Q1 2026 Thermal Energy International Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #4: Five.
William Crossland: Q3 Earnings Call.
Operator: Q3 Earnings Call.
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William Crossland: Our news release, financial statements, and MD&A are available on our website and have been filed on SEDAR. After my prepared remarks, we'll have a question and answer session at which time qualified equity research analysts and institutional investors joining us on MS Teams will be able to ask some questions. If you're joining us online, you should be able to see our slide presentation on your screen now. Before we go any further, I have to point out that today's call may contain some forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable security laws. Wait a minute. Okay, there we go. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and undue reliance should not be placed on such statements. Certain material factors or assumptions are applied in making forward-looking statements, and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements.
William Crossland: Our news release, financial statements, and MD&A are available on our website and have been filed on SEDAR. After my prepared remarks, we'll have a question and answer session at which time qualified equity research analysts and institutional investors joining us on MS Teams will be able to ask some questions. If you're joining us online, you should be able to see our slide presentation on your screen now. Before we go any further, I have to point out that today's call may contain some forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable security laws. Wait a minute. Okay, there we go. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and undue reliance should not be placed on such statements. Certain material factors or assumptions are applied in making forward-looking statements, and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements.
Speaker #5: And MDNA are available on our website and have been filed on CDAR. After my prepared remarks, we'll have a question-and-answer session at which time qualified equity research analysts and institutional investors joining us on MS Teams will be able to ask some questions.
Speaker #5: If you're joining us online, you should be able to see our slide presentation on your screen now. Before we go any further, I have to point out that today's call may contain some forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable secure security laws.
Speaker #5: Wait a minute. Okay, there we go. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and undue reliance should not be placed on such statements.
Speaker #5: Certain material factors or assumptions are applied in making forward-looking statements and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements.
Speaker #5: For additional information, please refer to our financial statements and MDNA for the quarter and our other filings with the Canadian Securities Regulators. In terms of an overview, I'm pleased to share that thermal energy delivered solid performance in the third quarter, highlighted by record Q3 revenue of $9.4 million and record trailing 12-month revenue of $33.3 million.
William Crossland: For additional information, please refer to our financial statements and MD&A for the quarter and our other filings with the Canadian securities regulators. In terms of an overview, I am pleased to share that Thermal Energy delivered solid performance in Q3, highlighted by record Q3 revenue of CAD 9.4 million and record trailing twelve-month revenue of CAD 33.3 million. We also saw signs of operational leverage with sharp improvements in adjusted EBITDA and net income, both in the quarter and over the past year. Our balance sheet remains very healthy with virtually no debt and strong cash and working capital positions. Our order intake for the quarter was up 26% with our trailing twelve months up 41% to an all-time high of CAD 31.3 million.
William Crossland: For additional information, please refer to our financial statements and MD&A for the quarter and our other filings with the Canadian securities regulators. In terms of an overview, I am pleased to share that Thermal Energy delivered solid performance in Q3, highlighted by record Q3 revenue of CAD 9.4 million and record trailing twelve-month revenue of CAD 33.3 million. We also saw signs of operational leverage with sharp improvements in adjusted EBITDA and net income, both in the quarter and over the past year. Our balance sheet remains very healthy with virtually no debt and strong cash and working capital positions. Our order intake for the quarter was up 26% with our trailing twelve months up 41% to an all-time high of CAD 31.3 million.
Speaker #5: We also saw signs of operational leverage with sharp improvements in adjusted EBITDA and net income, both in the quarter and over the past year.
Speaker #5: Our balance sheet remains very healthy with virtually no debt and strong cash and working capital positions and our order intake for the quarter was up 26% with our trailing 12 months up 41% to an all-time high of 31.3 million dollars.
Speaker #5: We had revenue of $9.4 million for the quarter, which is a record for our fiscal third quarter. It also represented a 62% increase compared to our third quarter last year.
William Crossland: We had revenue of CAD 9.4 million for the quarter, which is a record for our fiscal Q3. It also represented a 62% increase compared to our Q3 last year. Our heat recovery revenues remained near all-time highs, and our GEM revenues were up year over year as well. Looking at the trailing 12 months and at 28 February, we had revenue of CAD 33.3 million, which is a new record amount and up 92% from 3 years ago. We had operating expenses of CAD 3.1 million in Q3, which was up about CAD 548,000 from a year ago. However, the variance was mainly due to an increase in foreign exchange loss of CAD 402,000. On a trailing 12-month basis, operating expenses were up CAD 1.6 million.
