Q1 2026 Virtus Investment Partners Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Good morning. My name is Dee Dee, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Virtus Investment Partners quarterly conference call. The slide presentation for this call is available in the investor relations section of the Virtus website at www.virtus.com. This call is being recorded and will be available for replay on the Virtus website. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period, and instructions will follow at that time. I will now turn the conference to your host, Sean Rourke.
Speaker #1: The slide presentation for this call is available in the Investor Relations section of the VIRTUS website at www.virtus.com. This call is being recorded and will be available for replay on the VIRTUS website at this time.
Speaker #1: All participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period and instructions will follow at that time. I will now turn the conference to your host, Sean Rourke.
Speaker #1: Thanks, DeeDee, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to VIRTUS INVESTMENT PARTNERS discussion of our first quarter 2026 financial and operating results. Joining me today are George Aylward, our president and CEO, and Mike Angerthal, our chief financial officer.
Sean Rourke: Thanks, Dee Dee, good morning, everyone. Welcome to Virtus Investment Partners Discussion of Our Q1 2026 Financial and Operating Results. Joining me today are George Aylward, our President and CEO, and Michael Angerthal, our Chief Financial Officer. After their prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I'll refer you to the disclosures on slide 2. Today's comments may include forward-looking statements which involve risks and uncertainties described in our news release and SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations with the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in today's news release and financial supplement on our website. Now I'd like to turn the call over to George. George.
Sean Rourke: Thanks, Dee Dee, good morning, everyone. Welcome to Virtus Investment Partners Discussion of Our Q1 2026 Financial and Operating Results. Joining me today are George Aylward, our President and CEO, and Michael Angerthal, our Chief Financial Officer. After their prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I'll refer you to the disclosures on slide 2. Today's comments may include forward-looking statements which involve risks and uncertainties described in our news release and SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations with the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in today's news release and financial supplement on our website. Now I'd like to turn the call over to George. George.
Speaker #1: After their prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I'll refer you to the disclosures on slide two. Today's comments may include forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainties described in our news release and SEC filings.
Speaker #1: Actual results may defer materially. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations with the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in today's news release, and financial supplement on our website.
Speaker #1: Now I'd like to turn the call over to George. George? Thank you, Sean. And good morning, everyone. I'll start today with an overview of the results we reported this morning, and then Mike will provide more detail.
George Aylward: Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everyone. I'll start today with an overview of the results we reported this morning. Mike will provide more detail. Although the first quarter was challenging from a net flow perspective, reflecting our meaningful exposure to quality-oriented equity strategies which have remained out of favor, we had several areas of strength during the quarter that were overshadowed, and we also advanced key growth initiatives. Key highlights of the quarter included an 8% increase in sales, with growth in US retail funds, separate accounts, and global funds. Positive net flows in several strategies, including high conviction growth equity, multi-sector fixed income, listed real assets, and event-driven. Positive net flows in ETFs and global funds. Expansion into private markets with our investment in Keystone National Group. Continued return of capital, including $10 million of share repurchases.
George Aylward: Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everyone. I'll start today with an overview of the results we reported this morning. Mike will provide more detail. Although the first quarter was challenging from a net flow perspective, reflecting our meaningful exposure to quality-oriented equity strategies which have remained out of favor, we had several areas of strength during the quarter that were overshadowed, and we also advanced key growth initiatives. Key highlights of the quarter included an 8% increase in sales, with growth in US retail funds, separate accounts, and global funds. Positive net flows in several strategies, including high conviction growth equity, multi-sector fixed income, listed real assets, and event-driven. Positive net flows in ETFs and global funds. Expansion into private markets with our investment in Keystone National Group. Continued return of capital, including $10 million of share repurchases.
Speaker #1: Although the first quarter was challenging from a net flow perspective, reflecting our meaningful exposure to quality-oriented equity strategies, which have remained out of favor, we had several areas of strength during the quarter that were overshadowed, and we also advanced key growth initiatives.
Speaker #1: Key highlights of the quarter included an 8% increase in sales, with growth in U.S. retail funds, separate accounts, and global funds. Positive net flows in several strategies, including high conviction growth equity, multi-sector fixed income, listed real assets, and event-driven.
Speaker #1: Positive net flows in ETFs and global funds. Expansion into private markets with our investment in Keystone National Group. And continued return of capital including $10 million of share repurchases.
Speaker #1: We remained active in broadening our product offerings to meet the evolving client demand and expand our growth opportunities over time. The investment in Keystone on March 1st added a differentiated asset-centric private credit capability and our sales teams are actively focused on expanding distribution of their compelling strategies to retail and institutional clients.
George Aylward: We remained active in broadening our product offerings to meet the evolving client demand and expand our growth opportunities over time. The investment in Keystone on 1 March added a differentiated asset-centric private credit capability, and our sales teams are actively focused on expanding distribution of their compelling strategies to retail and institutional clients. Keystone focuses on senior secured amortizing fixed-rate financings backed by tangible assets. We believe their approach offers attractive stability and defensive characteristics for investors seeking a private credit allocation or a broader income-oriented solution with a different risk profile than many traditional direct lending vehicles. Keystone expands our private market capabilities, which also include those of Crescent Cove, as well as our overall alternative offerings that include managed futures and event-driven strategies.
George Aylward: We remained active in broadening our product offerings to meet the evolving client demand and expand our growth opportunities over time. The investment in Keystone on 1 March added a differentiated asset-centric private credit capability, and our sales teams are actively focused on expanding distribution of their compelling strategies to retail and institutional clients. Keystone focuses on senior secured amortizing fixed-rate financings backed by tangible assets. We believe their approach offers attractive stability and defensive characteristics for investors seeking a private credit allocation or a broader income-oriented solution with a different risk profile than many traditional direct lending vehicles. Keystone expands our private market capabilities, which also include those of Crescent Cove, as well as our overall alternative offerings that include managed futures and event-driven strategies.
Speaker #1: Keystone focuses on senior-secured amortizing fixed-rate financing backed by tangible assets. We believe their approach offers attractive stability and defensive characteristics for investors seeking a private credit allocation or a broader income-oriented solution with a different risk profile than many traditional direct lending vehicles.
Speaker #1: Keystone expands our private market capabilities, which also include those of Crescent Cove, as well as our overall alternative offerings that include managed futures and event-driven strategies.
Speaker #1: We continue to launch attractive, actively managed ETFs, including an emerging markets dividend ETF from our systematic team, our real estate income ETF from Duff & Phelps, and a growth equity ETF from Silvan.
George Aylward: We continued to launch attractive actively managed ETFs, including emerging markets dividend ETF from our systematic team, a real estate income ETF from Duff & Phelps, and a growth equity ETF from Silvant. We expect to continue to be active in developing and introducing new products over the upcoming quarters. Looking at our Q1 results, assets under management were $149 billion at 31 March, down from $159 billion due to net outflows and market performance. Total sales increased 8% to $5.8 billion, with a 26% increase in sales of equity strategies, in large part from some of our strategies that do not have a quality orientation. By product, we had higher sales of US retail funds, retail separate accounts, and global funds. Retail separate account sales increased 19% with higher sales in each month of the quarter.
