Q4 2025 Triple Flag Precious Metals Corp Earnings Call
Desiree: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Triple Flag Precious Metals Fourth Quarter 2025 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw a question again, press the star 1. I would now like to turn the conference over to Sheldon Vanderkooy, CEO. You may begin.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Triple Flag Precious Metals Fourth Quarter 2025 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw a question again, press the star 1. I would now like to turn the conference over to Sheldon Vanderkooy, CEO. You may begin.
Speaker #2: My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Triple Flag Precious Metals Fourth Quarter 2025 conference call.
Speaker #2: All lines have you please unmute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #2: If you would like to withdraw a question again, press the star 1. I would now like to turn the conference over to Sheldon Vanderkooy, CEO.
Speaker #2: You may begin. Thank you, Desiree. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Triple Flag's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 results.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thank you, Desiree. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Triple Flag's Q4 and full year 2025 results. Today I'm joined by our Chief Financial Officer, Eban Bari, and Chief Operating Officer, James Dendle. Triple Flag had an outstanding year in 2025, and is extremely well-positioned in 2026. We finished the year strong in Q4, resulting in record performance for full year 2025. We achieved record production of 113,000 GEOs. This was in the upper half of our guidance range and is the ninth consecutive year-over-year increase. Higher production and higher gold prices translated into record cash flow. Cash flow per share was $1.54 per share, a 45% increase from 2024.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thank you, Desiree. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Triple Flag's Q4 and full year 2025 results. Today I'm joined by our Chief Financial Officer, Eban Bari, and Chief Operating Officer, James Dendle. Triple Flag had an outstanding year in 2025, and is extremely well-positioned in 2026. We finished the year strong in Q4, resulting in record performance for full year 2025. We achieved record production of 113,000 GEOs. This was in the upper half of our guidance range and is the ninth consecutive year-over-year increase. Higher production and higher gold prices translated into record cash flow. Cash flow per share was $1.54 per share, a 45% increase from 2024.
Speaker #2: Today, I am joined by our Chief Financial Officer, Eban Bari, and Chief Operating Officer, James Dendle. Triple Flag had an outstanding year in 2025, and it is extremely well positioned in 2026.
Speaker #2: We finished the year strong in Q4, resulting in record performance for full year 2025. We achieved record production of 113,000 GEOs, this was in the upper half of our guidance range, and is the ninth consecutive year-over-year increase.
Speaker #2: Higher production and higher gold prices translated into record cash flow. Cash flow per share was $1.54 per share, a 45% increase from 2024, the model is working as it is intended, directly translating higher gold prices into rising cash flow per share.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: The model is working as it is intended, directly translating higher gold prices into rising cash flow per share. We continue to benefit from rising prices in 2026. In Q4, the average gold price was $4,135 an ounce, well below current spot prices of just under $5,000 per ounce. Moving ahead to 2026, our guidance range is 95,000 to 105,000 GEOs, which reflects the well-understood mine sequencing at Northparkes. It also reflects the planned step down in the Cerro Lindo stream rate, following the successful delivery of 19.5 million ounces of silver since we acquired the stream in 2016. That was Triple Flag's first investment. We continue to see a long life ahead for Cerro Lindo, with strong exploration potential as well as exposure to the silver price going forward.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: The model is working as it is intended, directly translating higher gold prices into rising cash flow per share. We continue to benefit from rising prices in 2026. In Q4, the average gold price was $4,135 an ounce, well below current spot prices of just under $5,000 per ounce. Moving ahead to 2026, our guidance range is 95,000 to 105,000 GEOs, which reflects the well-understood mine sequencing at Northparkes. It also reflects the planned step down in the Cerro Lindo stream rate, following the successful delivery of 19.5 million ounces of silver since we acquired the stream in 2016. That was Triple Flag's first investment. We continue to see a long life ahead for Cerro Lindo, with strong exploration potential as well as exposure to the silver price going forward.
Speaker #2: We continue to benefit from rising prices in 2026. In Q4, the average gold price was $4,135 an ounce, well below current spot prices of just under $5,000 per ounce.
Speaker #2: Moving ahead to 2026, our guidance range is $95,000 to $105,000 GEOs, which reflects the well-understood mine sequencing at North Parks, it also reflects the planned step down in the Sarylindo stream rate following the successful delivery of 19.5 million ounces of silver since we acquired the stream in 2016.
Speaker #2: That was Triple Flag's first investment. We continue to see a long life ahead for Sarylindo, with strong exploration potential as well as exposure to the silver price going forward.
Speaker #2: Our portfolio has significant embedded growth. Our 2030 outlook is that production in 2030 will grow to between $140,000 to $150,000 GEOs. This is approximately a 45% growth from the midpoint of our 2026 guidance.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Our portfolio has significant embedded growth. Our 2030 outlook is that production in 2030 will grow to between 140,000 to 150,000 GEOs. This is approximately a 45% growth from the midpoint of our 2026 guidance. This is driven by multiple assets advancing through construction, permitting, and study stages, including Arcata, Kone, SK Creek, Aranzazu, and Goldfield. Importantly, it is not dependent on any one large project. Looking beyond 2030, we have meaningful GEO growth potential from a number of large-scale assets located in the best jurisdictions, Australia, the United States, and Canada. First, Hope Bay is located in northern Canada and Agnico has stated that it is progressing towards a construction decision, which is expected in May 2026. Second, Centerra released a positive PEA on Kemess, targeting potential production in 2031.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Our portfolio has significant embedded growth. Our 2030 outlook is that production in 2030 will grow to between 140,000 to 150,000 GEOs. This is approximately a 45% growth from the midpoint of our 2026 guidance. This is driven by multiple assets advancing through construction, permitting, and study stages, including Arcata, Kone, SK Creek, Aranzazu, and Goldfield. Importantly, it is not dependent on any one large project. Looking beyond 2030, we have meaningful GEO growth potential from a number of large-scale assets located in the best jurisdictions, Australia, the United States, and Canada. First, Hope Bay is located in northern Canada and Agnico has stated that it is progressing towards a construction decision, which is expected in May 2026. Second, Centerra released a positive PEA on Kemess, targeting potential production in 2031.
Speaker #2: This is driven by multiple assets advancing through construction, permitting, and study stages. Including our CADA, CONE, SK Creek, Era Dorada, and Goldfield. Importantly, it is not dependent on any one large project.
Speaker #2: Looking beyond 2030, we have meaningful GEO growth potential from a number of large-scale assets located in the BEST jurisdictions: Australia, the United States, and Canada.
Speaker #2: First, Hope Bay is located in Northern Canada and Hope and Inico has stated that it is progressing towards a construction decision which is expected in May of 2026.
Speaker #2: Second, Sentara released a positive PEA on CMES targeting potential production in 2031. CMES is located in British Columbia. Third is the Arthur Project in Nevada, where AngloGold is expected to imminently release a pre-feasibility study which I am quite eager to see.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Kemess is located in British Columbia. Third is the Arthur project in Nevada, where AngloGold is expected to imminently release a pre-feasibility study, which I am quite eager to see. Last, and most significantly, is our flagship asset, Northparkes, located in Australia, and which is clearly positioned as a significant growth asset for Triple Flag. I want to congratulate Lawrie Conway and the Evolution team for all the success they have had at Northparkes since they have acquired Northparkes. It is truly impressive. A week ago, Evolution released a significant update on Northparkes, which has three related catalysts for Triple Flag. First, Evolution approved the development of the E22 block cave. E22 has very attractive gold grades for Triple Flag, and block cave development is the value-maximizing approach for both Evolution and Triple Flag.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Kemess is located in British Columbia. Third is the Arthur project in Nevada, where AngloGold is expected to imminently release a pre-feasibility study, which I am quite eager to see. Last, and most significantly, is our flagship asset, Northparkes, located in Australia, and which is clearly positioned as a significant growth asset for Triple Flag. I want to congratulate Lawrie Conway and the Evolution team for all the success they have had at Northparkes since they have acquired Northparkes. It is truly impressive. A week ago, Evolution released a significant update on Northparkes, which has three related catalysts for Triple Flag. First, Evolution approved the development of the E22 block cave. E22 has very attractive gold grades for Triple Flag, and block cave development is the value-maximizing approach for both Evolution and Triple Flag.
