Q1 2026 F&G Annuities & Life Inc Earnings Call

May 7, 2026

Operator 2: Good morning. Welcome to the F&G's Q1 Earnings Call. During today's presentation, all callers will be placed in listen-only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, the conference will be opened for questions with instructions to follow at that time. I would now like to turn the call over to Lisa Foxworthy-Parker, SVP, Investor and External Relations. Please go ahead.

Operator: Good morning. Welcome to the F&G's Q1 Earnings Call. During today's presentation, all callers will be placed in listen-only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, the conference will be opened for questions with instructions to follow at that time. I would now like to turn the call over to Lisa Foxworthy-Parker, SVP, Investor and External Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: I would now like to turn the call over to Lisa Foxworthy Parker, SVP Investor and External Relations, please go ahead. Thanks, Operator, and welcome everyone.

Lisa Foxworthy-Parker: Thanks, operator, and welcome everyone. I'm joined today by Chris Blunt, Chief Executive Officer, and Conor Murphy, President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's earnings call may include forward-looking statements and projections under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act, which do not guarantee future events or performance. We do not undertake any duty to revise or update such statements to reflect new information, subsequent events, or changes in strategy. Please refer to our most recent quarterly and annual reports and other SEC filings for details on important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied. This morning's discussion also includes non-GAAP measures, which management believes are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. Non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to GAAP where required and in accordance with SEC rules within our earnings materials available on the company's investor website.

Speaker #2: I'm joined today by Chris Blunt, Chief Executive Officer, and Conor Murphy, President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's earnings call may include forward-looking statements and projections under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act, which do not guarantee future events or performance.

Speaker #2: We do not undertake any duty to revise or update such statements to reflect new information subsequent events or changes in strategy. Please refer to our most recent quarterly and annual reports and other FCC filings for details on important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied.

Speaker #2: This morning's discussion also includes non-GAAP measures, which management believes are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. Non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to GAAP, where required and in accordance with FCC rules, within our earnings materials available on the company's investor website.

Speaker #2: Please note that today's call is being recorded and will be available for webcast replay. And with that, I'll hand the call over to Chris Blunt.

Lisa Foxworthy-Parker: Please note that today's call is being recorded and will be available for webcast replay. With that, I'll hand the call over to Chris Blunt.

Speaker #3: Good morning and thanks for joining today's call. The first quarter was a solid start to the year and in line with our expectations. Today I'll share some highlights of the business as well as details of our investment portfolio and capital allocation.

Chris Blunt: Good morning, thanks for joining today's call. The Q1 was a solid start to the year and in line with our expectations. Today, I'll share some highlights of the business as well as details of our investment portfolio and capital allocation. I'll turn it over to Conor to cover results in more detail. Starting with business highlights. From a top-line perspective, F&G has consistently grown AUM in recent years. We have generated strong free cash flow and reinvested it back into the business, driving our diversification and accelerating our growth that has brought AUM before reinsurance to nearly $75 billion at the end of Q1, an 18% compound annual growth rate since 2019. Today, F&G is a recognized market leader across multiple products and distribution channels with a strong strategic foothold in large and growing markets.

Speaker #3: Then I'll turn it over to Conor to cover results in more detail. Starting with business highlights, from a top-line perspective, F&G has consistently grown AUM in recent years.

Speaker #3: We have generated strong free cash flow and reinvested it back into the business, driving our diversification and accelerating our growth that has brought AUM before reinsurance to nearly 75 billion dollars at the end of the first quarter, an 18% compound annual growth rate since 2019.

Speaker #3: Today F&G is a recognized market leader across multiple products and distribution channels with a strong strategic foothold in large and growing markets. The retirement landscape is creating a powerful and lasting demand for our business.

Chris Blunt: The retirement landscape is creating a powerful and lasting demand for our business. The Peak 65 retirement wave is driving unprecedented demand for guaranteed income and growth solutions. With more than 4 million Americans turning age 65 every year through 2027 at a rate of 11,000 people per day, this structural tailwind is fueling industry sales in the US across retailed indexed annuities, indexed universal life, and pension risk transfer, which are our core product lines. Industry results are more mixed for our opportunistic products. Funding agreement-backed notes reached record industry issuance last year, while the multi-year guaranteed annuity market began to normalize in Q4 as consumers felt less urgency to lock in rates following the interest rate movements earlier last year.

Speaker #3: The peak 65 retirement wave is driving unprecedented demand for guaranteed income and growth solutions. With more than 4 million Americans turning age 65 every year through 2027, at a rate of 11,000 people per day, this structural tailwind is fueling industry sales in the US across retailed indexed annuities, indexed universal life and pension risk transfer, which are our core product lines.

Speaker #3: Industry results are more mixed for our opportunistic products. Funding agreement back notes reach record industry issuance last year, while the multi-year guaranteed annuity market began to normalize in the fourth quarter as consumers felt less urgency to lock in rates, following the interest rate movements earlier last year.

Speaker #3: As F&G navigates the competitive landscape, we are focused on disciplined sales growth and capital allocation priorities between core and opportunistic sales to power our AUM growth.

Chris Blunt: As F&G navigates the competitive landscape, we are focused on disciplined sales growth and capital allocation priorities between core and opportunistic sales to power our AUM growth. We view AUM as our primary metric to track the top-line growth of our business as sales volumes may fluctuate year to year depending on opportunities and returns. Having reached a meaningful level of scale, our focus has shifted to continuing to improve margins and expand ROE. We are intentionally shaping our product mix, managing our sales volumes, and utilizing flow reinsurance to capture the highest return opportunities and deliver sustainable long-term value while growing AUM. From a bottom line perspective, we have intentionally diversified our business over the last five years across our spread and fee-based strategies.

Speaker #3: We view AUM as our primary metric to track the top-line growth of our business as sales volumes may fluctuate year to year depending on opportunities and returns.

Speaker #3: Having reached a meaningful level of scale, our focus has shifted to continuing to improve margins and expand ROE. We are intentionally shaping our product mix managing our sales volumes and utilizing flow reinsurance to capture the highest return opportunities and deliver sustainable long-term value while growing AUM.

Speaker #3: From a bottom-line perspective, we have intentionally diversified our business over the last five years across our spread and fee-based strategies. This diversification further reinforces the durability of our business model and it supports a more predictable and higher quality earnings as well as expanded returns over time.

Chris Blunt: This diversification further reinforces the durability of our business model, and it supports a more predictable and higher quality earnings as well as expanded returns over time. For our spread-based business, we have a long and proven track record across varying interest rate environments, including the current landscape where credit spreads remain near historical lows despite recent volatility. Our approach is straightforward and disciplined. We source attractive, stable, and surrender charge-protected liabilities. We source high-quality assets with a deep understanding of our liabilities to achieve well-matched asset and liability cash flows. We have a clear line of sight to investment returns, actively managing our new business pricing and in-force renewals to maintain spreads. The result is a stable cost of crediting aligned to our expanding in-force book that generates steady long-term growth in spread-based earnings over time.

Speaker #3: For our spread-based business, we have a long and proven track record across varying interest rate environments, including the current landscape where credit spreads remain near historical lows despite recent volatility.

Speaker #3: Our approach is straightforward and disciplined. We source attractive, stable, and surrender-charge-protected liabilities. We source high-quality assets with a deep understanding of our liabilities to achieve well-matched asset and liability cash flows.

Speaker #3: And we have a clear line of sight to investment returns actively managing our new business pricing and enforce renewals to maintain spreads. The result is a stable cost of crediting aligned to our expanding enforce book, that generates steady, long-term growth in spread-based earnings over time.

Speaker #3: This is complemented by the increased earnings contribution from our fee-based strategies including flow reinsurance, owned distribution, and middle-market life insurance. These strategies are higher margin, less capital intensive, and positioned to generate higher returns and valuation over time.

Chris Blunt: This is complemented by the increased earnings contribution from our fee-based strategies, including flow reinsurance, own distribution, and multicultural middle market life insurance. These strategies are higher margin, less capital intensive, and positioned to generate higher returns and valuation over time. In 2025, fee-based strategies represented approximately 15% of our adjusted net earnings, excluding significant items, and we expect that mix to grow to approximately 25% by year-end 2028. As the mix shifts, we believe ROE will become the most important return measure for our business, reflecting the higher quality and capital efficiency of our growing earnings base. Next, shifting to our investment portfolio. Our $53 billion retained investment portfolio is well-diversified and performing very well. The retained portfolio is high quality, with 97% of fixed maturities being investment grade.

Speaker #3: In 2025, fee-based strategies represented approximately 15% of our adjusted net earnings, excluding significant items, and we expect that mix to grow to approximately 25% by year-end 2028.

Speaker #3: As the mix shifts, we believe ROE will become the most important return measure for our business, reflecting the higher quality and capital efficiency of our growing earnings base.

Speaker #3: Next, shifting to our investment portfolio. Our 53 billion dollar retained investment portfolio is well-diversified and performing very well. The retained portfolio is high quality, with 97% of fixed maturities being investment grade.

Speaker #3: I'll walk through some highlights of our five primary asset classes as shown on slide 26 in our spring investor presentation. Including fixed income, public structured, private origination, mortgage loans, and alternative investments.

