Q4 2026 Thermal Energy International Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Our fiscal 2026. Fourth quarter and year-end earnings call. Our news release, financial statements, and MD&A are available on our website and have been filed on CDAR.
Speaker #1: After my prepared remarks, we'll have a question-and-answer session at which time qualified equity research analysts and institutional investors joining us on MS Teams will be able to ask questions.
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Speaker #1: For additional information, please refer to our financial statements and MD&A for the quarter and other filings with Canadian Securities Regulators. Next slide, please. Over the course of fiscal 2024 and 2025, we invested in scaling our business, particularly across our sales, marketing, and engineering functions.
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Speaker #1: We were transparent that these investments would create short-term pressure on our profitability, but we also said that we expected those investments to begin benefiting our top-line and our profitability in fiscal 2026.
Speaker #1: So today, I'm pleased to share that our solid fourth quarter capped out a record year for thermal energy international. Our revenue in the fourth quarter was up about 4%, while our profitability was more or less on par with the year ago.
Speaker #1: But when comparing it to on an apples-to-apples basis, which I'll explain later. For the fiscal year, we reached new all-time highs for order intake, revenue, and profitability.
Speaker #1: And we ended the year with a very strong balance sheet as we moved through our fiscal 2027 year. We look forward to continuing executing the strategy we announced at this time last year.
Speaker #1: Next slide, please. Looking at our top-line performance in the fourth quarter, we had revenue of $7.1 million, representing about a 4% increase over the fourth quarter.
Speaker #1: Last year, the increase was primarily driven by higher gem sales in the quarter. For the full year, we had revenue of almost $34 million, which was a new record for us and represented a 13% increase compared to last year.
Speaker #1: Our revenue in fiscal 2026 was fueled by double-digit increases from both Turnkey Heat Recovery and gem sales. As you can see on the graph, on the right, over the longer term, we've grown our annual revenues by almost 60% over the last 3 years.
Speaker #1: Next slide, please. Gross profit. I wanted to spend a moment discussing our gross profit for the quarter compared to fourth quarter the year before, 2025.
Speaker #1: While our fourth quarter revenue was up slightly, our gross profit in Q4 was down 6% compared to last year. This is because the fourth quarter of last year benefited from a couple of one-time adjustments on large corporate sales.
Speaker #1: Without the adjustments, gross profit in Q4, 2025, would have been very similar to what we achieved in Q4 this year. Additionally, I wanted to highlight that our gross margin for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026 was higher than in any other quarter of fiscal 2026, and up significantly from the second and third quarters.
Speaker #1: And for the full year, gross margin was up year over year, and we had record gross profit of 14.2 million dollars, which represents an increase of 48% over the last 3 years.
Speaker #1: Next slide, please. We had adjusted EBITDA of $247,000 for the quarter, which was down 38% from the prior year. Most of the decrease was due to the year-over-year difference in gross profit.
Speaker #1: Our operating expenses were up only $17,000, and therefore decreased as a percentage of revenue. For the fiscal year, adjusted EBITDA increased by about $800,000 to $1.9 million.
Speaker #1: Next slide, please. I thought it would be interesting to take a look at our adjusted EBITDA when also excluding the one-time employer obligation adjustment.
Speaker #1: That we had to make in the quarter. As you can see on slide 7, if it were not for the one-time adjustment of about $140,000, $149,000, in the quarter, our adjusted EBITDA would have been essentially flat to Q4 over the last year.
Speaker #1: Adjusted EBITDA would have been even higher and it would have been our highest yet. At 2.1 million dollars. Next slide, please. Our net income for the fourth quarter was essentially flat compared to the prior year, but the real story here is that our net income for the year was a new record at 1.34 million dollars.
Speaker #1: As you can see on the graph, on the right side, slide 8, our annual net income has increased 86% since fiscal 2023. Next slide, please.
Speaker #1: In addition to our record net income, we continued to generate very robust operating cash flow. On slide 9, we show how operating cash flow excluding changes in working capital items, which tends to vary pretty significantly quarter over quarter, has increased much more and is much higher than our net income.
Speaker #1: Looking back over the last 4 years, we had combined net income of $3.2 million, but over that time we generated a total of $7.3 million in operating cash flow.
Speaker #1: Next slide, please. So over the last few years, we've used that strong operating cash flow to materially strengthen our balance sheet by paying off more than $3 million in bank loans, including repaying over $300,000 in the last fiscal year, to bring our bank debt down to under $2,000 at year-end.
