Q3 2025 Owens & Minor Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #2: Good day . And thank you for standing by . Welcome to Owens and Minor s third quarter 2020 earnings Conference Call . After the speakers remarks , there will be a question and answer session .

Speaker #2: If you would like to ask a question , please press star one on your telephone keypad . Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded .

Speaker #2: I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today . Will Parrish . Vice President , Investor Relations .

Speaker #3: Thank you . Operator . Good evening , everyone , and welcome to Owens and Miner's third quarter earnings call . Our comments on the call will be focused on the financial results for the third quarter of 2025 , all of which are included in today's press release .

Speaker #3: The press release , along with the third quarter 2025 supplemental earnings slides , are posted on the Investor Relations section of our website .

Speaker #3: Please note that during this call , we will make forward looking statements that reflect the current views of Owens and Minor about our business , financial performance and future events .

Will Parrish: Please note that during this call, we will make forward-looking statements that reflect the current views of Owens & Minor about our business, financial performance, and future events. The matters addressed in these statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or implied here today. Our expectations, beliefs, and projections are expressed in good faith, and we believe there is a reasonable basis for them. However, there can be no assurance that our expectations, beliefs, and projections will result or be achieved. Please refer to our SEC filings for a full description of these risks and uncertainties, including the risk factors section of our annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q.

Speaker #3: The matters addressed in these statements are subject to risks and uncertainties , which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or implied here today .

Speaker #3: Our expectations , beliefs and projections are expressed in good faith and we believe there is a reasonable basis for them . However , there can be no assurance that our expectations , beliefs and projections will result or be achieved .

Speaker #3: Please refer to our SEC filings for a full description of these risks and uncertainties, including the Risk Factors section of our Annual Report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q.

Speaker #3: Any forward looking statements that we make on this call or in our earnings press release are , as of today , and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events , except to the extent required by applicable law .

Will Parrish: Any forward-looking statements that we make on this call or in our earnings press release are, as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events, except to the extent required by applicable law. In our discussion today, we will refer to non-GAAP financial measures and believe they might help investors to better understand our performance or business trends. Information about these measures and reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our press release. Today, I am joined by Ed Pesicka, Owens & Minor's President and Chief Executive Officer; John Leon, the company's Chief Financial Officer; and Perry Bernacki, the EVP and CEO of the company's Patient Direct segment. I will now turn the call over to Ed. Ed? Thank you, Will. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today.

Speaker #3: In our discussion today , we will refer to non-GAAP financial measures and believe they might help investors to better understand our performance or business trends .

Speaker #3: Information about these measures and reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our press release today . I am joined by Edward Pesicka Owens and President and Chief Executive Officer John Leon , the company's chief financial officer , and Perry Bernacki , the EVP and CEO of the company's direct segment .

Speaker #3: I will now turn the call over to Ed . Ed . Thank you . Will . Good afternoon , everyone .

Speaker #4: And thank you for joining us on the call today . Earlier this month , we announced a definitive agreement with Platinum Equity to sell our products and healthcare services segment , which includes both the medical distribution and Global products divisions .

Will Parrish: Earlier this month, we announced a definitive agreement with Platinum Equity to sell our Products and Healthcare Services segment, which includes both the medical distribution and global products divisions. Built on a strong foundation, we believe PNHS will be better positioned to compete in today's evolving market under Platinum Equity's private ownership model. We are also excited to be retaining an equity interest in the business due to Platinum's operational expertise and commitment to building on the customer-centric legacy of the business, which will be critical to the future growth of PNHS. The Owens & Minor name has long been associated with our PNHS business, and thus will follow that business in the transaction. As we near the close of the transaction, we are excited that we will be rebranding the public entity to better represent our trajectory going forward.

Speaker #4: Built on a strong foundation , we believe will be better positioned to compete in today's evolving market . Under Platinum Equity's private ownership model , we are also excited to be retaining an equity interest in the business due to Platinum's operational expertise and commitment to building on the customer centric legacy of the business , which will be critical to the future growth of the Owens and minor name has long been associated with our business and thus will follow that business in the transaction .

Speaker #4: As we near the close of the transaction , we are excited that we will be rebranding the public entity to better represent our trajectory going forward .

Speaker #4: So as I think about the future following the divestiture of a product and healthcare services , I am thrilled that we can fully align around a single business .

Will Parrish: As I think about the future following the divestiture of Products and Healthcare Services, I am thrilled that we can fully align around a single business. Our capital allocation, strategic priorities, and execution are no longer split. They are unified around advancing the future of home-based care through Patient Direct. By retaining our higher-margin Patient Direct business, we will generate improved and more consistent cash flow. Accordingly, we will prioritize debt repayment in the near term to grow our financial flexibility while investing in technology to lower our cost to serve and improve the customer experience. I would like to begin by sharing some of the opportunities we're seeing in the market and how these trends we're tracking continue to support our business. A business that we have grown and strengthened over time.