Chris Blunt: I'll walk through some highlights of our 5 primary asset classes as shown on slide 26 in our spring investor presentation, including fixed income, public structured, private origination, mortgage loans, and alternative investments. First, our traditional liquid fixed income portfolio is $18 billion or 34% of the total retained portfolio. This portfolio is anchored in high-grade public bonds and traditional 144A private placement securities. Next, our public structured portfolio is $11 billion or 21% of the total retained portfolio and provides access to well-diversified and high-quality assets across 3 categories, including $5 billion in CMBS and non-agency RMBS focused on stable property types with built-in structural protections, $5 billion in CLOs that are well-diversified across industries, issuers, and managers with a focus on investment-grade tranches and ample par subordination, and $1 billion in high-quality ABS that is well-diversified by collateral type.

Speaker #3: First, our traditional liquid fixed income portfolio is 18 billion or 34% of the total retained portfolio. This portfolio is anchored in high-grade public bonds and traditional 144A, private placement securities.

Speaker #3: Next, our public structured portfolio is 11 billion or 21% of the total retained portfolio, and provides access to well-diversified and high-quality assets across three categories, including 5 billion in CMBS and non-agency RMBS, focused on stable property types with built-in structural protections.

Speaker #3: 5 billion in CLOs that are well-diversified across industries, issuers, and managers, with a focus on investment-grade tranches and ample par subordination. And 1 billion in high-quality ABS that is well-diversified by collateral type.

Speaker #3: As an aside, we view that NAIC's proposal for higher capital charges on CLOs invested in broadly syndicated loans is very manageable. After properly adjusting for funds withheld reinsurance assets, the effect of the proposal for our CLO portfolio would translate to a decrease in RBC of 5 points or less as a conservative estimate.

Chris Blunt: As an aside, we view the NAIC's proposal for higher capital charges on CLOs invested in broadly syndicated loans as very manageable. After properly adjusting for funds withheld reinsurance assets, the effect of the proposal for our CLO portfolio would translate to a decrease in RBC of 5 points or less as a conservative estimate. Next, our private origination portfolio is 11 billion or 21% of the total retained portfolio. Private origination is a key component of our investment strategy. It provides enhanced yield while limiting additional credit risk, as well as diversification and strong covenant protection. Our private origination portfolio is well-diversified and includes corporate and commercial lending, consumer loans, real estate, and other real asset exposures. From a ratings perspective, approximately 90% of the private origination debt portfolio is investment grade and included within the 97% investment grade for our total fixed income portfolio.

Speaker #3: Next, our private origination portfolio is 11 billion or 21% of the total retained portfolio. Private origination is a key component of our investment strategy.

Speaker #3: It provides enhanced yield while limiting additional credit risk, as well as diversification and strong covenant protection. Our private origination portfolio is well-diversified and includes corporate and commercial lending, consumer loans, real estate, and other real asset exposures.

Speaker #3: From a ratings perspective, approximately 90% of the private origination debt portfolio is investment grade and included within the 97% investment grade for our total fixed income portfolio.

Speaker #3: We primarily use the top five nationally recognized statistical rating organizations. Nearly 90% of the private origination debt portfolio and 94% of the rated assets in our total fixed income portfolio are rated by at least one of the top five rating agencies.

Chris Blunt: We primarily use the top 5 nationally recognized statistical rating organizations. Nearly 90% of the private origination debt portfolio and 94% of the rated assets in our total fixed income portfolio are rated by at least one of the top 5 rating agencies. Further, 64% of our total fixed income portfolio is dual rated by 2 rating agencies, with at least one being one of the big 3. Egan-Jones ratings are de minimis at less than 1% of our total retained portfolio. Private letter ratings account for approximately 18% of our total retained portfolio and undergo the same analytical rigor as public ratings. When it comes to private asset origination, most of these are directly originated asset classes that have historically been underwritten by commercial banks and have a long performance history over multiple market cycles, providing observable data for thorough underwriting.

Speaker #3: Further, 64% of our total fixed income portfolio is dual rated by two rating agencies, with at least one being one of the big three.

Speaker #3: Egan-Jones ratings are de minimis at less than 1% of our total retained portfolio. And private letter ratings account for approximately 18% of our total retained portfolio, and undergo the same analytical rigor as public ratings.

Speaker #3: When it comes to private asset origination, most of these are directly originated asset classes that have historically been underwritten by commercial banks and have a long performance history over multiple market cycles, providing observable data for thorough underwriting.

Speaker #3: Here, we utilize Blackstone's best-in-class origination, underwriting and structuring teams to source high-quality pools of physical and financial assets. The combination of Blackstone's structuring talent, our ability to complement Blackstone's ability with other asset managers, the track record of these assets, and our thorough due diligence has helped generate attractive, risk-adjusted returns for F&G that have performed very well to date and through stress environments like the COVID pandemic.

Chris Blunt: Here, we utilize Blackstone's best-in-class origination, underwriting, and structuring teams to source high-quality pools of physical and financial assets. The combination of Blackstone's structuring talent, our ability to complement Blackstone's ability with other asset managers, the track record of these assets, and our thorough due diligence has helped generate attractive risk-adjusted returns for F&G that have performed very well to date and through stress environments like the COVID pandemic. Recent headlines have been focused on middle market lending to mid-size corporations. I'd like to provide further details on this subset of our private origination portfolio. Middle market corporate lending is nearly $5 billion or 9% of the total retained portfolio. 89% of our middle market lending positions are investment grade. We have low loan-to-value ratios and strong structural subordination. We are lending to sizable high-quality companies with average annual EBITDA over $200 million.

Speaker #3: Recent headlines have been focused on middle-market lending to mid-sized corporations. I'd like to provide further details on this subset of our private origination portfolio.

Speaker #3: Middle-market corporate lending is nearly 5 billion or 9% of the total retained portfolio. 89% of our middle-market lending positions are investment grade. We have low loan-to-value ratios and strong structural subordination.

Speaker #3: We are lending to sizable, high-quality companies with average annual EBITDA over 200 million dollars. We have a track record of near zero credit losses, and the upgrade to downgrade ratio is positive for our private origination corporate exposure.

Chris Blunt: We have a track record of near zero credit losses, and the upgrade to downgrade ratio is positive for our private origination corporate exposure. Next, our mortgage loan portfolio is $7 billion or 13% of the total retained portfolio. It is weighted toward defensive sectors with 2/3 in residential loans and the remainder in commercial loans concentrated in multifamily and industrial properties, two segments that have demonstrated resilience across varying economic conditions. Finally, our alternatives portfolio is $4 billion or approximately 7% of the total retained portfolio. This includes approximately $3 billion of limited partnerships and $1 billion of other equity interests. Under our updated definition of alternative assets discussed last quarter, we have reclassified approximately $6 billion of lower yielding debt-like assets into our fixed income portfolio.

Speaker #3: Next, our mortgage loan portfolio is 7 billion or 13% of the total retained portfolio. It is weighted toward defensive sectors, with two-thirds in residential loans and the remainder in commercial loans concentrated in multifamily and industrial properties, two segments that have demonstrated resilience across varying economic conditions.

Speaker #3: Finally, our alternative portfolio is 4 billion or approximately 7% of the total retained portfolio. This includes approximately 3 billion of limited partnerships and 1 billion of other equity interests.

Speaker #3: Under our updated definition of alternative assets discussed last quarter, we have reclassified approximately $6 billion of lower-yielding debt-like assets into our fixed income portfolio.

Speaker #3: As a result of this updated definition, we have revised our long-term expected return assumption from 10% to a range of 12 to 14% for the remaining LP and equities portfolio.

Chris Blunt: As a result of this updated definition, we have revised our long-term expected return assumption from 10% to a range of 12% to 14% for the remaining LP and equities portfolio. Many of these alternative investments are still in the earlier phases of their value creation cycle, so we are not yet fully realizing the long-term expected returns. During the Q1, we saw improvement in our annualized return at 8.3%, up from 7.8% in the sequential quarter. Next, with regard to our overall portfolio, our fixed income yield was 4.77% in the Q1, in line with the Q1 of 2025. Relative to the Q4 of 2025, our yield decreased 16 basis points as a result of four items in the Q1.

Speaker #3: Many of these alternative investments are still in the earlier phases of their value creation cycle, so we are not yet fully realizing the long-term expected returns.

Speaker #3: During the first quarter, we saw improvement in our annualized return at 8.3%, up from 7.8% in the sequential quarter. Next, with regard to our overall portfolio, our fixed income yield was 4.77% in the first quarter, in line with the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #3: Relative to the fourth quarter of 2025, our yield decreased 16 basis points as a result of four items in the first quarter. The removal of the assets associated with our sale of FG Life Re, lower yields on floating rate assets, lower preferred stock dividends due to seasonality, and an investment expense true-up adjustment.

Chris Blunt: The removal of the assets associated with our sale of F&G Life Re, lower yields on floating rate assets, lower preferred stock dividends due to seasonality, and an investment expense true-up adjustment. These were largely one-time items or due to timing. Excluding these items, we maintained our core spread in line with Q4. As a reminder, our fixed income yield excludes alternative investment income as well as variable investment income, which we define as prepayment fees. SOFR exposure across the total retained portfolio is below 5% and relatively short duration. The vast majority of our SOFR positions are protected by high switching costs, large competitive moats, regulatory barriers, and/or embedded in workflows that are difficult to disrupt. We believe this exposure is very manageable. Credit-related impairments have remained low and stable, averaging 6 basis points over the past 5 years.

Speaker #3: These were largely one-time items or due to timing. Excluding these items, we maintained our core spread in line with the fourth quarter. As a reminder, our fixed income yield excludes alternative investment income, as well as variable investment income, which we define as prepayment fees.

Speaker #3: Software exposure across the total retained portfolio is below 5% and relatively short duration. The vast majority of our software positions are protected by high switching costs, large competitive moats, and/or embedded in workflows that are difficult to disrupt, we believe this exposure is very manageable.

