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Q4 2025 Orsted AS Earnings Call
Operator: At any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. Today's speakers are Group President and CEO, Rasmus Errboe, and CFO, Trond Westlie. Speakers, please begin.
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Speaker #1: Today's speakers are Group President and CEO Rasmus Errboe, and CFO Trond Westlie. Speakers, please begin.
Speaker #2: Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. 2025 has been a defining year for us. We have taken significant steps to solidify our financial foundation and improve the robustness of our business.
Rasmus Errboe: Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. 2025 has been a defining year for Ørsted. We have taken significant steps to solidify our financial foundation and improve the robustness of our business. At the outset of the year, we stepped away from our long-term capacity ambitions and established four strategic priorities to secure a more focused and competitive Ørsted. We have sharpened our strategy to focus on maintaining our global leadership position within offshore wind, with an emphasis on our core markets in Europe and select markets in APAC, where we have a distinct competitive advantage and can leverage our unique offshore wind capabilities. As the global leader in offshore wind, we will continue working with governments, industry, and investors to strengthen the conditions required to support future offshore wind development.
Speaker #2: At the outset of the year, we stepped away from our long-term capacity ambitions and established four strategic priorities to secure a more focused and competitive Bursten.
Speaker #2: We have sharpened our strategy to focus on maintaining our global leadership position within offshore wind, with an emphasis on our core markets in Europe and select markets in APAC, where we have a distinct competitive advantage and can leverage our unique offshore wind capabilities.
Speaker #2: As the global leader in offshore wind, we will continue working with governments, industry, and investors to strengthen the conditions required to support future offshore wind development.
Speaker #2: At the recent North Sea Summit in Hamburg Monday last week, governments in our core markets demonstrated their willingness to strengthen these conditions when they signed the Joint Offshore Wind Investment Pact for the North Seas, alongside the wind industry and transmission system operators.
Rasmus Errboe: At the recent North Sea Summit in Hamburg, Monday last week, governments in our core markets demonstrated their willingness to strengthen these conditions when they signed the Joint Offshore Wind Investment Pact for the North Seas, alongside the wind industry and transmission system operators. The pact will turn the North Sea into the green power plant of Europe, reaffirming 300 gigawatt of offshore wind capacity by 2050, and charting a path of more evenly distributed offshore build-out between 2031 and 2040, with up to 15 gigawatt installed capacity per year in Europe. Which includes a sound investment framework for offshore renewables through mechanisms such as national and cross-border two-sided contracts for difference. This will unlock massive investments in Europe in the coming decades, and is a giant leap towards powering Europe with renewables, secure, and cost-competitive electricity.
Speaker #2: The pact will turn the North Sea into the green power plant of Europe, reaffirming 300 gigawatts of offshore wind capacity by 2050 and charting a path of more evenly distributed offshore buildout between 2031 and 2040, with up to 15 gigawatts installed capacity per year in Europe. This includes a sound investment framework for offshore renewables through mechanisms such as national and cross-border two-sided contracts for difference.
Speaker #2: This will unlock massive investments in Europe in the coming decades, and is a giant leap towards powering Europe with renewables, secure, and cost-competitive electricity.
Speaker #2: Further, the agreement between the Danish and German government to develop the Bornholm Energy Island will strengthen energy security and deliver enough affordable electricity to power the equivalent of more than 3 million German and Danish homes.
Rasmus Errboe: Further, the agreement between the Danish and German government to develop the Bornholm Energy Island will strengthen energy security and deliver enough affordable electricity to power the equivalent of more than 3 million German and Danish homes. The agreement reached at the North Sea Summit are very positive, framework developments for future offshore wind opportunities in Europe, and with our focused strategy on offshore wind in Europe, we are ready to invest in the build-out. Throughout 2025, we have executed on our four strategic priorities, and these will remain our focus over the coming years. Let me go through our progress across each priority. Our first priority is to strengthen our capital structure, and we have delivered significant progress on this during 2025.
Speaker #2: The agreement reached at the North Sea Summit is very positive framework developments for future offshore wind opportunities in Europe, and with our focused strategy on offshore wind in Europe, we are ready to invest in the buildout.
Speaker #2: Throughout 2025, we have executed on our four strategic priorities, and these will remain our focus over the coming years. Let me go through our progress across each priority.
Speaker #2: Our first priority is to strengthen our capital structure. And we progress on this during 2025. A key part was the completion of the rights issue and we are thankful for the strong support we received from our shareholders.
Rasmus Errboe: A key part was the completion of the rights issue, and we are thankful for the strong support we received from our shareholders. The completion of the rights issue supports our target of a solid investment-grade rating, and it is, and it has reinforced our ability to realize the full value potential of our existing portfolio and capture future value-creating offshore wind opportunities. As part of the updated targets presented in connection with the rights issue, we planned to secure more than DKK 35 billion in proceeds through our partnership and divestment program across 2025 and 2026. The transactions signed during 2025 and early into this year amount to around DKK 46 billion in proceeds, and we have thus exceeded our projections and finalized the program ahead of our expected timeline.
Speaker #2: The completion of the rights issue supports our target of a solid investment-grade rating and it has reinforced our ability to realize the full value potential of our existing portfolio and capture future value-creating offshore wind opportunities.
Speaker #2: As part of the updated targets presented in connection with the rights issue, we plan to secure more than 35 billion in proceeds through our partnership and divestment program across 2025 and 2026.
Speaker #2: The transactions signed during 2025 and early into this year amount to around 46 billion in proceeds and we have thus exceeded our projections and finalized the program ahead of our expected timeline.
Speaker #2: Pending closing in 2026 of the transactions already signed related to Greater Chang'e 2 and our European onshore business, this includes the closing of divestments related to stakes in Hornsea 3 and West of Dutton projects.
Rasmus Errboe: Pending closing in 2026 of the transactions already signed related to Greater Changhua 2 and our European onshore business, this includes the closing of divestments related to stakes in Hornsea 3, West of Duddon Sands, and three US onshore projects. Another important element in supporting our capital structure and financial foundation is the continued performance of our operational portfolio. Despite wind speeds below the norm throughout the year, we have delivered DKK 25.1 billion of EBITDA in line with our guidance. This is mainly driven by an increase in the availability across our offshore portfolio due to strong performance every single night and day by our generation team. Our second priority is to deliver on our 8.1GW offshore wind construction portfolio, and we have seen significant progress across the portfolio throughout 2025.
Speaker #2: Another important element in supporting our capital structure and financial foundation is the continued performance of our operational portfolio. Despite wind speeds below the norm throughout the year, we have delivered DKK 25.1 billion of EBITDA, in line with our guidance.
Speaker #2: This is mainly driven by an increase in availability across our offshore portfolio due to strong performance every single night and day by our generation team.
Speaker #2: Our second priority is to deliver on our 8.1 gigawatt offshore wind construction portfolio. And we have seen significant progress across the portfolio throughout 2025.
Speaker #2: Some of the major milestones achieved include the commissioning of Goodwin 3, as well as delivering first power at Borgum Riftcon 3 in Germany and in Taiwan.
Rasmus Errboe: Some of the major milestones achieved include the commissioning of Gode Wind 3, as well as delivering first power at Borkum Riffgrund 3 in Germany. And in Taiwan, we have completed the installation of turbines and delivered first power at Greater Changhua 2b and 4. In the US, we have progressed well on several installation scopes, including completing the installation of all 3 offshore substations for our 2 projects.... All of these milestones are delivered under complex and dynamic conditions, and are attributable to a strong risk and execution management by our EPC organization and our project teams.
Speaker #2: We have completed the installation of turbines and delivered first power at Greater Chang'e 2B and 4. In the US, we have progressed well on several installation scopes, including completing the installation of all three offshore substations for our two projects.
Speaker #2: All of these milestones are delivered under complex and dynamic conditions and are attributable to a strong risk and execution management by our EPC organization and our projects teams.
Speaker #2: I will shortly go through the continued construction progress in detail. But first, I want to touch on the least suspension orders that our two offshore US offshore projects Revolution Wind and Sunrise Wind received from the US Department of the Interior, BOEM, requiring the projects to suspend all ongoing activities on the outer continental shelf for the following 90 days.
Rasmus Errboe: I will shortly go through the continued construction progress in detail, but first, I want to touch on the lease suspension orders that our two offshore US offshore projects, Revolution Wind and Sunrise Wind, received from the US Department of the Interior, BOEM, requiring the projects to suspend all ongoing activities on the outer continental shelf for the following 90 days. Both project companies pursued litigation in the US District Court of the District of Columbia separately, including motions for preliminary injunctions against the orders while the lawsuits over them proceed. Revolution Wind's motion for preliminary injunction was granted on 12 January 2026, and Sunrise Wind's motion for a preliminary injunction was granted on 2 February 2026.
Speaker #2: Both project companies pursued litigation in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia separately, including motions for preliminary injunctions against the orders while the lawsuits over them proceed.
Speaker #2: Revolution Wind's motion for preliminary injunction was granted on January 12th, 2026, and Sunrise Wind's motion for a preliminary injunction was granted on February 2nd, 2026.
Rasmus Errboe: Both projects have subsequently resumed work of the halted activities while their lawsuits over the orders proceed, and we are determining how it may be possible to work with the US administration to achieve an expeditious and durable solution. Our third priority is to ensure a focused and disciplined approach to capital allocation, always prioritizing value over volume, with a strategic emphasis on offshore wind opportunities in Europe and select markets in APAC. During the year, we demonstrated this disciplined approach in relation to Hornsea 4, which we are now reconfiguring for potential future development. The decision was taken prior to incurring significant breakaway costs, and we continue to hold the seabed lease, grid connection, and key permits. In November, we secured the rights under the Irish tender to develop the 900MW fixed-bottom offshore wind farm, Tonn Nua, alongside with our partner, ESB.
Speaker #2: projects have subsequently resumed Both work of the halted activities while their lawsuits over the orders proceed. And we are determining how it may be possible to work with the US administration to achieve an expeditious and durable solution.
Speaker #2: Our third priority is to ensure a focused and disciplined approach to capital allocation, always prioritizing value over volume, with a strategic emphasis on offshore wind opportunities in Europe and select markets in APAC.
Speaker #2: During the year, we demonstrated this disciplined approach in relation to Hornsea 4, which we are now reconfiguring for potential future development. The decision was taken prior to incurring significant breakaway costs, and we continue to hold the seabed lease, grid connection, and key permits.
Speaker #2: In November, we secured the rights under the IRIS tender to develop the 900 megawatt fixed-bottom offshore wind farm TONUA alongside with our partner ESB.
Speaker #2: As a potential final investment decision will not be until the early 2030s, this is an early-stage opportunity, and the project needs to be assessed and matured through our stage gate process, including meeting our value creation criteria.
Rasmus Errboe: As a potential final investment decision will not be until early 2030s, this is an early-stage opportunity, and the project needs to be assessed and matured through our stage gate process, including meeting our value creation criteria. Finally, on our fourth priority, we have also taken steps in improving our competitiveness with the announcements of significant adjustments to our organization. Due to the sharpened strategic focus of our business going forward, and the fact that we'll be finalizing our large construction portfolio in the coming years, we will adjust our organization accordingly to become more efficient and flexible. Let's turn to slide 5, where we'll talk through some of the operational highlights for the full year.
Speaker #2: Finally, on our fourth priority, we have also taken steps in improving our competitiveness with the announcements of significant adjustments to our sharpened strategic focus of our business going forward, and the fact that we will be finalizing our large construction portfolio in the coming years. We will adjust our organization accordingly to become more efficient and flexible.
Speaker #2: Let's turn to the operational highlights for the full year. First, I am pleased with the operational performance, with our EBITDA excluding new partnerships and cancellation fees amounting to DKK 25.1 billion for the full year.
Rasmus Errboe: First, I am pleased with the operational performance with our EBITDA, excluding new partnerships and cancellation fees, amounting to DKK 25.1 billion for the full year, driven by strong availability rates within our offshore business, which stood at 93% for the full year. This ensured a material earnings contribution and is an increase of five percentage points compared to last year. Also, we delivered a net profit of DKK 3.2 billion, primarily driven by the solid operational performance in the year. For several years, we have had a target that renewables should consist of 99% of our generation by 2025, and I'm very pleased that we reached this ambition, or this ambitious target, in 2025. The increased share of renewable was driven by the closing of our last coal-fired CHP plant in the second half of 2024.
Speaker #2: Driven by strong availability rates within our offshore business, which stood at 93% for the full year. This ensured a material earnings contribution and is an increase of 5 percentage points compared to last year.
Speaker #2: Also, we delivered a net profit of $3.2 billion, primarily driven by the solid operational performance in the year. For several years, we have had a target that renewables should consist of 99% of our generation by 2025.
Speaker #2: And I'm very pleased that we reached this ambition or this ambitious target in 2025. The increased share of renewables was driven by the closing of our last coal-fired CHP plant in the second half of year where we became the first energy company to complete a green production.
