few quarters. Obviously, this is on the back of investments in some new markets, as pointed out by you.
Karan Taurani: Right. Maybe gross margins have been coming off since quite a few quarters. Obviously, this is on the back of investments in some new markets as pointed out by you. Any update over there? When could gross margins see a recovery or utilization of data cost and other things will lead to gross margins being a similar band right now?
Karan Taurani: Right. Maybe gross margins have been coming off since quite a few quarters. Obviously, this is on the back of investments in some new markets as pointed out by you. Any update over there? When could gross margins see a recovery or utilization of data cost and other things will lead to gross margins being a similar band right now?
Speaker #3: But any update over there—when could, you know, gross margins see a recovery? Or do you pretty much know data cost and other things will lead to gross margins being at a similar band right now?
Speaker #2: Look, we are doing quite a few things strategically to enhance the competitive moat of our company. Especially in developed markets, I think the strategic acquisition of assets for AdColony is a meaningful addition to what we will unlock as significant and sustainable competitive advantage.
Kapil Bhutani: Look, we are doing quite a few things strategically to enhance the competitive moat of our company, especially in developed markets. I think the strategic acquisition of assets of AdColony is a meaningful addition to what we will unlock as a significant and sustainable competitive advantage. As we activate over 100,000 apps, which I talked about, we believe we will get to a reach of over 500 million connected devices in developed markets. This will actually help with not only margin expansion, but actually greater ROI delivery to our advertisers, and potentially even better performance for the publishers.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Look, we are doing quite a few things strategically to enhance the competitive moat of our company, especially in developed markets. I think the strategic acquisition of assets of AdColony is a meaningful addition to what we will unlock as a significant and sustainable competitive advantage. As we activate over 100,000 apps, which I talked about, we believe we will get to a reach of over 500 million connected devices in developed markets. This will actually help with not only margin expansion, but actually greater ROI delivery to our advertisers, and potentially even better performance for the publishers.
Speaker #2: As we activate over 100,000 apps, which I talked about, we believe we will get to a reach of over 500 million connected devices in developed markets.
Speaker #2: This will actually help with not only margin expansion, but also greater ROI delivery to our advertisers and, you know, potentially even better performance for the publishers.
Speaker #2: Who we will integrate with. So I think this is definitely the direction that we are taking. So, margin expansion should happen based on the efforts that we are already doing.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Who we will integrate with. I think this is definitely the direction that we are taking. Margin expansion should happen based on the efforts that we are already doing, and that's fundamentally lifting it up versus, let's say, one of the reasons why you also see impact on the margin. I think in the last earnings call, Kapil had mentioned that if you look at the CPCU rate, now the average CPCU rate is above INR 60. If you look at it on a currency adjusted basis, that means we're actually passing some of the benefit to advertiser because of the currency adjustments that are happening. That has actually impacted the margins in the short term, a little bit. Overall, I think our business is robust.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Who we will integrate with. I think this is definitely the direction that we are taking. Margin expansion should happen based on the efforts that we are already doing, and that's fundamentally lifting it up versus, let's say, one of the reasons why you also see impact on the margin. I think in the last earnings call, Kapil had mentioned that if you look at the CPCU rate, now the average CPCU rate is above INR 60. If you look at it on a currency adjusted basis, that means we're actually passing some of the benefit to advertiser because of the currency adjustments that are happening. That has actually impacted the margins in the short term, a little bit. Overall, I think our business is robust.
Speaker #2: And that's fundamentally lifting it up versus, you know, let's say one of the reasons why you also see impact on the margin. I think in the last earnings call, Kapil had mentioned that if you look at the CPCU rate, you know, now the average CPCU rate is above ₹60, but if you look at it on a currency-adjusted basis, that means we're actually passing some of the benefit to advertisers because of the currency adjustments that are happening.
Speaker #2: And that has actually impacted the margins in the short term, you know, a little bit. But overall, I think our business is robust. We are able to create enough value for the advertisers even with these macroeconomic, currency-related headwinds, and yet be margin— you know, our margins are actually expanding.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: We are able to create enough value for the advertisers even with these macroeconomic currency-related headwinds, yet our margins are actually expanding, from a bottom-line perspective. You look at our profit before tax, it's grown 22%, versus revenue is growing at 20.4%, that actually shows that margin is expanding. Yes, we are negotiating these headwinds, whether regulatory or macroeconomic headwinds, very well while creating value for not only our customers in terms of delivering ROI, but also to our shareholders. I think you will see within this financial year, that we will see better margin expansion, especially in developed markets.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: We are able to create enough value for the advertisers even with these macroeconomic currency-related headwinds, yet our margins are actually expanding, from a bottom-line perspective. You look at our profit before tax, it's grown 22%, versus revenue is growing at 20.4%, that actually shows that margin is expanding. Yes, we are negotiating these headwinds, whether regulatory or macroeconomic headwinds, very well while creating value for not only our customers in terms of delivering ROI, but also to our shareholders. I think you will see within this financial year, that we will see better margin expansion, especially in developed markets.
Speaker #2: From a very, from a bottom-line perspective, if you look at our profit before tax, it's grown 22% versus revenues growing at 20.4%. And that actually shows that margin is expanding.
Speaker #2: And, and and yes, we are negotiating these headwinds, whether regulatory or macroeconomic headwinds, very well while creating value for not only our customers in terms of delivering ROI, but also, to our shareholders.
Speaker #2: I think you will see within this financial year that we will see better margin expansion, especially in developed markets.
Speaker #3: Got it. Thank you. That's it from my side for now. I was trying to keep it in.
Karan Taurani: Got it. Thank you. That's it from my side for now. I will talk to you again.
Karan Taurani: Got it. Thank you. That's it from my side for now. I will talk to you again.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Vijay Jain from Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Vijay Jain from Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Vijay Jain from Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hi. Thanks for the opportunity, and congratulations on a great, broadly diversified growth rate in the quarter. My first question is on AdColony. Now, it's been a few months since you acquired it, and Anuj, I heard you talk about the 100,000 app unlocks and 400 to 500 million devices.
Vijay Jain: Hi. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a great broadly diversified growth rate in the quarter. My first question is on AdColony. Now, it's been a few months since you acquired it. Anuj, I heard you talk about the 100,000 app unlocks, four to 500 million devices that you aim to leverage with this acquisition. Would be great to know where this stands right now in terms of those live app integrations, where it stands and whether getting to that 100K app unlock requires sales effort from your side. Just a general flavor of what it requires to get to that level of app integrations as well as would be super helpful to understand. That's my first question.
Vijit Jain: Hi. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a great broadly diversified growth rate in the quarter. My first question is on AdColony. Now, it's been a few months since you acquired it. Anuj, I heard you talk about the 100,000 app unlocks, four to 500 million devices that you aim to leverage with this acquisition. Would be great to know where this stands right now in terms of those live app integrations, where it stands and whether getting to that 100K app unlock requires sales effort from your side. Just a general flavor of what it requires to get to that level of app integrations as well as would be super helpful to understand. That's my first question.
Speaker #4: That you aim to leverage with this acquisition. It would be great to know where this stands right now in terms of those live app integrations, where it stands, and whether, you know, getting to that 100,000 app unlock requires, you know, sales effort from your side, or, I mean, just a general flavor of what it requires to get to that level of app integrations as well would be super helpful to understand.
Speaker #4: That's my first question.
Speaker #2: Thanks for that question. Yes, it's an organic, natural course of business execution, where we are taking the technology and the brand assets of AdColony and going to the market.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. Yes, it's an organic, natural course of business execution where we are taking the technology and the brand assets of AdColony and going to the market. AdColony is a very well-established brand name in the ad tech ecosystem. In fact, in year 2020, 2021, we had an opportunity to look at the acquisition of AdColony as an entire company, and not just the assets that we acquired, but the entire business and the entity of AdColony. At that time, the pricing that we were asked to bid around was around INR 400 million. AdColony is a big name in the ecosystem.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. Yes, it's an organic, natural course of business execution where we are taking the technology and the brand assets of AdColony and going to the market. AdColony is a very well-established brand name in the ad tech ecosystem. In fact, in year 2020, 2021, we had an opportunity to look at the acquisition of AdColony as an entire company, and not just the assets that we acquired, but the entire business and the entity of AdColony. At that time, the pricing that we were asked to bid around was around INR 400 million. AdColony is a big name in the ecosystem.
Speaker #2: So ad colony is a very well-established, brand name in the in the ad tech ecosystem. In fact, in 20 year 2020, 2021, we had an opportunity to look at the acquisition of ad colony as a, you know, entire company and not just the assets that we acquired, but the entire business and the entity of ad colony.
Speaker #2: And at that time, the pricing that, you know, we were asked to bid around was around $400 million. So AdColony is a big name in the ecosystem.
Speaker #2: And what we have now managed to do in 2026, which I see as a windfall strategic gain, is to buy those strategic assets. With which we can now organically in the normal course of business with our own existing teams and as part of our, you know, business development activities without, you know, incurring dramatically new costs or anything like that in our normal course of business, the apps that we already deal with, we'll be able to activate them with the SDK integration in the normal course of business through this year.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: What we have now managed to do in 2026, which I see as a windfall strategic gain, is to buy those strategic assets with which we can now organically, in the normal course of business, with our own existing teams and as part of our business development activities, without incurring dramatically new costs or anything like that. In our normal course of business, the apps that we already deal with, we'll be able to activate them with the SDK integration in the normal course of business through this year. It will actually unlock the deeper reach, deeper audience, and consumer intelligence across 500 million connected devices in developed markets alone. This is the kind of strategic advantage that we will unlock in this course of business. AdColony is meaningful, and it will just happen in the normal course of business.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: What we have now managed to do in 2026, which I see as a windfall strategic gain, is to buy those strategic assets with which we can now organically, in the normal course of business, with our own existing teams and as part of our business development activities, without incurring dramatically new costs or anything like that. In our normal course of business, the apps that we already deal with, we'll be able to activate them with the SDK integration in the normal course of business through this year. It will actually unlock the deeper reach, deeper audience, and consumer intelligence across 500 million connected devices in developed markets alone. This is the kind of strategic advantage that we will unlock in this course of business. AdColony is meaningful, and it will just happen in the normal course of business.
Speaker #2: And it will actually unlock deeper reach, a deeper audience, and consumer intelligence across 500 million connected devices in developed markets alone. And this is the kind of, you know, strategic advantage that we will unlock in the course of business.
Speaker #2: So, AdColony is meaningful, and it will just happen in the normal course of business. It's not that we have to invest any, you know, humongous amount of ongoing capital.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: It's not that we have to invest any humongous amount of ongoing capital. I see this as organic unlock of value, by utilizing this technology and brand asset that we've acquired.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: It's not that we have to invest any humongous amount of ongoing capital. I see this as organic unlock of value, by utilizing this technology and brand asset that we've acquired.
Speaker #2: So, I see this as, you know, organic unlock of value by utilizing this technology and brand assets that we have acquired.
Vijay Jain: Understood. Thanks, Anuj. My next question is, you said in your opening remarks that global ad budgets in general, and I'm guessing this is more specific to you guys, where you operate, is growing faster in DM than in EM right now. Is that understanding correct? Is that what you were alluding to? Would be great to understand why you think that is happening. That's my second question, I'll follow up with the last question after that.
Vijit Jain: Understood. Thanks, Anuj. My next question is, you said in your opening remarks that global ad budgets in general, and I'm guessing this is more specific to you guys, where you operate, is growing faster in DM than in EM right now. Is that understanding correct? Is that what you were alluding to? Would be great to understand why you think that is happening. That's my second question, I'll follow up with the last question after that.
Speaker #4: Understood. Thanks, Anuj. Quickly, next question is, you said in your opening remarks that global ad budgets in general—and I'm guessing this is more specific to you guys, where you operate—are growing faster in developed markets than in emerging markets right now.
