Q2 2026 Zealand Pharma AS Earnings Call
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Speaker #2: Thank you, Heidi, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today to discuss Zealand Pharma's results for the first half of 2026. The related company announcement is available on our website at zealandpharma.com.
Eric Rojas: Thank you, Heidi, and thank you everyone for joining us today to discuss Zealand Pharma's results for the H1 2026. The related company announcement is available on our website at zealandpharma.com. As outlined on the slide, I would like to remind listeners that during today's call, we will be making forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Turning to today's agenda, joining me on this call is Adam Steensberg, President and Chief Executive Officer, David Kendall, Chief Medical Officer, and Henriette Wennicke, Chief Financial Officer. All speakers will be available for the Q&A session. I will now hand the call over to Adam.
Speaker #2: As outlined on the slide, I would like to remind listeners that during today’s call, we will be making forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #2: Turning to today's agenda, joining me on this call are Adam Steensberg, President and Chief Executive Officer; David Kendall, Chief Medical Officer; and Henriette Wennicke, Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: All speakers will be available for the Q&A session. I will now hand the call over to Adam.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Eric. And welcome, everyone. In the first half of 2026, we delivered on the key objectives we set out at the start of the year, and grew significant progress across our pipeline.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you, Eric, and welcome everyone. In the H1 2026, we delivered on the key objectives we set out at the start of the year and drew significant progress across our pipeline. I am pleased to walk through those accomplishments today. Starting with petrelintide, we reported positive ZUPREME-1 results, demonstrating double-digit weight loss with a tolerability profile consistent with placebo. On the back of that data, we confirmed advancement into phase III registrational trials initiating in the H2 of this year, so full speed ahead. On survodutide, our partner Boehringer Ingelheim reported positive SYNCHRONIZE-1 and SYNCHRONIZE-MASLD results, delivering competitive weight loss and targeted liver fat reduction, pointing to the potential for sustained improvements in metabolic health.
Speaker #3: I'm pleased to walk through those accomplishments today. Starting with the trend site, we reported positive Supreme One results demonstrating double-digit weight loss with a tolerability profile consistent with placebo.
Speaker #3: On the back of that data, we confirmed advancement into Phase 3 registrational trials initiating in the second half of this year. So full speed ahead.
Speaker #3: On the server side, our partner Boehringer Ingelheim reported positive SYNCHRONIZE-1 and SYNCHRONIZE-M results, delivering competitive weight loss and targeted liver fat reduction, pointing to the potential for sustained improvements in metabolic health.
Speaker #3: What is compelling is that server targets the fat that actually drives poor metabolic health. And I believe that that is an increasingly important value proposition as this category matures.
Adam Steensberg: What is compelling is that survodutide targets the fat that actually drives poor metabolic health, and I believe that that is an increasingly important value proposition as this category matures. BI also solidified their commitment and excitement around survodutide by announcing an expansion of the development program with four new and additional phase III-B trials initiating in 2026. On the early pipeline, we have initiated a phase I-B clinical trial in plaque psoriasis with ZP9830 and a first-in-human clinical trial with our GIP agonist ZP6590. So real momentum in building out the next wave of innovation. In May, we initiated a $200 million US share buyback program, a statement for our strong commitment to returning capital to shareholders when we have the flexibility to do so.
Speaker #3: BI also solidified their commitment and excitement around server by announcing an expansion of the development program with four new and additional Phase 3B trials initiating in 2026.
Speaker #3: On the early pipeline, we have initiated a Phase 1B clinical trial in plaque psoriasis, with CP9830 and a first-in-human clinical trial with our GIP agonist CP6590.
Speaker #3: So, real momentum in building out the next wave of innovation. In May, we initiated a $200 million share buyback program, a statement of our strong commitment to returning capital to shareholders when we have the flexibility to do so.
Speaker #3: And finally, as announced yesterday, we monetized our royalty rights to a non-strategic asset through the $100 million agreement with Royalty Pharma for rosphatide, which will be redeployed back into our strategic priorities and long-term growth initiatives.
Adam Steensberg: And finally, as announced yesterday, we monetized our royalty rights to a non-strategic asset through the $100 million US agreement with Royalty Pharma for rusfertide, which will be redeployed back into our strategic priorities and long-term growth initiatives. This has been a very strong H1 in execution across our business, and we remain focused on advancing our programs to get these medicines to patients as fast as we can. Before I hand over the call to David, I want to briefly mention what we witnessed at the American Diabetes Association meeting in June this year. The messages on key unmet medical needs in chronic weight management was clear: tolerability, treatment persistence, and patient experience. ADA opened with a symposium on Amylin that spoke directly to these gaps, and what struck me the most was not the data, it was the framing.
Speaker #3: This has been a very strong half-year and execution across our business, and we remain focused on advancing our programs to get these medicines to patients as fast as we can.
Speaker #3: Before I hand over the call to David, I want to briefly mention what we witnessed at the American Diabetes Association meeting in June this year.
Speaker #3: The messages on key unmet medical needs in chronic weight management were clear. Tolerability treatment persistence and patient experience. ADA opened with a symposium on Amylin, that spoke directly to these gaps.
Speaker #3: And what struck me the most was not the data; it was the framing. The speakers all key opinion leaders in their BC space laid out a hypothetical treatment paradigm for chronic weight management.
Adam Steensberg: The speakers or key opinion leaders in the obesity space laid out a hypothetical treatment paradigm for chronic weight management. This felt like a real shift in how the field is starting to think about treatment sequencing, and I think it maps closely to how we see the role of petrelintide. For the majority of patients, the proposal was to start with a long-acting amylin as a first-line therapy. The logic here is simple. Why start with a very cumbersome treatment when a more benign one can deliver the weight loss most patients are actually after? For the patients with higher BMI and/or complications, a GLP-1 with established evidence or higher efficacy, dual or triple agonist could be the option. Then if those paths fail short of the patient's needs, escalate to combination therapy or bariatric surgery.
Speaker #3: This felt like a real shift in how the field is starting to think about treatment sequencing. And I think it maps closely to how we see the role of petrinatide.
Speaker #3: For the majority of patients, the proposal was to start with a long-acting amylin as a first-line therapy. The logic here is simple: why start with a very cumbersome treatment when a more benign one can deliver the weight loss most patients are actually after?
Speaker #3: For patients with higher BMI and/or complications, a GLP-1 with established evidence or a higher-efficacy dual or triple agonist could be an option. Then, if those paths fall short of the patient's needs, escalate to combination therapy or bariatric surgery.
Speaker #3: This narrative is now being proposed by the broader scientific community as a logical way to think about chronic weight management. What I find validating is that this is exactly the value proposition we have been building for petrinatide.
Adam Steensberg: This narrative is now being proposed by the broader scientific community as a logical way to think about chronic weight management. What I find validating is that this is exactly the value proposition we have been building for petrelintide, a benign, highly tolerable therapy, delivering double-digit weight loss for patients starting their weight loss journey, with the option to add or escalate if need of more. With that, I will turn over the call to our Chief Medical Officer, David Kendall, to walk through the progress across our pipeline. David.
Speaker #3: A benign, highly tolerable therapy delivering double-digit weight loss for patients starting their weight-loss journey, with the option to add or escalate if needed for more.
Speaker #3: With that, I will turn over the call to our Chief Medical Officer, David Kendall, to walk through the progress across our pipeline. David.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Adam. I will start with an overview of our pipeline. The first half of 2026 has been incredibly exciting. And it was one of the busiest six-month stretches in our company's history.
David Kendall: Thank you, Adam. I will start with an overview of our pipeline. The H1 of 2026 has been incredibly exciting and was one of the busiest six-month stretches in our company's history. We shared initial phase I data for our novel KV1.3 ion channel blocker, reported phase II results for petrelintide, and as Adam mentioned, presented these data at the American Diabetes Association's Scientific Sessions. And our partners at Boehringer Ingelheim presented results from two phase III studies with survodutide. Beyond these readouts, we continue to advance our pipeline in other important ways. We confirm plans for initiation of a registrational phase III program for petrelintide as monotherapy, and we will initiate the phase II ZYNERGY trial evaluating the petrelintide and anasempatide combination. As Adam also mentioned, we advanced our early-stage portfolio, including both the novel KV1.3 ion channel blocker and our GIP agonist.
Speaker #4: We shared initial Phase 1 data for our novel KV1.3 ion channel blocker, reported Phase 2 results for patronatide, and, as Adam mentioned, presented these data at the American Diabetes Association's Scientific Sessions.
Speaker #4: And our partners at Boehringer Ingelheim presented results from two Phase 3 studies with serveratide. Beyond these readouts, we continue to advance our pipeline in other important ways.
Speaker #4: We confirm plans for initiation of a registrational Phase 3 program for patronatide as monotherapy, and we will initiate the Phase 2 synergy trial evaluating the patronatide and cepatide combination.
Speaker #4: As Adam also mentioned, we advanced our early-stage portfolio, including both the novel KV1.3 ion channel blocker and our GIP agonist. Furthermore, for our rare disease programs, the Phase 3 EASE-5 trial for glipaglutide in short bowel syndrome continues to progress well.
David Kendall: Furthermore, for our rare disease programs, the phase III EASE 5 trial for glepaglutide in short bowel syndrome continues to progress well, and we successfully completed the EASE 2 and EASE 3 extension trials, which will support the long-term efficacy and safety of glepaglutide. We look forward to sharing these data at scientific congresses in 2027. We have delivered a remarkable string of clinical milestones in the past 6 months, a real testament to the incredibly committed and talented teams we have at Zealand Pharma. Let's now turn to our phase II ZUPREME-1 results, which we firmly believe support the unique potential of petrelintide as a future first-choice therapy for people living with obesity. Petrelintide delivered double-digit weight loss with no apparent plateau over 42 weeks of treatment in a study population that was generally balanced between women and men.
Speaker #4: And we successfully completed the ES2 and ES3 extension trials, which will support the long-term efficacy and safety of glipaglitide. We look forward to sharing these data at scientific congresses in 2027.
Speaker #4: We have delivered a remarkable string of clinical milestones in the past six months, a real testament to the incredibly committed and talented teams we have at Zeeland Pharma.
