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Q4 2025 Abbott Laboratories Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Abbott's fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be able to listen only until the question-and-answer portion of this call.
Operator: Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Abbott's Q4 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be able to listen only until the question-and-answer portion of this call. During the question-and-answer session, you will be able to ask your question by pressing the star 11 keys on your touch-tone phone. This call is being recorded by Abbott. With the exception of any participants' questions asked during the question-and-answer session, the entire call, including the question-and-answer session, is material copyrighted by Abbott. It cannot be recorded or rebroadcast without Abbott's express written permission. I would now like to introduce Mr. Mike Comilla, Vice President, Investor Relations.
Operator: Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Abbott's Q4 2025 Earnings conference call. All participants will be able to listen only until the question-and-answer portion of this call. During the question-and-answer session, you will be able to ask your question by pressing the star 11 keys on your touch-tone phone. This call is being recorded by Abbott. With the exception of any participants' questions asked during the question-and-answer session, the entire call, including the question-and-answer session, is material copyrighted by Abbott. It cannot be recorded or rebroadcast without Abbott's express written permission. I would now like to introduce Mr. Mike Comilla, Vice President, Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: During the question-and-answer session, you will be able to ask your question by pressing the star 1-1 keys on your touch-tone phone. This call is being recorded by Abbott.
Speaker #1: With the exception of any participant's questions asked, during the question-and-answer session, the entire call, including the question-and-answer session, is material copyrighted by ABBOTT. It cannot be recorded or rebroadcast without ABBOTT's express written permission.
Speaker #1: I would now like to introduce Mr. Mike Comilla, Vice President, Investor Relations.
Speaker #2: Good morning, and thank you for joining us. With me today are Robert Ford, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Phil Boudreau, Executive Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Officer.
Mike Comilla: Good morning, and thank you for joining us. With me today are Robert Ford, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Phil Boudreau, Executive Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Robert and Phil will provide opening remarks. Following their comments, we'll take your questions. Before we get started, some statements made today may be forward-looking for purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including the expected results for 2026. Abbott cautions that these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward-looking statements. Economic, competitive, governmental, technological, and other factors that may affect Abbott's operations are discussed in item 1A, Risk Factors, to our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended 31 December 2024.
Mike Comilla: Good morning, and thank you for joining us. With me today are Robert Ford, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Phil Boudreau, Executive Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Robert and Phil will provide opening remarks. Following their comments, we'll take your questions. Before we get started, some statements made today may be forward-looking for purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including the expected results for 2026. Abbott cautions that these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: Robert and Phil will provide opening remarks following their comments. We'll take your questions. Before we get started, some statements made today may be forward-looking for purposes of the private securities litigation reform act of 1995, including the expected results for 2026.
Speaker #2: ABBOTT cautions that these forward-looking statements are subject to risk and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward-looking statements.
Economic, competitive, governmental, technological, and other factors that may affect Abbott's operations are discussed in item 1A, Risk Factors, to our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended 31 December 2024. Abbott undertakes no obligation to release publicly any revisions to forward-looking statements as a result of subsequent events or developments, except as required by law. On today's conference call, as in the past, non-GAAP financial measures will be used to help investors understand Abbott's ongoing business performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled with the comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings news release and regulatory filings from today, which are available on our website at abbott.com.
Speaker #2: Economic competitive governmental technological and other factors that may affect ABBOTT's operations are discussed in item 1A, risk factors to our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2024.
Speaker #2: Abbott undertakes no obligation to release publicly any revisions to forward-looking statements as a result of subsequent events or developments, except as required by law.
Mike Comilla: Abbott undertakes no obligation to release publicly any revisions to forward-looking statements as a result of subsequent events or developments, except as required by law. On today's conference call, as in the past, non-GAAP financial measures will be used to help investors understand Abbott's ongoing business performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled with the comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings news release and regulatory filings from today, which are available on our website at abbott.com. Note that Abbott has not provided the related GAAP financial measures on a forward-looking basis for the non-GAAP financial measures for which it is providing guidance because the company is unable to predict with reasonable certainty and without unreasonable effort the timing and impact of certain items, which could significantly impact Abbott's results in accordance with GAAP.
Speaker #2: On today's conference call, as in the past, non-GAAP financial measures will be used to help investors understand ABBOTT's ongoing business performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled with the comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings news release and regulatory filings from today.
Speaker #2: Which are available on our website at abbott.com. Note that Abbott has not provided the related GAAP financial measures on a forward-looking basis for the non-GAAP financial measures for which it is providing guidance, because the company is unable to predict with reasonable certainty and without unreasonable effort the timing and impact of certain items.
Note that Abbott has not provided the related GAAP financial measures on a forward-looking basis for the non-GAAP financial measures for which it is providing guidance because the company is unable to predict with reasonable certainty and without unreasonable effort the timing and impact of certain items, which could significantly impact Abbott's results in accordance with GAAP.Unless otherwise noted, our commentary on sales growth refers to organic sales growth, which is defined in the press release issued earlier today. With that, I will now turn the call over to Robert.
Speaker #2: Which could significantly impact Abbott's results in accordance with GAAP. Unless otherwise noted, our commentary on sales growth refers to organic sales growth, which is defined in the press release issued earlier today.
Mike Comilla: Unless otherwise noted, our commentary on sales growth refers to organic sales growth, which is defined in the press release issued earlier today. With that, I will now turn the call over to Robert.
Speaker #2: With that, I will now turn the call over to Robert.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before discussing our fourth quarter results, I want to take a moment to reflect on 2025—a year that demonstrated Abbott's leadership and innovation, disciplined execution, and strategic actions taken to position the company for sustainable long-term growth.
Robert Ford: Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before discussing our Q4 results, I want to take a moment to reflect on 2025, a year that demonstrated Abbott's leadership in innovation, discipline execution, and strategic actions taken to position the company for sustainable long-term growth. Innovation continues to be the foundation of our success.
Robert Ford: Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before discussing our Q4 results, I want to take a moment to reflect on 2025, a year that demonstrated Abbott's leadership in innovation, discipline execution, and strategic actions taken to position the company for sustainable long-term growth. Innovation continues to be the foundation of our success.
Speaker #3: Innovation continues to be the foundation of our success. In 2025, we achieved several important milestones that strengthen our position for the future, including regulatory approvals for our Vault and TactiFlex Duo PFA products, a new indication for our Navitor Tavor Valve, CMS National Coverage for Triclip and Cardiomems, completing enrollment in our pivotal trial to bring a new LAA device to market, filing for FDA approval for our dual glucose-ketone sensor, initiating the pivotal trial of our coronary IVL device, starting the launch sequence in EPD to bring biosimilars to emerging markets, and recently starting the launch sequence in nutrition to bring new products to market that meet evolving consumer preferences.
Robert Ford: In 2025, we achieved several important milestones that strengthen our position for the future, including regulatory approvals for our Volt and TactiFlex Duo PFA products, a new indication for our Navitor TAVR valve CMS, national coverage for TriClip and CardioMEMS, completing enrollment in our pivotal trial to bring a new LAA device to market, filing for FDA approval for our dual glucose ketone sensor, initiating the pivotal trial of our coronary IVL device, starting the launch sequence in EPD to bring biosimilars to emerging markets, and recently starting the launch sequence in nutrition to bring new products to market that meet evolving consumer preferences. 2025 was also a year of discipline execution. We delivered top-tier margin expansion and achieved our original target of double-digit earnings growth in earnings per share despite the implementation of new tariffs and heightened market challenges in China.
In 2025, we achieved several important milestones that strengthen our position for the future, including regulatory approvals for our Volt and TactiFlex Duo PFA products, a new indication for our Navitor TAVR valve CMS, national coverage for TriClip and CardioMEMS, completing enrollment in our pivotal trial to bring a new LAA device to market, filing for FDA approval for our dual glucose ketone sensor, initiating the pivotal trial of our coronary IVL device, starting the launch sequence in EPD to bring biosimilars to emerging markets, and recently starting the launch sequence in nutrition to bring new products to market that meet evolving consumer preferences. 2025 was also a year of discipline execution. We delivered top-tier margin expansion and achieved our original target of double-digit earnings growth in earnings per share despite the implementation of new tariffs and heightened market challenges in China.
Speaker #3: 2025 was also a year of discipline execution. We delivered top-tier margin expansion, and achieved our original target of double-digit earnings growth in earnings per share despite the implementation of new tariffs and heightened market challenges in China.
Speaker #3: Finally, in 2025, we made important strategic moves to shape Abbott's future. Our announced acquisition of Exact Sciences will allow Abbott to enter and lead in the fast-growing cancer diagnostics market, and adds a new high-growth business with an attractive pipeline to the Abbott portfolio.
Robert Ford: Finally, in 2025, we made important strategic moves to shape Abbott's future. Our announced acquisition of Exact Sciences will allow Abbott to enter and lead in the fast-growing cancer diagnostics market and adds a new high-growth business with an attractive pipeline to the Abbott portfolio. We expect 2026 to be another year powered by innovation, operational excellence, and strategic execution. As we announced this morning, we forecast the midpoint of our 2026 organic sales growth range to be 7% and the midpoint of our adjusted earnings per share range to reflect 10% growth. I'll now summarize the Q4 results in more detail. I'll start with nutrition, where sales declined in the quarter. Abbott has been in the nutrition business for more than 60 years. With that history comes experience, not just in times of growth, but in times that require navigating challenges. As I mentioned last quarter, the U.S.
Finally, in 2025, we made important strategic moves to shape Abbott's future. Our announced acquisition of Exact Sciences will allow Abbott to enter and lead in the fast-growing cancer diagnostics market and adds a new high-growth business with an attractive pipeline to the Abbott portfolio. We expect 2026 to be another year powered by innovation, operational excellence, and strategic execution. As we announced this morning, we forecast the midpoint of our 2026 organic sales growth range to be 7% and the midpoint of our adjusted earnings per share range to reflect 10% growth. I'll now summarize the Q4 results in more detail. I'll start with nutrition, where sales declined in the quarter. Abbott has been in the nutrition business for more than 60 years. With that history comes experience, not just in times of growth, but in times that require navigating challenges. As I mentioned last quarter, the U.S.
Speaker #3: We expect 2026 to be another year powered by innovation, operational excellence, and strategic execution. And as we announced this morning, we forecast a midpoint of our 2026 organic sales growth range to be 7%, and the midpoint of our adjusted earnings per share range to reflect 10% growth.
Speaker #3: I'll now summarize the fourth quarter results in more detail. I'll start with Nutrition, where sales declined in the quarter. Abbott has been in the Nutrition business for more than 60 years, and with that history comes experience.
Speaker #3: Not just in times of growth, but in times that require navigating challenges. And as I mentioned last quarter, the US pediatric business is seeing an impact from market share loss partly due to loss of a large WIC contract last year.
Robert Ford: Pediatric business is seeing an impact from market share loss, partly due to the loss of a large WIC contract last year. But our results this quarter underscore a broader challenge, which is the need to reignite volume growth, a challenge many consumer goods businesses face today. Over the last several years, we've seen manufacturing costs and nutrition rise, in part due to a post-pandemic-driven surge in commodity costs that remains in our cost base today. We have increased prices to help mitigate the impact of higher manufacturing costs, but those price increases in the current economic environment have become a factor in constraining volume growth. Many consumer goods businesses are facing this dynamic. Higher manufacturing costs led to higher prices, which in turn are suppressing demand as consumers become increasingly more price-sensitive. The path is not sustainable long-term, so we began to make changes in the Q4.
Pediatric business is seeing an impact from market share loss, partly due to the loss of a large WIC contract last year. But our results this quarter underscore a broader challenge, which is the need to reignite volume growth, a challenge many consumer goods businesses face today. Over the last several years, we've seen manufacturing costs and nutrition rise, in part due to a post-pandemic-driven surge in commodity costs that remains in our cost base today. We have increased prices to help mitigate the impact of higher manufacturing costs, but those price increases in the current economic environment have become a factor in constraining volume growth. Many consumer goods businesses are facing this dynamic. Higher manufacturing costs led to higher prices, which in turn are suppressing demand as consumers become increasingly more price-sensitive. The path is not sustainable long-term, so we began to make changes in the Q4.
Speaker #3: But our results this quarter underscore a broader challenge. Which is the need to reignite volume growth, a challenge many consumer goods businesses face today.
Speaker #3: Over the last several years, we've seen manufacturing costs in nutrition rise, in part due to post-pandemic-driven surge in commodity costs. That remains in our cost base today.
Speaker #3: We have increased prices to help mitigate the impact of higher manufacturing costs, but those price increases in the current economic environment have become a factor in constraining volume growth.
Speaker #3: Many consumer goods businesses are facing this dynamic. Higher manufacturing costs led to higher prices, which, in turn, are suppressing demand as consumers become increasingly more price-sensitive.
Speaker #3: The path is not sustainable in the long term, so we began to make changes in the fourth quarter. Our goal is to transition our business back to one with a more balanced growth profile.
Robert Ford: Our goal is to transition our business back to one with a more balanced growth profile, with volume growth playing a greater role going forward. In the Q4, we began implementing price and promotion initiatives to help start the process of reigniting volume growth. To further drive volume growth, we are increasing our focus on innovation, which is an area that was deprioritized the last few years given the necessary heavy focus on production and supply chain management in this business. Following the launch of two new versions of Ensure late last year, we expect to launch at least eight new products over the course of the next 12 months. We expect performance in the nutrition to remain challenged in the first half of the year, with a return to growth in the second half.
Our goal is to transition our business back to one with a more balanced growth profile, with volume growth playing a greater role going forward. In the Q4, we began implementing price and promotion initiatives to help start the process of reigniting volume growth. To further drive volume growth, we are increasing our focus on innovation, which is an area that was deprioritized the last few years given the necessary heavy focus on production and supply chain management in this business. Following the launch of two new versions of Ensure late last year, we expect to launch at least eight new products over the course of the next 12 months. We expect performance in the nutrition to remain challenged in the first half of the year, with a return to growth in the second half.
Speaker #3: With volume growth playing a greater role going forward. In the fourth quarter, we began implementing price and promotion initiatives to help start the process of reigniting volume growth.
Speaker #3: To further drive volume growth, we are increasing our focus on innovation, which is an area that was deprioritized the last few years, given the necessary heavy focus on production and supply chain management in this business.
Speaker #3: Following the launch of two new versions of InsureLate last year, we expect to launch at least eight new products over the course of the next 12 months.
Speaker #3: We expect performance in the nutrition to remain challenged in the first half of the year with a return to growth in the second half.
Speaker #3: While this transition back to a more sustainable volume-driven business has consequences on our near-term results, these are the right steps to take to better position the business for long-term success.
Robert Ford: While this transition back to a more sustainable volume-driven business has consequences on our near-term results, these are the right steps to take to better position the business for long-term success. Moving to diagnostics, where sales declined 3.5% due to the anticipated year-over-year decline in COVID testing sales. Core Lab Diagnostics grew 3.5%, achieving a third consecutive quarter of accelerating growth and building steady momentum as we enter 2026. For the full year, excluding China, growth in Core Lab Diagnostics was 7%, reflecting durable demand in markets around the world. In point-of-care diagnostics, sales grew 7% in the quarter, driven by adoption of our high-sensitivity troponin test, which allows for earlier and more accurate detection of heart attack. Turning to EPD, where sales increased 7% in the quarter.
While this transition back to a more sustainable volume-driven business has consequences on our near-term results, these are the right steps to take to better position the business for long-term success. Moving to diagnostics, where sales declined 3.5% due to the anticipated year-over-year decline in COVID testing sales. Core Lab Diagnostics grew 3.5%, achieving a third consecutive quarter of accelerating growth and building steady momentum as we enter 2026. For the full year, excluding China, growth in Core Lab Diagnostics was 7%, reflecting durable demand in markets around the world. In point-of-care diagnostics, sales grew 7% in the quarter, driven by adoption of our high-sensitivity troponin test, which allows for earlier and more accurate detection of heart attack. Turning to EPD, where sales increased 7% in the quarter.
Speaker #3: Moving to diagnostics, where sales declined 3.5% due to the anticipated year-over-year decline in COVID testing sales. Core lab diagnostics grew 3.5%, achieving a third consecutive quarter of accelerating growth and building steady momentum as we enter 2026.
Speaker #3: For the full year, excluding China, growth in core lab diagnostics was 7%, reflecting durable demand in markets around the world. In point-of-care diagnostics, sales grew 7% in the quarter, driven by adoption of our high-sensitivity troponin test, which allows for earlier and more accurate detection of heart attack.
Speaker #3: Turning to EPD, where sales increased 7% in the quarter. Growth was well-balanced across the markets and therapeutic areas that we participate in, including double-digit growth in India, and several countries across Latin America and the Middle East.