Speaker #4: I mean, is that understanding correct? Is that what you were alluding to? And, it would be great to understand why you think that is happening.
Speaker #4: That's my second question, and I'll follow up with the last question after that.
Speaker #2: I think, for us, India and emerging markets will, you know, continue to to grow. you know, meaningfully in a sustained way. we don't see you know, you know, any challenge in that.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I think, for us, India and emerging markets will continue to grow meaningfully in a sustained way. We don't see any challenge in that. In fact, we're very bullish about it. In terms of DMs, what we are saying is that with organic as well as inorganic investments that we are making, we will calibrate up because in developed markets, if you look at the total ad spend in the world, developed markets would easily take more than 50% of the share of the ad budgets that are getting allocated or spent in those markets. It's the size of the markets and the economies. Therefore, what we are saying is that we are also looking at investing towards that and capturing more of those advertising budget mix for ourselves because we are a global player.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I think, for us, India and emerging markets will continue to grow meaningfully in a sustained way. We don't see any challenge in that. In fact, we're very bullish about it. In terms of DMs, what we are saying is that with organic as well as inorganic investments that we are making, we will calibrate up because in developed markets, if you look at the total ad spend in the world, developed markets would easily take more than 50% of the share of the ad budgets that are getting allocated or spent in those markets. It's the size of the markets and the economies. Therefore, what we are saying is that we are also looking at investing towards that and capturing more of those advertising budget mix for ourselves because we are a global player.
Speaker #2: In fact, you know, we're very bullish about it. In terms of DMs, what we are saying is that with organic as well as inorganic investments that we are making, we will calibrate up, because in developed markets, if you look at the total ad spend in the world, developed markets would easily take more than 50% of the share of the ad budgets that are getting allocated or spent in those markets.
Speaker #2: It's the size of the markets and the economies. And therefore, what we are saying is that we are also looking at investing towards that and capturing more of those advertising budget mix for ourselves, because we are a global player.
Speaker #2: And when we work with our advertisers, we want, you know, a meaningful percentage of that wallet share. So it is our ambition to get to that.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: When we work with our advertisers, we want a meaningful percentage of that wallet share. It is our ambition to get to that. The most effective and efficient path in terms of capital allocation and value creation is what we are going to be navigating towards, both organically and inorganically. I think AdColony acquisition is one very clear evidence of that, right? Because it's super efficient. Had we acquired it in 2020, 2021, we would have paid $400 million for it. We have been very prudent. We have waited. We are very patient, we have taken the assets that we value, which we know that we can unlock value with. DMs is clearly a focus area and huge runway for unlocking long-term growth, right?
Anuj Khanna Sohum: When we work with our advertisers, we want a meaningful percentage of that wallet share. It is our ambition to get to that. The most effective and efficient path in terms of capital allocation and value creation is what we are going to be navigating towards, both organically and inorganically. I think AdColony acquisition is one very clear evidence of that, right? Because it's super efficient. Had we acquired it in 2020, 2021, we would have paid $400 million for it. We have been very prudent. We have waited. We are very patient, we have taken the assets that we value, which we know that we can unlock value with. DMs is clearly a focus area and huge runway for unlocking long-term growth, right?
Speaker #2: And the most effective and efficient path in terms of capital allocation and value creation is what we are going to be navigating towards, both organically and inorganically.
Speaker #2: And I think the AdColony acquisition is one very clear evidence of that, right? Because it's super efficient. I mean, had we acquired it in 2020 or 2021, we would have paid $400 million for it.
Speaker #2: But we have been very prudent. We have waited. We are very patient, and we have taken the assets that we value—assets which we know we can unlock value with.
Speaker #2: And again, so DMS is clearly a focus area, and there's a huge runway for unlocking long-term growth, right? Next 5 to 10 years, I think, because our base is still small, so we can grow fast.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Next five to 10 years, I think, because our base is still small, we can grow fast. There is a long way to go there because we are still small. The addressable market is very large in developed markets, that's what we are highlighting there. In emerging markets, we have great competitive advantage in India and other emerging markets, I think most of the competitors are finding it hard to keep up with us.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Next five to 10 years, I think, because our base is still small, we can grow fast. There is a long way to go there because we are still small. The addressable market is very large in developed markets, that's what we are highlighting there. In emerging markets, we have great competitive advantage in India and other emerging markets, I think most of the competitors are finding it hard to keep up with us.
Speaker #2: And there is a long, long way to go there because we are still small. The addressable market is very, very large in developed markets, and that's what we are highlighting here.
Speaker #2: In emerging markets, we have a great competitive advantage in India and other emerging markets, and I think most of the competitors are finding it hard to keep up with us.
Speaker #4: Understood. Thank you. My last question—so, you know, in general, now we're seeing the ad tech industry, you guys, as well as the larger players, everyone building out AI and agentic AI in their digital ad products.
Vijay Jain: Understood. Thank you. My last question. In general, now we're seeing ad tech industry, you guys as well, as well as the larger guys, everyone build out AI and agentic AI in their digital ad product. Would like to understand how have, in general, cost of data assets moved in response to that. I can see when I look at the broader industry, some of the walled gardens, like on the social media side, have reported higher yields in general on their ads whereas other large platforms are seeing a lot of competitive pressures. Some of the open web platforms, specifically like The Trade Desk, have clearly seen a lot of competitive pressures. In general, for you, as a player in this ecosystem, in DM markets especially, how have these costs moved? Is there any advantage or opportunity specifically seen from that?
Vijit Jain: Understood. Thank you. My last question. In general, now we're seeing ad tech industry, you guys as well, as well as the larger guys, everyone build out AI and agentic AI in their digital ad product. Would like to understand how have, in general, cost of data assets moved in response to that. I can see when I look at the broader industry, some of the walled gardens, like on the social media side, have reported higher yields in general on their ads whereas other large platforms are seeing a lot of competitive pressures. Some of the open web platforms, specifically like The Trade Desk, have clearly seen a lot of competitive pressures. In general, for you, as a player in this ecosystem, in DM markets especially, how have these costs moved? Is there any advantage or opportunity specifically seen from that?
Speaker #4: I would like to understand, you know, how have, in general, the cost of data assets moved in response to that? I can see, when I look at the broader industry, some of the walled gardens, like on the social media side, have reported higher yields.
Speaker #4: In general, on their ads, whereas other large platforms are seeing a lot of competitive pressures. And, you know, some of the open web platforms, specifically like Trade Desk, have clearly seen a lot of competitive pressure.
Speaker #4: So in general, for you as a player in this ecosystem—in DM markets especially—how have these costs moved? And is there any advantage or opportunity you specifically see from that?
Speaker #2: I can tell you, you know, this—you asked a very tactical question, you know, related to costs and so on. But, you know, I would like to tell you that the essence of what's happening with AI is way more strategic and impactful.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I can tell you this. You asked a very tactical question related to costs and so on. I would like to tell you that the essence of what's happening with AI is way more strategic and impactful. If you look at the discourse I made specifically around autonomous agentic intelligent connected devices, I think I've mentioned very clearly that what are we talking about? For example, mobile phone is a device which works with human input, right? You have to click and touch and do something to make it work. It has agentic intelligence in it. You can have AI agents inside your mobile device assisting you in your human experience in what you're doing. You will also have autonomous intelligent devices. For example, a smart TV, as we call it today.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I can tell you this. You asked a very tactical question related to costs and so on. I would like to tell you that the essence of what's happening with AI is way more strategic and impactful. If you look at the discourse I made specifically around autonomous agentic intelligent connected devices, I think I've mentioned very clearly that what are we talking about? For example, mobile phone is a device which works with human input, right? You have to click and touch and do something to make it work. It has agentic intelligence in it. You can have AI agents inside your mobile device assisting you in your human experience in what you're doing. You will also have autonomous intelligent devices. For example, a smart TV, as we call it today.
Speaker #2: If you look at the discourse I made, specifically around autonomous, agentic, intelligent, connected devices, I think I've mentioned very clearly what we are talking about.
Speaker #2: We're saying that these are, like, for example, a mobile phone is a device which works with, you know, human input, right? I mean, you, you, you, you, you have to, you know, click and touch and do something to make it work.
Speaker #2: But what we're gonna see is that it has agentic intelligence in it. You can have AI agents inside your mobile device, assisting you in your human experience and what you're doing.
Speaker #2: But you will also have autonomous intelligent devices. For example, a se a a smart TV, as we call it today, you know, is, you know, is smart, is context aware, who's watching it, who's, you know, what kind of content should be shown.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: It's smart, it's context-aware, who's watching it, what kind of content should be shown. It will become even more autonomous. It will become even more agentic intelligent. You would see vehicles becoming more autonomous and having agentic intelligence. You'll see screens outside homes, in retail stores, not just being smart screens and showing content, but perhaps having the screen could have a camera where they're seeing who's coming, and if it is a sports person who's walking nearby, the kind of content it would show would be different from if it was an older person or an adolescent walking by. I think a lot of screens and a lot of digital connected devices will see autonomous agentic intelligence.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: It's smart, it's context-aware, who's watching it, what kind of content should be shown. It will become even more autonomous. It will become even more agentic intelligent. You would see vehicles becoming more autonomous and having agentic intelligence. You'll see screens outside homes, in retail stores, not just being smart screens and showing content, but perhaps having the screen could have a camera where they're seeing who's coming, and if it is a sports person who's walking nearby, the kind of content it would show would be different from if it was an older person or an adolescent walking by. I think a lot of screens and a lot of digital connected devices will see autonomous agentic intelligence.
Speaker #2: But it will become even more autonomous. It will become even more agentic, intelligent. You know, you would see vehicles becoming more autonomous, and it's having agentic intelligence.
Speaker #2: You'll see screens outside homes, in retail stores—you know, not just being smart screens and showing content, but you know, perhaps the screen could have a camera where they're seeing who's coming.
Speaker #2: And if it is a, you know, a sports person who's walking nearby, the kind of content it would show would be different from, let's say, if it was an older person or a or a or an adolescent walking by.
Speaker #2: So I think there's a lot of screens and a lot of digital, you know, a lot of, you know, connected devices, digital connected devices, will see autonomous agentic intelligence.
Speaker #2: And that's the kind of AI disruption that we are seeing, which we are working towards. We are making sure that our innovations and patent portfolio are covering all of that—not just in emerging markets like India, but also in developed markets, where we have covered those patents.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: That's the kind of AI disruption that we are seeing, which we are working towards, and we are making sure that our innovations and patent portfolio is covering all of that, not just in emerging markets like India, but also in developed markets where we have covered those patents. We are looking at also in the case of AI, a lot of times people are using AI as an automation tool. All right? I think that is where it comes with either cost saving or what is the cost-benefit analysis of that. I think that's very basic and it's very tactical and it's a no-brainer. Anything that you can automate with AI, you should absolutely go ahead and do that. I think what we're talking about is much further ahead in terms of human versus non-human content. What is getting created by humans?
Anuj Khanna Sohum: That's the kind of AI disruption that we are seeing, which we are working towards, and we are making sure that our innovations and patent portfolio is covering all of that, not just in emerging markets like India, but also in developed markets where we have covered those patents. We are looking at also in the case of AI, a lot of times people are using AI as an automation tool. All right? I think that is where it comes with either cost saving or what is the cost-benefit analysis of that. I think that's very basic and it's very tactical and it's a no-brainer. Anything that you can automate with AI, you should absolutely go ahead and do that. I think what we're talking about is much further ahead in terms of human versus non-human content. What is getting created by humans?
Speaker #2: And then, we are looking at, also in the case of AI, I see a lot of times people are using AI as an automation tool.
Speaker #2: All right? And I think that is where it comes in with either cost savings or what is the cost-benefit analysis of AI. I think that's very basic, and it's very tactical.