Speaker #4: Let's now turn to our Phase 2 Supreme One results, which we firmly believe support the unique potential of Patronatide as a future first-choice therapy for people living with obesity.
Speaker #4: Patronatide delivered double-digit weight loss with no apparent plateau over 42 weeks of treatment in a study population that was generally balanced between women and men.
Speaker #4: What stands out in these data is not solely the clinical meaning clinically meaningful weight reduction, it is the tolerability profile observed. More than three-quarters of the gastrointestinal events reported with patronatide were mild, were transient in nature, and occurred predominantly during dose escalation.
David Kendall: What stands out in these data is not solely the clinically meaningful weight reduction, it is the tolerability profile observed. More than three-quarters of the gastrointestinal events reported with petrelintide were mild, were transient in nature, and occurred predominantly during dose escalation. More importantly, up to 98% of participants successfully escalated to their target maintenance dose. When looking at the adverse event rates, in particular, the reports of diarrhea, constipation, and vomiting, they are strikingly similar rates in those treated with petrelintide as compared to those receiving placebo treatment, supporting a GI tolerability profile that is comparable to placebo. Together, these data point to the potential of petrelintide to fill a critical gap in chronic weight management, namely a highly tolerable therapy that delivers the weight reduction that the majority of those seeking weight management desire, with exceptional tolerability and the potential to support long-term adherence.
Speaker #4: More importantly, up to 98% of participants successfully escalated to their target maintenance dose. When looking at the adverse event rates in particular, the reports of diarrhea constipation and vomiting, they are strikingly similar rates to the in those treated with patronatide as compared to those receiving placebo treatment.
Speaker #4: Supporting a GI tolerability profile that is comparable to placebo. Together, these data point to the potential of patronatide to fill a critical gap in chronic weight management, namely a highly tolerable therapy that delivers the weight reduction that the majority of those seeking weight management desire.
Speaker #4: With exceptional tolerability and the potential to support long-term adherence, and with these data in hand, we at Roche have made the decision to advance patronatide monotherapy into a Phase 3 registrational program, on track to initiate later this year.
David Kendall: With these data in hand, we and Roche have made the decision to advance petrelintide monotherapy into a phase III registrational program on track to initiate later this year. We look forward to sharing more details around that program once those studies begin. We are also on track to report top-line results for the phase II ZUPREME-2 study with petrelintide in participants with overweight or obesity and coexisting type 2 diabetes in the second half of this year. ZUPREME-2 has enrolled approximately 200 adults with a balanced gender representation, comparing three doses of petrelintide with placebo over 28 weeks of treatment. The primary endpoint is percentage change in body weight from baseline, while key secondary endpoints include change from baseline in hemoglobin A1c and changes in cardiovascular risk markers, including fasting lipids.
Speaker #4: We look forward to sharing more details around that program once those studies begin. We are also on track to report top-line results for the Phase 2 SUPREME 2 study with patronatide in participants with overweight or obesity and coexisting type 2 diabetes in the second half of this year.
Speaker #4: Supreme 2 has enrolled approximately 200 adults with a balanced gender representation comparing three doses of patronatide with placebo over 28 weeks of treatment. The primary endpoint is percentage change in body weight from baseline while key secondary endpoints include change from baseline in hemoglobin A1C and changes in cardiovascular risk markers, including fasting lipids.
Speaker #4: We are also expanding our patronatide franchise with the initiation of the Phase 2 synergy trial, evaluating patronatide in combination with NS epatide Roche's potential best-in-class GLP-1 GIP dual receptor dual agonist.
David Kendall: We are also expanding our petrelintide franchise with the initiation of the phase II ZYNERGY trial, evaluating petrelintide in combination with anasempatide, Roche's potential best-in-class GLP-1/GIP receptor dual agonist. ZYNERGY is a comprehensive dose-finding study designed to identify an optimized ratio of petrelintide and anasempatide. The study includes six arms, three different dose regimens of the petrelintide and anasempatide combination, along with petrelintide monotherapy, anasempatide monotherapy, and placebo treatment groups. Participants will receive petrelintide and anasempatide as separate injections, allowing us to explore multiple combinations before committing to a fixed dose, single cartridge co-formulated combination in phase III. This study will enroll adults with obesity or overweight and at least one weight-related comorbidity, with the primary endpoint of percentage change in body weight from baseline to week 40.
Speaker #4: Synergy is a comprehensive dose finding study designed to identify an optimized ratio of patronatide and NS epatide. The study includes six arms, three different dose regimens of the patronatide, NS epatide, combination, along with patronatide monotherapy, NS epatide monotherapy, and placebo treatment groups.
Speaker #4: Participants will receive patronatide and NS epatide as separate injections, allowing us to explore multiple combinations before committing to a fixed dose single cartridge Phase 3.
Speaker #4: This study will enroll adults with obesity or overweight, and at least one weight-related comorbidity, with the primary endpoint of percentage change in body weight from baseline to week 40.
Speaker #4: As we have seen in separate phase 2 studies, Patronatide's impressive tolerability profile, paired with NS-Epatide's strong efficacy, makes this combination a compelling and natural next step in the development of our portfolio.
David Kendall: As we have seen in separate phase II studies, petrelintide's impressive tolerability profile, paired with anasempatide's strong efficacy, makes this combination a compelling and natural next step in the development of our portfolio. We believe it has the potential to deliver both substantial weight loss and improvements in cardiovascular risk markers while maintaining a competitive tolerability profile for patients who will benefit from additional weight loss efficacy. Turning to survodutide, our partner, Boehringer Ingelheim, reported detailed results from two phase III trials at the American Diabetes Association Scientific Sessions this year. I would like to spend a moment on these exciting results. The 76-week SYNCHRONIZE-1 trial in participants living with overweight or obesity met its primary endpoint, with survodutide delivering up to 16.6% weight loss from baseline, compared to 3.2% with placebo.
Speaker #4: We believe it has the potential to deliver both substantial weight loss and improvements in cardiovascular risk markers while maintaining a competitive tolerability profile for patients who will benefit from additional weight loss efficacy.
Speaker #4: Turning to serveratide, our partner Boehringer Ingelheim reported detailed results from two Phase 3 trials at the American Diabetes Association Scientific Sessions this year. I would like to spend a moment on these exciting results.
Speaker #4: The 76-week synchronized one trial in participants living with overweight or obesity met its primary endpoint with serveratide delivering up to 16.6% weight loss from baseline compared to 3.2% with placebo.
Speaker #4: What we would like to further highlight today is data from the pre-specified MRI sub-study that looks beyond the top-line number and assesses body composition following weight loss.
David Kendall: What we would like to further highlight today is data from the pre-specified MRI sub-study that looks beyond the top-line number and assesses body composition following weight loss, a view of specifically what kind of weight is actually being lost. Relative to baseline, survodutide achieved up to a 34% reduction in visceral fat, the metabolically harmful fat that sits around the organs and drives cardiometabolic risk, alongside a 63% reduction in liver fat content. Lean mass loss accounted for no more than 11.3% of the total tissue mass change at the highest dose. This is a body composition profile we believe supports sustained, meaningful improvements in metabolic health. This is a differentiation point we believe will become increasingly important as the field moves beyond weight loss alone as the benchmark and focuses on overall improvements in metabolic health status.
Speaker #4: A view of specifically what kind of weight is actually being lost: Relative to baseline, serveratide achieved up to a 34% reduction in visceral fat—the metabolically harmful fat that sits around the organs and drives cardiometabolic risk—alongside a 63% reduction in liver fat content. Lean mass loss accounted for no more than 11.3% of the total tissue mass change at the highest dose.
Speaker #4: This is a body composition profile we believe supports sustained, meaningful improvements in metabolic health. This is a differentiation point we believe will become increasingly important as the field moves beyond weight loss alone as the benchmark and focuses on overall improvements in metabolic health status.
Speaker #4: The 48-week synchronized MAST cell trial in participants living with overweight or obesity and metabolic dysfunction-associated steatotic liver disease, or MAST cell, with evidence of inflammation and/or fibrosis, also met both of its primary endpoints.
David Kendall: The 48-week SYNCHRONIZE-MASLD trial in participants living with overweight or obesity and metabolic dysfunction-associated steatotic liver disease, or MASLD, with evidence of inflammation and/or fibrosis also met both of its primary endpoints. Liver fat normalization was achieved by six out of 10 participants treated with survodutide for 48 weeks, with an associated mean weight loss of up to 12%. On tolerability, what we are seeing is broadly consistent with what is expected across GLP-1-based therapies. It is worth providing some additional context here, as the SYNCHRONIZE program used a stricter titration protocol than is typical in clinical practice or in many other clinical trials, with limited flexibility for slower uptitration, dose adjustment, or temporary interruption of study drug. In a number of cases, participants were required per protocol to discontinue rather than adjust treatment.
Speaker #4: Liver fat normalization was achieved by 6 out of 10 participants treated with serveratide for 48 weeks with an associated mean weight loss of up to 12%.
Speaker #4: On tolerability, what we’re seeing is broadly consistent with what is expected across GLP-1-based therapies. It is worth providing some additional context here, as the SYNCHRONIZE program used a stricter titration protocol than is typical in clinical practice or in many other clinical trials.
Speaker #4: With limited flexibility for slower up-titration, dose adjustment, or temporary interruption of study drug. In a number of cases, participants were required, per protocol, to discontinue rather than adjust treatment.
David Kendall: We and our partner, Boehringer Ingelheim, believe this contributed to both the GI event and discontinuation rates observed. We were also particularly excited to see Boehringer Ingelheim expand the survodutide program with four phase III studies, including ELEVATE Liver, assessing preservation of cardiac structure and function in people with MASLD or early MASH. The newer programs, including the LIVERAGE study, incorporate more flexible, patient-centered titration strategies to better reflect real-world use and support tolerability. Altogether, this reflects the breadth of opportunity for survodutide across the cardiometabolic and liver disease spectrum, a focus beyond brute force weight loss and toward overall metabolic health. Lastly, I want to mention that SYNCHRONIZE-2 and SYNCHRONIZE-CVOT, the long-term cardiovascular outcome trial, represent key upcoming readouts, both expected this year.