William Crossland: We had revenue of CAD 9.4 million for the quarter, which is a record for our fiscal Q3. It also represented a 62% increase compared to our Q3 last year. Our heat recovery revenues remained near all-time highs, and our GEM revenues were up year over year as well. Looking at the trailing 12 months and at 28 February, we had revenue of CAD 33.3 million, which is a new record amount and up 92% from 3 years ago. We had operating expenses of CAD 3.1 million in Q3, which was up about CAD 548,000 from a year ago. However, the variance was mainly due to an increase in foreign exchange loss of CAD 402,000. On a trailing 12-month basis, operating expenses were up CAD 1.6 million.
Speaker #5: Our heat recovery revenues remain near all-time highs and our GEM revenues were up year over year as well. Looking at the trailing 12 months and in February 28th, we had revenue of $33.3 million, which is a new record amount and up 92% from three years ago.
Speaker #5: We had operating expenses of $3.1 million in Q3, which was up about $548,000 from a year ago; however, the variance was mainly due to an increase in foreign exchange loss of $402,000.
Speaker #5: On a trailing 12-month basis, operating expenses were up 1.6 million, and again, the largest variance driver was a $538,000 decrease in foreign exchange gains.
William Crossland: Again, the largest variance driver was a CAD 538,000 decrease in foreign exchange gains. Other significant drivers included approximately CAD 240,000 as a one-time investment in technologies and facilities, an increase in staff incentive cost of about CAD 109,000 because of significantly higher profit, and a CAD 480,000 increase in general salaries and benefits. As many of you know, we invested a fair amount in growing our business starting in fiscal 2024 and fiscal 2025. This included expanding our sales, marketing, and engineering team. As we communicated then, we expected these investments to negatively impact profitability over the short term, but they would begin to pay off in fiscal 2026. This is clearly demonstrated here on slide number 6.
William Crossland: Again, the largest variance driver was a CAD 538,000 decrease in foreign exchange gains. Other significant drivers included approximately CAD 240,000 as a one-time investment in technologies and facilities, an increase in staff incentive cost of about CAD 109,000 because of significantly higher profit, and a CAD 480,000 increase in general salaries and benefits. As many of you know, we invested a fair amount in growing our business starting in fiscal 2024 and fiscal 2025. This included expanding our sales, marketing, and engineering team. As we communicated then, we expected these investments to negatively impact profitability over the short term, but they would begin to pay off in fiscal 2026. This is clearly demonstrated here on slide number 6.
Speaker #5: Other significant drivers included approximately $240,000 as a one-time investment in technologies and facilities, an increase in staff incentive costs of about $109,000 because of significantly higher profit, and a $480,000 increase in general salaries and benefits.
Speaker #5: As many of you know, we invested a fair amount in growing our business starting in fiscal 2024 and fiscal 2025. This included expanding our sales, marketing, and engineering team.
Speaker #5: As we communicated then, we expected these investments to negatively impact profitability over the short term, but they would begin to pay off in fiscal 2026.
Speaker #5: This is clearly demonstrated here on slide number six. While our adjusted EBITDA was down in both Q3 2024 and Q3 2025, it has reversed course quite significantly.
William Crossland: While our adjusted EBITDA was down in both Q3 2024 and Q3 2025, it has reversed course quite significantly. In fact, adjusted EBITDA climbed to CAD 519 thousand for the quarter, up CAD 686 thousand year over year, and highlights the operational leverage possible as we scale our business. On a trailing twelve-month basis, our adjusted EBITDA almost doubled year over year to about CAD 2.1 million. It's a very similar story when it comes to net income, which was up CAD 741 thousand in the quarter to CAD 338 thousand, which was a nice but expected reversal from what we reported in Q3 the last couple of years.
William Crossland: While our adjusted EBITDA was down in both Q3 2024 and Q3 2025, it has reversed course quite significantly. In fact, adjusted EBITDA climbed to CAD 519 thousand for the quarter, up CAD 686 thousand year over year, and highlights the operational leverage possible as we scale our business. On a trailing twelve-month basis, our adjusted EBITDA almost doubled year over year to about CAD 2.1 million. It's a very similar story when it comes to net income, which was up CAD 741 thousand in the quarter to CAD 338 thousand, which was a nice but expected reversal from what we reported in Q3 the last couple of years.
Speaker #5: In fact, adjusted EBITDA climbed to $519,000 for the quarter, up $686,000 year over year, and highlights the operational leverage possible as we scale our business.
Speaker #5: On a trailing 12-month basis, our adjusted EBITDA almost doubled year over year to about $2.1 million. It's a very similar story when it comes to net income, which was up $741,000 in the quarter to $338,000, which was a nice but expected reversal from what we reported in Q3 the last couple of years.