Speaker #3: Credit-related impairments have remained low and stable. Averaging 6 basis points over the past five years. Through the first quarter, credit-related impairments were a modest 3 basis points.

Chris Blunt: Through Q1, credit-related impairments were a modest three basis points. Portfolio credit quality has improved over time through implementation of de-risking programs. Since 2020, we have selectively repositioned over $2 billion of assets to optimize, de-risk, and position the portfolio to perform in varying market conditions while also improving credit quality. We believe our portfolio is performing exceptionally well, as expected, and conservatively positioned to withstand economic downturns. Now turning to the liability side of our balance sheet and how we think about the intrinsic value of our business. F&G reported GAAP equity excluding AOCI of $6.2 billion at quarter end and has grown its book value per share, excluding AOCI to $46.51, up 70% since the 2020 FNF acquisition. We think about our business as three distinct and complementary value creating components.

Speaker #3: Portfolio credit quality has improved over time through implementation of de-risking programs. Since 2020, we have selectively repositioned over 2 billion of assets to optimize, de-risk, and position the portfolio to perform in varying market conditions while also improving credit quality.

Speaker #3: We believe our portfolio's performing exceptionally well as expected and conservatively positioned to withstand economic downturns. Now, turning to the liability side of our balance sheet and how we think about the intrinsic value of our business.

Speaker #3: F&G reported gap equity excluding AOCI of 6.2 billion at quarter end and has grown its book value per share excluding AOCI to 46.51, up 70% since the 2020 F&F acquisition.

Speaker #3: We think about our business as three distinct and complementary value-creating components. Our new business platform, our profitable enforced block, and our capital light fee-based strategies.

Chris Blunt: Our new business platform, our profitable in-force block, and our capital light fee-based strategies. Each contributes meaningfully to earnings. Together they support a compelling sum of the parts valuation. At the core of our business is a high quality and profitable in-force book that delivers steady spread income on a growing AUM base. We do not have any problematic legacy blocks of business. Our GAAP net reserves of $55 billion are diversified across $37 billion of retail fixed annuities, $8 billion of pension risk transfer liabilities, and $7 billion of funding agreements. In addition, our $3 billion index universal life in-force book is less capital intensive than our annuity business and generates significant recurring product fee income annually. This is a top 10 IUL franchise with strong positioning in the multicultural middle market that has demonstrated above average growth rates.

Speaker #3: Each contributes meaningfully to earnings and together they support a compelling sum of the parts valuation. At the core of our business is a high-quality and profitable enforced book that delivers steady spread income on a growing AUM base.

Speaker #3: We do not have any problematic, legacy blocks of business. Our gap net reserves of 55 billion are diversified across 37 billion of retail fixed annuities, 8 billion of pension risk transfer liabilities, and 7 billion of funding agreements.

Speaker #3: In addition, our 3 billion dollar index universal life enforced book is less capital intensive than our annuity business and generates significant recurring product fee income annually.

Speaker #3: This is a top 10 IUL franchise with strong positioning in the cultural middle market that has demonstrated above-average growth rates. F&G is also uniquely positioned to provide flow reinsurance to third parties and through our sidecar.

Chris Blunt: F&G is also uniquely positioned to provide flow reinsurance to third parties and through our sidecar, a capital-efficient strategy that generates fee-based returns. Demand for reinsurance capacity has greatly increased in recent years, we have reinsured over $15 billion of cumulative annuity new business. Our own distribution franchise, Peak Altitude, rounds out the picture. With approximately $700 million deployed into this business and approximately $80 million in annual EBITDA, we believe the value of Peak is not fully appreciated by the market or reflected in our current share price. As a result, we have initiated a formal process to explore strategic alternatives for Peak to capture its significant growth opportunities and unlock that value for our shareholders. Importantly, each of these components, our new business platform, our profitable in-force block, and our capital-light fee-based strategies represent a distinct and measurable source of value.

Speaker #3: A capital-efficient strategy that generates fee-based returns. Demand for reinsurance capacity has greatly increased in recent years, and we have reinsured over 15 billion of cumulative annuity new business.

Speaker #3: Our own distribution franchise peak altitude rounds out the picture with approximately 700 million deployed into this business and approximately 80 million in annual EBITDA, we believe the value of peak is not fully appreciated by the market or reflected in our current share price.

Speaker #3: As a result, we have initiated a formal process to explore strategic alternatives for peak to capture its significant growth opportunities and unlock that value for our shareholders.

Speaker #3: Importantly, each of these components, our new business platform, our profitable enforced block, and our capital light fee-based strategies represent a distinct and measurable source of value.

Speaker #3: Taken together, we believe a sum of the parts framework reveals meaningful value that is not yet fully reflected in F&G's current market valuation, and we remain focused on closing that gap.

Chris Blunt: Taken together, we believe the sum of the parts framework reveals meaningful value that is not yet fully reflected in F&G's current market valuation. We remain focused on closing that gap. Next, turning to capital allocation. During Q1, F&G returned $67 million of capital to shareholders through $38 million of common and preferred dividends and $29 million to repurchase approximately 1.2 million shares of common stock at an average price of $24.14. The company's existing stock repurchase authorization permits aggregate repurchases of up to $50 million, of which approximately $3 million remained available as of 31 March 2026. Effective 13 March 2026, our board of directors authorized an additional new three-year share repurchase program under which F&G may repurchase up to $100 million of common stock.

Speaker #3: Next, turning to capital allocation. During the first quarter, F&G returned 67 million of capital to shareholders through 38 million of common and preferred dividends, and 29 million to repurchase approximately 1.2 million shares of common stock at an average price of 24.14.

Speaker #3: The company's existing authorization permits aggregate repurchases of up to 50 million, of which approximately 3 million remain available as of March 31, 2026. Effective March 13, 2026, our board of directors authorized an additional new three-year share repurchase program under which F&G may repurchase up to 100 million of common stock.

Speaker #3: Our board views repurchasing shares at current levels as a compelling use of capital. Despite the progress we have made to increase our outstanding float through the stock distribution at year-end, buying back shares at current prices reflects our confidence in the results we have delivered and our conviction in the significant long-term opportunities ahead.

Chris Blunt: Our board views repurchasing shares at current levels as a compelling use of capital. Despite the progress we have made to increase our outstanding float through the stock distribution at year-end, buying back shares at current prices reflects our confidence in the results we have delivered and our conviction in the significant long-term opportunities ahead. Let me now turn the call over to Conor to provide further details on F&G's Q1 highlights.

Speaker #3: Let me now turn the call over to Conor to provide further details on F&G's first quarter highlights.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Chris. This morning, I will provide some additional details of our earnings, asset growth, and other performance drivers, as well as our strong capital position.

Conor Murphy: Thank you, Chris. This morning, I will provide some additional details of our earnings, asset growth, and other performance drivers, as well as our strong capital position. Starting with earnings. On a reported basis, adjusted net earnings were $110 million or $0.82 per share in Q1. Alternative investment income was $44 million or $0.32 per share below management's long-term expected return for the quarter. Adjusted net earnings included an unfavorable significant item totaling $5 million or $0.03 per share from investment and other income true-up adjustments. As Chris mentioned, effective 1 January 2026, our presentation of investment income for alternative investments does not include fixed income assets. Prior periods are presented on a comparable basis to reflect the new definition.

Speaker #2: Starting with earnings, on a reported basis, adjusted net earnings were 110 million or 82 cents per share in the first quarter. Alternative investment income was 44 million or 32 cents per share below management's long-term expected return for the quarter.

Speaker #2: Adjusted net earnings included an unfavorable significant item totaling 5 million, or 3 cents per share, from investment in other income drew up adjustments. As Chris mentioned, effective January 1, 2026, our presentation of investment income for alternative investments does not include fixed income assets.

Speaker #2: Prior periods are presented on a comparable basis to reflect the new definition. We believe this updated definition more appropriately delineates between the fixed income portfolio and alternative investments while also improving comparability to others in the industry.

Conor Murphy: We believe this updated definition more appropriately delineates between the fixed income portfolio and alternative investments while also improving comparability to others in the industry. Importantly, this updated definition does not have any impact to adjusted net earnings on an as-reported basis. Please see page 42 in our spring investor presentation for further details. Overall, as compared to the prior year, adjusted net earnings reflect retained asset growth, growing fees from accretive flow reinsurance, steady owned distribution margin, and operating expense discipline driving scale benefit. Q1 results were in line with our expectation, and our core spread remained consistent with the Q4 of 2025. With regard to asset growth, we achieved record gross AUM of nearly $75 billion, up 11% over $67 billion for the Q1 of 2025.

Speaker #2: Importantly, this updated definition does not have any impact to adjusted net earnings on an as-reported basis. Please see page 42 in our Spring investor presentation for further details.

Speaker #2: Overall, as compared to the prior year, adjusted net earnings reflect retained asset growth, growing fees from accretive flow reinsurance, steady owned distribution margin, and operating expense discipline driving scale benefit.

Speaker #2: First quarter results were in line with our expectation, and our core spread remained consistent with the fourth quarter of 2025. With regard to asset growth, we achieved record gross AUM of nearly 75 billion, up 11% over 67 billion for the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: Retained AUM was 56 billion for the first quarter, up 3% over 55 billion for the prior year quarter. The current period excludes a 1.8 billion enforced block reinsured with a sale of the FG Life Re legal entity effective March 1, 2026.