Speaker #2: Last and most significantly, is our flagship asset North Parks, located in Australia and which is clearly positioned as a significant growth asset for Triple Flag.
Speaker #2: I want to congratulate Lori Conway and the Evolution team for all the success they have had at North Parks since they have acquired North Parks.
Speaker #2: It is truly impressive. A week ago, Evolution released a significant update on North Parks which has three related catalysts for Triple Flag. First, Evolution approved the development of the E22 block cave.
Speaker #2: E22 has very attractive gold grades for Triple Flag and block cave development is the value maximizing approach for both Evolution and Triple Flag. Second, Evolution has announced that it is studying expanding North Parks from the current 7.6 million tons per annum to 10 million tons per annum or potentially more.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Second, Evolution has announced that it is studying expanding Northparkes from the current 7.6 million tons per annum to 10 million tons per annum, or potentially more. There is tremendous demand for copper, and Northparkes has a very large resource, so the potential value creation of an expansion is clear. This could be very beneficial to the Triple Flag stream. And last, Evolution has identified a very attractive gold-only deposit on the property, named E44. We had constructive discussions with Lawrie, Kieran, and their team, and together we came to an agreement that will allow for the development of E44, which was previously not included in Evolution's life of mine plan at Northparkes. As part of that agreement, Triple Flag will receive guaranteed minimum deliveries from E44, starting in 2030.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Second, Evolution has announced that it is studying expanding Northparkes from the current 7.6 million tons per annum to 10 million tons per annum, or potentially more. There is tremendous demand for copper, and Northparkes has a very large resource, so the potential value creation of an expansion is clear. This could be very beneficial to the Triple Flag stream. And last, Evolution has identified a very attractive gold-only deposit on the property, named E44. We had constructive discussions with Lawrie, Kieran, and their team, and together we came to an agreement that will allow for the development of E44, which was previously not included in Evolution's life of mine plan at Northparkes. As part of that agreement, Triple Flag will receive guaranteed minimum deliveries from E44, starting in 2030.
Speaker #2: There is tremendous demand for copper and North Parks has a very large resource, so the potential value creation of an expansion is clear. This could be very beneficial to the Triple Flag stream.
Speaker #2: And last, Evolution has identified a very attractive gold-only deposit on the property named E44. We had constructive discussions with Lori and Kieran and their team, and together we came to an agreement that will allow for the development of E44, which was previously not included in Evolution's life-of-mine plan at North Parks.
Speaker #2: As part of that agreement, Triple Flag will receive guaranteed minimum deliveries from E44 starting in 2030. North Parks is a byproduct stream, so the potential to also benefit from primary gold deposits is a fantastic bonus for Triple Flag and its shareholders.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Northparkes is a byproduct stream, so the potential to also benefit from primary gold deposits is a fantastic bonus for Triple Flag and its shareholders. All of these factors together clearly position Northparkes as a growth asset for Triple Flag for the next decade to come. I'd also like to touch on our capital deployment in 2025. Triple Flag invested over $350 million in value accretive deals. This included the Arcata restart and ramp-up in Peru, the Arthur Oxide project in Nevada, the Johnson Camp mine that is ramping up in Arizona, and the Minera Florida producing mine in Chile. These transactions provide current and growing cash flow, or in the case of Arthur, represent exposure to a premier development project with a clear path to production and further exploration upside. Importantly, all of these assets are also located in mining-friendly jurisdictions.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Northparkes is a byproduct stream, so the potential to also benefit from primary gold deposits is a fantastic bonus for Triple Flag and its shareholders. All of these factors together clearly position Northparkes as a growth asset for Triple Flag for the next decade to come. I'd also like to touch on our capital deployment in 2025. Triple Flag invested over $350 million in value accretive deals. This included the Arcata restart and ramp-up in Peru, the Arthur Oxide project in Nevada, the Johnson Camp mine that is ramping up in Arizona, and the Minera Florida producing mine in Chile. These transactions provide current and growing cash flow, or in the case of Arthur, represent exposure to a premier development project with a clear path to production and further exploration upside. Importantly, all of these assets are also located in mining-friendly jurisdictions.
Speaker #2: Although these factors together clearly position North Parks as a growth asset for Triple Flag for the next decade to come. I'd also like to touch on our capital deployment in 2025.
Speaker #2: Triple Flag invested over $350 million in value accretive deals. This included the Arcata restart and ramp-up in Peru, the Arthur Oxide project in Nevada, the Johnson Camp mine that is ramping up in Arizona, and the Minera, Florida, producing mine in Chile.
Speaker #2: These transactions provide current and growing cash flow or, in the case of Arthur, represent exposure to a premier development project with a clear path to production and further exploration upside.
Speaker #2: Importantly, all of these assets are also located in mining-friendly jurisdictions. Overall, Triple Flag is exceptionally well positioned to deliver long-term and organic value for our shareholders from a diversified portfolio of producing and development assets across premier mining jurisdictions.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Overall, Triple Flag is exceptionally well-positioned to deliver long-term and organic value for our shareholders from a diversified portfolio of producing and development assets across premier mining jurisdictions. I will now turn it over to Eban to discuss our financial results for 2025.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Overall, Triple Flag is exceptionally well-positioned to deliver long-term and organic value for our shareholders from a diversified portfolio of producing and development assets across premier mining jurisdictions. I will now turn it over to Eban to discuss our financial results for 2025.
Speaker #2: I will now turn it over to Eban to discuss our financial results for 2025.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Sheldon. As you can see on the slide, 2025 was a record year across all financial metrics. Driven by strong GEOs and record precious metals prices.
Eban Bari: Thank you, Sheldon. As you can see on this slide, 2025 was a record year across all financial metrics, driven by strong GEOs and record precious metals prices. As Sheldon noted, these record prices have since been broken by new records, with spot gold and silver well above even the Q4 average. Operating cash flow per share, the single most important metric we focus on as management, increased 45% to $1.54 per share. This metric best reflects the underlying operating performance of our core streaming and royalty business. This strong cash flow generation continued to support all of our capital allocation priorities, given our high-margin business, including shareholder returns and external growth opportunities.
Eban Bari: Thank you, Sheldon. As you can see on this slide, 2025 was a record year across all financial metrics, driven by strong GEOs and record precious metals prices. As Sheldon noted, these record prices have since been broken by new records, with spot gold and silver well above even the Q4 average. Operating cash flow per share, the single most important metric we focus on as management, increased 45% to $1.54 per share. This metric best reflects the underlying operating performance of our core streaming and royalty business. This strong cash flow generation continued to support all of our capital allocation priorities, given our high-margin business, including shareholder returns and external growth opportunities.
Speaker #1: As Sheldon noted, these record prices have since been broken by new records with spot gold and silver well above even the Q4 average. Operating cash flow per share, the single most important metric we focus on as management, increased 45% to $1.54 per share.
Speaker #1: This metric, best reflects the underlying operating performance of our core streaming and royalty business. This strong cash flow generation continued to support all of our capital allocation priorities given our high margin business, including shareholder returns, and external growth opportunities.
Eban Bari: On shareholder returns, we paid out nearly $46 million in dividends to shareholders in 2025, which reflected a progressive 5% dividend increase in the middle of the year, our fourth consecutive increase since our IPO. In addition to our dividend, we were active and accretive on our share buyback during the year. In 2025, we bought back $9 million of our shares in open market at approximately $17.39 per share. We expect to remain active on our NCIB opportunistically going forward. On external growth front, as Sheldon mentioned, we reinvested over $350 million into new streams and royalties in 2025. Arcata, Arthur, Johnson Camp mine, and Minera Florida all provide either immediate or near to medium-term cash flow, significant exploration potential, and exposure to premier mining jurisdictions with strong operators.
Eban Bari: On shareholder returns, we paid out nearly $46 million in dividends to shareholders in 2025, which reflected a progressive 5% dividend increase in the middle of the year, our fourth consecutive increase since our IPO. In addition to our dividend, we were active and accretive on our share buyback during the year. In 2025, we bought back $9 million of our shares in open market at approximately $17.39 per share. We expect to remain active on our NCIB opportunistically going forward. On external growth front, as Sheldon mentioned, we reinvested over $350 million into new streams and royalties in 2025. Arcata, Arthur, Johnson Camp mine, and Minera Florida all provide either immediate or near to medium-term cash flow, significant exploration potential, and exposure to premier mining jurisdictions with strong operators.