Speaker #4: Our capital allocation , strategic priorities , and execution are no longer split . They are unified around advancing the future of home based care through patient , direct and by retaining our higher margin patient direct business .

Speaker #4: We will generate improved and more consistent cash flow . Accordingly , we will prioritize debt repayment in the near term to grow our financial flexibility while investing in technology to lower our cost to serve and improve the customer experience .

Speaker #4: Now , I would like to begin by sharing some of the opportunities we're seeing in the market and how these trends we're tracking continue to support our business .

Speaker #4: A business that we have grown and strengthened over time , beginning with our acquisition of Byrom in 2017 . We have spent the past eight years firmly establishing ourselves as a leader in the home based care space .

Will Parrish: Beginning with our acquisition of Byrum in 2017, we have spent the past eight years firmly establishing ourselves as a leader in the home-based care space. During this time, we have expanded and diversified our payer relationships while broadening our product offering and capabilities. This, combined with our coast-to-coast network, gives us the reach and infrastructure to provide support for patients across multiple chronic conditions, including diabetes and sleep apnea. These conditions are not only widespread, they're growing, which creates a tremendous opportunity for us to make a meaningful impact. Over 37 million people in the U.S. have been diagnosed with diabetes, and an estimated 96 million adults aged 18 and older are living with pre-diabetes, according to the National Institutes of Health.

Speaker #4: During this time , we have expanded and diversified our payer relationships while broadening our product offering and capabilities . This , combined with our coast to coast network , gives us the reach and infrastructure to provide support for patients across multiple chronic conditions , including diabetes and sleep apnea .

Speaker #4: These conditions are not only widespread , they're growing , which creates a tremendous opportunity for us to make a meaningful impact . Over 37 million people in the United States have been diagnosed with diabetes , and an estimated 96 million adults aged 18 and older are living with prediabetes , according to the National Institutes of Health .

Speaker #4: In order to capture future growth from these tailwinds , we will focus our investments on technology and automation , which will one improve the patient's experience .

Will Parrish: In order to capture future growth from these tailwinds, we will focus our investments on technology and automation, which will, one, improve the patient's experience, two, allow us to quickly scale our business, three, increase awareness, and four, further reduce our cost to serve. Another core area for us is sleep apnea, where it is estimated that 85 million adults in the U.S. have some degree of OSA, with approximately 70 million of those presently undiagnosed or undergoing the diagnosis process. While the use of GLP-1s has increased in recent years, recent studies published by The Lancet expect the use of GLP-1s to reduce the prevalence of OSA by only 4% over the next 25 years. This is a significant opportunity for us to serve these future patients.

Speaker #4: Two allow us to quickly scale our business . Three increase awareness and four further reduce our cost to serve . Another core area for us is sleep apnea , where it is estimated that 85 million adults in the United States have some degree of OSA , with approximately 70 million of those presently undiagnosed or undergoing the diagnosis process .

Speaker #4: While competitive bidding programs have historically raised questions about patient choice and supplier access , we believe our scale , expertise and the quality of the products we distribute positions us as a standout partner in any environment .

Speaker #4: the use of GLP one has increased in recent years , recent studies published by The Lancet expect the use of GLP one to reduce the prevalence of OSA by only 4% over the next 25 years .

Will Parrish: It also further demonstrates the value of our preferred provider agreements, where new patients are encouraged to begin their lifelong treatment journey with us, supporting better health and a better quality of life. Earlier this year, CMS proposed rules regarding competitive bidding around home-based healthcare and DME. Since entering the home-based care space, our top priority has always been and will continue to be ensuring patients receive the products and services they need reliably and on time. While competitive bidding programs have historically raised questions about patient choice and supplier access, we believe our scale, expertise, and the quality of the products we distribute positions us as a standout partner in any environment. As we await further guidance from CMS, we are actively collaborating with industry partners and advocacy groups to maintain a strong, transparent dialogue that keeps patient outcomes at the center of the conversation.

Speaker #4: As we await further guidance from CMS , we are actively collaborating with industry partners and advocacy groups to maintain a strong , transparent dialogue that keeps patient outcomes at the center of the conversation .

Speaker #4: Before I turn the call over to John to discuss our third quarter financial performance and our thoughts on the year end , I would like to close my thoughts today on where we're going in 2026 .

Will Parrish: Before I turn the call over to John to discuss our Q3 financial performance and our thoughts on the year-end, I would like to close my thoughts today on where we're going in 2026. With the divestiture of Products and Healthcare Services expected to close in Q1 of 2026, we are incredibly excited about the future as a pure-play business in the home-based care space. As our business grows organically through our preferred provider agreements, such as our recently announced agreement with Optum and an aggressive sales strategy, we are diligently focused on controlling our balance sheet through debt paydown, managing operational cost controls, lowering the cost to serve, and accelerating our cash flow generation. As we close out 2025 and look forward to 2026, we will begin the next evolution for Owens & Minor Inc.