Speaker #5: Again, on a trailing 12-month basis, we had net income of $1.3 million, which was an increase of about $1.1 million from a year earlier.
William Crossland: Again, on a trailing 12-month basis, we had net income of CAD 1.3 million, which was an increase of about CAD 1.1 million from a year earlier. From some of our previous earnings calls, you will know I like to highlight that our business produces robust operating cash flow. On slide 8, we show how operating cash flow, excluding changes in working capital items, tends to be significantly higher than our net income. You can clearly see this is the case when looking back at our trailing 12-month periods for each of the past 4 years, during which time our operating cash flow totaled CAD 7 million. A year ago, for the trailing 12-month period, our net income was only about CAD 230,000, but we generated nearly CAD 1.6 million in cash flow.
William Crossland: Again, on a trailing 12-month basis, we had net income of CAD 1.3 million, which was an increase of about CAD 1.1 million from a year earlier. From some of our previous earnings calls, you will know I like to highlight that our business produces robust operating cash flow. On slide 8, we show how operating cash flow, excluding changes in working capital items, tends to be significantly higher than our net income. You can clearly see this is the case when looking back at our trailing 12-month periods for each of the past 4 years, during which time our operating cash flow totaled CAD 7 million. A year ago, for the trailing 12-month period, our net income was only about CAD 230,000, but we generated nearly CAD 1.6 million in cash flow.
Speaker #5: From some of our previous earnings calls, you will know I like to highlight that our business produces robust operating cash flow. On slide eight, we show how operating cash flow, excluding changes in working capital items, tends to be significantly higher than our net income.
Speaker #5: You can clearly see this is the case when looking back at our trailing 12-month periods for each of the past four years during which time our operating cash flow totaled $7 million.
Speaker #5: A year ago, for the trailing 12-month period, our net income was only about $230,000, but we generated nearly $1.6 million in cash flow. And for our most recent 12-month period, our net income was approximately $1.4 million, but we had cash flow of more than $2.2 million.
William Crossland: For our most recent 12-month period, our net income was approximately CAD 1.4 million, but we had cash flow of more than CAD 2.2 million. Over the last few years, we've used our operating cash flow to materially strengthen our balance sheet, bolstering liquidity, maintaining a solid working capital position, and aggressively reducing down debt. This year, we also spent about CAD 500,000 buying back 3.6 million shares. We ended the quarter with CAD 4 million in cash, up 41% from the CAD 2.8 million we had at year-end. We had CAD 3.7 million in working capital in Q3, up 53% from the CAD 2.4 million at year-end.
William Crossland: For our most recent 12-month period, our net income was approximately CAD 1.4 million, but we had cash flow of more than CAD 2.2 million. Over the last few years, we've used our operating cash flow to materially strengthen our balance sheet, bolstering liquidity, maintaining a solid working capital position, and aggressively reducing down debt. This year, we also spent about CAD 500,000 buying back 3.6 million shares. We ended the quarter with CAD 4 million in cash, up 41% from the CAD 2.8 million we had at year-end. We had CAD 3.7 million in working capital in Q3, up 53% from the CAD 2.4 million at year-end.
Speaker #5: And so over the last few years, we've used our operating cash flow to materially strengthen our balance sheet, bolstering liquidity, maintaining a solid working capital position, and aggressively reducing down debt.
Speaker #5: And this year, we also spent about $500,000 back buying back $3.6 million shares. We ended the quarter with $4 million in cash, up 41% from the $2.8 million we had a year-end, and we had $3.7 million in working capital in the third quarter, up 53% from the $2.4 million a year-end.
Speaker #5: Additionally, we are now essentially bank debt-free after paying down over $3.9 million in term loans since May 2022. Including $1.4 million in the last four quarters, and we've done all of this with our own internal operating cash flow.
William Crossland: We are now essentially bank debt-free after paying down over CAD 3.9 million in term loans since May 2022, including CAD 1.4 million in the last 4 quarters. We've done all of this with our own internal operating cash flow. As a result, we now have a cleaner, stronger, more flexible financial base to support continued growth. In addition to our strong financial results for the quarter in Q3, we continued to receive a good flow of orders, including repeat business. I want to take a moment to highlight some of the key orders we received in the quarter. Back in the middle of December, we received a CAD 3.2 million turnkey heat recovery order from a leading multinational frozen food company.