Speaker #1: We also returned about $500,000 to shareholders through the repurchasing of about $3.6 million shares. Next slide, please. Another highlight for the year was our order intake, which rose to approximately $30 million our highest ever in a fiscal year.
Speaker #1: We ended the year with an order backlog of $11.8, and since then, have received an additional $7 million in orders, bringing the current order backlog up to about $19 million as of yesterday.
Speaker #1: Next slide, please. The vast majority of orders we received in fiscal 2026, as in every year, were from repeat business with our large multinational customers.
Speaker #1: In fiscal 2026, we received 5.1 million dollars in orders from a global pharmaceutical leader. Following an initial $500,000 engineering project in 2025. In the next slide.
Speaker #1: Our business model largely centers on developing long-term relationships with large multinationals who often adopt thermal energy solutions across multiple facilities as they pursue ongoing energy efficiency and decarbonization objectives globally.
Speaker #1: A great example of this is our relationship with a global nutrition company. In fiscal 2026, they ordered their 7th, 8th, and 9th turnkey heat recovery projects from us, generating about $2.5 million in order intake and highlighting the scalability of our customer relationships.
Speaker #1: So far, in fiscal 2027, we've received 3 more orders from this customer, totaling $2.1 million. Those orders, which were announced in August, were for another 2 turnkey heat recovery projects, plus an order for a major equipment package.
Speaker #1: Which is one of our new offerings, stemming from the strategic review we did last year and announced last year. The thinking behind the major equipment packages is that we deliver the engineering and equipment while the customer manages the installation.
Speaker #1: This results in a faster sales cycle and greater flexibility for the customer. This is also useful approach when it's in a distant market where we have less of a presence, but as you can see, sometimes the same customer will at one site will order a turnkey, at another site will do a major equipment package, and that's all part of our strategy going forward to scale the business.
Speaker #1: Including these latest orders, our business with this customer since 2019 has grown to more than 16.8 million dollars, with solutions deployed at 28 manufacturing sites across 9 countries.
Speaker #1: We're continuing to work with them to cover additional opportunities to support facilities throughout their global manufacturing network. Next slide, please. The streamlined heat sponge turnkey offering we launched last year has been an early success.
Speaker #1: In fiscal 2026, we had announced roughly 5 million dollars in heat sponge simplified heat sponge turnkey orders. Including 2 projects with the multinational building materials company and 3 with the global nutrition company I just discussed.
Speaker #1: Next slide, please. So what's next? Well, looking ahead, we're continuing to execute the initiatives that make our solutions easier to deploy and more scalable, such as developing and promoting standardized equipment packages.
Speaker #1: At the same time, we're developing indirect sales channels so we recently hired 2 indirect sales channel managers, one for North America, one for Europe, who will be responsible for driving this strategy in their respective markets.
Speaker #1: And finally, we see Europe as a significant and largely untapped growth opportunity for heat sponge. We will initially support the market from our US facility before transitioning to European contract manufacturing, as demand builds, lowering costs and shortening lead times.
Speaker #1: Next slide, please. So to sum up, just a quick summary before we open the call for questions. We had solid fourth quarter to cap a banner year.
Speaker #1: We achieved fiscal year all-time highs for order intake revenue and profitability, with revenue up 59% over 3 years and profit up 86% over 3 years.
Speaker #1: We further strengthened our balance sheet and we're continuing to execute our strategy announced last year, which is positioning us well for sustained long-term growth.
Speaker #1: That's it for my prepared remarks. I'd now like to open the call for questions, and I'll turn it over to Trevor Heisler, at MBC Capital Markets Advisors, who will moderate our Q&A.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead, Trevor.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Bill. If you are a qualified equity analyst or institutional investor, joining us on MS Teams this morning and would like to ask a question, please notify me by using the raise your hand feature.
Speaker #2: And the first question comes from the desk of Russ Stanley at Beacon Securities. Please go ahead, Russ.
Speaker #3: Good morning, and thank you for the questions. Appreciate the time. Maybe first, on the backlog, as you noted, Bill, $19 million as of yesterday.
Speaker #3: I'm wondering if you can talk about what the pipeline for new orders looks like, and perhaps compare that to where you were about a year ago.
Speaker #4: Yeah, the pipeline continues to grow, but we don't you know, I'm always very hesitant to Russ as you know, to disclose pipeline because pipeline aren't orders.
Speaker #4: Sometimes the pipeline turns into orders, and sometimes it doesn't, but we're continuing to execute our strategy. You know, so we think the future looks pretty bright.