Speaker #4: With the divestiture of product and healthcare services expected to close in the first quarter of 2026 . We are incredibly excited about the future as a pure play business in the home based care space .

Speaker #4: As our business grows organically through our preferred provider agreements such as our recently announced agreement with Optum and an aggressive sales strategy , we .

Speaker #4: We are diligently focused on controlling our balance sheet through debt paydown, managing operational cost controls, lowering the cost to serve, and accelerating our cash flow generation.

Speaker #4: As we close out 2025 and look forward to 2026, we will begin the next evolution for Owens & Minor, with myself, John, and Perry Bernanke.

Will Parrish: with myself, John, and Perry Bernacki, the Executive Vice President of our Patient Direct business, remaining at the helm of our organization. I would like to thank all our teammates who have done a great job of staying focused on serving our customers. With that, I will now turn the call over to John to discuss our financial performance in Q3 and our outlook for the rest of 2025. John? Thanks, Ed, and good afternoon, everyone. We were very excited to announce the signed agreement for the sale of the Products and Healthcare Services segment a few weeks ago. I've had the pleasure of getting to know and working with the Platinum Equity team and absolutely believe they are the right owners for the PNHS business.

Speaker #4: The Executive vice President of our Patient Direct business , remaining at the helm of our organization . I would like to thank all our teammates who have done a great job of staying focused on serving our customers .

Speaker #4: With that , I will now turn the call over to John to discuss our financial performance in the third quarter and our outlook for the rest of 2025 .

Speaker #4: John .

Speaker #5: Thanks and good afternoon , everyone . We were very excited to announce the signed agreement for the sale of the products and healthcare Services segment a few weeks ago .

Speaker #5: I've had the pleasure of getting to know and working with the Platinum Equity team , and absolutely believe they are the right owners for the business .

Speaker #5: Further , we're extremely excited about our future as a pure play , home based care company with all the positive attributes that come with it .

Will Parrish: Further, we're extremely excited about our future as a pure-play home-based care company with all the positive attributes that come with it, as Ed detailed. We look forward to having a simpler business model and a cleaner investment thesis. We also believe our ability to dedicate investments solely into the subtracted space will lead to much greater results for all stakeholders. As you will recall from last quarter, the Products and Healthcare Services segment is being accounted for as an asset held for sale, discontinued operations. Unless stated otherwise, my remarks today will focus solely on the continuing operations, which, as a reminder, is made up of our Patient Direct business and certain functional operations and identified stranded costs from the separation. Also, please note that any discussion about the financial results and outlook for the business will cover only non-GAAP financial measures.

Speaker #5: As it detail . We look forward to having a simpler business model in a cleaner investment thesis . We also believe our ability to dedicate investments solely into this attractive space will lead to much greater results for all stakeholders .

Speaker #5: As you will recall from last quarter , the products and healthcare Services segment is being accounted for as an asset held for sale .

Speaker #5: This operations . So unless stated otherwise , my remarks today will focus solely on the continuing operations , which as a reminder , is made up of our patient direct business and certain functional operations and identified stranded costs from the separation .

Speaker #5: Also , please note that any discussion about the financial results in outlook for the business will cover only non-GAAP financial measures . You can find GAAP to non-GAAP Financial reconciliations in the press release filed a short time ago , and residing on our website .

Will Parrish: You can find GAAP to non-GAAP financial reconciliations in the press release filed a short time ago and residing on our website. Turning now to the Q3 results. Revenue was $697 million, compared to just under $687 million in Q3 of last year. Last year, in Q3, there was a $6 million one-time revenue benefit from a multi-year claims reprocessing matter. This impacted the growth rate by about 80 basis points. In the quarter, there was decent year-over-year growth in the key categories of sleep therapy, ostomy, and urology. Diabetes was nearly flat compared to Q3 of 2024, but showed better year-over-year performance compared to Q2. We continue to ramp up efforts to recapture stronger diabetes growth through improved therapy adherence and capturing more customers across our entire ecosystem of both DME and our own pharmacy channel.

Speaker #5: Turning now to the third quarter results . Revenue was $697 million compared to just under $687 million in the third quarter of last year .

Speaker #5: Last year , in the third quarter , there was a $6 million one time revenue benefit from a multiyear claims reprocessing matter . This impacted the growth rate by about 80 basis points in the quarter .

Speaker #5: There was decent year over year growth in the key categories of sleep therapy , ostomy and urology . Diabetes is nearly flat compared to the third quarter of 2020 .

Speaker #5: Four , but showed better year over year performance compared to the second quarter . We continue to ramp up efforts to recapture stronger diabetes growth through improved therapy adherence and capturing more customers across our entire ecosystem of both DME and our own pharmacy channel .

Speaker #5: Overall , we would expect revenue in Q4 to show a similar year over year growth rate , but be seasonally improved from the third quarter .