Conor Murphy: Retained AUM was $56 billion for Q1, up 3% over $55 billion for the prior year quarter. The current period excludes a $1.8 billion in-force block reinsured with the sale of the F&G Life Re legal entity effective 1 March 2026. F&G reported growth sales of $3.2 billion for Q1, up 10% over $2.9 billion for Q1 2025. This includes core sales of $2 billion for Q1, up 11% over Q1 2025. This reflects higher core retail indexed annuity and indexed universal life sales and pension risk transfer sales. This also includes $1.2 billion of opportunistic sales for Q1, up 9% over Q1 2025.

Speaker #2: F&G reported growth sales of 3.2 billion for the first quarter, up 10% over 2.9 billion for the first quarter of 2025. This includes core sales of 2 billion for the first quarter, up 11% over the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: This reflects higher core retail index annuity and indexed universal life sales and pension risk transfer sales. This also includes 1.2 billion of opportunistic sales for the first quarter, up 9% over the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: This reflects 1 billion of funding agreements in line with the prior year, and 200 million of multi-year guaranteed annuities which we intentionally moderated to allocate capital to the highest return opportunities.

Conor Murphy: This reflects $1 billion of funding agreements in line with the prior year and $200 million of multi-year guaranteed annuities, which we intentionally moderated to allocate capital to the highest return opportunities. F&G's net sales were $2.2 billion in Q1. This reflects flow reinsurance in line with capital targets for multi-year guaranteed annuities and fixed indexed annuities. The Q1 showcased the diversity of our new business engine, allowing us to flex across our products and channels to source the most attractive liabilities in the current environment to grow AUM. Next, turning to fee-based earnings. Our fee income from accretive flow reinsurance was $16 million for Q1, as compared with $13 million in Q1 of 2025. Our fee income from owned distribution margin contributed $9 million for Q1, as compared with $7 million in Q1 of 2025.

Speaker #2: F&G's net sales were 2.2 billion in the first quarter, this reflects flow reinsurance in line with capital targets for multi-year guaranteed annuities and fixed indexed annuities.

Speaker #2: The first quarter showcased the diversity of our new business engine. Allowing us to flex across our products and channels, to source the most attractive liabilities in the current environment to grow AUM.

Speaker #2: Next, turning to fee-based earnings, our fee income from accretive flow reinsurance was $16 million for the first quarter, as compared with $13 million in the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: Our fee income from owned distribution margin contributed 9 million for the first quarter, as compared with 7 million in the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: Next, turning to scale benefit. As F&G grows, we are benefiting from increased scale, as our ratio of operating expense to AUM before reinsurance decreased to 48 basis points at quarter-end, benefiting from higher AUM and due in part to favorable timing of expenses.

Conor Murphy: Next, turning to scale benefit. As F&G grows, we are benefiting from increased scale as our ratio of operating expense to AUM before reinsurance decreased to 48 basis points at quarter end, benefiting from higher AUM and due in part to favorable timing of expenses. This compares with 50 basis points at year-end 2025 and 60 basis points at the end of 2024. As AUM grows and we continue to manage expenses, we expect the operating expense ratio to improve to approximately 45 basis points by year-end 2027 for a cumulative 15 basis point or 25% improvement over the 3-year period. From a return perspective, our reported results include short-term fluctuations from alternative investment income. As reported, adjusted ROE, excluding AOCI, was 8.4% for the Q1.

Speaker #2: This compares with 50 basis points at year-end 2025 and 60 basis points at the end of 2024. As AUM grows and we continue to manage expenses, we expect the operating expense ratio to improve to approximately 45 basis points by year-end 2027 for a cumulative 15 basis point or 25% improvement over the three-year period.

Speaker #2: From a return perspective, our reported results include short-term fluctuations from alternative investment income. As reported adjusted ROE excluding AOCI was 8.4% for the first quarter.

Speaker #2: As reported adjusted ROA was 76 basis points for the quarter, and 87 basis points on our last 12-month basis, which was in line with full year 2025.

Conor Murphy: As reported, adjusted ROA was 76 basis points for the quarter and 87 basis points on a last 12-month basis, which was in line with full year 2025. Taking into consideration management's long-term expected return for alternative investments and the unfavorable significant item would have resulted in 3.4% of additional ROE and 34 basis points of additional ROA for the quarter. Turning to our strong capital position. We remain committed to our long-term target of approximately 25% debt to capitalization, excluding AOCI, and expect that our balance sheet will naturally de-lever over time. We continue to target holding company cash and invested assets at two times interest coverage. Our annualized interest expense is approximately $165 million, or roughly a 7% blended yield on the $2.3 billion of total debt outstanding.

Speaker #2: Taking into consideration management's long-term expected return for alternative investments, and the unfavorable significant item would have resulted in 3.4% of additional ROE and 34 basis points of additional ROA for the quarter.

Speaker #2: Turning to our strong capital committed to our long-term target of approximately 25% debt-to-capitalization excluding AOCI, and expect that our balance sheet will naturally delever over time.

Speaker #2: We continue to target holding company cash and invested assets at two times interest coverage, our annualized interest expense is approximately 165 million, or roughly a 7% blended yield on the 2.3 billion of total debt outstanding.

Speaker #2: We expect to maintain our estimated company action level risk-based capital or RBC ratio above our 400% target. Importantly, F&G maintains strong capitalization and financial flexibility.

Conor Murphy: We expect to maintain our estimated company action level risk-based capital or RBC ratio above our 400% target. Importantly, F&G maintains strong capitalization and financial flexibility. We conservatively manage to the most stringent capital requirements of our regulators and 4 rating agencies. As a reminder, F&G remains a US domiciled company. We are a full US taxpayer, and all new business is originated in our US subsidiaries. Our majority shareholder is FNF, a US domiciled business regulated by Florida and is also a full US taxpayer. To build on Chris's earlier comments, I'd like to provide some added perspective on capital allocation. Our business is built around a diversified and self-funding capital model designed to support growth and reward shareholders without relying on any single source.

Speaker #2: We conservatively manage to the most stringent capital requirements of our regulators and four rating agencies. As a reminder, F&G remains a US domiciled company, we are a full US taxpayer, and all new business is originated in our US subsidiaries.

Speaker #2: Our majority shareholder is F&F, a US domiciled business regulated by Florida, and is also a full US taxpayer. To build on Chris's earlier comments, I'd like to provide some added perspective on capital allocation.

Speaker #2: Our business is built around a diversified and self-funding capital model designed to support growth and reward shareholders without relying on any single source. This is an important part of our story and I want to take a moment to walk through both where our capital comes from and how we put it to work.

Conor Murphy: This is an important part of our story, and I want to take a moment to walk through both where our capital comes from and how we put it to work. We have multiple reliable sources of capital supporting our business. Our in-force generates approximately $1 billion from the existing book of business. We expect even stronger capital generation in the future as we rapidly move toward a more fee-based, higher margin, and less capital-intensive business model. Our reinsurance sidecar provides approximately $1 billion of on-demand third-party capital that we can access without diluting shareholders. Our strategic flow reinsurance partnerships add another layer of flexibility, allowing us to adjust retained sales levels and support cash from operations as we grow. Our statutory excess capital provides additional capital strength in line with our ratings. As the balance sheet continues to de-lever, our available debt capacity will only grow over time.

Speaker #2: We have multiple reliable sources of capital supporting our business. Our enforced generates approximately 1 billion from the existing book of business. We expect even stronger capital generation in the future as we rapidly move toward a more fee-based, higher margin, and less capital-intensive business model.

Speaker #2: Our reinsurance sidecar provides approximately 1 billion of on-demand third-party capital that we can access without diluting shareholders. Our strategic flow reinsurance partnerships add another layer of flexibility.

Speaker #2: Allowing us to adjust retained sales levels and support cash from operations as we grow. Our statutory excess capital provides additional capital strength in line with our ratings.

Speaker #2: And as the balance sheet continues to delever, our available debt capacity will only grow over time. We deploy capital across top priorities. Starting with interest in dividends, we fund our 165 million of annual interest expense and are committed to our 135 million of annual common stock dividend that we have consistently increased over time as well as our 17 million of annual preferred stock dividend.

Conor Murphy: We deploy capital across top priorities. Starting with interest and dividends, we fund our $165 million of annual interest expense and are committed to our $135 million of annual common stock dividend that we have consistently increased over time, as well as our $17 million of annual preferred stock dividend. We also invest for strategic growth. That means reinvesting in our core business to drive continued AUM expansion and selectively pursuing acquisitions to strengthen our own distribution strategy. Finally, as Chris discussed earlier, we launched opportunistic share repurchases during Q1 and have over $100 million of authorization remaining at 31 March. Taken together, our capital allocation reflects the financial strength and flexibility we have built and our confidence in the future.

Speaker #2: We also invest for strategic growth. That means reinvesting in our core business to drive continued AUM expansion and selectively pursuing acquisitions to strengthen our own distribution strategy.

Speaker #2: And finally, as Chris discussed earlier, we launched opportunistic share repurchases during the first quarter and have over 100 million of authorization remaining at March 31st.

Speaker #2: Taken together, our capital allocation reflects the financial strength and flexibility we have built and our confidence in the future. To bring it all together, as I look ahead to the remainder of the year, our focus is clear.

Conor Murphy: To bring it all together, as I look ahead to the remainder of the year, our focus is clear: grow our core revenues and earnings, expand ROE, and create long-term shareholder value. On the top line, we are focused on growing assets under management with an optimized sales mix that maximizes return on capital. For our core retail products, we expect indexed annuity and indexed universal life sales growth to track in line with the strong industry trends Chris outlined earlier. In pension risk transfer, the pipeline remains strong, and we expect annual sales between $1.5 billion to $2 billion. For our opportunistic products, we are pleased to have completed a $750 million funding agreement back note issuance in early January, when market conditions were particularly attractive, and we will continue to monitor that market closely.