Speaker #4: We're feeling pretty positive about what we've achieved so far, and where we're going to take it. So our strategic plan that we've discussed over the last year or so seems to be we've got some good early positive results, so we think that's a positive sign for continuing our growth.
Speaker #3: Maybe if I could around the geographic revenue mix, it looks like the US sales to US-based customers grew meaningfully year over year in both absolute dollars and as a share of revenue, while I think several of the European markets saw a bit of a year-over-year decline.
Speaker #3: I'm wondering if you can elaborate, I guess, what's behind year-over-year those year-over-year trends, and is that just a reflection of where last year's opportunities were, and or is that more indicative of where you're seeing the strongest demand right now?
Speaker #4: No, it's you know, that varies year over year. You know, depending on the year, sometimes North America is growing more and has more sales, sometimes it's Europe.
Speaker #4: Over the longer term, it seems to be about 50%. But the particular growth in North America more recently has to do with pharmaceuticals. So we've mentioned a number of pharmaceutical orders, and we developed our pharmaceutical relationships.
Speaker #4: They started in North America. We're now trying expanding them to Europe and globally. But North America has grown pretty significantly partially because of the as pharmaceutical and also because a lot of the simplified heat sponges happen to be in Europe.
Speaker #4: And that's those the simplified turnkey heat sponge projects are in sorry, are in North America, as well. And that's partly because those are quick and easy projects with strong paybacks.
Speaker #4: And natural gas prices are lower in North America, so there's a better payback for that, whereas in Europe, you know, they might be more interested in the bigger projects.
Speaker #4: So it's there's nothing we don't expect that to be a continuing trend. We think both markets are going to continue to be strong for us, and it just happens to be a few year a couple of years ago it was Europe, and more recently it's been North America, but they both ebb and flow.
Speaker #4: And that's why we've got a good diversified revenue base, and on a consolidated basis, we continue growing.
Speaker #3: No, that's helpful color. Thanks for that. And I think you went off the call by talking to the decision to ramp up or expand the sales and engineering capabilities a few years ago, starting to see the benefits of that with the fiscal 26 results.
Speaker #3: I'm wondering on sales in particular, you always mentioned that it you know, it would take time for people to ramp up new additions to hit their stripes, so to speak.
Speaker #3: Are you happy now with the pace of that ramp up, and are you perhaps contemplating any more expansion of the internal team? And I mean that as a distinct from the IMR initiative.
Speaker #4: No, we're not we're not anticipating any expansion of the current team. You know, we're still you know, it's ramping up as we expected. You know, like always, there's some some things outperform and some underperform, but generally we're delivering the results we expected.
Speaker #4: The growth is what we expected. We're not planning to add more people at this point. You know, significantly. The strategic growth happened you know, a couple of years ago, and now we hope to sort of leverage those investments continue leveraging those investments.
Speaker #3: Got it. And on the major equipment packages, you talked about this earlier, where the customer handles the installation. I'm wondering, relative to a typical contract, understanding you'd forego some revenue, but can you remind us how the blended gross margins end up comparing relative to a typical contract, and any thoughts on the extent to which we should expect to see more of the major equipment package contracts going forward?
Speaker #3: Is that something that you're seeing a particular, you know, strength in demand from customers on?
Speaker #4: Yeah, well, it again, as I mentioned, it depends on the customer. It even depends on the site. Some sites are happy to do it on their own, and it depends on where the project is.
Speaker #4: So if it's in a far-flung market where we don't particularly want to do the installation, we will try and emphasize the major equipment package.
Speaker #4: But we do see it as a growth that it's going to continue to grow. It was part of our strategic plan to be able to leverage the business by, you know, not doing the full installation if the customer didn't want it or need it, or the margin is generally a bit better, and that makes sense because the proprietary part of the project is the equipment and the engineering.
Speaker #4: The installation, you know, we sub that out, so the customer can always sub it out and manage that if they wanted to. So the actual installation tends to have a lower margin.
Speaker #4: The equipment and the engineering has a higher margin. So while those projects will be smaller in terms of total revenue number, the margin should be higher.
Speaker #3: Well, that's great. That's all for me for now. Thank you very much. I'll pop back in the queue.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Russ.
Speaker #4: Great, thanks, Russ.
Speaker #1: And your next question comes from the line of Heizu Sanchez at Kassiner Investment Fund. Please go ahead, Heizu.
Speaker #2: Thank you very you, and congrats to all the team for this amazing results. Just a couple of questions on my side. The book to be ready has been going down consecutively during the last years.
Speaker #2: At what book to be ratio does our fiscal revenue hold flat, and what is the intake run rate in the first quarter which closed on August 31st?