Will Parrish: Overall, we would expect revenue in Q4 to show a similar year-over-year growth rate, but be seasonally improved from Q3 in absolute dollar terms. For the nine months ended September 30, revenue was nearly $2.1 billion, up 3.4%, with last year's Q3 one-time benefit that I just mentioned having a 30 basis point impact on growth compared to 2024. Similar to the quarter, growth for the year-to-date period was led by sleep therapy, ostomy, and urology, as well as smaller categories, including chest wall oscillation, which, although still small, has shown phenomenal growth and demonstrates our ability to successfully expand our therapy portfolio. Adjusted EBITDA for Q3 was $92 million compared to $108 million in last year's Q3. Here, that same one-time $6 million benefit from last year falls straight through to adjusted EBITDA and hindered reported EBITDA growth by nearly 500 basis points.

Speaker #5: In absolute dollar terms for the nine months ended September 30th , revenue was nearly $2.1 billion , up 3.4% with last year's Q3 one time benefit that I just mentioned .

Speaker #5: Having a 30 basis point impact on growth compared to 2024 . Similar to the quarter growth for the year to date period was led by sleep therapy , ostomy and urology .

Speaker #5: As well as smaller categories including chest wall oscillation , which , although still small , has shown a phenomenal growth in demonstrates our ability to successfully expand our therapy portfolio .

Speaker #5: Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was 92 million , compared to 108 million in last year's third quarter . Here . That same one time $6 million benefit from last year falls straight through to adjusted EBITDA and hindered reported EBITDA growth by nearly 500 basis points .

Speaker #5: Additionally, product cost increases and higher health benefit costs were only partially offset by lower general costs, such as delivery, outsourcing, and occupancy expenses.

Will Parrish: Additionally, product cost increases and higher health benefit costs were only partially offset by lower general costs such as delivery, outsourcing, and occupancy expenses. It is important to realize that Q3 adjusted EBITDA for continuing operations, of course, includes the normal adjustments to EBITDA of interest, income taxes, depreciation, amortization, and less than $1 million of exit and realignment charges. The $92 million earned is an appropriate representation of cash earnings before interest and taxes. This return to a higher earnings quality is quite different from what we've been able to report over the past several quarters. There will certainly be periods of time when there are cash adjustments in the adjusted EBITDA figure, but this is an example of what is meant when we refer to a cleaner and simpler investment story as a result of the divestiture.

Speaker #5: It is important to realize that the third quarter adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations , of course , includes the normal adjustments to EBITDA of interest , income taxes , depreciation , amortization and less than 1 million of exit and realignment charges .

Speaker #5: So the 92 million earned is an appropriate representation of cash earnings before interest and taxes . This return to a higher earnings quality is quite different from what we've been able to report over the past several quarters .

Speaker #5: There will certainly be periods of time where there are cash adjustments in the adjusted EBITDA figure , but this is an example of what is meant when we refer to a cleaner and simpler investment story as a result of the divestiture for the year to date period , adjusted EBITDA was $285 million .

Will Parrish: For the year-to-date period, adjusted EBITDA was $285 million, a reported 6.3% increase compared to $268 million for the nine months ended in 2024. On the larger year-to-date adjusted EBITDA amount, last year's Q3 one-time $6 million benefit was an approximate 230 basis point drag on the year-to-date growth rate. Q3 results include $11 million of stranded costs, which is the same as last year's Q3 and the Q2 of 2025. Year-to-date stranded costs were $25 million versus $39 million for the same period in 2024. We continue to believe the annualized stranded costs from the divestiture will be approximately $40 million. Adjusted net income was $0.25 per share, which compares to $0.36 per share in the Q3 of 2024. For the nine months ended September 30, adjusted net income per share was $0.80 versus $0.64 in the same period last year.

Speaker #5: A reported 6.3% increase compared to 268 million for the nine months ended in 2020 . For on the larger year to date , adjusted EBITDA amount , last year's third quarter one time $6 million benefit was an approximate 230 basis point drag on the year to date growth rate .

Speaker #5: Third quarter results include 11 million of stranded costs , which is the same as last year's third quarter and the second quarter of 2025 .

Speaker #5: Year to date , stranded costs were 25 million versus 39 million for the same period in 2020 . For we continue to believe the annualized stranded costs from the divestiture will be approximately 40 million .

Speaker #5: Adjusted net income was $0.25 per share , which compares to $0.36 per share in the third quarter of 2020 . For . For the nine months ended September 30th , adjusted net income per share was $0.80 versus $0.64 in the same period last year .

Speaker #5: We are affirming our guidance for 2025 . Full year of revenue between 2.76 and 2.82 billion . Adjusted net income between $1 two and $1 seven per share , and adjusted EBITDA between 376 and 382 million .

Will Parrish: We are affirming our guidance for 2025 full year of revenue between $2.76 and $2.82 billion, adjusted net income between $1.02 and $1.07 per share, and adjusted EBITDA between $376 and $382 million. Based on my earlier comments around Q4 revenue, we expect full year revenue to come in toward the bottom of the guidance range. On the guidance assumption slide that has been posted to the investor relations section of our website, you will notice that the interest expense range has increased as a result of a change in the allocation of these expenses between continuing and discontinued operations. We believe the increase in interest expense will be offset by lower stock compensation expense, and as a result, the EPS guidance range is unchanged. Turning to the balance sheet and cash flow, as of September 30, net debt was $2.1 billion.