Speaker #1: On shareholder returns, we paid out nearly $46 million in dividends to shareholders in 2025. Which reflected a progressive 5% dividend increase in the middle of the year.
Speaker #1: Our fourth consecutive increase since our IPO. In addition to our dividend, we were active and accretive on our share buyback during the year. In 2025, we bought back $9 million US of our shares in the open market at approximately $17.39 per share.
Speaker #1: We expect to remain active on our NCIB opportunistically going forward. On the external growth front, as Sheldon mentioned, we reinvested over $350 million into new streams and royalties in 2025.
Speaker #1: Our CADA, Arthur, Johnson Camp Mine, and Minera Florida all provide either immediate or near-to-medium-term cash flow. There is significant exploration potential and exposure to premier mining jurisdictions with strong operators.
Eban Bari: I'm pleased to highlight that even with this level of capital deployment and as a result of our strong cash flow generation, Triple Flag is debt-free at year-end, with more than $70 million in cash and $1 billion available on our credit facility. We remain well-positioned to deploying capital into transactions that are accretive, fit with our strategy, and deliver value throughout the cycle. Moving forward to 2026 guidance. As Sheldon noted, we expect GEOs of between 95,000 and 105,000 ounces for the year. We expect these GEOs to be all derived from gold and silver, and reflect a conservative gold to silver price ratio of 72 for the whole year, with a lower ratio assumed in the first half. Depletion is expected to be between $65 million and $75 million....
Eban Bari: I'm pleased to highlight that even with this level of capital deployment and as a result of our strong cash flow generation, Triple Flag is debt-free at year-end, with more than $70 million in cash and $1 billion available on our credit facility. We remain well-positioned to deploying capital into transactions that are accretive, fit with our strategy, and deliver value throughout the cycle. Moving forward to 2026 guidance. As Sheldon noted, we expect GEOs of between 95,000 and 105,000 ounces for the year. We expect these GEOs to be all derived from gold and silver, and reflect a conservative gold to silver price ratio of 72 for the whole year, with a lower ratio assumed in the first half. Depletion is expected to be between $65 million and $75 million....
Speaker #1: I'm pleased to highlight that even with this level of capital deployment, and as a result of our strong cash flow generation, Triple Flag is debt-free at year-end with more than $70 million in cash and $1 billion available on our credit facility.
Speaker #1: We remain well positioned to deploying capital into transactions that are accretive, fit with our strategy, and deliver value throughout a cycle. Moving forward to 2026 guidance, as Sheldon noted, we expect GEOs of between 95,000 and 105,000 ounces for the year.
Speaker #1: We expect these GEOs to be all derived from gold and silver and reflect a conservative gold-to-silver price ratio of 72 for the whole year, with a lower ratio assumed in the first half.
Speaker #1: Depletion is expected to be between 65 million and 75 million dollars, slightly lower than 2025 reflecting the sales mix we expect in 2026. G&A costs are expected to be between 30 and 32 million dollars, consistent with our actual expenses in 2025 that reflect the impact of Triple Flag's strong share price increase throughout the year on share-based compensation expense.
Eban Bari: slightly lower than 2025, reflecting the sales mix we expect in 2026. G&A costs are expected to be between $30 and $32 million, consistent with our actual expenses in 2025, that reflect the impact of Triple Flag's strong share price increase throughout the year on share-based compensation expense. Finally, our Australian cash tax rate for Australian royalties will be approximately 25%, consistent with prior year actuals. I will now pass it on to James to discuss our asset portfolio.
Eban Bari: slightly lower than 2025, reflecting the sales mix we expect in 2026. G&A costs are expected to be between $30 and $32 million, consistent with our actual expenses in 2025, that reflect the impact of Triple Flag's strong share price increase throughout the year on share-based compensation expense. Finally, our Australian cash tax rate for Australian royalties will be approximately 25%, consistent with prior year actuals. I will now pass it on to James to discuss our asset portfolio.
Speaker #1: Finally, our Australian cash tax rate for Australian royalties will be approximately 25%, consistent with prior year actuals. I will now pass it on to James to discuss our asset portfolio.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Eban. Triple Flag has achieved a consistent track record delivering long-term GEOs growth since our first full year of operation in 2017. Beyond the guidance we have set for 2026, we see further organic growth to 140 to 150,000 GEOs in 2030.
James Dendle: Thank you, Eban. Triple Flag's achieved a consistent track record, delivering long-term GEOs growth since our first full year of operation in 2017. Beyond the guidance we have set for 2026, we see further organic growth to 140 to 150 thousand GEOs in 2030. Midpoint to midpoint, this represents annual growth of 45% from 2026 guidance, which I'll discuss further on the following slide. Our long-term organic growth outlook of 100 to 150 thousand GEOs in 2030 is robust and reflects the achievement of several de-risking milestones delivered by our operators over the past twelve months. We are seeing meaningful progress across the portfolio, supported not only by constructive commodity price environments, but also by favorable permitting regimes across the jurisdictions to which we have exposure.
James Dendle: Thank you, Eban. Triple Flag's achieved a consistent track record, delivering long-term GEOs growth since our first full year of operation in 2017. Beyond the guidance we have set for 2026, we see further organic growth to 140 to 150 thousand GEOs in 2030. Midpoint to midpoint, this represents annual growth of 45% from 2026 guidance, which I'll discuss further on the following slide. Our long-term organic growth outlook of 100 to 150 thousand GEOs in 2030 is robust and reflects the achievement of several de-risking milestones delivered by our operators over the past twelve months. We are seeing meaningful progress across the portfolio, supported not only by constructive commodity price environments, but also by favorable permitting regimes across the jurisdictions to which we have exposure.
Speaker #3: Midpoint to midpoint, this represents ANT's growth of 45% from 2026 guidance, which I'll discuss further on the following slide. Our long-term organic growth outlook of 100 to 150,000 GEOs in 2030 is robust and reflects the achievement of several de-risking milestones delivered by our operators over the past 12 months.
Speaker #3: We are seeing meaningful progress across the portfolio, supported not only by constructive commodity price environment, but also by favorable permitting regimes across the jurisdictions to which we have exposure.
James Dendle: Arcata, Kone, SK Creek, Aranzazu, Goldfield, South Railroad, and Delamar are a few examples of the many assets in our portfolio that are advancing rapidly toward production or steady state ramp-up over the medium term. Touching on only a few of them, we were exceptionally pleased to see, in 2025, the SK Creek project in British Columbia receive full permits in less than 1 year after submission, Aura Minerals receive a construction license for Aranzazu within 1 year of its acquisition, and Centerra's renewed focus on the Goldfield project as a straightforward heap leach operation in Nevada. Beyond 2030, our portfolio is expected to deliver further GEOs growth from Arthur, Kemess, Hope Bay, as well as the growth initiatives at Northparkes, which I'll discuss in the following slides.
James Dendle: Arcata, Kone, SK Creek, Aranzazu, Goldfield, South Railroad, and Delamar are a few examples of the many assets in our portfolio that are advancing rapidly toward production or steady state ramp-up over the medium term. Touching on only a few of them, we were exceptionally pleased to see, in 2025, the SK Creek project in British Columbia receive full permits in less than 1 year after submission, Aura Minerals receive a construction license for Aranzazu within 1 year of its acquisition, and Centerra's renewed focus on the Goldfield project as a straightforward heap leach operation in Nevada. Beyond 2030, our portfolio is expected to deliver further GEOs growth from Arthur, Kemess, Hope Bay, as well as the growth initiatives at Northparkes, which I'll discuss in the following slides.
Speaker #3: Our CATA, CONE, SK Creek, Aridorada, Goldfield, South Railroad, and Delamar are a few examples of the many assets in our portfolio that are advancing rapidly towards production or steady-state ramp-up over the medium term.
Speaker #3: Touching on only a few of them, we were exceptionally pleased to see in 2025 the SK Creek project in British Columbia receive full permits in less than one year after submission, or a minerals receive a construction license for Aridorada within one year of its acquisition, and Sentera's renewed focus on the Goldfield project as a straightforward heap-leach operation in Nevada.