Rasmus Errboe: Furthermore, 2025 was the year where we became the first energy company to complete a green transformation of its own energy production. We have reduced scopes one and two emissions intensity by more than 98% since the beginning of our transformation in 2006. We will continue our decarbonization journey, focusing on reducing our upstream and downstream carbon emissions to deliver on our 2040 net zero target. Lastly, with our continued focus on safety, we reduced the total recordable injury rate to 2.5 in 2025. It is the fourth year in a row that we reduced our total recordable injury rate, and we continue to strengthen our safety commitments through targeted initiatives and sharing of best practices with suppliers, all aimed at lowering the incident rate and bringing our people home safe every day.
Speaker #2: Transformation of its own energy: We have reduced Scope 1 and 2 emissions intensity by more than 98% since the beginning of our transformation in 2006.
Speaker #2: We will continue our decarbonization journey, focusing on reducing our upstream and downstream carbon emissions to deliver on our 2040 net zero target. Lastly, with our continued focus on safety, we reduced the total recordable injury rate to 2.5 in 2025.
Speaker #2: It is the fourth year in a row that we reduced our total recordable injury rate, and we continue to strengthen our safety commitments through targeted initiatives and sharing of best practices with suppliers, all aimed at lowering the incident rate and bringing our people home safe every day.
Speaker #2: Let's turn to slide six and an overview of our construction projects. I will cover the more advanced projects individually and in more detail, as usual, on the next slides, while putting a few remarks on the remainder of the construction portfolio here.
Rasmus Errboe: Let's turn to slide 6 and an overview of our construction projects. I will cover the more advanced projects individually and in more details as usual on the next slides, while putting a few remarks on the remainder of the construction portfolio here. For Borkum Riffgrund 3, all offshore installation works have been completed. The grid connection has been commissioned by the transmission system operator and was announced ready for first feed in early Q4 2025. First power was achieved early December, according to plan. Turbine commissioning is ongoing and progressing according to schedule, and the project is expected to be fully commissioned towards the end of Q1 2026. For Hornsea 3, construction is progressing according to schedule. The onshore works at the landfall cable route and converter stations remain on track.
Speaker #2: For Borkum Riffgrund 3, all offshore installation works have been completed. The grid connection has been commissioned by the transmission system operator and was announced ready for first feed-in early Q4 2025.
Speaker #2: First power was achieved early December according to plan. Turbine commissioning is ongoing and progressing according to schedule, and the project is expected to be fully commissioned towards the end of Q1 2026.
Speaker #2: For Hornsea 3, construction is progressing according to schedule. The onshore works at the landfall cable route and converter stations remain on track. For the offshore scope, the project will be using two HVDC offshore converter stations.
Rasmus Errboe: For the offshore scope, the project will be using two HVDC offshore converter stations. The first platform is undergoing final equipment installation in Norway, which is progressing well, and the second platform arrived in Norway from the fabrication yard in Thailand in December to complete the same final works. Our turbine and foundation installation partners have taken delivery of their new build installation vessels, and we have started offshore activities preparing the seabed for export and array cable installation. We continue to closely monitor a number of items related to the delivery of the project. This includes the schedule of the project's grid connection, where we are working closely with National Grid on our onshore grid connection works to support commissioning this year.
Speaker #2: The first platform is undergoing final equipment installation in Norway, which is progressing well. The second platform arrived in Norway from the fabrication yard in Thailand in December.
Speaker #2: To complete the same final works, our turbine and foundation installation partners have taken delivery of their new-built installation vessels, and we have started offshore activities preparing the seabed for export and array cable installation.
Speaker #2: We continue to closely monitor a number of items related to the delivery of the project. This includes the schedule of the project's grid connection, where we are working closely with National Grid on our onshore grid connection works to support commissioning this year.
Speaker #2: Further, we continue to focus on manufacturing turbine monopile foundations to ensure they are delivered according to plan, enabling us to commence installation in spring 2026.
Rasmus Errboe: Further, we continue to focus on manufacturing of turbine monopile foundations to ensure they are delivered according to plan, enabling us to commence installation in spring 2026. The manufacturing has started as planned, and two suppliers have started to deliver completed monopiles, the first of which have arrived in Teesport, ready for mobilization. There are multiple suppliers contracted for the scope, and if relevant, we can utilize the flexibility gained from this to mitigate risks, should they occur. Next steps in the project will be the commencement of the main offshore installation activities, starting with the installation of the offshore export cables, the first offshore converter station, as well as foundation installation. For Baltica 2, the project is progressing on schedule as we move towards offshore construction.
Speaker #2: The manufacturing has started as planned, and two suppliers have started to deliver completed monopiles, the first of which have arrived in Tport, ready for mobilization.
Speaker #2: There are multiple suppliers contracted for the scope, and if relevant, we can utilize the flexibility gained from this to mitigate risks should they occur.
Speaker #2: Next steps in the project will be the commencement of the main offshore installation activities, starting with the installation of the offshore export cables, the first offshore converter station, as well as foundation installation.
Speaker #2: For Baltica 2, the project is progressing on schedule as we move towards offshore construction. There has been good progress in the recent quarter, and the degree of completion has increased to 25%, up from 15% last quarter.
Rasmus Errboe: There has been good progress in the recent quarter, and the degree of completion has increased to 25%, up from 15% last quarter. This includes further progress on the manufacturing of the 4 offshore substations and further fabrication on the turbine foundations, with 48 of the 111 turbine foundations fabricated at this stage. The fabrication of the export cable has also commenced. For the onshore substation, majority of the equipment have been delivered to the sites, and onshore export cable installation is on schedule, supporting timely grid integration milestones. The project team is focused on ensuring progress of the transmission system, fabrication of the key components, and the onshore and offshore substations. Next steps are the preparation of the seabed ahead of turbine foundation installation, which is planned to start during Q2 this year.
Speaker #2: This includes further progress on four offshore substations and further fabrication on the turbines, and on the manufacturing of the 111 turbine foundations, with 48 fabricated at this stage.
Speaker #2: The fabrication of the export cable has also commenced. For the onshore substation, majority of the equipment have been delivered to the sites, and onshore export cable installation is on schedule supporting timely grid integration milestones.
Speaker #2: The project team is focused on ensuring progress of the transmission system, fabrication of the key components, and the onshore and offshore substations. Next steps are the preparation of the seabed ahead of turbine foundation installation, which is planned to start during Q2 this year.
Speaker #2: The installation of the offshore substations will also start towards the end of this year. Turning to slide seven and an update on our Greater Chang'e 2 BN4 project in Taiwan.
Rasmus Errboe: The installation of the offshore substations will also start towards the end of this year. Turning to slide seven, and an update on our Greater Changhua 2b and 4 project in Taiwan. With the progress achieved during the quarter, the degree of completion is now at 75%, up from 65% at Q3. The project achieved a major milestone during the quarter, as the installation of turbines was completed for the project. At this stage, 17 of the 66 turbines has been commissioned and are producing power, and the commissioning works of the remaining turbines is ongoing. The project remains focused on the installation and energization of the remaining array cables. At this point, 57 out of the 66 array cables have been installed, and it is the expectation that the remaining array cables will be installed during Q1.
Speaker #2: With the progress achieved during the quarter, the degree of completion is now at 75%, up from 65% at Q3. The project achieved a major milestone during the quarter, as the installation of turbines was completed for the project.
Speaker #2: At this stage, 17 of the 66 turbines have been commissioned, and are producing power. And the commissioning works of the remaining turbines is ongoing.
Speaker #2: The project remains focused on the installation and energization of the remaining array cables. At this point, 57 out of the 66 array cables have been installed, and it is the expectation that the remaining array cables will be installed during the first quarter.
Speaker #2: Also, the project will resume works to replace the export cable for the Greater Chang'e 2B section. Onshore work related to this is ongoing, and the replacement work offshore will commence during the summer.
Rasmus Errboe: Also, the project will resume works to replace the export cable for the Greater Changhua 2b section. Onshore work related to this is ongoing, and the replacement work offshore will commence during the summer. The project remains on schedule for commissioning during Q3 2026. Turning to slide 8, and an update on our Northeast program, starting with Revolution Wind. Despite offshore construction being on pause for 3 weeks due to the suspension order, Revolution Wind continues to make progress, and the degree of completion has increased to approximately 87%, up from 85% in Q3 2024. Five, sorry. During the quarter, all remaining array cables were installed. The export cables, interlink cable, and both offshore substations have now been energized. At this stage, 59 of the 65 turbines have been installed.
Speaker #2: The project remains on schedule for commissioning during Q3 2026. Turning to slide eight and an update on our Northeast program, starting with Revolution Wind.
Speaker #2: Despite offshore construction being on pause for three weeks due to the suspension order, Revolution Wind continues to make progress, and the degree of completion has increased to approximately 87%, up from 85% in Q3 2024.
Speaker #2: Five, sorry. During the quarter, all remaining array cables were installed. The export cables, interlink cable, and both offshore substations have now been energized. At this stage, 59 of the 65 turbines have been installed.
Speaker #2: In the coming period, the project will focus on completing installation of the remaining turbines and continue ongoing commissioning activities. Third power for the project is expected within weeks.
Rasmus Errboe: In the coming period, the project will focus on completing installation of the remaining turbines and continue ongoing commissioning activities. First power for the project is expected within weeks. Turning to slide 9, and an update on the progress at Sunrise Wind. During the quarter, despite offshore construction being paused for six weeks, due to the suspension order, the project has made progress, illustrated by the degree of completion increasing to 45%, up from 40% in the third quarter. The first installation campaign of turbine foundations has been completed according to plan, with 44 of the 84 turbine foundations installed. Onshore construction and commissioning are progressing well. The onshore portion of the export cable has been installed and jointed, and the nearshore section of the export cable was successfully installed.
Speaker #2: Turning to slide nine and an update on the progress at Sunrise: despite offshore construction being paused for six weeks due to the suspension order, the project has made progress, illustrated by the degree of completion increasing to 45%, up from 40% in the third quarter.
Speaker #2: The first installation campaign of turbine foundations has been completed according to plan, with 44 of the 84 turbine foundations installed. Onshore construction and commissioning are progressing well.
Speaker #2: The onshore portion of the export cable has been installed and jointed, and the nearshore section of the export cable was successfully installed. In terms of fabrication, all turbine foundations, array cables, and the remaining sections of the export cable are now complete.
Rasmus Errboe: In terms of fabrication, all turbine foundations, array cables, and the remaining sections of the export cable are now complete. All turbine towers and nacelles have been fabricated, and the majority of blade sets have been fabricated, with the remaining sets progressing according to plan. In the coming period, the project's focus is on resuming halted activities with safety as a top priority. This includes the offshore installation of the mid and far shore section of the export cable. The project is working diligently to maintain the installation schedule, which includes first power in the second half of this year and commissioning of the project in the second half of 2027. Turning to slide 10, and an outlook for our deliveries in 2026.
Speaker #2: All turbine towers and the cells have been fabricated, and the majority of blade sets have been fabricated, with the remaining sets progressing according to plan.
Speaker #2: In the coming period, the project's focus is on resuming halted activities, with safety as a top priority. This includes the offshore installation of the mid and far shore section of the export cable.
Speaker #2: The project is working diligently to maintain the installation schedule, which includes first power in the second half of this year and commissioning of the project in the second half of 2027.
Speaker #2: Turning to slide 10 and an outlook for our deliveries in 2026. We will continue to focus on delivering on our strategic priorities over the coming years.
Rasmus Errboe: We will continue to focus on delivering on our strategic priorities over the coming years, as this will improve our financial foundation and ensure that we can compete from a position of strength for new offshore wind opportunities in our core markets. Specifically, in 2026, we will continue to have a very significant focus on our generation and ensure that we deliver in line with our expectations. We will be commissioning more than 2.5GW offshore wind capacity across three continents, and for the remainder of our construction projects, we will continue our efforts building on the solid progress achieved during 2025. We will assess new opportunities within offshore wind across three avenues. First, is on the auction and tender front, where there are several relevant opportunities for us to assess during 2025 in our core markets.
Speaker #2: As this will improve our financial foundation and ensure that we can compete from a position of strength for new offshore wind opportunities in our core markets.
Speaker #2: Specifically, in 2026, we will continue to have a very significant focus on our generation and ensure that we deliver in line with our expectations.
Speaker #2: We will be commissioning more than 2.5 gigawatts of offshore wind capacity across three continents, and for the remainder of our construction projects, we will continue our efforts, building on the solid progress achieved during 2025.
Speaker #2: We will assess new opportunities within offshore wind across three avenues. First, is on the auction and tender front, where there are several relevant opportunities for us to assess during 2025, in our core 2027 and onwards, we are expecting a markets.
Speaker #2: And from a material step change in terms of the number of auctions. Second, we will continue maturing our proprietary pipeline and bring the projects forward if the value creation is there.
Rasmus Errboe: From 2027 and onwards, we are expecting a material step change in terms of the number of auctions. Second, we will continue maturing our proprietary pipeline and bring the projects forward if the value creation is there. Thirdly, we continue to assess the potential for any project-specific collaborations. Those will remain the buckets that we are looking for when we think about offshore wind growth and filling our pipeline for the back end of this decade and onwards. We will be patient, and we will prioritize value over volume. To support this, we will further progress on measures to improve our competitiveness. This includes the initiatives within our trading and revenue function, as well as our generation organization. In addition, we will deliver according to plan on our announced adjustments to our organization, so it will become more efficient and flexible.