Robert Ford: Growth was well-balanced across the markets and therapeutic areas that we participate in, including double-digit growth in India and several countries across Latin America and the Middle East. By focusing on high-demand therapies in faster-growing markets, EPD delivered its fifth consecutive year of sales growth exceeding 7%. I'll wrap up with medical devices, where sales grew 10.5%. In diabetes care, sales of continuous glucose monitors grew 12% in the Q4 and 17% for the year, with sales in 2025 exceeding $7.5 billion. This marks the third consecutive year that our CGM sales have grown by more than $1 billion. Our success in CGM continues to be driven by strong underlying market fundamentals, a leading position in cost and scale, and an unwavering commitment to market-leading innovation. These factors have led to a continued increase in adoption across all of the various user groups.
Growth was well-balanced across the markets and therapeutic areas that we participate in, including double-digit growth in India and several countries across Latin America and the Middle East. By focusing on high-demand therapies in faster-growing markets, EPD delivered its fifth consecutive year of sales growth exceeding 7%. I'll wrap up with medical devices, where sales grew 10.5%. In diabetes care, sales of continuous glucose monitors grew 12% in the Q4 and 17% for the year, with sales in 2025 exceeding $7.5 billion. This marks the third consecutive year that our CGM sales have grown by more than $1 billion. Our success in CGM continues to be driven by strong underlying market fundamentals, a leading position in cost and scale, and an unwavering commitment to market-leading innovation. These factors have led to a continued increase in adoption across all of the various user groups.
Speaker #3: By focusing on high-demand therapies and faster-growing markets, EPD delivered its fifth consecutive year of sales growth exceeding 7%. And I'll wrap up with Medical Devices.
Speaker #3: Where sales grew 10.5%. In diabetes care, sales of continuous glucose monitors grew 12% in the fourth quarter and 17% for the year, with sales in 2025 exceeding $7.5 billion.
Speaker #3: This marks the third consecutive year that our CGM sales have grown by more than a billion dollars. Our success in CGM continues to be driven by strong underlying market fundamentals, a leading position in cost and scale, and an unwavering commitment to market-leading innovation.
Speaker #3: These factors, have led to a continued increase in adoption across all of the various user groups. In electrophysiology, sales grew double digits in the US and internationally.
Robert Ford: In electrophysiology, sales grew double digits in the US and internationally. In December, we announced FDA approval of our Volt PFA catheter, which represents our first PFA product offering in the United States. Earlier this week, we announced that we obtained CE mark for our new TactiFlex Duo ablation catheter, which offers both RF and PFA energy to treat patients battling AFib. In structural heart, growth was driven by double-digit growth in Navitor, double-digit growth in TriClip, double-digit growth in MitraClip. In the coming weeks, we'll achieve an important milestone by completing enrollment in our catalyst trial. This trial is evaluating the performance of Amulet left atrial appendage device compared to oral anticoagulants in patients with AFib. This trial is designed to generate the evidence to demonstrate the clinical benefits of Amulet, which could lead to broader adoption and expansion of the addressable market.
In electrophysiology, sales grew double digits in the US and internationally. In December, we announced FDA approval of our Volt PFA catheter, which represents our first PFA product offering in the United States. Earlier this week, we announced that we obtained CE mark for our new TactiFlex Duo ablation catheter, which offers both RF and PFA energy to treat patients battling AFib. In structural heart, growth was driven by double-digit growth in Navitor, double-digit growth in TriClip, double-digit growth in MitraClip. In the coming weeks, we'll achieve an important milestone by completing enrollment in our catalyst trial. This trial is evaluating the performance of Amulet left atrial appendage device compared to oral anticoagulants in patients with AFib. This trial is designed to generate the evidence to demonstrate the clinical benefits of Amulet, which could lead to broader adoption and expansion of the addressable market.
Speaker #3: In December, we announced FDA approval of our Volt PFA catheter, which represents our first PFA product offering in the United States. And earlier this week, we announced that we obtained CE mark for our new TactiFlex Duo ablation catheter.
Speaker #3: Which offers both RF and PFA energy to treat patients battling AFib. In structural heart, growth was driven by double-digit growth in Navitor, double-digit growth in TriClip, double-digit growth in MitraClip.
Speaker #3: In the coming weeks, we'll achieve an important milestone by completing enrollment in our Catalyst trial. This trial is evaluating the performance of Amulet left atrial appendage device compared to oral anticoagulants in patients with AFib.
Speaker #3: This trial is designed to generate the evidence to demonstrate the clinical benefits of Amulet, which could lead to broader adoption and expansion of the addressable market.
Speaker #3: In heart failure, growth of 12% was driven by growth across our market-leading portfolio of ventricular assist devices, which offer treatment for chronic and temporary conditions, and growth in cardiomembs are implantable sensor used for the early detection of heart failure.
Robert Ford: In heart failure, growth of 12% was driven by growth across our market-leading portfolio of ventricular assist devices, which offer treatment for chronic and temporary conditions, and growth in CardioMEMS, our implantable sensor used for the early detection of heart failure. Our investment strategy in medical devices is based upon a true two-pronged approach. We invest to sustain strong performance in high-growth segments like diabetes, structural heart, electrophysiology, and heart failure, and we invest to increase the growth outlook in more foundational segments like rhythm management and vascular. While the investments in traditionally high-growth segments tend to get more attention, the investments we've made in our foundational businesses are generating very impressive returns. In rhythm management, growth of 12% was led by continued strong uptake of our leadless pacemaker Aveir. For the full year, growth of 10% in rhythm management represents the third consecutive year of significantly outperforming the market.
In heart failure, growth of 12% was driven by growth across our market-leading portfolio of ventricular assist devices, which offer treatment for chronic and temporary conditions, and growth in CardioMEMS, our implantable sensor used for the early detection of heart failure. Our investment strategy in medical devices is based upon a true two-pronged approach. We invest to sustain strong performance in high-growth segments like diabetes, structural heart, electrophysiology, and heart failure, and we invest to increase the growth outlook in more foundational segments like rhythm management and vascular. While the investments in traditionally high-growth segments tend to get more attention, the investments we've made in our foundational businesses are generating very impressive returns. In rhythm management, growth of 12% was led by continued strong uptake of our leadless pacemaker Aveir. For the full year, growth of 10% in rhythm management represents the third consecutive year of significantly outperforming the market.
Speaker #3: Our investment strategy in medical devices is based upon a two-pronged approach. We invest to sustain strong performance in high-growth segments like diabetes, structural heart, electrophysiology, and heart failure.
Speaker #3: And we invest to increase the growth outlook in more foundational segments like rhythm management and vascular. While the investments in traditionally high-growth segments tend to get more attention, the investments we've made in our foundational businesses are generating very impressive returns.
Speaker #3: In rhythm management, growth of 12% was led by continued strong uptake of our leadless pacemaker of air. For the full year, growth of 10% in rhythm management represents the third consecutive year of significantly outperforming the market.
Speaker #3: With the investments we're making in conduction system pacing and other novel technologies, we see the $10 billion rhythm management market as a great opportunity to capture market share and drive sustainable growth for years to come.
Robert Ford: With Aveir, and the investments we're making in conduction system pacing and other novel technologies, we see the $10 billion rhythm management market as a great opportunity to capture market share and drive sustainable growth for years to come. In vascular, growth of 6.5% was led by double-digit growth in vessel closure products and growth from an Esprit or below-the-knee resorbable stent. For the full year, vascular sales grew 5%, making this the second consecutive year vascular has delivered mid-single-digit growth. With the expected approval of our coronary IVL device next year, we expect growth in vascular to follow a similar pattern of acceleration that we've seen in rhythm management. And lastly, a neuromodulation growth of 5.5% was led by strong international growth in Eterna rechargeable spinal cord stimulation device. So in summary, despite facing some challenges in 2025, we achieved our original target of double-digit earnings per share growth.
With Aveir, and the investments we're making in conduction system pacing and other novel technologies, we see the $10 billion rhythm management market as a great opportunity to capture market share and drive sustainable growth for years to come. In vascular, growth of 6.5% was led by double-digit growth in vessel closure products and growth from an Esprit or below-the-knee resorbable stent. For the full year, vascular sales grew 5%, making this the second consecutive year vascular has delivered mid-single-digit growth. With the expected approval of our coronary IVL device next year, we expect growth in vascular to follow a similar pattern of acceleration that we've seen in rhythm management. And lastly, a neuromodulation growth of 5.5% was led by strong international growth in Eterna rechargeable spinal cord stimulation device. So in summary, despite facing some challenges in 2025, we achieved our original target of double-digit earnings per share growth.
Speaker #3: In Vascular, growth of 6.5% was led by double-digit growth in vessel closure products and growth from a Spree below-the-knee resorbable stent. For the full year, Vascular sales grew 5%, making this the second consecutive year Vascular has delivered mid-single-digit growth.
Speaker #3: With the expected approval of our coronary IVL device next year, we expect growth in Vascular to follow a similar pattern of acceleration that we've seen in Rhythm Management.
Speaker #3: And lastly, in neuromodulation, growth of 5.5% was led by strong international growth and we turn our rechargeable spinal cord stimulation device. So in summary, despite facing some challenges in 2025, we achieved our original target of double-digit earnings per share growth, our new product pipeline continues to be highly productive, and combined with the strategic steps we took to shape the company for the future, we're well-positioned for accelerating growth in 2026.
Robert Ford: Our new product pipeline continues to be highly productive, and combined with the strategic steps we took to shape the company for the future, we're well-positioned for accelerating growth in 2026. I'll turn over the call to Phil. Thanks, Robert. As Mike mentioned earlier, please note that all references to sales growth rates, unless otherwise noted, are on an organic basis. Turning to our Q4 results, sales increased 3.8% when excluding COVID testing sales. Adjusted earnings per share of $1.50 reflects growth of 12% compared to the prior year. Foreign exchange had a favorable year-over-year impact of 1.4% on Q4 sales, which was in line with our expectations at the time of our earnings call in October. Regarding other aspects of the P&L, the adjusted gross margin profile was 57.1% of sales, which, despite the impact of tariffs, increased 20 basis points compared to the prior year.
Our new product pipeline continues to be highly productive, and combined with the strategic steps we took to shape the company for the future, we're well-positioned for accelerating growth in 2026. I'll turn over the call to Phil.
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Speaker #3: Phil. Thanks,
Philip Boudreau: Thanks, Robert. As Mike mentioned earlier, please note that all references to sales growth rates, unless otherwise noted, are on an organic basis. Turning to our Q4 results, sales increased 3.8% when excluding COVID testing sales. Adjusted earnings per share of $1.50 reflects growth of 12% compared to the prior year. Foreign exchange had a favorable year-over-year impact of 1.4% on Q4 sales, which was in line with our expectations at the time of our earnings call in October. Regarding other aspects of the P&L, the adjusted gross margin profile was 57.1% of sales, which, despite the impact of tariffs, increased 20 basis points compared to the prior year.
Speaker #2: Robert: As Mike mentioned earlier, please note that all references to sales growth rates, unless otherwise noted, are on an organic basis. Turning to our fourth quarter results, sales increased 3.8% when excluding COVID testing sales.
Speaker #2: Adjusted earnings per share of $1.50 reflects growth of 12% compared to the prior year. Foreign exchange had a favorable year-over-year impact of 1.4% on fourth quarter sales, which was in line with our expectations at the time of our earnings call in October.
Speaker #2: Regarding other aspects of the P&L, the adjusted gross margin profile was 57.1% of sales, which despite the impact of tariffs increased 20 basis points compared to the prior year.
Speaker #2: Adjusted R&D was 6.2% of sales and adjusted SG&A was 25.1% of sales. Adjusted operating margin was 25.8% of sales, which reflects an increase of 150 basis points compared to the prior year.
Robert Ford: Adjusted R&D was 6.2% of sales, and adjusted SG&A was 25.1% of sales. Adjusted operating margin was 25.8% of sales, which reflects an increase of 150 basis points compared to the prior year. Turning to our outlook for 2026, today we issued guidance for full-year adjusted earnings per share of $5.55 to $5.80, which reflects 10% growth at the midpoint of the range and contemplates an adjusted earnings per share forecast of $1.12 to $1.18 for the first quarter. For the year, we forecast organic sales growth to be in the range of 6.5% to 7.5%. Based on current rates, we expect exchange to have a favorable impact of around 1% on full-year recorded sales, which includes an expected favorable impact around 3% on Q1 recorded sales. We forecast our adjusted tax rate to be in the range of 15% to 16%.
Adjusted R&D was 6.2% of sales, and adjusted SG&A was 25.1% of sales. Adjusted operating margin was 25.8% of sales, which reflects an increase of 150 basis points compared to the prior year. Turning to our outlook for 2026, today we issued guidance for full-year adjusted earnings per share of $5.55 to $5.80, which reflects 10% growth at the midpoint of the range and contemplates an adjusted earnings per share forecast of $1.12 to $1.18 for the first quarter. For the year, we forecast organic sales growth to be in the range of 6.5% to 7.5%. Based on current rates, we expect exchange to have a favorable impact of around 1% on full-year recorded sales, which includes an expected favorable impact around 3% on Q1 recorded sales. We forecast our adjusted tax rate to be in the range of 15% to 16%.
Speaker #2: Turning to our outlook for 2026, today we issued guidance for full-year adjusted earnings per share of $5.55 to $5.80, which reflects 10% growth at the midpoint of the range and contemplates an adjusted earnings per share forecast of $1.12 to $1.18 for the first quarter.
Speaker #2: For the year, we forecast organic sales growth to be in the range of 6.5% to 7.5%. Based on current rates, we expect exchange to have a favorable impact of around 1% on full-year reported sales.
Speaker #2: Which includes an expected favorable impact around 3% on first quarter reported sales. And we forecast our adjusted tax rate to be in the range of 15 to 16%.
Speaker #2: With that, we'll now open the call for questions.
Robert Ford: With that, we'll now open the call for questions.
With that, we'll now open the call for questions.
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Speaker #3: Your line is
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Speaker #4: morning. Thanks for taking the question. So Robert, on the last call, you seemed comfortable with consensus revenue growth, but you're guiding a little bit lower today.
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So, Robert, on the last call, you seemed comfortable with consensus revenue growth, but you're guiding a little bit lower today. I assume that's related to nutrition. Can you talk about what's changed since the last call and how you're thinking about the year playing out from a cadence standpoint? I assume you would expect growth to accelerate through the year, given your comments on nutrition and some of the launches. I'll leave it at that. Thanks for taking the question.
Larry Biegelsen: Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So, Robert, on the last call, you seemed comfortable with consensus revenue growth, but you're guiding a little bit lower today. I assume that's related to nutrition. Can you talk about what's changed since the last call and how you're thinking about the year playing out from a cadence standpoint? I assume you would expect growth to accelerate through the year, given your comments on nutrition and some of the launches. I'll leave it at that. Thanks for taking the question.
Speaker #4: I assume that's related to nutrition. Can you talk about what's changed since the last call and how you're thinking about the year playing out from a cadence standpoint?
Speaker #4: I assume you would expect growth to accelerate through the year, given your comments on nutrition and some of the launches. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker #4: Thanks for taking the question.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Larry. I think, if I remember, you're the one who asked that question back in October. And when I answered that question, I think consensus was 7.5% top line.
Robert Ford: Thanks, Larry. I think if I remember, you're the one who asked that question back in October. When I answered that question, I think consensus was 7.5% top line. EPS was 10%. Today, we guided the midpoint at 7% on top line, 10% on the bottom. So midpoint here is 0.5% lower than what was consensus. But other than that, nothing's really changed. The EPS is in line with consensus, expecting healthy margin expansions. I'm sure we're going to talk a lot about the pipeline, which is either on target or ahead of schedule in certain products. Balance sheet's in great shape. Feel good about us closing Exact. So the 0.5-point change on the top line, as you pointed out, is really the change in the near-term outlook, I'd say, of our nutrition business.
Robert Ford: Thanks, Larry. I think if I remember, you're the one who asked that question back in October. When I answered that question, I think consensus was 7.5% top line. EPS was 10%. Today, we guided the midpoint at 7% on top line, 10% on the bottom. So midpoint here is 0.5% lower than what was consensus. But other than that, nothing's really changed. The EPS is in line with consensus, expecting healthy margin expansions. I'm sure we're going to talk a lot about the pipeline, which is either on target or ahead of schedule in certain products. Balance sheet's in great shape. Feel good about us closing Exact. So the 0.5-point change on the top line, as you pointed out, is really the change in the near-term outlook, I'd say, of our nutrition business.
Speaker #2: EPS was 10%. So today, we guided the midpoint at 7% on the top line, 10% on the bottom. So the midpoint here is half a percent lower than what was consensus.