Speaker #3: Beyond 2030, our portfolio is expected to deliver further GEOs growth from Arthur, Kemes, Hope Bay, as well as the growth initiatives at North Parks, which I'll discuss in the following slides.
Speaker #3: Beyond 2030, Arthur, Kemes, Hope Bay, and North Parks represent world-class long-life assets located in the most stable and established mining jurisdictions that provide substantial growth potential beyond our 2030 outlook and demonstrate the quality of Triple Flag's portfolio.
James Dendle: Beyond 2030, Arthur, Kemess, Hope Bay, and Northparkes represent world-class, long-life assets located in the most stable and established mining jurisdictions. They provide substantial growth potential beyond our 2030 outlook and demonstrate the quality of Triple Flag's portfolio. At Arthur, we see the imminent release of a pre-feasibility study by AngloGold as an important catalyst in providing greater insight on the potential of this district scale system, starting with the Merlin Silicon deposit, a straightforward oxide open pit projects. Arthur will be a cornerstone asset for Triple Flag in the 2030s. At Kemess, Triple Flag holds a 100% silver stream. The January 2026 preliminary economic assessment supports a large-scale copper-gold-silver operation, reaching production by 2031, leveraging existing brownfield infrastructure and permits from the previous mining operations.
James Dendle: Beyond 2030, Arthur, Kemess, Hope Bay, and Northparkes represent world-class, long-life assets located in the most stable and established mining jurisdictions. They provide substantial growth potential beyond our 2030 outlook and demonstrate the quality of Triple Flag's portfolio. At Arthur, we see the imminent release of a pre-feasibility study by AngloGold as an important catalyst in providing greater insight on the potential of this district scale system, starting with the Merlin Silicon deposit, a straightforward oxide open pit projects. Arthur will be a cornerstone asset for Triple Flag in the 2030s. At Kemess, Triple Flag holds a 100% silver stream. The January 2026 preliminary economic assessment supports a large-scale copper-gold-silver operation, reaching production by 2031, leveraging existing brownfield infrastructure and permits from the previous mining operations.
Speaker #3: At Arthur, we see the imminent release of a pre-feasibility study by AngloGold as an important catalyst in providing greater insight on the potential of this district-scale system, starting with the Merlin Silicon Deposit as straightforward oxide open-pit projects.
Speaker #3: Arthur will be a cornerstone asset for Triple Flag in the 2030s. At Kemes, Triple Flag holds a 100% silver stream, the January 2026 preliminary economic assessment supports a large-scale copper-gold-silver operation reaching production by 2031, leveraging existing brownfield infrastructure and permits from the previous mining operations.
James Dendle: Notably, the PEA mine plan only represents 47% of the total indicated and inferred resources, providing potential upside for future answers to be included in subsequent economic studies. At PFS, the Kemess is expected in 2027. At Hope Bay, our 1% NSR royalty covers a district-scale gold system on an asset operated by Agnico Eagle, the premier Canadian Arctic underground miner. In their year-end results from last week, Agnico noted that annual gold production is expected to be 400 to 425,000 ounces, with a potential construction decision in May 2026 and a potential restart in 2030. I'll go into more detail on Northparkes on the next page. Northparkes is Triple Flag's largest asset. It's an established, high-quality copper-gold operation in Australia, operated by Evolution Mining.
James Dendle: Notably, the PEA mine plan only represents 47% of the total indicated and inferred resources, providing potential upside for future answers to be included in subsequent economic studies. At PFS, the Kemess is expected in 2027. At Hope Bay, our 1% NSR royalty covers a district-scale gold system on an asset operated by Agnico Eagle, the premier Canadian Arctic underground miner. In their year-end results from last week, Agnico noted that annual gold production is expected to be 400 to 425,000 ounces, with a potential construction decision in May 2026 and a potential restart in 2030. I'll go into more detail on Northparkes on the next page. Northparkes is Triple Flag's largest asset. It's an established, high-quality copper-gold operation in Australia, operated by Evolution Mining.
Speaker #3: Notably, the PEA mine plan only represents 47% of the total indicated and inferred resources, providing potential upside for future ANTs to be included in subsequent economic studies.
Speaker #3: At PFS, the Kemes is expected in 2027. At Hope Bay, our 1% NSR royalty covers a district-scale gold system on an asset operated by Agnico Eagle, the premier Canadian Arctic underground miner.
Speaker #3: In their year-end results from last week, Agnico noted their annual gold production is expected to be 400 to 425,000 ANTs with a potential construction decision in May 2026 and a potential restart in 2030.
Speaker #3: I'll go into more detail on North Parks on the next page. North Parks is Triple Flag's largest asset. It's an established, high-quality copper-gold operation in Australia operated by Evolution Mining.
James Dendle: Numerous growth projects have recently been approved, that Sheldon referred to, which unlock the value from this world-class copper gold endowment. Currently, the E48 sub-level cave is ramping up and supports near-term gold production growth. Over the medium term, the E22 ore body will be advanced as a Block Cave, a large, low-cost operation with initial production by 2030. During this timeframe, the E44 gold-dominant deposit will also be advanced to production. This is an ore body not previously included in Evolution's life of mine plans. Minimum guaranteed deliveries will commence in 2030 for a period of seven years, with potential for meaningful life extensions beyond this initial period. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, is the potential for mill expansion to at least, at least 10 million tons per annum, which is currently being studied over the next year.
James Dendle: Numerous growth projects have recently been approved, that Sheldon referred to, which unlock the value from this world-class copper gold endowment. Currently, the E48 sub-level cave is ramping up and supports near-term gold production growth. Over the medium term, the E22 ore body will be advanced as a Block Cave, a large, low-cost operation with initial production by 2030. During this timeframe, the E44 gold-dominant deposit will also be advanced to production. This is an ore body not previously included in Evolution's life of mine plans. Minimum guaranteed deliveries will commence in 2030 for a period of seven years, with potential for meaningful life extensions beyond this initial period. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, is the potential for mill expansion to at least, at least 10 million tons per annum, which is currently being studied over the next year.
Speaker #3: Numerous growth projects have recently been approved that Sheldon referred to, which unlock the value from this world-class copper-gold endowment. Currently, the E48 sublevel cave is ramping up and supports near-term gold production growth.
Speaker #3: Over the medium term, the E22 ore body will be advanced as a block cave, a large, low-cost operation with initial production by 2030. During this timeframe, the E44 gold-dominant deposit will also be advanced to production; this is an ore body not previously included in Evolution's life-of-mine plans.
Speaker #3: Minimum guaranteed deliveries will commence in 2030 for a period of seven years, with potential for meaningful life extensions beyond this initial period. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, is the potential for mill expansion to at least 10 million tons per annum, which is currently being studied over the next year.
Speaker #3: We believe that this potential expansion is the optimal path forward to unlock the value from not only the 550 million tons of current measured and indicated resources, but other prospective and underexplored targets that could materially add to the expected production profile with the improved scale and processing optionality.
James Dendle: We believe that this potential expansion is the optimal path forward to unlock the value from not only the 550 million tons of current measured and indicated resources, but other prospective and underexplored targets that could materially add to the expected production profile with the improved scale and processing optionality... These growth projects demonstrate that Northparkes is not a static asset. It's a dynamic, world-class mining operation with lots of embedded optionality that will drive value for decades to come. I'll now pass back to Sheldon for closing remarks.
James Dendle: We believe that this potential expansion is the optimal path forward to unlock the value from not only the 550 million tons of current measured and indicated resources, but other prospective and underexplored targets that could materially add to the expected production profile with the improved scale and processing optionality... These growth projects demonstrate that Northparkes is not a static asset. It's a dynamic, world-class mining operation with lots of embedded optionality that will drive value for decades to come. I'll now pass back to Sheldon for closing remarks.
Speaker #3: These growth projects demonstrate that North Parks is not a static asset. It's a dynamic, world-class mining operation with lots of embedded optionality that will drive value for decades to come.
Speaker #3: I'll now pass back to Sheldon for closing remarks.