Speaker #4: We and our partner Boehringer Ingelheim believe this contributed to both the GI event and discontinuation rates observed. We were also particularly excited to see Boehringer Ingelheim expand the serveratide program with four Phase 3 studies including Elevate Liver, assessing preservation of cardiac structure and function in people with mast cell or early MASH, the newer programs including the Liverage Study, incorporate more flexible patient-centered titration strategies to better reflect real-world use and support tolerability.
Speaker #4: Altogether, this reflects the breadth of opportunity for serveratide across the cardiometabolic and liver disease spectrum. A focus beyond brute force weight loss and toward overall metabolic health.
Speaker #4: Lastly, I want to mention that synchronized two and synchronized CBOT, the long-term cardiovascular outcome trial, represent key upcoming readouts both expected this year. We look forward to those readouts as we continue to believe serveratide is well-positioned as a highly differentiated option addressing obesity and its most serious metabolic consequences.
David Kendall: We look forward to those readouts as we continue to believe tirzepatide is well-positioned as a highly differentiated option addressing obesity and its most serious metabolic consequences. Turning now to our early-stage immunology candidate, ZP9830, our novel Kv1.3 ion channel blocker. Kv1.3 is a potassium ion channel selectively upregulated on effector memory T cells, the cells that drive much of the tissue damage in autoimmune and inflammatory diseases through the release of proinflammatory cytokines. Blocking Kv1.3 may dampen specific pathogenic immune activity while preserving the protective function of the broader immune system. That selectivity is what makes ZP9830 a genuine pipeline and a product opportunity across a broad range of cell-mediated autoimmune diseases. Building on the positive phase I-A single ascending dose results, we have now initiated a phase I-B trial in approximately 30 participants with plaque psoriasis.
Speaker #4: Turning now to our early-stage immunology candidate, ZP9830, our novel KV1.3 ion channel blocker. KV1.3 is a potassium ion channel selectively upregulated on effector memory T cells.
Speaker #4: The cells that drive much of the tissue damage in autoimmune and inflammatory diseases do so through the release of pro-inflammatory cytokines. Blocking KV1.3 may dampen specific pathogenic immune activity while preserving the protective function of the broader immune system.
Speaker #4: That selectivity is what makes ZP9830 a genuine pipeline in a product opportunity across a broad range of cell-mediated autoimmune diseases. Building on the positive Phase 1A single ascending dose results, we have now initiated a Phase 1B trial in approximately 30 participants with plaque psoriasis.
Speaker #4: This eight-week trial will evaluate the safety tolerability pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, and clinical efficacy of ZP9830 with treatment emergent adverse events as the primary endpoint. We look forward to progressing this candidate through Phase 1B and to report top-line results from the ongoing multiple ascending dose trial part of the Phase 1 trial later this year.
David Kendall: This eight-week trial will evaluate the safety, tolerability, pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, and clinical efficacy of ZP9830, with treatment-emergent adverse events as the primary endpoint. We look forward to progressing this candidate through phase I-B and to report top-line results from the ongoing multiple ascending dose trial, part of the phase I trial, later this year. The Zealand teams are both energized and excited with the clinical development progress we've made thus far in 2026, and I look forward to providing additional updates going forward. With that, I'll turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Henriette Wennicke, who will review our financial results for the first six months of 2026. Henriette?
Speaker #4: The Zealand teams are both energized and excited with the clinical development progress we've made thus far in 2026, and I look forward to providing additional updates going forward.
Speaker #4: And with that, I'll turn the call over to our chief financial officer, Henrietta Wennicke, who will review our financial results for the first six months of 2026.
Speaker #4: Henrietta?
Speaker #3: Thanks, David. And hello, everyone. I'll start by focusing on the strength of our balance sheet. We ended the first six months of 2026 with a significant cash position of $14.5 billion DKK.
Henriette Wennicke: Thanks, David, and hello, everyone. I'll start by focusing on the strength of our balance sheet. We ended the first six months of 2026 with a significant cash position of 14.5 billion DKK. As a reminder, while we have recognized revenue from the phase III initiation development milestone of 3.7 billion DKK, we will only receive the payment from us later this year when we actually start the study. We continue to focus on active balance sheet management. This is evidenced by the launch of the $200 million share buyback program in Q2, and the announcement yesterday of the $100 million royalty monetization of a non-core asset via the agreement with Royalty Pharma for rusfertide. I'm very pleased with this agreement, which converts a future potential royalty stream into immediate capital.
Speaker #3: As a reminder, while we have recognized the revenue from the Phase 3 initiation development milestone of DKK 3.7 billion, we will only receive the payment from Ross later this year when we actually start the study.
Speaker #3: We continue to focus on active balance sheet management. This is evidenced by the launch of the $200 million share buyback program in Q2 and the announcement yesterday of the $100 million royalty monetization of a non-core asset via the agreement with royalty pharma for rosuvastate.
Speaker #3: I'm very pleased with this agreement, which converts a future potential royalty stream into immediate capital. And we will continue to leverage our strong financial position to invest into future growth opportunities in line with our strategic priorities.
Henriette Wennicke: We will continue to leverage our strong financial position to invest into future growth opportunities in line with our strategic priorities. Beyond our near-term commitment with the existing clinical pipeline, this means expanding our capabilities to build a leading pipeline for the long term, drawing on our deep expertise in metabolic health and peptide innovation, and complementing this with external innovation through partnerships that allow us to expand into other modalities, just like the partnership with OTR Therapeutics on small molecules. Moving to the income statement for the first six months of the year. Revenue was 4.5 billion DKK, driven by recognition of the phase III initiation development milestones of 3.7 billion DKK and the first anniversary payment of 798 million DKK from the collaboration and licensing agreement with Roche. Operating expenses total 1.2 billion DKK.
Speaker #3: Beyond our near-term commitment with the existing clinical pipeline, this means expanding our capabilities to build a leading pipeline for the long term. Drawing on our deep expertise in metabolic health and peptide innovation, and complementing this with external innovation through partnership that allow us to expand into other modalities.
Speaker #3: Just like the partnership with OTR Therapeutics on small molecules. Moving to the income statement for the first six months of the year. Revenue was $4.5 billion DKK driven by recognition of the Phase 3 initiation development milestones of $3.7 billion DKK and the first anniversary payment of $798 million DKK from the collaboration and license agreement with Rosch.
Speaker #3: Operating expenses totaled DKK 1.2 billion. The vast majority of that was dedicated to research and development, reflecting continued investment in the petanotide franchise, including preparation for the Phase 3 program with petanotide monotherapy, and the Synergy Phase 2 combination trial that David described earlier on.
Henriette Wennicke: The vast majority of that was dedicated to research and development, reflected continued investment in the petrelintide franchise, including preparation for the phase III program with petrelintide monotherapy and the ZYNERGY phase II combination trial that David described earlier on. Expenses also reflect increased investments into our research program, clinical advancements of early-stage assets, as well as the ongoing phase III with glepaglutide. Net financial items amounted to a positive DKK 292 million for the period, reflecting exchange rate adjustments on our USD-denominated holdings and interest income from our investments in marketable securities and cash equivalents. As a result, profit for the first six months of 2026 was DKK 3.5 billion. Now, let's briefly move on to the outlook for the full year.
Speaker #3: Expenses also reflect increased investment into our research early-stage assets, as well as the ongoing Phase 3 with Glepa2 Glutide. Net financial items amounted to a positive $292 million DKK for the period, reflecting exchange rate adjustments on our USD-dominated holdings and interest income for our investments in marketable securities and cash equivalents.
Speaker #3: As a result, profit for the first six months of 2026 was DKK 3.5 billion. Now let's briefly move on to the outlook for the full year.
Speaker #3: There are no changes to our financial guidance of DKK 4.5 billion in collaboration revenue for 2026. We continue to expect operating expenses in the range of DKK 2.7 to 3.3 billion, mainly driven by R&D activities.
Henriette Wennicke: There are no changes to our financial guidance of DKK 4.5 billion in collaboration revenue for 2026, and we continue to expect operating expenses in the range of DKK 2.7 billion to DKK 3.3 billion, mainly driven by R&D activities. With respect to the royalty sale agreement with Royalty Pharma for rusfertide, just announced yesterday, we will receive $50 million in cash in Q3, and the remaining $50 million at the first anniversary of closing of the agreement. What I would like to highlight is that the anniversary payment is not linked to anything else than time. With that, I will turn the call back to Adam for concluding remarks.
Speaker #3: And with respect to the royalty sale agreement with royalty pharma for rosuvastate just announced yesterday, we will receive $50 million in cash in Q3, and the remaining $50 million at the first anniversary of closing of the agreement.
Speaker #3: And what I would like to highlight that the anniversary payment is not linked to anything else than time. And with that, I will turn the call back to Adam for concluding remarks.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Henriette. Leveraging our momentum, we look forward to several important milestones and catalysts ahead in 2026. These include data from additional key trials in the synchronized program with server tide continued clinical advancement of patron tide franchise and the progress across our early-stage programs.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you, Henriette. Leveraging our momentum, we look forward to several important milestones and catalysts ahead in 2026. These include data from additional key trials in the SYNCHRONIZE program with survodutide, continued clinical advancement of petrelintide franchise, and the progress across our early-stage programs. With that, thank you all for your attention. I will now turn over the call to the operator, and we'll be happy to address your questions.
Speaker #2: With that, thank you all for your attention. I will now turn over the call to the operator, and we’ll be happy to address your questions.
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Håkon Hemme Bro Jørgensen: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. On the combination product of petrelintide and anasempatide, can you clarify your dose-ranging approach? Is petrelintide held constant around its maximally effective dose while anasempatide dose alteration varies, or are both components varied? Secondly, on the KV1.3 channel blocker, how should we expect the future progression of this molecule to unfold? Will you run multiple phase I indications in parallel or wait for more data before deciding where to focus? Thank you.
Speaker #4: Great, thanks for taking my questions. On the combination product of Pretalentide and Insipitide, can you clarify your dose-ranging approach? Is Pretalentide held constant around its maximally effective dose while the Insipitide dose or titration varies, or are both components varied?
Speaker #4: And secondly, on the KV, 1.3 channel blocker, how should we expect the future progression of this molecule to unfold? Will you run multiple phase one indications in parallel, or wait for more data before deciding where to focus?