Speaker #2: And thirdly, we continue to assess the potential for any project-specific collaborations. Those will remain the buckets that we are looking for when we think about offshore wind growth and filling our pipeline for the back end of this decade and onwards.
Speaker #2: We will be patient, and we will prioritize value over volume. To support this, we will further progress on measures to improve our competitiveness. This includes the initiatives within our trading and revenue function, as well as our generation organization.
Speaker #2: In addition, we will deliver according to plan on our announced adjustments to our organization, so it will become more efficient and flexible. With this, let me hand over to you, Todd.
Rasmus Errboe: With this, let me hand over to you, Todd.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Rasmus, and good afternoon from me as well, everyone. As always, unless I state otherwise, the numbers I refer to will be in Danish kroner.
Trond Westlie: Thank you, Rasmus, and good afternoon from me as well, everyone. As always, unless I state otherwise, the numbers I refer to will be in Danish kroners. Then let's turn to slide 8, the EBITDA for 25. For the full year, we had a solid operational performance and delivered EBITDA, excluding new partnerships and cancellation fees, of DKK 25.1 billion, as Rasmus previously said, and this is in line with our guidance for the year. Let me walk you through the main development. For our offshore business, the overall site's earnings came in DKK 500 million higher compared to last year. This was driven by higher availability rates, ramp-up generation for Gode Wind 3, and compensation at Borkum Riffgrund 3, leading to an increase of approximately DKK 1.5 billion.
Speaker #2: And then let's turn to slide eight and the EBITDA for '25. For the full year, we had a solid operational performance and delivered EBITDA excluding new partnerships and cancellation fees of 25.1 billion, as Rasmus previously said.
Speaker #2: And this is in line with our guidance for the year. Let me walk you through the main development. For our offshore business, the overall site earnings came in $500 million higher compared to last year.
Speaker #2: This was driven by higher availability rates, ramp-up generation for godevind 3, Rifgrunn 3 leading and compensation at Borkum to an increased of approximately 1.5 billion.
Speaker #2: This was to a large extent offset by the lower wind speeds, lower earnings by approximately 1 billion compared to 2024. Earnings within partnership increased compared to last year, as negative effects in '24 were not repeated to the same extent in '25.
Trond Westlie: This was, to a large extent, offset by the lower wind speeds, lower earnings by approximately DKK 1 billion compared to 2024. Earnings within partnership increased compared to last year, as negative effects in 2024 were not repeated to the same extent in 2025. For other costs in offshore, there was an increase, primarily driven by changes in cost allocation methodology with no impact on the total EBITDA. In our offshore business, onshore business, sorry, earnings increased by approximately DKK 200 million compared to last year. The increase was due to the ramp-up of generation at Sparta Solar, Eleven Mile, and Mockingbird, partly offset by the farm down over the same projects. Within bioenergy and other earnings in our combined heat and power business increased by approximately DKK 300 million, driven by the higher achieved prices and improved spreads, only partly offset by lower generation.
Speaker #2: For other costs in offshore, there was an increase primarily driven by changes in cost allocation methodology, with no impact to the total EBITDA. In our onshore business, earnings increased by approximately $200 million compared to last year.
Speaker #2: The increase was due to the ramp-up of generation at Sparta Solar, 11 Mile, and Mockingbird, partly offset by the farm-down of the same projects.
Speaker #2: Within bioenergy and other, earnings in our combined heat and power business increased by approximately 300 million, driven by the higher achieved prices and improved spreads.
Speaker #2: Only partly offset by lower generation. Earnings in our gas business increased by approximately $300 million, mainly driven by our off-take contract with the Danish Underground Consortium and its ramp-up production from the Tyra field.
Trond Westlie: Earnings in our gas business increased by approximately DKK 300 million, mainly driven from our offtake contract with the Danish Underground Consortium and its ramp-up production from the Tyra field. The negative effect from other was mainly due to a provision for severance payment relating to the right sizing of the organization initiated in Q4. The total impact of severance payment and provisioning amount to approximately DKK 750 million in 2025, and covers the period of the executions in 2025 through 2028. Let's turn to slide 13 and our guidance for 2026. For the full year of 2026, we expect an EBITDA more than DKK 28 billion. Let me go through the expected drivers for the different segments. In our offshore business, overall earnings are expected to be higher in 2026.
Speaker #2: The negative effect from other was mainly due to a provision for severance payment relating to the right-sizing of the organization initiated in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: The total impact of severance payment and provision amounts to approximately $750 million in '25 and covers the period of the executions in '25 through '28.
Speaker #2: Let's turn to slide 13 and our guidance for '26. For the full year of '26, we expect an EBITDA of more than 28 billion. Let me go through the expected drivers for the different segments.
Speaker #2: In our offshore business, overall earnings are expected to be higher in '26. Our offshore side will benefit from ramp-up generation of greater Changwa 2B and 4 and revolution wind, and wind speeds in line with historical averages whereas 2025 was below historical averages.
Trond Westlie: Our offshore site will benefit from ramp-up generation of Greater Changhua 2b and 4, and Revolution Wind, and wind speeds in line with historical averages, whereas 2025 was below historical averages. This is expected to be offset by lower market prices, lower earnings from trading activities, and subsidies stepped down for Borkum Riffgrund 3, as well as Gode Wind 1 and 2, stepping out of subsidy, leading to expected site earnings to be in line with the 2025 level. We expect earnings from existing partnerships to increase compared to 2025, mainly driven by construction agreement at Hornsea 3. Within our offshore business, we anticipate lower expense project development costs, as well as lower fixed costs. For our onshore business, we expect earnings to be in line with 2025.
Speaker #2: This is expected to be offset by lower market prices, lower earnings from trading activities, and subsidy step down for Borkum Rifgrunn 3, as well as godevind 1 and 2 stepping out of subsidy.
Speaker #2: Leading to expected sites earning to be in line with the 25 level. We expect earning from existing partnerships to increase compared to '25, mainly driven Hornsea 3.
Speaker #2: Within our offshore business, we anticipate lower expense project development cost as well as lower fixed cost. For our onshore business, we expect earnings to be in line with '25.
Speaker #2: This is driven by the ramp-up of generation from new assets, offset by the divestment of the European onshore business, which we expect to close during the second quarter this year.
Trond Westlie: This is driven by the ramp-up of generation from new assets, offset by divestment of European onshore business, which we expect to close during Q2 this year. For our bioenergy segment, we expect earnings to be in line with 2025. The gross investments for 2026 are expected to amount to DKK 50 to 55 billion, which is in line with our previously expected investment level. Furthermore, our committed capital of approximately DKK 145 billion for the period 2025 through 2027 remains unchanged, as this already accounts for the planned divestments of the European onshore business. Let's turn to slide 14. In the Q4 of 2025, our EBITDA, excluding new partnership and cancellation fees, amounted to DKK 8.1 billion, which represents an increase of approximately DKK 500 million.
Speaker #2: For our bioenergy segment, we expect earnings to be in line with '25. The gross investments for '26 are expected to amount to 50 to 55 billion.
Speaker #2: This is in line with our previously expected investment level. Furthermore, our commitment capital of approximately DKK 145 billion for the period 2025 through '27 remains unchanged.
Speaker #2: As this already accounts for the planned divestments of the European onshore business. Let's turn to slide 14. In the fourth quarter of '25, our EBITDA excluding new partnership and cancellation fees amounted to 8.1 billion.
Speaker #2: This represents an increase of approximately 500 million. This was driven by the offshore business, where earnings increased compared to last year due to higher wind speeds as well as lower fixed cost levels.
Trond Westlie: This was driven by the offshore business, where earnings increased compared to last year due to higher wind speeds, as well as lower fix-fixed cost levels. Our net profit for the quarter total a negative of DKK 3.4 billion. This was impacted by the negative non-cash EBITDA impact from the closing of the Hornsea 3 transaction and the impairment that has been recognized following the lease suspension orders to our two projects in the US, as well as the sale of our European onshore business. As part of closing the Hornsea 3 transaction, we have recognized a non-cash impact of DKK 4.8 billion to reflect the accounting net present value effect of the asymmetric distribution structure. The impact was rebased upon closing, as the project was slightly less advanced compared to our expectation at the time of signing. The underlying transaction structure and valuation remains the same.
Speaker #2: Our net profit for the quarter totaled a negative $3.4 billion. This was impacted by the negative non-cash EBITDA Hornsea 3 transaction, and the impairment that has been recognized following the lease suspension orders to our two projects in the US, as well as the sale of our European onshore business.
Speaker #2: As part of closing the Hornsea 3 transaction, we have recognized a non-cash impact of $4.8 billion to reflect the accounting net present value effect of the asymmetric distribution structure.
Speaker #2: The impact was rebased upon closing, as the project was slightly less advanced compared to our expectation at the time of signing. The underlying transaction structure and valuation remain the same.
Speaker #2: The lease suspension order has resulted in increased cost due to anticipated extension of contracts for both our projects, leading to an impairment of approximately $600 million in the fourth quarter of '25.
Trond Westlie: The lease suspension order has resulted in increased costs due to anticipated extension contracts for both our projects, leading to an impairment of approximately DKK 600 million in Q4 2025. As part of the decision to divest the European onshore business, we have reassessed the book value of the segment. In previous acquisitions of the business, we have recognized goodwill in our accounts, and as part of the decision to undertake the divestment, this has been written off, leading to an impairment of DKK 1.6 billion. Adjusted for impairments and cancellation fees, our return, our return on capital employed, ROCE, came in at 8.4%, which is a decrease compared to last year, driven by an increase in capital employed. The reported ROCE came in at 5.4%.
Speaker #2: As part of the decision to divest the European onshore business, we have reassessed the book value of the previous acquisitions of the business. We have recognized goodwill in our accounts, and as part of the decision to undertake the divestment, this has been written off, leading to an impairment of $1.6 billion.
Speaker #2: Adjusted for impairments and cancellation fees are return on capital employed (ROCE) came in at decrease compared to last year driven by an increase in capital employed.
Speaker #2: The reported ROCE came in at 5.4%. We had expected that '25 ROCE would be lower than the ROCE in '26 and '27. However, it has come in lower than expected, primarily driven by the impairments relating to the suspension order on Revolution Wind and Sunrise Wind, and the impairment of goodwill relating to the divestment of Ørsted's European onshore business.
Trond Westlie: We had expected that 2025 ROCE would be lower than the ROCE in 2026 and 2027. However, it has come in lower than expected, primarily driven by the impairments relating to the suspension order on Revolution Wind and Sunrise Wind, and the impairment of goodwill related to the divestment of Ørsted's European onshore business. Our target for average ROCE for 2026 and 2027 is to be around 11% and above 13% for the period 2028 to 2030. With the expected improvement of ROCE in 2026 and 2027, primarily driven by increased operational earnings coming from the commissioning of the projects that we are currently constructing. Let's turn to slide 15, and our net interest-bearing debt and credit metrics.
Speaker #2: Our target for average ROCE for '26 and '27 is to be around 11%, and above 13% for the period '28 to '30. With the expected improvement of ROCE in '26 and '27, primarily driven by increased operational earnings coming from the commissioning of the projects that we are currently constructing.
Speaker #2: Let's turn to slide 15 and our net interest-bearing debt and credit metrics. At the end of Q4 '25, our net debt amounted to 19 billion.
Trond Westlie: At the end of Q4 2025, our net debt amounted to DKK 19 billion, representing a decrease of approximately DKK 64 billion during the quarter, which was primarily driven by the proceeds received from the closing of the rights issue. Cash flow from operating activities include contribution from our operational earnings, as well as payments related to both the divestment of 50% stake in Hornsea 3, transmission assets, and the construction agreement that was entered into as part of the divestment. For the divestments, this includes payment under the SPA agreement relating to Hornsea 3 divestment, as well as the divestment of a stake in Badger Wind, US. Our gross investments amounted to DKK 15.1 billion, reflecting the continued investment into our renewable construction projects.
Speaker #2: Representing a decrease of approximately 64 billion during the quarter. Which was primarily driven by the proceeds received from the closing of the rights issue.
Speaker #2: Cash flow from operating activities includes contribution from our operational earnings as well as payments related to both the divestment of 50% stake in Hornsea 3, transmission assets, and the construction agreement that was entered into as part of the divestment.
Speaker #2: For the divestments, this includes payment under the SPA agreement relating to Hornsea 3 divestment as well as the divestment of a stake in Badger Wind, US.
Speaker #2: Our gross investments amounted to 15.1 billion, reflecting the continued investment into our renewable construction projects. Our key metric, our key credit metric, the FFO to adjusted net debt, stood approximately at 43% at year end, reflecting a significant increase compared to previous years.
Trond Westlie: Our key metric, our key credit metric, the FFO to adjusted net debt, stood approximately at 43% at year-end, reflecting a significant increase compared to previous years. The increase is primarily driven by the proceeds of the rights issue and the closing of Hornsea 3 transaction, and is currently well above our target of 30%. Finally, let's turn to slide 6 and focus on our divestment program. With the closing of Hornsea 3 transaction, as well as signing, the signing of our Greater Changhua 2 farm down and the divestment of our European onshore business, we have successfully delivered on the partnership and divestment program, which we announced as part of our Q2 2025 update.