Speaker #2: But other than that, nothing's really changed. The EPS is in line with consensus. Expecting healthy margin expansions. I'm sure we're going to talk a lot about the pipeline, which is either on target or ahead of schedule in certain products. Balance sheet's in great shape.
Speaker #2: Feel good about us closing exact. So the half point change on the top line is, as you pointed out, is really the change in the near-term outlook that I'd say of our nutrition business.
Speaker #2: You saw in our quarter and our Q4, we had a negative quarter. And as I said in my comments, there's a component of this business.
Robert Ford: You saw in our quarter, in our Q4, we had a negative quarter. As I said in my comments, there's a component of this business. It's a healthcare-driven product portfolio, but there's a component of it, a dynamic of it, that is very much aligned with consumer packaged goods. I'd say the challenges that CPG businesses have been facing are pretty well-known. Following pandemic, pretty significant surge in costs between 2022 and 2024. To offset that, I think we all went ahead and tried to mitigate it with price increases. That obviously drove top line, but more importantly, I would say, improved or didn't allow the economics and the profitability of the businesses to deteriorate. If you look at our profitability in that business, 2024, 2025, where it was back in 2022, it had that impact.
You saw in our quarter, in our Q4, we had a negative quarter. As I said in my comments, there's a component of this business. It's a healthcare-driven product portfolio, but there's a component of it, a dynamic of it, that is very much aligned with consumer packaged goods. I'd say the challenges that CPG businesses have been facing are pretty well-known. Following pandemic, pretty significant surge in costs between 2022 and 2024. To offset that, I think we all went ahead and tried to mitigate it with price increases. That obviously drove top line, but more importantly, I would say, improved or didn't allow the economics and the profitability of the businesses to deteriorate. If you look at our profitability in that business, 2024, 2025, where it was back in 2022, it had that impact.
Speaker #2: It's a healthcare-driven product portfolio, but there's a component of it—a dynamic of it—that is very much aligned with consumer packaged goods. And I'd say the challenge is that CPG businesses have been facing is pretty well-known following the pandemic.
Speaker #2: Pretty significant surge in costs between 2022 and 2024 to offset that. I think we all went ahead and tried to mitigate it with price increases.
Speaker #2: That obviously drove top line, but more importantly, I would say it improved, or at least didn't allow, the economics and the profitability of the businesses to deteriorate.
Speaker #2: If you look at our profitability in that business—2024, 2025, where it was back in 2022—it had that impact. But the higher prices, though, have resulted now in what I see as kind of suppressing demand and lowering the volume growth.
Robert Ford: But the higher prices, though, have resulted now in what I see as kind of suppressing demand and lowering the volume growth. And the pressure on the volume growth accelerated, I'd say, as we moved throughout Q4 and consumers became increasingly more price-sensitive. So as I said in my comment, it's not a sustainable path. You'll get down into this spiral if you keep increasing prices. You'll keep on driving volume down. So we could have - we could have gone a couple more quarters, maybe nine more months doing this, but it would not be sustainable. And at some point, something fundamentally has to change here. And I just felt that the longer we took to make this change, the more painful it would be.
But the higher prices, though, have resulted now in what I see as kind of suppressing demand and lowering the volume growth. And the pressure on the volume growth accelerated, I'd say, as we moved throughout Q4 and consumers became increasingly more price-sensitive. So as I said in my comment, it's not a sustainable path. You'll get down into this spiral if you keep increasing prices. You'll keep on driving volume down. So we could have - we could have gone a couple more quarters, maybe nine more months doing this, but it would not be sustainable. And at some point, something fundamentally has to change here. And I just felt that the longer we took to make this change, the more painful it would be.
Speaker #2: And the pressure on the volume growth accelerated, I'd say, as we move throughout Q4 and consumers became increasingly more price sensitive. So as I said in my comment, it's not a sustainable path.
Speaker #2: You'll get down into this spiral if you keep increasing prices. You'll keep on driving volume down. So we could have listen, I could have gone a couple more quarters, maybe nine, nine more months doing this, but it would not be sustainable.
Speaker #2: And at some point, something fundamentally has to change here. And I just felt that the longer we took to make this change, the more painful it would be.
Speaker #2: If I look at the strength of the portfolio, right now, and the growth, all the growth prospects we have, the ability to add a whole new growth vertical, I just thought that the timing was right to do this and do this as quickly as possible to get through it.
Robert Ford: If I look at the strength of the portfolio right now and all the growth prospects we have, the ability to add a whole new growth vertical, I just thought that the timing was right to do this and do this as quickly as possible to get through it. So we began implementing price promotion initiatives that are going to help invigorate growth. I think early signs right now, Larry, are encouraging. Obviously, we're going to have to keep monitoring that. And then we're also launching a lot of new products to be able to kind of support that volume growth. We haven't had to reallocate R&D resources to be able to do that. This is a business that operates around 2.2% of R&D, so we just reallocated within that budget to focus on new product development.
If I look at the strength of the portfolio right now and all the growth prospects we have, the ability to add a whole new growth vertical, I just thought that the timing was right to do this and do this as quickly as possible to get through it. So we began implementing price promotion initiatives that are going to help invigorate growth. I think early signs right now, Larry, are encouraging. Obviously, we're going to have to keep monitoring that. And then we're also launching a lot of new products to be able to kind of support that volume growth. We haven't had to reallocate R&D resources to be able to do that. This is a business that operates around 2.2% of R&D, so we just reallocated within that budget to focus on new product development.
Speaker #2: So we began implementing price promotion initiatives that are going to help invigorate I think early signs right now, Larry, are encouraging. Obviously, we're going to have to keep monitoring that.
Speaker #2: And then we're also launching a lot of new products to be able to kind of support that volume growth. We haven't had the reallocate R&D resources to be able to do that.
Speaker #2: This is a business that operates around 2.2% of R&D. So we just reallocated within that budget to focus on new product development. So we'll have a couple quarters here where growth and nutrition is going to be challenged.
Robert Ford: So we'll have a couple of quarters here where growth in nutrition is going to be challenged. Then in the second half, we'll return to positive growth. And I got confidence in the team that's in place today that we can execute this transition back to more of a volume-based, more of a volume-driven growth business. If you look at what we did back in 2022 when we had supply disruption, it took us about nine to 12 months to get our share back. I don't think it's going to take that long, so I think it's about a six-month process here of reshifting that. And that's really what's creating, I would say, well, part of it, what's creating a little bit of this first-half, second-half dynamic in our growth forecast. But outside of that, Larry, versus where we were in October, nothing has really changed.
So we'll have a couple of quarters here where growth in nutrition is going to be challenged. Then in the second half, we'll return to positive growth. And I got confidence in the team that's in place today that we can execute this transition back to more of a volume-based, more of a volume-driven growth business. If you look at what we did back in 2022 when we had supply disruption, it took us about nine to 12 months to get our share back. I don't think it's going to take that long, so I think it's about a six-month process here of reshifting that. And that's really what's creating, I would say, well, part of it, what's creating a little bit of this first-half, second-half dynamic in our growth forecast. But outside of that, Larry, versus where we were in October, nothing has really changed.
Speaker #2: And then in the second half, we'll return to positive growth. And I got confidence in the team that's in place today that we can execute this transition back to more of a volume-based more of a volume-driven growth business.
Speaker #2: If you look at what we did back in 2022, when we had the supply disruption, it took us about 9 to 12 months to get our share back.
Speaker #2: I don't think it's going to take that long. So I think it's about a six-month process here of reshifting that. And that's really what's creating I would say well, part of it what's creating a little bit of this first half, second half dynamic in our growth forecast.
Speaker #2: But outside of that, Larry, versus where we were in October, nothing has really changed. In fact, I’d say a significant majority of the company here is either maintaining high single-digit top-line growth or low-teens growth, or they’re accelerating their growth versus 2025, whether it’s our cardiovascular franchise, our diabetes products, EPD, or our pharma business.
Robert Ford: In fact, I'd say a significant majority of the company here is either maintaining high single-digit top-line growth or low teens growth, or they're accelerating their growth versus 2025, whether it's our cardiovascular franchise, our diabetes products, EPD, and our pharma business. We're going to be lapping the core diagnostic headwinds that we faced last year. If you remember, we had about $1 billion of headwind that we faced last year in our diagnostic business, whether it was COVID and the China challenges. That's mostly going to be behind us. We're going to be adding another high-growth vertical with Exact Sciences. So I think there's a lot to like here. I think there's a lot of growth here. And while we know we've got some work to do in nutrition, I can guarantee you that we're not distracted by that from all the great opportunities that we have here.
In fact, I'd say a significant majority of the company here is either maintaining high single-digit top-line growth or low teens growth, or they're accelerating their growth versus 2025, whether it's our cardiovascular franchise, our diabetes products, EPD, and our pharma business. We're going to be lapping the core diagnostic headwinds that we faced last year. If you remember, we had about $1 billion of headwind that we faced last year in our diagnostic business, whether it was COVID and the China challenges. That's mostly going to be behind us. We're going to be adding another high-growth vertical with Exact Sciences. So I think there's a lot to like here. I think there's a lot of growth here. And while we know we've got some work to do in nutrition, I can guarantee you that we're not distracted by that from all the great opportunities that we have here.
Speaker #2: We're going to be lapping the core diagnostic headwinds that we faced last year. If you remember, we had about a billion dollars of headwind that we faced last year in our diagnostic business, whether it was COVID and the China challenges that's mostly going to be behind us.
Speaker #2: We're going to be adding another high growth vertical with the Exact Sciences. So I think there's a lot to like here. I think there's a lot of growth here.
Speaker #2: And while we know we've got some work to do in Nutrition, I can guarantee you that we're not distracted by that from all the great opportunities that we have here.
Speaker #2: So, like I said, I think we've got a good setup for 2026—a lot of accelerating growth as we progress through the year.
Robert Ford: So like I said, I think we've got a good setup for 2026, a lot of accelerating growth as we progress through the year.
So like I said, I think we've got a good setup for 2026, a lot of accelerating growth as we progress through the year.
Speaker #2: year. All right.
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: All right. Thank you very much.
Larry Biegelsen: All right. Thank you very much.
Speaker #1: Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question will come from David Roman from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from David Roman from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from David Roman from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: open. Thank you.
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I did want to start, Robert, on the pipeline and then maybe just ask a follow-up question if we have time on the guidance and the outlook. You did talk about some of the approvals in the EP business. Most specifically, can you help us sort of frame the Abbott portfolio in EP, maybe looking back six months, where we are today, where you are then six to 12 months from now, and contextualize kind of the portfolio relative to competition and where you see the biggest opportunities to accelerate growth there with Vault, TactiFlex Duo, TactiFlex VT, I think even NextGen, Agilis, EnSite X, etc.
David Roman: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I did want to start, Robert, on the pipeline and then maybe just ask a follow-up question if we have time on the guidance and the outlook. You did talk about some of the approvals in the EP business. Most specifically, can you help us sort of frame the Abbott portfolio in EP, maybe looking back six months, where we are today, where you are then six to 12 months from now, and contextualize kind of the portfolio relative to competition and where you see the biggest opportunities to accelerate growth there with Vault, TactiFlex Duo, TactiFlex VT, I think even NextGen, Agilis, EnSite X, etc.
Speaker #3: Good morning, everyone. I did want to start, Robert, on the pipeline, and then maybe just ask a follow-up question if we have time on the guidance and the outlook.
Speaker #3: You did talk about some of the approvals in the EP business. And most specifically, can you help us sort of frame the ABBOT portfolio in EP?
Speaker #3: Maybe looking back six months, where we are today, where you are then 6 to 12 months from now, and contextualize kind of the portfolio relative to competition and where you see the biggest opportunities to accelerate growth there with full tactical ex duo, tactical ex VT, I think even next gen agilus, inside X, etc.
Speaker #4: Sure. I mean, I think that I do have to put that into context, though. I mean, if you go back three years, David, there was a lot of concern about our franchise that was growing double digits.
Robert Ford: Sure. I mean, I think that I do have to put that into context, though. I mean, if you go back three years, David, there was a lot of concern about our franchise that was growing double-digit, that was going to be flat or even negative because we didn't have a PFA catheter. We developed a strategy. The team put together a strategy. We presented to our board three years ago in terms of what we were going to do. And over the last couple of years, even without PFA products, we've been able to actually sustain our double-digit growth rates, 2024 and 2025, without a PFA catheter. So the strategy that you're now referencing about our PFA products, that's just part of our strategy that we presented three years ago and laid out here.
Robert Ford: Sure. I mean, I think that I do have to put that into context, though. I mean, if you go back three years, David, there was a lot of concern about our franchise that was growing double-digit, that was going to be flat or even negative because we didn't have a PFA catheter. We developed a strategy. The team put together a strategy. We presented to our board three years ago in terms of what we were going to do. And over the last couple of years, even without PFA products, we've been able to actually sustain our double-digit growth rates, 2024 and 2025, without a PFA catheter. So the strategy that you're now referencing about our PFA products, that's just part of our strategy that we presented three years ago and laid out here.
Speaker #4: That was going to be flagged or even negative because we didn't have a PFA catheter. We developed a strategy. The team put together a strategy.
Speaker #4: We presented to our board three years ago in terms of what we were going to do. And over the last couple of years, even without PFA products, we've been able to actually sustain our double-digit growth rate 24 and 2025 without a PFA catheter.
Speaker #4: So, the strategy that you're now referencing about our PFA products— that's just part of our strategy that we presented three years ago and laid out here.
Speaker #4: So we began launching the PFA product line in a much larger installed base of capital and mapping systems. The launch of Volt in Europe has gone very well.
Robert Ford: So we began launching the PFA product line in a much larger installed base of capital and mapping systems. The launch of Vault in Europe has gone very well. I'd say when we talked about developing Vault, we said, "Let's look at where some of the shortcomings of our first-generation products are, and can we build those into Vault?" The feedback that I continue to see from the European market, and quite frankly, through the last couple of weeks as we began our limited market release here in the US, is two things keep jumping out pretty continuously. One, the elegance, the ease, and the smoothness, and the predictability of the mapping integrated with the catheter, the visualization, all of that that we spent a lot of time putting together. I continue to hear very positive feedback on that.
So we began launching the PFA product line in a much larger installed base of capital and mapping systems. The launch of Vault in Europe has gone very well. I'd say when we talked about developing Vault, we said, "Let's look at where some of the shortcomings of our first-generation products are, and can we build those into Vault?" The feedback that I continue to see from the European market, and quite frankly, through the last couple of weeks as we began our limited market release here in the US, is two things keep jumping out pretty continuously. One, the elegance, the ease, and the smoothness, and the predictability of the mapping integrated with the catheter, the visualization, all of that that we spent a lot of time putting together. I continue to hear very positive feedback on that.
Speaker #4: I'd say when we talked about developing Volt, we said, "Let's look at where some of the shortcomings of a first-generation product are, and can we build those into Volt?" And the feedback that I continue to see from the European market and quite frankly, through the last couple of weeks, as we've begun our limited market release here in the US, is two things keep jumping out.
Speaker #4: Pretty continuously is one, the elegance, the ease, and the smoothness and the predictability of the mapping integrated with the catheter, the visualization—all of that that we spent a lot of time putting together—I continue to hear very positive feedback on that.
Speaker #4: And then the ability to potentially do these procedures with sedation versus general anesthesia, that is a recurring theme that I keep on hearing here.
Robert Ford: And then the ability to potentially do these procedures with sedation versus general anesthesia, that is a recurring theme that I keep on hearing here. So I'd say the Vault launch has gone very much aligned to what we expected as we were putting the program together. This year, we'll have the launch of Vault here in the US and TactiFlex Duo internationally. I think it comes down to we always wanted to make sure that we had a toolbox approach here for the physicians so they can have choice and they can have greater flexibility about how they use these products. I'm sure that there will be cases and types of patients and patient profiles that will lend itself more to a balloon and basket Vault-type design. And there are going to be types of patients and situations where TactiFlex Duo, with its dual energy source, will be preferred.
And then the ability to potentially do these procedures with sedation versus general anesthesia, that is a recurring theme that I keep on hearing here. So I'd say the Vault launch has gone very much aligned to what we expected as we were putting the program together. This year, we'll have the launch of Vault here in the US and TactiFlex Duo internationally. I think it comes down to we always wanted to make sure that we had a toolbox approach here for the physicians so they can have choice and they can have greater flexibility about how they use these products. I'm sure that there will be cases and types of patients and patient profiles that will lend itself more to a balloon and basket Vault-type design. And there are going to be types of patients and situations where TactiFlex Duo, with its dual energy source, will be preferred.
Speaker #4: So, I’d say the Volt launch has gone very much aligned to what we expected as we were putting the program together. This year, we’ll have the launch of Volt here in the U.S.