George Aylward: We continued to launch attractive actively managed ETFs, including emerging markets dividend ETF from our systematic team, a real estate income ETF from Duff & Phelps, and a growth equity ETF from Silvant. We expect to continue to be active in developing and introducing new products over the upcoming quarters. Looking at our Q1 results, assets under management were $149 billion at 31 March, down from $159 billion due to net outflows and market performance. Total sales increased 8% to $5.8 billion, with a 26% increase in sales of equity strategies, in large part from some of our strategies that do not have a quality orientation. By product, we had higher sales of US retail funds, retail separate accounts, and global funds. Retail separate account sales increased 19% with higher sales in each month of the quarter.
Speaker #1: We expect to continue to be active in developing and introducing new products over the upcoming quarters. Looking at our first quarter results, assets under management were $149 billion at March 31st, down from $159 billion due to net outflows and market performance.
Speaker #1: Total sales increased 8% to $5.8 billion with a 26% increase in sales of equity strategies in large part from some of our strategies that do not have a quality orientation.
Speaker #1: By product, we had higher sales of U.S. retail funds, retail separate accounts, and global funds. Retail separate account sales increased 19%, with higher sales in each month of the quarter, and on April 1st we reopened the SMIDCAP Core strategy that had soft-closed in 2024.
George Aylward: On April 1st, we reopened the SMid-Cap Core strategy that had been soft closed in 2024. Total net outflows were $8.4 billion, across products, the outflows were almost entirely driven by equities. I would note that the majority, over 80%, of the net outflows were in the 2 months of the quarter, as net outflows improved significantly in March. Looking at flows across asset classes, the equity net outflows largely reflected the continued style headwind for quality-oriented strategies, including a meaningful institutional global equity redemption and the previously disclosed rebalancing of a lower-fee retail separate account model-only mandate to a passive strategy. Fixed income net flows were essentially breakeven for the quarter as positive net flows in multi-sector convertibles and preferreds were offset by net outflows in investment-grade and leveraged finance.
George Aylward: On April 1st, we reopened the SMid-Cap Core strategy that had been soft closed in 2024. Total net outflows were $8.4 billion, across products, the outflows were almost entirely driven by equities. I would note that the majority, over 80%, of the net outflows were in the 2 months of the quarter, as net outflows improved significantly in March. Looking at flows across asset classes, the equity net outflows largely reflected the continued style headwind for quality-oriented strategies, including a meaningful institutional global equity redemption and the previously disclosed rebalancing of a lower-fee retail separate account model-only mandate to a passive strategy. Fixed income net flows were essentially breakeven for the quarter as positive net flows in multi-sector convertibles and preferreds were offset by net outflows in investment-grade and leveraged finance.
Speaker #1: Total net outflows were $8.4 billion, and across products, the outflows were almost entirely driven by equities. I would note that the majority—over 80%—of the net outflows were in the first two months of the quarter, as net outflows improved significantly in March.
Speaker #1: Looking at flows across asset classes, the equity net outflows largely reflected the continued style headwind for quality-oriented strategies, including a meaningful institutional global equity redemption and the previously disclosed rebalancing of a lower-fee retail separate account, model-only mandate to a passive strategy.
Speaker #1: Fixed income net flows were essentially break-even for the quarter, as positive net flows in multi-sector, convertibles, and preferreds were offset by net outflows in investment grade and leveraged finance.
Speaker #1: Multi-asset strategies were also essentially break-even while alternative strategies had net outflows of 0.4 billion primarily driven by managed futures. In terms of what we saw in April, as previously mentioned, overall trends improved over the course of the first quarter, and April flows were more similar to March.
George Aylward: Multi-asset strategies were also essentially breakeven, while alternative strategies had net outflows of $0.4 billion, primarily driven by managed futures. In terms of what we saw in April, as previously mentioned, overall trends improved over the course of Q1. April flows were more similar to March. For US retail funds, both sales and flows improved in April over March. ETF sales and net flows were at their highest level since September. For retail separate accounts, while we do not have as much transparency given a large portion is model only, we do anticipate better flows in Q2 and are pleased to have recently reopened the SMid-Cap Core strategy. On the institutional side, known wins actually modestly cede known redemptions for the first time in a long time. As always, institutional flows can be very lumpy and hard to predict.
George Aylward: Multi-asset strategies were also essentially breakeven, while alternative strategies had net outflows of $0.4 billion, primarily driven by managed futures. In terms of what we saw in April, as previously mentioned, overall trends improved over the course of Q1. April flows were more similar to March. For US retail funds, both sales and flows improved in April over March. ETF sales and net flows were at their highest level since September. For retail separate accounts, while we do not have as much transparency given a large portion is model only, we do anticipate better flows in Q2 and are pleased to have recently reopened the SMid-Cap Core strategy. On the institutional side, known wins actually modestly cede known redemptions for the first time in a long time. As always, institutional flows can be very lumpy and hard to predict.
Speaker #1: For U.S. retail funds, both sales and flows improved in April over March, and ETF sales and net flows were at their highest level since September.
Speaker #1: For retail separate accounts, while we do not have as much transparency given a large portion is model only, we do anticipate better flows in the second quarter, and are pleased to have recently reopened the SMIDCAP Core strategy.
Speaker #1: On the institutional side, known wins actually modestly exceed known redemptions for the first time in a long time, though, as always, institutional flows can be very lumpy and hard to predict.
Speaker #1: Turning now to our financial results, the operating margin was 24% and reflected the impact of seasonally higher employment expenses. Excluding those items, the operating margin was 30.3%.
George Aylward: Turning now to our financial results. The operating margin was 24% and reflected the impact of seasonally higher employment expenses. Excluding those items, the operating margin was 30.3%. Earnings per share as adjusted at $5.38 declined from Q4, primarily due to a $1.26 per share of seasonal employment expenses. Excluding those items, earnings per share as adjusted declined 6%. Turning to investment performance, as we've previously discussed, recent performance reflects our overweight in quality equity. However, we did see improving relative performance in Q1 in our equity strategies. Fixed income and alternative strategies have consistently strong performance with 78% and 71% respectively beating benchmarks for the 3-year period. Over the longer 10-year period, 54% of our equity, 73% of our fixed income, and 71% of alternative strategies beat their benchmarks.