Speaker #2: The increase is primarily driven by the proceeds of the rights issue and the closing of Hornsea 3 transaction and is currently well above our target of 30%.
Speaker #2: And finally, let's turn to slide 6 and focus on our divestment program. With the closing of Hornsea 3 transaction as well as signing the signing of our greater Changwa 2 farm down and the divestment of our European onshore business, we have successfully delivered on the partnership and divestment program, which we announced as part of our second quarter '25 update.
Speaker #2: We had a target of delivering proceeds of more than 35 billion across the announced transactions and with securing proceeds of assets around 46 billion we have now ensured strong delivery on this.
Trond Westlie: We had a target of delivering proceeds of more than DKK 35 billion across the announced transactions, and with securing proceeds of assets around DKK 46 billion, we have now ensured strong delivery on this. In combination with the completion of the rights issue, this is a significant contribution to the strengthening of our capital structure, and it will ensure that we have a robust financial foundation throughout the coming years also to pursue new value-creating opportunities while we are delivering on our construction program. Upon completion, our projects will ensure significant contribution to increasing our financial headroom. With this, we have reduced our dependency on divestments of operational assets and will now be able to undertake a more value-creative and flexible approach to partnerships and farm downs going forward. And with that, we will now open for questions. Operator, please.
Speaker #2: In combination with the completion of the rights issue, this is a significant contribution to the strengthening of our capital structure and it will ensure that we have a robust financial foundation throughout the coming years.
Speaker #2: Also, to pursue new value creating opportunities, while we are delivering on our construction program. Upon completion of projects will ensure significant contribution to increasing our financial headroom.
Speaker #2: With this, we have reduced our dependency on divestments of operational assets and will now be able to undertake a more value creative and flexible approach to partnerships and farm downs going forward.
Speaker #2: And with that, we will now open for questions. Operator, please. This concludes the presentation, and we will now open for questions. This call will have to end no later than 15:30.
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Speaker #2: The first question comes from the line of Harry Weibert from BNP Paribas. Please go
Speaker #2: ahead. Hi, good afternoon, everyone.
[Analyst] (BNP Paribas): Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. It's on the North Sea agreement or the Hamburg agreement. Could you help me draw a line between the commitments that were made there, which are obviously huge, and the money that you expect to be put behind the CFD auctions? So I guess anyone who's familiar with AR 7 will be familiar with the concept of the pot size. Do you believe that governments in Europe or around the North Sea will put a big pot size behind these CFDs, given you know, affordability constraints? And have you had any informal commitments from governments on whether they are willing to put a lot of money behind the CFDs that would be able to procure that many gigawatts?
Speaker #3: Thanks for taking my question. It's on the North Sea agreement of Hamburg agreement. Could you help me draw a line between the commitments that were made there, which were obviously huge, and the money that you expect to be put behind these CFD auctions?
Speaker #3: So I guess anyone who's familiar with AR7 will be familiar with the concept of the pot size. Do you believe that governments in Europe or around the North Sea will put a big pot size behind these CFDs, given affordability constraints?
Speaker #3: And have you had any informal commitments from governments on whether they are willing to put a lot of money behind the CFDs that would be able to procure that many gigawatts?
Speaker #3: And there may be an add-on to it. There was a 30% cost reduction commitment in that agreement as well. Where would you see those cost reductions coming from?
[Analyst] (BNP Paribas): Then maybe as an add-on to it, there was a 30% cost reduction commitment in that agreement as well. Where would you see those cost reductions coming from? I presume it's not just hoping for lower interest rates. Is this coming from the supply chain? Is this coming from OEM manufacturers? Is this coming from your processes? Could you give us some color on how you would deliver that cost decrease? Thank you.
Speaker #3: I presume it's not just hoping for lower interest rates. Is this coming from the supply chain? Is this coming from OEM manufacturers? Is this coming from your processes?
Speaker #3: Could you give us some color on how you would deliver that cost decrease? Thank you.
Speaker #4: Absolutely. Good afternoon, Harry. There is no doubt that the agreement that was made between the nine heads of state in Hamburg last Monday we are very pleased with that agreement.
Trond Westlie: Absolutely. Good afternoon, Harry. There is no doubt that the agreement that was made between the nine heads of state in Hamburg last Monday, we are very pleased with that agreement.
Rasmus Errboe: ... Not sort of one thing is, of course, that the government stand shoulder to shoulder and commit to up to 300 gigawatts by 2050. That's sort of one thing. I think the more important part actually is that as opposed to previous agreements made on this one, the nine countries involved are a bit more specific about the how. How is this actually gonna happen? So it is by tendering out up to 15 gigawatts of offshore wind every single year from 2031 to 2040, and 10 of the 15 gigawatts are expected to be with CFDs. That commitment provides two things to the industry.
Speaker #4: Not sort of one thing is, of course, that the governments stand shoulder to shoulder and commit to up to 300 gigawatts by 2050. That's sort of one thing.
Speaker #4: I think the more important part, actually, is that, as opposed to previous agreements, in this one, the nine countries involved are a bit more specific about the how.
Speaker #4: How is this actually going to happen? So it is by tendering out up to 15 gigawatts of offshore wind every single year, from 2031 to 2040, and 10 of the 15 gigawatts are expected to be with CFDs.
Speaker #4: That commitment provides two things to the industry. It provides certainty about a more linear build-out. So basically stepping away from the more lumpy build-out and less coordinated build-out that we have seen in the last years.
Rasmus Errboe: It provides certainty about a more linear build out, so basically stepping away from the more lumpy build out and less coordinated build out that we have seen in the last years. And what it also provides is the right sort of frameworks in terms of how to tender out offshore wind, i.e., a consistent approach centered around CFDs across all the nine involved states. So that those two things combined, Harry, in our view, provides the necessary predictability for the industry, which is exactly what we need to again break the curve and bring down cost.
Speaker #4: And what it also provides is the right sort of frameworks in terms of how to tend out offshore wind, i.e., a consistent approach centered around CFDs across all the nine involved states.
Speaker #4: So, those two things combined, Harry, in our view, provide the necessary predictability for the industry, which is exactly what we need to, again, break the curve and bring down cost.
Rasmus Errboe: As you rightfully point out, the commitment from the industry has been to reduce Levelized Cost of Electricity by roughly 30% towards 2040, and it is coming from this predictability. It drives significant investments in the supply chain. The European supply chain has already invested, I believe, more than EUR 14 billion in the last 3 years across manufacturing, vessels, and ports. And that brings you to roughly 10 GW. And then, if you go to 15 GW, as is now set out, it's sort of roughly EUR 10 billion more.
Speaker #4: As you rightfully point out, the commitment from the industry has been to reduce levelized cost of electricity by roughly 30% towards 2040. And it is coming from this predictability.
Speaker #4: It drives significant investments in the supply chain. The European supply chain has already invested, I believe, more than €14 billion in the last three years across manufacturing, vessels, and ports.
Speaker #4: And that brings you to roughly 10 gigawatts. And then if you go to 15 gigawatts, as is now set out, it's sort of roughly €10 billion more.
Speaker #4: Those divestments, sorry, those investments provide sort of cost down on the supply chain. And obviously also the predictability will make it easier for the developers to also enter into framework agreements and also you could say deliver the projects that has been won.
Rasmus Errboe: Those divestments, sorry, those investments will provide sort of cost down on the supply chain, and obviously also the predictability will make it easier for the developers to also enter into framework agreements and also, you could say, deliver the projects that has been won. So that is what's gonna drive down the cost again towards 2040. And then for the second part of your question on sort of the pod size, we would have to see what comes out in the individual auctions in the coming years, the same way as you have seen in the UK.
Speaker #4: So that is what’s going to drive down the cost—again, towards 2040. And then for the second part of your question on, sort of, the pot size, we would have to see what comes out in the individual auctions in the coming years, the same way as you have seen in the UK.
Speaker #4: But I would, as an example, just highlight the agreements that have just been made in Denmark between Denmark and Germany, where the cap or the budget set aside for the three gigawatts of offshore wind between Denmark and Germany is around 140 billion Danish kroner.
Rasmus Errboe: But I would, as an example, just just highlight the agreements that has just been made, in Denmark, between Denmark and Germany, where the cap or the budget set aside for the 3 gigawatts of offshore wind between Denmark and Germany is around DKK 140 billion, committed by the Danish and German government, split roughly with 30% to Denmark and 70% to Germany. So this is just an example about the commitments that we are starting to see here.
Speaker #4: Committed by the Danish and German governments, split roughly with 30% to Denmark and 70% to Germany. So this is just an example of the commitments that we are starting to see here.
Speaker #3: Okay, thank you. Thanks for a very thorough answer.
[Analyst] (BNP Paribas): Okay, thank you. Thanks for a very thorough answer. Thanks, thanks for this.
Speaker #3: Thanks. The next question comes from the line
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Kristian Tornøe from SEB. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Of Christian Tornu from CEP. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Yes, thank you. And good afternoon from my side too. My question is on your rundown program where all transactions have now been signed. Sort of reflecting on of these transactions have lowered the financial transparency given the increasing level of non-cash EBITDA as a consequence of these transactions.
[Analyst] (SEB): Yes, thank you, and good afternoon from my side. So my question is on your farmland program, where all transactions have now been signed. So sort of reflecting on them, I would claim that some of these transactions have lowered the financial transparency, given the increasing level of non-cash BPA as a consequence of these transactions. I understand why you've had to do this, but I'm just curious how problematic you consider this movement, and not least, if you are to consider further divestment transactions in the future, could we expect you to go sort of back to the old model, which were more simple?
Speaker #5: I understand why you've had to do this, but I'm just curious how problematic you consider this movement and not least if you also consider further divestment transactions in the future should we expect you to go sort of back to the old model which were more simple.
Rasmus Errboe: Well, part of the proceeds coming from these transactions is, of course, the paying for some of the equity value, but some of them are also a part of our working capital, like the OFTO. So it goes into the operating cash flow. As a result of the accounting rules, making sure that we actually apply to those, we also have to address that. So I do think that we have been very transparent in telling how the sort of the split between our expected 30 – more than DKK 35 billion were divided into the three major, and the other smaller divestments. So as of now, Hornsea 3 has provided us with DKK 10 billion, of which DKK 4 billion is proceeds, and a bit more than DKK 6 billion is on the working capital.
Speaker #4: Well, part of the proceeds coming from these transactions is, of course, paying for some of the equity value, but some of them are also a part of our working capital, like the OFTO.
Speaker #4: So it goes into the operating cash flow. And as a result of the accounting rules, making sure that we actually apply to those, we also have to address that.
Speaker #4: So I do think that we have been very transparent in telling how the sort of the split between our expected more than €35 billion where divided into the three major and the other smaller divestments.
Speaker #4: So as of now, Hornsey III has provided us with €10 billion of which are €4 billion is proceeds and a bit more than €6 billion is on the working capital.
Speaker #4: On the onshore US transaction, it is €5 billion in proceeds. On the EU onshore, it's short of €11 billion in proceeds. The Changmo transaction, which we're going to close in Q3 this year, it is, of course, an asset value of €16 billion and the reason for having that asset value is, of course, because we are consolidating the full project until COD and then we deliver the full package to Cathay.
Rasmus Errboe: On the onshore US transaction, it is DKK 5 billion in proceeds. On the EU onshore, it's short of DKK 11 billion in proceeds. The Changhua transaction, which we're gonna close in Q3 this year. It is, of course, an asset value of DKK 16 billion. And the reason for having that asset value is, of course, because we are consolidating the full project until COD, and then we deliver the full package to Cathay. And then West of Duddon Sands, so DKK 4 billion. And that asset value of all those transaction is DKK 46 billion.
Speaker #4: And then west of Dodensand, so €4 billion. And that asset value of all those transactions is billion. Going forward, it's really we expect well, we do not have any concrete plans as of now.
Rasmus Errboe: Well, we do not have any concrete plans as of now, and we do believe that in case we are doing transaction, we will of course inform them about the content of these transaction, depending on the structure of the transaction every time.
Speaker #4: And we do believe that in case we are doing transactions, we will, of course, inform them about the content of these transactions depending on the structure of the transaction.
Speaker #4: Every time.
Speaker #2: We now have a question from the line of Peter Bestiga, from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: We now have a question from the line of Peter Bishtyga from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Hi, good afternoon. So question on your growth profile towards the end of this decade. Once everything was operational, hopefully in 2028, I presume any new projects that you might win in offshore auctions over the next couple of years won't be operational until after 2030.
[Analyst] (Bank of America): Hi, good afternoon. So, question on your growth profile towards the end of this decade. Once everything was operational, hopefully in 2028, I, you know, presume any new projects that you might win in offshore auctions over the next couple of years won't be operational until after 2030. So, there's gonna be a window of, like, two or three years where you're just building up on productive capital without kind of any new earnings coming in. So, I'm just wondering, first of all, how do you think about that?
Speaker #3: So there's going to be a window of like two or three years where you're just building up on productive capital without kind of any new earnings coming in.