Speaker #2: Grow our core revenues and earnings, expand ROE, and create long-term shareholder value. On the top line, we are focused on growing assets under management with an optimized sales mix that maximizes return on capital.

Speaker #2: For our core retail products, we expect indexed annuity and indexed universal life sales growth to track in line with the strong industry trends Chris outlined earlier.

Speaker #2: In pension risk transfer, the pipeline remains strong and we expect annual sales between 1.5 to 2 billion. For our opportunistic products, we are pleased to have completed a 750 million funding agreement backnote issuance in early January when market conditions were particularly attractive and we will continue to monitor that market closely.

Speaker #2: We expect multi-year guaranteed annuity sales to continue moderating given the current rate environment. Beyond AUM growth, we remain focused on three additional priorities. First, generating additional scale benefits as our business continues to grow, second, expanding returns on equity excluding significant items, while maintaining our return on assets excluding significant items in a corridor around our current level.

Conor Murphy: We expect multi-year guaranteed annuity sales to continue moderating given the current rate environment. Beyond AUM growth, we remain focused on three additional priorities. First, generating additional scale benefits as our business continues to grow. Second, expanding returns on equity, excluding significant items, while maintaining our return on assets, excluding significant items in a corridor around our current level. Third, continuing our evolution toward a more fee-based, higher margin and less capital-intensive business model, a natural advantage of our position as one of the largest sellers of annuities and life insurance in the industry. This concludes our prepared remarks. Let me now turn the call back to our operator for questions.

Speaker #2: And third, continuing our evolution toward a more fee-based, higher-margin, and less capital-intensive business model. And natural advantage of our position as one of the largest sellers of annuities and life insurance in the industry.

Speaker #2: This concludes our prepared remarks. And let me now turn the call back to our operator for questions.

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Speaker #1: Our first question is from Wilma Berdis with Raymond James. Please state your question.

Wilma Burdis: Hey, good morning. excited to be covering you guys. This is a bit of a housekeeping item, but do you consider Q1 2026 EPS a good intermediate term run rate off which you can continue to grow? Should we largely expect EPS to grow along with AUM over time, given share repurchases are a relatively small part of the equation? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Hey, good morning. Excited to be covering you guys. This is a bit of a housekeeping item, but do you consider 1Q26 EPS a good intermediate-term run rate off which you can continue to grow?

Speaker #2: And should we largely expect EPS to grow along with AUM over time given share repurchases are a relatively small part of the equation? Thanks.

Speaker #3: Yeah. Hey, Wilma. Yes, thank you for your coverage and your interest. I would say broadly speaking, if I think about near-term, I'm just talking about the next few quarters here.

Conor Murphy: Hey, Wilma. Yes, thank you for your coverage and your interest. I would say broadly speaking, if I think about near term, I'm just talking about the next few quarters here, but broadly speaking, I think that's true. If I break it down, you know, if we get into maybe the core fixed income yield, it's probably down a few basis points from things that are actual rate related and so on in the market. We'll manage that core spread maintenance. There'll be maybe a tiny bit of a lag effect there, but we also saw some green shoots on the alt side. You know, my view on the sort of fixed income, more core spread is timing aside, it'll be pretty close. Maybe it'll tick down a little bit.

Speaker #3: But broadly speaking, I think that's true. If I break it down, no, we'll if we get into maybe the core fixed income yield, it's probably down a few basis points from things that are actual rate-related and so on in the market.

Speaker #3: And we'll manage that core spread, maintenance. There'll be maybe a tiny bit of a lag effect there, but we also saw some green shoots on the upside.

Speaker #3: So my view on the sort of fixed income or core spread is, timing aside, it'll be pretty close. Maybe it'll tick down a little bit.

Conor Murphy: We'll see how surrenders will be in the industry. They're staying relatively close to where they have been, so that should probably be there or thereabouts. Could be a little bit lighter. We'll see. The core reinsurance own distribution should continue to move along nicely and grow up a little bit. The expense number, we're very focused on getting that full 25% reduction from where we started a little over a year ago. I would argue that's maybe a little too good this quarter. Some of that is timing. All in all, I think, yeah, broadly speaking, this is around the range with the big unknown being how will the alts portfolio do.

Speaker #3: We'll see how surrenders will be in the industry. They're staying relatively close to where they have been. So that should probably be there or thereabouts.

Speaker #3: Could be a little bit lighter. We'll see. The core reinsurance-owned distributions should continue to move along nicely and grow up a little bit. The expense number, we're very focused on getting that full 25% reduction from where we started.

Speaker #3: A little over a year ago. I would argue that's maybe a little too good this quarter. Some of that is timing. But all in all, I think, yeah, broadly speaking, this is around the range, with the big unknown being: how will the alts portfolio do.

Speaker #3: Right now, we've been assuming a longer-term return. In this new definition with the LP and equity portfolio of kind of a 12 to 14 percent, we've been planning on a number below that for capital purposes, etc., just so that if that doesn't happen, quite so soon, we're not in a hole with that.

Conor Murphy: Right now we've been assuming, you know, a longer term return in this new definition with the LP and equity portfolio of kind of a 12% to 14%. We've been planning on a number below that for capital purposes, et cetera, just so that if that doesn't happen quite so soon, you know, we're not in a hole with that. Hopefully that answers your question. I'm very happy to clarify any component of that you'd like me to.

Speaker #3: So hopefully, that answers your question. I'm very happy to clarify any component of that you'd like me to.

Speaker #4: And Wilma, this is Chris. The only thing I would add to a Conor said is because I do think what you said is broadly true.

Chris Blunt: Wilma, this is Chris. The only thing I would add to what Conor said is, because I do think what you said is broadly true. Obviously, we see opportunity to expand ROE over time, due to, I would say, own distribution as we continue to move down this capital light path and reinsure more assets. That obviously has a very positive and accretive impact on ROE. Yeah, I would say historically it would track AUM very tightly. It'll diverge, I would think positively as we go forward because of those other 2 sources of fee-based income.

Speaker #4: Obviously, we see opportunity to expand ROE over time due to, I would say, owned distribution as we continue to move down this capital light path and reinsure more assets that obviously has a very positive and accretive impact on ROE.

Speaker #4: So yeah, I would say historically, it would track AUM very tightly. It'll diverge, I would think, positively as we go forward because of those other two sources of fee-based income.

Speaker #2: Great. Thank you. That was helpful. Where do you guys see opportunities to take advantage on the asset side? Spreads have widened in some asset classes, but just are you still kind of remaining conservative given spreads are still overall tight?

Wilma Burdis: Great. Thank you. That was helpful. Where do you guys see opportunities to take advantage on the asset side? Spreads have widened in some asset classes, but just are you still kind of remaining conservative given spreads are still overall tight? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Thanks.

Speaker #3: Yeah. We have been. They're pockets. Mortgages, good example, particularly in the residential side, are still attractive on a return on capital. Basis of that's an area you have seen opportunities in some of the asset-backed lending area, but those are much more I would say opportunistic and idiosyncratic as opposed to something that you've got a steady flow pipeline into.

Chris Blunt: Yeah, we have been. There are pockets, you know, mortgages, good example, particularly on the residential side, are still attractive on a return on capital basis. That's an area. You have seen opportunities in some of the asset-backed lending area, but those are much more, I would say, opportunistic and idiosyncratic as opposed to something that, you know, you've got a steady flow pipeline into. I think as a general rule, this feels like a good environment to keep a little dry powder and stay a bit conservative.

Speaker #3: But I think as a general rule, this feels like a good environment to keep a little dry powder and stay a bit conservative.

Speaker #4: And I would add, we do remain thoughtful and active on the portfolio. So what I will take advantage is, again, that's something that will lead to a higher yield, but it takes a little time, obviously, before that you get the full benefit of that through the portfolio.

Conor Murphy: I would add, we do remain thoughtful and active in the portfolio. You know, we'll take advantages. Again, that's something that will lead to a higher yield, but it takes a little time, obviously, before that you get the full benefit of that through the portfolio. The other thing I would say we're constantly monitoring is how the capital charges might be changing on the margin for different asset classes and, because that's just a constant, I would say, capital pressure that you weigh up. Marginally, we'll do some, probably do some rotating here and there to just help balance that factor as well.

Speaker #4: The other thing I would say we're constantly monitoring is hypercapital charges might be changing on the margin for different asset classes. And because that's just a constant I would say capital pressure that you weigh up.

Speaker #4: So marginally, we'll do some probably do some rotating here and there to just help balance that factor as well.

Speaker #2: If I can sneak one more in. It seems to render charge income remain similar to last quarters or recent quarters. Has the environment remained similar?

Wilma Burdis: If I can sneak one more in.

Conor Murphy: Sure

Wilma Burdis: your surrender charge income remains similar to last quarter's or recent quarters. Has the environment remained similar, and what are you seeing from policy holders in terms of surrender behavior? Thank you.

Speaker #2: And what are you seeing from policyholders in terms of surrender behavior? Thank you.

Speaker #3: Yeah, I think there's a little bit of seasonality that we've seen. This is maybe the third year in a row where first quarter is a little weak, because keep in mind the policies that get processed in the first quarter is activity from the fourth quarter.