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Håkon. On the combination study, which of course we are extremely excited to get going and progress, as we understand how important this could be for future patient care, as we have discussed a few times before, the profile of a combination between an amylin and a GLP-1 GIP actually holds the potential to address several different patient segments—including those living with the highest degree of obesity. There could also be patients who live with both obesity and type 2 diabetes, and other situations.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you, Håkon. On the combination study, which of course we are extremely excited to get going and progress as we understand how important this could be for the future patient care. As we have discussed a few times before, the profile of a combination between an amylin and a GLP-1 actually holds the potential to address several different patient segments, including those living with the highest degree of obesity. It could also be patients who live with both obesity and type 2 diabetes and other situations. The specific combinations and which molecules we titrate and the specific titration ranges is something we will probably have to keep a little bit preparatory for some time as we build a very competitive profile for this combination product for the future.
Speaker #2: And the specific combinations and which molecules we titrate and the specific titration ranges is something we will probably have to keep a little bit preparatory for some time as we build a very competitive profile for this combination product for the future.
Speaker #2: But as we have mentioned a few times, we could consider quite a number of different patient needs to be addressed by this combination product.
Adam Steensberg: But as we have mentioned a few times, we could consider quite a number of different patient needs to be addressed by this combination product, and we are extremely excited about getting it going and progressing it together with Roche. On KV1.3, it is very clear, as David also mentioned, it has this pipeline and a product potential. Because KV1.3 and these T effector memory cells are so central to the immune reaction in autoimmune diseases, but actually also in certain inflammation seen in metabolic diseases, we would definitely envision a broader program as we get later into development, but it is too early to comment on which indications we specifically will pursue beyond psoriasis. Thank you, Håkon.
Speaker #2: And we are extremely excited about getting it going and progressing it together with Rosch. On KV1.3, it's very clear—as David also mentioned—it has this pipeline and product potential.
Speaker #2: Because KV 1.3 and these G effector memory cells are so central to the immune reaction in autoimmune diseases, but actually also in certain inflammation seen in metabolic diseases, we would definitely envision a broader program as we get later into development.
Speaker #2: But it's too early to comment on which indications we specifically will pursue beyond psoriasis. Thank you, Håkon.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
[Analyst]: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will take our next question. The question comes from the line of Moët Rancel from Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead, your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question, and the question comes from the line of Mohit Ranka from Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Mohit Ranka: Great. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I have a couple of questions, one on survodutide and then one on petrelintide. On survodutide, the key question when you talk to doctors is that glucagon agonism does have a benefit in liver fat reduction and all that. However, the question is, would you be able to show a differentiation against a GLP-1 or GLP-GIP, based on the traditional MASH endpoint, because they are more histology-related endpoints? You may have to come up with some unique endpoints or an outcome trials like Lilly is doing, something of that sort, that you may have to do to prove that this is GLP-GIP plus kind of drug. Secondly, on petrelintide.
Speaker #5: Good. Thank you very much for taking my questions. So I have a couple of questions, one on sero and then one on patronitide. So on sero, the key question when we talk to doctors is that glucagon agonism does have a benefit in liver fat reduction and all that.
Speaker #5: However, the question is, would you be able to show a differentiation against a GLP-1 or GLP/GIP based on the traditional MASH endpoint? Because they are more histology-related endpoints.
Speaker #5: Or you may have to come up with some unique endpoints, or an outcome trial, like Lilly is doing. Something of that sort that you may have to do to prove that this is a GLP/GIP-plus kind of drug.
Speaker #5: Secondly, on patronitide, so one key theme especially looking at the retro data for obesity was that doctors love the fact that you could actually titrate only once and then you could get to a tizipitide-like weight loss.
Mohit Ranka: One key theme, especially looking at the data for obesity, was that doctors love the fact that you could actually titrate only once, and then you could get to a tirzepatide-like weight loss. For petrelintide, given the safety profile is pretty good here, do you see a possibility on differentiation on the dose titration part, which would be very appealing to the primary care doctors? Thank you.
Speaker #5: So for Petri, given the safety profile is pretty good here, do you see a possibility of differentiation on the dosing or the titration part, which would be very appealing to primary care doctors?
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your question. I will just touch upon the first and the second question on petronitide and then hand over to David on serveritide. On petronitide and titration, I think it's actually an important thing to think about that when we look into how petronitide is being dosed, we actually see this more as dose escalation. We've just gotten so used to talking about dose titration when we think about the GLP-1s, because they are such intolerable molecules, the GLP-1s, that you have to carefully titrate them. You go up in dose, then you find out the patients can't tolerate it and you step down in dose, then you try again a few weeks later, and so on and so forth.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you for your question. I will just touch upon the first and the second question on petrelintide and then hand over to David on survodutide. On petrelintide and titration, I think it's actually an important thing to think about that when we look into how petrelintide is being dosed, we actually see this more as dose escalation. We have just gotten so used to talk about dose titration when we think about the GLP-1s, because they are so intolerable molecules, the GLP-1s, that you have to carefully titrate them. You go up in dose, then you find out the patients can't tolerate it, and you step down in dose. Then you try again a few weeks later, and so on and so forth. That's a very, very cumbersome journey to get to the effective doses that delivers the weight losses that people like to talk about.
Speaker #2: That's a very, very cumbersome journey to get to the effective doses that delivers the weight losses that people like to talk about. With patronitide as David mentioned, people can follow the dose escalation, meaning that you don't need to titrate up and down.
Adam Steensberg: With petrelintide, as David mentioned, people can follow the dose escalation, meaning that you do not need to titrate up and down. It is a very simple stepwise approach, as you see with many general medicines in other categories. If you think about our phase II study, you also saw quite significant weight loss at the lower doses. I think as a field, when we start to talk about the amylins, we need to get used to talk about dose escalation rather than titration. It is two very different situations between the amylins and the GLP-1s. David, will you talk about survodutide and the glucagon component for MASH resolution and
Speaker #2: So it's a very simple stepwise approach as you see with many general medicine in other categories. And if you think about our phase two study, you also saw quite significant weight loss at the lower doses.
Speaker #2: So I think as a field, when we start to talk about the amylins, we need to get used to talk about those escalation rather than titration.
Speaker #2: It's two very different situations. Between the amylin and the GLP-1s. So David, will you talk about servo and the glucagon component for MASH resolution and.
David Kendall: Happy to, Adam, and thanks for the question. I think you hit on one of the key points, which is the glucagon agonism that is added to the survodutide molecule. Clearly, we have a belief, and our Boehringer Ingelheim partners have a belief that the glucagon signal and its ability to alter specifically how free fatty acid is trafficked and metabolized in the liver is distinct from the pure incretin mechanism or GLP-1 agonism. I think one has to look no further than the phase II data that were reported now 2 years ago at the liver meetings in Europe, where the improvements in fibrosis and resolution of MASH with survodutide, at least based on those phase II data, are what we would consider best in class in terms of potential.
Speaker #4: Happy to, Adam. And thanks for the question. I think you hit on one of the key points, which is the glucagon agonism that's added to the semaglutide molecule.
Speaker #4: Clearly, we have a belief and our Berger Ingelheim partners have a belief that the glucagon signal and its ability to alter specifically how free fatty acid is trafficked and metabolized in the liver is distinct from the pure incretin mechanism or GLP-1 agonism.
Speaker #4: I think one has to look no further than the phase two data that were reported now two years ago at the liver meetings in Europe where the improvements in fibrosis and resolution of MASH with server tide at least based on those phase two data are what we would consider best in class in terms of potential.
Speaker #4: That does not mean that other mechanisms, GLP-1 agonism alone with synaglutide GLP-1 GIP agonism with tizipitide will have an effect presumably much of that driven through reductions in body weight specifically but we in RBI partners firmly believe that that glucagon signal has a critically important role in what is the primary insult that is driving the trafficking of fat into the liver in this case modifying that through the glucagon signal the preliminary results from synchronized MASH also showed that six in 10 had resolution of liver fat albeit in a lower risk population so I think those are two very important data points that suggest that while weight reducing therapies alone are very effective that adding this glucagon signal may carry very important additional effects at specifically targeting not just MASH but MASH the F2 F3 and ultimately F4 populations.
David Kendall: That does not mean that other mechanisms, GLP-1 agonism alone with semaglutide, GLP-1 GIP agonism with tirzepatide, will have an effect, presumably much of that driven through reductions in body weight specifically. But we and our BI partners firmly believe that that glucagon signal has a critically important role in what is the primary insult that is driving the trafficking of fat into the liver, in this case, modifying that through the glucagon signal. The preliminary results from SYNCHRONIZE-MASLD also showed that 6 in 10 had resolution of liver fat, albeit in a lower risk population. I think those are two very important data points that suggest that while weight-reducing therapies alone are very effective, that adding this glucagon signal may carry very important additional effects at specifically targeting, not just MASLD, but MASH, the F2, F3, and ultimately F4 populations.
Speaker #4: So, obviously more to come with the LIVERAGE program, but exciting data to date. We believe it supports this unique mechanism.
David Kendall: So obviously more to come with the LIVERAGE program, but exciting data to date, we believe, supporting this unique mechanism.
Speaker #5: Thank you very much.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you very much.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from Alana Shamsi from Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from Alana Schemper from Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Alana Schemper: Hi. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Firstly, on amylin therapies, interested to hear if you hear of any illegal or unapproved use of amylins, including petrelintide, in the same way that's been seen for drugs such as retatrutide. Secondly, on GIP, could you walk us through how you're thinking about the development strategy from here? Specifically, what do you see as the most attractive commercial positioning for a GIP-based therapy, and what could combination trials look like? Thank you.
Speaker #6: Hi. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Firstly, on amylin therapies, interested to hear if you hear of any illegal or unapproved use of amylins, including petrolin tide in the same way that's been seen for drugs such as retro 2 tide.
Speaker #6: And then secondly, on GIP, could you walk us through how you're thinking about the development strategy from here specifically what do you see as the most attractive commercial positioning for a GIP-based therapy and what could combination trials look like?