William Crossland: We are now essentially bank debt-free after paying down over CAD 3.9 million in term loans since May 2022, including CAD 1.4 million in the last 4 quarters. We've done all of this with our own internal operating cash flow. As a result, we now have a cleaner, stronger, more flexible financial base to support continued growth. In addition to our strong financial results for the quarter in Q3, we continued to receive a good flow of orders, including repeat business. I want to take a moment to highlight some of the key orders we received in the quarter. Back in the middle of December, we received a CAD 3.2 million turnkey heat recovery order from a leading multinational frozen food company.
Speaker #5: As a result, we now have a cleaner, stronger, more flexible financial base to support continued growth. In addition to our strong financial results for the quarter in Q3, we continue to receive a good flow of orders, including repeat business.
Speaker #5: I want to take a moment to highlight some of the key orders we received in the quarter. Back in the middle of December, we received a $3.2 million turnkey heat recovery order from a leading multinational frozen food company.
Speaker #5: This was our second heat recovery project with this project with this customer, which happens to have over 40 manufacturing sites around the world. Also, around the middle of December, we received a $1.5 million order for a turnkey heat recovery project from a multinational building materials company.
William Crossland: This was our second heat recovery project with this customer, which happens to have over 40 manufacturing sites around the world. Also, around the middle of December, we received a CAD 1.5 million order for a turnkey heat recovery project from a multinational building materials company. This project includes 4 two-stage HeatSponge boiler economizers to be installed at a second customer site. We had our first turnkey order from this customer last July at a different site. The third order I wanted to highlight is a CAD 1 million turnkey heat recovery project secured in February. The scope includes installing a two-stage HeatSponge economizer on each of 3 natural gas-fired boilers to capture waste heat from their exhaust stream. This marks our ninth turnkey projects with this global customer and our third consecutive HeatSponge turnkey deployment with them.
William Crossland: This was our second heat recovery project with this customer, which happens to have over 40 manufacturing sites around the world. Also, around the middle of December, we received a CAD 1.5 million order for a turnkey heat recovery project from a multinational building materials company. This project includes 4 two-stage HeatSponge boiler economizers to be installed at a second customer site. We had our first turnkey order from this customer last July at a different site. The third order I wanted to highlight is a CAD 1 million turnkey heat recovery project secured in February. The scope includes installing a two-stage HeatSponge economizer on each of 3 natural gas-fired boilers to capture waste heat from their exhaust stream. This marks our ninth turnkey projects with this global customer and our third consecutive HeatSponge turnkey deployment with them.
Speaker #5: This project includes four two-stage HeatSponge boiler economizers to be installed at a second customer site. We had our first turnkey order from this customer last July at a different site.
Speaker #5: The third order I wanted to highlight is a $1 million turnkey heat recovery project secured in February. The scope includes installing a two-stage heat sponge economizer on each of three natural gas-fired boilers to capture waste heat from their exhaust stream.
Speaker #5: This marks our ninth turnkey projects with this global customer, and our third consecutive heat sponge turnkey deployment with them. Since 2019, we've delivered more than 14.6 million dollars in projects for this client and have now at least partially penetrated 28 of their manufacturing sites across nine countries, with many more to go.
William Crossland: Since 2019, we've delivered more than CAD 14.6 million in projects for this client and have now at least partially penetrated 28 of their manufacturing sites across 9 countries, with many more to go. The orders I just highlighted contributed to a total order intake of CAD 8.7 million for the quarter, up 26% from last year. CAD 31.3 million for the trailing twelve-month period ended 28 February, which is up 42% from the same period a year earlier. At the end of Q3, we had an order backlog of about CAD 15 million. While this is down a little from a year earlier, given the higher order intake and higher revenue, this slight reduction in our backlog highlights that we have been more efficient at converting orders into revenue over the past couple of quarters.
William Crossland: Since 2019, we've delivered more than CAD 14.6 million in projects for this client and have now at least partially penetrated 28 of their manufacturing sites across 9 countries, with many more to go. The orders I just highlighted contributed to a total order intake of CAD 8.7 million for the quarter, up 26% from last year. CAD 31.3 million for the trailing twelve-month period ended 28 February, which is up 42% from the same period a year earlier. At the end of Q3, we had an order backlog of about CAD 15 million. While this is down a little from a year earlier, given the higher order intake and higher revenue, this slight reduction in our backlog highlights that we have been more efficient at converting orders into revenue over the past couple of quarters.
Speaker #5: The orders I just highlighted contributed to a total order intake of $8.7 million for the quarter, up 26% from last year. And $31.3 million for the trailing 12-month period ended February 28th, which is up 42% from the same period a year earlier.