Speaker #2: And it's a no-brainer, you know? So, anything that you can automate with AI, you should absolutely go ahead and do that. But I think what we're talking about is much further ahead in terms of human versus non-human content.
Speaker #2: What is being created by humans? What is being created by AI? Are you showing an ad to a human? Are you showing an ad to an AI?
Anuj Khanna Sohum: What is getting created by AI? Are you showing an ad to a human? Are you showing an ad to an AI? Are you showing an ad on a content created by a human, or are you showing an ad on a content created by AI? I think those kind of human versus non-human data distillation technology, that is something that will be a key differentiation. We are already not only working towards that, but ring-fencing the IP. I think my answer to you is that we are seeing a lot of advantage and we are keeping ourselves future-proofed and future-ready with respect to AI at a very strategic and a very deep level.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: What is getting created by AI? Are you showing an ad to a human? Are you showing an ad to an AI? Are you showing an ad on a content created by a human, or are you showing an ad on a content created by AI? I think those kind of human versus non-human data distillation technology, that is something that will be a key differentiation. We are already not only working towards that, but ring-fencing the IP. I think my answer to you is that we are seeing a lot of advantage and we are keeping ourselves future-proofed and future-ready with respect to AI at a very strategic and a very deep level.
Speaker #2: Are you showing an ad, on a content created by a human? Or are you showing an ad on a content created by AI? And I think those kind of human versus non-human data distillation technology, that is something that will be a key differentiation.
Speaker #2: And we are already not only working towards that, but ring-fencing the right way. So I think my answer to you is that we are seeing a lot of advantage.
Speaker #2: And we are keeping ourselves future-proofed and future-ready with respect to AI at a very strategic, at a very deep level.
Speaker #4: Understood. Thank you so much. Those were super helpful answers. I'll jump back into the queue.
Vijay Jain: Understood. Thank you so much. Those were super helpful answers. Let me jump back into the queue.
Vijit Jain: Understood. Thank you so much. Those were super helpful answers. Let me jump back into the queue.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Deepak Saha from Ashika Institutional Equities. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #5: Yeah, thanks for the opportunity, and congratulations on a great set of numbers. I have just one question here. If we look at last week in the US, one of the FSPs reported their numbers.
Deepak Saha: Hi. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on great set of numbers. I have just one question, sir. We've seen last week in US, one of the offices have reported their numbers. CTV is growing quite rapidly, almost 45% and 46%, and the commentary around CTV is very strong. We see your CTV very interesting case study for the CTV conversion on Domino's, right? Just trying to understand the unit economics for CTV and our broader strategy for CTV because the base would be relatively smaller on the CTV channel. How are we seeing CTV as a space grow? That's all from my end.
Dipak Saha: Hi. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on great set of numbers. I have just one question, sir. We've seen last week in US, one of the offices have reported their numbers. CTV is growing quite rapidly, almost 45% and 46%, and the commentary around CTV is very strong. We see your CTV very interesting case study for the CTV conversion on Domino's, right? Just trying to understand the unit economics for CTV and our broader strategy for CTV because the base would be relatively smaller on the CTV channel. How are we seeing CTV as a space grow? That's all from my end.
Speaker #5: And CTV is growing quite rapidly, almost 45–46%. And the commentary around CTV is very strong. And if we see your PPT, there's a very interesting case study for the CTV conversion on Domino's, right?
Speaker #5: So that’s trying to understand the unit economics for CTV, and our broader strategy for CTV, because the base would be relatively smaller on the CTV channel.
Speaker #5: And how are we seeing CTV as a space of growth? That's also my answer.
Speaker #2: Thanks for that question. I—I know which, you know, SSP you're talking about. And, quite frankly, I'm not particularly impressed by any channel-specific commentary.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. I know which SSP you're talking about. Quite frankly, I'm not particularly impressed by any channel-specific commentary. If you look at Affle, one of the biggest differentiations and competitive differentiation that our platform offers is that we are a consumer platform. Now, what do I mean by consumer platform? It means that we are a consumer-centric platform, which is mapping and ensuring that we are engaging with the consumer across the entirety of the connected devices that this consumer is engaging through his journey, which includes mobile. The same consumer who's on his mobile phone may also be watching the CTV at their own home. The same consumer might move out of their home and go to their car and may have another, either an autonomous or an agentic intelligent connected device in their car.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. I know which SSP you're talking about. Quite frankly, I'm not particularly impressed by any channel-specific commentary. If you look at Affle, one of the biggest differentiations and competitive differentiation that our platform offers is that we are a consumer platform. Now, what do I mean by consumer platform? It means that we are a consumer-centric platform, which is mapping and ensuring that we are engaging with the consumer across the entirety of the connected devices that this consumer is engaging through his journey, which includes mobile. The same consumer who's on his mobile phone may also be watching the CTV at their own home. The same consumer might move out of their home and go to their car and may have another, either an autonomous or an agentic intelligent connected device in their car.
Speaker #2: If you look at Apple, one of the biggest differentiations and competitive, you know, differentiation that our platform offers is that we are a consumer platform.
Speaker #2: Now, what do I mean by consumer platform? It means that we are a consumer-centric platform, which is mapping and ensuring that we are engaging with the consumer across the entirety of the connected devices that this consumer is engaging through his journey, which includes mobile.
Speaker #2: And the same consumer who's on his mobile phone may also be watching the CTV at their own home. The same consumer might move out of their home and go to their car and may have another, either an autonomous or an agentic intelligent connected device in their car.
Speaker #2: And that same consumer may go into a, you know, a pharmacy for a healthcare-related issue, or to a retail store to just do their usual grocery kind of shopping in a physical sense, and may have another screen that they engage with there.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: That same consumer may go into a pharmacy for a healthcare-related issue or to a retail store to just do their usual grocery kind of shopping in a physical sense, and may have another screen that they engage with there. These are called AICDs, which is autonomous or agentic intelligent connected devices. When we, as a consumer platform, look at a Mr. Consumer with whom we want to drive a conversion, we can show this user an ad on a mobile screen, on a CTV or other AICDs, right? Drive one efficient conversion with this consumer for our advertiser, which could be looking at branding and driving offline conversions, or it could be an online performance and driving online conversion. This is what we are doing.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: That same consumer may go into a pharmacy for a healthcare-related issue or to a retail store to just do their usual grocery kind of shopping in a physical sense, and may have another screen that they engage with there. These are called AICDs, which is autonomous or agentic intelligent connected devices. When we, as a consumer platform, look at a Mr. Consumer with whom we want to drive a conversion, we can show this user an ad on a mobile screen, on a CTV or other AICDs, right? Drive one efficient conversion with this consumer for our advertiser, which could be looking at branding and driving offline conversions, or it could be an online performance and driving online conversion. This is what we are doing.
Speaker #2: So these are called AI CDs, which is autonomous or agentic intelligent connected devices. So when we, as a consumer platform, look at, "A, Mr. Consumer, with whom we want to drive a conversion," we can show this user an ad on a mobile screen, on a CTV, or other AI CDs, right?
Speaker #2: And drive, one, efficient conversion with this consumer for our advertiser, which could be looking at, you know, branding and driving offline conversions, or it could be online performance and driving online conversion.
Speaker #2: This is what we are doing. Now, in terms of how the consumer attention is moving between mobile, CTV, and other devices, we believe that the advertising budget, or the number of impressions, or the amount of engagement that we want from the consumer on those devices should be directly proportional to the consumer's own attention on those devices, right?
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Now, in terms of how the consumer attention is moving between mobile, CTV and other devices, we believe that the advertising budget or the advertising, the number of impressions or the amount of engagement that we want from the consumer on those devices should be directly proportional to the consumer's own attention on those devices, right? Where we get maximum, let's say, attention to conversion ratios. At the moment, CTV is showing very positive engagement with our consumers. The case study that we, for example, showed there was driving conversion-first CTV and cross-screen capabilities, and that's what I mentioned in our conversion-first focus case study. CTV working with smart, let's say, QR codes or other engagement models with mobile phones driving conversions, that methodology we have.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Now, in terms of how the consumer attention is moving between mobile, CTV and other devices, we believe that the advertising budget or the advertising, the number of impressions or the amount of engagement that we want from the consumer on those devices should be directly proportional to the consumer's own attention on those devices, right? Where we get maximum, let's say, attention to conversion ratios. At the moment, CTV is showing very positive engagement with our consumers. The case study that we, for example, showed there was driving conversion-first CTV and cross-screen capabilities, and that's what I mentioned in our conversion-first focus case study. CTV working with smart, let's say, QR codes or other engagement models with mobile phones driving conversions, that methodology we have.
Speaker #2: And where we get maximum, let's say, conversions—attention to conversion ratios—and at the moment, CTV is showing very, very positive engagement with our consumers.
Speaker #2: So, the case study that we, for example, showed there was driving a conversion-first CTV and cross-screen capabilities. And that's what I mentioned is, you know, in our conversion-first-focused case study.
Speaker #2: And CTV working with smart, let's say, QR codes or other engagement models with mobile phones, driving conversions—that’s the methodology we have. Now, these, you know, other companies which are not having a consumer platform-based approach, you know, they are just selling inventory at a particular touchpoint.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Now, these other companies which are not having a consumer platform-based approach, they are just selling inventory at a particular touch point. I think that business is, in my opinion, commoditized, they are selling whatever a buyer is asking for and trying to make their margin on it. I'm glad they are making some money for now. I think the core difference in our approach is that we are consumer-centric, if the consumer is spending more time on CTV and we can drive conversions from there, Affle is absolutely on it. We are conversion centric, which channel do we show an ad on, whether it's mobile, CTV or other AICDs, I think that will be algorithm-dependent from our side. We are seeing good outcomes at the moment with CTV and combination on mobile.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Now, these other companies which are not having a consumer platform-based approach, they are just selling inventory at a particular touch point. I think that business is, in my opinion, commoditized, they are selling whatever a buyer is asking for and trying to make their margin on it. I'm glad they are making some money for now. I think the core difference in our approach is that we are consumer-centric, if the consumer is spending more time on CTV and we can drive conversions from there, Affle is absolutely on it. We are conversion centric, which channel do we show an ad on, whether it's mobile, CTV or other AICDs, I think that will be algorithm-dependent from our side. We are seeing good outcomes at the moment with CTV and combination on mobile.
Speaker #2: And I think that business is, in my opinion, commoditized. And they are selling whatever, you know, a buyer is asking for, and trying to make their margin on it.
Speaker #2: And I'm glad they are making some money for now. But I think the core difference in our approach is that we are consumer-centric. And if the consumer is spending more time on CTV, and we can drive conversions from there, then Apple is absolutely on it.
Speaker #2: But, you know, we are conversion-centric. And which channel do we show an ad on—whether it's mobile, CTV, or other AI CDPs—I think that will be algorithm-dependent from our side.
Speaker #2: But we are seeing good outcomes at the moment, with CTV and combination on mobile.
Speaker #5: Oh, that's pretty good. So just one quick follow-up here. On the developed market side, if you can help us understand CTV unit economics—my understanding is it would be fairly higher.
Deepak Saha: That's been helpful. Just one quick follow-up, sir, on the developed markets side, if you can help us understand the CPC unit economics. My understanding is it would be fairly higher, that margin may stay more or less same, the absolute flow through would be relatively higher. Is it the right way to think about it?
Dipak Saha: That's been helpful. Just one quick follow-up, sir, on the developed markets side, if you can help us understand the CPC unit economics. My understanding is it would be fairly higher, that margin may stay more or less same, the absolute flow through would be relatively higher. Is it the right way to think about it?
Speaker #5: But at the margin level, say, more or less 10%. But the absolute flow-through would be relatively higher. Is that the right way to think about it?