Chris Blunt: Yeah. I think there's a little bit of seasonality that we've seen. This is maybe the third year in a row where Q1 is a little weak, 'cause keep in mind, the policies that get processed in Q1 is activity from the Q4. As you get into the holidays, it's not most clients' preference to spend their holidays with their insurance agent talking about moving policies. So far it's followed as a fairly similar pattern. You get into the nuances of, you know, which policies are being surrendered early, what's the surrender charge income. Yeah, I would say pretty consistent.

Speaker #3: So as you get into the holidays, it's not most clients' preference to spend their holidays with their insurance agent talking about moving. Moving policies.

Speaker #3: So far, it's followed as a fairly similar pattern. Then you get into the nuances of which policies are being surrendered early. What's the surrender charge income?

Speaker #3: But yeah, I would say pretty consistent.

Speaker #4: Yeah. And just mathematically from sort of a modeling perspective, it is actually it's remarkably consistent perhaps when you compare this quarter with both last quarter and the first quarter of last year.

Conor Murphy: Yeah. Just mathematically from sort of a modeling perspective, it is actually, it's remarkably consistent perhaps when you compare this quarter with both last quarter and Q1 of last year. I would, I don't expect it to necessarily go up from here. I think it's possible that it could move down, you know, fewer surrenders in the industry. For what it's worth, you know, April, I would say has been a consistent month as well. It hasn't shifted. I might be mildly surprised by that, but not much.

Speaker #4: Yeah. I would I don't expect it to necessarily go up from here. I think it's possible that it could move down. Fewer surrenders in the industry.

Speaker #4: But for what it's worth, April, I would say, has been a consistent month as well. So it hasn't shifted. I might be mildly surprised by that, but not much.

Speaker #2: Okay. Thank you.

Wilma Burdis: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #5: Our next question comes from Mark Hughes with Truest Securities. Please state your question.

Operator 2: Our next question comes from Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Please state your question.

Operator: Our next question comes from Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Please state your question.

Speaker #6: Yeah. Thank you. Good morning.

Mark Hughes: Yeah. Thank you. Good morning.

Speaker #3: Morning, Mark.

Chris Blunt: Morning, Mark.

Speaker #6: Yeah. Just following up on Wilma's question. When we look at the adjusted ROA the 80 bips in the quarter, obviously, substantially impact by the return on the alts.

Mark Hughes: Yeah, just following up on Wilma's question. When we look at the adjusted ROA, you know, the 80 bps in the quarter obviously substantially impacted by the return on the alts. Was your suggestion there that kind of the run rate, the starting point on a go-forward basis ought to be the 80 bps, and then over time perhaps the alts performance as it matures you would see improvement, but for the near term kind of stick with the 80 basis points. Is that fair?

Speaker #6: Was your suggestion there that kind of the run rate the starting point on a go forward basis ought to be the 80 bips and then over time perhaps the alts performance?

Speaker #6: Is it matures? You would see improvement. But for the near term, kind of stick with the 80 basis points. Is that fair?

Speaker #4: Yeah. I think if I look at the yield in the quarter and it ticked on about 16 basis points. We had about probably four of that roughly being call it market-related changes in things like SOFRs and floating assets, etc.

Conor Murphy: Yeah. I think if I, if I look at the yield, in the quarter, it ticked down about 16 basis points. We had about probably 4 of that roughly being, call it, market related, changes in things like SOFRs and floating assets, et cetera. A couple of it is because we had assets that were tied to the Bermuda entity that we don't have anymore, so I'd call that kind of a permanent difference as well. About 10 of it is largely timing related. It's a combination of fewer preferred stock elements coming in in the quarter, just fewer days, if you will, in the quarter. We had a little bit maybe of, I would say investment expense cleanup in the quarter as well.

Speaker #4: A couple of it is because we had assets that were tied to the Bermuda entity that we don't have anymore. So I'd call that kind of a permanent difference as well.

Speaker #4: But about 10 of it is largely timing-related. It's it was a combination of fewer preferred stock elements coming in in the quarter. Just the fewer days, if you will, in the quarter.

Speaker #4: We had a little bit, maybe, of what I would say is investment expense cleanup in the quarter as well. So, maybe a third, roughly, of the decline we saw in the quarter will likely be permanent, and the other two-thirds temporary.

Conor Murphy: Maybe a third roughly of the decline we saw in the quarter will likely be permanent, and the other two thirds likely, kind of one time for now.

Speaker #4: Likely kind of one-time for now.

Speaker #6: Yeah. And there you're talking about the sequentially. Is that?

Mark Hughes: Yeah. There you're talking about sequentially, is that?

Speaker #4: Yes.

Conor Murphy: Yes. Yeah.

Speaker #6: The 87 to 76. Okay.

Mark Hughes: The 87 to 76? Okay.

Speaker #4: Yes.

Conor Murphy: Yes.

Mark Hughes: When we think about the return on the alts portfolio, that's dampening your adjusted ROE kind of the 8%, 8% to 9% here lately. Is that something that needs to be factored in in terms of the product pricing, if the alts portfolio is uncertain? I know you're gonna be shifting more fee income in more of a capital-light model, and that'll help returns, but is there anything in terms of the pricing that is relevant? Maybe I'll ask in the context of, 'cause I think the investment in alts is a competitive dynamic. Do you think others are maybe too dependent on the better alts performance? Trying to think through this, how it interacts with ROE and ROA.

Speaker #6: And then, when we think about the return on the alts portfolio, that's dampening your adjusted ROE, kind of to the 8%, 8 to 9% here lately.

Speaker #6: Is that something that needs to be factored in, in terms of the product pricing, if the alts portfolio is uncertain? I know you're going to be shifting more fee income and more of a capital-like model, and that'll help returns.

Speaker #6: But is there anything in terms of the pricing that is relevant? And maybe I'll ask in the context of because I think this is the investment in the alts is a competitive dynamic.

Speaker #6: Do you think others are maybe too dependent on better alts performance? Just trying to think through this ROE and ROA.

Speaker #4: Yeah, I would say the pricing dynamic is a lot more complicated, right, because it depends on the duration of the liability. We’re looking at this—we’re not repricing daily, but we’re repricing frequently, and we’re going through the calculations of exactly where we are.

Chris Blunt: I would say the pricing dynamic is a lot more complicated, right? 'Cause it depends on duration of the liability. We're looking at this. We're not repricing daily, but we're repricing frequently, and we're going through the calculations of exactly where we are on a real-time basis. I think in terms of the long-term assumption that we guided to, you know, the purpose of it is literally to just try to help you all think about how to forecast our earnings going forward. The reason we give a range is we're just in an environment where you could make a compelling argument for the lower end of the range. You could make a compelling argument for the higher end of the range.

Speaker #4: On a real-time basis. So I think, in terms of the long-term assumption that we guided to, the purpose of it is literally to just try to help you all think about how to forecast our earnings going forward.

Speaker #4: And the reason we give a range is we're just in an environment where you could make a compelling argument for the lower end of the range.

Speaker #4: You could make a compelling argument for the higher end of the range as Conor said, most importantly, from a capital perspective, we take a very pessimistic view because you don't want to get that one wrong.

Chris Blunt: As Conor said, most importantly from a capital perspective, we take a very pessimistic view because you don't want to get that one wrong, so there's probably more upside than downside from a capital perspective. Then on a pricing basis, yeah, we're modeling all real-time inputs, and it's done not just on a deterministic basis, but on a stochastic basis. If there are various environments, what's the range of returns? Is the lower end of that band acceptable to us? I know that was a complicated answer. In terms of us versus competition, I don't know that we're an outlier in either direction. I think most of the folks in our space are in and around the 5% or 6% alts allocation within their portfolios. I think everybody tries to look at it long term.

Speaker #4: So there's probably more upside than downside. From a capital perspective. And then on a pricing basis, yeah, we're modeling all real-time inputs and it's done not just on a deterministic basis but on a stochastic basis of various environments.

Speaker #4: What's the range of returns? Is the lower end of that band acceptable to us? So I know that was a complicated answer. In terms of us versus competition, I don't know that we're an outlier in either direction.

Speaker #4: I think most of the folks in our space are in and around the 5 or 6 percent alts allocation within their portfolios. I think everybody tries to look at it long-term.

Speaker #4: Now, there could be big mixed differences if you have if you're skewed towards credit. We tend to be skewed towards PE and real estate.

Chris Blunt: Now, there could be big mix differences if you're skewed towards credit. We tend to be skewed towards PE and real estate. Within real estate, you've got the classic Blackstone themes of, you know, infrastructure, multi-family housing, as opposed to office. I realize, again, long-term answer. Hopefully, that got to some of what you're looking for.

Speaker #4: And within real estate, you've got the classic Blackstone themes of infrastructure, multifamily housing, as opposed to office. So I realize, again, long-term answer. Hopefully, that got to some of what you're looking for.

Speaker #6: And then the you're going through a process to look at your alternatives. Was that for the owned distribution that you're talking about? The 80 million in EBITDA?

Mark Hughes: You're going through a process to look at your alternatives. Was that for the owned distribution that you're talking about, the $80 million in EBITDA? Could you talk a little bit more about that? What you might be looking to do, how that would, to the extent that you have some alternatives, how would that impact the go-forward business model?

Speaker #6: Could you talk a little bit more about that? What you might be looking to do? How that would to the extent that you have some alternatives, how would that impact the go forward business model?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for bringing that up. I would say the good news is this is driven by we realize we're onto something really substantial here.

Chris Blunt: Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for bringing that up. I would say, the good news is this is driven by, we realized we're onto something really substantial here. What started as trying to help a handful of long-term distribution clients who were looking for growth capital and wanting an alternative to the PE model, has become a real business, and a real business that's growing nicely. We really like the platforms that we own. We see opportunities to acquire more platforms. Really, the exercise we're going through now is where is the best optimal place to hold this business? you know, is it underneath the carrier? Would it be beneficial to deconsolidate it, from F&G? What's the best way to fund it? That's the exercise that we're going through. Everything is technically on the table.