George Aylward: Turning now to our financial results. The operating margin was 24% and reflected the impact of seasonally higher employment expenses. Excluding those items, the operating margin was 30.3%. Earnings per share as adjusted at $5.38 declined from Q4, primarily due to a $1.26 per share of seasonal employment expenses. Excluding those items, earnings per share as adjusted declined 6%. Turning to investment performance, as we've previously discussed, recent performance reflects our overweight in quality equity. However, we did see improving relative performance in Q1 in our equity strategies. Fixed income and alternative strategies have consistently strong performance with 78% and 71% respectively beating benchmarks for the 3-year period. Over the longer 10-year period, 54% of our equity, 73% of our fixed income, and 71% of alternative strategies beat their benchmarks.
Speaker #1: Earnings per share as adjusted of $5.38 declined from the fourth quarter primarily due to $1.26 per share of seasonal employment expenses excluding those items, earnings per share as adjusted declined 6%.
Speaker #1: Turning to investment performance, as we previously discussed, recent performance reflects our overweight in quality equity. However, we did see improving relative performance in the first quarter in our equity strategies.
Speaker #1: Fixed income and alternative strategies have consistently strong performance with 78 and 71 percent respectively beating benchmarks for the three-year period. Over the longer 10-year period, 54% of our equity, 73% of our fixed income, and 71% of alternative strategies beat their benchmarks.
Speaker #1: In terms of our balance sheet and capital, we ended the quarter with cash and equivalents of $137 million, other investments of $269 million, and $200 million of undrawn capacity on our revolving credit facility.
George Aylward: In terms of our balance sheet and capital, we ended the quarter with cash and equivalents of $137 million, other investments of $269 million, and $200 million of undrawn capacity on our revolving credit facility. Cash was lower sequentially as the Q1 of each year is our highest period of cash utilization. In addition to Q1 seasonal expenses, cash usage included the $200 million closing payment for the Keystone investment and $23 million representing the majority of our remaining revenue participation obligation. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 73,000 shares for $10 million and paid our quarterly dividend. We continue to have financial flexibility to balance our capital priorities of investing in the business, returning capital to shareholders, and maintaining appropriate leverage.
George Aylward: In terms of our balance sheet and capital, we ended the quarter with cash and equivalents of $137 million, other investments of $269 million, and $200 million of undrawn capacity on our revolving credit facility. Cash was lower sequentially as the Q1 of each year is our highest period of cash utilization. In addition to Q1 seasonal expenses, cash usage included the $200 million closing payment for the Keystone investment and $23 million representing the majority of our remaining revenue participation obligation. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 73,000 shares for $10 million and paid our quarterly dividend. We continue to have financial flexibility to balance our capital priorities of investing in the business, returning capital to shareholders, and maintaining appropriate leverage. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike to provide more detail on the financial results. Mike.
Speaker #1: Cash was lower sequentially, as the first quarter of each year is our highest period of cash utilization. In addition to first quarter seasonal expenses, cash usage included the $200 million closing payment for the Keystone investment, and $23 million representing the majority of our remaining revenue participation obligation.
Speaker #1: During the quarter, we repurchased approximately $73,000 shares for $10 million and paid our quarterly dividend. We continued to have financial flexibility to balance our capital priorities of investing in the business, returning capital to shareholders, and maintaining appropriate leverage.
Speaker #1: And with that, I'll turn the call over to Mike to provide more detail on the financial results. Mike?
George Aylward: With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike to provide more detail on the financial results. Mike.
Speaker #2: Thank you, George. Good to be with you all this morning. Starting with our results on slide seven, assets under management. Our total assets under management at March 31st were $149 billion.
Michael Angerthal: Thank you, George. Good to be with you all this morning. Starting with our results on slide 7, Assets Under Management. Our total assets under management at 31 March were $149 billion, and average assets declined 4% to $158.2 billion. Our AUM continues to be well-diversified across products and asset classes. By product, institutional accounts were 33% of AUM. US retail funds represented 27%, and retail separate accounts, including wealth management, represented 25%. The remaining 15% consisted of closed-end funds, global funds, and ETFs. Within open-end funds, ETF AUM increased to $5.4 billion, up $0.2 billion sequentially on continued strong net flows and up 58% year over year.
Mike Angerthal: Thank you, George. Good to be with you all this morning. Starting with our results on slide 7, Assets Under Management. Our total assets under management at 31 March were $149 billion, and average assets declined 4% to $158.2 billion. Our AUM continues to be well-diversified across products and asset classes. By product, institutional accounts were 33% of AUM. US retail funds represented 27%, and retail separate accounts, including wealth management, represented 25%. The remaining 15% consisted of closed-end funds, global funds, and ETFs. Within open-end funds, ETF AUM increased to $5.4 billion, up $0.2 billion sequentially on continued strong net flows and up 58% year over year.
Speaker #2: And average assets declined 4% to $158.2 billion. Our AUM continues to be well-diversified across products and asset classes. By product, institutional accounts were 33% of AUM, US retail funds represented 27%, and retail separate accounts, including wealth management, represented 25%.
Speaker #2: The remaining 15% consisted of closed-end funds, global funds, and ETFs. Within open-end funds, ETF AUM increased to $5.4 billion, up $0.2 billion sequentially on continued strong net flows, and up 58% year over year.
Speaker #2: We are also well-diversified by asset class, with broad representation across domestic and international equities, including mid-, small-, and large-cap strategies, and fixed income offerings diversified across duration, credit quality, and geography.
Michael Angerthal: We are also well-diversified by asset class with broad representation across domestic and international equities, including mid, small, and large cap strategies, and fixed income offerings diversified across duration, credit quality, and geography. With the addition of Keystone during the quarter, which added $2.3 billion of AUM, alternatives now represent over 12% of assets, up from 9.7% last quarter and 9% a year ago. Turning to slide 8, Asset Flows. Total sales increased 8% to $5.8 billion, up from $5.3 billion in the Q4. The increase was led by sales of equity strategies, which increased 26% with the growth broadly across domestic, international, and global equity. Reviewing by product, institutional sales were $1.2 billion versus $1.4 billion last quarter, with higher equity and multi-asset sales offset by lower fixed income and alternatives.
Mike Angerthal: We are also well-diversified by asset class with broad representation across domestic and international equities, including mid, small, and large cap strategies, and fixed income offerings diversified across duration, credit quality, and geography. With the addition of Keystone during the quarter, which added $2.3 billion of AUM, alternatives now represent over 12% of assets, up from 9.7% last quarter and 9% a year ago. Turning to slide 8, Asset Flows. Total sales increased 8% to $5.8 billion, up from $5.3 billion in the Q4. The increase was led by sales of equity strategies, which increased 26% with the growth broadly across domestic, international, and global equity. Reviewing by product, institutional sales were $1.2 billion versus $1.4 billion last quarter, with higher equity and multi-asset sales offset by lower fixed income and alternatives.
Speaker #2: With the addition of Keystone during the quarter, which added $2.3 billion of AUM, alternatives now represent over 12% of assets, up from 9.7% last quarter and 9% a year ago.