Speaker #2: Yes, it is the right way to think about it – that, you know, the kind of, the volumes that we are dealing with in terms of the Apple servers, our consumer platform stack at the back end, because we are, you know, globally anchored on emerging markets in a strong way.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Yes, it is the right way to think about it. The kind of volumes that we are dealing with in terms of the Affle servers, our consumer platform stack at the back end, because we are globally anchored on emerging markets in a strong way, now we are calibrating up in developed markets as well. The volume of business and the volume of traffic that we are dealing with for the level of revenue that you see is much higher. I would say it's five times higher because in emerging markets, there are a lot more users, a lot more connected devices connecting. Whereas in developed markets, you get paid more for less level of activity, right? In terms of our competitive advantage, we are seeing two things.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Yes, it is the right way to think about it. The kind of volumes that we are dealing with in terms of the Affle servers, our consumer platform stack at the back end, because we are globally anchored on emerging markets in a strong way, now we are calibrating up in developed markets as well. The volume of business and the volume of traffic that we are dealing with for the level of revenue that you see is much higher. I would say it's five times higher because in emerging markets, there are a lot more users, a lot more connected devices connecting. Whereas in developed markets, you get paid more for less level of activity, right? In terms of our competitive advantage, we are seeing two things.
Speaker #2: And now we are calibrating up in developed markets as well. The volume of business and the volume of traffic that we are dealing with, for the level of revenue that you see, is much higher.
Speaker #2: I would say it's five times higher because in emerging markets, there are a lot more users and a lot more connected devices, connecting. Whereas in developed markets, you get paid more for a lower level of activity, right?
Speaker #2: So, in terms of our competitive advantage, we are seeing two things. One, we are able to run, you know, almost a 22% to 23% EBITDA business with an anchoring on emerging markets, which is extremely hard to do, given the volume of activity that we have to deal with, and the unit economics are harsher.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: One, we are able to run almost a 22%, 23% EBITDA business with an anchoring on emerging markets, which is extremely hard to do, given the volume of activity that we have to deal with the unit economics are harsher. When we go to developed markets, I mean, the math is slightly different, it is to our competitive advantage in favor because our technology stack is dealing with great efficiencies and a much larger volume of data that we are able to filter, distill, and manage well. When we go to developed markets, we are seeing better unit economics in that sense. I won't go into the exact margin profile and the CPCU numbers, it would be sufficient to say that it is an easier journey for us in developed markets versus what we have been used to in terms of unit economics of emerging markets.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: One, we are able to run almost a 22%, 23% EBITDA business with an anchoring on emerging markets, which is extremely hard to do, given the volume of activity that we have to deal with the unit economics are harsher. When we go to developed markets, I mean, the math is slightly different, it is to our competitive advantage in favor because our technology stack is dealing with great efficiencies and a much larger volume of data that we are able to filter, distill, and manage well. When we go to developed markets, we are seeing better unit economics in that sense. I won't go into the exact margin profile and the CPCU numbers, it would be sufficient to say that it is an easier journey for us in developed markets versus what we have been used to in terms of unit economics of emerging markets.
Speaker #2: When we go to developed markets, I mean, the math is slightly different. But it is to our comparative advantage, because our technology stack is dealing with great efficiencies.
Speaker #2: And a much larger volume of data that we are able to filter, distill, and manage well. So, when we go to developed markets, we are seeing better unit economics in that sense.
Speaker #2: I won't go into the exact margin profile and the CPC numbers, but it would be sufficient to say that it is an easier journey for us in developed markets versus what we have been used to in terms of unit economics of emerging markets.
Speaker #5: Oh, that's really helpful. Thank you, and all the best for the upcoming quarter. Thank you.
Deepak Saha: That's really helpful. Thank you and all the best for the upcoming quarter. Thank you.
Dipak Saha: That's really helpful. Thank you and all the best for the upcoming quarter. Thank you.
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Speaker #6: Hi team, thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a good set of numbers. Anuj, on the broader global industry today, are you seeing any early signs of an impact from slowing smartphone adoption globally, as high memory prices take device costs higher?
Kavish Parekh: Hi, team. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a good set of numbers. Anuj, on the broader global industry today, are you seeing any early signs of an impact from slowing smartphone adoption globally, as high memory prices take device costs higher? Are you witnessing any sort of moderation in the incremental device additions that you typically record each quarter or any impact on replacement cycles across your key markets? That's my first question.
Kavish Parekh: Hi, team. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a good set of numbers. Anuj, on the broader global industry today, are you seeing any early signs of an impact from slowing smartphone adoption globally, as high memory prices take device costs higher? Are you witnessing any sort of moderation in the incremental device additions that you typically record each quarter or any impact on replacement cycles across your key markets? That's my first question.
Speaker #6: Are you witnessing any sort of moderation in the incremental device additions that you typically record each quarter, or any impact on replacement cycles across your key markets?
Speaker #6: That's, that's my first question.
Speaker #2: So thanks for that question. No, we are not seeing any impact. I think what, what we are seeing instead is, you know, a lot more time that the consumers are spending per, per consumer per device on, you know, the, the time spent on digital content consumption is actually going up.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. No, we are not seeing any impact. I think what we are seeing instead is a lot more time that the consumers are spending per consumer, per device. The time spent on digital content consumption is actually going up across the board, across markets. I think this trend would continue. Now, we don't really look at whether the device is necessarily a new device or an old device. I think what we're looking at is the consumer's attention and the time spent. In terms of just purely number of devices, I think with connected devices, with mobile devices, we are seeing a steady sort of consistent number and pattern without any particular sort of deviation versus what you said.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. No, we are not seeing any impact. I think what we are seeing instead is a lot more time that the consumers are spending per consumer, per device. The time spent on digital content consumption is actually going up across the board, across markets. I think this trend would continue. Now, we don't really look at whether the device is necessarily a new device or an old device. I think what we're looking at is the consumer's attention and the time spent. In terms of just purely number of devices, I think with connected devices, with mobile devices, we are seeing a steady sort of consistent number and pattern without any particular sort of deviation versus what you said.
Speaker #2: The, the, across the board, across markets, and I think this trend would continue. Now, you know, we don't really look at whether the device is necessarily a new device or an old device.
Speaker #2: you know, I think what we're looking at is the consumer's attention and the time spent. So in terms of, you know, just purely number of devices, I think with connected devices, with, mobile devices, we are, we are seeing a steady sort of, you know, consistent number and pattern without any, you know, particular sort of deviation versus what you said.
Speaker #2: It could also be that, hey, some of the people, instead of buying a new device, are going for a second-hand device or just not upgrading, or keeping their phone active.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: It could also be that, hey, some of the people instead of buying a new device are going for a secondhand device or just not upgrading or keeping their phone active. I think we are seeing a number of connected devices following a consistent pattern. There's no impact at this moment, at least on all the data that we look at.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: It could also be that, hey, some of the people instead of buying a new device are going for a secondhand device or just not upgrading or keeping their phone active. I think we are seeing a number of connected devices following a consistent pattern. There's no impact at this moment, at least on all the data that we look at.
Speaker #2: So I think we are seeing the number of connected devices following a consistent pattern, and there's no impact at this moment, at least on all the data that we look at.
Speaker #6: Understood. Second question, Kapil: CFO to EBITDA conversion was relatively weak this quarter at about 41%. You did allude earlier that we also saw a couple of quarters of weak cash conversion last year as well.
Kavish Parekh: Understood. Second question, Kapil, CFO to EBITDA conversion was relatively weak this quarter at about 41%. You did allude earlier that we also saw a couple of quarters of weak cash conversion last year as well, and that subsequently normalized by year-end. Can you just dive a bit deeper into what drove this weak conversion in Q1 2027? Is this an active call to deepen penetration across certain geographies or verticals? Does it pertain to that?
Kavish Parekh: Understood. Second question, Kapil, CFO to EBITDA conversion was relatively weak this quarter at about 41%. You did allude earlier that we also saw a couple of quarters of weak cash conversion last year as well, and that subsequently normalized by year-end. Can you just dive a bit deeper into what drove this weak conversion in Q1 2027? Is this an active call to deepen penetration across certain geographies or verticals? Does it pertain to that?
Speaker #6: And that subsequently normalized by year-end. So, can we just dive a bit deeper into what drove this weak conversion in Q1 '27? Is this an active call to deepen penetration across certain geographies or verticals?
Speaker #6: Does it pertain to that?
Speaker #5: No, it's just the flow of the funds. If I had a 110% OCF to CAD ratio, that means I collected about 40–45 crores in operating cash flows in the month of March, right?
Kapil Bhutani: No. It's just the flow of the funds. If I had 110% OCF to PAT ratio, that means I collected about INR 40, 45 crores operating cash flows in the month of March, right, ahead of the year-end. When you are left with less receivables to be collected over the next 90 days or 80 days, these get affected, right? You have that up-fronting of the cash flows, right? This will get normalized when we go into Q2 and Q3. You will see about 80% to 85% OCF to PAT ratio by Q3.
Kapil Bhutani: No. It's just the flow of the funds. If I had 110% OCF to PAT ratio, that means I collected about INR 40, 45 crores operating cash flows in the month of March, right, ahead of the year-end. When you are left with less receivables to be collected over the next 90 days or 80 days, these get affected, right? You have that up-fronting of the cash flows, right? This will get normalized when we go into Q2 and Q3. You will see about 80% to 85% OCF to PAT ratio by Q3.
Speaker #5: Ahead of the year-end, when you are left with fewer receivables to be collected over the next 90 days or 80 days, these get affected, right?
Speaker #5: So you had an upfronting of the cash flows, right? So this will get normalized. When we go into quarter two and quarter three, you will see about an 80–85 percent OCF to CAD ratio by quarter three.
Speaker #6: Got it. And lastly, on the strong growth and margin performance, could you help us understand the impact of currency movements on this quarter, and maybe the last few quarters?
Kavish Parekh: Got it. Lastly, on the strong growth in margin performance, could you help us understand the impact of currency movements on this quarter and maybe the last few quarters? What part of our cost base is dollar-denominated, and how did the US dollar movement affect revenues and costs? How much did it contribute to the reported growth? Costs other than data and inventory seem to be fairly in control, despite part of it being impacted by US dollar. Some clarity on this would be great.
Kavish Parekh: Got it. Lastly, on the strong growth in margin performance, could you help us understand the impact of currency movements on this quarter and maybe the last few quarters? What part of our cost base is dollar-denominated, and how did the US dollar movement affect revenues and costs? How much did it contribute to the reported growth? Costs other than data and inventory seem to be fairly in control, despite part of it being impacted by US dollar. Some clarity on this would be great.
Speaker #6: What part of our cost base is dollar-denominated, and how did the dollar movement affect revenues and costs? How much did it contribute to the reported growth?
Speaker #6: Costs, other than data and inventory, seem to be fairly in control, despite part of it being impacted by the dollar. So, some clarity on this would be great.
Speaker #5: So, as I mentioned in my commentary, right, this quarter had a stable USD to various currencies, right? Not only INR. So we didn't see any impact, additional impact.
Kapil Bhutani: As I mentioned in my commentary, this quarter had a stable USD to various currencies, not only INR. We didn't see any additional impact what we had in Q4 or Q3, when there was a spike in the USD to other currencies. 72% of our business is largely coming from emerging markets and India, and where we have other cross-currencies ROIs to be guaranteed or promised to the clients. You need to adjust to the CPC rates because the billing may happen in dollar, but you will need to adjust it to the ROIs required in their local currencies also. Only 20% of our business of US is dollar to dollar, and rest is, you have to adjust the CPC rates to the ROIs promised.
Kapil Bhutani: As I mentioned in my commentary, this quarter had a stable USD to various currencies, not only INR. We didn't see any additional impact what we had in Q4 or Q3, when there was a spike in the USD to other currencies. 72% of our business is largely coming from emerging markets and India, and where we have other cross-currencies ROIs to be guaranteed or promised to the clients. You need to adjust to the CPC rates because the billing may happen in dollar, but you will need to adjust it to the ROIs required in their local currencies also. Only 20% of our business of US is dollar to dollar, and rest is, you have to adjust the CPC rates to the ROIs promised.