Speaker #3: So I'm just wondering first of all, how do you think about that? And given your planned divestments of exceeded your target by a sort of fairly material amount, I'm just wondering if that gives you flexibility to accelerate investments, for example, in US onshore solar and battery or something like that to fill that growth gap?
[Analyst] (Bank of America): You know, given your planned divestments have exceeded your target by a sort of fairly material amount, I'm just wondering if that gives you flexibility to accelerate investments, for example, in US onshore, you know, solar and battery or something like that, to fill that growth gap? So, interested in your views on that point, please.
Speaker #3: So interest in your views on that point,
Speaker #3: please.
Speaker #4: Absolutely. Thank
Rasmus Errboe: Absolutely. Thank you, thank you, Peter. A few reflections. I think first of all, important to emphasize that we, as you also allude to, that we are very much in a position now on the back of the successful divestment program that Trond talked about and the successful capital raise last year. We are in a place where we have the financial robustness to pursue value accretive offshore wind opportunities in our core markets. And we are seeing quite a few opportunities already during 2026. As we talked about before, as sort of there is a tender coming in Denmark, there is a tender coming in the Netherlands.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Peter. A few reflections: I think, first of all, it's important to emphasize that we—as you also allude to—are very much in a strong position now on the back of the successful divestment program that Trond talked about, and the successful capital raise last year.
Speaker #4: We are in a place where we have the financial robustness to pursue value-accretive offshore wind opportunities in our core markets. And we are seeing quite a few opportunities already during 2026. As we talked about before, there is a tender coming in Denmark, there is a tender coming in the Netherlands.
Rasmus Errboe: There is a tender coming in APAC. And when you get to Taiwan, and also when you get into 2027, you are starting to see a significant pickup. So that is sort of one avenue for future growth for us, one potential avenue. Another one is obviously also to move forward with the projects that we already have, the more proprietary projects. We talked about sort of Hornsea 4 as an obvious example that we'll be able to bid in from 2027 and onwards.
Speaker #4: There is a tender coming in APAC. And when you get to in Taiwan, and you also when you get into 2027, you are starting to see a significant pickup.
Speaker #4: So that is sort of one avenue for future growth for us, one potential avenue. Another one is obviously also to move forward with the projects that we already have, the more proprietary projects we talked about sort of Hornsey IV as an obvious example that we'll be able to bid in from 2027 and onwards.
Speaker #4: And then, at the same time, as I also alluded to before, we are also pursuing, you can say, project-specific collaborations where relevant, all to further fill up the pipeline.
Rasmus Errboe: Then at the same time, as I also alluded to before, we are also pursuing, you can say, project-specific collaborations, where relevant, all to further fill up the pipeline, on the other side of the build-out that we have right now. You are right in the sense that we will see a drop in our gross CapEx from in 2028, relative to the levels we are at now. That is quite clear. Which is also why we have put the measures in place in terms of having a more flexible and right-sized organization to manage that dip, if you will.
Speaker #4: On the other side of the build-out that we have right now. You are right in the sense that we will see a drop in our gross capex from in '28 relative to the levels we are at now.
Speaker #4: That is quite clear. Which is also why we have put the measures in place in terms of having a more flexible and right-sized organization to manage that dip if you will.
Speaker #4: We are quite sort of bullish on the long-term projections for offshore wind in our core markets and the growth for the longer term. You talked about sort of unproductive capex and so on in the years towards the back end of the decade.
Rasmus Errboe: We are quite bullish on the long-term projections for offshore wind in our core markets, and growth for the longer term. You talked about sort of on unproductive CapEx and so on in the years towards the back end of the decade, and you also mentioned you were onshore. Just reminding us about our capital allocation principles, so it is to make sure at all times we have a robust capital structure. We honor the dividend commitment. We intend to honor the dividend commitment by paying out first time in 2027 on the back of 2026. Bucket number three is value accretive growth, and then bucket number four is, of course, potential rebalancing towards our shareholders.
Speaker #4: And you also mentioned US onshore. about our capital Just reminding us allocation principles. So it is to make sure at all times we have a robust capital structure.
Speaker #4: We honor the dividend commitment. We intend to honor the dividend commitment by paying out for the first time in 2027 on the back of '26. Pocket number three is value-accretive growth.
Speaker #4: And then pocket number four is, of course, potential rebalancing towards our shareholders. Those are the principles that we have, and we have had for a while, and we intend to follow them.
Rasmus Errboe: Those are the principles that we have, and we have had for a while, and we intend to follow them. We continue to invest in our US onshore business. We, as we have said before, have separated out now to be more of a standalone business. We finalized that in October last year. We are right now constructing two projects in US onshore, 500MW in total. We will continue to develop the business, but you should not expect a rebalancing of CapEx, as you alluded to before. Our key strategic focus is offshore wind in our core markets, i.e., in Europe.
Speaker #4: We continue to invest in our US onshore business. As we have said before, we have separated out now to be more of a standalone business.
Speaker #4: We finalized that in October, last year. We are right now constructing two projects in US onshore, a 500 megawatts in total. And we will continue you should not expect to develop the business.
Speaker #4: But a rebalancing of capex, as you alluded to before. Our key strategic focus is offshore wind in our core markets, i.e., in Europe.
Speaker #3: Perfect. Thank you very
[Analyst] (Bank of America): Perfect. Thank you very much.
Speaker #3: much. The next question comes from the line
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Jenny Ping from Citi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: of Jenny Ping from Citi. Please go
Speaker #2: Ahead. Hi, thank you very much.
[Analyst] (Citi): Hi, thank you very much. Actually, my question was fairly similar to Peter's, with the pivot more to your point around project collaboration. I just wondered whether this actually meant in order to fill in the back end of the decade's growth profile, you would be open to buying into projects that other people have won, that's already kind of getting to have got CFDs, et cetera, that's getting to FID stage that would deliver back in the decade just to keep the momentum of the growth? And then just along the same lines in terms of the balance sheet, I'd be very keen to understand the opportunity to really leverage the US project. Obviously, you're making very good progress in the delivery of that.
Speaker #5: Actually, my question was fairly similar to Peter's with the really the pivot more to your point around projects collaboration. I just wondered whether this actually meant in order to fill in the back end of the decade's growth profile, you would be open to buying into projects that other people have won that's already kind of getting to have got CFDs, etc., that's getting to FID stage that would deliver back in the decade just to keep the momentum of the growth.
Speaker #5: And then just along the same lines in terms of balance sheet, I'd be very keen to understand the opportunity to re-leverage the US projects.
Speaker #5: Obviously, you're making very good progress in the delivery of that. Is it the thing about the opportunity to project finance them and take equity out before reaching COD?
[Analyst] (Citi): Is it the case that these projects, we shouldn't even think about the opportunity to project finance them and take equity out before reaching COD? Or are banks actually starting to warm up as you deliver the construction? Thank you.
Speaker #5: Or are banks actually starting to warm up as you deliver the construction? Thank you.
Speaker #5: you. Thanks a lot, Jenny.
Rasmus Errboe: Thanks a lot, Jenny. I will take the first part and then leave the US project financing question to Trond. So we are pursuing growth across three buckets. It's tenders and auctions in one bucket. It is developing our proprietary pipeline in another bucket. And then the third one is, as you alluded to, potentially enter into agreements with other developers, potentially, about projects. There is a significant backlog right now of offshore wind projects in several of our core markets, and we have had that, which is not new. We have had that for a while.
Speaker #4: I will take the first part and then leave the US project financing question to Trond. So we are pursuing growth across three buckets. It's tenders and auctions in one bucket.
Speaker #4: It is developing our proprietary pipeline in another bucket. And then the third one is, as you alluded to, to potentially enter into agreements with other developers, potentially about projects.
Speaker #4: There is a significant backlog right now of offshore wind projects in several of our core markets. And we have that as we which is not new.
Speaker #4: We have had that for a while. It is one of the three buckets that we are potentially pursuing. That being said, you mentioned the sort of momentum of growth.
Rasmus Errboe: One of the three buckets that we are potentially pursuing. That being said, you mentioned sort of momentum, momentum of growth. It is important just to reemphasize that we will be patient. We will be patient, and we will always prioritize value over volume. And we have, we are setting ourselves up in a way where we have and are sort of able to cater for a slight dip in our construction activity towards the back end of the decade. But we do believe there are quite a few opportunities out there across the three buckets in terms of future growth.
Speaker #4: It is important just to re-emphasize that we will be patient. We will be patient and we will always prioritize value over volume. And we have we are setting ourselves up in a way where we have and are sort of able to cater for a slight dip in our construction activity towards the back end of the decade.
Speaker #4: But we do believe there are quite a few opportunities out there across the three buckets in terms of future
Trond Westlie: When it comes to the balance sheet-
Speaker #1: When it comes to growth, to the balance sheet, when it comes to the balance sheet effects of the US projects, we have, when we sized the rights issue, and also deciding on the farm-downs and the sales proceeds, we made sure that we had enough capital not to plan for project financing before COD in the US.
[Analyst] (Citi): ...
Trond Westlie: When it comes to the balance sheet effects of the US projects, when we sized the rights issue and also deciding on the farm downs and the sales proceeds, we made sure that we had enough capital not to plan for project financing before COD in the US. That has been a major element to this, to make sure that we have the financial solidity as well as the equity in place, to make sure that we can continue constructing on our 8.1 gigawatts.
Speaker #1: That has been a major element to this, to make sure that we have the financial solidity as well as the equity in place to make sure that we can continue constructing on our 8.1 gigawatts.
Speaker #1: Having said that, the timing of project financing when it comes to those projects is, of course, dependent on the political uncertainty and how the financial market in the US and also elsewhere but mostly in the US looks at certainty of those projects coming into play.
Trond Westlie: Having said that, the timing of project financing when it comes to those projects is of course dependent on the political uncertainty and how the financial market in the US, and also elsewhere, but mostly in the US, looks at certainty of those projects coming into play. So it will be an opportunity for us at some point in time, but we have not planned or concluded on that time.
Speaker #1: So it will be an opportunity for us at some point in time, but we have not planned or concluded on that time.
Speaker #5: Okay, so thank you. So just to be clear, so M&A is on the table under this bucket of project
[Analyst] (Citi): Okay. So thank you. So just to be clear, so M&A is on the table under the, this bucket of, project collaboration?
Speaker #5: collaboration? Project level, Yes.
Trond Westlie: Project level, yes.
[Analyst] (Citi): Yes. Okay, brilliant. Thank you very much, both.
Speaker #5: Okay, brilliant. Thank yes. you very much, both.
Speaker #2: We now have a question from the line of Deepa Venkateswaran, from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Operator: We now have a question from the line of Deepa Venkateswaran from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hi, thank you for taking my question. It is somewhat similar to the previous questions, but it's probably a more philosophical question. So, in the past, Orson was always the lead developer.
[Analyst] (Bernstein): Hi, thank you for taking my question. It is somewhat similar to the previous questions, but it's probably a more philosophical question. So in the past, you know, Ørsted was always the lead developer, you farm down to financial players. You haven't done too many projects with other industrial players, but we know many of them are looking for partners. I think Vattenfall said that they're looking for partners for their German offshore project that BASF have, and we know SSE, for example, will be looking at these. So, where do you see from a perspective of value creation, Ørsted kind of coming in as perhaps the, maybe not in the driver's seat, but as a secondary partner, would those sort of transactions be okay with you?
Speaker #5: You farmed down to financial players. You haven't done too many projects with other industrial players. But we know many of them are looking for partners.
Speaker #5: I think Watson Falls said that they're looking for partners for their German offshore project that BASF have, and we know SSC, for example, will be looking at these. So where do you see, from a perspective of value creation, Ørsted kind of coming in as perhaps maybe not in the driver's seat, but as a secondary partner?
Speaker #5: Would those sort of transactions be okay with you? And yeah, or is there any commitment that you need to be the lead developer operator constructor of these projects?
[Analyst] (Bernstein): Or is there any commitment that you need to be the lead developer, operator, constructor of these projects? And that's my question. Thank you.
Speaker #5: I think that's my question. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Deepa. So in terms of markets by market, I would rather say our focus is on the core markets that you know that we are focusing on.
Rasmus Errboe: Thank you, Deepa. So, in terms of market by market, I would rather say our focus is on the core markets that I, that you know, that we are focusing on. So, the UK, Denmark, Poland, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, that continues to be the case. And then again, we have the three buckets that I mentioned before. It becomes too speculative for me to sort of get into what kind of potential partnerships it could be. That is a bit premature.
Speaker #4: So the UK, Denmark, Poland, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium. That continues to be the case. And then again, we have the three buckets that I mentioned before.
Speaker #4: It becomes too speculative for me to sort of get into what kind of potential partnerships it could be. That is a bit premature.
[Analyst] (Bernstein): ... But in principle, would you be okay with building something with another industrial player?
Speaker #5: But in principle, would you be okay with building something with another industrial
Speaker #5: player? The answer
Rasmus Errboe: The answer will be the same, Deepa, that it becomes a bit too speculative for me to talk about potential future collaboration models.
Speaker #4: It will be the same, Deepa, in that it becomes a bit too speculative for me to talk about potential future collaboration models.
Speaker #5: Thank
[Analyst] (Bernstein): Thank you.