Speaker #2: Turning to slide eight, asset flows. Total sales increased 8% to 5.8 billion, up from 5.3 billion in the fourth quarter. The increase was led by sales of equity strategies, which increased 26% with the growth broadly across domestic, international, and global equity.
Speaker #2: Reviewing by product, institutional sales were $1.2 billion, versus $1.4 billion last quarter, with higher equity and multi-asset sales offset by lower fixed income and alternatives.
Speaker #2: Retail separate account sales increased to $1.4 billion, from $1.2 billion in the fourth quarter primarily due to a 30% increase in sales in the intermediary sold channel across strategies.
Michael Angerthal: Retail separate account sales increased to $1.4 billion from $1.2 billion in Q4, primarily due to a 30% increase in sales in the intermediary sold channel across strategies. Open-end fund sales increased 11% to $3.1 billion and included $0.6 billion of ETF sales. Open-end fund sales were higher in equities, fixed income, and multi-asset strategies, with much of the increase in equity sales in style agnostic and growth strategies. Total net outflows were $8.4 billion, compared with $8.1 billion last quarter. As previously mentioned, the outflows improved meaningfully in the last month of the quarter. Reviewing by product, institutional net outflows of $3.2 billion were again primarily due to redemptions of quality-oriented global equity strategies.
Mike Angerthal: Retail separate account sales increased to $1.4 billion from $1.2 billion in Q4, primarily due to a 30% increase in sales in the intermediary sold channel across strategies. Open-end fund sales increased 11% to $3.1 billion and included $0.6 billion of ETF sales. Open-end fund sales were higher in equities, fixed income, and multi-asset strategies, with much of the increase in equity sales in style agnostic and growth strategies. Total net outflows were $8.4 billion, compared with $8.1 billion last quarter. As previously mentioned, the outflows improved meaningfully in the last month of the quarter. Reviewing by product, institutional net outflows of $3.2 billion were again primarily due to redemptions of quality-oriented global equity strategies.
Speaker #2: Open-end fund sales increased 11% to $3.1 billion, and included $0.6 billion of ETF sales. Open-end fund sales were higher in equities, fixed income, and multi-asset strategies, with much of the increase in equity sales in style-agnostic and growth strategies.
Speaker #2: Total net outflows were $8.4 billion compared with $8.1 billion last quarter and as previously mentioned, the outflows improved meaningfully in the last month of the quarter.
Speaker #2: Reviewing by product, institutional net outflows of $3.2 billion were again primarily due to redemptions of quality-oriented global equity strategies. Retail separate accounts had net outflows of $3.9 billion, which included a $1.4 billion redemption of a lower-fee model-only account that we previously disclosed.
Michael Angerthal: Retail separate accounts had net outflows of $3.9 billion, which included a $1.4 billion redemption of a lower fee model only account that we previously disclosed. Open-end fund net outflows of $1.3 billion improved from $2.5 billion last quarter and included positive net flows in fixed income and global equity. For closed-end funds, which include Keystone's tender offer fund, we reported modestly negative net flows. I would point out that while Keystone's fund had positive net flows for the quarter, our results reflect just one month of their sales, but a full quarter of redemptions, given the fund's quarterly tenders take place in March. ETFs continued to deliver solid growth, generating +$0.3 billion of net flows and sustaining a strong double-digit organic growth rate.
Mike Angerthal: Retail separate accounts had net outflows of $3.9 billion, which included a $1.4 billion redemption of a lower fee model only account that we previously disclosed. Open-end fund net outflows of $1.3 billion improved from $2.5 billion last quarter and included positive net flows in fixed income and global equity. For closed-end funds, which include Keystone's tender offer fund, we reported modestly negative net flows. I would point out that while Keystone's fund had positive net flows for the quarter, our results reflect just one month of their sales, but a full quarter of redemptions, given the fund's quarterly tenders take place in March. ETFs continued to deliver solid growth, generating +$0.3 billion of net flows and sustaining a strong double-digit organic growth rate.
Speaker #2: Open-end fund net outflows of $1.3 billion improved from $2.5 billion last quarter and included positive net flows in fixed income and global equity. For closed-end funds, which include Keystone's tender offer fund, we reported modestly negative net flows.
Speaker #2: I would point out that while Keystone's fund had positive net flows for the quarter, our results reflect just one month of their sales but a full quarter of redemptions given the fund's quarterly tenders take place in March.
Speaker #2: ETFs continued to deliver solid growth, generating $0.3 billion of positive net flows and sustaining a strong double-digit organic growth rate. Turning to slide nine, investment management fees as adjusted were $163.5 million.
Michael Angerthal: Turning to Slide 9, investment management fees as adjusted were $163.5 million, down 3% due to lower average AUM, partially offset by a higher average fee rate. The average fee rate was 41.9 basis points up from 40.6 basis points last quarter and included approximately 0.6 basis points of incentive fees from one month of Keystone. For modeling purposes, an average fee rate in the range of 43 to 45 basis points is reasonable for Q2, reflecting a full quarter of Keystone. As always, the fee rate will vary with market levels and asset mix. Slide 10 shows the five-quarter trend in employment expenses.
Mike Angerthal: Turning to Slide 9, investment management fees as adjusted were $163.5 million, down 3% due to lower average AUM, partially offset by a higher average fee rate. The average fee rate was 41.9 basis points up from 40.6 basis points last quarter and included approximately 0.6 basis points of incentive fees from one month of Keystone. For modeling purposes, an average fee rate in the range of 43 to 45 basis points is reasonable for Q2, reflecting a full quarter of Keystone. As always, the fee rate will vary with market levels and asset mix. Slide 10 shows the five-quarter trend in employment expenses.
Speaker #2: Down 3% due to lower average AUM, partially offset by a higher average fee rate. The average fee rate was 41.9 basis points, up from 40.6 basis points last quarter, and included approximately 0.6 basis points of incentive fees from one month of Keystone.
Speaker #2: For modeling purposes, an average fee rate in the range of 43 to 45 basis points is reasonable for the second quarter, reflecting a full quarter of Keystone.
Speaker #2: As always, the fee rate will vary with market levels and asset mix. Slide 10 shows the five-quarter trend in employment expenses. Total employment expenses, as adjusted, of $106.2 million increased 11% sequentially.
Michael Angerthal: Total employment expenses as adjusted of $106.2 million increased 11% sequentially, reflecting $11.4 million of seasonal employment expenses related to the timing of annual incentives, primarily incremental payroll taxes and benefits. On the more comparable year-over-year basis, employment expenses declined 3%. Excluding the seasonal items, employment expenses also decreased on a sequential basis. Employment expenses were 58.3% of revenues as adjusted, with the sequential increase primarily due to the seasonal expenses. Excluding those items, employment expenses were 52% of revenues, higher than the Q4, largely due to lower revenues.