Speaker #5: What we had in Q4 or Q3, right, when there was a spike in the USD to other currencies, 72% of our business is largely coming from emerging markets.
Speaker #5: And India, and where we have other cross-currency ROIs to be guaranteed or promised to be clients. So you need to adjust the CPC rates because the billing may happen in dollars, but you will need to adjust it to the ROIs required in their local currencies also.
Speaker #5: Right? So only 20% of our business in the US is dollar-to-dollar, and the rest, you have to adjust the CPC rates to the ROIs promised.
Speaker #5: We are not a service company, where we can have a manpower rate and convert all the revenues into dollars. It's an ROI-based, CPC-based business, where you need to calibrate the cross-currency ROIs for the clients.
Kapil Bhutani: We are not a service company where you can have a manpower rate and then converting all the revenues in dollar. It's a ROI-based, CPC-based business, where you need to calibrate the cross-currency ROIs for the clients. We had a steep increase in the US currency rates across last quarter, and that affected our take rate, or you can say the inventory cost in the previous Q4. This quarter, you can see sequentially, we were largely flattish because the dollar movements were not that steep.
Kapil Bhutani: We are not a service company where you can have a manpower rate and then converting all the revenues in dollar. It's a ROI-based, CPC-based business, where you need to calibrate the cross-currency ROIs for the clients. We had a steep increase in the US currency rates across last quarter, and that affected our take rate, or you can say the inventory cost in the previous Q4. This quarter, you can see sequentially, we were largely flattish because the dollar movements were not that steep.
Speaker #5: So, we had a steep increase in the US currency rates across last quarter, and that affected our— the take rate, or you can say the inventory cost, in the previous quarter, Q4.
Speaker #5: This quarter, you can see sequentially, we have a largely flattish trend because the dollar movements were not that steep.
Speaker #6: Karl, thanks for that. Yeah, thanks for that. All the very best.
Kavish Parekh: Got it. Thanks for that. Thanks for that. All the very best.
Kavish Parekh: Got it. Thanks for that. Thanks for that. All the very best.
Speaker #1: Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Anmol Garg from DAM Capital. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Anmol Garg from DAM Capital. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Anmol Garg from DAM Capital. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Yeah, hi. Thanks for the opportunity. I had a couple of questions. firstly, you know, I'm if we look at in terms of increasing penetration in developed markets, which are the key areas industry we want to, target, through our organic or our inorganic route?
Anmol Garg: Yeah, hi. Thanks for the opportunity. I had a couple of questions. Firstly, Anmol, if we look at in terms of increasing penetration in developed markets, which are the key areas industry you want to target through organic or inorganic route? In addition to that, given that that market is relatively more mature, do you think that it can have an overall impact on our growth rates going forward? Given that in this quarter, if you look at ex of currency, our developed market growth will be on a year-on-year level, maybe in the range of 11% to 12%. Is that market relatively slowing growth overall? Will, as we sort of increase our presence over there, can it affect our overall growth rates?
Anmol Garg: Yeah, hi. Thanks for the opportunity. I had a couple of questions. Firstly, Anmol, if we look at in terms of increasing penetration in developed markets, which are the key areas industry you want to target through organic or inorganic route? In addition to that, given that that market is relatively more mature, do you think that it can have an overall impact on our growth rates going forward? Given that in this quarter, if you look at ex of currency, our developed market growth will be on a year-on-year level, maybe in the range of 11% to 12%. Is that market relatively slowing growth overall? Will, as we sort of increase our presence over there, can it affect our overall growth rates?
Speaker #4: And, in addition to that, given that, you know, that market is relatively more mature, do you think that it can have an overall impact on our growth rates going forward?
Speaker #4: Because given that it’s in this quarter, if we look at ex-currency, the developed market growth will be, you know, on a buy and sell level, maybe in the range of 11 to 12 percent. So, is that market relatively slowing—slowing growth overall?
Speaker #4: And will—as we sort of increase our presence over there—can it affect our overall growth rates?
Speaker #5: I, I don't quite agree with that analysis, Anmol. Yes, they are mature markets in the sense that the addressable market is large, and it is so large that, you know, the overall growth might, you know, from a high-level macro perspective, not be as significant; but the fact that we are entering with a smaller base, with a differentiated business model and our differentiated technology stack, we see that we will be growing at least at 20% plus in developed markets, consistently.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I don't quite agree with that analysis. Yes, we are mature markets in the sense that the addressable market is large, and it is so large that the overall growth might, from an overall high-level macro perspective. The fact that we are entering with a smaller base, with a differentiated business model, with a differentiated technology stack, we see that we will be growing at least at 20% plus in developed markets consistently. We see many growth pegs there. We see growth pegs in gaming, we see growth pegs in e-commerce, entertainment. We are seeing a positive growth even in areas of healthcare. We have a very strong thesis across some of the top 10 verticals that we are deeply verticalized for.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I don't quite agree with that analysis. Yes, we are mature markets in the sense that the addressable market is large, and it is so large that the overall growth might, from an overall high-level macro perspective. The fact that we are entering with a smaller base, with a differentiated business model, with a differentiated technology stack, we see that we will be growing at least at 20% plus in developed markets consistently. We see many growth pegs there. We see growth pegs in gaming, we see growth pegs in e-commerce, entertainment. We are seeing a positive growth even in areas of healthcare. We have a very strong thesis across some of the top 10 verticals that we are deeply verticalized for.
Speaker #5: We see many growth pegs there. We see growth pegs in gaming. We see growth pegs in e-commerce and entertainment. We are seeing positive growth even in areas of healthcare.
Speaker #5: So we, we have a very strong thesis across, you know, some, some of the, top 10 verticals that we are deeply verticalized for. And when we go into this market with our, you know, approach, as a consumer platform on a CPC business model, covering the entirety of the consumer journey, you know, and so on, I think we, we should be very, very optimistic and very clear that at least 20% growth is sensible to be pegged at.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: When we go into this market with our approach as a consumer platform on a CPC business model, covering the entirety of the consumer journey, and so on. I think we should be very optimistic and very clear that at least 20% growth is sensible to be pegged at. I did mention earlier that internally, when we execute all our business plans internally, are pegged at 25% growth. We are very convinced and seeing the right kind of momentum on the ground to realistically peg ourselves internally on that. When our external stakeholders and analysts are modeling us at around 20%, I don't see why that should be tapered down with view of developed markets, given that the addressable market is so large. We are small, and we are giving you a very clear thesis of our differentiated execution pathway.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: When we go into this market with our approach as a consumer platform on a CPC business model, covering the entirety of the consumer journey, and so on. I think we should be very optimistic and very clear that at least 20% growth is sensible to be pegged at. I did mention earlier that internally, when we execute all our business plans internally, are pegged at 25% growth. We are very convinced and seeing the right kind of momentum on the ground to realistically peg ourselves internally on that. When our external stakeholders and analysts are modeling us at around 20%, I don't see why that should be tapered down with view of developed markets, given that the addressable market is so large. We are small, and we are giving you a very clear thesis of our differentiated execution pathway.
Speaker #5: I did mention earlier that, internally, when we execute all our business plans, they are pegged at 25% growth, and we are very convinced—based on the right kind of momentum we’re seeing on the ground—to realistically peg ourselves internally at that level.
Speaker #5: So when our external stakeholders and analysts are modeling us at around 20%, I don't see why that should be tapered down with a view of developed markets, given that the addressable market is so large.
Speaker #5: We are small, and we are giving you a very clear thesis of our differentiated execution pathway.
Speaker #6: Anmol, are you there? Hello?
Anmol Garg: Anmol, are you there? Hello. Yeah, thanks for this. Just one second question from my side is, in terms of the SDK integrations for us in developed markets, are you seeing greater willingness among premium app publishers to integrate Affle's SDKs? How should we think about potential SDK penetration there within the developed markets?
Anmol Garg: Anmol, are you there? Hello. Yeah, thanks for this. Just one second question from my side is, in terms of the SDK integrations for us in developed markets, are you seeing greater willingness among premium app publishers to integrate Affle's SDKs? How should we think about potential SDK penetration there within the developed markets?
Speaker #4: Yeah, thanks. Thanks for this. Just one second question from my side is, you know, in terms of the SDK integrations for us in developed markets, are you seeing greater willingness among premium app publishers to integrate, you know, Apple's SDKs?
Speaker #4: How should we think about potential SDK penetration there within the developed markets?
Speaker #5: Thanks for that question. I’d answered it in the context of our AdColony acquisition of strategic assets, which includes the tech stack and the SDK, of course.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. I'd answered it in the context of our AdColony acquisition of strategic assets, which includes the tech stack, the SDK, of course. It includes the brand of AdColony as well. The brand of AdColony has the goodwill and the reputation, especially in developed markets, where the publishers have made, for last decade or even two decades, money by integrating the AdColony SDK. Now, with that kind of a reputation when we are going in there, our execution pathway very clearly shows that within this year, we will activate 100,000 mobile app publishers. That should result in 500 million connected devices in developed markets. That's a significant competitive advantage being unlocked in the process. That's not just about what AdColony stood for. AdColony, powered by Affle, will have unique differentiations in the way we will unlock value for the ecosystem.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. I'd answered it in the context of our AdColony acquisition of strategic assets, which includes the tech stack, the SDK, of course. It includes the brand of AdColony as well. The brand of AdColony has the goodwill and the reputation, especially in developed markets, where the publishers have made, for last decade or even two decades, money by integrating the AdColony SDK. Now, with that kind of a reputation when we are going in there, our execution pathway very clearly shows that within this year, we will activate 100,000 mobile app publishers. That should result in 500 million connected devices in developed markets. That's a significant competitive advantage being unlocked in the process. That's not just about what AdColony stood for. AdColony, powered by Affle, will have unique differentiations in the way we will unlock value for the ecosystem.
Speaker #5: It includes the brand of AdColony as well. And the brand of AdColony has the goodwill and the reputation, especially in developed markets, where the publishers have made money for the last decade, or even two decades, by integrating the AdColony SDK.
Speaker #5: Now, with that kind of a reputation, when we're going in there, our execution pathway very clearly shows that within this year, we will activate 100,000 mobile app publishers.
Speaker #5: And that should result in 500 million connected devices in developed markets, and that's significant compared to the advantage being unlocked in the process. That's not just about what AdColony stood for.
Speaker #5: Ad colony powered by Apple. We'll have unique differentiations in the way we will unlock value for the ecosystem. And I think, you know, we will we will see in due course and time that this is, again, an ag an organic business development journey for what we've ve already doing, what we're doing, but this will give us an accelerator because of the ad colony brand and the trust that it has in the ecosystem there.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I think, we will see in due course in time, but this is again, an organic business development journey for what we were already doing, what we are doing. This will give us an accelerator because of the AdColony brand and the trust that it has in the ecosystem there. Affle may have a shorter runway in developed markets, but with AdColony, we are bringing a lot of credibility and goodwill as we go and engage with the brands and the advertisers to deliver performance to them.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I think, we will see in due course in time, but this is again, an organic business development journey for what we were already doing, what we are doing. This will give us an accelerator because of the AdColony brand and the trust that it has in the ecosystem there. Affle may have a shorter runway in developed markets, but with AdColony, we are bringing a lot of credibility and goodwill as we go and engage with the brands and the advertisers to deliver performance to them.
Speaker #5: So, Apple may have, you know, a shorter runway in developed markets, but with AdColony, we are bringing a lot of credibility and goodwill as we go and engage with the brands and the advertisers to deliver performance to them.
Speaker #4: Sure, and it's very clear. Thank you so much for answering.
Anmol Garg: Sure, Anuj. Very clear. Thank you so much for answering the questions.