Speaker #1: Thank you, James. After delivering record performance in 2025, Triple Flag is in an exceptionally strong position as we look ahead to 2026 and beyond.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thank you, James. After delivering record performance in 2025, Triple Flag is in an exceptionally strong position as we look ahead to 2026 and beyond. We have a clear and de-risked pathway to robust growth of 140,000 to 150,000 GEOs in 2030. Our project pipeline progressed very well in 2025, and now in 2026. Beyond 2030, Triple Flag shareholders can expect significant additional GEO growth from long life, district-scale assets, including at Northparkes', Arthur, Kemess, and Hope Bay, all from projects with clear line of sight to production, a top-tier operator, and located in Australia, Canada, or the United States. Northparkes is our cornerstone asset and is clearly positioned as a growth asset over the next decade.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thank you, James. After delivering record performance in 2025, Triple Flag is in an exceptionally strong position as we look ahead to 2026 and beyond. We have a clear and de-risked pathway to robust growth of 140,000 to 150,000 GEOs in 2030. Our project pipeline progressed very well in 2025, and now in 2026. Beyond 2030, Triple Flag shareholders can expect significant additional GEO growth from long life, district-scale assets, including at Northparkes', Arthur, Kemess, and Hope Bay, all from projects with clear line of sight to production, a top-tier operator, and located in Australia, Canada, or the United States. Northparkes is our cornerstone asset and is clearly positioned as a growth asset over the next decade.
Speaker #1: We have a clear and de-risked pathway to robust growth of 140,000 to 150,000 GEOs in 2030. Our project pipeline progressed very well in 2025 and now in 2026.
Speaker #1: Beyond 2030, Triple Flag shareholders can expect significant additional GEO growth from long-life district-scale assets, including at North Parks, Arthur, Kemes, and Hope Bay. All from projects with clear line-of-sight to production at top-tier operator and located in Australia, Canada, or the United States.
Speaker #1: North Parks is our cornerstone asset and is clearly positioned as a growth asset over the next decade. On the deal front, we deployed over 350 million in 2025 across multiple accretive transactions demonstrating our ability to source and execute on high-quality opportunities that deliver compounding per-share growth from good assets, good regions, and good operators.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: On the deal front, we deployed over $350 million in 2025 across multiple accretive transactions, demonstrating our ability to source and execute on high-quality opportunities that deliver compounding per share growth from good assets, good regions, and good operators. Our balance sheet remains pristine. We exited 2025 debt-free and with over $1 billion in total liquidity, providing us with substantial financial flexibility to continue pursuing accretive growth opportunities, as well as to allocate capital to progressively growing returns to shareholders. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the floor to questions.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: On the deal front, we deployed over $350 million in 2025 across multiple accretive transactions, demonstrating our ability to source and execute on high-quality opportunities that deliver compounding per share growth from good assets, good regions, and good operators. Our balance sheet remains pristine. We exited 2025 debt-free and with over $1 billion in total liquidity, providing us with substantial financial flexibility to continue pursuing accretive growth opportunities, as well as to allocate capital to progressively growing returns to shareholders. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the floor to questions.
Speaker #1: Our balance sheet remains pristine. We exited 2025 debt-free and with over $1 billion in total liquidity, providing us with substantial financial flexibility to continue pursuing accretive growth opportunities as well as to allocate capital to progressively growing returns to shareholders.
Speaker #1: That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the floor to questions.
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Speaker #3: Thanks, Sheldon, Eban, and James. Maybe my first question is at North Parks. Great to see that you're investing more money into North Parks. At the E44 deposit, I guess my question is, are there more opportunities like that in terms of something similar to E44 gold-rich, something that would not be in the mine plan unless there's a partner coming in and helping to put up some of the capex?
[Analyst] (CIBC): Thanks, Sheldon, Eban, and James. Maybe my first question is at Northparkes. Great to see that you're investing more money into Northparkes at the E44 deposit. I guess my question is, are there more opportunities like that in terms of, you know, something similar to E44, gold-rich, something that would not be in the mine plan unless there's a partner coming in and helping to put up some of the CapEx? And then, maybe if you can also talk about geological setting, 'cause it must be a very, you know, clear variety of different geological settings here if there are copper-rich deposits and gold-rich deposits. I'm just trying to figure out where some of these gold-rich deposits came from.
Cosmos Chiu: Thanks, Sheldon, Eban, and James. Maybe my first question is at Northparkes. Great to see that you're investing more money into Northparkes at the E44 deposit. I guess my question is, are there more opportunities like that in terms of, you know, something similar to E44, gold-rich, something that would not be in the mine plan unless there's a partner coming in and helping to put up some of the CapEx? And then, maybe if you can also talk about geological setting, 'cause it must be a very, you know, clear variety of different geological settings here if there are copper-rich deposits and gold-rich deposits. I'm just trying to figure out where some of these gold-rich deposits came from.
Speaker #3: And then maybe if you can also talk about geological setting, because it must be a very clear variety of different geological settings here if there are copper-rich deposits and gold-rich deposits.
Speaker #3: I'm just trying to figure out where some of these gold-rich deposits came from.
Speaker #1: Yeah, thanks, Cosmos. This is Sheldon. I'll start and then pass it over to James. So historically, the North Parks property had gold deposits kind of shallow surface gold deposits and was very interesting.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, thanks, Cosmos. This is Sheldon. I'll start and then pass it over to James. Historically, the Northparkes property, you know, had gold deposits, kind of shallow surface gold deposits, and it's very interesting. Now, of course, when we came in and did the stream, we really did the stream as a byproduct stream, you know, which works, 'cause we get about 60% of the gold revenue that Evolution gets from Northparkes. And that works if the primary revenue is the copper. But if it's gold only, we had to come to the table with Lawrie and the team and work something out.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, thanks, Cosmos. This is Sheldon. I'll start and then pass it over to James. Historically, the Northparkes property, you know, had gold deposits, kind of shallow surface gold deposits, and it's very interesting. Now, of course, when we came in and did the stream, we really did the stream as a byproduct stream, you know, which works, 'cause we get about 60% of the gold revenue that Evolution gets from Northparkes. And that works if the primary revenue is the copper. But if it's gold only, we had to come to the table with Lawrie and the team and work something out.
Speaker #1: Now, of course, when we came in and did the stream, we really did the stream as a byproduct stream, which worked because we get about 60% of the gold revenue that Evolution gets from North Parks.
Speaker #1: And that works if the primary revenue is the copper. But if it's gold only, we had to come to the table with Lori and the team and work something out.
Speaker #1: But this is really exciting for us, because the idea of getting a gold-only deposit there, and us also having access to that, was really key.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: But this is really exciting for us because the idea of getting, you know, a gold-only deposit there and us also having access to that was, was really key. There's nothing else right now on the horizon, but, is there a potential there? Well, I'll let James speak to that, but, there have been, you know, gold-dominant deposits on that property in the past.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: But this is really exciting for us because the idea of getting, you know, a gold-only deposit there and us also having access to that was, was really key. There's nothing else right now on the horizon, but, is there a potential there? Well, I'll let James speak to that, but, there have been, you know, gold-dominant deposits on that property in the past.
Speaker #1: There's nothing else right now on the horizon, but is there a potential there? Well, I'll let James speak to that. But there have been gold-dominant deposits on that property in the past.
Speaker #4: Yeah, and Cosmos, James, as Sheldon noted, the first mining at North Parks is actually as you probably remember in the mid-90s as a gold project.
James Dendle: Yeah, and Cosmos, James, as Sheldon noted, the first mining at Northparkes is actually, as you probably remember, the mid-1990s, as a gold project, and it was actually first explored with shallow holes for gold mineralization. So there is a history there, but it very clearly transitioned to a copper deposit for the last, you know, 25 years or so. So when you think about it geologically, yes, the gold is clearly associated with the copper, and it's a very prospective region. And I think what we've seen with Evolution is exactly what we hoped when they acquired the asset. They think very expansively and very creatively about how to maximize value from operations. And I think that's been a big part of their success with assets like Ernest Henry.
James Dendle: Yeah, and Cosmos, James, as Sheldon noted, the first mining at Northparkes is actually, as you probably remember, the mid-1990s, as a gold project, and it was actually first explored with shallow holes for gold mineralization. So there is a history there, but it very clearly transitioned to a copper deposit for the last, you know, 25 years or so. So when you think about it geologically, yes, the gold is clearly associated with the copper, and it's a very prospective region. And I think what we've seen with Evolution is exactly what we hoped when they acquired the asset. They think very expansively and very creatively about how to maximize value from operations. And I think that's been a big part of their success with assets like Ernest Henry.