Speaker #4: And TactiCath™ Extral™ Duo internationally. I think it comes down to, we always wanted to make sure that we had a toolbox approach here for the physicians, so they can have choice and they can have greater flexibility about how they use this product.
Speaker #4: I'm sure that there will be cases, and types of patients and patient profiles, that will lend themselves more to a balloon-and-basket Volt-type design.
Speaker #4: And there are going to be types of patients and situations where TactiFlex or Duo, whether it's dual energy source, will be preferred. And ultimately, it's going to be up to the physician to make those decisions.
Robert Ford: Ultimately, it's going to be up to the physician to make those decisions. But I like the fact that the team, as they put the strategy together, that we would have both these products. I think you raised this point very well, which is I don't think that there is a company right now that's better positioned in terms of the completeness of the portfolio than what we have, whether it's technology or the scale and the infrastructure, starting with the capital placements that we've got, the incredibly competent clinical specialists that we have out in the field that have shown their value to our customers right now. We've got both RF and PFA products. We've got all the diagnostic elements, whether it's catheters, patches, etc., introducers, sheaths, all of that that you referenced.
Ultimately, it's going to be up to the physician to make those decisions. But I like the fact that the team, as they put the strategy together, that we would have both these products. I think you raised this point very well, which is I don't think that there is a company right now that's better positioned in terms of the completeness of the portfolio than what we have, whether it's technology or the scale and the infrastructure, starting with the capital placements that we've got, the incredibly competent clinical specialists that we have out in the field that have shown their value to our customers right now. We've got both RF and PFA products. We've got all the diagnostic elements, whether it's catheters, patches, etc., introducers, sheaths, all of that that you referenced.
Speaker #4: But I like the fact that the team, as they put the strategy together, that we would have both these products. I think you raised this point very well, which is I don't think that there is a company right now that's better positioned in terms of completeness of the portfolio than what we have.
Speaker #4: Whether it's technology or the scale and the infrastructure—starting with the capital placements that we've got—the incredibly competent clinical specialists that we have out in the field have shown their value to our customers right now.
Speaker #4: We've got both RF and PFA products. We've got all the diagnostic elements whether it's catheters, patches, etc. introducers, sheaths, all of that that you reference.
Speaker #4: And on top of that, we've got an LEA device which is, I would say, is becoming pretty clear that if you want to be a leader in this space, you can't just look at having a PFA catheter.
Robert Ford: And on top of that, we've got an LAA device, which I would say is becoming pretty clear that if you want to be a leader in this space, you can't just look at having a PFA catheter. You got to have the full portfolio, including this device. Right now, it seems like 25% of LAA procedures are done concomitantly. So I think if you put all of that together, the portfolio that we've assembled, combined with the resilience of what this team has done and how they've executed, I've got high expectations for this business this year. The team knows that. I expect that we should grow at least in line with the market, David, which I expect. I think it seems like the forecast here is mid to high teens. So I think we're in a really good position.
And on top of that, we've got an LAA device, which I would say is becoming pretty clear that if you want to be a leader in this space, you can't just look at having a PFA catheter. You got to have the full portfolio, including this device. Right now, it seems like 25% of LAA procedures are done concomitantly. So I think if you put all of that together, the portfolio that we've assembled, combined with the resilience of what this team has done and how they've executed, I've got high expectations for this business this year. The team knows that. I expect that we should grow at least in line with the market, David, which I expect. I think it seems like the forecast here is mid to high teens. So I think we're in a really good position.
Speaker #4: You've got to have the full portfolio, including this device. Right now, it seems like 25% of LEA procedures are done concomitantly. So I think if you put all of that together, the portfolio that we've assembled combined with the resilience of what this team has done and how they've executed, I've got high expectations for this business this year.
Speaker #4: The team knows that. I expect that we should grow at least in line with the market, David, which I think—the forecast here—it seems like the forecast is mid to high teens.
Speaker #4: So, I think we're in a really good position, and I'm excited to see this second part of this strategy that we put together three years ago. We're really excited to kind of put that second part of that phase into action now.
Robert Ford: I'm excited to see the second part of the strategy that we put together three years ago. We're really excited to kind of put that second part of that phase into action now.
I'm excited to see the second part of the strategy that we put together three years ago. We're really excited to kind of put that second part of that phase into action now.
Speaker #3: Very helpful. Maybe just a follow-up on the guidance. Look, I think we all know that you don't set your guidance to meet short-term consensus.
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: Very helpful. Maybe just a follow-up on the guidance. Look, I think we all know that you don't set your guidance to meet short-term consensus, and you are committed to achieving your commitments. But as you thought about putting together the outlook for 2026, considering some of the different variables that you faced over the past couple of quarters, how did you think about risk-adjusting the outlook? And maybe just help us think about the considerations in the guidance, and maybe just your philosophy as you kind of put the outlook together here.
David Roman: Very helpful. Maybe just a follow-up on the guidance. Look, I think we all know that you don't set your guidance to meet short-term consensus, and you are committed to achieving your commitments. But as you thought about putting together the outlook for 2026, considering some of the different variables that you faced over the past couple of quarters, how did you think about risk-adjusting the outlook? And maybe just help us think about the considerations in the guidance, and maybe just your philosophy as you kind of put the outlook together here.
Speaker #3: And you are committed to achieving your commitments. But as you thought about putting together the outlook for 2026, considering some of the different variables that you faced over the past couple of quarters, how did you think about risk-adjusting the outlook? And maybe just help us think about the considerations in the guidance, and maybe just your philosophy as you kind of put the outlook together here?
Speaker #4: Well, I mean, listen, I think if you look at our growth for 2026, I mean, we've always targeted high single digits and double digit high single digit top line, double digit bottom line.
Robert Ford: Well, I mean, listen, I think if you look at our growth for 2026, I mean, we've always targeted high single digits and double digit, high single digit top line, double digit bottom line. That's our investment identity, and we've kind of followed through with that. If you look at our 2026, I think the way you need to kind of look at it is you've got a very big portion of the company that is going to that we're sustaining that growth. In some cases, it'll be accelerating, but a large portion of the company is sustaining this high single digit growth, whether it's in cardiovascular, whether it's in diabetes. We've got a bunch of new products launching to be able to support those kind of growth profiles in the business. EPD supporting with the biosimilar launch, that high single digit kind of growth rate.
Well, I mean, listen, I think if you look at our growth for 2026, I mean, we've always targeted high single digits and double digit, high single digit top line, double digit bottom line. That's our investment identity, and we've kind of followed through with that. If you look at our 2026, I think the way you need to kind of look at it is you've got a very big portion of the company that is going to that we're sustaining that growth. In some cases, it'll be accelerating, but a large portion of the company is sustaining this high single digit growth, whether it's in cardiovascular, whether it's in diabetes. We've got a bunch of new products launching to be able to support those kind of growth profiles in the business. EPD supporting with the biosimilar launch, that high single digit kind of growth rate.
Speaker #4: That's our investment identity, and we've kind of followed through with that. If you look at our 2026, I think the way you need to kind of look at it is you've got a very big portion of the company that is going to—that we're sustaining that growth.
Speaker #4: In some cases, it'll be accelerating. But a large portion of the company is sustaining this high single-digit growth, whether it's in cardiovascular, whether it's in diabetes. We've got a bunch of new products launching to be able to support those kinds of growth profiles in the business.
Speaker #4: EPD supporting with the biosimilar launch, that high single digit kind of growth rate. So you've got a large portion and even some geographies that we can sustain that growth and we feel that we're supporting it with product launches and investment to sustain what I consider pretty differentiated growth rate.
Robert Ford: So you've got large portions, and even some geographies that we can sustain that growth, and we feel that we're supporting it with product launches and investment to sustain what I consider a pretty differentiated growth rate. Then you've got the second bucket, which is, I'd say, an acceleration in our diagnostics. And all that really is, is we've been doing very well taking share in our core lab business across the world. And what we had a challenge with last year is with COVID coming down. In 2024, I think it was like $750 million coming down to $250. So you had half a billion dollar headwind there, and then you had another $400 million headwind in China VBP, right? Our forecast for COVID is around that same number, around 200. So I'm not expecting any significant growth or decline.
So you've got large portions, and even some geographies that we can sustain that growth, and we feel that we're supporting it with product launches and investment to sustain what I consider a pretty differentiated growth rate. Then you've got the second bucket, which is, I'd say, an acceleration in our diagnostics. And all that really is, is we've been doing very well taking share in our core lab business across the world. And what we had a challenge with last year is with COVID coming down. In 2024, I think it was like $750 million coming down to $250. So you had half a billion dollar headwind there, and then you had another $400 million headwind in China VBP, right? Our forecast for COVID is around that same number, around 200. So I'm not expecting any significant growth or decline.
Speaker #4: Then you've got the second bucket, which is, I'd say, an acceleration in our diagnostics. And all that really is, is we've been doing very well taking share in our core lab business across the world.
Speaker #4: And what we had a challenge with last year is with COVID coming down, 2024, I think it was like 750 million dollars coming down to 250.
Speaker #4: So you had a $500 million headwind there. And then you had another $400 million headwind in China VVP, right? Our forecast for COVID is around that same number, around $200 million.
Speaker #4: So, I'm not expecting any significant growth or decline. And a lot of the VVP, they come in waves. The vast majority of our sales in China have gone through the VVP.
Robert Ford: A lot of the VBP, they come in waves. The vast majority of our sales in China have gone through the VBP in 2025. So we really felt that impact in 2025. There's going to be more VBPs in China, but the shares that we have in those waves are very, very small compared to what we have. So you've got this whole lapping of our diagnostic business. And as long as we keep on doing what we're doing in the United States, Europe, Latin America, and other parts in Asia, which we have been doing, you're going to see a nice acceleration in our diagnostic business. And you started to see that throughout the year as the VBP impact started to dissipate a little bit as the year progressed.
A lot of the VBP, they come in waves. The vast majority of our sales in China have gone through the VBP in 2025. So we really felt that impact in 2025. There's going to be more VBPs in China, but the shares that we have in those waves are very, very small compared to what we have. So you've got this whole lapping of our diagnostic business. And as long as we keep on doing what we're doing in the United States, Europe, Latin America, and other parts in Asia, which we have been doing, you're going to see a nice acceleration in our diagnostic business. And you started to see that throughout the year as the VBP impact started to dissipate a little bit as the year progressed.
Speaker #4: In 2025, so we really felt that impact in 2025. There's going to be more VVPs in China, but the shares that we have in those waves are very, very small compared to what we have.
Speaker #4: So, you've got this whole lapping of our diagnostic business. And as long as we keep on doing what we're doing in the United States, and Europe, and Latin America, and other parts in Asia, which we have been doing, you're going to see a nice acceleration in our diagnostic business.
Speaker #4: And you started to see that throughout the year, as the VVP impact started to dissipate a little bit as the year progressed. You've got then, obviously, as I spoke quite at length here about this transition with nutrition, you've got probably one or two quarters here where growth is going to be challenged.
Robert Ford: You've got then, obviously, as I spoke quite at length here about this transition with nutrition, you've got probably one or two quarters here where growth is going to be challenged. But I am confident that what we're going to be able to do here is reignite the volume growth, and you'll see that business get back to growth. So those elements there, they really look at it and say, "Okay, you've got continued momentum in a large portion of the business. You've got some lapping that's going to be happening." And then we've got this transition, which I consider to be pretty short-term here of a couple of quarters to be able to get to this guide on the nutrition side.
You've got then, obviously, as I spoke quite at length here about this transition with nutrition, you've got probably one or two quarters here where growth is going to be challenged. But I am confident that what we're going to be able to do here is reignite the volume growth, and you'll see that business get back to growth. So those elements there, they really look at it and say, "Okay, you've got continued momentum in a large portion of the business. You've got some lapping that's going to be happening." And then we've got this transition, which I consider to be pretty short-term here of a couple of quarters to be able to get to this guide on the nutrition side.
Speaker #4: But I am confident that what we're going to be able to do here is reignite the volume growth. And you'll see that business get back to growth.
Speaker #4: So, those elements there, Dave, really look at it, say, 'Okay, you've got continued momentum in a large portion of the business. You've got some lapping that's going to be happening.' And then we've got this transition, which I consider to be pretty short term here—just a couple of quarters.
Speaker #4: To be able to get to this, to get to this guide on the Nutrition side. And then, I'm sure we'll talk about Exact Sciences, but that's another factor here.
Robert Ford: And then I'm sure we'll talk about Exact Sciences, but that's another factor here to be able to add on a $3 billion-plus business growing 15% with a lot of growth opportunities for us. So that's kind of how we looked at it, at least from a top line. And then having that flow through down to the bottom line, making investments in the areas that we need to, and nice gross margin and op margin profile expansion too, so.
And then I'm sure we'll talk about Exact Sciences, but that's another factor here to be able to add on a $3 billion-plus business growing 15% with a lot of growth opportunities for us. So that's kind of how we looked at it, at least from a top line. And then having that flow through down to the bottom line, making investments in the areas that we need to, and nice gross margin and op margin profile expansion too, so.
Speaker #4: To be able to add on $3 billion plus business growing 15% with a lot of growth opportunities for us. So that's kind of how we that's kind of how we looked at it, at least from a top line.
Speaker #4: And then having that flow through down to the bottom line, making investments in the areas that we need to, and nice gross margin and op margin profile expansion, too.
Speaker #4: So
Speaker #3: Great, thanks so much. Appreciate all the
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: Great. Thanks so much. Appreciate all the perspective.
David Roman: Great. Thanks so much. Appreciate all the perspective.
Speaker #3: perspective. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Robbie Marcus from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Robbie Marcus from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: Our next question will come from Robbie Marcus from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: open. Oh, great.
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: Oh, great. Thanks for taking the questions. Two for me. Robert, last week when we were talking, you said you expect CGM to continue to track higher at about $1 billion a year. That would put 2026 somewhere in the low to mid teens. Is that the right way to think about CGM growth next year? And maybe if you just want to give your updated thoughts on market growth and Abbott's position there, and then I have a follow-up. Thanks a lot.
Robbie Marcus: Oh, great. Thanks for taking the questions. Two for me. Robert, last week when we were talking, you said you expect CGM to continue to track higher at about $1 billion a year. That would put 2026 somewhere in the low to mid teens. Is that the right way to think about CGM growth next year? And maybe if you just want to give your updated thoughts on market growth and Abbott's position there, and then I have a follow-up. Thanks a lot.
Speaker #5: Thanks for taking the questions. Two from me. Robert, last week when we were talking, you said you expect CGM to continue the track higher at about $1 billion.
Speaker #5: A year. That would put 2026 somewhere in the low to mid-teens. Is that the right way to think about CGM growth next year? And maybe if you just want to give your updated thoughts on market growth and Abbott's position there.
Speaker #5: And then I have a follow-up.
Speaker #5: Thanks a lot. Sure.
Speaker #4: When you said 'next year,' you mean 2026, right?
Robert Ford: Sure. When you said next year, you mean 2026, right? So.
Robert Ford: Sure. When you said next year, you mean 2026, right? So.
Speaker #4: right? Yes,
Speaker #3: thank you.
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: Yes. Thank you.
Robbie Marcus: Yes. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think—yeah, there’s all this debate that I read about that the market’s slowing. And I get, if you’re just looking at percentages and that’s how you base yourself off it, then I guess if it’s that myopic, then I think, okay, I understand the conclusion.
Robert Ford: Got it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, there's all this debate that I read about that the market's slowing. And I get if you're just looking at percentages and that's how you base yourself off it, then I guess if it's that myopic, then I think, okay, I understand the conclusion. But I don't consider growing $1 billion every single year and doing it for four years in a row to be slowing down here, Robbie. I think the math will work out to what you just kind of highlighted there in the kind of low teens. But I think there's got a lot, still a lot of opportunity for penetration in this, both from a market perspective, but then also from our opportunity, our ability to drive market share and market expansion.
Robert Ford: Got it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, there's all this debate that I read about that the market's slowing. And I get if you're just looking at percentages and that's how you base yourself off it, then I guess if it's that myopic, then I think, okay, I understand the conclusion. But I don't consider growing $1 billion every single year and doing it for four years in a row to be slowing down here, Robbie. I think the math will work out to what you just kind of highlighted there in the kind of low teens. But I think there's got a lot, still a lot of opportunity for penetration in this, both from a market perspective, but then also from our opportunity, our ability to drive market share and market expansion.
Speaker #4: But I don't consider growing a billion dollars every single year, and doing it for four years in a row, to be slowing down here, Robbie.
Speaker #4: I think the math will work out to what you just kind of highlighted there. And in the kind of low teens. But I think there's got a lot still a lot of opportunity for penetration in this both from a market perspective, but then also from our opportunity our ability to drive market share and market expansion.