Speaker #5: At the end of the third quarter, we had an order backlog of about $15 million. While this is down a little from a year earlier, given the higher order intake and higher revenue, the slight reduction in our backlog highlights that we have been more efficient at converting orders into revenue over the past couple of quarters.
Speaker #5: And we attribute this at least in part to the investments we made in our engineering team these past couple of years. So, as a quick summary before opening the call up for questions, we had record Q3 revenue and record trailing 12-month revenue.
William Crossland: We attribute this, at least in part, to the investments we made in our engineering team these past couple of years. As a quick summary before opening the call up for questions, we had record Q3 revenue and record trailing 12-month revenue. We achieved significant increases in adjusted EBITDA and net income for the quarter and trailing 12 months. Our balance sheet has been strengthened and remains very solid, with virtually no bank debt. We had strong order intake for the quarter and for the trailing 12-month period, and we continue to have a healthy order backlog. Overall, we believe we are very well positioned, sorry, to continue executing our strategy and creating long-term value for our shareholders. That's it for my prepared remarks. I would now like to open the call for questions.
William Crossland: We attribute this, at least in part, to the investments we made in our engineering team these past couple of years. As a quick summary before opening the call up for questions, we had record Q3 revenue and record trailing 12-month revenue. We achieved significant increases in adjusted EBITDA and net income for the quarter and trailing 12 months. Our balance sheet has been strengthened and remains very solid, with virtually no bank debt. We had strong order intake for the quarter and for the trailing 12-month period, and we continue to have a healthy order backlog. Overall, we believe we are very well positioned, sorry, to continue executing our strategy and creating long-term value for our shareholders. That's it for my prepared remarks. I would now like to open the call for questions.
Speaker #5: We achieved significant increases in adjusted EBITDA and net income for the quarter and trailing 12 months. Our balance sheet has been strengthened and remains very solid with virtually no bank debt.
Speaker #5: And we had strong order intake for the quarter and for the trailing 12-month period. And we continue to have a healthy order backlog. Overall, we believe we are very well positioned to—sorry—to continue executing our strategy and creating long-term value for our shareholders.
Speaker #5: That's it for my prepared remarks. I would now like to open the call for questions. I will turn it over to Trevor Heisler at MBC Capital Markets Advisors, who will moderate our Q&A.
William Crossland: I will turn it over to Trevor Heisler at NBF Capital Markets Advisors, who will moderate our Q&A. Please go ahead, Trevor.
William Crossland: I will turn it over to Trevor Heisler at NBF Capital Markets Advisors, who will moderate our Q&A. Please go ahead, Trevor.
Speaker #5: Please go ahead, Trevor.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Bill. If you were already qualified equity analyst or institutional investor joining us on MS Teams this morning and would like to ask a question, please notify me by using the raise your hand feature.
Trevor Heisler: Thank you, Bill. If you are an equity analyst or institutional investor joining us on MS Teams this morning and would like to ask a question, please notify me by using the Raise Your Hand feature. Your first question comes from Donangelo Volpe at Beacon Securities. Please go ahead, Donangelo.
Moderator: Thank you, Bill. If you are an equity analyst or institutional investor joining us on MS Teams this morning and would like to ask a question, please notify me by using the Raise Your Hand feature. Your first question comes from Donangelo Volpe at Beacon Securities. Please go ahead, Donangelo.
Speaker #2: And your first question comes from Donangelo Volpe at Beacon Securities. Please go ahead, Donangelo.
Speaker #3: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I'm calling on behalf of Russell Stanley. So first off, just given the impact that revenue has—the revenue mix has on gross margins—can you provide any color on the revenue mix this quarter and how that compares to the revenue mix within your current backlog?
Donangelo Volpe: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I'm calling on behalf of Russell Stanley. First off, just given the impact that the revenue mix has on gross margins, can you provide any color on the revenue mix this quarter and how that compares to the revenue mix within your current backlog?
Donangelo Volpe: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I'm calling on behalf of Russell Stanley. First off, just given the impact that the revenue mix has on gross margins, can you provide any color on the revenue mix this quarter and how that compares to the revenue mix within your current backlog?
William Crossland: Yeah. It's As I've said before, traditionally, turnkey projects were about two-thirds of our revenue, and equipment sales were about a third. You know, during the COVID period, that switched because we couldn't get to site, and now it's trending more back towards two-thirds, one-third. That's basically where it's at, both from our revenue standpoint and our backlog.
Speaker #2: Yeah, it's—as I've said before, traditionally, turnkey projects were about two-thirds of our revenue. And equipment sales were about a third. And during the COVID period, that switched because we couldn't get to site.