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your questions. I'll just address the first one and then hand over the question on GIP to David. We have not heard of specific illegal use, or compounded or imported use, of patronitide.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you for your questions. I will just address the first one and then hand over the question on GIP to David. We have not heard specific illegal use, or compounded or imported use of petrelintide. Of course, it is something we monitor closely as we have seen these things with other products. So it is something we have to monitor closely going forward. David, will you take the thing on.
Speaker #2: Of course, it's something we monitor closely as we have seen these things with other products. So it's something we have to monitor closely going forward.
Speaker #2: David, will you take?
David Kendall: Yeah. Happy to, Adam. As regards amylin, it is worth noting that pramlintide, approved as Symlin, has been available, indicated as an adjunct to insulin therapy. But we do know of both data published with pramlintide in the weight-reducing space and some use as an adjunct to weight management. Not illegal use, just use of a licensed compound. Your question on GIP and its potential in the metabolic health space, I think there is much to learn about GIP agonism. We see reports each day on both agonist/antagonist approaches, but clearly GIP, through its myriad effects on both the beta cell function, islet cell function, potentially on bone health and muscle mass, clearly has, with the dual agonist molecules, shown great promise. What is less well understood is how can this be combined with other classes of therapies, in particular non-incretin therapies such as petrelintide.
Speaker #4: Yeah, happy to, Adam. And as regards amylin, it's worth noting that pramlintide, a similar, has been available, indicated as an adjunct to insulin therapy, but we do know of both data published with pramlintide in the weight reducing space and some use as an adjunct to weight management.
Speaker #4: Not illegal use, just use of a licensed compound. Your question on GIP and its potential in the metabolic health space, I think there is much to learn about GIP agonism.
Speaker #4: We see reports each day on both agonist and antagonist approaches, but clearly, GIP, through its myriad effects on both beta cell function, islet cell function, and potentially on bone health and muscle mass.
Speaker #4: Clearly, as with the dual agonist molecules, this has shown great promise. What is less well understood is how this can be combined with other classes of therapies, in particular non-incretin therapies such as petrelintide.
Speaker #4: So, clearly, having an effective GIP agonist compound that is safe and well tolerated—that's what the Phase 1 trial will assess for us. That can, and likely will, be used in multiple combinations. This is another molecule, as is the history at Zealand, that we believe can be readily co-formulated and administered with a number of other metabolically active peptides, not limited to the incretin hormones, but as an adjunct to a number of peptide hormone therapies.
David Kendall: So clearly having an effective GIP agonist compound that is safe and well-tolerated, that is what the phase I trial will assess for us. That can and likely will be used in multiple combinations. This is another molecule, as is the history of Zealand, that we believe can be readily co-formulated and administered with a number of other metabolically active peptides, not limited to the incretin hormones, but as an adjunct to a number of peptide hormone therapies. So right now, this is step one, just as others have developed these standalone molecules that will allow some freedom in formulation and dose selection, as opposed to being tied into a fixed dual agonist molecule. Much more to come in future earnings calls and with data becoming available. Thanks.
Speaker #4: So right now this is step one just as others have developed these standalone molecules. It will allow some freedom in formulation and dose selection as opposed to being tied into a fixed dual agonist molecule much more to come in future earnings calls and with data becoming available.
Speaker #4: Thanks.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from the line of Rajan Sharma from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from the line of Rajan Sharma from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Rajan Sharma: Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I have got a couple. Firstly, just on the petrelintide and anasempatide combination, could you just outline your target product profile there? We have also seen some data for Lilly's retatrutide and anasempatide combination in the EASD abstracts. Is that a level of efficacy that you think is achievable with the petrelintide combination? Could you maybe just talk about potential other areas of differentiation there? Then second question, just on the royalty agreement that you announced last night. Could you just maybe talk about the rationale for the timing there? Looking at the balance sheet and your previous communication, it does not feel like there is an obvious need for capital immediately. So just wanted to understand what the rationale was for doing that deal and doing it now. Thank you.
Speaker #7: Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I've got a couple. So firstly, just on the Petrelintide and any peptide combination—could you just outline your target product profile there?
Speaker #7: We've also seen some data for Lilly's allurilin tide and tizepitide combination in the EASD abstracts. Is that a level of efficacy that you think is achievable with the Petri combination?
Speaker #7: And could you maybe just talk about potential other areas of differentiation there? And then second question just on the royalty agreement that you announced last night.
Speaker #7: Could you just maybe talk about the rationale for the timing that looking at the balance sheet and your previous communication it doesn't feel like there is an obvious need for capital immediately.
Speaker #7: So just wanted to understand what now. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your question, Rajan. I'll take the first one and hand over the second question to Henriette. On the patronitide and tizepitide combination, I would say there are opportunities to address multiple patient needs with such a combination and rather than just pursuing the weight loss Olympics, which I think I've been calling a few times that we should stop to care about, we should think about what are the true future patient needs.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you for your question, Rajan. I will take the first one and hand over the second question to Henriette. On the petrelintide and anasempatide combination, I would say there are opportunities to address multiple patient needs with such a combination. Rather than just pursuing the weight loss Olympics, which I think I have been calling a few times that we should stop to care about, we should think about what are the true future patient needs. If you think about a more mature chronic therapy market, most patients will likely start on a monotherapy and then only step into combination therapies if their needs are not solved by a monotherapy. The combination of an amylin and a GIP, in our minds, looks to be fantastic for those patients who need more. So that could be a patient who started on anasempatide and wanted more, and then you add a combination.
Speaker #2: If you think more about a more mature chronic therapy market, most patients will likely start on a monotherapy and then only step into combination therapies if their needs are not solved by a monotherapy.
Speaker #2: The combination of an amylin and a GIP in our minds looks to be fantastic for those patients who need more so that could be a patient who started on tizepitide and wanted more and then you add a combination or it could be the other way around as I explained and as many physicians discussed at ADA this year that you start on patronitide for instance what we think is the most tolerable approach to achieve a weight loss and if you then find out you need more then you step up to a combination between the two products.
Adam Steensberg: Or it could be the other way around, as I explained, and as many physicians discussed at ADA this year, that you start on petrelintide, for instance, what we think is the most tolerable approach to achieve a weight loss. If you then find out you need more, then you step up to a combination between the two products. Where the combination, of course, looks extremely attractive with the data that are available, broadly speaking, from amylin and GLP-1 GIP combinations is also in patients living with obesity and type 2 diabetes, because it seems like we can address both the weight loss and the glycemic deficiencies in a strong way.
Speaker #2: Where the combination, of course, looks extremely attractive with the data that are available, broadly speaking, from amylin and GLP-1/GIP combinations, is also in patients living with obesity and type 2 diabetes, because it seems like we can address both the weight loss and the glycemic deficiencies in a strong way.
Speaker #2: So, I would say, when we think about how to develop combination therapies for the future and not the current market, it is extremely important to think about what the needed profile is, and not just try to run for the highest number—particularly not if you then achieve very high dropout rates or a lot of GI side effects when you achieve those numbers.
Adam Steensberg: So I would say when we think about how to develop combination therapies for the future and not the current market, it is extremely important to think about what is the profile needed and not just try to run for the highest number, in particular, not if you then achieve very high dropout rates or a lot of GI side effects when you achieve those numbers. So I think you need to have a more balanced view when you view these data readouts in the future. At least how we think about designing these studies is about what is the future patient needs, what are the profiles of such combination products that could make them highly successful in a future more complex treatment world, rather than just running after specific numbers. So I hope this addressed partly your question, and then I will hand over to you, Henriette.
Speaker #2: So I think you need to have a more balanced view when you view these data readouts in the future at least how we think about designing these studies is about what is the future patient needs, what are the profiles of such combination products that could make them highly successful in a future more complex treatment world rather than just running after specific numbers.
Speaker #2: So I hope this addresses partly your question, and then I'll hand over to you, Henriette.
Speaker #1: Thanks.
Henriette Wennicke: Thanks, Adam, and thanks for the question, Rajan. So you can say this royalty stream, of course, very passive. I think rusfertide as a product and an asset in our pipeline was maybe forgotten a bit by some. This was a good opportunity, and we saw a good appetite to actually get this deal done at this time. I think it is an opportunity for us to take this cash and redeploy it into some other activities and opportunities we have in the pipeline. Of course, this was a very passive ownership we had on this product and other strategic assets that does not really fit, you can say, our future ambitions and the vision. So we will redeploy this cash and put it into future opportunities.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Adam and thanks for the question, Rajan. So you can say this royalty stream of course very passive I think Ruspetive as a product and asset in our pipeline was maybe forgotten a bit by some this was a good opportunity and we saw a good appetite to actually get this deal done at this time.
Speaker #3: I think it's an opportunity for us to take this cash and redeploy it into some other activities and opportunities we have in the pipeline and of course this was a very passive ownership we had on this product and not a strategic assets that doesn't really fit you can say our future ambitions and vision.
Speaker #3: So we will redeploy this cash and put it into future opportunities.
Speaker #7: Thank you.
David Kendall: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from Suzanne Van Vuursten from Van Lanshot Kempen. Please go ahead your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from Suzanne van Voorthuizen from Van Lanschot Kempen. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
[Analyst] (Van Lanschot Kempen): Hi, this is Anna for Suzanne. Thank you for taking our questions. Could you elaborate on your view on the wider landscape of weight loss and like with now orals available and the anticipated launches of tirzepatide and semaglutide? How do you expect the treatment paradigm to change with increasingly more options that reflect the needs for efficacy and safety and convenience? Where do you believe the opportunity type will fit?
Speaker #8: Hi. This is Anna for Suzanne. Thank you for taking our questions. So could you elaborate on your view on the wider landscape of weight loss and with now rules available on the anticipated answers of record to try to monitor it.
Speaker #8: How do you expect your treatment paradigm to change with increasingly more options to balance the needs for efficacy, safety, and convenience? And where do you believe that Patronitide will fit?
Speaker #2: Thank you and for those questions. I'll start and maybe David will add some color to some of my comments. On the all segment and the GLP-1s all GLP-1s of course as we are seeing right now they have opened up the market and at least according to the manufacturers of these medicines they are very much getting new patients on board who are not been candidates for their injectable GLP-1s.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you, Anna, for those questions. I will start, and maybe David will add some color to some of my comments. On the oral segment and the GLP-1s, all GLP-1s, of course, as we are seeing right now, they have opened up the market, and at least according to the manufacturers of these medicines, they are very much getting new patients on board who had not been candidates for the injectable GLP-1s. What we still need to see is, of course, how people manage to stay on these therapies. Will it truly change how we have seen the GLP-1s being used, where we know after 3 months, we have 30% who have dropped off, and after a year, only 20% are still on. I really have to remind us all that obesity is a chronic disease, and it should be considered a chronic treatment.