Anmol Garg: Sure, Anuj. Very clear. Thank you so much for answering the questions.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Yeah.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Yeah.
Speaker #6: Thank you. We have our next question from the lineup: Omkar from Shreya Investments. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Omkar from Sri Investment. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Omkar from Sri Investment. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Yeah, good morning. Congrats on the consistent performance.
[Analyst] (Sri Investment): Yeah, good morning. Congratulations on the consistent performance. I have a question regarding the new large acquisition which you are talking about. Can you give a ballpark, how it can look like for Affle and how big it can be, how the margin profile. Because earlier, the margin profile used to be lower for the acquisitions which you had done, and that had dragged the overall margins for you. This time, how it can look like?
Onkar Kulkarni: Yeah, good morning. Congratulations on the consistent performance. I have a question regarding the new large acquisition which you are talking about. Can you give a ballpark, how it can look like for Affle and how big it can be, how the margin profile. Because earlier, the margin profile used to be lower for the acquisitions which you had done, and that had dragged the overall margins for you. This time, how it can look like?
Speaker #7: I have a question regarding the, you know, large acquisition that you are talking about. I mean, can you give a ballpark—how it can look like for Apple, and how big it can be?
Speaker #7: How is the margin profile now? Because earlier, the margin profile used to be lower for the acquisitions which you had done, and that had dragged the overall margins for you.
Speaker #7: So this time, how can it look like?
Speaker #5: Thanks for that question. Well, first of all, with respect to our M&A, our board and our management have always been very transparent with our shareholders throughout the process, because we know it is a meaningful decision for the future.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. Well, first of all, with respect to our M&A, our board and our management has always been very transparent with our shareholders throughout the process, because we know it is a meaningful decision for the future. All along, we have been very clear, whether we had shortlisted a certain number of companies or when we did intro due diligence on a few of them. Now we have reached a stage where we have appointed third-party due diligence advisors to do deeper due diligence on the targets. What we are looking for is completing the process by early 2027. In terms of our approach, I think we are very clear that any acquisition that we would do has to be accretive on the bottom line.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thanks for that question. Well, first of all, with respect to our M&A, our board and our management has always been very transparent with our shareholders throughout the process, because we know it is a meaningful decision for the future. All along, we have been very clear, whether we had shortlisted a certain number of companies or when we did intro due diligence on a few of them. Now we have reached a stage where we have appointed third-party due diligence advisors to do deeper due diligence on the targets. What we are looking for is completing the process by early 2027. In terms of our approach, I think we are very clear that any acquisition that we would do has to be accretive on the bottom line.
Speaker #5: So, all along, we have been very clear, you know, whether we had shortlisted a certain number of companies or when we introduced diligence on a few of them.
Speaker #5: And now, we have reached a stage where we have appointed third-party due diligence advisors to do deeper due diligence on the targets.
Speaker #5: Now, what we are looking for is, you know, completing the process by early 2027. And in terms of our approach, I think we are very clear that any acquisition that we will do has to be, you know, accretive on the bottom line.
Speaker #5: It has to be supporting the, you know, sensible margin profile for the business and, very importantly, not slowing us down on the growth trajectory.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: It has to be supporting the sensible margin profile for the business and very importantly, not slowing us down on the growth trajectory. I would only sign on the dotted line and invest if I am convinced that under the actual leadership, the combined existing business as well as the new inorganic acquisition would continue to deliver combined at least 20% growth and will deliver a meaningful bottom line performance, growing our earnings per share, growing our cash flows meaningfully. Overall, I think that's the kind of mindset with which we are going to execute on this. You should be very comfortable that we are not looking at something that will either slow us down or will not be accretive on the bottom line.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: It has to be supporting the sensible margin profile for the business and very importantly, not slowing us down on the growth trajectory. I would only sign on the dotted line and invest if I am convinced that under the actual leadership, the combined existing business as well as the new inorganic acquisition would continue to deliver combined at least 20% growth and will deliver a meaningful bottom line performance, growing our earnings per share, growing our cash flows meaningfully. Overall, I think that's the kind of mindset with which we are going to execute on this. You should be very comfortable that we are not looking at something that will either slow us down or will not be accretive on the bottom line.
Speaker #5: So I would only sign on the dotted line and, invest if I am convinced that under the Apple leadership, the combined, you know, the, the existing business as well as the, new in, in organic, acquisition would continue to deliver combined to at least 20% growth and will deliver a meaningful bottom line performance growing our earnings per share, growing our, you know, cash flows meaningfully, overall.
Speaker #5: I think that's the kind of, mindset with which we are going to execute on this. So you should be very comfortable that we are, you know, not looking at something that will either slow us down or will, not be a creative on the on the bottom line.
Speaker #7: Yeah. You mentioned that investors shouldn't be worried about slowing down, but actually, this should enhance your growth, right? You're talking about large-size M&A.
[Analyst] (Sri Investment): Yeah. You mentioned that investors shouldn't be worried about slowing down, but actually speaking, this should enhance your growth, right? You are talking about large size.
Onkar Kulkarni: Yeah. You mentioned that investors shouldn't be worried about slowing down, but actually speaking, this should enhance your growth, right? You are talking about large size.
Speaker #5: Absolutely.
Speaker #7: Obviously.
Speaker #5: Absolutely. So, no, I think what I'm saying is that the enhancement in growth is not because of inorganic alone. What I'm talking about is that the combined entity, on an organic basis, henceforth, would still grow above 20% and would be accretive.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Absolutely.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Absolutely.
[Analyst] (Sri Investment): Yeah.
Onkar Kulkarni: Yeah.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I think what I am saying is that the enhancement in growth is not because of inorganic alone. What I am talking about is that the combined entity on an organic basis henceforth would still grow above 20% and would be accretive. That is what I was saying. I think what is important to know is that you are not just accumulating size, what you are accumulating is that even at that bigger size, your speed and velocity and efficiency in terms of the spirit and the DNA of the organization will absolutely remain on track. We are not going to do something that will fundamentally change that thesis. Does that make sense?
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I think what I am saying is that the enhancement in growth is not because of inorganic alone. What I am talking about is that the combined entity on an organic basis henceforth would still grow above 20% and would be accretive. That is what I was saying. I think what is important to know is that you are not just accumulating size, what you are accumulating is that even at that bigger size, your speed and velocity and efficiency in terms of the spirit and the DNA of the organization will absolutely remain on track. We are not going to do something that will fundamentally change that thesis. Does that make sense?
Speaker #5: That's what I was saying. I think what's important to know is that, you know, you, you're not just accumulating size. What you're accumulating is that even at that bigger size, your speed and velocity and efficiency in terms of, the, the spirit and the, the DNA of the organization will absolutely remain on track.
Speaker #5: So we're not going to do something that will fundamentally change that thesis. Does that make sense?
Speaker #7: Yeah, the other question is that on the 10X target which you had set—so practically, if you look at it number-wise, you would want around 25–26 percent kind of growth for a decade.
[Analyst] (Sri Investment): Another question is that on the 10x target which you had set. If you look number wise, you want around 25% to 26% kind of growth for a decade from the date which you announced 10x target. Right now, if you look at last 1, 2 years, it has been somewhere around 20% odd, 20% to 21% kind of growth. I mean, is this more of a backward-looking growth than the forward-looking growth you are talking about because of this M&A and other things which you will be doing?
Onkar Kulkarni: Another question is that on the 10x target which you had set. If you look number wise, you want around 25% to 26% kind of growth for a decade from the date which you announced 10x target. Right now, if you look at last 1, 2 years, it has been somewhere around 20% odd, 20% to 21% kind of growth. I mean, is this more of a backward-looking growth than the forward-looking growth you are talking about because of this M&A and other things which you will be doing?
Speaker #7: From the date when you announced the 10X target—so, right now, if you look at the last one or two years, it has been somewhere around 20-odd percent, 20, 21 percent kind of growth.
Speaker #7: So, I mean, is this more of a backward-looking growth than the forward-looking growth you are talking about? Because of this M&A and other things which you will be doing.
Speaker #5: So, when we made the 10X growth target, and with the decadal view to that, we had also mentioned that we will achieve it in, hopefully, half the time of the decade. Which means, you know, our past track record shows that we achieved 10X in five years.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: When we made the 10x growth target, and with the decadal view to that, we had also mentioned that we will achieve it in hopefully half the time of the decade, which means our past track record shows that we achieve 10x in 5 years. I would like to maintain that. To get 10x in 5 years, you need to do it as a combination of over 20% or 20% organic growth, plus do some meaningful, important strategic acquisitions, which when combined should also continue to grow at 20% plus growth rate. If we achieve that, I think the next milestone for us should be INR 1 billion of revenue, which should be around the corner in the next few years with organic growth as well as an acquisition. I think we are very well on track for the 10x plan that we have.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: When we made the 10x growth target, and with the decadal view to that, we had also mentioned that we will achieve it in hopefully half the time of the decade, which means our past track record shows that we achieve 10x in 5 years. I would like to maintain that. To get 10x in 5 years, you need to do it as a combination of over 20% or 20% organic growth, plus do some meaningful, important strategic acquisitions, which when combined should also continue to grow at 20% plus growth rate. If we achieve that, I think the next milestone for us should be INR 1 billion of revenue, which should be around the corner in the next few years with organic growth as well as an acquisition. I think we are very well on track for the 10x plan that we have.
Speaker #5: Okay? And I would like to maintain that. Now, to get 10x in five years, you know, you need to do it as a combination of over 20%—or 20%—organic growth, plus do some meaningful, important strategic acquisitions, which, when combined, should also continue to grow at a 20% plus growth rate.
Speaker #5: And if we achieve that, I think the next milestone for us should be $1 billion of revenue, which should be around the corner in the next few years, with organic growth as well as through an acquisition.
Speaker #5: I think we are very well on track for the 10X plan that we have. I tell this to my team internally.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I tell this to my team internally, I am 48 years old. I think I have at least two more decades ahead of me in terms of providing meaningful, productive leadership to Affle. I would like to at least see two to three 10x growth cycles in that period of time, hopefully taking us to a much greater height that Affle deserves to be at. That is the mindset with which we are navigating this journey. I think the first 10x journey, you should see it in the next few years. It should not take so long.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I tell this to my team internally, I am 48 years old. I think I have at least two more decades ahead of me in terms of providing meaningful, productive leadership to Affle. I would like to at least see two to three 10x growth cycles in that period of time, hopefully taking us to a much greater height that Affle deserves to be at. That is the mindset with which we are navigating this journey. I think the first 10x journey, you should see it in the next few years. It should not take so long.
Speaker #5: I'm 48 years old. I think I have at least two more decades ahead of me in terms of providing meaningful, productive leadership to Apple.
Speaker #5: And I would like to at least see two to three 10x growth cycles in that period of time, hopefully taking us to, you know, a much greater height, you know, that Affle deserves to be at.
Speaker #5: So that's the mindset with which we are navigating this journey. And I think the first 10x journey, you should see it in the next few years.
Speaker #5: It should not take so long.
Speaker #7: Correct. Just one clarification on that front: the numbers which you are talking about—I mean, when can we actually see those numbers on the ground?
[Analyst] (Sri Investment): Correct. Just one clarification on that front. The numbers which you are talking about, when can we actually see those numbers on the ground? Because currently last five, six quarters, it has been around 20%. That's why I asked this question. When can we see accelerated growth?
Onkar Kulkarni: Correct. Just one clarification on that front. The numbers which you are talking about, when can we actually see those numbers on the ground? Because currently last five, six quarters, it has been around 20%. That's why I asked this question. When can we see accelerated growth?
Speaker #7: Because currently, for the last five or six quarters, it has been around 20%. So that's why I asked this question: when can we see accelerated growth?