Speaker #4: And it was actually first explored with shallow holes for gold mineralization. So there is a history there, but very clearly transitioned to a copper.
Speaker #4: Deposit for the last 25 years or so. So when you think about it geologically, yes, the gold is clearly associated with the copper. And it's a very prospective region.
Speaker #4: And I think what we're seeing with Evolution is exactly what we hoped when they acquired the asset. They think very expansively and very creatively about how to maximize value from operations.
Speaker #4: And I think that's been a big part of their success with assets like Earnest Henry. And they're applying the same approach to North Parks, which is to say there's a large resource; let's look at expanding capacity.
James Dendle: And they're applying the same approach to Northparkes, which is to say, you know, there's a large resource, let's look at expanding capacity, and then with that expanded capacity, what, what else can we do with it? Which has caused them to really look at the gold deposits in, in a way that wasn't done in the past. And the short answer is, you know, E44 was, is the most known.
James Dendle: And they're applying the same approach to Northparkes, which is to say, you know, there's a large resource, let's look at expanding capacity, and then with that expanded capacity, what, what else can we do with it? Which has caused them to really look at the gold deposits in, in a way that wasn't done in the past. And the short answer is, you know, E44 was, is the most known.
Speaker #4: And then with that expanded capacity, what else can we do with it? Which has caused them to really look at the gold deposits in a way that wasn't done in the past.
Speaker #4: And the short answer is E44 is the most known. But there are a large number of targets across the property that are sort of known from some of the historical work, but have not been tested and defined in a systematic manner, which I think really speaks to the opportunity to find more in this type of mineralization.
[Analyst] (CIBC): Mm-hmm.
Cosmos Chiu: Mm-hmm.
James Dendle: But there are a large number of targets across the property that are sort of known from some of the historical work but have not been tested and defined in a systematic manner, which I think really speaks to the opportunity to find more of this type of mineralization, which, with the expanded mill capacity, Evolution can take advantage of.
James Dendle: But there are a large number of targets across the property that are sort of known from some of the historical work but have not been tested and defined in a systematic manner, which I think really speaks to the opportunity to find more of this type of mineralization, which, with the expanded mill capacity, Evolution can take advantage of.
Speaker #4: Which, with the expanded mill capacity, Evolution can take advantage of.
Speaker #3: Great. That's great to hear, James. And then maybe my next question is taking a step back here. In the royalties and streaming industry, we've now seen recently some billion-dollar deals or even multi-billion-dollar deals.
[Analyst] (CIBC): Great. That's great to hear, James. And then, maybe my next question is, you know, taking a step back here. In the royalties and streaming industry, we've now seen recently some billion-dollar deals or even multi-billion dollar deals. I know, Sheldon, you mentioned that you deployed about $300 million last year. But in terms of these billion-dollar deals, multi-billion dollar deals, is that something that Triple Flag could be interested in, could be competitive in? Or, you know, is that slightly too large for you at this point in time?
Cosmos Chiu: Great. That's great to hear, James. And then, maybe my next question is, you know, taking a step back here. In the royalties and streaming industry, we've now seen recently some billion-dollar deals or even multi-billion dollar deals. I know, Sheldon, you mentioned that you deployed about $300 million last year. But in terms of these billion-dollar deals, multi-billion dollar deals, is that something that Triple Flag could be interested in, could be competitive in? Or, you know, is that slightly too large for you at this point in time?
Speaker #3: I know, Sheldon, you mentioned that you deployed about $300 million last year. But in terms of these billion-dollar deals, multi-billion-dollar deals, is that something that Triple Flag could be interested in, could be competitive in, or is that slightly too large for you at this point in time?
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Hi, Cos. We've always said that, like, our sweet spot is really in the, you know, $200 to 500 million range, and I don't think that changes. When you look back, you know, Triple Flag actually is coming up on our 10th anniversary. Over the last 10 years, the vast majority of the capital deployment in the sector has been in, you know, that strike zone. So I feel really good about that. You know, there was a large deal done earlier this week, and $4.3 billion is too big for Triple Flag. I think that's okay. But there's plenty out there I think that we can grow and deploy on. And again, our relative to our size, I think we definitely have an ability to grow.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Hi, Cos. We've always said that, like, our sweet spot is really in the, you know, $200 to 500 million range, and I don't think that changes. When you look back, you know, Triple Flag actually is coming up on our 10th anniversary. Over the last 10 years, the vast majority of the capital deployment in the sector has been in, you know, that strike zone. So I feel really good about that. You know, there was a large deal done earlier this week, and $4.3 billion is too big for Triple Flag. I think that's okay. But there's plenty out there I think that we can grow and deploy on. And again, our relative to our size, I think we definitely have an ability to grow.
Speaker #1: Hi, Cosmos. We've always said that our sweet spot is really in the 200 to 500 million dollar range. And I don't think that that changes.
Speaker #1: And when you look back, Triple Flag actually is coming up on our 10th anniversary. And over the last 10 years, the vast majority of the capital deployment in the sector has been in that strike zone.
Speaker #1: So I feel really good about that. There is a large deal done earlier this week. And $4.3 billion is too big for Triple Flag.
Speaker #1: I think that's okay. But there's plenty out there, I think, that we can grow and deploy on. And again, relative to our size, I think we definitely have an ability to grow, because when you look at the size of Triple Flag, and $350 million of deployment, that's meaningful.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Because when you look at the size of Triple Flag and $350 million of deployment, that's meaningful. So if we do a $400 million deal, that is, that moves the needle for Triple Flag, and I think that'll do very well by our shareholders.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Because when you look at the size of Triple Flag and $350 million of deployment, that's meaningful. So if we do a $400 million deal, that is, that moves the needle for Triple Flag, and I think that'll do very well by our shareholders.
Speaker #1: So, if we do a $400 million deal, that moves the needle for Triple Flag. And I think that’ll do very well by our shareholders.
Speaker #3: Great. And then maybe one last question. As you talk about the different growth opportunities within your portfolio, I guess one asset you did not mention was Pumpkin Hollow.
[Analyst] (CIBC): Great. And then maybe one last question. As you talk about the different growth opportunities within your portfolio, I guess one asset you did not mention was Pumpkin Hollow. I know there's a bit of history behind it, but now it seems like Pumpkin Hollow has a new owner, Kintera, and they seem to have, you know, be able to raise a lot of capital. So, you know, Pumpkin Hollow, once again, is this something that we should start talking about? Is this something that we should start getting excited about, or is it still too early at this point in time?
Cosmos Chiu: Great. And then maybe one last question. As you talk about the different growth opportunities within your portfolio, I guess one asset you did not mention was Pumpkin Hollow. I know there's a bit of history behind it, but now it seems like Pumpkin Hollow has a new owner, Kintera, and they seem to have, you know, be able to raise a lot of capital. So, you know, Pumpkin Hollow, once again, is this something that we should start talking about? Is this something that we should start getting excited about, or is it still too early at this point in time?
Speaker #3: I know there's a bit of history behind it. But now it seems like Pumpkin Hollow has a new owner. Kintera. And they seem to have be able to raise a lot of capital.
Speaker #3: So Pumpkin Hollow, once again, is this something that we should start talking about? Is there something that we should start getting excited about? Or is it still too early at this point in time?
Speaker #1: Yeah, so we retain a royalty on the Pumpkin Hollow open pit. And that actually, I think, looks like a really nice royalty because that is copper in the United States.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, so we retain a royalty on the Pumpkin Hollow open pit, and that actually, I think, looks like a really nice royalty because that is copper in the United States, and we're, we're a royalty, and we're on title, and that survived, you know, all the processes that went on there. So I am quite keen to see what Kintera is doing there, and that represents some very nice copper exposure from the United States for Triple Flag shareholders. Triple Flag will not be investing any more money in Pumpkin Hollow. I can, I'll, I'll say that clearly.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, so we retain a royalty on the Pumpkin Hollow open pit, and that actually, I think, looks like a really nice royalty because that is copper in the United States, and we're, we're a royalty, and we're on title, and that survived, you know, all the processes that went on there. So I am quite keen to see what Kintera is doing there, and that represents some very nice copper exposure from the United States for Triple Flag shareholders. Triple Flag will not be investing any more money in Pumpkin Hollow. I can, I'll, I'll say that clearly.