Speaker #5: Based on my earlier comments around fourth quarter revenue , we expect full year revenue to come in toward the bottom of the guidance range on the guidance assumptions slide that has been posted to the Investor Relations section of our website .

Speaker #5: You will notice that the interest expense range has increased as a result of a change in the allocation of these expenses between continuing and discontinued operations .

Speaker #5: We believe the increase in interest expense will be offset by lower stock compensation expense , and as a result , the EPs guidance range is unchanged .

Speaker #5: Turning to the balance sheet and cash flow at September 30th . Net debt was 2.1 billion since year end 2020 . Four . The increase in debt is related to the expenses to exit the previously planned Rotech acquisition , which were paid in June of approximately 100 million and more recently , cost to remedy a challenging startup of a new facility for the products and healthcare services segment , which has led to a temporary inventory imbalance .

Will Parrish: Since year-end 2024, the increase in debt is related to the expenses to exit the previously planned Rotech acquisition, which were paid in June of approximately $100 million, and more recently, costs to remedy a challenging startup of a new kitting facility for the Products and Healthcare Services segment, which has led to a temporary inventory imbalance. Work needed for that PNHS kitting facility is ongoing, and as a result, the net debt level at the end of this year is expected to be only slightly lower than at September 30. While detrimentally impacting Q3 cash flow, as shown in the consolidated cash flow statement, the overbought inventory from the startup will benefit customer demand across the PNHS business lines in the coming months and reduces the cash need to be spent over that same time period.

Speaker #5: Work needed for that facility is ongoing. As a result, the net debt level at the end of this year is expected to be only slightly lower than at September 30.

Speaker #5: While detrimentally impacting third quarter cash flow , as shown in the Consolidated Cash Flow statement . The overbought inventory from the startup will benefit customer demand across the business lines in the coming months , and reduces the cash need to be spent over that same time period .

Speaker #5: It's important to recognize that more than 100% of the cash used from operating activity in the three and nine months ended periods was due to the discontinued operations , and that continuing operations , inclusive of stranded costs , generated cash from operating activity .

Will Parrish: It's important to recognize that more than 100% of the cash used from operating activity in the three and nine-month ended periods was due to the discontinued operations and that continuing operations, inclusive of stranded costs, generated cash from operating activity. In fact, in measuring leverage-free cash flow as adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations, less CapEx from continuing operations, and less all interest costs across both continuing and discontinued operations, there was $28 million of free cash flow in Q3 and $78 million through the first nine months of the year. Before taking questions, I'd like to say we're very bullish on the outlook for the home-based care business and recognize that it's a very exciting time in the history of Owens & Minor. We look forward to getting on the road, sharing our enthusiasm, and having the market better appreciate the attractiveness of the home-based care space.

Speaker #5: In fact , in measuring levered free cash flow as adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations , less CapEx from continuing operations and less all interest costs across both continuing and discontinued operations .

Speaker #5: There was $28 million of free cash flow in the third quarter , and 78 million through the first nine months of the year .

Speaker #5: Before taking questions, I'd like to say we're very bullish on the outlook for the home-based care business and recognize that it's a very exciting time in the history of Owens & Minor, Inc.

Speaker #5: We look forward to getting on the road , sharing our enthusiasm and having the market better appreciate the attractiveness of the home based care space .

Speaker #5: With that , I'll now turn the call back to the operator for Q&A . Operator .

Will Parrish: With that, I'll now turn the call back to the operator for Q&A. Operator? Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press Star 1 again. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up, then rejoin the queue if needed. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Michael Černe with Leerink Partners. Your line is open.

Speaker #2: Thank you . If you would like to ask a question , please press Star One on your telephone keypad . If you would like to withdraw your question , simply press star one .

Speaker #2: Again , we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow up . Then rejoin the queue if needed . Thank you .

Speaker #2: Your first question comes from the line of Michael Cherny with Leerink Partners . Your line is open .

Speaker #6: Great . Thank you . This is Dan Clark on for Mike . First from from us . Appreciate all the color you gave on on kind of results in three Q and how you're thinking about the rest of the year .

[Analyst 1]: Great. Thank you. This is Dan Clark on for Mike. First, from us, appreciate all the color you gave on kind of results in Q3 and how you're thinking about the rest of the year. At a high level, how should we think about the durability of these trends going into 2026? Would love to hear, as a follow-up, just kind of how your selling into the Optum channel is going thus far. Thank you.

Speaker #6: At a high level , how should we think about the durability of these trends going into 2026 . And then would love to hear as a follow up , just kind of how you're selling into the Optum channel is going thus far .

Speaker #6: Thank you .

Speaker #4: Thank you . Well , this is Ed . I'll start , you know , the selling in the open channel . It's new .