Speaker #4: Sorry, Heizu. Yeah, thank you for joining us, and thank you for your continued interest and support. What did you say was going down over the I'm sort of missed right at the start where you said something's going down.
Speaker #2: The book to be ratio.
Speaker #4: So which ratio?
Speaker #2: Book to bill.
Speaker #4: Oh, book to bill. Help me out. What how do you calculate that ratio?
Speaker #2: With former PERs from the last annual reports in the last years.
Speaker #4: I'm really sorry, Heizu. The former what? The.
Speaker #2: All PERs from other annual reports of 2023, 2024, 2025.
Speaker #4: I'm sorry, I still don't book to bill. You mean how quickly we get an order and it turns it into revenue? Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker #2: Yeah, how many orders. Do we how much does the intake compares to how much we revenue we get from revenues?
Speaker #4: To order intake compared to revenue?
Speaker #2: Yeah.
Speaker #4: But not yeah, I don't see anything changing. Other than the you know, the major equipment packages and the simplified heat sponge turnkey projects, we'll be quicker order intake to revenue.
Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. And congrats to all the team for this amazing result. Just a couple of questions on my side. Uh, the booked-to-bill ratio has been going down consecutively during the last years.
At what book-to-bill ratio does our fiscal revenue hold flat, and what is the intake run rate in the first quarter, which closes on August 31st?
Speaker #4: So the turnkey the big turnkey projects take a longer time to revenue. So we get an order and, you know, we revenue it usually over 12 to 18 months.
Speaker #4: Or 9 to 18 months. Whereas the major equipment packages will turn into revenue much faster as will the simplified turnkey projects, because they're much simpler.
That's right. Yeah, thank you for joining us, and thank you for your continued interest and support. What did you say was going down over? I sort of missed right at the start. You said something's going down, then going to feel right here.
Ratio.
Book to Bill.
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Speaker #4: So we expect we'd be able to we'd expect we'd be able to turn orders into revenue quicker and that's partly in showing this past year.
Uh, can you help me out? What—how do you calculate that ratio?
Speaker #2: So you have the intake for the first quarter that ended in August?
Uh, with former PPR from the last annual reports in the last years.
Speaker #4: We haven't disclosed that. We haven't disclosed that yet.
Speaker #2: Okay. And my second question.
Speaker #4: We did we did disclose I think I didn't I think earlier in my presentation I said the orders received from now since the year end is $7 million I believe.
I'm really sorry here. So, what about the old PRS from other annual reports of 2023, 2024, and 2025?
Speaker #4: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But that's some of that might have been after the first quarter, so I'm not sure what the breakdown is between first quarter and September, because the first quarter ended in August.
I'm sorry. I still booked a bill. You mean how quickly we get an order and turn it into revenue—is that what you're talking about? How many orders do we have? How much is the intake?
Speaker #2: Also, the breakdown between Ottawa and Bristol, we have seen Ottawa grow in revenue 60%, but gross margin falling. While Bristol revenue is falling, and the gross margin raising.
Compared to how much revenue we get from revenues.
To order intake compared to revenue.
Yeah.
Speaker #2: So where is does Ottawa project margin settle at the scale, and what's has to happen in Bristol to recover our volume? We just signed a 10-year UK property lease, so yeah.
Um, but not I don't see anything changing other than the, uh, you know, the major equipment packages and the simplified heat, uh, heat sponge, turkey projects will be quicker order intake to revenue. Um, um,
Speaker #4: So it all has to do with the normal ebb and flow we have with large it all has to do with heat recovery projects for the most part.
Speaker #4: So, you know, Bristol had a bunch of heat recovery projects, and the last year or so they've had fewer. That's why the revenue is down, and that's why the margin is going up, because the larger portion of the European revenue has been gem.
So the turnkey the big, the big TurnKey projects, take a longer time to revenue. Um, so we get an order and, you know, we your Revenue usually over 12 to 18 months or 9 to 18 months. Whereas the major equipment packages will turn into Revenue much faster, as will the simplified TurnKey projects because they're they're they're much simpler.
Speaker #4: And just the opposite has happened in North America. There's been a lot number of large heat recovery projects, pharma as an example, as well as the simplified heat sponge turnkey projects, that have been large in North America.
So, in fact, we'd be able to, we, we expect to be able to turn orders into Revenue quicker and that's partly, uh, been showing this past year.
So, you have the intake for the first quarter that ended in August.