Speaker #1: And we're a royalty. And we're on title in that survived all the processes that went on there. So I am quite keen to see what Kintera is doing there.
Speaker #1: And that represents some very nice copper exposure from the United States for Triple Flag shareholders. Triple Flag will not be investing any more money in Pumpkin Hollow.
Speaker #1: I can I'll say that clearly.
Speaker #3: Great. Thanks again, Sheldon, James, and Eban. Those are all the questions I have. Thank you.
[Analyst] (CIBC): Great. Thanks again, Sheldon, James, and Yvan. Those are all the questions I have. Thank you.
Cosmos Chiu: Great. Thanks again, Sheldon, James, and Yvan. Those are all the questions I have. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Cosmos.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thanks, Kos.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thanks, Kos.
Desiree: Our next question comes from the line of Tanya Jakusconek with Scotiabank. Your line is open.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Tanya Jakusconek with Scotiabank. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Our next question comes from the line of Tanya Jacusconek with Scotiabank. Your line is open.
Tanya Jakusconek: Oh, great. Good morning, everybody. Can you hear me?
Tanya Jakusconek: Oh, great. Good morning, everybody. Can you hear me?
Speaker #6: Oh, great. Good morning, everybody. Can you hear me?
Speaker #1: I can. Hi, Tanya.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: I can. Hi, Tanya.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: I can. Hi, Tanya.
Speaker #6: Oh, good morning. Hello. I have a couple of questions, if I could. I'll start with a very easy one. I know that you use a very different ratio; I just kind of want to assume a flat gold price, flat silver price, etc.
Tanya Jakusconek: Oh, good morning. Hello. I have a couple of questions, if I could. Start with a very easy one. Can you know, I know that you use a very different ratio. I just you know, just kind of want to assume, like, a flat gold price, flat silver price, et cetera. Can you give us just an idea of how the year is going to look like on, from a quarterly perspective? You know, we have some step downs, we have other things happening. So I'm just trying to understand how should we think first half, second half, et cetera.
Tanya Jakusconek: Oh, good morning. Hello. I have a couple of questions, if I could. Start with a very easy one. Can you know, I know that you use a very different ratio. I just you know, just kind of want to assume, like, a flat gold price, flat silver price, et cetera. Can you give us just an idea of how the year is going to look like on, from a quarterly perspective? You know, we have some step downs, we have other things happening. So I'm just trying to understand how should we think first half, second half, et cetera.
Speaker #6: Can you give us just an idea of how the year is going to look like from a quarterly perspective? We have some step-downs. We have other things happening.
Speaker #6: So I'm just trying to understand how should we think first half, second half, etc.?
Speaker #1: Yeah. Hi, Tanya. We give our annual guidance. We're not going to break it down by the quarters. And you've kind of correctly identified the one factor, which is the Sarah Lyndall step-down will occur sometime in the second quarter.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah. Hi, Tanya. We give our annual guidance. We're not going to break it down by the quarters. And you've kind of correctly identified the one factor, which is the Cerro Lindo step down will occur sometime in Q2, we believe, but can't give any more quarterly guidance over and above that.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah. Hi, Tanya. We give our annual guidance. We're not going to break it down by the quarters. And you've kind of correctly identified the one factor, which is the Cerro Lindo step down will occur sometime in Q2, we believe, but can't give any more quarterly guidance over and above that.
Speaker #1: We believe, but can't give any more quarterly guidance over and above that.
Speaker #6: Okay. What about the capital returns? I think those are you focus on the dividend and you like the fact that you progressively increase that dividend.
Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. What about the capital returns? I think those are. You know, you focus on the dividend, and you like the fact that you progressively increase that dividend. How should we be thinking about it for mid-year?
Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. What about the capital returns? I think those are. You know, you focus on the dividend, and you like the fact that you progressively increase that dividend. How should we be thinking about it for mid-year?
Speaker #6: How should we be thinking about it for mid-year?
Speaker #1: Yeah. I think nothing's changed on our philosophy on capital allocation. So as you cited, we have a progressively increasing dividend. We've increased it every year since we've been public.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, I think nothing's changed on our philosophy on capital allocation. So, you know, as you cited, we have a progressively increasing dividend. We've increased it every year since we've been public. I see no reason why we would change that. I think it's very, it goes over very well with, with shareholders. So that's the dividend. And then, you know, we're looking to deploy capital into accretive opportunities for shareholders. It's really that simple.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, I think nothing's changed on our philosophy on capital allocation. So, you know, as you cited, we have a progressively increasing dividend. We've increased it every year since we've been public. I see no reason why we would change that. I think it's very, it goes over very well with, with shareholders. So that's the dividend. And then, you know, we're looking to deploy capital into accretive opportunities for shareholders. It's really that simple.
Speaker #1: I see no reason why we would change that. I think it goes over very well with shareholders. So that's the dividend. And then we're looking to deploy capital into accretive opportunities for shareholders.
Speaker #1: It's really that simple.
Speaker #6: Okay. And in terms of the opportunities, I think you mentioned that 200 to 500 million range being your sweet spot. And we've seen some bigger deals.
Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. In terms of the opportunities, I think you mentioned the $200 to 500 million range being your sweet spot, and we've seen some bigger deals. So, I have a couple of questions on this front. The first thing is, I've noted two people shopping in their own closet, yourselves and Wheaton. Are there any other things to do in shopping in your own closet? Any other opportunities on assets you own?
Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. In terms of the opportunities, I think you mentioned the $200 to 500 million range being your sweet spot, and we've seen some bigger deals. So, I have a couple of questions on this front. The first thing is, I've noted two people shopping in their own closet, yourselves and Wheaton. Are there any other things to do in shopping in your own closet? Any other opportunities on assets you own?
Speaker #6: So I have a couple of questions on this front. The first thing is, I’ve noted two people shopping in their own closets. It’s all in Wheaton.
Speaker #6: Are there any other things to do in shopping in your own closet? Any other opportunities on assets you own?
Sheldon Vanderkooy: That's, that's an analogy I haven't heard before. I like it. You know, I guess, we just-
Sheldon Vanderkooy: That's, that's an analogy I haven't heard before. I like it. You know, I guess, we just-
Speaker #1: That's an analogy I haven't heard before. I like it. I guess we just...
Tanya Jakusconek: I shop in my closet all the time, by the way, Sheldon.
Tanya Jakusconek: I shop in my closet all the time, by the way, Sheldon.
Speaker #6: Just closet all the time. By the way, Sheldon.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: You know what? It's natural when you have a relationship with a party or you already have a position in a property, that those are the things you look to. And, you know, with Northparkes, that was obviously a natural for us. And would we look for other opportunities like that? Yeah, perhaps. But these things are - they're never done till they're done, and I don't want to start front-running anything. But, you know, we're - we try to engage closely with all of our partners.
Speaker #1: You know what? It's natural when you have a relationship with a party or you already have a position in a property that those are the things you look to.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: You know what? It's natural when you have a relationship with a party or you already have a position in a property, that those are the things you look to. And, you know, with Northparkes, that was obviously a natural for us. And would we look for other opportunities like that? Yeah, perhaps. But these things are - they're never done till they're done, and I don't want to start front-running anything. But, you know, we're - we try to engage closely with all of our partners.
Speaker #1: And with North Parks, that was obviously a natural for us. And would be looking for other opportunities like that. Yeah, perhaps with these things, they're never done till they're done.
Speaker #1: And I don't want to start front-running anything. But we try to engage closely with all of our partners.
Speaker #5: And in terms of opportunities that are out there, would you say most of them now are focused on asset builds? Or are they royalty portfolios still available?
Tanya Jakusconek: In terms of opportunities that are out there, would you say most of them now are focused on asset builds, or are they royalty portfolios still available? We saw one last night as well. Anything, any color on opportunities that are out there?
Tanya Jakusconek: In terms of opportunities that are out there, would you say most of them now are focused on asset builds, or are they royalty portfolios still available? We saw one last night as well. Anything, any color on opportunities that are out there?