Speaker #4: I think that if you look at across all three patient groups, whether it's the intensive insulin user, the basal insulin user, and the non-insulin user, all of those areas still, there's so much penetration to be able to have here and you can see across the world, not just in the United States, but across the world, a lot of movement, whether it's patient groups, healthcare systems, there are looking to expand the use and the adoption of the technology into all these patient into all these patient segments.
Robert Ford: I think that if you look across all three patient groups, whether it's the intensive insulin user, the basal insulin user, and the non-insulin user, all of those areas, still, there's so much penetration to be able to have here. And you can see across the world, not just in the United States, but across the world, a lot of movement, whether it's patient groups, healthcare systems that are looking to expand the use and the adoption of the technology into all these patient segments. I know the US gets a lot of attention, and it's an important market. And there's a lot of great opportunities for us there in terms of the non-insulin user reimbursement opportunity. I continue to see nice progress in this process. There seems to be a lot of support to do this.
I think that if you look across all three patient groups, whether it's the intensive insulin user, the basal insulin user, and the non-insulin user, all of those areas, still, there's so much penetration to be able to have here. And you can see across the world, not just in the United States, but across the world, a lot of movement, whether it's patient groups, healthcare systems that are looking to expand the use and the adoption of the technology into all these patient segments. I know the US gets a lot of attention, and it's an important market. And there's a lot of great opportunities for us there in terms of the non-insulin user reimbursement opportunity. I continue to see nice progress in this process. There seems to be a lot of support to do this.
Speaker #4: I know the U.S. gets a lot of attention, and it's an important market, and there's a lot of great opportunities for us there. In terms of the non-insulin user reimbursement opportunity, I continue to see nice progress in this process.
Speaker #4: There seems to be a lot of support to do this. And the data that we've shown—like, we've published three studies already that show that this patient segment also benefits with lower A1C, greater time in range, all the things that have driven kind of reimbursement in the other segments.
Robert Ford: The data that we've shown, we've published three studies already that show that this patient segment also benefits with lower A1C, greater time in range, all the things that have driven kind of reimbursement in the other segments. So I think that this is a very strong opportunity for us here in the US. And we'll see how it plays out. I think we'll see some language in the first half and then how it all plays out with comment periods. You know this, Robbie, there's comment periods, there's all of this. So I'm not baking that into my guidance, but I can tell you we will be 150% ready to execute, whether it's having manufacturing capacity, having the scale, and the position on the primary care side, which is where that'll probably play out more. We'll be ready.
The data that we've shown, we've published three studies already that show that this patient segment also benefits with lower A1C, greater time in range, all the things that have driven kind of reimbursement in the other segments. So I think that this is a very strong opportunity for us here in the US. And we'll see how it plays out. I think we'll see some language in the first half and then how it all plays out with comment periods. You know this, Robbie, there's comment periods, there's all of this. So I'm not baking that into my guidance, but I can tell you we will be 150% ready to execute, whether it's having manufacturing capacity, having the scale, and the position on the primary care side, which is where that'll probably play out more. We'll be ready.
Speaker #4: So I think that this is a very strong opportunity for us here in the US. And we'll see how it plays out. I think we'll see some I think we'll see some language in the first half.
Speaker #4: And then how it all plays out with comment periods that you know this, Robbie, there's comment periods, there's all of this. So I'm not baking that into my guidance, but I can tell you we'll be 150% ready to execute, whether it's having manufacturing capacity and having the scale and the position in the primary care on the primary care side, which is where that'll probably play out more.
Speaker #4: We'll be ready. So that provides an opportunity to outperform that consensus forecast. I think on the intensive insulin user side, I still think there's penetration to be had and adoption to be had, especially in international markets.
Robert Ford: So that provides an opportunity to outperform that consensus forecast. I think on the intensive insulin user side, I still think there's penetration to be had and adoption to be had, especially in international markets. I think that's only about 50% penetrated. So I think there's still a lot of opportunity to do the work that we're doing there. Obviously, scale and cost matter in the international markets, and I think we've got that position set. And then as you look at what I think is more specific to us, the opportunity to bring in a very differentiated product to look at market share shift in a segment that I'd say we're probably a little bit underrepresented from a market share perspective, which is on the pumper side with the launch of our CGM sensor. I think that's going to provide us a great opportunity.
So that provides an opportunity to outperform that consensus forecast. I think on the intensive insulin user side, I still think there's penetration to be had and adoption to be had, especially in international markets. I think that's only about 50% penetrated. So I think there's still a lot of opportunity to do the work that we're doing there. Obviously, scale and cost matter in the international markets, and I think we've got that position set. And then as you look at what I think is more specific to us, the opportunity to bring in a very differentiated product to look at market share shift in a segment that I'd say we're probably a little bit underrepresented from a market share perspective, which is on the pumper side with the launch of our CGM sensor. I think that's going to provide us a great opportunity.
Speaker #4: I think that's only about 50% penetrated, so I think there's still a lot of opportunity to do the work that we're doing there. Obviously, scale and cost matter.
Speaker #4: In the international markets, and I think we've got that position set. And then as you look at the as you look at what I think is more specific to us, the opportunity to bring in a very differentiated product to look at market share shift in a segment that I'd say we're probably a little bit underrepresented from a market share perspective which is on the pumper side.
Speaker #4: With the launch of with the launch of our GKS sensor, I think that's going to provide us a great opportunity I'm not going to try and pinpoint the exact quarter here, Robbie, when we get approval.
Robert Ford: I'm not going to try and pinpoint the exact quarter here, Robbie. When we get approval, we'll issue the press release and we'll be out. But we've been working hard already concomitantly with the regulatory process, with KOLs, with physician groups, with payers. And I think there was an article that came out in The Lancet in January talking about, beginning of this year, talking about the importance of measuring continuously ketones as DK is still a major care gap here for people with diabetes. So I think you've got a big opportunity here with this product for market share conversion. I think one of the surprising things for me in this, as we started to really double-click on these patient segments, is we talked about the SGLT2 population. So we did some analysis in the US. You got about six million SGLT2 users in the US.
I'm not going to try and pinpoint the exact quarter here, Robbie. When we get approval, we'll issue the press release and we'll be out. But we've been working hard already concomitantly with the regulatory process, with KOLs, with physician groups, with payers. And I think there was an article that came out in The Lancet in January talking about, beginning of this year, talking about the importance of measuring continuously ketones as DK is still a major care gap here for people with diabetes. So I think you've got a big opportunity here with this product for market share conversion. I think one of the surprising things for me in this, as we started to really double-click on these patient segments, is we talked about the SGLT2 population. So we did some analysis in the US. You got about six million SGLT2 users in the US.
Speaker #4: We'll issue the press release and we'll be out, but we've been working hard already, concomitantly with the regulatory process, with KOLs, with physician groups, with payers. And I think there was an article that came out in The Lancet in January, at the beginning of this year, talking about the importance of measuring ketones continuously, as DKA is still a major care gap here for people with diabetes.
Speaker #4: So, I think you've got a big opportunity here with this product for market share conversion. I think one of the surprising things for me in this, as we've started to really double-click on these patient segments, is we talked about the SGLT2 population.
Speaker #4: So, we did some analysis in the US—you've got about 6 million SGLT2 users in the US, and if you cross-reference their usage of CGM through all the databases, only about a million of those six are on CGMs.
Robert Ford: If you cross-reference their usage of CGM through all the databases, only about a million of those six are on CGMs. So I think there's going to be an opportunity here also to kind of create market expansion with this product. Not just share capture, but also market expansion. This market is still very robust. It's becoming larger. I get the law of big numbers kind of lowers those percentages. But if you just look at it from a penetration perspective, Robbie, there's still so much to do in all these segments and different geographies that we're still very excited and making big investments, whether it's in sales and marketing, clinical R&D, and manufacturing, because we still think that this is still I'm not going to say it's the first or second inning, but we're far away from being from the seventh inning on this one.
If you cross-reference their usage of CGM through all the databases, only about a million of those six are on CGMs. So I think there's going to be an opportunity here also to kind of create market expansion with this product. Not just share capture, but also market expansion. This market is still very robust. It's becoming larger. I get the law of big numbers kind of lowers those percentages. But if you just look at it from a penetration perspective, Robbie, there's still so much to do in all these segments and different geographies that we're still very excited and making big investments, whether it's in sales and marketing, clinical R&D, and manufacturing, because we still think that this is still I'm not going to say it's the first or second inning, but we're far away from being from the seventh inning on this one.
Speaker #4: So I think there's an I think there's going to be an opportunity here also to kind of create market expansion with this product. So not just share capture, but also market expansion.
Speaker #4: So this market is still very robust. It's becoming larger. So I get the law big numbers kind of lowers those percentages, but if you just look at it from a penetration perspective, Robbie, there's still so much to do in all these segments and different geographies that we're still very excited and making big investments whether it's in sales and marketing, clinical, R&D, and manufacturing because we still think that this is still I'm not going to say it's the first or second inning, but we're far away from being from the seventh inning on this one.
Speaker #4: So, I think there's still a lot of opportunity here, and we're in a good—
Robert Ford: I think there's still a lot of opportunity here, and we're in a good position.
I think there's still a lot of opportunity here, and we're in a good position.
Speaker #4: position.
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: Great. Maybe just a quick follow-up. It's great to see you're still able to do double-digit EPS growth in 2026. I would imagine that's coming through the top line and margin expansion. How should we think about the magnitude of margin expansion and the drivers of it? Thank you.
Robbie Marcus: Great. Maybe just a quick follow-up. It's great to see you're still able to do double-digit EPS growth in 2026. I would imagine that's coming through the top line and margin expansion. How should we think about the magnitude of margin expansion and the drivers of it? Thank you.
Speaker #1: Maybe just a quick follow-up. It's great to see your still able to do double-digit EPS growth in 2026. I would imagine that's coming through the top line and margin expansion.
Speaker #1: How should we think about the magnitude of margin expansion and the drivers of it? Thank you.
Speaker #1: You. Yeah, I'll let Bill take that.
Robert Ford: I'll let Phil take that.
Robert Ford: I'll let Phil take that.
Speaker #3: Yeah, thanks, Robbie. I couldn't be more proud of what the team accomplished in 2025. As Robert outlined, we're coming uncertainties volatilities and whatnot to still drive margin expansion.
Philip Boudreau: Yeah. Thanks, Robbie. I couldn't be more proud of what the team accomplished in 2025, as Robert outlined. Overcoming uncertainties, volatilities, and whatnot to still drive margin expansion. And that commitment to the execution and excellence there maintains in 2026. Expect to do more of the same, focus on the things that are strategically aligned and the execution here to where we continue to look at a 50 to 70 basis point improvement in operating margins every year. And that's kind of what we've got built into this and fully expect we'll do that through both gross margin expansion as we've done, but continue to gain leverage in the P&L where appropriate. So that's kind of how we've constructed that double-digit earnings.
Philip Boudreau: Yeah. Thanks, Robbie. I couldn't be more proud of what the team accomplished in 2025, as Robert outlined. Overcoming uncertainties, volatilities, and whatnot to still drive margin expansion. And that commitment to the execution and excellence there maintains in 2026. Expect to do more of the same, focus on the things that are strategically aligned and the execution here to where we continue to look at a 50 to 70 basis point improvement in operating margins every year. And that's kind of what we've got built into this and fully expect we'll do that through both gross margin expansion as we've done, but continue to gain leverage in the P&L where appropriate. So that's kind of how we've constructed that double-digit earnings.
Speaker #3: And that commitment to the execution and excellence there maintains. In 2026, expect to do more of the same, focus on the things that are strategically aligned and the execution here to where we continue to look at a 50 to 70 basis point improvement in operating margins every year, and that's kind of what we've got built into this and fully expect we'll do that through both gross margin expansion, as we've done, but continue to gain leverage in the P&L where appropriate.
Speaker #3: So that's kind of how we've constructed that
Speaker #3: double-digit earnings.
Speaker #1: Appreciate
Speaker #1: it. Thank you very
Lawrence H. Biegelsen: Appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Robbie Marcus: Appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Speaker #1: much. Thank
Speaker #4: You. Our next question will come from Vijay Kumar from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Vijay Kumar from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Vijay Kumar from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Hi, Robert. Good morning, and thanks for taking my question. My first one is maybe on the product side. Like you mentioned, another double-digit quarter—just curious on where are we from a penetration standpoint, what innings are we in, and how durable is this double-digit growth in a category that's a pacemaker, sort of low single-digit growth category?
Vijay Muniyappa Kumar: Hi, Robert. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. My first one on maybe on the product side. Q4, like you mentioned, another double-digit quarter. Just curious, where are we from a penetration standpoint? What innings are we in? And how durable is this double-digit growth in a category that's a pacemaker, or low single-digit growth category and you guys are doing double digits?
Vijay Kumar: Hi, Robert. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. My first one on maybe on the product side. Q4, like you mentioned, another double-digit quarter. Just curious, where are we from a penetration standpoint? What innings are we in? And how durable is this double-digit growth in a category that's a pacemaker, or low single-digit growth category and you guys are doing double digits?
Speaker #5: And you guys are doing double digits.
Speaker #2: Sure. Well, I made some comments about how we look at this rhythm management $10 billion market as actually an opportunity to grow. So we have been making our investments there—obviously that's a big driver of that—but we're making investments in other areas of the portfolio to kind of be able to support our ability to take market share and grow at a differentiated rate here.
Robert Ford: Sure. Well, I made some comments about we look at this rhythm management $10 billion market as actually an opportunity to grow. So we have been making our investments. Obviously, it's a big driver of that, but we're making investments in other areas of the portfolio to kind of be able to support our ability to take market share and grow at a differentiated rate here. To your question on penetration, listen, the global low voltage or pacing segment market is around $5 billion, whatever, $4.8 to 5.2 billion, depending on what you're looking at. But let's just call it $5 billion. I'd say Aveir is about 10% of that right now. So early innings here for us, for sure. And as I said previously, when we began this process, I wasn't interested in just getting a flash-in-the-pan sales growth for like a year or six quarters.
Robert Ford: Sure. Well, I made some comments about we look at this rhythm management $10 billion market as actually an opportunity to grow. So we have been making our investments. Obviously, it's a big driver of that, but we're making investments in other areas of the portfolio to kind of be able to support our ability to take market share and grow at a differentiated rate here. To your question on penetration, listen, the global low voltage or pacing segment market is around $5 billion, whatever, $4.8 to 5.2 billion, depending on what you're looking at. But let's just call it $5 billion. I'd say Aveir is about 10% of that right now. So early innings here for us, for sure. And as I said previously, when we began this process, I wasn't interested in just getting a flash-in-the-pan sales growth for like a year or six quarters.
Speaker #2: To your question on penetration, listen, the global low voltage or pacing segment market is around 5 billion. Whatever, 4.8 to 5.2. Depending on what you're looking at.
Speaker #2: But let's just call it 5 billion. I'd say Avera is about 10% of that right now. So early innings here for us for sure.
Speaker #2: And as I said previously, when we began this process, I wasn't interested in just getting a flash-in-the-pan sales growth for a year or six quarters.
Speaker #2: So we really worked hard at a team did an incredible job to really establish a new standard of care and get physicians trained at a different type of implant.
Robert Ford: So we really worked hard, and the team did an incredible job to really establish a new standard of care and get physicians trained at a different type of implant. So what we're seeing here is really nice growth in places that a year, year and a half ago, we began the training process and really seeing really strong penetration there. If you look at just single chamber, I think right now the US single chamber pacing, which is about 15% of the total market, that's about 50% penetrated. So there's still a long opportunity here in the US and, quite frankly, globally too. So I think the team has done an incredible job here. We've launched new products. We'll continue to launch new products in this space.
So we really worked hard, and the team did an incredible job to really establish a new standard of care and get physicians trained at a different type of implant. So what we're seeing here is really nice growth in places that a year, year and a half ago, we began the training process and really seeing really strong penetration there. If you look at just single chamber, I think right now the US single chamber pacing, which is about 15% of the total market, that's about 50% penetrated. So there's still a long opportunity here in the US and, quite frankly, globally too. So I think the team has done an incredible job here. We've launched new products. We'll continue to launch new products in this space.
Speaker #2: So what we're seeing here is really nice growth in places that, a year, year and a half ago, we began the training process and we're really seeing strong penetration there.
Speaker #2: If you look at just single chamber, I think right now the US single chamber pacing, which is about 15% of the total market, that's about 50% penetrated.
Speaker #2: So there's still a long opportunity here in the US and quite frankly, globally too. So I think the team has done an incredible job here where we've launched new products.
Speaker #2: We'll continue to launch new products in this space, and we think that this is the next standard in CRM—these devices that are communicating with each other, that can be implanted transfemorally, and don't use leads.