Speaker #2: The next question comes from the line of Alberto Gandolfi from Goldman Sachs. Please go
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Alberto Gandolfi from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Thank you. Hi, it's Alberto Gandolfi, and, thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to talk about growth, but from a less different perspective and a bit more granularity. The first one is, how much capital do you feel comfortable in committing in the next 18, 12, 18 months, given the lingering risks around Sunrise? You know, just in case we still have another move, an appeal by the administration, the court case is pending. And while you are talking about offshore in particular, would you mind telling us how many gigawatts you could potentially bid for in these regions? You know, there's a very good slide where you talk about all these countries in Europe and Asia. So how many gigawatts in terms of permitting leases could you potentially bid for if you wanted to?
Speaker #6: Hi, it's Alberto Gandolfi. And thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to talk about growth. But from a slightly different perspective and a bit more granularity, the first one is how much capital do you feel comfortable in committing in the next 18, 12, 18 months, given the lingering risks around sunrise?
Speaker #6: Just in case we still have another move and appeal, but the administration, the core case is spending. And while you are talking about offshore in particular, would you mind telling us how many gigawatts you could potentially bid for in this region?
Speaker #6: about all There's a very good slide where you talk these countries in Europe, in Asia. So how many gigawatts in terms of permitting, leases could you potentially bid for if you wanted to?
Speaker #6: And if you can tell us, given you talk about value over volume, how do you define value? Is there an absolute IRR we should be thinking about given where the cost of capital is today?
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): If you can tell us, given you talk about value over volume, how do you define value? You know, is there an absolute IRR we should be thinking about, given where the cost of capital is today? Do you think you need to now put more contingencies? So can you, can you tell us how we should be thinking about, you know, risks, quantity, and returns? Thank you so much.
Speaker #6: Do you think you need to now put more contingencies? So can you tell us how we should be thinking about risks, quantity, and returns?
Speaker #6: Thank you so
Speaker #6: much. Thank
Speaker #4: you, Alberto. So sort of three buckets in your question. Maybe partly overlapping in my answer. So first of all, you're saying what kind of capital are we comfortable committing considering the situation we have in the US?
Rasmus Errboe: Thank you, Alberto. So, sort of three buckets in your question, maybe partly overlapping in my answer. So, first of all, you're saying, what kind of capital are we comfortable committing in considering the situation we have in the US? I'm not gonna put out any numbers here. What I can say is, and it's one can of course elaborate here, that we have our CapEx, committed CapEx program towards 2025 to 2027, and we have 145 in total. And we are still there across our projects. And then we have, as we also talked about, we have completed the farm down program. We have completed the equity raise.
Speaker #4: I'm not going to put out any numbers here. What I can say is, and Torrent can, of course, elaborate here, that we have our CapEx committed CapEx 25 to 27, and we have 145 in total.
Speaker #4: And we are still there, across our projects. And then we have, as we also talked about, completed the farm-down program. We have completed the equity raise.
Speaker #4: So we are in a position now where we have a robust balance sheet. Part of sizing the equity raise was to be able to withstand the regulatory uncertainty that we are also now seeing unfolding in the US, but also to deliver on our business plan.
Rasmus Errboe: So we are in a position now where we have a robust balance sheet. Part of sizing the equity raise was to be able to withstand the regulatory uncertainty that we are also now seeing unfolding in the US, but also to deliver on our business plan. But I'm not gonna put out a specific CapEx number, which is the same reason for why I'm also not gonna put out a specific gigawatt number, because this is exactly where we have changed our approach, if you will. So we're not chasing gigawatts. It is value over volume.
Speaker #4: But I'm not going to put out a specific CapEx number. Which is the same reason for why I'm also not going to put out a specific gigawatt number because this is exactly what we where we have changed our approach, if you will.
Speaker #4: So we're not changing gigawatts it is value over volume. You'll remember from the beginning of the year that one of the first things we did after I took over was that we canceled our 2030 targets in terms of gigawatts.
Rasmus Errboe: You'll remember from the beginning of the year that we, one of the first things we did after I took over, was that we canceled our 2030 targets in terms of gigawatts, because our focus is on value. And as I said before, we do believe that the opportunities are out there. On value, you said, sort of how do we define value? We have our value criteria are unchanged in the sense that we guide that it is 150 to 300 basis points on top of our cost of capital. We stand by that.
Speaker #4: Because our focus is on value. And as I said before, we do believe that the opportunities are out there. On value—you said, sort of, how do we define value?
Speaker #4: We have a our value criteria are unchanged in the sense that we guide that it is 150 to 300 basis points on top of our cost of capital.
Speaker #4: We stand by that. And then at the same time, internally, we obviously also look at the absolute IRRs of the projects that we are considering moving forward.
Rasmus Errboe: And then at the same time, internally, we obviously also look at the absolute IRRs of the projects that we are considering moving forward. But we only guide externally on the 150 to 300 bps on top of our cost of capital. And then, of course, when we look at value, we also look at the flip side, which is risk. And we are carefully assessing risks in our opportunities that we are looking at. We are looking at the breakaway profiles of the opportunities. We're looking at the farm-down potential farm-down risk, as we also talked to as part of putting Hornsea 4 back to a development.
Speaker #4: But we only guide externally on the 150 to 300 bips on top of our cost of capital. And then, of course, when we look at value, we also risk.
Speaker #4: And we are we have we are carefully assessing risks in our opportunities that we are looking at. We are looking at the breakaway profiles of the opportunities.
Speaker #4: We're looking at the farm down, potential farm down risk as we also talk to as part of putting Horn C4 back to a development.
Speaker #4: So those are some of the things we look at when we assess new
Rasmus Errboe: So those are some of the things we look at when we assess new opportunities.
Speaker #4: opportunities.
Speaker #2: We now have a question from the
Operator: We now have a question from the line of Ahmed Farman from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: line of Ahmed Farman from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Yes, hi. Thank you so much for taking the time. I have a sort of broad question on the two US projects, but sort of with a few sort of subsegments.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Yes. Hi, thank you so much for taking the time. I have a sort of broad question on the two US projects, but a few sub-segments. Last year, you provided us an estimate of the remaining CapEx to be spent in Q2. The first sub-question is, could you just remind us where that is? Could you remind us on the monetizing... The timing of the monetization of the ITC for Revolution Wind? And then as you referenced, you know, expeditious and durable solution, trying to sort of find that in your strategy. I would be interested if you could elaborate on that point further. Thank you.
Speaker #7: So last year, you provided us an estimate of the remaining CapEx to be spent in the second quarter. So sort of the first question is, could you just remind us where that is?
Speaker #7: Could you remind us of the monetized rate and the timing of the monetization of the ITC for Revolution Wind? And then you referenced 'expeditious and durable solution'—trying to sort of find that in your strategy.
Speaker #7: I would be interested if you could elaborate on that point further. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Ahmed. So I will take CapEx and the durable solution, and then leave ITCs to you, Torrent. So yeah, just to reiterate, the remaining CapEx for us this year across revolution wind and sunrise is around roughly 35 billion Danish.
Rasmus Errboe: Thank you, Ahmed. So I will take CapEx and the durable solution, and then leave ITCs to you, Trond. So yeah, just to reiterate, the remaining CapEx for us to share across Revolution Wind and Sunrise is around roughly 35 billion DKK. So basically you can say broadly unchanged relative to what we have said before. In terms of the dialogue track, as you indirectly allude to, we are focusing on two things here in the US. One is obviously to finalize construction of Revolution Wind and Sunrise as fast as well and as safe as possible for our colleagues.
Speaker #4: So basically, you can say broadly unchanged relative to what we have said before. In terms of the dialogue track, as you indirectly allude to, so we have we are focusing on two things here.
Speaker #4: In the US, one is obviously to finalize construction of revolution wind and sunrise as fast as well and as safe as possible for our colleague.
Rasmus Errboe: The construction is actually progressing quite well across both, despite, sort of, taking into account that we have been out for three weeks on one and roughly six weeks on the other. But I can, of course, talk much more about that construction progress. The other part of the work we do is on seeking to, via dialogue, see if there is a path for a more expeditious and, sort of, durable solution across the two projects. I will follow the same line as I have had before here.
Speaker #4: And the construction is actually progressing quite well across both despite sort of or taken into account that we have been out for three weeks on one and roughly six weeks on the other.
Speaker #4: But I can, of course, talk much more about that construction progress. The other part of the work we do is on seeking to via dialogue see if there is a path for a more expeditious and sort of durable solution.
Speaker #4: Across the two projects. I will follow the same line as I have had before here. I don't want to go into the content of dialogues we may or may not have with the other developers, with the administration, with suppliers, etc.
Rasmus Errboe: I don't want to go into the content of dialogues we may or may not have with the other developers, with the administration, with the suppliers, et cetera. But we are pursuing still two tracks.
Speaker #4: But we are pursuing still two tracks.
Trond Westlie: On the ITC element, the element on the ITC and what we expect is the money to come in sort of a year subsequent to COD, and that's sort of the planning phase that we're looking at.
Speaker #8: Element, the element on the ITC, and what we expect is the money to come in sort of a year subsequent to COD. And that's sort of the planning phase that we're looking at.
Speaker #7: Okay. Thank you very much.
Rasmus Errboe: Okay. Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: The next question comes from the line of Mark Freshney from UBS. Please go
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Mark Freshney from UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead. Hi, thank
[Analyst] (UBS): Hi, thank you. If I could just drill down a bit onto the ITC. My question is, is it possible to monetize the ITC and do the transactions with a bank while the lease suspensions are still in place? So do you need those lease extensions removed to get the, I think it's like DKK 25 billion from both of the construction assets in 2027 and 2028? So that's my first question. And just secondly, it sounds, standing back, it sounds like we're now focusing on, you know, growth beyond the five construction projects.
Speaker #8: you. If I could just drill down a bit onto the ITC, my question is, is it possible to monetize the ITC and do the transactions with a bank while the lease suspensions are still in place?
Speaker #8: So do you need those lease extensions removed to get the, I think it's like 25 billion Danish crowns from both of the construction assets in 27 and 28?
Speaker #8: So that's my first question. And just secondly, it sounds standing back, it sounds like we're now focusing on growth beyond the five construction projects.
[Analyst] (UBS): Given the kind of opportunities you've laid out and the kind of optimism I see and given the need to maintain a strong balance sheet, can we infer that the dividend payout ratio will be sort like low, potentially somewhere around where it was at the time of the IPO, which I think was about DKK 2.5 billion? Thank you.
Speaker #8: Given the kind of opportunities you've laid out and the kind of optimism, and given the need to maintain a strong balance sheet, can we infer that the dividend payout ratio will be slightly low potentially somewhere around where it was at the time of the IPO, which I think was about two and a half billion Danish crowns?
Speaker #8: Thank
Speaker #4: When it comes to the ITC, I would probably answer you, Mark, in two different ways. When it comes to the tax equity part, it is still a good market there in the onshore sector.
Trond Westlie: When it comes to the ITC, I would probably answer you, Mark, in two different ways. When it comes to the tax equity part, it is still a good market there in the onshore sector, and there is no differential really relative to tax credit where they come from. So when it comes to that, having said that, there is of course the political surroundings in this uncertainty, as well as the legal elements as you talk to about the suspension, suspension orders and so forth. So yes, there is of course elements here that we are discussing with the investors, but the progress of this is continuing as we have planned. But as you allude to, there is uncertainty parameters that we need to contain or address during the course of the way.
Speaker #4: And there is no differential, really, relative to tax credit where they come from. So when it comes to that, having said that, there is, of course, the political surroundings in this uncertainty as well as the legal elements, as you talked to about the suspense orders and so forth.
Speaker #4: So yes, there is, of course, elements here that we are discussing with investors. But the progress of this is continuing as we have planned.
Speaker #4: But as you allude to, there are uncertainty parameters that we need to contain or address during the course of the way. But as of now, the progress is there; there is nothing hindering the process, except for, of course, that we have to cater for those elements, which we hate to do.
Trond Westlie: But as of now, the progress is there. There's no sort of nothing hindering the process, except for, of course, that we have to cater for those elements. On the dividend side, we will not, at this point in time, give any guidance on the levels. As such, we will come back to that in due time, but as of now, it's too early for us to expand on where that level is gonna be starting to be paid in 2027.
Speaker #4: On the dividend side, we will not at this point in time give any guidance on the levels. As such, we will come back to that in due time.
Speaker #4: But as of now, it's too early for us to expand on where that level is going to be starting to be paid in '27.
[Analyst] (UBS): Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #7: you. We now
Operator: We now have a question from the line of Casper Blom from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Kaspar Blom from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Thanks a lot. A question regarding the ramp-up of revolution and sunrise wind. You mentioned Rasmus that you expect the first powerful revolution within the first next couple of weeks.
Rasmus Errboe: Thanks a lot. A question regarding the ramp up of the Revolution Wind and the Sunrise Wind. You mentioned, Rasmus, that you expect the first power from Revolution Wind within the next couple of weeks, and with Sunrise Wind, you say in the second half of this year. Can you give any kind of guidance to how much you expect to squeeze out of these two projects this year? Maybe a percentage of how much power you expect to generate, compared to how much it will be when these projects are fully up and running. Any flavor to the impact that the projects will have on this year's earnings would be very, very nice to have. Thank you.