Edward Pesicka: Thank you. This is Ed. I'll start. Selling in the Optum channel, it's new. We just recently signed the preferred provider agreement. We're tracking where we expect to track on that, but it's going to create more and more opportunities for us as we move forward. Regarding going forward in 2026, we haven't published 2026 data or information yet. We'll do that when we get closer to when we report the full year results for the business.

Speaker #4: We're just we just recently signed the preferred provider agreement . You know we're tracking where we expect to track on that . But it's going to create more and more opportunities for us as we as we move forward .

Speaker #4: You know , regarding , you know , going forward in 26 , we haven't published 26 data or information yet . We'll do that when we get closer to when we get when we report the full year results for the business .

Speaker #7: Yeah , I would just add , Dan , there's really not much secular going on that would change this . Trends . I'll remind you that we've discussed it's in our 10-q filed on tomorrow morning , that there'll be a large customer loss in patient in the continuing operations in 2026 .

John Leon: Yeah, I would just add, Dan, there's really not much secular going on that would change those trends. I'll remind you that we've discussed in our 10-Q files tomorrow morning that there'd be a large customer loss in the continuing operations in 2026 that'll impact the full year. Absent that, we expect a fairly strong 2026. As Ed said, we'll put guidance out with the Q4 results.

Speaker #5: That will impact , you know , the full year . But absent that , we expect a fairly strong 2026 . As Ed said , we'll we'll put guidance out with the fourth quarter results .

Speaker #2: The next question comes from the line of Kevin Caliendo with UBS . Your line is open .

Will Parrish: The next question comes from the line of Kevin Caliendo with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker #8: Hi , guys . Thanks for taking my question . I guess it's of a follow up to that in terms of trends , how should we be thinking about this company's business or outlook for 2026 ?

[Analyst 2]: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I guess it's sort of a follow-up to that in terms of trends. How should we be thinking about this company's business or outlook for 2026? Is there anything you can kind of lay out in terms of how the trends are migrating, how we should think about modeling it, broadly speaking? I know you're not here to provide guidance, but there's obviously so many moving parts. How to think about run rates or anything like that would be super helpful. The same sort of around free cash flow for 2025 and maybe how to think about free cash flow trends beyond where we are. I appreciate the color on what the sort of normalized cash flow was this quarter.

Speaker #8: Is there anything you can kind of lay out in terms of how the trends are migrating , how we should think about modeling it ?

Speaker #8: Broadly speaking, I know you're not here to provide guidance, but there are obviously so many moving parts. It would be super helpful to understand how to think about run rates or anything like that.

Speaker #8: And the same sort of around free cash flow for 2025 and maybe how to think about free cash flow trends beyond where we are .

Speaker #8: I appreciate the color on what the sort of normalized cash flow was this quarter .

Speaker #5: Yeah . Kevin , it's John . I'll take a crack at starting that . So if you think about the trends going forward , the continuing operations , you see , you know , not dissimilar trends on organic basis , you would normally see , I think we'll have .

John Leon: Yeah, Kevin, it's John. I'll take a crack at starting that. If you think about the trends going forward, the continuing operations, you can see not dissimilar trends on an organic basis you would normally see. I think we'll have, absent the exiting one customer, which we have talked about quite a bit, and just like I said, there's more detail in our 10Q. You'll see tomorrow around that. Absent that, I think we'll have a pretty decent top-line growth rate, call it organically, if you will, absent that loss, and some margin improvement and cash flow improvement given the absence of that loss of that contract, because as we've talked about before, that is not a margin-attractive or necessarily cash flow-positive contract that's being lost. That will certainly improve.

Speaker #5: Absent , you know , the exiting one customer which we have talked about quite a bit . And just like I said , there's more detail in our 10-q .

Speaker #5: You'll see tomorrow around that . But absent that , I think we'll have a pretty decent top line growth rate . Call it organically if you will .

Speaker #5: After that loss and some margin improvement in cash flow improvement , given the absence of that loss of the contract , because as we've talked about before , that is not a a margin attractive or necessarily cash flow positive contract .

Speaker #5: That's being lost . So that will certainly improve . From a free cash flow perspective on a continuing basis . As I try to outline in my prepared remarks , I think you expect Q4 to look a lot like Q3 from a continuing basis .

John Leon: From a free cash flow perspective, on a continuing ops basis, as I tried to outline in my prepared remarks, I think you expect Q4 to look a lot like Q3 from a continuing ops basis. I think we'll have some nice free cash flow. As we go to 2026, again, the trend shouldn't necessarily change. We'll be losing the heavy CapEx burden of that one large contract, but we will have stranded costs that we have to, that we'll begin to actively take out once the divestiture closes. As well, there's the start of the other divestiture-related costs that we'll be paying really more so in the back half of 2026.

Speaker #5: I think you will have some nice free cash flow as we go . 26 . Again , the trend shouldn't necessarily change will be losing the heavy CapEx burden of that one large , large , large contract .