Robert Ford: And we think that this is the next standard in CRM: these devices that are communicating with each other, that can be implanted transfemorally, and don't use leads. The clinical evidence in terms of what they're able to deliver is pretty impressive right now. So I think we've got a lot of investment here that will support this type of differentiated growth rate.
And we think that this is the next standard in CRM: these devices that are communicating with each other, that can be implanted transfemorally, and don't use leads. The clinical evidence in terms of what they're able to deliver is pretty impressive right now. So I think we've got a lot of investment here that will support this type of differentiated growth rate.
Speaker #2: The clinical evidence in terms of what they're able to deliver is pretty impressive right now. So I think it's I think we've got a lot of investment here.
Speaker #2: That will support this type of differentiated growth.
Speaker #2: rate. Yeah, that's helpful, Robert.
Vijay Muniyappa Kumar: Yeah. That's helpful, Robert. And my follow-up on, or I guess the second question is on cap allocation, any updated thoughts on Exact deal close timing, in the dilution, I think you mentioned $0.20. When you think about your leverage levels, it's still close deal, it'll still be pretty modest. You still have capacity. I'm curious when you think about M&A versus divestitures or spin-offs. MedTech right now seems to be spin-off seems to be at the flavor of the season. I'm curious how you're thinking about those decisions.
Vijay Kumar: Yeah. That's helpful, Robert. And my follow-up on, or I guess the second question is on cap allocation, any updated thoughts on Exact deal close timing, in the dilution, I think you mentioned $0.20. When you think about your leverage levels, it's still close deal, it'll still be pretty modest. You still have capacity. I'm curious when you think about M&A versus divestitures or spin-offs. MedTech right now seems to be spin-off seems to be at the flavor of the season. I'm curious how you're thinking about those decisions.
Speaker #5: And my follow-up, or I guess the second question, is on capital allocation. Any updated thoughts on exact deal close timing? Dilution? I think you mentioned $0.20.
Speaker #5: When you think about your leverage levels, it's still close, it'll still be pretty modest. You still have capacity? I'm curious, when you think about M&A versus divestitures or spin-offs, MedTech right now seems to be—spin-off seems to be the flavor of the season.
Speaker #5: I'm curious how you're thinking about those.
Speaker #5: Decisions. Well, you put a lot into that.
Robert Ford: Well, you put a lot into that one there, Vijay. Let me see if I can unpack that. I think from a capital allocation perspective, I've always been pretty consistent with our approach. I don't have a formula that X percent goes here, Y percent goes there. We are committed to a growing dividend, and we did that again for 2026 when we announced our dividend back in December. So we're growing our dividend. But outside of that, we'll allocate our capital in terms of what we believe is the best balance between short-term and long-term for our shareholders where we can create value. Regarding M&A, listen, my focus right now is integration, closing Exact Sciences, and integration. That's going to be my primary focus. I think post-close, our gross debt-to-EBITDA ratio will be around 2.7x. So to your point, we still have plenty of capacity.
Robert Ford: Well, you put a lot into that one there, Vijay. Let me see if I can unpack that. I think from a capital allocation perspective, I've always been pretty consistent with our approach. I don't have a formula that X percent goes here, Y percent goes there. We are committed to a growing dividend, and we did that again for 2026 when we announced our dividend back in December. So we're growing our dividend. But outside of that, we'll allocate our capital in terms of what we believe is the best balance between short-term and long-term for our shareholders where we can create value. Regarding M&A, listen, my focus right now is integration, closing Exact Sciences, and integration. That's going to be my primary focus. I think post-close, our gross debt-to-EBITDA ratio will be around 2.7x. So to your point, we still have plenty of capacity.
Speaker #2: One there, Vijay. Let me see if I can unpack that. I think from a capital allocation perspective, I've always been pretty consistent with our approach.
Speaker #2: I don't have a formula that X percent goes here, Y percent goes there. We're committed to a growing dividend and we did that again for 2026 when we announced our dividend back in December.
Speaker #2: So we're growing our dividend. But outside of that, we'll allocate our capital in terms of what we believe is the best balance between short-term and long-term for our shareholders where we can create value.
Speaker #2: Regarding M&A, listen, my focus right now is integration, closing, exact science, and integration. That's going to be my primary focus. I think, post-close, our gross debt to EBITDA ratio will be around 2.7 times.
Speaker #2: So to your point, we still have plenty of capacity. But I think in the near term, I'd say focus on integrating exact sciences. And if there's opportunities for us to add, there'll probably be more tuck-in type size deals.
Robert Ford: But I think in the near term, I'd say focus on integrating Exact Sciences. And if there's opportunities for us to add, there'll probably be more tuck-in type size deals to take advantage of. Regarding the status right now of Exact Sciences, I think we're making great progress towards closing. We've submitted all of our required clearances over here. There's a shareholder vote on 20 February. So right now, I'm not changing any assumption regarding timing of close or kind of EPS impact. And as we integrate the business, then we'll go updating it as we go along. But right now, there's no change in terms of timing and in terms of dilution. So I read your note last night, Vijay. I thought that you would have been asking a question about multi-cancers or early detection and the opportunity that exists.
But I think in the near term, I'd say focus on integrating Exact Sciences. And if there's opportunities for us to add, there'll probably be more tuck-in type size deals to take advantage of. Regarding the status right now of Exact Sciences, I think we're making great progress towards closing. We've submitted all of our required clearances over here. There's a shareholder vote on 20 February. So right now, I'm not changing any assumption regarding timing of close or kind of EPS impact. And as we integrate the business, then we'll go updating it as we go along. But right now, there's no change in terms of timing and in terms of dilution. So I read your note last night, Vijay. I thought that you would have been asking a question about multi-cancers or early detection and the opportunity that exists.
Speaker #2: To take advantage of regarding the status right now of EXACT, I think we're making great progress towards closing. They submitted—we've submitted all of our required clearances over here.
Speaker #2: There's a shareholder vote on the 20th of February. So, right now, I'm not changing any assumption regarding timing of close or kind of EPS impact.
Speaker #2: And as we integrate and as we put the as we integrate the business, then we'll go updating it as we go along. But right now, there's no change in terms of timing and in terms of dilution.
Speaker #2: So I read your note last night, Vijay. I thought that you would have been asking a question about multi-counts or early detection. And the opportunity that exists, I largely agree with your report.
Robert Ford: I largely agree with your report. I think this is going to be another great opportunity for us. And it's one that, as we looked at the deal, says, "Okay, greater reimbursement of this type of test will really make this a very, very large segment." I think the way I see this is the same way that we have a lipid panel test every year, the same way that we do a cardiometabolic panel or a white and red blood count panel every year after a certain age. I believe that if the product is right and performs right and it's priced the right way, I just envision this being that type of test. So I think that if that becomes the case, I think your forecast is way under called, even on the upper side. But okay.
I largely agree with your report. I think this is going to be another great opportunity for us. And it's one that, as we looked at the deal, says, "Okay, greater reimbursement of this type of test will really make this a very, very large segment." I think the way I see this is the same way that we have a lipid panel test every year, the same way that we do a cardiometabolic panel or a white and red blood count panel every year after a certain age. I believe that if the product is right and performs right and it's priced the right way, I just envision this being that type of test. So I think that if that becomes the case, I think your forecast is way under called, even on the upper side. But okay.
Speaker #2: I think this is going to be another great opportunity for us. And it's one that, as we looked at the deal, says, "Okay, greater reimbursement of this type of test will really make this a very, very large segment." I think the way I see this is the same way that we have our lipid panel test every year, the same way that we do a cardiometabolic panel or a white and red blood count panel every year.
Speaker #2: After a certain age, I believe that if the product is right and performs right and it's priced the right way, I just envision this being that type of test.
Speaker #2: So, I think that if that becomes the case, I think your forecast is way under call, even on the upper side.
Speaker #1: You. Our next question will come from Danielle Antolfi from UBS. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Danielle Antalffy from UBS. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Danielle Antalffy from UBS. Your line is open.
Speaker #4: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks so much for taking the question. And Robert, just two questions for you on Nutrition. Appreciate all that you're saying about the strategy there going forward.
Danielle Joy Antalffy: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks so much for taking the question. And Robert, just two questions for you on nutrition. Appreciate all that you're saying about the strategy there going forward. But I guess first part of the question is, what gives you confidence that these are the right prices that you're landing at today to drive that volume increase? Did you guys do? It's global, so I imagine it differs by market. And then the second question is now, and tell me if I'm wrong here, but presumably nutrition has a different profitability profile and maybe talk about whether how it changes your view about how this fits into the entire Abbott portfolio. Thank you so much.
Danielle Antalffy: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks so much for taking the question. And Robert, just two questions for you on nutrition. Appreciate all that you're saying about the strategy there going forward. But I guess first part of the question is, what gives you confidence that these are the right prices that you're landing at today to drive that volume increase? Did you guys do? It's global, so I imagine it differs by market. And then the second question is now, and tell me if I'm wrong here, but presumably nutrition has a different profitability profile and maybe talk about whether how it changes your view about how this fits into the entire Abbott portfolio. Thank you so much.
Speaker #4: But I guess first part of the question is, what gives you confidence that these are the right prices that you're landing at today to drive that volume increase?
Speaker #4: Did you guys do it? It's global, so I imagine it differs by market. And then the second question is now—and tell me if I'm wrong here—but presumably nutrition has a different profitability profile. Maybe talk about whether or how that changes your view about how this fits into the entire Abbott portfolio.
Speaker #4: Thank you so much.
Speaker #2: Sure. Well, regarding the pricing, we did some pricing work just before Thanksgiving, in time for what usually is a pretty busy kind of retail activity.
Robert Ford: Sure. Well, regarding the pricing, so we did some pricing work just before Thanksgiving in time for what usually is a pretty busy kind of retail activity. And so we did different testing here in the United States. We did different testing internationally also. We got the results back on the US side pretty quickly. You get to see the impact pretty quickly. And like I said in the comments, I think the early signs are encouraging. But I also said, "Hey, we got to keep monitoring this. You got to keep monitoring it for the consumer. You got to keep monitoring it for competitive activities." But I think right now, based on what we have, I think we've kind of called it right. And regarding kind of allocating expenses, listen, we don't have a cookie-cutter approach across all the businesses.
Robert Ford: Sure. Well, regarding the pricing, so we did some pricing work just before Thanksgiving in time for what usually is a pretty busy kind of retail activity. And so we did different testing here in the United States. We did different testing internationally also. We got the results back on the US side pretty quickly. You get to see the impact pretty quickly. And like I said in the comments, I think the early signs are encouraging. But I also said, "Hey, we got to keep monitoring this. You got to keep monitoring it for the consumer. You got to keep monitoring it for competitive activities." But I think right now, based on what we have, I think we've kind of called it right. And regarding kind of allocating expenses, listen, we don't have a cookie-cutter approach across all the businesses.
Speaker #2: And so we did different testing here in the United States. We did different testing internationally also. We got the results back on the U.S. side pretty quickly.
Speaker #2: You get to see the impact pretty quickly. And like I said in the comments, I think the early signs are encouraging. But I also said, 'Hey, we got to keep monitoring this.'
Speaker #2: You’ve got to keep monitoring it for the consumer. You’ve got to keep monitoring it for competitive activities. But I think right now, based on what we have, I think we've kind of called it right.
Speaker #2: And regarding kind of allocating expenses, listen, we don't have a cookie-cutter approach across all the businesses. It always depends on momentum, opportunity, the balance of the short and the long term.
Robert Ford: It always depends on momentum, opportunity, the balance of the short and the long term. And so we take a very kind of detailed view in terms of how we're allocating. Yeah, the profitability has improved in this business. I'd say it's probably from a profile perspective going to be in line with what it was in 2025. We've obviously got to make some adjustments in our spend level and learn how to spend a little bit better. And we did that also in Q4, shifting some of the focus from kind of marketing and brand to a little bit more kind of price and promotion, at least for these next six months. And that way, we're able to at least kind of maintain a kind of steady profile over here.
It always depends on momentum, opportunity, the balance of the short and the long term. And so we take a very kind of detailed view in terms of how we're allocating. Yeah, the profitability has improved in this business. I'd say it's probably from a profile perspective going to be in line with what it was in 2025. We've obviously got to make some adjustments in our spend level and learn how to spend a little bit better. And we did that also in Q4, shifting some of the focus from kind of marketing and brand to a little bit more kind of price and promotion, at least for these next six months. And that way, we're able to at least kind of maintain a kind of steady profile over here.
Speaker #2: And so we take a very kind of detailed view in terms of how we're allocating. Yeah, the profitability has improved in this business. I'd say it's probably, from a profile perspective, going to be in line with what it was in 2025.
Speaker #2: We've obviously got to make some adjustments in our spend level and learn how to spend a little bit better. And we did that also in Q4, shifting some of the focus from kind of marketing and brand to a little bit more kind of price and promotion.
Speaker #2: At least for these next six months. And that way, we're able to at least kind of maintain a kind of steady profile over here.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Danielle Joy Antalffy: Thank you.
Danielle Antalffy: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question will come from Matt Taylor from Jefferies. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Matt Taylor from Jefferies. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Matt Taylor from Jefferies. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Sorry, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So, I wanted to start with diagnostics and see if you could unpack some of the dynamics there a little bit more.
Matthew Stephan Miksic: Sorry. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So I wanted to start with diagnostics and see if you could unpack some of the dynamics there a little bit more. You touched on the China headwinds in VBP and mentioned some smaller programs or categories there. What's the outlook like for diagnostics in China? It does seem like the rest of the world's doing fairly well. But what do you foresee for China growth this year and next in diagnostics?
Matt Taylor: Sorry. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So I wanted to start with diagnostics and see if you could unpack some of the dynamics there a little bit more. You touched on the China headwinds in VBP and mentioned some smaller programs or categories there. What's the outlook like for diagnostics in China? It does seem like the rest of the world's doing fairly well. But what do you foresee for China growth this year and next in diagnostics?
Speaker #5: You touched on the China headwinds in BBP and mentioned some smaller programs or categories there. What's the outlook like for diagnostics in China? It does seem like the rest of the world is doing fairly well.
Speaker #5: But what do you foresee for China growth this year and next in
Speaker #5: But what do you foresee for China growth this year and next in diagnostics? Well, specifically in
Robert Ford: Well, specifically in Diagnostics, like I said, I think we've gone through what I would consider the bulk of our VBP based on the strength and the market share we have and the different assays. The way they're going about this is they're just looking at categories of assays and then kind of implementing it. The first two were the ones that we had over 40-45% market share in those markets. We kind of felt that pretty significantly. I think the next big area of VBP is going to be on just your regular kind of Core Lab oncology testing. We have very little market share over there. So listen, we put a new management team in place there, put our most experienced commercial person that is driving that business.
Robert Ford: Well, specifically in Diagnostics, like I said, I think we've gone through what I would consider the bulk of our VBP based on the strength and the market share we have and the different assays. The way they're going about this is they're just looking at categories of assays and then kind of implementing it. The first two were the ones that we had over 40-45% market share in those markets. We kind of felt that pretty significantly. I think the next big area of VBP is going to be on just your regular kind of Core Lab oncology testing. We have very little market share over there. So listen, we put a new management team in place there, put our most experienced commercial person that is driving that business.
Speaker #2: Diagnostics, like I said, I think we've gone through what I would consider the bulk of our VBP based on the strength and the market share we have, and the different assays. The way they're going about this is they're just looking at categories of assays and then kind of implementing it in the first two, where the ones that we had over 40 to 45% market share in those markets.
Speaker #2: So we kind of felt that pretty significantly. I think the next big area of BBP is going to be in just your regular kind of core lab oncology testing, and we have very little market share over there.
Speaker #2: So, listen, we put a new management team in place there. We put our most experienced commercial person that is driving that business. We've done a lot of work there between working with our distributors, segmenting the market, looking at our product portfolio, looking at different types of product offerings—new product offering versus legacy product offering.
Robert Ford: We've done a lot of work there between working with our distributors, segmenting the market, looking at our product portfolio, looking at different types of product offerings, new product offering versus legacy product offering. So I think the teams have done a really good job there. My expectation with that business going forward is, listen, I'm not expecting big growth out of it. All I need for it is to be pretty stable. It being stable, I get to have the other parts of the portfolio that are accelerating. Our US business has actually done better than what it's done in the past. So we're capturing market share over there. Our Latin America business is doing better than what it's done in the past, capturing market share there. Our European business has continued to grow. We got a good position over there.
We've done a lot of work there between working with our distributors, segmenting the market, looking at our product portfolio, looking at different types of product offerings, new product offering versus legacy product offering. So I think the teams have done a really good job there. My expectation with that business going forward is, listen, I'm not expecting big growth out of it. All I need for it is to be pretty stable. It being stable, I get to have the other parts of the portfolio that are accelerating. Our US business has actually done better than what it's done in the past. So we're capturing market share over there. Our Latin America business is doing better than what it's done in the past, capturing market share there. Our European business has continued to grow. We got a good position over there.