Mike Angerthal: Total employment expenses as adjusted of $106.2 million increased 11% sequentially, reflecting $11.4 million of seasonal employment expenses related to the timing of annual incentives, primarily incremental payroll taxes and benefits. On the more comparable year-over-year basis, employment expenses declined 3%. Excluding the seasonal items, employment expenses also decreased on a sequential basis. Employment expenses were 58.3% of revenues as adjusted, with the sequential increase primarily due to the seasonal expenses. Excluding those items, employment expenses were 52% of revenues, higher than the Q4, largely due to lower revenues.
Speaker #2: Reflecting $11.4 million of seasonal employment expenses related to the timing of annual incentives, primarily incremental payroll taxes and benefits. On a more comparable year-over-year basis, employment expenses declined 3%.
Speaker #2: Excluding the seasonal items, employment expenses also decreased on a sequential basis. Employment expenses were 58.3% of revenues as adjusted, with the sequential increase primarily due to the seasonal expenses.
Speaker #2: Excluding those items, employment expenses were 52% of revenues, higher than the fourth quarter largely due to lower revenues. For modeling purposes, it's reasonable to assume employment expenses as adjusted will be in the 51 to 53 percent range as a percentage of revenues and at the high end of that range in the second quarter primarily due to the decline in equity assets under management.
Michael Angerthal: For modeling purposes, it's reasonable to assume employment expenses as adjusted will be in the 51% to 53% range as a percentage of revenues, and at the high end of that range in Q2, primarily due to the decline in equity assets under management. As always, results will vary with flows and market performance. Turning to Slide 11, other operating expenses as adjusted were $30.6 million, up modestly from $30.2 million, in part to the addition of Keystone during the quarter. For modeling purposes, a quarterly range of $31 to 33 million is reasonable going forward to reflect the full quarter impact of Keystone. In addition, keep in mind that our annual board of directors equity grant occurs in Q2 and is incremental to the outlook. Slide 12 illustrates the trend in earnings.
Mike Angerthal: For modeling purposes, it's reasonable to assume employment expenses as adjusted will be in the 51% to 53% range as a percentage of revenues, and at the high end of that range in Q2, primarily due to the decline in equity assets under management. As always, results will vary with flows and market performance. Turning to Slide 11, other operating expenses as adjusted were $30.6 million, up modestly from $30.2 million, in part to the addition of Keystone during the quarter. For modeling purposes, a quarterly range of $31 to 33 million is reasonable going forward to reflect the full quarter impact of Keystone. In addition, keep in mind that our annual board of directors equity grant occurs in Q2 and is incremental to the outlook. Slide 12 illustrates the trend in earnings.
Speaker #2: And as always, results will vary with flows and market performance. Turning to slide 11, other operating expenses, as adjusted, were $30.6 million, up modestly from $30.2 million, in part due to the addition of Keystone during the quarter.
Speaker #2: For modeling purposes, a quarterly range of 31 to 33 million is reasonable going forward to reflect the full quarter impact of Keystone. In addition, keep in mind that our annual board of directors equity grant occurs in the second quarter and is incremental to the outlook.
Speaker #2: Slide 12 illustrates the trend in earnings. Operating income, as adjusted, of $43.8 million decreased from $61.1 million, in large part due to seasonal expenses.
Michael Angerthal: Operating income as adjusted of $43.8 million decreased from $61.1 million, in large part due to seasonal expenses. Excluding those items, operating income decreased 10%, primarily due to lower average assets under management. The operating margin as adjusted of 24% compared with 32.4% in the Q4. Excluding the seasonal employment expenses, the operating margin was 30.3%. With respect to non-operating items, interest and dividend income declined by $1.4 million due to a lower cash balance reflecting the timing of the Keystone investment and seasonal cash obligations. Non-controlling interests of $1.4 million were modestly lower than the prior quarter. Looking ahead for modeling purposes, we believe that a reasonable range for non-controlling interests will be $4 million to $5 million, which factors in a full quarter of Keystone.
Mike Angerthal: Operating income as adjusted of $43.8 million decreased from $61.1 million, in large part due to seasonal expenses. Excluding those items, operating income decreased 10%, primarily due to lower average assets under management. The operating margin as adjusted of 24% compared with 32.4% in the Q4. Excluding the seasonal employment expenses, the operating margin was 30.3%. With respect to non-operating items, interest and dividend income declined by $1.4 million due to a lower cash balance reflecting the timing of the Keystone investment and seasonal cash obligations. Non-controlling interests of $1.4 million were modestly lower than the prior quarter. Looking ahead for modeling purposes, we believe that a reasonable range for non-controlling interests will be $4 million to $5 million, which factors in a full quarter of Keystone.
Speaker #2: Excluding those items, operating income decreased 10%, primarily due to lower average assets under management. The operating margin, as adjusted, was 24% compared with 32.4% in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: Excluding the seasonal employment expenses, the operating margin was 30.3%. With respect to non-operating items, interest and dividend income declined by $1.4 million due to a lower cash balance, reflecting the timing of the Keystone investment and seasonal cash obligations.
Speaker #2: Non-controlling interests of $1.4 million were modestly lower than the prior quarter. Looking ahead for modeling purposes, we believe that a reasonable range for non-controlling interests will be $4 to $5 million, which factors in a full quarter of Keystone.
Speaker #2: Turning to income taxes, as we recently announced, beginning with this quarter's results, we updated how we reflect income taxes in our non-GAAP presentation and have recast the relevant line items in prior quarters.
Michael Angerthal: Turning to income taxes, as we recently announced, beginning with this quarter's results, we updated how we reflect income taxes in our non-GAAP presentation and have recast the relevant line items in prior quarters. Over time, through acquisitions, we have built a significant intangible tax asset that generates meaningful economic tax benefits. Given the size of this attribute and our expectation of realizing the benefit, we believe it is appropriate to reflect it in earnings. For context, the tax benefit represented about $2.64 per share of earnings in 2025. For Q1, our effective tax rate of 14% was lower sequentially by approximately 400 basis points due to the impact of the amortization tax benefit on a seasonally lower level of pre-tax income.
Mike Angerthal: Turning to income taxes, as we recently announced, beginning with this quarter's results, we updated how we reflect income taxes in our non-GAAP presentation and have recast the relevant line items in prior quarters. Over time, through acquisitions, we have built a significant intangible tax asset that generates meaningful economic tax benefits. Given the size of this attribute and our expectation of realizing the benefit, we believe it is appropriate to reflect it in earnings. For context, the tax benefit represented about $2.64 per share of earnings in 2025. For Q1, our effective tax rate of 14% was lower sequentially by approximately 400 basis points due to the impact of the amortization tax benefit on a seasonally lower level of pre-tax income.
Speaker #2: Over time, through acquisitions, we have built a significant intangible tax asset that generates meaningful economic tax benefits. Given the size of this attribute and our expectation of realizing the benefit, we believe it is appropriate to reflect it in earnings.