Speaker #2: What we still need to see is of course how people manage to stay on these therapies. Will it truly change how we have seen the GLP-1s being used where we know after three months we have 30% who have dropped off and after a year only 20% are still on.
Speaker #2: And I really have to remind us all that obesity is a chronic disease, and it should be considered a chronic treatment. So this thing that we get on and get off is probably not the way we would address obesity for the future, and that's why we are so focused on developing medicines that can give patients the weight loss that the majority of patients are looking for—which is a double-digit number. If you ask patients, broadly speaking, 80% in our surveys at least suggest that they would be looking for a weight loss above 20%.
Adam Steensberg: This thing that we get on and get off is probably not the way we would address obesity for the future. That is why we are so focused on developing medicines that can give patients the weight loss that the majority of patients are looking for, which is a double-digit number. If you ask patients, broadly speaking, 80%, in our surveys at least, suggest that they would be looking for weight loss below 20%. What is important is that we are only, I would say, 4 to 5 years into the treatment of what we consider the biggest healthcare challenge of our time, obesity, and all the metabolic consequences of living with obesity. It is a very dynamic market. As we will see more tools, and in particular, differentiated tools getting to the market, it will, of course, also be more complex treatment algorithms.
Speaker #2: What is important is that we are only I would say four to five years into the treatment of what we consider the biggest healthcare challenge of our time obesity and all the metabolic consequences of living with obesity.
Speaker #2: So it is a very dynamic market and as we will see more tools and in particular differentiated tools getting to the market it will of course also be more complex treatment algorithms one thing where we I think we will see a major shift is that instead of just looking at specific patients and saying this treatment is for that patient or this treatment is for that patient we will start to consider treatment of obesity as a weight loss journey meaning you start on one product and then you see where you get on that one and if you don't achieve your goals or if you can't tolerate it you get on another product and then you see where that gets you to or you get on combination products.
Adam Steensberg: One thing where I think we will see a major shift is that instead of just looking at specific patients and saying, "This treatment is for that patient," or, "This treatment is for that patient," we will start to consider treatment of obesity as a weight loss journey, meaning you start on one product, and then you see where you get on that one. If you do not achieve your goals or if you cannot tolerate it, you get on another product, and then you see where that gets you to, or you get on combination products. That is how we treat other chronic diseases. That is the complexity that we are trying to develop our portfolio for.
Speaker #2: That's how we treat other chronic diseases, and that's the complexity that we are trying to develop our portfolio for. And this is also coming back to why we are so excited about the profile of patronitide, because we think it's the logical starting point for most patients, ultimately, when they start a weight loss journey. Only if they need more weight loss would you start to consider other, more cumbersome modalities or combination therapies.
Adam Steensberg: This is also coming back to why we are so excited about the profile of petrelintide, because we think it is the logical starting point for most patients ultimately, when they start a weight loss journey. Then only if they need more weight loss, you will start to consider other more cumbersome modalities or combination therapies. So a more mature market, you should view patients as being on a journey towards achieving their goals and not just as this product fits this patient forever. It will be more complex. We think we have the pipeline to actually address key aspects of the need of the future, and it will be exciting. Thank you. David, do you have further?
Speaker #2: So a more mature market you should view patients as being on a journey towards achieving their goals and not just as this product fits this patient forever.
Speaker #2: So it will be more complex we think we have the pipeline to actually address key aspects of the need of the future and it will be exciting.
Speaker #2: Thank you. David, do you have further?
Speaker #4: Yeah, yeah. Adam, I'll add a couple of points, and I will re-emphasize, Anna, that these are therapies for a lifetime for that weight loss journey that Adam described.
David Kendall: Yeah. Adam, I will add a couple of points, and I will re-emphasize, Anna, that these are therapies for a lifetime for that weight loss journey that Adam described. We are still early in this journey, and the currently available therapies are really limited to a single incretin-based approach. Much of the clinical development has been in those with what I will call more substantial or advanced, perhaps end-stage obesity with serious complications like cardiovascular risk, liver disease. The orals are still a minority of the prescriptions as we see the data. Weekly injectables are quite readily adopted, given both the efficacy. It is that dose escalation, de-escalation, and complexity.
Speaker #4: We are still early in this journey and the currently available therapies are really limited to a single incretin-based approach. And much of the clinical development has been in those with what I'll call more substantial or advanced perhaps end-stage obesity with serious complications like cardiovascular risk, liver disease.
Speaker #4: The orals are still a minority of the prescriptions, as we see in the data. Weekly injectables are quite readily adopted given both the efficacy and that dose escalation, de-escalation, and complexity. To Adam's point, I think historically we have seen in chronic disease that treatment options and their availability with different characteristics and different user profiles don't say, "For this patient, choose X," but actually, as Adam described, allow us to embark upon a weight loss journey in serving those individuals who live with overweight or obesity.
David Kendall: To Adam's point, I think historically we have seen in chronic disease that treatment options and their availability with different characteristics, different user profiles, don't say, "For this patient, choose X," but actually, as Adam described, allow us to impart upon a weight loss journey in serving those individuals who live with overweight obesity. I will provide some historical context because I was around and working at a small company, Amylin Pharmaceuticals, when exenatide was launched, and the world looked at us and said, "Well, we have insulin. Why would we need alternatives to insulin in the diabetes space?" Then subsequent to that time, GLP-1s were adopted more broadly, DPP4 inhibitors, SGLT2 inhibitors. We came to a place where options became really the norm to consider in the management of the chronic disease of type 2 diabetes.
Speaker #4: I will provide some historical context because I was around and working at a small company Emlin Pharmaceutical when Xenitide was launched and the world looked at us and said well we have insulin why would we need alternatives to insulin in the diabetes space and subsequent to that time GLP-1s were adopted more broadly DPP-4 inhibitors SGLT2 inhibitors we came to a place where options became really the norm to consider in the management of the chronic disease of type 2 diabetes.
Speaker #4: In this case that patient experience initiating therapy that you can readily or simply dose escalate to an effective dose and I remind the listeners that even the one and two and a half milligram doses of patronitide reported in Zeprine 1 had significant near double digit weight loss.
David Kendall: In this case, that patient experience initiating therapy that you can readily or simply dose escalate to an effective dose. I remind the listeners that even the 1 in 2.5 milligram doses of petrelintide reported in ZUPREME-1 had significant near double-digit weight loss. We are not talking about ineffective therapies, that in fact, across the board, that tolerability, we think, can serve an incredibly important need as more and more patients in more and more settings, not just specialty settings, embark upon that weight loss journey. There will be room to evolve this market over the next 5 to 10 years, just as we've seen, as Adam mentioned, with other chronic diseases.
Speaker #4: So we are not talking about ineffective therapies that in fact across the board that tolerability we think can serve an incredibly important need as more and more patients in more and more settings not just specialty settings embark upon that weight loss journey.
Speaker #4: So there will be room to evolve this market over the next 5 to 10 years, just as we've seen, as Adam mentioned, with other chronic diseases.
Speaker #1: Thanks. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from the line of Andy Shea from William Blair. Please go ahead your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from the line of Andy Hsieh from William Blair. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Thanks for taking our questions. So at ADA, we heard several investigators discussing the outperformance of placebo arm patients, and I'm just curious if you and Roche have thought about ways to potentially mitigate this kind of recent phenomenon.
Andy Hsieh: Thanks for taking our questions. At ADA, we heard several investigators discussing the outperformance of placebo arm patients. I am just curious if you and Roche have thought about ways to potentially mitigate this kind of recent phenomenon. We also have a second question about ZP9830, the KV1.3 inhibitor. You mentioned about the potential for a pipeline within a compound, and I am curious about the upcoming phase I-B trial. Do you have, or will you have any PD biomarkers available for that trial to really support that assertion that we can look forward to? Thank you.
Speaker #6: We also have a second question about 9830 the KV1.3 inhibitor. You mentioned about the potential for a pipeline within a compound and I'm curious about the upcoming phase 1B trial do you have or will you have any PD biomarkers available for that trial to really support that assertion?
Speaker #6: That we can look forward to. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your questions Andy. I will hand them over to David. Both on the placebo responder rates in obesity studies but also on KV1.3.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you for your questions, Andy. I will hand them over to David, both on the placebo responder rates in obesity studies, but also on KV1.3.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Thanks Andy and thanks Adam. Placebo response is obviously I think something we all think about but in well-executed trials where you provide additional support to the individuals who participate in your trials I think it is now quite well understood that in general 2 to 3% body weight reduction on average across trials can be expected I think there are two critically important things that will allow us to better understand that.
David Kendall: Yeah. Thanks, Andy, and thanks, Adam. Placebo response is obviously, I think, something we all think about. But in well-executed trials where you provide additional support to the individuals who participate in your trials, I think it is now quite well understood that in general, a 2% to 3% body weight reduction on average across trials can be expected. I think there are two critically important things that will allow us to better understand that. Remember, placebo-controlled trials are not part of clinical practice, meaning a change from baseline when you are on active drug with the same lifestyle counseling support interventions is really for us, and I think for clinicians, a key endpoint. Placebo correction is obviously important for regulatory approval. I think two things can shed additional light on that. One is the degree to which you have to support patients who achieve that placebo-associated weight reduction.
Speaker #4: Remember, placebo-controlled trials are not part of clinical practice, meaning change from baseline when you are on active drug with the same lifestyle counseling support interventions is really, for us—and I think for clinicians—a key endpoint.
Speaker #4: Placebo correction is obviously important for regulatory approval. I think two things can shed additional light on that. One is the degree to which you have to support patients who achieve that placebo-associated weight reduction.
Speaker #4: The second is in trials that have open label extension when patients treated with placebo then switch to active drug how significant is the clinical response similarly longer trials as is required to have 52 weeks on steady state dosing also allow you to see the lack of sustainability of many of the placebo-treated groups.