William Crossland: Yeah. It's As I've said before, traditionally, turnkey projects were about two-thirds of our revenue, and equipment sales were about a third. You know, during the COVID period, that switched because we couldn't get to site, and now it's trending more back towards two-thirds, one-third. That's basically where it's at, both from our revenue standpoint and our backlog.
Speaker #2: And now it's trending more back towards two-thirds, one-third. So that's basically where it's at, both from our revenue standpoint and our backlog.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thanks for the color there. And were there any gross margin headwinds in the quarter beyond revenue mix?
Donangelo Volpe: Okay, thanks for the color there. Were there any gross margin headwinds in the quarter beyond revenue mix?
Donangelo Volpe: Okay, thanks for the color there. Were there any gross margin headwinds in the quarter beyond revenue mix?
Speaker #2: Headwinds? On a trailing—the quarter—the gross margin varies pretty significantly in the quarter. Generally. But overall, over the last few quarters, we have been improving our margins.
William Crossland: Headwinds. The gross margin varies pretty significantly in the quarter, generally. Overall, over the last few quarters, we have been improving our margins, and that's been strategic on our part.
William Crossland: Headwinds. The gross margin varies pretty significantly in the quarter, generally. Overall, over the last few quarters, we have been improving our margins, and that's been strategic on our part.
Speaker #2: And that's been strategic on our part.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thank you. And then final question from me, and then I'll pass the line. So the prior quarter top-line featured some turnkey heat recovery project revenue that came a bit sooner than you guys expected.
Donangelo Volpe: Okay, thank you. A final question from me, and then I'll pass the line. The prior quarter, top line featured some turnkey heat recovery project revenue that came a bit sooner than you guys expected. Did you see any similar pull-forward demand of work in this quarter, or were there any deferrals that you'd like to call out?
Donangelo Volpe: Okay, thank you. A final question from me, and then I'll pass the line. The prior quarter, top line featured some turnkey heat recovery project revenue that came a bit sooner than you guys expected. Did you see any similar pull-forward demand of work in this quarter, or were there any deferrals that you'd like to call out?
Speaker #3: Did you see any similar pull-forward demand of work in this quarter, or were there any deferrals that you'd like to call out?
Speaker #2: No, this quarter was—I think it was largely in line with what we expected at the beginning of the quarter. On our call, back in January.
William Crossland: No, this quarter was, I think it was largely in line with what we expected, you know, at the beginning of the quarter, you know, on our call, you know, back in January. You know, we Maybe a little bit more than we expected, but generally in line with what we were expecting in terms of revenue.
William Crossland: No, this quarter was, I think it was largely in line with what we expected, you know, at the beginning of the quarter, you know, on our call, you know, back in January. You know, we Maybe a little bit more than we expected, but generally in line with what we were expecting in terms of revenue.
Speaker #2: So maybe a little bit more than we expected, but generally in line with what we were expecting. In terms of revenue.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thanks for answering all my questions. I'll hop back in the queue.
Donangelo Volpe: Okay. Thanks for answering all my questions. I'll hop back in the queue.
Donangelo Volpe: Okay. Thanks for answering all my questions. I'll hop back in the queue.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And your next question comes from Jesus Sanchez at Casinar Investment Fund.
Trevor Heisler: Thank you. Your next question comes from Jesus Sanchez at Castañar Investment Fund.
Moderator: Thank you. Your next question comes from Jesus Sanchez at Castañar Investment Fund.
Speaker #4: Hi, good morning, and congrats. On realizing this great quarter, it is great to, from my point of view, to see that all that backlog that we have been accumulating all these past quarters is finally transforming into revenue.
Jesús Sánchez: Hi. Good morning and congrats on.
Jesus Sanchez: Hi. Good morning and congrats on.
William Crossland: Good morning.
William Crossland: Good morning.
Jesús Sánchez: On realizing this great quarter. It is great to, from my point of view, to see that all that backlog that we have been accumulating all these quarter, past quarters is finally transforming into revenue. My only concern will be, how are we in capacity terms? Are we doing good, or do we have some spare capacity in case we receive further orders and/or backlog start to increase again?
Jesus Sanchez: On realizing this great quarter. It is great to, from my point of view, to see that all that backlog that we have been accumulating all these quarter, past quarters is finally transforming into revenue. My only concern will be, how are we in capacity terms? Are we doing good, or do we have some spare capacity in case we receive further orders and/or backlog start to increase again?