Speaker #5: the answer is that the t the last so the last few quarters that you have seen a 20% should give you the right kind of confidence.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: The answer is that the last few quarters that you have seen at 20% should give you the right kind of confidence. We've also given you that the other step of change will also happen through the acquisitions. The strategic acquisition of AdColony I've already told you about and told you how organically we'll unlock differentiated competitive advantage there. We've given you guidance that the larger M&A is going to happen. We've been consistently telling you that we've been working on it for the last year or so. We have also raised the appropriate amount of funding to get ourselves ready for that.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: The answer is that the last few quarters that you have seen at 20% should give you the right kind of confidence. We've also given you that the other step of change will also happen through the acquisitions. The strategic acquisition of AdColony I've already told you about and told you how organically we'll unlock differentiated competitive advantage there. We've given you guidance that the larger M&A is going to happen. We've been consistently telling you that we've been working on it for the last year or so. We have also raised the appropriate amount of funding to get ourselves ready for that.
Speaker #5: And we have also given you that the other step-change will also happen through acquisitions. The strategic acquisition of AdColony I've already told you about, and told you how organically we'll unlock differentiated competitive advantage there.
Speaker #5: We have given you guidance that the larger M&A is going to happen. We've been consistently telling you that we've been working on it for the last year or so.
Speaker #5: We have also raised the appropriate amount of funding to get ourselves ready for that. We've given you a consistent timeline, but now we have third-party due diligence partners working on it.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: We've given you a consistent timeline. Now we have third party due diligence partners working on it and early 2027 we will close the transaction and we'll report back to you on the progress, and we'll keep the transparency as far as it is allowed legally. Now you should have a lot of confidence in that thesis because the 20% organic growth is the right level of anchoring, and that over six quarters that you're saying that you've seen it should give you validation of that thesis. With that, a step change of an acquisition-based M&A stepping that up is the way to get to that 10x growth. Right? Then with the acquisition, we want to make sure the combined entity is still proceeding ahead with the same kind of growth velocity and efficiency, both in terms of revenue growth and margin expansion.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: We've given you a consistent timeline. Now we have third party due diligence partners working on it and early 2027 we will close the transaction and we'll report back to you on the progress, and we'll keep the transparency as far as it is allowed legally. Now you should have a lot of confidence in that thesis because the 20% organic growth is the right level of anchoring, and that over six quarters that you're saying that you've seen it should give you validation of that thesis. With that, a step change of an acquisition-based M&A stepping that up is the way to get to that 10x growth. Right? Then with the acquisition, we want to make sure the combined entity is still proceeding ahead with the same kind of growth velocity and efficiency, both in terms of revenue growth and margin expansion.
Speaker #5: In early '27, we will close the transaction, and we'll report back to you on the progress as we—you know—we'll keep the transparency.
Speaker #5: As far as it is allowed legally. Now, you should have a lot of confidence in that thesis because the 20% organic growth is the right level of anchoring, and that over six quarters that you're saying that you've seen, it should give you validation of that thesis.
Speaker #5: And with that, a step change of an acquisition-based M&A—stepping that up—is the way to get to that 10x growth, right? And then, with the acquisition, we want to make sure the combined entity is still proceeding ahead with the same kind of growth velocity and efficiency, both in terms of revenue growth and margin expansion.
Speaker #5: So that's our thesis, and that's how we are executing. We are absolutely on track.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: That's our thesis and that's how we are executing, and we are absolutely on track.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: That's our thesis and that's how we are executing, and we are absolutely on track.
Speaker #7: So you will be concluding the...
[Analyst] (Sri Investment): You will be concluding this.
Onkar Kulkarni: You will be concluding this.
Speaker #5: Sorry to interrupt you, Omkar. The main thesis, just to give you the answer, is that there are several parts related to Omkar.
Operator: Sorry to interrupt you, Omkar. May I please request you to be brief as there are several participants on the call? Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Samarth Patel from Accurus Securities. Please go ahead.
Operator: Sorry to interrupt you, Omkar. May I please request you to be brief as there are several participants on the call? Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Samarth Patel from Accurus Securities. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Yes.
Speaker #5: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Samarth Patil from Equity Securities. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Okay, thanks for providing me the opportunity. My first question was, if I just look at this particular quarter, the direct customer contributed around 79% of the revenue.
Samarth Patel: Thanks for providing me the opportunity. My first question was, if I just look at this particular quarter, the direct customer contributed around 79% of the revenue, which was around 74% for the entire FY26. This is a sharp step up. Is this a one-off or a genuine mix shift that we are currently seeing? How do you expect the agency channel to trend from here onwards?
Samarth Patel: Thanks for providing me the opportunity. My first question was, if I just look at this particular quarter, the direct customer contributed around 79% of the revenue, which was around 74% for the entire FY26. This is a sharp step up. Is this a one-off or a genuine mix shift that we are currently seeing? How do you expect the agency channel to trend from here onwards?
Speaker #7: It was around 74% for the entire FY26, so this is a sharp step up. Is this a one-off, or a genuine mix shift that we are currently seeing?
Speaker #7: And how do you expect the agency channel to trend from here onwards?
Speaker #5: For us, serving the advertiser, either directly or through its agencies—you know, we don't distinguish between that; we don't show any strategic preference one way or the other.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: For us, serving the advertiser either directly or through its agencies. We don't distinguish between that. We don't show any strategic preference one way or the other. What's most important for us is that whether the advertiser is having a billing relationship with us directly or through its agency, it must have a direct technology integration with us. That data integration of advertiser intelligence and marrying it with the audience intelligence is super important to the way we execute our consumer platform, CPCU-based business model. 100% of our business has direct advertiser integration. It is important to report from a revenue standpoint, but how much portion of the revenue is flowing directly from the advertisers versus the agencies.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: For us, serving the advertiser either directly or through its agencies. We don't distinguish between that. We don't show any strategic preference one way or the other. What's most important for us is that whether the advertiser is having a billing relationship with us directly or through its agency, it must have a direct technology integration with us. That data integration of advertiser intelligence and marrying it with the audience intelligence is super important to the way we execute our consumer platform, CPCU-based business model. 100% of our business has direct advertiser integration. It is important to report from a revenue standpoint, but how much portion of the revenue is flowing directly from the advertisers versus the agencies.
Speaker #5: What's most important for us is that, whether the advertiser is having a billing relationship with us directly or through its agency, it must have a direct technology integration with us.
Speaker #5: Because that data integration of advertiser intelligence, and marrying it with the audience intelligence, is super, super important to the way we execute our consumer platform, CPCU-based business model.
Speaker #5: So, 100% of our business has direct advertiser integration. It is important to report, from a—let's say—revenue standpoint, how much portion of the revenue is flowing directly from the advertisers versus the agencies.
Speaker #5: But from a strategic point of view, you should be, you know, seeing it as a direct advertiser integration that we have, where we are delivering conversions for the advertisers with the technology integrations that we have.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: From a strategic point of view, we should be seeing it as a direct advertiser integration that we have, where we are delivering conversions for the advertisers with the technology integrations that we have. Our relationships with the agencies are very strong, I think will continue to get strengthened. It is also that in certain emerging markets, certain industry verticals, the advertisers have a tendency to work directly with our platform because we are very strong in these markets. It could be slightly different as we grow and expand and calibrate in developed markets. This percentage will change based on how we evolve from here. What kind of an acquisition that we do, the math might be slightly different on that front.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: From a strategic point of view, we should be seeing it as a direct advertiser integration that we have, where we are delivering conversions for the advertisers with the technology integrations that we have. Our relationships with the agencies are very strong, I think will continue to get strengthened. It is also that in certain emerging markets, certain industry verticals, the advertisers have a tendency to work directly with our platform because we are very strong in these markets. It could be slightly different as we grow and expand and calibrate in developed markets. This percentage will change based on how we evolve from here. What kind of an acquisition that we do, the math might be slightly different on that front.
Speaker #5: Our relationship with the agencies is very strong, and I think it will continue to get strengthened. It's also that in certain emerging markets, certain industry verticals, the advertisers have a tendency to work directly with our platform because we're very strong in these markets.
Speaker #5: It could be slightly different as we grow and expand, and calibrate and develop markets. So, this percentage will change based on how we evolve from here.
Speaker #5: Also, what kind of an acquisition that we do—the math might be slightly different on that front, yeah? So I wouldn't give you a guidance on that, but I think what's very important for you to note is that the end advertiser has a direct technology integration with us, and that's the most important sort of aspect here.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I wouldn't give you a guidance on that, I think what is very important for you to note is that the end advertiser has a direct technology integration with us, that is the most important sort of aspect here.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: I wouldn't give you a guidance on that, I think what is very important for you to note is that the end advertiser has a direct technology integration with us, that is the most important sort of aspect here.
Speaker #7: Let us—very helpful, sir. Mike, now my next question is: What would be our vertical mix across, let's say, the categories E, F, G, H, and specifically in India for this particular quarter?
Samarth Patel: That was very helpful, sir. My next question is, what would be our vertical mix across, let's say the categories E, F, G, and H, specifically in India for this particular quarter? Any qualitative flavor that you can give to us? Which are the verticals which grew fastest, et cetera, would be really helpful.
Samarth Patel: That was very helpful, sir. My next question is, what would be our vertical mix across, let's say the categories E, F, G, and H, specifically in India for this particular quarter? Any qualitative flavor that you can give to us? Which are the verticals which grew fastest, et cetera, would be really helpful.
Speaker #7: Any qualitative flavor that you can give to us? I mean, which are the verticals, which grew fastest, etc.? That would be really helpful.
Speaker #5: Absolutely. So, I think category E and category F—these are the categories that are absolutely, you know, robust and doing really well for us across the board.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Absolutely. I think category E and category F. These are the categories that are absolutely robust and doing really well for us across the board. I think in category G, RMG, the recovery phase is still on that front. I think it is well understood. I think in category H, healthcare, hospitality, I think we are also doing really well there at this moment, I have very strong convictions. Overall, in categories E, F, G, and H, I would say we can order it as category E, F, H, and G in terms of qualitative ranking on how we are doing in India and emerging markets. If you look at developed markets, then it would be category E and G doing better at this moment versus category F and H.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Absolutely. I think category E and category F. These are the categories that are absolutely robust and doing really well for us across the board. I think in category G, RMG, the recovery phase is still on that front. I think it is well understood. I think in category H, healthcare, hospitality, I think we are also doing really well there at this moment, I have very strong convictions. Overall, in categories E, F, G, and H, I would say we can order it as category E, F, H, and G in terms of qualitative ranking on how we are doing in India and emerging markets. If you look at developed markets, then it would be category E and G doing better at this moment versus category F and H.
Speaker #5: I think in category G, RMG, you know, the recovery phase is still on, on that front. And I think it's well understood. And I think in category H, healthcare, hospitality, I think we are also doing really well there at this moment.
Speaker #5: And I've, you know, very strong convictions. So overall, in categories E, F, G, and H, I would say we can order it as category E, F, H, and G in terms of qualitative ranking on how we're doing in India and emerging markets.
Speaker #5: But if you look at developed markets, then it would be category E and G doing better at this moment, versus category F and H.
Speaker #5: Okay? And again, F and H—you know, we see strong momentum and possibilities ahead. But just giving you a qualitative color on that.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Again, F and H, we see strong momentum and possibilities ahead, just giving you a qualitative color on that.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Again, F and H, we see strong momentum and possibilities ahead, just giving you a qualitative color on that.
Speaker #7: Understood, sir. That was really helpful, and that's it from my side. Thanks for providing me the opportunity.
Samarth Patel: Understood, sir. That was really helpful, that's it from my side. Thanks for providing me the opportunity.
Samarth Patel: Understood, sir. That was really helpful, that's it from my side. Thanks for providing me the opportunity.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
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Speaker #7: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker #5: Thank you. Next question is from the line of Sagar Karkhanis from Ashika Institutional Equities. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Yeah, thanks for this opportunity. I wanted to understand, in the developed markets, for our growth going forward, do we see higher growth in the US market, or will higher growth come from the non-US market?