Speaker #4: So what started as trying to help a handful of long-term distribution clients who were looking for growth capital and wanting an alternative to the PE model has become a real business, and a real business that's growing nicely.

Speaker #4: We really like the platforms that we own. We see opportunities to acquire more platforms. And really, the exercise we're going through now is where's the best optimal place to hold this business?

Speaker #4: Is it underneath the carrier? Would it be beneficial to de-consolidate it from FG? What's the best way to fund it? So that's the exercise that we're going through.

Speaker #4: Everything is technically on the table. I would say it's pretty unlikely that we would sell the whole business at this juncture just given where we are on the inflection curve for the business.

Chris Blunt: I would say it's pretty unlikely that we would sell the whole business at this juncture, just given where we are on the inflection curve for the business. It's something that we're super excited about.

Speaker #4: But it's something that we're super excited about.

Speaker #6: And so, presumably, you'd keep the same distribution relationships—your own distribution, your own sales—on a go-forward basis, and that would not be influenced by that?

Mark Hughes: presumably you'd keep the same distribution relationships, your own distribution, your own sales on a go-forward basis would not be influenced by that.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Correct.

Chris Blunt: Yeah, correct.

Speaker #6: Any kind of transaction?

Mark Hughes: Any kind of transaction.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Correct. Because keep in mind, this was never about forcing market share because it is independent distribution that name has that label has meaning.

Chris Blunt: Yeah, correct. 'Cause keep in mind, this was never about forcing market share because it is independent distribution. That label has meaning. You can't force, you have to earn it, and they're separate teams. Yeah, we don't see that impacting the deep relationships that we have today.

Speaker #4: You can't force. You have to earn it. And they're separate teams. So yeah, we don't see that impacting the deep relationships that we have, that we have today.

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Mark Hughes: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Alex Scott with Barclays. Please state your question.

Operator 2: Our next question comes from Alex Scott with Barclays. Please state your question.

Operator: Our next question comes from Alex Scott with Barclays. Please state your question.

Speaker #6: Hey. Good morning. Follow-up on the conversation we were just having there on the IMO and the potential. Would you expect that that would raise some amount of capital that the holdco has available for deployment whether I guess whether it's putting it down into the operating companies or selling it to a third party or de-consolidating?

Alex Scott: Hey, good morning. Follow up on the conversation you were just having there on the IMO and the potential. You know, would you expect that that would, you know, raise some amount of capital that the holdco has available for deployment, whether, you know, I guess whether it's putting it down into the operating companies or selling it to a third party or deconsolidating? I mean, will that generate cash for the holdco if you pursue one of those avenues? If so, what would you look to do in terms of deployment?

Speaker #6: I mean, will that generate cash for the holdco if you pursue one of those avenues? And if so, what would you look to do in terms of deployment?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Hey, Alex. It's Conor. The simple answer is yes. Obviously, it depends a little bit on how exactly we do it. But in the scenario where someone joins us in that ownership of Peak and brings some capital in, one of the things I would mention or highlight would be, right now, all of our debt is at the holdco, not at the Peak level.

Chris Blunt: Yeah. Hey, Alex, it's Conor. The simple answer is yes. Obviously, it depends a little bit on how exactly we do it. In the scenario where someone joins us in that ownership of PEAK and brings some capital in, one of the things I would mention or highlight would be right now the debt, all of our debt is at the holdco, not at the PEAK level. I would expect some element of the proceeds we would likely use to pay down some debt. Because perhaps going forward, like right now, the dividends that we earn from the PEAK entities obviously, you know, service that debt coming through. We would want to balance that.

Conor Murphy: Yeah. Hey, Alex, it's Conor. The simple answer is yes. Obviously, it depends a little bit on how exactly we do it. In the scenario where someone joins us in that ownership of PEAK and brings some capital in, one of the things I would mention or highlight would be right now the debt, all of our debt is at the holdco, not at the PEAK level. I would expect some element of the proceeds we would likely use to pay down some debt. Because perhaps going forward, like right now, the dividends that we earn from the PEAK entities obviously, you know, service that debt coming through. We would want to balance that.

Speaker #4: So I would expect some element of the proceeds we would likely use to pay down some debt. Because perhaps going forward, like right now, the dividends that we earn from the Peak entities, obviously, service that debt coming through.

Speaker #4: So we would want to balance that. But aside or outside of that, yes, we would have capital available to call it for general business purposes or continue to grow AUM, etc.

Chris Blunt: Aside or outside of that, yes, we would have capital available to, you know, for call it for general business purposes or to continue to grow AUM, et cetera.

Conor Murphy: Aside or outside of that, yes, we would have capital available to, you know, for call it for general business purposes or to continue to grow AUM, et cetera.

Speaker #6: But I guess, are you thinking of it from the standpoint of this would help you fund growth down in the OpCo, or is this a—because you mentioned some of the parts.

Alex Scott: I guess, are you thinking of it from the standpoint of this would help you fund growth down in the opco? Or is this, 'cause you mentioned sum of the parts, and like that sort of suggests that you're frustrated with the sum of the parts discount, and that would cause me to believe maybe you'd take proceeds and buy back stock. You know, which would you favor?

Speaker #6: And that sort of suggests that you're frustrated with some of the parts discount and that would cause me to believe maybe you'd take proceeds and buy back stock.

Speaker #6: But which would you favor?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Alex, this is Chris. I would say, I mean, obviously, it's a little premature. It's not that we haven't thought about this question. But yeah, I don't think it would be to then convert that capital into additional spread earnings, since our goal is to grow the fee portion of the earnings.

Chris Blunt: Yeah, Alex, this is Chris. I would say, I mean, obviously, a little premature. It's not that we haven't thought about this question. Yeah, I don't think it would be to then convert that capital into, you know, additional spread earnings since our goal is to grow the fee portion of the earnings. Yeah, once it's there, it's like any other holdco cash. All the various options are on the table of, you know, dividends, share buybacks, you know, other things that we could do with that capital. Hopefully, that helps.

Speaker #4: And so yeah, once it's there, it's like any other holdco cash. All the various options are on the table of dividends, share buybacks, other things that we could do with that capital.

Speaker #4: Hopefully, that helps.

Speaker #6: Got it. Yeah. No, that is helpful.

Alex Scott: Got it. Yeah, no, that is helpful.

Speaker #4: And sorry, the only other thing I would squeeze in is there is a very tangible benefit of de-consolidating, which is obviously you would pick up some leverage capacity on the business itself that we cannot do today.

Chris Blunt: Sorry, the only other thing I would squeeze in is there is a very tangible benefit of deconsolidating, which is obviously you would pick up some leverage capacity on the business itself that we cannot do today. You would pick up a pretty attractive funding source to do more deals if in fact you deconsolidated from F&G.

Speaker #4: So you would pick up a pretty attractive funding source to do more deals if, in fact, you de-consolidated from FG.

Speaker #6: Yeah. And I might add. I mean, our expectation would be having someone alongside us to continue that's Chris saying. There's great opportunity for continued momentum and growth in the entities as well.

Conor Murphy: Yeah, I mean, our expectation would be having someone alongside us to continue. There's, as Chris Blunt said, there's great opportunity for continued momentum and growth in the entities as well. We would very much expect to continue to participate in that going forward. We'd have that advantage as well of continuing, perhaps accelerating the growth of the Peak entities alongside a partner.

Speaker #6: We would very much expect to continue to participate in that going forward. So we'd have that advantage as well of continuing perhaps accelerating the growth of the Peak entities alongside a partner.

Speaker #6: Got it. Okay. Next, what I had for you is on the investment portfolio. I really appreciate enhanced disclosure, of course. One thing I realized, though, you guys shifted some AUM out of what we were calling alternative investments.

Alex Scott: Got it. Okay. Next one I had for you is on the investment portfolio. I really appreciate, you know, enhanced disclosure, of course. You know, one thing I realized, though, you know, you guys shifted some AUM out of what we were calling, you know, alternative investments. The private origination fixed income that you guys kinda disclosed more on in the presentation this quarter, it looked like I think it was still around the same level at $11 billion from, like, the last time you talked about it. You know, where is this AUM that I guess is no longer considered alternatives, more fixed income like? Like, does that have private credit, like, features? Like, I would've guessed that that would've been considered private credit and didn't see anything specifically on that.

Speaker #6: The private origination fixed income that you guys kind of disclosed more on in the presentation this quarter, it looked like I think it was still around the same level at 11 billion from the last time you talked about it.

Speaker #6: So where is this AUM, I guess, is no longer considered alternatives, more fixed income-like? Does that have private credit features? I would have guessed that that would have been considered private credit and didn't see anything specifically on that.

Speaker #6: So, I was hoping maybe you could dimension that for us a bit too, so we could just understand that alongside the private origination that you've got in the deck here.

Alex Scott: I was hoping maybe you could dimension that for us a bit too, so we could just understand that alongside the private origination that you've got in the deck here.

Speaker #4: Yeah. So maybe do a reverse order. If you say what's in what we actually consider alternatives because part of what we found is peers were defining it differently.