Speaker #2: For context, the tax benefit represented about $2.64 per share of earnings in 2025. For the first quarter, our effective tax rate of 14% was lower sequentially by approximately 400 basis points due to the impact of the amortization tax benefit on a seasonally lower level of pre-tax income.
Speaker #2: Beginning with the second quarter, an effective tax rate of 14% to 15% would be reasonable to expect. Net income as adjusted of $5.38 per diluted share which included $1.26 per share of seasonal expenses compared with $7.16 in the fourth quarter and declined 16% from the prior year primarily due to lower average AUM.
Michael Angerthal: Beginning with Q2, an effective tax rate of 14% to 15% would be reasonable to expect. Net income as adjusted of $5.38 per diluted share, which included $1.26 per share of seasonal expenses compared with $7.16 in Q4, and declined 16% from the prior year, primarily due to lower average AUM. Slide 13 shows the trend of our capital liquidity and select balance sheet items. On 1 March, we completed the 56% investment in Keystone for $200 million. As a reminder, there is up to $170 million of additional consideration over 2 years, a meaningful portion of which is subject to achievement of revenue targets. The estimated fair value of the deferred payments is recorded on the balance sheet as contingent consideration.
Mike Angerthal: Beginning with Q2, an effective tax rate of 14% to 15% would be reasonable to expect. Net income as adjusted of $5.38 per diluted share, which included $1.26 per share of seasonal expenses compared with $7.16 in Q4, and declined 16% from the prior year, primarily due to lower average AUM. Slide 13 shows the trend of our capital liquidity and select balance sheet items. On 1 March, we completed the 56% investment in Keystone for $200 million. As a reminder, there is up to $170 million of additional consideration over 2 years, a meaningful portion of which is subject to achievement of revenue targets. The estimated fair value of the deferred payments is recorded on the balance sheet as contingent consideration.
Speaker #2: Slide 13 shows the trend of our capital liquidity and select balance sheet items. On March 1, we completed the 56% investment in Keystone for $200 million.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, there is up to $170 million of additional consideration over two years. A meaningful portion of which is subject to achievement of revenue targets.
Speaker #2: The estimated fair value of the deferred payments is recorded on the balance sheet as contingent consideration. Contingent consideration at March 31 totaled $126 million, with the sequential increase reflecting the addition of the Keystone deferred payments, partially offset by the payment of the majority of our remaining revenue participation obligation, which was $23 million.
Michael Angerthal: Contingent consideration at 31 March totaled $126 million, with the sequential increase reflecting the addition of the Keystone deferred payments, partially offset by the payment of the majority of our remaining revenue participation obligation, which was $23 million. As previously discussed, our transaction with Keystone includes increasing our ownership to 75%, with the equity purchases taking place during years 3 through 6 after closing. The estimated value of those purchases is recorded in redeemable non-controlling interest, which increased to $131 million at 31 March. The remaining 25% of Keystone is reflected in the manager non-controlling interest liability, which totaled $152 million, the majority of which represents Keystone equity held by Keystone employees that will be recycled to future generations.
Mike Angerthal: Contingent consideration at 31 March totaled $126 million, with the sequential increase reflecting the addition of the Keystone deferred payments, partially offset by the payment of the majority of our remaining revenue participation obligation, which was $23 million. As previously discussed, our transaction with Keystone includes increasing our ownership to 75%, with the equity purchases taking place during years 3 through 6 after closing. The estimated value of those purchases is recorded in redeemable non-controlling interest, which increased to $131 million at 31 March. The remaining 25% of Keystone is reflected in the manager non-controlling interest liability, which totaled $152 million, the majority of which represents Keystone equity held by Keystone employees that will be recycled to future generations.
Speaker #2: As previously discussed, our transaction with Keystone includes increasing our ownership to 75%, with the equity purchases taking place during years three through six after closing.
Speaker #2: The estimated value of those purchases is recorded in redeemable non-controlling interests, which increased to $131 million at March 31. The remaining 25% of Keystone is reflected in the manager non-controlling interest liability, which totaled $152 million.
Speaker #2: The majority of which represents Keystone equity held by Keystone employees that will be recycled to future generations. Cash and equivalents at March 31st were $137 million, down from December 31st due to the payment for Keystone seasonal employment expenses and return of capital.
Michael Angerthal: Cash and equivalents at 31 March were $137 million, down from 31 December due to the payment for Keystone, seasonal employment expenses, and return of capital. In addition, we had $269 million of other investments, including seed capital, to support future growth opportunities. Return of capital to shareholders in Q1 included our quarterly dividend and the repurchase of 73,463 shares of common stock for $10 million. Gross debt at the end of Q1 was $448 million, up from $399 million at 31 December due to a $50 million draw on our revolving credit facility. Net debt was $311 million or 1.1x EBITDA. As a reminder, we typically prioritize repayments of amounts drawn on our credit facility over the short term.
Mike Angerthal: Cash and equivalents at 31 March were $137 million, down from 31 December due to the payment for Keystone, seasonal employment expenses, and return of capital. In addition, we had $269 million of other investments, including seed capital, to support future growth opportunities. Return of capital to shareholders in Q1 included our quarterly dividend and the repurchase of 73,463 shares of common stock for $10 million. Gross debt at the end of Q1 was $448 million, up from $399 million at 31 December due to a $50 million draw on our revolving credit facility. Net debt was $311 million or 1.1x EBITDA. As a reminder, we typically prioritize repayments of amounts drawn on our credit facility over the short term.
Speaker #2: In addition, we had $269 million of other investments including seed capital to support future growth opportunities. Return of capital to shareholders in the first quarter included our quarterly dividend and the repurchase of 73,463 shares of common stock for 10 million.
Speaker #2: Gross debt at the end of the quarter was $448 million, up from $399 million at December 31st, due to a $50 million draw on our revolving credit facility.
Speaker #2: Net debt was $311 million, or 1.1 times EBITDA. As a reminder, we typically prioritize repayments of amounts drawn on our credit facility over the short term.
Speaker #2: And with that, let me turn the call back over to George. George, thank you, Mike. We will now take your questions. DeeDee, would you open up the lines, please?
Michael Angerthal: With that, let me turn the call back over to George. George?
Mike Angerthal: With that, let me turn the call back over to George. George?
George Aylward: Thank you, Mike. We will now take your questions. Dee Dee, would you open up the lines, please?
George Aylward: Thank you, Mike. We will now take your questions. Dee Dee, would you open up the lines, please?
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Speaker #2: Thank you. Good morning. I appreciate you taking my questions. First, in the release and also on the call, you called out the 26% increase in sales of equity strategies. Can you dig into that a little further?
Crispin Love: Thank you. Good morning. Appreciate you taking my questions. First in the release and also on the call, you called out the 26% increase in sales of equity strategies. Can you dig into that a little further? Was that partially buying the dip in the quarter, especially the March improvement in flows? Then just any specific areas, value growth, value or growth? I'm just curious if you can detail that a little bit more and if that's continued in April.