Speaker #5: But we will have stranded costs that we have to that will begin to actively take out once the divestiture closes . And as well , there's , you know , the start the other divestiture related costs that will be paying really more so in the back half of 2026 .

Speaker #5: So I wouldn't expect it to be , you know , not a not terribly dissimilar to 25 recognizing that will have a number of those one off costs .

John Leon: I would expect it to be not terribly dissimilar to 2025, recognizing that we'll have a number of those one-off costs around the divestiture, which we have generally sized and are part of the press release we put out around the divestiture itself.

Speaker #5: Around the around the divestiture , which we have generally sized and are , you know , part of the the press release we put out around the divestiture itself .

Speaker #8: That's helpful . If I can ask a quick follow up , the balance sheet , there's so many moving pieces on here in current debt and timing .

[Analyst 2]: That's helpful. If I can ask a quick follow-up. The balance sheet, there's so many moving pieces on here in current debt and timing. I know there's a lot going on here, so it's hard to get a full picture just on this one point in time. Relative—post the acquisition or post the divestiture, excuse me, and where you sit, you have obviously talked with your credit agencies and everything else, your lenders. Is there any risk to covenants or anything that needs to change within those covenants coming out of this? Post sort of now that you've announced the deal and everything else is done and you're a month past, is that all fine?

Speaker #8: I know , I know , there's a lot going on here , so it's hard to get a full picture just on this one point in time .

Speaker #8: But relative , you know , post the acquisition or post the divestiture . Excuse me . And where you sit , you have obviously talked with your credit agencies and everything else .

Speaker #8: Your lenders are there . Is there any risk to covenants or anything that needs to change within those covenants coming out of this post ?

Speaker #8: Sort of . Now that you've announced the deal and everything else is done and you're you're a month past , or is that all fine ?

Speaker #5: No . We're good . No , not at all . We just actually sent our covenant compliance to lenders and agencies . And last 48 hours very comfortable and compliance .

John Leon: No, we're good. Not at all. We just actually sent our covenant compliance to lenders and agencies in the last 48 hours. Very comfortable in compliance, and we expect to remain comfortable in compliance throughout.

Speaker #5: And we expect to remain comfortable in compliance throughout .

Speaker #8: Great . That's super helpful . Thanks , guys .

[Analyst 2]: Great. That's super helpful. Thanks, guys.

Speaker #2: Once again , if you have a question , it is star one on your telephone keypad . The next question comes from Daniel Grosslight of Citi .

Will Parrish: Once again, if you have a question, it is Star 1 on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Daniel Grosslight of Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker #2: Your line is open .

Speaker #9: Hey guys . Thanks for taking the question . I was hoping you could provide a little bit more detail on how these preferred vendor agreements work .

[Analyst 3]: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping you could provide a little bit more detail on how these preferred provider agreements work. As we think about the loss of Kaiser next year, you've mentioned many times that that's not an attractive piece of business from a margin perspective. How many of these larger preferred provider agreements do you think you would need to sign to kind of fill that Kaiser hole on the profitability, from a profitability standpoint?

Speaker #9: And as we think about the loss of of Kaiser next year , you've mentioned many times that that's not in a attractive . Piece of business from a margin perspective , but how many of these larger preferred vendor agreements do you think you would need to sign to kind of fill that Kaiser hole on the profitability from a profitability standpoint ?

Speaker #4: I'll start with that . And then , you know , obviously , you know , we'll have period some color onto this too .

Edward Pesicka: Yeah, I'll start with that. Obviously, we'll have Perry add some color onto this too. I mean, I think we did lose the large customer contract. It was a unique contract in that sense. As John talked about it, when we looked at the EBITDA compared to CapEx on it, it was not a very positive cash flow-generating business. That alone, it will take very, very little additional revenue to pick up and cover that. Again, not to cover the revenue, but to cover the EBITDA and the cash flow. In addition to that, Perry, let me let you add additional color on what you're seeing and how you're thinking about those preferred provider agreements and the ramp of them.

Speaker #4: I mean , I think we did lose , you know , we did lose a large customer contract . You know , it was a unique contract in that sense .

Speaker #4: And as John talked about it , when we looked at the EBITDA compared to cash , compared to CapEx on it , it was not a very positive cash flow generating , you know , business .

Speaker #4: So that alone , it will take very , very little additional revenue to pick up and cover that . You know , again , not to cover the revenue , but to cover the EBITDA and the cash flow .

Speaker #4: You know , and then in addition to that , Perry , let me let you add additional color on what you're seeing . And how you're thinking about those preferred provider agreements .

Speaker #4: And the ramp of them .

Speaker #9: Oh , thanks , editor . And from a standpoint of the Optum agreement , it's in its early stages . It said , we have 450 forward facing salespeople that are marketing to over 100,000 potential referral sources within Optum .