David Kendall: The second is in trials that have open label extension, when patients treated with placebo then switch to active drug, how significant is the clinical response? Similarly, longer trials, as is required to have 52 weeks on steady-state dosing, also allow you to see the lack of sustainability of many of the placebo-treated groups. So I think all of those are taken as one part of the business. We don't want to enroll patients and leave them unsupported in the population that should receive placebo. But it is obviously an important part of the regulatory pathway. The ZP9830 question as regards the phase I-B approach in psoriasis. Psoriasis has a number of approaches that are both approved and in active investigation. But it is an important, as I'll describe it, sentinel disease, where you have skin lesions, plaque size, PASI scores, et cetera.
Speaker #4: So I think all of those are taken as one part of the business. We don't want to enroll patients and leave them unsupported in the population that should receive placebo.
Speaker #4: But it is obviously an important part of the regulatory pathway. The 9830 question as regards the phase 1B approach in psoriasis. Psoriasis has a number of approaches that are both approved and in active investigation.
Speaker #4: But it is an important as I'll describe at sentinel disease where you have skin lesions plaque size posse scores etc. that can be utilized even over short-term to get a glimpse if not an early indication of the pharmacodynamic response that said is this the only pathway down which will go absolutely not as Adam alluded to earlier having the opportunity to address other inflammatory diseases other diseases where or disease states where inflammation may play an important role in associated comorbidities such as MASH such as cardiovascular and peripheral vascular disease so the pipeline in a product really relates to what we see as the opportunity of these T cell and T effector memory cell mediated or driven disease states the psoriasis study being the first sentinel look at the potential to impact not just markers of inflammation but clinical measures like plaque size and posse score.
David Kendall: That can be utilized, even over short term, to get a glimpse, if not an early indication of the pharmacodynamic response. That said, is this the only pathway down which we'll go? Absolutely not. As Adam alluded to earlier, having the opportunity to address other inflammatory diseases, other diseases where, or disease states where inflammation may play an important role in associated comorbidities such as MASH, such as cardiovascular, and peripheral vascular disease. So the pipeline in a product really relates to what we see as the opportunity of these T cell and T effector memory cell mediated or driven disease states. The psoriasis study being the first sentinel look at the potential to impact not just markers of inflammation, but clinical measures like plaque size and PASI score.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Andy Hsieh: Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from Martin Brenø from Nordea. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: We will take our next question. Your next question comes from Martin Brenno from Nordea. Please go ahead your line is open.
Speaker #7: Hi. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I just have two questions shifting gears a little bit. Here about the maybe just coming back to your previous commentary about the external opportunities that you have as part of your strategic priorities.
Martin Brenø: Hi. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I just have two questions. Shifting gears a little bit here, but maybe just coming back to your previous commentary about the external opportunities that you have as part of your strategic priorities. Can you maybe just put a few words on how this is tracking, what kind of assets are you primarily looking for, and where do you see the biggest gaps in your pipeline that you might not be able to close organically? Second to that, on the early pipeline, can you just help me understand what your top priority is? We will get multiple phase I, phase II initiations. Can you just elaborate a little bit on that? Should we expect inflammation as a category to become a strategic indication for Zealand Pharma on the medium term here? That would be my question.
Speaker #7: Can you maybe just put a few words on how this tracking what kind of assets are you primarily looking for and where do you see the biggest gaps in your pipeline that you might not be able to close organically?
Speaker #7: And second to that on the early pipeline can you just help me understand what your top priority is? We will get multiple phase 1 phase 2 initiations can you just elaborate a little bit on that and should we expect inflammation as a category to become a strategic indication for Zealand Pharma on the medium term here would be my question.
Speaker #7: And then just final question sorry for the many questions here but when we look at all therapies I get the commentary that it's not a great part of the overall category today but with the trajectory we're seeing that most likely will have a pretty decent size of the total market over the medium term.
Martin Brenø: Just a final question, sorry for the many questions here, but when we look at oral therapies, I get the commentary that it is not a great part of the overall category today, but with the trajectory we are seeing, that most likely will have a pretty decent size of the total market over the medium term. Just wondering how you see Zealand Pharma tapping into that opportunity. Thank you for taking my questions.
Speaker #7: So just wondering how you see Zealand Pharma tapping into that opportunity. Thank you for taking my questions.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your questions and if I'll just start with number one the strategic priorities when we think about external opportunities I think you should really think a little bit along what we also announced last year in December with OTR where it's a collaboration with more of a platform company who can help us tap into modalities where we are not as established ourselves yet.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you for your questions. If I will just start with number 1, the strategic priorities when we think about external opportunities, I think you should really think a little bit along what we also announced last year in December with OTR, where it is a collaboration with more of a platform company who can help us tap into modalities where we are not as established ourself yet. This was a small molecule drug discovery collaboration where we then apply our strong metabolic know-how and then take the products, of course, forward. Similarly, when we are looking into the focus for our external opportunities right now are in the early stages as we expand the modalities that we are going to work on beyond peptides. That is the clear focus right now. As you can see, we are quite busy in the clinical part of the pipeline.
Speaker #2: So this was a small molecule drug discovery collaboration where we then apply our strong metabolic know-how and then take the products of course forward.
Speaker #2: So, similarly, when we are looking into the focus for our external opportunities, right now we are in the early stages as we expand the modalities that we are going to work on beyond peptides.
Speaker #2: So that is the clear focus right now. As you can see, we are quite busy in the clinical part of the pipeline. How we think about developing the pipeline is really that overarching theme of metabolic health.
Adam Steensberg: How we think about developing the pipeline is really that overarching theme of metabolic health. Beyond obesity, of course, beyond weight loss, but really how do we help people have a longer health span, not just a lifespan, but living healthy longer. A component, as David also alluded to, of course, a strong component within that metabolic disturbances we see associated with obesity and the metabolic challenge situation that many find themselves in today is, of course, inflammation. You could see inflammatory targets being part of Zealand's innovation, but when it is more specifically towards specific indications that are autoimmune diseases that are established, that is where you should expect us to, at 1 point before we get to the market, have partnerships in place, so we have dedicated companies to work on those pathways.
Speaker #2: So, beyond obesity, of course, beyond weight loss, but really, how do we help people have a longer health span—not just a lifespan, but living healthy longer.
Speaker #2: And a component as David also alluded to of course a strong component within that metabolic disturbances. We see associated with obesity and the metabolic challenge situation that many find themselves in today is of course inflammation.
Speaker #2: So you could see inflammatory targets being part of Zealand's innovation. But when it's more specifically towards specific indications that are autoimmune diseases that are established that's where you should expect us to at one point before we get to the market have partnerships in place so we have dedicated companies to work on those pathways for KB1.3 is a good example because it's a pipeline in a product.
Adam Steensberg: KV1.3 is a good example because it is a pipeline in a product, of course, there will be certain areas where we would not take the lead ourself ultimately, but have a partner doing so. That would be the strategy for that. On the oral therapies, we do see a significant opportunity with oral therapies, in particular, once we move beyond the GLP-1s, because an oral GLP-1 does not address the biggest issue with the GLP-1s, which is the side effects that many people fail to tolerate them. Of course, as we think about this market in 10, 15, 20 years from now, we also expect orals to play an increasingly important part. That is 1 good example is why we engaged in a partnership with OTR. We have other opportunities.
Speaker #2: Of course there will be certain areas where we would not take the lead ourselves ultimately but have a partner doing so. So that would be the strategy for that.
Speaker #2: On the oral therapies we do see a significant opportunity with oral therapies in particular once we move beyond the GLP-1s because an oral GLP-1 doesn't address the biggest issue with the GLP-1s which is the side effects that many people fail to tolerate them.
Speaker #2: But of course as we think about this market in 10 15 20 years from now we also expect orals to play an increasingly important part and that's one good example is why we engaged in a partnership with OTR.
Speaker #2: We have other opportunities. So we are really thinking about the future but if you think about it an injectable convenient injection once a week is actually as we have seen with the success not only in obesity but also in diabetes with the GLP-1s despite they're quite cumbersome use are quite attractive profile.
Adam Steensberg: We are really thinking about the future, but if you think about it, an injectable, convenient injection once a week is actually, as we have seen with the success, not only in obesity but also in diabetes with the GLP-1s, despite their quite cumbersome use, a quite attractive profile. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Martin Brenø: Thank you.
Andy Hsieh: Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from Kerry Holford from Berenberg. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: We will take our next question. Your next question comes from Kerry Holford from Berenberg. Please go ahead, your line is open.
Kerry Holford: Oh, thank you for taking the questions. Petra, inside Mono, just in terms of timing, Adam, you stated it was now full speed ahead in your intro. I think we would all agree speed to market is important. Just intrigued to hear the latest on this, because obviously we saw the headline phase II back in March. We do not see any phase III trials yet listed on ClinicalTrials.gov, but we do see the details for the phase II combo.
Speaker #8: Oh, thank you for taking my questions. Petra Lindside Monod. Just in terms of timing Adam you stated it was now full speed ahead in your intro.
Speaker #8: And I think we'd all agree speed to market is important. Just intrigued to hear the latest on this because obviously we saw the headline phase 2 back in March we don't see any phase 3 trials yet listed.
Speaker #8: On clinical trials.gov. But we do see the details for the phase 2 combo. Which is scheduled to start in September. So is it fair to assume that phase 3 mono will start after phase 2 and what else are you now waiting on in conjunction with Roche to move into and actually start the phase 3 mono?
Kerry Holford: Which is scheduled to start in September. Is it fair to assume that phase III mono will start after phase II? What else are you now waiting on, in conjunction with Roche, to move into and actually start the phase III mono? Question from a financial point of view also, following that Royalty Pharma agreement, interested to hear whether you are looking at any other royalty agreements that you may have internally, which could be capitalized and redeployed in this way. If I can squeeze a final one in on survodutide. The body composition data are clearly interesting, but of course, the debate at ADA was on tolerability. To your earlier point, are you able to tell us whether any of the new phase IIIs that are planned will allow for slower dose titration to improve the AE profile and discontinuation rate? Thank you.