Crispin Love: Thank you. Good morning. Appreciate you taking my questions. First in the release and also on the call, you called out the 26% increase in sales of equity strategies. Can you dig into that a little further? Was that partially buying the dip in the quarter, especially the March improvement in flows? Then just any specific areas, value growth, value or growth? I'm just curious if you can detail that a little bit more and if that's continued in April.
Speaker #2: Was that partially buying the dip in the quarter, especially the March improvement in flows? And then, just any specific areas—value or growth?
Speaker #2: Just curious if you can deepel that a little bit more, and if that's continued in April.
Speaker #3: Sure. So again, while we've highlighted the fact that the majority of our equity AUM and strategies do have a quality orientation from the managers that have grown the business over the years, we had other strategies that did not have those same orientations, and many of them were obviously a little smaller and had not previously been areas where we had seen significant growth.
George Aylward: Sure. Again, while we've highlighted the fact that the majority of our equity AUM and strategies do have a quality orientation from the managers that have grown the business over the years, we had other strategies that did not have those same orientations. Many of them were obviously a little smaller and had not previously, you know, been areas where we had seen significant growth. Those have been the strategies that we have continued to focus on and try to find additional opportunities for them.
George Aylward: Sure. Again, while we've highlighted the fact that the majority of our equity AUM and strategies do have a quality orientation from the managers that have grown the business over the years, we had other strategies that did not have those same orientations. Many of them were obviously a little smaller and had not previously, you know, been areas where we had seen significant growth. Those have been the strategies that we have continued to focus on and try to find additional opportunities for them.
Speaker #3: That has those have been the strategies that we have continued to focus on and try to find additional opportunities for them. So we were very pleased that with some of our strategies, which includes some of the high conviction strategies, some of the more style-agnostic strategies, or the other growth strategies, that we've recently made available in SMAs have increased our focus on some of the other wrappers therein and including launching some ETFs recently, you may have noticed, that are not with our quality-oriented strategies.
George Aylward: We were very pleased that with some of our strategies, which include some of the high conviction strategies, some of the more style agnostic strategies, or the other growth strategies that we've recently made available in SMAs, have increased our focus on some of the other wrappers they're in, and including launching some ETFs recently, you may have noticed, that are not with our quality-oriented strategies. Those have been the big drivers of that increase in assets. We hope that that will continue. Again, we still fully believe that the quality orientation strategies will come back into favor as well. Again, we have been focused on those other strategies and capabilities that we've had, which have been smaller, but now they have been growing.
George Aylward: We were very pleased that with some of our strategies, which include some of the high conviction strategies, some of the more style agnostic strategies, or the other growth strategies that we've recently made available in SMAs, have increased our focus on some of the other wrappers they're in, and including launching some ETFs recently, you may have noticed, that are not with our quality-oriented strategies. Those have been the big drivers of that increase in assets. We hope that that will continue. Again, we still fully believe that the quality orientation strategies will come back into favor as well. Again, we have been focused on those other strategies and capabilities that we've had, which have been smaller, but now they have been growing.
Speaker #3: Those have been the big drivers of that increase in assets. We hope that will continue. Again, we still fully believe that the quality orientation strategies will come back into favor as well.
Speaker #3: But again, we have been focused on those other strategies and capabilities that we've had, which have been smaller but now they have been growing in our hope would be to continue to make them available, particularly, again, in the retail separate accounts and very recently now there'll be more available in the ETFs.
George Aylward: You know, our hope would be to continue to make them available, particularly again in the retail separate accounts. Very recently now, there'll be more available in the ETFs. Mike, anything you would add? Other strategies?
George Aylward: You know, our hope would be to continue to make them available, particularly again in the retail separate accounts. Very recently now, there'll be more available in the ETFs. Mike, anything you would add? Other strategies?
Speaker #3: Mike, anything you would add? Other?
Speaker #4: Yeah, I think you hit on the key points. I think we're starting to see contribution on the top line from some of those managers, and they have experienced growth.
Michael Angerthal: Yeah, I think you hit on the key points. I think we're starting to see contribution on the top line from some of those managers. They have experienced growth. Obviously it's been overshadowed by some of the larger managers who have a quality orientation.
Mike Angerthal: Yeah, I think you hit on the key points. I think we're starting to see contribution on the top line from some of those managers. They have experienced growth. Obviously it's been overshadowed by some of the larger managers who have a quality orientation. We're seeing that growth. I think we called it out in the intermediary-sponsored retail separate account platform. As George mentioned, we've seen expanded access at some of our key distribution partners, and that's benefiting the top line. We're pleased to see that.
Speaker #4: Obviously, it's been overshadowed by some of the larger managers who have a quality orientation. But we're seeing that growth. I think we called it out in the intermediary-sponsored retail separate account platform. As George mentioned, we've seen expanded access at some of our key distribution partners, and that's benefiting the top line, so we're pleased to see that.
George Aylward: We're seeing that growth. I think we called it out in the intermediary-sponsored retail separate account platform. As George mentioned, we've seen expanded access at some of our key distribution partners, and that's benefiting the top line. We're pleased to see that.
Speaker #2: Great, thank you, Mike. The second question is on net outflows, and you might have touched on a little bit of the answer just then, but net outflows remain elevated, especially over the last few quarters.
Crispin Love: Great. Thank you. My second question's on net outflows, and you might have hit on a little bit of the answer just then. Net outflows remain elevated, especially so after the last over the last few quarters. Curious on the longer-term trajectory that needs to be done. What needs to be done for that to improve, first on a macro level and then on a micro level? On the micro side, it looks like you're making some progress there on some of those strategies outside of the quality orientation. I'm just trying to get to, okay, how do you get closer or more progress closer to more neutral? I also appreciate the comments on the improvement in March and April, but just thinking more on a longer-term broad basis on flows.
Crispin Love: Great. Thank you. My second question's on net outflows, and you might have hit on a little bit of the answer just then. Net outflows remain elevated, especially so after the last over the last few quarters. Curious on the longer-term trajectory that needs to be done. What needs to be done for that to improve, first on a macro level and then on a micro level? On the micro side, it looks like you're making some progress there on some of those strategies outside of the quality orientation. I'm just trying to get to, okay, how do you get closer or more progress closer to more neutral? I also appreciate the comments on the improvement in March and April, but just thinking more on a longer-term broad basis on flows.
Speaker #2: So, curious on the longer-term trajectory that needs to be done. What needs to be done for that to improve, first on a macro level and then on a micro level?
Speaker #2: On the micro side, it looks like you're making some progress there on some of those strategies outside of the quality orientation. But just trying to get to, okay, how do you get closer, or more progress, closer to more neutral?
Speaker #2: And I appreciate the comments on the improvement in March and April, but just thinking more on a longer-term broad basis on flows.