Speaker #4: And so, therefore, the revenue is growing, but the margin is going down because it's a higher proportion of the North American revenue is large projects and less equipment.
Speaker #4: So it's again, it's the normal ebb and flow. The actual product margins haven't changed, it's just the timing of some heat recovery projects. In both markets.
Speaker #2: Thank you very much for the call.
We haven't disclosed that we haven't disclosed that yet. Okay, we did, we did disclose, I think I didn't. I think earlier in my presentation I said the the um, the orders received from now since the year end is 7 million dollars. I believe somebody, correct me if I'm wrong. So but that's some of that might have been after the first quarter. So I'm not sure what the breakdown is between first quarter and September because the first quarter ended in August
Speaker #1: Okay, Bill, we also have two questions submitted to us by email from retail investors. The first one, can you break down your revenue into turnkey system sales and shorter duration gem sales?
Also, the breakdown between Ottawa and Bristol. We have seen Ottawa grow in revenue by 60%, but growth marketing is falling, while Bristol's revenue is falling, uh, and the growth marketing rating.
Speaker #4: We what we disclose which is in the notes to the financial, we break it down by equipment sales and turnkey project sales as well as services.
So, where is—uh, that's the Tower project. Martin set a lot of scale, and what has to happen in Bristol to recover our volume?
We just signed a 10-year UK property, so...
Speaker #4: And it again, it changes year over year. It ebbs and flows, but roughly equipment's you know, when you go back historically over the last number of years, sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less, but equipment's somewhere around 50%.
Speaker #4: And turnkey projects are somewhere around 50%. Turnkeys slightly higher, you know, maybe it's 45, 55, but generally that's about the that's about the ratio.
Speaker #4: And like I said, it's in the notes to the financials.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And the last question we have is, what is the plant utilization of the plants in Bristol?
Speaker #4: In terms of percentage, I'm not sure, but we have lots of we have lots of room left. Most of what we do in Bristol is in the Bristol plant is the gem traps.
yeah, so it it all has to do with the normal ebb and flow. We have with large, it all has to do with heat recovery projects for for the most part. Um, so you know, Bristol had a bunch of heat recovery projects and the last year or so, they've had fewer. That's why the revenue is down. And that's why the margin is going up because the larger portion of of the European Revenue has been Gem and just the opposite has happened in in North America. There's been a lot number of large uh, heat recovery projects far as an example as well, as the simplified heat sponge TurnKey projects that have been largely North America. Um, and so therefore, the revenue is growing but the margin is going down because it's a higher. Proportion of the North. American revenue is is large projects and less equipment.
Speaker #4: We just moved a couple of years ago, and the current facility off the top of my head is probably four times or five times the size of the previous facility.
So it's again, it's it's the it's the normal EV and flow. There is the the actual product margins haven't changed. Um it's just the timing of some heat recovery projects in both markets.
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Speaker #4: So there's lots of opportunity for growth there. You know, that's why we just signed a long-term lease. So it's going to serve our purposes for a long time.
Hey Bill, we also have two questions submitted to us by email from retail investors. The first one: Can you break down your revenue into TurnKey system sales and shorter duration GEM sales?
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Speaker #1: Excellent. And it looks like there are no further questions at this time. Please go ahead, Bill.
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Speaker #4: Okay, thank you so much for joining, everybody. And your continued interest and support of Thermal Energy International. Look forward to speaking to you again next quarter.
In the notes to the financial. Uh we we break it down by equipment um sales and and TurnKey project sales as well as Services um
And it's again, it, it changes year-over-year, it abs and flows but roughly equipments, you know, when you go back historically over the last number of years, sometimes it's more sometimes it's less but equipment somewhere around 50% and then TurnKey projects are somewhere around 50%.
But generally, that's about the that's about the ratio. And, like I said, it's uh, it's in. It's in the notes to the financials.
Thank you. And the last question we have is, what is the plant utilization of the Plantain Bristol?
Uh, in terms of percentage. Um, I'm not sure, but we have lots of, we have lots of of, of room left. Um, most of what we do in Bristol is is in the Bristol. Plant is the gem trops, um, we just moved a couple of years ago and the current facility off. The top of my head is probably 4 times or 5 times the size of the previous facility. So there's lots of opportunity for growth there. Um you know that's why we just we just signed a long-term lease so it's going to it's going to serve our purposes for a long time.
Excellent. And it looks like there are no further questions at this time. Please go ahead, Bill.
Okay, thank you so much for joining, everybody. And thank you for your continued interest and support of Thermal Energy International. I look forward to speaking to you again next quarter. Have a great day.
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