Perry Bernacki: Thanks, Ed. From a standpoint of the Optum agreement, it's in its early stages, as Ed said. We have 450 forward-facing salespeople that are marketing to over 100,000 potential referral sources within Optum. What it does do is give us a preferred position within the Optum closed network as Apria and Byram as the leading home care home-based DME provider. That is a go-to-market strategy from a push and a pull perspective within Optum. To Ed's further point, it will take less contracts or less revenue growth to cover the loss of the contract that we are losing, given everything that Ed outlined and John outlined. It won't take much for us to replace from a gross margin and an EBITDA perspective.

Speaker #9: What it does do is give us a preferred position within the Optum close network , as Byram , as the leading home care home based DME provider .

Speaker #9: So that is that is a go to market strategy from a push and a pull perspective within Optum to further point , it will take less contracts or less revenue growth to cover the loss of the contract that we are losing .

Speaker #9: Given everything that Ed outlined and John outlined, it won't take much for us to replace from a margin, from a gross margin and an EBITDA perspective.

Speaker #10: I .

Speaker #9: Got it . Thank you . And just as a follow up , I wanted to dig a little bit more into that . That issue in that is weighing on free cash flow .

[Analyst 3]: Got it. Thank you. Just as a follow-up, I wanted to dig a little bit more into that issue in PNHS that is waiting on free cash flow. I think you mentioned with a kidney client. Can you just maybe explain that in a little bit more detail? It is a little bit tough to look at your cash flow and balance sheet given cash flows on a consolidated basis and balance sheet is continued and discontinued operations. Maybe if you can help just parse out where in the cash flow statement that headwind sits. Thanks.

Speaker #9: I think you mentioned with with the kidney client , can you just maybe explain that in a little bit more detail ? And , you know , it is a little bit tough to to look at your cash flow and balance sheet given , you know , cash flows on a consolidated basis and , and balance sheet is , you know , continued and discontinued operations .

Speaker #9: So maybe if you can help just parse out where in that the cash flow statement that headwind sits . Thanks .

Speaker #4: Yes . So so I think there's a couple of things I know John in his script , he tried to , you know , basically parse out as much as he possibly could what the free cash flow looks like from a continuing operations basis based on continuing , obviously , EBITDA , you know , the CapEx as well as consolidated interest in the space , you know , this has to do with , you know , we are opening up a new hitting facility outside of the US .

Edward Pesicka: Yes. I think there's a couple of things. I know John, in his script, he tried to basically parse out as much as he possibly could what the free cash flow looks like from a continuing operations basis based on continuing ops EBITDA, the CapEx, as well as consolidated interest in the space. This has to do with we are opening up a new kitting facility outside of the U.S. There's normal startup costs associated with that. The biggest thing was the over-acquiring of inventory to make sure we could make the kits and have it on there for scale. It's something that will work itself out through the next quarter plus, but it really is associated with a brand new startup of our kitting facility outside of the U.S. to make sure we have the ability to have diversified kitting both in the U.S. and external U.S.

Speaker #4: You know , there's normal startup start up costs associated with that . And the biggest thing was , you know , the over , you know , acquiring of inventory to make sure we could make the kits and had it on there for scale .

Speaker #4: It's something that will work itself out through the next quarter . Plus . But it really is associated with a brand new start up of our kitting facility outside of the US to make sure we have the ability to have diversified kitting , both in the US and external us for our customers .

Edward Pesicka: for our customers. The bulk of that will show up in inventory as well as the change in payables we saw in this quarter. John, I don't know if you want to add additional or.

Speaker #4: And the bulk of that will show up in inventory as well as the change in payables we saw in this quarter . So , John , I don't know if you want to add additional or no .

Speaker #5: It's basically right in my remarks. I mean, what we're doing now is making sure that that burns off effectively that we serve all the customers' needs.

John Leon: No, that's basically right. In my remarks, I mean, what we're doing now is making sure that burns off effectively, that we serve all the customers' needs in the kitting business, and that it defers other need for other capital across the business, both kitting and otherwise, for the rest of the year. It should burn itself off, but it will take a few months to do so.

Speaker #5: And the business and that it has the defers other , other need for other capital across the business , both kitting and otherwise .

Speaker #5: For the rest of the year, it should burn itself off. But it will take a few months to do so.

Speaker #9: Got it . Thank you .

[Analyst 3]: Got it. Thank you.

Speaker #2: This concludes the question and answer session . I'll turn the call to Ed for closing remarks .

Will Parrish: This concludes the question and answer session. I'll turn the call to Ed for closing remarks.

Speaker #4: Great . Thank you . Operator . You know , it's really an exciting period in the history of Owens and minor . We're incredibly excited about the future as a pure play supplier in the home based care , and I look forward to sharing this progress with everyone early next year .

Edward Pesicka: Great. Thank you, Operator. It's really an exciting period in the history of Owens & Minor Inc. We're incredibly excited about the future as a pure-play supplier in home-based care. I look forward to sharing this progress with everyone early next year. Thank you, everyone.

Speaker #4: So thank you everyone .

Will Parrish: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.