Speaker #9: And with Sunrise, you say in the second half of this year. Can you give any kind of guidance as to how much you expect to squeeze out of these two projects this year?
Speaker #9: Maybe a percentage of how much power you expect to generate compared to are fully up and running? Any flavor to how much it will be when these projects the impact that the projects will have on this year's earnings would be very nice to have.
Speaker #9: Thank
Speaker #9: you. Thank
Speaker #4: you, Kaspar. I, of course, see what you're doing. But what I'm not going to guide on sort of EBITDA at the project level. For '26.
Trond Westlie: Thank you, Casper. I of course see what you're doing, but I'm not gonna guide on sort of EBITDA at the project level for 2026. But I can give you sort of a little bit of color of sort of where we are and then leave it for you to make your own assessment.
Speaker #4: But I can give you sort of a little bit of color of sort of where we are and then leave it for you to make your own assessment.
Speaker #4: So on revolution wind, as said, we have now installed 59 out of 65 turbines. We expect first power, as I said, within weeks. We have energized the export cable.
Rasmus Errboe: ... So, on Revolution Wind, as said, we have now installed 59 out of 65 turbines. We expect first power, as I said, within weeks. We have energized the export cable. We have energized what is called the interlink cable, energized the offshore substation and also the onshore substation. So therefore, you can say moving forward quite well. But more details about sort of remaining installation and ramp up, I cannot give. Our guidance remains that we expect COD for the full wind farm in the second half of 2026.
Speaker #4: We have energized what is called the interlink cable, energized the offshore substations, and also the onshore substation. So therefore, you can say moving forward quite well.
Speaker #4: But more details about sort of remaining installation and ramp-up, I cannot give our guidance remains. We expect COD for the full wind farm in the second half of 2026.
Rasmus Errboe: And the ramp up within week, and the first power within weeks, as I said. On Sunrise, again, we also here do expect the first power this year. But again, what we have stated recently is that we would expect for it to be in October 2026, and then COD by second half of 2027. And also Sunrise is progressing according to plan. We have sort of the fabrication progress is going quite well. We only have seven sets of turbines left and so on. And 44 out of 84 foundations installed, offshore substation installed, onshore converter station 90% done, energized onshore cable 100% done.
Speaker #4: And the ramp-up within weeks, and the first power within weeks, as I said. On sunrise, again, we also here do expect first power this year.
Speaker #4: But again, and what we have stated recently is that we would expect for it to be in October 2026, and then COD by the second half of 2027.
Speaker #4: And also, Sunrise is progressing according to plan. We have, sort of, the fabrication progress is going quite well. We only have seven sets of turbines left, and so on.
Speaker #4: And 44 out of 84 foundations installed. Offshore substation installed onshore converter station 90% done. Energized onshore cable 100% done. So it is moving forward according to plan despite the setbacks we have received.
Rasmus Errboe: So it is moving forward, according to plan, despite the setbacks we have received.
Speaker #9: All right. Thanks for the flavor, Rasmus.
[Analyst] (SEB): All right. Thanks for the clear response.
Speaker #2: The next question comes from the line of Ollie Jeffrey from Deutsche Bank.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Olly Jeffery from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Deutsche Bank): Hey, just asking about a different topic. Could I please get an update on the Elsam related case, which has been ongoing for a while? I think the amount they're potentially liable for is DKK 4.4 billion, depending on how that court case outturns. When do you expect – is, can we expect a judgment this year? And if so, do you have any timelines on that? Is there a kind of date for when we will get more information on how that turns out? Thank you.
Speaker #9: Just asking about a different topic. Could I please get an update on the is being ongoing for a while? I think the amount there potentially liable for is 4.4 billion, depending on how that court case outturns.
Speaker #9: When do you expect a is it going to be expected judgment this year? And if so, do you have any timelines on that? Is there any kind of date for when we will get more information on how that turns out?
Speaker #9: Thank
Speaker #9: you. Well, the LFAM case has
Rasmus Errboe: Well, the Elsam case has been there for quite some years, so it has been a long way to go. When the case was up last time on the final ruling, on the main case, that was back in, I believe, 2017 or 2018, we did win that. Subsequent to that, there are around 1,100 small cases that has been added up to this case coming up, and the case has started up now. It is the amount that you have said. We have disclosed that both in the rights issue, and it's also in the annual report. We do not have any provisions for this. We do have a view that it will end up as it has been ended up before.
Speaker #4: been there for quite some years. So it has been a long way to go. When the case was up last time on the final ruling on the main case, that was back in, I believe, 2017 or '18, we did win that.
Speaker #4: Subsequent to that, there are I think around 1,100 small cases that have been added up to this case coming up. And the case has started up now.
Speaker #4: It is the amount that you have said we have disclosed that both in the rights issue and it's also in the annual report. We do not have any provisions for this.
Speaker #4: We do have a view that it will end up as it has been ended up before. But the case is ongoing, and we expect to have an answer or a decision here mid-year somewhere and then again just to be clear on that, the decision made this time may be appealed by both
Rasmus Errboe: But the case is ongoing, and we expect to have an answer or a decision here, mid-year somewhere. And then again, just to be clear on that, the decision made this time may be appealed by both parties.
Speaker #4: parties. Absolutely.
[Analyst] (Deutsche Bank): That's clear. Thanks very much.
Speaker #9: Thanks very much.
Speaker #2: We now have a question from the line of Rob Poulain from Morgan Stanley. Please go
Operator: We now have a question from the line of Robert Pulleyn from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead.
Rasmus Errboe: Hi. Thank you. And thanks for all the answers so far. The remaining question I would like to ask is, given obviously lots of interest in your future partnerships you mentioned, and also the market's very interested in potential collaboration with your Norwegian neighbors. And to leave, to park that particular topic, there is a related one, is that that particular neighbor has a US project and pipeline as well. And so from a high level, could you talk to whether you would be interested in increasing your exposure in the US market at all? Thank you. Thank you, Rob.
Speaker #9: Hi. Thank
Speaker #9: answers. So you. And thanks for all the far, the remaining question I would like to ask is given obviously lots of interest in your future partnerships you mentioned and also the market's very interested in potential collaboration with your Norwegian neighbors.
Speaker #9: And to leave to park that particular topic, there is a related one. Is that that particular neighbor has a US project and pipeline as well.
Speaker #9: And so from a high-level, could you talk to whether you would be interested in increasing your exposure in the US market at all? Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Rob. So yes, you are right of with respect to Equinor, that we are we continue to be pleased having them as a shareholder.
Rasmus Errboe: Yes, you are right that, sort of, with respect to Equinor, that we continue to be pleased having them as a shareholder. They were very supportive at the capital raise. They are a 10% shareholder, and we have a very good dialogue with them. We have no expectations whatsoever to increase our exposure to offshore wind in the US. Roughly, or a little less than a year ago, shortly after I took over, we adjusted, or we basically came adjusted our strategy for Ørsted.
Speaker #4: They were very supportive at the capital raise. They are 10% shareholder, and we have a very good dialogue with them. We have no expectations whatsoever to increase our exposure to offshore wind in the US.
Speaker #4: Roughly or a little less than a year ago, shortly after I took over, we adjusted or we basically came sort of adjusted our strategy for us to and one of the things we did when we came to the US was to refocus to basically only focusing on finalizing the two projects we have, Revolution Wind and Sunrise Wind, on the offshore side.
Rasmus Errboe: One of the things we did when we came to the US was to refocus to basically only focusing on finalizing the two projects we have, Revolution Wind and Sunrise Wind, on the offshore side. We maintain the leases we have, and we sort of continue to comply, and we have them for sort of optionality. But we have no expectations to acquire new projects in the US.
Speaker #4: We maintain the leases we have, and we sort of continue to comply, and we have them for sort of optionality. But we have no expectations to acquire new projects in the US.
Speaker #9: That's super clear and very helpful. Thank you very much. I'll hand it over.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): ... That's super clear and very helpful. Thank you very much. I'll, I'll hand it over.
Speaker #2: The next question comes from the line of James Carmichael from Berenberg. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of James Carmichael from Berenberg. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Hi. Afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just the first one, just quickly on the 2,000 headcount reduction that you mentioned. I'm just wondering if you could say how many, if any, of those occur naturally, I guess, as part of the European onshore disposal, and how many effectively go over to CIP with that asset base.
[Analyst] (Berenberg): Hi, afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just, first one, just quickly on, the 2000 headcount reduction that you mentioned. I'm just wondering if you could say how many, if any of those, occur naturally, I guess, as part of the European onshore disposal, how many effectively go over to, to CIP with that asset base? Then just while we're talking onshore, just wondering if you could maybe remind us of your commitment to the US onshore business, given the strategic focus on offshore and, Europe that you've talked about. Thanks.
Speaker #9: And then, just while we're talking onshore, I'm wondering if you could maybe remind us of your commitment to the U.S. onshore business, given the strategic focus on offshore and Europe that you've talked about.
Speaker #9: Thanks.
Speaker #4: Thank you very
Rasmus Errboe: Thank you very much. So if we take the people aspect first, as a reminder, we communicated in October that we would be reducing the number of people working for us towards the back end of 2027, with roughly 2,000 positions. We are moving forward according to plan in that regard. And we have said goodbye to around 500 colleagues in the back end of last year.
Speaker #4: much. So if we take the people aspect first, as you just as a reminder, we communicated in reducing October that we would be our the number of people working for us towards the back end of 2027 with roughly 2,000 positions.
Speaker #4: We are moving forward according to plan in that regard. And we have said goodbye to around 500 colleagues in the back end of last year.
Speaker #4: And the 200 and it is on top of that, it is roughly 200 people who are employed in our Europe onshore business. And they will all transfer to the new buyer.
Rasmus Errboe: And it is, on top of that, it is roughly 200 people who are employed in our Europe onshore business, and they will all transfer to the new buyer, and is included in the reduction that I talked about towards end of 2027. It is very important to me that we continue to treat all of our employees, those staying and those leaving, in the best possible way, and I believe we are. Then the other part of your question was sort of what is our commitment to our US onshore business? We are moving forward according to plan with our US onshore business.
Speaker #4: And this is included in the reduction that I talked about towards the end of 2027. It is very important to me that we continue to treat all of our employees, those staying and those leaving, in the best possible way.
Speaker #4: And I believe the other part of your question was sort of what is our commitment to our U.S. onshore business. We are moving forward according to plan with our U.S. onshore business.
Speaker #4: It is going well. We have separated it out as a separate unit as I mentioned before. Effective from October last year. And the business is going well.
Rasmus Errboe: It is going well. We have separated it out as a separate unit, as I mentioned before, effective from October last year. The business is going well. We are moving forward projects. We have right now roughly 500MW under construction. One wind project, 260MW Badger Wind in MISO, and one battery, 250MW in ERCOT. Then on top of that, we have 6 to 7GW of capacity that meet the IRS definition of qualification through 2029. We have this development portfolio consisting of a mix of solar, wind, and storage, slightly more weighted towards solar in the near term. So moving forward well.
Speaker #4: We are moving forward projects. We have right now roughly 500 megawatts under construction. One wind project 260 megawatts battery wind in Mysore. And one battery 250 megawatts in Urquhart.
Speaker #4: And then, on top of that, we have 6 to 7 gigawatts of capacity that meet the IRS definition of qualification through 2029. And we have this development portfolio, consisting of a mix of solar, wind, and storage.
Speaker #4: Slightly more weighted towards solar in the near term. So, moving forward,
Speaker #4: well. Thank
Speaker #9: you.
Speaker #2: We now have a question from a line of Louis Bujard from Oddo BHS. Please go ahead.
Operator: We now have a question from the line of Louis Boujard from Oddo BHF. Please go ahead.
Speaker #10: Yes, hi. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe remaining a little bit in the efficiency measures, I think that you mentioned that you recorded in also DKK 600 million of cost of implementation.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Yes, hi, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe, remaining a little bit in the efficiency measures, I think that you mentioned that you're recording in also DKK 600 million of cost of implementation. Is this the total cost of implementation for these other measures that you plan, or shall we forecast additional cost going forward? And on top of it, I think that you mentioned as well, that you are taking some initiatives into the trading and revenue division or activity. I would like to see, to know if you could provide eventually some example of where you could eventually make some improvements on this topic, in order to reach and to converge towards the DKK 2 billion savings that you previously mentioned. Thank you very much.
Speaker #10: Is this the total cost of implementation for these relevant measures that you plan, or shall we forecast additional cost going forward? And on top of it, I think that you mentioned as well that you are taking some initiatives into the trading and revenue division or activity.
Speaker #10: I would like to see to know if you could provide eventually some example of where you could eventually make some improvement on this topic in order to reach and to converge towards the 2 billion savings that you previously mentioned.
Speaker #10: Thank you very much.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Louis. You asked two questions, and we were simply not able to get the first part of your question, but it sounded like it was for Trond.