Speaker #2: So, I think the teams have done a really good job there. And my expectation with that business going forward is, listen, I'm not expecting big growth out of it.
Speaker #2: All I need for it is to be pretty stable. And with it being stable, I get to have the other parts of the portfolio that are accelerating.
Speaker #2: Our U.S. business is actually doing better than what it's done in the past, so we're capturing market share over there. Our Latin America business is doing better than what it's done in the past, capturing market share there.
Speaker #2: Our European business is continuing to grow. We got a good position over there. So, I'd say the outlook of that business is we will be, I'd say, mid-single digit growth this year versus kind of where we were in 2025.
Robert Ford: So I'd say the outlook of that business is we will be, I'd say, mid-single digit growth this year versus kind of where we were in 2025. And if you remove China again, this is a full year view. If you remove China, then you're in that kind of 7% to 8% kind of range. So I don't like doing that, Matt, because China is part of our business. But you'll see an acceleration even with China just because it's a little bit more stable versus where it was last year.
So I'd say the outlook of that business is we will be, I'd say, mid-single digit growth this year versus kind of where we were in 2025. And if you remove China again, this is a full year view. If you remove China, then you're in that kind of 7% to 8% kind of range. So I don't like doing that, Matt, because China is part of our business. But you'll see an acceleration even with China just because it's a little bit more stable versus where it was last year.
Speaker #2: And if you remove China again, this is a full year view. If you remove China, then you're in those you're in that kind of 7 to 8 percent kind of range.
Speaker #2: So I don't like doing that, Matt, because China is part of our business. But you'll see an acceleration, even with China, just because it's a little bit more stable versus where it was last year.
Speaker #5: Great, thanks. And maybe I can just ask a follow-up on diabetes. You talked about some optimism for the outlook for the market, and specifically around the non-insulin type 2 coverage.
Matthew Stephan Miksic: Great. Thanks. Maybe I can just ask a follow-up on diabetes. You talked about some optimism for the outlook for the market and specifically around the non-insulin type 2 coverage. We've seen the guidelines change. So I definitely see a potential for that coverage to expand significantly. You mentioned you've seen some progress in the process. I guess I was wondering how you think that could play out in the first half of the year, what forms the new coverage could take, or any other thoughts that you had on that?
Matt Taylor: Great. Thanks. Maybe I can just ask a follow-up on diabetes. You talked about some optimism for the outlook for the market and specifically around the non-insulin type 2 coverage. We've seen the guidelines change. So I definitely see a potential for that coverage to expand significantly. You mentioned you've seen some progress in the process. I guess I was wondering how you think that could play out in the first half of the year, what forms the new coverage could take, or any other thoughts that you had on that?
Speaker #5: We've seen the guidelines change, and so I definitely see a potential for that coverage to expand significantly. You mentioned you've seen some progress in the process.
Speaker #5: And I guess I was wondering how you think that could play out in the first half of the year. What forms the new coverage could take, or any other thoughts that you had on…
Speaker #5: that?
Speaker #2: I don't want to get ahead of
Robert Ford: I don't want to get ahead of myself. What I can tell you is, listen, there's definitely support. There's support from the ADA. There's support from other physician groups, okay? And there's support because the clinical data is backing that support up, right? I mentioned that we've got three studies that we did with that patient segment, and it shows this improved A1C and this better time and range. So I think the support is backed up by clinical evidence. And you've got a US HHS and CMS that sees the value of this type of technology, sees the value of being proactive in managing your health, even if you're not taking medications or you're not taking insulin. Bringing this type of technology improves outcomes. So you have a receptive CMS, let's call it like that.
Robert Ford: I don't want to get ahead of myself. What I can tell you is, listen, there's definitely support. There's support from the ADA. There's support from other physician groups, okay? And there's support because the clinical data is backing that support up, right? I mentioned that we've got three studies that we did with that patient segment, and it shows this improved A1C and this better time and range. So I think the support is backed up by clinical evidence. And you've got a US HHS and CMS that sees the value of this type of technology, sees the value of being proactive in managing your health, even if you're not taking medications or you're not taking insulin. Bringing this type of technology improves outcomes. So you have a receptive CMS, let's call it like that.
Speaker #2: What I can tell you is, listen, there's definitely support. There's support from the ADA, there's support from other physician groups, okay? And there's support because the clinical data is backing that support up, right?
Speaker #2: I mentioned that we've got three studies that we did with that patient segment, and it shows improved A1C and better time in range.
Speaker #2: So I think the support is backed up by clinical evidence, and you've got a US HHS and CMS that see the value of this type of technology—see the value of being proactive in managing your health, even if you're not taking medications or you're not taking insulin. Bringing this type of technology improves outcomes.
Speaker #2: So, you have a receptive CMS—let's call it that. Like I said, I think you're going to see some sort of language first half, okay?
Robert Ford: Like I said, I think you're going to see some sort of language, Matt, first half, okay? But I know how these things go. We've gone through them so many different times at different parts of the product. Language will come out. Then there'll be a 90-day comment period, and then there'll be a 60-day period to be able to evaluate it. And right now, could that be a different process? There could be a different process. It could be a much shorter comment period. It could be a much shorter implementation timeline because there is this support and desire to bring this to more people. But like I said, I'm not going to bake that in. I'm not going to bake that in just yet. But I am being prepared. I mean, the team is prepared. I mean, if it happened next week, I tell you they'd be prepared.
Like I said, I think you're going to see some sort of language, Matt, first half, okay? But I know how these things go. We've gone through them so many different times at different parts of the product. Language will come out. Then there'll be a 90-day comment period, and then there'll be a 60-day period to be able to evaluate it. And right now, could that be a different process? There could be a different process. It could be a much shorter comment period. It could be a much shorter implementation timeline because there is this support and desire to bring this to more people. But like I said, I'm not going to bake that in. I'm not going to bake that in just yet. But I am being prepared. I mean, the team is prepared. I mean, if it happened next week, I tell you they'd be prepared.
Speaker #2: But I know how these things go. We've gone through them so many different times at different parts of the product. Language will come out, then there'll be a 90-day comment period, and then there'll be a 60-day period to be able to evaluate it.
Speaker #2: And right now, could that be process? It could be a much different process. There could be a different, shorter comment period. It could be a much shorter implementation timeline.
Speaker #2: Because there is this support and desire to bring this to more people. But like I said, I'm not going to bake that in. I'm not going to bake that in just yet.
Speaker #2: But I am being prepared. I mean, the team is prepared. I mean, if it happened next week, I tell you, they'd be prepared. So we're doing a lot of work there.
Robert Ford: So we're doing a lot of work there. I think the key aspect as you think about that expansion is that it's going to happen predominantly in primary care. So how well are you set up? How well is your sales force deployed? How well is your integration into the healthcare systems with Epic and other? So that's going to be an important part. And outside of that, I think we should just be, I think, very enthused. I'm very enthusiastic that this will happen. Whether it happens in Q2, Q3, for me, I'm thinking about this. This is going to be a huge opportunity for this market, not just in the US, but globally for years and years to come. So let's just get it right.
So we're doing a lot of work there. I think the key aspect as you think about that expansion is that it's going to happen predominantly in primary care. So how well are you set up? How well is your sales force deployed? How well is your integration into the healthcare systems with Epic and other? So that's going to be an important part. And outside of that, I think we should just be, I think, very enthused. I'm very enthusiastic that this will happen. Whether it happens in Q2, Q3, for me, I'm thinking about this. This is going to be a huge opportunity for this market, not just in the US, but globally for years and years to come. So let's just get it right.
Speaker #2: I think the key aspect, as you think about that expansion, is that it's going to happen predominantly in primary care. So, how well are you set up?
Speaker #2: How well is your sales force deployed? How well is your integration into the healthcare systems with Epic and others? So that's going to be an important part.
Speaker #2: And outside of that, I think we should just be, I think, very enthused. I'm very enthusiastic that this will happen. Whether it happens in the second quarter, the third quarter—for me, I'm thinking about this.
Speaker #2: This is going to be a huge opportunity for this market, not just in the U.S., but globally, for years and years to come. So, let's just get it.
Speaker #2: right. Great.
Speaker #5: Thanks so much. Thank
Matthew Stephan Miksic: Great. Thanks so much. Thank you.
Matt Taylor: Great. Thanks so much. Thank you.
Speaker #5: you. Thank
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question will come from Travis Steed from BofA Securities.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Travis Steed from Bank of America Securities. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Travis Steed from Bank of America Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: Your line is open. Hey,
Speaker #6: Thanks for taking the question. Maybe we could spend some time talking about, in med tech, kind of the macro procedure environment, given some of the worries on ACA subsidies.
Travis Lee Steed: Hey, thanks for taking the question. Maybe to spend some time talking about in med tech, kind of the macro procedure environment, given some of the worries on ATA subsidies. Then I'll just go ahead and throw my second question out. When you think about, for total Abbott and growth over 2026, should we think about more Q1 first half being more in line with kind of the Q4 growth and then improve from there over the second half?
Travis Steed: Hey, thanks for taking the question. Maybe to spend some time talking about in med tech, kind of the macro procedure environment, given some of the worries on ATA subsidies. Then I'll just go ahead and throw my second question out. When you think about, for total Abbott and growth over 2026, should we think about more Q1 first half being more in line with kind of the Q4 growth and then improve from there over the second half?
Speaker #6: And then I'll just go ahead and throw my second question out. When you think about total lab and growth over 2026, should we think about more Q1, first half being more in line with kind of the Q4 growth, and then improve from there over the second half?
Speaker #6: half? Yeah.
Speaker #2: So yeah, I think that's probably—I think that's probably good. I mean, I think sometimes these puts and takes, it kind of just masks—sometimes it feels like you're better than what you are because you're lapping something.
Robert Ford: Yeah. So yeah, I think that's probably good. I mean, I think sometimes these puts and takes, it kind of just masks. Sometimes it feels like you're better than what you are because you're lapping something. So I tend to look at it also on a two-year stack basis. So if you look at it at a two-year stack basis, it looks pretty; there's some acceleration in Q3 and Q4, but not to the extent without just on a one-year basis. But I think that's a right way to look at it. Obviously, we're always striving to do better, but I think that's a good starting point. What was your other question on med tech volumes?
Robert Ford: Yeah. So yeah, I think that's probably good. I mean, I think sometimes these puts and takes, it kind of just masks. Sometimes it feels like you're better than what you are because you're lapping something. So I tend to look at it also on a two-year stack basis. So if you look at it at a two-year stack basis, it looks pretty; there's some acceleration in Q3 and Q4, but not to the extent without just on a one-year basis. But I think that's a right way to look at it. Obviously, we're always striving to do better, but I think that's a good starting point. What was your other question on med tech volumes?
Speaker #2: So, I tend to look at it also on a two-year stack basis. So, if you look at it on a two-year stack basis, it looks pretty—there's some acceleration.
Speaker #2: In Q3 and Q4, but not to the extent—without just on a one-year basis. But I think that's the right way to look at it.
Speaker #2: Obviously, we're always striving to do better, but I think that's a good starting point. What was your other question on med tech volumes?
Speaker #2: Obviously, we're always striving to do better, but I think that's a good starting point. What was your other question on med tech volumes? Listen, yeah.
Travis Lee Steed: Yeah.
Travis Steed: Yeah.
Speaker #2: I think I read some report that there were some concerns about med tech volumes in Q4. We just reported our Q4. You're going to have a bunch of med tech companies that will report over the next couple of weeks.
Robert Ford: Listen, I think I read some report that there were some concerns about med tech volumes in Q4. We just reported our Q4. You're going to have a bunch of med tech companies that will report over the next couple of weeks. I would be extremely surprised if you hear that volumes were short in Q4. Our volumes are really good in Q4 across all of our categories, even what is considered, what we call, more foundational or traditionally more slower growth kind of segment. So I think the evidence on our print and our guide is not suggesting that the med tech volumes are slowing.
Robert Ford: Listen, I think I read some report that there were some concerns about med tech volumes in Q4. We just reported our Q4. You're going to have a bunch of med tech companies that will report over the next couple of weeks. I would be extremely surprised if you hear that volumes were short in Q4. Our volumes are really good in Q4 across all of our categories, even what is considered, what we call, more foundational or traditionally more slower growth kind of segment. So I think the evidence on our print and our guide is not suggesting that the med tech volumes are slowing.
Speaker #2: I would be extremely surprised if you hear that volumes were short in Q4. Our volumes are really good in Q4 across all of our across all of our categories, even what is considered what we call more foundational or traditionally more slower growth kind of segments.
Speaker #2: So, I think the evidence on our print and our guide is not suggesting that the med tech volumes are slowing. And I think there continues to be, given the innovation that's happening in the space, given the clinical evidence that's being generated with that innovation, I still see this as a very attractive segment—not just for this year, next quarter, but for many, many years to come. So.
Robert Ford: I think there continues to be, given the innovation that's happening in the space, given the clinical evidence that's being generated with that innovation, I still see this as a very attractive segment, not just for this year or the next quarter, but for many, many years to come, so.
I think there continues to be, given the innovation that's happening in the space, given the clinical evidence that's being generated with that innovation, I still see this as a very attractive segment, not just for this year or the next quarter, but for many, many years to come, so.
Speaker #6: Great. Thanks a lot.
Matthew Stephan Miksic: Great. Thanks a lot.
Matt Taylor: Great. Thanks a lot.
Speaker #2: Yep. Thank
Robert Ford: Yep.
Robert Ford: Yep.
Speaker #1: You. Our next question will come from Joanne Wunch from Citi. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Joanne Wuensch from Citi. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Joanne Wuensch from Citi. Your line is open.
Speaker #7: Good morning, and thank you for taking the question. I think I'm allowed to still say happy new year, too.
Joanne Wuensch: Good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I think I'm allowed to still say Happy New Year. Two questions.
Joanne Wuensch: Good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I think I'm allowed to still say Happy New Year. Two questions.
Speaker #7: Questions are popping right on. Thank you. Please do. I'll put them right up front. EPD is sort of held up there in the high single digits pretty consistently.
Robert Ford: Good morning.
Robert Ford: Good morning.
Joanne Wuensch: I'll put them right on. Thank you. I'll put them right up front. EPD has sort of held up there in high single digits pretty consistently. But the macro landscape is getting a little bit more complicated as we sit still here. I'd be curious if you see anything that we need to sort of be aware of over the next 12, maybe 12 to 18 months. And then my second question has to do with structural heart. It looks like your multiple products, we'll call them multiple shots on goal, is keeping that growth rate going nicely. Anything you want to call out in particular or anything we should be looking at for the upcoming medical meetings? Thanks.
Joanne Wuensch: I'll put them right on. Thank you. I'll put them right up front. EPD has sort of held up there in high single digits pretty consistently. But the macro landscape is getting a little bit more complicated as we sit still here. I'd be curious if you see anything that we need to sort of be aware of over the next 12, maybe 12 to 18 months. And then my second question has to do with structural heart. It looks like your multiple products, we'll call them multiple shots on goal, is keeping that growth rate going nicely. Anything you want to call out in particular or anything we should be looking at for the upcoming medical meetings? Thanks.
Speaker #7: But the macro landscape is getting a little bit more complicated as we sit still here. I'd be curious if you see anything that we need to sort of be aware of over the next 12, maybe 12 to 18 months?
Speaker #7: And then my second question has to do with Structural Heart. It looks like your multiple products—we'll call them multiple shots on goal—are keeping that growth rate going nicely.
Speaker #7: Is there anything you want to call out in particular, or anything we should be looking at for the upcoming medical meetings?
Speaker #7: Thanks. Sure.
Robert Ford: Sure. Regarding EPD, yeah, I mean, I think this team is incredibly resilient. And I get that there's some concern about geopolitics going forward, but let's face it, Joanne, I mean, there's been macro challenges, at least since I've been in this role for the last five years. And so yes, we've got to pay attention to them. Yes, we've got to navigate. But I'm going to rely heavily on a team that has shown that they can actually do that and do that in pretty difficult circumstances already and continue to be able to drive the business in that 7%, 8%, 9% range here. So yeah, we've got to be mindful of it. But this is a team that, at least in these markets, have proved to be very resilient, have deep connections in the market, deep relationships, clinical distribution-wise.
Robert Ford: Sure. Regarding EPD, yeah, I mean, I think this team is incredibly resilient. And I get that there's some concern about geopolitics going forward, but let's face it, Joanne, I mean, there's been macro challenges, at least since I've been in this role for the last five years. And so yes, we've got to pay attention to them. Yes, we've got to navigate. But I'm going to rely heavily on a team that has shown that they can actually do that and do that in pretty difficult circumstances already and continue to be able to drive the business in that 7%, 8%, 9% range here. So yeah, we've got to be mindful of it. But this is a team that, at least in these markets, have proved to be very resilient, have deep connections in the market, deep relationships, clinical distribution-wise.