Chris Blunt: Yeah. Maybe do a reverse order. If you say what's in what we actually consider alternatives, 'cause part of what we found is, peers were defining it differently. You know, we look like an outlier when we knew that we were not in terms of the size of quote-unquote alts. Of the $4 billion, sitting in alts, I think it's about $3 billion in traditional LPs. That's overwhelmingly private equity, private equity real estate with the themes of the classic Blackstone themes that we've talked about. There's $1 billion that says other equity interests. It's not exclusively, but the bulk of that is what we just say credit residuals, so equity tranches, but on the credit side.

Speaker #4: And so we look like an outlier when we knew that we were not in terms of the size of, quote-unquote, "alts". But of the 4 billion sitting in alts, I think it's about 3 billion in traditional LPs.

Speaker #4: That's overwhelmingly private equity—private equity real estate with the themes of the classic Blackstone themes that we've talked about. There's a billion that says other equity interests.

Speaker #4: It's not exclusively, but the bulk of that is what would you say credit residuals. So equity tranches in the but on the credit side.

Speaker #4: So what people think of as the longer-term, higher-returning, but therefore more volatile that's why that sits there. The reason we moved the credit over is those properties are going to look very, very similar to a high-quality CLO tranche or any other investment-grade piece of paper.

Chris Blunt: What people think of as, you know, the longer term, higher returning, but therefore more volatile, that's why that sits there. The reason we moved the credit over is those properties are gonna look very, very similar to, you know, a high-quality CLO tranche or, you know, any other investment grade, piece of paper. Again, it was really a bucketing thing. I think we were defining it for a while based on where it sat on the schedule as opposed to what do the underlying characteristics look like. Hopefully that helps. Yeah, on the disclosure side, we feel like we're, you know, we've been through all of our peers. We feel like we're giving as much if not more disclosure than anybody because we feel good about the portfolio.

Speaker #4: So again, it was really a bucketing thing. I think we were defining it, for a while, based on where it sat on the schedule, as opposed to what the underlying characteristics would look like.

Speaker #4: So hopefully, that helps. And yeah, on the disclosure side, we feel like we're we've been through all of our peers. We feel like we're giving as much, if not more, disclosure than anybody because we feel good about the portfolio.

Speaker #4: And you can see that in the credit losses, upgrades, versus downgrades, percentage of first lien, LTVs. You just across the board. So I'm not sure what more we can do at this point, but hopefully, it calms some concerns.

Chris Blunt: You can see that in the credit losses, upgrades versus downgrades, percentage of first lien, LTVs, you just across the board. I'm not sure what more we can do at this point.

Alex Scott: Well.

Chris Blunt: Hopefully it calms some concerns.

Alex Scott: Well.

Chris Blunt: Hopefully it calms some concerns.

Speaker #6: Well, just to be clear, so the CLO-like assets that you moved out of the definition of non-fixed income alternative—is that or isn't that in the $11 billion that you gave more disclosure on?

Alex Scott: Well, just to be clear. The CLO-like assets that you moved out of, you know, the definition around non-fixed income alternative, that is or isn't in the 11 billion that you gave more disclosure on. If it's not, could you just, you know, help us think through that piece of it a little more? Like, what's the size of it even? I mean, I just want to understand it a little better.

Speaker #6: And if it's not, could you just help us think through that piece of it a little more? What's the size of it even? I mean, I just want to understand it a little better.

Speaker #4: Oh, sure. Yeah. So again, if you go back to what used to be $11 billion and we now define as $4 billion, the remaining $7 billion is largely that.

Chris Blunt: Oh, sure. Yeah. Again, if you go back to what used to be $11 billion and we now define as $4, the remaining $7 is largely that. It is investment grade tranches of fixed income coupon clipping securities. Yeah, it would look a lot like CLO or CMBS type structure.

Speaker #4: It is investment-grade tranches of fixed income coupon clipping securities. So yeah, it would look a lot like CLO or CMBS-type structure.

Speaker #6: And that's not in the $11 billion that you've got in your slides? Or it is?

Alex Scott: That's not in the $11 billion that you've got in your slides, or it is?

Speaker #4: It is.

Chris Blunt: It is.

Speaker #6: Oh, it is in that 11 billion? Okay. Got it. All right. That was the piece I was missing. Thank you.

Alex Scott: Oh, it is in that $11 billion?

Chris Blunt: Yeah.

Alex Scott: Okay. Got it. All right.

Chris Blunt: Yeah. Yeah.

Alex Scott: That was the piece I was missing. Thank you.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think Chris carved out the, 'Hey, there’s $18 billion of kind of core fixed income, $11 billion of origination, $11 billion of structured, $7 billion of mortgage loans, and now $4 billion of all.' So all of that should add up to the whole portfolio.

Chris Blunt: Yeah. Yeah.

Alex Scott: I got you now.

Conor Murphy: I think Chris carved out the, "Hey, there's $18 billion of, you know, kinda core fixed income, $11 of origination, $11 of structured, $7 of mortgage loans, and now $4 of alts. All of that should add up to the whole portfolio.

Speaker #6: Got it. All right. That's all clear now. Thank you. Just sticking with this—for that $11 billion, can you talk about software? Because I know you mentioned Fibersend for the broad portfolio.

Alex Scott: Got it. All right. That's all cleared out. Thank you. Just on, you know, sticking with this, of that 11 billion, like, can you talk about SOFR? Because I know you mentioned 5% for the broad portfolio. Can you tell us about, like, just the private origination? Because I think that's sort of the area of SOFR people are a little more concerned about. Do you know what that number is for just, you know, as a percentage of private origination?

Speaker #6: Can you tell us about just the private origination? Because I think that's sort of the area of software people are a little more concerned about.

Speaker #6: Do you know what that number is or just as a percentage of private origination?

Speaker #4: Yeah. I'll have to confirm this, but I want to say it is about 20%. And then within that, and the reason we've given the kind of like the piece that's at risk and I know because you've written on this.

Chris Blunt: Yeah. I have to confirm this, but I want to say it is about 20%. Within that, the reason we've given the, you know, kind of like the piece that's at risk, you know. I know 'cause you've written on this, I know you get it. Software comes in so many different flavors, I would say the vast majority of this we do not think is at high risk of AI disruption, particularly in the near term. Keep in mind, a lot of these loans are pretty short duration. I mean, these are like 2, 3-year loans, these are not 20-year loans to these companies.

Speaker #4: I know you get it. Software comes in so many different flavors. So I would say the vast, vast majority of this we do not think is at high risk of AI disruption, particularly in the near term.

Speaker #4: Because keep in mind, a lot of these loans are pretty short duration. I mean, these are like two, three-year loans, not these are not 20-year loans.

Speaker #4: To these companies. But yeah, I think based on what we've seen from some of our competitors, I don't know that we're necessarily an outlier in terms of software exposure.

Chris Blunt: Yeah, I think based on what we've seen from some of our competitors, I don't know that we're necessarily an outlier in terms of software exposure.

Alex Scott: Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Maybe one last one if you're entertaining it. Yeah.

Speaker #6: Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Maybe one last one if you're entertained. Yeah. Investments. A lot of peers are defining it in different ways. So some peers are including 144A private placements.

Chris Blunt: Sure.

Alex Scott: Investments. You know, a lot of peers are defining it in different ways. Like, some peers are including, like, 144A private placements, and I'm sort of looking at it both ways. I just wanted to see if you could opine on that piece of it. Like, how much 144A private placement do you have? We can obviously see in the schedule the disclosures, but I know there's funds without consideration, I just wanted to check if you had that number handy.

Speaker #6: And I'm sort of looking at it both ways, so I just wanted to see if you could opine on that piece of it. How much 144A private placement do you have?

Speaker #6: We can obviously see in the scheduled disclosures, but I know there's funds without consideration. So I just wanted to check if you had that number handy.

Chris Blunt: I do not, but we can certainly dig that out and follow up for you.

Speaker #4: I do not, but we can certainly dig that out and follow up for you.

Alex Scott: Okay. All right. That's it for me. Thanks.

Speaker #6: Okay. All right. That's it for me. Thanks.

Chris Blunt: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #4: Great. Thank you.

Operator 2: This will conclude our question and answer session. I will now turn the conference back over to the CEO, Chris Blunt, for closing remarks.

Operator: This will conclude our question and answer session. I will now turn the conference back over to the CEO, Chris Blunt, for closing remarks.

Speaker #7: And this will conclude our question-and-answer session. I will now turn the conference back over to the CEO, Chris Blunt, for closing remarks.

Chris Blunt: Thanks again to everyone for joining us this morning. We delivered a solid start to 2026 with record gross AUM, disciplined capital allocation with an increased capital return to shareholders, and a high-quality investment portfolio that continues to perform well. We continue to execute on our strategy toward a more fee-based, higher margin, and less capital-intensive business model. Underpinned by our diversified new business engine and the structural tailwind of the Peak 65 retirement wave, we remain confident in our ability to grow AUM and expand return on equity. We appreciate your continued interest in F&G as we remain focused on delivering long-term shareholder value, and we look forward to updating you on our Q2 earnings call.

Speaker #4: Thanks again, everyone, for joining us this morning. We delivered a solid start to 2026 with record gross AUM, disciplined capital allocation with an increased capital return to shareholders, and a high-quality investment portfolio that continues to perform well.

Speaker #4: We continue to execute on our strategy toward a more fee-based, higher-margin, and less capital-intensive business model. Underpinned by our diversified new business engine and the structural tailwind of the peak 65 retirement wave, we remain confident in our ability to grow AUM and expand return on equity.

Speaker #4: We appreciate your continued interest in F&G as we remain focused on delivering long-term shareholder value. And we look forward to updating you on our second-quarter earnings call.

Operator 2: Thank you for attending today's presentation, and the conference call has concluded. You may now disconnect.

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