Speaker #4: My only concern will be how are we incapacity terms? Are we doing good, or do we have some spare capacity in case we receive further orders and/or backlog start to increase again?
William Crossland: No, we've got, we've got pretty good capacity right now. You know, if we get lots of orders beyond our expectations then, you know, we might need to hire an engineer or two, but I think we're in pretty good shape right now to continue growing the business. We don't have any plans to add people at this point.
Speaker #2: No, we've got pretty good capacity right now. If we get lots of orders beyond our expectations, then we might need to hire an engineer or two.
William Crossland: No, we've got, we've got pretty good capacity right now. You know, if we get lots of orders beyond our expectations then, you know, we might need to hire an engineer or two, but I think we're in pretty good shape right now to continue growing the business. We don't have any plans to add people at this point.
Speaker #2: But I think we're in pretty good shape right now to continue growing the business. We don't have any plans to add people at this point.
Speaker #4: Are the people that we hired and trained two years ago already making results in the company? Have you started noticing that effort being paid off?
Jesús Sánchez: Are the people that we hire and train, like two years ago, are already making results in the company? Have you start noticing that effort being paid off?
Jesus Sanchez: Are the people that we hire and train, like two years ago, are already making results in the company? Have you start noticing that effort being paid off?
Speaker #2: Yes, it's starting to, for sure. Yep. Especially with the engineers, as we've seen, we've been able to deliver some of these projects quite quickly with improved margins.
William Crossland: Yes, it's starting to, for sure. Yeah. Especially with the engineers. As we've seen, we've been able to deliver some of these projects quite quickly with improved margins, you know, we believe that's the additional engineering capacity that we've added over the last few years and the training.
William Crossland: Yes, it's starting to, for sure. Yeah. Especially with the engineers. As we've seen, we've been able to deliver some of these projects quite quickly with improved margins, you know, we believe that's the additional engineering capacity that we've added over the last few years and the training.
Speaker #2: And so we believe that's the additional engineering capacity that we've added over the last few years in the training.
Jesús Sánchez: I don't know if you can comment on the geography mix of the revenues. How are we seeing things? How our European business is doing compared to our American one?
Speaker #4: I don't know if you can comment on the geography mix of the revenues, how are we seeing things, how are European businesses doing compared to our American one?
Jesus Sanchez: I don't know if you can comment on the geography mix of the revenues. How are we seeing things? How our European business is doing compared to our American one?
Speaker #2: Yeah, it always varies a little bit. It goes up and down in both North America and Europe. Over the longer term, it's always been around 50/50, Europe and North America.
William Crossland: Yeah. It always varies a little bit. It goes up and down, both North America and Europe. Over the longer term, it's always been around 50-50, Europe and North America. This year, North America is a little bit stronger. Last year, Europe was a little bit stronger. You know, we would have expected North America because natural gas prices are very inexpensive in North America compared to Europe, but it keeps keeping pace, so we're pretty pleased with that. Like I said, this year, you know, North America is stronger than Europe, but last year it was the other way around. I don't see the mix changing much from the sort of 50-50.
William Crossland: Yeah. It always varies a little bit. It goes up and down, both North America and Europe. Over the longer term, it's always been around 50-50, Europe and North America. This year, North America is a little bit stronger. Last year, Europe was a little bit stronger. You know, we would have expected North America because natural gas prices are very inexpensive in North America compared to Europe, but it keeps keeping pace, so we're pretty pleased with that. Like I said, this year, you know, North America is stronger than Europe, but last year it was the other way around. I don't see the mix changing much from the sort of 50-50.
Speaker #2: This year, North America is a little bit stronger. Last year, Europe was a little bit stronger. So we would have expected North America because natural gas prices are very inexpensive in North American compared to Europe.
Speaker #2: But it keeps keeping pace. So we're pretty pleased with that. So like I said, this year, North America is stronger than Europe. But last year was the other way around.
Speaker #2: But I don't see that the mix changing much from the sort of 50/50.
Jesús Sánchez: From your conversation with your customers, do you think that we will see an uptick in request or bidding due to the high prices of natural gas and energy that we are seeing in the US?
Speaker #4: From your conversation with your customers, do you think that we will see an uptick in requests or bidding due to the high prices of natural gas and energy that we are seeing in the U.S.?
Jesus Sanchez: From your conversation with your customers, do you think that we will see an uptick in request or bidding due to the high prices of natural gas and energy that we are seeing in the US?
Speaker #2: Yeah, it's still early days. But I think I would think we will. We did see that pretty significantly in Europe. When the war in Ukraine started and the natural gas prices spiked, there's a lot of natural gas liquefied natural gas terminals being built in North America that we think will push prices up in North America for natural gas.