Speaker #2: Regarding EPD, yeah, I mean, I think this team is, this team is incredibly resilient. And I get that there are some concerns about geopolitics going forward, but let's face it, Joanne, I mean, there's been macro challenges at least since I've been in this role for the last five years.
Speaker #2: And so yes, we've got to pay attention to them. Yes, we've got to navigate. But I'm going to rely heavily on a team that has shown that they can actually do that, and do that in pretty difficult circumstances already, and continue to be able to drive the business in that 7%, 8%, 9% range here.
Speaker #2: So yeah, we've got to be mindful of it, but this is a team that, at least in these markets, has proved to be very resilient.
Speaker #2: Have deep connections in the market, deep relationships, clinical distribution-wise.
Speaker #1: So, and now that we're bringing our biosimilar portfolio into these markets, biosimilars are now the fastest-growing generic kind of segment.
Robert Ford: Now that we're bringing our biosimilar portfolio into these markets, biosimilars are now the fastest-growing generic kind of segment. I feel good about this business. I think the idea of bringing this differentiated portfolio into a team that has done extremely well in navigating all of this, I think we've got also strong aspirations for this business. So yeah, we'll keep an eye on out. But I don't think that it's something completely new for us or this business. We operate in 160 countries. We're truly a global company. So we will have to figure it out, so. Then I think your question on structural heart, yeah, I mean, this is an area that we've invested heavily over the last couple of years. We've developed what I would consider best-in-class portfolio across all three valves.
Now that we're bringing our biosimilar portfolio into these markets, biosimilars are now the fastest-growing generic kind of segment. I feel good about this business. I think the idea of bringing this differentiated portfolio into a team that has done extremely well in navigating all of this, I think we've got also strong aspirations for this business. So yeah, we'll keep an eye on out. But I don't think that it's something completely new for us or this business. We operate in 160 countries. We're truly a global company. So we will have to figure it out, so. Then I think your question on structural heart, yeah, I mean, this is an area that we've invested heavily over the last couple of years. We've developed what I would consider best-in-class portfolio across all three valves.
Speaker #1: I feel the fastest growing generic kind of segment . I feel good about this business . I think , you know , the idea of bringing this differentiated portfolio into a team that has done extremely well in navigating all of this .
Speaker #1: I think we've got , you know , also strong , strong aspirations for this business . So , yeah , we'll keep an eye on out .
Speaker #1: But I don't I don't think , you that know , it's something completely new for , for us or this business . We operate in 160 countries .
Speaker #1: We're truly a global company . So we will , we will we will have to figure it out . So and then I think your question on structural heart .
Speaker #1: Yeah , I mean this is an area that we've invested heavily over the last couple of years . We've developed a what I would consider a best in class portfolio across all three valves .
Robert Ford: And I think we've got a lot of upcoming growth catalysts that will move its way through. I think we've got great new products with Navitor, TriClip, Amulet. Most of these on the early are, I believe, still in their early cycle. You guys always would ask me about when will MitraClip grow or get back to growth. I just clearly say we did double-digit growth in MitraClip. I think that's a result of some of the guideline changes that we're seeing and kind of reigniting some of the growth here in the US. But we've got a lot of opportunity. We've got a lot of things going on in this business. We had label expansions in Navitor and MitraClip. We've got a next-generation repair technology coming out with both MitraClip and TriClip, our fifth generation. I mentioned guideline changes to MitraClip and TriClip.
And I think we've got a lot of upcoming growth catalysts that will move its way through. I think we've got great new products with Navitor, TriClip, Amulet. Most of these on the early are, I believe, still in their early cycle. You guys always would ask me about when will MitraClip grow or get back to growth. I just clearly say we did double-digit growth in MitraClip. I think that's a result of some of the guideline changes that we're seeing and kind of reigniting some of the growth here in the US. But we've got a lot of opportunity. We've got a lot of things going on in this business. We had label expansions in Navitor and MitraClip. We've got a next-generation repair technology coming out with both MitraClip and TriClip, our fifth generation. I mentioned guideline changes to MitraClip and TriClip.
Speaker #1: And I think we've got a lot of upcoming , you know , upcoming growth catalyst that will that will move its way through .
Speaker #1: I think they've got great new products at Narvik Amulet. Most of these on the early R, I believe, are still in their early cycle.
Speaker #1: You know , you guys always would ask me about like when will Mitraclip grow ? We'll get back to growth . I just clearly say we did double digit growth in Mitraclip .
Speaker #1: I think that's a result of some of the guidance, some of the guideline changes that we're seeing, kind of reigniting some of the growth here in the US.
Speaker #1: But you got a lot of we got a lot of opportunities , got a lot of things going on in this business . We had label expansions in Navitor and Mitraclip got a next generation repair technology coming out with both Mitraclip and and our fifth generation , I mentioned guideline changes to Mitraclip and tri clip .
Robert Ford: That's having an impact. We just got approval, or we got approval for TriClip in Japan. That's a whole new market for us that we see a huge opportunity, a big opportunity for us. We're launching that as we speak in Q1. We've done some bolt-on M&A in this business. I think I mentioned this last time. We acquired a company called LauLabs, which is an AI-powered imaging interventional cardiology company. We're integrating that into our product offerings now for pre-procedure planning. So I think that's going to help also since imaging is such an important part in these procedures. The pipeline looks really good too. We've got our next-generation Amulet. Expect to be launching that beginning of next year. We're going to go into trial, into our ID trial with our balloon tower in the second half of this year.
That's having an impact. We just got approval, or we got approval for TriClip in Japan. That's a whole new market for us that we see a huge opportunity, a big opportunity for us. We're launching that as we speak in Q1. We've done some bolt-on M&A in this business. I think I mentioned this last time. We acquired a company called LauLabs, which is an AI-powered imaging interventional cardiology company. We're integrating that into our product offerings now for pre-procedure planning. So I think that's going to help also since imaging is such an important part in these procedures. The pipeline looks really good too. We've got our next-generation Amulet. Expect to be launching that beginning of next year. We're going to go into trial, into our ID trial with our balloon tower in the second half of this year.
Speaker #1: That's having an impact. We just got approval, or we got approval, for CLIP in Japan. That's a whole new market for us that we see as a huge opportunity—a big opportunity for us.
Speaker #1: And we're launching that as we speak in Q1 . We've done some bolt on M&A in this business . I think I mentioned this last time we we acquired a company called LA lab , which is an AI powered imaging interventional cardiology company .
Speaker #1: That's we're integrating that into our product offerings . Now for pre pre-procedure planning . So I think that's going to help . Also , since imaging is such an important part in these procedures .
Speaker #1: And then the pipeline looks really good too. We've got our next-generation Amulet. Expect to be launching that beginning of next year.
Speaker #1: We're going to go into trial, into our IDE trial with our balloon TAVR in the second half of this year. So again, as I'm thinking about it, I know what's going to launch in 2027.
Robert Ford: So again, as I'm thinking about, I know what's going to launch in 2027, and I know the impact that those launches are going to have in terms of our growth rate. We're building our pipeline to be able to ensure that we can sustain that growth in 2028. I look at this balloon tower program as really being important to do that. Then we're also going to start an ID trial for our femoral transseptal mitral valve replacement program too, which I think is going to be best in class. So I think this team has got not only an incredible pipeline to work with, but we've also been making the investments on the clinical side, clinical teams, sales reps across the world. So I think we're well positioned in our structural heart business.
So again, as I'm thinking about, I know what's going to launch in 2027, and I know the impact that those launches are going to have in terms of our growth rate. We're building our pipeline to be able to ensure that we can sustain that growth in 2028. I look at this balloon tower program as really being important to do that. Then we're also going to start an ID trial for our femoral transseptal mitral valve replacement program too, which I think is going to be best in class. So I think this team has got not only an incredible pipeline to work with, but we've also been making the investments on the clinical side, clinical teams, sales reps across the world. So I think we're well positioned in our structural heart business.
Speaker #1: And I know the impact that those launches are going to have in terms of our growth rate. And we're building our pipeline to be able to ensure that we can sustain that growth in 2028.
Speaker #1: And I look at this balloon TAVR program as really being important to do that . And then we're also going to start our ID trial for our Transfemoral transseptal valve mitral replacement program , too , which is which I think is going to be best in class .
Speaker #1: So this team I think has got not only an incredible pipeline to work with , but we've also been making the investments on the on the clinical side , clinical , clinical teams , sales reps across the world .
Speaker #1: So, I think we're well positioned in our Structural Heart business.
[Company Representative] (Abbott Laboratories): Crystal, we'll take one more question, please.
Mike Comilla: Crystal, we'll take one more question, please.
Operator: Thank you. And our last question will come from Josh Jennings from TD Cowen. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. And our last question will come from Josh Jennings from TD Cowen. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: Cristela, we'll take one more, please.
Speaker #3: Thank you. And our last question will come from Jennings Josh from TD Cowan. Your line is open.
Joshua Thomas Jennings: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Just keep it to one on capital allocation. Sorry to circle back. I think the focus for your team, Robert, has been to kind of look at inorganic adds for the devices and diagnostics franchises that played out with the Exact Sciences acquisition. I mean, should we be thinking that that remains the focus, or is the nutrition recovery? Can that business get back to mid-single-digit growth without any business of external business development initiatives? Thanks for taking the question.
Joshua Jennings: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Just keep it to one on capital allocation. Sorry to circle back. I think the focus for your team, Robert, has been to kind of look at inorganic adds for the devices and diagnostics franchises that played out with the Exact Sciences acquisition. I mean, should we be thinking that that remains the focus, or is the nutrition recovery? Can that business get back to mid-single-digit growth without any business of external business development initiatives? Thanks for taking the question.
Speaker #4: Good Hi . morning . Thanks for taking the questions . Just keep it to one on capital allocation . Sorry to circle back , but I think the focus for your team , Robert , has been to kind of look at inorganic ads for the devices .
Speaker #4: And diagnostics franchises that played out in with the exact acquisition . I mean , is should we be thinking that that remains the focus or is the nutrition recovery ?
Speaker #4: Can you say that business can get back to mid-single-digit growth without any external business development initiatives? Thanks for taking the question.
Robert Ford: Sure. Yeah. Listen, I'd say the capital allocation regarding M&A and kind of our focus is going to be in those two areas, right? Med tech and diagnostics is where we see an opportunity. I don't consider a need for inorganic in our nutrition business to execute the strategy that I just described, which is to place a lot more emphasis on volume growth. I think we've got the right products, the right brands, and the right teams in place to be able to kind of do that. I think the biggest investment that we're making is we're seeing the impact of that now, which is addressing kind of price points, and doing it comprehensively across the world so that we can get everything kind of reignited back to volume growth. So I'd say that's the focus is med tech and diagnostics. So I don't think anything changes there, so.
Robert Ford: Sure. Yeah. Listen, I'd say the capital allocation regarding M&A and kind of our focus is going to be in those two areas, right? Med tech and diagnostics is where we see an opportunity. I don't consider a need for inorganic in our nutrition business to execute the strategy that I just described, which is to place a lot more emphasis on volume growth. I think we've got the right products, the right brands, and the right teams in place to be able to kind of do that. I think the biggest investment that we're making is we're seeing the impact of that now, which is addressing kind of price points, and doing it comprehensively across the world so that we can get everything kind of reignited back to volume growth. So I'd say that's the focus is med tech and diagnostics. So I don't think anything changes there, so.
Speaker #1: Yeah . Sure . Listen , capital I'd say the allocation regarding M&A and kind of our focus is , is , you know , is going to be in those two areas , right ?
Speaker #1: MedTech where we diagnostics is see is where we see an opportunity . I don't I don't consider a need for inorganic in , you know , in our nutrition business to , to execute the strategy that I just described , which is place a to lot more emphasis on volume growth .
Speaker #1: I think we've got the right products , the right brands and the right teams in place to be able to kind of do that .
Speaker #1: We think the biggest investment that we're making is , is we're seeing the impact of that now , is , which you know , addressing kind of , you know , price points and doing it comprehensively across the world so that we , you know , we can get everything kind of reignited back to volume growth .
Speaker #1: So say I'd the that's that's focus is medtech . And and diagnostics . So I don't think I don't think anything changes there .
Robert Ford: I'll just close here with a few comments. Listen, I think we delivered a pretty strong year in 2025. Obviously, there were challenges. There will always be challenges. We delivered on our original EPS target of double-digit, healthy margin expansion. I think I've spent some time on this call talking about our pipeline and how we think about our pipeline and ensuring that we have a nice cadence of pipeline going forward, not just what we're launching this year, but what we're investing in this year so that we can be ready to launch in 2027 and 2028. So I think the pipeline has been very productive. And we took a very important strategic step to shape Abbott for the future with the announcement of the Exact Sciences acquisition. I think that's going to add a whole new growth vertical for Abbott.
I'll just close here with a few comments. Listen, I think we delivered a pretty strong year in 2025. Obviously, there were challenges. There will always be challenges. We delivered on our original EPS target of double-digit, healthy margin expansion. I think I've spent some time on this call talking about our pipeline and how we think about our pipeline and ensuring that we have a nice cadence of pipeline going forward, not just what we're launching this year, but what we're investing in this year so that we can be ready to launch in 2027 and 2028. So I think the pipeline has been very productive. And we took a very important strategic step to shape Abbott for the future with the announcement of the Exact Sciences acquisition. I think that's going to add a whole new growth vertical for Abbott.
Speaker #1: So I'll just I'll just close here with a a few few comments . Listen we've got I think we delivered a pretty strong year in 2025 .
Speaker #1: Obviously there were challenges . There will always be challenges . We delivered on our original EPs target of of double digit healthy margin expansion .
Speaker #1: I think I've spent on this call some time talking about our pipeline and how we think about our pipeline and and and ensuring that we have a nice cadence of , of pipeline going forward , not just what we're launching this year , but what we're investing in in this year so that we can be ready to launch in 27 and 28 .
Speaker #1: I think the So I think pipeline has been very productive , and we took a very important strategic step to shape Abbott for the future with the announcement of the exact science acquisition .
Robert Ford: I think that cancer diagnostics is going to be a very important clinical and medical need for society, for global society. So I think we're going to be well positioned there. I feel good about the timing and everything that we put in place there. So as we transition to 2026, I think I highlighted here, we've got a lot of businesses that are going to sustain what I would consider pretty differentiated growth rates, high single digits, teens. We can support those with the investments we made and the product launches that we've got. Then we've got some large businesses that are going to be having some inflection points and some acceleration, whether it's Core Lab or even our electrophysiology business here. I feel good about what we've got put in what we've laid out here in terms of our plan.
Speaker #1: I think that's going to add a whole new growth vertical for Abbott. And I think that cancer diagnostics is going to be a very important clinical and medical need for society, for global society.
I think that cancer diagnostics is going to be a very important clinical and medical need for society, for global society. So I think we're going to be well positioned there. I feel good about the timing and everything that we put in place there. So as we transition to 2026, I think I highlighted here, we've got a lot of businesses that are going to sustain what I would consider pretty differentiated growth rates, high single digits, teens. We can support those with the investments we made and the product launches that we've got. Then we've got some large businesses that are going to be having some inflection points and some acceleration, whether it's Core Lab or even our electrophysiology business here. I feel good about what we've got put in what we've laid out here in terms of our plan.
Speaker #1: So I think we're going to be well positioned there . And I feel good about the timing and and everything that we put in place there .
Speaker #1: So as we transition to 2026, you know, I think I highlighted here we've got a lot of businesses that are going to sustain what I would consider pretty differentiated growth rates.
Speaker #1: High single digits , teens . And we can support those with the investments we made and the product launches that we've got . And then we've got some large businesses that are going to have some inflection and points some acceleration , whether it's core lab or or even our electrophysiology business here .
Speaker #1: So I feel good about what we've got . Put in , what we've laid out here in terms of our plan . Obviously we we strive to do better than that .
Robert Ford: Obviously, we strive to do better than that, and there's opportunities to do better than that. But I think as we sit here in January, this is a good starting point. And with that, I'll wrap up. And thank you for joining us.
Obviously, we strive to do better than that, and there's opportunities to do better than that. But I think as we sit here in January, this is a good starting point. And with that, I'll wrap up. And thank you for joining us.
Speaker #1: And there's opportunities to do better than that . But I think as we sit here in January , this is a this is a good starting point .
Speaker #1: And with that , I'll wrap up and thank you for joining us .
[Company Representative] (Abbott Laboratories): Thank you all for your questions. This now concludes Abbott's conference call. A webcast replay of this call will be available after 11:00AM Central Time today on our website, abbott.com. Thank you for joining us today.
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