Speaker #5: We saw one last night as well. Any color on opportunities that are out there?
Sheldon Vanderkooy: You know, it's gonna be the same answer as has been received by, I think, everyone for the last little while. There's a variety. You know, there's third-party assets that are coming up for sale. There's people looking for financing for various things, you know, and that can be development, or that could be other reasons. I wouldn't say there's any, like, one big thematic out there, and it's kind of our job, you know, to look at the opportunity set and try to generate some of our opportunity set as well. So I wouldn't say there is any kind of one sort of theme that I'm seeing out there.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: You know, it's gonna be the same answer as has been received by, I think, everyone for the last little while. There's a variety. You know, there's third-party assets that are coming up for sale. There's people looking for financing for various things, you know, and that can be development, or that could be other reasons. I wouldn't say there's any, like, one big thematic out there, and it's kind of our job, you know, to look at the opportunity set and try to generate some of our opportunity set as well. So I wouldn't say there is any kind of one sort of theme that I'm seeing out there.
Speaker #1: It's going to be the same answer as has been received by, I think, everyone for the last little while. There's a variety. There's third-party assets that are coming up for sale.
Speaker #1: There's people looking for financing for various things. And that can be development. Or that could be other reasons. I wouldn't say there's any one big thematic out there.
Speaker #1: And it's kind of our job to look at the opportunity set and try to generate some of our opportunity set as well. So I wouldn't say there is any kind of one sort of theme that I'm seeing out there.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: The opportunity set looks pretty robust to me, and I think we've seen, you know, not just ourselves, but other people deploy, you know, I think that bodes well for the sector as a whole.
Speaker #1: The opportunity set looks pretty robust to me. And I think we've seen not just ourselves, but other people deploy I think that bodes well for the sector as a whole.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: The opportunity set looks pretty robust to me, and I think we've seen, you know, not just ourselves, but other people deploy, you know, I think that bodes well for the sector as a whole.
Tanya Jakusconek: ... Okay, and then we've seen some very big silver opportunities. Are there any smaller ones that fit that, $200 to 500 million range that you're seeing out there?
Tanya Jakusconek: ... Okay, and then we've seen some very big silver opportunities. Are there any smaller ones that fit that, $200 to 500 million range that you're seeing out there?
Speaker #5: Okay. And then we've seen some very big silver opportunities. Are there any smaller ones that fit that $200 to $500 million range that you're seeing out there?
Speaker #1: Yeah. And again, I wouldn't consider 2 to 500 to be small for a company of Triple Flag size. That'd be quite meaningful. There's silver opportunities.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, and again, I wouldn't consider 200 to 500 to be small for a company of Triple Flag size. That'd be quite meaningful. There's silver opportunities; there's also gold opportunities out there. You know, I think our focus is always probably gold first, silver second. But you know, we like precious metals, and you know, if it's a good silver asset or a good gold asset, we really want to be on good assets with good operators.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, and again, I wouldn't consider 200 to 500 to be small for a company of Triple Flag size. That'd be quite meaningful. There's silver opportunities; there's also gold opportunities out there. You know, I think our focus is always probably gold first, silver second. But you know, we like precious metals, and you know, if it's a good silver asset or a good gold asset, we really want to be on good assets with good operators.
Speaker #1: There's also gold opportunities out there. I think our focus has always probably been gold first, silver second. But we like precious metals. And if it's a good silver asset or a good old asset, we really want to be on good assets with good operators.
Tanya Jakusconek: Yeah, they take it. When I meant the smaller silver opportunities, that was relative to the $4.3 billion, so it was a relative.
Tanya Jakusconek: Yeah, they take it. When I meant the smaller silver opportunities, that was relative to the $4.3 billion, so it was a relative.
Speaker #6: Yeah. When I met the smallest silver opportunities, I was relative to the 4.3 billion. So it was a relative.
Speaker #1: Yeah. Most things are small relative to 4.3 billion. Yeah.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, most things are small relative to $4.3 billion. Yeah.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, most things are small relative to $4.3 billion. Yeah.
Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. All right, no worries. I'll leave the room for someone else to ask questions. Thank you for taking my, my question.
Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. All right, no worries. I'll leave the room for someone else to ask questions. Thank you for taking my, my question.
Speaker #6: Okay, all right. No worries. I'll leave the room for someone else to ask questions. Thank you for taking my questions.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Tanya.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thanks, Sonia.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thanks, Sonia.
Speaker #5: Next question comes from the line of Brian McArthur with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Desiree: Next question comes from the line of Brian MacArthur with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Brian MacArthur with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Speaker #7: Good morning. And thank you for taking my question. Could you just give us an update on ATO and maybe what you if you assumed any contribution this year?
Brian MacArthur: Good morning, and thank you for taking my question. Could you just give us an update on ATO and maybe what you assume, if you assumed any contribution this year? And then as you go out to 2030, what you're staking, i.e., expansion or baseline? If you just give us an update on that, it would be great. Thank you.
Brian MacArthur: Good morning, and thank you for taking my question. Could you just give us an update on ATO and maybe what you assume, if you assumed any contribution this year? And then as you go out to 2030, what you're staking, i.e., expansion or baseline? If you just give us an update on that, it would be great. Thank you.
Speaker #7: And then as you go out to '20, '30, what year thinking i.e., expansion or baseline? If you could just give us an update on that, it would be great.
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Yeah. Hi, Brian and Sheldon. I'll answer that one. Look, ATO is in litigation. We've been quite upfront with the market on that. We feel very confident in our position.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah. Hi, Brian, it's Sheldon. I'll answer that one. Like, look, ATO is in litigation. We've been quite upfront with the market on that. We feel very confident in our position. And you know, that process is kind of going through the court, so I can't say too much. But what I will say, and I think this is really pertinent, I'm glad you asked the question. We took it out of our 2026 guidance, and we took it out of the 2030 five-year as well. So that doesn't reflect our confidence and our position, but rather we just wanted to remove it as a potential distraction for investors to have to get a handle on.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah. Hi, Brian, it's Sheldon. I'll answer that one. Like, look, ATO is in litigation. We've been quite upfront with the market on that. We feel very confident in our position. And you know, that process is kind of going through the court, so I can't say too much. But what I will say, and I think this is really pertinent, I'm glad you asked the question. We took it out of our 2026 guidance, and we took it out of the 2030 five-year as well. So that doesn't reflect our confidence and our position, but rather we just wanted to remove it as a potential distraction for investors to have to get a handle on.
Speaker #1: And that process is kind of going through the courts, so I can't say too much. But what I will say—and I think this is really pertinent.
Speaker #1: I'm glad you asked the question. We took it out of our 2026 guidance. And we took it out of the 2030 five-year as well.
Speaker #1: So that doesn't reflect our confidence and our position. But rather, we just wanted to remove it as a potential distraction for investors to have to get a handle on.
Speaker #1: So when you look at those figures we put out for 2026 and for 2030, there's zero contribution from ATO in there. And ATO is only upside, not downside relative to those figures.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: So when you look at those figures we put out for 2026 and for 2030, there's 0 contribution from ATO in there, and ATO is only upside, not downside, relative to those figures.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: So when you look at those figures we put out for 2026 and for 2030, there's 0 contribution from ATO in there, and ATO is only upside, not downside, relative to those figures.
Speaker #7: Great. Thanks very much, Sheldon. Very clear.
Brian MacArthur: Great. Thanks very much, Sheldon. Very clear.
Brian MacArthur: Great. Thanks very much, Sheldon. Very clear.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Brian.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thanks, Brian.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thanks, Brian.
Desiree: That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to our CEO, Sheldon Vanderkooy.
Operator: That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to our CEO, Sheldon Vanderkooy.
Speaker #8: That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to our CEO, Sheldon Vanderkooy.
Speaker #1: Thank you very much. Really appreciated speaking with everyone. And looking forward to a great 2026. Bye.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thank you very much. Really appreciated speaking with everyone and looking forward to a great 2026. Bye.
Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thank you very much. Really appreciated speaking with everyone and looking forward to a great 2026. Bye.
Desiree: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining in. You may now disconnect.
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Speaker #5: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining in. You may now disconnect.
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