Rasmus Errboe: Thank you, Louis. You asked 2 questions, and we were simply not able to get the first part of your question, but it sounded like it was for Tom. But I will answer the latter, the second part, and then I would ask you to ask the first one one more time. Sorry about that. It's a little bit of a dodgy, dodgy line. So you asked about trading, revenue, and examples and so on, in terms of the efficiency measures that we are talking about. So just as a reminder, as part of the rights issue, we communicated that we expect DKK 0.5 to 1 billion of incremental EBITDA from 2027 and onwards, full year effect.
Speaker #4: But I will answer the latter the second part, and then I would ask you to ask the first one one more time. Sorry about that.
Speaker #4: It's a little bit of a dodgy line. So you asked about trading and revenue and examples and so on. In terms of the efficiency measures that we are talking about.
Speaker #4: So just as a reminder, as part of the rights issue, we communicated that we expect a 0.5 to 1 billion of incremental EBITDA from 27 and onwards full year effect.
Speaker #4: And sort of a few examples one is increased value from selling and buying certificates. Another one is increased activity day-to-day, intraday, day ahead. Another one is more third-party organization of PPAs.
Rasmus Errboe: And, sort of a few examples, one is increased value from selling and buying certificates. Another one is increased activity day to day, intra-day, day ahead. Another one is more third-party organization of PPAs. Three examples. Our focus is on our core, which is power in Europe, so you should not see this as us increasing our risk appetite across gas or elsewhere, but we focus on our core. But those are a few examples of where we see the uplift. And then I would have to ask you to ask the first one one more time.
Speaker #4: Three examples. Our focus is on our core, which is power in Europe. So you should not see this as us increasing our risk appetite across gas or elsewhere, but we focus on our focus on our core.
Speaker #4: But those are a few examples of where we see where we see the uplift. And then I would have to ask you to ask the first one one more time.
Speaker #10: Yes. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to react to the first question. So the question was about redundancy measures and potentially, I think that you mentioned 600 million of costs that you have recognized in Q4 regarding indeed right-sizing of the company.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Yes, thank you for giving me the opportunity to re-ask the first question. So the question was about redundancy measures, and potentially, I think that you mentioned DKK 600 million of costs that you have-
[Analyst] (Kepler Cheuvreux): ... recognized in Q4 regarding indeed the right sizing of of the company. I was wondering if you could confirm if it is the total cost that will be expected for the redundancy measures, or if there is other additional costs that we could expect in 2026 and eventually 2027?
Speaker #10: And I was wondering if you could confirm if it is the total cost that will be expected for the redundancy measures or if there is other additional costs that we could expect in 26 and eventually 2027.
Speaker #4: Well, thank you, Louis. It's good to hear the question. Yes, it's just to recap. What we say is that we have approximately 750 million charged in '25 for right-sizing and restructuring.
Rasmus Errboe: Well, thank you, Louis. It's good to hear the question. Yes, it's just to recap, what we say is that we have approximately DKK 750 million charged in 2025 for right sizing and restructuring. Of that, the provision is slightly more than DKK 500 million of that, and the 202 to 250 is what is cost relative to the right sizing effects that we did in 2025. Accounting rules has its limitations relative to providing for restructuring and how concrete they have to be. So, I would say that we have catered for the ones that we have decided and have clear sight on how to do. There might be some additional.
Speaker #4: Of that, the provision is slightly more than 500 of that. And the 200 to 250 is what is cost relative to the right-sizing effects that we did in '25.
Speaker #4: Accounting rules has its limitation relative to providing for restructuring and how concrete they have to be. So I would say that we have catered for the ones that we have decided and have clear sites on how to do.
Speaker #4: There might be some additional. We do not, as significant. But of course, as we go of this point, see it as along and look at the roadmap towards '28, it might come up.
Rasmus Errboe: We do not, as of this point, see it as significant, but of course, as we go along and look at the roadmap towards 2028, it might come up, but we will be transparent of it.
Speaker #4: But we will be transparent on
Speaker #4: But we will be transparent on it. Thank you for the—
[Analyst] (Kepler Cheuvreux): Thank you for the clarification.
Speaker #10: clarification. The next question comes from
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Dominic Nash from Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: A line of Dominic Nash from Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead.
Speaker #10: Good afternoon, and
[Analyst] (Barclays): Good afternoon, and thank you for my question. The question I've got is, looking at your 30% cost reduction in wind costs by 2040, I believe, do you think that that's achievable without a Chinese supply chain? And could you let us know how advanced you are in discussions with sort of Chinese providers of turbines and offshore wind products, and where you think that puts you relative to the competitive disadvantages and advantages against your sort of developer peers? Thank you.
Speaker #10: Thank you for my question. The question I've got is: looking at your 30% cost reduction in wind costs by 2040, I believe, do you think that that's achievable without a Chinese supply chain?
Speaker #10: And could you let us know how advanced you are in discussions with sort of Chinese providers of turbines and offshore wind products and where you think that puts you relative to your competitive disadvantages and advantages against your sort of developer peers?
Speaker #10: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Dominic. So in short, the first part of your question yes, I do believe that the Europeans' supply chain is able to deliver on the commitments put out Monday last week.
Rasmus Errboe: Thank you, Dominic. So in short, the first part of your question, yes, I do believe that the European supply chain is able to deliver on the commitment put out Monday last week. The European supply chain is quite robust, and in only the last 3 years it has invested more than EUR 14 billion across 20 European countries in the supply chain. Roughly 50 percent on manufacturing, 20 percent in vessels, 30 percent in ports.
Speaker #4: The European supply chain is quite robust. And over the last three years, it has invested more than €14 billion across 20 European countries in the supply chain.
Speaker #4: 50% roughly on manufacturing, 20% in vessels, 30% in ports. And with the predictability that is now sort of there from the North Sea offshore wind investment pact, we do expect to see further ramp-up from the supply chain.
Rasmus Errboe: And with the predictability that is now sort of there from the North Sea offshore wind investment pact, we do expect to see further ramp up from the supply chain. Roughly EUR 10 billion required to get our numbers to get to 15 gigawatts per year, and we believe that that is possible. As for our own sort of approach, we are a global company present across three continents, and we do operate in a business with a global supply chain. And of course, the robustness and diversification are important priorities for us, and we do assess different technologies and suppliers.
Speaker #4: Roughly €10 billion required to get our numbers to get to €15 believe that that is possible. As for our own sort of approach, we are a global company present across three continents.
Speaker #4: And we do operate in a business with a global supply chain. And of course, a robustness and diversification are important priorities for us. And we do assess different technologies and suppliers.
Speaker #4: And when we do it, we do it based on quality, technological maturity, capability, ESG, regulatory, etc. And we do also follow the development in China on the turbine side, as you are alluding to, as part of our normal market sort of surveying.
Rasmus Errboe: And when we do it, we do it based on quality, technological maturity, capability, ESG, regulatory, et cetera. And we do also follow the development in China on the turbine side, as you are alluding to, as part of our normal market sort of surveying. But we have no projects in our portfolio, in our pipeline, using Chinese turbines. So we are following the development in the market like any other developer would do, and as I expect also most of our colleagues are.
Speaker #4: But we have no projects in our portfolio or in our pipeline using Chinese turbines. So we are following the development in the market like any other developer would do.
Speaker #4: And as I expect, also most of our colleagues are.
Speaker #10: So sorry, can I just follow up? Apologies. I know that probably like a second question, but it's similar. I presume, though, that if someone were to use Chinese products in the North Sea and it were seen to be cheaper, that once that's been sort of de-risked, then other developers would follow them?
[Analyst] (Barclays): Sorry, can I just follow up? Apology, I know that probably like a second question, but it's similar. I presume, though, that if someone were to use Chinese products in the North Sea, and it were seen to be cheaper, the ones that's been sort of de-risked, then other developers would follow them, or do you think they'll still remain in the European supply chain?
Speaker #10: Or do you think they'll still remain with the European supply chain?
Speaker #4: That becomes a bit too speculative for me, Dominic. I think our view is, as I stated before, I can best speak on our own behalf.
Rasmus Errboe: That becomes a bit too speculative for me, Dominic. I think our view is, as I stated before, I can best speak on our own behalf.
Speaker #10: Thank you very much.
[Analyst] (Barclays): Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: We now have a question from Ingo Becker from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.
Operator: We now have a question from the line of Ingo Becker from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Yeah, thank you very much. Good afternoon. First, I have a question placed on your $35 billion divestment. I think you broke it down before in terms of the total program.
[Analyst] (Kepler Cheuvreux): Yeah, thank you very much. Good afternoon. First, I have a question, please, on your DKK 35 billion divestment. I think you broke it down before in terms of the total program, but I'm interested in the balance sheet date, with the view of your fiscal year-end balance sheet, how much of the DKK 35 billion has been cash effective, booked in the balance sheet, and how much is left on the cash flow statement as a DKK 12.5 billion figure, which would mean DKK 22.5 billion cash effective would be left, but I'm not sure that's the right way of looking at it.
Speaker #11: But I'm interested in the balance sheet date with the view of you fiscally and balance sheet. How much of the 35 billion has been cash effective booked in the balance sheet, and how much is left in the cash flow statement as a 12 and a half billion figure, which would mean 22 and a half billion cash effective would be left?
Speaker #11: way of looking at it. And my second But I'm not sure that's the right question would be, on your 28 ABDA, I know you have not given guidance, but you gave us a helping hand last year by helping us with the likely composition of that number and the consensus made out of this.
[Analyst] (Kepler Cheuvreux): My second question would be on your 2028 EBITDA. I know you have not given guidance, but you gave us a helping hand last year by helping us with the likely composition of that number, and the consensus made out of this something like DKK 37 billion. Not asking you to confirm that 37, but if we assume for one second that 37 is the right figure, does this change with the proceeds moving from DKK 35 billion to DKK 46 billion, taking a potential accounting effect into account? So would the EBITDA still be the same or would it change? Thank you.
Speaker #11: Something like 37 billion. Not asking you to confirm that 37, but if we assume, for one second, that 37 is the right figure, does this change with the proceeds moving from 35 billion to 46 billion taking a potential accounting effect into account?
Speaker #11: So would the ABDA still be the same, or would it change? Thank you.
Trond Westlie: When it comes to the cash effects, it's basically Changhua and European onshore that has not been a part of the cash effects per the end of 2025. So if you look at the debt effects going forward, the effects that's gonna happen, it's two elements on Changhua. It's because we have 100% of the asset until COD. When we sell off 55%, we will of course deconsolidate the project, and the project has then approximately DKK 20 billion in debt. So that debt will be then deconsolidated as a part of the transaction. In addition to that, and there will be approximately DKK 5 billion in proceeds. And then in addition to that, it's around DKK 10 billion coming out of Europe onshore sale when it closes.
Speaker #4: When it comes to the cash effects, what I would it's basically Changwa and European onshore that has not been a part of the cash effects per the end of '25.
Speaker #4: So if you look at the debt effects going forward, the effects that are going to happen are two elements on Changwa. It's because we have 100% of the assets until COD. When we sell off 55%, we will, of course, deconsolidate the project.
Speaker #4: And the project has then approximately €20 billion in debt. So that debt will be then de-consolidated as a part of the transaction in addition to that.
Speaker #4: And there will be approximately €5 billion in proceeds. And then in addition to that, it's around €10 billion coming out of Europe onshore sale when it closes.
Speaker #4: That is the three elements of the sort of the transaction elements that is not included per year-end '25. When it comes to the 28 numbers, we have not guided on those numbers.
Trond Westlie: That is the three elements of the sort of the transaction elements that is not included per year-end 2025. When it comes to the 2028 numbers, we have not guided on those numbers, so I will, of course, not take your hypothesis as a starting point. What we can do is that we are still saying that the numbers is between 11 and 12 for the 8.1 gigawatts, for the first full year EBITDA effect of those projects. And relative to have an understanding of the elements, we also said during the capital increase, we said that the US projects is around DKK 4.5 billion of that. The DKK 4.5 billion consist of approximately around DKK 1 billion for Revolution Wind, our 50% ownership, and our 100% ownership of Sunrise Wind is about DKK 3.5 billion.
Speaker #4: So I will, of course, not take your hypothesis as a starting point. What we can do is that we are still saying that the numbers is between €11 and €12 for the €8.1 gigawatts for the first full year EBITDA effect of those projects.
Speaker #4: And relative to have an understanding of the elements, we also said during the capital increase we said that the US projects is around €4.5 billion of that.
Speaker #4: The €4.5 billion consists of approximately around €1 billion for Revolution, or 50% ownership, and our 100% ownership of Sunrise is about €3.5 billion. So just to be clear, we can reiterate those numbers for the full year—the first full year after COD year for those projects.
Trond Westlie: So, just to be clear, that we can reiterate those numbers for the full year, the first full years of the COD year for those projects.
Speaker #11: Right. Thank you very
[Analyst] (Kepler Cheuvreux): Right. Thank you very much.
Speaker #11: much. Ladies and
Speaker #2: gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Rasmus Errboe for any closing
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Rasmus Errboe for any closing remarks.
Speaker #2: remarks. Thank you all
Trond Westlie: Thank you all very much for joining. We appreciate the interaction and the interest, and as always, if you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to reach out. Our IR team will be here to answer all of them. Thank you, stay safe, and have a great day.
Speaker #4: very much for joining. We appreciate the interaction and the interest. And as always, if you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to reach out.