William Crossland: Yeah. It's still early days, but I would think we will. We did see that pretty significantly in Europe, you know, when the war in Ukraine started and the natural gas prices spiked. You know, there's a lot of natural gas, liquefied natural gas terminals being built in North America that we think will, you know, push prices up in North America for natural gas over the longer term, so we're still pretty optimistic. In terms of, you know, with the Iranian war, we expect it will have an impact because customers will tell us even if prices go back down, they're seeing some pretty significant volatility, and that was their concern, and that has been their concern since the Ukraine war.
William Crossland: Yeah. It's still early days, but I would think we will. We did see that pretty significantly in Europe, you know, when the war in Ukraine started and the natural gas prices spiked. You know, there's a lot of natural gas, liquefied natural gas terminals being built in North America that we think will, you know, push prices up in North America for natural gas over the longer term, so we're still pretty optimistic. In terms of, you know, with the Iranian war, we expect it will have an impact because customers will tell us even if prices go back down, they're seeing some pretty significant volatility, and that was their concern, and that has been their concern since the Ukraine war.
Speaker #2: Over the longer term, so we're still pretty optimistic. But in terms of with the Iranian war, we haven't really seen—we expect it will have an impact because customers will tell us even if prices go back down, they're seeing some pretty significant volatility and that was their concern.
Speaker #2: And that has been their concern since the Ukraine war. So I think it'll be positive for us, but I can't say yet.
William Crossland: I think it'll be positive for us, but I can't say yet.
William Crossland: I think it'll be positive for us, but I can't say yet.
Speaker #4: Well, I guess it's too early, and people are still assessing the volatility. The last one for me, Bill: the Supreme Court of the US dropped the tariffs—I don't know if we can, or are going to, submit any claim for the tariffs paid.
Jesús Sánchez: Well, I guess it's too early.
Jesus Sanchez: Well, I guess it's too early.
William Crossland: Yeah.
Jesús Sánchez: People are still assessing the volatility. The last one for me, Bill, some, the Supreme Court of the US, dropped the tariffs. I don't know if we can or are gonna submit any claim for the tariffs paid.
William Crossland: Yeah.
Jesus Sanchez: People are still assessing the volatility. The last one for me, Bill, some, the Supreme Court of the US, dropped the tariffs. I don't know if we can or are gonna submit any claim for the tariffs paid.
William Crossland: You know what? If it is, if we are able to, it'll be a small amount. We're pretty well set up in both the US, Canada, and Europe. We can manufacture our product in the US if we can. We haven't really been hugely impacted by the tariffs, which would imply we haven't got any sort of significant claim coming.
Speaker #2: You know what? If it is—if we are able to—it'll be a small amount. We're pretty well set up in both the US, Canada, and Europe.
William Crossland: You know what? If it is, if we are able to, it'll be a small amount. We're pretty well set up in both the US, Canada, and Europe. We can manufacture our product in the US if we can. We haven't really been hugely impacted by the tariffs, which would imply we haven't got any sort of significant claim coming.
Speaker #2: So, we can manufacture our product in the US if we need to, so we haven't really been hugely impacted by the tariffs, which would imply we haven't got any sort of significant claim coming.
Speaker #4: Okay. No pain, no gain. Perfect. Thank you very much, Bill.
Jesús Sánchez: Okay. No pain, no gain.
Jesus Sanchez: Okay. No pain, no gain.
William Crossland: Yeah.
William Crossland: Yeah.
Jesús Sánchez: Perfect. Thank you very much, William Crossland.
Jesus Sanchez: Perfect. Thank you very much, William Crossland.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Thank you very much, Jesus. Okay. And it looks like there—it looks like there are no further questions at this time. Please go ahead, Bill.
William Crossland: Yeah. Thank you very much, Jesu.
William Crossland: Yeah. Thank you very much, Jesu.
Trevor Heisler: Okay. It looks like there are no further questions at this time. Please go ahead, Bill.
Moderator: Okay. It looks like there are no further questions at this time. Please go ahead, Bill.
Speaker #5: Well, I just want to, as always, thank everyone for their continued support and interest in thermal energy international. And we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.
William Crossland: Well, I just, I want to, as always, thank everyone for their continued support and interest in Thermal Energy International, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Have a great day and bye for now.
William Crossland: Well, I just, I want to, as always, thank everyone for their continued support and interest in Thermal Energy International, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Have a great day and bye for now.
Speaker #5: Have a great day, and bye for now.
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