Speaker #8: Question from a financial point of view, also following that Royalty Pharma agreement. Interested to hear whether you're looking at any other royalty agreements that you may have internally, which could be capitalized and redeployed in this way.
Speaker #8: And then if I can squeeze a final one in on Servidutide the body composition data are clearly interesting but of course the debate ADA was on tolerability.
Speaker #8: To your earlier point are you able to tell us whether any of the new phase 3s that are planned will allow for slower dose titration to improve the AD profile and discontinuation rate?
Speaker #8: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your question. So I'll take the first and the last and then hand over the middle question to you Henryette. On timing of Petra Lindside mono I can assure you it's full speed ahead and I cannot comment on if it's before or after.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you for your question. I will take the first and the last, and then hand over the middle question to you, Henriette. On timing of petrelintide mono, I can assure you it is full speed ahead, and I cannot comment on if it is before or after we will start the combo study. But I can assure you that it is full speed ahead, as both Roche and we understand the importance of getting to market as early as possible with this potentially very important first-choice medicine. On survodutide, I think it is fair to expect that the titration scheme has been changed for the new phase III B studies that have been, the four studies that have been initiated this year. Also because Boehringer have already been outstating that for the LIVERAGE program, so the program targeting MASH, they have actually a different titration scheme.
Speaker #2: We'll start the combo study but I can assure you that it's full speed ahead as both Roche and we understand the importance of getting to market as early as possible with this potentially very important first choice medicine.
Speaker #2: On Servidutide I think it's fair to expect that the titration scheme has been changed for the new phase 3b studies that have been the four studies that have been initiated this year also because Boehringer have already been out stating that for the leverage program so the program targeting MASH they have actually a different titration scheme and you also heard if you participated at the ADA that the presenters there described that it does lead to a different experience on these drugs and less at least perceived side effects.
Adam Steensberg: You also heard, if you participated at the ADA, that the presenters there described that it does lead to a different experience on these drugs and less, at least, perceived side effects. That was what we heard, at least. Yes, we would assume the titration to be more reflecting what is being used in LIVERAGE, and there they have indicated that the titration is different. Really, again, highlighting that Boehringer have initiated a phase III B study to inform how to dose this product in the real world. Our clear assumption is that it will have a tolerability profile which is comparable to the other GLP-1s once you allow more flexibility in the dosing. That is why we are so excited. At least we also see Boehringer's excitement around the program. Henriette?
Speaker #2: That was what we heard, at least. So yes, we would assume the titration to be more reflective of what is being used in LEVORAG, and there they have indicated that the titration is different.
Speaker #2: And really again highlighting that Boehringer have initiated a phase 3b study to inform how to dose this product in a real world. So our clear assumption is that it will have a tolerability profile which is comparable to the other GLP-1s once you allow more flexibility in the dosing and that's why we are so excited at least we also see Boehringer's excitement around the program.
Speaker #2: Henryette?
Speaker #5: Thanks Adam. So of course what we do always is to look at our balance sheet and see how we optimize and also how we deploy capital.
Henriette Wennicke: Thanks, Adam. Of course, what we do always is to look at our balance sheet and see how we optimize and also how we deploy capital. You can say this was an example of active, you could say capital allocation. Of course, all our assets and all our agreements are listed in our annual report, so it should not be a surprise. But as always, as you know, we look for opportunities both to get cash in and cash out at the right time. This, I think, was a good example of that.
Speaker #5: And you can say this was an example of active you could say capital allocation. Of course all our assets and all our agreements are listed in our annual report.
Speaker #5: So it should not be a surprise but as always as you know we look for opportunities both to get cash in and cash out at the right time and this thing was a good example of that.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from the line of Mathias De Greve from KBC Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We will take our next question. Your next question comes from the line of Mathias Gries. Daniel from KBC Securities. Please go ahead your line is open.
Mathias De Greve: Hi, thanks for taking my question. I had one question on the KV1.3 inhibitor. Could that also be co-formulated with your other peptide drugs, in obesity-related indications? Thanks.
Speaker #7: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I had one question on the KB13 inhibitor. Could that also be co-formulated with your other peptide drugs in obesity-related indications?
Speaker #7: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Thank you. That's a very interesting question and it's definitely something we'll be looking into because the combination of both addressing metabolic disturbances and the underlying inflammatory components of metabolic diseases is highly interesting.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you. That's a very interesting question, and it's definitely something we'll be looking into, because the combination of both addressing metabolic disturbances and the underlying inflammatory components of metabolic diseases is highly interesting. So good question, and we'll probably address it in more details at future calls and conferences.
Speaker #2: So good question and we'll probably address it in more details at future calls and conferences.
Speaker #7: Hi. Heidi. We'll take one more question.
Eric Rojas: Hi, Heidi. We'll take one more question.
Operator: Thank you. Please stand by. Your final question comes from the line of Prakhar Agarwal from Archer. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Please stand by. Your final question comes from the line of Prakar Agwa from Alcantara. Please go ahead your line is open.
Speaker #7: Hi. Thank you so much for taking my questions and congrats on all the progress. Maybe firstly on Supreme 2 if Adam and David if you can set expectations for Supreme 2 on weight loss HbA1c and safety tolerability given what we saw in Supreme 1.
Prakhar Agarwal: Hi. Thank you so much for taking my questions, and congrats on all the progress. Maybe firstly, on ZUPREME-2, if Adam and David, if you can set expectations for ZUPREME-2 on weight loss, HbA1c, and safety tolerability, given what we saw in ZUPREME-1. Anything on the baseline, for example, men versus women split, that we should be aware for ZUPREME-2? That is my first question. Second question on the petrelintide plus Roche's GLP-1 GIP agonist combo. One clarification, if you can elaborate on the form factor. Is this a single-chamber device or something else? Last question, maybe just broadly on the KV1.3 channel blocker in psoriasis. Given what we are seeing with some of the orals in this space in psoriasis, where do you think this MOA can differentiate, especially in the context of oral JAKs and oral IL-23s that are showing biologic-like efficacy?
Speaker #7: Anything on the baselines example men versus women split that we should be aware for Supreme 2? That's my first question. Second question on the Petri plus Roche's GLP-1 GIP agonist combo one clarification.
Speaker #7: If you can elaborate on the form factor is this a single chamber device or something else? And then last question maybe just broadly on the KB1 1.3 channel blocker in psoriasis.
Speaker #7: Given what we are seeing with some of the orals in this space in psoriasis where do you think this MOA can differentiate especially with in the context of oral take 2s and oral R23s that are showing biologic-like efficacy?
Speaker #7: Anything that you think that KB1.3 could do better? Thank you so much.
Prakhar Agarwal: Anything that you think that KV1.3 could do better? Thank you so much.
Speaker #2: Thank you Prakar. I'll just answer your questions on Supreme 2. I would say it's a shorter study. Remember that. It will read out here in the second half.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you, Prakhar. I will just answer your questions. On ZUPREME-2, I would say it is a shorter study. Remember that. It will read out here in the H2. We will be looking to see, of course, both weight loss, but also glycemic control and other parameters. How they read out. One of the key features of amylin in general, and that is of course also why we are excited about this program, is that it looks like amylin is as effective in driving weight loss in obese individuals living with type 2 diabetes as it is in those who do not have type 2 diabetes. So that is some of the aspects we will be looking for in this study. Of course, also understanding better how petrelintide affects the glycemic situation for these patients.
Speaker #2: We will be looking to see of course both weight loss but also glycemic control and other parameters how they read out. One of the key features of Amylin in general and that's of course also why we're excited about this program is that it looks like Amylin is as effective in driving weight loss in obese individuals living with type 2 diabetes as it is in those who do not have type 2 diabetes.
Speaker #2: So that's some of the aspects we will be looking for on this study. And of course also understanding better how Petra affects the glycemic situation for these patients.
Speaker #2: But again I have to remind you that this study is not informing our phase 3 initiation but it's a study we very much look forward to see the results and really also if we can expect to see similar weight loss in patients with type 2 diabetes as in those who do not have diabetes.
Adam Steensberg: But again, I have to remind you that this study is not informing our phase III initiation, but it is a study we very much look forward to see the results and really also if we can expect to see similar weight loss in patients with type 2 diabetes as in those who do not have diabetes. Remember, with the other ones, often you see around 30% less effect for weight loss in patients with type 2 diabetes. On the combination of the two products, I forgot what you asked about, but on KV1.3, let me just answer on KV1.3 first on psoriasis. This is a small phase I-B/II-A study to look for PD markers in a disease state, and psoriasis is only one potential indication we are pursuing.
Speaker #2: Remember with GLP-1s often you see around 30% less effect for weight loss in patients with type 2 diabetes. On the combination of the two products I actually forgot what you asked about but on KB1.3 sorry but let me just answer on KB1.3 first on psoriasis.
Speaker #2: This is a small phase 1b2a study to look for PD markers in a disease state and psoriasis is only 1 potential indication we are pursuing.
Speaker #2: You should expect us to pursue multiple indications in parallel as we mature this program if it's successful here in the early stages. Could you just repeat your second question because?
Adam Steensberg: You should expect us to pursue multiple indications in parallel as we mature this program, if it is successful here in the early stages. Could you just repeat your second question?
Prakhar Agarwal: Yeah. It is on the form factor and the device. Is this like a single-use device that you are using in the
Speaker #7: Yeah. It's on the form factor and the device. Is this like a single-chamber device that you're using?
Adam Steensberg: Oh, sorry. I think David mentioned this in his prepared remarks, that we are applying two different cartridges in this study in order to inform the single cartridge use in the anticipated phase III program, where it should be a single container.
Speaker #2: David I think David mentioned this in his prepared remarks that we are applying two different cartridges in this study in order to inform the single cartridge use in the phase 3 program anticipated phase 3 program where it should be a single container.
Speaker #7: Thank you so much.
Prakhar Agarwal: Thank you so much.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. This concludes today's question-and-answer session. I'll now hand back to Adam Steensberg for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session. I will now hand back to Adam Steensberg for closing remarks.
Speaker #2: Thank you for attending and for all your questions today. We look forward to future announcements and updates and to connecting in the coming weeks and months.
Adam Steensberg: Thank you for attending and for all your questions today. We look forward to future announcements and updates, and to connecting in the coming weeks and months. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