Sagar Garkhanis: Thanks for this opportunity. I wanted to understand in the developed markets for our growth going forward, do we see higher growth in the US market or higher growth will come from the non-US market? Thank you.
Sagar Karkhanis: Thanks for this opportunity. I wanted to understand in the developed markets for our growth going forward, do we see higher growth in the US market or higher growth will come from the non-US market? Thank you.
Speaker #7: Thank you. We would see meaningful growth in developed markets. We are very convinced with the kind of case studies we have built and the inroads we have already got, you know, the team that we are building.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: We will see meaningful growth in developed markets. We're very convinced with the kind of case studies we have built and the inroads we've already got. The team that we are building. We have very strong momentum at this moment. We see competitive advantage in the way we are executing. US versus non-US, we haven't split that up. We are seeing meaningful growth in the US. US is the largest one, and I would say that US is where the strategic focus would be, both organically and inorganically. US should be growing across the board in categories E, F, G, H for us. The verticalization strategy is working. The CPCU business model is working. The consumer platform business approach across mobile, CTV, and other AICDs is working really well for us.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: We will see meaningful growth in developed markets. We're very convinced with the kind of case studies we have built and the inroads we've already got. The team that we are building. We have very strong momentum at this moment. We see competitive advantage in the way we are executing. US versus non-US, we haven't split that up. We are seeing meaningful growth in the US. US is the largest one, and I would say that US is where the strategic focus would be, both organically and inorganically. US should be growing across the board in categories E, F, G, H for us. The verticalization strategy is working. The CPCU business model is working. The consumer platform business approach across mobile, CTV, and other AICDs is working really well for us.
Speaker #7: So, we have very strong momentum at this moment. We see competitive advantage in the way we are executing. And so, US versus non-US, we haven't split that up.
Speaker #7: But we are seeing meaningful growth in the US. The US is the largest one, and I would say that the US is where the strategic focus would be, both organically and inorganically.
Speaker #7: And so, US should be growing across the board in categories E, F, G, H for us. So, the verticalization strategy is working. The CPCU business model is working.
Speaker #7: The consumer platform business approach across mobile, CTV, and other AI CDs is working really well for us. Great, thanks for that. Thank you. All the best.
Sagar Garkhanis: Great. Thanks for that. Thank you. All the best.
Sagar Karkhanis: Great. Thanks for that. Thank you. All the best.
Speaker #5: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Sanjal Adda from Bastion Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Sanjay Ladda from Bastion Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Sanjay Ladda from Bastion Research. Please go ahead.
Sanjay Ladda: Thank you so much, sir, for the opportunity, and congratulations on a very good set of numbers, sir. Sir, I just wanted to highlight that we have highlighted in the press release that with this INR 136 crore of investment for sale for Bobble, and in the recent precedent, this company has filed for bankruptcy due to non-payment of debt and interest. As a prudent company, do we have write off this amount or make a provision for this become similar matter? Similar matter, this can be the case that either we have to write it down or because the company is no longer doing any more business, some sort of that. Just wanted to have your views on that side. What are the things which we are doing on that side?
Sanjay Ladha: Thank you so much, sir, for the opportunity, and congratulations on a very good set of numbers, sir. Sir, I just wanted to highlight that we have highlighted in the press release that with this INR 136 crore of investment for sale for Bobble, and in the recent precedent, this company has filed for bankruptcy due to non-payment of debt and interest. As a prudent company, do we have write off this amount or make a provision for this become similar matter? Similar matter, this can be the case that either we have to write it down or because the company is no longer doing any more business, some sort of that. Just wanted to have your views on that side. What are the things which we are doing on that side?
Speaker #6: thank you so much, sir, for the opportunity. And, congratulations on a very good set of numbers, sir. Sir, I just wanted to highlight that, we have, you know, highlighted in the press release that, you know, with these 136 crore of investment per sale for Bubble, and in the recent press release, this company has filed for bankruptcy.
Speaker #6: Due to non-payment of debt and interest, as a prudent company, do we have to write up this amount or make a provision for this? Because sooner or later, you know, this can be the case that either we have to write it down, or, because the company is no longer doing any more business, some sort of debt.
Speaker #6: So, just wanted to have your views on that side. What, what are the things that we are doing on that side?
Speaker #7: Sure. Thanks for that question. Well, fundamentally, our management and our board believes that Bubble has a technology as a, you know, keyboard platform with over 15, 15 to almost 15 to 18 million active users in India, is a valuable asset.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Sure. Thanks for that question. Well, fundamentally, our management and our board believes that Bobble has a technology, has a keyboard platform with over almost 15 to 18 million active users in India, is a valuable asset. What we strongly believe, and it's validated by some of the court orders by Singapore's arbitration as well as the Indian High Court orders, that it is not being managed well by the management of that company and the courts have ordered inspection rights for our company to go and inspect into how it is being managed or mismanaged. The inspection rights, even after the court orders and the SIAC orders have been denied by the management.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Sure. Thanks for that question. Well, fundamentally, our management and our board believes that Bobble has a technology, has a keyboard platform with over almost 15 to 18 million active users in India, is a valuable asset. What we strongly believe, and it's validated by some of the court orders by Singapore's arbitration as well as the Indian High Court orders, that it is not being managed well by the management of that company and the courts have ordered inspection rights for our company to go and inspect into how it is being managed or mismanaged. The inspection rights, even after the court orders and the SIAC orders have been denied by the management.
Speaker #7: What we strongly believe, and it's validated by some of the court orders—by Singapore's arbitration, as well as the Indian High Court orders—is that it is not being managed well by the management of that company.
Speaker #7: And the, the courts have ordered inspection rights for our company to go and inspect into how it is being managed or mismanaged. And the inspection rights, even after the court orders and the CAC orders, have been denied by the management. And in order to avoid a lot of these, you know, very clear court orders that have gone against the management of the company, we believe, for a very paltry sum of, you know, ₹5 crore or something, they have allowed for this insolvency proceeding to happen.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: In order to avoid a lot of these very clear court orders that have gone against the management of the company, we believe for a very paltry sum of INR 5 crores or something, they have allowed for this insolvency proceeding to happen. The matter is, with the courts, we have appealed and challenged. We think that something inappropriate is happening, and we'll take the appropriate action with the advice of our lawyers. We are also evaluating what should be done with respect to it, and therefore our auditors, our public committee, and the board have all approved the right level of disclosures that need to happen and therefore your question on I think we'll be very prudent, and we will take the decisive step in the next few quarters.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: In order to avoid a lot of these very clear court orders that have gone against the management of the company, we believe for a very paltry sum of INR 5 crores or something, they have allowed for this insolvency proceeding to happen. The matter is, with the courts, we have appealed and challenged. We think that something inappropriate is happening, and we'll take the appropriate action with the advice of our lawyers. We are also evaluating what should be done with respect to it, and therefore our auditors, our public committee, and the board have all approved the right level of disclosures that need to happen and therefore your question on I think we'll be very prudent, and we will take the decisive step in the next few quarters.
Speaker #7: But the matter is, you know, with the courts—we have appealed and challenged. We think that something, you know, inappropriate is happening.
Speaker #7: And, you know, we'll take the appropriate action, with the advice of our lawyers. We are also evaluating, you know, what should be done with respect to it.
Speaker #7: And therefore, we have—our auditors, our audit committee, and the board have all approved the right level of disclosures that need to happen.
Speaker #7: And therefore, to your question, I think we'll be very prudent, and we will take a decisive step in the next few quarters. At this moment, we are of the view that for the underlying asset, we will need to have more clarity and inspection ability to know, you know, what is the absolute—what is the real sort of reliable value of this asset.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: At this moment, we are of the view that the underlying asset, we will need to have more clarity and inspection ability to know what is the real sort of reliable value of this asset. Yeah.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: At this moment, we are of the view that the underlying asset, we will need to have more clarity and inspection ability to know what is the real sort of reliable value of this asset. Yeah.
Speaker #7: Yeah?
Speaker #6: Sure, sir. Thank you for that.
Sanjay Ladda: Sure, sir. Thank you.
Sanjay Ladha: Sure, sir. Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you.
Speaker #7: Kapil, do you want to add to it? I hope I've answered it appropriately, but, you know, if there are any qualifications you need to give to it from a legal perspective.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Kapil, do you want to add to it? I hope I've answered it appropriately.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Kapil, do you want to add to it? I hope I've answered it appropriately.
Sanjay Ladda: Yeah
Kapil Bhutani: Yeah
Anuj Khanna Sohum: If there's any qualifications you need to give to it from a legal perspective, otherwise please complete it on my behalf.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: If there's any qualifications you need to give to it from a legal perspective, otherwise please complete it on my behalf.
Speaker #7: Otherwise, please complete it on my behalf.
Speaker #6: Sure. From the accounting perspective, it was discussed. And since it is at a value stage, there is no reliable basis to make a permanent impairment on the asset.
Kapil Bhutani: Sure. From the accounting perspective, it was discussed, and since it is in early stage, there is no reliable basis to make a prominent impairment on the asset. It has been discussed that the impairment would be tested once the appeal is decided in NCLAT.
Kapil Bhutani: Sure. From the accounting perspective, it was discussed, and since it is in early stage, there is no reliable basis to make a prominent impairment on the asset. It has been discussed that the impairment would be tested once the appeal is decided in NCLAT.
Speaker #6: So it has been discussed that the impairment would be tested once the appeal is decided in NCLAT.
Speaker #5: Thank you. We will take that as the last question of the day.
Operator: Thank you. We will take that as the last question of the day.
Operator: Thank you. We will take that as the last question of the day.
Speaker #6: Absolutely.
Sanjay Ladda: Thank you.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Thank you.
Operator: I hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
Operator: I hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
Speaker #5: And with that, I'll hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
Speaker #7: Thank you so much for your continuous support and belief in our journey. As I mentioned, we are on course for our 10x growth plans.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Well, thank you so much for your continuous support and belief in our journey. As I mentioned, we are on course for our 10X growth plans, and we will deliver it well ahead of the decade ending. Our track record shows that we have done it in five years before. I would like to achieve it. It will be a combination of organic growth modeled sensibly at around 20%, and I think we are showing you clear evidence of why that is reasonable. We are very transparently giving you guidance on what we are looking to do inorganically as well. There is a lot of conviction that we will achieve our 10X growth plan sensibly. While achieving that, we will maintain our velocity in terms of growth as well as efficiency on the bottom line. With that, thank you very much and stay tuned.
Anuj Khanna Sohum: Well, thank you so much for your continuous support and belief in our journey. As I mentioned, we are on course for our 10X growth plans, and we will deliver it well ahead of the decade ending. Our track record shows that we have done it in five years before. I would like to achieve it. It will be a combination of organic growth modeled sensibly at around 20%, and I think we are showing you clear evidence of why that is reasonable. We are very transparently giving you guidance on what we are looking to do inorganically as well. There is a lot of conviction that we will achieve our 10X growth plan sensibly. While achieving that, we will maintain our velocity in terms of growth as well as efficiency on the bottom line. With that, thank you very much and stay tuned.
Speaker #7: And we will deliver it well ahead of the decade ending. Our track record shows that we have done it in five years before. I would like to achieve it.
Speaker #7: It will be a combination of organic growth, modeled sensibly at around 20%. And I think we have—we are showing you clear evidence—why that is reasonable.
Speaker #7: And we are very transparently, you know, giving you guidance on what we are looking to do inorganically as well. So, there is a lot of conviction that we will achieve our 10x growth plan sensibly.
Speaker #7: And while achieving that, we will maintain our velocity in terms of growth as well as efficiency on the bottom line. So with that, thank you very much, and stay tuned.
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Operator: Thank you. On behalf of Elara Capital, that concludes the conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.