Speaker #3: Sure. Yeah. And I'll start with just reiterating, again, the largest percentage of the outflows—and again, we highlighted the two specific large mandates that drove that—were in the earlier part of the first quarter and that was March. And then we've also indicated that April has been at a significantly lower level than that level in January or February or the fourth quarter.
George Aylward: Sure, yeah. I'll start with just reiterating again the large percentage of the outflows. Again, we highlighted the 2 specific large mandates that drove that, were in the earlier part of Q1 in that March. We've also indicated that April has been at a significantly lower level than that level in January or February or Q4. We view that as positive. Again, I think there's a couple of factors. You already indicated each of them. For the quality-oriented strategies, again, as the cycle eventually will turn, we see that as a good opportunity.
George Aylward: Sure, yeah. I'll start with just reiterating again the large percentage of the outflows. Again, we highlighted the 2 specific large mandates that drove that, were in the earlier part of Q1 in that March. We've also indicated that April has been at a significantly lower level than that level in January or February or Q4. We view that as positive. Again, I think there's a couple of factors. You already indicated each of them. For the quality-oriented strategies, again, as the cycle eventually will turn, we see that as a good opportunity.
Speaker #3: So we view that as positive. Again, I think there are a couple of factors—you already indicated each of them. So for the quality-oriented strategies, again, as the cycle eventually will turn, we see that as a good opportunity.
Speaker #3: We do actually believe that there are currently certain investors, particularly more of the institutional investors, that are fully cognizant of how out of favor growth equity quality-oriented equity is and are looking hopefully looking at this as the opportunity because inevitably at the turn of the cycle is usually when many managers, including ours, have generated some of their better performance.
George Aylward: We do actually believe that there are currently certain investors, particularly more of the institutional investors, that are fully cognizant of how out of favor growth equity, quality-oriented equity is, and are looking, hopefully looking at this as the opportunity because inevitably at the turn of the cycle is usually when many managers, including ours, have generated some of their better performance. We see that as an opportunity. Separate from that, over the last year, we have spent a considerable amount of time creating wrappers and enhancing our sales efforts on those other strategies from the first question, which is really for those individuals that are not interested in quality orientation, in particular, having more of our style-agnostic, or other growth strategies, or other differentiated strategies. Again, we've started to see some of that traction.
George Aylward: We do actually believe that there are currently certain investors, particularly more of the institutional investors, that are fully cognizant of how out of favor growth equity, quality-oriented equity is, and are looking, hopefully looking at this as the opportunity because inevitably at the turn of the cycle is usually when many managers, including ours, have generated some of their better performance. We see that as an opportunity. Separate from that, over the last year, we have spent a considerable amount of time creating wrappers and enhancing our sales efforts on those other strategies from the first question, which is really for those individuals that are not interested in quality orientation, in particular, having more of our style-agnostic, or other growth strategies, or other differentiated strategies. Again, we've started to see some of that traction.
Speaker #3: So we see that as an opportunity. But separate from that, over the last year, we have spent a considerable amount of time creating wrappers and enhancing our sales efforts on those other strategies from the first question.
Speaker #3: Which is really for those individuals that are not interested in quality orientation in particular, having more of our style-agnostic or other growth strategies or other differentiated strategies and again, we've started to see some of that traction.
George Aylward: It's nice to see those levels of growth. Those managers have compelling investment performance, and we increasingly are making them more and more available. Separate from that, we recently completed the Keystone transaction, and as I indicated in our talking points, our wholesaler force is very excited about offering that very differentiated strategy. I think there's a great opportunity for that to be utilized in different portfolios. We definitely see that as another area of continued opportunity for us to raise additional assets. Again, that would then hopefully complement what will eventually be the return of the higher level of demand for the quality-oriented strategies.
Speaker #3: It's nice to see those levels of growth, those managers have compelling and best performance, and we've increasingly are making them more and more available.
George Aylward: It's nice to see those levels of growth. Those managers have compelling investment performance, and we increasingly are making them more and more available. Separate from that, we recently completed the Keystone transaction, and as I indicated in our talking points, our wholesaler force is very excited about offering that very differentiated strategy. I think there's a great opportunity for that to be utilized in different portfolios. We definitely see that as another area of continued opportunity for us to raise additional assets. Again, that would then hopefully complement what will eventually be the return of the higher level of demand for the quality-oriented strategies.
Speaker #3: Separate from that, we've recently completed the Keystone transaction, and as I indicated in our talking points, our wholesaler force is very excited about offering that very differentiated strategy.
Speaker #3: I think there's a great opportunity for that to be utilized in different portfolios so we definitely see that as another area of continued opportunity for us to raise additional assets and again, that would then hopefully complement what we'll eventually be the return of the higher level of demand for the quality-oriented strategies.
Speaker #3: We do also highlight the closed strategy that we had, because one of the reductions in our flows over the last few quarters since 2024 was just the absence of having sales in that closed strategy.
George Aylward: We do also highlight the closed strategy that we had because, you know, one of the reductions in our flows over the last few quarters since 2024 was just the absence of having sales in that closed strategy. I think we commented that we're pleased to have that strategy because, again, our quality-oriented strategies, you know, and one of those, some of those managers are still some of our best-selling strategies. It's just the outflows are greater than the inflows at this point. We wanna bring in the increase the inflows, and opening that strategy up will be helpful.
George Aylward: We do also highlight the closed strategy that we had because, you know, one of the reductions in our flows over the last few quarters since 2024 was just the absence of having sales in that closed strategy. I think we commented that we're pleased to have that strategy because, again, our quality-oriented strategies, you know, and one of those, some of those managers are still some of our best-selling strategies. It's just the outflows are greater than the inflows at this point. We wanna bring in the increase the inflows, and opening that strategy up will be helpful.
Speaker #3: So I think we commented that we're pleased to have that strategy because, again, our quality-oriented strategies—and some of those managers are still some of our best-selling strategies.
Speaker #3: It's just that the outflows are greater than the inflows at this point. So we want to increase the inflows, and opening that strategy up will be helpful.
Speaker #2: Great. Thank you. Appreciate you taking my questions.
Crispin Love: Great. Thank you. Appreciate you taking my question.
Crispin Love: Great. Thank you. Appreciate you taking my question.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
George Aylward: Thank you.
George Aylward: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And as a reminder, if you have a question, please press star 1-1. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Aylward.
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Speaker #3: Okay. Well, thank you very much, and I want to thank everyone today for joining us. Obviously, certainly encourage you to reach out if you have any other further questions and have a great day.
George Aylward: Okay. Well, thank you very much. I wanna thank everyone today for joining us. Obviously, certainly encourage you to reach out if you have any other further questions. Have a great day. Thank you very much.
George Aylward: Okay. Well, thank you very much. I wanna thank everyone today for joining us. Obviously, certainly encourage you to reach out if you have any other further questions. Have a great day. Thank you very much.
Speaker #3: Thank you very much.
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